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Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and
Bobo. These guys are your favor It's

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today and listening, oh watching them
always keep its watching. And now you're

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hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. The mailbox is full. I cannot

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accept any messages at this time.
Goodbye. Of course it is. You

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know. If I were to leave
a message, you would be Bobo.

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We sent out the link for the
podcast twenty five minutes ago. Would you

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like to join us? Oh?
Bobo? Hey kids, it's a Cliff

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from Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
usually Bobo. This time we have standing

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in for Bobo. Number seventy four. Matt Pruitt. What's up, dude?

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Yeah, thank you very much.
All right, So, yeah,

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Bobo is not with us on the
call. We don't know what happened to

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him. We don't know where he
is, we don't know if he's awake,

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asleep. Dead. Rumor is that
he's dead, but we deflate those

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rumors almost weekly. I got more
emails about that just last week actually.

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But hey, I'm sorry about Bobo
being dead because dude, he's not dead

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anyway. So anyway, yeah,
so instead of having Bobo on the line

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with us live, unless he shows
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or an hour, We're just gonna
interject little boboisms here and there throughout the

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episode so you feel like he's there
with us. But anyway, yeah,

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Bobo's nowhere to be found right now. But this is Bigfoot and Beyond with

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Cliff and usually Bobo and today Matt
Preuitt. So anyway, Matt Prue,

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how you doing, sir, I'm
very good. Just got back from the

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Path of Totality, where my wife's
family is from, so I got to

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see the eclipse, and I had
told you off the air. Unfortunately,

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the last time there was an eclipse
in twenty seventeen, where I live here

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in Middle Tennessee was right in the
path of totality then, but I worked

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for evil overlords that told us that
we were needed on the phones. I

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worked as a recruiter, and that
if anyone went outside to watch the eclipse,

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their position would be terminated. So
we all missed it. And so

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now that I've seen the glory of
the eclipse, I feel like writing a

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strongly worded letter to them to tell
them that they deserve a place in eternal

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damnation. Oh yeah, yeah,
there are no words strong enough for that.

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You know. I did not get
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I had to work. There's a
lot of reasons I couldn't travel this time

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of year right now. But anyway, I saw the last one in twenty

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seventeen, and actually I saw it
with Bobo. If you were here,

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you could tell us about it.
So yeah, Bobo and I were there,

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Tom Powell was there. I think
the b LARTs were out. It

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was great, man, it was
so much fun and Melissa I just had

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a blast. Tears came to my
eyes. It was such a beautiful,

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beautiful thing. I think the way
I described to you what I saw,

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Matt, was that the eclipse was
easily one of the top three coolest things

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I've ever seen in my life,
and I have no idea what the other

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two things might be. It was
just absolutely amazing. So any scumbag employer,

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and I don't I can't say that
strong enough. Any scumbag employer that

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would not let their employees step outside
to check out one of the miracles of

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existence, you deserve nothing better than
eternal damnation. Oh, I totally agree.

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You know, it's interesting too.
I got a lot of emails and

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you probably did as well, from
people asking if we were planning to be

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in the field to see if there
are any reactions from sasquatches, And so

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I just told people like, you
know, since so many animals do seem

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to react to it, that you'd
have to assume that there's some degree of

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continuity that perhaps sasquatches would react to
it as well. But this time I

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wanted to be with family instead of
you know, sasquatches are not very good

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family. They're very as I've said
before, emotionally distant. They never return

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call, They're never there when you
need them. You know, I think

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about them a lot more than they
think about me, and so I didn't

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feel inclined to enjoy the spectacle of
nature amongst such terrible friends as the sasquatch.

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Yeah, and honestly, at the
end of the day, I mean,

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Bigfoot is in everything. It's most
things in my life. But it

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is and everything, and as even
nerds like us have to put it down

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at some point and enjoy it.
Just what's happening, you know, it's

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like it's like these people go to
concerts and would rather take pictures of the

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band instead of listen to the music. It's like, what are you doing?

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What are you doing? There's actually
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you should pay attention to that instead, just for a minute. And I

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kind of feel Bigfoot in some ways. It's kind of similar, like if

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you're so obsessed that during any clips
you're wondering, no, wonder how bigfoots

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are, but you're kind of missing
the point. Man, You're just missing

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the point at that moment. So
yeah, it's good to have balance.

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Like I always have my devoted hours
of the day to the subject, whether

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that's reading, studying, working on
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and then there's plenty of other things
that I use to sort of like

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turn my brain off of that.
And without that balance, yeah, things

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get You can easily get burnt out
on the things, no matter how much

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you love them, if they just
occupy too much time or energy or something

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like that. And again, because
sasquatches are not very cooperative or rewarding critters,

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I don't feel obligated to give them
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I suppose that's a good way to
say it. Yeah, because you know,

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that's one of the things that people
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new. And when I say new, I mean like five years or so.

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I think that's fairly new at this
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for me, it is. It
can very easily throw your life out of

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balance very quickly, and things can
go awry. And this probably has something

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to do with that. The legendary
curse of Bigfoot or whatever. You know,

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a lot of cultures in general,
like native cultures or otherwise have like,

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oh, you know, you see
a Bigfoot, it's bad news as

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a curse, or someone's gonna die
this or that, you know, And

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I think there's some truth. There's
some truth to that. I mean,

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it's not verbatim. No one's going
to die, it's totally fine. But

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things often come to those who maybe
see a sasquatch will become interested in the

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subject early on. It's early on
because their life is out of balance,

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you know. Like I know one
guy who was a really good drummer.

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Now this guy's a pretty good friend
of mine, a really really good drummer.

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He ended up seeing a sasquatch at
one point, and then he completely

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stopped drumming, and then he just
was bigfooting all the time, whereas before

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he was in like four or five
bands. Now I think this gentleman's personality.

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And again, I like this guy
a lot. He's a good friend

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of mine. This guy's personality is
one that swings pretty widely. You know.

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The pendulum goes really far one direction, then really far the other,

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almost nothing but drums, and then
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sasquatch. So I'm doing nothing but
bigfoot. There is so much room in

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between. There's plenty of time for
drums and bigfoot metaphorically speaking, and the

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bigfoot subjects somehow captures people and just
brings brings that out. It's like,

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I'm gonna just do this. I'm
there's nothing I'd rather do the be in

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the field. There's this, only
this, only this, only this,

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you know, And you look at
the carcasses along the side of the road

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behind these people, you know,
and you see a lot of things,

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like you know, jobs and marriages
and friendships and relationships in general just just

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thrown aside because of obsession or lack
of balance, you know, and myself

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included I've gone through that, Absolutely
have I gone through that. But I'm

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also thirty years deep into the subject
at this point where I've learned a few

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things from my time, and I
can say that with complete confidence that balance

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is probably more important than bigfoot A
thousand percent. I would agree with that,

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and I've experienced that too, And
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the book, especially the last chapter, is sort of an optimistic call to

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action maybe or at least some general
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way to move forward. And the
first thing that I lay out is you

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have to realistically define your expectations.
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people go astray and get burnt out
very quickly and experience a lot of headache

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and heartache because so many people start
out with the expectation like, oh,

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I'm going to either prove this to
the world or I'm going to be a

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part of this community that proves it
to the world. It's like, well,

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you know, if you're setting that
goal for yourself, you've got a

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really, really hard road ahead that
no one has been able to navigate for

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seventy years of this pursuit. And
so for the people that want to just

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prove it to themselves, it's like
they're going to have the most fun because

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they get to be the arbiters of
what constitutes proof. You know, if

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they choose to interpret a divot in
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as absolute proof that the Sasquatch exists
to themselves, well great, you know

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they've set the standard and they've met
it, and they can move on or

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continue to do so. The second
you want to prove it to other people,

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well, now you're playing by their
standards, because maybe the person that

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you're trying to demonstrate something who doesn't
accept divots in the ground or bumps in

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the night, And so if you
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these sorts of experiences that you see, well you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

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And then if you want to prove
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have to look to these institutions that
we sort of designate to arrive at truth,

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and now you've got to play by
their standards, which are much much

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higher than any given individuals for the
most part. And so I think that's

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where a lot of people get frustrated
with the subject is that what constitutes proof

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to them hardly does to another person. And of course, who do we

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spend the most time with, while
it's our friends, our peers, our

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colleagues, our loved ones, and
so it can be really deflating to those

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people if they're going to the people
most proximal, the most immediate in their

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lives to say, look at this
proof that I found, and they're saying,

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hey, I'm sorry, I don't
see what you're seeing in that.

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That's not proof at all to me. And then people become bitter and resentful

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and angry or disappointed. And it's
a tough gig for sure. Yeah.

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I don't know about anybody else.
I don't even really know about me sometimes,

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but it seems to me that my
I don't have a goal. People

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ask me that, and you know, it's kind of frustrating. Even last

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night, I was cleaning up my
desktop on my computer and going through this

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and putting this PDF and this file
and you know, doing that kind of

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stuff, you know, housekeeping on
my computer just literally last night, and

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I ran across it's a digital version
of a magazine that I was interviewed for

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a number of years ago, and
then I said, I remember this.

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I never did read this, you
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again, I don't watch the things
I'm in the TV shows and what.

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I don't read the articles that are
written about me for the most part,

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just because you know, I already
know what I said, and I don't

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want to see how the interviewer screwed
it up, because generally speaking, it's

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not quite the what I not quite
what I intended it to say, but

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but I have I just kind of
glanced this one over and right there at

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the beginning, it was like,
you know, I I it said,

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it cast me as a person who
is intent on proving the species, and

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I'm just not. I'm just not. I know they're real. I'm totally

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I'm completely convinced they're real. I
mean, I'm going to call that.

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I know they're real. I've had
lots and lots of they things happening.

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I Mean, my sighting wasn't the
best in the world, but I think

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it was one. I could be
wrong, I mean, I'm open to

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that, but I'm pretty confident it
was one even nowadays. You know,

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this last week, I went to
a location out in the woods that nobody

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knew I was going to be there. I wasn't even sure I was going

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to be walking that road and I
found footprints. You know, that says

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a lot to me, you know. I mean, I'm completely convinced these

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things are real. Why do I
need to prove it to somebody? I

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don't care what other people think,
you know. I mean, so people

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ask me like why am I doing
this? You know? And I can

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always come up with reasons that I
guess, but there is no driving reason

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because despite what culture says I should
do, or should be or should have,

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I don't really have goals. I'm
not a goal driven individual, you

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know. I don't try to reach
this pinnacle, this point, this skill

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level, this whatever. I do
things because I enjoy them, you know,

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just like going for a walk.
If I leave the house to go

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for a walk, it's not to
get somewhere because it turns out I always

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come back home. It's actually just
to go out and experience the thing itself,

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the actual walk, And I view
Bigfoot and playing guitar and most things

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that way. But anyway, so
yeah, this goal thing has always kind

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of eluded me. I just don't
really adhere to that mindset, so I'm

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not out there trying to prove it, despite what that magazine article said said

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about me, which I guess is
a danger of being a public figure because

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you're constantly mischaracterized. Yeah, well, you've got to play a certain role.

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You know. They want to interview
a character, and so they're going

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to fit you into that character role, whether whether you fit into it naturally

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or not. But you know,
I think we all have goals that are

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hopefully reasonable and attainable, even if
we put them just out of reachion,

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even if that goal is just like
I'm going to go out in the field

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and see what I can see.
And goals are a little bit different than

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expectations, I would say. If
you're saying, like I expect to go

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out and find evidence, that's a
pretty tough proposition. Let alone, I'm

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going to go out and acquire proof
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I certainly have goals, but I
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make them, and certainly some are
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to have the experience of seeing one. I was in communication with the gentleman

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who read the book and had an
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of talking through some of the points, and you know, he leans more

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that the psychological hypothesis is the more
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think the biological hypothesis is simpler and
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I do agree that there's a psychological
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biological route at the base of it. But I had brought up, you

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know, of all these years of
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preparing myself, like I've never had
that experience, and not only that,

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but I've never even had one in
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a a sighting of a sasquatch and
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so that's why I kind of giggle
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would say that, oh, well, the sasquatch is just a wish fulfillment,

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it's just a desire people see what
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always joke like, well, if
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one hundred of them by now.
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whatever portion of the human psyche produces
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it, And I said that could
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I suppose, And what I meant
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a matter of faith for me that
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interviewed many people, many of whom
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seen a sasquatch in broad daylight,
unobstructed and I believe them. And could

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I be wrong, well, sure, but I do believe that they've authentically

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had that experience. But it's still
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that I know that such experiences occur
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is something exogenous to the observer and
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I would say, of all the
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is totally out of my reach,
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maybe that never happens. But the
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I'm going to get out in the
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explore, I'm going to see what's
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some interesting wildlife encounters. Maybe I'll
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ago, found a really cool old
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and a chimney all stone and a
really remote drainage, And so I love

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finding things like that, and those
are like little mini goals. Well,

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I accomplished something. I found something
cool, and you know, do a

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lot of searching online and I don't
see that anyone else ever found this,

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or if they did, they didn't
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And so goals and expectations should definitely
be put in their proper place, you

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know. Yeah, that's it sounds
like you're describing like capital G goals and

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little G goals. Yeah, because
little G goals are I mean, I

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guess, I guess I do have
some of those, but I don't think

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of them as goals. I think
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that would be cool, you know, and that's really about it,

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you know, like I'd like to
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that's not really the goal. I
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You know, I'm just I'm just
enjoying it. Stay tuned for more

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Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo
will be right back after these messages.

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Yeah, And I'm sure you get
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for advice, and you know that's
that's usually the response that I give is

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to find your expectations and you know, try to conduct yourself accordingly to those

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expectations and do your best to make
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people reach out for advice, they
want to know, like what audio recorder

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do you recommend, or where specifically
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no, there's something else that undergirds
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stages of making purchases or you know, going wheels up and putting boots on

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the ground in places. But if
you have a strong foundation and what it

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is that you actually hope will happen, that you expect will happen, that

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you would like to happen or like
to achieve, then everything else can be

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very enjoyable. But like you said, I've seen it really consume a lot

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of people and destroy relationships from professional
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and it can be really sad.
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and a great many other endeavors.
It's just that this one is so much

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harder for the average person to sign
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experience dependent. We've had our own
experiences, and so that certainly fuels and

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informs a lot of our desire to
move forward. You know, if you

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had never found a track, if
you had never heard a sound, you

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know, it would probably be a
lot more difficult to find the motivation time

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and time again. But expect to
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them go, hey, I'm totally
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to happen in most cases. And
so I think that's where people get so

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frustrated, is that they want the
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be immediately conferred to another person and
that another person will see it, and

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it's just not the way our interests
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wired. And so getting that firm
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someone wants to have any longevity because
I cannot tell you, and you probably

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ten times more than me. I
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since two thousand and seven, let's
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it and being involved with BFRO expeditions
that were brand new to the subject,

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just total neophytes who had like the
temerity, like this abundance of confidence to

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say, oh, I'm going to
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those people I have never heard from

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again. I've never seen their names
anywhere. They just completely engaged. It's

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like they were so certain that they
could take down this foe, so to

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speak, they could slay this proverbial
dragon. And I think they realized pretty

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quickly how difficult it is. And
they don't even back off. They just

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walk away completely. You know.
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I always got to know where what
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advice is basically rewording what you said. It is like, go for a

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different reason. Go to the woods
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because you know, if you go
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or mushroom hunting or hiking, you'll
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the time. If you go for
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one hundred percent of the time.
Then they they kind of laugh, and

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I go, well, oh,
wait a minute, hold on, hate

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to interrupt this conversation, Hey bobs, what's happening? Man? I just

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got all of Texas eighteen Texas some
different people last couple of days. I

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didn't know about the pot waiting to
hear something. Anyways, I'm on the

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bridge, all right now, all
right, well, give me a call

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when you're back on your computer.
Okay, Well, actually the link has

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already been sent. Go ahead and
click it and join us. All right,

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talk to you soon. But well
that's good news. Oh bobo,

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oh bobo. You know, oh
bobo is a palindrome as long as you

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don't as long as you don't spell
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to say, I was going to
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there are so many new people.
Do you remember when you were new,

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Like, is there any advice that
stuck out with you that still holds true

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to this day that you're grateful you
received in those early days? You know

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what. The earliest days I was
alone because you know, I'm, as

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most of our listeners know, I'm
a pretty like you know, crippling introvert.

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In a lot of a lot of
ways, I'm a professional extrovert.

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I'm good at what I do.
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alone from two thousand, I'm sorry, from nineteen ninety three or four up

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until about two thousand and two thousand
and one. That was my first branching

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out into the Bigfoot land. So
I was doing it for six or seven

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years alone. So I didn't have
a lot of advice. It's just kind

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of fumbling in the dark. But
when I did finally get to a certain

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point, probably what's stuck with me
more than anything is advice or modeling.

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I guess by Kathy's train and Tommy
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very, very important because I went
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Kathy and Bob and Mantra and all
sorts of people were there. That's where

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I met. I already knew Tommy
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of good people were there, and
it was a weekend workshop of documentation of

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evidence and I think that that obviously, I mean, if you know who

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I am as a bigfooter, I
think that obviously left an indelible impression upon

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me. That evidence is really really
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with my general introversion and you know, and low tolerance for extended social interactions,

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you can see why I don't put
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but I really put a lot on
physical evidence. So I don't know

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if that counts as advice or not, you know, but it's certainly influenced

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who I am today, you know. And that was twenty something years ago,

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twenty five years or twenty three twenty
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yeah, those early influences certainly talent, I suppose. Yeah, I would

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agree with that. The first minds
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on the subject, you know,
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too, and so I think there
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met people early on when I did

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start interacting with other people who were
kind and friendly and reasonable and not jumping

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to conclusions and not everything was a
sasquatch, And so I look back,

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and I'm like, that's kind of
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because it could have easily gone another
direction. And so having a sort

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of a firm series of interactions with
those people before I started meeting other people

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who were a little more loose with
their standards of evidence straight on to people

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who were just completely outlandish or just
total liars and hoaxers. I'm glad that

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I met the right people first,
and a lot of those people are still

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my friends to this day, thankfully. But yeah, I guess, yeah,

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the models for emulation are just as
important as any words, you know,

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any like axioms, or aphorisms or
adages that you might encounter. But

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some of those are helpful. But
there's also the case that you can tell

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a young person anything and it just
goes in one to ear it out the

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other. Like that certainly would have
happened with me, as I would have

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probably not taken as much of the
advice as I should have. Yeah,

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young people, you know, I
was young once too, couldn't tell me

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anything. Yeah, but you know, one of the other pieces of advice

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that I give because I know what
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say what advice do you have like
for it? Want to get out there

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and do field research. And they're
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you know, what kind of gear
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sideswipe him with the go for other
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temper your expectations. But realistically,
one of the first pieces of advice

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that I give is look where they've
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as simple as that. Look where
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clusters of reports. And you know
what really drove that home is when I

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was on Finding Bigfoot, you know, because finding Bigfoot was an incredible,

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incredible education in bigfoot and big footing
and all sorts of stuff, and a

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lot of amazing lessons came out of
that. But money Maker would if there

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was a report from an area where
we happened to be that week, if

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there was a report from say a
campground or something like that that he liked,

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he trusted it, Maybe he trusted
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the witness like something in flats And
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FLATS is the behind the scenes BFRO
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something in flats that that really tickled
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would go to that same campground and
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he would get activity a significant percentage
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twenty thirty percent of the time or
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the exact same places as previous witnesses
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drilled at home. I figured,
you know, at the time, it's

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like, yeah, animals or are
creatures a habit? You know, you

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go to the same place where they
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a resource there. But he would
do like the exact same camp site and

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he would get good results a significant
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started drilling at home. And now, of course nowadays, as I talk

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about all the time on the podcast, you know, we're finding footprints within

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ten feet of where we has them
before. So that has really been solidified

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in my psyche. So just finding
local reports where there's a cluster of reports

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like maybe two to three four reports
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you all you need to know.
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in the right environment is a huge
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think because I felt it myself when
I was young, and I encounter it

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with people now that people sort of
assume that, well, there's a goal

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and so therefore there's a path,
and so if you take the right steps

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in the right order along the path, you'll hit the goal. And so

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people will say, like what should
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or do you knock twice? Do
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Do you knock three times, wait
twenty minutes, as if you know there's

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some secret code or some combination of
actions you can take that will result in

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if you do these things in this specific

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sequence. And it just doesn't work
that way, and it can get deflating

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00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:41.519
for people because there's really nothing better
that you can do than be in the

408
00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:44.119
environment and keep your eyes in,
the ears open, and be prepared if

409
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:48.000
you have a camera or whatever the
case may be. And it feels like

410
00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:52.519
inactivity. Oh, you're telling me
I should just go camping and sit out

411
00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:56.000
there. That's not very active,
it's not very involved. And I suffer

412
00:26:56.039 --> 00:27:00.599
from that too, because I'm a
pretty kinetic person, so I usually have

413
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:03.720
a hard time sitting still, and
I want to explore and walk around and

414
00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:06.599
see what's to be seen. But
I do know that, like no,

415
00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:10.359
the best thing you could do is
just be in the right habitat and be

416
00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:15.640
still and quiet and very very observant, pay attention, pay close attention.

417
00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:21.039
But it's just not as romantic as
the notion of trying to establish communication or

418
00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:25.319
you know, mimicking them, emulating
them using some secret code that they'll fall

419
00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:29.119
for every time. And so I
get that part of it, but I

420
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:32.200
think a lot of times that's what
people are looking for, is what things

421
00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:36.759
should they do that would be surefire
ways to summon them in. You know,

422
00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:38.599
like Daryl always says, you know, there is no panacea, there

423
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:44.079
is no magic bullet, and you
know, you just get lucky. And

424
00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:47.160
the only way, you know,
in a right place, right time equation.

425
00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:49.160
You try to be in the right
place for as much time as you

426
00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:52.359
can, and maybe you'll get lucky, and that's really the best you can

427
00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:56.039
do. Oh yeah, I totally
agree with that. I've been interacting with

428
00:27:56.079 --> 00:28:02.240
this one gentleman who wants to throw
money at the and there's and I keep

429
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:06.039
telling them there's really no place to
put that money. You're just wasting it,

430
00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:08.319
you know. I mean, you
could send somebody out with twenty bucks

431
00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:12.880
and get the same result as twenty
thousand if he's if that person's in the

432
00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:15.279
right place at the right time.
That's what it comes down to. It's

433
00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:18.119
not a money thing, you know. And of course people with a lot

434
00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:22.079
of money aren't used to hearing that
that your money is no good here.

435
00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:26.039
That doesn't help in any way.
It's just a matter of luck and perseverance.

436
00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:32.160
That's that's really it. So these
people don't like to hear that because

437
00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:34.359
people with money think that money can
solve anything. And for a lot of

438
00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:40.279
things, yeah, it can solve
things like debt. It can solve things

439
00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:44.359
like I need a vehicle or something
like that. But for the most part,

440
00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:47.319
with bigfoot, you know, if
you're out there, but you know,

441
00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:51.039
boots on the ground, you're suddenly
your money is no good. You

442
00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:52.599
know, your money's not good for
anything at all when you're walking on a

443
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:56.799
trail. So it can make you
a lot more comfortable and well fed while

444
00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:02.480
you're sitting waiting for something to happen
and nothing happens exactly. It can help

445
00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:04.359
you pass that time more quickly,
but Yeah, that's what I think.

446
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:07.359
That's one of the things I like
about the woods. It's like when you're

447
00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:10.480
out there, you're off trail,
your bottom of some river, river valley

448
00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:12.440
somewhere, you're you know, you're
going over logs and stuff like that.

449
00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:18.599
Suddenly you know your bank account has
absolutely no bearing on anything whatsoever, nor

450
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:22.079
does the type of car you drive
or how you dress, except for you

451
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:23.480
know, you might be cold or
warm. That's really about it. It's

452
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:27.759
a great equalizer. Certainly agree with
that. Yeah, anyway, so I

453
00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:33.119
thought these conversations I've been having a
couple couple different people with who Someboddy tucked

454
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:37.839
away. I find them enjoyable because
I think I'm correct in this. I

455
00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:41.200
know that Bobo took a disagreed a
few weeks ago or a month or so

456
00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:45.160
ago when we were talking about the
same thing. He thinks that gear and

457
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:48.119
whatever else will solve it. But
gear can't put you close to one.

458
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:52.240
You know, if you're at the
right place at the right time, then

459
00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:56.920
maybe your fancy pants gear will help, but maybe not, because you only

460
00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:02.279
get a couple of seconds worth of
observation to make it happen. So stay

461
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:06.440
tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back

462
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:15.759
after these messages. Oh, speak
of the Devil himself, Bobes, can

463
00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:18.839
you hear us? Yeah? I
got you? Hey, Bobo? How

464
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:22.119
you doing? Man? All right? Sorry that dude. I was driving.

465
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:26.200
I was pulling up to the stoplight
to go over the bridge, and

466
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:29.000
all of a sudden, my phone
just went So I just started. Message

467
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:32.279
after message after message came through.
I tried to call on Prus. I

468
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:34.400
wouldn't even dial out. Earlier I
was trying. I was going, I'll

469
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:37.759
thought we'd do something booked by now, and then I was like, oh,

470
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:40.440
I haven't heard anything. So I
took off and I just got back.

471
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:42.640
Should we should we put the screen
grab of when you agreed to do

472
00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:48.799
this podcast up on the members section
What's up? A couple of days ago.

473
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:53.640
It looks like on at ten oh
five am on Monday, you said

474
00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:57.720
that we were gonna you were okay
to do this podcast? Uh? Well,

475
00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:00.200
the last one I saw said two
there Wednesday's best for us. That

476
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:03.960
I'm wide open then anything else okay. Yeah, though the one right after

477
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:07.400
that, I guess it says,
okay, let's do Wednesday. It doesn't

478
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:10.279
matter. We're here now. Well, Boba, now that you're here,

479
00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:12.240
we were planning on doing a Q
and A at this moment, but Matt

480
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:15.039
and I are just kind of shooting
the poop about various topics and subjects,

481
00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:18.319
et cetera. But since you're here, we have time for a couple of

482
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:22.359
the submissions. We're gonna save the
voicemails for next time, So we're gonna

483
00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:26.519
go straight to the written submissions this
time and see how many of those we

484
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:29.440
can get through for this month,
and then we'll head over to the Patreon

485
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:33.200
section, the member section, uh
to answer all of those questions? Sound

486
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:40.480
good? Yeah, okay, it's
tough to be the Bobes. Also,

487
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:48.160
you don't get this on any other
podcasts. This is gold. Everybody loves

488
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:52.079
this about you, not me.
I kind of have a love hate relationship

489
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:59.759
with it myself, honestly. But
all right, well, anyway, let's

490
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:01.519
go on. Let's take the first
question for our Q and A this week.

491
00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:07.119
This one comes from Brandon cowboc Hey. Guys, Patty's height was calculated

492
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:10.960
by comparing known casts of her foot
to the PG film. Are there any

493
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:15.720
other examples of this? And if
so, what height did they determine the

494
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:20.079
animal to be? Ooh, I
know this one. Take it, yeah,

495
00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:22.920
the Freeman footage, now do you
take it close? Well, now,

496
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:24.839
this was not done with the Framan
footage, because we don't. The

497
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:30.039
Patterson Giblin film, to my knowledge, is the only piece of bigfoot footage

498
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:32.559
that we have that we can see
the entirety of the underside of the foot,

499
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:37.559
the entire planter surface is called,
and you need that in order to

500
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:42.680
make a determination using the casts.
And of course that is rife with error,

501
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.359
by the way, just because of
the fuzzy outline of the foot.

502
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:49.640
And it's not because the film is
fuzzy and out of focus. It's because

503
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:53.839
of the granular size of the footage
itself, of the individual frames. So

504
00:32:53.880 --> 00:33:00.000
there's at least a half inch variability
half inch margin of error on the side

505
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:04.519
of each of those footprints, or
on the side of each of the pictures

506
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.720
of the feet. And you know
that stacks up, say six times well

507
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:13.359
six times one half. I mean
that that kind of adds up pretty quick,

508
00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:15.799
man. So we're talking a pretty
big air on either side of the

509
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:20.000
foot. That adds like maybe six
inches or subtraxi. So we don't know

510
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:22.000
exactly how big Patty is. We
do have a range, though. The

511
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:25.920
range I think it's this point can
safely be said between six and seven feet.

512
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:30.079
I like just to say six and
a half feet because with that plus

513
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:34.480
or minus six inches there it adds
up. Now somebody's out there saying,

514
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:37.440
well, clip six times one half
is three. Yeah, but there's two

515
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:39.880
sides of the foot, right,
so don't forget about that. Don't forget

516
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:43.960
about that. So the give or
takes six inches there. So I say

517
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:46.319
six and a half feet tall because
that seems pretty safe. Now the model

518
00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:51.799
we have in the NABC, because
we have a full size picture of Patty

519
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:55.559
with the cast placed right next to
her foot to show that they are pretty

520
00:33:55.599 --> 00:34:00.400
much the same size. When we
did it here at the museum, she

521
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:02.880
only clocked out be like a like
right at six feet if I remember right

522
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:07.360
now. Of course, that's very
conservative. It's probably the smallest that she

523
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:12.840
is reasonably construed to be. But
at the same time, the point of

524
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:17.159
that exhibit here in the NABC is
how massive she is. She's not very

525
00:34:17.199 --> 00:34:21.199
tall, but she's you know,
thirty one in shoulders or something like that.

526
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:23.639
She is absolutely she is a barrel
walking on two legs. She is

527
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:30.840
absolutely huge, even at the smallest
expected height of the animal. But to

528
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:34.719
my knowledge, to get back to
Brandon's question, there are no other examples

529
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:37.199
of footage that we can do this
with. Well, probably the closest would

530
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:39.960
be the Freeman though. I mean, like, you know, seeing the

531
00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:45.159
subject and the footprints right there.
Yeah, but you can't use the footprints

532
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:49.840
to measure the height of the figure, right, No, that's true.

533
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:53.679
Did it come in close to being
Patty's size your estimations? Right? Yeah,

534
00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:57.320
Yeah, the work I've done at
the site of she's probably about six

535
00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:00.360
six and a half feet tall,
that thing, that the Freeman's thing,

536
00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:05.000
the Freeman figure. But you know, we also don't even have measurements of

537
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:07.679
the footprints in the ground. Paul
didn't put a tape measure down in front.

538
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:09.800
Also, they're measuring no, no, no, no, Paul just

539
00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:15.559
filmed them and kept going. But
we do have two casts from that footage

540
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:21.079
site though, Paul cast one.
Actually, Paul and West Summerlind both cast,

541
00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:23.880
and most people don't know. West
cast one of those things, but

542
00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:29.719
not the same day. Paul and
Wes came back the next day, on

543
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:34.480
the twenty first, of August nineteen
ninety two. I'm gonna say that again.

544
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:37.280
By the way, I've seen once
again, there's this a whole rash

545
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:42.400
of misreporting the date of the Freeman
film as nineteen ninety four. That is,

546
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:46.239
that is not correct. Some bloggers
are out there putting it out there.

547
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:50.079
I saw it on Twitter last week. I kind of held myself back

548
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:53.239
from correcting it. But it's nineteen
ninety two. Everybody thinks it's nineteen ninety

549
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:58.679
four because Doug Hichek made that mistake
in Sasquatch Legend Meat Science. He put

550
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:01.400
that out there as nineteen ninety four. It's nineteen ninety two. August twentieth

551
00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:05.000
is when they filmed it. But
anyway, Paul and West came back on

552
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:10.960
the twenty first with a local TV
station camera crew and they cast footprints at

553
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:15.880
the site. There's actually photographs of
Paul casting these footprints, and we have

554
00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:22.800
that cast, and then there's a
much lesser known cast in the Summerland collection

555
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:25.519
taken at that same time in same
place. I wish they would have cast

556
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:30.360
another ten. They should have cast
another ten. In my opinion, I

557
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:31.880
would have, but you know me, I'm a little obsessive about those things.

558
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:37.920
But anyway, we do have those, but are they the same animal?

559
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:40.800
Almost almost for sure ninety nine percent, But there's always that margin erring.

560
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:45.480
You know, we did not see
we did not get a footprint cast

561
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:51.880
from where that animal was seen walking, So there's always that was it was

562
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:54.119
there two cents of tracks there too, right, No, there's only one,

563
00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:57.639
just one, although Paul did say, oh, I guess there's two

564
00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:00.840
of them now. He said that, And I've had long discussions with Michael

565
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:04.599
Freeman about this. We don't know
why you said that that. There's a

566
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:09.280
couple possible explanations. Okay, maybe
he heard two of them at the same

567
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:12.719
time. Maybe that's true. We
don't really know, can't tell him.

568
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:19.400
The footage now, my recreations at
the site indicate that Paul almost certainly lost

569
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:22.559
sight of the thing because when the
thing walks in front of the trees over

570
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:25.280
to the left, you know,
it pauses behind the trees and looks at

571
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:29.800
Paul and goes over to the left. There's a cut in the camera by

572
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:31.639
the time Paul gets up there.
Again. We don't know how long,

573
00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:35.880
how much times happened there. We
have no idea, there's no way to

574
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:39.559
know that when Paul gets up there
to where the animal actually walked across the

575
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:45.159
road, he's looking in the wrong
direction from where the animal went. He's

576
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:49.159
looking back a little bit further by
that big stump. He's not even looking

577
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:52.360
in the right direction. And then
he eventually finds the animal walking away where

578
00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:55.519
the possible baby lift happens and all
that other stuff. Right, So,

579
00:37:55.639 --> 00:38:00.760
I think Paul lost sight of the
thing and thought there might have been two

580
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:05.800
of them there. But also Michael
tells me that when he saw the animal,

581
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:08.280
and of course there's some discrepancy in
a story too. I think Michael

582
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:10.679
and I have talked about this,
and we think that he kind of chickened

583
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:14.559
out. And for such a big
dude, he was like six foot four,

584
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:16.480
two hundred and eighty pounds, he
was a big, big dude who

585
00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:21.440
wasn't afraid of anything. You know. His initial report had something like the

586
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:23.840
sasquatch was being aggressive at him,
like charged at him or ran at him

587
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:28.480
or did something like that. And
we don't know if that's the case for

588
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:30.320
he's cover and for his he kind
of chickened out, honestly, is what

589
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:35.960
happened. We don't really know what
the thing was, Yeah, because I

590
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:40.840
saw footage. I saw some footage
that way back when the right after that

591
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:46.400
happened, like right around the time
it happened ninety two. That was supposedly

592
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:49.760
I think it was, Yeah,
ray Crow had it. I think it

593
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:52.719
was ray Crow had it. It
must have been some kind of fake or

594
00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:55.400
something. Maybe it was a gorilla
from Africa footage. But it was like

595
00:38:55.480 --> 00:39:00.639
some giant black thing in the brush
comes charging a guy tearing it up and

596
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:04.320
he falls down and goes, oh, you know, it starts like kind

597
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:07.840
of crying. You're like going,
oh no, Like it looked real.

598
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:09.920
It sounded real. I mean it
was pretty intense and I've never seen it

599
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:13.760
since. But we talked to Michael
Freeman. He said, no, that

600
00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:15.559
was definitely not his father. Yeah, there's I don't, I don't.

601
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:20.400
I'm not aware of any footage,
and I'm pretty aware of the Freeman stuff

602
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:22.639
at this point. It would have
came out by how Yeah, there's there's

603
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:27.480
the first Freeman footage. Freeman got
footage. I believed the previous April.

604
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:29.719
I have to check the date,
but I think it was previous April,

605
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:32.840
not that far away. And then
he got the stuff at d Duck Springs

606
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:37.280
in August, so he did get
two pieces of footage. But that first

607
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:39.760
piece of footage really doesn't show very
much. It's with the same camera or

608
00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:43.559
the same kind of camera. Certainly
I think I think it was the same

609
00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:45.920
camera. I could be wrong about
that, but it really doesn't show very

610
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:50.079
much. There's a couple of footprints
in the ground, and really that's about

611
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:52.159
it. That the second one is
really stellar compared to the first one.

612
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:57.039
But yeah, but anyway, when
the thing, Paul reports seeing the thing,

613
00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:00.800
and Michael says that he remembers his
dad talking about a weird hump on

614
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:04.639
its back, almost like it was
miss miss mouth shaping, you know,

615
00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:07.920
of some sort. And now we're
kind of wondering, well, maybe that

616
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:10.159
was a baby, you know,
if the thing is picking up a juvenile,

617
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:14.239
maybe that that's what Paul saw,
and maybe that's what he meant by

618
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:16.480
there's two of them, but we
don't We just don't know. But the

619
00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:20.679
footprints at the site that are on
camera, the stuff that we can take

620
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:23.840
to the bank, the stuff that's
actually on camera seemed to be a known

621
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:30.519
individual, and that same individual is
represented in the footprints that Paul and Wes

622
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:35.559
cast the next day. So that's
what that's what we can take. That's

623
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:38.159
what we know. We'll take that
to the bank. That that seems to

624
00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:42.599
be the same animal that left the
Prince and the fine Duff, which is

625
00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:46.159
almost certainly the same animal that Paul
filmed. But we digress from Brandon's question.

626
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:51.519
Sorry, it's all right, that's
what I think they listen. I

627
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:53.400
think a lot of people listen to
this podcast in order to hear us digress.

628
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:57.199
This is a question that comes in
a lot, and I know it's

629
00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:00.199
been addressed before, but it's been
a long time since either of you have

630
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:04.480
addressed it. So this would be
good for newer listeners and fans of the

631
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:08.039
show. From Steve Lancaster, when
you were getting activity in an area on

632
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:13.000
finding Bigfoot, why did you guys
go to another location? Because we had

633
00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:15.840
to book everything in advance, and
you had to have film permits for certain

634
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:22.639
days, and because you can't just
show up and like get eighteen hotel rooms

635
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:28.079
and six SUVs in some small podunk, little regional airport like we're usually be

636
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:31.519
based out of somewhere like that,
and it's just logistics. So it's strictly

637
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:35.599
logistics because we were We couldn't believe
it at first. We were like,

638
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:37.559
we got in here, let's go, well, let's go get them right

639
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:42.679
now while we leave them. But
yeah, it's it sounds it sounds like

640
00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:45.920
stupid, but it's reality is you
had to do it that way if you're

641
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:49.679
going to be on the road.
Yeah, every one of the episodes that

642
00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:53.199
we filmed what was being planned to
some degree for at least three months before

643
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:58.639
we put boots on the ground.
They generally tried to get together a day

644
00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:01.960
by day schedule. But after the
first season of Finding Bigfoot was done,

645
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:06.039
and you know, we kind of
you know, got things going in the

646
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:08.519
Bigfoot direction as opposed to just making
television, which is kind of what they

647
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:10.840
were expecting, I think for a
long time. You know, once they

648
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:15.480
started seeing and we both both parties, the Bigfooters and the TV production company,

649
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:20.960
once both parties started seeing what the
other one needed, they became much

650
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:23.280
more flexible with us, and we
really appreciate it. You know. Of

651
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:27.719
course, you know, we still
butted heads and stuff like that, but

652
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:30.159
I think that we made a great
show because of that, because the production

653
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:36.519
company was willing to set aside what
they normally do to make television and be

654
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:39.559
a little bit more flexible. But
generally speaking, things are planned out day

655
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:42.679
by day. You have a certain
number of days to be there, and

656
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:45.639
there's a ton of money writing on
that episode. I mean, I don't

657
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:50.360
know how much they cost, but
several I think it's safe to say that

658
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:53.599
each episode probably costs several hundred thousand
dollars then about four and fifty thousand per

659
00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:58.000
episode. But half of that was
supposed to be for like post you know,

660
00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:00.719
all the editing and sound and all
that stuff, right, right,

661
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:04.960
So whatever the number is, it's
huge, right, So, and our

662
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:08.079
production companies are scared because they're there. Their network overlords have given them this

663
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:12.800
giant chunk of money to make them
happy. So everything's planned out really well.

664
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:15.800
Now. Of course, the finding
Bigfoot thing, because we were so

665
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:20.920
stubborn and because the Bigfooters were just
so disagreeable and personality, we kind of

666
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:22.320
had our way a little bit more
than perhaps I think a lot of other

667
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:27.599
TV shows. If you're filming in
a house somewhere you know, or in

668
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:30.239
like a ghost show, for example. I have no idea if there've been

669
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:32.159
on a ghost shoot, I don't
know, but we had our way a

670
00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:37.880
little bit more. So we eventually
got softened softened up the production company to

671
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:42.480
the point where, say, like
at a town hall meeting, if somebody

672
00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:45.039
showed up with a picture or a
footprint, cast or some amazing story that

673
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:50.440
we're super excited to be involved in, they would actually let us do those

674
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:52.360
things instead of the one or two
ringers that we had in the audience in

675
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:55.519
case nobody else could showed up,
because no matter what, we had to

676
00:43:55.519 --> 00:44:00.719
make a show. So we'd raid
the BFROO database or Bobo's friends or my

677
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:04.880
database, and then we make sure
that we had enough witnesses so we can

678
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:07.519
film a show no matter what.
But if somebody showed up, that was

679
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:12.440
even better. We'd bump somebody and
take them instead. And that is a

680
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:16.480
huge degree of flexibility. But still
nothing is so flexible that like, Okay,

681
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:19.920
well, you know what, we're
supposed to go to West Virginia next

682
00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:22.800
week, Let's just forget about that
and stay at the spot an extra few

683
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:28.159
days. You can't do that.
You just can't do that because the money

684
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:31.639
and the expectations, and the fact
that all of the production schedule had already

685
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:37.840
been more or less planned out with
some wiggle room in there three months ahead

686
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:40.159
of time. So that's pretty much
why. Because at the end of the

687
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:45.239
day, Finding Bigfoot isn't bigfooting.
It's a TV show about some bigfooters kind

688
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:49.199
of. That's really what it comes
down to. It's a TV show first

689
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:53.679
and foremost made by a TV show
network, by a TV show production company

690
00:44:54.039 --> 00:45:00.960
for TV viewers. If you want
bigfooting, go bigfooting. But we did

691
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:02.320
a pretty good job at it.
I'd say, I mean, I I

692
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:07.719
don't like TV, but I mean, I mean I laugh at some of

693
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:09.760
our TV shows now because it's been
so long, I don't. I don't.

694
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:13.239
I can't remember like, oh,
you know, like Bobo was being

695
00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:15.320
a jerk that to me that episode
or something. You know, I was

696
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:16.239
like, I don't think of it
like that anymore. You know. I

697
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:20.079
was never a jerk to you.
No, No, you never were.

698
00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:22.360
But I mean I didn't want to
pick on money Maker or Ana either,

699
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:24.440
so I just said you it was
most like it was most likely Moneymaker or

700
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:29.639
Renee. I'm just teasing. But
but nonetheless, I don't. I don't

701
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:31.599
look at the I'm not close enough
to the episodes now that I can look

702
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:36.199
at it and go, oh that
that one sucked because of this or something

703
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:38.119
like that. You know now now
they're just funny. They're a lot funnier

704
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:45.159
than I remember them being. You're
welcome. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and

705
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:54.000
Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Will
be right back after these messages. This

706
00:45:54.079 --> 00:46:00.760
next question comes from Mike Carey.
Hello there, y'all. Love the show,

707
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:02.960
and yes, I am a believer. As a child, my family

708
00:46:04.039 --> 00:46:07.159
camped at what I think was tish
Tang campground. I remember a fish lake

709
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:14.000
near Hoopa, California. Indigenous people
at the nearby store said that they never

710
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:17.199
go there because there is something odd
about it. Do you know this area?

711
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:21.480
Is there a fish lake? Do
you know if the Indigenous people have

712
00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:25.480
an area they are freaked out by? Up there? Are there areas there

713
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:30.880
that y'all won would not go to. Again, Love the show and keep

714
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:35.880
it squatchy, Yeah, I mean
tish Tang's definitely. That's the very southern

715
00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:38.000
border of Hoopa. When you go
on the reservations coming up from Willakirk.

716
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:43.880
It's a killer campground. I love
that spot. It's beautiful. They cleaned

717
00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:45.320
it up a lot. It's anchor. The guy was on the show with

718
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:50.199
us. His daughter runs it and
they did a good job of keeping it

719
00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:52.840
cleaned up. And it's usually empty. I mean it's usually pretty empty,

720
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:55.960
and you can access there's a killer
swimming spot. There's a big swimming hole

721
00:46:57.000 --> 00:46:59.719
in a rock you can jump off, and yeah, I love that.

722
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:05.679
And that's also where Al Hotston cast
in also nineteen ninety two. I think

723
00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:07.320
it was ninety two, Yeah,
i'll cast or was it eighty eight?

724
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:10.039
Shit, I can't remember. It
was tier eighty eight or ninety two,

725
00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:15.239
but anyways, that was the cast. I got a cast copy from him,

726
00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:21.639
and that was the print that the
that was the model for my big

727
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:24.559
foot print tattoo on my arm.
Was that cast from tish Tang? You

728
00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:28.880
have a copy of that print?
I did. You don't know what happened

729
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:32.159
to it, that's gone. Oh
that's unfortunate. I didn't even know they

730
00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:35.320
made molds of it. Then,
Yeah, I've seen that cast. Of

731
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:38.199
course it was a sand copy.
Oh okay, right, that makes sense.

732
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:40.519
Yeah, the eighty nine, by
the way, I'm just looking it

733
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:45.280
up. That's nineteen eighty nine.
Oh okay, yeah. So but yeah,

734
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:46.719
the Indians were afraid to go there
for a long time because about three

735
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:51.559
hundred years ago, there was a
chieftain. They had like seven villages and

736
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:55.320
that was the furthest one south and
the headman of that village. You know,

737
00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:58.719
it was a small little village,
a couple of whatever families. They

738
00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:04.039
had seven seven I think girls live
there, and supposedly sasquatches came in raided

739
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:07.840
the place kidnapped all seven of the
girls and that's why Tishtang was abandoned and

740
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:10.719
no one lived there for I mean, no one's still no one lives there.

741
00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:15.039
Well, Eager's daughter lives there,
but other than that, no one

742
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:19.119
lives there. Beautiful area, the
good swimming hole fish Like, yeah,

743
00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:22.039
that's that's definitely squatchy. Ut there's
been there's stuff still reported out of there.

744
00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:25.400
I mean that's a pretty consistent spot. There's just always people camping.

745
00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:28.800
There's the problem, like you just
feel a sneaking there in the winter,

746
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:30.320
like when they close the gates because
there's like three miles from the road,

747
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:34.760
you can cruise in there and have
it all to yourself. But there's always

748
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:38.719
people in there now, Like there's
always like illegal campers and people fishing in

749
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:42.800
there because they stock it. It
is a great campsite though. I mean

750
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:45.159
even when there are people there,
there are sasquatches around. Just said,

751
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:47.800
I wouldn't go around knocking and calling. It's disrespectful to the other people.

752
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:52.800
You don't need to there either.
I think it's counterproductive of that spot.

753
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:54.760
Yeah, there's that road that goes
around the whole thing. I'd love to

754
00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:58.239
walk that road tonight. I'd never
have. You haven't, Yeah, you

755
00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:00.639
have. No, I've never walked
the entire around the entire lake at night

756
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:06.440
on that road. I I've done
that quite a few times. No,

757
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:08.679
I never have, because I mean, I mean I used to camp at

758
00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:13.360
fish Fish Lake if after long like
a twelve hour drive up there when I

759
00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:16.119
lived in Long Beach or whatever.
But nowadays you know now that it's only

760
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:20.480
like seven hours away or something.
If there's somebody staying there, I just

761
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:22.360
won't stay there. I know too
many other spots in the area. I

762
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:27.679
don't sit there in probably fifteen years. But it's a cool spot. I

763
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:30.679
like. The whole area around there
was great. Yeah, when I was

764
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:35.480
a bluff last time, which I
think was a year ago, September or

765
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:37.360
something like that, it's the last
time I made it down to Bluff Creek.

766
00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:40.679
I did drop by there. I
didn't camp there because two of the

767
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:43.960
camp sites it might be there's kind
of a lot of campsites. I mean

768
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:47.519
how many boats, probably one hundred
or eighty fifty maybe what at fish Lake?

769
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:52.559
Yeah, I think there's sixty or
something like that. Okay, right

770
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:54.519
in there. Yeah, two of
them were occupied, and that was too

771
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:59.119
much for me. And talk about
history. That that wasn't Irwin? What

772
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:01.360
it was that Guy Erlin? You
know, I just found an article on

773
00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:05.519
him. No really, yeah,
well, I mean he's in the article

774
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:10.199
about Bigfoot. Yeah. I was
helping out the Humble Historical Society and we

775
00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:15.679
got like thirty five years of back
or thirty years of back newspapers from the

776
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:22.159
time standard. They were getting rid
of all their old puplicate copies and there

777
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:24.800
was just a warehouse of this stuff. So I was helping go through those

778
00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:29.440
and I found a couple of big
Foot articles. I found the stuff from

779
00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:31.159
two thousand and seven, the thing
we threw it will look quick remember for

780
00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:36.239
the fortieth anniversary. Oh yeah,
yeah, that was that was in there,

781
00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:42.079
and then an article related to that. Irwin was in there, and

782
00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:45.679
they had his age wrong and had
some of the story wrong. With Yeah,

783
00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:50.199
it's uh, he was. They
mentioned him in there and he was

784
00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:52.880
talking about fish Lake. That's where
he brought up, like fish Lake.

785
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:55.440
I've seen him there twice and I've
heard him there many times. So yeah,

786
00:50:55.519 --> 00:51:00.519
it goes way back. I hope
you saved those Yeah, I did.

787
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:04.280
That's cool. That's really cool.
They have a picture of them.

788
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:07.280
No, no, okay, yeah, because as I've only heard of that

789
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:09.280
dude through you. Yeah, but
I was spelling his name wrong the whole

790
00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:13.679
time. It was E R W
I N. Well how cool is that?

791
00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:15.800
Though? That's neat? Yeah,
I was stoked. I was like,

792
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:20.320
no way, there's ever one.
All right, well, next question?

793
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:22.679
All right, we got our next
question from Steve Wood. How the

794
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:25.920
world do you guys separate the wheat
from the chaff when it comes to reports?

795
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:30.519
After listening to hundreds, I'm reasonably
certain I could put one together.

796
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:32.960
Must be an absolute minefield. Do
you have my sympathy? And you were

797
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:37.320
one hundred percent right. It's gotten
way easier to write. I mean,

798
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:39.880
if you want to make a fake
report, it's pretty easy. That's why

799
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:43.440
you got to talk to the person
a few times and hopefully go to the

800
00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:45.800
spot with them. But Yeah,
people that just take reports over the internet,

801
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:49.079
it's rough. I mean, even
if you go onto the site,

802
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:52.920
you know, there they could be
mistaken what they saw and like just talking

803
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:57.840
soults inding like they're absolutely positive what
they saw that they really weren't or Yeah.

804
00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:00.199
That's why I guess Cliff doesn't focus
on reports too much unless there's footprints

805
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:06.199
or other evidence. Yeah, that's
my My approach is that, yeah,

806
00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:09.480
okay, so you say you saw
one. Great, now what you know

807
00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:13.960
and like? And I understand that, you know, seeing a sasquatch is

808
00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:15.360
a big deal for the person who
saw it, et cetera. But for

809
00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:20.159
me, it's just another one of
the several thousand people I've spoken to that

810
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:23.519
say they did see one and I
don't know if they did. To you

811
00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:27.280
know, to use Matt Pruit's terminology, it's a claim. It's like,

812
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:30.360
all right, who cares? I'd
love Tom Powell. Been thinking a lot

813
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:32.000
about Tom Powell late length, by
the way, because Tom singers like,

814
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:37.800
oh you saw a sasquatch. Guess
what, nobody cares. I love that

815
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:39.599
attitude. I don't necessarily exactly agree
with it, because I do think that

816
00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:45.800
time and when and where is important
has some level of importance to it,

817
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:49.400
but generally speaking, yeah, I
don't know if you're lying. How would

818
00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:51.559
I know if you're lying? I
mean, body language tells me a little

819
00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:53.119
bit, because I did teach ten
year olds after a while. I was

820
00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:57.719
a fifth grade teacher for a lot
of my career, and basically everybody is

821
00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:00.480
still ten years old in one way
or another. But still, Okay,

822
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:04.880
So you saw a bigfoot, that's
great, Okay, when and where cool?

823
00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:07.480
I know that spot or I didn't
know that spot, And we'll see

824
00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:10.679
if other people corroborate that. Because
if a group of Sassquatches is in the

825
00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:14.679
area, it is my opinion they
stay in that area, and it's also

826
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:19.159
my expectation I suppose that eventually somebody
else will see one they're too. We'll

827
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:21.840
see if that happens, and if
it doesn't, then that's I mean,

828
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:24.800
that spot may not be something I
want to look into anyway, you know,

829
00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:28.519
unless it's really local and it's easy
for me to get into, you

830
00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:30.239
know, in which case I'll be
all over it. But I don't know.

831
00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:34.519
You tell me you saw one in
northern Washington somewhere. It's like,

832
00:53:34.519 --> 00:53:36.800
what am I going to do about
it, so, yes, Steve,

833
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:40.559
I guess if the Cliffs perspective is
just don't put too much importance on any

834
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:45.480
given sighting unless there's physical evidence associated
with it. Anything else to add not

835
00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:50.800
really Okay in that case, let's
go to the last question of this day.

836
00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:55.639
This comes from Gary White. Did
you hear about the one hundred thousand

837
00:53:55.719 --> 00:54:00.280
chinook salmon dumped into a river in
Northeast Oregon? Sounds like a big foot

838
00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:05.639
buffet. I did hear about that? Yeah, I mean too, Yeah,

839
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:07.679
I thought that was kind of interesting. It's say, well, that's

840
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:09.559
what an interesting experiment that might turn
out to be, you know, five

841
00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:14.119
to eight years down the line,
when the salmon are returning. Pretty cool,

842
00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:16.000
Pretty cool. I mean, as
far as mistakes go, I think

843
00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:19.760
that's a pretty good mistake to make. I don't know if they'd bond that

844
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:22.199
creek though, I mean, I
don't know if they would or not.

845
00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:27.079
I'm sure they're just fingerlings right like
they were planting. Uh huh, I'm

846
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:30.960
sure of it. Yeah. Yeah, So I thought that they're like chemically

847
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:35.400
bonded like a certain creek, Like
it's in their genetics, like that's where

848
00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:37.679
they're going to head. I don't
know. I just I don't know.

849
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:40.119
I don't know if that's true or
not. Yeah, so I guess that's

850
00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:44.239
part of the experiment, maybe because
there's got to be some marine biologists or

851
00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:47.079
you know, fish biologists of some
sort that would be kind of fascinated with

852
00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:51.000
that question, like if that's true. And I don't know if that's true

853
00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:52.719
or not. I mean, I
just assume it is for the sake argument.

854
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:57.480
If that is true, how cool
would that be to see how many

855
00:54:57.519 --> 00:54:59.960
fish return? Well, I know
they've done stuff like that where they took

856
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:05.719
salmon that were from this creek,
whatever, stream or river and they needed

857
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:08.079
to replenish somewhere else, like there's
an oil spit whatever whatever, I mean,

858
00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:12.119
something like that, and they put
them there. Then the offspring of

859
00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:16.199
them still go to where the parents
were spawned, usually like more than not.

860
00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:19.920
Well, we'll see what happens when
they might have just started a new

861
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:22.119
salmon run some river somewhere, who
knows. But anyway, back to the

862
00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:28.119
bigfoot side of this question, do
you think a bigfoot buffet or probably more

863
00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:30.719
of a bird buffet than anything.
Yeah, I think just everything's going to

864
00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:36.039
exploit that. Oh yeah, yeah, they they need poor little salmonids that

865
00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:39.800
do make it through good luck returning. Hope you do right, Yeah,

866
00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:43.840
we'll see. I forgot the end
of that creek. Yeah, I forgot

867
00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:45.840
it too. I saw a picture
of the truck rolled, but I didn't.

868
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:47.440
I don't don't remember the name of
it. Yeah, I think the

869
00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:50.679
article I saw, though. I
love the way they did it. They

870
00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:53.000
framed it as bad news, good
news, bad news like bad news,

871
00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:59.119
truck accident, you know, one
hundred thousand salmon, you know, truck

872
00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:01.719
accident, blah blah. Good news
it rolled over to creek, you know,

873
00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:06.000
bad news like a lot of the
fish died. Good news, a

874
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:07.239
lot of them are going to live, you know. So it was kind

875
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:10.920
of a funny way they presented it, right. So that's a last question

876
00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:14.280
there. Thank you for all that, by the way, and we'll get

877
00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:16.559
to the voicemails next time we do
this next month. Here. Thank you

878
00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:21.800
for everybody for submitting questions. If
you would like your question answered, If

879
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:23.639
you have some sort of question that's
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880
00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:27.119
that you got to ask Cliff and
Bobo, well, feel free to do

881
00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:30.760
so. You can either go to
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882
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:35.119
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883
00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:37.840
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884
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885
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886
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887
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888
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889
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890
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895
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896
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897
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898
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899
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button and it'll it'll answer all your
prayers, all right. It was a

900
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:50.440
local creek going to the im Naja
River in Northeast Ore. Again. Good

901
00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:52.840
luck, little guys. Yeah,
hope you make it all right, folks.

902
00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:55.480
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903
00:57:55.519 --> 00:58:00.039
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904
00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:07.000
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905
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:15.840
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906
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