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Hudson River Radio dot com. This
is Travis Walton and you are listening to

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UFO Headquarters. Beautiful headquarters, and
good evening everybody. I'm very happy to

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say that the man himself who wrote
this great intro music is with us tonight.

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Gary Treiber, how are you?
Oh great, Linda, how are

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you? I'm doing good. Thank
you so much for joining us on somewhat

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short notice. Mike is returning from
Iceland, of all places. Oh wow,

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yeah, looking for winter. Thank
god, it was winter there.

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He said. It was very,
very cold and windy. But it's called

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Iceland for a reason. Um,
so we how about this for a transition.

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We will have some very chilling encounters
tonight. How's that smooth? I'm

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ready for it, all right?
So um. Our last episode was about

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the Alagash abductions, the three men
who were camping in the main wilderness,

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and which led me to think about
some of the more local camping encounters,

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hence the title encounters wild camping of
tonight's episode. And you used to camp

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a lot, correct? Yeah?
I camped all over Blue Ridge Mountains and

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New York State. And actually,
yeah, a lot of people think of

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New York from other parts of the
country and they think New York City.

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Well, you get a short distance
out of New York City and there is

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a lot of wilderness out there.
It certainly is, yes. And so

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the episodes we're got the cases we're
going to be talking about tonight. Um,

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when I say camping, I'm not
talking you know, Jellystone Park with

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water slides and mini golf and a
thousand screening kids, which is fine if

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that's what you like. I'm talking
you know, some of these campgrounds have

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you know, all the peace and
quiet of Broadway in Manhattan. I'm talking

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about the more secluded places. And
you again, you don't have to go

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that far outside of towns to find
you know, deep dark woods places where

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let's say you are vulnerable. Yeah, even in Rockland County. You know,

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there's some camping up by Lake Welch
and there's a lot of woods up

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there. There are a lot of
UFOs over Harman State Park there, which

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with all those lakes, exactly a
lot of strangeness going on. So let's

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yeah. Um, so let's jump
into the first case. It's summer of

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nineteen eighty four and a woman we
will call Marge is living in Sogridy's New

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York and she goes on an overnight
horseback riding trip from Palenville to North South

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Lakes. Have you ever been to
North South Lakes? I've been. Isn't

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it up by oh what's your name? That somewhere near Palinville Ski Areas?

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Yeah, I've been. I've been. I've been around that area. Yeah.

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Um, I really need we need
to take a field trip to North

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and South Lakes because I've gotten a
lot of strange reports from up there.

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So it's probably still some wonderful remote
areas. I know there's campgrounds up there,

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and back in eighty four things were
probably a lot more you know,

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remote. So Marge is on this
horseback riding trip and it's a steep,

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narrow trail up the mountains. But
she said, just absolutely beautiful views for

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people who don't know the Hudson Valley. You should really take a trip here,

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especially this time of year. The
maple trees are bright orange, you

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know, the fall foliage. It's
we are really fortunate to be in such

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a beautiful area. It's spectacular.
Yes, that's the word for it.

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Their campsite was near a ledge.
I don't know, I don't think it's

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ever a good idea to have a
campsite near a ledge. Yeah, yeah,

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but all the other riders were much
younger, and so immediately, what's

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the best way to commune with nature? They start partying and drinking. Marge

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said she was the only one who
was not drunk by the time they all

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went to bed, and she's having
trouble sleeping. The horses kept making noise

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of like distress. She couldn't understand
what was getting the horses so agitated,

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and she checked on them like two
or three times, and she said the

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rambunctious ones somehow gut untied and were
wandering off, which again not a good

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idea when you're camping near a ledge. So she has to get up a

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couple of times in the night to
retrieve the horses and tie them back up.

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And here it comes three thirty am, which so much happens three thirty

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usually when I'm wide awake thinking about
cases like this, she said. Suddenly

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everything fell completely silent. She said, you could hear a pin drop,

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then the tent lit up with a
light. You can't run to your car

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and lock the door and drive away. You've gone up a mountain on horseback.

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So as I said, you're you're
kind of vulnerable there. So she

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lifts the tent flap. Very brave
of her. I mean, you know,

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some people would just bury their heads. And she said there were six

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or seven bright white lights hovering over
the edge of the ledge, so they

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weren't resting on the ground, they
were hanging in the air right by the

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ledge, and she said there was
no sound. She immediately woke up her

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tent mate, who looked at the
lights but was still I guess quite drunk.

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Was absolutely terrified. You know,
I was yelling, I have no

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idea what that is. And she
buries her head in the sleeping bag and

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that was it. Of course,
I can't blame her. And then this

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is curious, so March said,
I kept looking at the lights for I

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don't know how long, but the
next thing I knew it was morning.

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Several hours of missing time. She
has absolutely no idea. And we've talked

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about this on the show before.
Is it better to not know? Is

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it a good thing you have missing
time and don't remember what happened? Pretty

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pretty frightening stuff. I don't know. Yeah, I've always been a fraid

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to find out because you know,
I've had plenty of missing time and I

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don't really know what happened during most
of them. I know I'm still a

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little afraid to find out. Yeah, perfectly understandable. It's what kind of

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Pandora's box are you opening? Um, maybe it's a blessing you don't remember,

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but um yeah for a reason,
yes, yes, yeah, and

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she had future sightings from there as
if you know, which is often the

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case people who have an encounter,
an abduction, whatever you want to say,

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it is, Um, it changes
you and as as well, we

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know things are never different, so
I mean things are always different after that.

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So um yeah, North and South
Lakes, I think I think before

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the cold weather, we all need
to take a little field trip, maybe

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not camping near a ledge, but
at least chatting it out. Yeah yeah,

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so before we continue, Neil,
maybe we could take our first short

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we are back with guest host Gary
Tribert this evening. And we were just

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talking again a little at the break
about the North and South Lake area,

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and you you recalled what the ski
area was, Yeah, a Hunter Mountain

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area. Yeah, that's I've been
into both of those campgrounds, but just

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to drive through and look at them. I've never stayed there, but yeah,

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Hunter's a beautiful area. Yeah.
And in addition to skiing, they

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used to have a great zip line
there. I love flying through the air.

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Zip lining. You know where you're
in a harness and they you hook

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onto this line and you go screaming
through the air. It yeah, good

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times. It's better than camping next
to a ledge. But so our next

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one, I'm going to rather than
relay the story, I think it's I

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think it's good when you can actually
read somebody's testimony. So we're going to

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Austining, New York August of nineteen
seventy four, and we're again we were

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talking at the break the Tea Town
Lake Reservation area, which that I am

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not familiar with, so I'd have
to check that out. August nineteenth,

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nineteen seventy four. This is the
one of the witnesses hear her own words

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here. I went camping with two
girlfriends on the outskirts of town near Teatown

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Lake Reservation. And let me interject
here, three three teenage girls camping alone

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in the woods. That's a little
risky to begin with, but you know,

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seventy four different times. Yeah,
I can't imagine too many parents would

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say, go on, girls,
go in the woods, have a good

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night. Early teens or mid teens, pretty young. Yeah, yeah,

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So, she says, it was
a beautiful crisp August evening. We stayed

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up talking till late evening, then
decided to go to sleep. We slept

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with no tent, just sleeping bags
and a tarp the ground, as the

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ground was damp from a previous rain
that the day before. So that's that's

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pretty rough, just sleeping on the
ground. Good for them, she said.

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I was restless and couldn't fall asleep. I saw what I thought were

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small animals approaching our campsite. It
was slightly misty. What I was actually

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seeing were the grays, about eight
to ten of them, about three to

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four feet tall, large heads,
very large insect like eyes, small mouth

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slits, and long fingers. They
were flow walking, that's the term she

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used. They were almost like floating
towards us. Eight to ten of them.

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And you're alone in the woods.
Wow, And again, this is

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seventy four, where way before you
know, everybody said, oh Whitley Streber's

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book Communion, everybody started seeing grays
not so much in seventy four. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, She said.
I was petrified with fear and could

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not speak up. One of the
small beings looked as though if he or

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she might touch my arm, and
I thought I was going to die from

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fear. Another figure made a sweeping
motion with its arm, and the grays

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backed back walked floated, She said, back hyphen walked life and floated away

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from us, And yeah, yeah, and you hear this a lot that

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you don't actually see them walking so
much sometimes, as is this weird floating?

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She said. I couldn't move for
a while, maybe two minutes,

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but it felt like a lifetime.
Then one one of my friends blurted out

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something and I finally yelled, are
you okay? She said, I had

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a weird dream and we didn't talk
about what happened for four years. And

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how often do we hear this?
You have the most incredible event of your

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life and no one talks about it. So she said, uh, it

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was four years later that my friend
came over and I finally asked her about

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that night in August of seventy four. She said she and I had the

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same experiences. She said, my
friend is bright, fearless, had two

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grown sons and a PhD. But
she does not like to think about the

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experience because it basically scared her to
death. She both of them rarely talked

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about it, and as she said
something like this is out of the human

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comfort zone, I thought that was
a good way to put it. The

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human comfort zone. Witness number two
also gave a statement. She said,

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when we'd started discussing it years later, we both flipped out because we had

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the same dream she's calling it,
and could remember details so long after.

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As she describes it, a whole
mess of creatures were moving up the hill

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where we were sleeping. There may
have been eight, there may have been

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more, all of them hovering over
us. They moved rapidly like insects,

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yet were nebulous from the waist down. I was paralyzed with fear and felt

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like a cadaver on a medical table. My friend was moaning in fear,

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which somehow comforted me as I knew
I was not alone. Well, that's

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a small comfort. My friend was
moaning she said. The creatures were all

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a light grayish brown with very very
elongated bodies. Their heads were large and

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their arms, as were their arms
and eyes. Soon what she called a

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teacher came up the hill and said, now she heard this in her head,

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don't touch them, they're human.
You'll scare them. That's very interesting,

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she said. Then they all flitted
up the hill and left. She

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said, the only different between what
she and I saw was that her creatures

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had almost almond shaped eyes and mine
were clearly oval shaped. And she made

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a sketch of one of these creepy
looking, large eyed creatures, which is

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in my new UFO book, and
it's it's very chilling to look at.

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And there were three girls, so
two of them had the same exact experiences.

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The other one either will not talk
about it or claims she doesn't remember

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anything happening, which of course is
possible. Apparently there wasn't any missing time,

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and the encounter was relatively brief that
they know of. Ye you know,

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you're out in the middle of the
woods. Did the encounter last two

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minutes? Did it last two hours? Did? It's hard to tell.

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Yeah, Did they really back off? Because the girls were scared or did

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they just lose consciousness? Either way? And and again, you know we're

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talking what almost fifty years later.
Yeah, these memories are still fresh and

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frightening. Yeah for these girls.
So I don't know how much more camping

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they did the rest of their lives. I think that might be it for

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me. That might yeah, it
might have been it. Yeah. Yeah,

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so and that you know, we're
not talking the middle of the Adirondacks

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here, we're talking outside of Austining. I don't even know where there's a

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lake over there. Well, it
wasn't a lake. It was the Tea

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Town. Oh, you know,
you're right, Tea Town Lake Reservation.

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I don't know. I should have
looked that up on my bed. You

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look it up. And maybe that's
another another evening trip this Halloween season too.

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Yeah, see what's moving and shaking
in the woods. But wait,

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there's several there's two more cases at
least I have here. So, Neil,

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back again. Hopefully everyone out there is

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ready for some more encounters while camping. Gary, You're not going to be

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dusting off the tent anytime soon,
are you? And I don't think so.

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My rough camping days are over.
Yeah. You know, the Hampton

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Inn with the waffle machine sounds about
as rough as I want to go these

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days. Used to love to camp
as remote as possible. But Gary,

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things out there, not the least
of which are the crazy people out there.

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Yeah, so we're not going to
talk about some of them. No.

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No, we are going next to
Indian Lake, which is deep in

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the Adirondex the Moose River Recreation Area. I looked this up. Basically,

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if you go up to the lake
George Warrensburg area, uh, and go

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two hours west. Um, I
mean you are in there. You are

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in the heart of the ADIRONDACKX Dogman
territory. Dog Man, Yes, I

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thought everything was Dogman territory. So
that's another episode of another show. Yeah.

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Um, so we're going We're going
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again, you know, fairly early
case and you know, pre Hudson Valley

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Wave of the eighties, and this
case was investigated by Pete Missola, who

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unfortunately is no longer with us.
He was a Vietnam Vette, a New

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York City cop, and I've probably
talked about him before on the show.

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He started the SBI, the Scientific
Bureau of Investigation, put out a newsletter.

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I've read it. I'm trying to
collect all of his news letters,

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and he had formed a group of
mostly cops or ex cops who went in

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investigated cases and did did really good
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I would love to find his notes
because I believe he was planning to write

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a book on this case. It's
that extensive. So anybody out there says,

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hey, I know one of Pete's
kids and they have his manuscript,

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I'd love to get eyes on that. Did Mike No h No, I

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think that was before before Mike's time. He passed away from cancer. I

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think in the eighties. I'm not
sure of the date, but anyway,

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we're going to two friends, twenty
nine year old Dave Harmon and thirty four

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year old Tony d Ambrosio. They
had been planning a hunting trip to this

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area months in advance, and by
coincidence. Both months earlier. I had

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had a premonition they would see a
UFO, which is kind of a curious

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thing too. Yeah. Yeah,
So they're out in this wilderness hunting for

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a couple of days. Brings us
to October thirty, first Halloween. They

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are fishing for their breakfast. Nothing
like a good lake trout for breakfast,

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fresh fish and anush fish in the
morning. Yeah, there you go.

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Before my vegetarian days, wouldn't dream
of hurting a scale on a fish now.

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But anyway, as they're fishing,
two AF phantom jets buzz overhead at

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tree top level and circled over and
over again. Now, Dave was a

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Vietnam Vet. He knew aircraft inside
it out, and he said, what

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was very strange about this where these
jets were armed with missiles? Why,

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yeah, that's over the Adirondex and
Tony had been hunting this area for twelve

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years and this was the first time
he had ever seen any military aircraft in

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this area. So nothing terribly unusual, but certainly caught their attention. Then

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the second weird thing that night.
It was the first time when they were

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there the animals didn't go for their
camping garbage. Now, if you've ever

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camped, you know, if you
do not put your garbage up in the

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you know, put it on a
rope and put it up in the air,

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up a tree. The animals will
tear it to bits and you'll wake

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up in the morning with containers.
Yeah, with garbage everywhere. They didn't

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go for it. It was very
eerily silent in the woods that night.

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They even tried putting out big chunks
of food. They said to bring the

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animals in because they're like, what's
what's going on where everything? When the

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animals go silent, you might want
to get in your car and go home,

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right, Yeah, no crickets,
no, nothing. So they finally

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get in their tent, get in
their cots, turned out their Coleman lantern.

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I mean, who didn't have a
Coleman lantern? Who went who went

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camping? Still have several And they're
talking in the darkness and then all of

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a sudden the tent lights up.
How many times do we this is?

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This has got to be so terrifying. And Tony says, hey, do

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you see that? And Dave says, yeah, it looks like a giant

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flashlight shining on the top of the
tent. Well, what the hell,

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You're in the middle of the Adirondacks. Who's up? Who's up in the

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air beating a light on your tent? Yeah? So fortunately the light went

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off in a few seconds. And
when one of the investigators asked Tony,

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well, did you get out and
look basically hell, no. We closed

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our eyes and prayed and nothing else
happened. So they went to sleep.

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So again, you're out. I
don't know that I would continue to stay

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there, would you. Yeah,
I don't know. Nothing really happened just

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at I kind of had an experience
like that too, in the middle of

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the night, woke up in the
whole woods was lit up around me.

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But anyway, no, and you
stayed and I stayed. Yeah, and

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nothing else happened, no, that
you know of. I mean we are

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talking about you, Gary. There
was probably about twelve hours of missing time

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as a result. And you know
what. It was at a state park

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by Woodstock, and I was camping
on kind of a ledge and there was

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a big ravine and in the middle
of the night, the whole ravine was

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lit up like daylight, and it
woke me up, and my whole tent

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was lit up and I opened up
the zipper, went and looked out and

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I didn't you know, nobody was
out there in the middle. There was

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like three in the morning. Anyway, I want to continue with your story.

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Oh no, I am. I
am fascinated by your story. You

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had the guts to stay. I
mean, yeah, clearly there was no

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rational. My wife woke up till
we both woke up in the woods was

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our tent was lit up in the
woods. Down in the ravine was lit

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up, and I, you know, and I couldn't see anything but this

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really bright light coming from down in
the woods down there, and we just

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went back to sleep. And the
next morning we felt like when we woke

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up, we for a while,
we felt really strange. We felt like

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we were leaving our body. Oh
jeez. Yeah, so we probably were

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half said that to each other,
you know that we felt I feel like

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I'm leaving my body. I feel
really strange, and my wife did too.

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But anyway, we had breakfast and
everything was kind of normal. Again.

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Did you stay another night? I
think so? Yeah? Wow,

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Wow, nothing to see here,
just a bright light and out of body

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experiences. Let's keep camping. But
I'm not afraid. Wow. Wow,

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well, there you go encounter.
Do you know remember about what year that

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would have been? Oh goodness,
seventies, eighties, No, nineties,

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nineties? Oh wow, okay maybe
mid nineties. Okay, wow. So

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at Wilson State Park. Okay,
that's their woodstock, he said, yeah,

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where all sorts of strange things happen. Yeah. I camped there quite

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a bit. Wow. I think
that would have been the last, first

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and last time I would have camped
there. But that was really strange.

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Yeah, at least I have no
explanation for it. There's no way anyone

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could have driven up into this ravine
because there are there no roads there.

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It was yeah, woods, woods, especially at three am. And yeah,

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I didn't hear any sound at all. It was just all lit up.

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Wow. Wow. Well there you
go. Well that's kind of anticlimactic

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now for this story. But now
that that's that's fascinating and chilling. Yea.

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So let's get back to Tony and
Dave, who had a very similar

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thing with their tent lighting up.
Um. So we're now November first.

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Um, they you know, nothing
else happened that night. So they went

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back to sleep, and it's five
thirty pm. They are getting dinner ready

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and they see an object. I
think, oh, must be a helicopter.

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And then they see a second one
and they realize it's not a helicopter.

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And I have some of their actual
testimony thanks to the SBI investigators.

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Dave said, it was about five
thirty PM and we were around the tent.

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The car was alongside the tent,
and also we were going to settle

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down, and we were going to
settle down to eat. I saw something

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from out of the corner of my
eye, thinking it was a helicopter.

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I continued to unload our supplies from
the trunk of the car as Tony heated

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up the gas stove. Next thing
I see is an object coming slowly at

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us, and I immediately called Tony
over to take a look. We both

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stood there for about five seconds in
amazement as it neared us. Tony said,

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I was starting I was attempting to
start the gas stove when I heard

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Dave yell for me to come to
his car. There I saw this object

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pass slowly by us. The thing
that got me was this red pulsating light,

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like a sort of hypnotic type of
light on the bottom of the object.

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While watching the object, my eyes
were transfixed on that red light,

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and although I was conscious, I
was unable to move another That paralysis is

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also something you know we have heard. Tony said. The object also had

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a white glow around it, and
it was shaped like a very long cigar.

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It moved within three hundred yards of
us and then went down behind some

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trees on a logging trail roadway.
So at this point they're terrified whatever this

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is has landed very close to where
they're camping and on the road they need

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to drive on to get out of
there. So for they staying another night,

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No, they are not even going
to stay this night, which we

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will see now. Tony had a
thirty caliber M one car beam and Dave

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had a thirty five caliber Marlin rifle, and you better believe they grabbed their

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rifles and jumped in the car,
and Dave said, we were doing about

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ninety miles per hour on an old
logging road. That is that is death

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defying. Yeah, And they got
to the point where they thought the craft

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was landed. They didn't see anything, so they slowed down to only fifty,

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which is again only yeah. Yeah. Then they reached we reached a

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point on the road where there was
a sharp curve and Tony noticed the same

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red pulsating light that we had seen
minutes before. Tony Dave floored the gas

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again and we could see the object
pursuing us. So now this object is

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chasing them, that they made a
mistake of passing it. Yeah, it's

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keeping slightly above tree top level all
the way to the ranger station. That

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was fifteen miles. Can you imagine
the fifteen miles of fear and terror with

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this thing? And one of them
wanted to shoot at it, and the

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others like, no, don't shoot
at it. You're going to make it

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worse. Yeah, so Tony said, we explained to the ranger at the

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station what happened, and they figured
he's gonna say, what are you guys

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drunk or high or whatever he said, But to our own amazement, he

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told us he had seen the object
following us to the station. So there's

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one of these towers and the rangers
in that tower, his TV goes crazy.

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He loses picture. He hears a
sound and sees this UFO chasing these

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two guys to the station. So
the ranger calls the state troopers. They

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arrive, they check out the scene. People hear what's going on in the

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CB radio. So they show up. So you have a good you have

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a good little crowd of people,
rangers, troopers, townspeople, locals,

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and things get a little weird because
then these disc shaped objects came all the

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way down to within five hundred yards
of us, and they all watched as

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these discs settled down in one of
the lakes again, in and out of

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water. I thought they said it
was cigars. The original one was cigar

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shaped. These are different. There's
there's several of there's like three of them

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now that they're at the ranger station. All the people who had gathered there,

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the troopers and the other people,
UM, see these three disc shaped

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objects. In fact, they were
seen all around the area that night and

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the entire uh they thought, the
entire thing from the first sighting at the

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campground lasted about an hour. We
will see that is not quite right.

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Um. And again they were talking
of maybe we should shoot at it.

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But but I love this um comment, uh, Dave said, I remember

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making a few statements to the effect, don't show any violence. The best

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part, the best part of it
all is we don't know who they were

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and what they wanted from us,
but I felt they were smarter than us

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because they were up there flying in
that thing and we were down here driving

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a beat up, old seventy three
oldsmobile. Yeah. Yeah, there you

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have it. You've you've brought an
oldsmobile to a UFO chase. Yeah.

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Um. So that's pretty amazing.
And they was very well documented. But

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that's not the end because when Tony
and Dave got home, Tony's face swelled

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up and got completely distorted, distorted. Dave, who was young and healthy,

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started having chest pains and they both
had recurring nightmares. They were diagnosed

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as having electro magnetic sickness that is
not a typical thing, that is having

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yeah, too much EMF. Over
time and with different medications like cortizone,

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this the symptoms resolved. But even
that's not the end of it. Tony

409
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had a German shepherd, and anybody
who's ever had a wonderful German shepherd knows

410
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how loyal and loving these dogs are. You know, they stick with you

411
00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:32.159
through thick and thin. Well after
returning from the camping trip, the dog

412
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treated him like a stranger and started
growling at him when he tried to approach,

413
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:44.519
as if he was going to attack
him. Oh boy, So what

414
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:52.480
the hell did this encounter do to? Tony? And Dave had a parakeet

415
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that used to sit on his shoulder
or sit in his hand. Was very

416
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friendly that the bird loved to sit
on him. Now the parakeet was terrified

417
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:07.360
of Dave any time he tried to
get near and if he tried to put

418
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:15.400
his hand out, the bird would
attack him. Wow, that's this is

419
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:22.119
very crazy. And they also find
out that what they thought was a straight

420
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:29.760
drive to the ranger station took sixty
to ninety minutes longer than they thought.

421
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:35.280
They checked with the timeline of the
ranger and the other people, and they

422
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:39.199
realized they had an hour or an
hour and a half of missing time.

423
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:46.000
They come home, their own loving
pets want to attack them as if they're

424
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dangerous strangers. They both developed ESP
capabilities, which again we hear and there's

425
00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:06.079
a lot of high strangeness started happening
to them. So there's a lot more

426
00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:13.639
to this case. Um, but
I can't say it enough. These type

427
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:21.719
of encounters change you. And was
there some sort of chemical smell or ir

428
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:27.840
residual EMF or what was it that
happened to these two men? That.

429
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Yeah, yeah, I mean that, and I it's rare. But I've

430
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:40.679
heard that when people's pets will suddenly
start treating them like they don't know them

431
00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:52.079
and that they're terrified of them.
And that's another story. Um. But

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then we hear that with animals too, that animals have these encounters and their

433
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:07.000
personalities are changed. Uh. So
again, if anybody has any uh knowledge

434
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:12.320
of Pete Mossola. Uh there was
an investigator, Dan Lewinsky, a couple

435
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:19.960
of other really good investigators. They
had and they had reams of notes that

436
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:23.039
they never got to publish into a
book. And that is a book I

437
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:27.559
would love to see. That is
a book I would love to write if

438
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:34.519
if I had the material. Because
this sounds like a very important case up

439
00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:40.679
your aisle, both of our aisles, for for sure. Um, how

440
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:45.400
are we doing time wise? I
have one other case? You ready to

441
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:52.119
want to squeeze one more in?
You? Yeah? Yeah? Okay,

442
00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:59.840
Um, so we're going Yeah.
I was asking if you're up for one

443
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:02.519
more case, Neil, We're good
to go for another case, all right?

444
00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:07.480
I got the thumbs up. All
right, So one more encounter while

445
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:12.320
camping. We're going to Phoenicia,
New York, which we both know that

446
00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:19.360
area, beautiful area. This was
mayor June around nineteen sixty. So this

447
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:28.239
is going way back again, very
remote. And this man Ray who was

448
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:34.320
in the Navy. He was with
Naval Air Crash and Rescue. He had

449
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:39.760
top secret clearance. He dealt with
atomic bombs on B fifty twos. He

450
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:45.880
watched SR seventy one blackbirds take off, you know, when nobody was supposed

451
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:51.360
to know what they were. So
he knew aircraft. He could identify aircraft

452
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:55.320
by the sound of the engines.
He didn't need to see a craft.

453
00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:01.519
So and the type of guy he
was, Um, he once spent sixteen

454
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:07.400
days on a survival trek alone in
the woods, just for the fun of

455
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:13.440
it, so he could see he
could do it. Yeah, do that

456
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:17.559
once a year. Nothing like a
good So you know, you don't take

457
00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:23.239
anything with you except your weapon,
your knife, Um, and you live

458
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:29.519
off the land. Good good for
him and you and your crucifix that it

459
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:35.920
there you go, or at a
bottle of holy water, whatever whatever gets

460
00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:40.960
you through. So he was stationed
at Floyd Bennett Field on the city there

461
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:45.320
and he got five days of liberty. You you were in the navy,

462
00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:49.880
what, Well, maybe we shouldn't
ask what you did on your five days

463
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:55.519
of liberty. It was never five
days. How much did you usually get

464
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:06.239
oh uple of weeks? Oh weeks? Nice. No, we'd have to

465
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:08.880
report back though, but you could
take time, you know, pretty much

466
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:14.880
whenever. Wow, if you had
doored up, he had thirty days a

467
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:19.920
year to use. Oh okay,
okay, Well, he only had five

468
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:23.679
days, and he decided he wanted
to go to a camping trip in Phoenicia

469
00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:31.000
at the end of panther Kill Road, which was private land there and probably

470
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:36.119
still is. And two of his
friends were going to meet him the next

471
00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:40.400
day. So he said. He
was doing the Marlboro Man thing, having

472
00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:46.360
the coffee and probably a cigarette after
dinner, just relaxing by the camp fire,

473
00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:52.000
and he sees a green light about
a mile away which is silent,

474
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:58.599
and he's watching this green light.
He said it was between the ridges of

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00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:07.880
Giant Lead and Romer Mountain, if
anybody wants to pinpoint that. And I'm

476
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:14.519
going to read some of the things
he said happened next. He was trying

477
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:17.360
to figure out what it could be. Remember, he can identify aircraft just

478
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:23.079
by their sound, but this was
silent He said it made sharp angular turns

479
00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:30.199
at incredible speeds, ninety degree turns, like pac man. I thought that

480
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:37.800
was a great district description. And
he said that. About three to five

481
00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:44.159
minutes later, another streak of green
light came from Romer Mountain and moved to

482
00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:50.280
the same spot. And after a
while it dropped straight down into the woods

483
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:55.000
and out of sight. And again
he's thinking, oh crap, this thing

484
00:47:55.159 --> 00:48:00.280
is just landed less than a mile
from where I am, all alone out

485
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:07.760
in the woods. So he admits
he became a little alarmed. He loaded

486
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:14.000
his shotgun, got into his fifty
eight Volkswagen and headed to a friend's restaurant

487
00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:17.480
in town. He said he needed
two things, a drink and a payphone,

488
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:24.280
and probably in that order. Yeah, and this is a He calls

489
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:31.320
information and gets the number for the
National Weather Service in Albany, like they're

490
00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:36.440
gonna help them. Yeah, I
guess that's all he could think of.

491
00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:43.320
Yeah. He gave them the coordinates
of the object and they told him to

492
00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:47.679
hold on. They were actually interested
for some reason, which is strange.

493
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:52.480
He said, after about ten minutes
of dropping dimes into the payphone, and

494
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:58.239
for all you young people out there, there were things called pay phones.

495
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:04.239
You put coins into make a call, and they were out on the street

496
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:10.880
or in phone booths. That's that's
all ancient technology now. Yeah, So

497
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:15.360
after spending all these dimes, he
told them, look, I'm not going

498
00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:19.159
to hold any longer. So they
asked him for the number of the pay

499
00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:23.440
phone, and this is this is
very bizarre, he said. Sure enough,

500
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:30.039
the phone rang several minutes later and
a man identified himself as a member

501
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:36.800
of a government agency Ray never heard
of. I remember, he's got top

502
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:45.280
secret clearance some some probably some bogus
agency name they gave him, and this

503
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:52.119
man said he was located in Fort
Belvoir in Virginia. He said the call

504
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:58.039
must have been on a speaker phone
because several men began asking him a long

505
00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:04.639
series of question questions. They were
stern, no nonsense attitude, and kept

506
00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:07.920
him on the phone for half an
hour. So what the hell is going

507
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:13.800
on? What's strange? Yeah,
he figured they might have been CIA or

508
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:19.239
something like that, so this is
great. Once the interview was over,

509
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:24.119
Racey said he braced himself with another
drink and headed back to his campsite.

510
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:30.039
Only he didn't drive up to it
because remember, he thinks whatever this was

511
00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:37.119
was landed and something or somebody or
something could be in his campsite. So

512
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:40.239
he parks a quarter mile away and
grabs his gun, and he said,

513
00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:46.880
he did a military crawl. You
can picture that. You can't blame him.

514
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:52.280
He doesn't want to walk right in
as he crawls through the woods to

515
00:50:52.400 --> 00:51:01.679
his campsite and sits there quietly to
see if anything's moving around. That's how

516
00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:13.239
yeah, that's how freaked out he
was. So well, I'm surprised he

517
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:17.719
didn't um so he doesn't hear anything. He said, there was no little

518
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:22.719
green men. So he went back
into his campsite now with his shotgun by

519
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:27.920
his side. He fell asleep,
he said. Then at dawn, the

520
00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:31.599
flap of his tent was yanked open, and there was a roaring sound like

521
00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:39.519
a bear grabbing his gun. He
almost shot his two idiot friends. Friends

522
00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:45.760
had showed up and they thought they
would scare him by they almost got themselves

523
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:52.400
killed. Yeah, So he tells
them the story and they're like, ah,

524
00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:55.079
it was just a you know,
it was a drunken nightmare. But

525
00:51:55.199 --> 00:52:00.360
when he gets back to the naval
air station, he is immediately called in

526
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:07.639
by the operations officer. I assume
not something um anybody in the military wants

527
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:15.519
to have happened. Called into the
Big Boss's office and he said, to

528
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:23.559
his astonishment, the officer said that
he had been briefed about raised sighting and

529
00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:32.440
knew all the details. Wow,
that's that's that's bizarre. Yeah, he

530
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:38.559
calls the National Weather spring light.
Yeah, he calls the National Weather Service.

531
00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:45.639
They call some government agency. The
government agency calls his superior officer and

532
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:52.159
fills him in and what the what. The operations officer was told that the

533
00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:59.840
same object had first been reported that
night by a Navy ship in the philip

534
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:05.360
Sea, so basically on the other
side of the Earth. From there,

535
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:13.599
the object was tracked and repeatedly spotted
across the ocean to California, through Utah,

536
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:17.320
etc. On a straight line,
all the way to the Catskills,

537
00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:22.800
right where poor Ray had been camping. Oh, no, wonder they were

538
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:29.039
interested, that's why. And the
object was moving, they said, over

539
00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:34.880
twenty two faster than an SR seventy
one, like twenty five hundred miles an

540
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:43.599
hour. So that was when in
nineteen sixty, nineteen sixty, So when

541
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:51.400
the government says they don't know anything, bs, they tracked this object from

542
00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:57.159
the Philippine Sea, all across the
ocean, across the country, made a

543
00:53:57.199 --> 00:54:04.119
b line for poor poor Ray in
the Catskills. Um. But yeah,

544
00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:12.679
um certainly certainly changed his life as
well, and did more happen than just

545
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:19.280
seeing the green light? He doesn't, he doesn't know, but certainly it

546
00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:22.960
affected him and he remembered it forever. And I asked him, I said,

547
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:28.719
should you even be talking about this? And he said, I never

548
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:31.679
signed anything, and you know,
at this point in my life, I

549
00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:40.239
don't care. I'm not to talk
about it. I guess it was okay,

550
00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:44.239
yeah, yeah, And I guess
if you don't sign anything. The

551
00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:51.559
operations officer said he was not to
disclose this information. But yeah, almost

552
00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:54.840
sixty years less sixty more than sixty
years later, somebody wants to come after

553
00:54:54.920 --> 00:55:00.599
him. I don't think that's happening. Yeah, Um, But there we

554
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:07.840
have it, Um, some rather
chilling and terrifying encounters, missing time,

555
00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:16.760
probable abductions, just scaring the hell
out of you. Yeah, so yeah,

556
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:21.400
thanks, so Um. I don't
think either of us will be Maybe

557
00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:25.719
we'll camp in my backyard someday.
Uh, I don't know. I'm afraid

558
00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:30.440
of those tis. Yes, yeah, we do have killer ticks here,

559
00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:37.679
but I'll put down a lot of
huh. I'm more afraid of the ticks,

560
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:42.920
more afraid of the ticks than the
aliens. Yeah, but uh yeah.

561
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:47.400
So that's that's the stories. Um
anything else you want to add,

562
00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:53.599
Gary, Oh no, I don't
think so. I enjoyed being here with

563
00:55:53.719 --> 00:55:59.199
you. I loved having you here. Thanks so much again for filling in

564
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:06.599
short notice. You're always welcome on
this show. Um, so I think

565
00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:12.480
we should have a nice long lead
out of the of the music you wrote

566
00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:15.400
for our show. So thanks again, Gary, thank you, Neil,

567
00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:22.320
and we'll see you all again soon
on UFO Headquarters on Hudson River Radio.

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00:56:22.599 --> 00:57:10.440
Good night, Linda, God do
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