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You're listening to kf I demand,
it becomes very easy in times of pain,

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when you're going through a struggle or
some suffering, to bury yourself in

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that pain and suffering and use it
as an excuse to do something wrong.

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There will be pain, there will
be suffering in this life. There will

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be injustices. And as a Christian, you are not immune to suffering.

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And if you think for one moment
that because you believe in God, that

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life's going to be peachy, that's
not the truth. And there are some

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preachers out there that would love to
tell you that everything's going to be okay

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and there's never going to be any
suffering, and that's wrong, or that

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a good godly person who is pushing
sin out of their life won't have pain

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and suffering, and that is wrong
as well. No, as a Christian,

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you are not immune to suffering.
But God calls you to handle it

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in a different way, and that's
what sets you apart. The world will

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tell you to handle it completely different. The world tells you that pain and

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suffering is an excuse to do wrong, a justification for bad behavior, But

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God says differently. First Peter four, verses twelve through nineteen. I'll focus

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on nineteen, but I want you
to hear the context. Dear friends,

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do not be surprised at the painful
trial you are suffering, as though something

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strange were happening to you, But
rejoice that you participate in the sufferings of

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Christ, so that you may be
overjoyed when His glory is revealed. If

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you are insulted because of the name
of Christ, you are blessed, for

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the spirit of glory and of God
rests on you. If you suffer,

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it should not be as a murderer
or a thief, or any other kind

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of criminal, or even somebody who
meddles in other people's affairs. However,

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if you suffer as a Christian,
do not be ashamed, but praise God

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that you bear that name. For
it is time for judgment to begin with

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the family of God. And if
it begins with us, what will the

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outcome be for those who do not
obey the Gospel of God? And if

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it is hard for the righteous to
be saved, what will become of the

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ungodly and the sinner? Listen to
verse nineteen. So then those who suffer

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according to god Odd's will should commit
themselves to the faithful Creator and continue to

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do good. You can't use pain
and suffering as an excuse as justification to

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do wrong. As a believer,
you're called to more than that. You're

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called in the state of suffering one
to recognize God, give glory to God,

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and to continue to do good.
To press on with an attitude of

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grace and kindness through the pain.
It's very easy, even at the slightest

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bit is discomfort. I see people
use it as a justification to do bad

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things or to act poorly towards others. Oh I'm sorry, I'm tired,

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or I'm sick and I'm in pain. You can't use these times of pain

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and suffering as an excuse to do
wrong or even evil. The cause is

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lost at that point. There will
be times where you will be treated poorly

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by others and by circumstances, and
if you use that just as an opportunity,

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just as an excuse to go out
and do wrong, you will lose

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all ground, all authority, all
true justice, and all that will be

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seen is that you that you used
it as an excuse. Now it doesn't

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matter why you are suffering, because
all you did is caused more suffering,

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And how is it better the that
this suffering that you caused in comparison to

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the suffering that was caused to you? How does that balance things out?

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And in a time where it seems
every where you turn someone is looking for

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an excuse or justification for doing wrong, you will be driven to the point

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of anger by other people. You
will be poked and prodded. And it

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is a believer, it could be
multifold because people will look for ways to

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get you riled up. People will
look for ways to make you break down

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and reject your faith, reject what
you believe. And it's not just about

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believing in God. It's about how
that belief manifests in your life. And

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here in First Peter four twelve through
nineteen, it focuses on how you should

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continue to give your life to God
and even have points of pride when you're

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in pain, knowing that you're suffering
for and with Christ. And when I

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suffered, it was for you,
and when you suffer, it will be

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for me. But more than all
of that is that in that time of

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pain, how you hold yourself,
how you conduct yourself as a Christian,

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as a believer, as a human
being, not to use it as an

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opportunity to do evil. You're listening
to k I Am sixty on demand.

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Rich, Welcome to the Jesus Christ
Show. Well, good morning, hi,

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Rich. How can I help you? I was just wondering, are

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you familiar with anthropocentric and the christo
centric viewpoint of Romans three around twenty through

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thirty one is So the battle,
just to keep it at an audience level,

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the battle between those that believe and
through Centric is dealing with that.

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It's about man and the christ Centric
is obviously focused on the Act on the

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Cross. So the dilemma or what
people battle with do you get to heaven

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based on something you do as a
human or do you get to heaven based

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on something Christ did on the cross? Right, Well, it's more a

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little more specific than that. I'm
trying to I'm trying to thin it out

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for the for the group here.
Let's make sure we don't belief or do

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I get through heaven through through Christ
act of belief? Okay, this is

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it's there is nothing added to the
cross. The soul act on the cross,

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the blood on the cross is what
opens the pathway the possibility of salvation.

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The end that salvation is a gift
only. But that gift does have

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to be received. So if you
think that that is some sort of human

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centric aspect to it, I think
that would be a misunderstanding of that.

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But yes, you have to receive
it. But there's nothing you can add

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to the act on the cross to
make it more valuable or less valuable.

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You can't add or subtract. You
can only receive it. So if that

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reception to you is some sort of
work or addition to the cross, that's

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that's up to your interpretation. But
there is nothing that could be added to

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the cross. Edward, Welcome to
the Jesus Christ Show. All right,

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Jesus, how you doing good,
Edward? What's going on? Well,

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Um, I called you about four
years ago and I'm struggling with kind of

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going through life. I've had a
you know a lot of failed relationships,

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marriages and jobs, and um,
I'm raising my daughter. I'm a single

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dad, and you know, I
haven't worked in a while. You know,

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I lost my father last year and
it just I almost feel like like

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a mini job. Um. I
just feel like I kind of got to

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the point where I had some big
hobbies. I've always been a hard worker,

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but I've had some health issues like
a stomach problem and a back problem,

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and I my my favorite hobby a
few months back, I just quit

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doing that and that was like the
last thing that gave me like a lot

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of passionate about in fun. You
quit it because of lack of finances or

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because of physically, I just lost
interest. It seems like each year,

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like a few more where things go
where I've kind of want stopped wanting to

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kind of do them because of my
health mentally or physically or both. Um.

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And it's gotten to the point now
where I really don't even hardly do

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anything. I mean, I do
a lot of stuff, but it's not

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like like I did before, where
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you know, um yard workhouse work
in my hobby and just stayed really busy.

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And it's just kind of like I've
lost like my mojo, you know.

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And I know some of it's my
health. Um. You know,

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you go to the health practitioners,
they you tell them you're depressed or you

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have anxiety or this or that,
and they want to put you on all

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sorts of drugs and and then you
get onto that, you get on that

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train and then it's like like I
didn't even sleep last night and that that

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never I never do that, and
I don't know what. You know,

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there's a couple of reasons. I
thought, well maybe it was this or

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that, but in fact I didn't
sleep and uh you you you you mentioned

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your hobbies or any of them physical? Yeah, the one it was the

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one thing I just always love to
do since I was little with surf,

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and that would that I always had
that and it was something I really loved

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to do. And I just I
don't even do that anymore because I went

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out and did it a few times
recently and it just wasn't any fun.

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And you know, I'm out of
shape, but I don't I don't know

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what's going on. And it's like
you kind of lose you kind of start

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losing hope, Like you know,
I'm not that old, and it's like

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I don't really have a career now
and in the market's not that great I've

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heard from now. Things are tough
all over. Right now they're getting better,

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trust me, but they're tough all
over. But but but Edward,

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I want to point out something that's
that's evident already. If you don't eat,

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what happens well, you get hungry, and you get kind of weak,

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okay, and then finally die.
Yeah, your body is fed in

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many ways. It's fed physically with
nutrients, it's fed spiritually, and it's

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fed intellectually. And people don't see
it that way. And what you're describing

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to me is atrophy. It's the
same thing if you don't move, if

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you don't engage yourself, and you
are probably your your emotional and intellectual metabolism

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was probably probably faster than most.
The fact that you describe many hobbies and

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things and probably needs to be fed
more than most. And each time you

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you cut one of these things out
of your life, or each each time

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you uh, you know, stop
doing something, you start to atrophy,

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you start to break down, and
it's going to work against you. Hold

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on tight, because I want to
talk to you. In just a second.

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You're listening to KF I am sixty
on demand. Edward, you're still

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there. Thanks for holding. You
were talking about how you've lost a little

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bit of a zest for life when
it comes to your hobbies, to things

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you do. You've had some ailments, you've been sick, you've had a

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death. You're a single dad,
right, you're not working, a lot

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of things going against you, and
you're and you're feeling it. And I

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was talking about the the atrophy and
how your body craves a lot of things.

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It creates, craves nutrients, but
it also craves the and has the

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desire to be fed intellectually and spiritually. And it sounds like, one by

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one you've removed certain things from your
life. And I know that our time

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will go by really quickly here,
but I wanted to tell you that you

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need to retrace your steps backwards a
little bit, and you need to bring

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some of these things back into your
life. Interest comes and goes sometimes,

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but you can't trust that all the
time. The body, sometimes when it

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goes through little bouts with change or
frustration, will start to almost punish itself,

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saying that, well, I don't
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don't deserve this right. These types
of interests should go away. And it's

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not fair to you set out say
hey, these are some things that I

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want to do. You have to
have goals. When you don't have half

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twos in your life, the want
twos tend to fall by the wayside as

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well, and you just kind of
stop being a human being. You just

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stop because you think, oh well, I can't do this or I can't

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do that. And it doesn't mean
that expensive hobbies should, you know,

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be more important than saving money or
any of these things. No, but

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spending that time, especially with God's
creation and like you did with surfing or

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or doing things that are active,
and then your body starts to change.

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Like you said, if you're you're
not surfing, you get out of shape

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right now. You're just spiritually and
emotionally out of shape, Edward. That's

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it, And the only way to
get back into it is to do it

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one day to time, the same
way you would if you were working out.

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To put yourself on a program where
you inject certain things back into your

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life a little bit at a time
and work yourself into the ability to do

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them once again and to find you
know, because joy is always around you.

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It's happiness that people seek, strangely
enough, which is just little bits

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of joy because of things that they're
doing. And to do that again you

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have to just kind of reverse the
process, take the time and jump back

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on. Otherwise you're going to continue
to cut out one more little thing and

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one more little thing until it's all
gone and there's no ability. You just

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kind of dig your own hole,
and now you got to climb out of

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that. But it's not bottomless,
and there is a way out all those

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things. You know this, Edward, And you've built yourself up before,

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and I have nothing but the utmost
confidence in you that you will build yourself

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up again. Barry, Welcome to
the Jesus Christ. Show Jesus. Now

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you went to heaven from the tomb
on Easter. Now when did you return

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to earth to show the disciples of
the holes in your hands? In what

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sense? So well they are?
Yeah, I see, you know,

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I always see these pictures of you
know, Jesus standing there with showing his

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hands to the disciples, and there's
holes in his hands and his feet.

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And my sister and I were just
discussing, Oh, where that takes place

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in scripture? Yes, well,
you can go to the Book of John.

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You can go to the Book of
John and in chapter twenty in verse

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twenty six. We'll start with verse
twenty six. It says in after eight

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days again his disciples were inside,
and Thomas with them. Jesus came to

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the doors having been shut, and
stood in their midst, and said,

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piece be with you. Then he
said to Thomas, reach here your finger

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and see my hands, and reach
hear your hand and put it into my

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side, and be not unbelieving,
but believing. And it says Thomas answered

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and said to him, my Lord, my God. Interestingly enough, the

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word there God is actually Jehovah.
Jesus said to him, because you have

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seen me, have you believed?
Blessed are they who did not see and

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yet believed. So that may be
the reference that you're you're looking or thinking

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about. But keep in mind that
artist depictions or artist depictions, right,

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and sometimes they take license. But
yes, there were those that asked,

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and there were those that wanted to
see because days earlier they were looking at

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me hanging on across. Right.
Okay, thank you very much, Jesus,

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you're very very welcome. And also
important in that story is the concept

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of of of blind faith. It's
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punished in any way, shape or
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Thomas is referred to a lot.
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he didn't have faith, And it's
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from reason or understanding at all.
This concept of blind faith is something that

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people have continue to perpetuate, but
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Faith is that which comes after reason. It's that point where you can't reason

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anymore because you can't know. And
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in the real world as well.
In a court of law, you're you're

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doing it beyond the shadow of a
doubt. You don't have the certainty because

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you're dealing with a past, singular
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and you can't really go back or
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you have to forensically take the information
that you do have and put it together

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to understand it better. Now that
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of law, the jury is convicting
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what they're doing. That faith has
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the evidence. The jury has to
look and say, well, this evidence

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points to this. We weren't there, we didn't see it happened, but

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the evidence points to it happening this
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small bit of faith and jump from
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have and the fact that we weren't
there to see it happen and close that

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gap. And that's really what happens
with your faith when it comes to God

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as well. There are things that
you can know. There's a huge book

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that points to the things that you
can know. There's history and things you

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can know there. There's the way
the world works, and there's things in

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the natural world that point to a
supernatural God. And you can use all

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those things to understand and to point
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it's not about being ignorant of the
facts. Blind faith isn't ignoring what's in

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front of you and believing in it
anyways. And so when Thomas was here

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doubting, it's that he wanted proof, He wanted to see, he wanted

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some evidence of what went down and
why, and therefore wanted to put his

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hand into my side and put his
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And that was okay. It's not
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and saying that he was less than
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to come a time where people won't
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they be for having leaning to lean
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just the evidence of man. And
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You're listening to KF I am sixty
on demand. John, Welcome to Jesus,

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Christ Show Jesus. This is a
complicated question. Okay, okay,

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God's people talk to God. God
talks to God's people. And here I

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am on very super boulevard where the
Catholic Church is right next door to the

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Temple, and I'd feel like to
be in on that conversation. So you

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feel how you feel like you don't
have a conversation with God. Well,

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I can have a conversation with God, and the Catholics can have a conversation

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with God, and the Jews can
have a conversation with God. But what

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is God say to the Catholics about
the choose next door and vice versa.

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Well, if you want to if
you get into you know, uh he

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said he said, or they said
they said, Or if you're trying to

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set up like the ultimate cage match
between religions and get them all in and

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say who's you know gonna be the
most truthful? That's a that's part of

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the search for you. If people
get kind of weird when it comes to

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religion because they don't want to say
anybody is wrong. But I'll tell you

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religions, the different religions in this
world are have exclusivity to the things they

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say. That's any truth statement has
exclusivity. If you say, hi,

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I'm John, you can't be not
John. At the same time, if

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you're really John, it's just everything
you say that has truth. This is

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a one dollar bill, well,
then it's not a ten dollar bill.

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So every truth statement has exclusivity to
it. But I'm confused. If I'm

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confused us, it would be on
the point of when God talks to the

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Jewish people on Saturday morning, then
he would talk to But you're assuming that

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God talks to everybody. No,
you're the assumption is that God talks to

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everyone who says that God's talking to
them. My point being that they can

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all be wrong. Okay, if
it doesn't mean because someone has a church

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or a temple or a building with
some symbolism on, it doesn't mean that

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they're talking to God. You can
walk into a grocery store and yell mom,

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and at least fifty percent of the
women will turn around. Does that

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mean that all those women are the
mother of the child calling mom? No,

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So don't assume just because someone says
they're of a religion or a belief,

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that God's talking to them. But
God's talking to someone, and the

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point of your quest on this planet
is to find out who God's talking to.

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How would you explain it to the
children? How would I explain what?

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Well, the kids in they're both
schools, Saint Bernardine's has an awful

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lot of kids in the playyard when
they look through the fence and they see

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Temple Eliyah and the kids playing in
that playyard, how would you explain to

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a ten year old the difference between
the two playyards. How do you explain

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the difference between any truth and that
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So you're trying to make it about
these two belief systems, and I'm

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saying, don't even get into that
game. Make it about what's true and

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what's not true, and how our
kids taught about anything. How do you

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teach a kid that two plus two
equals four and doesn't equalate. Well,

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that's a simple one. Why is
that a simple one? Well, well,

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my belief has always been that if
you can't explain it to a ten

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year old, then it's wrong.
Okay, so quantum mechanics doesn't exist,

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and heavy mathematics doesn't exist, and
a most science doesn't exist. That's not

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fair that you're actually misquoting a very
good quote, which is that if if

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you know something, you should be
able to simplify it, to explain it.

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However, you can't explain everything to
a child. You can't. That's

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why they're children. If a child
could comprehend everything, then you wouldn't need

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an adult to teach them. Well, what would you say if you were

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the pastor and a kid came up
you and says, how come I can't

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go across the fence and play with
the Steinberg kid? What do you Why

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couldn't they While you're making this about
Judaism and Christianity, why couldn't they play?

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The truth is their two separate schools, they have separate rules, and

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you can't just hop the fence of
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I mean, it's not about segregation. It's about that they have particular messages

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they're trying to teach the kids,
just like you know, a kid at

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a grade school. It might be
next to a high school, but they're

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not in the high school. They're
not in the high school curriculum, and

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therefore they wouldn't be in that high
school. I don't know what you're you're

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trying to make a battle between Christianity
and Judaism and and and I know a

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lot of people are hoping for this
kind of universe universalism. But universalism is

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a cop out. It's not There
are truths that you can know. And

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if you can know truths about math
or about science, there are truths that

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you can know about God, and
they either hold or they don't hold.

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Well. The ultimate truth is God
is God, and one side whip in.

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Both sides are worshiping God. Why
should there be offense between them,

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because that God is just a term
like mom. Not every mom is your

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mom, John and not every so
someone can say, hey, your mom's

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picking you up from school and it
not be your mother, and that's a

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lie. So this concept of people
saying that Gosh, if you believe in

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God, then you're okay, No, because who is your God? If

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you tell me if you had a
kid in class in history class talking about

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Martin Luther King Junior, and they
think he's a you know, a four

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foot tall Asian woman with a mohawk
and a limp. They're going to be

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wrong. So it's not about the
name. It's about the substance of the

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name. It's there's more to it
than just that term God and this kind

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of concept that God's above all things
and therefore every religion sees God properly is

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wrong because every religion sees God differently, and those differences means something, and

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they contradict. And if you say
God is you know, if God is

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round, and the next religion says
God is square, and then the next

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person says God is a triangle,
they're different and they're contradictory. So you

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have to find out if God's really
a square, a circle, or a

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triangle. And there's ways to do
that, but just to pontificate about,

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you know, well, how come
and there's disagreements, Well, then you

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know, you break down all the
borders and it's one world and everybody gets

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along and there's one currency and everybody's
happy, and that's that's not the way

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it is. There's borders for a
reason. The best thing is not to

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say, well, I'm wearing this
shirt. I was born with this shirt,

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So this is what I believe.
It's to seek and you shall find.

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That sounds familiar, doesn't it.
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