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Or you can text the program Sports Radio to twenty one thousand. Couple of
things here. As we get rolling here in the second hour, I had
mentioned just before we replayed the interview with James Edwards from the Athletic hope you
enjoyed that. I thought it was very revealing and we'll get into the pistons
here in a moment. But I said just before then, I said,
we're going to talk a little bit about one of our pole questions. And
one of the pole questions, we have two of them on there, and
one of them is should Connor McDavid win the con Smyth even if Edmonton loses
the series. This trophy has been awarded fifty eight times. It's given to
a player from a team that lost in the Stanley Cup Finals just five times.
One was a Red Wing. Roger Krozier of the Red Wings, even
though they lost in the Stanley Cup Finals, was named the Con Smyth Trophy
winner in nineteen sixty six, Glenn Hall of the Saint Louis Blues. Two
years later nineteen sixty eight, the Blues lost to the Stanley Cup Finals,
but he was named the Con Smyth Award winner. Ron Hextall for the Philadelphia
Flyers inteen maybe seven, They lost, but he was named the Count Smith
winner. And Jean Sebastian Jaguere of the Mighty Ducks Savannaheim in two thousand and
three. They lost, but he was named the Count Smith winner. What
do all those men have in common? Exactly? They're all goaltenders. Connor
McDavid, one would guess, even if they lose, would be named the
Con Smythe Award winner. He's been the best player in the series. He's
been the best player in the playoffs based on what well points are important?
You know, I mean, who else you're going to choose? So my
son and I were talking about this the other day. Who else you think
you're gonna do it? Because McDavid has led the playoffs in scoring by a
wide margin eight points better than his teammate. By the way, Leon dry
Sittle in his line might it's Pathwayne Gretzky for most assists in his Stanley Cup
playoffs. That's impressive. So I think he's been correct me. If you
think I'm wrong here, feel free to join us. I think he's been
the best player in the playoffs. I don't think there's much doubt about that.
I suppose some people may try to make a case, and I think
it would be fair for Leon dry Siddle. He's got ten goals, but
he's got twenty eight points. Matthew k Chuck, He's been really good for
Florida. He's probably been their most consistent player. Alexander Barkoff, but he
he went through a little bit of a stretch of the last couple of games
where it hasn't been all that great. Gustaf Foresling, but he's a defenseman.
You're not gonna you know. That's I know Nick Lidstrom has won it
before for the Red Wings, but that's just a that's a tough one when
you're giving up as many even though you don't always look at one defenseman get
up thirteen goals the last couple. Sam Reinhardt was their best offensive player all
season long. He's a free agent, by the way, but that's you
know, you want to throw his name in there. I think you're reaching
if that's the case. Anyway, that's one of the poll questions. You
can vote as often he you'll like, follow us on x x'es and bros
what used to be Twitter, and voters off and hes you like, and
we'll give you the results on Monday. Okay, we're going to do it
on Monday. Here's the other thing somebody had. I don't know if they're
associated with the Golf Channel. Earlier in the week we were talking about the
US Open Rory McElroy. One of our poll questions then was did macelroyd lose
it? Or did Shambo win it? Your overwhelming response was McElroy lost it.
John Rahm came out and said, you don't realize how difficult to put
that was on eighteen, how it was curling left to right, and so
on and so forth. Somebody said, look, due to bogeying three of
the last four holes and what some would call a meltdown. Remember Bryson deshambo
bogeyed a relatively easy putt quote unquote on fifteen, but we don't bring that
up. My immediate thought was, well, that's because I mean, first
of all, McElroy again, Bogie. Three of the last four, and
two of those three sixteen and eighteen were three foot putts, And I'm not
saying they're easy. I've missed my fair share the hell of a lot less
on the line. But I don't get paid for a living to do it
either. He missed two putts that he had gone four hundred and ninety six
for four hundred and ninety six prior to then. That's really impressive, right,
you make four hundred and ninety six putts in a row from three feet
or closer. Those are you know, gimmes. And by the way,
they not all of those could be just you know, straight potts. So
when you make that many in a row and then you miss two of the
last three in similar fashion, people are bound to see, to feel and
say, what of course they are They're gonna go, you know what I
mean, choke, That's what they're gonna think. That's the first thing that
comes to mind. So I guess I'm a little confused with why people are
trying to So Deshambo missed a pot Okay, I thought it was uphill and
you thought it was straight. It was a little bit longer than mcloy's,
but that shouldn't matter. He missed it. Okay also redeemed himself also the
shot of the tournament, one of the best shots in the history of the
sport, at least from a major standpoint, was his chippin out of the
sand. And what's interesting about that is that Deshambo prior to that tournament,
when people asked him, he was doing a press conference, I believe,
what's the most difficult shot for you? And he said the fifty yard or
maybe it's maybe said fifty five sandshot. That's the one he struggles with.
Nobody in that tournament all weekend who was in that bunker were able to get
up and down for par until he did it as the member of the last
group and the second to last shot of the entire tournament, because Matthew Pomon
had to tap in for par. Something to be said for that, don't
you think when we come back JJ Reddick, now the Lakers head coach,
there's a report that there are four men coming in to talk about the Pistons
head coaching gig all four James Edwards just mentioned as part of our interview yesterday.
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six. Free Press yesterday indicating that they have confirmed that four men will come
in as candidates to interview for the Pistons job. One is Dallas Maverick's assistant
John Sweeney, one is Minnesota Timberwolves assistant Michael Nori. Another is New Orleans
Pelicans assistant James Barrego and former Cleveland Cavaliers coach JB. Bickerstaff. Barrego was
a guy who's familiar with trade and Langdon known. He had a four year
run as head coach in Charlotte from twenty eighteen through twenty twenty two. They
wanted him to rebuild that team. If you will remember, LaMelo Ball was
part of that, as James Edwards pointed out in the Athletic to us yesterday,
and we replayed this earlier he said, Look, this guy's a he's
considered one of the best better offensive mines in the league, so could he
be the right fit? Now? I wonder how many people think about this.
Coaches who take over teams like the Pistons oftentimes don't get a chance to
see that through. People feel like there are steps. You got to get
us to this, and then we get the next guy to get us to
hear. I can't say that I always believe in that, but for this
situation, when you're going to go from seventeen to fourteen to what number of
wins can you build upon? That, the belief is always, Like you
and I both know this, the belief is always one year you are reaching
a certain amount of victories a certain level, and that because of those wins
and that experience, you're going to what take the next step? Whatever that
step may be, Okay, maybe maybe from horrid to average, and it
might be then from average to solid, and from solid to very good,
and from very good to excellent, from excellent to championship material. I don't
know how you want to use that ladder, but people automatically think, especially
with the young teams, next year is going to be better pretty good example
of it right now is the Tigers. And I fell into the trap,
Okay, I did. I thought, this is a team that's going to
be better than last year because guys are going to grow. The front off
is going to do something in the off season to help them advance the victories
and the statistics and the experiences, and they haven't. Offense is much worse
than anyone expected. And you have to ask yourself, knowing the date that
it is right now, it's June twenty first, knowing that is this going
to be another long summer of losing baseball? It's fair to ask that question.
People feel like it can't get any worse. For the Pistons winning fourteen
games, right, isn't that the mindset? It's a franchise worst. They
lost twenty eight games in a row. No one had ever done that before
in the history of the NBA. Right, how can I get any worse
than that? I agree with you, And then I stop myself and I
think, wait a minute. In twenty twenty three they won seventeen games.
You know what I said at the end of that season, can't get any
worse. It did, And I'm not saying it's going to be worse.
I'm just the expected process doesn't always go the way we expect or want it
to. Unfortunately, so is James Barrigo. That guy is it the next
few years. We need to take this step and then the new guy comes
in with more experience. Folks, you remember the Tigers in the mid teens,
right, and we felt like, okay, they were a manager away
and what did they do? They brought in Brad Ostmas. One of the
worst decisions the organization has ever made. Right, would you agree with that?
You can talk about first overall picks Matt Anderson. You can talk about
draft picks in general or trades right Verlander, j D Martinez. You can
talk about free agent signings Haave Bias, disgruntled players, Juan Gonzalez, ridiculous
contract offers Juan Gonzalez. You can talk about all that stuff. Right,
Stupid decisions right now. I went off on a tangent the other day about
this. It's ridiculous to think that this is what people want. Better seats.
No, people want winning product. I'm not going to go into that
again, but you know we saw that, right, one of the worst
decisions ever made. Brad ausmis As a first year manager takes over a team
that is on the cusp of not just winning the division, winning games and
winning the division, but a World Series favorite, and it blows up in
their face. They needed a more seasoned manager, right. That was when
everyone was like bringing Ron garden Higher agreed one hundred percent. They got it
wrong. They went vice versa. They went ausmis with the veteran laden team
that was on the cusp of winning. Then when they decided to blow it
up bringing new guys, what do they do? They go with the old
school guy in Ron garden Higher, who, let's face it, took the
job because he was out of baseball, want on one last kick at the
can. Why don't owners get it? Why are you hiring people for a
money Monte Williams, The only reason he came back was money. I told
you that I did not like the hire. I don't know. The man
seems like a good enough person. Obviously has credentials to be a head coach.
Five winning seasons out of ten NBA Coach of the Year, led a
team to a Western Conference finals, but openly admitted I need a break.
I want to get away from this for a while. I don't want to
coach, and the only way you bring him back is I can't say no
to the It's money except for the rest of my life. Not that he
wasn't already. He's got sixty five million dollars over the next five years.
It doesn't matter where he goes. He's got a lounger somewhere. He's not
breaking down tape, he's not getting ready for his next job. This is
what he wanted. Anyway, or reason he came back is because of the
money. It's a wrong reason. Why would you bring him? Same thing
with Ron Garden higher The reasoning is off. So now with the pistons,
where are you going? Are you going a guy who can rebuild them?
Or are you going with a guy who can mold them? Is this the
next step? Is this the guy who's gonna get you to thirty five wins
and eventually forty wins and then you're gonna go sorry, we need that next
guy to get us to the playoffs and then be a championship contender. I
don't know the answer to that. I just know he's one of the four
guys, according to the Detroit Free Press, who is going to be interviewing
in person with Trajan Lane. We'll give you the other names and some of
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twenty one thousand. We were talking about the Free Press article that indicates four
men planned to interview at least so far for the vacant Pistons head coaching gig
I told you about James Barrego. Sean Sweeney is a Minnesota Timberwolve's assistant lead
assistant head of the defense for the Western Conference champion Dallas Mavericks. He was
also part of Dwayne Casey's staff for three years in Detroit, worked with Jason
Kidd in Brooklyn, and as James Edwards told you in our interview yesterday,
he was critical. He was really important in the development of Giannis Antete Campo,
who swears by Sean Sweeney. That's a pretty damn good endorsement. Now,
with that said, we've heard of other athletes and other men who've accomplished
things before give rave reviews about certain individuals, and that kind of convinced us
that it was the right hire at the time, before we find out it
wasn't. Case In point, Earnie of course, who accomplished a great deal
as various teams general manager in the NFL, strongly recommended Bob Quinn and the
Lions hired him, and we all know what happened there, right, Not
that this falls under the same example, but Peyton Manning went to bat for
Jim kaw Well. I like Jim Caldwell. I thought he was a really
good coach, especially Monday through Saturday Sunday. You could understand some head scratching
moments right that you and I may have had. I think every fan base
has that with their with their coaches in the NFL. So just because jannisante
Tekempo says, oh, Sewan Sweeney's the real deal, doesn't mean you hire
him. But it sure doesn't hurt right. You know what it is.
It's basically a reference. You apply for jobs, you hand in a resume,
they ask for references, You give them the references. This one just
happened to be a little bit more public and a little bit larger name than
most. So besides Barrego, besides Sweeny, the Free Press is also reporting
that Michaeh Nori, the New Orleans Pelican's assistant, is also in that mix.
He should be a familiar name because he's the lead assistant in Minnesota.
Chris Finch, the head coach there, remember when he had a problem when
he injured his his left knee was it his left knee whatever in a collision
in the first round playoff series against Phoenix and he had to sit in behind
the bench. It was Mike Nory who was kind of directing things. He
too, worked on Dwayne Casey's staff in Detroit for three years and he's had
stops in Toronto and Sacramento and Denver as well, So he's got a nice
resume that he's put together. And then the last is JB. Bickerstaff,
who you're familiar with as well as a head coach in Cleveland. Personally,
I would like to see Chris Quinn added to that list. James and I
talked about that yesterday. Guys worked under Eric Spolster since twenty fourteen. I
actually filled in for him as head coach a couple of years ago, So
I'd like to see that name added too. But the four, even though
they might not be huge names, so what at some point it's so interesting
in coaching if you look back and you wonder if a guy is like I
always bring up Joe Tory in this Joe Tory, would you consider I mean,
when you look at the all time great managers in baseball, would you
say that Joe Tory was one of them? Absolutely? Okay, He's a
Hall of Fame manager, all right, And the way he handles his staff,
the way he handled his players amazing, right. Helps to have talent,
there's no doubt about that. But to time manager of the Year,
won six penance, won four World Series. It's amazing, right. Look
at his record before the Yankees, Like, he goes to New York and
he wins ninety two and ninety six, one hundred and fourteen and ninety eight.
I mean, he's thrown up numbers and you're like Wow, it's incredible.
Prior to New York, though, back to back losing seasons in Saint
Louis nineteen ninety he finished ten games under five hundred. Under five hundred is
last year in Atlanta, and with the Mets, he didn't have one,
not one winning season. He's a player manage or seventy seven and then became
full time manager seventy eight, three eighty one. Not one winning season,
not a Hall of Fame manager. Sometimes you just you need a second chance,
or you need the right situation if you will, Okay, but sometimes
those big names, I mean, let's let's be honest. When Chuck Daily
came to this a long time ago, I get it. But when Chuck
Daily came to Detroit, and if you can recall, do you remember when
Chuck Daily came to Detroit? Did you know who he was? Like?
I think people people remember Dick Vitell. They knew Dick Vitell because he was
the head coach at the University of Detroit. Not the guy who was on
TV recently. But I'm talking about the coach they were remembered him with Terry
Tyler and Terry dou Rod and John Long at Uoud But did they Chuck Daily?
You didn't remember Chuck Daily. You didn't know about Chuck Daly as a
as a head coach? Hell no, you didn't know he was the coach
with the Philadelphia seventy six ers and that it was a mighty struggle there.
Did anybody anticipate him becoming the fifth coach in NBA history to went back to
back championships? Did anyone think that he would lead the Dream Team, the
original Dream Team, as the head coach. I don't think anybody did.
You couldn't have predicted that when he first came to Detroit. Many people consider
him a top ten coach, top fifteen coach at least in NBA history.
But as a head coach, Well, what I say, did I say?
Did I say Philadelphia? I'm I'm in Cleveland? Right, He came
from Cleveland, he was nine and thirty two and got fired. Then he
comes to Detroit. Then it maybe took a little bit to get his feet
under him, but he had a winning record and everything every single year he
was in Detroit until when I think, I think every year he had a
winning record. Then he goes to New Jersey and then Orlando, and then
he retires, But the point was when he came here from Cleveland, people
didn't know who he was. So keep an open mind, and I think
people have. I think Pistons fans have kept a very open mind when it
comes to who the next head coach of the Detroit Pistons going to be.
I think people recognize, they realize that the talent's really not there. It's
not as much the coaching. Sure, there were some huge mistakes made by
Monty Williams. It made no mistake. It made no sense whatsoever to start
anybody other than Jade and Ivy, and yet he goes with the guy who
eventually he cuts and is out of basketball. Right makes no sense. But
I think you should be okay with an assistant right now who's cut his teeth
and is now willing and earned an opportunity to be first time head coach.
I think it makes sense to do that with this team. I really do.
I don't think many people knew who Newsy. The loan was okay,
and then he takes over the Red Wings. Now, you may not be
happy with it, but there are plenty of There are plenty of examples of
guys who have bided their time and going on to be really good coaches or
gotten second chance. Kevin Cash is a good example of it. Anybody know
who Kevin Cash was before he took over in Tampa. No, see,
you do the research after. That's what I liked about James's article yesterday is
the fact that he brought up names right away. You know, people could
talk about why Monty Williams was fired and all this other stuff, But what
James did was bring up now, where do they go from here? Phone
number on the Meyer hotline eight sixty six eight three, eight forty eight forty
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looking at Kevin Cash real quick because he was a player, you know.
I mean, he was a player with Boston for a little bit. But
he's better known, obviously as a manager than he was as a player.
And he's been one of the better managers I think in baseball. I mean,
considering what he's had to deal with, considering the payrule that he's been
you know, challenged with, pretty damn good. But you never heard of
him. You'd take him now, though, wouldn't you? Absolutely? You
would really like the way, I know, going to bring up a Blake
Snell thing. I get all that, but I think he's I think he's
been really good and considering before he was the manager in Tampa. He he's
a guy who was a coach under Terry Francona with the Cleveland Indians, played
for Francona a little bit and got his shot and has it really looked back.
Then you get a guy like aj Hinch, for example, who started
in Arizona, was fired there, gets that second chance in Houston, wins
a championship and parlays that into more success. So there are a lot of
different ways to go about it, and I think right now is the perfect
time to have a lesser known guy as long as he knows what the hell
he's doing, you know, as somebody tweeted to us the other day.
As long as you get a coach who players listen to and he can develop
players. These men on this list, anyway, have proven track records of
being in organizations. I don't know if they've transformed a Giannis Anteta Compo,
for example, even though Ante Tecumpo gives Sean Sweeney a lot of credit for
that, but these men have been part of organizations that have seen a development
of specific players and younger players and key players to organizations. So whoever it
is tick comes in, they that has to be part of the criteria,
right Let's face it, the Pistons, at least according to fans, and
it sure seems like many many members of the NBA fraternity, they're not going
to draw the big name free agents unless you're overspending and you don't want to
do that. But you're not going to draw that for some reason or another.
I don't know what it is. Because it's a phenomenal facility, it's
a great sports town, it's good people who live here. I mean,
if you just give it a chance, you would understand all that. But
maybe it's because you know you're playing in front of you know, empty arenas,
because you're losing and so on and so forth. Who knows, But
I digress. Let's face it, you're going to have to draft and develop
players, and you're going to have to take over an organization that has a
lot of young players, second youngest team in the NBA, and you're going
to have to make sure they get to a stage where you're getting the most
out of their potential. So that has to be part of the interview process,
right. I mean that's what Trajan Langdon is going to interview these men
on. He's going to ask them, how are you going to make Jalen
durn better? What do you see in Jaden Ivy's game that makes you think
he could possibly be an All Star? I don't know. How do you
take Caid Cunningham and get him to the next level? What do you think
about all these different players? You can talk about offense, you can talk
about defense all you want. That's great. I think most of that is
you know. I mean if you look at a lot of the videos of
the great basketball mind Steve Kerr, for example, and why they run a
certain type of action and how it really creates mismatches and how it gets his
best players set up, it's fascinating stuff. All these guys have these types
of great plays in mind and these philosophies. I want to know how you're
going to make a young team better? I think that has to be one
of the number one, one of your top five questions to these these candidates.
How are you going to make how are you going to get the most
out of our young core? And then you can talk about, obviously,
who do you see, as a member of this young core, what could
we get. Where's your vision of this guy playing where, and so on
and so forth. But overall, you've got to find a way to make
some of the young guys better on this team, because unless you pull off
some type of massive trade, who knows what you would get in return.
But you're going to have to settle and understand that you're going to develop a
team. If you want to build this for the long haul, like the
Lions have done, like Steve Eisman is trying to do, and like the
Tigers are attempting to do as well, even though it's not going real well,
You're going to have to develop young players. You got to understand that
you're coming into a situation where these guys do not have a lot of experience
and they have a lot of losing experience. Changing the culture might be a
little drastic, but when you've won seventeen games one year, fourteen games the
next, you've been on that type of in that type of situation, you
are saddled with constant losing. You're saddled with you've won thirty one games in
the last two years. That is not something that any coach any front office
expects his team to deal with and handle. Think about that for a second.
Boston Celtics this year, have they won more home games this season then
the Pistons won total in the last two years combined. Sometimes those types of
stark realities need to be emphasized and need to understand. This is why the
young guys, they've gone through a lot of growing pains. How are you
going to help them use that to their advantage and turn it around? Meyer
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twenty percent off right now through July six. You get nineteen ninety nine or
less with beach towels and toads. You can't beat it. You want to
go to the beach, you plan in a vacation, you want to go
up north, maybe you're going out east. My family and I used to
go to Cape Cod on a summer to summer basis. Love that place.
You need beach towels, you need toats, you need lawn chairs, all
the things to make it enjoyable. Meyer has it for you at great deals,
and it doesn't stop with the Fourth of July. No matter what you
need, Meyer is there for you. That's why they're the best in the
business. What's up, Michigan. I want to give some love to Ben
glaz producing another great SHEP broadcast, Superflies, producing my show later today at
three, the Huge Show on the Michigan Sports Network,