Welcome to Open Minds Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former official spokesperson for
the Mutual UFO Network. Alejandro who's been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalists for
nearly a decade and has long hours in the field investigating the paranormal up close
and personal, and now Open Minds Radio presents evidence in the latest news regarding
the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello, and welcome
to open mind Radio, your UFO news authority all around the world. We're
international, we cover news from everywhere. We've been talking a lot about China,
England. It's just awesome how we're able to do that. Today's guest
is super cool. Her name is Debbie Ziegelmeyer. She's the sister to my
buddy Chuck Zukowski, who I've had on a couple times, and she's my
too, of course. And you can see some pictures, you know,
if you've looked online and seen us at the Debris Syite Chuck and Debbie and
the Open Minds crew at least some of us. So we had a lot
of fun out there with her. But she helped found really she did mostly
herself to be honest. She helped found the Moufon Dive Team, which is
pretty cool. Essentially, she's a dive instructor and they put this together so
they can go dive under the ocean or large lakes, because there have been
situations with the Great Lakes like you've heard on the show before, of possible
UFOs under the water, so they could go down there and check it out.
So she's gonna tell us about that certification she did for the Moufon Dive
Team and some of that stuff really interesting and cool stuff. She's also the
state director for Moufon in Missouri and they've got some interesting stuff out there.
She's been part of Ted Phillips group and investigating the Marley Woods, which is
a mysterious place kind of like the ranch in Utah we've talked about, where
there's lots of weird stuff going on, like lights in the forest and things
like that, people reportedly seeing beings coming in and out of portals. She's
also got some other mysterious areas out there and they've had a flap a lot
of orange UFOs being seen lately, similar to what's been happening in the UK.
Although they've been saying that those are Chinese lanterns. Interesting enough, and
I'm excited to talk about this because just like a good Moufon researcher should do.
Debbie was able to find some information about that as well, and we'll
talk more about that. So she's a great researcher, great person. We'll
have her on in a little bit. And speaking of Moufon, we just
got back from the Mutual UFO Network Symposium which was held this weekend. Got
to see some of my buddies and happy to say there's all always rumors about
move On because of course, like the interest says, I used to be
the spokesperson for them, so i'd get, you know, all kinds of
crazy questions asked of me about the group, So there's always some kind of
controversy with them, just because there's the largest group. I think that's just
the issue, is that they're so big and everybody expects so much out of
them that it's hard to please everyone. But you know what, despite whatever
rumors are going on right now, they're running really strong. They've got a
good leadership. There's been some changes, a few slight changes, some additions,
some people moving on, and we're going to talk to more of their
leadership as well some of the other business board members, the group that really
runs move On. We'll be talking to them on our show very soon.
I've been talking to them about that. In fact, I've probably had on
my show the most move On board members than any other show, and people
don't realize that there is this board that really runs a lot of what goes
on with moufan at their headquarters. So that's going to be a lot of
fun talking to more of them. Clifford Cliff who we've had on the show,
and you all know he was a lot of fun. He's just a
really funny and nice guy. So it was really cool to have him m
seeing the awards ceremonies and giving out awards and they're MC by the way,
for the symposium for the last six years or something has been John Greenwald who
runs Blackbolt dot com, and that was a lot of fun too. You'll
be able to see pictures and you can actually hear some of our shows on
black Bolt Radio. He invited us to put some shows up there, so
a lot of fun. Speaking of fun, the UFO Congress this year,
we had a lot of questions about the Congress, how it's going to go,
where it's going to be. It's going to be in Phoenix, as
you all know, in the Phoenix metro area, in a place called Fort
McDowell on the Yabapie Niche and Indian Reservation, a beautiful place, and people
were really excited about that. It's gonna be a lot of fun. So
hang type people, you're gonna be able to get a lot more information and
see our cool new UFO Congress website really soon here. That's at Ufocongress dot
com. And if you ever have any confusion about what's who and who's what,
you can go to Openminds dot tv, where you're gonna find, among
other things, UFOs in the news. So there's a lot of news on
UFOs all around the world, and we have our news correspondent Jason McClellan here
to tell us more about what's going down. Greetings Alejandro, greetings my friend,
Hello Phoenix, and hello world. This is your Open Minds News brief
for Monday, July twenty sixth, twenty ten. MSN reported the UFO spotted
over the Tron Beach resort of Malaysia last week. The object was witnessed by
several resort staff members, and was described as floating and emitting a blue and
green light. Then the object vanished in the blink of an eye. Some
witnesses claim to have captured images of the object on their cell phones, while
others claim that when they attempted to capture the object on their phones, the
phones mysteriously went dead. And Alejandro, this seems to happen not regularly,
but it does happen sometimes with people capturing trying to capture a UFO on video
cameras on phones. We've seen a lot of anomalies with video cameras on the
actual video, but then the cameras shutting down and then starting up again.
Yeah, you know, of course, this is one of the things that
spans with other paranormal research, where you're in areas of high activity where the
batteries die. But I have heard over and over again in reports and investigations
that even though a UFO may seem like miles away, that somehow it knows
when you're trying to videotape it, and it won't let you. It'll zip
away, or the cameras won't work. And I mean that sounds extraordinary,
doesn't sound possible, but when you see so many of these reports, you
know, it's got to make you wonder. It seems to happen, you
know, more than just the random occurrence every once in a while. Yeah,
I personally believe there's something to it. It's fascinating crop circles. A
three D crop circle appeared in the UK on clay Hill and Warminster last week.
The sophisticated design is two hundred feet wide and when viewed from above,
an optical illusion gives the design a three D effect. This crop circle is
now being linked to UFO activity. Apparently, orange lights in the sky were
observed by multiple witnesses on the night before the crop circle appeared. Hmm,
yeah, bouts of balls of lights and things with the crop circles, and
it's what the heck's going on with those? You never know what's going on
with those UFOs. CBS Report printed a story from Discover magazine last week to
suggests how extraterrestrials might be trying to contact US. Groups like SETI, the
Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence here on Earth that listen for signals from extraterrestrials are often
strapped for cash and operate with very small budgets. This article from Discover magazine
suggests that the notion perhaps extraterrestrials who may be trying to send to signals,
they might be strapped for cash themselves. They might be starving scientists aliens,
and they could be trying to use a more budget friendly method to try to
contact us. The article suggests that budget conscious extraterrestrial scientists would probably be selective
in their broadcast, limiting their transmission to frequencies with less astronomical background noise,
and sending only short pulses rather than energy hogging continuous broadcasts. It's so funny
because really at the comic Con here in Phoenix, you know, we had
the scientist Paul Davies and Shostak, and they're thinking fiscally, you know,
around this, which of course SETI. They even though it sounds like great
task because they have millions of dollars, really they have to think fiscally and
how they spend their energy. So they're thinking a lot of how aliens would
spend their energy, and how like you're saying, you would want to do
short bursts so they can save their energy so they're not spending too much.
So they don't get too high of an electrical bill, you know, but
I really like seeing this. This is refreshing to me because again we we've
talked about it before. But the I think there's an overgeneralization with extraterrestrials.
There's there seems to more often than not, be this assumption that they must
be super technologically advanced and perfect in every way. And recently, and you
know, Stephen Hawking also with his comments comparing aliens to humans, thinking what
would we do if we were out there looking at other worlds? And you
know, it's I think it's a fresh approach thinking that, you know,
don't overgeneralize it. Not all extraterrestrials are going to be the same. They're
not going to do so, I don't know, it's fresh and at least
they're thinking about it and really spending time to talk about it. I think
that's really cool. But I mean, they're going to be technologically so further
along that I think some of these type of ideas it's worth talking about,
but they're awfully terrestrial and not absolutely absolutely contemporary. Well, speaking of comic
Con, last week, at Comic Con in San Diego, Sony unveiled its
new film Battle Los Angeles, based on the nineteen forty two air raid where
a UFO allegedly appeared over the city of Los Angeles, initiating air raid sirens
and the firing of more than fourteen hundred anti aircraft shells. Battle Los Angeles
is scheduled for release next year. That sounds like a cool movie. Well,
it looks cool, though it's going to be like, it's not going
to be about the nineteen forty two incident. It's going to be about it's
going to be modern day. But I guess they're going to refer to some
of the old incident. I think so, and I think they might have
some real footage from the nineteen forty two incidents under the footage. I don't
know how they got that wow, but I could tell they took liberties because
they were talking about their creative process when they went when they tried to figure
out how they were going to design the alien. Yeah. Right, there
wasn't any contact with an alien. But we do have in our magazine an
article written by Richard Dolan on nineteen forty two with some cool graphics. So
that's going to be out in the stores in the next couple of weeks,
and of course you can get in online. Absolutely I have more news a
Lejandro, but I'll wrap it up and remind people you've got time for one
more to do it. You can squeeze it in, all right. We've
been following the story of the airport in China that shut down after seeing a
u UFO and its airspace a couple of weeks ago. Investigations. I've yet
to determine what exactly was in the skies above the airport, but what officials
have determined is precisely what you and I were talking about last week, Alejandro.
I was photo that was circulating around the internet. Everybody was saying,
oh, this is the object that was above the airport. It was nothing
more than an airplane, right, figured that out, which is what it
looked. I had nothing to do with that incident, but this particular incident,
the particular object that was above the airport, they still have no idea
what it was, still a complete unknown. So don't get confused with those
stories people. They still don't know what's going on. Now, that's right.
We'll follow the story and post off days on Open Mindes dot tv and
you can read more about these stories and more at open mindes dot tv,
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Talk Radio eleven hundred. All right, welcome back to Open Minds Radio,
your UFO news authority, and I believe we have the Queen of Eupology,
the new Queen of Uthology. That's what I'm gonna name you, Debbie,
Debbie's egel Meyer. How are you doing just fine? Fine? Yeah?
Right, it's really early out there, huh Yeah? Where I am?
Jay, Yeah, So le's get a little bit of re in the wee
little minutes of the morning, that's okay, or late hours, I guess,
opending on where you are. Yeah. Well, thanks for hanging in
there for us and being on the show. So I want to talk about
some of the cool stuff you've done, which you know, mounts every day.
But the dive team and now I don't know is to move on dive
team like officially still going or anything. Well, the dive team was we
saw it the dive team about oh, I guess four or five years ago
and I just spoke with Cliffer Cliff, the international director for MUFON and we're
discussing how to actually reorganize it and bring it back. Awesome what I what
I had were divers from I had about forty five divers volunteers from a far
north of Alastown as far south as Saint Thomas, and lots of people interested
in help out. Cool. So what did that entail? I mean you
had a whole certain certification program to get on this team. Well no,
actually, our our initial team I trained the first underwater UFOL Search and Recovery
class and it was very did it at the Korean Raala. We had a
dozen graduates from Anthonty. It's patty certified and actually was a navigation in search
of Recovery patty certified, and then gave them a certificate for the UFO such
recovery course and the volunteers were have to be certified divers and they were.
Basically, when you're a diver, it's good to know the terrain that you're
in, you know, because your water, your dive shops and that type
of thing. Back of shore supports plus some additional helping the water. Divers
don't dive unless they dive in pairs, and so we have volunteers to help
out across the country. Cool. So, did you like take one of
the secret UFOs as the move on underground vault and throw it in the water
and have them recover it? No? Actually, what we did was we
took ten foot in diameter satellite dish, put legs on it and painted it
floor us and and dropped it thirty foot down in very cold water and a
quarry to get a training choya a diving training quarry and worked very well.
We did that, and we hid different things across the cory and and had
eight dives over two days and had these individuals playing them and women. They
did a very good job. Wow, that's the UFO is still there?
It is? Yes, it is, so it's still there for you to
continue your training. Yes, and I guess it's still in the traction there
in the quarry for any other divers that want to go down and see it.
Oh, neat that's really cool. So with the dive team or just
as a move one investigator. Have you ever got to go do a dive
investigation? Came close a couple of times and it ended up that they found
out what it was ahead of time. I'd like to head the Puerto Rico.
There's a lot of shallow water in and around Puerto Rico, around the
reef where things have been sighted. The problem we have right now is a
lot of the craft coming in out of water have been extremely deep, way
decent. Then a certified divert can go down to but one in five UFO
or unidentified craft sightings the reporter are reported in and around water, and there's
a lot of ponds, there's a lot of rivers, lakes. There's no
reason why there shouldn't be somebody looking for trace evidence in these areas. I
have all the equipments or not. I have a substantial amount of equipment to
help me look for trace evidence and a lot of volunteers. So we're hopeful.
We're trying to get reorganized. Yeah, isn't it a high percentage of
UFO sightings that have to do with with a body of water. Yes,
well yeah, one in five Wow, five are water related. Mm hmm,
that's cool. Likeily, I talked to Carl find to do just the
underwater UFO H Steph. He was at the move On symposium, so were
you, So hopefully i'll have him ontoon. I'm excited about that. I'm
hoping we can get together and get organized and get something done. Yeah,
they need to outfit you with a deep water submarine. Then well, I
have eyes of equipment. I have an LED screen and with a little cook
to a little camera with one hundred and fifty foot of cords so I can
see hundred and fifty foot down. I'm also a Patty scuba instructor and I'm
certified to one hundred and thirty feet, although I have been farther down.
I have an underwater midlitector sonar video camera, a couple of different kinds of
regular digital still shot film, a couple of different kinds of cameras, and
a lot of interesting equipment. We're able to go down and search and if
there's something down there, I have a recomfident that that we'll be able to
find something if if we get the opportunity cool, well, contact us.
It may not necessarily be a UFO, but at least right answers the question.
Yeah, so you can contact Open mindset TV or move on. If
you know of something out there any of you listeners that perhaps needs to be
investigated, that is under the water, under the sea exactly if you want
to contact moufon Missouri. Were at obvious moufon Missouri dot org. Okay,
perfect is our website. Now getting into some of the other more exciting things
you do in just a minute. But I wanted to talk about what got
you interested in UFO investigation. Oh well, good question. I have no
idea. I grew up in Arizona. Uh huh, I grew up.
I grew up in Stafford, Arizona, and we had just a a brilliant
night time sky and my brother, Checkikalski and I used to go out and
just stargates. We both always had telescopes, and I'm kind of from there.
I guess. You know, if you look at the sky and you
start to wonder, and especially a nice sky, and then you see,
you know, things that you're not sure of, and that's kind of how
it started, you know, I started seeing things, you know, and
then now you know a lot of bad life. But I have seen some
things that I really can't explain. So I think probably the answer to the
question is I want to know what the truth is, and the only way
to hunt for the truth is to seek it. Now, how long have
you been a move On Investigator? About? Only about ten years? I
was involved raising a family before that, and I I did do independent investigating
on my own for at least ten years before that, but officially move On
investigator for ten years. Wow, so you've still twenty years. And I
know you're an extremely busy person with several businesses. Uh an award winning olympiad
as a child or for a child, right, I guess that's get you
let the cat out the bag there. Yeah, my daughter's a two time
Winter Olympic medalist, so I was Olympic mom for several years. Yeah.
So a short truck speak. So it's incredibly fine time to do all of
this. Oh, I set my watch to twenty five hours. You can
do that. I need one of those watches. Although that extra hour I
would sleep. Yeah, how about you that tonight? I got in here
into Orlando at four o'clock this morning, peek. So you're, as usual,
very busy. I know one of the cases that you looked into out
there was the Marley Woods, and maybe you can describe to the audience a
little bit of what happened or some of the mystery and and why the woods
are special Marley Woods. That's an investigation Sad Philips has been working on since
nineteen ninety eight at least. And what they have is there's ongoing I guess,
some kind of a phenomenon. I guess is the best way to describe
it. There's been everything from mysterious lights in the sky. We've got to
take a break real quick and we'll get into the Marley Woods right after this,
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Alejandro Rojas. Hello and welcome back. Don't forget At openminds dot tv.
You can go watch us live. You can see a lovely picture that I
took of Debbie in Roswell, and you can also chat and ask some questions.
So we got some chatters online. Now, thanks for joining us,
and we're back. We were talking about the mysterious Marley Woods before I had
to cut you off. Sorry about that. Oh that's okay. I mean
we're talking about some of the strange phenomena there, all right. I was
fortunate enough, fortunate enough to work on that site with Ted Phillips for a
little over a year. There's been a mysterious light, there's a back years
ago, there's a possible crash site, a landing site. They've had I
guess, reports of strange entities. It's it's basically an ongoing investigation and ongoing
live I guess series of phenomenon going on there. So I mean it's basically
research there. There's constant research that could be going on, and it's a
mysterious place. Nobody knows why or you know exactly what is going on,
but they're they're gathering a lot of information and so maybe someday we could find
out what what makes that area so special. It's it seems like people are
discovering more and more of these areas. You know, we had the Utah
Ranch, the Skinwalker ranch out there that the NID to people, big loads
people looked into. We've got Marley Woods, which is probably the next one
that came along. And then there's a place in Oregon that people have been
talking about. I know Angela Joyner on Hotel radio show has been talking about
this, and I think was it you who also found a second site out
there in Missouri? You know as muflin State director of Missouri. I'm surprised
at how many reports of strange lights that I get that are across southern Missouri.
And then the very seems to be a very active area. There's also
been the Joplin spook flight that's been around for generations and they haven't figured out
what that is yet. What is that the Johnson spook light it's called the
Spook Light and it's in Joplin, Missouri. You can look that up online.
They even go as far as I've found directions directly to it online.
It's been there just for generations. The light that disappears. At first they
thought maybe it was a train light. They thought it was highway traffic.
People go out there and watch this light appear and then disappear. There's no
rhyme or reason to it. But it's been going on long enough to work.
It's got a name. Very strange. And in your state. You
had a lot of reports of these orange orbs as well, right in my
state, at which time we do have them across the state. We had
a lot, a lot reported eaving around fourth of July, right, yeah,
fourth of July, we had oh my gosh, we had about twenty
one and we had twenty one move on CMS cases case management system cases,
and we ended up out of those eight of them so far or unknown.
We did have a little bit of kind of a circumstance where we ended up
with the skylanerns I guess they call them Chinese lanterards. We had about nine
of those reported several counties here in the state of Missouri have firework firework stands
which I believe June twentieth through the tenth of July, and then there's there's
about a weekend and around New Year's Eve where they can also sell fireworks here.
And we have firework stands that are you're around that are legal. You
just you're not legal to shoot the fireworks though. And unfortunately, in the
last four or five years, they've started selling these skylanerns, which are they're
just made out of paper with a candle on a eight and so we've had
a few of those, but we had nine sightings that we absolutely in and
around fourth of July absolutely could not figure out what they want, and they
did involve some type of orange lights in the sky. Interesting. Now,
those lanterns that you investigated, how large are they? Oh my gosh,
I would say probably looked to be about three foot. I've got save on
order. I haven't received them yet. I was in Roswell, New Mexico
when this was going on in my state, and I got on my computer.
I picked my computer with me so I can keep up on what's going
on. And I came back to some trying to introduce some people at fireworks
stands and they'd already sold out of them, but I know they were for
sale in the state of Missouri where they sold black Cat and T ANDT fireworks.
So they're about three foot tall paper did you light a candle on the
bottom of them? And then they go up and they travel with the wind.
Depending on how much breeze you have, they can be it between three
and ten fifteen minutes. They fell four five six dollars online and they had
them in limited qualities at fireworks stands those, you know, and it was
easy enough to identify them when they were going across the sky. I had
several reports in one area that they saw an orange fall of light go across
the sky with a flame on the bottom. And then we had one of
the witnesses who reported actually find one in their tree. So we kind of
checked the pattern the flight pattern of the other sightings, and one of them
was across the street from a fireworks stand. So yeah, we were fairly
certain, but you know, you can never be one hundred percent of what
that is. But there were nine sightings, I'm not sorry, eight sightings
in the area in the very and around that week that we just absolutely couldn't
explain in the strange balls of light. Well's surprising to me. And you
know, you hear a lot about those in the UK, but I didn't
know they were selling those at the fireworks stand And I know because I had
read about Peter Davenport also reporting a large amount of sightings that he received over
the fourth of July weekend. But then another paper wrote those were probably mostly
Chinese lanterns, and I thought that was kind of chilly until I heard that
they were selling them at the stands. Well, you know, and it
depends on the description too. I had a description at one point of something
that was over the top of a house the size of a house, you
know, the tree tops, and it was big and orange, and you
know, I had some of the local say, well, we thought that
that might have been a Chinese lander. No, they're absolutely not that big.
They're they're not way up in the sky, up near our atmosphere.
They're not moving around. One of the reports you had with something that came
across the sky and came across bath, across the sky enough to where if
there should have been you know, you should have heard the sound barrier break.
Well, this is not a Chinese lantern, so that would be a
neat firework, though Chinese lantern that does it over the speed of sound probably
so not, you know. And I asked if the fireworks stands to this
a fire hazard and they said no, that they go up, you know,
most of them, not too yeah, it's too high. They stay
kind of the low cloud level. The thing on how humid humid it is
outside. Misery is pretty humid, you know, they may stay kind of
low, you know, lower, but they the candle will burn out,
they'll just blink out and then the paper will just come down and disintegrate,
or they'll float down if they're not really high, that the paper will float
down into a tree. Mm hmm. Yeah. Luckily hopefully one doesn't land
back on top of the fireworks stand. And definitely not but either absolutely not.
The the explanation for the balls of light that we've had, especially around
Marley Woods. I actually the video takes one of those balls of light,
well actually two nights in a row we video tape something like that, and
there was no explanation for that that we know for sure that that definitely was
not anything that came anywhere near a Chinese lantern, and you know that that
kind of it's obviously too that that's been an explanation now, you know,
it used to be you know, you've had heard everything from swamp gas to
you know whatever, and now they're using Chinese lanterns as an excuse or as
a reason why or or I guess, an explanation for some of these balls
of light the sky. But when we've got something that's high that's traveling at
high speed, or two things that two balls of light they're dancing back and
forth and one you know, shoot off into the sky, this is not
a Chinese lantern, right, So there's a definite difference between the two,
right, right, So there's more going on than just the lanterns. Do
you have exactly any sort of feeling at all about what is happening in the
Marley Woods? I mean, do you think it is UFO E T?
Or do you think it might be some more of the paranormal type of events
happening there? You know, you know what, my my brother Chuck Zukowski
and I were down there with Ted's team, and I think it's pretty mysterious.
I don't think it's a natural phenomenon. I know, that there's it's
been around long enough to wear back several several several years ago. I mean
we're talking maybe sixty years ago. They used to have something that they the
locals would call mineral light, and they thought that maybe these falls of light
would come up, and you know that that maybe that was minerals escaping from
the ground. And they've been around a long time, you know, if
you have to get something a name, and that's just what they called them.
There's also these strange falls of light in the San Luis Valley in the
Native Americans there thought that they were the spirits coming up from from the ground
in the evening time. You know at night, I guess spirits coming up
and descending or I guess uscending into the the heavens. So ball of light
like these have been around in the United States in several areas for a long
time. I just saw special Untie. That's long ago where they're in Texas.
So we're not really sure exactly what they are. You know. The
one that we saw disappeared and it appeared for about two minutes. We had
a team about a mile and a half away. They couldn't see the lights
the least we narrow it down that it was coming. It was in the
tree someplace in between. There weren't any houses, there were weren't any roads.
Just this orange ball of light appeared and then it disappeared. Well,
we played the chuck and I played the videotape back and you could see it
after it blinked out. It didn't blink completely out, We just didn't see
it. It slowly moved downward. Again. This appeared in pretty much the
same place about the same time, two nights at all, and then after
that they didn't see it again. Wow. So there's no rhyme or reason
to this at all. We ranced through the area in the woods. But
maybe there was some kind of a security light. Well, we'll talk more
about that. We got to go to break again and we'll be right back.
We're talking to Debbie zgo Meyer. You're listening to Open Minds Radio.
Welcome back to open Minds Radio. Here now former officials folksperson for the Mutual
UFO Network, your host of Open Minds Radio, Alejandro Rojas, Welcome back.
We are speaking with Missouri MUFON State Director Debbie z e goo Myern.
You were talking about Marley Woods and your investigation into the orbs you saw there,
and then I cut you off and did you finish that up or did
you have more to say? No? Okay, I think you haven't ask
you about We have a conference coming up. Oh I was going to get
into that. Okay. I want to save the best for last. Okay,
because they'll be able to learn more about this. Then they'll have it
on there their investigations. Yeah, then they'll be able to get out there
and go straight from the to the website, you know, so they don't
forget. But I want to get a couple of questions in before we get
into the conference. One is someone from the chat he was asking about He
says, are aliens early humans that hid underwater and then come up in their
UFOs? What do you think of that theory? Are it is a question?
Are aliens early humans that lived underwater? That's a question. Yeah,
that I have no idea. I guess if if we knew that for sure,
that'd be the million dollar the answer to the million dollar question, I
guess anything possible. If you want to hide, that's a perfect place to
hide underwater, right. And then my question before we get to the conference
is what is one of your favorite investigations you've done lately. Oh, my
favorite investigation I've done lately, or maybe when that's been done in your state
that you thought was really well done. Oh in my state, My gosh,
we've got what's an ongoing investigation I can't really talk about right now in
my state. We have a lot that's going on in Kansas City area right
now. But I think actually the answer to the question is a favorite investigation
I've done it. My brother chuckue Zakowski and I've been working on Roswell for
over ten years. That's an ongoing investigation still with ongoing witnesses, new witnesses,
new information. And probably my favorite part of it, of any investigation
that I've done, was left year in July. Ably with July third,
two thousand and nine, we were fortunate enough to take Jesse Marcell Junior to
the debris field where Matt Braswell found the debris. We took him there for
the very first time. I'm not sure if everybody knows exactly who Jesse Marcel
Junior is, but in case you don't, Jesse Marcel Senor was the officer
did the nineteen forty seven Roswell incident. He was the officer that was holding
the weather balloon that was used as a cover of that famous picture of them
holding the balloon. Jesse Marcel Senior, Colonel Caviot and the day escorted mac
brasl out after he had reported finding the debris. So we took Jesse Marcell
Junior, who was witnessed to a piece of debris or actually debris all over
his kitchen floor. His dad had brought in about one thirty morning, woke
Hi up when he was a eleven year old, and he actually got to
hold and see debris from the nineteen forty seven crash. And this is the
first time he had ever been to the place where the debris had been found.
Yeah, that is that really very enjoyable. That's that is a great
honor that you guys were able to be the first to do that. I
know it was very important for him. It was Now one more question from
the chat was someone just asked if there have been reports of mantis extraterrestrial beings
in Missouri that you know of. No, not that I know of.
I know that we've had bigfoot in Missouri, but no, not any reports
that I've seen no, maybe the Bigfoot scared off the mantis ones that could
be. Now, let's get into the Midwest UFO Conference August fourteenth to the
fifteenth, being held by Missouri move On. That sounds exciting, yes,
and actually it's Missouri MoveOn Quest, Missouri Investigating Group, and the UFO Study
Group of Greater Saint Louis. It's a joint venture. The cross the state
where we thought we would join forces, we'd get together, we'd all get
to meet each other and share investigations. We're kind of co hosting it.
We've got uh my brother d Zukowski, who's gonna be talking about cattle utilations
in Colorado. We have Travis Walton, who whose story was in a movie
called Fire in the Sky. We have Margie Kay from Independence who's going to
have a workshop on remote viewing, teaching us the remote doing, Gary Hart
who's going to be talking about Seymour where they were cattle relations, and also
Marley Woods, Joe Plarmo who's going to be talking about Missouri Bigfoot, Linda
Eastbourne about abductions and check it Out'll be talking again about Roswell and an update
on what we found out there, and a lot more. We're going to
hold an investigating up on build investigator course, so we've got a lot lot
going on. Cool, that'll be a lot of fun. It's always great.
A website mm hm at missourimofon dot org is a website. It's always
get a registration form there and we still have registration open. It's a lot
of fun when or it's really good when groups get together to co sponsor too,
because there's so much A lot of times, you know, there's there's
this territoriatorial thing and sometimes groups don't want to work together. I think it's
really important when groups do kind of join forces. Oh exactly. We we've
come across investigations. I come across investigations, but there was another group working
on the same investigation, different witness and after two three times of that,
we've decided to join forces. And Missouri is a bigger stake than it seems.
So the more investigation we had the war, people with their eyes open,
you know, if there even had skywatches. A couple of times a
year, we have people across the state just looking up all at the same
time, keeping in touches. People we can say anything. All the different
groups working together so we're hoping we're open in this state maybe to finally find
some answers as to what's going on on those joint skywatches. Have there been
sightings. We had a couple a couple of things that people just didn't you
know, that weren't really sure what they were. Yes, we did,
of course, you know, it was something odd in the sky, but
you know, it was documented. But at this point we've only done it
with me as being a stape director twice. We had a couple of,
like I said, unidentified things one time and then another. The first time
it was really cold. It was one of those where people were calling in
and saying, I think those members are bad choice. So who were really
cold? Yeah, you know, it was exciting to know that we have
people across the states that we're all looking up, and we had cell phone
numbers of people online and unfortunately we didn't see any things that night. But
the next time we tried it yet we did. You know, have a
couple of reports of something strange. Cool. Well, and our magazine should
be out a few days before your conference, if not a couple of days
after, but you can go to the stores and then read about Travis wall
because we have a story on him in this magazine. It's it's focused on
abductions. Then you can have more poignant questions for him when you go to
their signing books. He says, new books out right, It's got a
whole new chapter, an update. Mm hm. He's a lot of fun.
He's such a great guy. Oh, just such a gentleman, just
a real nice gentleman. Now do you have in Missouri any famous abduction cases
like that, or even if it's not famous, just an interesting one.
Interesting abduction cases in Missouri? Yeah, we've I don't know necessarily if they're
famous, but there have been reports, and I guess that that's probably what
wend the eastbart is going to be talking about, because she's going to be
talking about abduction cases in Missouri. But as far as famous ones like Travis
Walton, I don't believe. So I don't know. I could be wrong.
I've slept for three hours, so oh no, well, not many
cases get that famous. Well, I guess we got a couple of minutes
exactly two. Uh, I know you're on sci Fi's Investigates all so where
the Sci Fi Roswell special? Where you guys went dig to do that archaeology
archaeological dig. Where can people still working more people get more information about those
digs. Oh, you can go to www dot UFO nut dot com to
my brother check Zukowski's website. There's information there. There's there's pictures of some
pieceows debris that we found were still in the process of getting investigated, and
some other interesting things that we've found in the area. And your brother truly
isn't that well. We we're out of time. Thank you so much,
Debbie for being on the show in the middle of the night. Missouri.
Move on dot org is where you can go get more information on that conference
and r It sounds like it's gonna be a lot of fun. It's always
fun to be hanging out with Chucking Debbie. So stay tuned. Thanks for
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