WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:07.440 Welcome to Open Minds Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former official spokesperson for 2 00:00:07.559 --> 00:00:12.880 the Mutual UFO Network. Alejandro who's been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalists for 3 00:00:12.919 --> 00:00:17.719 nearly a decade and has long hours in the field investigating the paranormal up close 4 00:00:17.760 --> 00:00:22.760 and personal, and now Open Minds Radio presents evidence in the latest news regarding 5 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:29.800 the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello, and welcome 6 00:00:29.879 --> 00:00:38.000 to open mind Radio, your UFO news authority all around the world. We're 7 00:00:38.039 --> 00:00:43.399 international, we cover news from everywhere. We've been talking a lot about China, 8 00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:48.880 England. It's just awesome how we're able to do that. Today's guest 9 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:54.759 is super cool. Her name is Debbie Ziegelmeyer. She's the sister to my 10 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:59.799 buddy Chuck Zukowski, who I've had on a couple times, and she's my 11 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:03.000 too, of course. And you can see some pictures, you know, 12 00:01:03.039 --> 00:01:07.599 if you've looked online and seen us at the Debris Syite Chuck and Debbie and 13 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:12.040 the Open Minds crew at least some of us. So we had a lot 14 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:19.519 of fun out there with her. But she helped found really she did mostly 15 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:23.920 herself to be honest. She helped found the Moufon Dive Team, which is 16 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:27.200 pretty cool. Essentially, she's a dive instructor and they put this together so 17 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:33.560 they can go dive under the ocean or large lakes, because there have been 18 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:38.400 situations with the Great Lakes like you've heard on the show before, of possible 19 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:41.920 UFOs under the water, so they could go down there and check it out. 20 00:01:41.959 --> 00:01:46.000 So she's gonna tell us about that certification she did for the Moufon Dive 21 00:01:46.040 --> 00:01:51.359 Team and some of that stuff really interesting and cool stuff. She's also the 22 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:56.519 state director for Moufon in Missouri and they've got some interesting stuff out there. 23 00:01:56.560 --> 00:02:01.120 She's been part of Ted Phillips group and investigating the Marley Woods, which is 24 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:06.120 a mysterious place kind of like the ranch in Utah we've talked about, where 25 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:09.360 there's lots of weird stuff going on, like lights in the forest and things 26 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:15.199 like that, people reportedly seeing beings coming in and out of portals. She's 27 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:21.319 also got some other mysterious areas out there and they've had a flap a lot 28 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:28.080 of orange UFOs being seen lately, similar to what's been happening in the UK. 29 00:02:28.199 --> 00:02:32.639 Although they've been saying that those are Chinese lanterns. Interesting enough, and 30 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:38.000 I'm excited to talk about this because just like a good Moufon researcher should do. 31 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:42.159 Debbie was able to find some information about that as well, and we'll 32 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:46.759 talk more about that. So she's a great researcher, great person. We'll 33 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:51.000 have her on in a little bit. And speaking of Moufon, we just 34 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:55.039 got back from the Mutual UFO Network Symposium which was held this weekend. Got 35 00:02:55.039 --> 00:03:00.080 to see some of my buddies and happy to say there's all always rumors about 36 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:05.479 move On because of course, like the interest says, I used to be 37 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:08.520 the spokesperson for them, so i'd get, you know, all kinds of 38 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:13.879 crazy questions asked of me about the group, So there's always some kind of 39 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:16.639 controversy with them, just because there's the largest group. I think that's just 40 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:22.240 the issue, is that they're so big and everybody expects so much out of 41 00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:25.879 them that it's hard to please everyone. But you know what, despite whatever 42 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:30.800 rumors are going on right now, they're running really strong. They've got a 43 00:03:31.080 --> 00:03:37.800 good leadership. There's been some changes, a few slight changes, some additions, 44 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:40.719 some people moving on, and we're going to talk to more of their 45 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:46.280 leadership as well some of the other business board members, the group that really 46 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:50.599 runs move On. We'll be talking to them on our show very soon. 47 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:53.879 I've been talking to them about that. In fact, I've probably had on 48 00:03:54.039 --> 00:04:00.080 my show the most move On board members than any other show, and people 49 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:04.319 don't realize that there is this board that really runs a lot of what goes 50 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:10.560 on with moufan at their headquarters. So that's going to be a lot of 51 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:13.879 fun talking to more of them. Clifford Cliff who we've had on the show, 52 00:04:14.360 --> 00:04:16.160 and you all know he was a lot of fun. He's just a 53 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:19.759 really funny and nice guy. So it was really cool to have him m 54 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:25.720 seeing the awards ceremonies and giving out awards and they're MC by the way, 55 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:30.319 for the symposium for the last six years or something has been John Greenwald who 56 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:32.560 runs Blackbolt dot com, and that was a lot of fun too. You'll 57 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:36.560 be able to see pictures and you can actually hear some of our shows on 58 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:42.000 black Bolt Radio. He invited us to put some shows up there, so 59 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:45.720 a lot of fun. Speaking of fun, the UFO Congress this year, 60 00:04:45.720 --> 00:04:48.439 we had a lot of questions about the Congress, how it's going to go, 61 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:51.560 where it's going to be. It's going to be in Phoenix, as 62 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:57.360 you all know, in the Phoenix metro area, in a place called Fort 63 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:02.639 McDowell on the Yabapie Niche and Indian Reservation, a beautiful place, and people 64 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:06.920 were really excited about that. It's gonna be a lot of fun. So 65 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:11.399 hang type people, you're gonna be able to get a lot more information and 66 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:17.079 see our cool new UFO Congress website really soon here. That's at Ufocongress dot 67 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:21.240 com. And if you ever have any confusion about what's who and who's what, 68 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:27.480 you can go to Openminds dot tv, where you're gonna find, among 69 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:31.839 other things, UFOs in the news. So there's a lot of news on 70 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:39.759 UFOs all around the world, and we have our news correspondent Jason McClellan here 71 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:46.040 to tell us more about what's going down. Greetings Alejandro, greetings my friend, 72 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:49.920 Hello Phoenix, and hello world. This is your Open Minds News brief 73 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:56.600 for Monday, July twenty sixth, twenty ten. MSN reported the UFO spotted 74 00:05:56.639 --> 00:06:00.959 over the Tron Beach resort of Malaysia last week. The object was witnessed by 75 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:04.519 several resort staff members, and was described as floating and emitting a blue and 76 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:10.079 green light. Then the object vanished in the blink of an eye. Some 77 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:14.000 witnesses claim to have captured images of the object on their cell phones, while 78 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:16.439 others claim that when they attempted to capture the object on their phones, the 79 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:23.720 phones mysteriously went dead. And Alejandro, this seems to happen not regularly, 80 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:28.720 but it does happen sometimes with people capturing trying to capture a UFO on video 81 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:33.839 cameras on phones. We've seen a lot of anomalies with video cameras on the 82 00:06:33.879 --> 00:06:38.920 actual video, but then the cameras shutting down and then starting up again. 83 00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:41.800 Yeah, you know, of course, this is one of the things that 84 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:46.720 spans with other paranormal research, where you're in areas of high activity where the 85 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:53.319 batteries die. But I have heard over and over again in reports and investigations 86 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:58.879 that even though a UFO may seem like miles away, that somehow it knows 87 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:01.399 when you're trying to videotape it, and it won't let you. It'll zip 88 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:06.040 away, or the cameras won't work. And I mean that sounds extraordinary, 89 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:13.519 doesn't sound possible, but when you see so many of these reports, you 90 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:15.639 know, it's got to make you wonder. It seems to happen, you 91 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:18.800 know, more than just the random occurrence every once in a while. Yeah, 92 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:24.519 I personally believe there's something to it. It's fascinating crop circles. A 93 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:28.480 three D crop circle appeared in the UK on clay Hill and Warminster last week. 94 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:31.480 The sophisticated design is two hundred feet wide and when viewed from above, 95 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:35.839 an optical illusion gives the design a three D effect. This crop circle is 96 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:40.879 now being linked to UFO activity. Apparently, orange lights in the sky were 97 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:45.199 observed by multiple witnesses on the night before the crop circle appeared. Hmm, 98 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:50.800 yeah, bouts of balls of lights and things with the crop circles, and 99 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:56.240 it's what the heck's going on with those? You never know what's going on 100 00:07:56.319 --> 00:08:01.560 with those UFOs. CBS Report printed a story from Discover magazine last week to 101 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:05.720 suggests how extraterrestrials might be trying to contact US. Groups like SETI, the 102 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:11.600 Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence here on Earth that listen for signals from extraterrestrials are often 103 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:16.040 strapped for cash and operate with very small budgets. This article from Discover magazine 104 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:22.240 suggests that the notion perhaps extraterrestrials who may be trying to send to signals, 105 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:26.279 they might be strapped for cash themselves. They might be starving scientists aliens, 106 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:30.240 and they could be trying to use a more budget friendly method to try to 107 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:37.639 contact us. The article suggests that budget conscious extraterrestrial scientists would probably be selective 108 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:41.919 in their broadcast, limiting their transmission to frequencies with less astronomical background noise, 109 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:48.159 and sending only short pulses rather than energy hogging continuous broadcasts. It's so funny 110 00:08:48.200 --> 00:08:52.080 because really at the comic Con here in Phoenix, you know, we had 111 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:58.320 the scientist Paul Davies and Shostak, and they're thinking fiscally, you know, 112 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:03.320 around this, which of course SETI. They even though it sounds like great 113 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:05.799 task because they have millions of dollars, really they have to think fiscally and 114 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:11.679 how they spend their energy. So they're thinking a lot of how aliens would 115 00:09:11.720 --> 00:09:13.960 spend their energy, and how like you're saying, you would want to do 116 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:18.000 short bursts so they can save their energy so they're not spending too much. 117 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:22.320 So they don't get too high of an electrical bill, you know, but 118 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:28.200 I really like seeing this. This is refreshing to me because again we we've 119 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:31.720 talked about it before. But the I think there's an overgeneralization with extraterrestrials. 120 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:37.559 There's there seems to more often than not, be this assumption that they must 121 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:46.639 be super technologically advanced and perfect in every way. And recently, and you 122 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:52.120 know, Stephen Hawking also with his comments comparing aliens to humans, thinking what 123 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:54.320 would we do if we were out there looking at other worlds? And you 124 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:58.320 know, it's I think it's a fresh approach thinking that, you know, 125 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:01.200 don't overgeneralize it. Not all extraterrestrials are going to be the same. They're 126 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:05.320 not going to do so, I don't know, it's fresh and at least 127 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:09.039 they're thinking about it and really spending time to talk about it. I think 128 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:13.639 that's really cool. But I mean, they're going to be technologically so further 129 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:18.039 along that I think some of these type of ideas it's worth talking about, 130 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:26.519 but they're awfully terrestrial and not absolutely absolutely contemporary. Well, speaking of comic 131 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:30.960 Con, last week, at Comic Con in San Diego, Sony unveiled its 132 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:35.039 new film Battle Los Angeles, based on the nineteen forty two air raid where 133 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:39.559 a UFO allegedly appeared over the city of Los Angeles, initiating air raid sirens 134 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:45.279 and the firing of more than fourteen hundred anti aircraft shells. Battle Los Angeles 135 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:48.919 is scheduled for release next year. That sounds like a cool movie. Well, 136 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:50.080 it looks cool, though it's going to be like, it's not going 137 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:54.759 to be about the nineteen forty two incident. It's going to be about it's 138 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:56.639 going to be modern day. But I guess they're going to refer to some 139 00:10:56.720 --> 00:11:00.639 of the old incident. I think so, and I think they might have 140 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:05.799 some real footage from the nineteen forty two incidents under the footage. I don't 141 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:09.679 know how they got that wow, but I could tell they took liberties because 142 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:13.279 they were talking about their creative process when they went when they tried to figure 143 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:16.360 out how they were going to design the alien. Yeah. Right, there 144 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:24.240 wasn't any contact with an alien. But we do have in our magazine an 145 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:30.159 article written by Richard Dolan on nineteen forty two with some cool graphics. So 146 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:33.720 that's going to be out in the stores in the next couple of weeks, 147 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:37.120 and of course you can get in online. Absolutely I have more news a 148 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:41.480 Lejandro, but I'll wrap it up and remind people you've got time for one 149 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:43.519 more to do it. You can squeeze it in, all right. We've 150 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:48.120 been following the story of the airport in China that shut down after seeing a 151 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:50.919 u UFO and its airspace a couple of weeks ago. Investigations. I've yet 152 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:54.559 to determine what exactly was in the skies above the airport, but what officials 153 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.120 have determined is precisely what you and I were talking about last week, Alejandro. 154 00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:01.919 I was photo that was circulating around the internet. Everybody was saying, 155 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:05.360 oh, this is the object that was above the airport. It was nothing 156 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:07.440 more than an airplane, right, figured that out, which is what it 157 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:11.320 looked. I had nothing to do with that incident, but this particular incident, 158 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:15.480 the particular object that was above the airport, they still have no idea 159 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:18.960 what it was, still a complete unknown. So don't get confused with those 160 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.399 stories people. They still don't know what's going on. Now, that's right. 161 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:26.639 We'll follow the story and post off days on Open Mindes dot tv and 162 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:28.720 you can read more about these stories and more at open mindes dot tv, 163 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:33.799 your source for UFO related news. I'm Jason McClellan, your Open Mines news 164 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:37.840 correspondent, and you've been briefed all right, Thank you, Jason. Open 165 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:41.120 mindsat TV is super cool. We've got some mof on news. There also 166 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:48.639 some other great photographic cases from decades ago posted by that were retrieved by Wendell 167 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:54.200 Stevens. We have a story on Major Fournee, who actually was a lays 168 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:58.480 on with the Air Force and Project blue Book, and some information about Colonel 169 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:03.279 Corso on the anniversary of his debt. So check it out Openminds dot TV. 170 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:09.600 We will be back right after this with Debbie Ziegelmeier, the Moufon State 171 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:31.120 director in Missouri. Stay tuned. Open Minds Production is proud to present the 172 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:33.279 twentieth Anniversary of the International UFO Congress, coming to its new home with the 173 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:37.000 Ratis and portmant Galley s Ort and Casino at Coupel Arizona. 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All right, welcome back to Open Minds Radio, 182 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:20.480 your UFO news authority, and I believe we have the Queen of Eupology, 183 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:22.759 the new Queen of Uthology. That's what I'm gonna name you, Debbie, 184 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:30.279 Debbie's egel Meyer. How are you doing just fine? Fine? Yeah? 185 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:33.159 Right, it's really early out there, huh Yeah? Where I am? 186 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:35.399 Jay, Yeah, So le's get a little bit of re in the wee 187 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:41.919 little minutes of the morning, that's okay, or late hours, I guess, 188 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:43.840 opending on where you are. Yeah. Well, thanks for hanging in 189 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:48.159 there for us and being on the show. So I want to talk about 190 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:52.960 some of the cool stuff you've done, which you know, mounts every day. 191 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:56.840 But the dive team and now I don't know is to move on dive 192 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:05.440 team like officially still going or anything. Well, the dive team was we 193 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:09.639 saw it the dive team about oh, I guess four or five years ago 194 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:16.600 and I just spoke with Cliffer Cliff, the international director for MUFON and we're 195 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:22.480 discussing how to actually reorganize it and bring it back. Awesome what I what 196 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:28.399 I had were divers from I had about forty five divers volunteers from a far 197 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:35.000 north of Alastown as far south as Saint Thomas, and lots of people interested 198 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:37.440 in help out. Cool. So what did that entail? I mean you 199 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:43.480 had a whole certain certification program to get on this team. Well no, 200 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:52.159 actually, our our initial team I trained the first underwater UFOL Search and Recovery 201 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:56.080 class and it was very did it at the Korean Raala. We had a 202 00:15:56.120 --> 00:16:00.720 dozen graduates from Anthonty. It's patty certified and actually was a navigation in search 203 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:07.000 of Recovery patty certified, and then gave them a certificate for the UFO such 204 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:14.240 recovery course and the volunteers were have to be certified divers and they were. 205 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:18.080 Basically, when you're a diver, it's good to know the terrain that you're 206 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:19.919 in, you know, because your water, your dive shops and that type 207 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:25.480 of thing. Back of shore supports plus some additional helping the water. Divers 208 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:30.080 don't dive unless they dive in pairs, and so we have volunteers to help 209 00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:33.639 out across the country. Cool. So, did you like take one of 210 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:37.279 the secret UFOs as the move on underground vault and throw it in the water 211 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:41.960 and have them recover it? No? Actually, what we did was we 212 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:48.759 took ten foot in diameter satellite dish, put legs on it and painted it 213 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:55.440 floor us and and dropped it thirty foot down in very cold water and a 214 00:16:55.559 --> 00:17:02.000 quarry to get a training choya a diving training quarry and worked very well. 215 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:06.359 We did that, and we hid different things across the cory and and had 216 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:11.119 eight dives over two days and had these individuals playing them and women. They 217 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:15.240 did a very good job. Wow, that's the UFO is still there? 218 00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:19.079 It is? Yes, it is, so it's still there for you to 219 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:23.680 continue your training. Yes, and I guess it's still in the traction there 220 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:26.200 in the quarry for any other divers that want to go down and see it. 221 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:33.680 Oh, neat that's really cool. So with the dive team or just 222 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:37.720 as a move one investigator. Have you ever got to go do a dive 223 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:45.839 investigation? Came close a couple of times and it ended up that they found 224 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:48.799 out what it was ahead of time. I'd like to head the Puerto Rico. 225 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:52.920 There's a lot of shallow water in and around Puerto Rico, around the 226 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:57.240 reef where things have been sighted. The problem we have right now is a 227 00:17:57.240 --> 00:18:02.079 lot of the craft coming in out of water have been extremely deep, way 228 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:08.319 decent. Then a certified divert can go down to but one in five UFO 229 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:15.079 or unidentified craft sightings the reporter are reported in and around water, and there's 230 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:18.920 a lot of ponds, there's a lot of rivers, lakes. There's no 231 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:23.160 reason why there shouldn't be somebody looking for trace evidence in these areas. I 232 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:27.480 have all the equipments or not. I have a substantial amount of equipment to 233 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:32.480 help me look for trace evidence and a lot of volunteers. So we're hopeful. 234 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:37.160 We're trying to get reorganized. Yeah, isn't it a high percentage of 235 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:41.400 UFO sightings that have to do with with a body of water. Yes, 236 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:47.440 well yeah, one in five Wow, five are water related. Mm hmm, 237 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:49.920 that's cool. Likeily, I talked to Carl find to do just the 238 00:18:51.079 --> 00:18:55.440 underwater UFO H Steph. He was at the move On symposium, so were 239 00:18:55.480 --> 00:19:02.480 you, So hopefully i'll have him ontoon. I'm excited about that. I'm 240 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:07.440 hoping we can get together and get organized and get something done. Yeah, 241 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:15.640 they need to outfit you with a deep water submarine. Then well, I 242 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:21.759 have eyes of equipment. I have an LED screen and with a little cook 243 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:25.640 to a little camera with one hundred and fifty foot of cords so I can 244 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:30.720 see hundred and fifty foot down. I'm also a Patty scuba instructor and I'm 245 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:34.440 certified to one hundred and thirty feet, although I have been farther down. 246 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:41.359 I have an underwater midlitector sonar video camera, a couple of different kinds of 247 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:48.960 regular digital still shot film, a couple of different kinds of cameras, and 248 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:56.119 a lot of interesting equipment. We're able to go down and search and if 249 00:19:56.160 --> 00:20:02.240 there's something down there, I have a recomfident that that we'll be able to 250 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:07.319 find something if if we get the opportunity cool, well, contact us. 251 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:11.279 It may not necessarily be a UFO, but at least right answers the question. 252 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:15.279 Yeah, so you can contact Open mindset TV or move on. If 253 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:21.599 you know of something out there any of you listeners that perhaps needs to be 254 00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:26.680 investigated, that is under the water, under the sea exactly if you want 255 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:33.440 to contact moufon Missouri. Were at obvious moufon Missouri dot org. Okay, 256 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:37.359 perfect is our website. Now getting into some of the other more exciting things 257 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:41.440 you do in just a minute. But I wanted to talk about what got 258 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:48.559 you interested in UFO investigation. Oh well, good question. I have no 259 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:52.000 idea. I grew up in Arizona. Uh huh, I grew up. 260 00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:57.480 I grew up in Stafford, Arizona, and we had just a a brilliant 261 00:20:57.839 --> 00:21:04.119 night time sky and my brother, Checkikalski and I used to go out and 262 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:10.960 just stargates. We both always had telescopes, and I'm kind of from there. 263 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:14.400 I guess. You know, if you look at the sky and you 264 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:17.759 start to wonder, and especially a nice sky, and then you see, 265 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:21.000 you know, things that you're not sure of, and that's kind of how 266 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:22.319 it started, you know, I started seeing things, you know, and 267 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:25.799 then now you know a lot of bad life. But I have seen some 268 00:21:25.839 --> 00:21:30.119 things that I really can't explain. So I think probably the answer to the 269 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:32.720 question is I want to know what the truth is, and the only way 270 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:36.599 to hunt for the truth is to seek it. Now, how long have 271 00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:42.039 you been a move On Investigator? About? Only about ten years? I 272 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:48.480 was involved raising a family before that, and I I did do independent investigating 273 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:53.640 on my own for at least ten years before that, but officially move On 274 00:21:53.680 --> 00:21:57.119 investigator for ten years. Wow, so you've still twenty years. And I 275 00:21:57.160 --> 00:22:06.000 know you're an extremely busy person with several businesses. Uh an award winning olympiad 276 00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:11.640 as a child or for a child, right, I guess that's get you 277 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:14.599 let the cat out the bag there. Yeah, my daughter's a two time 278 00:22:14.680 --> 00:22:18.720 Winter Olympic medalist, so I was Olympic mom for several years. Yeah. 279 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:23.079 So a short truck speak. So it's incredibly fine time to do all of 280 00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:32.039 this. Oh, I set my watch to twenty five hours. You can 281 00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:36.480 do that. I need one of those watches. Although that extra hour I 282 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:41.960 would sleep. Yeah, how about you that tonight? I got in here 283 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:47.319 into Orlando at four o'clock this morning, peek. So you're, as usual, 284 00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:51.359 very busy. I know one of the cases that you looked into out 285 00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:55.960 there was the Marley Woods, and maybe you can describe to the audience a 286 00:22:55.960 --> 00:23:00.119 little bit of what happened or some of the mystery and and why the woods 287 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:08.039 are special Marley Woods. That's an investigation Sad Philips has been working on since 288 00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:17.160 nineteen ninety eight at least. And what they have is there's ongoing I guess, 289 00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:18.920 some kind of a phenomenon. I guess is the best way to describe 290 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:26.200 it. There's been everything from mysterious lights in the sky. 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I mean 306 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:06.640 we're talking about some of the strange phenomena there, all right. I was 307 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:11.799 fortunate enough, fortunate enough to work on that site with Ted Phillips for a 308 00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:18.799 little over a year. There's been a mysterious light, there's a back years 309 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:27.079 ago, there's a possible crash site, a landing site. They've had I 310 00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:37.599 guess, reports of strange entities. It's it's basically an ongoing investigation and ongoing 311 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:42.640 live I guess series of phenomenon going on there. So I mean it's basically 312 00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:47.359 research there. There's constant research that could be going on, and it's a 313 00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:51.799 mysterious place. Nobody knows why or you know exactly what is going on, 314 00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:56.680 but they're they're gathering a lot of information and so maybe someday we could find 315 00:25:56.720 --> 00:26:00.960 out what what makes that area so special. It's it seems like people are 316 00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:04.720 discovering more and more of these areas. You know, we had the Utah 317 00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:08.039 Ranch, the Skinwalker ranch out there that the NID to people, big loads 318 00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:12.680 people looked into. We've got Marley Woods, which is probably the next one 319 00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:17.680 that came along. And then there's a place in Oregon that people have been 320 00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:22.279 talking about. I know Angela Joyner on Hotel radio show has been talking about 321 00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:26.000 this, and I think was it you who also found a second site out 322 00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:33.680 there in Missouri? You know as muflin State director of Missouri. I'm surprised 323 00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:40.559 at how many reports of strange lights that I get that are across southern Missouri. 324 00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:44.079 And then the very seems to be a very active area. There's also 325 00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:51.079 been the Joplin spook flight that's been around for generations and they haven't figured out 326 00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:56.400 what that is yet. What is that the Johnson spook light it's called the 327 00:26:56.480 --> 00:27:00.920 Spook Light and it's in Joplin, Missouri. You can look that up online. 328 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:06.400 They even go as far as I've found directions directly to it online. 329 00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:10.720 It's been there just for generations. The light that disappears. At first they 330 00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:15.039 thought maybe it was a train light. They thought it was highway traffic. 331 00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:19.480 People go out there and watch this light appear and then disappear. There's no 332 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:23.359 rhyme or reason to it. But it's been going on long enough to work. 333 00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:27.720 It's got a name. Very strange. And in your state. You 334 00:27:27.799 --> 00:27:33.839 had a lot of reports of these orange orbs as well, right in my 335 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:37.680 state, at which time we do have them across the state. We had 336 00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:45.240 a lot, a lot reported eaving around fourth of July, right, yeah, 337 00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:49.599 fourth of July, we had oh my gosh, we had about twenty 338 00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:56.000 one and we had twenty one move on CMS cases case management system cases, 339 00:27:56.359 --> 00:28:00.559 and we ended up out of those eight of them so far or unknown. 340 00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:07.680 We did have a little bit of kind of a circumstance where we ended up 341 00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:12.680 with the skylanerns I guess they call them Chinese lanterards. We had about nine 342 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:19.960 of those reported several counties here in the state of Missouri have firework firework stands 343 00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:26.519 which I believe June twentieth through the tenth of July, and then there's there's 344 00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:30.880 about a weekend and around New Year's Eve where they can also sell fireworks here. 345 00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:33.000 And we have firework stands that are you're around that are legal. You 346 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:37.319 just you're not legal to shoot the fireworks though. And unfortunately, in the 347 00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:44.000 last four or five years, they've started selling these skylanerns, which are they're 348 00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:45.680 just made out of paper with a candle on a eight and so we've had 349 00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:49.839 a few of those, but we had nine sightings that we absolutely in and 350 00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:53.480 around fourth of July absolutely could not figure out what they want, and they 351 00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:57.680 did involve some type of orange lights in the sky. Interesting. Now, 352 00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:06.240 those lanterns that you investigated, how large are they? Oh my gosh, 353 00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:11.640 I would say probably looked to be about three foot. I've got save on 354 00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:15.279 order. I haven't received them yet. I was in Roswell, New Mexico 355 00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:18.359 when this was going on in my state, and I got on my computer. 356 00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:22.000 I picked my computer with me so I can keep up on what's going 357 00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:25.720 on. And I came back to some trying to introduce some people at fireworks 358 00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:27.559 stands and they'd already sold out of them, but I know they were for 359 00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:33.039 sale in the state of Missouri where they sold black Cat and T ANDT fireworks. 360 00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:40.599 So they're about three foot tall paper did you light a candle on the 361 00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:42.960 bottom of them? And then they go up and they travel with the wind. 362 00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:45.720 Depending on how much breeze you have, they can be it between three 363 00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:55.279 and ten fifteen minutes. They fell four five six dollars online and they had 364 00:29:55.319 --> 00:30:00.359 them in limited qualities at fireworks stands those, you know, and it was 365 00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.720 easy enough to identify them when they were going across the sky. I had 366 00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:08.160 several reports in one area that they saw an orange fall of light go across 367 00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:11.480 the sky with a flame on the bottom. And then we had one of 368 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:18.160 the witnesses who reported actually find one in their tree. So we kind of 369 00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:23.599 checked the pattern the flight pattern of the other sightings, and one of them 370 00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:29.480 was across the street from a fireworks stand. So yeah, we were fairly 371 00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:32.519 certain, but you know, you can never be one hundred percent of what 372 00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:36.759 that is. But there were nine sightings, I'm not sorry, eight sightings 373 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:40.920 in the area in the very and around that week that we just absolutely couldn't 374 00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:44.920 explain in the strange balls of light. Well's surprising to me. And you 375 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:47.240 know, you hear a lot about those in the UK, but I didn't 376 00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:52.359 know they were selling those at the fireworks stand And I know because I had 377 00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:59.200 read about Peter Davenport also reporting a large amount of sightings that he received over 378 00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:03.039 the fourth of July weekend. But then another paper wrote those were probably mostly 379 00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:07.920 Chinese lanterns, and I thought that was kind of chilly until I heard that 380 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.920 they were selling them at the stands. Well, you know, and it 381 00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:17.279 depends on the description too. I had a description at one point of something 382 00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:21.279 that was over the top of a house the size of a house, you 383 00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:26.680 know, the tree tops, and it was big and orange, and you 384 00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:30.519 know, I had some of the local say, well, we thought that 385 00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:33.920 that might have been a Chinese lander. No, they're absolutely not that big. 386 00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:38.480 They're they're not way up in the sky, up near our atmosphere. 387 00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:42.319 They're not moving around. One of the reports you had with something that came 388 00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:48.680 across the sky and came across bath, across the sky enough to where if 389 00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:52.039 there should have been you know, you should have heard the sound barrier break. 390 00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:56.359 Well, this is not a Chinese lantern, so that would be a 391 00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:02.240 neat firework, though Chinese lantern that does it over the speed of sound probably 392 00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:05.480 so not, you know. And I asked if the fireworks stands to this 393 00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:09.680 a fire hazard and they said no, that they go up, you know, 394 00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:13.359 most of them, not too yeah, it's too high. They stay 395 00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:17.279 kind of the low cloud level. The thing on how humid humid it is 396 00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:20.839 outside. Misery is pretty humid, you know, they may stay kind of 397 00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:23.319 low, you know, lower, but they the candle will burn out, 398 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:27.839 they'll just blink out and then the paper will just come down and disintegrate, 399 00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:30.960 or they'll float down if they're not really high, that the paper will float 400 00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:35.440 down into a tree. Mm hmm. Yeah. Luckily hopefully one doesn't land 401 00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:45.279 back on top of the fireworks stand. And definitely not but either absolutely not. 402 00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:51.359 The the explanation for the balls of light that we've had, especially around 403 00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:55.200 Marley Woods. I actually the video takes one of those balls of light, 404 00:32:55.240 --> 00:33:00.240 well actually two nights in a row we video tape something like that, and 405 00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:06.200 there was no explanation for that that we know for sure that that definitely was 406 00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:09.240 not anything that came anywhere near a Chinese lantern, and you know that that 407 00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:13.480 kind of it's obviously too that that's been an explanation now, you know, 408 00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:16.079 it used to be you know, you've had heard everything from swamp gas to 409 00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:22.640 you know whatever, and now they're using Chinese lanterns as an excuse or as 410 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:27.119 a reason why or or I guess, an explanation for some of these balls 411 00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:30.599 of light the sky. But when we've got something that's high that's traveling at 412 00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:34.519 high speed, or two things that two balls of light they're dancing back and 413 00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:37.400 forth and one you know, shoot off into the sky, this is not 414 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:40.519 a Chinese lantern, right, So there's a definite difference between the two, 415 00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:46.400 right, right, So there's more going on than just the lanterns. Do 416 00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:52.279 you have exactly any sort of feeling at all about what is happening in the 417 00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:55.480 Marley Woods? I mean, do you think it is UFO E T? 418 00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:59.960 Or do you think it might be some more of the paranormal type of events 419 00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:07.920 happening there? You know, you know what, my my brother Chuck Zukowski 420 00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:10.360 and I were down there with Ted's team, and I think it's pretty mysterious. 421 00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:17.559 I don't think it's a natural phenomenon. I know, that there's it's 422 00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:23.639 been around long enough to wear back several several several years ago. I mean 423 00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:28.360 we're talking maybe sixty years ago. They used to have something that they the 424 00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:34.239 locals would call mineral light, and they thought that maybe these falls of light 425 00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:37.239 would come up, and you know that that maybe that was minerals escaping from 426 00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:39.679 the ground. And they've been around a long time, you know, if 427 00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:43.840 you have to get something a name, and that's just what they called them. 428 00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:46.079 There's also these strange falls of light in the San Luis Valley in the 429 00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:52.480 Native Americans there thought that they were the spirits coming up from from the ground 430 00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:55.360 in the evening time. You know at night, I guess spirits coming up 431 00:34:55.360 --> 00:35:01.880 and descending or I guess uscending into the the heavens. So ball of light 432 00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:06.719 like these have been around in the United States in several areas for a long 433 00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:09.639 time. I just saw special Untie. That's long ago where they're in Texas. 434 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:13.639 So we're not really sure exactly what they are. You know. The 435 00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:19.760 one that we saw disappeared and it appeared for about two minutes. We had 436 00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:22.360 a team about a mile and a half away. They couldn't see the lights 437 00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:24.519 the least we narrow it down that it was coming. It was in the 438 00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:30.199 tree someplace in between. There weren't any houses, there were weren't any roads. 439 00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:32.039 Just this orange ball of light appeared and then it disappeared. Well, 440 00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:37.000 we played the chuck and I played the videotape back and you could see it 441 00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:39.280 after it blinked out. It didn't blink completely out, We just didn't see 442 00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:44.440 it. It slowly moved downward. Again. This appeared in pretty much the 443 00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:46.559 same place about the same time, two nights at all, and then after 444 00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:51.880 that they didn't see it again. Wow. So there's no rhyme or reason 445 00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:53.800 to this at all. We ranced through the area in the woods. But 446 00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:58.760 maybe there was some kind of a security light. Well, we'll talk more 447 00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:02.639 about that. We got to go to break again and we'll be right back. 448 00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:17.960 We're talking to Debbie zgo Meyer. You're listening to Open Minds Radio. 449 00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:30.360 Welcome back to open Minds Radio. Here now former officials folksperson for the Mutual 450 00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:37.440 UFO Network, your host of Open Minds Radio, Alejandro Rojas, Welcome back. 451 00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:43.559 We are speaking with Missouri MUFON State Director Debbie z e goo Myern. 452 00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:46.920 You were talking about Marley Woods and your investigation into the orbs you saw there, 453 00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:52.480 and then I cut you off and did you finish that up or did 454 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:58.360 you have more to say? No? Okay, I think you haven't ask 455 00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:00.719 you about We have a conference coming up. Oh I was going to get 456 00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:07.079 into that. Okay. I want to save the best for last. Okay, 457 00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:08.719 because they'll be able to learn more about this. Then they'll have it 458 00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:12.679 on there their investigations. Yeah, then they'll be able to get out there 459 00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:15.440 and go straight from the to the website, you know, so they don't 460 00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:19.559 forget. But I want to get a couple of questions in before we get 461 00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:25.000 into the conference. One is someone from the chat he was asking about He 462 00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:31.360 says, are aliens early humans that hid underwater and then come up in their 463 00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:37.360 UFOs? What do you think of that theory? Are it is a question? 464 00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:42.719 Are aliens early humans that lived underwater? That's a question. Yeah, 465 00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:49.039 that I have no idea. I guess if if we knew that for sure, 466 00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:52.519 that'd be the million dollar the answer to the million dollar question, I 467 00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:55.400 guess anything possible. If you want to hide, that's a perfect place to 468 00:37:55.480 --> 00:38:02.079 hide underwater, right. And then my question before we get to the conference 469 00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:09.119 is what is one of your favorite investigations you've done lately. Oh, my 470 00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:14.360 favorite investigation I've done lately, or maybe when that's been done in your state 471 00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:21.480 that you thought was really well done. Oh in my state, My gosh, 472 00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:27.880 we've got what's an ongoing investigation I can't really talk about right now in 473 00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:31.719 my state. We have a lot that's going on in Kansas City area right 474 00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:35.920 now. But I think actually the answer to the question is a favorite investigation 475 00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:38.480 I've done it. My brother chuckue Zakowski and I've been working on Roswell for 476 00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:44.480 over ten years. That's an ongoing investigation still with ongoing witnesses, new witnesses, 477 00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:49.840 new information. And probably my favorite part of it, of any investigation 478 00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:53.880 that I've done, was left year in July. Ably with July third, 479 00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:59.559 two thousand and nine, we were fortunate enough to take Jesse Marcell Junior to 480 00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:02.760 the debris field where Matt Braswell found the debris. We took him there for 481 00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:07.800 the very first time. I'm not sure if everybody knows exactly who Jesse Marcel 482 00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:15.159 Junior is, but in case you don't, Jesse Marcel Senor was the officer 483 00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:20.519 did the nineteen forty seven Roswell incident. He was the officer that was holding 484 00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:24.400 the weather balloon that was used as a cover of that famous picture of them 485 00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:31.199 holding the balloon. Jesse Marcel Senior, Colonel Caviot and the day escorted mac 486 00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:37.840 brasl out after he had reported finding the debris. So we took Jesse Marcell 487 00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:40.960 Junior, who was witnessed to a piece of debris or actually debris all over 488 00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:45.679 his kitchen floor. His dad had brought in about one thirty morning, woke 489 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:49.440 Hi up when he was a eleven year old, and he actually got to 490 00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:52.360 hold and see debris from the nineteen forty seven crash. And this is the 491 00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:55.320 first time he had ever been to the place where the debris had been found. 492 00:39:55.920 --> 00:40:00.840 Yeah, that is that really very enjoyable. That's that is a great 493 00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:02.840 honor that you guys were able to be the first to do that. I 494 00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:07.760 know it was very important for him. It was Now one more question from 495 00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:15.480 the chat was someone just asked if there have been reports of mantis extraterrestrial beings 496 00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:22.440 in Missouri that you know of. No, not that I know of. 497 00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:30.000 I know that we've had bigfoot in Missouri, but no, not any reports 498 00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:35.880 that I've seen no, maybe the Bigfoot scared off the mantis ones that could 499 00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:43.199 be. Now, let's get into the Midwest UFO Conference August fourteenth to the 500 00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:49.239 fifteenth, being held by Missouri move On. That sounds exciting, yes, 501 00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:59.760 and actually it's Missouri MoveOn Quest, Missouri Investigating Group, and the UFO Study 502 00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:04.320 Group of Greater Saint Louis. It's a joint venture. The cross the state 503 00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:07.719 where we thought we would join forces, we'd get together, we'd all get 504 00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:14.239 to meet each other and share investigations. We're kind of co hosting it. 505 00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:19.119 We've got uh my brother d Zukowski, who's gonna be talking about cattle utilations 506 00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:24.840 in Colorado. We have Travis Walton, who whose story was in a movie 507 00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:31.920 called Fire in the Sky. We have Margie Kay from Independence who's going to 508 00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:37.719 have a workshop on remote viewing, teaching us the remote doing, Gary Hart 509 00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:40.440 who's going to be talking about Seymour where they were cattle relations, and also 510 00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:45.079 Marley Woods, Joe Plarmo who's going to be talking about Missouri Bigfoot, Linda 511 00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:52.239 Eastbourne about abductions and check it Out'll be talking again about Roswell and an update 512 00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:57.760 on what we found out there, and a lot more. We're going to 513 00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:04.039 hold an investigating up on build investigator course, so we've got a lot lot 514 00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:07.039 going on. Cool, that'll be a lot of fun. It's always great. 515 00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:14.719 A website mm hm at missourimofon dot org is a website. It's always 516 00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:21.079 get a registration form there and we still have registration open. It's a lot 517 00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:24.719 of fun when or it's really good when groups get together to co sponsor too, 518 00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:29.159 because there's so much A lot of times, you know, there's there's 519 00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:34.559 this territoriatorial thing and sometimes groups don't want to work together. I think it's 520 00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:43.199 really important when groups do kind of join forces. Oh exactly. We we've 521 00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:46.159 come across investigations. I come across investigations, but there was another group working 522 00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:51.480 on the same investigation, different witness and after two three times of that, 523 00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:55.719 we've decided to join forces. And Missouri is a bigger stake than it seems. 524 00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:00.800 So the more investigation we had the war, people with their eyes open, 525 00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:04.360 you know, if there even had skywatches. A couple of times a 526 00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:07.960 year, we have people across the state just looking up all at the same 527 00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:12.280 time, keeping in touches. People we can say anything. All the different 528 00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:19.239 groups working together so we're hoping we're open in this state maybe to finally find 529 00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:23.920 some answers as to what's going on on those joint skywatches. Have there been 530 00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:31.400 sightings. We had a couple a couple of things that people just didn't you 531 00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:35.239 know, that weren't really sure what they were. Yes, we did, 532 00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:40.239 of course, you know, it was something odd in the sky, but 533 00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:47.119 you know, it was documented. But at this point we've only done it 534 00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:52.880 with me as being a stape director twice. We had a couple of, 535 00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:55.159 like I said, unidentified things one time and then another. The first time 536 00:43:55.400 --> 00:44:00.559 it was really cold. It was one of those where people were calling in 537 00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:06.480 and saying, I think those members are bad choice. So who were really 538 00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:09.320 cold? Yeah, you know, it was exciting to know that we have 539 00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:13.880 people across the states that we're all looking up, and we had cell phone 540 00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:17.760 numbers of people online and unfortunately we didn't see any things that night. But 541 00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.440 the next time we tried it yet we did. You know, have a 542 00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:27.280 couple of reports of something strange. Cool. Well, and our magazine should 543 00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:30.679 be out a few days before your conference, if not a couple of days 544 00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:34.760 after, but you can go to the stores and then read about Travis wall 545 00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:38.519 because we have a story on him in this magazine. It's it's focused on 546 00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:44.800 abductions. Then you can have more poignant questions for him when you go to 547 00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:50.440 their signing books. He says, new books out right, It's got a 548 00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:53.400 whole new chapter, an update. Mm hm. He's a lot of fun. 549 00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:58.000 He's such a great guy. Oh, just such a gentleman, just 550 00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:06.599 a real nice gentleman. Now do you have in Missouri any famous abduction cases 551 00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:13.440 like that, or even if it's not famous, just an interesting one. 552 00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:22.719 Interesting abduction cases in Missouri? Yeah, we've I don't know necessarily if they're 553 00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:30.480 famous, but there have been reports, and I guess that that's probably what 554 00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:32.440 wend the eastbart is going to be talking about, because she's going to be 555 00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:38.199 talking about abduction cases in Missouri. But as far as famous ones like Travis 556 00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:43.480 Walton, I don't believe. So I don't know. I could be wrong. 557 00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:46.440 I've slept for three hours, so oh no, well, not many 558 00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:53.480 cases get that famous. Well, I guess we got a couple of minutes 559 00:45:53.519 --> 00:46:00.480 exactly two. Uh, I know you're on sci Fi's Investigates all so where 560 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:07.400 the Sci Fi Roswell special? Where you guys went dig to do that archaeology 561 00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:17.079 archaeological dig. Where can people still working more people get more information about those 562 00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:24.559 digs. Oh, you can go to www dot UFO nut dot com to 563 00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:30.559 my brother check Zukowski's website. There's information there. There's there's pictures of some 564 00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:37.440 pieceows debris that we found were still in the process of getting investigated, and 565 00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:42.159 some other interesting things that we've found in the area. And your brother truly 566 00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:50.119 isn't that well. We we're out of time. Thank you so much, 567 00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:53.800 Debbie for being on the show in the middle of the night. Missouri. 568 00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:59.639 Move on dot org is where you can go get more information on that conference 569 00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:04.039 and r It sounds like it's gonna be a lot of fun. It's always 570 00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:07.679 fun to be hanging out with Chucking Debbie. So stay tuned. Thanks for 571 00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:15.199 listening to Open Minds Radio, your UFO news authority. Join us next week 572 00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:27.400 for more fun. Calculator Wait, counsa thing? Do you watch your faith? 573 00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:47.239 Cracks the past? Alien Let go movies. Folks back