1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:10,119 The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big Fight Weekend. No. 2 00:00:10,519 --> 00:00:15,160 Here is your host, t J. Leaves. Well, Hello there 3 00:00:15,199 --> 00:00:19,920 and welcome in as we get ready for another preview edition of the pod. 4 00:00:20,039 --> 00:00:23,879 Thank you for finding us however you've done so. I'm the somewhat confident host, 5 00:00:24,679 --> 00:00:27,760 t J. Reeves. He is our insider Fight Freaks Unite, Substack, 6 00:00:28,079 --> 00:00:31,839 Big Fight Weekend dot Com as well. Only a week from now, 7 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,359 Dan, Raphael, we're gonna be able to do this together, presumably out 8 00:00:35,359 --> 00:00:39,920 in Las Vegas for Spence and Crawford. Looking forward to being out there with 9 00:00:40,039 --> 00:00:42,920 you and I guess the most prominent fight card that we have to preview this 10 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:48,439 week before that massive one next week is George cambosas the former unified lightweight champion. 11 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,920 He is in Action headlining for them in of all places, Oklahoma. 12 00:00:52,079 --> 00:00:55,039 As we like to joke, as I've always said, if you're gonna come 13 00:00:55,079 --> 00:00:59,039 back off you're losing your championships, you might as well debut as an Australian 14 00:00:59,439 --> 00:01:02,640 redbut in Oklahoma. In any event, Dan Rayphel, how are you feeling. 15 00:01:03,119 --> 00:01:06,359 I'm good. I feel like this is the calm before the storm, 16 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,040 Amen, because you and I are trying to figure out, Okay, next 17 00:01:10,079 --> 00:01:15,840 week, media center, radio row interviews, who were getting where. Let 18 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,079 me just say to the peeps, we look forward to all of it. 19 00:01:18,079 --> 00:01:22,159 It's gonna be tremendous. Be locked in here on the Big Fight Weekend, 20 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,920 a podcast feed in the preview mode and for the weekend we might even have 21 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,359 some special stuff on the podcast feed while we're out in Vegas. Again, 22 00:01:29,359 --> 00:01:32,640 as I like to joke, the Clark County authorities have been notified Reeves and 23 00:01:32,799 --> 00:01:36,719 Ray feel in attendance, along with a bunch of other boxing media that we'll 24 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,400 be there for this event and you're gonna hear from Errol Spence and Terrence Crawford 25 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,920 coming up in a few minutes. We'll explain more about that here on this 26 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,239 podcast. We look forward to next week again. Thank you for finding us, 27 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,120 however you did so, social media, link, Dan substack, etc. 28 00:01:49,799 --> 00:01:53,239 Make sure you rate us, you review us on the Big Fight Weekend 29 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,359 podcast feed. Again, a lot of you have been reviewing us. We 30 00:01:56,439 --> 00:01:59,000 do have a giveaway at the end of the month. Anybody that has rated 31 00:01:59,079 --> 00:02:01,159 us and reviewed us in July, you're gonna be able to get a chance 32 00:02:01,159 --> 00:02:06,959 to win either or or maybe both a fight poster of Spence Crawford or the 33 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,719 fight program that Dan has prominently written in the commemorative Fight program. 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But we're encouraged 43 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,319 by those that are out there that are reviewing us and join in. A 44 00:02:47,319 --> 00:02:50,400 lot of you have done that. Join in. It does help us with 45 00:02:50,439 --> 00:02:53,479 the algorithm, Dan Rayfield, so we're good on that and I we're looking 46 00:02:53,479 --> 00:02:55,919 forward to giving those things away. With that out of the way, let's 47 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:01,199 get into the preview mode for Cambosis and Maxi Hughes. I'm interested from more 48 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:06,840 from you about Hughes. We know about Cambosas. This is the headlining fight 49 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:12,599 of the ESPN top ranked card in Oklahoma. Keyshan Davis is in the co 50 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,240 feature. So in the preview mode before we hear a little bit from Errol 51 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:20,479 Spans and Terrence Crawford speaking to the media the week before. They're about this 52 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,000 is the most prominent bout in the US. Tell me more about Cambosis and 53 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:27,159 Hughes. I mean, it's a pretty good matchup if you ask me. 54 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,599 It's not it's going to set the world on fire anything like that, but 55 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,120 it's an official IBF eliminator. The winner of this is going to be in 56 00:03:32,159 --> 00:03:37,800 position to challenge for a title. Obviously, Devin Haney still holds the undisputed 57 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,240 title for how much longer it remains to be seen, because it's still not 58 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:44,120 determined whether he's gonna opt to defend that one thirty five or go to one 59 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,319 forty. I don't think if Cambosis wins, no matter what, we're not 60 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:51,719 seeing a rematch or a third fight anyway between Haney and Cambosas. But the 61 00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:53,319 main thing is the winner is going to be in position when those belts ultimately 62 00:03:53,319 --> 00:03:59,319 do become vacant at some point in the not too distant future. And like 63 00:03:59,439 --> 00:04:03,719 I said about Camboss, he's coming off the two losses against Hainey in fights 64 00:04:03,719 --> 00:04:06,919 that really warn't all that competitive. That we're in his home country of Australia. 65 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:10,759 But prior to that, he had obviously the biggest win of his life 66 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:15,039 when he took the unified titles from Tiafimo Lopez in a tremendous battle. And 67 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,639 obviously Lopez has rebounded from that because he's won his fight since then, and 68 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,720 including the very very outstanding performance he had just recently against Josh Tail to become 69 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:26,439 the champion junior welter rate. So anyway, Cambosa is trying to shake off 70 00:04:27,519 --> 00:04:30,720 those two losses. It's the first fight of his contract extension with his promoter 71 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,680 lu Debella, the first fight of the co promotional contract that he's done that 72 00:04:34,759 --> 00:04:39,360 now includes Top Rank as his co promoters. So this is the headline fight 73 00:04:39,439 --> 00:04:43,279 on the Top Rank card, and he's fighting Max and Hughes, who a 74 00:04:43,319 --> 00:04:45,439 lot of people may not know about. He doesn't have the greatest record in 75 00:04:45,439 --> 00:04:47,720 the world. He's twenty six five and two, he only has five knockouts. 76 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,040 He's a left handed fighter from England. But he's red hot. He's 77 00:04:51,079 --> 00:04:55,240 a hot fighter right now, and it's don't let the record be deceptive. 78 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,600 He may not have beaten like huge world leaders, but he has won seven 79 00:04:58,639 --> 00:05:01,000 fights in a row. He's pulled off in his last fight a big upset 80 00:05:01,399 --> 00:05:05,079 against the former featherweight title holder Kid Galahad, which was an upset decision, 81 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,160 and he's looked pretty good in recent fights. I mean he's fought on some 82 00:05:09,199 --> 00:05:12,639 of the Zone shows because he had been with Eddie Hearn and anyway, so 83 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,439 he's a he's a hot fighter. So he got he got cambosis coming off 84 00:05:15,439 --> 00:05:20,519 two losses. God Hughes has been in a you know, pulling upsets and 85 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:25,360 looking pretty sharp in his fights, in a nice winning streak. They're fighting 86 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,399 this fight on neutral territory because like you said, it's Oklahoma, it's not 87 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,319 less in Australia, so there's no hometown advantage for either guy, and I 88 00:05:32,399 --> 00:05:35,480 just expect it to be like a pretty nice fight on this card. And 89 00:05:35,879 --> 00:05:39,160 there are some stakes, as I mentioned, because the winner is going to 90 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:41,879 position themselves to fight for one of the one hundred and thirty five pound titles. 91 00:05:42,199 --> 00:05:43,959 So I don't want to. I don't want to make too much about 92 00:05:43,959 --> 00:05:45,639 it, but I don't want to downplay it. It's just a it's a 93 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,560 nice matchup. It is interesting that Cambosis on the bet Us line and we'll 94 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:54,480 talk more about it plug coming up for the bet Us Handicapping Show Live Friday 95 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,639 one Eastern Time. Cambosis is a three and a half to one favorite. 96 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,920 This is a twelve round fight and over under his ten and a half rounds 97 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:08,439 on this one for Cambosis and Hughes in this matchup, and look, Cambosis 98 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,639 is a volume puncher. I know you know more about Hughes than I do. 99 00:06:11,639 --> 00:06:14,680 Do we suspect that both of these guys will throw a punch and for 100 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,480 that reason, maybe not the biggest power punching guys, but at least entertaining 101 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,639 action from they both volume punching wise. Do you think Hughes is likely to 102 00:06:21,639 --> 00:06:25,680 comply with the way he fights. Yeah, I think that's a good chance. 103 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,839 I think it's got a good chance to be entertaining. And I say 104 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,399 that because neither guy is a tremendous puncher. Hughes has got very few knockouts. 105 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,120 You know, Cambosis can hurt you more that more so than than Max 106 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:40,240 and hughes Ken, But I do suspect that'll be there'll be some entertainment value 107 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,879 to it. It'll be interesting to me, Like you know, it's they're 108 00:06:43,879 --> 00:06:46,160 gonna be in a in the hard Rock Casino in their facility there. It'll 109 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,680 be interesting to see who the crowd roots for, because neither guy has got 110 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:54,480 any particular roots or anything whatsoever to do with the local area. Uh, 111 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,759 you know, I guess there's some guys on the undercarter from the Midwest Oklahoma 112 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,800 that are fighting that there'll be some people rooting it for then listen. I'm 113 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,360 also also very interested to see how Keishan Davis performs. He's only eight and 114 00:07:04,399 --> 00:07:08,399 oh right now, but everybody thinks, as does he, that he's moving 115 00:07:08,519 --> 00:07:11,120 very quickly and that it's not going to be too long before he's stepping up 116 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,160 and fighting legit top guys in a in a very deep lightweight division. His 117 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,839 opponent is Francisco Petero, who has got a good record twenty eight and three 118 00:07:17,879 --> 00:07:23,160 with ten knockouts. He's the former European champion from Belgium. Being the European 119 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,959 champion, it's not like being a former world champion. But you know, 120 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,759 there's a lot of guys who've gone on from being European champion to become legit 121 00:07:29,759 --> 00:07:32,680 world champions. It's an important stop along the way for the top fighters that 122 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,480 come out of Europe. It's you know that if you take a look at 123 00:07:35,519 --> 00:07:39,839 some of the best fighters we've seen come from Europe in recent years. You 124 00:07:39,879 --> 00:07:43,040 know, certainly some of the heavyweights for example, you know, Lennox Lewis 125 00:07:43,079 --> 00:07:46,480 was the European champion. You know Klitchko was the heavyweight champion of Europe. 126 00:07:46,519 --> 00:07:48,079 I mean, there's plenty of you guys have done that. So I'm just 127 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,399 saying, you know, it's not one of the bogus sort of like you 128 00:07:50,399 --> 00:07:55,839 know, where you're the so and so intercontinental champion or whatever. European champions 129 00:07:55,839 --> 00:08:00,079 got some background and whatever. So he does have some level of accomplishment and 130 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:03,360 h you know, he's very experienced. H But Keshan Davis is on the 131 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,160 on the fast move and it'll be it'll be interesting to see if he can 132 00:08:07,439 --> 00:08:11,000 you know, dominate this guy. To be quite honest, and my correct 133 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,160 it's his first scheduled ten round or do you have one scheduled ten rounder before 134 00:08:13,199 --> 00:08:18,560 this one, because this is a ten rounder for Keishan Davis against Francesco Petera 135 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,720 in this matchup. I'm just wondering because we talked last week in the preview 136 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,879 mode that Andy Cruse making his pro debut, the Cuban who had beaten Keishan 137 00:08:28,279 --> 00:08:31,399 several times and the amateurs, including the gold medal final match at the Olympics, 138 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,639 he fought a ten rounder right away. What about for Keishan this will 139 00:08:35,639 --> 00:08:37,840 be a second ten rounder. His last fight was a scheduled ten rounder that 140 00:08:37,879 --> 00:08:41,600 took place in April. He scored a knockout of Anthony Yiggett, who had 141 00:08:41,639 --> 00:08:45,519 fought for a world title, but he did him in the ninth round even 142 00:08:45,519 --> 00:08:48,600 though his scheduled for ten. So this is his second scheduled ten rounder. 143 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,120 Before that, he obviously had you know, a handful of eight round fight 144 00:08:50,159 --> 00:08:54,080 set war schedule, all right. Interesting to see this fight card come off 145 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,200 from a top rank and ESPN and I should make mention I did not do 146 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:03,399 it at the top that because of our schedule and the fact that we've got 147 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,960 the fight Freaks Unite recap that Rayfield loves so much off the weekend before the 148 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:13,279 upcoming Stephen Fulton Naoya in a way battle in Japan Tuesday morning, US time, 149 00:09:13,399 --> 00:09:18,799 Tuesday night in Japan. We'll save our insight and analysis on this show 150 00:09:18,279 --> 00:09:22,440 for the Sunday night show, even though that's called a Everybody's standing with me 151 00:09:22,519 --> 00:09:26,039 right feels with me, even though that's called a recap show. We will 152 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:31,000 talk Fulton in a way Sunday night on our podcast feed you and I will 153 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:35,799 talk Fulton in a way on the bet US Show from a handicapping standpoint live 154 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,440 Friday, because there's only one bet US show a week and because of this 155 00:09:39,519 --> 00:09:43,639 falling on Tuesday, so don't feel like you're not going to get analysis of 156 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,120 Stephen Fulton and Naolia in a way. And I don't know about you, 157 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,480 but I can talk about that fight for ten minutes or fifteen I can't. 158 00:09:48,519 --> 00:09:50,879 I can't wait for that fight. Now we're gonna discuss. Gonna be honest, 159 00:09:50,919 --> 00:09:54,080 I'm actually almost as I can say, I'm more interested, but I'm 160 00:09:54,399 --> 00:09:58,000 I'm on a similar emotional excitement level for Fulton and in a way as I 161 00:09:58,039 --> 00:10:01,759 am even for a spend Send Crawford, maybe not quite as much, but 162 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,240 we're gonna get these both TJ in the same week. Yes, it's crazy, 163 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:09,320 it is to whisper it. It might be a better fight. Might 164 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,840 it might better fight Fulton And in a way we'll say I don't know if 165 00:10:11,399 --> 00:10:16,559 I with that. Sorry, but I said bottomized. You heard my might 166 00:10:16,759 --> 00:10:18,440 I said might be. I didn't say it would be. I said it 167 00:10:18,519 --> 00:10:20,320 might be. I don't know. I don't know. What I know is 168 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,799 you're seeing four guys who are at the top of their game, who are 169 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,279 BONIFI championship level fighters. Three of them are champions in a way, just 170 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,559 gave up his titles because he's challenging in the new weight class. I mean, 171 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,519 for for a sport that we have so many problems sometime of getting the 172 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,879 biggest fights, you know what, that we want to see to get two 173 00:10:41,879 --> 00:10:46,399 of them in the same span of what five days is a great thing. 174 00:10:46,399 --> 00:10:50,080 Because I will say to you this, if at the beginning of this year, 175 00:10:50,159 --> 00:10:52,600 before these fights were finalized and signed, and you went to your average 176 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,120 boxing fan and said, hey, make me a list of the five fights 177 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:01,080 you most desire in boxing, I think a lot of people, well certainly 178 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,759 most everybody would have put Spence and Crawford absolutely, And I dare say, 179 00:11:03,799 --> 00:11:07,039 quite a few people would have included in a way against Steven Fulton on that 180 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,440 list also, and we're getting both of them and so that's a beautiful thing. 181 00:11:11,639 --> 00:11:16,000 We love that. And again more insight in the preview mode on Sunday 182 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,480 show, and we've got some news coming. We've got some excellent nostalgia on 183 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,159 the late Vernon Forest and Sugar Shane Mosley to get to. But before we 184 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,679 do that, speaking of Spence and Crawford, and again we're gonna be there 185 00:11:26,759 --> 00:11:28,600 next week, all things being equal, and all of this with a ton 186 00:11:28,639 --> 00:11:31,399 of time to break this fight down from every which direction. But they are 187 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,679 already in Vegas. They've been working out for the media, they've had media 188 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,919 availability the two world champions in the welterweight division. So let me set it 189 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,080 up this way. These were not exclusive conversations for Dan with the fighters, 190 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:48,080 but you were part of the media conversations with both these guys. And I 191 00:11:48,159 --> 00:11:52,159 want the fans to hear your Q and A. That's why they're listening to 192 00:11:52,279 --> 00:11:56,080 us here on this. So you've got a couple of questions in for each 193 00:11:56,399 --> 00:11:58,679 so you will hear Dan Q and A with er Old Spence. Dan, 194 00:12:00,039 --> 00:12:03,279 you and a for a couple of questions with Terrence Crawford again here on the 195 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,159 week before the fight. So let's listen to you getting a couple of questions 196 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:13,399 in for each of the combatants of Spence and Crawford right now. Thanks a 197 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,879 lot, o, Errol. How are you today? Good to talk to 198 00:12:15,919 --> 00:12:20,159 you. My question for you, Look, a lot of people have when 199 00:12:20,159 --> 00:12:24,519 they think about this matchup, they have compared it potentially to what occurred many 200 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,200 years ago between Sugar Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns. They find that the styles 201 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:33,840 maybe of you two guys mirror those guys. Obviously you're both black American fighters, 202 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:37,360 huge fights, same way, class unification, that sort of thing they 203 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,039 were for the undisputed. What is it when you hear that? Do you 204 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,720 think that's a valid comparison? And when you hear that this fight is being 205 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:48,720 compared to those guys legendary fight and two fights that they had, what do 206 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:54,399 you think about that? How does that make you feel? It makes feel 207 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,679 great? I'm just getting compared to those guys. Is that the amount of 208 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:03,039 towns kids that they But um, I think, you know, just thinking 209 00:13:03,039 --> 00:13:09,200 about our fight, I think more it's more comple I feel like how big 210 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,519 it is? Okay, Time Rehearns and Ray Lander or but I feel like 211 00:13:15,399 --> 00:13:22,159 it was more Marva Haley against Ray Landing in anything as far as you know, 212 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:28,840 just a style wise, how far and Ray far that fight? Because 213 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:35,039 I mean, I don't think I fight like Ray Leonard or or Time Rehearns. 214 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:37,080 But I get to staying. You know, I'm the man who loved 215 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:43,600 it. But style wise, I would say probably Ray and Marvin Hagler. 216 00:13:45,639 --> 00:13:48,000 All right, Not just one other question for you? You know you, 217 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,919 uh, I know how much you wanted to make this fight so much to 218 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,360 the extent that you didn't take an intern fight when everything with this fight kind 219 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,240 of fell apart at the end of last year and he ended up taking the 220 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,519 fight that he had against David Essien, And I wondered, did you how 221 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,360 much did you consider also taking a fight while still trying to make this one 222 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,639 or just a matter off? You know what, forget it, I'm gonna 223 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,519 just wait this out, let him do his fight, and we're gonna get 224 00:14:11,519 --> 00:14:15,320 this done. Like how did you deal with the question should I fight or 225 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,639 should I wait? Because now you're coming off obviously a much longer layoff than 226 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,879 he is, Oh yeah, I um, you know I was getting that 227 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,679 question a lot. You know, well I was getting yeah, question a 228 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,840 lot, and uh, you know they wanted me to fight and you know, 229 00:14:28,919 --> 00:14:33,159 get another fight. But I didn't want to risk you know, anything 230 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:41,440 happening or you know, or injury or anything like there he could anything to 231 00:14:41,559 --> 00:14:46,320 happen. So I decided to just sitting the half chills and uh and just 232 00:14:46,519 --> 00:14:52,679 wait to until we can get the terms fight or was for sure not happening, 233 00:14:54,039 --> 00:14:58,840 and then I fight. But I wouldn't sacrifice, you just sacrifice the 234 00:14:58,919 --> 00:15:03,639 payday and another win, just waiting and waiting on Terrance, because I just 235 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:07,240 I know the man until this fight, to know the man, unto whos 236 00:15:07,279 --> 00:15:11,240 fin on how big it is and this this is the legs seemed to find 237 00:15:11,279 --> 00:15:16,120 a fight. So I didn't want to just go out as you go out, 238 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,279 just oh he foss somebody. I won't to fight somebody, you know, 239 00:15:20,559 --> 00:15:22,399 I would just put into the eagle to the side and it was like 240 00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:26,720 as around as as just weight on him. All great, Thanks a lot, 241 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,120 Eril appreciate it. Hello, Terrence, good to talk to you today. 242 00:15:30,399 --> 00:15:33,639 Appreciate your time very much. Uh you were talking about all your various 243 00:15:33,639 --> 00:15:39,200 accomplishments earlier as far as that you didn't necessarily have to have this fight with 244 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,320 Errol because of you know, you could go on and have a great legacy 245 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,039 and be in all of fame and all that business. But if you win 246 00:15:45,159 --> 00:15:48,720 this fight, you will be the first mailbox or anyway of the four belt 247 00:15:48,759 --> 00:15:54,000 era to be undisputed in two different weight classes. That's a big deal, 248 00:15:54,039 --> 00:15:56,720 it seems to me. And I wonder when you think about that in relation 249 00:15:56,799 --> 00:15:58,840 to all the other accomplishments that you've had, and you mentioned Fighter of the 250 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,279 Year and you know, multiple division champion, lineal champions, all that business, 251 00:16:03,799 --> 00:16:07,080 where do you think being the first ever guy to do that, meaning 252 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:11,320 when all four belts be undisputed in two weight classes, where would you rank 253 00:16:11,399 --> 00:16:14,440 that on your list of you know, many many accomplishments in your career. 254 00:16:15,919 --> 00:16:18,759 Man, it'll be up there, it'll be up there. It'll be top 255 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,879 three for sure. You know. Like I said, I don't think nothing 256 00:16:23,039 --> 00:16:33,440 is gonna I'll do the accomplishment that I accomplished by winning my first title in 257 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,960 Scotland against Ricky Burns. I think that still is going to hold a big, 258 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:47,559 a big spot, a big number one spot in my heart. Yeah, 259 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:52,039 but this is gonna be a great fight, and it's gonna be a 260 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:57,639 great feeling walking away with all those belts and becoming the first mail boxer and 261 00:16:57,679 --> 00:17:04,440 the four bill error to actually win all four titles in two different divisions back 262 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:12,559 to back. I feel like I started, I started this trend of these 263 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:18,680 fighters want to become undisputed. If you look when I before, I came 264 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:26,799 before I became undisputed. Look what Bernard Hopkins, Jermaine Taylor, you know 265 00:17:27,039 --> 00:17:33,200 I was way back then. You know, so that was a great accomplishment. 266 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,839 But now you see it more frequently, you see it more, you 267 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:41,400 see it happening more often, and that's a great thing. And I think 268 00:17:41,559 --> 00:17:47,759 it's going to lead to a lot of fights being made and a lot of 269 00:17:47,839 --> 00:17:52,960 fighters challenging themselves and daring themselves to be great to try to accomplish the same 270 00:17:53,079 --> 00:17:57,680 thing. When this fight was being negotiated, and we all know what happened 271 00:17:57,799 --> 00:18:00,880 last fall, people thought maybe he was on it. Then happening you ended 272 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:06,039 up taking your fight with David EVANESSI and y'all came back to the table and 273 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,279 it was a difficult negotiation, and obviously everybody is very happy that the fight 274 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,480 is now going to happen. But I wonder at the time it was taking 275 00:18:11,519 --> 00:18:14,119 place and you were going back and forth with Arrow. You mentioned about the 276 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,359 phone calls and that sort of thing. Can you, from your perspective of 277 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,880 making the deal, what was the one thing that finally sort of put you 278 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,319 over the top and said, at least in your mind, you know, 279 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,000 we're good to go, and I'm satisfied, and this fight's going to happen, 280 00:18:27,039 --> 00:18:30,440 Because you know, it was seemed touch and go, at least from 281 00:18:30,519 --> 00:18:33,559 those of us watching the thing unfold on the outside. What was it that 282 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:34,880 put it over the edge for you that said, you know what, this 283 00:18:36,039 --> 00:18:41,480 is going to happen. It's me call on Arrow. I see it. 284 00:18:41,319 --> 00:18:48,319 But they're calling him and going directly to him instead of going through other people. 285 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:53,720 It just took me calling him and us, you know, talking as 286 00:18:53,839 --> 00:19:00,119 men and coming to the agreement. And that's really how fight got made, 287 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,839 and how I was sure that the fight was going to get made, and 288 00:19:04,039 --> 00:19:08,559 how I was comfortable that the fight was about to happen. I know, 289 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:12,119 because I can see you. You're getting namped. I'm getting namped. We'll 290 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,599 be out there. You got to now participate, see the fighters the whole 291 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,400 bit. Now we'll see all of it in person when we're out there. 292 00:19:18,519 --> 00:19:22,400 Just just put a bowl on this before we break it down big time next 293 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,599 week. Spenson Crawford. Yeah, I mean anytime there's these level of fights, 294 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,680 typically that week before they will do it. Used to be in the 295 00:19:30,759 --> 00:19:33,480 older days, just a straight conference call on the phone. Now it's more 296 00:19:33,519 --> 00:19:34,599 of a zoom thing, so you get a chance to see the fighters. 297 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,960 Sometimes they have you on a video, but this one it was we could 298 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,519 see the boxers, but they just had our names on the screen, even 299 00:19:41,559 --> 00:19:44,160 though they could hear our sounds of our voice and everything. So, you 300 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:45,000 know, there was a bunch of press on there and we had a chance 301 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:49,039 to go through. Brian Custer from Showtime was the moderator. He asked a 302 00:19:49,079 --> 00:19:52,880 bunch of questions, and then those of us that were also invited to the 303 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,759 call, we're able to, you know, ask a couple of questions. 304 00:19:56,799 --> 00:20:00,039 The piece of the two fighters they did like Errol and Crawford, each of 305 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:03,200 them separately, wasn't Sometimes in years past I've had the two guys together on 306 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,039 a call and in a fight where there's so much interest, and you know, 307 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,160 both guys into their own time. It was like, you know, 308 00:20:07,319 --> 00:20:11,319 probably a half an hour or so or forty minutes with Crawford and then another 309 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,799 similar period of time with Spence, and you know, everybody just had a 310 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,880 chance of throughout their questions. I felt like looking at both guys, both 311 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,359 guys were attentive. Both guys I thought, did a good job of answering 312 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,839 the questions that were presented to them. Not a lot of bullshit from these 313 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,960 guys. Both guys seemed awfully excited for the fight and you know, sounded 314 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,200 awfully confident, which they should because that's the way they always have been throughout 315 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:37,680 their whole careers. And it just kind of raised a level of everybody's excitement 316 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:42,559 for this great fight. Elevate your career with the new Master of Professional Practice 317 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:48,119 at a University of Blumerick. This innovative and one of a kind program allows 318 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:52,480 you to stack professional diplomas across different disciplines to earn a master's degree. 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Give me 328 00:21:30,279 --> 00:21:36,519 more about when and some of the particulars besides real Big Baby on this right, 329 00:21:36,559 --> 00:21:38,079 so he headlines the show. Obviously, he's taken on a fighter named 330 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,640 Andre Radenko. That's a ten rounder. It's August twenty six. It's gonna 331 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,200 take place once again at the Hard Rock in Tulsa, which is the same 332 00:21:45,279 --> 00:21:48,960 location as the kimbos of my Top Ranks down a bunch of business with them, 333 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,960 you know. And what I like about Top Rank to be to do 334 00:21:52,039 --> 00:21:55,920 as a short side, they'll do the shows where they go to the guy's 335 00:21:56,039 --> 00:21:59,519 hometown and put it in the local arena, like they did with Jared in 336 00:21:59,519 --> 00:22:03,079 the last it. I'm sure that you know, in the not too distance 337 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,319 future, they'll come to Orford forr Jing and do the same thing with Keishan 338 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:11,200 Davis. They've done it in Newark with Shukor Stevenson recently. They've done it, 339 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:12,200 you know, with many of their fighters to the years. But by 340 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,240 the same token, they'll assuit with the big mega show in a big Vegas 341 00:22:15,279 --> 00:22:18,440 casino. But then they also, you know, for different reasons, go 342 00:22:18,599 --> 00:22:22,359 to a place that's looking to put a few dollars up to bring an event 343 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,599 in, like they are with Cambosis against Max Hughes. They'll do the same 344 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:30,119 thing with this event with Jared Anderson and Rodenko. So they mix it up. 345 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,960 They don't just rely just on a small casino. They'll do it the 346 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,359 small casino, they'll do the big casino, they'll do a big arena, 347 00:22:34,599 --> 00:22:37,799 they'll do the local. I mean, they really they do a good job 348 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,519 mixing that up. So this particular show, as you mentioned, it's a 349 00:22:40,599 --> 00:22:42,640 heavyweight triple header, which I'm intrigued by. I mean, you gotta give 350 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:47,759 heavyweights to the fans at some times because it does help make the sport go 351 00:22:47,839 --> 00:22:51,119 around. People like to see the big guy. So you got Anderson is 352 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:55,400 taken on Rodenko that was already announced. They just formally announced a Ethia Jagba, 353 00:22:55,440 --> 00:23:00,279 who's a big guy, big power Olympian. He's taken on Zonkoski, 354 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,359 who was originally the guy that was supposed to fight Jared Anderson in the last 355 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,240 fight. He didn't get his visa done in time and so we ended up 356 00:23:07,279 --> 00:23:10,160 fighting Charles Martin that I was gonna say, we apparently can get him into 357 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,039 the country and now we're gonna get this fight with a Jagua. Okay, 358 00:23:12,279 --> 00:23:17,119 So instead though originally Top Rank was saying we're just gonna have Jared fight him 359 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,279 next, you know, instead he fought Martin and then we'll just go back 360 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:23,200 and remake the Kosabutski fight. For whatever reason, they got a different opponent 361 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,440 in Rodenko for Jared and they're gonna have a Jagba fight Kosabutski instead. It's, 362 00:23:27,519 --> 00:23:30,200 you know, kind of six to one, half a dozen of the 363 00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:33,119 other. Kosabutski does have a great record as nineteen to know with eighteen knockots, 364 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,839 even though he hasn't fought a lot of top guys. He's a southpaw 365 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,599 from Kazakhstan. So that's that fight, and then the third fight of this 366 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,960 triple header is the eight rounder that opens it up. And as we've I've 367 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,799 written about it and has sort of been out there for a while. That 368 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,599 was talked about on Top Ranks most recent rub but now they finally made the 369 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:53,519 official announcement they have signed the twenty twenty Olympics super heavyweight gold medal winner Baka 370 00:23:53,559 --> 00:23:59,079 deer Joala Loaf, who was a big, strapping, big time south paw 371 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,400 puncher, just a really outstanding fighter. He's kind of in a weird situation 372 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:10,160 because he's not like twenty two, he's a little older, he's twenty eight 373 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,640 already, but he's a big dude, six seven, two fifty. He's 374 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,480 also, like I said, a south pot, which is not the most 375 00:24:14,599 --> 00:24:19,160 common thing for big heavyweights in any event. He's making so much money from 376 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:25,519 the government in Huzbekistan that has sort of sponsored him and supported him to continue 377 00:24:25,559 --> 00:24:29,759 doing amateur tournaments and that sort of thing that he's done that so he hasn't 378 00:24:29,799 --> 00:24:32,519 foughts in this November when he had the boxing match that he had on the 379 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,240 undercard, when we're just program foughts and pated for the title, and I 380 00:24:36,319 --> 00:24:37,240 sort of was wondering to myself, well, where's he been, And then 381 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,160 I looked at his record and I saw he's had about a dozen amateur fights, 382 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,400 including participating in the World Amateur Championships, which he won. And there's 383 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,200 a lot of conversation that now, even though he's with top rank professionally in 384 00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:51,599 this contract that he recently signed, that he's going to be like a part 385 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,680 time pro fighter because besides doing the fight that we'll see in August, he's 386 00:24:55,759 --> 00:25:00,119 probably it's not one hundred percent, but most likely he's going to participate as 387 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,440 the super heavyweight representative for Ruzbekistan in the twenty twenty four Paris Olympics and have 388 00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:08,240 a really good chance to become a two time super heavyweight gold medalist, which 389 00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:12,759 has I don't think has ever happened since that super heavyweight division was created. 390 00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:18,680 There has been guys that have won multiple, uh gold medals in the heavyweight 391 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,359 division. You know, if you go back you know in uh, yeah, 392 00:25:21,559 --> 00:25:23,680 you know, back years ago with Felix Savone and some other you know, 393 00:25:23,759 --> 00:25:26,920 the Cubans, but uh, you know, it will be a pretty 394 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,559 big accomplishment. So I'm not sure where he's going as a pro, but 395 00:25:29,759 --> 00:25:32,279 he's going to be on that cart. Also, they announced his opponent. 396 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,400 Uh, and I don't know if you're gonna make me pronounce the opponent's gonna 397 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,319 try it, You're gonna go for it. I'm a little I'm a little 398 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,480 concerned about it. Looks like on a donde in a rollami. That's what 399 00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:47,640 I'm gonna go with Errola me, I think. And you did so well 400 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,799 with Ruda, Tinko, Faa, Jogba, Kosa Bootski and Jolla Loov We'll 401 00:25:51,839 --> 00:25:56,960 give everybody a pass on this opponent that is looks like Lallamray. I think 402 00:25:56,079 --> 00:26:00,920 we'll find out is the heavy favorite. We know vs. Twelve and oh 403 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,640 at twelve knockouts and La Army twenty and two with nineteen and we'll see what 404 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,559 happens. But here's the thing. When I saw a heavyweight triple header, 405 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,000 it made me think back to the days where not all the time, but 406 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,559 every now and then on HBO they would do what they would call like Knight 407 00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:19,160 of the Young Heavyweight Sir, and they put on like I remember reading heavyweight 408 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,799 fights sometimes. I think maybe once there was four heavyweight fights whatever I remember 409 00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:27,920 seeing like when A very famous example, of course, was you know John 410 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,720 Ruise getting knocked out in nineteen seconds by David Toua on one of those shows, 411 00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:33,920 and of course John was able to. I mean, if you had 412 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,200 said on that night, when you see David too it looked like a house 413 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,640 of fire and just destroy this man in nineteen seconds, you'd say to yourself, 414 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,319 which one is going to be a guy that wins a future heavyweight title? 415 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,160 You would never have been on John Ruiz, and John Ruis the one 416 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,720 that ended up winning the heavyweight title, and David Tooa, in my estimation 417 00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:52,440 it was probably the best heavyweight of that time to never win a heavyweight title, 418 00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:53,880 maybe one of the best heavyweights of all time never to win a heavyweight 419 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,000 title. But anyway, these those are interesting shows. So this is sort 420 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,960 of like in my mind then Night of the Younger and the Younger Heavyweight let's 421 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,359 call them, because the prospects are Anderson, A, Jola, lov and 422 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,000 a job But they're not being matched up with complete steps either, so you 423 00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:12,720 know, it makes it fun. You gotta you gotta keep heavyweight boxing going 424 00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:17,079 in a top rank hasn't been involved in it in a major way at one 425 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:18,079 point for a long time, but now they're back in it. Obviously, 426 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,519 they've as the co promoter of Tyson Furia over the last several years and and 427 00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:25,240 they've been signing these guys. So, I mean, it's always exciting when 428 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,119 you see three what looked like, you know, pretty decent heavyweight matchups. 429 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:32,240 They're hard to make and I'll enjoy them. Let's keep going with the news. 430 00:27:32,519 --> 00:27:37,160 There is also now a set double header championship double header in Tokyo. 431 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,319 Again, that's where the inn away Fulton bout is. They'll come back in 432 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:48,680 September with unified junior flyweight champ Kinshiro Taraji, very entertaining, explosive fighter, 433 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:55,079 he's in action, and also Juneto Nakatani, the WBO Junior bandomweight titlist is 434 00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:57,359 also one of the herd. So give me more on this card win specifically, 435 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,640 it is a little more. It's on September eighteenth. It's gonna be 436 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,559 in Tokyo. Uh, they had that. That was announced at a news 437 00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:07,000 conference this week. What was not announced, but it will be the case 438 00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:11,079 from my reporting is it will like some of these past events that involved Nakatani 439 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,960 and Taragi, it will be on ESPM plus in the United States, which 440 00:28:14,039 --> 00:28:17,319 means you will see it live from Tokyo. They wake up, you know, 441 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:18,480 whatever time they do, it will be in the early early morning the 442 00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:22,039 United States sign you know, four or five in the morning. Uh. 443 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,279 But I just love these guys, I mean, Taraji Nakatani. Again, 444 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:26,440 they're not if you put it like this, you're a you're a die hard 445 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,559 boxing if you're listening to our podcast, so hopefully you heard of these guys. 446 00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:33,319 But they're among the most exciting fighters in boxing. Taraji is a tremendously 447 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,640 exciting fighter, a unified champion at one hundred and eight pounds with a big 448 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,640 win a couple of fights ago against uh, you know, his his own 449 00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:45,960 his countrymen, uh, you know um and that was a pretty big fight, 450 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,400 you know, Hiroti Kayaguchi, big win for him and uh and Nakatani, 451 00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:52,720 I mean he had been a flyweight champion. In his last fight he 452 00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:56,200 went up to junior band and wait won a vacant title and probably what's I 453 00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:57,519 think at the moment, maybe the leader for knock out of the year against 454 00:28:57,519 --> 00:29:02,079 Andrew Maloney that was on the undercard when Devin Haney fought Loma Chanko back in 455 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,440 May, and so they're both going to defend the title their titles on this 456 00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:08,359 doubleheader and they're they're pretty good matchups. Taragi is fighting Hecky Butler, who 457 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,839 was a very well respected long time contender slash former champion from South Africa's won 458 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,640 titles and two weight classes strawweight, was a unified champion also at junior flyweight. 459 00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:22,720 He's looking to win junior flyweight unified title once again. And No Nakatani, 460 00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:25,839 for my money, is probably one of the most exciting and rising guys 461 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,319 in the sport, you know, at a twenty five in oh with nineteen 462 00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:30,519 knockouts, big big puncher. This will be the first defense he's making since 463 00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:33,440 that big giant knockout, and he's taken on a really rough, tough Mexican 464 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,599 fighter him Argue Cortez. And if you're like me in a totally degenerate and 465 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,480 you watch all the Mexico shows on Zone that match Room Boxing did. He 466 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:48,839 gave Juan Francisco Astrata everything he could possibly handle last fall in a really good 467 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,519 fight. This was the fight that Astrada had prior to his third fight with 468 00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:56,839 Chocolate Tito Gonzalez, and you know, he didn't have a belt at that 469 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,359 time, but Estrada was still considered the lineal champion at that time. He 470 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,160 then won the vacant title in the third fight against Chocolate Tito. But but 471 00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:07,839 Cortez, you know, you know, not a bad record twenty five three 472 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,279 and two, but you know, not not big accomplishment. He put on 473 00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:14,119 a great fight that night. He gave a Strata everything you can handle. 474 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,119 And uh, I suspect he might be able to do the same thing with 475 00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:21,519 Nakatani. But Nakatani is a bigger puncher than Astrata is and it's going to 476 00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:25,240 be the great equalizer, I guess. But anyway, I just love these 477 00:30:25,319 --> 00:30:30,079 Japanese shows. Two good, interesting fights that should figure for excitement and you 478 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,799 know, just wake up early and you get a chance to sehim. And 479 00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:34,519 also not that it's for my for my purpose, not the biggest deal in 480 00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:38,680 the world. But and anybody remembers watching Floyd Mayweather when he had his first 481 00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:42,920 exhibition post boxing retirement, and he went to Japan and absolutely pummeled in for 482 00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:49,680 in the first round. The big time superstar kickboxer Tension Nasakawa Will Tension Nasakawa 483 00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:53,839 on one of the Taragi undercards. Turned pro in boxing and want to fight. 484 00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:57,880 You know a few months ago he will have his second professional official boxing 485 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,920 match on this the card. Keep in mind when Floyd destroyed him in one 486 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,480 round, you know, he was a junior featherweight slash featherweight as a boxer 487 00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:10,279 or kickboxer. Floyd of course was like, you know, almost one hundred 488 00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:14,079 and fifty plus pounds for that fight. Now he's in he's fighting his professional 489 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,400 fights, you know, as a as a junior featherweight, so big difference 490 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:18,640 in terms of the size. So and he's a big star over there. 491 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,839 We love you so for the breakdown. But that is borderline sickness that you 492 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,799 do know all of that about those Japanese fighters. But that's why we Hey, 493 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,039 that's why we're here on the podcast feed and the Fight Freaks Unite substack 494 00:31:29,119 --> 00:31:33,160 that you need to be Yes, there there are a few things I and 495 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,960 I actually said this to uh to my man, Evan Corn, the public 496 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,119 relations director from Top Rank, when we were I was emailing him about when 497 00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:45,039 they had announced this show, and I was like, there's there's I don't 498 00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:48,079 know if there's not that many things I enjoy more in boxing than a good 499 00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:56,160 Japanese World championship card with two quality fights and exciting usually guys in smaller weight 500 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,880 classes. I just love that shit, and this is exactly the kind of 501 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,960 I love. It'd be highly entertaining in September. Let's continue on the news 502 00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:09,640 items before the nostalgia. They have rescheduled the rematch between Liam Smith and Chris 503 00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:14,160 Eubank Junior. It is now September. Second. They were trying to fight 504 00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:17,000 this summer, and you love the word, but Liam Smith's back was injured. 505 00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:21,039 He called it a niggle in the back, not a wiggle, not 506 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,640 a jiggle, not a giggle. The back wiggle appeared to be minor, 507 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:29,279 but then it was serious enough where he had to take a layoff from training. 508 00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:32,680 So now the fight back on. Smith won surprisingly as the underdog by 509 00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:39,160 knockout. This is a huge non title deal in the UK, prominent popular 510 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,759 fighters and so a couple of weeks before that Japanese show, you're talking about 511 00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:47,720 Labor Day weekend in the US. They they don't do that in the UK. 512 00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:52,799 But it is Liam Smith Chris Eubank, the rematch. It's now set 513 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,160 real quick. Yeah, just a good fight. I mean, the first 514 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,720 fight turned out to be very interesting, as you mentioned, an upset. 515 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,039 What was sort of been intriguing to me about the whole build up to this 516 00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:05,400 Once the fight was postponed, you know, I remember they were supposed to 517 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,240 do it in why first bout January second, they were supposed to have the 518 00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:10,720 fight in June. It got delayed by two weeks, which supposed to be 519 00:33:10,839 --> 00:33:14,240 was like, as you mentioned, the niggle, not the giggle, not 520 00:33:14,319 --> 00:33:17,440 the jiggle, not the wiggle, but the niggle. But that two weeks 521 00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:21,440 came and went, and so it goes from July from June seventeenth, and 522 00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:24,839 you didn't really hear much about it. And granted now it's rescheduled for September 523 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,799 second, but during that period of time when the June seventeenth date was postponed 524 00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:32,400 but the September second date was not yet announced, which it was this week, 525 00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:37,960 there was a lot of stuff going on about would you Bank still go 526 00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:42,839 through with the fight because there was still a lot of possibilities or chatter that, 527 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,319 you know what, he would not do this fight, even though it 528 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,680 was he that picked up his contractual option to do the rematch, but he 529 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:54,480 would bypass and go once again to try to remake the canceled fight against against 530 00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:59,720 Connor Ben. Remember when their fight got canceled because Connor Ben's bad drug test. 531 00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:02,599 The reason why you Bank and Lean Smith happened in the first place was 532 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,720 because that Ben fight didn't happen. And so the people that are responsive for 533 00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:09,719 you Bank's career, we're looking for a big fight for him right then. 534 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,719 The biggest one they could find was against Liam Smith, a very credible, 535 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,119 popular British fighter, former junior middleweight title holder, and they made the fighting. 536 00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:22,159 Now they've created their own rivalry. So but as a so when you 537 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,000 heard a lot from Eddie Hern will maybe you Bank will fight Ben. Obviously 538 00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:29,679 that's not happening. He's going to stick with the rematch plan. It's a 539 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,239 sky Box Office pay per view in the UK. No word yet on what 540 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,679 the deal is for the United States. When they did their first fight in 541 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,719 January, it ended up live on the Zone as part of your normal subscription. 542 00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:42,880 I am hopeful that that will be the case again for this rematch, 543 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,920 and they'll just do the exact same thing they did the first time around. 544 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,039 We'll get it for free here in America as part of your subscription not have 545 00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:52,280 to pay extra like they do in the UK. But look, it's a 546 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:53,840 it's a good as you mentioned, just a just a good old grudge match. 547 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,039 Well and just one more side note of this is just me putting this 548 00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:00,840 out there. I know that promoters have to do whatever they can to prop 549 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:06,400 their guys or whatever, but all the endless propaganda from Eddie Hearn about this, 550 00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:08,639 We're gonna get his name cleared, this, that British Boxing Board of 551 00:35:08,679 --> 00:35:14,320 Control appeal this that notice Connor Ben can't get license, doesn't have a fight, 552 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:20,000 and so that at least from my standpoint, that's what should have happened. 553 00:35:20,039 --> 00:35:22,559 That it should have been a long term suspension and it has stayed that 554 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:27,760 way. And plus the Smith Ubank Junior fight has sizzle for the rematch angle 555 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,239 on it and we can't convey enough. Just one more time, Chris you 556 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:36,320 Bank Senior immensely popular. You Bank Junior has got some of that momentum from 557 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,800 the dad and he took this loss. So this is a big deal. 558 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,760 And Smith Liam Smith, a very popular fighter out of Liverpool and his brother 559 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:50,320 will actually fight Arter better Bev on the timeline in August for the World Light 560 00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:52,639 heavyweight title before. Liam Smith is back in the ring in this rematch, 561 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:58,719 So the Smith's the Smith's in action coming up later on here in in the 562 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,920 summer. All right, two more items. You've got some reporting on a 563 00:36:01,039 --> 00:36:07,239 world title fight not yet is it official yet? What is not yet official? 564 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:12,679 What are we hearing about a September featherweight title fight that and Himie Mungia 565 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,000 is on the rundown. I'm intrigued. What do we got? Well, 566 00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:22,280 first and foremost, you have the IBF featherweight champion Louis Alberto Lopez, who 567 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:28,000 of course went to England bumped off Josh Warrington to win the belt. Went 568 00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:31,960 back to that neck of the woods in Belfast, Northern Ireland in his last 569 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,480 fight that took place a few months ago, and he knocked out Michael Collin 570 00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:40,360 in his hometown. So he wins the belt on the road in the hometown 571 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:45,920 of Warrington, goes back to Belfast for his first defense, knocks out Michael 572 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:51,280 Colin and two very significant and important wins for the guy. So now he's 573 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,559 coming back finally to what will be a friendly atmosphere for his next defense that 574 00:36:54,639 --> 00:36:59,400 will take place September fifteenth on an ESPN top ranked card. It is of 575 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,800 consequence the night before Mexican Independence Day. That fight will take place in Corpus 576 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,639 Christi, Texas. Obviously will be a big Mexican crowd. His opponent will 577 00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:12,239 be the very tough, very durable, always interesting to watch Joet Gonzalez, 578 00:37:12,639 --> 00:37:16,639 who I believe is finally in a position where it's a winnable fight for him, 579 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:22,000 because he's got three losses. Two of them have come by decision in 580 00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:27,280 world title fights that were fights that he probably didn't have the greatest chance to 581 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,039 win. One was for against Shakor Stevenson, which he that was for the 582 00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:36,519 vacant title of the WBO back when Shakur won his first world title. That 583 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,519 was probably the worst possible style matchup that you could have given to Joet Gonzalz. 584 00:37:39,559 --> 00:37:44,719 He just had no chance against the very dazzling boxer and Stevenson. The 585 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:49,519 next one came in two twenty nineteen. In twenty twenty one, he got 586 00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:52,039 an opportunity to fight Emmanuel Navarette for that same belt, because remember Navarette won 587 00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:55,800 the belt after Stevenson vacated and moved up and wait and Navarette, you know 588 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,280 was I think was at his absolute best at that time and just buzz through. 589 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,360 You know, it didn't buzz through him in the sense he knocked him 590 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,280 out, but it was a very, very punishing fight. Navarette was throwing 591 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,639 eight billion punches and it was just too much for Joett. And you know, 592 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:15,880 he lost a pretty clear but a hugely exciting fight against Lopez. Despite 593 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,639 his two big wins on his last two fights, I think he's more a 594 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,559 more vulnerable, let's say, a more beatable guy. I don't know if 595 00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:25,840 I picked Joette to win, but it seems like he's got the better chance 596 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,840 to win this one than he would have against Navarette or Shakoor. But for 597 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,800 those of us who aren't in the ring worrying about who's got the title, 598 00:38:32,119 --> 00:38:36,119 I think we're going to get a good, exciting action fight. I don't 599 00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:38,440 see any way you put Joett Gonzalz in the ring with Lopez that it's not 600 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,480 going to be something entertaining. So that will be the headline fight of that 601 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:49,400 upcoming Free Mexican Independence Day boxing card in Corpus Christi. Corpus Christie, tex 602 00:38:49,559 --> 00:38:53,159 is one of the most southern, maybe a practically the most southern point in 603 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:58,159 the United States. It's right on the right, on the parallel line across 604 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,280 the bottom of Florida. I love how we get your geography and geography, 605 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:08,119 and right across the bottom of California there as well. Himimungia is on the 606 00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:13,960 rundown. Please tell me this is a relevant, important fight that he may 607 00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:15,239 be about to have. He had a he had a heck of a fight 608 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:20,599 with Sergey to Revanchenko earlier this year. Are we following it up with a 609 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,079 relevant fight if not a title fight? Why is he on the rundown? 610 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:28,320 What's the update? First of all, there has been conversation between the Mungia 611 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,880 camp and the devin Chenko camp about the possibility they rematch. Okay, and 612 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,800 there's no one is I'm not saying that they won't do it, but I 613 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,199 am told they're not like jumping up and down for the rematch, even though 614 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,079 it was probably I mean, honestly, it's it's one of the top one 615 00:39:42,159 --> 00:39:45,039 or two three, you know, in that upper echelon of the handful of 616 00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:47,360 fights that are in the clear running for fight of the year so far, 617 00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:51,960 just a was an absolute freaking slug fest war. If he didn't see it, 618 00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:54,000 you know, hit up your zone. App and look for the replay. 619 00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:57,079 But just that was a bad ass fect. I agree with you, 620 00:39:57,159 --> 00:40:00,480 it's got to be any conversation it was, so why don't I think anybody 621 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,280 would moan and complain about having a rematchew those two guys. What the Zone 622 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,400 is interested to do and whether it can actually happen or not, this remains 623 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,280 to be seen. But my sources tell me without question that the Zone has 624 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:15,039 gone to people at at Golden Boy, and they've gone to people with Matchroom, 625 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,920 and they are trying to sort of play the groundwork to try to see 626 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,440 if they can get a fight done between Hemi Mangia and Edgar Berlanga. That's 627 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,679 a very exciting, interesting fight, super middleweight match Mexico versus Puerto Rico. 628 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,239 Two guys who are undefeated with great records, two guys who have generally made 629 00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:35,760 entertaining fights. And again, I don't want to like bullshit people and say 630 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,119 it's happening or it's like deep in negotiations. I'm just telling you as a 631 00:40:38,199 --> 00:40:44,039 matter of fact that they're at least exploring the possibility of trying to make that 632 00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:46,760 fight. I don't think either side is on board yet. My understanding from 633 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:52,320 the sources who would know is that the Mungia camp would certainly entertain that fight, 634 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,000 but they need to hear the details. Okay, what's what's what's the 635 00:40:55,079 --> 00:40:59,639 money, what's what's the status of everything else associated with the event. Same 636 00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:01,280 thing with Berlanga. You know, the Berlanga camp is going to be maybe 637 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:06,199 a little trickier because remember, they thought they were going to get a fight 638 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,159 with Canello Oberas. They signed with match Room Boxing under the pretense of you're 639 00:41:10,159 --> 00:41:13,800 probably gonna we're gonna get you a fight with Canello. Then Cannello up and 640 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:19,159 leaves match Room Boxing right and he's got an Allo fight. So he's not 641 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,840 the most thrilled guy in the world. So that's that's an issue for them, 642 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,800 without question. So it's gonna take probably a lot of money to get 643 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,760 him to take a fight with Hamimungia. That's first and foremost. But you 644 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,119 know, at least at least the zone is it seems to be they're trying 645 00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:36,519 to do the right thing to make that fight, and that would be you 646 00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:38,280 know, that's a really good matchup if they can make it happen. Again, 647 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:44,079 I'm skeptical, but at least they're they're seemingly trying to make the effort 648 00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:45,639 and that's a good match, all right. So clarify one thing for me, 649 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:50,880 Because Mungia moved up to fight Derevanchenko to one sixty eight, I thought, 650 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,119 this is me saying this. He looked somewhat out of shape. He 651 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:59,679 looked a little flabby. Mungia to me around the middle and whatever, Why 652 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,840 would he not moved back down to middleweight and fight for one of these world 653 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:07,119 titles? In particular, he was the number one contender forever for the w 654 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,840 BO title. Why would that not be attractive while you're trying to make a 655 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:14,639 fight to go get a world title at one sixty just because from the standpoint, 656 00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:16,599 you're not going to get a shot at Canelo Alvarez in the next couple 657 00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:22,280 of fights probably anyway, No matter what Oscar dal Lajoya hopes or wishes for, 658 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,320 or prays for, or buys a lottery ticket for, that's not going 659 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:30,800 to happen right now in the next six to nine months. He's not getting 660 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,840 a shot at Caneloy. Why not drop back down to middleweight, getting great 661 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,559 shape and go fight for a world title in a lucrative payday. No, 662 00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:39,079 I don't listen, that's a good question. I think that he just doesn't 663 00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:42,280 want to make the waiter, says he can't make the waiter. Whatever the 664 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,519 reason is. I mean, he's gone to super midaway and I think that's 665 00:42:44,519 --> 00:42:47,199 where he's going to stay. Feels stronger, sturdier, or whatever the case 666 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,480 may be. You know, he won to a dealt at Junior Middlewait and 667 00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:52,760 defended it a few times, you know. And I tell you what, 668 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,360 the anniversary of his biggest win against Lean Smith is coming up this week, 669 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,679 and that win looks better now than it did back then after seeing what Lilliam 670 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,840 Smith was able to do with with U Bank Junior. But anyway, you 671 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,920 know, listen, Monia is a trek towards a title or not a title, 672 00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:14,239 I mean whatever I mean, But you know what, I'm happy if 673 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,159 they make against Berlanga title multiple. That would be a big time of fighting. 674 00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:21,800 That would be a bit. But on the Rayphael bs Meter, d'anchanna 675 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,519 always up chan would be it absolutely happens one it has no shot of happening. 676 00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:29,239 Give me a number I would say I would I would put it like 677 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,280 five six. I think it's because listen, here's here's Here's what I've been 678 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:37,320 told. Manelo Alvarez has left the Zone, not that he was tied to 679 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,199 them, but he's been with them, working with them for a while. 680 00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:43,280 Well. Whenever he would fight, they would put up these huge guarantees of 681 00:43:43,679 --> 00:43:45,559 tens of millions of dollars or those fights. And while that's not going to 682 00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:50,280 suddenly become tens of million dollars, they're gonna start throwing around to other fights. 683 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,199 There is the sense that the Zone has a little bit more free will 684 00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:59,440 to make a specific fight two, three, four here and there that aren't 685 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,599 even close to that kind of money but still costly. The day can now 686 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:07,159 take some of that money that was maybe earmark for that big time fight and 687 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:12,320 do it for reasons that make more sense if your zone. I don't know 688 00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:15,599 what was the impetus to pay Canello. I'm not knocking Canello, but from 689 00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:20,480 their perspective, why would you put up that kind of money when he's going 690 00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:23,519 to go on pay per view and it doesn't necessarily generate subscriptions for your service 691 00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:28,440 because anybody that doesn't want a long term commitment can just on one night go 692 00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:30,880 buy the pay per view or buy a month of the Zone and get the 693 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,480 pay per view and then no longer subscribe. Like it doesn't seem like it's 694 00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:37,440 a way to build your subscriber base, which in the end is what the 695 00:44:37,559 --> 00:44:45,000 goal here is is subscriber creation and subscriber retention, something I have learned about 696 00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:47,280 when it comes to my own endeavors with my newsletter. You know, you 697 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,639 got to give the people that subscribe a reason to keep subscribing, but you 698 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,360 also got to bring in new subscribers. And if you make fights like Berlanga 699 00:44:55,440 --> 00:45:00,320 against Mongia or any number of other fights we could talk about, that's not 700 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:06,199 only a way to retain your subscribers by giving them quality product month after a 701 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,400 month, but it's gonna maybe generate new subscribers and not take them to pay 702 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,639 per view because doing Canello for tens of millions and having it as a pay 703 00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:16,079 per view did not help your bottom line, which is the subscriber business. 704 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:22,119 That's what's got to drive that bus. So I think there's a chance because 705 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:27,079 they may decide we can afford or we're going to tap into our resources to 706 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,599 put up a little bit more of the money it would take to make that 707 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,719 fight than just your average sort of event that they may do on a week 708 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,840 to week or month or basically and money talks, and that matchup is easier 709 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,800 to be made if there's a lot more money involved. And we could go 710 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:44,320 for another fifteen minutes on how screwed up the zone got with do we want 711 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,119 people to subscribe? That was the whole premise with Canello, And now we 712 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,920 can't get enough subscribers and pay enough to make this work as a business model, 713 00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:53,000 So now we have to go to pay per view and admit that we 714 00:45:53,119 --> 00:45:57,159 were wrong and couldn't make this work, and we got to go to pay 715 00:45:57,159 --> 00:46:02,159 per view anyway. So there's a hybrid that they're currently in with that one 716 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:07,239 piece of nostalgia that you are very intrigued to talk about. It is twenty 717 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:12,199 one years ago tonight as we record this podcast. We released it overnight Thursday 718 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,559 into Friday, July twentieth, two thousand and two. Tremendous fight the late 719 00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:24,079 Vernon Forests and Sugar Shane Mosley their immediate rematch for the WBC Welterweight title one 720 00:46:24,199 --> 00:46:29,840 Dan Raphael ringside and we talk about different places where the fight was. I'm 721 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:36,079 intoed Indianapolis is where the fight was for this not Vegas, not La Sugar 722 00:46:36,119 --> 00:46:38,559 Shane Mosley, a California guy. This one in Indianapolis. So tell me 723 00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:44,239 more about the nostalgia of Vernon Forest and Sugar Shane Mosley. The rematch. 724 00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:49,239 Well, the reason that it was in Indianapolis was because every summer in Indianapolis 725 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,719 they put on what's called Black Expo, which is a big, exposed, 726 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:58,239 you know, big activity, big event sort of thing geared towards African Americans. 727 00:46:58,639 --> 00:47:04,400 And this was a cornerstone event of that of that Expo, which you 728 00:47:04,519 --> 00:47:07,320 have to h you know, renowned American black fighters and uh, you know, 729 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,199 both were you know, you know, big names. Or Vernon had 730 00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:14,280 become a bigger name after beating Sugar Shane, but Sugar saying, prior to 731 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,960 the first fight was considered pound for pounds. So they were bringing basically a 732 00:47:17,039 --> 00:47:22,400 black oriented fight to that event and to make it at one of the cornerstones 733 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,400 of this big festival that went on for a number of days that also had 734 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,719 concerts and other cultural activities and that sort of thing. So it's really to 735 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,599 this day, it's the only time I've ever off top of my head is 736 00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:34,559 I think it's the only time I've ever been to Indianapolis certainly the only time 737 00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:37,719 I went there for a fight. This was a big time fight. I 738 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,280 mean, I can't tell you it's as big as Errol Spence of Terrence Crawford, 739 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,960 but you know, it was a pretty big deal. They had a 740 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,639 big crowd there that night. That took place in the Consaco Field House, 741 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,960 where as the home I don't I get. I don't know if it's still 742 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,480 called that these days. There's like two names later, I think one. 743 00:47:51,559 --> 00:47:53,880 Okay, I want to say now it's like the Banker's Life. Well whatever 744 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,920 it was. The Pacers play basketball exactly, and it was it was pretty 745 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,800 new at the time back when they did this event. Yeah, you know, 746 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,840 for this fight. So if you if you go back, this is 747 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,880 two thousand and two in January. If two thousand and two in what was 748 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,239 a huge upset, you know, Sugar Shane Moseley was like thirty eight and 749 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,360 oh he was coming off of uh, you know, he had been Oscar 750 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,039 dal Lajoya to win the Walter Waight title. He had defended it with knockout 751 00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:21,480 victories against you know, not big big top guys, but quality guys, 752 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:27,719 and and Vernon had been the IBF champion. He gave up that title because 753 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,559 of the opportunity to fight the Shane Moseley fight instead of a much lower profile, 754 00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:36,320 lesser money, you know, less lucrative mandatory. By all rights, 755 00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,039 their first fight should have been a unification. That wasn't because of what I 756 00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:42,000 just said. But anyway, that fight took place at the Madison Square Garden 757 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,119 Theater. Fight I also covered, and Shane Moseley got his ass kicked that 758 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,840 night in a big, big shocker. Now the talking points about the rivalry 759 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:52,519 routine and Sugar Shane Mosley and Vernon Forrest was even though Sugar Shane was the 760 00:48:52,599 --> 00:48:54,800 pound for pound number one and the Walter Waight champon undefeated and all that, 761 00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:00,079 Vernon was this guy with who had height, a great jab in a long 762 00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:06,000 reach, who had won a big amateur fight against Shane Mosey that kept him 763 00:49:06,039 --> 00:49:08,480 from making the nineteen ninety two Olympic team. And Vernon is the one that 764 00:49:08,639 --> 00:49:14,039 ended up on the nineteen ninety two Olympic team, you know, along with 765 00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:16,519 Oscar dal Lajoya and you know other Chris Byrd and Tim Austen and other you 766 00:49:16,599 --> 00:49:21,719 know guys that would go on to have excellent professional careers. So the talking 767 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,639 point was is it gonna be he's gonna repeat what he did in the amateurs 768 00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:28,239 or is it a whole new ball game in the pros. As it turned 769 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,360 out, he was able to win the fight in the in the pro. 770 00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:34,519 In the pro first you know, the pro rematch if you will, Uh 771 00:49:34,679 --> 00:49:38,280 knocked Sugar Shane down and took the title and Sugar Shane had a rematch clause 772 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:43,800 which he exercised. Now, this was the whole business between Vernon and Shane 773 00:49:44,519 --> 00:49:49,159 was really one of the first big events that al Haman was involved in boxing. 774 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,880 He was Vernon Forrest manager. That was his first ever client. This 775 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,639 is when he first got involved in boxing, and he helped negotiate those fights 776 00:49:55,679 --> 00:49:59,280 and he was, you know, one of the reasons why that fight wound 777 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,559 up in Indianapolis. And so that's you know, part of the early evolution 778 00:50:02,599 --> 00:50:06,000 of Al Hayman's involved in boxing. But anyway, they went to any outs 779 00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:08,719 for this rematch and Uh, it was was it repeat or revenge? And 780 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,760 it turned out to be repeat because and once again Vernon Forrest put on a 781 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,599 masterclass of boxing one by pretty similar scores in the second fight as the first 782 00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:20,599 fight not as much drama because there was no knockdowns where Shane, you know, 783 00:50:20,679 --> 00:50:22,559 was so badly hurt in the first fight, was able to survive. 784 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,719 But Vernon, you know, at that moment, you know, you could 785 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,760 argue Vernon was the best fighter in the world. That I ended up losing 786 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,880 the next fight to Ricard on my Orga in that great three round shootout where 787 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:35,119 he lost in a unification fight. But on a jet July twentieth, two 788 00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:37,280 thousand and two, when he beat Shane Mosley for the second time, he 789 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:42,679 was on top of the world and he was easily one of the best handful 790 00:50:42,679 --> 00:50:45,519 of fighters in boxing. Y had, you know, just a big, 791 00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:49,320 big event, big HBO fight you know which uh you know, no pay 792 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,400 per view or anything like that. And what what people also don't maybe don't 793 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,239 remember, but on that undercard was the then hot pot up and coming or 794 00:50:55,239 --> 00:51:00,079 not up and coming, but the top light heavyweight contenders, Eric Harding and 795 00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:06,039 Antonio Tarverer fighting in a I believe, if my memory is maybe favored a 796 00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:09,760 little, I believe it was a an elimination fight and uh, Antonio Tarbert 797 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,159 looked great then now he dropped Eric Carting a bunch of times and won by 798 00:51:13,159 --> 00:51:15,079 a fifth round knock at. And the thing that that always stands out to 799 00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:19,280 me is when he dropped him at one point in the fight and the referee, 800 00:51:19,679 --> 00:51:22,239 uh you know, was giving him the account and questioned him after harding 801 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,920 it up. He said, uh, something to the effect of do you 802 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,679 know where you are? He says, yeah, I know where I am. 803 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,440 He says, I'm a Philadelphia fighter. In other words, he didn't 804 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:31,519 say in the NAVIS, but he was given the referee of the notion. 805 00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,559 But yeah, I'm good. I'm a Philadelphia fighter, so I'm I'm here 806 00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:37,800 to fight, which was a great answer even on the referee let the fighter. 807 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:42,000 You gotta be careful though, of answering that question wrong, because sometimes 808 00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:44,440 that can lead to a stopage. It's a good point you make. And 809 00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:49,920 Tarber time I got to know him around this time in the Tampa Bay media. 810 00:51:50,639 --> 00:51:53,800 He came and sat with me in a radio studio for an hour and 811 00:51:54,159 --> 00:51:58,480 it was obvious then he was a great talker, long before the World Championship 812 00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,000 wins, obviously over Roy Joe, long before the Rocky bau balla movie which 813 00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:06,039 Raphael once again to point out that you were on the cutting room floor. 814 00:52:06,159 --> 00:52:09,760 You had a scene in the Rocky movie, the Rocky Balboa Movie with Antonio 815 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,719 tarver So, I just you bade me, you jogged me on him beating 816 00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,199 Eric Harting. I do remember well Erica, and then I remember him today. 817 00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,440 But at that time, Eric Harting was one of the best light heavyweights 818 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,119 in the world. He had given a very credible, excellent performance when he 819 00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:27,840 challenged Roy Jones for the undisputed title a couple of fights earlier. You know 820 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,320 what, Roy Jones stopped him in round ten because Eric Harting's bicep was torn. 821 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,920 And two things about that one, there were a few of us at 822 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,480 ringside that had Eric Harding, you know, either even or winning the fight 823 00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,960 against Roy Jones at the time of the knockout. And the second thing I 824 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,719 remember, because I also covered that fight in New Orleans, is the morning 825 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,239 after the fight, very very early, was still dark out, as I 826 00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:51,719 recall, and my main man, Tim Smith, who was currently at that 827 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,480 time the writer for the New York Daily News. Now he's the vice president 828 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:58,800 of communications for Hayman Boxing. We were going to the airport and we ran 829 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,480 into Eric Harding in the in the valet area. As we're going to get 830 00:53:01,519 --> 00:53:05,440 the car to go to the airport, and Harding and his guys were coming 831 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,719 in from the hospital and he pulled up his sweatshirt and we saw like his 832 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,760 bicyball curled up in his arm, and I never forget that image. I 833 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,159 mean, his bicy was really nice in the Roy Jones fight, but he 834 00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:15,760 gave you know, he was a top contender. And so that Tarvor fight 835 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,760 on that undercard of the fight we're talking about was Sugar Shane and Vernon. 836 00:53:20,039 --> 00:53:22,320 That was like an important light heavyweight fight back at the time. That was 837 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,880 a big time HBO double hidder Vernon against Shane and the rematch and Eric Carding 838 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:30,039 against Antonio Trvor. I believe in an entitle eliminator on. Everybody put on 839 00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:34,199 a good show and the Magic Man had been an Olympian two at one point, 840 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,880 and the Magic Man scored a knockout that night of Harding and it led 841 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:42,840 eventually to his win after that over Montell Griffin. And that's when he came 842 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,519 in the radio studio with one T. J. Reeves and we talked for 843 00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:49,239 an hour about him being a world champion, being from the area. Um 844 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,639 Tarvor time always love a little love a little nostalgias. Shout out to Antonio 845 00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:57,400 Tory fought when he fought uh Montell Griffin in that fight, I was. 846 00:53:57,519 --> 00:54:00,079 I was ringside for that also at the Foxwood Resort when he when he won, 847 00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:04,039 and that was one of those rare fights, by the way, doesn't 848 00:54:04,039 --> 00:54:07,079 happen a lot. When he beat Montell Griffin in that fight on that night 849 00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,199 in Foxwoods, both vacant titles were at stakes, so he went from being 850 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:15,400 no title twinning the WBC and the IBF vacant light heavyweight belts in the same 851 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,199 night. But what's more notable than that, You know, he got stuck 852 00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,360 on some of these undercards even though they put on good fights. His harding 853 00:54:21,519 --> 00:54:23,960 rematch or his harding fight was on the undercard of the big fight between Jane 854 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:28,880 and Vernon. You mentioned him against Montell Griffin. That was on the undercard 855 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,719 of one of the great fights I'd ever covered period. That was the legendary 856 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:37,119 epic fucking slugfest. Only one f bomb this show so far. James Tony 857 00:54:37,679 --> 00:54:42,559 went in the cruiserweight title against Bacilli Durrovn what some people picked as the twenty 858 00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:46,519 three fight of the year. Spectacular fucking fight, too. There's two and 859 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,800 now I gotta go back on YouTube and see that one as well, along 860 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,880 with the Magic Man. Great nostalgia here on the show Man, we've given 861 00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:58,440 you a bunch again. We've got Cambosis and Maxi Hughes. We will handicap 862 00:54:58,599 --> 00:55:01,480 that fight more the bet US show one Eastern time on Friday, depending on 863 00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:05,239 when you're hearing us here and when you can see that on the bet Us 864 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,400 platforms on Friday live at one Eastern or later in the day again when we 865 00:55:09,559 --> 00:55:15,119 come off the weekend on this podcast feed with the Fight Freaks Unite recap will 866 00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:19,000 recap what happens with the top ranked show, but we will also dan preview 867 00:55:19,559 --> 00:55:24,679 the Fulton in Away fight at length on the show coming late Sunday into Monday. 868 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:30,000 Before that fight Tuesday morning, United States time, Tuesday night in Japan. 869 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,800 Looking forward to all of that and then next week, my friend, 870 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,039 all things being equal, we're in Las Vegas for Spence and Crawford and the 871 00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:42,960 big fight Weeken preview will originate from how about that we're OEL on location. 872 00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:45,079 You've always been on location at a lot of these places, but now both 873 00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:50,239 of us to be OEL on location. Looking forward to that coming up, 874 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,760 but for now, have a good weekend. I will see you on the 875 00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,199 bet US Boxing Show depending on when they're hearing us live one Eastern time on 876 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,679 Friday. We look forward to the action and let's recap it all coming off 877 00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,840 the week right field sounds good, I'll see you on the US shot. 878 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:06,199 If everybody enjoys as I said, the calm before the story, yes, 879 00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,719 no doubt about that, all right. Thank you for finding us again. 880 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:13,800 Follow or subscribe Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Spotify, Big Fight Weekend Podcast 881 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,920 fee. For now we're good. Enjoy the fights for Dan Raphael on TJ 882 00:56:17,079 --> 00:56:20,480 Reeves. 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