Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the ending of the plan The
Apes Retrospective. I am the rank Master. I am the rank Master,
dressed down. I'm joined by what a wonderful day the bad ape Taylor Field,
Well in these times, like when he's doing that, I'm just gonna
throw it like that. I didn't do it this time, but I'm just
gonnam there in the middle. Am I gonna do it again? We'll see.
I guess the next Apes movie. Are we gonna have to revamp our
rankings when that one comes out and they eventually do like seven more, seven
more, we'll have to know the next one. We can just slide it
into wherever slither it in. Year old and we're re ranking the Apes movies
like, Yeah, I remember Charlton, Nest ANDVA. I don't make them
like they used to. Yeah, I wonder if there's ever a chance where
we could be How old is Charlton Heston? Hey, let's see Charles alive?
No, he's dead. Yeah, okay, I killed them with my
bare hands. Oh, let's see, how did you got to eighty four?
So I'm gonna say there's probably not a chance that we're I was gonna
say, is there a chance that we're doing the podcast older than him?
But I don't think we're gonna be doing this when we're eighty five. I'll
just venture it out. We're gonna make it to eighty five, like one
of us at least for sure. Me. I got the Yeah, I
got the purest blood in the land. You're built on a lime Rickey's I
don't know. That's fine. There's no tumbles off the fucking bike. Man,
there's castles on my body. Gonna shoot me, just bounce right off
me. We're not here to talk about that. We're here. We'll talk
about plumby Eies because as usual, what we do can go back. Everyone
know what's this episode about. We did a retrospective which here at Geek Versus
we go and review each and every film. We look at where it's places
in the history of the franchise, talk about some trivia always up into leading
to a new film, which we did. So we've reviewed all. I'm
gonna say this correct hopefully correctly. Nine apes movies, now right? Did
you guys have nine? Your rankings for movies for ten? I had eleven?
Just kidding, I have one, two, three, four, five,
six, seven, eight, nine, ten, ten. What one
am I missing? The New One movie or the remake? I got that
beneath the Conquest Escape. Oh I know which one I'm missing. Okay,
so we're gonna do that last. But yeah, what we're gonna do is
we're going to what we do with any of these retros is we do a
ranking special. So we're gonna rank our top five scenes, we're gonna rank
our top ten characters, and we're gonna rank the film. So, kirkha
pats Are, I'm gonna give you the floor you're just boasted about. So
give me your top five scenes. Okay. I'm gonna use some honorable mentions
here because it was tough to squeeze them in here. I'm gonna honorable mention
the Mark Wahlberg discovery, like at the very end when he thinks that he's
the reason why I bring that one up is because that's like almost more so
than the Charlton Heston one, like as a wee young lad, I was
the one that just stuck with me the most, idea I had just seen
that first, Like I don't know it just little Kirkland. That one just
stuck and like freaked me out because I don't know. I was just expecting
like a happy ending, and then you have the apes there It's like,
oh my god, he's Graham Lincoln. Abraham Lincoln. Yeah exactly. I
also have the takeover in Conquest when they just hits the fan and it gets
really really brutal and violence. Just the chaos of that scene. How many
movie parts are in it, it's pretty. And then I also have uh,
oh wow, okay, I'm gonna have to move that I I had.
Yeah, I'm gonna take it out Taylor's Discovery at the end of the
big what the fuck moment, I'll mention that as well. I'm removing it.
Yeah, that movie for the first movie that's like, oh my gosh,
I'm sure on your list. It's not what a wonderful it arguably the
biggest twist in history. You're taking off your tophet? Is I caught?
Like, I mean, it's iconic, But in my memory, clearly I
mentioned the wall. Well I did. I did, like on this viewing
at least right, there's some tailor level bullshit here. Okay, I mentioned
that one mentioned that one. Oh in the stinking pause, I'm taking that
one off too audible mention. There you go, get your damn stinky pause
off me, fuckers. Whatever the he said, damn dirty, damn dirty
Brent. Okay, So my actual list, starting at the bottom. I
I'm putting no Aldo know on here are you over, the Statue of liber
living on so much further on my memory like Statue of Memories, Statue of
Memories, the Statue of Liberty. It's it's it's okay. No. Although,
oh that has become like a staple meme every time I want to say
to someone, I just want to say, Noel do no. After that,
I have the battle amongst Coba and Caesar at the end of Dawn,
fucking epic as hell. I have apes on horseback from the original movie when
we have the horns going off, just the first time that we see like
apes on horseback. Yeah, just fantastic. Oh, this one's slithered on
here unintentionally. I have eight. I have the apes swarming the human camp
in Dawn, just when they when they all arise, just their demonstration of
power there you mean, at the beginning with Caesar when they're like warning them,
like yeah, just just like the factuum if you come back word for
word, that's the extended edition, Okay, and then I have Yeah,
so I said, apes swarm the human camp, apes on horseback, Noel
don't know, Okay, Coba Battle. I think the twist is back on
there. It sounds like it. Yeah, no it is, Okay,
Tatter's Discovery. I had my list not numbered and just throw it on there.
So so your number one scene of the franchise is when the apes just
uh they show up and they say we could fuck you up and Dawn.
I guess so according to this, like right now I have like Noel don't
know is number two, but like that's not real. Come on, that's
that can't be on there. Okay, I'm gonna reorder this right now.
No old don't know, Apes on horse no Coba battle, Ape swarmed the
human camp on horseback, Taylor's Discovery there number one. This is the biggest
crook ever. My god. Oh that's my definitive list honorable days making even
before this. Currently there's some may good scenes, some good scenes, and
you fell a little flusters there, but you know that was it all worked
out? Should have known. You throw it to me first, you said
a bit so much. I'll give an hounible mention to no no, no,
I can't put on the list. So that's gonna live on throughout this
podcast, and we're gonna put that in one of our movies. I'm probably
just gonna name a character no Alda though, We're just gonna fucking rip it
off. I don't care. Uh. Number five, this was a really
tough one for me. I know people might go the other way, but
I'm gonna go the conquest takeover. I know people might say, like,
oh, Rise is the better version. As I've said before, I just
find that more scary the score the way the apes are. They're more violent.
As I've said, I hate that the speech happens at the end,
but I can just cut off and say the scene is the takeover. So
because again with Rise, it's like this cheer moment, as I said before,
you're cheering for the apes to get away. This is like a fuck
man, like those times when the cops turn down the alley and you just
say oh and you just see like there's like hundreds of apes and grills can
be like with guns and weapons, like, oh my fucking god, Like
there's just something They are brutal in that scene. They are justifiable, but
they're starting to turn. So that's my one at number five, and then
at number four I got the Coba takeover. That's when the power's back on.
Everyone's really excited, and then Coba and his new klan just fuck shit
up. This has multiple things of one just the battles really good too.
There's great stuff of like, oh, god, was Caesar's before he was
fucking gunned down my harels? And he was Cornelius, right, wasn't Correlias
is the youngest, right he was? Yeah? But whatever, his son
Corny whatever, his son was Like he's having those moments where he's seeing apes
go down or he sees a grilla go down. He's like, this isn't
the right thing. And then it caps off with that one shot of Kobe
gets on that tank and they put that camera on the tank and it's like
spinning while he's driving. So just like lots of good moments within the scene
sets number four, Blue Eyes right, blue Eyes number three. It's a
subtle scene is probably just because it's sad for me and every time I go,
no, I don't want to fucking go this way. But another scene
for war, which I think is still under rated. I'm saying Caesar Maurice's
last conversation where Maurice is just kind of happy that they made it. They're
here with all the apes, and Caesar's got something else going on. This
fan's on like his last few minutes and Maurice's sigh languaging him and everything.
But then they have a great conversation when he dies. I'm always sad and
you get that moment where God, you see Cornelius sees him and he sees
his dad who finally like he lost his mom, his brother, and finally
they're here in safety, but he loses his dad. All the apes raising
up with the apes strong like man. It's it's a moment. It's sad.
I hate it, but I love it and the way it's like at
least put together. And number two, I didn't get no all thell no,
but I got Caesar's no one here because I think that's a good build
up of he just talks to that gorilla. But it's more just that whole
movie you knew he was gonna talk about. It was a great thing about
the promotional marketing. They didn't show Caesar talks. He thought, oh,
this is like two thousand, you know, aughts of what maybe they're gonna
make a more realistic plan the apes where the apes don't talk. Maybe it's
just they're smart and they're clever. But when it was in Rise, the
very first note like no, like that, like that first one when he
like it comes out and you got Malfoy's fucking just like Hey's looking up there,
and I think it's done really well because again, like I said,
the marketing didn't show them talks. He thought, oh, maybe not go
that way. And then Offsee starts talking later on, but that first knowing
because like we joke about it, but the word no does mean so much
in plan the apes, so the fact that is Caesar's first word and plays
into the legend so absolutely. And then number one twist. There's a number.
Honestly, I could have this whole list. I want some variety of
just the first movie, like the humans getting captured could be won uh when
they are even walking, like the score, and there's some photography we talk
about like just that is going on good there, even the trial, some
of the shootout stuff. But I gotta go with the twists. His capture
that's another one. But you know, you blew it up. Yeah,
Bastard's like has to just act as ass off for Nova's just looking around like
a fucking idiot, like where are we? But it's such a good,
good moment of just like again that realization of I gotta get back home.
It's like, fuck, no, you've been home this whole time. It's
like that has to be the worst that you like. Of course, like
I gree with Kirkle, like the Abraham Lincoln is bad, but I don't
know if it's like something about like for me, it's like that could have
some hope where this is like there's no hope whatsoever here, Like you were
on on the Plan the apes and it's over for you. So that's a
that's my number one the twist. It's a classic scene. So mister feel
just forgot to shout out the mad House moment too. That one is uh,
Mada, dude. Charle Heston just carried carried that first movie. Absolutely,
I will say carried, but like he elevated that he brought up so
good and man, I wish I was still lied to be in some of
these movies. So go to Heston retro on these days when we're when we
hit our eighties. That's we'll do the retro that the retross. No.
I was trying to put heston and retro together the hetro, but that didn't
sound good because you know hestrott some Yeah, giving me order this sider of
the hestro Taylor, save us, get us. What are your top five
scenes? Okay, so my number five, well, actually honorable mentions.
Honorable mentions. Uh, having I hear an echo in the background, let's
throw me off. Yeah, so I'm gonna put I'm gonna put'st me nuts,
I'm gonna put fade And this is an honorable mention. Fade basically like
scoping out with this crash ship Mark Wahlberg ship was the two gorillas like showing
him around and then they just like draping his hands on their chest and then
like turning around like jumping thirty feet, like showing like stuff of nightmares.
Yeah, we gotta put We gotta make a hunter or someone do the forum
attack man. Yeah. Uh, what else do we got here? We
got COVID charging on horseback with dual assault rifles. That's definitely honorable mention.
Oh, just honorable mentions. We're here, that's honorable that's horriable mention.
Yeah, same as the thead scene that was honorable mention. That was honorable
mention as well. I thought you gave us a five. And then I'll
mention the uh every picky in War for Plant of the Apes, there's a
scene where Caesar and his company are chasing bad Ape and I just love the
score. The kicks in and they're running, they're riding their horses in the
snow and like bad Ape like shoots the trees the shotgun like they're chase.
It's just such a cool, like quick cut, high octane scene. Uh.
I just really really like it. And then number five Mark Wahlberg returning
home to see fade in Lincoln's chair. Wow, that one is. It's
just such a crazy, crazy turn of events there. Number four, Uh,
Copa pretending to drink booze, act dumb and then just fires off the
gun and just fucking terrifying, just terrifying. Uh. Number three also Don
Maurice basically in the tent with the kid, just like reading the books and
the music kicks it. It's just such a humbling moment and I love that
those I love those moments where it's just yeah, it's just a connection here
between ape and human really really really really profound. Uh. Number two,
Taylor finds the Statue of Liberty. That's just that's crazy, crazy crazy.
I forgot I one more audible mention actually was Don Sneaking. Caesar is in
He's in his old home, James frank Go's home in Don and he's pulling
out the home videos and that score kicks in. It's just like, oh,
that's just makes me tear up my number one. Uh. Also from
Don Uh, Caesar strolls up to the gates of this whole Ape army and
just the dialogue there and that that scene, it's it's it's it's my favorite
fucking scene when he's like, do not come back, and the score kicks
in, like don't, dun't, and then he turns and then it's just
a slow shot of Coba and Coba just like stares at Uh the fucker from
Terminator I can't remember his name. Yeah, he like stares at him and
like just like moves his lips around and like Jason Clark is just like m
s turrying around and leaving. He's just like getting so horny. He's like
humping this horse you gotta watch Sasquatch Sunset. Coba fuck Malcolm, no Coba,
no human Coba Coba work it is, oh god, all right,
top ten. I didn't even know it seems. I still don't even exactly
know what's you're talking about, Taylor. That's what I said. Where they
come up and they're like Coba human cola fuck human homes is. Tom Yeah,
he has Maury's all right, Kirkly in your top ten characters top ten
characters, all right, starting at the honorable mentions, I have Raka from
the Previous Kingdom. I thought he was just so fantastic. Not enough screen
time to make it on the top ten, but he very memorable character.
I also have General Thad here. He didn't quite make it on my top
ten list unfortunately, but he's still iconic, alright. And then I got
the Malcolm's here. I got Malcolm from don And then I have Malcolm McDonald
from Conquest, who is kind of like Caesar's like coach in his ear when
Caesar's ready to burn the whole earth down, remember when he's like Caesar,
no, I'm not doing it justice. It's the uh, it's like the
presidents or like Chancellor's guy like right hand man, who is is his name
Malcolm mcdowald. That that's Malcolm McDonald. Okay, I say McDowell. I
think he did, and I was very confused. But no, I get
now McDowell's on the on the brain. But no, I feel like all
those characters have, well the two Malcolms at least have like just really good
like moral alignment for the apes, like and like the Malcolm from Dawn,
he's a good representative of like the good humans. I guess, like really
trying there. They didn't talk, you know Malcolms. Yeah, now I
remember right when he's like he's the one that talks him down the end,
like no to fuck us Malcolm Malcolm two time. But okay, it's like,
okay, he's an honorable mentions Okay, yeah, why didn't why did
none of us put best? See in the whole Caesar headshake in the in
Conquest? You know, remember when he when he's going to eat salt and
on a freaking he's like no, like I got about that. That's what?
Okay. On my top ten list here number ten, I have Zius
zayas doctor doctor Zius character that like I really didn't care for at all.
But I feel like as we're going through them, he's just kind of crafty
and like he's got a lot more than what he portrays, which makes him
interesting. Sit down, you see what he knows and like with no no
cameras or mics or like everyone around there. Yeah, like podcast, get
him lickered up like they did a zero remember and she revealed the baby,
get a couple of drinks and zius. He's got some fucking stories, I
bet. Oh yeah, yeah, you know, I fucked a human.
Yeah, bottomized them the way around so I could remember for a split second.
Number nine, Uh, similar human to my there Malcolms that I mentioned.
I have Armando here, the uh zoo keeper guy, just he just
has so much charism. Yeah oh yeah, so much charism, charisma.
And another another human that like just represents, you know, the good qualities
of what he could be. So uh and then he's just he's like a
fucking sex machine. I'm sure that guy we were talking about, he's just
his his presence that he has, he just has so much to him.
But uh yeah, okay. And then number eight, I have Noah from
the previous Kingdom movie. I thought he was a fantastic protagonist for that movie,
and you know, it's a it's a daunting tastic I'm into a brand
new series following Caesar and like that to be the protagonist. But I really,
I really like Noah. I thought he was fantastic, so okay,
going from that, I have the great and powerful no Although no Here,
oh my god, had to be I had to be the probably my favorite
gorilla amongst the whole series. No, he's he's fantastic. I wish he
was in more movies than what he was, but definitely, like the meme
pick lifted him up so much more than what he probably should have been.
But yeah, no, no Aldo, No, no no. After that,
I have Coba Here, definitely one of the better villains in the entire
series. But No, I think he's really interesting because he's justified and for
the most part of what he's doing. You know, maybe shooting Caesar like
a little bitch in the dark of night wasn't the best way to do it,
but he truly hated humans, and I feel like he just represents that
hatred that the apes should be feeling towards them, especially like he's got the
scars from being experimented on. So I yeah, he's really great and a
character that kind of lives on past. Well, I yeah, I know
he's in all three movies technically, right, because he starts a rise big
Don character and then just the after effect of kind of what he did to
Caesar's psyche for that for that other one. So yeah, where am I
right now? I think I'm top five? Now number five? I have
Maurice my favorite Orangutang. He's he's just so wonderful and pretty silent of a
character for the most part. But uh no, he's or does he say
any words? Actually, don't remember. I just talked about the last scene
he talks with Oh yes, and then in Dogs Run, remember when they're
about the fuck out and they won't stop. Okay, big four? Here
I got Cornelius Zerra. There's my number three. Like I I I knew
they were gonna be together, like I like zero a little bit more,
but now they're fantastic. I feel like Roddy McDowell could just be a character
in and of himself because he's probably so many different issue is still alive,
so you could still be playing Caesar, you know, yeah, he would
be step aside Andy Andy Serkis, Yeah, he could play Rocket and then
the Big two here, uh number two. I did Child and Neston.
He's just not enough movies, but man, he's he's iconic. And then
yeah, Caesar is my number one. He's just a very great character,
well written, staying true to his morals for the most part of the entire
you know, war, he's kind of deviating, but he's kind of at
his wits end. He was his family and just yeah, the whole powerful
effect that he had on the apes. It's felt throughout all of his movies,
including Kingdom and Yeah, just really great character. Absolutely all right,
honorable mentions. Yeah, I'll shout Roca I liked him a lot. I
almost had him on there. Armando another good one, almost had him on
there. I'll shout it all though. Why not because all those all though
you know, he's great, not on the top ten, on the top
ten, he couldn't couldn't get him a spot there. So number ten.
I got more Reese because I like Maurice, but he's just been requieter and
he is even I can't even remember if he's in the first one. Technically
he no, he is right him Caesar Ball in there, right, but
anyway, so just because that, but he is, you know, he's
very silent, he's very to himself, but still is a great impact on
the story and on Caesar. So I got him at ten. I got
Doctor Zias at number nine, so I got the rank danks to the bottom
again, same thing. I wish there was like a little bit more with
him because I feel like they just scratch the surface of what she could do
with that character in the first one. But I think he's still a great
antagonist who has his reasons. Number seven didn't think he'd be on there,
or sorry, number eight didn't think he'd be on here, but they eight
I put him on there. I really enjoy I think that is almost like
we talked about Hesson, that's tim Roth bringing it. If that's another actor
in there, maybe I don't have the same feeling. But he's scary.
He's a good antagonist. He's almost in the way where he's the anti COVID,
where he's not really justified, but he just plays a great piece of
shit, you know, and you want to see him brought down. Number
seven, I got Noah on there. Maybe could climb in the future,
but was a great lead. I like the Bleed very much, enjoyed him,
did not enjoy him as much as my six pick, who's also from
that movie. May. As I said in the review, I really yeah,
I really enjoyed this character because I love that she was sympathetic towards the
Apes, a friendly character, but was also having to be cutthroat. Where
most times we meet those friends the humans, those are the ones like,
oh, well, I don't really like Malcolm, I don't want to hurt
the Apes and stuff. Fucking may She'll fucking flood a bunch of apes and
kill them all if that means she can get out of there and help the
humans out. And she's completely justified, right that mo in the end when
she goes to talk with Noah and Raye Bred like see if anything's all good,
But she has her fucking hand on a rifle and she's ready to go.
So there's just something of like, really liked the choices they gave this
human. It wasn't like it's a character that could go against apes, but
it's not like the classic It's kind of what I tumble on in the review
of like what I imagine Gary Oldman's character would have been like if he was
in the movie, be more right of Hey, I'm gonna take all these
apes. I don't care what the situation is. They're killing my people.
Fuck them. It's like, yeah, he's right, and same thing.
May. There's nothing she does in here. He's a questionable and it's unfortunate,
but it's all makes sense. So I really May and I hope she
comes back. Unmuch like Kirkling here, they're a little lower, but the
combo of five cornelius four zero great, they gotta go where they go,
great deals, they carry con or they carry escape and god, what am
I? It's just escape, I guess. But even like Beneath, I'll
see Rodney's not back, Roddy carries conquests and battle like I think battles a
lot worse if Roddy's not there. So they put them a lot work and
they're just likable. They're just two of the most likable apes they are in
this franchise. I guess I have one above them, but here might be
a controversial, controversial one. But number three I got Taylor Charlton Heston.
I love him, but just again, maybe we got more and in uh,
you know, great character but maybe there's a These other two just had
a bit more meat on the boone where Charlton Heston is playing a fun character
that his hes isms. So that's why at number two I'm surprised to do,
but I got Covid there. I think Coba is just like a fascinating
interesting characters, So that's why I put him against Heston, where like you
said, Hesson's just like they're laugh there to smoke, there to fuck.
You know, He's great, he brings it. He's a great character.
He lifts that movie so much. I'd love to see that. I'd love
to see that Taylor character in every sci fi movie. Star Wars put him
on the fucking alien ship. Imagine that. Imagine him an alien. Oh
my god, him on the crew so big too, it probably just grabs
enolare. Yeah, the XENOMORPHO is looking up at him. You know,
that's a big and just his cock. It's like the Little Mermaid meme,
but it's like the alien xenomorph with Hessen's cock. An I'm gonna fuck you
now, no, no, midnight, I'm making the Heston I mean double
melves out Kenny stop. Yeah. And then finally number one Caesar, just
fantastic character. Andy Sircus brought so much. Again, of course that character
got three movies, but sometimes characters get three movies, like you know,
Cornelia Standings and up there. But Caesar, that we literally see the journey
from birth to death of that character done so well, so many layers between
the growing one and rise to the leader in Dawn to the falling leader in
War. Yeah, just a triumphant but tragic character. But yeah, Caesar
number one. So Taylor, your characters, all right? My honorable mention
I got here is Colonel Atar from the two thousand and one part of the
Apes. That guy was just fucking crazy, is that? Michael Clark Duncan.
Yeah, that's a good one. Okay, can do that, Okay,
number do I have too many in here? Han? I'm on two,
three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,
ten. All right, okay, So we got another honorable mention. Then
the other gorilla from that movie, Krawl. I really liked him. He
was kind of like going with Mark Wahlberg's crew and was just kind of like
the one that Duncans kills. Yes, yeah, Krookland completely does not remember
this character at all. He's looking watch that movie. Yeah, I'm looking
wait shay up and with that movie, my dear l just way not so.
My number ten sneaking in there is Taylor. Shs Taylor, Uh fucking
your number ten is Charlton Heston. Yes, oh my god, Kirkland's redeemed.
Get him out of here. This list is terrible. Taylor said,
number ten, what I am, honestly like I when I look at my
list, I am full on just I'm all apes, like I don't have
a thing for He was the only human. I'll give you that. Then
I was gonna say, if Marky Mark was above him, We're gonna have
fucking no no, no, I'm I am all apes on this ranking list
right here, Taylor. Number nine is uh doctor Zias. I think yeah,
I think you're right, Chravis. You can just put a drink in
him or two and he's gonna be talking. You're and you know he's mad
human racist too, right, he'll slide it in there too, so many
doctor terms against humans, you know, a couple more drinks. You know
he's not he's not subtle, he's straight up just yeah, sound like your
grandpa on a Tuesday. Number eight, I got faye this he's just as
scary, scared to live and ship out of me. So yeah, I
wish Charleston Hesson's Taylor and Thede met, you know, like I know they
Charlton Hesson played his dad, but I miss I wish other met than I
would love to see what happened there. If Saya's met they too, they
would just be I'm sure they both be racist together. Yeah, he has
to still kick this ship, they though, just let it be known.
He wouldn't have needed to lock him glass. He would just close his eyes
and just you can take on the Zeno War, you can take on the
fuck Yeah. Number seven, Professor Virgil. I got a huge, just
kind of fandom of this character. I think it's just the Orangutangs in general.
Uh, but Professor Virgil was in Battle for the Planets. Yeah,
and so I just I love that you have this guy going on the missions
with with everyone, and he's just such a fun guy, just dishing all
the facts, Like when the teacher's like no, all, no, no,
and then Virgil's like, oh you said the one word that is forbidden.
He's just dishing ow mad facts. So I just gotta I got a
soft spot for Professor Virgil. I'm surprised he so high. I'll say that
he's high. Yeah. After that. Number six, we got Noah.
Noah was just fantastic, completely in this in this latest Kingdom of the Planet
of the Apes. Really love that character. I think he goes on a
great journey of development, like I look forward to seeing what come becomes of
him. Next. Uh. Number five, we got Caesar. I absolutely
love Caesar up here. He's just fantastic. You're talking like the Rony mcdallas
Caesar, right, the Circus Caesar God. Number five, just fantastic,
just fantastic, fantastic. Number four the Og Cornelius. I love Cornelius so
much. He's just such a fun character. And I love his dynamic with
with Zias or with Zira he and especially just him with with Taylor and seeing
him too in just the human world as well, just seeing him in different
environments. He's just a character. I'm really happy we got so many films
with really really like the the Og Cornelius. He's definitely speaking to the nostalgia
of me. Number three we got Koba. This character is just incredible and
he's he's a huge reason why I'll always go back to don don you have
the score and you have so many sentimental moments, the heaviness of it.
But Cooba alone is just such a powerful contender. It's just one of the
most iconic characters that I'll remember for a long long time. Just he's as
far as villains go, he's just so man. He's just evil. He's
fucking evil, and he's just, yeah, just an embodiment of evil.
Number two Raka again, this is the Rangutis. I don't know. I
love Raka. He seeing him, actually seeing Raka die was absolutely just brutal.
I really love this character. I love that he was the embodiment of
Caesar's character. It just kind of like his teachings and continuing that on and
in this new era of ape generations later. I just think he's just such
a a little bit of humor too. I really appreciate it. So he
was he was a really fun character to engage with. And the number one
is Maurice. Fuck. I love Maurice since day one. I've always been
a number one Maurice fan. I I think he's just he's just he's wise,
He's Caesar's best bud. I I think Maurice is just absolutely fantastic.
I I true, true and true Maurice fan right here. Oh, that's
that's impressive. That's high. It's the wild List. Yeah alright. Kirkland
end us Off ranked ten Plan the Apes movies. Okay, don't even flick
at my list at first, because I'm gonna start off with Beneath, which
I'm assuming that will be. It could be shocked if we don't share that.
Okay, Number ten I Beneath of the Planet of the Apes. Number
nine I have Plant of the Apes one. Number yeah, ten nine eight.
Battle for the Planet of the Apes would make you like Battle Over the
remake more. I think that the the just like the sexual energy that the
two thousand and one movie has is something that I was not expecting, and
then when I rewatched it, I'm just like, yeah, this is not
really what I want for my Planet the Apes movies. I think it's definitely
a better made movie probably like production wise, it's definitely two thousand and one,
and also years and years later, the Apes look a lot cooler.
I guess with the action you got maybe a better care. Yeah, I
guess you could make an argument that might be slightly higher. But like it's
pretty pretty close. I feel like I feel like for my next well at
least for Battle and my next one, which is Conquest, those ones are
pretty pretty close in my rankings. Here Escape is where we're going next.
That one does a slight jump up. I quite like the just the flip
of putting the apes like in the same situation that Heston was in that first
one, and just kind of how that dynamic shifts with the different societal I
don't know, just reactions to what they're dealing with with the with the apes
being there, with the humans being there for the first one with Heston,
but you know, I thought it was fun. I think it definitely gets
weaker near the end, and just a fucking wild murder of a mother and
father and then the baby. Yeah, it's wild, But I really like
the concepts and the ideas of what it had, and just the start of
it too, when we have our astronauts and then the reveal of the apes
is fun. Yeah. Where am I now up from there? This is
where we're jumping in the circus ones. I got War for the Planet of
the Apes really was. I've only seen it once and the first time was
on this retro and yeah, I was pretty let down with the villain being
Woody Harrelson. Was really looking forward to that character, and I felt quite
let down by that one. And yeah, it's it's still a good movie.
Above that, I have Kingdom, really fun time, What a wonderful
day that was, and every day that's followed since. But yeah, I
was pretty disappointed with the rushness of the of the end third act. But
yeah, still still a really great movie, introduced us some great characters,
and I can't wait for the next one. After that, I have Rise
of the Planet of the Apes. Yeah, no, it just starts off
this journey, and I remember loving that movie the first time i'd seen it,
and I feel like I've liked it slightly less every time. However,
like especially after now that I've seen like Dawn and Kingdom and War, like
those ones are just higher quality, I think than what the Rise one is.
Maybe it's just because it's an older like it's twenty eleven compared to where
we are now twenty twenty four with Kingdom coming out, but just the yeah,
I don't know what it is. It just seems a little bit lesser
now in hindsight. Still top three, so yeah, and then my second
favorite Planet of the Apes movies of all time is the original Planet of the
Apes. I think that movie is a ten out of ten. It's somewhat
dated, and by somewhat, I mean it's it's the concepts that they tackle
is very like ahead of its time. But I just think like the I
don't know, just just maybe certain interactions with some orangutans and just the inner
workings of the apes. I I just think it's done better and like maybe
later films, but no, they have some really high end concepts and Heston
man, he's just he's so fucking amazing in that movie. Yeah, no,
it's great. It's what started us off on this journey way back in
the sixties. So yeah, great movie. And then my number one being
done of the Planet of the Apes, and yeah, that that one is
just so much more rewatchable, I think in my mind than the original.
Like the original one is still very rewatchable, but that one is just so
well made. Like the apes look fucking i's gonna say human, but they
look real real, and uh yeah, it's just a lot of moving pieces
in that movie with the like who our main villain of the movie is I
really like just the the moral gray area that kind of everyone can be looked
at in that movie, and uh yeah, really well made, introduces some
some great human characters as well, and yeah, don's just that chef's kiss
right there. But yeah, no, I'm that's my that's my list.
Definitely. I feel like I could see, like how you brought up like
the two thousand and one Apes movie. I could see some of those moving,
but the bottom, the bottom one definitely remaining where it's gonna be.
And like my top four or five after that, I think those are really
solid there in my rankings at least. All right, I'm gonna agree with
you on Beneath that's always gonna be and that's like an own tier by itself,
like that has nothing like it's completely far away in other Yeah no,
not an eights movie. So yeah, that's number ten for me. Number
nine I got Battle, the number eight is the remake. I just I
think this list is just based a bit more on like what do I want
to watch more, because there's variations of good to great to men here,
and for me it's like I like some concepts in Battle, but then there's
some stuff just like again, I really don't like a lot of the human
stuff in there, and I just I don't know. There's somens where it's
just drags a little where Apes two thousand and one, it could be a
worse movie, but I don't think it drags at least, And I got
something as good as like tim Roth in there. So that's where I am.
And then kind of in the same elk of that for seven and six.
For seven I have Escape, and then for six I got Conquest.
I went back and forth on that one. I think Escape might be a
better I think Escape is a better movie, but I like the inner workings
of Conquests, and I love seeing the kind of okay future where the Apes
are going, what's gonna happen. I like seeing the you know, the
new season played by Roddy, and I again, I'm a big fan of
the takeover. I'm a big fan of that third act. So that's what
really puts it towards me. And that's the only thing that I have Rise
at number five. That was my biggest tough thing is Conquest and Rise.
Same thing. I think Rise is still a better movie, and I think
if Conquest stuck with the ending the original one maybe it would be higher rise,
I just as we rewatch it. I just don't care about the humans.
I do for the first act, and then it drops off that sort.
It's like, that's why it's not higher, and that's why it's on
a similar wavelength to Conquest. But I still still gave it the edge there.
Number four, I got Kingdom. I don't think that would climb.
I think my top three is pretty solidified. I think, and I,
if anything, maybe could drop a low rise, but I know I think
I'm always gonna prefer Kingdom because I like the apes aesthetic, postpocalyptic sort of
jungle and everything a bit more than Rise or rises labs and houses. I
get why they had to do that for the first one. It's the origin,
right, But for me, I'm always gonna lean towards a planet of
Apes in a sense before versus the before war for the plan Apes. Like
said, at times, I've given this like a perfect score on the Retroid
didn't because we talked about some things where I see, oh yeah, that
could be an issue. That is an issue, but I still think it's
underrated. But obviously it's a very mixed one on our discord. Everybody just
like Wars is a very divided one where I feel like you either really love
it or it's like last or very low in the Circus trilogy. But yeah,
War it's a dreadful movie in a good way. Hard to watch at
times, but it's heavy, and I think they it's a good ending to
the trilogy. And this is one that you got to ask me every day
of the week. I can make a case for both, but just for
the history, I'm gonna put Dawn at second and plan the Apes the original
number one. I think you can make the case that Dawn is a better
movie, but at the same time, it's like, of course it should
be because it was made in the odds right, like like for what they
did, and like we talked about unfortunately, the conversations they have and plant
apes are conversations we'll have today. And that's how far ahead of time we
talk about, just stuff like I love Michael Giacchino, but to me,
it doesn't match like what Jerry Goldsmith does in that movie. Hessen's a great
lead. So yeah, I think there's some things. Like I said,
it's that one's like a one A one B. I really could make a
case that's why I really want to make like a top ten sci fi movies,
and I would probably argue them both beyond there for different reasons. I
think they just do very different things. Like I think Dawn is like that
Apes epic, but then like it sounds weird, but Plan the Apes now
in retrospect to these movies feels like that independent version of Apes, like oh,
she's gonna be a dude and he lands or and he goes in the
colony. So and there's just certain things of those movies that they meet up
and do that they don't in the other ones, and I hope they never
so, uh yeah, that's where I am. I'll put the original number
one probably hinted Nostalagia there, but I'll give it the respect it deserves it
number one, So Taylor take us home and please tell me, uh,
you share the same bottom as us. Number ten beneath the Play of the
Apes down there, Number nine, Conquest to the Planet of the Apes.
Really, that's that's low why so low. I enjoy parts of it,
but when I'm stacking against all these other films that I have a lot more
likings too, and I think of just the way the Conquest feels like it's
very not claustrophobic, but it feels like it's one set piece like revisited again
and again and again. And I guess it's fine. It's a dystopian kind
of future, so I get that and it's fine. But yeah, for
me, it just put it. Put it in nine. There's other things.
I like War in the other that one was like Battle for the Planet
of the Apes. I do enjoy that. You get Yep, Virgil and
a few other characters in there too, all though it's definitely riveting. And
number seven, Escape for the Planet of the Apes. I really really like
this one. It's something that I always got excited about when I start my
marathons for Apes getting to this one and seeing Cornelias and Zerra going into the
past, going to the human world and just the dynamics unfold. It's a
fun time. And number six I have Arise the Planet of the Apes.
Oh my god, but I just we'll get there. I just like,
I thought, there's a certain movie that shouldn't be past the Circus trilogy,
but it definitely is. I was gonna say, A Rise for You is
pretty low too, Travis. Wasn't it like four it's five top five halfway
one more than Taylor. Yeah, but it was it wasn't a below a
certain movie that's coming on this list. So yeah, I think Rise of
the Planet of the Apes being there, it's it's definitely one that I'm not
rushing to rewatch probably anytime soon. Those other ones in my top five that
I feel like I could I could go to before this one for sure.
Number five Plant of the Apes two thousand and one. This one has really
it's age good for me, and if it was to pop in theaters,
i'd watch it. I think I'm really happy that we revisited this one in
this retro and that it stands good. I got a nostalgic sauce spot for
it. If it comes back in theaters, I'm there with you, Taylor,
I'll see. I would see it. I think we have a good
experience. But I don't think that's ever gonna happen, so we don't have
to worry about that. Like maybe Bernie's I could well that it would be
the for that reach, you know, or even on the circus ones,
they'll play fucking beneath before they do Rise. I think my number four is
the original plan of the Apes. Oh uh, it's It's definitely a top
fiver, But I have three other ones that i'm I'm I'm putting down first
before I revisit that one, which isn't bad again. Top five Top five
Number three Kingdom of Planet of the Apes. I really fucking love this movie
again. It's my number one of the year right now. It's just so
damn good, really really love it. Number two War for the Planet of
the Apes. I love how this one is just it piggybacks off of my
number one and it just continues to hold that. The messaging and the heaviness
and the score, there's so much. I'll just I'll never forget doing that
that marathon with Rise Don and War and ending on War, and it was
just it was such a such a crazy experience. And so War definitely deserves
that number two slot for me. I wish I could have been there.
You're You're busy, You're you had you had a reasonable doctor's note. And
my number one is Don the Planet of the Apes. This movie is just
absolutely it's perfect. It's just perfect. The score, the story, everything
that goes on here, it's just absolutely great. And it's one is something
I'll revisit many, many a time. I created my apes playlist because it's
just there's so many good tracks just to dive into. It's called a baby
on Nothing but man, there's so many business tracks from Kingdom Out. Yeah,
I have one track from Kingdom in there because we're listening to it.
It did not actually hit home as hard as it I thought it was.
It's better in the movie, but this there's one track from Rising Here No
to Sorry. The rest is literally all majority is from War and then a
few from Dawn that are really good. But War was just that soundtrack was
the best. Send me that link, Taylor Fox Everything, that's the top
song, Copa Fox Everything. Yeah there in Yellow Jon, we have done
it. We will do re ranking if needed to in a few years.
When the new comes out, sting at Malcolm, he does that half ripped
tongue. What do you do it if your Malcolm? Are you running to
the fucking hills? Do it back like there's there's that's what they do that
in scaring movie to remember when the girl that's possessed in the precinct man Father
for yeah, you just gotta mind. Oh covid is the double look he
looks at that guy first, then he looks over at Gary Oldman doesn't blank
either. He's coming back, meets back on the menus. That's it.
That's the ranking for plants. We are done a plan of the apes retrospective.
Man, that was a fun one. Lots of good conversation about uh,
you know, social issues and prejudice issues. But then we also had
tons of fun along the way. Know all the no ape Han jobs now
and the retros given us Coba the sex machine, you never know, and
yeah, little brand, shut a little brand. And finally, because who
knows what we'll talk about next, shout out to Charle motherfucking Heston. Man,
that guy is just like Charlton. By the way, Charle, I
forgot that s late, but uh yeah, man, I hope I hope
we get to retro him again at some point in the future. What I
don't know, but man, what an absolute legend and that that even retrospect
was great. So thank you and everybody that tuned into these retros when you
here from the next one were born. Bye.