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Hi again, Everyone's Brian Howie. Welcome to the Great Love Debate,
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ten miles from here, so I feel like I'm back in the old in
the old hood. As we record this. We always want to be ever
green with our podcast, so I never really want to say when we're recording
or when this is releasing. But we are releasing this in the onset of
spring, and so what that means it is time for our annual Spring Fling
mail bag. So what I did was I put out on the socials,
on the social media and on the interwebs a request. And it's not really
about springtime. It's more about that feeling that you might get here or you
get in Chicago where it's late March early April and it's fifty nine degrees and
everybody freaks out and they jump the gun like winter's over, and then it
gets dark at four point thirty and it's six more weeks of winter, like
it sucks. So this is Spring Fling emails letters that you guys sent to
us that are about occasions in dating or in relationships where you guys felt you
might have jumped the gun, that you might premature jocularity, if you will.
So I brought it a pro for this, and we're going to argue
about the rules that I think she came. She's a celebrity realer around here.
She is a bon vivant, and she has some dating philosophies. And
I also thinks she's a very wise person. So she's going to be able
to answer some of these letters. Her name is Jen Danzy. Say hi
Jen, Hi, everyone, you have two You came to my show ten
years ago, literally ten years ago, and you threw out I thought two
rules, but you had one, and maybe I morphed one. I stand
by the one I'm morphed. IM want to explain that in a second.
Your first rule was what the twelve hour makeout rule, and that means what
making out for twelve hours like staying is tantric kind of not exactly sort of.
If you meet someone, you make out a little, they get a
little time on the clock. You hang out with them again, you make
out a little more, and the idea is that if they can make it
through twelve hours and making out, they can go a little further. You
do get time off for good behavior, and you get reprimanded for disappearing acts
for more than three weeks. So you make out for twenty minutes and then
you see each other another week, and maybe you do another forty minutes,
but then you go two weeks. Then it's back to zero. Do not
pass go or as a goos down unless there's you know, circumstances like a
death and the family or a work trip. See those don't exactly count against
your hours if you're not available for making out. Twelve hours of making out
is very old fashioned. It really helps, it does. Now that being
said, I took that rule, and I'm almost positive this rule came from
you. But maybe I'm morphed into something more brilliant because I tend to do
that is fruit of the gen Danzi tree. People always say, when do
you know you're in a relationship? When are you dating? Blah blah blah.
I believe that the answer to that is when you have spent one hundred
hours together. Now you can spend four straight days together twenty four hours a
day. If you spend four straight days together, I think you're I think
you're dating. I think you're with each other. But if you see each
other like every other week for two hours at a time, like you need
to really get up. So I don't care what you do in that time.
And I think phone counts, I think zoom counts. One hundred hours
with another person, then I think you know enough about them to decide,
Okay, we're gonna be boyfriend girlfriend. Well sometimes you think your boyfriend girlfriend,
but they don't. But if they're spending one hundred hours with you,
you at least have enough information to decide this is what I want to do
with this person. I mean, I have a friend who's probably spent about
eight years now with somebody, but they're still married to someone else. In
that count, well, they're in a relationship, They're in several relationships.
Something's going on. Yeah, something's going on? All right. I asked
you guys, like I said, for listener letters on this theme. We
got a whole bunch of them. I try and pick a half dozen that
are going to represent a whole lot of other ones that you guys said.
They're very different, they're very weird. I did take a peek at these,
which I rarely really do. So me and Jen are going to listen
to them, analyze them, and perhaps give some wisdom on them. Are
you ready, Jen, It's a good exercise for you. Jen's a mom
now, I haven't seen her that much since she became a mom. She's
a wife, she's a mother, she's a response. But back in the
day, she's used to do twelve hour makeout rules. So all right.
This one is from Brent from Wilmington, North Carolina, and he writes,
there was a girl I used to work with I really liked. We were
in different departments, so I knew her casually, but I thought she was
beautiful and fun, and one year at at our Christmas party, I watched
her dance and thought she was perfect. Anyway, our company really frowned on
inner office romance, so I never did anything about it, but she suddenly
resigned and moved to another firm about thirty miles away. So I decided to
call her up ask her out, and I asked her to go first date
to my cousin's wedding. I thought she was either going to think that's crazy
or think that was amazing. The wedding was pretty close by, so there
was no awkward travel plans. Anyway, she said yes. The first date
was at a wedding. She was absolutely as fun as I dreamed, and
we are still together nine months later. Was a wedding too much too soon?
Nope, not in my case. I mean you're starting at the end
of the spectrum of the wedding date. But you lost twelve hour makeout rule.
Yeah, I know they did. Here's why. Here's my caveat on
this. I think it's fun. You're going there's open bar, it's cheap
date. You know, you might have to buy a gift, but you
get in the food, there's dancing, you can see how the other person
behaves around other people. The one time I think you can't do this is
if you're in the wedding. Oh yeah, because then they're all alone.
They're all alone, they're weird, but I think it would be a great
thing. You're sitting next to each other at a wedding and people like,
how do you guys know each other? And you're like, this is our
first date. Then you become more interesting than the couple getting married, unless
you're sitting next to a blind date exactly blind date, which is essentially this.
He kind of knew a little bit about her. He didn't do that.
Somebody said, hey, I know this weird first date. What do
you want to do this weekend? You want to go to a wedding with
me? Most would you say yes to that? Back in your swinging single
days, even to go on any dates. I hated dates. They were
the worst, right, But this is like less of a This is you
don't have to come up with any other activity you come up. I'm a
fan of weddings in general, so your weddings are fun. I agree.
I'll go to any wedding I like it. And so she says, yeah,
I'm up for this. That's a really good sign for the girl.
Means she's willing to take a chance. Yeap, You're going to what should
be a fun and festive environment. And like I said, if it is
not your family. It is his family. It's his cousin. But he's
not in the wedding. But that does mean he's introducing her to his entire
family. Date one. That's a lot. That's a big commitment, that's
a lot. That was risky, very But if he laid it out to
her ahead of time and said, listen, I got a crazy uncle,
I got some aunts, I got this, and my dad's going to be
there, he might look at you funny. But when people say how'd you
guys meet, can we say at work? Because they did used to work
together. Seems like the answer. I also think that if you're putting yourself
in the situation, you kind of have to go with whatever happens. Yeah,
I think you're diving into the deep end of the pool. I am
a fan of this, Like I said, unless you're in the wedding,
and then you're really screwing the person, right, because nobody wants to be
the date for that person, even if you're with that person, even if
you're with that person for a long time, even though it sucks, it's
like, yeah, unless you know all the other people, I think it
still sucks. All right. I'm pro that Brent, we're in favor of
that, all right. Next one, she writes, I'll make this quick.
I met him on Bumble. My opening line after reading his profile,
which was full of travel and adventure. My opening line was I think I
love you. He laughed and asked me out for a drink. A drink
turned into five drinks, and I said I was wrong. I don't think
I love you. I know I love you. Five minutes later he put
me in an uber and that was that. I never heard from him again.
I wasn't wrong. I loved him. I thought he should know.
That is from Bet b e Tte via our Facebook page. Well you better.
Bet needs a lesson in love because love doesn't happen, though it can.
It's aggressive. You don't think it can happen. How many stories have
you heard? Like I knew the minute I saw him getting of love.
But she put it the middle of love. Was it risky to say it?
You need to? Well, it's one thing to say, it's another
thing to force it. She was very She forced it. She got a
little drunk and she spit it out. Yeah, I think he didn't trust
the drinks. Nobody wants to hear that either, I would have run away
fast too. You don't want to hear I love you right away, not
at all, not even close really, because you don't trust the I love
you, or you don't see I'm like, I'm awesome. Of course you
love me. I would be like that. I would not think they're crazy.
I think they had good taste. It's a different kind of love,
like I love a TV show, you know it. What if there's like,
oh my god, my opening ninety minutes of the date were so good
that somebody could be like, of course I love him. No, you
might feel it and think it, but saying it is very concrete and you
need to test it. Oh what does that mean? He has to go
the distance? Yeah, you got to see if you like him under circumstances
besides date one. That is, in order to love them, you have
to see them, not just date one. But she felt something and she
described that is love. Because she didn't really have a clear she didn't have
a better vocabulary. She probably should have said something like, oh my god,
I think you're amazing, or I'm infatuated with you, or this is
the best or yeah, I love the way this feels. I love you
flat out probably aggressive, but it takes the sting out of it, you
know. Oh, it's like a cold knockout. So we are against that.
That a weird opening line. I think, I love you, but
it got him to ask her out, so progress, But then she said
I know I love you, and he do. We have the ages on
these people, sometimes not on this one. The next one we do good
segue and I'm not sure the age matters. This is from mb MB who
I believe is a woman based on this mbava are Instagram rights. You guys
have spoken many times about the pros and cons of sex on the first date.
Well, I had sex with him before the first date. I thought
it would be awkward and hanging over the dinner will we or won't we?
So he's forty eight, I'm fifty one. We aren't newbies, so I
said, we obviously have chemistry, so why don't I stop by your place
and we will put the dessert before the entree, so to speak. I
went over there, we did it, then went and had a great dinner.
The sex wasn't great, but the filet mignon was live and learn,
love them and leave them. I feel like we did connect a bit better.
Over dinner because the fog of sexual chemistry had been somewhat cleared. But
that was the end of that, an experiment with inconclusive results. She's the
exact opposite of the twelve hour met Yeah, so she's like, I'm not
going to waste time here's I'm not going to say whether this is good or
bad. They are fifth forty eight and fifty one. If they go out
on the first date, there is this When is this jackass going to try
and make a move on me? I know this is why he's talking to
me. I know this is why we're here. He's just gonna want So
let's do it, get it out of the way, and then figure out
if we like each other. Wow, risky strategy, but not necessarily any
different than if they went out to dinner and then went home. I'm not
sure she's gonna know him any better anyway. Does it make him more honest
that the sex is out of the way. It's amazing that he followed through
with the date after well, right, so points for him. So he
wasn't like, you just want to get some takeout? They still and there
was filet mignon. They still went out to the dinner. Yep. My
question to her is is the opposite. Did the bad sexual encounter make the
dinner not go as well because she's like, I am not going to spend
that much time. I'm out? Basically, did that ruin her thought of
him? Did the bad sex mean that she wasn't gonna give the guy a
fair shot. That's the way I look at it. Bad sex is sort
of it's a deal breaker for the chicks and no, the dudes might just
it's like bad pizza. But on the first one, the eyes are wise
enough to understand, like, it's nervous, we're awkward, we're not saying
anything can happen. It's not necessarily a great experience. Men think like that.
The women are like, oh my god, that sucked. He's like,
must be a bad dancer. I'm out right right. So that's what
I think that hurt. The way she interpreted how the date would go,
and he was probably like, that was great. I like her, that's
definitely possible. I just think that sometimes it'd be a little more comfortable if
you knew each other a little bit more, unless you were completely wasted,
which they obviously aren't. Well, I don't know, I don't know what
they have, but yeah, she's like, let's do that. That's a
She's fifty, so she's a little older than him. She's three years older.
And there are a lot there's a heavy cougar energy out there, no
offense to any of our coup listens, and they're just like, I'm gonna
this is what I want out of this experience, and hopefully we like each
other, which is the opposite of the way it used to be. Right,
Well, it's like speed dating, but like starting at the end of
the date. Yeah, finishing it off with a meal. And maybe that
was like, see, she thinks doing this takes away the game playing and
the fog of sexual chemistry. I think the fog of the sexual experience that
she didn't apparently enjoy that much, lingered over the dinner, which made the
dinner not as great as it would have been on its own, which made
the relationship not go off to a fair start. You can't play a game.
I wouldn't recommend this. Yeah, she reversed engineered, and I think
she screwed it up. All right, we are not going to screw up
anymore of these. I gotta take a quick break because we got to pay
for things like Filet Mignon and Gretwich, Connecticut. I'm here with Jen Dancy.
We were asking we are answering the annual Spring Fling listener letters, and
we will be back right after this, and we are back next one.
This is from Vanessa via our Facebook page. Brian, you have said before
that you can never trust a person who doesn't love a dog, but you
can always trust a dog who doesn't love a person. Anyway, I decided
to ask my new very cute neighbor on a dog walking date. I said
he could come with me to the dog park and we would get to know
each other. Anyway. My dog started acting weird from the second he tried
to pet her, and once we got to the park, we were surrounded
by a weird energy of barking, growling dogs. I go there four times
a week, I've never experienced it. The only explanation is him. It
totally freaked me out and I couldn't figure out what the energy was that caused
all that caused all this. He's still super cute, but he's going to
have to just remain a neighbor. I mean, I don't disagree dogs have
extra sensories that we just don't have. And maybe he was awesome and they
couldn't handle it. Maybe he was grave up a vibe that the dogs.
I'm going with the dogs, so you could get he always trusted dog that
doesn't like that's he might have had some dog hair on his pants and they
freaked him out. No, no, just flat out. They know when
a storm is coming and they would have they do so, so that was
a good thing to try out right away. Bring the dog around around a
lot of parents with kids. Obviously when they start dating again, they're not
going to bring their kids around, you know, every single guy they go
on a date with to get their opinion, because the kids might not give
it on his opinion. But it's also too soon the dog, though,
you're in favor of let the dog sniff them and see what's up. Yeah.
So so Vanessa made the right right call to do the date and right
call to to leave him as just a neighbor. Definitely dog test him first
dog. Yeah, dog, that's that'd not be a bad thing to put
in your dating profile. I am dog tested. Oh man, So if
it was just her dog and the other dogs didn't act up, but that
was too much to the dog park but didn't have a dog. No,
that was a guy who came to our show. That was good. It
wasn't my friend, he was. He came to our show in San Diego
because he said he liked to do that on first dates, go to the
dog park and when the lady and when the lake like him. Well,
no, well the lady the girls at the dog park would say which one
is yours, and he would say, I used to come here with Rusty
And there was no Rusty. So the dogs, I don't know, could
pick up on that weird energy. But I don't know. Probably you're right,
Probably there was something weird about him. But if all of the dogs
acted up, maybe he spoke in a frequency that bothered the dog's ears.
And yeah, that can't be good either. Okay, fair enough, all
right? Next one, this is from Jim Jim and Bloomington. That could
be anywhere anyway. I thought a good way to get to know someone was
to ask them what they would name their kids. We went to a basketball
game for a first date. There was a delay in the start of the
game because of a lighting issue at the arena, but they put the player's
names on the scoreboard, and when I noticed some strange names, I thought,
why not ask her what names she would choose. She got so bothered
by the question she thought that implied I was thinking about having sex with her
that night. She asked if we could go. I tried to tell her
it was just a fun thing I like to do, but she insisted the
name thing was filled within you and and she couldn't get past it anyway.
I walked her to the train she took off. I went back into the
game and went to overtime. The Pacers won, winning basket by a Lithuanian
guy with a strange name. She should have stayed. That is from Jim
and Bloomington. I see her point, But isn't that a good thing?
Like what do you want to kids? Names? Would you do on a
first date? Or is that just sets off all kinds of bells. You
may want to set them up with the people who do it before dinner.
Well, this whole thing is people jumping the gun. I get it.
Contract we'll do it. Then we'll see. Women ask things like do you
want to have kids? And most men answer. We had Julie Furman a
couple of weeks ago as a siren goal. Mine is a is a rough
neighborhood here in Greenwich, Connecticut. Julie Furman, who's a matchmaker, said
that men will always answer affirmatively if the woman brings up kids because they know
if they don't, most women are going to rule them out right, which
is probably why I've never married. They run, they don't like that.
But so she's gonna say something like, so you haven't, you're gonna have
kids, And he'd be like, what would you name your kid if you
were going to have a kid. That implies sex to me, It doesn't
to me, and implies thinking about raising a family, I mean the future.
Yeah. That her reaction was nuts, right? Would you think that
was that? What? That that meant? Breathing? I have some guy
ask me about what I was going to name my kids at a basketball game,
I'd run, you would run, I'd run. Well, that just
meant he was awkward. It doesn't mean that it had sex. It's just
he's not the sex part. That's like you just think he's weird. Do
you think it's stressful? Who was getting to the kids part? Back in
your swinging single days, did you ever write the last name of a guy
you went out with, just to see what that would look like. Yeah,
in like sixth grade on a tree with a pencil. Girls still do
that in their twenties. They still do that in their thirties. Ridiculous.
I didn't even take my husband's last name. I know, Well, there
you go. That's a different thing. But people do do that, and
they do think about it. I think it's aggressive, very but I also
get that people are nervous on first dates. So for him to have like
a little list of these are things I like to ask them or whatever.
There's there's the thing that I would do on a date. Do you have
a menu here anywhere? I've talked about on a podcast before. Do you
have any menus here? We don't. There's no menus. Look at something
on the menu, look at the whole menu, and say, if I
were in a band, what would be the name of my band based on
something? Yeah, right, exactly, that's exactly. That's a fun thing.
I'd be like, I'd be the Hallowpenia poppers. Right, that's a
good exercise. But this is in that vein. He's just not as a
band and a baby or one does not require the partner that's true too,
but I think you could name your and the Kung Pou Chicken would be a
great band name. Easy. What kind of music does Kungkound Chicken play?
Conversation? Probably like punk. See that's good. I think he was trying
along that vein. I think he screwed up. Nerves play a part.
I'm always on the side of people are very nervous. I'm not saying you
need to have sex before the date, and I'm not saying you need to
do baby names, but I I do understand that people are not the smoothest.
Definitely, Okay. Next one, this is from PROC. P are
a k that's not I'm not going to name a kid. Proc. Do
you have I know you have a child, but is there a backup name
if you had another one? Dude, you have an was it a runner
up? Because you do have an unusual child's name. We're not going to
say to protect the innocent here, but you have an unusual name. Was
that your choice or you and your husband collectively? It was my mother in
law's maiden name, and I'm like that'd be the best name, and it's
very generic, so could go girl or boys. I like ampersand oh,
yes, it could be boy or girl anyway, which a lot of kids
now, they could be a boy or girl anyway. This is proc pr
ak. I don't know if this is a boy or girl, and that
is a boy. Here's why my friend group consists mostly of girls. Most
of them are, by any standard, absolutely beautiful. I think of them
as sisters because I've known them. We've known each other for so long,
and honestly, I'm not good looking enough for any of them to ever look
at me romantically. But they do know me well, and I appreciate their
opinion on who I date. So I go on a first date with a
new girl. I said, do you want to go meet my friends at
this fun new lounge. She said sure. I guess I didn't mention it
was five girls. She was very annoyed. She said I must either be
gay or a player, or secretly in love with all of them. I'm
not. I liked her, and I tried to explain that I felt comfortable
enough to bring her into my circle of friends pretty fast. I guess it
was too fast or they were too much. She didn't like them. They
didn't like her. If I waited a month or so that would seem weird,
like I had hidden something the whole time. But I guess it wasn't
the right move no matter what. Well, I'm a fan of this approach.
I think throw him into the friend group. Yeah, if you don't
find the dog group. Yeah, Well I wasn't really. Actually, I
was just with a friend at lunch today and she was on a date in
LA and the guy brought his dog to the ivy for a dinner date,
not even a daytime date. But wow, We'll get back to the dogs
in a minute. I'm a huge fan of just bringing them into the mix.
If they don't, you're not going to get to the date part until
you can pass through the friend mix part. If I can't hang out with
you, then I don't want to go out to dinner with you solo.
I agree because I'm a master at these listener letters, and I look for
the poetry between the lines, so to speak. Here's what stood out to
me, Here's what proc sorry, here is the one line that was the
red flag for me. Honestly, I'm not good looking enough for any of
them to ever date romantically. That means, do I agree with that?
I mean because people fall in love with people. Well, not only that,
no, but that means that he if he were, he's not saying
that I don't look at him that way. He says, they don't look
at me that way, and they put me in the friend zone. Which
doesn't mean that he doesn't secretly think a bunch of hot chicks that he isn't
secretly hope for that, And that would be the red flag. And I'm
not sure he explained that to her. But if these girls were clearly hot
and he had five hot friends and he was just that dude, unless she
was equal or above hot to them, she had have been like, he's
with me because he can't have them. That's very possible, and that probably
for some girls doesn't fly. You know, another friend who went on a
date not too long ago, showed up, met this guy and some ex
girlfriend of his was at the bar, and that girl was going on about
what a great relationship they had. It was the best sex she'd ever had.
Oh, I'm told the date that. Yeah, she eventually left.
You know, she came from you, that's terrible, went out to either
like Long Island or the city. I forget where it's the reference. He
did not want He didn't ask for a reference. Yeah, he wasn't asking
for it, but everything about it just turned this girl off and she left.
I'm sure some people don't want their boyfriend or girlfriend to hang out with
a bunch of people of opposite sex. I understand that him hanging out with
a group of it mostly girls, But for him to say I'm not good
looking enough for them, that tells me that he wants one or more of
them, or all of them. Yeah, I don't trust it either.
She was right to leave. Sorry PROC in Orlando, And I'm not naming
my kid PROC. Sorry prock. Is that short for something proc? You
need to follow up proctologists? Yeah? No, p r a K.
I don't think that's the right. Maybe he is, I don't know.
All right, this was the batch. People are jumping the gun, and
I'm always going to side on it's better to shoot your shot, which a
lot of these people are doing. It's better to take chances, which a
lot of the people are doing. But you have to be prepared to go
down in flames on some of these chances. One that did too paid off
here, the wedding one paid off nice well, I guess, and the
dog park paid off in a way that didn't. The people had sex first,
not the right move. The one who said I love you first,
not the right move, the baby names not the right move, and bringing
around the hot friends not the right move. So the rule of thumb here
probably is if you think it's too quick, it's too quick, it's probably
too quick. All right, Jen, this is your first time on the
podcast. I think have you done my podcast before? Not especially been a
long time. We play something called worst date or first date, which means
that you either have to you have to think back to your your single days
and you have to either give us the worst date you ever went on or
the best first date you ever went on, your choice. This is tough
because I didn't really dat Well, you're married, so somehow you got there.
Okay, all right, I'll give you a good one, an almost
date. It was the worst almost date. This is when I was first
dating my husband and I don't date. I don't like going out to dinner.
It's just you and me. It was always like just fall into the
world that I live in, and eventually our worlds will eventually somebody orders some
chicken fingers and accounts as a date, Yeah, exactly, okay, and
he wanted to go to dinner at a place. I'm not going to name
the place because it's a lovely place, but it was a weird Italian restaurant
in another town that had like blood red carpets and like you know maps of
Sicily on the wall and they're you know, half the restaurants filled with priests
and the other half mob guys. Yes, and a couple of you know
families that live in the area. Food's very good, but it's a Saturday
night and it's only been this is probably like you know, maybe second third,
fourth time hanging out in general. And I was like, there is
no way I would ever go to that place on a Saturday night to what
go sit there and like stare at each other while you eat pasta. I
want to be I want to be all with my friends, you know,
I want to be doing things. And that was almost the beginning of the
end, because he chose a scene from an Italian restaurant for his date,
like he chose a He wanted to go to something that wasn't like fun and
cool and happening. And I said to him, like, this is where
you go on a Tuesday, after you've been dating for like six months.
This is not too much of a chill vibe. Yeah. See, he
took a shot like if we feel a was there booths? Was there?
Like leather booths? You know they're like black back chairs with wine pleather seat
covers. Yeah, so he wanted to get to know you. Yeah,
you are Italian, so he was paying homage to your heritage. Yeah yeah,
not necessary, not on a Saturday expectation. Taking the Japanese girl for
sushi. It's probably risky. Yes, I know, don't do that,
but it worked. No, that almost that was a big fumble. It
was risky. Yep, he almost didn't come back from that. Just stick
with the Let's go meet my friends and shoot pool and right and hangout out
and eventually we will give me nice if you want to try and pick you
up like I'm like, no, I'll be here if you want to stop
by. Yeah, I know that's a problem. Picking up is chivalrous.
That sets a good vibe. I know you're not now, but back in
there you never were. Ever, it's more than one way to skin the
dog. Not to say that people aren't. Don't take my life as your
advice. Oh, Jen, all right, this was fun always as far
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tenth season, getting calls, getting calls, Jen. We catting calls to
do one in New York, so I might do one in New York.
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