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phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rohan. Hello, it's Alejandro Rojas.
And thank you to Bob Dean doing our intro there. If you were at
the UFO Congress, he made us all cry when he went up and he
accepted the lifetime achievement for Wendell Stevens. It was a very, very touching
moment because they were good friends, and Bob certainly misses him, and he's
always a great speaker who really it's very emotional and draws you in and man,
I was getting choked up. I'm not gonna lie people. So thank
you Bob for doing our intro. So today we have a magnificent show.
It's going to be a lot of fun. Our guest tonight will be Suzanne
Taylor. She's a filmmaker whose latest project was about crop circles. It was
called What on Earth Inside the Crop Circle Mystery. It was shot in England
and it engages the lively community of artists, scientists, philosophers, geometers and
I'm not quite sure what a geometer is, so I'll have to ask her
educators and farmers who have been profoundly touched by the crop circle phenomenon. Many
people have in the public been profoundly touched because they are profound pieces of arts
that are found in the mysterious fields out there in England, all over the
place, but especially in England. The film goes on to speculate about what
would happen if it were ascertained that the crop circles do indeed come from other
intelligence, which many of us believe that has happened already, that has been
ascertained, but of course not the general public in completely in the mainstream arena,
you know, they still think it was two old guys get drunk and
go out and make crop circles, Doug and Dave, one of whom has
already passed away. The other one is something like eighty years old. So
I'm sorry to the conventional media out there, it's not those two, although
there are a lot of crop circle groups out there making them. You know,
there's still a lot of mysteries to be had, as our listeners know,
because we have covered crop circles in the past with the one and the
only, the magnificent Nancy Talbot. So this is going to be a lot
of fun talking to Suzanne. She's got a great movie and we're going to
be able to talk to her about her perspectives, how she got into this,
and she's got a very interesting history in filmmaking that we will talk about
as well. So this is going to be a lot of fun. And
of course, if you're a subscriber to the magazine, you are all up
to date on the crop circle phenomena because our last issue, the sixth our
anniversary issue, was all about crop circles and it was a good one,
if I do say so myself. So if you haven't gotten that issue,
you got to rush to the website and get it because it's really cool.
Also, I guess just a couple of notes, Linka Tai should say thank
you to her because this weekend she allowed our cohort in crime. Actually we
don't do anything criminal here, but depends. Yeah, true, true,
some people there were some rumors going around that were black ops of some sort,
but not that we're aware of. It's so secret that we don't even
know it if that is true. But we don't need to know. Yeah,
we're not in the know about knowing, but I do know that the
Phoenix Lights Anniversary, the fourteenth anniversary was this weekend and Lincoln Tai showed her
movie had Travis Walton and also had the illustrious genius of Ufology, that being
Antonio Juneus. This man's incredible and if you get our magazine again, you
know that because he writes a lot of our great articles. But he was
able to be there and say hello to the crew as well. So if
you haven't seen her documentary, you got to check it out. It's The
Phoenix Lights dot Net. It's a great one. Also, then Antonio busy
weekend for him was on The Bob Hieronymous and I think, I hopefully I
don't have that wrong radio show, and it's a great show, and I'm
sure he had a lot of fun on there, and I hope you had
a lot of fun if you listened. But now you're listening to our radio
show, which is a lot of fun. And one of the best parts
of our show is the UFO News because we keep up to date on the
news that's gone on a daily basis, and there's some great news going on.
We have just this incredible news reporter guy named Jason who comes on the
show to tell us all about it. And actually, ladies and gentlemen,
I'm happy to say he is here with us again this evening. Hello Jason
all shook. Hi Alejandro, how are you good? How are you doing?
I have fantastic sir, wonderful. This is your Open Mindes news Brief
for Monday, March fourteenth, twenty eleven. As you already mentioned, Allejudro,
yesterday was the fourteenth anniversary of the Phoenix Lights, the mass Ufo siding
that took place back in nineteen ninety seven, and it seems to have become
a tradition where Phoenix Light investigator doctor Linka Tai hosts a screening of her documentary
The Phoenix Lights, and she did that yesterday. And I love to report
on the Phoenix Lights, anything that happens with the Phoenix Lights, because of
course us being in Phoenix, it's near and dear to us, and as
a witness to the spectacular event, I just find anything new that comes out
about it fascinating worth looking at. Yes, definitely, I'm sorry you didn't
see it. Nina, Nina and Nina the Phoenix sights. Yes, not
the movie. You saw the movie. Yeah, I was talking about the
actual actual events. I know. Yeah, me too. I'm very bummed
about that. That would have been great, and we're I'm anticipating them coming
back. In fact, I lived near the area where they were supposedly originated,
and they certainly flew out over that area according to I witness account,
just south of the Phoenix area here, and I don't recall the date,
but they have made other appearances. Well, I want to see him.
You're in the prime spot, my friend, keep your camera set up,
give me a call. I'll come out. I got my chihuahua on the
roof bot right. Well, I will definitely come out and see it,
because you are in the prime spot, and this time I will have Well,
last time I had a camera in hand, but who knows where that
footage disappeared to. Yeah, you recorded probably something like fast times at Ridgemont
High over her more than likely the video. Yeah, job, buddy,
push record, and that tape is long gone. Here's a story just for
you, Alejandro. Model and actress Christy Brinkley says she saw a UFO when
she lived in Crete. She was out shopping one day and she saw four
lights in the sky. She recounted her story saying, this is broad daylight,
and the lights are very, very bright. All of a sudden,
all four of the lights shot over the mountain to the other side of crete.
When she returned home from shopping, she learned from others in her village
that the lights had disappeared into the sea, which is not an uncommon thing
to hear in sightings. A lot of sightings happen around water, and a
lot of things disappear into the water. People talk about and no doubt,
Christie Brinkley is a very beautiful woman. They talked about how she doesn't show
her age, and she hadn't because she looks so great and all of the
commercials she still does and everything. But actually the picture in that story she
actually shows her age. That is true. I think that's a very first
picture I've seen where it's like, Wow, she actually is a normal human
being and is aging, and she's not a playdian. She's aged beautifully though,
and I certainly had an early crush on her. Oh yeah. I
always enjoyed watching National Lampoon's Family Vacation. Oh yeah, some great work that
she did in there. Absolutely, but stories like this are cool. We
hear more about these, you know, celebrity people coming out with their own
stories, and because of that, because they're celebrities, they're in the spotlight,
their stories, their witness accounts tend to get more attention. Yeah,
And I personally think that things are opening up. I think more and more
people are feeling comfortable sharing their UFO stories because, as you know, the
amount of people over the years who have shared their stories, accumulating some very
credible people president you know, media people and so forth, that they feel
more more comfortable doing that, which is great. And I think that is
what's really the slow but continual movement that's going to happen to really make the
general public in general feel more comfortable about this subject. Yeah. I agree.
It's an interesting development from NASA. Images from cameras have apparently provided the
most detailed views to date of the far side of Earth's Moon. Three cameras
aboard NASA's unmanned Lunar Reconnaissance orbiter provided the more than fifteen thousand photographs synthesized to
create the detailed image of the far side of the Moon. Scientists say the
surface of the far side of the Moon is much rougher than it's near side.
The fifteen thousand photographs were taken between November two thousand and nine and February
twenty eleven. And this also has an Arizona connection because the cameras are part
of I guess they're basically operated by Arizona State University, who does a lot
of these Moon missions with NASA. Yeah. ASU is very exciting. In
fact, I was looking up some pictures today, like from the Cassini spacecraft,
and ASU does a lot of that sort of astronomical work, which is
pretty cool. And don't you have some sort of conspiracy around the moon pictures?
Not really conspiracy, but you know with any well I know a lot
of other people do absolutely and with any sort of space imaging where we don't
really get great views, you know, you get partial views. That's why
they had to assemble this image of the dark side of the Moon, the
far side of the Moon, from fifteen thousand different photos over a several year
span, because they can't go there and take one picture. Yeah, so
you know it's an assembly of many pictures. You're not going to get one
percent accurate representation. But it's probably pretty close, and it would be good
because a picture the only picture provided is a very small one, very low
resolute, and I'm talking extremely tiny compared to lots of the NASA pictures out
there. So hopefully they'll release some better resolution ones because just like Cliff Clifford,
who is a director for move on the Mutual UFO network, he was
in Phoenix recently showing some of the moon pictures where you can see clear manipulation,
where there are fuzzy areas in these pictures where it appears that something was
being hidden outrageous, but I will show you. I think there are some
higher resolution photos of small parts, but you can definitely see what they're talking
about with the dark side being much rougher. And there are tons of these
caves on the Moon, these craters and what looked like to be the lava
tubes or caves that they recently got better pictures of on the front side of
the Moon, so very cool. I think there's a lot of things under
the Moon inside under the surface, like creatures of some sort. That's my
hope. That'd be cool. It's possible these underground caves are incredible. Yeah,
hopefully we'll get some inside views of those soon. Yeah. I mean
the more we discover, of course, like we talked about, the more
amazing everything is out there. Thank you Asu. Yes, my alma mater.
Yes, I had to talk about another fireball UFO. I love the
fireball UFOs and Oswego, Illinois resident Brandon Tudor photographed a fireball UFO and the
sky on the evening of Sunday, March sixth, which was two Sundays ago.
Tudor described the object as a ball of fire falling towards earth. According
to The Beacon News, the witness stated that the object changed direction as it
fell. Tudor also claims that he saw two jets fly into view and circle
the area. After the UFO disappeared, he took four pictures of the UFO
on his iPhone Before the object vanished. Tudor took to the Internet to see
if anyone else had seen the UFO. He also made several phone calls.
He even looked for answers on above Top Secret, but he's still on the
quest to discover the true identity of the UFO, while other witnesses have yet
to come forward. The object was also witnessed by Tutor's daughter who pointed to
the sky and said, I told you aliens existed. I love that response.
That is really funny. But do you have a fireball UFO falling from
the sky which could be anything you've got space junk. You've got all sorts
of things that fall from the sky all the time. But this one was
interesting being that it changed shape or changed a flight path. Yeah, if
that was an illusion of you know, created by him watching this thing and
it really did move, of course, that's pretty strange. And I just
got done with his story the Kesburg crash, which was a famous story for
sixty five of people seeing fire a fireball that changed directions, landed in the
forest and then police and army went in there to pick it up. Of
course, nothing, no meteorite or space debris coming in from this guy is
supposed to do that unless it's some kind of secret damaged space plane, right,
which who knows. We know they're out there. Since it's funny enough
that you know, they keep talking in the news about the secret space plane
that the Air Force has flying, Oh yes, with its secret payload,
and they call it top secret even though we all know about it, and
it's in the media and everything. Although we know about it, we don't
know what it's carrying or what its mission is. Yeah. But the other
interesting thing about this fireball is the report that there were two jets that came
and circled the area. Didn't see any photos of that, but that's what
the report says. So who knows. You would think that if they are,
you know, testing these secret projects, that some would where some would
have failures or problems, and then yeah, sure they'd want to recover those
things without people knowing. So who knows. Eldis clandestine secrecy all on the
public's time. We don't know what the heck's going on or why, or
if it's having any effect on our lives or national security. And it's casting
billions and billions of our tax dollars. Yay, thanks, hooray. I
know you haven't seen Battle Los Angeles yet. Are you going to see it
soon? I want to go with you tomorrow. Yeah. Critics have been
pretty rough on it, but people who've actually seen it love it. Oh
yeah. But at the Los Angeles press day for the film Battle Los Angeles,
UFO experts Bill Burns and Mark Easter, Mark Easter from MUFON and retired
military officers Colonel Charles Halt and Captain Robert Salas were the panel of experts who
answered questions related to UFOs. Did you see the video at all of this
press conference? No? And in fact, actually I didn't even know there
was a video. I don't know did we post that. I don't know
if we posted the video. We definitely have an article about it, and
I think it has some of the transcript from Okay from But that was fascinating
and I think the questions asked were quite serious questions and everyone on the panel
handled themselves extremely well, and it was a very serious event. Yeah,
battle Ali was treating this all very serious, which probably to their benefit because
if people are thinking, wow, what if this is real, then they're
going to be more apt to go see it. But even like the movie
phone story we did post today about this, they did it. They treated
it very well and pretty interesting, you know, talking to military experts they
said about the possibility of this being reality. Although the people they talked to,
I know, don't feel that we're in a situation where we're being grimmed
to be attacked, right. They feel the opposite. But of course the
military officers, some of our at least one of them was at our conference.
A couple I think people were there from our conference. They do believe,
of course, that extraterrestrial visitation right. And one of the good questions
it was asked to Mark Easter from Moufon at this press day, was about
movies like Battle Los Angeles when they come out these huge blockbuster movies if Mofon
sees an increase in citing the reports after movies like this, and he said
absolutely. And they thought, well, perhaps it's because people, you know,
you can't take them as seriously as others. But what Mark said was
a great thing. He said, I think it's a good thing because people
are coming after seeing a movie like this, it's on their mind. They
start thinking about it and they actually look up, which is what people don't
normally do You go about your daily lives, you don't think about it.
But after people see a movie like this, they thought about the topic before,
when they leave the theater, they look up. They start paying attention
because they want to see. Yeah, that's a good point. I don't
know personally, and I haven't seen numbers that show movies drive sightings, but
certainly new stories and media and news stories do and you could see that.
And I did a talk where I showed that. But I agree with him.
It's not necessarily that people are just reporting them and that they're less credible.
It's that, like you said, more people are looking up and more
people start to think, you know, about their sighting because they think,
you know what, I saw a UFO ten years ago, and I never
told anybody I should go report it to these guys, you know, not
that they're making something up. Some people may see an airplane and say,
oh my gosh, we're being attacked. But I think for a lot of
you know, the people, it's just they feel inspired to report. I
think that's right. And while I don't agree with the idea behind movies like
Battle Los Angeles where they portray the alien invasion aliens are terrible. Lookout,
We're all going to die. They're evil en out to get us. I
think it's positive do we have movies like this, because for that very reason,
people start thinking about it, they start looking, they start understanding the
reality. Yeah, it's good to start. It's good to inspire thought and
conversation about the subject, that's for sure. And I think this movie is
doing a lot of it, and Battle Los Angeles attacked the box office this
weekend, claiming the number one spot, bringing in thirty six million dollars.
However, the other well, there are several actually extraterrestrial movies out right now,
but the animated one, mars Needs Moms, bombed it to box office.
Oh really, it's brought in allows these six point eight million dollars.
And that movie costs a fortune to make. I don't know what they spent
their money on. I know it's animation. But to compare these, Battle
Los Angeles cost seventy million dollars to make, Marsney's Mom animated cartoon one hundred
and fifty million dollars, twice as much, and which makes it even more
pitiful that they made fox point eight million. How weird? Why would it
cost so dang much? John Qusac, She's a She's a Superstar. Yeah,
and it looks like a cute, maybe funny movie. I mean it
looked like I add some good lines and step in the trailers. But sometimes
the trailers show you all the best parts and the rest of it's awful,
so maybe it wasn't that good. Interesting, I'm surprised to hear that.
I guess moms aren't ready to take their kids to a movie about abduction.
Yeah, I guess not or people abducting moms. Yeah, you don't want
to offend mom, she's the one who pays for the kid to see the
movie, or don't give the kids ideas. Yeah, oh yeah, come
on, aliens, take my mom. But yeah, I'm surprised, first
of all how much they costs to make ridiculous and then of course, I
mean I would think I would think Battle Los Angeles would lost a lot of
money because all the explosions and everything. But yeah, people are running around,
all the extras, all the people, all the blowing stuff upright,
although these days you probably don't have to blow up as much stuff as you
just you fake it, g g it. Yeah. True, Well more
and more ali Aanthe movies are portraying extraterrestrials that are a fusion of biological and
mechanical, but some scientists are saying, however, that artificial life is most
likely what would come off a spaceship if one landed on Earth. A professor
of computer science that UCLA recently said if an extraterrestrial spaceship ever lands on Earth.
I bet you that it is ninety nine point likely. Then what exists
that what excess the ship will be synthetic in nature. Senior study astronomer Seth
Shostak also stated, I fully agree that anyone likely to visit will not be
biological beings attacking us like in Battle Los Angeles. So it's interesting they're saying
robots are going to be what comes to Earth. And some of the points
made, or a good point made to back that up, is the fact
that our own limitations of space travel and how how long it would take to
get somewhere. Who's like that it's easier to put a robot in the ship,
turn it off, and then when it gets there, have it activate.
Yeah. I think those those statements are highly highly speculative. I think
they have as there are a lot of statements that come from people like this,
especially the scientists. You know, Oh yeah, most likely, how
would they know? I mean, I agree with them, we most likely
like we are, we send rovers, we send robots into space. But
if your technology is so advanced that it's just as easy for you to jump
in your spaceship and cruise a million light years then why wouldn't you just jump
in your own chip. I mean, if we it was just as easy
for us to send people to Mars as a robot, we would send people
right because they can do more, collect more everything. If they have a
sort of stargate technology where they can move these vast distances in an instant,
they would probably send beings. So it's all it depends. I mean,
you don't know for sure. Well, and if you're like Star Trek and
you've got an android like Data, yeah you send him to the planet because
you don't have to worry if you'll be able to breede down there or not.
But he never went alone. He always had people with him. Sometimes
they send him when they didn't know if they would to be okay, I
send Data. I don't think that they're Usually he is with people, usually
not always trust me on this one. I will and Alejandra, this is
a story that we talked about this morning, you and I. A legendary
creature is said to be living in Lake van or Lake Vaughan, probably in
Turkey. Descriptions provided by witnesses are similar to the loch Ness and other lake
Man, and one woman believes the Lake Von monster could be of extraterrestrial origin.
Let's see. Semra Salvan Ceslon is a Turkish civil engineer as well as
a UFO researcher. She plans to camp out by the lake with the goal
of spotting the creature or object, whatever it may be. She's apparently been
researching UFOs for quite a while and she discovered the serious UFO space science research
center in Istanbul, just run by Hoktan Octagon, And apparently she's made a
lot of friends over there with several eufologists. And it's funny because she mentioned
that she was one of two females involved in the study over there. It
is largely a male field, I think. Yeah, that's for sure.
And one of the girls who used to research over there, man, I
cannot remember her name right now. For some she came to move on a
few years ago. A really cool lady. She I guess played a small
part on Star Trek interesting, one of the Dabo girls in the Deep Space
nine in the bar. Yeah, she was a very pretty woman and she
played one of those bartender girls that he had scantily clad there. Oh oh,
but what is it? This girl also is actually very pretty, so
they have two women in eulogy, and they're both very pretty. Well,
don't bring that up. Why not, that's too late. That's why you
have so few women in the field, because they have people like you pointing
out how pretty they are. They don't want to be known for their beauty.
It's for their brains, Allehandro, their brains. No, they like
both. She is very pretty and the girls. They always talk about who
they think are the cute guys in apology, you know, when they want
who they want to see up on the stage. Statements directed at me aside,
I've never heard that, Alhandro. Oh, okay, I have.
Once you've been in this field a little longer, once you start doing talk
to you here about all the girls. Oh, I can't wait to see
you. I'm jealous, Allehandro, I am, but not that. This
creature is pretty fascinating and a lot of people, more than a thousand people,
I guess, have reported seeing this creature. Yeah, that's pretty cool,
and I don't know, descriptions vary, but it's kind of cool that
she thinks that she described it as an unidentified swimming object or something, so
I don't know if she thinks it's a ship or a creature. But she's
camping out to find out what it is. I hope she figures it out
and lets us know. I do too. But Turkey's awesome for their their
UFO research. Hawktown's a busy guy over there. He's got his UFO museum
and his serious research center. And yep, we wrote about him in their
incredible Turkish video that he took not too long ago, right over a several
year period. And the excellent work that octon data and getting serious scientific research
done on that video. Excellent witty comment, my friend. Thank you all
one hundred. That is it for the news for today. We will have
to continue next week, No problem, buddy, I look forward to it.
Also, be sure to check out these stories and more at openminds dot
tv, your source for UFO related news. I'm your Open Minds correspondent Jason
McClellan, and you've been briefed. I relinquished command to you. Alejandro,
you were in command. I'm always in command. That's what you saw.
I'm turning off your camera. Thank you, my friend. All right,
thank you, Jason. Excellent job. As usual, all of the interesting
news going on around the world on UFOs. It's incredible stuff. Some of
the other stuff that we've written about that you will see at the website should
you go there. Some more very exciting stuff such as more follow up on
the UFO Congress. A lot happened and some of you were wondering, you
know that, hey, those films at the film festival you were talking about
that which films? One? How can I get them? If you were
there? There's lots of people who were there who are asking how do I
purchase these magnificent movies? And you can go to our website and we have
a story on that. In fact, we showed some videos which highlighted,
you know, the nominees for each category and includes which is pretty exciting,
the acceptance speeches of the people. So, you know, just to go
over some of the winners real quick. Best short UFO Film was one by
Boom bum Enigma of the Flying Spears, and this is exciting because this was
done by an Italian company and they did a great job. They actually submitted
to and Trees and out of the many short films, both of those entries
made it to the finals to the last three nominees, the other one being
about the Friendship Case and the other nominee was Westall sixty six, an Australian
movie that was about a UFO siting at high school out in Melbourne, so
very exciting. You can get information on all of these on the website,
so we had a very international flare. And then as for the winner for
the Best UFO Feature Film, that was a movie by James Carman of Time
Travel Productions called The Hidden Hand. So that was a great movie. People
really loved it. The other nominees was one called UFOs The Secret History,
which can be found at ufotv dot com, and the other was The Day
Before Disclosure by Voices of the New Paradigm and The Day Before Disclosure won our
People's Choice award, so that was exciting because again some international flair. These
guys came from Norway to hopefully win an ebe statuette for winning at the Film
Festival, and luckily they did not go home empty handed, although one of
them was wondering how they were going to explain their little alien statuette to the
customs people. The award was accepted by Terry J and Trull's Top tens of
the New Paradigm Films, so very exciting and we have some really cool pictures
of the film festival up. We had a guy who took some pictures during
the conference who actually does some kind of coffee takable books of kind of alternate
people with alternative hobbies and stuff like that. Anyways, this wonderful photographer named
Peter Best, and we have some really cool pictures of his up there,
and you'll see more of his great pictures in our magazine. Also, we
talked about the Saudi Arabia Business Forum where there were some eufologists there that were
discussing UFOs in front of all of these major world leaders, including Tony Blair
and Bill Clinton. Well, Tony Blair and Bill Clinton were at this conference,
they spoke at the conference. I don't think they were at the UFO
Forum, but it was a packed house. And some of the people speaking
at the forum were Jacques Valet, who we've had on the show recently,
mitchi Okaku theoretical Physicists, who we put a video up with him talking about
Leslie Kyne's book, Nick Pope, who we had at the conference and we've
had on the show not too long ago, and Stanton Friedman, who we
also had on the show recently. And was also a speaker at the UFO
Congress and then a professor of earths scientists scientists from Saudi Arabia zaglu El Nagar.
I don't know if I'm saying that right. I probably am actually,
But the cool thing is is that this conference posted videos of all of the
talks, and there were tons and tons of talks. So this is really
great because you can go and see what all of these people had to say
and what they told the forum, and this business forum, you know,
took this subject very seriously. In fact, the section of the UFO portion
of the talk was just kind of about innovation regarding business and how UFOs and
opening your mind to the subject. It was called contact learning from outer space.
How we can learn from to be innovative from opening our minds. So
very cool that this conference did that. I think it's very important to see
that these major business players. I mean, when you watch these videos,
you will see that this was not just some mom and pop deal. This
was something that a lot of money was sunk into to put together and these
are some major players. So it's really cool to be able to see these
videos other stories from the web. We also, of course, I think
we talked about this yet last week how NASA scientists possibly found some bacteria on
another meteorite that he feels he was able to prove from space. So the
debate continues. Some NASA scientists have said no, that they don't agree with
him, but actually you may remember that in the nineties has happened as well.
President Bill Clinton had a famous quote where he talked about the importance if
we have discovered extraterrestrial life, but that was highly debated and kind of debunked
by mainstream science. Although that meteorite is still under debate. So this whole
subject of whether or not some of these meteorites are from space and do show
microbial life is under debate. It's not a concluded at all. So now
these scientists behind the scenes continue to debate whether or not life has been found.
Of course, if they can confirm that, I think it would be
very interesting. I think people would be extremely surprised, but I think they
would be very excited. I think it would mean a lot for this build
because now people would start to realize that, hey, maybe life is more
abundant out there than people have assumed. So those are some of the stories
you could check out on the website. However, I want to move to
our special guests for the evening. I'm very excited to welcome Susanne Taylor.
Susanne, are you there. I'm raring to go. Oh right, god
great, I have my favorite subject. Yes, thank you so much for
being on the show tonight. And I was looking at your profile on IMDV,
the Internet movie database, and it appears that you were on a lot
of you know, everybody's favorite television shows back and that was my first life.
That was before I decided that I had to go save the world.
Right, I mean I made I made a lot of commercials and I how
the sitcoms, and right, that's pretty neat. It's exciting because these,
I mean are these are the best of the best. These are all the
shows that I think every kid, most American kids have grown up with with.
I dream of Genie, Andy Griffith, Dick Van Dyke and that's of
your FID year old enough. Alaha, well there's reruns luckily, oh oh
good, good good. And my favorite Martian. Yeah, I was his
mother, that is the Martian's mother was well, no, not the Martian.
Let's see, guys, A long time ago with Bill? Was that
the show with Bill Bixby? I was, Yeah, Bill, that's right,
I was. I was Bill Bixby's mother, And I think it was
a flashback because I was young at the time. Uh huh. So it
was when he was a little kid and I was his mother. How cool?
That is really neat? Yes, really, So you have been in
the entertainment industry industry for a long time. Yes, I was very familiar
with the showbiz when I decided that I could do better for the world then
make so commercials and situation coming. And actually I was a painter also at
the time. I was painting pictures of flowers and I looked at the world
and I said, wait a minute, I can do better for my world
than this world in trouble, needs to be more aware, needs to open
its eyes, and how can I keep doing these kind of you know,
side ventures here. So I got really organized myself and I started pointing out,
okay, how am I going to wake this world up? And so
you know, you have to skip a couple of decades now and here we
are playing with crop circles. Yeah, very cool. So your first venture
into helping to save the planet was Crop Circles. That is that what Crop
Circles was for you. No, it wasn't my first venture. I started
out by producing a lot of different kinds of programs and events that had to
do it was personal growth at the time. That was kind of at the
top of the list was the Human Potential movement Ethelyn the sixties. Actually I
came after the sixties, but that all got started in the sixties of when
we started to think that the world wasn't all Ozzie and Harriet and we could
do something about it. And so I was producing a lot of different kinds
of programs. You know, LA is a crossroads and all kinds of interesting
people passed through, and I was on a list for agents, and people
would come through on their book tours and whenever somebody interesting was in town or
frequently I would get a call, do you want to produce these people?
So I would do evenings for people like that, and then sometimes I would
find a teacher who's really sort of at the beginning of their teaching career,
and I would say, oh, I think this is waronderful stuff. And
I would promote them and make them, help make them successful. And then
in the course of doing all that, the clop circles just came along as
another subject matter I was interested in, you know, how we could open
our minds, and the clop circles kind of accidentally landed in my lap and
they said, oh, we're not making those, and I thought, oh,
that would really open our up, and so I started paying attention.
That was in the late eighties that I discovered these things, and they hadn't
yet possessed me. They were just another interesting thing, and I started producing
programs about them. They were very popular programs at the time. I had
to rent large spaces because everybody was buzzing in the late eighties and nineteen ninety
about what was this going on? What was this seemed to be visitation going
on, and they were so beautiful and so weird, and you know,
my god, museum quality art in wheat fields, you know. So.
But then as I more and more, you know, became involved and went
over to England and learned more and more about what was going on, I
thought, oh, this is the thing that could really change the world big
time. This isn't one person at a time, this is everyone all at
once. And so I more and more dropped the other subject matters and started
focusing on this and then produced my first movie in two thousand and two.
It was the first feature film ever about the circles. It was in theaters,
it was on the Sci Fi channel for three years. It was called
Crop Circles, Quest for Truth. I was not the filmmaker. I was
the executive producer. I put it together and I actually knew more about the
subject than the filmmaker than knew, so I would, you know, kind
of organize what we were shooting, and I organized ten weeks in England where
we were shooting. But at the end of that that is the kind of
history of the crop circles. And when that film came out in two thousand
and two, I thought, you know, there's another film here, which
is what are all these fascinating people who have given up their lives for this
phenomenon. They've you know, left of successful careers and many different enterprises,
people from all over the world who have become the crop circle researchers, and
they're they're such colorful characters and the stories they have to tell. I know
the stories because I'm now part of this world and I'm not you know,
the news media that comes along in snoops from the outside and doesn't really know
what it's looking at and doesn't know where to go for the most interesting stories.
I thought I could make a really fascinating movie, and that's when I
embarked on the one I have now where I am the filmmaker, which is
called What on Earth Inside the Crop Circle Mystery. I notice on your website
you don't tell anybody where they can go to get it, So I'm just
gonna tell them now. You go to Crop circlemovie dot com and that's where
you can see the trailer and uh and actually buy the DVD. But this,
you know, was eight fool rush in where Angels three are to tread,
I can make a movie? Uh huh six years later? Wow,
So it took a while. Well, I wasn't doing it, you know
the way when a studio makes a movie, they have a concentrated effort and
they do it all at once and they make the movie. But I was
continually returning to England and trying to you know, as a little indie filmmaker,
you know, you really have to struggle more to get your movie together.
And it did take me six years to put it all together. And
it came out last year. Yeah, so I've got my movie, and
I love my movie, and people love my movie, which is quite wonderful.
Yeah, a lot of people love the movie. It's a lot of
fun. And like you said, it's it's updating and it's moving on from
your first film, which is one that I really liked, Quest for Truth.
I like them both, and then this is kind of like part two,
you know, moving on and getting into the more personal part of people
and their experiences. You know, a lot of those people and their experiences
came into the field of the field and crop fields because of that first movie.
They saw that first movie and they thought, you know, intrigue,
and a lot of the people in my movie were the front or the product
of seeing that first movie. So that was kind of squeezed. Also,
Oh that's very cool. That is very screen. Yeah, that's great.
Now, when was it that you first went to when you first experienced visiting
a crop circle? Well, I was producing since nineteen eighty nine and then
I first went over there in nineteen ninety eighty nine. Yeah, ninety three.
I get my decades mixed up, so I've been twenty years, you
know, horsing around in those crop fields. And I am probably of all
the people involved. And there is a rabid community of passionate people who gather
in England every summer. Who are the ones who take the pictures, write
the books, do the lectures. But of all those people, I'm probably
the one with the most energy on getting it out to the world. I
don't have a specialty like the others do of being a photographer or a lecturer
or whatever, even though I'm now starting to speak, but I have the
you know, just this mission to tell the world what's going on. And
you know, how do you tell the world anything? You make a movie,
you know, so you know, that's kind of somewhat my unique role.
Everybody, of course is delivering information, but you know, trying to
get it out very broadly so the world really pays attention. I think I've
probably got the most energy on that. Yeah, and yeah, you're doing
a great job. One thing that I love about the website too, is
the videos that you have on the front page. You know that the glimpses
into the movie with just some of the beautiful imagery of some of the incredible
crop circles. Well, we have our trailer on crop circlemovie dot com.
And what we did was we didn't take scenes from the movie with dialogue.
We took pretty much all visuals and then took the dialogue and put a voice
over on those visuals, just so that people could really be impressed by how
incredibly beautiful this phenomenon is that the crop circles are. People are surprised.
You know, by and large, people are not paying attention. They think
it's all over. They still remember Doug and Dave from twenty years ago that
said they made them all. Oh yeah, that's over. Those two guys
made them all. Twenty years later, we still have a really you know,
flourishing phenomenon and the people are you know, not everyone, but a
lot of people are quite surprised. So we're bringing them news. Yeah.
One of the reasons I asked you about the first time you visited a crop
circle is because a lot of people the first time walking into a circle and
experiencing it physically is very profound. And even people say, you know,
they're not able to prepare themselves just for the experienced. Was that true for
you? Oh, that is the truth. You know, how much as
much as you see the pictures and you see beautiful photography being inside one and
something else again, you can't believe it. How could this be? You
know, it's just so off the wall and beyond the beyond, and it
just takes you into an altered state kind of. The big photographer's site is
called temporary Temples. Yeah, that's what it feels like. It feels like
you're in something very profound. And because also they land near sacred sites all
the time, like Stone Hinge, there's lots of that in England. That
whole landscape in southern England is full of ancient sacred I say sacred, I
don't know, maybe that's not the right word, but they have this sense
of antiquity and that they used to do actually spiritual rituals in this particular area.
It was highly ritualized what they were doing here. And so when you're
in these formations, you're near some of some artifacts whatever, you're in this
thing that cannot be. It's gorgeous countryside. It's just a beautiful experience.
I think probably everybody who goes to visit those circles finds that one of the
best things that they've ever done. It's a wonderful experience. Now when you
get there and you see, did you do some of the like sitting up
overnight to watch the fields to see if you can spot something. Well,
I'm not rabbit about that. There are those who are it gets cold at
night and it gets damp at night. And I did it once and then
sort of at two o'clock in the morning, me and the few people the
little group, I said, you know, we're cold and we're damp,
and we left. But interestingly enough, there's lots of that because hilly ground,
and what people do is they get on top of the hills so that
they can see what's going on below. Of course it's nighttime, but nonetheless,
if there were activity down there, you'd see lights, or you'd see
well, you know whatever. I mean, you'd probably get a sense that
something was going on. But strangely enough, nobody has ever caught anybody in
these things making them. I find that actually rather peculiar, because there is
there are a lot of them that are hoaxed. Now maybe the hoaxed ones
don't aren't the ones that are under those observation points, but I don't know.
There's a lot of mystery about this phenomenon in all different kinds of ways,
and that's kind of nice. Actually, we're so objective in this world
and materialistic and now minded. It's good to have mystery in our lives.
But one of the mystery is what's going on there? How come nobody's ever
gotten caught? And maybe there's less hoaxing than we think there is, because
we do think there's a fair amount of it going on now are like the
terrorists of the crops of the world to try to fool everybody. They take
you, you know, off your you're investigating, you're measuring your you know,
analyzing, and always like, oh god, it's made by people.
Am I wasting my time for you? M anyway? It is part of
the whole mystery what's going on there? I don't know. If I do
another movie, I'm gonna I'm gonna find out what these hoaxers are up to.
Why in the world do they would they do this year after year,
uh, night after night, so to speak? Why why are they doing
this? They can't get recognition, They get arrested if they knew they were
making them. They you know what what artists does their artwork and doesn't want
to be known for it? You know, it's it's counterintuitive, so I
would be very curious to know. And there is of course some suspicion I'm
not you know, I don't want to go doing some kind of conspiracy theory
kind of you know, uh, you know, lays up that kind of
innergetic But it is very strange, and you do wonder if, indeed,
and there is a little evidence that we've been put off the track by governments
who don't really want us to be disc or to be aware to know that
we are being visited. They are protecting us from knowing we are being visited.
And I don't know, maybe those hoaxes are being paid by them.
Doug and Dave were there was a contract there. Yes, this seems to
be common knowledge now that Doug and Dave were paid a large sum of money
when you look at it, Okay, these are the two farmers who in
nineteen ninety one were it became known quote unquote that they made them all.
How did it become known that they quote made them all? In a press
release that went all over the world. A press release by two little farmers
from the middle of nowhere got a press release all the world. And of
course we actually do a number on that in the movie where we show you
that where the press release seems to have come from, which seems to have
in the Ministry of Defense, because you know, it was really virtually impossible
for that to have happened by their hand, you know. So there's you
know, societies have a way, always whatever, of protecting the status quo.
There's too much vested interest in things not changing all that much. And
this if it were really ascertained that these are being made by another species that
isn't us, it would change. It would be a radical change for the
world. We would have to rethink everything. If we really knew, not
just science fiction, but if we really knew we were not alone here what
there is other There is other intelligence, and it's engaging with us, it's
sending us signals. Oh my, oh whoa, what's going on? The
whole world would be asking that question. And then you know, you just
extrapolate, you kind of think, well, if we you know, if
we're established, yes, yes, yes, that's what's happening. We are
so arrogant, we're the top of the chain. We can kill each other,
we can rape the earth. Well, what about if we're not the
top of the chain. What about if there's greater intelligence than us, it
would humble us. That would be very good for us, and it would
unite us in one conversation on earth about what this otherness is. We have
nothing to compare ourselves to, We have nothing to be in one conversation about,
and that would be tremendously good for us. And you know that would
just give rise to all kinds of new thinking and new considerations. And we
are so imploded in this now minded scientific materialism that it would be wonderful for
us to have reason to open our minds, you know, right to finally
break out. You've got my soapbox. Now, No, that's great.
I agree with you one hundred percent. You know, with all of this
phenomena that we explore, I agree. Now, what was it that I
convinced you that there was non human creators of these crop circles? Well,
you know, the bottom line being convinced, although there's lots of ways,
the bottom line of being convinced is the way we establish truth in our society,
which is science gives us truth. Well, they've done some very sophisticated
scientific work experiments on the encircles and what they've ascertained is that there are changes
to the plants, biological changes to the plants, and chemical changes to the
soil inside crop circles that cannot be it is not to be found on earth.
So that's the most telling evidence. And those things have been written up
in scientific papers. They've been published in peer review science journals. That's where
we get our truths from. Why the world is not paying any attention to
it is you know another thing? I mean if and the whole point really
of my being out there so ardently is to get attention paid. All that
the world has to do is examine the evidence that's already in be open to
looking at it, and it's taking it seriously. Why not? Science is
are God and everything would change. So you know, the whole point of
my movie. You know, this movie that I've just made is not a
scientific movie. It's not. People say, oh, some people say,
well, where's all your proof? I said, no, no, I
didn't make this one for proof. In fact, the other one has a
lot more proof in it. But I made this one to get you excited
and to see that you know, there's such passion running on these things so
that you pay attention to the evidence. So you know, that was my
real That was the most convincing thing that just you know, let me absolutely
know that something was going on. But you know, there's thoughts of other
ways that you can see the difference between a host formation and non hosts,
although the hoastes have gotten better at it over the years, and you can't
always definitively tell, particularly when they've been trampled in by tourists, which they
do and then kind of your evidence is smashed, you know, But there
are a lot of other ways you can tell. You know, early on,
the hoaxers did not do good geometry, and whenever you saw a formation
that was exquisite geometry, and they are. We've learned that we have new
geometric theorems in our literature taken from the crop circum The head of the astronomy
department at Boston University got very interested in them in the early years, and
that was work that he did. Yeah, so early on you could go,
oh, gorgeous, gorgeous, Yeah that's for real, and then you
go, oh ugly bad geometry. You know in my past muster as a
design until you start examining the geometry and you see that they've just got it
all wrong. Nothing fits together, it didn't work that way. Oh those
are hoapes, you know. But it was the gorgeousness and the sophistications of
the geometry that you couldn't exactly say that was proof. Science is more your
proof. But it's so impressive the geometry is. So we go into some
of the geometry in a way that you can understand it. In fact,
some people have said, oh, I finally understand geometry watching the movie.
If we don't do a lot of it, but we do enough of a
snippet so you get the geometric sophistication of these things. And indeed, I
mean they are just spectacularly designed with great, great intelligence. When you ask
the geometers over there, and they have very very bright geometers, when you
ask the geometers over there, could you design something as good as the best
crop circles? And what they'll tell you is, you know, if there
are ideas that the grand circle makers work with, they introduce the kind of
a concept and then they do riffs on it. Like fractals got introduced in
nineteen ninety six, and ever since they have been designed based on the way
they interpret fractals in a wheat field. And as the geometers over there will
tell you, if once they've introduced a design idea, it's really clever how
they interpret it. We could probably design something comparable. But those ideas are
so unique and so original how they're translating a mathematical concept. It isn't just
lines and whatever. There's a lot more to it than that. And the
geometers say, you know, we are not that they are so extraordinarily original.
The concepts they come up with are just so startling that no, we'd
probably be hard pressed to do anything equally fantastic. Yeah, you know,
and mentioning the science and everything, it is shocking that even to this day,
when news pieces are written, which happen on a yearly basis because there's
so many crop circles on a yearly basis, the science is almost always left
out of the media reporting like ninety percent of the time, which is kind
of shocking because there really is some hard science. Well indeed, but you
know, your media likes salaciousness and you know, controversy and conflict and whatever,
and they immediately glom onto are they real? Aren't they real? Well
wait a minute, how about how about speaking about the implications if they were
real, How about talking about this incredible effect they could have on us,
and how stupid it is that we block our are our minds to it,
that we're not interested in it, because if it really did turn out to
be the goods, how how incredible that would be for it for other reasons
as well, because if you can picture they are, they are visiting us,
We're not visiting them. Whoever they are, they have a capacity to
do something we can't do. Well, if they can do that, what
else could they do? And if we're not open to it and we're not
receptive to it, how can we get their gifts? How can we learn
what they understand about science that we don't understand? And what problems could they
help us with? Could they help us with global warming? Could they help
us with alternative energy? You know, all these things that they are,
they seem to be have a brilliant set or or you would presume they would
just from the fact that they can get here. You know, these vast
when you look at space and it's impossible they can't get here, except what
if they are, and what and then what else could they do for us?
So just the possibility of that should really inspire us to be curious and
to open ourselves to this instead of this kind of nastiness of oh yeah,
well people can do that and people can do the other. And you know
the reporting that they do in the the cable channels, most of them.
Every few years, they'll go over and they'll make a new chickdook program that
they'll rerun for a few years, and then they go over and make another
one. They are incredibly irresponsible. It's so frustrating to see. And a
lot of the researchers get interviewed and they think, oh, boy, did
I tell them good things? This program is going to be so good,
and then they think what they cherry picked out of what was said and they
just pick sentences out and distort the meanings, and I mean it's really disgusting.
Actually, yeah, it's very immoral what they do most of the time
terrible because they give you the idea that, yeah, oh you told us
some great stuff. This is going to be wonderful and eye opening for people,
and then they switch it around so it's not effective. And they all
do it, you know, every single one of those programs as that kind
of slant to it, which is why it's good to watch, you know,
movies that are not made by the television, you know, cable stations.
So in other words, watch my movies. Right. I think another
uh reason I think people have a difficult time tackling this phenomenon, especially in
particular, is this one is so enigmatic. You kind of touched on that
before and with the geometry. Uh, there are so many theories and so
many theories that really seem to fit, but it's so strange and enigmatic and
hard to get your to get a grasp on. Well, you know,
if you're not really paying attention to the evidence, the mind would say,
oh, come on, people are just going out stomping those things down.
Come, don't be ridiculous. But if you are paying attention to the evidence,
it's harder to believe that this could be a perpetration by people than that
it's not. And what what can we say except that's the way it is.
That is the truth. Sure, it's hard to believe if you don't
know anything. If you look at them and say, well, yeah,
how could oh where would they come from? How could they get here?
I mean, who knows, you know, how would they do that?
Well? I don't know. Except that when you look at the evidence,
you get to see that it is more unbelievable that it is being made by
people than that it's not. And you know, here's another way that the
media misses the boat by not being honest and not really being curious if indeed
as they believe, or they at least tell us, uh, this is
all done by people. That's a fabulous story. How did people do this?
All over the world? Forty countries, years and years nobody ever caught?
How do four hours of darkness? In England? They are closer to
the North Pole than I am in Los Angeles, and it gets, you
know, light, it stays like later, it gets light earlier. The
height of summer is well, only four hours of darkness? How did people
do this? I mean, one of the formations, the biggest one ever
is the size of two football fields. It has four hundred and nine separate
it's all made a circles, although they aren't all made of circles. With
that one is how do they make four hundred and nine circles in four hours?
That stretch picture for your audience the size of two football fields. You
know, so it would be such an incredible story if what their speculation is
or their cynicism is turned out to be true. Yeah, it's all made
by people. Oh Mike, what a story if they tell it, if
they really investigate and that's what they discovered, not bring us this phony evidence
and you know cherry picked reports and what have you that. So so as
I say things, I keep trying to tell the media is for goodness sakes,
pay real attention, because you'd have an incredible story if this did turn
out to be all made by people. But tell, you know, really
examine it, and then of course I believe what they find out is that
it's not made by people. Right, So you know I got my motives
here. Well, in the History Channel, I know they had a show
where they attempted they had some MIT students attempt to do a circle overnight that
demonstrated all of the different anomalies yes that are found, and they failed a
lot. They completely failed. I mean they tried to say that they did
it, but they didn't. They did it, It took to night.
It was a small circle. They didn't do it in one night. Well,
you're absolutely right. They failed, and they claimed they succeeded. Nancy
Talbot's on the science site and if anybody wants to look up those stories,
they're all the science reports. They're all on the same side. BLT Research
dot com, Big and Less Tomato Research dot Com, and T is Talbert
for Nancy, and Nancy gave them a set of protocols. They said,
they want to do this TV show and Nancy said, Okay, if you
were going to replicate a genuine formation, these are the characteristics you would have
to produce, and this is the parameters you would have to abide by.
And they did none of that. And you know, we could go point
by point and take us the rest of the show, but they ended up
with something, you know, but it wasn't sitting the parameters. And they
said, oh look we did it. And you know a lot of people
have seen that show. And you know, I'm the coropsicle lady. So
they talked to me. Oh no, we saw those MIT students they made
well they made they did it. Oh no, they didn't do it.
Yeah, watch the details of the show. Yeah really really, So let's
get into some of these individuals that you worked with and the people who were
touched in a profound way and others I know who have kind of had this
compulsion to make this a big part of their life. Even if we could
talk about some of these people, well, you've got your USC professor of
architecture who actually was invited to be the head design consultants for Charles Eames,
if people know who he was, who is an incredible designer of product and
the Eames chairs several thousand dollars to buy one. So he's a very talented
guy. He was a designer and an architecture professor at USC, and there
he is. He's one of the granddads of this phenomenon. He's one of
the great experts. And in fact, if anybody wants to read the best
book, it's the newest one, and it's his book. He finally years
and years of writing the book. Right when you're going to get the book,
Michael Michael Blickmann, and the book is Crop Circles the Bones of God.
And in fact, if you get on my blog, you can link
through to it. My blog is the conversation dot org, where I write
a lot about the circles, and you will see a link on there that
you can just go by Crop Circles the Bones of God. But it is
it's a very unique book. It's different from all the others, which are
histories of the circles or picture books about the circles. This one is Michael
in entering the phenomenon and all the discoveries he made, and step by step
of what convinced him and what got him. And he's brilliant, you know,
and he really does. He is able to analyze them and see what
the elements of them are and what the genius of them is, and he'll
take you right into that. It's the only book like that, and I
highly recommend that it's very very readable book, Crop Circles, the Bones of
God. So he's, you know, somebody that I would point to.
Now, who else would we talk about. There's Nick Callistrom, who's also
in my movie. Not Michael's in my movie as well. Nick Collistrom was
a school mass teacher and he wrote a book, Oh I can remember the
name, I have the picture of it in my in my movie. But
what he went on to do, he went on to create an online course
based on this book for school students, you know, for students about the
geometry, all done from crop circles. And it's actually you wouldn't just have
to be a kid geometry student. You if you got on this this website,
or I need to have numbers, I'm sitting in my computer. Maybe
I can bring it up here while we're talking. But if you got on
this website, you'd be fascinated just reading. Uh, it isn't just all
numbers or lines and circles. It's explanations of various mathematical principles that the various
circles are expressing. You would never know this except if you were you know,
somebody expert told you that you see are really pretty patterns, But you
would have no way to really be privy to the just loveliness of the elements
that go into making this thing. Okay, I'm on his website now.
Hypermaths is the name of his book, and it's hypermaths h y p e
r maths plural dot org. That isn't the name of the book actually,
but this is the website. Oh, crop circles the hidden form. That's
the name of the book. But if you wanted to get on the website
to see this math course, it's hypermasss dot org slash crop circles, and
it just charms you and regales you, and I hope it's still up because
actually the webmaster is no longer with us. Yes, it's there. I
just clicked on it hypermaths dot org and you just go, oh wow,
look at those incredibly delicious kind of ideas that are being expressed in these crop
circles. Names of things you've never heard of, mathematical ideas you've never heard
of, and it's all beautifully graphically illustrated on this on this particular site.
And I've been trying. He's had this ub for a few years, and
I've been trying since that time to get some schools interested in. Whenever I
come across a teacher, I you know, I'd send them there and whatever.
Most of the crop circle people are not very good commercial salespeople. They
don't sell themselves very well. And but I've never been able to get,
you know, anybody to take it on. But if kids learned maps through
the the these crop circles, oh, they they would be learning geometry through
them. They would so enjoy the subject, you know, it would bring
it alive in a whole new way that you know, studying it academically just
you know that doesn't do for you. And he's just not a beautiful,
beautiful I'm on the site now once again. I'm just in love with with
all this stuff that he's done. And as I say, you don't have
to be interested in learning geometry. You can just see from the illustrations here
just how spectacularly geometric ideas are that are being played with. Yeah, in
the geometry, and I just took a look at his site too, and
some of what he incorporates. There's a lot of geometry, the sacred geometry,
which is something that is mirrored and used in architecture that we've seen throughout
history. And it's interesting that that really you don't see that in school,
which would be I think an interesting way to teach geometry. Well, sacred
geometry is the geometry of the universe. Everything in the universe is put together
along these lines. I guess that's why they call it sacred. Plants grow
if you reduce prants to the mathematical order of how leaves come out, and
you know the whole development of a plant. If you take the human body
and you relate the body parts mathematically, the hand to the arm, the
you know, all the body parts, they're all sacred geometry. Everything in
the universe is sacred geometry, which is why when you turn to the crop
circles, and they're not all geometrics, but the ones that are are made
along the lines of sacred geometry. That's the elements that designs them or the
design pattern to them. And that's probably why you think they're so beautiful,
why they are so beautiful. It's very beautiful. The universe is a beautiful,
beautiful place. And so even though you don't know that you're looking at
sacred geometry, you're just looking at these patterns, going, whoa, that
is beautiful. It's because of their designs along the lines of sacred geometry.
Cathedrals are designed that way, chart and the acropolis I got by names right
whatever. There you know, a lot of very beautiful architecture and beautiful design
is a function of this sacred geometric principles that they are being designed with,
which is the geometry of the universe is not all beautiful. I mean,
it's just so beautiful. The human body, even the human body even right,
yeah, right, that's a fascinating study. Yeah, yeah, it
is incredible, And I think that's what's that's another interesting facet of the crop
circles. Is that it incorporates that so much, which, like you said,
it's it's a way to teach people and get people interested in geometry.
I think, you know, for me math and science, I kind of
I was into it. I was okay at it, I was good at
it, but I mean, I until you get the practical uses. Once
I got to physics where you could do you know, see the practical uses,
Oh, this is why I'm learning this stuff. That's when it gets
really exciting and when you really want to use it. I think, well,
I love geometry personally. I was an excellent geometry student. I got
one hundred on everything. Oh, I got one hundred in all my math
because there were puzzles you could solve. But geometry was particularly not because it
wasn't just numbers. It was puzzled and I always found that very fascinating,
even you know, not knowing crop circles when I was a kid. Uh
but you know that was me. But but anybody would love learning their geometry
this way. Now you've talked a lot about or you earlier were talking about
the possible extraterrestrial origins of the crop circles that are are not man made U.
I know you ran across a lot of different theories. What were some
of the other major theories? Uh? But you know, you know,
people will come up with their their their opinions, and sometimes very strong opinion.
It's nature, okay. Uh, it's the future coming back to us,
it's from inside the earth, whatever, and and and very complex theories.
I actually have a little folder for the very strange, very complex.
People write whole books about the theories which I've I mean, it's quite astonishing
the way people take off on this and think they've solved it in some way.
But I'll just tell you one reflection I have about all of that.
First of all, we have no idea where this is coming from. We've
never identified anything in the universe besides ourselves that can function in a way that
could deliver these things. It's all science fiction, so we're absolutely speculating when
we imagine where they could come from. But even beyond that, I have
something else to say, which is that I think we can say relatively definitively.
I hate to be definitive about anything of something of this magnitude of awesomeness,
but I think we could relatively definitively say that whatever is delivering this,
like when people say nature, I say, well, how would nature do
that? In fact, it has all the characteristics of being delivered by something
that is embodied, like we are embodied and somewhere somehow in another dimension,
extraterrestrial, wherever the future. It's embodied because look at what it does.
It carefully designs, It makes selections, that makes choices. These aren't just
natural patterns. They're being very carefully honed. And then mind is applied to
where are they delivered? As I say, they land near sacred sites.
In America, they are frequently near Indian burial grounds, ancient things that are
we have a sense of, you know, some kind of I don't know,
sacred. I have to come up with a better word than that.
But whatever it is ancient and to be revered and respected and cherished and maintained
and whatever like Stonehenge and all of those kind of things over there. So
they very carefully are placed. They're not only near those things. But if
you can picture in England, which is the focal point of the phenomenon,
half of the formations approximately each year come in England, and then forty other
countries get a smattering of the rest of them. England is family farms.
It's not you know, commercial farming with these vast farms. They're small farms,
and the circles virtually never land overlapping, half in one farmer's field and
half in another. They're in a canvas. The little farms are like canvases
and the circles land inside them. Well, that's being orchestrated. There's thought
given to that. It's not accidental. And what thinks, Well, something
in a body thinks, So you know, there seems to me to be
the kind of evidence that indicates, wherever they're coming from, we have another
species of creature, you know, that actually is in bodies. Isn't that
a good It's fun kind of a fun idea, of course. I mean
each keys we've pictured in bodies forever. But you know, I rather like
that some other thinking species that can maneuver and engage us and get here and
deliver and design and have thought, you know, with a lot of what
they're delivering to us is stuff we recognize, almost like they're saying, look,
look, we see you. And they give us patterns we recognize,
They give us sacred symbols. We recognize. My movie has a solar system
that has the pattern of the planets that will be here in twenty twelve.
That date, we're looking toward somebody, somebody, some creature, some mind
decided that you know, oh look, we'll send them this. I wonder
if the creatures out there are scratching, as I say in the movie,
whatever passes for their heads, going why don't they get it? Don't they
get it? We keep delivering all this intelligence to them. How come they
don't see that? You know, they are receiving messages from us, So
at least they haven't given up on us, and they keep trying. Well
isn't that a good thing? Really? Really? And they do keep running
rings around us, so this big I mean, they just deliver these you
know, every ever they keep topping themselves with new different kinds of ideas that
they keep designing around and like, you know, each summer we go,
oh wow, look at that. And then of course, you know,
for your listeners, I don't know you have. I think you have probably
a sophisticated audience of sophisticated people. But in case anybody doesn't know, the
season is about to start. You know, April is the month when a
few might come in March, they've never come in March, but April sometimes
a few, and then May a few more, and then June's they really
start to be robust. But when they do come in, everybody, if
they don't know, get on crop circle connector dot com because each one that
comes in gets a page and you'll see the pictures that people take. Everybody
knows to send their stuff to crop Circle connector dot com, and then people
write their analyzes of them, and then they have these terrible chats about them
with a whole try to shoot down the researchers and insult them and say nasty
things about them. You don't want to get on those chats too much.
But the pictures and the stories that get printed on these pages or are quite
wonderful. I mean, you'll see the breadth of the intelligence that's encoded in
these things. They're not just pretty pictures. Even though they are pretty pictures.
There's a lot of information that's being carried in them, and individually information.
People sometimes ask what's the big message. I don't think there's a big
message. I think we're just being given over and over again the evidence that
intelligence is contacting us, right, and that that's why people get this idea
of messages like you're talking about, Well, they definitely are telling us things
in these individual circles. Things we recognize, things we analyze and go,
oh that's for this, and that's for that, and oh look that's the
echo of something we sent out the twenty five years ago. Look they sent
it back to us of you know, very smart people are paying atten and
from all different disciplines. So whereas you know, you or I wouldn't know
about geology or whatever, we wouldn't know about other people do, and they
pick out the you know, the encoded information that's the intelligence of their field,
and then they slap it all on cropsort ofconnector dot com. So you're,
oh, wow, look at all that stuff that's in there right now.
One of the idea series that floats around, and I was wondering,
if you have a sentive if it's taken very seriously in England where this mostly
happens, is of satellite creating these some sort of top secret military wepping.
Well, that's an interesting idea that people float around. I actually did a
blog post about it because that would not be possible. And there are parameters
of how those satellites work, how the Earth is spinning, how the how
visibility has to be there in order to do this. And so if you
got on conversation dot org and I wonder what you would have to type into
the search, maybe satellite, maybe the word satellite. I should get on
there myself and see and and see how you would bring up this particular piece
that speaks to the fact that that cannot be. So I'm waiting for my
blog. Let's see. Okay, let's see if I type in satellite baseball,
satellite st I'm gonna beat you two EL one L. I think Nope,
that didn't work. But that's okay, well military, maybe let's see
if we get it from that. But yeah, I know that's that in
England? Do people really bat that idea around it? And do they take
it serious? Reason? Here it is can satellites make crop circles? If
you scroll down to the third thing that appears, if you put satellite in
the search, you'll get some of the and that that's just a piece of
the feedback about why satellites can't make crop circles? Okay, gotcha? Great?
Now at deconversation dot org, right. A lot of fascinating stuff on
there. There's a archive of I write about consciousness and spirituality and what have
you. But if you go on the right, and first of all,
you can go back through page by page. But if you want all the
crop circle posts on the right there it says previous posts and the top thing
is crop circles. Can see that. I've had one hundred and thirty different
pieces I've posted about crop circles here, so if you want them all at
once, but I post very interesting other things as well, because I'm interested
in the crop circles because they can change consciousness. So I got things on
the blog that, you know, don't say crop circles at all, but
talk about consciousness and how we can what what the what what it is,
and what the bigger picture is that we're missing, and how we can aside
from having the crop circles, jar us into a greater awareness. In a
way, the greater awareness the crop cirvice with jaris into is it would change
our worldview who are we collectively? But consciousness is also a matter of individual
awakening and awareness and expansion, and I write a lot I put on a
lot of pieces about that as well. Now, you mentioned twenty twelve earlier,
and do you feel some people feel that, you know, that's a
mark for a large shifting consciousness or possibly awareness. Do you feel that way,
You're yeah, you will hear your in personal opinion, nobody knows what's
going to happen. If you just ask me my personal opinion, what I
would say is, I don't believe there's any credence at all to the fact
that a date is out there and something's going to happen. But what I
do think is because we're all interested in that, and there is so much
interest in it, and there is so much it gets us thinking, and
it gets us speculating, and it gets us talking about what the changes could
be, and maybe they're positive changes, and what kind of positive changes do
we need? And I think all that focus actually produces something very valuable.
So I'm very glad that you know we have twenty twelve there. It's like
the harmonic convergence in eighty six, I think, where again I just didn't
believe there was anything to the reality of the fact that something was going to
happen on a particular date to the universe, but the fact that we were
all focused on it, and then we were all talking about it and you
know, comparing notes and about what we think about life and whatever. I
thought all that was tremendously valuable, and in a way it did produce results.
You know, it did get us together into collective thinking. And I
can see where this is producing very mindful results in our mindfulness and our thoughtfulness,
and I think this is very good. That's an interesting perspective because I
can see that how the harmonic convergence convergence did get people speaking and speculating and
new ideas to thinking together, thinking together, which is what we really need
to do. We all need to think together and not just think about our
own greed or you know, personal aggrandizement and who gets the most money and
whatever. No, no, no, we need to think about the you
know, quality of life and what are we all doing here? And you
know, it certainly isn't about whoever makes the most money. I mean,
that doesn't turn out to be the goods, even though it's you know,
lovely, but it's not to be all end all. You know. We
we've really distorted ourselves, right and unfortunately, yeah, especially with how commercial
things are these days and our country becomes more and more about money. But
although I think it gets lost and maybe you feel this way. I mean,
for instance, you have a movie that, like you said, offers
a lot of information that is not in the mainstream, and there are a
lot of people interested in your movie and in all of these subjects that aren't
in the mainstream, and it's kind I like the silent masses that are underneath
at all. Well, I've certainly made I did not make this movie for
us. I made this movie to get out to those people that you know
are are not paying attention to these bigger issues, and in fact, we're
just starting to move out that way. I started out with a marketing campaign
to the second largest niche on the net, which is us. When I
say us, the UFO niche sex being the first largest niche. But because
it was such a vast audience out there, and because I could first of
all sell the movie and keep retail profit, so then I had money to
have a campaign to get the movie out further. And in fact, one
thing I want to tell your audience is if anybody is in New York,
big big deal. My movie's going to run for a week in New York
in April twenty second. If it does well, it will run past the
first week and it will go out to a large chain of theaters if it
does well. So a lot of my effort now is going into spreading the
word in Manhattan. It's going to be a very well known art house in
Manhattan called the Quad Cinema. Everybody in Manhattan knows what the Quad side.
When does that start? It starts April twenty seconds. And in fact,
because you've got a sophisticated UFO kind of audience, I'm looking for panelists to
do Q and a's with me afterwards. Great, So if you get on
the conversation dot org my blog, you can email me from there. But
I am looking for even people who would moderate. Maybe you don't even know
much about the Circles, but they have some cachet in the world, and
you know, people would find it interesting to have, you know, bring
me some movies start well, cool, because I know we do have a
lot of people in New York, a lot of listeners out there, so
and some of them are active in this stuff. So you know, get
on and you email me and I'll give you information about things you might be
able to go to other than the movie. And there's a going to be
a big deal thing in going on in New York and I really want support
there. We have five shows a day for seven days minimum, and I
want to you know, have them crowded, and I wanted to be successful
there. So all right, any New Yorkers be in touch. Well,
we're out of time, So the Conversation dot Org is where the New Yorkers
and other could go to see your blog and then crop circlemovie dot com to
see more about the movie and how to purchase it. Excellent, well done.
Actually on the blog you can click on by the movie and it'll take
you the same place at crop circlemovie dot com. So if you all go
to the Conversation dot org, it's the only place you have to go to
and you can do it all. All right, Well, thank you so
much for being on the show. It was a lot of fun. You
definitely brought a lot of energy to the show and a lot of information.
Thank you for being a good interviewer. You are, Alejandro, and you
really are with me here and I can really feel it and that's what helps
me, you know, express myself. So I appreciate that. Great Thank
you very much, thanks for being on the show, and we'll have to
revisits time any time. All right, Well, next week I want to
let everybody know that we're going to have Chuck Zukowski on. He's a paranormal
investigator. We've had him on the show before. He has done roswell research
and also cattle mutilation stuff recently and he got terminated as a reserve deputy sheriff's
officer for some of his cattle mutilation stuff, so we're going to talk to
him about that. Thanks for listening to Open Minds Radio. Don't forget to
visit Openminds dot tv for more UFO news. We'll talk to you next week.