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Love Hot Radio. Welcome to Open
Minds Radio with Alejandro Roja. Open Minds

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Radio is the UFO news authority presenting
evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO

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phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro
Rohan. Hello, it's Alejandro Rojas.

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And thank you to Bob Dean doing
our intro there. If you were at

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the UFO Congress, he made us
all cry when he went up and he

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accepted the lifetime achievement for Wendell Stevens. It was a very, very touching

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moment because they were good friends,
and Bob certainly misses him, and he's

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always a great speaker who really it's
very emotional and draws you in and man,

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I was getting choked up. I'm
not gonna lie people. So thank

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you Bob for doing our intro.
So today we have a magnificent show.

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It's going to be a lot of
fun. Our guest tonight will be Suzanne

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Taylor. She's a filmmaker whose latest
project was about crop circles. It was

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called What on Earth Inside the Crop
Circle Mystery. It was shot in England

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and it engages the lively community of
artists, scientists, philosophers, geometers and

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I'm not quite sure what a geometer
is, so I'll have to ask her

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educators and farmers who have been profoundly
touched by the crop circle phenomenon. Many

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people have in the public been profoundly
touched because they are profound pieces of arts

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that are found in the mysterious fields
out there in England, all over the

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place, but especially in England.
The film goes on to speculate about what

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would happen if it were ascertained that
the crop circles do indeed come from other

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intelligence, which many of us believe
that has happened already, that has been

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ascertained, but of course not the
general public in completely in the mainstream arena,

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you know, they still think it
was two old guys get drunk and

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go out and make crop circles,
Doug and Dave, one of whom has

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already passed away. The other one
is something like eighty years old. So

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I'm sorry to the conventional media out
there, it's not those two, although

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there are a lot of crop circle
groups out there making them. You know,

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there's still a lot of mysteries to
be had, as our listeners know,

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because we have covered crop circles in
the past with the one and the

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only, the magnificent Nancy Talbot.
So this is going to be a lot

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of fun talking to Suzanne. She's
got a great movie and we're going to

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be able to talk to her about
her perspectives, how she got into this,

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and she's got a very interesting history
in filmmaking that we will talk about

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as well. So this is going
to be a lot of fun. And

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of course, if you're a subscriber
to the magazine, you are all up

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to date on the crop circle phenomena
because our last issue, the sixth our

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anniversary issue, was all about crop
circles and it was a good one,

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if I do say so myself.
So if you haven't gotten that issue,

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you got to rush to the website
and get it because it's really cool.

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Also, I guess just a couple
of notes, Linka Tai should say thank

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you to her because this weekend she
allowed our cohort in crime. Actually we

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don't do anything criminal here, but
depends. Yeah, true, true,

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some people there were some rumors going
around that were black ops of some sort,

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but not that we're aware of.
It's so secret that we don't even

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know it if that is true.
But we don't need to know. Yeah,

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we're not in the know about knowing, but I do know that the

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Phoenix Lights Anniversary, the fourteenth anniversary
was this weekend and Lincoln Tai showed her

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movie had Travis Walton and also had
the illustrious genius of Ufology, that being

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Antonio Juneus. This man's incredible and
if you get our magazine again, you

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know that because he writes a lot
of our great articles. But he was

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able to be there and say hello
to the crew as well. So if

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you haven't seen her documentary, you
got to check it out. It's The

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Phoenix Lights dot Net. It's a
great one. Also, then Antonio busy

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weekend for him was on The Bob
Hieronymous and I think, I hopefully I

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don't have that wrong radio show,
and it's a great show, and I'm

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sure he had a lot of fun
on there, and I hope you had

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a lot of fun if you listened. But now you're listening to our radio

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show, which is a lot of
fun. And one of the best parts

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of our show is the UFO News
because we keep up to date on the

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news that's gone on a daily basis, and there's some great news going on.

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We have just this incredible news reporter
guy named Jason who comes on the

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show to tell us all about it. And actually, ladies and gentlemen,

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I'm happy to say he is here
with us again this evening. Hello Jason

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all shook. Hi Alejandro, how
are you good? How are you doing?

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I have fantastic sir, wonderful.
This is your Open Mindes news Brief

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for Monday, March fourteenth, twenty
eleven. As you already mentioned, Allejudro,

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yesterday was the fourteenth anniversary of the
Phoenix Lights, the mass Ufo siding

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that took place back in nineteen ninety
seven, and it seems to have become

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a tradition where Phoenix Light investigator doctor
Linka Tai hosts a screening of her documentary

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The Phoenix Lights, and she did
that yesterday. And I love to report

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on the Phoenix Lights, anything that
happens with the Phoenix Lights, because of

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course us being in Phoenix, it's
near and dear to us, and as

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a witness to the spectacular event,
I just find anything new that comes out

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about it fascinating worth looking at.
Yes, definitely, I'm sorry you didn't

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see it. Nina, Nina and
Nina the Phoenix sights. Yes, not

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the movie. You saw the movie. Yeah, I was talking about the

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actual actual events. I know.
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about that. That would have been
great, and we're I'm anticipating them coming

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back. In fact, I lived
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and they certainly flew out over that
area according to I witness account,

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just south of the Phoenix area here, and I don't recall the date,

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but they have made other appearances.
Well, I want to see him.

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You're in the prime spot, my
friend, keep your camera set up,

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give me a call. I'll come
out. I got my chihuahua on the

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roof bot right. Well, I
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because you are in the prime spot, and this time I will have Well,

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last time I had a camera in
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footage disappeared to. Yeah, you
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High over her more than likely the
video. Yeah, job, buddy,

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push record, and that tape is
long gone. Here's a story just for

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you, Alejandro. Model and actress
Christy Brinkley says she saw a UFO when

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she lived in Crete. She was
out shopping one day and she saw four

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lights in the sky. She recounted
her story saying, this is broad daylight,

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and the lights are very, very
bright. All of a sudden,

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all four of the lights shot over
the mountain to the other side of crete.

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When she returned home from shopping,
she learned from others in her village

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that the lights had disappeared into the
sea, which is not an uncommon thing

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to hear in sightings. A lot
of sightings happen around water, and a

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lot of things disappear into the water. People talk about and no doubt,

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Christie Brinkley is a very beautiful woman. They talked about how she doesn't show

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her age, and she hadn't because
she looks so great and all of the

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commercials she still does and everything.
But actually the picture in that story she

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actually shows her age. That is
true. I think that's a very first

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picture I've seen where it's like,
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being and is aging, and she's
not a playdian. She's aged beautifully though,

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and I certainly had an early crush
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always enjoyed watching National Lampoon's Family Vacation. Oh yeah, some great work that

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she did in there. Absolutely,
but stories like this are cool. We

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hear more about these, you know, celebrity people coming out with their own

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stories, and because of that,
because they're celebrities, they're in the spotlight,

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their stories, their witness accounts tend
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And I personally think that things are
opening up. I think more and more

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people are feeling comfortable sharing their UFO
stories because, as you know, the

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amount of people over the years who
have shared their stories, accumulating some very

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credible people president you know, media
people and so forth, that they feel

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more more comfortable doing that, which
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what's really the slow but continual movement
that's going to happen to really make the

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general public in general feel more comfortable
about this subject. Yeah. I agree.

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It's an interesting development from NASA.
Images from cameras have apparently provided the

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most detailed views to date of the
far side of Earth's Moon. Three cameras

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aboard NASA's unmanned Lunar Reconnaissance orbiter provided
the more than fifteen thousand photographs synthesized to

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create the detailed image of the far
side of the Moon. Scientists say the

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surface of the far side of the
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The fifteen thousand photographs were taken between
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twenty eleven. And this also has
an Arizona connection because the cameras are part

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of I guess they're basically operated by
Arizona State University, who does a lot

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of these Moon missions with NASA.
Yeah. ASU is very exciting. In

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fact, I was looking up some
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and ASU does a lot of that
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pretty cool. And don't you have
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Not really conspiracy, but you know
with any well I know a lot

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of other people do absolutely and with
any sort of space imaging where we don't

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really get great views, you know, you get partial views. That's why

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they had to assemble this image of
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far side of the Moon, from
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span, because they can't go there
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you know it's an assembly of many
pictures. You're not going to get one

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percent accurate representation. But it's probably
pretty close, and it would be good

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because a picture the only picture provided
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resolute, and I'm talking extremely tiny
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there. So hopefully they'll release some
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who is a director for move on
the Mutual UFO network, he was

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in Phoenix recently showing some of the
moon pictures where you can see clear manipulation,

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where there are fuzzy areas in these
pictures where it appears that something was

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being hidden outrageous, but I will
show you. I think there are some

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higher resolution photos of small parts,
but you can definitely see what they're talking

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about with the dark side being much
rougher. And there are tons of these

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caves on the Moon, these craters
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tubes or caves that they recently got
better pictures of on the front side of

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the Moon, so very cool.
I think there's a lot of things under

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the Moon inside under the surface,
like creatures of some sort. That's my

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hope. That'd be cool. It's
possible these underground caves are incredible. Yeah,

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hopefully we'll get some inside views of
those soon. Yeah. I mean

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the more we discover, of course, like we talked about, the more

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amazing everything is out there. Thank
you Asu. Yes, my alma mater.

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Yes, I had to talk about
another fireball UFO. I love the

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fireball UFOs and Oswego, Illinois resident
Brandon Tudor photographed a fireball UFO and the

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sky on the evening of Sunday,
March sixth, which was two Sundays ago.

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Tudor described the object as a ball
of fire falling towards earth. According

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to The Beacon News, the witness
stated that the object changed direction as it

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fell. Tudor also claims that he
saw two jets fly into view and circle

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the area. After the UFO disappeared, he took four pictures of the UFO

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on his iPhone Before the object vanished. Tudor took to the Internet to see

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if anyone else had seen the UFO. He also made several phone calls.

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He even looked for answers on above
Top Secret, but he's still on the

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quest to discover the true identity of
the UFO, while other witnesses have yet

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to come forward. The object was
also witnessed by Tutor's daughter who pointed to

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the sky and said, I told
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That is really funny. But do
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the sky which could be anything you've
got space junk. You've got all sorts

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of things that fall from the sky
all the time. But this one was

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interesting being that it changed shape or
changed a flight path. Yeah, if

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that was an illusion of you know, created by him watching this thing and

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it really did move, of course, that's pretty strange. And I just

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got done with his story the Kesburg
crash, which was a famous story for

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sixty five of people seeing fire a
fireball that changed directions, landed in the

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forest and then police and army went
in there to pick it up. Of

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course, nothing, no meteorite or
space debris coming in from this guy is

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supposed to do that unless it's some
kind of secret damaged space plane, right,

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which who knows. We know they're
out there. Since it's funny enough

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that you know, they keep talking
in the news about the secret space plane

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that the Air Force has flying,
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and they call it top secret even
though we all know about it, and

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it's in the media and everything.
Although we know about it, we don't

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know what it's carrying or what its
mission is. Yeah. But the other

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interesting thing about this fireball is the
report that there were two jets that came

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and circled the area. Didn't see
any photos of that, but that's what

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the report says. So who knows. You would think that if they are,

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you know, testing these secret projects, that some would where some would

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have failures or problems, and then
yeah, sure they'd want to recover those

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things without people knowing. So who
knows. Eldis clandestine secrecy all on the

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public's time. We don't know what
the heck's going on or why, or

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if it's having any effect on our
lives or national security. And it's casting

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billions and billions of our tax dollars. Yay, thanks, hooray. I

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know you haven't seen Battle Los Angeles
yet. Are you going to see it

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soon? I want to go with
you tomorrow. Yeah. Critics have been

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pretty rough on it, but people
who've actually seen it love it. Oh

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yeah. But at the Los Angeles
press day for the film Battle Los Angeles,

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UFO experts Bill Burns and Mark Easter, Mark Easter from MUFON and retired

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military officers Colonel Charles Halt and Captain
Robert Salas were the panel of experts who

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answered questions related to UFOs. Did
you see the video at all of this

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press conference? No? And in
fact, actually I didn't even know there

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was a video. I don't know
did we post that. I don't know

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if we posted the video. We
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handled themselves extremely well, and it
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battle Ali was treating this all very
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phone story we did post today about
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it very well and pretty interesting,
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said about the possibility of this being
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I know, don't feel that we're
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to be attacked, right. They
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military officers, some of our at
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movies like Battle Los Angeles when they
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sees an increase in citing the reports
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absolutely. And they thought, well, perhaps it's because people, you know,

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you can't take them as seriously as
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a great thing. He said,
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are coming after seeing a movie like
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start thinking about it and they actually
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normally do You go about your daily
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when they leave the theater, they
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because they want to see. Yeah, that's a good point. I don't

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certainly new stories and media and news
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people start to think, you know, about their sighting because they think,

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you know what, I saw a
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told anybody I should go report it
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that they're making something up. Some
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oh my gosh, we're being attacked. But I think for a lot of

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you know, the people, it's
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think that's right. And while I
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Battle Los Angeles where they portray the
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We're all going to die. They're
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think it's positive do we have movies
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people start thinking about it, they
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reality. Yeah, it's good to
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conversation about the subject, that's for
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doing a lot of it, and
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weekend, claiming the number one spot, bringing in thirty six million dollars.

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but the animated one, mars Needs
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And that movie costs a fortune to
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their money on. I know it's
animation. But to compare these, Battle

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Los Angeles cost seventy million dollars to
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and fifty million dollars, twice as
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pitiful that they made fox point eight
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cost so dang much? John Qusac, She's a She's a Superstar. Yeah,

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and it looks like a cute,
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looked like I add some good lines
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the trailers show you all the best
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so maybe it wasn't that good.
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I guess moms aren't ready to take
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Yeah, I guess not or people
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to offend mom, she's the one
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movie, or don't give the kids
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on, aliens, take my mom. But yeah, I'm surprised, first

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of all how much they costs to
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mean I would think I would think
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money because all the explosions and everything. But yeah, people are running around,

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all the extras, all the people, all the blowing stuff upright,

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although these days you probably don't have
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just you fake it, g g
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and more ali Aanthe movies are portraying
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mechanical, but some scientists are saying, however, that artificial life is most

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likely what would come off a spaceship
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of computer science that UCLA recently said
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I bet you that it is ninety
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that what excess the ship will be
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Shostak also stated, I fully agree
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biological beings attacking us like in Battle
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robots are going to be what comes
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made, or a good point made
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that our own limitations of space travel
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get somewhere. Who's like that it's
easier to put a robot in the ship,

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turn it off, and then when
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they have as there are a lot
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especially the scientists. You know,
Oh yeah, most likely, how

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would they know? I mean,
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like we are, we send rovers, we send robots into space. But

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if your technology is so advanced that
it's just as easy for you to jump

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in your spaceship and cruise a million
light years then why wouldn't you just jump

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in your own chip. I mean, if we it was just as easy

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for us to send people to Mars
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right because they can do more,
collect more everything. If they have a

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sort of stargate technology where they can
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they would probably send beings. So
it's all it depends. I mean,

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you don't know for sure. Well, and if you're like Star Trek and

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you've got an android like Data,
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you don't have to worry if you'll
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But he never went alone. He
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they send him when they didn't know
if they would to be okay, I

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send Data. I don't think that
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not always trust me on this one. I will and Alejandra, this is

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a story that we talked about this
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creature is said to be living in
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Turkey. Descriptions provided by witnesses are
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Man, and one woman believes the
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Let's see. Semra Salvan Ceslon is
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a UFO researcher. She plans to
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of spotting the creature or object,
whatever it may be. She's apparently been

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researching UFOs for quite a while and
she discovered the serious UFO space science research

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center in Istanbul, just run by
Hoktan Octagon, And apparently she's made a

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lot of friends over there with several
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that she was one of two females
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is largely a male field, I
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And one of the girls who used
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cannot remember her name right now.
For some she came to move on a

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few years ago. A really cool
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part on Star Trek interesting, one
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nine in the bar. Yeah,
she was a very pretty woman and she

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played one of those bartender girls that
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but what is it? This girl
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they have two women in eulogy,
and they're both very pretty. Well,

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don't bring that up. Why not, that's too late. That's why you

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have so few women in the field, because they have people like you pointing

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out how pretty they are. They
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It's for their brains, Allehandro,
their brains. No, they like

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both. She is very pretty and
the girls. They always talk about who

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they think are the cute guys in
apology, you know, when they want

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who they want to see up on
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I've never heard that, Alhandro.
Oh, okay, I have.

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to you here about all the girls. Oh, I can't wait to see

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you. I'm jealous, Allehandro,
I am, but not that. This

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creature is pretty fascinating and a lot
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I guess, have reported seeing this
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and I don't know, descriptions vary, but it's kind of cool that

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she thinks that she described it as
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I don't know if she thinks it's
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camping out to find out what it
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and lets us know. I do
too. But Turkey's awesome for their their

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UFO research. Hawktown's a busy guy
over there. He's got his UFO museum

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and his serious research center. And
yep, we wrote about him in their

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incredible Turkish video that he took not
too long ago, right over a several

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year period. And the excellent work
that octon data and getting serious scientific research

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done on that video. Excellent witty
comment, my friend. Thank you all

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one hundred. That is it for
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to continue next week, No problem, buddy, I look forward to it.

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Also, be sure to check out
these stories and more at openminds dot

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tv, your source for UFO related
news. I'm your Open Minds correspondent Jason

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McClellan, and you've been briefed.
I relinquished command to you. Alejandro,

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you were in command. I'm always
in command. That's what you saw.

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I'm turning off your camera. Thank
you, my friend. All right,

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thank you, Jason. Excellent job. As usual, all of the interesting

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news going on around the world on
UFOs. It's incredible stuff. Some of

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the other stuff that we've written about
that you will see at the website should

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you go there. Some more very
exciting stuff such as more follow up on

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the UFO Congress. A lot happened
and some of you were wondering, you

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know that, hey, those films
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that which films? One? How
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there? There's lots of people who
were there who are asking how do I

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purchase these magnificent movies? And you
can go to our website and we have

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a story on that. In fact, we showed some videos which highlighted,

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you know, the nominees for each
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the acceptance speeches of the people.
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over some of the winners real quick. Best short UFO Film was one by

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Boom bum Enigma of the Flying Spears, and this is exciting because this was

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done by an Italian company and they
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to and Trees and out of the
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made it to the finals to the
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about the Friendship Case and the other
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movie that was about a UFO siting
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very exciting. You can get information
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so we had a very international flare. And then as for the winner for

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the Best UFO Feature Film, that
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Travel Productions called The Hidden Hand.
So that was a great movie. People

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really loved it. The other nominees
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which can be found at ufotv dot
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Before Disclosure by Voices of the New
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People's Choice award, so that was
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guys came from Norway to hopefully win
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Festival, and luckily they did not
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them was wondering how they were going
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customs people. The award was accepted
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the New Paradigm Films, so very
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of the film festival up. We
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the conference who actually does some kind
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people with alternative hobbies and stuff like
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Peter Best, and we have some
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and you'll see more of his great
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talked about the Saudi Arabia Business Forum
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discussing UFOs in front of all of
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and Bill Clinton. Well, Tony
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they spoke at the conference. I
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Forum, but it was a packed
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mitchi Okaku theoretical Physicists, who we
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Leslie Kyne's book, Nick Pope,
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had on the show not too long
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also had on the show recently.
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Congress and then a professor of earths
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I don't know if I'm saying that
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But the cool thing is is that
this conference posted videos of all of the

407
00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:09.079
talks, and there were tons and
tons of talks. So this is really

408
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:14.279
great because you can go and see
what all of these people had to say

409
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:17.880
and what they told the forum,
and this business forum, you know,

410
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:29.240
took this subject very seriously. In
fact, the section of the UFO portion

411
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:37.640
of the talk was just kind of
about innovation regarding business and how UFOs and

412
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:44.160
opening your mind to the subject.
It was called contact learning from outer space.

413
00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:47.440
How we can learn from to be
innovative from opening our minds. So

414
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:53.359
very cool that this conference did that. I think it's very important to see

415
00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:58.279
that these major business players. I
mean, when you watch these videos,

416
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:02.480
you will see that this was not
just some mom and pop deal. This

417
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:08.000
was something that a lot of money
was sunk into to put together and these

418
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:14.759
are some major players. So it's
really cool to be able to see these

419
00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:22.079
videos other stories from the web.
We also, of course, I think

420
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:30.880
we talked about this yet last week
how NASA scientists possibly found some bacteria on

421
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:37.720
another meteorite that he feels he was
able to prove from space. So the

422
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:42.400
debate continues. Some NASA scientists have
said no, that they don't agree with

423
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:46.039
him, but actually you may remember
that in the nineties has happened as well.

424
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:52.200
President Bill Clinton had a famous quote
where he talked about the importance if

425
00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:59.680
we have discovered extraterrestrial life, but
that was highly debated and kind of debunked

426
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:06.319
by mainstream science. Although that meteorite
is still under debate. So this whole

427
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:12.280
subject of whether or not some of
these meteorites are from space and do show

428
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:17.840
microbial life is under debate. It's
not a concluded at all. So now

429
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:22.960
these scientists behind the scenes continue to
debate whether or not life has been found.

430
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:27.519
Of course, if they can confirm
that, I think it would be

431
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:31.280
very interesting. I think people would
be extremely surprised, but I think they

432
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:34.920
would be very excited. I think
it would mean a lot for this build

433
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:38.639
because now people would start to realize
that, hey, maybe life is more

434
00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:45.760
abundant out there than people have assumed. So those are some of the stories

435
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:50.320
you could check out on the website. However, I want to move to

436
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:55.480
our special guests for the evening.
I'm very excited to welcome Susanne Taylor.

437
00:34:55.480 --> 00:35:00.440
Susanne, are you there. I'm
raring to go. Oh right, god

438
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:05.079
great, I have my favorite subject. Yes, thank you so much for

439
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:13.519
being on the show tonight. And
I was looking at your profile on IMDV,

440
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:16.960
the Internet movie database, and it
appears that you were on a lot

441
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:23.679
of you know, everybody's favorite television
shows back and that was my first life.

442
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:27.599
That was before I decided that I
had to go save the world.

443
00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:31.000
Right, I mean I made I
made a lot of commercials and I how

444
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:36.639
the sitcoms, and right, that's
pretty neat. It's exciting because these,

445
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:37.639
I mean are these are the best
of the best. These are all the

446
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:42.599
shows that I think every kid,
most American kids have grown up with with.

447
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:45.000
I dream of Genie, Andy Griffith, Dick Van Dyke and that's of

448
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:51.199
your FID year old enough. Alaha, well there's reruns luckily, oh oh

449
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:55.119
good, good good. And my
favorite Martian. Yeah, I was his

450
00:35:55.239 --> 00:36:01.039
mother, that is the Martian's mother
was well, no, not the Martian.

451
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:05.400
Let's see, guys, A long
time ago with Bill? Was that

452
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:07.079
the show with Bill Bixby? I
was, Yeah, Bill, that's right,

453
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:10.039
I was. I was Bill Bixby's
mother, And I think it was

454
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:14.400
a flashback because I was young at
the time. Uh huh. So it

455
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:17.880
was when he was a little kid
and I was his mother. How cool?

456
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:23.719
That is really neat? Yes,
really, So you have been in

457
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:29.639
the entertainment industry industry for a long
time. Yes, I was very familiar

458
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:34.800
with the showbiz when I decided that
I could do better for the world then

459
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:38.400
make so commercials and situation coming.
And actually I was a painter also at

460
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:42.679
the time. I was painting pictures
of flowers and I looked at the world

461
00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:45.599
and I said, wait a minute, I can do better for my world

462
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:52.280
than this world in trouble, needs
to be more aware, needs to open

463
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:55.559
its eyes, and how can I
keep doing these kind of you know,

464
00:36:55.760 --> 00:37:01.239
side ventures here. So I got
really organized myself and I started pointing out,

465
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:05.960
okay, how am I going to
wake this world up? And so

466
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:07.679
you know, you have to skip
a couple of decades now and here we

467
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:14.280
are playing with crop circles. Yeah, very cool. So your first venture

468
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:21.000
into helping to save the planet was
Crop Circles. That is that what Crop

469
00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:24.360
Circles was for you. No,
it wasn't my first venture. I started

470
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:29.199
out by producing a lot of different
kinds of programs and events that had to

471
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:31.440
do it was personal growth at the
time. That was kind of at the

472
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:37.119
top of the list was the Human
Potential movement Ethelyn the sixties. Actually I

473
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:40.199
came after the sixties, but that
all got started in the sixties of when

474
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:45.320
we started to think that the world
wasn't all Ozzie and Harriet and we could

475
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:47.679
do something about it. And so
I was producing a lot of different kinds

476
00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:52.599
of programs. You know, LA
is a crossroads and all kinds of interesting

477
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:58.119
people passed through, and I was
on a list for agents, and people

478
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:01.400
would come through on their book tours
and whenever somebody interesting was in town or

479
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:05.280
frequently I would get a call,
do you want to produce these people?

480
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:08.079
So I would do evenings for people
like that, and then sometimes I would

481
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:12.960
find a teacher who's really sort of
at the beginning of their teaching career,

482
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:15.679
and I would say, oh,
I think this is waronderful stuff. And

483
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:19.320
I would promote them and make them, help make them successful. And then

484
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.639
in the course of doing all that, the clop circles just came along as

485
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:25.679
another subject matter I was interested in, you know, how we could open

486
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:30.519
our minds, and the clop circles
kind of accidentally landed in my lap and

487
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:34.119
they said, oh, we're not
making those, and I thought, oh,

488
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:37.280
that would really open our up,
and so I started paying attention.

489
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:43.679
That was in the late eighties that
I discovered these things, and they hadn't

490
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:49.400
yet possessed me. They were just
another interesting thing, and I started producing

491
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:52.599
programs about them. They were very
popular programs at the time. I had

492
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:59.719
to rent large spaces because everybody was
buzzing in the late eighties and nineteen ninety

493
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:04.639
about what was this going on?
What was this seemed to be visitation going

494
00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:07.280
on, and they were so beautiful
and so weird, and you know,

495
00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:14.840
my god, museum quality art in
wheat fields, you know. So.

496
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:20.719
But then as I more and more, you know, became involved and went

497
00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:24.039
over to England and learned more and
more about what was going on, I

498
00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:28.639
thought, oh, this is the
thing that could really change the world big

499
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:31.159
time. This isn't one person at
a time, this is everyone all at

500
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:36.880
once. And so I more and
more dropped the other subject matters and started

501
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:40.719
focusing on this and then produced my
first movie in two thousand and two.

502
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:45.719
It was the first feature film ever
about the circles. It was in theaters,

503
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:49.360
it was on the Sci Fi channel
for three years. It was called

504
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:53.119
Crop Circles, Quest for Truth.
I was not the filmmaker. I was

505
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:57.880
the executive producer. I put it
together and I actually knew more about the

506
00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:00.840
subject than the filmmaker than knew,
so I would, you know, kind

507
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:05.480
of organize what we were shooting,
and I organized ten weeks in England where

508
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:07.760
we were shooting. But at the
end of that that is the kind of

509
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:10.920
history of the crop circles. And
when that film came out in two thousand

510
00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:15.079
and two, I thought, you
know, there's another film here, which

511
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:21.320
is what are all these fascinating people
who have given up their lives for this

512
00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:27.400
phenomenon. They've you know, left
of successful careers and many different enterprises,

513
00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:30.920
people from all over the world who
have become the crop circle researchers, and

514
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:37.440
they're they're such colorful characters and the
stories they have to tell. I know

515
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:40.159
the stories because I'm now part of
this world and I'm not you know,

516
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:44.960
the news media that comes along in
snoops from the outside and doesn't really know

517
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:47.840
what it's looking at and doesn't know
where to go for the most interesting stories.

518
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:52.760
I thought I could make a really
fascinating movie, and that's when I

519
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:55.760
embarked on the one I have now
where I am the filmmaker, which is

520
00:40:55.800 --> 00:41:00.280
called What on Earth Inside the Crop
Circle Mystery. I notice on your website

521
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:02.840
you don't tell anybody where they can
go to get it, So I'm just

522
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:07.000
gonna tell them now. You go
to Crop circlemovie dot com and that's where

523
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:13.599
you can see the trailer and uh
and actually buy the DVD. But this,

524
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:16.679
you know, was eight fool rush
in where Angels three are to tread,

525
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:22.360
I can make a movie? Uh
huh six years later? Wow,

526
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:24.679
So it took a while. Well, I wasn't doing it, you know

527
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:30.559
the way when a studio makes a
movie, they have a concentrated effort and

528
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:32.400
they do it all at once and
they make the movie. But I was

529
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:37.960
continually returning to England and trying to
you know, as a little indie filmmaker,

530
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:43.000
you know, you really have to
struggle more to get your movie together.

531
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.480
And it did take me six years
to put it all together. And

532
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:51.000
it came out last year. Yeah, so I've got my movie, and

533
00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:53.280
I love my movie, and people
love my movie, which is quite wonderful.

534
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:57.079
Yeah, a lot of people love
the movie. It's a lot of

535
00:41:57.119 --> 00:42:00.440
fun. And like you said,
it's it's updating and it's moving on from

536
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:06.599
your first film, which is one
that I really liked, Quest for Truth.

537
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:08.960
I like them both, and then
this is kind of like part two,

538
00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:14.719
you know, moving on and getting
into the more personal part of people

539
00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:17.760
and their experiences. You know,
a lot of those people and their experiences

540
00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:22.719
came into the field of the field
and crop fields because of that first movie.

541
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:25.719
They saw that first movie and they
thought, you know, intrigue,

542
00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:30.599
and a lot of the people in
my movie were the front or the product

543
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:32.440
of seeing that first movie. So
that was kind of squeezed. Also,

544
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:36.960
Oh that's very cool. That is
very screen. Yeah, that's great.

545
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:43.000
Now, when was it that you
first went to when you first experienced visiting

546
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:47.159
a crop circle? Well, I
was producing since nineteen eighty nine and then

547
00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:52.199
I first went over there in nineteen
ninety eighty nine. Yeah, ninety three.

548
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:55.519
I get my decades mixed up,
so I've been twenty years, you

549
00:42:55.559 --> 00:43:00.679
know, horsing around in those crop
fields. And I am probably of all

550
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:07.320
the people involved. And there is
a rabid community of passionate people who gather

551
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:09.480
in England every summer. Who are
the ones who take the pictures, write

552
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:15.360
the books, do the lectures.
But of all those people, I'm probably

553
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:17.360
the one with the most energy on
getting it out to the world. I

554
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:22.360
don't have a specialty like the others
do of being a photographer or a lecturer

555
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:27.960
or whatever, even though I'm now
starting to speak, but I have the

556
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:31.480
you know, just this mission to
tell the world what's going on. And

557
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:34.800
you know, how do you tell
the world anything? You make a movie,

558
00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:39.079
you know, so you know,
that's kind of somewhat my unique role.

559
00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:43.639
Everybody, of course is delivering information, but you know, trying to

560
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:47.440
get it out very broadly so the
world really pays attention. I think I've

561
00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:52.000
probably got the most energy on that. Yeah, and yeah, you're doing

562
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:57.320
a great job. One thing that
I love about the website too, is

563
00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:00.559
the videos that you have on the
front page. You know that the glimpses

564
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:04.719
into the movie with just some of
the beautiful imagery of some of the incredible

565
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:07.920
crop circles. Well, we have
our trailer on crop circlemovie dot com.

566
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:14.119
And what we did was we didn't
take scenes from the movie with dialogue.

567
00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:19.159
We took pretty much all visuals and
then took the dialogue and put a voice

568
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:22.840
over on those visuals, just so
that people could really be impressed by how

569
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:29.400
incredibly beautiful this phenomenon is that the
crop circles are. People are surprised.

570
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:32.239
You know, by and large,
people are not paying attention. They think

571
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:37.159
it's all over. They still remember
Doug and Dave from twenty years ago that

572
00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:39.320
said they made them all. Oh
yeah, that's over. Those two guys

573
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:44.039
made them all. Twenty years later, we still have a really you know,

574
00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:47.840
flourishing phenomenon and the people are you
know, not everyone, but a

575
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:53.239
lot of people are quite surprised.
So we're bringing them news. Yeah.

576
00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:57.239
One of the reasons I asked you
about the first time you visited a crop

577
00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:02.159
circle is because a lot of people
the first time walking into a circle and

578
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:08.719
experiencing it physically is very profound.
And even people say, you know,

579
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:14.599
they're not able to prepare themselves just
for the experienced. Was that true for

580
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:16.280
you? Oh, that is the
truth. You know, how much as

581
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:20.920
much as you see the pictures and
you see beautiful photography being inside one and

582
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:24.480
something else again, you can't believe
it. How could this be? You

583
00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:30.840
know, it's just so off the
wall and beyond the beyond, and it

584
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:37.840
just takes you into an altered state
kind of. The big photographer's site is

585
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:40.920
called temporary Temples. Yeah, that's
what it feels like. It feels like

586
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:47.559
you're in something very profound. And
because also they land near sacred sites all

587
00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:52.679
the time, like Stone Hinge,
there's lots of that in England. That

588
00:45:52.719 --> 00:46:00.480
whole landscape in southern England is full
of ancient sacred I say sacred, I

589
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:02.159
don't know, maybe that's not the
right word, but they have this sense

590
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:09.360
of antiquity and that they used to
do actually spiritual rituals in this particular area.

591
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:15.079
It was highly ritualized what they were
doing here. And so when you're

592
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:20.400
in these formations, you're near some
of some artifacts whatever, you're in this

593
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:24.599
thing that cannot be. It's gorgeous
countryside. It's just a beautiful experience.

594
00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:29.760
I think probably everybody who goes to
visit those circles finds that one of the

595
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:34.480
best things that they've ever done.
It's a wonderful experience. Now when you

596
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:37.559
get there and you see, did
you do some of the like sitting up

597
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:42.400
overnight to watch the fields to see
if you can spot something. Well,

598
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:45.519
I'm not rabbit about that. There
are those who are it gets cold at

599
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:49.719
night and it gets damp at night. And I did it once and then

600
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:52.639
sort of at two o'clock in the
morning, me and the few people the

601
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:54.320
little group, I said, you
know, we're cold and we're damp,

602
00:46:55.239 --> 00:47:00.960
and we left. But interestingly enough, there's lots of that because hilly ground,

603
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:02.920
and what people do is they get
on top of the hills so that

604
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:07.159
they can see what's going on below. Of course it's nighttime, but nonetheless,

605
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:10.760
if there were activity down there,
you'd see lights, or you'd see

606
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:15.239
well, you know whatever. I
mean, you'd probably get a sense that

607
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:20.840
something was going on. But strangely
enough, nobody has ever caught anybody in

608
00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:23.800
these things making them. I find
that actually rather peculiar, because there is

609
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:29.800
there are a lot of them that
are hoaxed. Now maybe the hoaxed ones

610
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:34.679
don't aren't the ones that are under
those observation points, but I don't know.

611
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:39.519
There's a lot of mystery about this
phenomenon in all different kinds of ways,

612
00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:44.880
and that's kind of nice. Actually, we're so objective in this world

613
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:49.039
and materialistic and now minded. It's
good to have mystery in our lives.

614
00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:52.119
But one of the mystery is what's
going on there? How come nobody's ever

615
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:55.400
gotten caught? And maybe there's less
hoaxing than we think there is, because

616
00:47:55.440 --> 00:48:00.719
we do think there's a fair amount
of it going on now are like the

617
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:04.239
terrorists of the crops of the world
to try to fool everybody. They take

618
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:08.119
you, you know, off your
you're investigating, you're measuring your you know,

619
00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:12.800
analyzing, and always like, oh
god, it's made by people.

620
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:16.280
Am I wasting my time for you? M anyway? It is part of

621
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:19.880
the whole mystery what's going on there? I don't know. If I do

622
00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:22.880
another movie, I'm gonna I'm gonna
find out what these hoaxers are up to.

623
00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:27.280
Why in the world do they would
they do this year after year,

624
00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:30.840
uh, night after night, so
to speak? Why why are they doing

625
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:35.360
this? They can't get recognition,
They get arrested if they knew they were

626
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:39.679
making them. They you know what
what artists does their artwork and doesn't want

627
00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:44.320
to be known for it? You
know, it's it's counterintuitive, so I

628
00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:49.039
would be very curious to know.
And there is of course some suspicion I'm

629
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:53.239
not you know, I don't want
to go doing some kind of conspiracy theory

630
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:59.360
kind of you know, uh,
you know, lays up that kind of

631
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:04.920
innergetic But it is very strange,
and you do wonder if, indeed,

632
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:08.559
and there is a little evidence that
we've been put off the track by governments

633
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:19.039
who don't really want us to be
disc or to be aware to know that

634
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:23.000
we are being visited. They are
protecting us from knowing we are being visited.

635
00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:27.960
And I don't know, maybe those
hoaxes are being paid by them.

636
00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:32.840
Doug and Dave were there was a
contract there. Yes, this seems to

637
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:37.400
be common knowledge now that Doug and
Dave were paid a large sum of money

638
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:43.239
when you look at it, Okay, these are the two farmers who in

639
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:52.639
nineteen ninety one were it became known
quote unquote that they made them all.

640
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:57.800
How did it become known that they
quote made them all? In a press

641
00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:01.920
release that went all over the world. A press release by two little farmers

642
00:50:01.960 --> 00:50:07.199
from the middle of nowhere got a
press release all the world. And of

643
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:10.880
course we actually do a number on
that in the movie where we show you

644
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:15.400
that where the press release seems to
have come from, which seems to have

645
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:20.639
in the Ministry of Defense, because
you know, it was really virtually impossible

646
00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:27.639
for that to have happened by their
hand, you know. So there's you

647
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:34.119
know, societies have a way,
always whatever, of protecting the status quo.

648
00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:38.800
There's too much vested interest in things
not changing all that much. And

649
00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:45.880
this if it were really ascertained that
these are being made by another species that

650
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:51.800
isn't us, it would change.
It would be a radical change for the

651
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:54.760
world. We would have to rethink
everything. If we really knew, not

652
00:50:54.800 --> 00:51:00.760
just science fiction, but if we
really knew we were not alone here what

653
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:06.280
there is other There is other intelligence, and it's engaging with us, it's

654
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:10.480
sending us signals. Oh my,
oh whoa, what's going on? The

655
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:15.679
whole world would be asking that question. And then you know, you just

656
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:19.559
extrapolate, you kind of think,
well, if we you know, if

657
00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:22.239
we're established, yes, yes,
yes, that's what's happening. We are

658
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:25.960
so arrogant, we're the top of
the chain. We can kill each other,

659
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:29.840
we can rape the earth. Well, what about if we're not the

660
00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:34.280
top of the chain. What about
if there's greater intelligence than us, it

661
00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:39.000
would humble us. That would be
very good for us, and it would

662
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:44.519
unite us in one conversation on earth
about what this otherness is. We have

663
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:49.039
nothing to compare ourselves to, We
have nothing to be in one conversation about,

664
00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:52.880
and that would be tremendously good for
us. And you know that would

665
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:57.440
just give rise to all kinds of
new thinking and new considerations. And we

666
00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:04.920
are so imploded in this now minded
scientific materialism that it would be wonderful for

667
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:08.000
us to have reason to open our
minds, you know, right to finally

668
00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:10.960
break out. You've got my soapbox. Now, No, that's great.

669
00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:14.119
I agree with you one hundred percent. You know, with all of this

670
00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:17.440
phenomena that we explore, I agree. Now, what was it that I

671
00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:24.800
convinced you that there was non human
creators of these crop circles? Well,

672
00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:30.280
you know, the bottom line being
convinced, although there's lots of ways,

673
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:37.519
the bottom line of being convinced is
the way we establish truth in our society,

674
00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:40.760
which is science gives us truth.
Well, they've done some very sophisticated

675
00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:49.920
scientific work experiments on the encircles and
what they've ascertained is that there are changes

676
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:53.480
to the plants, biological changes to
the plants, and chemical changes to the

677
00:52:53.559 --> 00:53:00.679
soil inside crop circles that cannot be
it is not to be found on earth.

678
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:06.960
So that's the most telling evidence.
And those things have been written up

679
00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:13.039
in scientific papers. They've been published
in peer review science journals. That's where

680
00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:17.000
we get our truths from. Why
the world is not paying any attention to

681
00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:22.280
it is you know another thing?
I mean if and the whole point really

682
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:29.840
of my being out there so ardently
is to get attention paid. All that

683
00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:34.440
the world has to do is examine
the evidence that's already in be open to

684
00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:37.440
looking at it, and it's taking
it seriously. Why not? Science is

685
00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:43.079
are God and everything would change.
So you know, the whole point of

686
00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:46.440
my movie. You know, this
movie that I've just made is not a

687
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:52.639
scientific movie. It's not. People
say, oh, some people say,

688
00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:53.599
well, where's all your proof?
I said, no, no, I

689
00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:57.320
didn't make this one for proof.
In fact, the other one has a

690
00:53:57.360 --> 00:54:00.360
lot more proof in it. But
I made this one to get you excited

691
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:05.079
and to see that you know,
there's such passion running on these things so

692
00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:08.840
that you pay attention to the evidence. So you know, that was my

693
00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:15.360
real That was the most convincing thing
that just you know, let me absolutely

694
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:19.639
know that something was going on.
But you know, there's thoughts of other

695
00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:23.320
ways that you can see the difference
between a host formation and non hosts,

696
00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:27.400
although the hoastes have gotten better at
it over the years, and you can't

697
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:31.360
always definitively tell, particularly when they've
been trampled in by tourists, which they

698
00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:36.840
do and then kind of your evidence
is smashed, you know, But there

699
00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:38.599
are a lot of other ways you
can tell. You know, early on,

700
00:54:40.239 --> 00:54:46.119
the hoaxers did not do good geometry, and whenever you saw a formation

701
00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:52.199
that was exquisite geometry, and they
are. We've learned that we have new

702
00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:58.000
geometric theorems in our literature taken from
the crop circum The head of the astronomy

703
00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:00.719
department at Boston University got very interested
in them in the early years, and

704
00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:06.519
that was work that he did.
Yeah, so early on you could go,

705
00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:08.360
oh, gorgeous, gorgeous, Yeah
that's for real, and then you

706
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:15.639
go, oh ugly bad geometry.
You know in my past muster as a

707
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:19.440
design until you start examining the geometry
and you see that they've just got it

708
00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:23.320
all wrong. Nothing fits together,
it didn't work that way. Oh those

709
00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:28.920
are hoapes, you know. But
it was the gorgeousness and the sophistications of

710
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:31.760
the geometry that you couldn't exactly say
that was proof. Science is more your

711
00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:37.599
proof. But it's so impressive the
geometry is. So we go into some

712
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:39.400
of the geometry in a way that
you can understand it. In fact,

713
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:43.719
some people have said, oh,
I finally understand geometry watching the movie.

714
00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:45.320
If we don't do a lot of
it, but we do enough of a

715
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:52.199
snippet so you get the geometric sophistication
of these things. And indeed, I

716
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:57.599
mean they are just spectacularly designed with
great, great intelligence. When you ask

717
00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:00.800
the geometers over there, and they
have very very bright geometers, when you

718
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:05.400
ask the geometers over there, could
you design something as good as the best

719
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:09.559
crop circles? And what they'll tell
you is, you know, if there

720
00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:15.119
are ideas that the grand circle makers
work with, they introduce the kind of

721
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:21.320
a concept and then they do riffs
on it. Like fractals got introduced in

722
00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:24.719
nineteen ninety six, and ever since
they have been designed based on the way

723
00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:30.840
they interpret fractals in a wheat field. And as the geometers over there will

724
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:37.159
tell you, if once they've introduced
a design idea, it's really clever how

725
00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:43.480
they interpret it. We could probably
design something comparable. But those ideas are

726
00:56:43.639 --> 00:56:51.000
so unique and so original how they're
translating a mathematical concept. It isn't just

727
00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:53.679
lines and whatever. There's a lot
more to it than that. And the

728
00:56:53.719 --> 00:57:00.679
geometers say, you know, we
are not that they are so extraordinarily original.

729
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:04.840
The concepts they come up with are
just so startling that no, we'd

730
00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:12.079
probably be hard pressed to do anything
equally fantastic. Yeah, you know,

731
00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:15.719
and mentioning the science and everything,
it is shocking that even to this day,

732
00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:22.440
when news pieces are written, which
happen on a yearly basis because there's

733
00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:25.840
so many crop circles on a yearly
basis, the science is almost always left

734
00:57:25.880 --> 00:57:30.079
out of the media reporting like ninety
percent of the time, which is kind

735
00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:35.920
of shocking because there really is some
hard science. Well indeed, but you

736
00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:42.880
know, your media likes salaciousness and
you know, controversy and conflict and whatever,

737
00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:46.639
and they immediately glom onto are they
real? Aren't they real? Well

738
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:52.079
wait a minute, how about how
about speaking about the implications if they were

739
00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:57.840
real, How about talking about this
incredible effect they could have on us,

740
00:57:57.920 --> 00:58:00.639
and how stupid it is that we
block our are our minds to it,

741
00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:05.079
that we're not interested in it,
because if it really did turn out to

742
00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:08.760
be the goods, how how incredible
that would be for it for other reasons

743
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:14.880
as well, because if you can
picture they are, they are visiting us,

744
00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:19.000
We're not visiting them. Whoever they
are, they have a capacity to

745
00:58:19.039 --> 00:58:22.639
do something we can't do. Well, if they can do that, what

746
00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:24.719
else could they do? And if
we're not open to it and we're not

747
00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:29.000
receptive to it, how can we
get their gifts? How can we learn

748
00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:34.239
what they understand about science that we
don't understand? And what problems could they

749
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:37.519
help us with? Could they help
us with global warming? Could they help

750
00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:42.039
us with alternative energy? You know, all these things that they are,

751
00:58:42.440 --> 00:58:46.440
they seem to be have a brilliant
set or or you would presume they would

752
00:58:46.519 --> 00:58:50.519
just from the fact that they can
get here. You know, these vast

753
00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:53.920
when you look at space and it's
impossible they can't get here, except what

754
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:58.519
if they are, and what and
then what else could they do for us?

755
00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:04.960
So just the possibility of that should
really inspire us to be curious and

756
00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:08.960
to open ourselves to this instead of
this kind of nastiness of oh yeah,

757
00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:13.119
well people can do that and people
can do the other. And you know

758
00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:17.880
the reporting that they do in the
the cable channels, most of them.

759
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:22.599
Every few years, they'll go over
and they'll make a new chickdook program that

760
00:59:22.599 --> 00:59:25.280
they'll rerun for a few years,
and then they go over and make another

761
00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:30.239
one. They are incredibly irresponsible.
It's so frustrating to see. And a

762
00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:34.440
lot of the researchers get interviewed and
they think, oh, boy, did

763
00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:37.119
I tell them good things? This
program is going to be so good,

764
00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:39.599
and then they think what they cherry
picked out of what was said and they

765
00:59:39.719 --> 00:59:45.920
just pick sentences out and distort the
meanings, and I mean it's really disgusting.

766
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:49.400
Actually, yeah, it's very immoral
what they do most of the time

767
00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:52.719
terrible because they give you the idea
that, yeah, oh you told us

768
00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:54.760
some great stuff. This is going
to be wonderful and eye opening for people,

769
00:59:55.039 --> 01:00:00.599
and then they switch it around so
it's not effective. And they all

770
01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:02.840
do it, you know, every
single one of those programs as that kind

771
01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:07.039
of slant to it, which is
why it's good to watch, you know,

772
01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:12.639
movies that are not made by the
television, you know, cable stations.

773
01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:15.800
So in other words, watch my
movies. Right. I think another

774
01:00:16.159 --> 01:00:22.880
uh reason I think people have a
difficult time tackling this phenomenon, especially in

775
01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:28.159
particular, is this one is so
enigmatic. You kind of touched on that

776
01:00:28.199 --> 01:00:32.159
before and with the geometry. Uh, there are so many theories and so

777
01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:37.320
many theories that really seem to fit, but it's so strange and enigmatic and

778
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:40.360
hard to get your to get a
grasp on. Well, you know,

779
01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:45.599
if you're not really paying attention to
the evidence, the mind would say,

780
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:49.079
oh, come on, people are
just going out stomping those things down.

781
01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:52.159
Come, don't be ridiculous. But
if you are paying attention to the evidence,

782
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:57.400
it's harder to believe that this could
be a perpetration by people than that

783
01:00:57.480 --> 01:01:01.360
it's not. And what what can
we say except that's the way it is.

784
01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:06.360
That is the truth. Sure,
it's hard to believe if you don't

785
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:08.320
know anything. If you look at
them and say, well, yeah,

786
01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:13.280
how could oh where would they come
from? How could they get here?

787
01:01:13.400 --> 01:01:15.920
I mean, who knows, you
know, how would they do that?

788
01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:19.199
Well? I don't know. Except
that when you look at the evidence,

789
01:01:19.239 --> 01:01:24.559
you get to see that it is
more unbelievable that it is being made by

790
01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:30.280
people than that it's not. And
you know, here's another way that the

791
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:37.239
media misses the boat by not being
honest and not really being curious if indeed

792
01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:40.880
as they believe, or they at
least tell us, uh, this is

793
01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:46.119
all done by people. That's a
fabulous story. How did people do this?

794
01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:52.119
All over the world? Forty countries, years and years nobody ever caught?

795
01:01:52.519 --> 01:01:58.400
How do four hours of darkness?
In England? They are closer to

796
01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:01.159
the North Pole than I am in
Los Angeles, and it gets, you

797
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:05.199
know, light, it stays like
later, it gets light earlier. The

798
01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:09.559
height of summer is well, only
four hours of darkness? How did people

799
01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:13.920
do this? I mean, one
of the formations, the biggest one ever

800
01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:19.239
is the size of two football fields. It has four hundred and nine separate

801
01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:22.119
it's all made a circles, although
they aren't all made of circles. With

802
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:25.480
that one is how do they make
four hundred and nine circles in four hours?

803
01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:31.320
That stretch picture for your audience the
size of two football fields. You

804
01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:37.960
know, so it would be such
an incredible story if what their speculation is

805
01:02:38.119 --> 01:02:42.960
or their cynicism is turned out to
be true. Yeah, it's all made

806
01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:46.119
by people. Oh Mike, what
a story if they tell it, if

807
01:02:46.119 --> 01:02:52.719
they really investigate and that's what they
discovered, not bring us this phony evidence

808
01:02:52.920 --> 01:02:58.960
and you know cherry picked reports and
what have you that. So so as

809
01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:02.159
I say things, I keep trying
to tell the media is for goodness sakes,

810
01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:07.920
pay real attention, because you'd have
an incredible story if this did turn

811
01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:09.800
out to be all made by people. But tell, you know, really

812
01:03:09.880 --> 01:03:13.960
examine it, and then of course
I believe what they find out is that

813
01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:16.119
it's not made by people. Right, So you know I got my motives

814
01:03:16.119 --> 01:03:20.400
here. Well, in the History
Channel, I know they had a show

815
01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:24.920
where they attempted they had some MIT
students attempt to do a circle overnight that

816
01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:30.639
demonstrated all of the different anomalies yes
that are found, and they failed a

817
01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:35.840
lot. They completely failed. I
mean they tried to say that they did

818
01:03:35.840 --> 01:03:37.280
it, but they didn't. They
did it, It took to night.

819
01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:43.199
It was a small circle. They
didn't do it in one night. Well,

820
01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:46.480
you're absolutely right. They failed,
and they claimed they succeeded. Nancy

821
01:03:46.559 --> 01:03:51.280
Talbot's on the science site and if
anybody wants to look up those stories,

822
01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:54.480
they're all the science reports. They're
all on the same side. BLT Research

823
01:03:54.599 --> 01:03:59.960
dot com, Big and Less Tomato
Research dot Com, and T is Talbert

824
01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:02.480
for Nancy, and Nancy gave them
a set of protocols. They said,

825
01:04:02.519 --> 01:04:06.400
they want to do this TV show
and Nancy said, Okay, if you

826
01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:12.199
were going to replicate a genuine formation, these are the characteristics you would have

827
01:04:12.280 --> 01:04:15.159
to produce, and this is the
parameters you would have to abide by.

828
01:04:15.679 --> 01:04:18.519
And they did none of that.
And you know, we could go point

829
01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:24.199
by point and take us the rest
of the show, but they ended up

830
01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:27.320
with something, you know, but
it wasn't sitting the parameters. And they

831
01:04:27.320 --> 01:04:29.760
said, oh look we did it. And you know a lot of people

832
01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:32.079
have seen that show. And you
know, I'm the coropsicle lady. So

833
01:04:32.119 --> 01:04:35.320
they talked to me. Oh no, we saw those MIT students they made

834
01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:39.960
well they made they did it.
Oh no, they didn't do it.

835
01:04:40.760 --> 01:04:45.079
Yeah, watch the details of the
show. Yeah really really, So let's

836
01:04:45.119 --> 01:04:49.159
get into some of these individuals that
you worked with and the people who were

837
01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:56.159
touched in a profound way and others
I know who have kind of had this

838
01:04:56.239 --> 01:04:59.679
compulsion to make this a big part
of their life. Even if we could

839
01:04:59.679 --> 01:05:03.880
talk about some of these people,
well, you've got your USC professor of

840
01:05:04.039 --> 01:05:13.039
architecture who actually was invited to be
the head design consultants for Charles Eames,

841
01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:16.079
if people know who he was,
who is an incredible designer of product and

842
01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:24.159
the Eames chairs several thousand dollars to
buy one. So he's a very talented

843
01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:29.639
guy. He was a designer and
an architecture professor at USC, and there

844
01:05:29.719 --> 01:05:32.679
he is. He's one of the
granddads of this phenomenon. He's one of

845
01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:38.519
the great experts. And in fact, if anybody wants to read the best

846
01:05:38.599 --> 01:05:43.039
book, it's the newest one,
and it's his book. He finally years

847
01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:45.840
and years of writing the book.
Right when you're going to get the book,

848
01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:49.760
Michael Michael Blickmann, and the book
is Crop Circles the Bones of God.

849
01:05:50.199 --> 01:05:53.559
And in fact, if you get
on my blog, you can link

850
01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:57.440
through to it. My blog is
the conversation dot org, where I write

851
01:05:57.440 --> 01:06:00.239
a lot about the circles, and
you will see a link on there that

852
01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:03.400
you can just go by Crop Circles
the Bones of God. But it is

853
01:06:03.679 --> 01:06:06.679
it's a very unique book. It's
different from all the others, which are

854
01:06:06.800 --> 01:06:12.599
histories of the circles or picture books
about the circles. This one is Michael

855
01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:18.320
in entering the phenomenon and all the
discoveries he made, and step by step

856
01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:24.079
of what convinced him and what got
him. And he's brilliant, you know,

857
01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:28.400
and he really does. He is
able to analyze them and see what

858
01:06:28.519 --> 01:06:30.719
the elements of them are and what
the genius of them is, and he'll

859
01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:34.079
take you right into that. It's
the only book like that, and I

860
01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:39.599
highly recommend that it's very very readable
book, Crop Circles, the Bones of

861
01:06:39.679 --> 01:06:44.039
God. So he's, you know, somebody that I would point to.

862
01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:48.920
Now, who else would we talk
about. There's Nick Callistrom, who's also

863
01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:54.880
in my movie. Not Michael's in
my movie as well. Nick Collistrom was

864
01:06:55.119 --> 01:07:00.679
a school mass teacher and he wrote
a book, Oh I can remember the

865
01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:02.679
name, I have the picture of
it in my in my movie. But

866
01:07:02.760 --> 01:07:09.880
what he went on to do,
he went on to create an online course

867
01:07:10.400 --> 01:07:15.719
based on this book for school students, you know, for students about the

868
01:07:16.280 --> 01:07:21.239
geometry, all done from crop circles. And it's actually you wouldn't just have

869
01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:28.320
to be a kid geometry student.
You if you got on this this website,

870
01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:30.360
or I need to have numbers,
I'm sitting in my computer. Maybe

871
01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:34.199
I can bring it up here while
we're talking. But if you got on

872
01:07:34.239 --> 01:07:40.639
this website, you'd be fascinated just
reading. Uh, it isn't just all

873
01:07:40.760 --> 01:07:47.639
numbers or lines and circles. It's
explanations of various mathematical principles that the various

874
01:07:47.679 --> 01:07:54.159
circles are expressing. You would never
know this except if you were you know,

875
01:07:54.280 --> 01:07:59.440
somebody expert told you that you see
are really pretty patterns, But you

876
01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:08.679
would have no way to really be
privy to the just loveliness of the elements

877
01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:11.719
that go into making this thing.
Okay, I'm on his website now.

878
01:08:13.039 --> 01:08:20.680
Hypermaths is the name of his book, and it's hypermaths h y p e

879
01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:25.840
r maths plural dot org. That
isn't the name of the book actually,

880
01:08:25.880 --> 01:08:30.079
but this is the website. Oh, crop circles the hidden form. That's

881
01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:31.840
the name of the book. But
if you wanted to get on the website

882
01:08:31.960 --> 01:08:38.520
to see this math course, it's
hypermasss dot org slash crop circles, and

883
01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:42.880
it just charms you and regales you, and I hope it's still up because

884
01:08:42.920 --> 01:08:45.000
actually the webmaster is no longer with
us. Yes, it's there. I

885
01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:51.840
just clicked on it hypermaths dot org
and you just go, oh wow,

886
01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:59.920
look at those incredibly delicious kind of
ideas that are being expressed in these crop

887
01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:04.199
circles. Names of things you've never
heard of, mathematical ideas you've never heard

888
01:09:04.239 --> 01:09:11.880
of, and it's all beautifully graphically
illustrated on this on this particular site.

889
01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:15.319
And I've been trying. He's had
this ub for a few years, and

890
01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:20.359
I've been trying since that time to
get some schools interested in. Whenever I

891
01:09:20.399 --> 01:09:25.039
come across a teacher, I you
know, I'd send them there and whatever.

892
01:09:26.319 --> 01:09:30.000
Most of the crop circle people are
not very good commercial salespeople. They

893
01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:33.760
don't sell themselves very well. And
but I've never been able to get,

894
01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:40.239
you know, anybody to take it
on. But if kids learned maps through

895
01:09:40.720 --> 01:09:45.920
the the these crop circles, oh, they they would be learning geometry through

896
01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:50.560
them. They would so enjoy the
subject, you know, it would bring

897
01:09:50.600 --> 01:09:56.760
it alive in a whole new way
that you know, studying it academically just

898
01:09:57.039 --> 01:10:00.600
you know that doesn't do for you. And he's just not a beautiful,

899
01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:03.880
beautiful I'm on the site now once
again. I'm just in love with with

900
01:10:03.960 --> 01:10:06.279
all this stuff that he's done.
And as I say, you don't have

901
01:10:06.359 --> 01:10:11.359
to be interested in learning geometry.
You can just see from the illustrations here

902
01:10:11.720 --> 01:10:15.439
just how spectacularly geometric ideas are that
are being played with. Yeah, in

903
01:10:15.479 --> 01:10:18.039
the geometry, and I just took
a look at his site too, and

904
01:10:18.079 --> 01:10:24.600
some of what he incorporates. There's
a lot of geometry, the sacred geometry,

905
01:10:25.239 --> 01:10:31.520
which is something that is mirrored and
used in architecture that we've seen throughout

906
01:10:31.600 --> 01:10:36.840
history. And it's interesting that that
really you don't see that in school,

907
01:10:38.279 --> 01:10:43.239
which would be I think an interesting
way to teach geometry. Well, sacred

908
01:10:43.279 --> 01:10:47.840
geometry is the geometry of the universe. Everything in the universe is put together

909
01:10:47.920 --> 01:10:53.199
along these lines. I guess that's
why they call it sacred. Plants grow

910
01:10:53.279 --> 01:10:57.640
if you reduce prants to the mathematical
order of how leaves come out, and

911
01:10:57.760 --> 01:11:00.079
you know the whole development of a
plant. If you take the human body

912
01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:04.319
and you relate the body parts mathematically, the hand to the arm, the

913
01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:09.479
you know, all the body parts, they're all sacred geometry. Everything in

914
01:11:09.520 --> 01:11:13.840
the universe is sacred geometry, which
is why when you turn to the crop

915
01:11:13.880 --> 01:11:16.520
circles, and they're not all geometrics, but the ones that are are made

916
01:11:16.920 --> 01:11:21.720
along the lines of sacred geometry.
That's the elements that designs them or the

917
01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:27.119
design pattern to them. And that's
probably why you think they're so beautiful,

918
01:11:27.119 --> 01:11:30.720
why they are so beautiful. It's
very beautiful. The universe is a beautiful,

919
01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:34.279
beautiful place. And so even though
you don't know that you're looking at

920
01:11:34.319 --> 01:11:38.640
sacred geometry, you're just looking at
these patterns, going, whoa, that

921
01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:43.159
is beautiful. It's because of their
designs along the lines of sacred geometry.

922
01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:50.840
Cathedrals are designed that way, chart
and the acropolis I got by names right

923
01:11:50.920 --> 01:11:57.560
whatever. There you know, a
lot of very beautiful architecture and beautiful design

924
01:11:57.920 --> 01:12:01.600
is a function of this sacred geometric
principles that they are being designed with,

925
01:12:01.680 --> 01:12:05.039
which is the geometry of the universe
is not all beautiful. I mean,

926
01:12:05.039 --> 01:12:11.239
it's just so beautiful. The human
body, even the human body even right,

927
01:12:11.600 --> 01:12:14.800
yeah, right, that's a fascinating
study. Yeah, yeah, it

928
01:12:14.840 --> 01:12:18.079
is incredible, And I think that's
what's that's another interesting facet of the crop

929
01:12:18.119 --> 01:12:25.199
circles. Is that it incorporates that
so much, which, like you said,

930
01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:29.520
it's it's a way to teach people
and get people interested in geometry.

931
01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:32.199
I think, you know, for
me math and science, I kind of

932
01:12:32.279 --> 01:12:34.880
I was into it. I was
okay at it, I was good at

933
01:12:34.920 --> 01:12:39.680
it, but I mean, I
until you get the practical uses. Once

934
01:12:39.720 --> 01:12:43.159
I got to physics where you could
do you know, see the practical uses,

935
01:12:43.520 --> 01:12:46.239
Oh, this is why I'm learning
this stuff. That's when it gets

936
01:12:46.319 --> 01:12:49.760
really exciting and when you really want
to use it. I think, well,

937
01:12:49.800 --> 01:12:53.920
I love geometry personally. I was
an excellent geometry student. I got

938
01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:56.560
one hundred on everything. Oh,
I got one hundred in all my math

939
01:12:56.600 --> 01:13:00.399
because there were puzzles you could solve. But geometry was particularly not because it

940
01:13:00.439 --> 01:13:03.880
wasn't just numbers. It was puzzled
and I always found that very fascinating,

941
01:13:03.960 --> 01:13:08.520
even you know, not knowing crop
circles when I was a kid. Uh

942
01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:13.920
but you know that was me.
But but anybody would love learning their geometry

943
01:13:13.960 --> 01:13:17.399
this way. Now you've talked a
lot about or you earlier were talking about

944
01:13:17.399 --> 01:13:25.359
the possible extraterrestrial origins of the crop
circles that are are not man made U.

945
01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:28.600
I know you ran across a lot
of different theories. What were some

946
01:13:28.640 --> 01:13:31.279
of the other major theories? Uh? But you know, you know,

947
01:13:31.399 --> 01:13:39.000
people will come up with their their
their opinions, and sometimes very strong opinion.

948
01:13:39.880 --> 01:13:45.960
It's nature, okay. Uh,
it's the future coming back to us,

949
01:13:45.079 --> 01:13:50.479
it's from inside the earth, whatever, and and and very complex theories.

950
01:13:50.520 --> 01:13:56.880
I actually have a little folder for
the very strange, very complex.

951
01:13:56.880 --> 01:14:00.199
People write whole books about the theories
which I've I mean, it's quite astonishing

952
01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:04.119
the way people take off on this
and think they've solved it in some way.

953
01:14:04.359 --> 01:14:08.399
But I'll just tell you one reflection
I have about all of that.

954
01:14:08.560 --> 01:14:12.960
First of all, we have no
idea where this is coming from. We've

955
01:14:13.000 --> 01:14:16.680
never identified anything in the universe besides
ourselves that can function in a way that

956
01:14:16.760 --> 01:14:25.560
could deliver these things. It's all
science fiction, so we're absolutely speculating when

957
01:14:25.600 --> 01:14:30.319
we imagine where they could come from. But even beyond that, I have

958
01:14:30.439 --> 01:14:34.720
something else to say, which is
that I think we can say relatively definitively.

959
01:14:34.760 --> 01:14:40.479
I hate to be definitive about anything
of something of this magnitude of awesomeness,

960
01:14:40.960 --> 01:14:45.520
but I think we could relatively definitively
say that whatever is delivering this,

961
01:14:46.479 --> 01:14:49.279
like when people say nature, I
say, well, how would nature do

962
01:14:49.399 --> 01:14:56.520
that? In fact, it has
all the characteristics of being delivered by something

963
01:14:57.079 --> 01:15:02.760
that is embodied, like we are
embodied and somewhere somehow in another dimension,

964
01:15:03.560 --> 01:15:10.960
extraterrestrial, wherever the future. It's
embodied because look at what it does.

965
01:15:11.159 --> 01:15:15.640
It carefully designs, It makes selections, that makes choices. These aren't just

966
01:15:15.840 --> 01:15:21.319
natural patterns. They're being very carefully
honed. And then mind is applied to

967
01:15:21.359 --> 01:15:26.359
where are they delivered? As I
say, they land near sacred sites.

968
01:15:26.399 --> 01:15:30.920
In America, they are frequently near
Indian burial grounds, ancient things that are

969
01:15:31.239 --> 01:15:35.920
we have a sense of, you
know, some kind of I don't know,

970
01:15:36.000 --> 01:15:39.199
sacred. I have to come up
with a better word than that.

971
01:15:39.239 --> 01:15:45.439
But whatever it is ancient and to
be revered and respected and cherished and maintained

972
01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:50.239
and whatever like Stonehenge and all of
those kind of things over there. So

973
01:15:50.279 --> 01:15:55.560
they very carefully are placed. They're
not only near those things. But if

974
01:15:55.600 --> 01:15:58.560
you can picture in England, which
is the focal point of the phenomenon,

975
01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:03.359
half of the formations approximately each year
come in England, and then forty other

976
01:16:03.399 --> 01:16:08.640
countries get a smattering of the rest
of them. England is family farms.

977
01:16:08.960 --> 01:16:13.840
It's not you know, commercial farming
with these vast farms. They're small farms,

978
01:16:14.319 --> 01:16:19.800
and the circles virtually never land overlapping, half in one farmer's field and

979
01:16:19.840 --> 01:16:24.600
half in another. They're in a
canvas. The little farms are like canvases

980
01:16:24.920 --> 01:16:30.760
and the circles land inside them.
Well, that's being orchestrated. There's thought

981
01:16:30.840 --> 01:16:33.840
given to that. It's not accidental. And what thinks, Well, something

982
01:16:33.880 --> 01:16:38.720
in a body thinks, So you
know, there seems to me to be

983
01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:43.000
the kind of evidence that indicates,
wherever they're coming from, we have another

984
01:16:43.199 --> 01:16:47.439
species of creature, you know,
that actually is in bodies. Isn't that

985
01:16:47.479 --> 01:16:49.960
a good It's fun kind of a
fun idea, of course. I mean

986
01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:56.039
each keys we've pictured in bodies forever. But you know, I rather like

987
01:16:56.159 --> 01:17:01.000
that some other thinking species that can
maneuver and engage us and get here and

988
01:17:01.079 --> 01:17:05.840
deliver and design and have thought,
you know, with a lot of what

989
01:17:05.880 --> 01:17:10.800
they're delivering to us is stuff we
recognize, almost like they're saying, look,

990
01:17:10.880 --> 01:17:15.439
look, we see you. And
they give us patterns we recognize,

991
01:17:15.439 --> 01:17:20.439
They give us sacred symbols. We
recognize. My movie has a solar system

992
01:17:20.840 --> 01:17:25.600
that has the pattern of the planets
that will be here in twenty twelve.

993
01:17:25.600 --> 01:17:30.479
That date, we're looking toward somebody, somebody, some creature, some mind

994
01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:35.199
decided that you know, oh look, we'll send them this. I wonder

995
01:17:35.239 --> 01:17:39.000
if the creatures out there are scratching, as I say in the movie,

996
01:17:39.000 --> 01:17:42.359
whatever passes for their heads, going
why don't they get it? Don't they

997
01:17:42.399 --> 01:17:45.880
get it? We keep delivering all
this intelligence to them. How come they

998
01:17:45.880 --> 01:17:50.359
don't see that? You know,
they are receiving messages from us, So

999
01:17:50.920 --> 01:17:55.840
at least they haven't given up on
us, and they keep trying. Well

1000
01:17:55.960 --> 01:17:59.680
isn't that a good thing? Really? Really? And they do keep running

1001
01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:02.039
rings around us, so this big
I mean, they just deliver these you

1002
01:18:02.039 --> 01:18:08.840
know, every ever they keep topping
themselves with new different kinds of ideas that

1003
01:18:08.880 --> 01:18:13.039
they keep designing around and like,
you know, each summer we go,

1004
01:18:13.199 --> 01:18:16.039
oh wow, look at that.
And then of course, you know,

1005
01:18:16.119 --> 01:18:18.479
for your listeners, I don't know
you have. I think you have probably

1006
01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:25.720
a sophisticated audience of sophisticated people.
But in case anybody doesn't know, the

1007
01:18:25.760 --> 01:18:30.000
season is about to start. You
know, April is the month when a

1008
01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:34.359
few might come in March, they've
never come in March, but April sometimes

1009
01:18:34.359 --> 01:18:39.159
a few, and then May a
few more, and then June's they really

1010
01:18:39.199 --> 01:18:42.640
start to be robust. But when
they do come in, everybody, if

1011
01:18:42.640 --> 01:18:45.399
they don't know, get on crop
circle connector dot com because each one that

1012
01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:49.079
comes in gets a page and you'll
see the pictures that people take. Everybody

1013
01:18:49.079 --> 01:18:54.680
knows to send their stuff to crop
Circle connector dot com, and then people

1014
01:18:54.720 --> 01:18:59.399
write their analyzes of them, and
then they have these terrible chats about them

1015
01:18:59.439 --> 01:19:03.680
with a whole try to shoot down
the researchers and insult them and say nasty

1016
01:19:03.720 --> 01:19:06.159
things about them. You don't want
to get on those chats too much.

1017
01:19:08.239 --> 01:19:11.600
But the pictures and the stories that
get printed on these pages or are quite

1018
01:19:11.600 --> 01:19:15.760
wonderful. I mean, you'll see
the breadth of the intelligence that's encoded in

1019
01:19:15.800 --> 01:19:18.239
these things. They're not just pretty
pictures. Even though they are pretty pictures.

1020
01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:24.760
There's a lot of information that's being
carried in them, and individually information.

1021
01:19:24.840 --> 01:19:27.800
People sometimes ask what's the big message. I don't think there's a big

1022
01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:30.600
message. I think we're just being
given over and over again the evidence that

1023
01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:38.479
intelligence is contacting us, right,
and that that's why people get this idea

1024
01:19:38.560 --> 01:19:44.399
of messages like you're talking about,
Well, they definitely are telling us things

1025
01:19:44.439 --> 01:19:48.039
in these individual circles. Things we
recognize, things we analyze and go,

1026
01:19:48.159 --> 01:19:51.239
oh that's for this, and that's
for that, and oh look that's the

1027
01:19:51.640 --> 01:19:56.359
echo of something we sent out the
twenty five years ago. Look they sent

1028
01:19:56.479 --> 01:20:00.279
it back to us of you know, very smart people are paying atten and

1029
01:20:00.640 --> 01:20:03.520
from all different disciplines. So whereas
you know, you or I wouldn't know

1030
01:20:03.640 --> 01:20:09.239
about geology or whatever, we wouldn't
know about other people do, and they

1031
01:20:09.840 --> 01:20:14.920
pick out the you know, the
encoded information that's the intelligence of their field,

1032
01:20:15.039 --> 01:20:17.760
and then they slap it all on
cropsort ofconnector dot com. So you're,

1033
01:20:17.920 --> 01:20:21.640
oh, wow, look at all
that stuff that's in there right now.

1034
01:20:21.800 --> 01:20:26.880
One of the idea series that floats
around, and I was wondering,

1035
01:20:26.880 --> 01:20:30.399
if you have a sentive if it's
taken very seriously in England where this mostly

1036
01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:38.560
happens, is of satellite creating these
some sort of top secret military wepping.

1037
01:20:39.479 --> 01:20:43.279
Well, that's an interesting idea that
people float around. I actually did a

1038
01:20:43.279 --> 01:20:49.000
blog post about it because that would
not be possible. And there are parameters

1039
01:20:49.079 --> 01:20:54.359
of how those satellites work, how
the Earth is spinning, how the how

1040
01:20:54.479 --> 01:20:59.479
visibility has to be there in order
to do this. And so if you

1041
01:20:59.560 --> 01:21:03.600
got on conversation dot org and I
wonder what you would have to type into

1042
01:21:03.600 --> 01:21:09.399
the search, maybe satellite, maybe
the word satellite. I should get on

1043
01:21:09.439 --> 01:21:15.279
there myself and see and and see
how you would bring up this particular piece

1044
01:21:15.359 --> 01:21:19.199
that speaks to the fact that that
cannot be. So I'm waiting for my

1045
01:21:19.359 --> 01:21:24.199
blog. Let's see. Okay,
let's see if I type in satellite baseball,

1046
01:21:24.239 --> 01:21:30.680
satellite st I'm gonna beat you two
EL one L. I think Nope,

1047
01:21:30.680 --> 01:21:32.319
that didn't work. But that's okay, well military, maybe let's see

1048
01:21:32.359 --> 01:21:36.079
if we get it from that.
But yeah, I know that's that in

1049
01:21:36.279 --> 01:21:41.960
England? Do people really bat that
idea around it? And do they take

1050
01:21:42.000 --> 01:21:45.359
it serious? Reason? Here it
is can satellites make crop circles? If

1051
01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:48.199
you scroll down to the third thing
that appears, if you put satellite in

1052
01:21:48.279 --> 01:21:53.239
the search, you'll get some of
the and that that's just a piece of

1053
01:21:53.399 --> 01:21:59.800
the feedback about why satellites can't make
crop circles? Okay, gotcha? Great?

1054
01:21:59.840 --> 01:22:05.239
Now at deconversation dot org, right. A lot of fascinating stuff on

1055
01:22:05.279 --> 01:22:13.239
there. There's a archive of I
write about consciousness and spirituality and what have

1056
01:22:13.319 --> 01:22:15.039
you. But if you go on
the right, and first of all,

1057
01:22:15.079 --> 01:22:18.800
you can go back through page by
page. But if you want all the

1058
01:22:18.840 --> 01:22:24.399
crop circle posts on the right there
it says previous posts and the top thing

1059
01:22:24.439 --> 01:22:27.159
is crop circles. Can see that. I've had one hundred and thirty different

1060
01:22:27.159 --> 01:22:31.239
pieces I've posted about crop circles here, so if you want them all at

1061
01:22:31.239 --> 01:22:35.880
once, but I post very interesting
other things as well, because I'm interested

1062
01:22:35.920 --> 01:22:39.920
in the crop circles because they can
change consciousness. So I got things on

1063
01:22:40.399 --> 01:22:43.399
the blog that, you know,
don't say crop circles at all, but

1064
01:22:43.479 --> 01:22:47.800
talk about consciousness and how we can
what what the what what it is,

1065
01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:54.159
and what the bigger picture is that
we're missing, and how we can aside

1066
01:22:54.199 --> 01:23:00.279
from having the crop circles, jar
us into a greater awareness. In a

1067
01:23:00.319 --> 01:23:04.640
way, the greater awareness the crop
cirvice with jaris into is it would change

1068
01:23:04.680 --> 01:23:10.840
our worldview who are we collectively?
But consciousness is also a matter of individual

1069
01:23:11.199 --> 01:23:15.800
awakening and awareness and expansion, and
I write a lot I put on a

1070
01:23:15.800 --> 01:23:20.359
lot of pieces about that as well. Now, you mentioned twenty twelve earlier,

1071
01:23:20.920 --> 01:23:24.880
and do you feel some people feel
that, you know, that's a

1072
01:23:25.439 --> 01:23:31.520
mark for a large shifting consciousness or
possibly awareness. Do you feel that way,

1073
01:23:31.640 --> 01:23:35.479
You're yeah, you will hear your
in personal opinion, nobody knows what's

1074
01:23:35.520 --> 01:23:39.560
going to happen. If you just
ask me my personal opinion, what I

1075
01:23:39.560 --> 01:23:42.720
would say is, I don't believe
there's any credence at all to the fact

1076
01:23:42.760 --> 01:23:45.399
that a date is out there and
something's going to happen. But what I

1077
01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:48.680
do think is because we're all interested
in that, and there is so much

1078
01:23:48.720 --> 01:23:53.239
interest in it, and there is
so much it gets us thinking, and

1079
01:23:53.319 --> 01:23:57.640
it gets us speculating, and it
gets us talking about what the changes could

1080
01:23:57.640 --> 01:24:00.279
be, and maybe they're positive changes, and what kind of positive changes do

1081
01:24:00.359 --> 01:24:05.239
we need? And I think all
that focus actually produces something very valuable.

1082
01:24:05.920 --> 01:24:11.279
So I'm very glad that you know
we have twenty twelve there. It's like

1083
01:24:11.319 --> 01:24:16.359
the harmonic convergence in eighty six,
I think, where again I just didn't

1084
01:24:16.399 --> 01:24:21.960
believe there was anything to the reality
of the fact that something was going to

1085
01:24:23.039 --> 01:24:26.720
happen on a particular date to the
universe, but the fact that we were

1086
01:24:26.760 --> 01:24:30.039
all focused on it, and then
we were all talking about it and you

1087
01:24:30.039 --> 01:24:32.960
know, comparing notes and about what
we think about life and whatever. I

1088
01:24:33.000 --> 01:24:38.000
thought all that was tremendously valuable,
and in a way it did produce results.

1089
01:24:38.079 --> 01:24:41.239
You know, it did get us
together into collective thinking. And I

1090
01:24:41.279 --> 01:24:46.000
can see where this is producing very
mindful results in our mindfulness and our thoughtfulness,

1091
01:24:46.319 --> 01:24:50.079
and I think this is very good. That's an interesting perspective because I

1092
01:24:50.079 --> 01:24:57.880
can see that how the harmonic convergence
convergence did get people speaking and speculating and

1093
01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:02.640
new ideas to thinking together, thinking
together, which is what we really need

1094
01:25:02.720 --> 01:25:05.920
to do. We all need to
think together and not just think about our

1095
01:25:05.960 --> 01:25:12.000
own greed or you know, personal
aggrandizement and who gets the most money and

1096
01:25:12.079 --> 01:25:15.199
whatever. No, no, no, we need to think about the you

1097
01:25:15.239 --> 01:25:17.720
know, quality of life and what
are we all doing here? And you

1098
01:25:17.760 --> 01:25:20.640
know, it certainly isn't about whoever
makes the most money. I mean,

1099
01:25:20.680 --> 01:25:24.199
that doesn't turn out to be the
goods, even though it's you know,

1100
01:25:24.319 --> 01:25:27.359
lovely, but it's not to be
all end all. You know. We

1101
01:25:27.520 --> 01:25:32.359
we've really distorted ourselves, right and
unfortunately, yeah, especially with how commercial

1102
01:25:32.680 --> 01:25:40.079
things are these days and our country
becomes more and more about money. But

1103
01:25:40.199 --> 01:25:43.479
although I think it gets lost and
maybe you feel this way. I mean,

1104
01:25:43.560 --> 01:25:48.239
for instance, you have a movie
that, like you said, offers

1105
01:25:48.279 --> 01:25:54.520
a lot of information that is not
in the mainstream, and there are a

1106
01:25:54.560 --> 01:25:58.880
lot of people interested in your movie
and in all of these subjects that aren't

1107
01:25:58.880 --> 01:26:03.560
in the mainstream, and it's kind
I like the silent masses that are underneath

1108
01:26:03.680 --> 01:26:09.479
at all. Well, I've certainly
made I did not make this movie for

1109
01:26:09.600 --> 01:26:12.880
us. I made this movie to
get out to those people that you know

1110
01:26:13.439 --> 01:26:18.880
are are not paying attention to these
bigger issues, and in fact, we're

1111
01:26:18.920 --> 01:26:25.960
just starting to move out that way. I started out with a marketing campaign

1112
01:26:26.199 --> 01:26:29.560
to the second largest niche on the
net, which is us. When I

1113
01:26:29.560 --> 01:26:34.039
say us, the UFO niche sex
being the first largest niche. But because

1114
01:26:34.199 --> 01:26:38.800
it was such a vast audience out
there, and because I could first of

1115
01:26:38.840 --> 01:26:43.640
all sell the movie and keep retail
profit, so then I had money to

1116
01:26:43.680 --> 01:26:46.439
have a campaign to get the movie
out further. And in fact, one

1117
01:26:46.439 --> 01:26:49.399
thing I want to tell your audience
is if anybody is in New York,

1118
01:26:49.920 --> 01:26:53.960
big big deal. My movie's going
to run for a week in New York

1119
01:26:54.399 --> 01:26:58.079
in April twenty second. If it
does well, it will run past the

1120
01:26:58.119 --> 01:27:00.720
first week and it will go out
to a large chain of theaters if it

1121
01:27:00.720 --> 01:27:03.720
does well. So a lot of
my effort now is going into spreading the

1122
01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:08.920
word in Manhattan. It's going to
be a very well known art house in

1123
01:27:09.000 --> 01:27:12.920
Manhattan called the Quad Cinema. Everybody
in Manhattan knows what the Quad side.

1124
01:27:13.000 --> 01:27:16.079
When does that start? It starts
April twenty seconds. And in fact,

1125
01:27:16.800 --> 01:27:21.960
because you've got a sophisticated UFO kind
of audience, I'm looking for panelists to

1126
01:27:21.960 --> 01:27:26.319
do Q and a's with me afterwards. Great, So if you get on

1127
01:27:26.399 --> 01:27:30.279
the conversation dot org my blog,
you can email me from there. But

1128
01:27:30.359 --> 01:27:32.760
I am looking for even people who
would moderate. Maybe you don't even know

1129
01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:35.880
much about the Circles, but they
have some cachet in the world, and

1130
01:27:36.319 --> 01:27:39.880
you know, people would find it
interesting to have, you know, bring

1131
01:27:39.920 --> 01:27:43.199
me some movies start well, cool, because I know we do have a

1132
01:27:43.239 --> 01:27:45.520
lot of people in New York,
a lot of listeners out there, so

1133
01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:49.119
and some of them are active in
this stuff. So you know, get

1134
01:27:49.159 --> 01:27:53.720
on and you email me and I'll
give you information about things you might be

1135
01:27:53.720 --> 01:27:57.800
able to go to other than the
movie. And there's a going to be

1136
01:27:57.840 --> 01:28:00.680
a big deal thing in going on
in New York and I really want support

1137
01:28:00.760 --> 01:28:05.119
there. We have five shows a
day for seven days minimum, and I

1138
01:28:05.199 --> 01:28:09.960
want to you know, have them
crowded, and I wanted to be successful

1139
01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:13.600
there. So all right, any
New Yorkers be in touch. Well,

1140
01:28:13.600 --> 01:28:16.439
we're out of time, So the
Conversation dot Org is where the New Yorkers

1141
01:28:16.439 --> 01:28:20.439
and other could go to see your
blog and then crop circlemovie dot com to

1142
01:28:20.479 --> 01:28:26.199
see more about the movie and how
to purchase it. Excellent, well done.

1143
01:28:26.239 --> 01:28:30.319
Actually on the blog you can click
on by the movie and it'll take

1144
01:28:30.319 --> 01:28:31.920
you the same place at crop circlemovie
dot com. So if you all go

1145
01:28:32.000 --> 01:28:34.560
to the Conversation dot org, it's
the only place you have to go to

1146
01:28:34.640 --> 01:28:38.760
and you can do it all.
All right, Well, thank you so

1147
01:28:38.840 --> 01:28:41.119
much for being on the show.
It was a lot of fun. You

1148
01:28:41.159 --> 01:28:45.159
definitely brought a lot of energy to
the show and a lot of information.

1149
01:28:45.199 --> 01:28:47.039
Thank you for being a good interviewer. You are, Alejandro, and you

1150
01:28:47.079 --> 01:28:50.199
really are with me here and I
can really feel it and that's what helps

1151
01:28:50.239 --> 01:28:54.800
me, you know, express myself. So I appreciate that. Great Thank

1152
01:28:54.840 --> 01:28:58.079
you very much, thanks for being
on the show, and we'll have to

1153
01:28:58.079 --> 01:29:04.199
revisits time any time. All right, Well, next week I want to

1154
01:29:04.239 --> 01:29:09.760
let everybody know that we're going to
have Chuck Zukowski on. He's a paranormal

1155
01:29:09.800 --> 01:29:14.039
investigator. We've had him on the
show before. He has done roswell research

1156
01:29:14.079 --> 01:29:19.760
and also cattle mutilation stuff recently and
he got terminated as a reserve deputy sheriff's

1157
01:29:19.760 --> 01:29:24.319
officer for some of his cattle mutilation
stuff, so we're going to talk to

1158
01:29:24.399 --> 01:29:28.199
him about that. Thanks for listening
to Open Minds Radio. Don't forget to

1159
01:29:28.279 --> 01:29:31.439
visit Openminds dot tv for more UFO
news. We'll talk to you next week.