WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:07.360 You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand Chip. Welcome to the Jesus 2 00:00:07.440 --> 00:00:13.000 Christ Show. Hello Jesus, my brother. What's going on? Roughly? 3 00:00:13.240 --> 00:00:16.440 I don't know. Ten years ago, I was heavily involved in a cell 4 00:00:16.519 --> 00:00:21.920 church and things are going great, and then all of a sudden, my 5 00:00:22.039 --> 00:00:27.079 prayer life became I don't know, for lack of a better description, putting 6 00:00:27.079 --> 00:00:32.039 my prayer in a bucket that disappeared into the black distance. And when it 7 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:36.920 started to happen, I recognized it immediately because I was so used to feeling 8 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:40.159 the presence of God just in you know. I mean, I've drive him 9 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:43.200 to work, I talked to him and you know, moving on, I 10 00:00:43.359 --> 00:00:46.399 just you know, always talked to him and he was always there and whatever. 11 00:00:46.520 --> 00:00:50.520 And then this started, and so I recognized it changed immediately, and 12 00:00:52.079 --> 00:00:57.600 I prayed with even more, with even more vigor, And you know, 13 00:00:57.679 --> 00:00:59.439 I said, you know, what am I doing wrong? I know it's 14 00:00:59.479 --> 00:01:02.039 me, because it's not him. It had to be me. What have 15 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:04.640 I done? What did I do? What am I doing? You know? 16 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:08.159 You know I asked my friends to do the same. My friends prayed 17 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:12.640 with me and for me, and you know, I was you know, 18 00:01:12.799 --> 00:01:17.079 drop a bus on me, whatever it takes to open my mind or my 19 00:01:17.159 --> 00:01:22.200 eyes or my heart or whatever I've done. And finally, after about five 20 00:01:22.319 --> 00:01:27.680 years of doing this, I just kind of I don't know, I'm wondering 21 00:01:27.719 --> 00:01:33.200 if I'm just full of baloney, you know, I'm I'm wondering, you 22 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:37.680 know, is this what it's to do? Most Christians not feel the presence 23 00:01:37.719 --> 00:01:42.599 of God? Was it my imagination? No? It depends how you're feeling 24 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:48.519 him, Chip, I mean, are you saying that you felt God when 25 00:01:48.560 --> 00:01:52.719 it was attached to certain things that you got that you wanted. No, 26 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:57.120 just mowing the lawn. He was just there. How has that changed? 27 00:01:57.319 --> 00:02:01.359 I don't know. I don't know. I mean, the sel Church is 28 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:08.360 a part of fell apart, but we joined another one and that didn't go 29 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:15.199 real well either. But then sometimes when I hear those things, here's the 30 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:20.159 rule, Chip, straight out, If you are standing in front of a 31 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:23.360 building and you see it in front of your face and it's right there, 32 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:27.639 and then all of a sudden, a couple of years later, you don't 33 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:32.560 see that building, the likelihood of that building getting up and moving is slim. 34 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:38.879 Right, It's you that's moved exactly. So there you're the one. 35 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:43.240 The pillar of God stands firm. If you're not seeing God, usually it's 36 00:02:43.240 --> 00:02:47.759 because you've moved away for some reason. And if you get caught up in 37 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:52.919 the movement of a church or the movement of a body, or a particular 38 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:58.400 teacher or anything, you get caught up just in that you lose the beauty 39 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:01.680 of what's really going on. And that doesn't mean that there aren't wonderful you 40 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:07.439 know, groups or churches or teachers that have great followings. It's not about 41 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:09.199 that. It's if you get caught up in the movement though. If you 42 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:19.000 just get caught up in that experience experience, then it becomes, you know, 43 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:24.240 simply about the experience and less about God. And sometimes people go for 44 00:03:24.319 --> 00:03:30.960 that feeling. It's like we say on the program that that happiness is a 45 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:37.800 momentary feeling of joy due to happening. So people confuse happiness for joy sometimes, 46 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:40.560 and happiness is and joy, joy is constant. It's always there. 47 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:45.879 It's for those who understand that it's there even in bad times. It's not 48 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:47.919 something that, oh, someone gave me a cake, someone gave me money. 49 00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:52.919 Oh things are going my way. Therefore I'm happy, It's always there. 50 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:59.039 Joy is the pure understanding and acceptance of existing and the complexity and the 51 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:02.800 intensity of what that means. Wow, I exist. That is a wonderful, 52 00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:08.919 wonderful thing in good times and bad so for believers. Often you can 53 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:14.719 get wrapped up in an experience or a particular church, and I hear people 54 00:04:14.719 --> 00:04:16.639 all the time chip that will will say, hey, you know what, 55 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:21.480 my pastor left, or my pastor retired. I heard recently of a pastor 56 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:29.279 who retired and has to tell people, you know, have signs and stead 57 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:32.120 of say, please respect my retirement because people didn't want to let him go, 58 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:38.319 right, and he had done God's work and he's he needs to spend 59 00:04:38.319 --> 00:04:42.360 time with his family and himself, and people were just like at his door 60 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:46.360 thinking and that becomes a form of idle worship. That becomes, you know, 61 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:51.240 people losing the truth of who God is and thinking that God only can 62 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:55.480 only be seen, only be felt through certain things. Right, you know, 63 00:04:55.920 --> 00:04:59.199 we you know, we hope the show lasts a long time. We 64 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:03.279 hope God has used and that's why we're here. However, people's faith should 65 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:06.360 not be built upon this program. Now, the faith, the face should 66 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:11.360 always be in the Father in this end absolutely, So where is he? 67 00:05:12.079 --> 00:05:15.920 So, where is he in your life that you're not seeing him, feeling, 68 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:18.800 tasting, experiencing God. Well, that's what's funny, is is he's 69 00:05:19.079 --> 00:05:25.759 really I mean what I used to take as I'm not making any sense, 70 00:05:25.959 --> 00:05:27.879 it's everywhere. I mean, it's in the fact that I'm sitting on my 71 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:30.680 back porch putting my beautiful dog. It's you know, it's in the fact 72 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:35.120 that my daughters are inside pickering over a video game. You know, good, 73 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:42.360 good things exactly. Those are the things that you should be experiencing and 74 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:46.519 taking the simplicity, Yeah you know that that, Yeah, I guess that 75 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:49.800 could be it. You just get used to it, and this is it's 76 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:54.680 it's too easy to go, ah, well, God's there. Especially when 77 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:59.519 God is there and God's really present in your life, you take it for 78 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:01.279 granted. And that's why people say, oh, why am I going through 79 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:06.240 these trials, because it's the only time you recognize being Having a little distance 80 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:10.959 from God truly makes you go, oh my gosh, God is gone. 81 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:15.000 It's not oh well I don't really feel him. No, God is there. 82 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:20.680 When just God takes enough to go on the head of a pin out 83 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:26.560 of your life and you will feel as if the bottom has dropped out lost. 84 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:32.839 Perhaps, Yeah, it's just you have to appreciate that that he's there, 85 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:35.920 and you have to see it a little different. Sometimes building the steps 86 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:41.879 Chip, people will say, oh, this guy does such and such and 87 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:45.879 I want to do that too, Or you know, people see a huge 88 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:48.199 company that's successful and they go, oh, all I've got to do is 89 00:06:48.279 --> 00:06:50.920 you know, well, there's a coffee house and they make tons of money. 90 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:55.120 I just have to make coffee on a street corner and have a cute 91 00:06:55.160 --> 00:06:58.839 logo and some scones and I'm going to be rich. I'm going to be 92 00:06:58.920 --> 00:07:02.160 a wealthy miser. Yeah, but it's not people forget. People see success 93 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:06.839 Chip and they try and copy success. Never copy success, always copy the 94 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:12.079 path to success, which is very different. A lot of times it's years 95 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:16.079 and years and years of straining and toiling and trying to figure out a proper 96 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:20.600 recipe or a proper path or raising the money or doing all these things of 97 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:23.879 it. No lady sees that. They just see the end result and they 98 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:25.959 go, oh, this is all I have to do. I have to 99 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:28.639 open a shop and I have to put coffee in it. No, there 100 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:32.360 was steps prior to that that were the most important part, not the end 101 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:35.439 result. Sometimes it's so easy to see the end result, or get used 102 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:39.680 to the end result, that you forget the steps it takes to get there, 103 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:47.680 and in forgetting that, you lose all of it. Emron, welcome 104 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:50.439 to the Jesus Christ Show. Thank you so much for taking my call, 105 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:54.240 my pleasure. We got just a couple of minutes here. So what's up, 106 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:56.720 perfect I was wondering if you could elaborate in the verse for me, 107 00:07:56.800 --> 00:08:00.639 Matthew, Chapter six, verse twenty two, and I'll take that off here. 108 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:03.439 Okay, thank you. Wow, what a courteous caller. Chapter six 109 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:11.279 twenty two. So here you're looking at me talking about wealth, and it 110 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:15.199 starts out nineteen. We'll push back because I always tell you the understand something 111 00:08:15.279 --> 00:08:16.600 you want to read before it, and you want to read after it. 112 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:20.920 So it started verse nineteen. Do not lay up for your self treasures upon 113 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:26.279 earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steel. 114 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:31.120 Then we'll jump to verse twenty two, which is the one in question 115 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:35.080 by you. The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your 116 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:39.039 eye is clear, your whole body will be full of light. But if 117 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:41.320 your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If 118 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:46.320 therefore the light that is in your darkness, that is in you is darkness, 119 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:50.600 how great is the darkness? So this is me getting upset at the 120 00:08:52.399 --> 00:09:00.120 Pharisees. And there the Pharisees were very big on gathering wealth, getting as 121 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:03.200 much as they can and gathering wealth. My point here was that they were 122 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:11.960 serving two masters and that they were not They were not able to use faith 123 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:16.080 or understand faith because they were never in need of God. They always supplied 124 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:20.960 their own stuff. They always got their own stuff. So the passage here 125 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:28.759 describing the eye is talking about if they're only looking at wealth, imagine the 126 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:33.240 old concept of having rose colored glasses. Well, if you have rose colored 127 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:37.200 glasses, everything you see will be rose colored. So if you are lusting 128 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:43.720 after and coveting after stuff, then you now the window to your soul. 129 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:50.960 Your eyes is now taking in only that lust and coveteousness for things, and 130 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:56.799 not learning about the necessity of God providing or any of those things. And 131 00:09:56.840 --> 00:09:58.639 that it goes on to say that you're serving two masters, because it's showing 132 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:03.600 that they're serving wealth and the gathering of wealth and God when they have time, 133 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:09.159 and so it's splitting them. The darkness comes from the eye being sick. 134 00:10:09.399 --> 00:10:13.120 This is implying that their eyes are sick because their eyes are bent on 135 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:18.120 gain and constantly getting wealth, and they can't see anything. If you've seen 136 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:22.159 somebody gambling or somebody who makes a lot of money, and all they think 137 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:24.639 about is making money, making money, making money, their eyes look dead 138 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:28.000 like that. They're not thinking about anything outside of it, and therefore the 139 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:35.879 inside of them is dark as well. That's what it's talking about. Joe, 140 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:39.200 Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hello, and thank you very very 141 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:46.320 much for your sacrifice. I've read the accounts of your apostles on your comments 142 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:50.360 on the hypocrisy of the Pharisees and the Sodycees, and I now follow your 143 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:54.039 instruction for prayer. But my question today is on the role of churches and 144 00:10:54.080 --> 00:11:01.159 religion everywhere I look nowadays, my understanding of the churches and religion is the 145 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:05.759 primary goal is the salvation of men's souls. But everywhere you look there are 146 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:13.039 churches involved in liberation theology and help with the environment and global warming and immigration 147 00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:18.120 and social justice, what's going on with the churches? So you're concerned with 148 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:22.919 the church being involved in what would normally fall into politics. Yes, okay, 149 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:28.600 I think it's fair, and I'll address it specifically and then generally as 150 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:35.519 well. First, generally, it's imperative that churches are involved in many aspects 151 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:39.440 of what's going on in the world. It's helpful. However, there are 152 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:45.440 times where the church becomes lazy and they forget that their job is to change 153 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:50.039 hearts, not laws, and that if you change hearts, the laws will 154 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:52.960 follow. So it's easier to change a law than it is to change the 155 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:58.320 heart of man. So a lot of times churches focus on the political and 156 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:03.080 they lose their path. However, you mentioned some specifics global warming and the 157 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:07.519 like. Well, outside of the politics of that, you know whether it's 158 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:11.240 happening or not, or any of those things. You are called throughout scripture 159 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:13.799 to be good stewards of that which is in front of you, and to 160 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:16.960 be a good steward of the planet is to be reasonable. To be a 161 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:24.440 good steward to a human kind is reasonable and completely biblical. However, those 162 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:30.120 issues you raise are hot button issues and become political and politicized very quickly, 163 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:33.919 and what happens is they become emotional rather than intellectual, and people stop being 164 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:37.000 rational about Okay, well this is what we need to do, and you 165 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:41.240 should be able to protect this or to protect that or any of these things, 166 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:45.440 and it becomes an emotional issue and that becomes a problem. And then 167 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:48.480 the church puts their and promoteur on it, and it looks like, oh, 168 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:50.600 well, the church is saying, well, we believe this, and 169 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:54.720 then this particular Protestant church is saying we believe this, and that becomes very, 170 00:12:56.759 --> 00:13:01.039 very problematic, and now the church loses it's place, which is the 171 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:07.240 spiritual compass and the compass of righteousness in the community, and now becomes just 172 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:13.519 another pundit and another politico and another voice spouting things on one side or the 173 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:18.200 other. And my response always has been, give to Caesar what is Caesar's 174 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:22.360 and give to God what is God's. So people get lost in those things, 175 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:26.759 and unfortunately there's not the balance. Sometimes there's people that say, hey, 176 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:28.840 Joe, and you may be one of them. I don't want them 177 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:31.080 near any political things, and that's not fair either. The church is in 178 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:35.200 the community, plays a part of the community, and is raising the community 179 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:39.759 and has a stake in it. And therefore the best thing a church can 180 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:43.679 do is raise people up in the way they should be. Raise them, 181 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:46.919 teach them the right things, teach them what the biblical scriptural decisions are on 182 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:52.720 things, and let them make the decisions out as they are in doing civil 183 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:56.639 things and being part of their civic duty. That's what's important. When the 184 00:13:56.720 --> 00:14:03.240 church gets too involved, yes, that is a huge problem. Raphael, 185 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:07.360 Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hello Jesus, Hi. I've had a 186 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:16.960 question for some time about how the soul or spirit actually exists within the body, 187 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:20.480 and then it leads me to the question of if it exists within the 188 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:28.279 body. So, in a word, assuming we each have individual souls, 189 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:33.639 in the event of let's say, an amputated limb, or if you donate 190 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:39.759 a heart or another organ like a kidney, does any of your soul go 191 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:46.559 with those parts or does the remaining body have any lesser soul as a result 192 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:50.000 of giving up the kidney for instance? No excellent question, but no. 193 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:56.639 You. Throughout scripture it refers to ashes, to ashes, dust to dust, 194 00:14:56.679 --> 00:15:00.639 it refers to the clay. You know, the creator using you as 195 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:07.120 clay and your body being clay, the flesh being a container of vessel reeling. 196 00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:11.639 And if you imagine it, it's like saying, if you donated your 197 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:16.240 car, does part of you leave with the car. No, you get 198 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:18.200 out of the car, and then it's just a shell. It's what you 199 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:24.559 use to move your body around in this world. Well, your body is 200 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:28.519 what moves your soul around in this world. Well, this is where it 201 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:31.559 gets a little complicated for me. Okay, years ago, I had an 202 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:39.120 ankle injury and my orthopedic surgeon made the suggestion that he could take a couple 203 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:43.840 cells of my cartilage out of my body, put it in a peatra dish 204 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:48.080 and let it grow, and as it would develop into a larger amount of 205 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:54.679 cartilage, then reinsert it and repair my ankles. So, while that cartilage 206 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:58.440 is out of my body, it is existing human tissue and it never died 207 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:04.320 up. In fact, it's growing. So if in the very near future, 208 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:08.759 science is able to take one or two other cells my body and create 209 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:15.039 a clone of being, does that other grouping of now very complicated human cells 210 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:22.360 that was my tissue initially have a soul. Well this is where the argument 211 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:26.679 goes. Now, how how it pertains to your question in this the specifics 212 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:30.360 of your question. No, your soul is not in that in those uh, 213 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:33.600 you know, organized of cells and parts of who you are. No, 214 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:40.159 but your your soul is never truly inside your body in that sense. 215 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:44.679 Your soul doesn't exist only inside your body. Your soul is a bridgeway to 216 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:49.600 a whole other world. Your soul is is that which connects you with God, 217 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:55.399 and your connection with God is completely other than an outside the body. 218 00:16:55.919 --> 00:17:00.159 The cloning process brings up a whole other set of questions where I started. 219 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:06.519 Well, that gets into whether God is going to give a soul to that 220 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:11.720 other living being or whether it's just going to be tissue and assuming assuming, 221 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:17.079 and this is where science is taking it. Or you can theoretically have replacement 222 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:22.480 body parts for yourself as long as that other organism does not have a brain 223 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:27.640 that is allowed to cultivate as part of its development, I could theoretically have 224 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:32.920 a spare heart or a spare kidney. Right. That's that's the possibility of 225 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:37.440 the path that is being trodden on as we speak. Right. So, 226 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:42.519 if the other organism impact is allowed to develop a brain does not, then 227 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:49.480 the consciousness that would have come with that suggest that somehow a different soul is 228 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:53.519 created for that new being. Well, that would be on its face where 229 00:17:53.559 --> 00:18:03.039 you would intellectually go absolutely, However, the theologically that that is all man 230 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:07.440 question, dealing with man. The placement of the soul is a God question, 231 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:11.079 and there's there is no there's nothing you can go to in scripture that's 232 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:15.279 going to point out specifically how that category would you know, fit in, 233 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:22.440 because that category doesn't exist really in scripture. So see that the only place 234 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:26.920 that the soul could then exist is in the brain. Well, that's where 235 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:30.759 that's where, that's where it's understood or actualized in one sense the way you're 236 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:34.440 experiencing it here. But for instance, in the Book of Acts, you 237 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:40.960 have Stephen being stoned to death, and there's some language in there that implies 238 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:45.240 that the bot that the soul was removed prior to the physical death of Stephen. 239 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:48.400 Yes, so so there there are some that would say, well, 240 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:52.319 you know, Stephen was still alive maybe physically, but the spirit had been 241 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:56.440 removed or the soul had been removed prior to that, maybe as a as 242 00:18:56.480 --> 00:19:02.880 a form of compassion by God, and to being brain dead in a hospital 243 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:07.039 and being kept on life support possibly. So these are one of those philosophical 244 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:12.480 categories that go with, you know, many forms of study. You've got 245 00:19:12.519 --> 00:19:18.799 theology implied there, you've got physiology, You've got all of these things that 246 00:19:18.039 --> 00:19:25.480 are going to come together. And this is where understanding science where science leads 247 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:27.359 And does that mean, you know, does that show the face of God 248 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:33.039 or does it explain away God or these things? Well, my statement was 249 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:37.359 that all things that can be understood should be understood, but how they're applied 250 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:42.160 is where it becomes a moral or ethical issue. And so just because this 251 00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:48.880 knowledge will exist doesn't mean that it should be pursued down in particular or what 252 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:52.680 seems like the logical path. That's where science and ethics have to meet. 253 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:57.039 But when it comes to the mechanics, you may mechanically be able to build 254 00:19:57.079 --> 00:20:04.240 a body, but no, no scientists can build a soul. So they 255 00:20:04.279 --> 00:20:12.680 can maybe replicate or use cells to perpetuate more cells, but scientists don't understand 256 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:18.759 what the soul is or how that activity or how life. They continue to 257 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:21.920 go back to the brain, but they're still trying to find out how the 258 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:26.759 brain pushes these things, because the brain would be for all intents and purposes, 259 00:20:27.559 --> 00:20:33.440 mechanically a computer, and computers don't feel emotionally. They can replicate things, 260 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:38.279 but they can't create them in that sense. Even with artificial intelligence they 261 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:42.000 can make You can make a robot put its eyebrows down like it's sad, 262 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:45.799 or put them up like it's mad, but it doesn't. It's not experiencing 263 00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:52.319 fear or anger or sadness. That is precisely where it becomes really difficult for 264 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:55.960 someone like me. But you can appreciate the knowledge of it. I can 265 00:20:55.960 --> 00:21:03.680 appreciate the theology behind the the distinction between the spirit world that would require a 266 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:07.519 stole, and I still somehow have never released the idea that there is not 267 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:11.160 energy. So I really do believe that there is something much greater than us 268 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:15.839 that somehow is in effect well sure there, and all the things we've talked 269 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:18.799 about point to that. As a matter of fact, there was scientists some 270 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:23.839 time ago that created a simple life virus and like in a Petri dish, 271 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:27.240 and it was this big deal all over the scientific community. Man is created 272 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:32.200 life, and the theist went, uh huh, so what and they went, 273 00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:33.480 oh, well we did it. You don't need God. And they 274 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:42.039 said you did what in a certain environment, intelligent life created life, which 275 00:21:42.079 --> 00:21:48.480 is what the theist has been saying since day one that intelligence comes from intelligence, 276 00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:55.319 not from randomness or chaos. And so there's yeah, there's That's where 277 00:21:55.359 --> 00:21:57.240 my question really is. No, but what as it lies. As it 278 00:21:57.319 --> 00:22:00.880 lies with the pieces and the parts, you're still looking at just the mechanics. 279 00:22:02.079 --> 00:22:04.359 That is, even if they could create an entire human being that looks 280 00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:08.240 exactly like you, it's not going to be you for many reasons, one 281 00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:14.960 of just the mechanical reasons, because you are a product of your environment as 282 00:22:14.960 --> 00:22:19.079 well as your genetics. And so the new environment, if it's growing in 283 00:22:19.119 --> 00:22:22.599 a new place, unless it grew up the exact way at the exact time, 284 00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:26.519 in the exact sense that you did, it's going to be different. 285 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:34.200 So if that's going to be different physically just physiologically different as to how this 286 00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:42.039 being grows and adapts, then one must understand that likewise, whether God breathes, 287 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:45.359 the word numa or the word spirit comes from the word numa means to 288 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:51.400 breathe. It literally is the illustration of God putting his mouth on the mouth 289 00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:55.400 of man and putting air into him. May I may ask you though, 290 00:22:55.680 --> 00:22:57.599 in the case of the cartilage for my ankle, yes, sir, I 291 00:22:57.640 --> 00:23:03.240 own the cartilage, sir. In the case of putting my body stem cells 292 00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:07.319 into some patriotish that grows up into being a complete human that essentially is spare 293 00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:11.839 parts for me, at what point would I not be then able to own 294 00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:17.200 that other body? And if that other body was actually included a brain, 295 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:22.519 is it then its own sanctioned being or should I still have ownership just as 296 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:27.480 I would over the cartilage. Well there, essy. But there is the 297 00:23:27.559 --> 00:23:33.519 debate at what point is this harvesting of organs of your own organs? Where 298 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:37.839 does it become a greater debate? And this is what's going on, and 299 00:23:37.880 --> 00:23:41.680 this is why people are arguing saying, Hey, at some point you're going 300 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:48.279 to be stepping on the foot of God and you may find as a people 301 00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:51.680 that there you'll get to that state, should it, you know, get 302 00:23:51.720 --> 00:23:55.839 that far and and it won't be what you think it's going to be, 303 00:23:56.200 --> 00:24:00.880 and it won't have that and and that's much further off than people think. 304 00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:04.279 And there are greater problems with the cloning process than people think. And it's 305 00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:08.480 not that the spirit is not something in the soul. It's not something that 306 00:24:08.599 --> 00:24:11.559 is going to be an answered question in twenty five, thirty years, fifty 307 00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:15.039 years, whatever, they figure out that issue of cloning. No, my 308 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:19.000 issue with my own soul is then is there something really here that I need 309 00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:23.319 saves? Is there really something here that really is what is referred to as 310 00:24:23.319 --> 00:24:27.319 the sinful nature? Is there's If the question of the soul becomes such a 311 00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:34.400 basic issue as to how it exists and what it is needed from it, 312 00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:40.319 you may have welcome to Earth to save my soul, as we all understand 313 00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:45.640 it. But does my soul need saving? And the answer from you know 314 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:48.480 it is the Jesus Christ Show. So forgive me for stating the obvience. 315 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:53.200 But then the answer, the answer is yes, yes, The answer is 316 00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:57.799 yes absolutely, because there are things outside of the mechanics of the biology you're 317 00:24:57.799 --> 00:25:04.240 talking about that transcend that that science has not been able to even understand or 318 00:25:04.279 --> 00:25:08.000 observe properly. Things like that. You know, having male female does not 319 00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:14.480 match the evolutionary model. Having emotion does not match the evolutionary model. The 320 00:25:14.559 --> 00:25:19.160 desire to love when it's against the contradictory to the desire to survive does not 321 00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:23.319 match that evolutionary model, and those are the things that are outside of the 322 00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:26.000 mechanics. So you keep saying, well, if you build a car, 323 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:27.920 if you build a car, if you build a car, and I'm saying 324 00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:30.960 no, if the engine isn't put in there, the car means nothing. 325 00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:37.599 The car is just physical form. Scripture says, be fearful not of the 326 00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:41.519 person that can kill the flesh, but the person that can kill the soul. 327 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:45.640 So they're not combined in that sense. Also, when it talks about 328 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:48.599 birth or you know, people say born again, they think it's a denomination. 329 00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:53.359 It's not. It's a theological term used in a conversation with me and 330 00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:59.079 Nicodemus, and I'm explaining, unless you are born again, and he says, 331 00:25:59.119 --> 00:26:03.279 I got to crawl up into into the womb again. No, born 332 00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:07.799 of the water and born of the spirit. It's talking about being born in 333 00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:11.400 a flesh, born of the of of the woman, and then born of 334 00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:15.680 God. And they're two separate things. And even if science makes an entire 335 00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:21.160 person of you, that doesn't say whether God is going to grant that thing 336 00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:26.920 a soul, because there are other living things on this planet without souls, 337 00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:36.559 And what happens that well it becomes mechanical. Jeff, Welcome to the Jesus 338 00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:41.920 Christ Show. Thank you. My question is how can someone like me who 339 00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:45.359 I am. I am probably one of the biggest sinners there is. I 340 00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:51.119 hate to admit that, but I probably am be reconcile that to God, 341 00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:56.200 who is holy. Well, why is there what kind of sin is in 342 00:26:56.240 --> 00:27:00.680 your life that that it weighs on you such? I mean, are you 343 00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:04.160 just in a complete state of rebellion or you're just a sinner because you're a 344 00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:10.839 sinner? Well, I don't know if it's a sinner because I'm a sinner 345 00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:14.160 or anything like that, And I'm really not sure if it's rebellion. I 346 00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:17.680 know that there is a God, and I know that he is very holy. 347 00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:22.359 Okay, because sometimes when people ask this, Jeff, they're talking about 348 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:27.440 something that has a foothold in their life that continues to come up. And 349 00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:32.079 it's not that I when I say a sinner because you're a sinner, it's 350 00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:34.599 not belittling the sin. I mean, all sin is bad. It's to 351 00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:38.039 understand the difference between, well, there's something in my life that I that 352 00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:45.039 I'm I've been struggling with for a long time versus being a human being and 353 00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:49.640 falling short of the mark of God. Well, as you just stated in 354 00:27:49.759 --> 00:28:00.960 not being human issues with adultery because I am separated, not legally, I 355 00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:06.039 see. Really don't like that deal or even the word divorced at all, 356 00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:12.160 But that you're okay with the word adultery, now, okay, we need 357 00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:15.880 a one of them, be honest with you. I'm very sure God is 358 00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:18.279 not. Okay, we need a one of them as well. Well, 359 00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:22.720 it's really about you know, the term repentance, and you hear this all 360 00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:25.599 the time, and it's this, you know, very religious sounding word, 361 00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:29.680 but Jeff, it really just means to turn away from And if you if 362 00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:33.599 you think of it this way, imagine a pillar, a big marble pillar, 363 00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:37.599 and it's in front of you all the time, and all of a 364 00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:41.720 sudden it's not in front of you. That's because you changed. Chances are 365 00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:45.039 the pillar doesn't move, and that's how God is. So if God's not 366 00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:48.599 in your vision, and God's not in your view, it's because you've turned 367 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:53.039 away from God, not because God's turned away from you. So the first 368 00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:57.680 thing to do is to get on a path where you are seeking God and 369 00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:04.559 seeking God's face and see God's will. That's what's imperative. That's also one 370 00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:10.200 of the reasons why I called to speak with someone like yourself, who is 371 00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:14.599 much more in tune with His ways and his will than I am, or 372 00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:18.160 have her, probably ever have been. But yet I want to be well. 373 00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:22.640 There's a big there's a big cheat sheet. It's a it's made up 374 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.000 of over sixty books. It's written over a span of yes, sir, 375 00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:32.759 a span of one hundred or fifteen hundred years, by three forty authors, 376 00:29:32.839 --> 00:29:37.720 or so thirty continents or three continents, times of peace, times of war. 377 00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:41.720 I mean, there's a there's a big book there that will help you 378 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:45.200 understand things. And there's an old there's an old saying that sin will keep 379 00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:48.440 you from the Bible, but the Bible will keep you from sin. So 380 00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:53.960 if you spend time in scripture and you spend time with God, that's how 381 00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:56.920 you get to know God better, and that's how you learn to see where 382 00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.920 you're missing the mark. It's like shedding a little light on the situation. 383 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:03.319 Turn the light on first, see what needs to be cleaned, to what 384 00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:07.160 needs to be done, and spend time with God, build a relationship and 385 00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:11.200 turn away from those things. Don't you don't doubt you're bigger than that. 386 00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:14.960 You don't have to fall into adultery or things like that. You build your 387 00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:18.720 life in a way that you don't stumble into those things. Otherwise they'll get 388 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:22.599 a hold of you. Kfi AM six forty on demand