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today Vicky Guerrero and I'm not even doing her name Justice when I say her
name. Whenever she says her name, I'm like, fuck, am I
saying it wrong? She pronounced that Guerrero elegantly. Only a Guerrero can do
that name. Justice. And when this batch started, I had Chavo Guerrero
on the show to promote me being on The Young Rock. Chavo Guerrero was
the stunt coordinator on The Young Rock. The Young Rock just had its season
two finale. Check it out on Hulu or Peacock my episode season two,
episode eight titled Corpus Christie it will live there forever, and cross your fingers
that maybe we can sneak on a season three season three. They just granted
season three, so it will be happening. Maybe let the people know it.
The young rock that you want to see the Brooklyn Brawler in season three,
I know, I do. Oh head over to Australia again for seven
weeks. What a life. So fun, So fun to have Vicky Guerrero
on the show. Vicki the mouthpiece, the manager for Nyla Rose. These
two are perfect for each other. So fun to see them backstage being friends.
So fun to see them backstage being friends, making a connection. And
Vicky has made a connection with a lot of people over the years through wrestling.
Obviously Eddie and the Guerrero family, obviously a lot of the wrestlers in
WWE and now AW but also the fans. She's a very true person.
I've gotten to know Vicky, and I'm so happy that I've gotten to know
Vicki. I think it's made me a better person. And I'm happy that
she has come on the show today and she gets to tell her story She's
got a podcast, the Excuse Me Podcast, and Vicky's been a guest on
many podcasts before. But I like the way that my dumb brain works and
that I see a story in my head, and so for me, it's
fun to go through the story of these wrestling personalities and to ask the questions
that come into my brain on the spot. There's never any notes. I
do some research, but not not too much crazy research. I just it's
almost a form of improv comedy. Like I listen, I wonder to myself,
what are the things that I'm thinking and wondering, And then because I
have a platform in a podcast, I get to say them, I get
to ask them, and they get to be part of the conversation that I
have with my guests. So very fun for Vicky. Check out podcast Rick
Flair. Rick Flair is the first episode of season three. Yes, Rick
Flair owes Kerry Silkin a lot of money. He will never pay him for
that. It does make me upset, but I do understand he's in the
zeitgeist of professional wrestling and people like listening to him. He's got a lot
of weird things and fun things to say, and I'm sure Vicky and him
have a really fun convo. But this isn't about Vicky and Rick. This
is about me and Vicky. So we're gonna get to that in a bit.
As for me, for years, you sat here and you would hear
about my past weekends, and I would talk about all of the wrestling that
I'm doing and my experiences and my matches and the places that I traveled.
And as I say that, that's kind of all starting to slow down.
As I had a birthday, I've hit forty two years old. But this
weekend I was in both Hazelton, Pennsylvania, and Atlanta, Georgia, and
then I flew to Los Angeles, not for wrestling. I sadly my uncle
passed away, which makes you also do a lot of thinking. But as
I say to myself, it's time to slow down a little bit, save
your body. You're not getting any younger. The calls keep coming, and
I still enjoy going and doing wrestling. So I had a real fun experience
this weekend. Jonathan Gresham is helping start a movement and basically British wrestling coming
to this American scene. And you know, twelve years ago, there wasn't
a thing called Fight TV or IWTV or High Spots TV, and those are
part of the wrestling scene now and they're popular, especially Fight TV. Michael
Webber did such a great job in building Fight TV. I was there at
Ring of Honor when you could tell he was onto something. It was trying
to make it happen, and now I'd like to think it's happened. And
so a group like Modern Age Grappling or Terminus that Gresham is helping run has
this kind of platform to put wrestling on and so I was proud to be
part of that experience on Sunday. And I'm going to go back there at
the end of the month on June thirtieth, and I'm going to keep myself
in the wrestling world, including aw still signed, still there. I'm like
Dennis Stamp just waiting for the call. But until then, I will continue
a positive forward push with whatever I'm doing, and that of course includes this
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Oh this is great. Yeah, did you ever go look at Baker Banner?
That was my first question. No, honestly no, And I have
to it's actually all my things to do list, because I have a list
of a whole bunch of shit that I got do during the road and I
haven't got to any of it. You seemed when so I just did your
podcast and this will come out a little later than when I was recorded,
but for the sake of now as in real time as we're talking, and
you seem so excited to um to look at to do some research about this
this boy with down syndrome, who was so as he's a man to be
honest. Oh really, yeah, it was so excited to say, excuse
me over and over again with you. Oh, I'm gonna just harass him
my fault. I mean, I'm gonna follow him and harass him every day
and I should make his day. Yes, I think you should excuse me
bomb him in your DMS and oh yeah, it's his life will be a
tortures from now on. Good good. And with that, I've noticed,
so I've noticed that you have like really taken on the internet world, if
that makes sense. What's were not encouraged? Um, you've dove right in,
like you're you're into it. Yeah, Well, you know, I
learned like through the last three years that when I was depending on other people
to get projects done for me, they weren't following through. And I was
so upset and angry, and I was just like the only wanted to be
mad at myself because I should be overseeing all that, because I put too
much trust in other people. So I just took on the whole job of
hustling, you know, and putting my content out there and making videos and
I mean not sleep much, but I get the job done. You said,
you said these projects, So like I think that was kind of my
where my brain is going, is you wanted to dive into these things I
do. I love it, really, I mean, you know and why
and how and well I guess, okay, So I having news like I
guess a mentor because you you have a trailblazed reputation of your podcast that if
I don't work my brand, you know, with my audience out there,
then no one's going to hear from me. So I saw the importance of
how social media is free, you know, and I keeps it to my
advantage. And I've noticed that, you know, when you post and you
have content and you're interactive with the fans, it kind of spreads the word.
And when I don't, it's very quiet in social media. So um,
but I love I love giving my fans what they want, you know,
like if there's a funny thing I do at home, or you like
my TikTok videos or my Twitch. I have a lot of fun doing that.
It's just trying. Like I told you when you were on my show
that it's hard to manage your time, especially without a travel schedule, and
it's kind of a difficult thing sometimes because when we're on the road, we
just want to seepen, you know, because we got back in a room
like you're twelve or one. But I like it a lot, especially bringing
guests to my audience on the podcast. When the fans said, well,
I really love that you know guests, I didn't know that about him or
her. It made me feel good because they get to know something personal about
our wrestling industry. You said it gets really quiet, which I found very
interesting that statement, because it's true right, It's so true, like if
I'm not onto TV or whatever and I don't post anything, you know,
But on the flip side, like you know, social media could be so
dangerous and when it comes, it comes, and when it comes negative or
like we freak out. Is there? Yeah? Have you had that balance
in your head of discussion? Yeah, because I mean, of course,
naturally we look at our likes and our followers, because that's you know that
you're doing a good job when you have that number increase. I've learned the
hard way that when I've expressed my political views or made a comment about somebody
that's going on in the world, the fans can either love you or hate
you. And I it's kind of a sad situation because of who we are.
We're kind of silenced by what we feel and think, and it's kind
of discouraging to me. But I've learned to just kind of go around that
and just focus on the entertainment side. You know, what my character's doing.
You know, if I'm on like you said, if I'm on Dynamite,
which is very you know, far in between, or with Dark you
know, I try and take advantage of those moments and bring my audience,
you know, to know that something good happened, you know, with my
work. But uh yeah, the fans or they can love us or hate
us, and when they when they hate us, it's a long day because
you're trying to um, trying to like reprove yourself again, like hey,
I'm not such a bad person. I just have an opinion like you do,
you know. But and when it's a great day, you get all
the likes and there's followers, You're like, well that was a nice day.
I can go to bed now. Um, Okay. So I was
really curious because when I was thinking, like, oh, I'm glad to
have Vicki on and right, like and you admit, you tell me this
if this is true or not, I'm sure with that territory comes like Eddie
questions, right, And I was kind of curious, not necessarily answers,
but like your anxiety of like going into something like this, like do I
have to talk about this? Does it bring up like emotions? Like do
those emotions come up for you? No? I mean I always you know,
Eddie's always going to be part of my past, you know, and
part of my life because without his legacy and me being able to perform with
him in WWE. I didn't have that. I wouldn't have had that start
without him. And so to have been married to him and have my family
with him and the girls, and how that legacy follow me with a get
Attle name, I'm very fortunate because then I don't take that lightly and I
am very humbled about it. So when the fans want to talk about that,
I feel good about it. Yeah so, but you know when people
can you know, put a negative twist on it, you know, or
you know, I can't believe that they just gave you a job, you
know at w B because you were Eddie's wife. I had to prove myself
and a lot of fans don't see that if I was, if I was
a shit, they were gonna, you know, Vincent man, I would
have said, you know, thank you very much. You know, you
need to go home now. You know. That was the reality. But
I did love the industry and I loved the performance side of it, and
it was a family, you know. So I was working with all my
friends, so I wasn't really nervous or anything. I just wanted to make
them proud as well and show them that I was going to give one hundred
percent in whatever I was doing, whether it was a food fight or making
out a guy, or firing or firing someone. I was having a great
time, right right. But the mentality of here we are twenty years later
about that relationship or whatever, just going into these kind of things, it's
all you know, that doesn't weigh on you, right. I think what
weighs on me, coult is that I'm remarried now. You know, I
got married, you know, twelve years after Eddie passed. And my husband
is not a wrestling fan, you know, he has his own life.
And but the fans can be really cruel when I post something about us,
and they have to understand that I'm not forgetting Eddie and I'm not not loving
him. I just I still have a life to live, and I still
have so much in me that I want to share with someone because I'm want
to be by myself. You know, my kids are out of the house,
and I don't want to be like in this you know house, there's
no one around me. And I found a man that loves me, and
he loves what I do, and he's trying to learn about the industry.
And I have to have a lot of patience with him, you know,
when he asked questions about this or that. But um, yeah, I
think that's the worst part is when fans want to attack, you know,
my current husband, when he's just the innocent one. Yes, I don't
want to like encourage it, like does he he doesn't? Does he have
so? Does he? I don't want to say does he have social media?
But like he does? Oh and do they do that on that?
Huh? Yes, they bullied him a little bit, you know, but
he's you know, he's a mature man, like he has his own career,
you know. And it's really great because when we're home, it's just
Vicky and Chris, you know, it's just us, and he really tries
to separate that because he knows I come from the road kind of burned out,
you know, becomes stress and tired. So we have a boat,
we like to go fishing, and we like to work on our farms.
So it's it's really a cool thing that he kind of knows how to shut
it off and just focus on us. But it's really hard when the fans
are just like you, you're not Eddie Guerrero. Well, and he just
hees what do I say to this, like can I say what I feel?
And I'm like no, just don't give it power, don't give it
thought. Now, he's good at it. He's just deletes, right or
mutes are blocks, yeah, which which I've learned to do. And that's
a lot about there's two different I mean, we've learned in wrestling, there's
two different people who can handle social media, and luckily he's one of the
Yeah, but you know, blocking gives them power. I mean I only
mute now, Yeah, I don't block. Yeah, that's true, only
mute. I don't want them to have that power. They can talk all
the shit they want and I will never see it. But it's hard,
it's it's hard. I mean I'm still I have a heart. Like the
bean person was attacking me. Yeah, I just I want to tell them
off. I want to give them a whole paragraph of what it's like a
true villainous Yeah that he comes out exactly. But yeah, I've learned to
just kind of just delete it or just you know, leave it alone.
Hey, the shows are ad free over on Patreon. Let's take a quick
ad break. We'll be right back. Okay, you made a statement that
just like whenever I hear it, it just hits this thing in my mind,
which is like, we come from all different places and we're all different
people. And you said we I work on my farm, which you know,
I'm like a city Chicago boy. So it's so crazy when we just
talk with different wrestlers and they have different, completely different lives than all of
us. Yeah, you have a farm. Yeah, we moved into the
country. I live in Houston, so we moved about an hour two hours
out and we've always wanted that, you know, that was something. We're
close to the water, so we can be in our boat weekends, and
we're just really simple. You know. I love to put a thermis of
a beer and we go on the boat and fish and just cruise the bay
and um, and I love the quiet time. You know that. I
have three acres and we're building a chicken coop and getting a duck pond,
and I have two dogs and I want five more, and I just I
love it. And all the snakes, I don't welcome them, but I'm
really good at killing them. Now a big hole just right down the middle.
Does Jake give you any advice? No, he didn't like snakes.
You know that, right, I don't know. I mean he used it.
He used a gimmick because it made him money. But he said he
couldn't stand the snakes. But I hate snakes, Like I don't know why
God in his loving heart made such a horrible creature, because I mean,
we have coral snakes around our house. We have rattle snakes and even like
good snakes that we're supposed to keep around. And my neighbors are like you
sho identify by them before you kill him, Like like, hell I am,
I'm gonna, you know, see if this one snake is gonna be
good or bad. I have dogs and Lasianne wanted them is to be in
my house, right, Yeah? They could be what people have snakes as
pets. Yeah, I don't know, all right, yeah, okay did
you so? Okay, so let's talk about uh childhood growing up? Um
did you grow up? You had told me you were Mexican. Yes,
I am Mexican cult No, my mom's French and my dad was Mexican French.
Yes yeah, oh wow. Yeah? And where did you grow up?
And I'll passo Texas Okay. Um, I was in the city.
We were very much city kids. Um. Adaml Passo, Texas. Did
your dad come over from Mexico? Um, his family did, so he
was born here. So, um, my mom and dad men in high
school and they didn't stay married very long, but through various step parents and
the changing of parents, I have five younger brothers. And so I was
the only girl. And I was into cheerleading and dance and I was a
percussionist in the college band in high school. And um, I had a
pretty great life. You know, cushionist in the college band in high school.
Yeah, in high school. Yeah, a drum line, A drummer,
yeah, I sure was. Yeah, a xylophone. That was the
only instrument in band that interests me because there was cute guys. Okay.
I was all about the football players and the band, and I was good.
I was a flag girl, like anything that was fun to do and
entertainment. I love to perform. So getting into the wrestling world, it
was They're like, oh my god, how are you going to do this?
And I'm like, it's it's fine. You've never seen me drum line,
So oh so did you were you moving around a lodder? Because it's
interest your your parents did they have they have you in high school. Yes,
they did. My mom was really young, but you know she uh,
she had a lot of kids, and so she divorced and then remarried,
and my dad remarried and had kids and we stayed in all Passo for
all my childhood. So I went to Clinton High School and it was a
very small class of like sixty two, and it was it was great.
You know, everyone knew everyone, and I loved my childhood. My stepdad,
John's one who really raised me, and he was just great. He
encouraged me to go to college and do good and stay away from the cops.
And you know, if you get in trouble, I'll be there,
you know. So that was good or bad sometimes. And there's a lot
of kids. Like was it just kids running around at all time? Yeah,
you know back then, you know, it's gonna be funny. We
didn't have cell phones. You know, I'm fifty three, you know,
I graduated eighty six, So there was no cell phones. You know,
when the street lights came on, that's when you came in. You knew
where my brothers were because their bikes were in front of their friends houses.
We didn't lock our doors. I mean the neighbors sat out at night and
my parents would drink with the other neighbors and we'd have fireworks in our cul
de sack. Really good childhood, you know. I mean I didn't get
into the back crowd. You know, my brothers did, so I was
the good child. And so my brother's always resented me. Well, my
younger brother, I'm really close with him. He's a year younger, and
he got in trouble and my dad John loved me because I was the only
girl. So I got away with everything that I could, and so there
was always that battle of the siblings. And no farming, No, no,
why why am I stuck on farming? I just I love to rescue
dogs, and I just we have the property now, and my neighbors have
cows and horses and goats, and I'm not too advanced in that whole area
of like big animals. So I'm like, I'll I'll keep it small and
chickens and goats and you know, maybe a goat, but ducks and dogs
I can handle. Did you grow up with animals? Yeah, we had
a lot of dogs and cats, and uh, we actually raised chickens at
one point, but my dad gave him away to our FA team in high
school, so it was in My friends had grew cotton and they picked the
con on weekends and they had the big tractors. So I always had agriculture
around me and I like to help out, so it always stayed in my
blood. And where do you go to college? You tip? Oh?
Nice? Yeah? I went there for a year and then found the union,
and I thought it was so great that could be on a scholarship and
party every day until I got kicked out because I wasn't going to class.
What's the union? It's where everyone met where. Yeah, that's where you
know, the pool tables in the bar. I'm like, wow, school
is so much fun. And I learned the hard way that you know,
I lost my scholarship. But then after Eddie passed, I went back to
college and got my bachelor's degree in medical administration. So what had you been
going for a first? Just business? It was just you know, you
didn't know what you're going to do, so you always take the business route.
And so I assume people that always go back like hadn't weight on you
your whole life. It did, Yeah, it did. Because when Eddie
and I were having our girls It was agreed that I would stay home while
Eddie toured, and I was okay with that because I saw how long he
was going to be on the road, and I didn't want someone else raising
my kids. You know, that was important to me that I was going
to be home and be there for them while Eddie was touring, and then
when he would come home. You know, then I made I made the
home ready, you know, that we could all spend time together, and
everything was right for Eddie to enjoy the girls, you know, whether school
events or something I planned. It was a planner to get him to make
all the events. I thought you were going to say, I wanted our
kids to go to college. I tried, so I wanted to leave by
example. I well, you know, I wish they would have. I
mean I did ask them to go, but you know, out at the
same time, I told them, you know, if you're going to waste
your money, then don't go because you were oh, I mean, it
was expensive and they both you know, they're smart girls. But even college.
You know, I think at that time, when I was young,
I wasn't ready for it. You know, the discipline of studying and doing
papers and being in class. I was interested in make money, you know,
and having a job and paying for my car, and that's what I
like to do. And then I was a dancer for a minor baseball team
in al Paso, so that's where Eddie would go and watch me all the
time. And then I was getting ready to trial for the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders.
And two weeks earlier, I was getting ready to get the road trip
and go to Dallas and I found out I was pregnant by Eddie. Oh
yeah, so I was like, dude, you're gonna love me now?
Is there any resentment? And you're heard for that looking kind of looking back
after all of these yeah, I mean you know that. I mean,
you know, I talked to Rebel all the time. I had her on
my show, and she was a Dallas Calboy cheerleader and I've always I've loved
that group. Dallas Cowboys is my team, you know, so when I
see them, you know, I would have been great. But I got
two beautiful kids out of it and a family and traveled the world and lived
this life. Yeah, so the good you know, it wasn't really a
bad thing, but you know, life was great to me after that,
so it was all good. I know this story, this has probably been
told on a million podcasts, but you how did you guys meet? I
don't know, we've been on a blind date, okay. Yeah. I
was such a bit when I you know, when I was dating in high
school or it was after high school, okay, yeah, I was graduate
eighty six. My best friend knew Eddie's best friend, and they're like,
hey, you know, we want to get y'all together and see if y'all
would you know, want a date or just meet. And I was like,
oh my gosh, if he's gonna be like a drag or anything like,
just we'll meet and then if it's if he's bad, then we'll just
bounce and go to another club, you know. And so we got together,
and of course Eddie was late like two hours, and I was already
dancing. Yeah, Mexican time, literally Mexican time, and I think I
was already dancing with other guys. I was like, I'm not waiting around
for him, you know. And I we couldn't drink back then. We're
still under age, so you know, all we want to do is me
and my girlfriend's go go dance and Eddie showed up, and my girlfriend Tina,
she was just like, oh, what do you think, like just
kind of gave me his eyes, and I'm like, I thought he was
the most beautiful man that was walked the earth. Because when I was in
high school, we were in the kind of a country atmosphere. So the
guys were very clean shaven, short haircuts, you know, off the collar.
Um had had their button up shirt, you know, very strict dress
code. And when Eddie walked in, his hair was like passed his shoulders.
And he had muscles like my friends never had muscles. I didn't know
what they were. And he had like the tightest jeans and cowboy boots and
I was like, oh my god, Like he's gorgeous. Yeah he was.
Yeah, and so he said and he was he was going to,
uh, I'm gonna go walk around the club and I'm like fine, whatever,
and um he came back around and goes, okay, can we dance?
And we dance? And I were is that, like I'm gonna see,
like okay, he was out. He was sculping out the club.
You can't can't work a worker, yeah, you know, but he was
just actually said he was nervous he didn't know like where to start or to
ask me to, you know, dance or just start talking. Of course,
you can't talk in a club because it's so loud, you know.
But we danced and I broke her for you that night because I was supposed
to be home by like two o'clock. Lights on the street came out,
yeah and me and we sat in the parking lot to like maybe four or
four thirty in the morning, talking and just fell in love with him.
So funny story. When I got home, I was panicking because I was
like, oh my god, my car's gonna be taken away. I'm gonna
I'm gonna be in so much trouble. Well, when I went to bed,
no one was up, so I parked my car like kind of off
from the house. I could just walk to the house. And next morning
they're like, hey, you know, what time do you get home?
And I was like, I had to be honest because it was gonna come
out sooner or later. I'm like, you know, I was late.
Well, my mom started asking me, well, who would you mean.
I said, I met this great guy. He's so cute, Mom,
Like he had muscles, like the best muscles ever. In the long hair,
like, I'm just in love with him, and she goes, well,
what's his name? And I said that's something guerrero and he's like a
wrestler and I was like, and I can't stand wrestling, but he was
really cute. And she was, well, I know the Guerreros from Alpaso,
right, And I was like, yeah, I guess his family's in
wrestling or something. She goes, your grandfather used to make his dad's wrestling
robe and boots, and you and Eddie's playing the playpen when when we would
have him, you know, their babysitting in the kids. So Eddie's dad
brought him to be in the playpan while my grandfather was fitting him for robes
and trying on his boots. That's amazing. So it's just been a funny
story that how my friends thought that they were doing a blind dape and reality
we already met. It was a second plan. Yeah, yeah, really
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said you didn't like wrestling. I guess that's the question, right. Yeah.
I hated it, well because you know it was part of the culture
there, right, yeah, oh absolutely, but you know what Household of
Brothers. Wrestling was on all the time, and I'd be, oh my
god, can we watch something else? You know, I want wanted to
watch figure skating or cheerlean or whatever. But if it's on all the time,
it never was just like fine, I just want to watch the TV.
It's just a guy sport. That was just ridiculous, like didn't interest
me, okay, And then um we dated for three years and going to
the matches and being around Eddie's mom. Tell me about the first the first
time you go to a match. I don't know what the hell was going
on. Where it was at the Colosseum. His dad promoted Gory Guerrero promoted
in Alpasso, okay, and his dad brought all the wrestlers in the Von
Eric's um. He brought in Roddy Piper like it was huge, which is
better than going to one word. There's sixty people. Yea really yeah.
And his whole family, like his sister, took tickets. His mom was
in the concession. It was a very big business for the family. And
you went with him or went with some girlfriends. No, I went with
him. We brought one of my brothers with us, and so I can
have someone to sit with. Cosettie was in the back and Eddie was very
protective of the business, which I now I respect that because he was didn't
want to give me all the secrets of what was going on. But I
didn't. I didn't understand why. You know, I knew there was a
winner and a loser, but I didn't understand all the theatrics, and you
know, I thought the moves were really cool and stuff, but I had
a lot of questions. I don't understand what the purpose of this is except
that there's a winner and a loser. And there was like guys in cute
shorts, and I knew the von Eicks, so to see the von Ers
went oh my god, like they're so you know, they're they're so great
and I know who they are. But then I thought, well, I
mean, are they are? They give me worth you know, having a
crush on But you know, it was just funny because I meet them and
I'm like, oh, it's nice to meet you. But then Rye Piper
and you know, these other wrestlers, I'm like, oh, hi,
now, I'm like, what a fool you are, because these were legends.
You know. I was just like the girlfriend. There's just like being
there with Eddie just to hold his hand. Yeah, And was he a
star that day or was he? No? He worked, Um, he
worked the back, you know, he was helping his dad. No,
he was in the back, you know, um, probably in guerrilla,
getting the guys ready town and when they're up and he set up the ring,
broke it down, you know, helped his dad with whatever was going
on. I think he would want to take you to the one he was
wrestling at right. Well, eventually he was starting to wrestle in what is
which is like across the border from a Passo and um, and so going
to those matches were crazy. I mean, just an atmosphere of you know,
of course he had a following because he was a good at all and
meeting all the wrestlers there, and I was going every Thursday or Sunday,
and so I was getting very familiar with who the wrestlers were, and um,
watching Eddie you know, prepare and he'd work out and you know,
we'd drive over there, and then I started kind of asking more questions,
like well, how's this guy bleeding all of a sudden, like, you
know, how how is you know this guy so sweet bay stage? But
then he's such an asshole in the ring, you know. And he was
just like in time, you will know. That's all he would tell me
because he didn't want us to break up. And then I was going to
go and tell everything. I know. Yeah, and what was your like
did you make I guess what was your position at the wrestling shows? Was
it? Did you make some friends with some other girlfriends or no? If
anything? Eddie's mom taught me everything that I know today. You sat with
her a lot many times because Eddie would train in the backyard. They had
a wrestling ring, and his dad, when he was alive, would sit
on the lawn chair and train Eddie and his friends for hours and hours.
I mean, his dad put them through a whole training regime. What was
he like casually sitting back in a launch chair in the shape in the shape
and they were in the sun working out. I mean they worked out for
a long time. But they had a table in the living room that looked
down to the ring, and I would sit there and and his mom had
very frank conversations with me about what it's going to be like to see Eddie
and what is because I hadn't gone yet, and she's like, I want
to prepare you. You know. There's gonna be women they're gonna want to
be with Eddie. There's gonna be women that are gonna hang out by his
car when he gets back to his car. There's gonna be people that don't
like you because you walk in with Eddie. And then you're gonna meet some
great people in the wrestling industry. And when I got pregnant, she already
knew, like because she were really close. So when we were hanging out,
she was like, are you okay? You know? And I was
like, yeah, why you know? And then I think, like a
few weeks later I found out that I was pregnant. She's like, I
knew you're pregnant, you know. And she goes, and now we're gonna
have a very serious conversation. And she was a good Christian lady, and
you know, and she just very frank with me. She goes, I
wish I had someone to help me when I was you know, your age,
And she told me all the pros and cons of being a wrestling wife
and being a girlfriend. And now you have a baby that you're gonna bring
into this world that's gonna not gonna be very friendly to you. You're going
to be raising the baby all by yourself. Eddie maybe with you, but
he's never gonna be home because he's on the road. Is that the first
time you had you heard that or had that realization? No, that was
she made me. Really, she was the one who made me realize what
I was getting into. And she's like, you can either have this baby
and not be with Eddie and not have the stress of him never being home,
or you're gonna love him so much that you're willing to accept all the
bad for the love that you have for him. And did you did you
go home to your family, like did you take time to like think of
about that or um? I mean, of course it was in my mind.
But I was in love with Eddie, you know, I mean we
dated for almost three and a half years. He was my everything. And
you know what's funny is that he would the girls were always at his house,
Like on the door they had wrought iron because his mom had to have
wrought iron because the fans would trying always you know, iron like rot iron
fans around on their house. Yeah, I'll passo because we have gags.
You had wrought iron because it would protect your front door. No one could
get into your windows or break in, like bars on the windows. So
you know, sometimes Eddie and I would come home and there'd be a girl
like ringing the doorbell, and he'd be like, oh, hey, so
and so he had a lot of girlfriends, let me tell you, Like
he was a jiggalow, you know. And of course it stopped when we
were dating, but you know, girls still they knew where we lived,
you know, And so I knew kind of what she was telling me.
You know, I need to prepare if I'm gonna love Eddie, it's gonna
be for everything that this restling life is going to bring me. And there
were some really hard times, you know, but I always had her to
go to and talk to. And she was like, you know, the
wife is going to be the single parent and she's gonna make all the decisions
and you're gonna run the whole house while you know, Eddie's on the road.
And I thought, wow, that's really cool, Like I'm gonna have
control of everything and having kids and being alone. It was a really hard
life. It was also good too, and we had provided a living for
us, and I mean that's a full time job obviously. Yeah, it
was what sucked, is it? You know Eddie would call and he'd be
like him and die malinko and you know Cris ban Wana. They would be
like a dinner and they went to some fancy restaurant they had like a car
service and he's like, what are you doing. Well, Shaw's throwing up
right now and Sharon has the shits of diarrhea. So I'm cleaning that up
and I have to change sheets and he's like, okay, well I'll touch
you, like yeah, so but he was good about it. You know,
do you have like in those moments thinking back while that's I know it's
like a big long time, but do you have like moments of remembering like
there, I want not I want to do something else, but like I
know, there's I don't know that Dallas, you know it was there those
times, or the Dallas Cowboy cheerleader or drumming, or even starting a small
business or like not doing a podcast, but whatever the equivalent of was back
then. I mean, I think in the moment when I was married,
and you know, we went through a lot of hard times with Eddie's addictions
and alcoholism. Um, there were times that I did wish that I didn't
have this life because it was hard and I was handling a lot of things
on my own. But if the whole big picture, I loved wrestling.
That was my That was a big love for me because I learned to respect
it and it was a way that it supported our family. And Eddie was
very good at it, so to see how when he would perform, I
was very proud of him and I love to watch him, and you know,
and it was a great life. But yeah, there's always that,
you know, like when you're home for like two weeks and Eddie's and you
know, overseas and you can't talk to him because we didn't have cell phones
and stuff. Then you couldn't talk to him until he reached a hotel that
you had a landline. Um. Yeah, you know, I didn't have
a lot of friends because they didn't understand our schedule or our life. And
my friends, you know, had different lives. They were single and you
know, did their own things. So and I had kids already, So
yeah, there is a difference of you know, living and lifestyles. But
I don't regret because I was a good mom. I you know, I
took care of them and they were healthy and they were very active in school.
So I was proud that I could be there for everything. The shows
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and we'll be right back. So you had said that you were on
TV with I don't know the storylines exactly. Yeah, it was the dominant
child custody case Eddie against Ray at WWE, and so that was in two
thousand started in two thousand and four, and then they kind of worked it
a little bit and then started getting bigger and bigger, and then of course
Vince, you know, it was bringing the kids in and the wives and
let's make this real shit over here, you know. And that was your
first was that your first time doing anything? Very first time, and that
was very I don't I didn't like to be in front of the camera because
that's not what I ever did you know professionally was what you knew? Yeah,
and you know, and Eddie was just like, we just want you
to have just a small cam backstage. I'm going to yell at you whatever
the thing was and was scary as it. You know. They would say,
Okay, we need the girls to cry at this queue, you know,
and I was like, well, that's not going to happen. Like
they can't. That's too much pressure. Man. My girls were like pros.
They're like just start crying. I'm like, oh my god, who
are you Were they excited to do that at the time. Oh, they
loved it. They loved and they paid them, you know, so they
thought they're already making living. Yeah, but um, well were they Well
I guess they were probably running around backstage in general before that, right,
Yeah. All the kids back there, you know at that age, you
know, like Dominic and my girls and all the other rests who lost kids
were do they make Chris ben Wat's kids were there, you know. So
I mean it's like this club they had and we really never took care of
them. Backstage. They had their whole they had their own little click and
they kind of went off and did their own thing, and um it would
see them like in the corridors, you know, running around and people would
give them like popcorn from the concession stand, and so they really had a
good a good time backstage. But when they we started bringing in Dominic,
you know, he had the main part of the storyline and he was just
a natural. Really he did a good job. But then we had Angie
who was raised wife and we had raised other daughter, and you know,
we just kind of went blindfolded into it. And um, but I loved
it too. Did you feel any any pressure? Yeah, because if I
did something wrong, I had to go home with Eddie and like hear it,
because Eddie is such a perfectionist. You know, I told myself,
I don't want this to be in the way of our marriage because I don't
need this stress. Like if you want to find someone else to play your
wife or do that, you know, I'm okay with that. And um,
you know, because Eddie had a lot of you know, other storylines
with other women, so that was very like, it's just another storyline to
me, because no, it wouldn't be realness. They actually see you,
you know with the child custody case. And um, I said okay,
And I loved it. I mean, they gave me, you know,
lines to memorize and I was, you know, the camera went on,
I was, I was good at it, you know, I wasn't nervous.
They weren't nervous. Yeah, I wasn't, you know, I just
in the leading up to it, Yeah, I mean, it's just,
you know, Eddie was there. We all joke. You know. They
made me feel very comfortable. I knew Vince really well, so they kind
of just you know, we kind of knew what was going on. Of
course, now going live for the pay per view itself, you know,
and then having to go out there and run out to throw Eddie off the
ladder and running out there, it wasn't just walking. That was very overwhelming
to me. That was I was like, I'm going to trip over my
heels and get get in the ring, and I had like so many seconds
to get to the ladder to stop Eddie. That was very I don't think
I slept a few nights before that. But it worked out great, you
know, and everyone was just having a good time, so it was good.
And then so the transition to then Eddie's past, can you kind of
tell me that story? Yeah, Yeah, Eddie passed in two thousand and
five in November, and so I inducted him to the Hall of Fame in
two thousand and six, and uh, I did that, and time kind
of went by with maybe like six or seven months and then uh, Johnny's
called. You know, hey kid, you know how they going look like
you have an impression of Johnny? How can you not? I know,
of course obvious and um he was you know, checking, He always checked
on us and hey, you want to come out and like do some you
know work for us, you know, for the shows and just a little
bit you know here and there. So I mean, but who's Uh is
that just a random call from Johnny A's or do you think like looking back,
do you think they were brewing it around or had you said, hey,
I'm kinda like I don't know what to do with my life or anything
or um, it wasn't ever spoken like what am I gonna do? Um?
You know, we were we were taking care of by Wiebe and you
know, he took care of the kids. You know, that was the
main thing. You know, set up a college fund and that was really
helpful. Um, you know, we were we were okay, you know
where I didn't need to look for a job, you know, and I
was going to go back to school, you know, that was one of
my plans. But I'm sure It was a conversation because they want to keep
Eddie the storyline a little bit longer because with this passing, of course,
that would bring some more viewers. You know, it's all about the ratings,
and you bring Eddie's name and the ratings shot up, you know,
so many points or whatever it was. And they said, just come to
the you know, come to the shows maybe for two months. Let's work
with you know, Jericho and you know ben Wa Batista, and let's do
some stuff just to you know, keep Eddie's legacy going. And with you
being there, I'll make it really personal and we know you can memorize lines,
and you know, you were really great with the camera, so let's
try it. I said, you know, so, I said, two
months. That's good. Yeah. I mean my question is like it's just
like Twitter, right, like we can look at that both ways, right,
Like we can look at that like oh, they're using Eddie's name,
but you can also look like fuck like when you say it like that,
like let's keep his legacy alive. That's how that works. Yeah, that's
how it was. But the bash and I got on social media and people
talking to me walking into the arena. They were so cruel to me because,
oh, you're only there because you're Eddie's wife. Yes, I was
Eddie's wife, and you know they're using me. But at the same time,
you know, I could earn a paycheck to support myself and the girls,
and so it was a very you know, it was a lot of
like up and down for me because I didn't want to insult the industry because
I love the wrestling industry and I didn't want to bring any disrespect to it.
But if I was able to do this job and they were happy with
it and every and everything was going away as planned, then damn, I'm
going to do this, you know. And I liked it. But it
was only for two months, you know, because I had the girls at
home, so I had family watched the girls. I was traveling once a
week, and things started really getting good, you know, where they were
talking about you know, being a manager or you could you know, go
with edge And when things started taking off where they were using me anymore,
and I was on TV all the time and Vince was like, can we
try this with you? You know, you want to do this, and
it just took off and I was loving it, and they're like are you
okay? And I'm like, yeah, it's good. You know, two
months will be over in no time. Well, then I was offered a
contract let's try a year, and then Edge came into the picture, and
then I was doing you know, the manager stuff for Ron SmackDown, and
I was like a little kid. I was like, oh my gosh,
I'm actually doing this. So I loved it. Do you remember a time
when you were when it clicked, Like when you're like when it clicked,
I don't know when you're like, oh fuck, I am good at this.
Um, I don't think. I think I was so worried about what
I had to do each night that I wasn't enjoying the journey. It's probably
maybe like five years. Five years. Yeah, that was like, oh
maybe three months or three who weeks? Well, because you know, I
wasn't asked to do access either with WWE, or I wasn't involved in a
lot of the main like WrestleMania moments and stuff. It was still the guys
that were doing it. But when they started using me in fans or she's
saying, oh my god, I love your character, like you're such a
bitch, you know, like you're irritating me with your excuse me, you
know, and all it just started. I started accepting that I do have
a place here and I love it and I'm going to do my best at
it. So it took a long time for me to realize for me that
you know, I was doing a good a good thing, and excuse me
came from real life. I can only assume, Oh yeah, I forgot
a promo one night, I actually forgot my lines. Vince changed my promo
like three or four times, maybe five, within like forty five minutes going
live, and I was in a wheelchair. I was doing the gimmick of
the wheelchair and Teddy Long was pushing me. We were in Gorilla and they
gave me my first promo and I got it done. I was ready to
go, oh no, there's revision. They bring me another one. After
the fourth one, Teddy Long goes, You're gonna fuck this up, aren't
you? And I was like, yeah, I think tonight it's going to
be a good night to do that. Because he saw I was overwhelmed.
I mean, my promos were almost two pages. I mean, it was
just so much to do. So I mean, that's your filler word for
I don't know what's happening, right, Yeah, but was that a filler
word at home with the kids? No? No, I never gets it
at home. Okay, No, I assume maybe that was no. I
mean, and I forgot my promo And so the fans are very smart.
In the front row, I'm on stage, I'm looking like a deer,
like I'm trying to like search for wherever I would begin, and they were
so cruelers fans like throwing fingers at me, and they were like, just
tell me horrible things like we told you don't belong here, you forgot your
lines, go home. And I just yelled out, excuse me, like
at my bitchy voice, and they roared like they got really mad that I
said something back and I said it again. And then when I went back
to Gorilla, I finished it. It was a horrible I mean, it
was the worst job I've ever done. And I went back to Gorilla and
their writers are like, we're gonna try that next week. I think we
have something here, and so it worked. That's also nice that in wrestling,
like for me, as an agent or a coach or whatever, I
can sit back and be like that's a thing, and you wouldn't even know,
right, you were just out there. But you know there's people outside
of you and outside of your body who can pinpoint the things that will hit.
And so they would write excuse me at the very beginning and just for
me to start with that. And then I when I left, you know,
I created that. So I trademarked it really quick and yeah, business
and marketing. Yeah, and so it's lasted. Gosh, it's almost man,
it's like seventeen years later. I'm still using it. Yeah. Hey,
the shows are ad free over on Patreon. Let's take a quick ad
break. We'll be right back. You and Nila are together now? Yes,
and how's that relationship? I love Lila Sometimes I just look at her
like who are you? Because I mean, especially her Twitter interaction when I
read her tweets. She's so creative and funny and I love her to pieces
like we just grew to have a great respect for each other. We wish
that I in aw I love being there, I love the company. I
just wish I could be more of my character there, you know, because
there's so many promos I could see at that moment that I want to do
and either time short or I'm not utilized in that same way. So we
talk about that, you know, you know, I'm sorry, you know,
we can't use you more. You know, I'm sorry you didn't get
to do your promo because I would ask, you know, my agent,
like, can't do a promo tonight? You know. So that's like the
most frustrating thing. But that aside working with her and seeing how she's just
breaking these barriers, you know, with her the truth in her lifestyle and
who she is. I'm really proud to stand next to her and just say
this is my friend. That's great, Yeah, of course, and it's
fun for you. I'd imagine to continue that life you get like, you
know, like aw is great because it's just like oh if you know,
once a week on the road and so it's like we can live our real
lives. We can farm if we want to, but then we can,
you know, we can get a sprinkle of what the lifestyle is. Right.
Yeah. When I saw that when I went to ABE for a couple
of appearances and they're telling me their skeed Joel and was talking to Tony and
he's like, yeah, we only just work once a week, and we
were in Jacksonville during the time during COVID, and he's like, you'll come
out like every two weeks and we'll spend like four days here. And I'm
like, yes, I've never heard of this schedule before. This is crazy,
and so that attracted me and I respect the schedule. And Tony's so
great with shuttling us like to the arena. Like in WW you have your
own rental car and get yourself there and on time, you know, and
then take yourself to the next city. So that lifestyle was very different to
come here and see how how um we're so spoiled we really are. And
when the kids, you know, argue, you know, they complain,
I'm like, oh, you need to stop there, because you have no
idea how bad this could be. Well, wrestling has always changed and evolved,
yeah, and this is this is this is the next step of like,
yeah, getting the guy, the guys and the girls and whatever,
trying to you know, getting them to shuttle to blazes and having their hotels
ready for them. Like like we've evolved. It's wrestling has left the the
warez fields and it's it's really arenas and some capacities and yeah, I mean,
you know, a lot of kids didn't realize it in WWE. You
know, they only paid for your air to get to work and your hotel
and rental cars where your own responsibility and food, you know, Tony kahan
is I mean he provides food for us sometimes at the hotels. That's such
a respectful thing that he shows to us, not only as his wrestlers,
but as human beings, like hey, I'm going to feed you tonight.
So I don't take that lightly, the little thing, but it goes along
way absolutely. So you know how he you know, has taken care of
us is speaks volumes of the heart that he has and how grateful we should
be to be in this company. Yeah. Well, I appreciate all your
success. I appreciate it everything you've done and you do. And I think
it's still so cool that you're you're you're still doing it, you're having fun,
You're such a positive person. It's so great positivity. I don't know
if that came to you. I don't know where does that We'll leave with
that, like, where does that mentality? Because I really appreciate and enjoy
your positivity. Thank you. I think after Eddie's passing, I really learned
how life was very precious and how it could change overnight. And so we
have a choice of how we're gonna live our day. And I have a
lot of stuff, personal stuff that goes on, you know, when we
get home and I have to leave at the door because our days are long
at work, and we have a choice to either make the best of our
day or we can make it a shitty day. And I choose the good
day. Yeah, so I believe in it. Yeah, awesome, Thanks
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yeah, that's how I feel, and like I feel like an hour
gap or whatever. It is. Still it's hard to find even though we
have all the time of the world, we've been right forget it general.
That's a cool LAMI zoom it's a stable in the podcast, that's what it's
zoom. But I mean that what's a different zoom. It's called yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, um Yeah, it's like a known
audio recorder. Okay, I just put it's just to know how much time
I've been doing. Okay, Hi, Vicky, let's get some levels on
you. Testing one, two, three testing. That's good. I don't
know what did you have for breakfast this morning? I had a meal of
a meal prepping of chicken, sausage and eggs and a slice of bacon.
Very nice. Okay, I think that's good. Um, you got a
meal, You got a your own meal prepping or I did it. But
I went to have fit live foods. I'm under Bryce's training. I went
there in Orlando and got a whole bunch of meals for the road, and
they're pretty good. Okay, I'm not I don't hate them. Okay.
Him some probiotic that's disgusting. Like I thought I was gonna throw up all
over my room in this morning. He's like, it's gonna taste bad.
I'm like, how bad can it be? Right? I put it with
water. I'm gonna bitch at him today powder I need to put something else
in there. So yeah, he's trying to keep all my sugars down and
everything. I wish I had someone looking after me, like Oh that's all
right, all right, I'm gonna get you to talk in this microphone the
whole time, and that's our conversation. Here we are on another beautiful day
of aw wrestling,