1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:06,000 Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the ending of the plan The 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:12,839 Apes Retrospective. I am the rank Master. I am the rank Master, 3 00:00:13,599 --> 00:00:20,600 dressed down. I'm joined by what a wonderful day the bad ape Taylor Field, 4 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,519 Well in these times, like when he's doing that, I'm just gonna 5 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:25,800 throw it like that. I didn't do it this time, but I'm just 6 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,600 gonnam there in the middle. Am I gonna do it again? We'll see. 7 00:00:28,879 --> 00:00:32,479 I guess the next Apes movie. Are we gonna have to revamp our 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:38,159 rankings when that one comes out and they eventually do like seven more, seven 9 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,439 more, we'll have to know the next one. We can just slide it 10 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:46,320 into wherever slither it in. Year old and we're re ranking the Apes movies 11 00:00:46,359 --> 00:00:53,200 like, Yeah, I remember Charlton, Nest ANDVA. I don't make them 12 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,039 like they used to. Yeah, I wonder if there's ever a chance where 13 00:00:57,079 --> 00:01:00,039 we could be How old is Charlton Heston? Hey, let's see Charles alive? 14 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,880 No, he's dead. Yeah, okay, I killed them with my 15 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,719 bare hands. Oh, let's see, how did you got to eighty four? 16 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,480 So I'm gonna say there's probably not a chance that we're I was gonna 17 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,000 say, is there a chance that we're doing the podcast older than him? 18 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,959 But I don't think we're gonna be doing this when we're eighty five. I'll 19 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,719 just venture it out. We're gonna make it to eighty five, like one 20 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,840 of us at least for sure. Me. I got the Yeah, I 21 00:01:22,879 --> 00:01:26,719 got the purest blood in the land. You're built on a lime Rickey's I 22 00:01:26,719 --> 00:01:32,040 don't know. That's fine. There's no tumbles off the fucking bike. Man, 23 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,159 there's castles on my body. Gonna shoot me, just bounce right off 24 00:01:36,239 --> 00:01:37,959 me. We're not here to talk about that. We're here. We'll talk 25 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,239 about plumby Eies because as usual, what we do can go back. Everyone 26 00:01:41,359 --> 00:01:44,480 know what's this episode about. We did a retrospective which here at Geek Versus 27 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,200 we go and review each and every film. We look at where it's places 28 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:51,079 in the history of the franchise, talk about some trivia always up into leading 29 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,959 to a new film, which we did. So we've reviewed all. I'm 30 00:01:53,959 --> 00:01:59,079 gonna say this correct hopefully correctly. Nine apes movies, now right? Did 31 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,719 you guys have nine? Your rankings for movies for ten? I had eleven? 32 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,840 Just kidding, I have one, two, three, four, five, 33 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,360 six, seven, eight, nine, ten, ten. What one 34 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:15,199 am I missing? The New One movie or the remake? I got that 35 00:02:16,199 --> 00:02:21,080 beneath the Conquest Escape. Oh I know which one I'm missing. Okay, 36 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,039 so we're gonna do that last. But yeah, what we're gonna do is 37 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:24,560 we're going to what we do with any of these retros is we do a 38 00:02:24,599 --> 00:02:29,520 ranking special. So we're gonna rank our top five scenes, we're gonna rank 39 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,319 our top ten characters, and we're gonna rank the film. So, kirkha 40 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,199 pats Are, I'm gonna give you the floor you're just boasted about. So 41 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:42,360 give me your top five scenes. Okay. I'm gonna use some honorable mentions 42 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,800 here because it was tough to squeeze them in here. I'm gonna honorable mention 43 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:52,840 the Mark Wahlberg discovery, like at the very end when he thinks that he's 44 00:02:53,039 --> 00:02:57,639 the reason why I bring that one up is because that's like almost more so 45 00:02:57,719 --> 00:03:00,360 than the Charlton Heston one, like as a wee young lad, I was 46 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,199 the one that just stuck with me the most, idea I had just seen 47 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:07,599 that first, Like I don't know it just little Kirkland. That one just 48 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,199 stuck and like freaked me out because I don't know. I was just expecting 49 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,120 like a happy ending, and then you have the apes there It's like, 50 00:03:13,159 --> 00:03:19,080 oh my god, he's Graham Lincoln. Abraham Lincoln. Yeah exactly. I 51 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:24,879 also have the takeover in Conquest when they just hits the fan and it gets 52 00:03:24,879 --> 00:03:29,680 really really brutal and violence. Just the chaos of that scene. How many 53 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:36,199 movie parts are in it, it's pretty. And then I also have uh, 54 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,520 oh wow, okay, I'm gonna have to move that I I had. 55 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,080 Yeah, I'm gonna take it out Taylor's Discovery at the end of the 56 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,840 big what the fuck moment, I'll mention that as well. I'm removing it. 57 00:03:49,919 --> 00:03:53,039 Yeah, that movie for the first movie that's like, oh my gosh, 58 00:03:53,080 --> 00:04:02,120 I'm sure on your list. It's not what a wonderful it arguably the 59 00:04:02,159 --> 00:04:05,639 biggest twist in history. You're taking off your tophet? Is I caught? 60 00:04:05,759 --> 00:04:10,120 Like, I mean, it's iconic, But in my memory, clearly I 61 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:14,800 mentioned the wall. Well I did. I did, like on this viewing 62 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:21,600 at least right, there's some tailor level bullshit here. Okay, I mentioned 63 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:27,560 that one mentioned that one. Oh in the stinking pause, I'm taking that 64 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,959 one off too audible mention. There you go, get your damn stinky pause 65 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:36,360 off me, fuckers. Whatever the he said, damn dirty, damn dirty 66 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:43,879 Brent. Okay, So my actual list, starting at the bottom. I 67 00:04:43,879 --> 00:04:48,560 I'm putting no Aldo know on here are you over, the Statue of liber 68 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:55,120 living on so much further on my memory like Statue of Memories, Statue of 69 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,879 Memories, the Statue of Liberty. It's it's it's okay. No. Although, 70 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:01,959 oh that has become like a staple meme every time I want to say 71 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:08,399 to someone, I just want to say, Noel do no. After that, 72 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:13,480 I have the battle amongst Coba and Caesar at the end of Dawn, 73 00:05:14,439 --> 00:05:17,839 fucking epic as hell. I have apes on horseback from the original movie when 74 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,839 we have the horns going off, just the first time that we see like 75 00:05:20,959 --> 00:05:29,120 apes on horseback. Yeah, just fantastic. Oh, this one's slithered on 76 00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:39,319 here unintentionally. I have eight. I have the apes swarming the human camp 77 00:05:39,399 --> 00:05:44,680 in Dawn, just when they when they all arise, just their demonstration of 78 00:05:44,759 --> 00:05:47,839 power there you mean, at the beginning with Caesar when they're like warning them, 79 00:05:47,959 --> 00:05:58,399 like yeah, just just like the factuum if you come back word for 80 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:11,120 word, that's the extended edition, Okay, and then I have Yeah, 81 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,560 so I said, apes swarm the human camp, apes on horseback, Noel 82 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:21,959 don't know, Okay, Coba Battle. I think the twist is back on 83 00:06:23,079 --> 00:06:25,800 there. It sounds like it. Yeah, no it is, Okay, 84 00:06:25,959 --> 00:06:28,839 Tatter's Discovery. I had my list not numbered and just throw it on there. 85 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,279 So so your number one scene of the franchise is when the apes just 86 00:06:31,439 --> 00:06:35,079 uh they show up and they say we could fuck you up and Dawn. 87 00:06:39,959 --> 00:06:46,720 I guess so according to this, like right now I have like Noel don't 88 00:06:46,759 --> 00:06:48,959 know is number two, but like that's not real. Come on, that's 89 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,759 that can't be on there. Okay, I'm gonna reorder this right now. 90 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:58,920 No old don't know, Apes on horse no Coba battle, Ape swarmed the 91 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:05,040 human camp on horseback, Taylor's Discovery there number one. This is the biggest 92 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:15,879 crook ever. My god. Oh that's my definitive list honorable days making even 93 00:07:15,879 --> 00:07:18,600 before this. Currently there's some may good scenes, some good scenes, and 94 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,680 you fell a little flusters there, but you know that was it all worked 95 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,680 out? Should have known. You throw it to me first, you said 96 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:30,959 a bit so much. I'll give an hounible mention to no no, no, 97 00:07:30,399 --> 00:07:33,879 I can't put on the list. So that's gonna live on throughout this 98 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,199 podcast, and we're gonna put that in one of our movies. I'm probably 99 00:07:38,199 --> 00:07:40,759 just gonna name a character no Alda though, We're just gonna fucking rip it 100 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,439 off. I don't care. Uh. Number five, this was a really 101 00:07:44,519 --> 00:07:46,519 tough one for me. I know people might go the other way, but 102 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,279 I'm gonna go the conquest takeover. I know people might say, like, 103 00:07:50,319 --> 00:07:54,800 oh, Rise is the better version. As I've said before, I just 104 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,000 find that more scary the score the way the apes are. They're more violent. 105 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,519 As I've said, I hate that the speech happens at the end, 106 00:08:00,839 --> 00:08:03,319 but I can just cut off and say the scene is the takeover. So 107 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,879 because again with Rise, it's like this cheer moment, as I said before, 108 00:08:05,879 --> 00:08:09,279 you're cheering for the apes to get away. This is like a fuck 109 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,000 man, like those times when the cops turn down the alley and you just 110 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:16,079 say oh and you just see like there's like hundreds of apes and grills can 111 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,639 be like with guns and weapons, like, oh my fucking god, Like 112 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:24,199 there's just something They are brutal in that scene. They are justifiable, but 113 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,879 they're starting to turn. So that's my one at number five, and then 114 00:08:26,879 --> 00:08:31,240 at number four I got the Coba takeover. That's when the power's back on. 115 00:08:31,679 --> 00:08:35,480 Everyone's really excited, and then Coba and his new klan just fuck shit 116 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,240 up. This has multiple things of one just the battles really good too. 117 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,919 There's great stuff of like, oh, god, was Caesar's before he was 118 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:48,000 fucking gunned down my harels? And he was Cornelius, right, wasn't Correlias 119 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,159 is the youngest, right he was? Yeah? But whatever, his son 120 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:58,000 Corny whatever, his son was Like he's having those moments where he's seeing apes 121 00:08:58,039 --> 00:09:00,559 go down or he sees a grilla go down. He's like, this isn't 122 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,759 the right thing. And then it caps off with that one shot of Kobe 123 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,759 gets on that tank and they put that camera on the tank and it's like 124 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:11,000 spinning while he's driving. So just like lots of good moments within the scene 125 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:16,759 sets number four, Blue Eyes right, blue Eyes number three. It's a 126 00:09:16,759 --> 00:09:18,879 subtle scene is probably just because it's sad for me and every time I go, 127 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,440 no, I don't want to fucking go this way. But another scene 128 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,600 for war, which I think is still under rated. I'm saying Caesar Maurice's 129 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,440 last conversation where Maurice is just kind of happy that they made it. They're 130 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,519 here with all the apes, and Caesar's got something else going on. This 131 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:39,159 fan's on like his last few minutes and Maurice's sigh languaging him and everything. 132 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,360 But then they have a great conversation when he dies. I'm always sad and 133 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,399 you get that moment where God, you see Cornelius sees him and he sees 134 00:09:46,399 --> 00:09:50,080 his dad who finally like he lost his mom, his brother, and finally 135 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,799 they're here in safety, but he loses his dad. All the apes raising 136 00:09:54,919 --> 00:09:58,120 up with the apes strong like man. It's it's a moment. It's sad. 137 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,159 I hate it, but I love it and the way it's like at 138 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,440 least put together. And number two, I didn't get no all thell no, 139 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,240 but I got Caesar's no one here because I think that's a good build 140 00:10:09,279 --> 00:10:13,720 up of he just talks to that gorilla. But it's more just that whole 141 00:10:13,759 --> 00:10:15,919 movie you knew he was gonna talk about. It was a great thing about 142 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,240 the promotional marketing. They didn't show Caesar talks. He thought, oh, 143 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,919 this is like two thousand, you know, aughts of what maybe they're gonna 144 00:10:22,919 --> 00:10:26,559 make a more realistic plan the apes where the apes don't talk. Maybe it's 145 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,440 just they're smart and they're clever. But when it was in Rise, the 146 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,799 very first note like no, like that, like that first one when he 147 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,519 like it comes out and you got Malfoy's fucking just like Hey's looking up there, 148 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,919 and I think it's done really well because again, like I said, 149 00:10:41,919 --> 00:10:43,639 the marketing didn't show them talks. He thought, oh, maybe not go 150 00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:46,240 that way. And then Offsee starts talking later on, but that first knowing 151 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:50,480 because like we joke about it, but the word no does mean so much 152 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:54,639 in plan the apes, so the fact that is Caesar's first word and plays 153 00:10:54,679 --> 00:11:01,000 into the legend so absolutely. And then number one twist. There's a number. 154 00:11:01,039 --> 00:11:05,759 Honestly, I could have this whole list. I want some variety of 155 00:11:05,879 --> 00:11:09,440 just the first movie, like the humans getting captured could be won uh when 156 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,600 they are even walking, like the score, and there's some photography we talk 157 00:11:13,639 --> 00:11:16,960 about like just that is going on good there, even the trial, some 158 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,799 of the shootout stuff. But I gotta go with the twists. His capture 159 00:11:20,879 --> 00:11:24,320 that's another one. But you know, you blew it up. Yeah, 160 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,679 Bastard's like has to just act as ass off for Nova's just looking around like 161 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,960 a fucking idiot, like where are we? But it's such a good, 162 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:35,360 good moment of just like again that realization of I gotta get back home. 163 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,519 It's like, fuck, no, you've been home this whole time. It's 164 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,200 like that has to be the worst that you like. Of course, like 165 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,279 I gree with Kirkle, like the Abraham Lincoln is bad, but I don't 166 00:11:45,279 --> 00:11:46,759 know if it's like something about like for me, it's like that could have 167 00:11:46,879 --> 00:11:52,039 some hope where this is like there's no hope whatsoever here, Like you were 168 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,120 on on the Plan the apes and it's over for you. So that's a 169 00:11:54,639 --> 00:12:01,360 that's my number one the twist. It's a classic scene. So mister feel 170 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:03,519 just forgot to shout out the mad House moment too. That one is uh, 171 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:13,159 Mada, dude. Charle Heston just carried carried that first movie. Absolutely, 172 00:12:13,759 --> 00:12:16,000 I will say carried, but like he elevated that he brought up so 173 00:12:16,159 --> 00:12:18,639 good and man, I wish I was still lied to be in some of 174 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,879 these movies. So go to Heston retro on these days when we're when we 175 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:28,200 hit our eighties. That's we'll do the retro that the retross. No. 176 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,440 I was trying to put heston and retro together the hetro, but that didn't 177 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:39,679 sound good because you know hestrott some Yeah, giving me order this sider of 178 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,600 the hestro Taylor, save us, get us. What are your top five 179 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:48,960 scenes? Okay, so my number five, well, actually honorable mentions. 180 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:56,879 Honorable mentions. Uh, having I hear an echo in the background, let's 181 00:12:56,919 --> 00:13:03,559 throw me off. Yeah, so I'm gonna put I'm gonna put'st me nuts, 182 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:09,559 I'm gonna put fade And this is an honorable mention. Fade basically like 183 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,399 scoping out with this crash ship Mark Wahlberg ship was the two gorillas like showing 184 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,399 him around and then they just like draping his hands on their chest and then 185 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:22,279 like turning around like jumping thirty feet, like showing like stuff of nightmares. 186 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:28,320 Yeah, we gotta put We gotta make a hunter or someone do the forum 187 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:33,559 attack man. Yeah. Uh, what else do we got here? We 188 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:39,360 got COVID charging on horseback with dual assault rifles. That's definitely honorable mention. 189 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,600 Oh, just honorable mentions. We're here, that's honorable that's horriable mention. 190 00:13:43,759 --> 00:13:48,759 Yeah, same as the thead scene that was honorable mention. That was honorable 191 00:13:48,799 --> 00:13:50,279 mention as well. I thought you gave us a five. And then I'll 192 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:58,399 mention the uh every picky in War for Plant of the Apes, there's a 193 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,879 scene where Caesar and his company are chasing bad Ape and I just love the 194 00:14:03,159 --> 00:14:05,840 score. The kicks in and they're running, they're riding their horses in the 195 00:14:05,919 --> 00:14:09,440 snow and like bad Ape like shoots the trees the shotgun like they're chase. 196 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:13,320 It's just such a cool, like quick cut, high octane scene. Uh. 197 00:14:13,399 --> 00:14:18,360 I just really really like it. And then number five Mark Wahlberg returning 198 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:24,039 home to see fade in Lincoln's chair. Wow, that one is. It's 199 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:30,600 just such a crazy, crazy turn of events there. Number four, Uh, 200 00:14:30,679 --> 00:14:33,240 Copa pretending to drink booze, act dumb and then just fires off the 201 00:14:33,279 --> 00:14:41,320 gun and just fucking terrifying, just terrifying. Uh. Number three also Don 202 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,960 Maurice basically in the tent with the kid, just like reading the books and 203 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,279 the music kicks it. It's just such a humbling moment and I love that 204 00:14:48,639 --> 00:14:54,639 those I love those moments where it's just yeah, it's just a connection here 205 00:14:54,639 --> 00:15:00,159 between ape and human really really really really profound. Uh. Number two, 206 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,799 Taylor finds the Statue of Liberty. That's just that's crazy, crazy crazy. 207 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:11,320 I forgot I one more audible mention actually was Don Sneaking. Caesar is in 208 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,080 He's in his old home, James frank Go's home in Don and he's pulling 209 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:16,879 out the home videos and that score kicks in. It's just like, oh, 210 00:15:16,919 --> 00:15:22,360 that's just makes me tear up my number one. Uh. Also from 211 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:28,559 Don Uh, Caesar strolls up to the gates of this whole Ape army and 212 00:15:28,679 --> 00:15:33,480 just the dialogue there and that that scene, it's it's it's it's my favorite 213 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:37,519 fucking scene when he's like, do not come back, and the score kicks 214 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:41,240 in, like don't, dun't, and then he turns and then it's just 215 00:15:41,279 --> 00:15:48,519 a slow shot of Coba and Coba just like stares at Uh the fucker from 216 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:54,000 Terminator I can't remember his name. Yeah, he like stares at him and 217 00:15:54,080 --> 00:16:07,600 like just like moves his lips around and like Jason Clark is just like m 218 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,799 s turrying around and leaving. He's just like getting so horny. He's like 219 00:16:18,919 --> 00:16:32,799 humping this horse you gotta watch Sasquatch Sunset. Coba fuck Malcolm, no Coba, 220 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:42,240 no human Coba Coba work it is, oh god, all right, 221 00:16:42,919 --> 00:16:47,200 top ten. I didn't even know it seems. I still don't even exactly 222 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,039 know what's you're talking about, Taylor. That's what I said. Where they 223 00:16:49,080 --> 00:17:00,360 come up and they're like Coba human cola fuck human homes is. Tom Yeah, 224 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:06,000 he has Maury's all right, Kirkly in your top ten characters top ten 225 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:11,240 characters, all right, starting at the honorable mentions, I have Raka from 226 00:17:11,279 --> 00:17:15,119 the Previous Kingdom. I thought he was just so fantastic. Not enough screen 227 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,400 time to make it on the top ten, but he very memorable character. 228 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:26,880 I also have General Thad here. He didn't quite make it on my top 229 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:33,279 ten list unfortunately, but he's still iconic, alright. And then I got 230 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,680 the Malcolm's here. I got Malcolm from don And then I have Malcolm McDonald 231 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:44,480 from Conquest, who is kind of like Caesar's like coach in his ear when 232 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,480 Caesar's ready to burn the whole earth down, remember when he's like Caesar, 233 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:52,640 no, I'm not doing it justice. It's the uh, it's like the 234 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:57,519 presidents or like Chancellor's guy like right hand man, who is is his name 235 00:17:57,599 --> 00:18:03,559 Malcolm mcdowald. That that's Malcolm McDonald. Okay, I say McDowell. I 236 00:18:03,559 --> 00:18:06,720 think he did, and I was very confused. But no, I get 237 00:18:06,799 --> 00:18:10,039 now McDowell's on the on the brain. But no, I feel like all 238 00:18:10,079 --> 00:18:15,200 those characters have, well the two Malcolms at least have like just really good 239 00:18:15,319 --> 00:18:21,759 like moral alignment for the apes, like and like the Malcolm from Dawn, 240 00:18:22,079 --> 00:18:26,920 he's a good representative of like the good humans. I guess, like really 241 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:32,480 trying there. They didn't talk, you know Malcolms. Yeah, now I 242 00:18:32,519 --> 00:18:34,039 remember right when he's like he's the one that talks him down the end, 243 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:45,759 like no to fuck us Malcolm Malcolm two time. But okay, it's like, 244 00:18:45,799 --> 00:18:48,920 okay, he's an honorable mentions Okay, yeah, why didn't why did 245 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,960 none of us put best? See in the whole Caesar headshake in the in 246 00:18:53,079 --> 00:18:57,480 Conquest? You know, remember when he when he's going to eat salt and 247 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:04,240 on a freaking he's like no, like I got about that. That's what? 248 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:12,000 Okay. On my top ten list here number ten, I have Zius 249 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:18,240 zayas doctor doctor Zius character that like I really didn't care for at all. 250 00:19:18,319 --> 00:19:22,400 But I feel like as we're going through them, he's just kind of crafty 251 00:19:22,519 --> 00:19:26,920 and like he's got a lot more than what he portrays, which makes him 252 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:32,039 interesting. Sit down, you see what he knows and like with no no 253 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:36,200 cameras or mics or like everyone around there. Yeah, like podcast, get 254 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:41,240 him lickered up like they did a zero remember and she revealed the baby, 255 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,519 get a couple of drinks and zius. He's got some fucking stories, I 256 00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:47,160 bet. Oh yeah, yeah, you know, I fucked a human. 257 00:19:47,519 --> 00:19:52,799 Yeah, bottomized them the way around so I could remember for a split second. 258 00:19:56,799 --> 00:20:00,559 Number nine, Uh, similar human to my there Malcolms that I mentioned. 259 00:20:00,559 --> 00:20:07,000 I have Armando here, the uh zoo keeper guy, just he just 260 00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:11,920 has so much charism. Yeah oh yeah, so much charism, charisma. 261 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,880 And another another human that like just represents, you know, the good qualities 262 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:21,119 of what he could be. So uh and then he's just he's like a 263 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,480 fucking sex machine. I'm sure that guy we were talking about, he's just 264 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:30,079 his his presence that he has, he just has so much to him. 265 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,880 But uh yeah, okay. And then number eight, I have Noah from 266 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,440 the previous Kingdom movie. I thought he was a fantastic protagonist for that movie, 267 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,000 and you know, it's a it's a daunting tastic I'm into a brand 268 00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:45,359 new series following Caesar and like that to be the protagonist. But I really, 269 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,759 I really like Noah. I thought he was fantastic, so okay, 270 00:20:48,839 --> 00:20:53,920 going from that, I have the great and powerful no Although no Here, 271 00:20:55,920 --> 00:21:00,640 oh my god, had to be I had to be the probably my favorite 272 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:06,480 gorilla amongst the whole series. No, he's he's fantastic. I wish he 273 00:21:06,519 --> 00:21:08,680 was in more movies than what he was, but definitely, like the meme 274 00:21:10,039 --> 00:21:12,319 pick lifted him up so much more than what he probably should have been. 275 00:21:12,319 --> 00:21:18,640 But yeah, no, no Aldo, No, no no. After that, 276 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:23,400 I have Coba Here, definitely one of the better villains in the entire 277 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:30,240 series. But No, I think he's really interesting because he's justified and for 278 00:21:30,279 --> 00:21:33,799 the most part of what he's doing. You know, maybe shooting Caesar like 279 00:21:33,839 --> 00:21:38,079 a little bitch in the dark of night wasn't the best way to do it, 280 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:42,079 but he truly hated humans, and I feel like he just represents that 281 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:47,240 hatred that the apes should be feeling towards them, especially like he's got the 282 00:21:47,279 --> 00:21:52,119 scars from being experimented on. So I yeah, he's really great and a 283 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,920 character that kind of lives on past. Well, I yeah, I know 284 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:00,759 he's in all three movies technically, right, because he starts a rise big 285 00:22:00,839 --> 00:22:03,599 Don character and then just the after effect of kind of what he did to 286 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:08,359 Caesar's psyche for that for that other one. So yeah, where am I 287 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,759 right now? I think I'm top five? Now number five? I have 288 00:22:12,279 --> 00:22:18,200 Maurice my favorite Orangutang. He's he's just so wonderful and pretty silent of a 289 00:22:18,279 --> 00:22:22,519 character for the most part. But uh no, he's or does he say 290 00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:25,400 any words? Actually, don't remember. I just talked about the last scene 291 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:30,400 he talks with Oh yes, and then in Dogs Run, remember when they're 292 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:38,680 about the fuck out and they won't stop. Okay, big four? Here 293 00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:44,039 I got Cornelius Zerra. There's my number three. Like I I I knew 294 00:22:44,039 --> 00:22:47,119 they were gonna be together, like I like zero a little bit more, 295 00:22:47,839 --> 00:22:51,599 but now they're fantastic. I feel like Roddy McDowell could just be a character 296 00:22:51,599 --> 00:22:53,960 in and of himself because he's probably so many different issue is still alive, 297 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,799 so you could still be playing Caesar, you know, yeah, he would 298 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:03,279 be step aside Andy Andy Serkis, Yeah, he could play Rocket and then 299 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,519 the Big two here, uh number two. I did Child and Neston. 300 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:14,000 He's just not enough movies, but man, he's he's iconic. And then 301 00:23:14,079 --> 00:23:18,759 yeah, Caesar is my number one. He's just a very great character, 302 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,599 well written, staying true to his morals for the most part of the entire 303 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,240 you know, war, he's kind of deviating, but he's kind of at 304 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:30,839 his wits end. He was his family and just yeah, the whole powerful 305 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,640 effect that he had on the apes. It's felt throughout all of his movies, 306 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:41,200 including Kingdom and Yeah, just really great character. Absolutely all right, 307 00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:45,039 honorable mentions. Yeah, I'll shout Roca I liked him a lot. I 308 00:23:45,079 --> 00:23:48,799 almost had him on there. Armando another good one, almost had him on 309 00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:52,119 there. I'll shout it all though. Why not because all those all though 310 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,440 you know, he's great, not on the top ten, on the top 311 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,599 ten, he couldn't couldn't get him a spot there. So number ten. 312 00:23:57,799 --> 00:24:02,960 I got more Reese because I like Maurice, but he's just been requieter and 313 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,000 he is even I can't even remember if he's in the first one. Technically 314 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,319 he no, he is right him Caesar Ball in there, right, but 315 00:24:10,319 --> 00:24:15,400 anyway, so just because that, but he is, you know, he's 316 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,519 very silent, he's very to himself, but still is a great impact on 317 00:24:18,599 --> 00:24:22,799 the story and on Caesar. So I got him at ten. I got 318 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:25,920 Doctor Zias at number nine, so I got the rank danks to the bottom 319 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,960 again, same thing. I wish there was like a little bit more with 320 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:33,160 him because I feel like they just scratch the surface of what she could do 321 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,680 with that character in the first one. But I think he's still a great 322 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,839 antagonist who has his reasons. Number seven didn't think he'd be on there, 323 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,720 or sorry, number eight didn't think he'd be on here, but they eight 324 00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:45,039 I put him on there. I really enjoy I think that is almost like 325 00:24:45,079 --> 00:24:49,000 we talked about Hesson, that's tim Roth bringing it. If that's another actor 326 00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:53,000 in there, maybe I don't have the same feeling. But he's scary. 327 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,079 He's a good antagonist. He's almost in the way where he's the anti COVID, 328 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,599 where he's not really justified, but he just plays a great piece of 329 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,079 shit, you know, and you want to see him brought down. Number 330 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,160 seven, I got Noah on there. Maybe could climb in the future, 331 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,920 but was a great lead. I like the Bleed very much, enjoyed him, 332 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,319 did not enjoy him as much as my six pick, who's also from 333 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:17,000 that movie. May. As I said in the review, I really yeah, 334 00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:19,799 I really enjoyed this character because I love that she was sympathetic towards the 335 00:25:19,839 --> 00:25:23,480 Apes, a friendly character, but was also having to be cutthroat. Where 336 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,720 most times we meet those friends the humans, those are the ones like, 337 00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:29,240 oh, well, I don't really like Malcolm, I don't want to hurt 338 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,079 the Apes and stuff. Fucking may She'll fucking flood a bunch of apes and 339 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,279 kill them all if that means she can get out of there and help the 340 00:25:34,319 --> 00:25:37,759 humans out. And she's completely justified, right that mo in the end when 341 00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:41,279 she goes to talk with Noah and Raye Bred like see if anything's all good, 342 00:25:41,599 --> 00:25:45,519 But she has her fucking hand on a rifle and she's ready to go. 343 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,160 So there's just something of like, really liked the choices they gave this 344 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,799 human. It wasn't like it's a character that could go against apes, but 345 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:56,319 it's not like the classic It's kind of what I tumble on in the review 346 00:25:56,319 --> 00:25:59,559 of like what I imagine Gary Oldman's character would have been like if he was 347 00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:02,000 in the movie, be more right of Hey, I'm gonna take all these 348 00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:03,960 apes. I don't care what the situation is. They're killing my people. 349 00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:07,160 Fuck them. It's like, yeah, he's right, and same thing. 350 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,279 May. There's nothing she does in here. He's a questionable and it's unfortunate, 351 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,519 but it's all makes sense. So I really May and I hope she 352 00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:18,519 comes back. Unmuch like Kirkling here, they're a little lower, but the 353 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,559 combo of five cornelius four zero great, they gotta go where they go, 354 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:30,559 great deals, they carry con or they carry escape and god, what am 355 00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:33,759 I? It's just escape, I guess. But even like Beneath, I'll 356 00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:38,319 see Rodney's not back, Roddy carries conquests and battle like I think battles a 357 00:26:38,319 --> 00:26:41,119 lot worse if Roddy's not there. So they put them a lot work and 358 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,480 they're just likable. They're just two of the most likable apes they are in 359 00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:49,519 this franchise. I guess I have one above them, but here might be 360 00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:55,680 a controversial, controversial one. But number three I got Taylor Charlton Heston. 361 00:26:55,799 --> 00:27:00,079 I love him, but just again, maybe we got more and in uh, 362 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,519 you know, great character but maybe there's a These other two just had 363 00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:07,839 a bit more meat on the boone where Charlton Heston is playing a fun character 364 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,200 that his hes isms. So that's why at number two I'm surprised to do, 365 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,200 but I got Covid there. I think Coba is just like a fascinating 366 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,400 interesting characters, So that's why I put him against Heston, where like you 367 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,119 said, Hesson's just like they're laugh there to smoke, there to fuck. 368 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,920 You know, He's great, he brings it. He's a great character. 369 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,200 He lifts that movie so much. I'd love to see that. I'd love 370 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,000 to see that Taylor character in every sci fi movie. Star Wars put him 371 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,559 on the fucking alien ship. Imagine that. Imagine him an alien. Oh 372 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,440 my god, him on the crew so big too, it probably just grabs 373 00:27:38,599 --> 00:27:41,160 enolare. Yeah, the XENOMORPHO is looking up at him. You know, 374 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:47,599 that's a big and just his cock. It's like the Little Mermaid meme, 375 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,799 but it's like the alien xenomorph with Hessen's cock. An I'm gonna fuck you 376 00:27:52,880 --> 00:28:03,400 now, no, no, midnight, I'm making the Heston I mean double 377 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:11,079 melves out Kenny stop. Yeah. And then finally number one Caesar, just 378 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,920 fantastic character. Andy Sircus brought so much. Again, of course that character 379 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,319 got three movies, but sometimes characters get three movies, like you know, 380 00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:22,680 Cornelia Standings and up there. But Caesar, that we literally see the journey 381 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,200 from birth to death of that character done so well, so many layers between 382 00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:32,440 the growing one and rise to the leader in Dawn to the falling leader in 383 00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:38,000 War. Yeah, just a triumphant but tragic character. But yeah, Caesar 384 00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:44,039 number one. So Taylor, your characters, all right? My honorable mention 385 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:49,279 I got here is Colonel Atar from the two thousand and one part of the 386 00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:52,400 Apes. That guy was just fucking crazy, is that? Michael Clark Duncan. 387 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,119 Yeah, that's a good one. Okay, can do that, Okay, 388 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:03,519 number do I have too many in here? Han? I'm on two, 389 00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:06,559 three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 390 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,279 ten. All right, okay, So we got another honorable mention. Then 391 00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:12,279 the other gorilla from that movie, Krawl. I really liked him. He 392 00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:15,359 was kind of like going with Mark Wahlberg's crew and was just kind of like 393 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:26,480 the one that Duncans kills. Yes, yeah, Krookland completely does not remember 394 00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:30,680 this character at all. He's looking watch that movie. Yeah, I'm looking 395 00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:37,920 wait shay up and with that movie, my dear l just way not so. 396 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:45,759 My number ten sneaking in there is Taylor. Shs Taylor, Uh fucking 397 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,480 your number ten is Charlton Heston. Yes, oh my god, Kirkland's redeemed. 398 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,920 Get him out of here. This list is terrible. Taylor said, 399 00:29:53,000 --> 00:30:00,680 number ten, what I am, honestly like I when I look at my 400 00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:03,880 list, I am full on just I'm all apes, like I don't have 401 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,359 a thing for He was the only human. I'll give you that. Then 402 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,480 I was gonna say, if Marky Mark was above him, We're gonna have 403 00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:14,799 fucking no no, no, I'm I am all apes on this ranking list 404 00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:25,880 right here, Taylor. Number nine is uh doctor Zias. I think yeah, 405 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,160 I think you're right, Chravis. You can just put a drink in 406 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,920 him or two and he's gonna be talking. You're and you know he's mad 407 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:37,640 human racist too, right, he'll slide it in there too, so many 408 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,160 doctor terms against humans, you know, a couple more drinks. You know 409 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,720 he's not he's not subtle, he's straight up just yeah, sound like your 410 00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:48,880 grandpa on a Tuesday. Number eight, I got faye this he's just as 411 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,839 scary, scared to live and ship out of me. So yeah, I 412 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,960 wish Charleston Hesson's Taylor and Thede met, you know, like I know they 413 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,680 Charlton Hesson played his dad, but I miss I wish other met than I 414 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,240 would love to see what happened there. If Saya's met they too, they 415 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:08,240 would just be I'm sure they both be racist together. Yeah, he has 416 00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:11,480 to still kick this ship, they though, just let it be known. 417 00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:14,279 He wouldn't have needed to lock him glass. He would just close his eyes 418 00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:17,319 and just you can take on the Zeno War, you can take on the 419 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:22,640 fuck Yeah. Number seven, Professor Virgil. I got a huge, just 420 00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:26,359 kind of fandom of this character. I think it's just the Orangutangs in general. 421 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:32,480 Uh, but Professor Virgil was in Battle for the Planets. Yeah, 422 00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:34,880 and so I just I love that you have this guy going on the missions 423 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,359 with with everyone, and he's just such a fun guy, just dishing all 424 00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:41,920 the facts, Like when the teacher's like no, all, no, no, 425 00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:45,880 and then Virgil's like, oh you said the one word that is forbidden. 426 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:52,039 He's just dishing ow mad facts. So I just gotta I got a 427 00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:56,119 soft spot for Professor Virgil. I'm surprised he so high. I'll say that 428 00:31:56,279 --> 00:32:01,240 he's high. Yeah. After that. Number six, we got Noah. 429 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:08,000 Noah was just fantastic, completely in this in this latest Kingdom of the Planet 430 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,279 of the Apes. Really love that character. I think he goes on a 431 00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:15,359 great journey of development, like I look forward to seeing what come becomes of 432 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:21,720 him. Next. Uh. Number five, we got Caesar. I absolutely 433 00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:24,680 love Caesar up here. He's just fantastic. You're talking like the Rony mcdallas 434 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:32,759 Caesar, right, the Circus Caesar God. Number five, just fantastic, 435 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,799 just fantastic, fantastic. Number four the Og Cornelius. I love Cornelius so 436 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,960 much. He's just such a fun character. And I love his dynamic with 437 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,480 with Zias or with Zira he and especially just him with with Taylor and seeing 438 00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:50,480 him too in just the human world as well, just seeing him in different 439 00:32:50,519 --> 00:32:52,400 environments. He's just a character. I'm really happy we got so many films 440 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:58,720 with really really like the the Og Cornelius. He's definitely speaking to the nostalgia 441 00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:06,799 of me. Number three we got Koba. This character is just incredible and 442 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,400 he's he's a huge reason why I'll always go back to don don you have 443 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,559 the score and you have so many sentimental moments, the heaviness of it. 444 00:33:14,599 --> 00:33:17,279 But Cooba alone is just such a powerful contender. It's just one of the 445 00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:23,799 most iconic characters that I'll remember for a long long time. Just he's as 446 00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:28,880 far as villains go, he's just so man. He's just evil. He's 447 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,279 fucking evil, and he's just, yeah, just an embodiment of evil. 448 00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:39,920 Number two Raka again, this is the Rangutis. I don't know. I 449 00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:46,319 love Raka. He seeing him, actually seeing Raka die was absolutely just brutal. 450 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:51,519 I really love this character. I love that he was the embodiment of 451 00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:54,839 Caesar's character. It just kind of like his teachings and continuing that on and 452 00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:00,240 in this new era of ape generations later. I just think he's just such 453 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,160 a a little bit of humor too. I really appreciate it. So he 454 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,400 was he was a really fun character to engage with. And the number one 455 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,760 is Maurice. Fuck. I love Maurice since day one. I've always been 456 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:15,280 a number one Maurice fan. I I think he's just he's just he's wise, 457 00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:22,000 He's Caesar's best bud. I I think Maurice is just absolutely fantastic. 458 00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:27,559 I I true, true and true Maurice fan right here. Oh, that's 459 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:32,360 that's impressive. That's high. It's the wild List. Yeah alright. Kirkland 460 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:37,880 end us Off ranked ten Plan the Apes movies. Okay, don't even flick 461 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,960 at my list at first, because I'm gonna start off with Beneath, which 462 00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:45,719 I'm assuming that will be. It could be shocked if we don't share that. 463 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,880 Okay, Number ten I Beneath of the Planet of the Apes. Number 464 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:59,920 nine I have Plant of the Apes one. Number yeah, ten nine eight. 465 00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:04,840 Battle for the Planet of the Apes would make you like Battle Over the 466 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:13,239 remake more. I think that the the just like the sexual energy that the 467 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,400 two thousand and one movie has is something that I was not expecting, and 468 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,400 then when I rewatched it, I'm just like, yeah, this is not 469 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,519 really what I want for my Planet the Apes movies. I think it's definitely 470 00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:25,719 a better made movie probably like production wise, it's definitely two thousand and one, 471 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,440 and also years and years later, the Apes look a lot cooler. 472 00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:34,800 I guess with the action you got maybe a better care. Yeah, I 473 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,440 guess you could make an argument that might be slightly higher. But like it's 474 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,400 pretty pretty close. I feel like I feel like for my next well at 475 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,519 least for Battle and my next one, which is Conquest, those ones are 476 00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:51,559 pretty pretty close in my rankings. Here Escape is where we're going next. 477 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,480 That one does a slight jump up. I quite like the just the flip 478 00:35:55,679 --> 00:36:00,639 of putting the apes like in the same situation that Heston was in that first 479 00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:06,519 one, and just kind of how that dynamic shifts with the different societal I 480 00:36:06,559 --> 00:36:10,000 don't know, just reactions to what they're dealing with with the with the apes 481 00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:14,440 being there, with the humans being there for the first one with Heston, 482 00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:15,800 but you know, I thought it was fun. I think it definitely gets 483 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:21,280 weaker near the end, and just a fucking wild murder of a mother and 484 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,039 father and then the baby. Yeah, it's wild, But I really like 485 00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:29,039 the concepts and the ideas of what it had, and just the start of 486 00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:30,760 it too, when we have our astronauts and then the reveal of the apes 487 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:37,679 is fun. Yeah. Where am I now up from there? This is 488 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,719 where we're jumping in the circus ones. I got War for the Planet of 489 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,360 the Apes really was. I've only seen it once and the first time was 490 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,039 on this retro and yeah, I was pretty let down with the villain being 491 00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:52,280 Woody Harrelson. Was really looking forward to that character, and I felt quite 492 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:57,000 let down by that one. And yeah, it's it's still a good movie. 493 00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:01,239 Above that, I have Kingdom, really fun time, What a wonderful 494 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,639 day that was, and every day that's followed since. But yeah, I 495 00:37:05,679 --> 00:37:08,639 was pretty disappointed with the rushness of the of the end third act. But 496 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,960 yeah, still still a really great movie, introduced us some great characters, 497 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,159 and I can't wait for the next one. After that, I have Rise 498 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:22,199 of the Planet of the Apes. Yeah, no, it just starts off 499 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,920 this journey, and I remember loving that movie the first time i'd seen it, 500 00:37:27,039 --> 00:37:30,280 and I feel like I've liked it slightly less every time. However, 501 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:37,079 like especially after now that I've seen like Dawn and Kingdom and War, like 502 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:42,280 those ones are just higher quality, I think than what the Rise one is. 503 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,719 Maybe it's just because it's an older like it's twenty eleven compared to where 504 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,440 we are now twenty twenty four with Kingdom coming out, but just the yeah, 505 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,000 I don't know what it is. It just seems a little bit lesser 506 00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:57,440 now in hindsight. Still top three, so yeah, and then my second 507 00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:00,280 favorite Planet of the Apes movies of all time is the original Planet of the 508 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:06,480 Apes. I think that movie is a ten out of ten. It's somewhat 509 00:38:06,559 --> 00:38:09,920 dated, and by somewhat, I mean it's it's the concepts that they tackle 510 00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:15,639 is very like ahead of its time. But I just think like the I 511 00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:22,000 don't know, just just maybe certain interactions with some orangutans and just the inner 512 00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:27,840 workings of the apes. I I just think it's done better and like maybe 513 00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:32,960 later films, but no, they have some really high end concepts and Heston 514 00:38:34,199 --> 00:38:37,760 man, he's just he's so fucking amazing in that movie. Yeah, no, 515 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,000 it's great. It's what started us off on this journey way back in 516 00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:44,239 the sixties. So yeah, great movie. And then my number one being 517 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,559 done of the Planet of the Apes, and yeah, that that one is 518 00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:51,519 just so much more rewatchable, I think in my mind than the original. 519 00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:54,280 Like the original one is still very rewatchable, but that one is just so 520 00:38:54,559 --> 00:39:00,639 well made. Like the apes look fucking i's gonna say human, but they 521 00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:05,639 look real real, and uh yeah, it's just a lot of moving pieces 522 00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:08,559 in that movie with the like who our main villain of the movie is I 523 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:15,039 really like just the the moral gray area that kind of everyone can be looked 524 00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:17,880 at in that movie, and uh yeah, really well made, introduces some 525 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:23,480 some great human characters as well, and yeah, don's just that chef's kiss 526 00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:27,840 right there. But yeah, no, I'm that's my that's my list. 527 00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:30,239 Definitely. I feel like I could see, like how you brought up like 528 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,880 the two thousand and one Apes movie. I could see some of those moving, 529 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,840 but the bottom, the bottom one definitely remaining where it's gonna be. 530 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,559 And like my top four or five after that, I think those are really 531 00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:47,079 solid there in my rankings at least. All right, I'm gonna agree with 532 00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:52,760 you on Beneath that's always gonna be and that's like an own tier by itself, 533 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:58,599 like that has nothing like it's completely far away in other Yeah no, 534 00:39:58,679 --> 00:40:01,039 not an eights movie. So yeah, that's number ten for me. Number 535 00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:06,480 nine I got Battle, the number eight is the remake. I just I 536 00:40:06,519 --> 00:40:08,679 think this list is just based a bit more on like what do I want 537 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:13,360 to watch more, because there's variations of good to great to men here, 538 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,079 and for me it's like I like some concepts in Battle, but then there's 539 00:40:16,119 --> 00:40:20,119 some stuff just like again, I really don't like a lot of the human 540 00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:22,480 stuff in there, and I just I don't know. There's somens where it's 541 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,239 just drags a little where Apes two thousand and one, it could be a 542 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,079 worse movie, but I don't think it drags at least, And I got 543 00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:31,519 something as good as like tim Roth in there. So that's where I am. 544 00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:36,559 And then kind of in the same elk of that for seven and six. 545 00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:40,719 For seven I have Escape, and then for six I got Conquest. 546 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,679 I went back and forth on that one. I think Escape might be a 547 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:50,239 better I think Escape is a better movie, but I like the inner workings 548 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,400 of Conquests, and I love seeing the kind of okay future where the Apes 549 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,760 are going, what's gonna happen. I like seeing the you know, the 550 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,800 new season played by Roddy, and I again, I'm a big fan of 551 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,039 the takeover. I'm a big fan of that third act. So that's what 552 00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:07,440 really puts it towards me. And that's the only thing that I have Rise 553 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:13,320 at number five. That was my biggest tough thing is Conquest and Rise. 554 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,119 Same thing. I think Rise is still a better movie, and I think 555 00:41:16,199 --> 00:41:22,079 if Conquest stuck with the ending the original one maybe it would be higher rise, 556 00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:23,760 I just as we rewatch it. I just don't care about the humans. 557 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,960 I do for the first act, and then it drops off that sort. 558 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,440 It's like, that's why it's not higher, and that's why it's on 559 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:34,400 a similar wavelength to Conquest. But I still still gave it the edge there. 560 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,159 Number four, I got Kingdom. I don't think that would climb. 561 00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:44,400 I think my top three is pretty solidified. I think, and I, 562 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,039 if anything, maybe could drop a low rise, but I know I think 563 00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:52,320 I'm always gonna prefer Kingdom because I like the apes aesthetic, postpocalyptic sort of 564 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,079 jungle and everything a bit more than Rise or rises labs and houses. I 565 00:41:57,079 --> 00:41:59,119 get why they had to do that for the first one. It's the origin, 566 00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:01,320 right, But for me, I'm always gonna lean towards a planet of 567 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:07,000 Apes in a sense before versus the before war for the plan Apes. Like 568 00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:09,039 said, at times, I've given this like a perfect score on the Retroid 569 00:42:09,039 --> 00:42:12,280 didn't because we talked about some things where I see, oh yeah, that 570 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,280 could be an issue. That is an issue, but I still think it's 571 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,480 underrated. But obviously it's a very mixed one on our discord. Everybody just 572 00:42:17,639 --> 00:42:21,880 like Wars is a very divided one where I feel like you either really love 573 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,280 it or it's like last or very low in the Circus trilogy. But yeah, 574 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,679 War it's a dreadful movie in a good way. Hard to watch at 575 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,639 times, but it's heavy, and I think they it's a good ending to 576 00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:36,840 the trilogy. And this is one that you got to ask me every day 577 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,760 of the week. I can make a case for both, but just for 578 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,559 the history, I'm gonna put Dawn at second and plan the Apes the original 579 00:42:43,679 --> 00:42:46,599 number one. I think you can make the case that Dawn is a better 580 00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:51,480 movie, but at the same time, it's like, of course it should 581 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,840 be because it was made in the odds right, like like for what they 582 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,280 did, and like we talked about unfortunately, the conversations they have and plant 583 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,039 apes are conversations we'll have today. And that's how far ahead of time we 584 00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:05,599 talk about, just stuff like I love Michael Giacchino, but to me, 585 00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:08,480 it doesn't match like what Jerry Goldsmith does in that movie. Hessen's a great 586 00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:13,280 lead. So yeah, I think there's some things. Like I said, 587 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,760 it's that one's like a one A one B. I really could make a 588 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,239 case that's why I really want to make like a top ten sci fi movies, 589 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,079 and I would probably argue them both beyond there for different reasons. I 590 00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:24,320 think they just do very different things. Like I think Dawn is like that 591 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:30,440 Apes epic, but then like it sounds weird, but Plan the Apes now 592 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,039 in retrospect to these movies feels like that independent version of Apes, like oh, 593 00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:36,159 she's gonna be a dude and he lands or and he goes in the 594 00:43:36,159 --> 00:43:38,320 colony. So and there's just certain things of those movies that they meet up 595 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,000 and do that they don't in the other ones, and I hope they never 596 00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:44,519 so, uh yeah, that's where I am. I'll put the original number 597 00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:47,199 one probably hinted Nostalagia there, but I'll give it the respect it deserves it 598 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:52,920 number one, So Taylor take us home and please tell me, uh, 599 00:43:52,639 --> 00:44:00,199 you share the same bottom as us. Number ten beneath the Play of the 600 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:06,119 Apes down there, Number nine, Conquest to the Planet of the Apes. 601 00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:13,960 Really, that's that's low why so low. I enjoy parts of it, 602 00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:17,039 but when I'm stacking against all these other films that I have a lot more 603 00:44:17,559 --> 00:44:22,719 likings too, and I think of just the way the Conquest feels like it's 604 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:28,679 very not claustrophobic, but it feels like it's one set piece like revisited again 605 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,000 and again and again. And I guess it's fine. It's a dystopian kind 606 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,159 of future, so I get that and it's fine. But yeah, for 607 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:37,440 me, it just put it. Put it in nine. There's other things. 608 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,000 I like War in the other that one was like Battle for the Planet 609 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:45,960 of the Apes. I do enjoy that. You get Yep, Virgil and 610 00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:52,239 a few other characters in there too, all though it's definitely riveting. And 611 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:59,320 number seven, Escape for the Planet of the Apes. I really really like 612 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,880 this one. It's something that I always got excited about when I start my 613 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:07,159 marathons for Apes getting to this one and seeing Cornelias and Zerra going into the 614 00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:09,639 past, going to the human world and just the dynamics unfold. It's a 615 00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:15,639 fun time. And number six I have Arise the Planet of the Apes. 616 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:22,960 Oh my god, but I just we'll get there. I just like, 617 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:28,400 I thought, there's a certain movie that shouldn't be past the Circus trilogy, 618 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,039 but it definitely is. I was gonna say, A Rise for You is 619 00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:37,280 pretty low too, Travis. Wasn't it like four it's five top five halfway 620 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,800 one more than Taylor. Yeah, but it was it wasn't a below a 621 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:45,840 certain movie that's coming on this list. So yeah, I think Rise of 622 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,480 the Planet of the Apes being there, it's it's definitely one that I'm not 623 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,440 rushing to rewatch probably anytime soon. Those other ones in my top five that 624 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,599 I feel like I could I could go to before this one for sure. 625 00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:05,360 Number five Plant of the Apes two thousand and one. This one has really 626 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,000 it's age good for me, and if it was to pop in theaters, 627 00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:13,400 i'd watch it. I think I'm really happy that we revisited this one in 628 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,239 this retro and that it stands good. I got a nostalgic sauce spot for 629 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,119 it. If it comes back in theaters, I'm there with you, Taylor, 630 00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,639 I'll see. I would see it. I think we have a good 631 00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:24,320 experience. But I don't think that's ever gonna happen, so we don't have 632 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,800 to worry about that. Like maybe Bernie's I could well that it would be 633 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,000 the for that reach, you know, or even on the circus ones, 634 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:37,760 they'll play fucking beneath before they do Rise. I think my number four is 635 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:43,119 the original plan of the Apes. Oh uh, it's It's definitely a top 636 00:46:43,159 --> 00:46:46,400 fiver, But I have three other ones that i'm I'm I'm putting down first 637 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:51,000 before I revisit that one, which isn't bad again. Top five Top five 638 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,760 Number three Kingdom of Planet of the Apes. I really fucking love this movie 639 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,159 again. It's my number one of the year right now. It's just so 640 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,440 damn good, really really love it. Number two War for the Planet of 641 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:06,440 the Apes. I love how this one is just it piggybacks off of my 642 00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:10,159 number one and it just continues to hold that. The messaging and the heaviness 643 00:47:10,199 --> 00:47:14,719 and the score, there's so much. I'll just I'll never forget doing that 644 00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:20,119 that marathon with Rise Don and War and ending on War, and it was 645 00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:23,440 just it was such a such a crazy experience. And so War definitely deserves 646 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,800 that number two slot for me. I wish I could have been there. 647 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:34,840 You're You're busy, You're you had you had a reasonable doctor's note. And 648 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,119 my number one is Don the Planet of the Apes. This movie is just 649 00:47:37,639 --> 00:47:43,400 absolutely it's perfect. It's just perfect. The score, the story, everything 650 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,519 that goes on here, it's just absolutely great. And it's one is something 651 00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:52,119 I'll revisit many, many a time. I created my apes playlist because it's 652 00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:57,320 just there's so many good tracks just to dive into. It's called a baby 653 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:07,639 on Nothing but man, there's so many business tracks from Kingdom Out. Yeah, 654 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,960 I have one track from Kingdom in there because we're listening to it. 655 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,960 It did not actually hit home as hard as it I thought it was. 656 00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:20,199 It's better in the movie, but this there's one track from Rising Here No 657 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,119 to Sorry. The rest is literally all majority is from War and then a 658 00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:29,360 few from Dawn that are really good. But War was just that soundtrack was 659 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,920 the best. Send me that link, Taylor Fox Everything, that's the top 660 00:48:34,039 --> 00:48:40,239 song, Copa Fox Everything. Yeah there in Yellow Jon, we have done 661 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:45,480 it. We will do re ranking if needed to in a few years. 662 00:48:45,760 --> 00:49:01,480 When the new comes out, sting at Malcolm, he does that half ripped 663 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,760 tongue. What do you do it if your Malcolm? Are you running to 664 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:10,960 the fucking hills? Do it back like there's there's that's what they do that 665 00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:19,880 in scaring movie to remember when the girl that's possessed in the precinct man Father 666 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,639 for yeah, you just gotta mind. Oh covid is the double look he 667 00:49:23,679 --> 00:49:30,039 looks at that guy first, then he looks over at Gary Oldman doesn't blank 668 00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:32,519 either. He's coming back, meets back on the menus. That's it. 669 00:49:32,599 --> 00:49:37,800 That's the ranking for plants. We are done a plan of the apes retrospective. 670 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,320 Man, that was a fun one. Lots of good conversation about uh, 671 00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:45,159 you know, social issues and prejudice issues. But then we also had 672 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:50,199 tons of fun along the way. Know all the no ape Han jobs now 673 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,440 and the retros given us Coba the sex machine, you never know, and 674 00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:58,280 yeah, little brand, shut a little brand. And finally, because who 675 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,000 knows what we'll talk about next, shout out to Charle motherfucking Heston. Man, 676 00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:07,000 that guy is just like Charlton. By the way, Charle, I 677 00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:10,480 forgot that s late, but uh yeah, man, I hope I hope 678 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,920 we get to retro him again at some point in the future. What I 679 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,320 don't know, but man, what an absolute legend and that that even retrospect 680 00:50:16,519 --> 00:50:22,000 was great. So thank you and everybody that tuned into these retros when you 681 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,159 here from the next one were born. Bye.