1 00:00:07,879 --> 00:00:17,839 Good morning, Mother Sphere Good morning Male Common Sphere Sheath Welcome. Still no 2 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,199 good morning, Mother waits welcome. In this space in which you know we 3 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:30,600 love to present you projects, people, challenges, adventures, experiences that help 4 00:00:31,079 --> 00:00:35,880 you to cope with this beautiful thing of upbringing, of education, of parenthood, 5 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,280 of motherhood. In the best way and as it could not be less, 6 00:00:41,079 --> 00:00:46,079 today we will present to you a super interesting person and a more interesting 7 00:00:46,119 --> 00:00:53,640 project that may help you encourage you in this beautiful task of initiating our creatures, 8 00:00:54,079 --> 00:00:59,679 initiating or accompanying perhaps our creatures in the wonderful world of reading, today 9 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:04,079 we welcome to podcast a person that you have already heard, because we have 10 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:08,040 been able to hear it in the special of the winners of the Inspirate Awards. 11 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:18,359 But on this occasion we will hear her expounding properly and to get to 12 00:01:18,359 --> 00:01:23,159 know Judith Gallardo a little better. Good afternoon, good afternoon, good morning, 13 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,359 good evening, we already know that this podcast thing can be any time. 14 00:01:26,439 --> 00:01:33,480 Judith Gallardo, creator of genius readers. How are you, Judith, 15 00:01:33,799 --> 00:01:41,719 for I am delighted to chat with you this afternoon, tomorrow night, at 16 00:01:42,439 --> 00:01:48,760 this moment, at this moment. Well, Judith, tell us. Above 17 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:53,519 all, thank you for stopping by, congratulations, for that wonderful award Be 18 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,799 inspired, for your work, for your project, for genius readers. It 19 00:01:57,879 --> 00:02:04,000 gave us great joy to give as a winner and to be able to reward 20 00:02:04,079 --> 00:02:06,840 all this work all that beautiful project with which you are accompanying so many families. 21 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,520 So that' s the first thing we have to say. No, 22 00:02:10,599 --> 00:02:15,840 the pleasure was me. Besides, I didn' t expect it at all 23 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:21,039 and when you said genius readers, my partner was recording and in the video 24 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,280 that one that will never come out. I was like saying what, like 25 00:02:25,439 --> 00:02:30,599 they' re like I' m not happy, you know, but it 26 00:02:30,599 --> 00:02:35,039 wasn' t very cool. So nothing, thank you very much. Nothing 27 00:02:35,199 --> 00:02:38,439 immense pleasure and, moreover, much deserved and chosen by the wonderful jury, 28 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,039 first by the public, which was the first phase of the awards, and 29 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:47,240 then by a super professional jury. So very well- deserved and, of 30 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:51,319 course, give back the good news to all the people who came to the 31 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,199 final, to all the people who participated in the awards and to all the 32 00:02:54,240 --> 00:03:00,319 people who continue to work and create in your projects, in digital profiles, 33 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,919 creating digital content that is very slave and very hard. And suddenly someone will 34 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,400 recognize him and pat you, for you are very grateful and do not stop 35 00:03:07,439 --> 00:03:15,800 doing so. Don' t stop. I didn' t come there either 36 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:23,639 I still don' t mean to be cursed by the prizes and to stop 37 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,080 it from happening, it could happen. That' s the way it is. 38 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:30,719 Sometimes it can get over everything. First, and because I already know 39 00:03:30,759 --> 00:03:35,479 you a little bit and we follow you through networks and you have a great 40 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,400 community, but tell us a little Judith, who you are because you also 41 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,599 have a voice of being very young. In the voice of a young person 42 00:03:45,159 --> 00:03:52,199 we love to catch up with youth, tell us a little bit, who 43 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:58,120 you are that how you come to create this project and a little bit, 44 00:03:58,319 --> 00:04:03,400 because that is how the initiative arises in you, the anxiety to get into 45 00:04:03,439 --> 00:04:06,199 a forum as genius readers, because to see me, I had always liked 46 00:04:06,199 --> 00:04:11,439 to read and write. So, I' ve always had that interest in 47 00:04:11,479 --> 00:04:17,319 literature and lyrics. I began to study the degree of general linguistics in Barcelona, 48 00:04:17,439 --> 00:04:24,560 which is my hometown, and there I realized that the literature was not 49 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:30,160 very present, because in the degree of linguistics, in addition, the whole 50 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,279 part of language and language is worked much more. Since then, the literature 51 00:04:33,399 --> 00:04:39,800 was not played in a very extensive way either, but in children' s 52 00:04:39,879 --> 00:04:41,839 literature and good in the end, nor is it played in philology. In 53 00:04:41,879 --> 00:04:47,079 fact, if you look at the projects there are and the subjects, there 54 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,199 is no room for this type of literature. So, like, what' 55 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,720 s forbidden and what' s not talked about gets me even more attention then 56 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:58,079 I started doing some research on my own about infantile and juvenile literature and I 57 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,079 was super lucky to be able to work in a bookstore specializing in children and 58 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,600 youth. Okay, well, the bookstore was a general, but I was 59 00:05:05,639 --> 00:05:10,040 hired as a child and a youth, and from there I got to know 60 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:15,040 a little more about this literature. I went on to combine everything I was 61 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,879 learning in the career with that I was more theoretical, with the more part 62 00:05:17,879 --> 00:05:20,480 of the deal, with the people, with the kids, with the families. 63 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:26,240 I became aware of the needs I had and began to manage reading promotion 64 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:30,319 activities in this bookshop. On his own initiative, he thought that the bookshop 65 00:05:30,399 --> 00:05:34,360 in space had to be energized a little bit, in the concept of space 66 00:05:34,399 --> 00:05:36,839 in which you sell books, he no longer took anything. Now we have 67 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:43,560 to do it. The bookstore is a cultural space. At the end and 68 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,879 from there, then, the covid came and I decided that all the workshops 69 00:05:47,879 --> 00:05:51,360 I was doing in libraries or that I was doing also in the bookstore had 70 00:05:51,439 --> 00:05:56,680 to take a step further. And that was my head and keen readers that 71 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,399 is an online bookstore. Right now he specializes in children and youth. And 72 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,439 also, because it' s a habit project to encourage reading, I understand 73 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:13,639 reading and I' m collaborating with schools, libraries, cultural ones, bookstores 74 00:06:13,639 --> 00:06:19,319 as well. So that' s how I started and so I' m 75 00:06:19,399 --> 00:06:27,000 telling us before that you liked that of course it' s easy to imagine 76 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,720 that the taste for literature comes from always. IT at home has been something 77 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:38,480 that has encouraged you especially to like literature so much, especially as many recent 78 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:46,920 parents listen to us, especially with that concern, that concern. My son, 79 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,680 my daughter, will like to read if I like what they did in 80 00:06:49,759 --> 00:06:55,959 your house or what they didn' t do that they have meant that you 81 00:06:56,079 --> 00:07:01,040 like letters so much. See there' s one thing that I think my 82 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,480 generation still has worth, although it' s true that I' m young, 83 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,360 I' m not born, I mean, I' m from the 84 00:07:09,759 --> 00:07:12,000 digital technological age, but in my house there was no mistake either. Me. 85 00:07:12,079 --> 00:07:14,279 I mean, I' ve grown up without a cell phone. I 86 00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:17,040 didn' t have a cell phone until I was thirteen or fourteen. Of 87 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:23,120 course, technologies are a very powerful tool. We talked about creating content before 88 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,000 Instagram, but also for children it is a very clear source of entertainment and 89 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:32,480 often competes between quotes with other activities that have less encouragement, not like reading, 90 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:38,399 for example, that requires more effort and has less direct stimulation. It 91 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:42,319 is clear that living in that environment already encourages reading rather than living in which 92 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,600 we are now. It' s already a different environment. Still, my 93 00:07:46,199 --> 00:07:50,560 parents didn' t do anything as super special, because I was always that 94 00:07:50,639 --> 00:07:56,879 curious, but it' s true that they fed her more, that is, 95 00:07:57,199 --> 00:08:00,720 as they saw that I was interested right away. They gave me the 96 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,639 library card so I could go get more books. Every week we went to 97 00:08:03,639 --> 00:08:09,040 the library that made four stories on Wednesdays. I think then we called all 98 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:11,800 the mieescles the accounts of the library and used to pick up and return books. 99 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:18,240 I was actually taking mileaya because my parents worked and then we were also 100 00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:24,560 going to do homework to the library many afternoons and they were giving me books 101 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:31,160 to reward me for things I' ve got good grades in the first trimester 102 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:35,679 four books we go to the bookstore that that is very good and you take 103 00:08:35,759 --> 00:08:37,600 the four books that you want. And of course, I' ve never 104 00:08:37,639 --> 00:08:41,519 been told this book, not this book. I' ve always had as 105 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:46,879 much freedom in that sense and as they knew I liked them, they were 106 00:08:46,879 --> 00:08:50,600 always looking for things to take me and to continue feeding. That' s 107 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,360 why I bought a typewriter right away because they knew I liked writing. Then 108 00:08:54,360 --> 00:09:00,639 a computer without the Internet so that it could write. Then they fed a 109 00:09:00,639 --> 00:09:05,799 little, but they didn' t force because I already liked it and they 110 00:09:05,799 --> 00:09:13,120 had that ease. Let' s say well, well, it' s 111 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,720 very important and you always talk about not how to do it, how to 112 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,559 encourage it. In fact, it is part of your work, to encourage 113 00:09:18,639 --> 00:09:24,039 the taste for reading and, about you, you will find that question constantly 114 00:09:24,039 --> 00:09:30,159 families who come to IT both in person and through your project from the Internet. 115 00:09:30,159 --> 00:09:35,120 Not exactly to see, and that is many times because the child already 116 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,600 has interest as such. That is, there are characters that encourage reading more 117 00:09:39,639 --> 00:09:43,720 than others. Reading is an activity like very calm, which requires a lot 118 00:09:43,799 --> 00:09:48,480 of concentration. Then there are children whose character is more moved, for example, 119 00:09:48,639 --> 00:09:54,399 they are more attracted to more sports activities or more. It is not 120 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,840 exclusive either, but good that there are characters to encourage more one thing than 121 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:03,200 the other. Even so, obviously, you can do things to comment on 122 00:10:03,279 --> 00:10:11,440 reading how to read yourself too many times is not to do as great efforts 123 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,759 very rare things either. In the end, sometimes you have to be a 124 00:10:13,799 --> 00:10:20,559 little consistent with what you' re asking for and that there are books at 125 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,960 home that see you read is that they' re things like then there are 126 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,480 other techniques, obviously, there are other ways to do it. Also, 127 00:10:28,519 --> 00:10:31,720 for children who have some kind of difficulty reading, other tools need to be 128 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,919 used, to use other kinds of materials, obviously, but in general, 129 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,679 the most basic thing and what strikes them the most is that the book is 130 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:46,960 present and sometimes we demand things that adults are not willing to do. And 131 00:10:48,039 --> 00:10:54,639 you think this thing that you said you didn' t have a cell phone 132 00:10:54,759 --> 00:11:03,080 when you were young that right now everyone has a cell phone, there' 133 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,759 s an age right now, there' s controversy about the ages of mobile 134 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,440 access, but in principle, it has more and more people, more mobile 135 00:11:11,519 --> 00:11:13,320 people, and yet they haven' t stopped selling books. I don' 136 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:18,120 t know if they sell more than before or they don' t sell more 137 00:11:18,159 --> 00:11:24,000 than before, but many books are sold, so it' s true that 138 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:33,200 new technologies prevent us from reading or don' t see that there is an 139 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,039 interesting thing and now getting the end job of master' s, high school, 140 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,279 high school teachers, and my work is related to academic performance, the 141 00:11:41,279 --> 00:11:43,080 electric Habita and the elector buys. It couldn' t be any other way. 142 00:11:43,879 --> 00:11:48,000 So, just yesterday they were looking I loved very well that I asked 143 00:11:48,039 --> 00:11:54,080 myself I am because just yesterday I was doing an analysis of some statistics And 144 00:11:54,159 --> 00:11:56,240 it turns out that to the kids, to the ones that I have polled, 145 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:01,759 that they are twelve years old to the first era, that they all 146 00:12:01,799 --> 00:12:07,360 have habit elected more or less worth, that is, principle that the truth, 147 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,919 that it seems that the answers are quite realistic, because then there are 148 00:12:09,919 --> 00:12:11,240 answers I am not interested in anything. In books there is nothing you can 149 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:16,360 do to make it clear, but it is not that they did it to 150 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:22,960 look good, but actually, then the others are denoted that there is some 151 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:28,120 expressive freedom in theory. I want to believe that it is true that the 152 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,559 habit, because it is realistic. So every week they read at least one 153 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,200 or two days for taste, well, for taste or obligation, but books 154 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:43,320 outside the institute are not mandatory readings. But oddly enough, in the data 155 00:12:43,399 --> 00:12:48,200 of how many books you were given year, you still read two. How 156 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:54,440 is it possible that if you read so much of the day, you' 157 00:12:54,440 --> 00:13:00,240 ll just finish two books. Not sure, it' s all a hypothesis, 158 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:01,519 because in the end, because I' m not in their heads or 159 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,360 in their homes, I don' t know, but I think a little 160 00:13:05,399 --> 00:13:07,919 what the motive is, that is, they have books, they buy them 161 00:13:07,919 --> 00:13:09,679 books. Sure, buying books isn' t the same as reading the book. 162 00:13:11,399 --> 00:13:16,279 That is very clear and clear to us is not that sometimes the statistics 163 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,519 of reading habits are made according to the sales of books. And it' 164 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:26,200 s not very realistic, because you can give away a lot of books and 165 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,720 they' re on the shelf doing dining room decoration. Don' t read 166 00:13:28,799 --> 00:13:31,240 them then there' s a little bit of it going on a little bit. 167 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,840 If you see the statistics of the habit, you think rubbed, there 168 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:37,799 is a lot of future. But you see after two books have been finished, 169 00:13:37,879 --> 00:13:41,440 three books a year, having read so much. From time to time 170 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:46,519 to time, and what I can think of, which of course is a 171 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,639 hypothesis like any other, is that you start looking at the book, but 172 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,360 it' s vibrated my whatsapp. I look at it, I stop now 173 00:13:54,399 --> 00:14:00,000 I want to go to the bathroom continuous and face to day, even if 174 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:01,039 they have dedicated every day I read for a while. It' s been 175 00:14:01,519 --> 00:14:07,080 a while since it wasn' t critical reading, that is, they haven 176 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,000 ' t been reading focused on what they' re reading. It' s 177 00:14:09,039 --> 00:14:13,600 a reading like what' s typical when you ask a mom who just had 178 00:14:13,639 --> 00:14:16,919 a little boy who says no. I read when I breastfeed him that it 179 00:14:16,919 --> 00:14:20,159 is a very flattering moment. There' s nothing to do, because you 180 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,279 take advantage of it and read that it' s videos not a bit like 181 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,919 already when I don' t know, I' m not a mother, 182 00:14:26,919 --> 00:14:28,679 but many mothers say it. Well, I take advantage of it while I 183 00:14:28,759 --> 00:14:31,360 know how to read it, but of course it is a reading of the 184 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,039 same kind. It' s a reading that' s not a concentrated reading, 185 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,960 because you' re doing something else and you' re not who I 186 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:43,399 know. So maybe the book lasts five months, you don' t read 187 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:48,720 that book in three weeks that you would have read it to yourself if you 188 00:14:48,879 --> 00:14:52,360 ' d been concentrating less days reading the book. Then, in the end, 189 00:14:52,879 --> 00:14:58,799 of course, I have my doubts about the habit. Don' t 190 00:15:00,159 --> 00:15:01,840 grow up reading too much, it doesn' t have to mean reading for 191 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:07,960 real. And there we go into a more complicated thing, because, because 192 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:13,200 that encouraging reading is not staying with the child reading and that' s it 193 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,720 with going a little further than it is for what it serves you. Reading 194 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:22,519 is to reflect, to think, to have fun, but it' s 195 00:15:22,559 --> 00:15:28,559 a brain activity. It' s not a thing that happens to you, 196 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,559 and it' s clear, of course, of course. Then, there 197 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:41,279 we come to the critical, conflicting, painful point of reading comprehension. Yeah, 198 00:15:41,799 --> 00:15:45,360 it' s a clear melon. There' s data there, too. 199 00:15:48,039 --> 00:15:50,879 What I do not know very well or what is not and there is 200 00:15:50,879 --> 00:15:58,240 also much controversy is about whether the studies that gather the evolution of the reading 201 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:03,200 comprehension in our students, in our country, how they are carried out, 202 00:16:03,639 --> 00:16:10,519 whether they are more or less effective and measure better or worse the famous PISA 203 00:16:10,519 --> 00:16:15,799 tests, which are those that tell us that the reading comprehension is going worse 204 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:21,080 and that they always bring a flood of controversy also and that, moreover, 205 00:16:21,759 --> 00:16:27,200 just this year, I have seen near the tests that are carried out and 206 00:16:27,279 --> 00:16:34,720 good and you read to the teachers who correct them, because the topic of 207 00:16:34,799 --> 00:16:38,759 the evaluation is my complex. In general, I mean to make a realistic 208 00:16:40,919 --> 00:16:48,480 assessment that really takes into account the diversity of the student body, which is 209 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,679 adapted. I also mean you can' t pass him the same aunt. 210 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,919 It is a child with dyslexia than another who does not have dyslexia, because 211 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,159 perhaps it is not that the reader does not have understanding, perhaps it is 212 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:03,519 that the presentation of the also is not adapted as he understands the texts. 213 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,359 Or a child who has vision problems you can give the same text because he 214 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,720 or she doesn' t understand it anyway and it' s not an understanding 215 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,279 issue, but they' re playing other factors that make the result altered. 216 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:21,759 It' s not around there there' s a complexity in general, but 217 00:17:21,759 --> 00:17:25,200 I think that, as a rule, you, when you ask a teacher 218 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:30,880 if his students understand things, most say no. I mean, there' 219 00:17:32,519 --> 00:17:33,759 s a whole world that knows there' s a problem of reading comprehension. 220 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,079 We can ignore it more, we can ignore it less. But you go 221 00:17:37,079 --> 00:17:41,079 to college and ask him. A university professor you think your students know how 222 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,960 to write well and it' s okay to understand the texts and I wouldn 223 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,440 ' t know what percentage, but most will tell you not what. You 224 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,039 don' t go to high school, you ask, and it happens just 225 00:17:52,039 --> 00:17:53,799 like me. It happens to me because I give many talks, for teachers 226 00:17:53,839 --> 00:17:56,279 and also for families. And in the end, the general feeling is that 227 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:02,160 no one understands it, no one was and a feeling that the children are 228 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:07,279 finding out what they' re reading then I' m surprised that when they 229 00:18:07,319 --> 00:18:10,039 come out the exams everyone steps on to say it' s true. I 230 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:14,359 ' m good at it. No one is saying clearly, I say oysters 231 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:15,640 these teachers who they will be, because the ones I find are not. 232 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:21,920 I' m surprised because I' m telling you later that you' re 233 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:22,599 really talking to any cloisters is true. It' s a problem. It 234 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,039 ' s just that I don' t know that I do exams and sometimes 235 00:18:26,039 --> 00:18:27,000 he answers me wrong because they don' t understand the question. And then 236 00:18:27,079 --> 00:18:32,599 when the footprints come out, not our country, not our perfect, of 237 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,559 course not. Or we hang on to a few things. It is the 238 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,359 covid does not forgive, of course the covid It would be this the topic 239 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,960 of the covid already we are as well for all and the child is fifteen 240 00:18:45,079 --> 00:18:48,759 years old, I bought it in his reader, already made it in primary 241 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,839 and there was no covid I mean to see it has been able to have 242 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,440 a small delay for the covid but at fifteen years old it had to have 243 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,759 reading understanding from before. It is not a question that of the twelve to 244 00:18:59,839 --> 00:19:03,240 whom I sincerely decide no longer with twelve. You' ve got to be 245 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,440 clear by now. I mean, let' s see not then. Yes, 246 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,519 it' s true that evaluations are a little complicated and I don' 247 00:19:10,599 --> 00:19:15,920 t know how realistic they are, but we' re more or less on 248 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,799 the OCB average. Well, that' s good, we' re just 249 00:19:19,799 --> 00:19:22,799 like in the European Union. Yeah, but there are five scores and we 250 00:19:22,839 --> 00:19:26,039 ' re in two, which would be, like, a text at basic 251 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:33,680 levels. Rollo here buys bread, says he buys bread. You know the 252 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,960 moment you add it makes it difficult or abstract, no one knows anything anymore, 253 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,759 which is how dangerous you really don' t understand, I don' 254 00:19:41,839 --> 00:19:48,880 t know a newspaper news or when a political speech. In writing. That 255 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,680 ' s where they can really manipulate you, where reading is powerful, that 256 00:19:52,759 --> 00:20:02,039 you understand, that there puts top is basic illiteracy clear and attracts attention, 257 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:08,359 because precisely we want them to learn to read each time before. And yet, 258 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:17,359 I do see that much concern in families, in cabbages. There' 259 00:20:17,519 --> 00:20:26,359 s that pressure that kids have to get into elementary school already reading. Yeah, 260 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,440 yeah, yeah, yeah, but I don' t know, but 261 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,000 you teach yourself well to read the subject clearly. I think we' re 262 00:20:33,079 --> 00:20:40,559 so focused on what it' s like to decode what it says that then 263 00:20:40,599 --> 00:20:42,480 we forget about everything else, as the child already knows how to read, 264 00:20:44,519 --> 00:20:45,440 see See knows what it says here. The kid reads it to you, 265 00:20:48,079 --> 00:20:52,160 but that' s nothing. It' s actually a very superficial part of 266 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,920 what it' s like to read. And in many talks I give to 267 00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:00,319 families I tell them to read, they' re going to learn, unless 268 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,480 they have some major learning disorder. In general, all children learn to read, 269 00:21:03,759 --> 00:21:06,759 are not going to reach the age of twelve without knowing how to read, 270 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:08,119 or learn at the age of four or learn at the age of six. 271 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,119 I mean, that' s not it either. Every child has his 272 00:21:11,279 --> 00:21:15,559 rhythm not only depends on biological aspects. Okay, it' s really very 273 00:21:17,079 --> 00:21:21,599 complex, and we only do it on a large scale because we don' 274 00:21:21,599 --> 00:21:23,799 t have teachers to make the classes smaller. Then we have to determine an 275 00:21:23,799 --> 00:21:26,839 age. You' re this age we all teach them en masse, because 276 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,400 so we do. Everything, not reading, math, everything, because it 277 00:21:30,319 --> 00:21:34,359 ' s a capacity problem. So if your son at four, one learns, 278 00:21:34,519 --> 00:21:37,519 then girl, at five, he will learn to read what it is 279 00:21:37,599 --> 00:21:41,920 to read he will learn. The problem is that we are not focusing so 280 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:48,960 much on reading comprehension. You don' t work, that is you don 281 00:21:49,079 --> 00:21:52,680 ' t really do a test you' ve understood this text. It is 282 00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:57,839 not to work the reading comprehension at all, because in the end I mean 283 00:21:57,839 --> 00:22:02,880 who does not understand the text will answer the questions. Okay, but you 284 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,200 ' re not giving her any technique so they know the next text to understand. 285 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:12,839 Sure, sure, sure, there' s the thing. Sure. 286 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,799 You' ve got it wrong, you' ve got it right, and 287 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:23,680 now, when you give me another thing and it' s one thing that 288 00:22:23,759 --> 00:22:30,920 I' m seeing a lot too when, because that' s more with 289 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,440 lectures to your own teacher and teachers of teaching such that they' re studying 290 00:22:34,519 --> 00:22:36,079 and doing this kind of reflection and they themselves don' t tend the text 291 00:22:36,079 --> 00:22:37,319 that you' ve passed on to them. The bibliography is valid, therefore, 292 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:40,079 because it is true that there is a bibliography to see. Let' 293 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,799 s also be honest. There are articles that are a little encrypted also in 294 00:22:42,839 --> 00:22:49,440 the academic world, in good academic, of course, also mus clearly the 295 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,279 academic world sometimes when you read more bibliographies. It is true that there are 296 00:22:52,319 --> 00:22:56,279 things that are very bureaucratic and hard to understand, because yes, yes, 297 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,519 yes, yes, but if you have a good reading understanding, you have 298 00:23:00,519 --> 00:23:03,880 tools to understand, even if it is the basics of the text and then 299 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:08,359 you have to look for more concrete things because you don' t understand and 300 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,359 things as basic as not kids. But to see what the text is about, 301 00:23:10,599 --> 00:23:15,160 look for the words that are most repeated. That' s usually the 302 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:19,200 subject or the synonyms that there are usually being is like the main topic and 303 00:23:19,279 --> 00:23:26,359 from oysters, nobody had ever told them. It doesn' t mean we 304 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:33,119 don' t equip students with tools so that they know how to correct themselves 305 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:42,640 and have understanding in the reader and we just complain that they don' t 306 00:23:42,759 --> 00:23:47,359 do well then And besides, as everything is changing so fast that there is 307 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,640 now a lot of vict. In other words, it is being studied that 308 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:56,079 the difference between reading in digital and reading a paper, for example, that 309 00:23:56,519 --> 00:24:00,720 that is changing the way children, boys and girls themselves read and learn in 310 00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:04,960 the same way, reading on paper or reading in digital is that all that 311 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:12,720 is being studied now. That is clear, yes, yes, yes, 312 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:19,000 I think that many times to watch self- criticism is very hard for everyone. 313 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,799 I mean, you' re assuming that you' re doing it, 314 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,640 because everyone does everything like me a priori and I feel like I want to 315 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:32,200 think that everyone a priori does everything with good intention. Until the opposite is 316 00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:34,039 proven and everyone does it with mani intention, then, the teachers of the 317 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,200 families, all the attempts they make actually make them with good intention, Then 318 00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:42,680 it is very hard that something that you are doing with affection and love realize 319 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,319 that, maybe it is not so well done and, maybe you are wrong 320 00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:52,200 and have to rectify it and have to relearn you, because there is a 321 00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:56,319 time when you already become an adult, you don' t want to learn 322 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,880 anymore. It' s like I don' t want to change my whole 323 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,359 perspective. I mean, I' ve assembled here, for example, because 324 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,720 a teacher, I' ve already assembled here my whole mental structure of how 325 00:25:07,759 --> 00:25:11,279 it' s going to be a class. I' ve been doing the 326 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,599 same kind of class for ten years and it' s really hard to really 327 00:25:15,599 --> 00:25:18,960 say oysters all I' ve done. It' s not really that I 328 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,519 ' m lost, because I' m not, but it' s very 329 00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:23,359 hard to assume it' s okay now. I have to change everything, 330 00:25:23,599 --> 00:25:30,680 I have to relearn everything that equals children, these children have no electoral understanding, 331 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:37,079 because I am doing something wrong? Of course, it' s not 332 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,480 really like that. It' s not that you' re making poplar is 333 00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:41,519 the context has changed, it' s that you have to adapt. But 334 00:25:41,599 --> 00:25:45,680 of course it means there' s something you' re doing wrong, because 335 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:52,200 things are changing and you don' t or you refuse to make change. 336 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,079 No, I mean, kids right now aren' t as much as they 337 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,480 used to be. It' s not that he' ll suddenly do this 338 00:25:59,519 --> 00:26:00,960 generation' s thing is lost. It' s not like they' re 339 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,559 dumber. Of course, they' re no more fools than they were before. 340 00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:10,000 They are simply in another context and we do not know how to guide 341 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,000 them. We don' t know how to control digitization. We don' 342 00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:18,160 t know how not to ban it, but to control it. We don 343 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,440 ' t know how to manage exposure on social media. We do not know 344 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,480 how to encourage reading. We don' t know, and since we don 345 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,440 ' t know, it' s going wrong. Your summary, because it 346 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,680 can' t be showing, but it' s going wrong. There are 347 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,799 things that we know to work, of course, of course it is. 348 00:26:38,279 --> 00:26:41,960 There are things that we know work, but we don' t know how 349 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:49,799 to focus those things in this context and we have to learn and as adults, 350 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:59,960 sometimes it' s hard to say it. It' s necessary. 351 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:07,799 I' m listening to you, and I' m thinking about the little 352 00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:10,160 value you' re given. In general, there will be people who love 353 00:27:10,279 --> 00:27:15,400 to read and there will be many people who are listening to us, families, 354 00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:21,359 parents, mothers who already have that habit, like reading, but there 355 00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:25,559 are so many other people and in fact, the other day read on twitter 356 00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:32,319 to someone who was against the esnovism of the literature against that. H is 357 00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:34,559 to see there is the same thing also yes, yes, I agree, 358 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:41,319 but it hurts in my little heart director, because I cannot help but disagree, 359 00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:48,599 because yes, of course I think that if you read you, you 360 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:55,079 can develop more skills and more attitudes. But there are many people who feel 361 00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:00,519 that there is no need to read, that it is not necessary, that 362 00:28:00,599 --> 00:28:07,440 it is not necessary and that it is very difficult to convince them, because 363 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:08,240 they can, indeed, continue their whole life without reading. It is true, 364 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,759 yes, truth is a fact or existence, they can exist, of 365 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,880 course, yes, to see is that I believe that in general yes, 366 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,079 that it is true that there are certain. We have people who think that, 367 00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:26,960 especially in the more academic realm, that there are certain things, that 368 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:33,119 make you as the best person exactly worth and reading it makes you better person 369 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,640 can be silly, just as if it isn' t you can go wrong 370 00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:44,920 a person can be a person, because it is equally unpleasant, but totally 371 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,440 that doesn' t make you go to heaven for having read. But it 372 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:55,519 ' s true that culture gives you a perspective of the world that you wouldn 373 00:28:55,519 --> 00:28:59,440 ' t have without culture, and it' s not just reading worth it 374 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,559 is that it usually happens or doesn' t happen that people who read more 375 00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:04,559 or less, that is we' re no longer in a ranking of is 376 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,960 that I don' t read better it doesn' t usually read or that 377 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,680 read for a little bit worth having that rutinilla. They are also the people 378 00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:15,559 who are most interested, because of plays, for music, for not, 379 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,400 for everything at the same time neither, but who have like that anxiety to 380 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:26,880 know more things. It' s usually people who are more thoughtful or who 381 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,599 get more involved in debates, who do more things. No, and in 382 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,240 fact it' s not that it' s essential, but it' s 383 00:29:34,359 --> 00:29:41,119 that society needs these people and you can tell when a society is uneducated because 384 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:48,720 things happen and the dynamics of an uneducated society are generated. So in the 385 00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:52,400 end, I know a career, I always say it in a college career, 386 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,759 it doesn' t make you smarter, but there are things that do 387 00:29:56,839 --> 00:29:59,400 make you smarter, more than anything, because they make you debate yourself, 388 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:06,480 about the concept you have of things. So, I don' t know 389 00:30:06,519 --> 00:30:08,039 how to have three and a half runs that can happen to you. There 390 00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:12,039 are people who have good, I know a résumé that' s spectacular and 391 00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:15,400 they don' t read anything that' s the same. You talk to 392 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,119 them and you say lend a person what cave has come out of, that 393 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:26,119 is, this thought so and then you talk to someone who doesn' t 394 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,880 have a career, but who does have as that no more cultural interest, 395 00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:37,839 more to learn things, to read, to be informed, of not necessarily 396 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,680 literature, newspapers, magazines, blogs, of I don' t know fashion 397 00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:47,799 worth and that they have that thing and in the end, you don' 398 00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:48,359 t need it at all, but you need it for everything. I mean, 399 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,240 then many times we complain that we live in a country where I know 400 00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:56,079 and politicians don' t know what it is that we vote for those politicians 401 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:03,759 ourselves or we have to be aware of the responsibility you have. And I 402 00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:08,440 think statements of reading are useless or I don' t know. Or I 403 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,839 don' t care about politics because I don' t care. Or, 404 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:19,519 of course, that kind of thing really makes things happen after that, and 405 00:31:19,559 --> 00:31:22,759 we complain about those things, that education is worse, or that there are 406 00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:29,440 other countries that are more technologically developed, or what. And it' s 407 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,119 a little bit, because everything' s got to do with it. Then 408 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,960 I don' t know. I understand that there are readers who give rage. 409 00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:45,799 I understand, but to see in general, there are people who are 410 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:52,039 angry at everything. In general, I mean to see if it does give 411 00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:55,200 for podcast. I' m sure there' s already a podcast called that. 412 00:31:55,759 --> 00:32:00,240 People remain angry and could of all professions, of all kinds of activities 413 00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:07,279 and truth in literature, or people who talk a lot about literature or good 414 00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:14,240 x characters are within that realm. Sometimes they give rage but of course, 415 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,759 please, the book, the book, The book, Yes, sometimes I 416 00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:24,319 think that the problem many times of these things also happens with music. Or 417 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:29,960 is that the people who present it to you are not the people who would 418 00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:35,480 have to introduce it to you. That interests me because we' re not 419 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,880 good prescribers. Of course not. I think there are people who are very 420 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:47,559 good at a matter that if they tell you about that matter, they won 421 00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:52,039 ' t hook you up. That happens a lot also with teachers and professionals. 422 00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:54,759 There' s a lot. They' re very good at something, 423 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,680 they' re very good philologists are very good, but they don' t 424 00:32:59,759 --> 00:33:00,920 know there' s one thing you can' t teach, which is like 425 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:06,119 that. There are no people who have ease when communicating or who have as 426 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,319 passion or you notice it I don' t know. There are things that 427 00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:12,599 hook up that you don' t know very well what it is not these 428 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:19,839 soft skills that are fashionable in companies, is that they are really very important 429 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,720 in things that no one can teach you. But there are people who have 430 00:33:21,759 --> 00:33:27,279 like a magnetism. No, of course, it' s not the same 431 00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:30,519 thing I' m talking about literature. Arturo Pedro at zero green that the 432 00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:35,200 lord there is a lot of literature and it is true he has interesting articles, 433 00:33:35,359 --> 00:33:37,680 that is to say I am not going in there, but it is 434 00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:40,559 not the same thing that this person presents to you maybe it connects with a 435 00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:44,200 type of person. But even if he talks about children' s literature, 436 00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:50,680 because he doesn' t connect with families, for example, he has an 437 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,240 opinion, they are also literal, of course, accurate. So, in 438 00:33:54,319 --> 00:34:00,799 the end, I think it is also very important to influence reading and I 439 00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:07,160 think that usually it has always had in particular literature, it has always followed 440 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:13,320 a lot of a profile of a very academic person, very lonely, very 441 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,320 rat. It' s just that the concept of a library rat is because 442 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:21,519 reading has always been associated with people who, if you had that to be, 443 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,199 is that even in movies, the person who reads is an ugly person, 444 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:30,079 that is, they never put you the one who' s nerd and 445 00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:32,960 reads in a movie. He' s never the popular one, he' 446 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,559 s never the pretty blonde, he' s not the other one wearing hooks, 447 00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:39,480 he' s been put on gadgets. You know it' s the 448 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,559 concept of yes that' s always that concept that you say what a girl 449 00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:45,119 with glasses and gadgets is like couldn' t be beautiful. I don' 450 00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:51,119 t know a few things, but it' s like that profile. Then 451 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:54,239 people directly associate with that sometimes. I think we need to now that we 452 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:59,000 have social networks, that we have a lot of ease to reach out to 453 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:05,599 others. You need people who know, of course they read and they know 454 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:12,880 and I felt like that perspective more than a little divulgative, but they do 455 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,880 have like that not and that there is a lot that there are many people 456 00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:20,719 as well as music or not. And in the end, people kind of 457 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,679 hook up, just like there' s fashion and lifestyle. There are a 458 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:30,800 few hundred not clear, therefore, that there are many of the others that 459 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,559 really hook and slowly break. That' s what you' re reading is 460 00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:39,599 no, it' s just no, no, no, but I think 461 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,199 there' s all the bucktockers now. I think they' re called no. 462 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,079 Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had in a mother space three years 463 00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:58,760 ago, I believe four to Sebastian Moure. I think it' s youtuber 464 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:05,440 ' s reading. I mean, I think it' s an explosion of 465 00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:10,000 influence right now. Well your own Instagram account that there are a lot of 466 00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:16,840 profiles that are emerging and very young people. Besides, because the bucktokers are 467 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:22,639 very young precisely being in Tiktok. Not perhaps the youtubers, like sebastian, 468 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:28,480 were older. They' re already in a generation. Maybe it' s 469 00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:31,199 already growing there, but those coming from Tiktok, that' s exploding. 470 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,199 Yes, yes, yes, to see it is true that now, as 471 00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:42,440 you have the ease of social networks that in the end you have as more 472 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,559 diversification and more opportunity for people to see you. Yes, that' s 473 00:36:44,559 --> 00:36:51,440 true, but still, I feel that those people always end up reaching the 474 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:57,360 people who already understand me. Yeah, I don' t know if it 475 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,000 ' s exactly like that, or yes, really. Or I' m 476 00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:01,920 sure there' s someone who didn' t read to see a youtuber and 477 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:02,639 how he likes it, at the end he hooks up, that is. 478 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,559 I believe in that possibility too, but I feel like in the end it 479 00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:09,920 ' s a little bit. Like you' re getting feedback, not like 480 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,239 that. I feel it a lot. When I give talks, I have 481 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:20,800 started to ask what the parents who have their children do and what they do. 482 00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:24,599 I don' t ask systematically, but when the talk comes very few 483 00:37:24,599 --> 00:37:30,159 people. I' m asking because I' m curious. I think that 484 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:35,440 ' s an interesting fact. They' re always teachers when there are few, 485 00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:40,239 they' re high school teachers, elementary school teachers, teachers of course, 486 00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:43,480 I' m giving a talk that' s going to interest you. 487 00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:47,840 They take notes are pending, but I' m giving a talk to people 488 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,719 who already read clear you understand that it will be enriching for them and that 489 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,880 they sure use those techniques for their children And sure that, but really, 490 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,039 those people if I hadn' t given that talk, I mean, I 491 00:38:02,039 --> 00:38:06,159 ' ve given them more tools. But if I hadn' t given that 492 00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:08,199 talk, those kids would have been readers, too. I already understand, 493 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:14,760 you know, it' s breaking like that barrier. I know, for 494 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:20,400 example, the theme of exercising or meditation. It' s one thing I 495 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,039 think you' ve done. He' s reached a point where he' 496 00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:27,360 s managed to get a little over that barrier. Even people who usually didn 497 00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:31,679 ' t used to be very sportsy or very meditative Now you might hear a 498 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:39,239 meditation podcast. No, well, I feel like I don' t know 499 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,760 if it' s too much already because of the stress. It' s 500 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:47,360 also another, but well, the body noise in the MRS. Everything. 501 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,039 In fact, this is what you' re looking at. It comes to 502 00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:54,920 my hair. But someone very close told me recently that they had recommended this 503 00:38:55,679 --> 00:39:00,960 you will love. I had recommended him to read to destress himself very well, 504 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:07,280 and he was considering reading more, reading. He' s really stressed 505 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:13,519 out. Hey, despite being the stress, now the solution to ours. 506 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,360 But some girls look, so I know what you want me to say for 507 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,519 something you have to start now. But man, I prefer the book. 508 00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:25,400 Apparently, it doesn' t seem like a hand to the s are politicians, 509 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,800 not the ventions or diazepines that I don' t get the name of 510 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,599 how complicated consumption is. It' s very high. I prefer to have 511 00:39:32,679 --> 00:39:39,360 books received. This for family doctors, stop prescribing lexatines and send us novels 512 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:45,719 would be great, it would be super cool listen to the labras I love, 513 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,719 yes, not me, because it has come to a point where I 514 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,039 am very bad to make. I mean, there are really things I' 515 00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:54,960 m good at in life and there are things I' m terrible at. 516 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,559 And one of the things that I' m terrible about is selling it is 517 00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:02,760 worth it, that is, I transmit it clearly, to me the talks 518 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,119 are great, because I transmit them with all my knowledge and all my love. 519 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,679 But I always say in all the talks and this book you can find 520 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:15,519 in any library. I mean aunt pays you something library maybe to do for 521 00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:20,320 excitement, not zero. But it really is that it has come to a 522 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,280 point where I say look, it is that you know it fucks, it 523 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:28,000 is that what I do, obviously, I like to eat is a mania 524 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,559 that I have, but still the project is that it goes so me. 525 00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:36,480 This project actually sounds ugly to say, it' s very uncommercial, but 526 00:40:36,519 --> 00:40:39,079 I didn' t do it to make money, I mean, I, 527 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,880 in reality everything always and I always put it to myself I' m never 528 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,639 going to leave geniuses and even if I stop giving money, I would keep 529 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,599 doing genius things and I could work on something else. No, but for 530 00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:54,159 me it' s like a lot more important than people read and in the 531 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,920 end I don' t care how you know, I don' t care 532 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,800 how, obviously, if they buy it from me, they do me a 533 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:06,280 favor things as they are, since I have put here the job of informing 534 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:07,800 me, of documenting me, of professionalizing me. Obviously, if I recommend 535 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,400 anything, don' t go to Amazona to buy it. Not that I 536 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:16,760 just made you the comment, but in the end there' s a point 537 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:22,159 not that I say jo is that, because I wish they would prescribe it 538 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:23,280 and if they prescribed it the doctors who were the library I would already leave 539 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:28,360 someone. I mean, in the end I don' t know if he 540 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,000 ' d wish people wouldn' t get so stressed out, but also get 541 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,719 caught. The routine of saying hears is that at night it relaxes me more, 542 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,199 reading sleep better than in addition, it is real to sleep before, 543 00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:42,519 that is, sarco the screen and after sleeping it is terrible for the dream, 544 00:41:42,679 --> 00:41:44,400 then oysters look. I realized that when I read at night it relaxes 545 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,440 me and I sleep well, so look. If that' s the formula 546 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:53,519 and that' s the way to encourage full mail reading. Not anymore, 547 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,199 yeah, it' s gonna be or it' s gonna be. We 548 00:41:58,519 --> 00:42:05,400 go eighty years saying that you eat a book and the technique was that you 549 00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:14,320 sleep bull not being stressed, you want to rest, you see, we 550 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:19,320 ' re wrong, we' re wrong. Listen as a bookmaker, you 551 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:25,800 ' re the way you see evolution. There is also the time now for 552 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,360 children' s and young people' s literature. How to comment, because 553 00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:35,320 there is a lot of talk that there is a boom of children' s 554 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,480 and youth' s books and in the media you can see it. Suddenly 555 00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:43,000 there are writers and writers or some brain of this sector that are getting more 556 00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:46,599 and more names. They' re starting to see each other more. And 557 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:54,440 the phenomenon of what adult writers when they have grown up suddenly pass on to 558 00:42:54,519 --> 00:43:00,159 children and youth as an editorial decision or move on to this sector that you 559 00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:06,599 deserve as you see it. Yeah, let' s see. I think 560 00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:13,079 there really is a sector of children that sells a lot. Okay, for 561 00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:19,840 example, baby books and books for one to five years. These books are 562 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,199 sold a lot because also the book is often understood as an educational tool, 563 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:30,360 not as leisure. Okay, well, my son needs to take his pacifier 564 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,840 off, I need to take his diaper off. So, like what I 565 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,760 ' m looking for is a little bit to find techniques, shapes, ways, 566 00:43:38,159 --> 00:43:44,239 things to help me do that. How can I explain to you what 567 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,840 language he used then? There the story is used a lot. That' 568 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:52,599 s why there are so many stories of emotional education, so many stories of 569 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:58,880 taking off your diaper and sleeping the griefs, the losses, the separations, 570 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,239 it goes as a prescription for doctors doctor' s prescription stories, what to 571 00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,840 do, what book to choose. If I' ve gone over x things, 572 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:07,159 then, in that sense, I do think there' s like a 573 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:14,440 boom, then there' s like a bum, there' s a considerable 574 00:44:14,559 --> 00:44:16,679 drop, when it' s already reading for leisure. Not then is the 575 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,840 time of obligatory reading when all parents buy books, because children are learning to 576 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,840 read and have to read books, pro learn. But then there' s 577 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:29,920 a certain bassinet, no more because of the leisure thing. But that' 578 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,639 s also so much illustrated album, so much I actually count more than novel. 579 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,519 What is sold, what is much, many promotions of storytelling, of 580 00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:40,519 storytelling, because they are tales as very educational. So, let' s 581 00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:43,800 see, I think it' s positive. On the one hand, it 582 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,119 is very positive that parents resort to storytelling as an educational tool. I mean, 583 00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:52,199 I think it' s super cool that they consider it and give it 584 00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:55,000 that value they really have, because it' s true that that value exists. 585 00:44:57,559 --> 00:45:01,239 But at the same time I am a little sad that you get lost 586 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:07,239 with the sense of enjoying a book. I' ve learned nothing from this 587 00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:10,440 book, but I' ve had so much fun. Of course it was 588 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:15,559 a murder book. There was a detective. I mean nothing has been read, 589 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:21,480 but I don' t know. No, but it' s because 590 00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:24,480 you have me to do this, better person, no, why you have 591 00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:30,199 to teach me this to manage my emotions, that it' s great that 592 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,599 I have books and I turn to them for this. But I think that 593 00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:42,480 sometimes the same, now that we' re in the boom, we should 594 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:49,079 also try to encourage authors to make books just for the sake of art, 595 00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:54,519 so that the child takes the book and says oyster that I' ve had 596 00:45:54,559 --> 00:45:55,840 fun, not that they don' t have so much sense of morality. 597 00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:04,119 They' re looking for parents to class mothers. Yes, yes, it 598 00:46:04,119 --> 00:46:06,159 is, on the one hand, I' m glad, but on the 599 00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:12,079 other, I' m afraid that, following this trend, we forget the 600 00:46:12,119 --> 00:46:16,559 meaning also of literature, which is to have a good time and that the 601 00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:20,039 older books, more of an older reader. You miss this sense that I 602 00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:22,920 ' m reading because I like to read it myself. I' m having 603 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,679 a good time reading, but, well, we have to start with something. 604 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:30,599 Then start with the book as an education. Well, little by little 605 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:38,639 we go little by little space, but yes, yes, because besides encouraging 606 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:44,920 taste for reading, each one enters for something. But I' m sure 607 00:46:45,039 --> 00:46:52,280 you have a little book or some of those books you started with, and 608 00:46:52,559 --> 00:47:00,639 they probably wouldn' t have any morals, or maybe I' d get 609 00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:02,159 out later, but I didn' t mean to. You don' t 610 00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:09,159 remember what your oyster initiation books are. Yeah, that' s true. 611 00:47:09,559 --> 00:47:12,679 There' s a lot of books I' ve liked, but I think 612 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,000 I always have, like, two. There are two that are, like 613 00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:19,159 me or, the ones that I remember with the most. Now that I 614 00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:22,079 ' m older. Okay, well, of course, now that I' 615 00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:27,639 m older, I mean, I remember the memories of childhood, that I 616 00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,880 remember them as with a lot of affection. One of these today, her 617 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:37,239 little sister, I' ll tell you why and the other is Matilda de 618 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,360 Rovaldal, the one about you Little sister is because I, when my brother 619 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:44,719 was born, I was six years old and it' s just that I 620 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:50,400 had just learned to read as well as more fluid, as alone without help 621 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:55,280 already And then I, as I liked to read so much and I felt 622 00:47:55,320 --> 00:48:00,719 that books had there was the knowledge of the world, then I was how 623 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:07,360 I need you to buy me a story so that I know how to be 624 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:07,360 older, because now I have a greater responsibility and I' m not prepared. 625 00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:09,719 Okay like, I have to prepare myself, I have to study how 626 00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,400 this is going to be. And my mother, she' s like a 627 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,039 child. Well, anyway, then he bought me tea and it' s 628 00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:21,440 fermanita or I read it like I' ve never read a book twice. 629 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,400 I' m not one of those people unless it' s the book, 630 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,360 like I like it so much the same. I read it to myself, 631 00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:34,719 but with a lot of time between once and the other, otherwise I' 632 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,679 ll have the good taste and that' s what I have left. I 633 00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:37,440 ' ll keep it in the tintry. I think it' s so cute. 634 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:42,119 It usually stays the same here. I read some fragment, but it 635 00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:44,719 ' s a wake- up call. Normally not, and that book I 636 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:49,360 remember that I read it to myself anyway, I don' t know it 637 00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:52,519 was like I wanted to memorize all the words of that book for me to 638 00:48:54,800 --> 00:49:00,320 be a catalog sister, anyway and then Matilda' s read it to me 639 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,000 a little bit older and I think it was from those books that you empathize 640 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,760 with so much because in the end, I know, well, we repeat 641 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:13,480 the same before reading either, that is, when I was little, reading 642 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:14,880 was also not cly in the eyes of other children. I mean you weren 643 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,800 ' t popular and you read it wasn' t what to do in the 644 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,320 yard. Then, when I discovered this character, I thought oysters is that 645 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,840 there are other children, although in this school context in which I find myself, 646 00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:29,639 since there is not much reader, I do not finish empathizing in that 647 00:49:29,679 --> 00:49:31,800 sense with anyone. There are other children who also like to read as much 648 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,559 as I do, and it is not that they are scratches without powers. 649 00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:38,039 You know, Matira guy' s a really cool chick No. So the 650 00:49:38,159 --> 00:49:45,079 idea that it gave me as a change of perspective is not like it helped 651 00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:47,519 me feel better about that part of me that didn' t end up very 652 00:49:47,559 --> 00:49:55,000 well understanding me inside that childish universe. Those two are like I don' 653 00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:58,119 t know what came in the moment. It' s just that many times 654 00:49:58,159 --> 00:50:01,320 books have to come in the moment. It' s true, too. 655 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:06,800 That' s why you have to have a lot of children and rums that 656 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,519 they can choose there and make mistakes too, sure a book that you didn 657 00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:15,960 ' t like at all and suddenly you say I hate it. Yeah, 658 00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:20,079 that' s what you learn a lot from, too. You also learn 659 00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:24,079 a lot, in fact, to write as you learn the most is by 660 00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:30,280 reading very good books, obviously, and by reading very bad books so that 661 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:31,440 you say stripping why I didn' t like it. Then you start to 662 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:36,400 see. Of course, when I do this, it' s that bad. 663 00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:38,800 I' m writing it and I don' t realize it, but 664 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:44,000 Ostras looks, when you read it off oysters it gets really bad. I 665 00:50:44,119 --> 00:50:46,880 don' t mean like that, I learn too. Of course, and 666 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:51,119 this brings me phenomenally to the point that I wasn' t prepared for the 667 00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:55,079 next problem. As a good reader. You' ve already moved on to 668 00:50:57,159 --> 00:51:02,679 the facet of writer Judith telling us, how that process has been your first 669 00:51:02,679 --> 00:51:07,920 novel, tell us, what it' s called where the link was to 670 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,199 buy it in your store, which I' m sure you had. Yes, 671 00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:19,920 yes, tell us the experience of becoming a writer, as it is 672 00:51:20,039 --> 00:51:23,639 a very great experience. It' s an amazing step. The novel is 673 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:30,840 called secret language and you can find it, evidently, in genines readers com 674 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:36,719 and good to see is that it was all very sporadic. I' ve 675 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,360 been writing since I liked to read. I always wrote in parallel as I 676 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:45,159 read or read and wrote small. I also spent my free time, for 677 00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:52,400 I made things up and I never dared to present manuscripts to the sites at 678 00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:59,360 all, because one thing also that happens to you when you read is that 679 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,519 you compare yourself to other people that you have read and of course you, 680 00:52:02,639 --> 00:52:07,920 the Judith of twenty twenty- two, twenty- three years, twenty- 681 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,039 four does not write as well as Rudurera Omerser of forty. I don' 682 00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:14,840 t want to say let' s see, no, no, we' 683 00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:19,239 re not then, of course, the comparisons are odious and I all I 684 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:25,840 wrote in the end was like Jordanian that it' s not so well either 685 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:31,480 I don' t know, and in the end this manuscript I had already 686 00:52:31,519 --> 00:52:31,800 written to send it to a contest of planet and youth literature and I sent 687 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:37,000 it. I said look girl, what I know is worth I Balantón and 688 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,320 sent it. Obviously, I didn' t win. He won a book, 689 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:44,199 because as a romantic it has nothing to do with the subject matter is 690 00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,000 that of course what to say if they were looking for such books. Evidently, 691 00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:52,159 mine wasn' t because it wasn' t such an eye- catching 692 00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,800 genre and nothing happened. But of course, when I didn' t win 693 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:59,920 I said see. Indeed, she was a chusta. And then I thought, 694 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:01,599 well, not maybe, it wasn' t the time, maybe, 695 00:53:01,679 --> 00:53:05,000 it wasn' t what they were looking for. Maybe, I don' 696 00:53:05,079 --> 00:53:07,039 t know, maybe it' s not the publisher. Maybe not a thousand 697 00:53:07,159 --> 00:53:14,679 things. And after about ten two years I was in my bookstore, which 698 00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:20,800 at that time was still physical and came out in instagram a maybe you know. 699 00:53:21,519 --> 00:53:23,679 No. This is a bit of publicity, a publishing house called the 700 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:28,559 consensual one, and it' s from Valencia, which is the city. 701 00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:32,480 I' m good, the community is seeing me now and it' s 702 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,880 the consensual one. He had a wolfcat. I have a cat and it 703 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,400 ' s black, just like after the spoiled one and I said oyster if 704 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:43,159 you imagine me publishing the spoiled one, which is like I' m not 705 00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:47,960 aware of you or how it' s very cool not and it has a 706 00:53:49,079 --> 00:53:57,519 black canton like you alone me saying it' s already you know, the 707 00:53:57,639 --> 00:53:59,800 stars are lining up some things in the end and I' m just self 708 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,440 - convincing this is my friend. I' m not giving internal spirits and 709 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:07,760 they said they were looking for good, that they were opening up manuscript reception 710 00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:12,239 and it was Christmas and I said that Bonico not life has consented to a 711 00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:20,079 black cat. I know ahead and I sent it and also I sent it 712 00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:24,559 a little hater you know it sends and I answered if you won' t 713 00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:27,800 love me not like that, but like look, if you didn' t 714 00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,519 like it. Please, I' d appreciate it if you didn' t 715 00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:35,480 ignore the message and tell me why you didn' t take it because sometimes 716 00:54:35,519 --> 00:54:36,639 I feel a lot of frustration and I need to know. Look what you 717 00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,280 ' re telling me Look, this book, because I know the subject doesn 718 00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,199 ' t matter, or I don' t know. I mean, anything 719 00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:45,239 Look, check it out because it' s not well written, anything that 720 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:50,079 helps me get better, because if I don' t send stuff, and 721 00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:52,800 I' m sending something horrible. You know, and I' m not 722 00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:57,880 aware, because no one' s telling me right away. They answered me 723 00:54:58,119 --> 00:55:00,480 calmly that if we do not tell you, because I what way for God 724 00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:06,599 and nothing. Two or three weeks later I was told that they had taken 725 00:55:06,599 --> 00:55:09,280 it, that is, that they were going to publish me and that my 726 00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:16,159 editor was called hope. I mean, I can' t conscience anymore, 727 00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,960 I mean, and he spoke to my mother and he leaves her alone this 728 00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:27,119 logic is that, of course, Mom, I want everything there is nothing. 729 00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:30,440 Already, a year and a half that was published goes for the second 730 00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:37,719 edition. It' s pretty good and I' ve been invited to go 731 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:42,280 to the Madrid Book Fair. What do you say yes, yes and based 732 00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:47,360 on incredible yes, June 15th, fantastic man. Well, I' m 733 00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:51,199 going, yeah, yeah. That' s good, so I' m 734 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:55,920 very happy because the truth is that and it' s giving me a lot 735 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:02,800 of joys the book is, yeah, listen and tell a little bit of 736 00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,159 the argument so that our audience will open up appetite there. The book is 737 00:56:07,159 --> 00:56:09,320 a written novel. It' s very short, it reads super fast. 738 00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:14,079 It' s written two voices. On the one hand, the voice of 739 00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:17,679 light, which is the grandmother of the protagonist, who is also quite protagonist, 740 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,559 because she has a voice of her own and or Livia, which is 741 00:56:22,639 --> 00:56:27,360 the granddaughter, then we see the youth more or less of light. We 742 00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,239 see a little bit of adulthood as well, but especially Olivia' s youth 743 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,559 in parallel with light is worth it, this is like one of the threads 744 00:56:34,679 --> 00:56:37,239 and the other, in fact, of the girl is that Olivia just died 745 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:42,159 Grandma. The first page is not a spoiler. And then, in Grandma 746 00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,039 ' s apartment that' s picking up stuff and stuff, there' s 747 00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:49,079 a book that doesn' t know what it says. That' s why 748 00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:52,239 it' s a secret language. And then, throughout the book, apart 749 00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:58,639 from the concerns of adolescence, his first love, the problems in high school, 750 00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:05,159 the grades and so on, he needs to know how that part of 751 00:57:05,199 --> 00:57:07,280 the grandmother he didn' t know, as the most intimate part of woman, 752 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:13,599 not the facet of grandmother he gave to her. And then he does 753 00:57:13,679 --> 00:57:19,800 several things to try to decipher And in parallel, let' s see that 754 00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,400 it' s the part, that part of adolescence, of the yaya that 755 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:30,360 actually, because you see that the problems are very similar, but in a 756 00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:34,280 totally different context, then you can go looking like one dance and the other 757 00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:38,239 not. And so it' s interesting. He' s got a point 758 00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:44,599 there of love mystery. Family is also very important. Magic' s out 759 00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:47,079 there, too It' s cool. It' s okay. It' 760 00:57:47,079 --> 00:57:52,800 s okay. It' s okay. It says please, you have to 761 00:57:52,079 --> 00:58:00,000 tie up resourceful readers and buy it, because it can be the debut novel 762 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:07,559 of reading. For example, you see this one next, a literary star 763 00:58:07,239 --> 00:58:14,119 and you will have in your hands this woman' s first novel so do 764 00:58:14,199 --> 00:58:15,599 not lose it, please, and besides, it will come to the cold 765 00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:20,880 of the book, that is, Madrid, and there I will be undeserving, 766 00:58:21,239 --> 00:58:22,480 please, that this is not the case that you are already in Madrid. 767 00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:24,840 I' m sorry, I' m sorry I' m from Madrid. 768 00:58:27,239 --> 00:58:30,039 I can' t help it, but there' s a lot of 769 00:58:30,039 --> 00:58:31,119 fairs. Now they' re doing all the frisis in the book. Now 770 00:58:31,159 --> 00:58:35,280 it' s all over Spain, everywhere there are fairs. It has started 771 00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:44,159 with Saint Jordi in Barcelona. It' s like it doesn' t open 772 00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:50,480 there the season of fairs and you' ve been just as much of a 773 00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:52,519 fair recently you' re putting it through networks and nothing else. Yes, 774 00:58:52,719 --> 00:58:55,559 please, how cool that is to say to the cinema, that is, 775 00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:00,960 when I made it clear I wrote a bookshop that I also love, whether 776 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:06,639 I print it you know it, but well, that one seems very cool, 777 00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:07,800 because they also do like lots of activities. You have to give me 778 00:59:08,159 --> 00:59:12,920 a lot of involvement in poetry activities and so on. And when they wrote 779 00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,480 to me, they told me you came to your booth. I say clear 780 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,079 apology, I started looking at the authors in the Madrid line these days and 781 00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:20,920 I say, Mother of God, people, but it' s amazing. 782 00:59:21,679 --> 00:59:24,119 But there' s one thing. Besides, it makes a lot of illusion 783 00:59:24,199 --> 00:59:28,320 because I have never gone to the fair in Madrid, and I have never 784 00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,760 gone to the fair in Barcelona because it is my city, obviously, to 785 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,679 the Dalencia also because it catches me here and as a bookmaker, it has 786 00:59:32,719 --> 00:59:37,159 gone to many little ones, but to the one in Madrid I have never 787 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:44,800 taken three days that I say girl we go with everything, it sells with 788 00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:52,079 the suitcase of entry, because the fair of the book gives, but well, 789 00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:52,760 it is using audience and closing because it is a doom. It' 790 00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,079 s the doom, but well it' s discount there' s always about 791 00:59:55,079 --> 00:59:57,880 ten percent. I think it' s clear. And it also helped you 792 00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:02,199 sleep. So I mean, it' s a case that that pressure is 793 01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:07,559 actually dead. Sure, an investment. You' re not gonna spend it 794 01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:12,000 on therapy. So, first up to therapy you also have to go, 795 01:00:12,159 --> 01:00:19,639 but there are books. They can be substitutes for many other things and some 796 01:00:19,639 --> 01:00:22,039 yes, yes, yes, so you' re going to smoke. Not 797 01:00:22,239 --> 01:00:24,679 a book is good, not cheaper. Ah you can do calculus here. 798 01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:30,719 It' s cheaper, because not the books. In fact, for everything 799 01:00:31,079 --> 01:00:36,320 all the subject, for everything that moves one leg of the table, because 800 01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,760 also a small one. Also some, some are very well placed there because 801 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:44,480 you say that we have not spoken, because it gives for much, but 802 01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:47,559 there are also very bad books and yes, yes, yes, and there 803 01:00:47,639 --> 01:00:51,639 must also be bad books. Of course, we' ve talked about it, 804 01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,480 because you said that' s what you really learn from, and I 805 01:00:54,480 --> 01:01:00,960 totally agree. With you reading bad literature, learn a lot. Yeah, 806 01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,440 and that' s how you see what you like what you don' t 807 01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,679 like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there' s got to be everything, 808 01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,320 there' s got to be everything. And also at the book fair 809 01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:13,119 there are things like that, you have to go through and look. Sure, 810 01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:16,079 and it' s wonderful. I was going to Freda The book is 811 01:01:16,159 --> 01:01:19,320 cool because you' re seeing people you didn' t know were still alive. 812 01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,679 It' s true. It' s true, because all of a 813 01:01:24,719 --> 01:01:30,239 sudden you find people and you say what' s good or what' s 814 01:01:30,239 --> 01:01:34,159 good for them. I' m glad you want it. It' s 815 01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,360 a very good experience and that' s it. Last year it says horrible 816 01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:40,599 heat. I don' t know. This year depends a little bit on 817 01:01:40,679 --> 01:01:45,599 the season, but immense heat waves. So come prepared nothing and pyric and 818 01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:52,880 a good book. One of the bad guys I' d be to fan 819 01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,960 you. Yes, yes, exactly. We' re not going to say, 820 01:01:57,079 --> 01:01:58,800 we' re not going to give examples. That everyone who then decides 821 01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:04,840 anyone has ever fanned me with one. For me it may be chance. 822 01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:09,400 It may be chance Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, 823 01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:09,400 hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, 824 01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:09,400 hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, 825 01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:09,400 hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, 826 01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:09,400 hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, 827 01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:15,079 hey, hey, hey, hey. What they can ask you for, 828 01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:22,440 what services you are offering, what they can ask you for right now, 829 01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:29,119 in what kind of workshops, what content you offer right now so that 830 01:02:29,199 --> 01:02:34,679 people who listen to us, have it there at hand and when you need 831 01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:39,639 a little person this low for Dan Ayer, because you go to Judith and 832 01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:44,840 remember genre readers, because look right now. I' m doing good. 833 01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:49,559 I do individual counseling for families, because if they have any doubts, above 834 01:02:49,679 --> 01:02:52,159 all they are more concrete doubts. You don' t have Lexia better, 835 01:02:52,599 --> 01:02:54,599 and I' d like to know what kind of books you recommend. Do 836 01:02:54,639 --> 01:02:59,760 a little follow- up to see how those things progress. You can find 837 01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:06,280 the website information about this type of advice. After a little bit of doing 838 01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,760 club geniuses Readers, which is also online for families. It' s like 839 01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:15,280 a kind of home reading club and it' s cool because we have a 840 01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:21,760 platform on which every month I recommend different books depending on the level of the 841 01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,800 little one I recommend three books each month, one for each level. And 842 01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:30,719 it also provides activities that you can download at home to do the work of 843 01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:37,000 reading comprehension of those books and to be able to play with those books as 844 01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:43,519 family activities to strengthen understanding while spending a little time with them and enjoying reading. 845 01:03:44,599 --> 01:03:47,880 And in this very club of genius readers there is also a forum where 846 01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:52,039 families can ask any kind of questions about readings, about anything else and I, 847 01:03:52,239 --> 01:03:55,519 therefore, answer them and you can do very cool debates and once a 848 01:03:55,719 --> 01:04:01,519 month we do a group counseling. I' ll hook up 45 minutes if 849 01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:04,480 you can ask me all the questions you want. We have a debate and 850 01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:10,760 this month is super cool because there is also one of the authors of one 851 01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,960 of the books, because we also talk about the book and we can connect 852 01:04:14,039 --> 01:04:15,880 the children too, because to ask questions to the author. I think it 853 01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:17,599 ' s gonna be really cool. That. On the other hand, the 854 01:04:17,639 --> 01:04:21,360 Club de Genios Lectores. There is also information on the web and then more 855 01:04:23,079 --> 01:04:29,039 topic, it is already more institutional topic, I mean, I do workshops 856 01:04:29,719 --> 01:04:33,159 in schools, both for the teaks, be such workshops to encourage the reader, 857 01:04:33,159 --> 01:04:38,920 of animation, to read both for primary children and that how to talk 858 01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:45,880 to teachers or lists of books in order to complete the library on specific topics, 859 01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:50,639 on dinominization of the reading, the library and so on, and in 860 01:04:50,719 --> 01:04:56,280 this same way I also work with libraries, making children' s reading clubs. 861 01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,159 They' ve released a super cool one, which is the family reading 862 01:05:00,159 --> 01:05:04,719 club. And then here in a bookstore, in the library of a polégito, 863 01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:08,639 from here to the side that is called wave, and then the kids 864 01:05:08,719 --> 01:05:15,280 come with the parents and we all comment on the book together and we do 865 01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,800 as activities of that reflection, we do children debates with adults and it is 866 01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:24,360 created as a very cool environment. So well, hey it' s about 867 01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:30,840 commenting on the chicken pepe Hey look, for example, listen no, but 868 01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:38,199 it' s very nice because we decided it the POLLOPEP to see that the 869 01:05:38,199 --> 01:05:40,400 chicken Pepe has a lot, has an incredible facio. It' s just, 870 01:05:40,519 --> 01:05:45,039 well, that' s what I' m telling you, jo, 871 01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:50,400 he' s a bentcheller, but it' s like, I didn' 872 01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:55,559 t know him until I was a mother. I understood the power of chicken 873 01:05:56,480 --> 01:06:01,320 pepe Yes, yes, yes, yes, total, total, but yes. 874 01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,039 And besides, you can learn a lot of vocabulary. It is a 875 01:06:04,119 --> 01:06:08,840 very striking format, that is to say eye, but I don' t 876 01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:13,840 know it' s cool because if you do as activities involving families, not 877 01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:18,079 my last obsession of these, this last band of genius readers, since the 878 01:06:18,199 --> 01:06:24,159 last year, has been to involve adults, teachers and parents a lot, 879 01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:28,119 because in the end, I, at the beginning, was focusing a lot 880 01:06:28,239 --> 01:06:31,239 on children' s activities that I keep doing them, I keep doing the 881 01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,960 nicoles when they call me bo and I don' t care, Barcelona, 882 01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:36,880 Valencia, I don' t care, I move, but in Madrid it 883 01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:43,480 hasn' t done any yet. Uh, now, when it' s 884 01:06:43,519 --> 01:06:47,280 in the first book they' re gonna meet you and then it was all 885 01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,280 about shooting no, but I used to do it more for kids. And, 886 01:06:49,559 --> 01:06:53,599 obviously, I enjoy these activities very much and I continue to do them. 887 01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,239 But this past year I have been focusing a lot on families and teachers, 888 01:06:57,559 --> 01:07:00,559 because I think that without them it has that adult support, it is 889 01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:08,360 very difficult to achieve real results and to involve them in this type of activities, 890 01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,559 to generate spaces where there are people of different ages. It is also 891 01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:15,199 very enriching for children to see that they are working with children who are eight 892 01:07:15,199 --> 01:07:18,880 years old. They have four and what expresses to you the four, which 893 01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:26,440 has like much more spontaneity, but has less reading of nonfluency versus the other 894 01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:30,280 no. And make that kind of debate, that kind of feedback. I 895 01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,519 think it works very well. It' s very difficult to do, but 896 01:07:33,639 --> 01:07:39,960 it works very well and the result is as much, I' m more 897 01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:43,840 satisfied, but it' s also harder to sell, because people are real 898 01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,360 that sometimes it' s normal, we' re all very busy and sometimes 899 01:07:47,519 --> 01:07:56,159 what we expect with the activities is to rest, that is, the more 900 01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:56,719 clearly less stress it' s like total it' s all going there. 901 01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:05,199 But yes, yesterday they reduce that book, reduce stress with these books. 902 01:08:08,239 --> 01:08:12,440 You' ll see how full it is, for eye is a little. 903 01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,560 Like I' m gonna think about it, but it' s kind of 904 01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:21,039 true. If you do remember me and you have given fifty- fifty is 905 01:08:21,159 --> 01:08:30,319 truly sponsored. You can imagine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, hey, 906 01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,479 but I think that I' ll give it to you, I' ll 907 01:08:34,039 --> 01:08:38,239 leave it there fried for you alone no, but it' s kind of 908 01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:41,199 like that. It is true that sometimes poor jo parents come there all day 909 01:08:41,239 --> 01:08:44,399 working and when looking for an activity, they also think a little look, 910 01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,119 because I will take advantage, to leave the child here a horita to learn 911 01:08:47,159 --> 01:08:49,560 and such and I will go to make the purchase or then make it clear 912 01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:56,199 when you try to involve them. Sometimes but I stay, I' m 913 01:08:56,319 --> 01:09:02,680 afraid I am poor, but you' re going to watch worse this with 914 01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:09,119 them we' re going to sleep. I don' t see, no, 915 01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:13,560 you' re gonna punch yourself in boxing Don' t stay here and 916 01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,239 you' re gonna relax more. It' s really hard. It is 917 01:09:16,199 --> 01:09:23,840 true that we need more humane days. This as a reflection in general, 918 01:09:24,159 --> 01:09:29,760 not to stress us so much, not to arrive dead at the end of 919 01:09:30,199 --> 01:09:34,199 the day and to have real time to be able to employ it in activities. 920 01:09:34,359 --> 01:09:36,640 So, you know they' re not alone. It' s not 921 01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:40,239 that I have to take advantage of these forty- five minutes, that literal, 922 01:09:40,359 --> 01:09:45,640 which is that maybe those forty- five minutes involved in eight hundred other 923 01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:55,039 things, because to exercise maybe you know and it is to stress totally, 924 01:09:55,479 --> 01:10:03,960 because you know friends, this woman does everything so if you need anything related 925 01:10:04,119 --> 01:10:12,199 to literature, advice Council. Comment, doubt suggestion, because you have it 926 01:10:12,319 --> 01:10:17,560 on Instagram, especially available through its generic reader profile, and there you can 927 01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:21,520 find all the information about his project, his book, his novel, and 928 01:10:23,039 --> 01:10:25,840 he tells us about the workshops when he comes to the fair. I' 929 01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:30,600 m sure he tells it there too, truth and nothing, that it' 930 01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:33,479 s been a pleasure to chat with you, which has been very relaxing. 931 01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:40,760 This I hope for people too, that they have learned something, that they 932 01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:46,800 have entertained and are relaxed. Here' s some milk. They' re 933 01:10:47,159 --> 01:10:50,560 all reading it, too, all of a sudden you can imagine. Hey, 934 01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:54,640 hey, it' d be like they take a picture or something and 935 01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:58,960 burn you. I was thinking about being a generation. Well you then travel 936 01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:00,840 on your cell phone, then I' ll stop moving next door, that 937 01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:08,920 is the photo, first I post and then I can flog. It' 938 01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:15,079 s okay to sleep next door and to read that Coreo. It would be 939 01:11:15,159 --> 01:11:19,920 beautiful, eh man, it would be super nice and I don' t 940 01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:25,680 know how it takes away you label Judith and me and say look, I 941 01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,520 relaxed him. True, I mean, it would be beautiful. I wish 942 01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:32,159 they would do it a lot, I would share all maneuvers a folder in 943 01:11:32,159 --> 01:11:35,560 highlight only of that, truth, or there are so many things that can 944 01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:39,319 be done. It would really be super pretty. Yeah, well, nothing. 945 01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,039 We stay here with ideas. It' s just that we keep creating. 946 01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:48,680 We haven' t just created, Judith, we don' t have 947 01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:50,760 any previous friends that we' re leaving. I' m sure I' 948 01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:55,199 ll talk another time and I hope to see you at the book fair to 949 01:11:55,279 --> 01:12:01,439 see if I' m lucky and agree with you, because I' d 950 01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:02,720 love to see you around here and give you a super hug surrounded by books. 951 01:12:04,359 --> 01:12:10,640 It has to be and very lucky that it goes very well genius readers 952 01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:15,199 and that it goes very well also with your studies, with all the projects 953 01:12:15,239 --> 01:12:20,600 that you are taking out and above all that a lot of literature is generated 954 01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:24,600 around you, that is what you like. Oh. Thank you very much. 955 01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:30,000 That' s a pretty good shot. It' s been a real 956 01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,520 pleasure. Thank you very much, friends. We' re leaving. I 957 01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:38,560 hope you enjoyed it. I will, of course, leave all of Judith 958 01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:43,800 ' s project information promised in the program notes and we will hear each other 959 01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:45,279 again in a forthcoming episode. Good morning. Mother, wait and please, 960 01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:51,000 listen to them before I go you' re reading. Now that I' 961 01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:56,159 m reading. I' m reading Eva Baltasar' s mammoth. All right, 962 01:12:56,479 --> 01:13:01,840 all right, well, spectacular recommendation coming up. Yeah, all right, 963 01:13:02,399 --> 01:13:05,479 well, Yudit' s recommendation. I' m reading myself. I 964 01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:12,920 ordered Naomiclane. So there' s double recommendation, recommend women. Besides, 965 01:13:13,119 --> 01:13:17,560 cool how cool or cool I love it. I wasn' t really prepared, 966 01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,239 promised. We' re leaving We' ll be back. Ask everyone 967 01:13:20,319 --> 01:13:21,800 goodbye. Bye.