WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.720 --> 00:00:15.080 He'll be don't be bait. It's the Internet. You're busy. Let's do 2 00:00:15.119 --> 00:00:19.120 this From March eighteenth, twenty twenty four, for the next hour or so, 3 00:00:19.239 --> 00:00:22.280 let me help you sort through the world of gaming on Game Mess Mornings 4 00:00:22.280 --> 00:00:26.399 Live with Me Jeff Grubb. Today, details leak about the next PlayStation, 5 00:00:26.559 --> 00:00:30.559 while another piece of Sony hardware apparently rots on the shelf. But first, 6 00:00:30.559 --> 00:00:34.560 please join me and welcoming today's co host the Game Mess Mornings. It's Emma 7 00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:38.799 Fife. Everybody, Emma, how are you doing. I am well. 8 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:45.960 I was away last week visiting with my family, and I got a stomach 9 00:00:45.960 --> 00:00:49.600 bug about halfway through the week. So a real good time. What a 10 00:00:49.719 --> 00:00:54.240 joy, What a joy. But I'm better now. Unfortunately it happened like 11 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:59.399 two days after my birthday, so I at least I basically got to go. 12 00:00:59.880 --> 00:01:02.640 I visited with my family a little bit, got to see my niece, 13 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:07.920 and then had a nice birthday. During dinner, I was completely upstaged 14 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:14.359 by my niece who was in rare comedic form that evening, and then yeah, 15 00:01:14.439 --> 00:01:18.480 got sick and then just kind of like laid in bed until I felt 16 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:22.239 well enough to drive home. Both both my fiance and I were sick, 17 00:01:22.319 --> 00:01:25.079 so we were we were real fun. We were real fun last week. 18 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:29.079 That's a good time, okay, but the recovery seems like it's fully taken 19 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:32.760 root. You're good yeaheah, totally. Yeah, I'm I'm back in action 20 00:01:32.920 --> 00:01:40.480 baby, ready to do this Monday thing as weird as as it is. 21 00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:44.840 Yeah. I made a decision last night at some point where it was like, 22 00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:47.959 I got the kids are in bed, I could I could go see 23 00:01:48.040 --> 00:01:52.480 Doom too at the movie theater. It's long, and yeah, I like, 24 00:01:52.560 --> 00:01:56.120 I did the ten forty showing, so I go see the Imax show 25 00:01:56.640 --> 00:02:00.599 and Limax whatever. Yeah, and it was like, well, okay, 26 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:04.560 ten forty and then of course I'm like, well that's gonna be like fifteen 27 00:02:04.560 --> 00:02:07.439 minutes. It's until at least eleven. Yeah, it started at like eleven 28 00:02:07.520 --> 00:02:10.719 ten. It was like a full like half an hour, yes, of 29 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:14.840 commercials and all that stuff. So yeah, that was one thing. But 30 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:16.840 the movie was very good and I did not doze off or anything, just 31 00:02:16.879 --> 00:02:20.479 sat there and enjoyed the whole thing, so that that was a very good 32 00:02:20.479 --> 00:02:23.039 time. But I did get I did get home and get to sleep at 33 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:27.680 like three am. Basically after everything was said and done, so then it 34 00:02:27.719 --> 00:02:30.080 was a choice. But I don't regret it, except for I do. 35 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:35.520 I do fully regret it, just the way I feel right now, Yes, 36 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:37.960 but that it was a good movie, the very least right movie. 37 00:02:38.199 --> 00:02:43.280 Yeah. Now I'm the troublesome thing here is like now I'm like, okay, 38 00:02:43.319 --> 00:02:46.159 well, I made myself very tired, susceptible, susceptible, maybe getting 39 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:49.800 sick. And of course packs is later this week, so we'll see how 40 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:53.120 I rolled the dice and how I pay for it later. In the meantime, 41 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:54.840 let's explain what we do here most weekdays, I, Jeff Grubb, 42 00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:59.960 will help piece your gaming life back together. That includes breaking news and maybe 43 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:04.280 even some of our own original reporting. For all these topics, I'll get 44 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:07.240 the input of a bona fide expert who will make me look smart. If 45 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:08.919 you are watching live on Twitch, welcome. You can always listen to the 46 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:13.919 show later on podcast feeds by searching for Game mess Mornings, or find the 47 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:16.919 RSS on giant bomb dot com. You can also catch the show later with 48 00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:23.000 chapters and timestamps on YouTube. Hello YouTube. All right, we have a 49 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:28.120 lot to get into, so let's get started. With PS five pros specs 50 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:32.159 have been leaked with improved GPU and upscaling. This is from Chris Scullion at 51 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:38.680 VGC. Documentation explaining the console's specifications was initially leaked by YouTuber Moore's Law is 52 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:44.479 Dead, before being detailed by Insider Gaming, then verified by IGN, which 53 00:03:44.520 --> 00:03:49.639 says the document comes from Sony Interactive Entertainment's developer network. The specs suggests that 54 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:53.639 the PS five Pro CPU will be identical to that of the standard PS five, 55 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:58.080 but that the new console will have a high CPU frequency mode, which 56 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:02.240 increases the CPU by ten percent to three point eight five gigahertz but reduces GPU 57 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:06.080 performance by around one percent. As a result, the GPU itself will be 58 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:11.439 powered by thirty three point five terra flops versus the PS five's ten point two 59 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:14.439 eight of terra flops, but this doesn't mean it will be more more than 60 00:04:14.439 --> 00:04:17.279 three times as powerful, not necessarily, As the vergin notes, changes in 61 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:23.720 AMD's architecture means it's difficult to directly compare terror flops directly between the PS five 62 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:27.680 and the PS five Pro, and that reality the comparison is more likely more 63 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:32.079 like ten point two eight versus around seventeen terraflipes, terrraflops, terraflipes, terror 64 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:36.360 flops. Indeed, the documentation leaked by More's Laws that suggests rendering is about 65 00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:43.079 forty five percent faster. The console's apparent upscaling and anti alisom features are also 66 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:48.399 listed in the specs named PSSR, which dance or PlayStation's Spectral super resolution a 67 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:53.319 hell of a name. It's believed this could be the proprietary DLSS like solution 68 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:57.879 discussed last year by Giant Bomb reporter Joker. Last month, the CNBC cited 69 00:04:57.920 --> 00:05:00.920 a number of games industry analysts who are portally said they expect Sony to launch 70 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:08.000 a PlayStation five pro console later this year. Yeah, this thing seems very 71 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:13.279 likely to be coming out this holiday. We first originally heard about a PS 72 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:18.040 five pro emma of sometime last year in that Maelstrom of there's a PS five 73 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:21.839 revision coming that will be a slim model without a disk drive. We got 74 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:28.240 that there would be a PlayStation portal, portable sort of thing that you take 75 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:30.800 with you and it could stream games, and that was the portal, and 76 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:33.160 that that happened, and then at the same time we heard about the Pro 77 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:38.639 and now we're getting these specs right before GDC, when well, now GDC 78 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:42.240 is here, right as GDC is starting, when almost certainly a lot of 79 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:45.279 developers are going to be talking to one another. This was going to leak 80 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:48.680 this week. I think this, this feels like, okay, PlayStation, 81 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:51.240 let's just go put the information up on our developer portal. Let all the 82 00:05:51.319 --> 00:05:55.759 developers know so they know what they're hearing. It is true, and it's 83 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:59.120 not like some weird thing they're hearing the second hand of GDC. Let's just 84 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:01.720 get it out of the way. This is going to happen. Yeah, 85 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:04.439 a lot of it's lining up to feel like, yeah, this is definitely 86 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:09.560 true and it probably will come out this holiday. How do you feel first 87 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:15.000 about a more powerful PS five? So my thing about it is it's kind 88 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:19.120 of the way I look at these consoles and their like zero point five upgrades 89 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:25.279 is it's kind of like iPhones. You know, if you are there for 90 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:29.959 the you know, iPhone fourteen S or whatever, and you haven't gotten a 91 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:33.439 fourteen already, awesome, That's absolutely what I would go for. But frankly, 92 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:40.959 we're getting into the territory of like the human I actually can't detect anything 93 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:45.600 better, you know, in terms of graphics, performance, and games have 94 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:48.959 gotten so good at hiding their minimal load screens that it's like I don't even 95 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:56.240 notice anymore. So it's like I will do. I think that this is 96 00:06:56.319 --> 00:07:00.560 something that people will purchase. Absolutely, and there are people who are, 97 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:01.959 you know, more of tech heads that I am, like, for example, 98 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:04.439 you know, not not specifically in the realm of PlayStation, but you 99 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:08.920 know, with my dad, he's such a technology head that it's like he 100 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:13.399 always gets like the next thing, though with iPhones he chooses to skip them 101 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:18.759 sometimes, so anyway, but it's like, great, I love that they're 102 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:25.920 putting out an enhanced machine. Good for them if it's going to cost money 103 00:07:25.959 --> 00:07:30.360 that you could be you know paying uh yeah, now that now the cats 104 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:31.920 really got opinions on this. He's like, excuse me, I want an 105 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:34.879 upgraded PS five, But yeah, I mean it's like, I don't know, 106 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:43.160 my PlayStation five is running great. I'm super happy for people that want 107 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:46.600 to get this that don't already have a PS five, assuming that it is 108 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:51.920 actually available in reasonable quantities at launch. Yeah, I think that you're right 109 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:57.519 to say that this is for a certain audience that shows up on day one. 110 00:07:57.720 --> 00:08:00.279 That you know, the nerd tax that we often pay if we do 111 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:03.079 get excited about new hardware, Like we're going to be right there. And 112 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:07.519 there's that that huge there's a huge segment there, millions of people who count 113 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:11.120 themselves among like, hey, I want the new thing, no matter what, 114 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:13.279 regardless of how much use I got, are the last one whatever, 115 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:18.120 I just want to be on the cutting edge. And that's who these devices 116 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:20.279 are always meant to monetize. I mean Nintendo does. And then Nintendo has 117 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:24.319 done this for years and years, going back generations. Uh you know the 118 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:28.079 Game Boy Color kind of being a very good example of like, hey, 119 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:30.439 we're really going to introduce a new feature and give you a reason to get 120 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:33.600 excited. It was still a game Boy underneath, so it's like that like 121 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:37.519 they then they did that repeatedly. And the person that these things sell to 122 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:41.799 is the person who buys a system on day one, and it is the 123 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:43.879 most likely to give these companies money. So of course they're taking advantage of 124 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:48.960 that. As far as like the draw here, I think, you know, 125 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:52.960 tim percent more powerful in those CPU, like the CPU being the same 126 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:56.720 is not surprising at all because they want to keep compatibility between the PS five 127 00:08:56.759 --> 00:08:58.720 and the PS five pro so they were never really going to switch up the 128 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:03.039 the CPU. That's the you know, the Xbox series X and S use 129 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:05.720 the same CPU for a very similar reason. So them coming in with a 130 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:11.480 you know, huge improvements to the GPU, likely having a little chiplet on 131 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:16.519 on the GPU for driving this PSSR feature, which is probably gonna use AI 132 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:20.720 technologies to upscale stuff. That makes sense as well. It's something that the 133 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:26.279 original PS five probably couldn't do without causing more performance issues, So you know, 134 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:28.320 kind of focusing on that makes some sense. I just don't know what 135 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:35.240 the marquee feature is here, because nowhere in this reporting and in this documentation 136 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:39.120 is Sony really talking about eight K. And I think they know that that's 137 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:43.159 a non starter that most people will be like I I just bought a four 138 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:46.320 K TV and I and if I'm honest with myself, I barely see the 139 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:50.559 difference between that and ten eightpm in many circumstances. And I think people are 140 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:54.360 gonna like, like, I am not going to buy into the eight K 141 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:56.200 thing. I think it's already coming gone and people are not going to do 142 00:09:56.240 --> 00:10:00.639 that. So what does Sony come out of the gate with this. I 143 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:03.480 think it will be this upscaling stuff so that means, hey, more of 144 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:09.080 your games will actually run at what looks like four K and sixty frames per 145 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:13.000 second. And I think that's there will be a lot of people who are 146 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:16.039 excited about that. It's just not as easy as when the PS four Pro 147 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:18.200 came out and they're like, this will do four K. The other thing 148 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:20.240 couldn't do four K. This can do four K. This one's going to 149 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:22.679 be a little bit more difficult to market, and yet I think it's probably 150 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:26.360 going to stand just about as good a shot as the PS four Pro did 151 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:30.919 at selling. The PS four Pro never sold better than the standard PS four. 152 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:35.080 This probably won't ever sell better than the standard PS five, But I 153 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:37.679 still do this makes sense for them and for a bunch of other reasons. 154 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:43.480 For one, it keeps them in good coots with AMD to make sure that 155 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:48.759 they're like stepping along the architecture there and improving things and getting things ready for 156 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:52.240 the next console. And speaking off for getting things ready for the next console. 157 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:58.000 No price detailed here. Like we've talked about previously, this could very 158 00:10:58.039 --> 00:11:01.639 easily set up the price for the next them where this thing is actually six 159 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:05.039 hundred dollars, so that when the PS six comes out and is around six 160 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:07.759 hundred or more, it's part like they've already stepped us up that ladder. 161 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:13.320 So I get why it's happening. Sure, am. The other question that 162 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:16.159 was, like, boy, this feels strange in a year when PlayStation has 163 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:20.960 already told us they're not going to have any sequels to their main franchises, 164 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:24.240 so it's like there's a dearth of games, and yet they want us to 165 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:28.840 buy more hardware and I will probably, but I no get it. What 166 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:33.799 do you think? I truly that is the thing that confuses me about Sony's 167 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:35.279 strategy in general for this year, as you say, because you know, 168 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:41.919 obviously they have exclusivity deals with studios like Squarenis. Obviously they had a huge 169 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:46.720 launch earlier this year, you know, just last month with Final Fantasies having 170 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:52.679 rebirth. But as far as what's coming up on the PlayStation five this year, 171 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:56.919 it is kind of like a, well, I don't know, because 172 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:03.840 we're just in a year where we don't have a lot of confirmed dates for 173 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:09.240 big Triple A kind of title game releases anyway, So instead they're leading into 174 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:13.679 hardware, like buy this new hardware to play no new games? Yeah, 175 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:18.279 and and it's like, so what do they pair it up with. I 176 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:22.759 mean, they probably they probably will have some stuff, But my biggest concern 177 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:24.879 is I'm a huge fan of the Astrobat games. The astroback games are always 178 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:28.159 paired with new hardware. Yes, I was like, oh, we're gonna 179 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:31.960 get a new Astro this year, which I've repeated this a bunch of times. 180 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:35.320 I've heard we're getting a new Astro this year. Well, I better 181 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:37.879 be able to get it on my regular PlayStation. I do not. I'm 182 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:41.480 really hoping that, like, the big thing for PS five Pro isn't some 183 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:46.759 bundled Astro thing that only works on there to show us upscaling. That's that's 184 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:48.639 I hope that's not what happens. But beyond that, it's like, you 185 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:54.360 know what they'll do is have some definitive edition of Spider Man two. They 186 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:56.879 will have a bunch of these games that have already come out of PS five 187 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:00.759 and they'll do their best to dress them up and be like, look at 188 00:13:00.759 --> 00:13:03.919 how much better they are on the PSCI Pro. And that'll be nice for 189 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:07.879 some people, especially people who are super into that ecosystem and are playing those 190 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:11.559 games over and over again. Sure, but I bet it would help if 191 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:15.799 they had some big new game to push it alongside of. And it doesn't 192 00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:20.159 look like that's gonna happen. But this thing coming out this holiday, I 193 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:24.799 guess the other discussion here is how does Xbox respond. Clearly, they've said 194 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:28.679 a bunch of times now that they don't intend to release a point five console. 195 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:33.600 I mostly think I believe them on that, but I wonder if they're 196 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:35.240 gonna try to do the leap Frog thing, which so this comes out the 197 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:39.559 end of twenty twenty four and then by twenty twenty six, PlayStation's not going 198 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:43.000 to have like something to like the PS six at that point, but Xbox 199 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:48.279 could have the next Xbox at that point. Does that sound how to you? 200 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:50.840 Like? How things will play out? Yeah? I mean, because, 201 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:54.000 as you say, what else is Xbox strategy going to be? An 202 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:58.799 Xbox is an interesting case in particular because, as I've said many many times 203 00:13:58.840 --> 00:14:03.200 before on this show other shows, Xboxes it seems mostly in the business of 204 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:07.679 selling game pass. So the idea is, you know, you keep an 205 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:11.480 ex you have an Xbox like the series s, so you have an affordable 206 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:13.480 price point, you get the console in the home, you get people on 207 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:18.080 game Pass, and then people will also start buying additional titles because now they 208 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:24.159 like video games. So it yeah, but at the same time, they 209 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:31.519 are still in this war and again you know war in quotes of the consoles, 210 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:33.240 if you will. But by and large, nowadays the price point of 211 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:37.519 consoles is very pro and it's always been prohibitive. You know, there was 212 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:39.879 a period of time where you know, certainly when I was growing up, 213 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:45.879 usually had one or the other. So I have to imagine that this is 214 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:52.960 a situation wherein Microsoft has the opportunity to focus solely on developing their next generation 215 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:56.120 of consoles, as they're not intending to do a point five at all, 216 00:14:56.679 --> 00:14:58.200 so you know, they skip that and they can just put all of their 217 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:03.759 effort into their next thing. So I don't know, Yeah, I mean 218 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:16.399 I could see an Xbox having a Xbox Series two thousand by let's say, 219 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:22.000 holiday season twenty five. Yes, I mean, at the very least like 220 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:26.279 so, Microsoft had that whole hubbabaloo earlier this year where they started putting games 221 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:31.399 on PlayStation and people were freaking out. So they had their their podcasts responding 222 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:33.879 to it, and then that podcast, Sarah Bond and Phil Spencer to a 223 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:39.399 point said we will have something to announce about new hardware later this year, 224 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:43.600 and then they also said at the same time, and we're also working on 225 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:48.200 the next Xbox, which will be the biggest technical leap. I forget how 226 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:52.279 they're putting it, but this is big, a fair paraphrase, the biggest 227 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:54.120 technical leap that we've ever seen for a console, which won't be true, 228 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:56.679 just simply won't be true. I lived, I was a lot for the 229 00:15:56.919 --> 00:16:03.200 sixty four to play GameCube and all my stuff exactly whatever. But yeah, 230 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:07.840 they're making big promises about the next hardware, so they are going to be 231 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:11.720 in the hardware game in some way, and I think that means this holiday 232 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:17.960 we get something announced along the lines of a revised Xbox series X that has 233 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:22.720 more storage, maybe doesn't have a disk drive, that stuff that in the 234 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:26.519 FTC filings. We saw some of that stuff before, as plants have likely 235 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:29.639 changed, but there will be some modified version of that. And then yet 236 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:33.279 we get to late twenty twenty five and they probably have maybe a new announcement 237 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:37.919 around then as well for something that's going to happen very quickly after sometime in 238 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:41.200 twenty twenty six. But getting back to the PS five Pro before we move 239 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:47.360 on to the next story, this PSSR that this is like upscaling, and 240 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:49.240 I think that this technology is still pretty exciting. I will say that on 241 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:53.240 the PC side of things, paying attention to that, there's been some backlash 242 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:56.840 because the implication or the idea A lot of people get in their head and 243 00:16:56.879 --> 00:17:00.159 I think this is mostly incorrect, but it probably in some cases it maybe 244 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:04.839 does happen, but fans are getting in their heads that developers are instead of 245 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:10.960 optimizing their game, they're just slapping on DLSS, which is going to lower 246 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:14.640 the internal resolution, rebuild that image back up to where it should be, 247 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:17.519 and then that gets you better frame rate. And so they're just doing that 248 00:17:17.559 --> 00:17:22.839 instead of making the game better. And it's like, so the magic's already 249 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:26.960 kind of been lost of like what this technology is that people are already jaded 250 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:29.319 by it. So I'm like, I just wonder if this is going to 251 00:17:29.319 --> 00:17:33.519 be the thing that can really help the PS five Pro stand out. And 252 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:37.599 really, I mean, when you're looking at like games that they're trying to 253 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:41.720 sell us, they already look about as good as they need to look in 254 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:44.759 most cases, right, I just don't know how they're going to be able 255 00:17:44.759 --> 00:17:48.640 to market this very effectively. I'm in complete agreement with you. Like I 256 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:53.160 know that other people have had some performance issues, and we had this discussion 257 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:57.960 when we were doing our non spoiler review of File Fantasy seven Rebirths, specifically 258 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:03.480 that there have been some perform's issues. But it's like I play in performance 259 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:08.640 mode, not graphics mode, and honestly, like I I can't tell, 260 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:12.960 you know, when it's changing the scaling to like keep the images stable, 261 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:17.279 you know. And also you know, we talked about the fact that it's 262 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:19.599 like, yeah, I treat the camera like a camera, like like as 263 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:23.480 if I were pointing an actual camera and filming to like keep my camera movements 264 00:18:23.480 --> 00:18:27.640 minimal, and so it's not all you know, Blair Witchy, But yeah, 265 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:36.559 I just I can't see better better than I see and everything looks good. 266 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:40.799 Yep, you know, I mean, honestly, I think I always 267 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:42.319 point this out as the game that made me realize games don't need to look 268 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:45.400 much better than this, and that's like Doom in twenty twenty twenty fifteen, 269 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:49.960 I was like, this game runs so well on anything. It looks fantastic, 270 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:53.200 the art is incredible. You kind of don't need to get much better 271 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:56.599 than this, in my opinion, and I think since then we have plateaut 272 00:18:56.640 --> 00:19:00.319 in a lot of ways. That's when a lot of of GPUs for this 273 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:03.200 PC came out that would run games at ten eighty p sixty kind of no 274 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:07.799 matter what. And those GPUs to this day still run most games. You're 275 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:11.640 gonna have to turn down some things these days, but most games still run 276 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:15.279 about ten eighty sixty with those same GPUs, not totally, not nearly as 277 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:18.440 many as like two years ago, but still that's just like we kind of 278 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:22.319 plateau, and that's why they started pushing four K and race racing and all 279 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:25.799 these other things, because they just weren't gonna be able to get much more 280 00:19:25.839 --> 00:19:32.279 out of ten eighty p sixty. A year after launch, PlayStation has reportedly 281 00:19:32.279 --> 00:19:37.200 paused PSVR two production due to low sales. This is from Chris Sculling at 282 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:41.039 VGC as well. Sony has reportedly paused production of PlayStation VR two just one 283 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:45.960 year after launch so it can deal with a backlog of unsold units. A 284 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:51.240 new report from Bloomberg claims that PlayStation VR two shipments have been getting progressively smaller 285 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:55.960 every quarter since the headset launched in February twenty twenty three, and that Sony 286 00:19:56.000 --> 00:20:00.000 has now paused production altogether. The report sites research firm I, which tracks 287 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:06.279 deliveries to retailers rather than consumer sales, and which says Sony has a surplus 288 00:20:06.279 --> 00:20:11.519 of assembled PSVR two head sets throughout its supply chain. PSVR two was released 289 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:15.480 in February twenty twenty three at five hundred and fifty dollars, but Sony has 290 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:19.400 still yet to officially confirm how many units it has sold to date. Well, 291 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:23.079 I guess IDC has a little bit more here. Previous estimates by IDC's 292 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:27.839 suggested sales had started slowly, around two hundred and seventy thousand units sold by 293 00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:32.039 the end of March twenty twenty three, but Sony later claimed that PSVR two 294 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:36.319 had sold around six hundred two thousand units during its first six weeks of availability. 295 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:41.759 Kind Of like one of the least surprising stories of the last year, 296 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:47.160 Right one hundred we got PSVR two announced, There just wasn't a lot of 297 00:20:47.200 --> 00:20:51.720 games to get excited about. Everyone's like this hardware is impressive tell us more 298 00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:52.640 about the games, and Sony's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 299 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:55.640 we will, we will, we will, And then they never really 300 00:20:55.640 --> 00:20:57.720 had much else to go along with the hardware, and now here we are 301 00:20:57.880 --> 00:21:03.319 people aren't excited about people mostly honestly, in my from where I'm sitting, 302 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:06.079 seems like people have forgotten about it. What do you think, Well, 303 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:12.279 it seems to me that the people who are really into VR would get an 304 00:21:12.279 --> 00:21:21.279 Oculus or now a metaquest Yeah, because that runs games on its own. 305 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:26.960 Yesqu history is all around. Like they said, they sent a Questory around 306 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:30.720 the time I was thinking about the PSVR two, and I'm like, I'm 307 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:33.599 very very happy with the Questory. So it can run games independently on its 308 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:38.160 own. Yeah, But then it also has really really good Wi Fi six 309 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:42.960 e whatever it is, the six gigahertz connection to my Wi Fi router, 310 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:48.279 so I could stream from Steam wirelessly SteamVR, and I can run all the 311 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:52.119 games off my PC as well, and it's and it's kind of flawless. 312 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:56.319 So it's like, I'm just not interested. Like, five hundred and fifty 313 00:21:56.319 --> 00:21:59.279 dollars is not that much for a PSVR or for for a VR headset, 314 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:03.119 all things considered, but compared to the Quest three and what it can do, 315 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:06.680 and I know it's a place State or Sonya started saying that they might 316 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:10.960 try to get it working on PC this year. That's great. I just 317 00:22:11.559 --> 00:22:12.799 too little, too late for me. It's kind of where I'm at with 318 00:22:12.839 --> 00:22:22.160 that. What do they do now with the PSVR two. Emma drop that 319 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:27.119 price point way down and then maybe you know, it's like, obviously they 320 00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:30.920 can't drop it down to be in the realm of like a controller, but 321 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:37.279 it's an accessory for the ps five. You need the ps five to run 322 00:22:37.480 --> 00:22:47.200 the PSVR two, correct, that's right. So you're pricing it practically the 323 00:22:47.240 --> 00:22:51.240 same as getting the console in the first place. It'specially more expensive in a 324 00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:53.920 lot of cases because the ps five has been on sale so much in the 325 00:22:53.960 --> 00:22:57.559 last year. If you were buying it today, you would look at the 326 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:00.680 two and be like that in many for many weeks and be like, Wow, 327 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:04.720 the PSVR two is more expensive, and again, where are the games. 328 00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:08.000 They're just they're not coming out, And that's the other that's the other 329 00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:14.759 part of it is it's like you have to have something that is so appealing 330 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:22.599 that it is exclusive to the ps VR two. It's just it doesn't exist, 331 00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:26.160 you know. Yeah, And it seemed like from the beginning that Sony 332 00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:30.920 was not investing in the PSVR two even in the way it did in the 333 00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:36.160 PSVR one. There were a lot of games that came out exclusively to PSVR 334 00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:40.160 one for at least some time, and it was like Sony out there making 335 00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:42.160 deals constantly. Now, in Sony's defense, I think here a little bit, 336 00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:47.039 there simply aren't as many VR developers as there were around the time of 337 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:51.559 the PSVR one. That no, that ecosystem is mostly dried up. And 338 00:23:51.880 --> 00:23:55.440 then but one of the reasons it seemed to dry up is Sony wasn't there 339 00:23:55.480 --> 00:23:57.640 handing out money either, So right, yeah, they could have done something. 340 00:23:57.920 --> 00:24:02.039 And VR is such an interesting thing because it's like, you know, 341 00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:04.359 we have these conversations about oh, what, you know, these next generation 342 00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:08.759 consoles like upscaling the resolution in AK and blah blah blah, and all of 343 00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:12.160 those things are like tangible, and we go, okay, yes, totally. 344 00:24:12.279 --> 00:24:17.200 But I think that by and large we've gotten to a point with like 345 00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:22.359 hand video games you play with a controller on screen that they already, as 346 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:27.079 you said earlier, look kind of as good as they need to look. 347 00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:33.920 They look super realistic. The issue with VR is that it's not at an 348 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:40.880 immersive level of interactivity because of the restrictions of having to be in a confined, 349 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:44.400 you know, defined space to do your VR games, and you know, 350 00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:47.759 the way you travel in VR games, you're not actually walking, which 351 00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:49.920 is what causes a lot of people motion sickness, which is why they often 352 00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:53.640 have that you know, teleportation option as opposed to like guiding yourself, so 353 00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:56.920 you get the IMPRESSI when you're going forward, but you're actually just standing still. 354 00:24:57.480 --> 00:25:03.759 The only way that like VR works for me, and I'm one hundred 355 00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:07.480 percent on board with, is when you do those ones where you're like in 356 00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:10.599 a rat maze. Yeah, wonder one, but it looks like you're on 357 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:15.480 an imperial ship on most of our you know, like like the Star Wars 358 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:18.400 one was unbelievable, But I get to walk around, I get to hold 359 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:23.559 a plastic thing that resembles a blaster and it works, and I feel the 360 00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:27.519 heat when I, you know, step outside and I'm looking at a volcano. 361 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:33.799 So it's like, uh, VR to me needs that level of immersion 362 00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:41.039 to really make it awesome, and that is simply not possible on a consumer 363 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:45.119 level, but like you can have in your home. Yeah. I think 364 00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:48.920 there was an early VR game when I got the Vibe pre I remember, 365 00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:52.319 Yeah, I remember going to GDC a long time ago and this was what 366 00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:53.799 VR was like popping off. And I was trying to get a meeting with 367 00:25:53.920 --> 00:26:00.680 Valve, so they would send they were sending people of vibes and and I'm 368 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:03.440 like I couldn't get in there, or I got busy, got distracted, 369 00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:06.440 and I kind of like wrote an email to chet Felichek, who's a writer 370 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:10.000 at Valve, like being like because he was like overseeing this, and I'm 371 00:26:10.039 --> 00:26:11.519 like, man, I couldn't get in there. It's bummed, kind of 372 00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:11.920 want to talk to you guys. I want to see if I can maybe 373 00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:15.079 get a vipray. And he just sent me a link and it was like 374 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:17.319 goick, this, here's what we'll send you one. I'm like, okay, 375 00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:19.440 incredible, So I got that. I was testing early Yeah, he's 376 00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:23.160 a great guy. I was testing early VR games and there was one where 377 00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:27.440 it's like this experience it's like an escape room sort of thing, and the 378 00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:33.200 way it worked is you would be always walking physically through your world and they 379 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:36.279 would kind of cut these rooms in half, and it'd be like, okay, 380 00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:37.599 can you get through those paneling on the wall? Can you find the 381 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:41.279 screwdriver to unscrew this paneling? And then you could get down real world and 382 00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:45.319 crawl through. And then now since you've come on this side of the of 383 00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:48.240 the wall of this virtual wall, we've changed what's over here, and just 384 00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:52.359 keep kind of keep looping around and it keeps changing. But that had a 385 00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:56.680 certain size requirement to even function. And I like me as someone who had 386 00:26:56.720 --> 00:27:02.440 prepared and had a pretty decent sized setup or VR in his home, and 387 00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:04.559 even I had to start moving things to make it even bigger because this whole 388 00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:08.480 concept just wouldn't work in a slightly smaller space. And it's like, that 389 00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:14.400 is just talk about non starter. That is a non starter for the vast 390 00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:18.119 majority of people who would be interested in this thing. And then and really, 391 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:21.640 you're doing that for an experience that people like that, That is an 392 00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:23.759 experience. That's not what I'm talking about. When I want to get excited 393 00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:27.359 about a video game in VR, I still want a full game thing. 394 00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:32.160 And it's like, Okay, there's so many difficult like ins and outs to 395 00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:34.279 making that happen with VR, and clearly we've seen it's it's kind of not 396 00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:38.599 happening in many ways. So yeah, yep, just want to play Beat 397 00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:45.000 Saber and that's it. Yes, a chat to address your question. My 398 00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:52.319 cat was tunneling in the blankets behind me. He loves to be underneath stuff. 399 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:55.799 And yes, the other cat is like kind of just out of frame 400 00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:02.160 over my right. The sand cat come out. No literally that was the 401 00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:11.279 yeah exactly to some in uh uh sh yeah yeah there is yeah o kittie. 402 00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:17.160 Yeah, hey, I would probably still get a PSVR two if I 403 00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:19.720 could play all the PSVR one games on there. That's another hang up. 404 00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:25.200 Yep, I've been you know, my kids are astro crazy also like I 405 00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:26.079 like it, but I like didn't play a ton of it in front of 406 00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:29.599 them. They kind of discovered it on the ps five themselves. And then 407 00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:33.079 so when the Astrobot's skin dropped for free and Sackboy, we got that and 408 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:36.599 they both have been going nuts for it. So I'm like, oh, 409 00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:41.200 yeah, there's Astro's rescue mission on PSVR one. I maybe I could like 410 00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:45.279 set that up. And I'm like the idea of setting up a PSVR one 411 00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:51.079 it's just no way that in twenty twenty four. Uh So if I could 412 00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:53.759 like plug in a PSVR two and just have astro work, which I I 413 00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:56.640 don't think it does. I can double check the people, but I don't 414 00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:00.079 think it does. But if it did, I would, I would. 415 00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:04.240 I would probably pay four fifty. I'm not gonna don't know. Five to 416 00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:08.279 fifty just seems so much more. Yeah, yeah, it's it is so 417 00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:15.119 much. As soon as you cross that five, it's it's like pricing something 418 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:18.079 at four ninety nine as opposed to five hundred. Even though it is five 419 00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:25.079 hundred, it's a dollar. But something about under five just psychologically in our 420 00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:29.440 brains goes, Okay, well, yeah, that's a that's a splurge, 421 00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:33.240 but that's an investment. I'll you know, I'll pay that money. Yes, 422 00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:34.440 But once you get over five, I think you can get into this 423 00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:38.480 mindset of like, oh, that's that's too expensive. I'm gonna have to 424 00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:45.559 wait. I think the real story here has been the story with the secondary 425 00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:49.519 devices from PlayStation from the beginning. You know, they had these PlayStation home 426 00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:52.799 consoles. They do very well. They put a lot of resources in the 427 00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.480 making games for it. They have a lot of partners to make games for 428 00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:57.839 it, and they're like, okay, and now we're gonna have the PSP, 429 00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:02.079 and they put a lot of effort into it, and they spend a 430 00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:07.119 lot of money to make bespoke games for the PSP to have the the third 431 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:10.119 parties come in there and support it, and they it does you know, 432 00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:12.640 it kind of works to a certain extent, and then they and then they 433 00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:15.640 try to try it again with the Vita and it's like, well, now 434 00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:18.480 it's even more difficult because these games are a little bit bigger and they kind 435 00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:22.559 of look like big Boy console games and that's more expensive, and you know, 436 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:26.839 and now we got to take away resources from these other franchises to like 437 00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:30.960 recreate them on the on the Vita, and that's getting a little out of 438 00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:33.680 hand. That's a bit expensive, and they just there's less support for the 439 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:37.079 Vita than there was for the PSP. And it's like the same story here 440 00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:41.400 with PSVR one to PSVR two. PSVR one had a decent amount of support 441 00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:45.759 from from Sony and then PSVR two comes out and it just looks even worse 442 00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.480 than the Vita in a lot of ways when it comes to the support from 443 00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:52.440 it and I just I think eventually, I think Sony does learn this lesson 444 00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:57.240 that having a secondary gaming device with different games on it is a very difficult 445 00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:00.880 thing to do. Not even even Nintendo doesn't do that anymore. And they 446 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:06.599 for the longest time had the home and the handheld console, and they years 447 00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:08.480 ago. Now they just brought those two things together. They're not gonna do 448 00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:12.680 that again, so Sony can kind of trying to keep making that happen. 449 00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:17.599 It's like, I think we are well past that being something that one company 450 00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:19.640 can actually successfully do. And at this point, if you're gonna have a 451 00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:26.079 secondary device, it needs to be commentary complimentary to the home console in some 452 00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:30.279 way, and I think that's probably gonna lead them to their next device will 453 00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:33.119 be a handheld that is just basically the same as the console, like a 454 00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:37.000 Steam Deck something along those lines. Yep, all right, h next story, 455 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:41.160 Gotham Knight's Studio is supporting Wonder Woman game. This is from Ed Nightingale 456 00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:48.519 at Eurogamer. Godam Knights Studio WB Games Montreal is supporting development on the forthcoming 457 00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:51.680 wonder Woman game. I keep wanting to say wonder Wall game, which would 458 00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:56.119 be really stupid. Led by Monolith Productions, which created Middle Earth Shadows of 459 00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:59.920 Bard or it's follow up Shadow of War and it's follow up Shadow of War. 460 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:04.160 It will similarly use the Nemesis system mechanic. According to a job description 461 00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:07.799 spotted by Tech four Gamers, w B Games Montreal is seeking an external development 462 00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:13.880 artist with a mandate to support Monolith on Wonder Woman. Specifically, it's not 463 00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.519 too much of a surprise to see fellow Warner Brothers studios assisting each other, 464 00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:22.559 especially considering Wonder Woman will be Monolus's first superhero game. W B Games Montreal 465 00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:28.440 previously worked on both Godam Knights and Batman Arkham. That says Oranges in the 466 00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:36.720 story Oranges bat Arkham Oranges tell ed about it is very funny typo there that 467 00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:42.920 rules. So yeah, I mean, not too surprising, and at the 468 00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:45.960 same time, it's like that's just it's indicative of where gaming's at, where 469 00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:50.839 like, hey, the studio w B Games Montreal that did put Godam Knights 470 00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:54.640 out two years ago, they're not it's too much to expect it to be 471 00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:57.880 working like move under their next game. Now. They need to help the 472 00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:00.279 other studio get the game out because it's going to need so much help that 473 00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:04.160 that's a better use of their time, But then that moves the timetable for 474 00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:08.240 whatever w B Games Montreal would be doing way down the road very likely. 475 00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:13.119 And you know, this is something that like we see across the industry. 476 00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:16.440 I remember, like the Mass Effect four or five, I suppose when I 477 00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:20.839 learned about Oh, yeah, that's getting kicked further down the road because all 478 00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:23.799 the people that we're working on that are going back over Dragon Dragon Age. 479 00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:27.680 So it's like, yeah, that's just the way it has to be these 480 00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.480 days. But at the same time, it's like, yeah, it's a 481 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:35.599 bummer that the that these studios can't focus on what they're working on to get 482 00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:38.920 those things out more rapidly. You know, this is reminding me of a 483 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:45.160 conversation that I had, And granted this was in regards to this was in 484 00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:50.119 regards to movies rather than video games, but I think that, you know, 485 00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:54.480 video games could possibly stand this as well. What if we just had 486 00:33:54.480 --> 00:34:00.119 a year with this is with film where every single film had a mac some 487 00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:02.720 budget of six million dollars, which is, if you don't know, an 488 00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:08.199 extremely low budget for a feature film. So I think we need to do 489 00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:12.079 that with video games. So we just need a reset. We just need 490 00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:17.880 a year where it's like everybody just get creative, make something small. Uh, 491 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:22.679 you know, it's we don't need a huge ROI for this to be 492 00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:25.440 a success. And that's the thing is that again, like we're and look, 493 00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:31.239 I'm all for you know, reallocating people rather than you know, canceling 494 00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:37.840 projects and and you know then laying people off obviously, but it's like we 495 00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:43.679 just we just need to like calm down for a second and like get back 496 00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:51.400 to creativity and not capitalism. Yeah, and it's just start thinking. It's 497 00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:52.559 like, man, what is this Wonder Woman game even going to be? 498 00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:57.360 There? Is right exactly? I mean it is just going to be basically 499 00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:01.440 what Arkham Oranges was, or is it Oranges but with Wonder Woman? Or 500 00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:04.519 are they going to go for something completely new? Is it going to have 501 00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:07.079 live service elements something that WB continues to be all hot and heavy for. 502 00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:14.800 Yeah, And it's and it's that means it's you know, it's going to 503 00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:17.920 keep expanding its scope, and that means you have got to bring in other 504 00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:22.800 other studios. But I don't know, necessarily know that that's what anyone is 505 00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:24.119 asking for from Wonder Woman. I know, I know people have to be 506 00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:28.639 cinematic and realistic and all these things that like do look good in commercials and 507 00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:32.280 screenshots. I know there's a huge audience that responds to that stuff. But 508 00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:36.920 at a certain point, it's like, oh, man, that much effort 509 00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:38.800 is going to the Wonder Woman game something. It feels like a like a 510 00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:45.119 not a certain bet or anything like that. But it's also like Gotham Knights 511 00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:49.440 was fine. You know, it's like all of it, if that, 512 00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:53.719 if that, and that's the and the problem is is that this is happening 513 00:35:54.559 --> 00:36:00.280 so often. I And look, I if you loved Spider Man too, 514 00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:01.679 and that was your game of the year, I'm so happy for you. 515 00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:07.960 But ultimately it was just more Spider Man. And Spider Man was a great 516 00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:12.880 game, but it was just more Spider Man. And I mean, Superheroes 517 00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:16.000 is the biggest example of like crazy fatigue. I think that, you know, 518 00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:20.199 when it comes to games, there is a little bit more of an 519 00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:22.840 interest in like a really good Star Wars game, because I think that it's 520 00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:27.039 been a while since Star Wars has like really really nailed it. Though I 521 00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:31.000 do enjoy the Jedi games, but yeah, it's just like you know, 522 00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:39.239 they're so it's like it's so much of more of the same. And I 523 00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:45.360 think that again, we're in an era where we just gosh, I'd love 524 00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:52.320 to see some just new stuff that runs well and is fun. Yep. 525 00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:57.519 And and we'll see. I mean, I get it when you have these 526 00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:00.519 studios sitting around that this maybe is the best use of their time. But 527 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:05.639 you're right that that fatigue does make me skeptical of all this when it comes 528 00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:07.519 to to Wonder Woman, or if even if it was it was like another 529 00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:12.079 Arkham game, even I was just like, yeah, exactly, and the 530 00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:17.199 Arkham games there there's very good Arkham games, especially Arkham Orange. Yep. 531 00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:22.960 Absolutely, at the very least, I think the Nemesis system is a promising 532 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:25.800 idea for Wonder Woman, and I hope that that manifests in some cool ways. 533 00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:30.599 We'll see. All right, let's take a quick break. When we 534 00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:34.760 get back more headlines, including where Persona six will show up right after this, 535 00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:45.000 all right, we are back and let's get right back into it with 536 00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:50.400 Persona six will be coming to multiple platforms. A leak suggests this is from 537 00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:54.079 Vicky Blake at Eurogamer. Persona six will be coming to multiple platforms, including 538 00:37:54.280 --> 00:38:00.360 Xbox and Switch Slash switch To. That's according to industry and This insiders Nate 539 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:04.199 the Hate and Madori, who have each now asserted that the next installment of 540 00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:08.360 Atlas's fan favorite RPG series will be coming to more platforms. From information I've 541 00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:12.360 heard, it does seem that Persona six will be coming to Xbox, Nate 542 00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:15.599 the Hate said on a podcast, so fans, so fans of Persona have 543 00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:22.119 something to look forward to. I'm not on one percent sure if it's like 544 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:25.119 day and date with PlayStation, but considering the way the Persona games have been 545 00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:29.559 day and date with the multiplatform releases at this point, it may be a 546 00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:32.440 safe assumption to make that Persona six will be day and date on Xbox and 547 00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:37.000 PlayStation. It would be a really big deal if Microsoft was able to secure 548 00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:40.920 that on game pass. A noted leaker Mardori then jumped off onto Twitter to 549 00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:45.960 confirm that Nate's information was correct, adding and it's coming to multiple platforms. 550 00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:51.599 Two uh. They kind of followed that up by saying switch and then someone 551 00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:53.639 said, well, does that mean switch to, and Marrori just said yes, 552 00:38:55.039 --> 00:39:00.800 this is the trajectory for the Persona series and a list. I mean, 553 00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:02.920 I remember a couple of years ago, it might have been even like 554 00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:07.159 in the early days of grub Snacks, where we would talk about Atlas and 555 00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:09.719 be like, yeah, I don't know why they don't just put everything out 556 00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:15.320 on switch. And then finally that stuff they get confirmed and now they do 557 00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:17.760 put it down on switch. They put the Persona Games out on PC and 558 00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:21.960 they that opened their eyes I guess, because there was an assumption for a 559 00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:23.360 long time, well, they must have a deal with PlayStation. And then 560 00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:27.880 some people popped up, some people who knew about Atlas and Sega and the 561 00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:30.440 Persona Games are like, I don't think so. I think they just this 562 00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:34.119 is how Atlas does it. They just put it out on PlayStation and then 563 00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:37.159 forget and and so right, it's like, oh, okay, well that 564 00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:42.400 seems like forget launch. It seems like they're bad at business. Yeah, 565 00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:45.360 it's like, yes, that's exactly what it was exactly, And so they 566 00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:50.400 started puting out more places and surprise, it's sold more. And now now 567 00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:54.440 in the last like two years two years ish Atlas said hey, we are 568 00:39:54.599 --> 00:40:00.320 going to support these launches as multi platform launches going forward, and so it's 569 00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:04.400 not too surprising to hear that Persona six is going to be on other devices. 570 00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:07.400 Uh, it might be a little surprising still to me that it's like, 571 00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:10.960 oh, no PlayStation, switch switch to and Xbox all day one. 572 00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:15.880 That's a little surprising. But I think it's that that's where they wanted to 573 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:19.079 be with Persona, and so if that's their goal for Persona six, I'm 574 00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:21.679 not too surprised. What do you think, I'm not surprised aent. I 575 00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:24.960 mean, it was a huge deal when the Persona games started coming to game 576 00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:28.880 Pass. So if they can secure this as a day one game pass, 577 00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:30.480 that is a sig. It's got a very good relationship with game Patch. 578 00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:36.960 Yes, huge win for Microsoft. Huge win. Ye you know that will 579 00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:38.199 make me go, okay, cool, I'll play this on Xbox instead of 580 00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:44.239 PlayStation because I almost always if it's on Xbox and PlayStation and it's something they're 581 00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:46.800 going to have to buy anyway, I always choose PlayStation. I was just 582 00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:51.719 a PlayStation girl. That's the that was the console that I played the most 583 00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:54.079 growing up. We had an Xbox mostly just used it to play DDR. 584 00:40:55.280 --> 00:41:04.719 Uh So yeah. But that being so, there is a real appeal to 585 00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:09.039 a JRPG on a handheld you know, console, So it makes total sense 586 00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:12.599 that it would come to the switch. That was the biggest thing that I 587 00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.159 would always see back when I would you know, stream persona five is, 588 00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:19.760 there'd be people in chat constantly saying, I just wanted to be on the 589 00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:21.599 switch. I just wanted it to be on the switch. I just wanted 590 00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:23.960 to be on the switch, which makes total sense. And I and it's 591 00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:30.159 like for me, if I have the option to get a gigantic game that 592 00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:35.000 you know, the the graphical integrity of isn't the number one thing. Yeah, 593 00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:37.039 I'm going to get it on the switch. I like being able to 594 00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:38.880 take stuff with me and play handheld. I don't, you know, I 595 00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:45.239 don't have a Steam Deck. Congratulations to everybody who does. And but you 596 00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:51.320 know that's the thing is that like the Switch still has that just super easy 597 00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:54.119 support of like here it is, it's on your console, you're playing it 598 00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:59.519 on your on your little handheld situation dock it now you're playing it on your 599 00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:02.320 screen. So yeah, I mean it is. It is very funny to 600 00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:07.239 me that Alts basically just with their games, they just like set down their 601 00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:12.440 coffee and walked away and didn't realize like, oh, actually people want this, 602 00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:17.320 Uh oops, I guess we'll make more's. I think it's as simple 603 00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:20.840 as they just got in the habit of putting the games on on PlayStation and 604 00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:24.639 that was that, and and which is you know it was It looked weird 605 00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:30.519 at that time because so many developers and embraced multi platform releases and including like 606 00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:35.960 putting stuff out on PC that that was becoming way more popular with Japanese developers 607 00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:39.000 at that time, so Atlas being so far behind the curve looked odd. 608 00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:44.679 H So now now we're here it. Yes, this is the kind of 609 00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:46.920 thing where if if it's everywhere, it will sell everywhere. You're right that 610 00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:52.840 coming to game Pass was something that that that got the PERSONA series a lot 611 00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:55.679 of attention with an audience that just had not really noticed it before. And 612 00:42:55.719 --> 00:43:00.280 it worked. And again, Sega has a very good relationship with game Pass. 613 00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:01.840 They keep coming back to Microsoft to put more stuff on game Pass. 614 00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:07.519 I think SONA six is there's every likelihood that it probably won't be game Pass 615 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:12.760 day and date like the day one, but I think they'll figure something out 616 00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:15.000 to get it on there six months yeah, six months later or something like 617 00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:19.280 that, but you know, who knows, maybe Microsoft does like come in 618 00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:21.760 and cut a check for something like that. I know they think that these 619 00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:27.119 big Japanese games really matter to the perception of like how good of a console 620 00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:30.719 and ecosystem Xbox is. Well, if you really want to put your money 621 00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:34.440 where your mouth is on that PERSONA six is clearly a big winner for that 622 00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:37.880 one. Yeah, and they also well didn't didn't get that, so I 623 00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:40.800 don't know, maybe not right, Yeah, I mean they also famously passed 624 00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:45.840 on BALDERSK because they were like Balder's Gate, Who's going to play that? 625 00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:50.440 Yep, exactly, And they regretted that, and so yeah, they don't 626 00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:52.559 ever want to repeat that, which will it will happen. They'll try to 627 00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:58.960 avoid it where possible. Yes. Ex Battlefield director doesn't have anything positive to 628 00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:02.320 say for EA. This is from Will Nelson at PC Games in Battlefield. 629 00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:07.960 Game director Marcus Lado doesn't have anything positive to say about EA after departing from 630 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:13.519 the publisher's Ridgeline Games earlier this year. Also known for being a co creator 631 00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:17.239 of the original Halo while at Bungee, Laedo left EA and Ridgeline just as 632 00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:22.159 EA announced it was gutting five percent of its workforce alongside the full closure of 633 00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:25.360 the studio. Ridgeline Games was formally revealed in twenty twenty two, with Lato 634 00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:30.920 set to lead the development of a single player battlefield game following Battlefield twenty forty 635 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:35.599 two, with fellow EA studio Ripple Effect working on a bigger battlefield project. 636 00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:39.239 Lado left EA and the FPS game earlier this year, right as EA laid 637 00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:44.000 off that five percent of its workforce around six hundred and seventy people. These 638 00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:47.440 layoffs also resulted in the closure of Ridgeline Games, with a single player battlefield 639 00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:52.960 experience moving over to Criterion. After saying that he left EA on my own 640 00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:57.119 accord back in February twenty twenty four, Laido has now released another short statement 641 00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:00.400 on his departure. Not been saying much here since I don't have anything positive 642 00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:05.320 to say about EA, my recent departure, and how so many including my 643 00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:10.639 team, are suffering due to the industries sweeping layoffs, Laido said, Yeah, 644 00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:15.480 I mean, it definitely feels like this is the kind of situation where 645 00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:19.519 a lot of people that kind of came back into these big publishers, especially 646 00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:22.599 a company like EA. Because EA say hey, we're reinvesting, we're starting 647 00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:24.840 up studios, we want to work on more stuff with Battlefield. You know, 648 00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:29.920 it's twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, like times are you know, 649 00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:32.440 we got plenty of fact to work with here, there's plenty plenty of 650 00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:35.719 money here, We're gonna make up a bunch of the stuff, and then 651 00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:38.920 two years later all that stuff evaporates. These people that have to have to 652 00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:42.599 have some sort of whiplash where it's like, God, we just came in 653 00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:45.360 here, we thought we had the support, and then their tone must have 654 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:50.000 just changed drastically when like someone late like Lado is talking to the executives at 655 00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:52.880 EA and now suddenly they're like, yeah, we're not just gonna not make 656 00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:54.440 the game. We're laying off everybody. This is, this is done. 657 00:45:54.880 --> 00:46:00.360 I would be pretty frustrated as as well, and i'd blade Lado for leaving. 658 00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:04.000 And it's just a shame that so many people got laid off as part 659 00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:07.119 of that. But yeah, EA is a company that felt like it was 660 00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:12.199 finding a little bit of its voice coming out of Oh, everything had to 661 00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:15.800 be live service, and then they started making some successful They did have a 662 00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:19.159 couple of successful live service games, and then they started making more successful single 663 00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:22.039 player games, and it's like, Okay, they're kind of getting their mojo 664 00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:23.760 back here and figuring it out. And now it just feels like, oh, 665 00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:28.800 that's out the window, and this cutthroat company is back to just doing 666 00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:31.559 what it needs to to scrape by and extract as much value from the player 667 00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:36.719 as possible. I don't have much positive feelings about EA these days either, 668 00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:40.039 Emma, how about you, No, I can't say that I do. 669 00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:45.360 Yeah, It's this just goes back to what I was saying earlier. We 670 00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:52.199 need to stop with the big games. Everybody go back make nice games that 671 00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:55.880 look nice, that run well, that are a maximum of like twenty hours 672 00:46:58.239 --> 00:47:02.119 and aren't super expensive. Let's just get back to creativity, because I mean, 673 00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:07.039 like, how do you keep up? It's like, as you say, 674 00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:10.960 EA is trying to scrape the bottom line and get every last dollar that 675 00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:22.079 they can out of their players. I just I feel sad about the state 676 00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:25.280 of the world, and I think that that is being reflected in what's going 677 00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:31.480 on here, and that Lato is totally within his rights to you know, 678 00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:40.760 basically, basically what's happening is that human beings are being treated as commodities and 679 00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:47.800 not people. And it's like, if you are not working on something that 680 00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:52.519 ultimately is going to benefit the company's bottom line, then you're out yep, 681 00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:59.119 And it's you are resources to be fed into the machine or to be cut 682 00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:01.440 off once become a lie ability and it's uh, you know, when all 683 00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:05.079 those laths were happening, I said this a bunch of times. I'll repeat 684 00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:07.760 it. There was a time when laying off a bunch of workers to save 685 00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:13.039 your company money was unheard of, unthinkable, and no one ever would have 686 00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:15.280 done it. And then you know, the seventies and eighties come along and 687 00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:20.000 it became much much more popular. And now it's just now it's the norm, 688 00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:23.599 and it uh, you know, we we have we can take some 689 00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:27.480 responsibility for the society that we live in. Right at a certain point, 690 00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:30.239 it's like, man, maybe it shouldn't be this way, and yet we 691 00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:32.639 keep moving along as if it's normal, and it's just not. It's completely 692 00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:37.039 young, it's completely abnormal. And saying that this is the way it works, 693 00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:40.000 I you know, keep you know, making smaller games. I think 694 00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:44.679 this is what has attracted me so much to like early access and steam stuff 695 00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:49.199 all all this stuff is just either so creative or weird, and a lot 696 00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:52.039 of it's bad, but bad in a fun way that I'm like, Yeah, 697 00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:57.719 this is where I'm happiest right now, Yeah, yeah, all right. 698 00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:00.519 Hell Divers two is selling well ahead of expectation, having potentially hit eight 699 00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:06.559 million in sales. This is from o'shen konke, I can never get I 700 00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:10.159 think it's o'shan. I think you're at VGC twenty four to seven. With 701 00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:14.559 all the server issues the game has had, you likely won't be surprised to 702 00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:19.239 hear that Hell Divers two has probably sold exceptionally well. Hell Divers two has 703 00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:22.039 obviously been the surprise hit of the year, with developer Arrowhead constantly having to 704 00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:25.760 limit how many people can actually play the game within the first few weeks of 705 00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:30.840 launch and scores of players working together to unlock things like Mex and more. 706 00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:34.440 Now, as reported by Bloomberg, we should have a better idea of just 707 00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:38.079 how all the game is doing. According to td cowan analyst Doug Krutz, 708 00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:43.159 Hell Divers two is estimated to sold as many as eight million copies, with 709 00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:46.480 numbers continuing to grow every week. We believe the game has performed well ahead 710 00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:52.559 of expectations. Krutz wrote in a note last week eight million copies sold and 711 00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:57.039 that's an estimation from an analyst, but that's it's probably true. I mean 712 00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:01.559 it feels like it's sold that well. That is very very good for a 713 00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:07.400 kind of new game coming out of nowhere and taking over that. Like most 714 00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:14.480 PlayStation like single player narrative like Triple A Blockbuster games, they come out and 715 00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:17.039 if they have sold eight million by this point, that is an enormous success. 716 00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:21.280 And then they try to get to about ten, twelve, fifteen million, 717 00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:23.000 and if they get to that fifteen million, then they are enormous successes. 718 00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:28.840 They're like very few games like that have sold more than fifteen million copies, 719 00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:31.000 and this game seems destined to do that probably in its first year. 720 00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:36.719 So just a massive success, right, Yeah, I love a happy story. 721 00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:43.280 Yeah, after the huge bummer that is literally anything ea. Yeah, 722 00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:47.880 I mean like this when now, when people are you know, asking to 723 00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:52.119 oh, is anybody want to play this drop in kind of game, it's 724 00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:55.480 always it's always held ivers. I have so so many friends that are that 725 00:50:55.519 --> 00:51:00.960 are deeply into this game, and yeah, I mean again, it's like 726 00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:06.960 good for them because like I don't first, Hell Divers is a blip to 727 00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:08.920 me, kind of like came and went, don't really have any particular memory 728 00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:14.400 of it, and I you know, to me, certainly, Hell Divers 729 00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:17.920 two is very much in the cultural zeitgeist of gaming. Like any everybody in 730 00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:22.280 the gaming world, and even people that are sort of like on the outskirts 731 00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:24.840 of it, this is a title that is crossing over certainly, not in 732 00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:30.199 the way that something like a Mario or a Zelda or Pokemon gains kind of 733 00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:35.480 recognition amongst the general public. But again, Hell Divers is doing well enough 734 00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:44.079 that when and here's a little inside baseball in the advertising world of digital video, 735 00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:47.960 you know, we have clients literally asking about doing content around Hell Divers 736 00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:52.199 two because they have heard it. And these are people who, like they 737 00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:57.400 are not gamers, and they're asking, oh, would hell Divers to be 738 00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:00.679 a good fit for this? And I have to go, oh, not 739 00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:06.239 really, but you're you're right. I mean, it is in that that 740 00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:10.159 zeitgeist point where it's like similar to what elder Ring did, similar to a 741 00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:14.320 handful of the games in the last couple of years, where it is the 742 00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:19.400 trend on TikTok and and yeah, if you can get to that zone. 743 00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:22.320 It's clear that you are some massive hit that that that a lot about most 744 00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:30.880 that the vast majority of games will never get close to correct. Yeah, 745 00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:34.360 I played a little bit more over the weekend finally after it takes some time 746 00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:37.639 off, and yeah, Hell Divers two still very good and I'm gonna play 747 00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:38.400 a lot more of it. I'm gonna try to get some more on this 748 00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:42.960 website too, everybody, so look out. Uh. Modern claims the Star 749 00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:46.760 Wars Battlefront Classic Collection use their work without permission. This is from Jordan Midler 750 00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:52.440 at VGC. A moder has claimed that Star Wars Battlefront Classic Collection has used 751 00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:58.400 some of his work without permission. Prior to release matter I Am Shaman claimed 752 00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:01.199 that footage of Star Wars Battlefront Last the collection that appeared and a trailer suggested 753 00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:06.880 that developer Aspire was using his mod. Following this, Aspire released the statement 754 00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:10.239 claiming it had mistakenly used footage of this mod and that it was a placeholder. 755 00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:14.760 Now, following the full release, players appear to have discovered evidence that, 756 00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:19.039 prior to a very last minute patch, the game shipped with the uncredited 757 00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:22.320 mod work. Footage noticed by IGN shows a player on Reddit showing off the 758 00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:28.840 character assage of interest using what appears to be I Am Shaman's mod. While 759 00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:31.400 the current version of the game has removed these animations, Aspire has yet to 760 00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:36.400 comment on how I Am Shaman's work appeared in the game, despite their claims 761 00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:39.880 that they used no uncredited work on the remaster project. On Friday, Aspire 762 00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:44.599 address criticism of the launch of Coursion players to report any issue because there's been 763 00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:46.079 a lot of other problems with the game for a lot of people, mostly 764 00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:52.079 connection issues, but some bugs as well. Yeah, these Aspire Star Wars 765 00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:55.880 remasters, and I do scare quotes because most of the time they are just 766 00:53:55.920 --> 00:54:02.639 straight up re releases ports really what they are, they are. I'm not 767 00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:06.039 sure how I feel about them at the end of the day, Emma, 768 00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:09.719 where it's I'm glad that these games get a chance to come back out and 769 00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:15.039 that they're accessible and I can play them on the switch. That's pretty cool, 770 00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:19.480 But it also feels like, boy, they are just bare bones and 771 00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:22.360 I got you know what, that's an option too. I'm mostly fine with 772 00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:27.519 that part, but it does feel like they are like scraping by and trying 773 00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:30.719 to get away with the least amount of work possible. That's the part where 774 00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:32.440 I'm like, oh, it's kind of obvious that that's the case, and 775 00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:37.280 stuff like this makes it all the more glaring that it's like maybe they were 776 00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:40.400 like sneaking some of this odd stuff in there and hoping to get away with 777 00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:44.320 it, because that would have made it look a little bit better. But 778 00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:45.559 at the end of the day, they weren't crediting or paying the people that 779 00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:49.559 did the work, so they and they didn't want to apparently, so they 780 00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:52.280 just took it out instead of making some deal to make that stuff happen. 781 00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:54.679 Yeah, at the end of the day, I think I feel that these 782 00:54:54.679 --> 00:54:59.800 Aspire Star Wars ports are kind of kind of not scummy, but close to 783 00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:00.440 it. I don't know, how do you feel, well, as you 784 00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:07.719 say it's the bare minimum you are Basically it reminds me a little bit of 785 00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:14.519 I think it was in twenty twenty that Nintendo released that like Mario Collection, 786 00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:20.760 and it was games, for example, that had had remastered versions. You 787 00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:22.239 know, if it was like n sixty four, then you know there was 788 00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:29.079 a GameCube version of it, or or you know, more likely a you 789 00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:31.639 know Nintendo DS version, which that that's a whole other thing. But you 790 00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:37.239 know, I think that again, there literally was no quality of life improvements. 791 00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:40.039 It was just a straight port and it just ran a little faster because 792 00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:45.960 the switch loads faster than the N sixty four. So like that's and that, 793 00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:49.239 as you say, is what goes on with these Aspire games. Do 794 00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:53.079 I think that there that it is nice that they exist in some capacity that 795 00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:57.920 people are able to play them. Yes, I do, because by and 796 00:55:58.039 --> 00:56:02.039 large, especially if you look back at like old gaming magazines and things like 797 00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:07.239 that, you know, there are all these games in there that I have 798 00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:12.280 no recollection of whatsoever, because the games industry has done a very bad job 799 00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:16.639 of preserving its own history, and that is something. So again, having 800 00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:23.079 the option to access these games is great because they're not just forever lost to 801 00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:30.119 time. But if you're going to attach a monetary value to them of any 802 00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:37.519 kind of significance, there should be an incentive. But instead they're just capitalizing 803 00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:42.559 on people's nostalgia. Yep, it's I mean, and you're right, and 804 00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:47.079 they are attaching a significant price point, like this game was thirty five dollars, 805 00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:52.559 I think forty dollars in that range on time, and I think I'm 806 00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:57.920 switching all that stuff. It's it's expensive. Yeah, and so that makes 807 00:56:57.960 --> 00:57:00.920 all that all this stuff all the more glaring. And I yeah, I 808 00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:06.719 think that. Listen, if it's a choice between fewer things this is happening 809 00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:09.039 with Star Wars overall and what a fire's doing, I do still choose what 810 00:57:09.079 --> 00:57:15.400 a spire's doing. It's you know, the Ko Tour games got re released 811 00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:17.440 on Switch and that, you know, that's cool. I'm glad that that's 812 00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:22.800 available. I'll take it. But boy, it feels like we should be 813 00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:24.880 getting better for Star Wars than this. And I mean, at the other 814 00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:28.760 the day, it's like, man that like Warhammer forty k seems like it 815 00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:31.199 gets treated a little bit better, Like yeah, there's a bunch of like 816 00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:37.199 little interesting Warhammer games. Every couple of months they get something new, like 817 00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:38.760 a bolt Gun. It's like, okay, well, listen, the Star 818 00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:43.679 Wars Dark Forces remaster is really good. But that wasn't a Spire. That 819 00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:46.679 was Nightdive Studio and that stands out. That's fantastic. But over at Warhammer 820 00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:51.559 they're getting a whole new one of those like out of Nowhere and they got 821 00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:53.800 you know, and that's right after four other games got released. It's like, 822 00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:58.079 man, I mean not that all those Warhammer games are great or anything, 823 00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:00.519 but I still think it's I still think what's happening over there is interesting, 824 00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:05.840 and what's happening over with Star Wars and Aspire is kind of sad and 825 00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:08.840 depressing. So mm hmm. Yeah, I hope we get past this phase 826 00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:13.400 here pretty soon and we get into more interesting stuff for Star Wars in games. 827 00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:16.599 Final headline here, real quick. Platro's clear to one million copies sold. 828 00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:21.079 That's yeah, well done. I was. I played a ton more 829 00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:25.880 Bilatro over the weekend. We did a Friday stream of that, and I'd 830 00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:29.320 like, I was looking at the other guys had way more unlocked. I'm 831 00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:30.079 like, okay, fine, I'm gonna sit down and really play a lot 832 00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:34.480 more. And I got like four more wins or whatever, three or four 833 00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:37.679 more wins. And I did that with a bunch of different decks. So 834 00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:39.960 now I'm fully back into Bolotro. And it's a problem because I didn't play 835 00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:43.760 a bunch of other games I intended to play over the weekend. So fantastic. 836 00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:46.559 Just Bilatro all the time, Pilatro all the time. All right, 837 00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:49.800 I got a pull question. We're gonna get that set up. While I 838 00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:51.840 do that, though, Emma, why don't you tell people what you have 839 00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:53.800 going on where they can find you on the internet and all that good stuff. 840 00:58:54.159 --> 00:59:00.679 Yes, hello, I am at Emma Fife across social media platform that 841 00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:06.760 I don't particularly use. I got a great if you've finished Final Fantasy seven 842 00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:09.599 rebirth, I got a great ending explained video up over on GameSpot. It 843 00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:15.360 is unhinged, and ultimately I don't think I explain anything. I believe the 844 00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:23.440 top comment is thank you for trying is app Yeah, so you can go 845 00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:27.920 check that out, and you know that's that's me. That's what I got 846 00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:32.719 going on, all right. The pull question is is Sonic cross Angry Birds 847 00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:38.079 that crossover event of the year, which is what is how Sega described it? 848 00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:43.280 Twenty seven percent said yes, Seventy three percent said of course, yes, 849 00:59:44.480 --> 00:59:47.239 those are two options everybody. Yeah, this is a weird one. 850 00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:52.280 I keep forgetting every day of my life that Sega bought Rovio and owns Angry 851 00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:54.760 Birds. Now, that's such a weird, weird thing to me. But 852 00:59:55.159 --> 01:00:00.800 angry Bird Angry Bird new Sonic now in Sonic Games instead of releasing cute little 853 01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:05.320 animals, remember you would like jump on the thing and all the cute little 854 01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:10.880 animals would come out. Now it's just a fantasmic god. That should be 855 01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:14.880 the one thing that changes. That should be the crossover at the end of 856 01:00:14.920 --> 01:00:17.719 the year, right there, all right, new Polk question, do you 857 01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:22.559 have a PSVR two? Yes, no, but I plan to get one 858 01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:25.280 and two or in the third one is no and I don't and I don't 859 01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:29.559 want one, so yes, so yes, no, but I plan to 860 01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:32.239 get one, and then no, I don't plan to get one. All 861 01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:37.440 right, that will be the pull question we discussed on Game Best Mornings on 862 01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:42.880 Wednesday here on Giant Bomb speaking a Giant Bomb Tomorrow it's the BombCast. We're 863 01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:44.880 back. Tune into that. You're not going to want to miss it, 864 01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:49.280 and then we will have a whole bunch of other stuff this week. You 865 01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:52.119 know, Blake Club will be back. There was It was a great Blake 866 01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:55.880 Club episode. That's two in a row for Super Dan sixty four, the 867 01:00:55.960 --> 01:01:00.440 Dan of Steel. It's been fantastic. But then there's been those great animations 868 01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:04.239 from Pickle Draft I think is his name, and he puts them on on 869 01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:07.920 Twitter and YouTube where he takes some scenes and kind of rotoscopes and animates him 870 01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:10.519 and the latest one that popped off last night. I was getting out of 871 01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:15.239 dune too right as he tweeted it, and I'm like opening the door, 872 01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:17.639 like laughing really loud and make people look at me and like I'm strange, 873 01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:21.519 and I was, but it cracked me up. It's so well done, 874 01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:23.920 so people should check that out. I've retweeted it. But either way, 875 01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:27.960 a lot of fun stuff happening with Blake Club and then we'll have voicemail, 876 01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:30.320 dump truck upf all that stuff. Look out for it and more on giant 877 01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:35.519 bomb dot com this week. Everybody all right, I think with that, 878 01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:38.360 Emma, thank you so much for spending today talking with me about video games. 879 01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:45.400 I really appreciate it, of course, always always happy to stand up 880 01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:50.599 for creativity. It's right finally someone well, no one else is, but 881 01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:52.440 we got to do it here. Thank you all for watching. You're the 882 01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:57.000 best audience in gaming. Until next time, have a good one, take 883 01:01:57.039 --> 01:02:00.440 care of yourself and goodbye.