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Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and
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today and listening watching limb always keep
its watching. And now your hosts Cliff

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Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. Good
morning, Bobo, how you doing?

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Man doing okay doing okay? Good
night Resk, beautiful sunny day. I'm

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looking forward to podcast today. It's
gonna be a fun one. And of

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course afterwards I get a couple hours
off and then tonight. This is kind

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of fun. We know how the
museum does. The NABC does a membership

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videos for our members, right,
Yeah, we do two a month and

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they're always like our field research or
deep dives into pieces of evidence or stuff

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like that. Except for the Halloween
one. We released one in the mid

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part of the month, you know, the fifteenth or whatever approximately, and

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then the last day of the month. And of course the last day of

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this month is Halloween. It's a
big time of year around the Barrackman household.

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As you can imagine, Well,
this is going nuts. That's how

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I talked to you. There's a
bunch of heads. Yeah, there's a

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lot of severed heads going around,
a lot of pumpkins. She figured out

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she can skull pumpkins out of spray
foam, so we got a few dozen

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of those lining around the living room. There's a really big ones. There's

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like a three and a half four
foot tall one taking up a lot of

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space in the living room right now. And then she figured she made some

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sort of like bubbling lava sort of
thing with skulls in it that she found

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a way to back light. Looks
pretty cool. Actually, she's doing great

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stuff and anyway, blah blah blah
blah, but anyway, Yeah, it's

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Halloween season. So the last video
of this month for the n ABC,

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just for fun, we're gonna do
a ghost hunt, you know, and

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like all our ghost hunters and all
that sort of stuff at the Bigfoot Museum,

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because everybody who works at the Bigfoot
Museum except for me, has had

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weird stuff happened there and they're all
convinced that it is haunted. So that's

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gonna be a lot of fun.
So I'm filming that tonight. I've never

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done a ghost hunt before, but
Melissa has. She's actually gotten some pictures

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of some weird things too out there
and her various ghost hunts had it in

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some big prison in Pennsylvania somewhere.
I don't remember where it was. And

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of course we have a lot of
ghost friends, you know that, all

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the people and all those ghost shows
and stuff. We know a lot of

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those folks. So we're gonna kind
of do a ghost hunt. And you

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know, I'm not expecting to get
much, but I'm that kind of curmudgeon

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that wouldn't be expecting to get that
much. But everybody else is all fired

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up about it, and so I'm
looking forward to that tonight. Can I

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do something new? Yeah, it'd
be cool. Have you ever done a

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ghost hunt? Bobs? That one
with Nick Groff on the Queen Mary?

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Oh, that's right. I was
on that one too. I wasn't impressed

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with that one. I hate to
say it. Nick Groff's a good guy,

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but yeah, I wasn't that impressed
with that. When the Pandora's Box

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came through or Pandora Radio, well, yeah, one of those what do

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they call it, is that a
ghost box? Is that what they call

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those ghost box? Yeah? Like
random radio waves coming through and it's like,

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you know, there's no way that
a ghost that died in the eighteen

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hundreds, is gonna say something about
SoundCloud or whatever or whatever it was.

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You know that one didn't ever already
lifted up the microphone like he'd like swipe

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it around across the surface at the
table a little bit and go, and

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everyone be like that's a ghost,
and I was like, dang, this

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is pretty bad. Yeah, it's
like the Victorian era seances or something,

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you know, or they're just pulling
the wool over people. I don't know,

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I don't know. I wasn't impressed
with that particular one. But man,

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ghosts happen. Real ghosts happen.
I mean a lot of people might

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be shocked to hear cliffs say something
like that, but yeah, I've had

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some ghost things happen, and I'd
be more than happy to never have them

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happen again. It was gross,
those hormid places. I mean, I

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know some of those places are hot. And you said, I've ever gotten

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go something like just that one time, But I've gone like with you know,

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growing up, I went to plenty
of haunted houses and haunted places,

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you know, and never had anything
happen. But I just I just never

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really cared that much about their ghosting. It's like, I know they're real,

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I just don't want to mess with
the other like just people that are

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stuck somewhere, like talking about their
soul trapped or whatever whatever it is.

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Or there's some kind of entity you
just met pretending to be there's somebody,

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and so I just don't want to
mention it either way. Yeah, it

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seems like a kind of a dangerous
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maybe they're I don't know, who
knows. Maybe it's just us talking to

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our back of our own head sort
of thing. Who knows what's going on?

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I certainly don't. Well, that's
the theme of today's podcast anyway,

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I think. I mean, if
you haven't caught on yet, listeners,

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we're talking about spooky stuff. But
we're gonna get into the Bigfoot spooky stuff

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in just a few minutes. So
we have a few things I want to

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talk about before we jump into the
regular part of the episode. I heard

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a squatch two nights ago. That
was what I was going to ask next.

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So you were out in the woods. I think your plan was to

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go to Bluff Creek. Tell me
about your trip. I don't know if

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you made it there. I don't
know what the fire situation was. I

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don't know the road situation, what
happened, because that was the first order

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of business I want to talk to
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Yeah, so another with Pod Pizza
is a guess. His cousin in

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law Chris, and we went out
there and, uh, we're just getting

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out for a quick two night trip, you know, three days, two

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nights. We went up to it
said seventeen percent chance of scatter charge with

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the two PM less than tenth of
an inch. It rained for like twenty

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three hours out of twenty four hours
of the next out of the next twenty

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four hours when supposed to be scot
chars, it rained for twenty three of

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those hours. We couldn't go anywhere
in the bluff Cak drainage at all.

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It was all blocked off because of
the fire camp. Even though it was

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it's pretty knockdown. We wanted to
go see what the PG Seit was still

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there, but we were just like, so we said screw it. So

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we just went up up the Salmon
River and we just took a turn off

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of both the Salmon went up in
there and there was a place I knew

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about up kind of high. We
went up there and it's a good spike

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can call down into a couple of
different drainages. But we didn't camp right

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we were the good calling spot was
we had a camp further down and we

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camped out there. We went back
and did some calls and it ended up

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being further than I thought. It
was probably like three miles from camp.

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Four miles from camp at least.
I was like, that's kind of far

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for them. Like two calls and
go back to camp. That's what we

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ended up doing. There had been
about a half hour break in the rain.

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We had a couple of breaks,
like twenty thirty minutes and you know

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in that whole time, and I
went out and did calls during that time

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and then came back and we were
hanging out for probably a couple of hours.

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We went to bed, like twelve
thirty or something like that, and

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those guys were in bed already and
I was I was up getting ready to

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go back in my tent, and
it was you know, there was we

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were under the tree. So there's
these big drops coming down, you know,

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like those big plops like plus the
rain, they got the big drips

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off the all the needles, and
uh, you know, I was cent

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there. There was kind of like
a little there was a there was a

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real light spring, like a real
light drizzle. At that point, it

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wasn't too loud, and I just
said this ooh, like I can't.

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It was like a yell that went
into like almost like a yodl, but

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it didn't yeoldle but like that yeolldo
kind of tone. I was like,

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what the hell was that? And
I was like, cause I was kind

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of hearing it. We were talking. I was like those guys going to

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we'll see guys in the morning whatever, and you know, just kind of

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joking around. I was hearing something
the distance, but I was kind of

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not focused on it. And then
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I was like wait, quiet,
quiet, And then I just hear it

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again and it was a different call. All three were different. I heard

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three. I heard the second one
real clear. The third one I heard

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clear too. They were distant,
but they were they didn't you get that

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thing like that. It's just super
powerful at the point of wherever it was,

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but you didn't. You were kind
of far away, but you could

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tell it was like loud and powerful. This didn't sound like that. It

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sounded like it sounded like it could
have been like human size or something or

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maybe you know, bigger, but
didn't see like one of those giant roaring

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just booming. But it definitely answered, and I was calling back to it.

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I thought I heard something once,
so I couldn't tell what it was

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if it was the same thing.
And then I was like, I better

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shut upcause I did Like that was
like I already done like three or four

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calls at that point, and I
was like, I think I did four,

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and I was like on the fourth
one, I was like, oh,

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I was dumb, my shit shut
up when I was ahead. Then

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we don't know if we don't think
anything came in the camp, because its

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probably picked up like a target ten
or something like that, or you know,

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came out or whatever. And uh, he forgot his kid. His

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kid went to like some music vessel
or something took his sleeping path and didn't

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put it back, So we had
no paths sleeping this like chunky like target

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tent and it just kept pouring and
pouring, and so his tent flooded and

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he was laying on the ground wet. So he sat by the fire for

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the whole night pretty much, so
he didn't he didn't notice anything come in.

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I was I didn't sleep much either
that night after I heard that,

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I was like, I was all
jacked up. But it never came in

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that we know of. Is there
a history of activity in this particular area

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where the thing was? We were
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we're Salmon River by SOM's Bar and
all that. Yeah, but you mentioned

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that you knew this spot that you
headed towards. That is that why you

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went to that spot because of some
stuff that had happened before, or is

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a good camping area or yeah,
yeah, it's her stuff there a couple

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of times, I mean not a
lot. I mean, dude, it

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was a shot in the dark.
Like we I wasn't planning on going there.

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Todd and Doug got those guys we
had on from the Bluff Creek snow

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prints. They were out kind of
that general area three weeks ago, I

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guess now, and they found prints
out there and they got a cast to

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one. So we weren't that exact
spot, but we were out in that

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kind of that vicinity, you know, than like five eight miles. But

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I mean it was just it was
raining the whole night, whole day,

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and I was just like, this
is you know, this isn't it's not

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going to do anything. And then
where I did the calls was the calls

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came from the exact opposite direction,
so I didn't hear us. It wasn't

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responding to my calls. It was
just doing the spontaneous No I did I

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take it back. I did one
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the south back in camp. Then
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don't know how long it was after
that, that's but it was, you

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know, a good twenty minutes or
a half hour later that I heard the

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reply or I don't know if it
was a reply, for it was just

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doing spontaneously. But yeah, I
was like it was so you know,

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I mean I can hear it distinctly
that it was. You know, it

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wasn't very loud, it was distant, but it was still. I got

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super jacked up, and I was
bump because those guys haven't heard anything,

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they haven't had any experiences yet.
Well that's cool. I'm glad you got

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out, man. I'm glad you
got out me too. We ended up

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coming back though, after just one
day because we were so I just PAULI

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was frozen to the bone. I
haven't been out for a night in a

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long time. Unfortunately, I've done
a couple day trips, been nothing overnight.

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I'm going to try to sneak one
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Haven't been in the Bog at all
this this this summer. They'd work in

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other spots, but some of my
Keith and Nico went out there on Thursday

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and for nothing. But then another
friend of mine got him. Alan went

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out there for Friday and Saturday,
and he didn't hear anything, but something

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weird happened. He didn't camp buy
his car he went, so he dropped

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by his car to pick up some
beers or whatever. He was camping with

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the sun. So they got a
six pack whatever they did from the car

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like a right before dusk on Saturday, and went you know, shared it

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or whatever and enjoyed the star and
moonlight and on this stuff and the family

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outing. And then the next morning
they went back to the car. And

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then sometime during the night, even
though it was deadly silent, nothing happened.

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Sometimes during the night somebody something dragged
a big log from down the paved

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road and onto the dirt road where
they were parked, and then through the

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log in the brush about twenty feet
from these guys cars, and it was

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a big, big, big drag
mark. Very weird. I think it

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was a tree about They said it
was about fifteen inches in diameter. Wow,

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very peculiar. And of course it
brings me. It brings to mind

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immediately. You know that that picture
from New Mexico where the thing is carrying

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that big you know that twelve foot
long log. Or we got two reports

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nearby. There was a report over
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side of mounta hood by was it
Sherwood Campground. I think it's called a

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lady saw one two summers ago,
I think carrying a big ass log across

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the road. Then I did another
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a place called a South Harding Road. I believe that lady saw one carrying

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a log as well. So like, what are they doing? What are

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they carrying around logs for? Yeah, when I came back into town,

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I was getting the most texts I've
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there's like a big big foot flop, I usually get, you know,

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like I'll get fifteen text saying or
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Have you seen this? Is this
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this much attention for probably six eight
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the Colorado train video Oh yeah yeah
on my phone in social media's and blown

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up because of that as well.
Everybody's so hopeful to get something good.

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But that wasn't it, man,
That's a hoax. That's that's I think

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pretty clearly a hoax in my opinion. At least you know it was Chewbacca.

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It was just a Chewbacca costume modified
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I don't think so. I don't
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Prutz's friends actually did some digging.
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Jeff Smith, who's one of the
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which is a group of good friends
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been a guest on there, Cliff's
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already aware of this company called Sasquatch
Expedition Campers that was right outside of Silverton

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there, I guess technically in this
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of this company, and he figured
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part of this particular valley or mountain
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really I was like, oh,
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company. And so he went back
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photograph of someone basically in that suit
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had reached out to them and said, oh, hey, you know what's

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up with all this, you know, and someone from the company had messaged

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him back and said something along the
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likes to make appearances around here and
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like laughy emoji. Yeah, because
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a while back that was way blurred
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I was like, well maybe,
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I didn't know which costume it was
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that's a costume. Well, I
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here. Let me look at the
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out there or x or whatever,
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knows. JW. Skinner is this
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and I think it's the same suit, because as I mentioned, you know,

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I put the I think on a
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this is fake blah blah blah,
and he wrote back it is.

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We know the gentleman. They actually
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year, and here's the guy with
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you guys the same picture. I
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cleaned up version of the footage.
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the same the same suit, clearly
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know if it's the RV Place because
the RV actually RV Place put a thing

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on their social media saying it wasn't
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you believe? Yeah, but the
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but he still has the feet of
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wink. It's basically like a winking
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a winking admission. It's either those
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that mask in the picture I sent
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our We'll put it on our members
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clearly matches the face. It's that
suit. It has to be Stay tuned

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for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff
and Bobo. We'll be right back after

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these messages. We're talking about Teddy
Roosevelt today because it's that spooky time of

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year, and so we thought,
well, you know what, one of

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the scariest stories in all Bigfoot is. One of the classics is one is

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the Bauman incident, which was told
by Theodore Roosevelt, now Teddy Roosevelt,

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of course, former presidents and all
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cetera. I think his birthplace actually
is a national park out there in New

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York, and they're actually members of
the North America Bigga Center of my dad.

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Kind of cool or at least the
guy who one of the guys who

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runs it is. So we have
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and the bigfoot connection is a big
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book published. I think it was
an eighteen ninety three if I remember right,

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it might be a year or two
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he published a book called The Wilderness
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his adventures and all that sort of
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back in the day, you know, So he wrote this book. It's

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many hundreds of pages long, but
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end that he basically describes not his
own, but someone else's very frightening sasquatch

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encounter. Now sasquatch, that word
didn't exist. The word bigfoot then,

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it certainly didn't exist. That came
much later, but certainly sasquatches themselves did

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exist. They're perfectly normal animals.
They've always been around here. And so

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basically Theodore Roosevelt ran into some dude
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So we thought we'd do today in
case you've never heard it, This story

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is written in like I said,
eighteen ninety two, eighteen ninety three was

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published then, so it is well
in public domain at this point, there's

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no knowledge of this being in any
copyright or anything like that. So we

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thought we'd take this opportunity to read
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today and then with our comments.
Yeah, because Ivan Sanderson put that in

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the epic book Balminle Stoemn Legend comes
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That's when that got introduced into the
world of the Bigfoot people. So it's

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been a legendary story, like one
of the classics of Bigfoot literature. Yeah,

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and of course Teddy Roosevelt having his
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certain level of credence and importance.
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episode today to read you that excerpt
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Bauman story is contained, and we'll
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because a lot of what he wrote
about has later come to light as perfectly

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normal Sasquatch behavior. This story resonates
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but perhaps in a different way.
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a goblin or hobgoblin story, I
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ghosty sort of scary story told by
some old grizzled woodsman. But now when

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we look at it through the lens
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it's like, oh yeah, yeah, they ran into a sasquad.

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It's perfectly clear. So yeah,
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for our listeners, in celebration of
Halloween and Teddy Roosevelts and Bowman and everything

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spooky that goes in Bigfoot, because
a lot of people do enjoy the Bigfoot

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subject just because it's kind of spooky. So you ready, Bob, should

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we jump in hit it? Maestro? All right, here we go.

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This is directly from Teddy Roosevelt's Wilderness
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story. It was told to me
by a grizzled, weather beaten old mountain

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hunter named Bowman, who was born
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the frontier. He must have believed
what he said, for he could hardly

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repress a shudder at certain points of
the tales. When the event occurred,

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Bowman was still a young man and
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dividing the forks of the Salmon from
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Not having had much luck, he
and his partner determined to go up into

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a particularly wild and lonely pass,
through which ran a small stream said to

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contain many beaver. The pass had
an evil reputation because the year before a

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solitary hunter who had wandered into it
was their slain, seemingly by a wild

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beast, the half eaten remains being
afterwards found by some mining prospectors who had

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passed his camp only the night before. The Memory of this event, however,

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weighed very lightly with the two trappers, who were as adventurous and hardy

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as others of their kind. They
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gloomy forest, and in about four
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they concluded to camp, as signs
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an hour or two of daylight left, and after building a brush lean to

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and throwing down and opening their packs, they started upstream. At dusk they

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again reached camp. They were surprised
to find that during their absence, something

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apparently a bear, had visited camp
and had rummaged about among their things,

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scattering the contents of their packs and
in sheer wantonness, destroying their lean to.

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The footprints of the beast were quite
plain, but at first they paid

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no particular heed to them, busying
themselves with rebuilding the lean to, laying

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out their beds and stores, and
lighting the fire. While Bauman was making

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ready supper, it being already dark, his companion began to examine the tracks

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more closely, and soon took a
brand from the fire to follow them up

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where the intruder had walked along a
game trail after leaving the camp. Coming

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back to the fire, he stood
by it a minute or two, peering

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out into the darkness, and suddenly
remarked Bauman that bear has been walking on

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two legs. Bauman laughed at this, but his partner insisted that he was

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right, and upon again examining the
tracks with the torch, they certainly did

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seem to be made by but two
paws, or however, it was too

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dark to make sure. After discussing
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a human being, and coming to
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the two men rolled up their blankets
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At midnight, Bauman was awakened by
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his blankets. As he did so, his nostrils were struck by a strong

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wild beast odor, and he caught
the loom of a great body in the

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darkness at the mouth of the lean
to. Grasping his rifle, he fired

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at the vague, threatening shadow,
but must have missed, for immediately afterward

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he heard the smashing of the underwood
as the thing, whatever it was,

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rushed off into the impenetrable blackness of
the forest. And the night after this

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the two men slept but little,
sitting up by the rekindled fire, but

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they heard nothing more. In the
morning, they started out to look at

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a few traps that they had set
the previous evening and put out new ones.

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By an unspoken agreement, they kept
together all day and returned to camp

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towards evening. On nearing it,
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the lean to had been again torn
down. The visitor of the preceding day

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had returned, and in wanton malice, had tossed about their campkit and bedding,

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and destroyed the shanty. The ground
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and on leaving the camp it had
gone along the soft earth by the brook,

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where the footprints were as plain as
if on snow, and after a

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careful scrutiny of the trail, it
certainly did seem as if whatever the thing

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was, it had walked off on
but two legs. The men, thoroughly

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uneasy, gathered a great heap of
dead logs and kept up a roaring fire

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throughout the night, one or the
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About midnight, the thing came down
through the forest opposite across the brook

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and stayed there on the hillside for
nearly an hour. They could hear the

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branches crackle as it moved about,
and several times it uttered a harsh,

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grating, long drawn moan, a
particularly sinister sound. Yet it did not

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venture near the fire. Well,
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don't know what does. Man,
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when I hear him say that?
Well, they specifically said moan, harsh,

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grating, long drawn moan. That
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how or something to that effect.
Anyway, I mean, how many stories

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have you heard of people getting freaked
out around the fire and having to listen

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to these things yell at them and
stuff. It's like yeah. In the

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morning, the two trappers, after
discussing the strange events of the last thirty

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six hours, decided that they would
shoulder their packs and leave the valley that

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afternoon. All the morning they kept
together, picking up trap after trap,

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each one empty. On first leaving
camp, they had the disagreeable sensation of

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being followed in the dense spruce thickets. They occasionally heard a branch snap after

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they had passed, and now and
then there were slight rustling noises among the

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small pines to one side of them. Again, very very typical Sasquatch behavior,

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pulling these things around. You know, these people came into the Sasquatch's

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territory. The Sasquatch is clearly just
keeping an eye on them, following them

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about and right in their traps.
When we talked about one kid when we

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were down in the south, his
trapline kept fitting rated like they would pull

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all the animals out. Then he
finally found the big footprints there. Yeah,

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he saw the thing while he's doing
a great footprint tracks, by the

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way, And also didn't that happened
at that place where ken Walker heard from

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that trapper dude, that's the same
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hear it. We've heard it like
dozens of times. Yeah, at least

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I have sure. At noon,
they were back within a couple of miles

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of camp in the high, bright
sunlight. Their fears seemed absurd to the

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two armed men, accustomed as they
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the wilderness to face every kind of
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There were still three beaver traps to
collect from a little pond in a

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wide ravine nearby. Bauman volunteered to
gather these and bring him in while his

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companion went ahead to camp and made
ready the packs. On reaching the pond,

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Bauman found three beavers in the traps, one of which had been pulled

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loose and carried into a beaver house. He took several hours in securing and

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preparing the beaver, and when he
started homeward, he marked with some uneasiness

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how low the sun was getting.
At last he came to the edge of

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a little glade where the camp lay, and he shouted as he approached it,

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but got no answer. The campfire
had gone out, though the thin

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00:25:40.359 --> 00:25:45.839
blue smoke was still curling upwards.
Near it lay the packs wrapped and arranged.

407
00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:49.000
At first, Bauman could see nobody, nor did he receive an answer

408
00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:53.359
to his call. Stepping forward,
he again shouted, but as he did

409
00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:59.279
so, his eye fell on the
body of his friend, stretched beside the

410
00:25:59.319 --> 00:26:03.559
trunk of a gri rate fallen spruce. Rushing toward it, the horrified trapper

411
00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:07.640
found that the body was still warm, but that the neck was broken,

412
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:12.799
while there were four great fang marks
in the throat. Well, that doesn't

413
00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:17.319
jive very well at the Sasquader.
That's the one thing that throws me off

414
00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:19.119
on the whole story. We'll get
back to that in a minute after we're

415
00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:23.839
done here. The footprints of the
unknown beast creature, printed deep in the

416
00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:29.279
soft soil, told the whole story. The unfortunate man, having finished his

417
00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:33.039
packing, had sat down on the
spruce log, with his face to the

418
00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:37.079
fire and his back to the dense
woods, to wait for his companion.

419
00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:42.119
It had not eaten the body,
but apparently had romped and gamboled round it

420
00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:48.680
in uncouth, ferocious glee, occasionally
rolling over it and over it, and

421
00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:53.079
had then fled back into the soundless
depths of the forest. Bauman, utterly

422
00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:59.000
unnerved and believing that the creature with
which he had the deal was some something

423
00:26:59.039 --> 00:27:03.400
either half human or half devil,
with some great goblin beast, abandon everything

424
00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:08.640
but his rifle and struck off at
speed down the pass, not halting until

425
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:14.720
he reached the beaver meadows, where
the hobbled ponies were still grazing. Mounting,

426
00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:18.519
he rode onward through the night until
far beyond the reach of pursuit.

427
00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:25.400
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond
with Cliff and Bobo will be right back

428
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:33.319
after these messages. All right,
So let's take a closer look at the

429
00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:37.720
story here to kind of maybe not
line by line, but things that grab

430
00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:40.960
my attention. And the first thing
that grabs my attention is the opening line.

431
00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:44.799
Frontiersmen are not, as a rule, apt to be very superstitious.

432
00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:48.920
I disagree, and I understand his
argument against it, but I disagree completely

433
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:53.200
with that one. I think that
frontiersmen or woodsmen and all that sort of,

434
00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:56.680
you know, these are like sailors. Yeah, they do tend to

435
00:27:56.680 --> 00:27:59.599
be rather superstitious in a lot of
ways. I think. Well, in

436
00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:03.160
the same breath, figuratively speaking,
Roosevelt says, well, because of his

437
00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:07.200
German ancestry. He was, no
doubt, you know, raised in an

438
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:11.039
environment that was replete with superstitious stories, you know, goblin stories and specters

439
00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:15.480
and things like that. So those
two statements are immediately at odds. That

440
00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:18.920
doesn't change the story at all.
That's just, of course Roosevelt's two cents,

441
00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:22.640
and maybe Roosevelt's two cents are only
worth one. No, it's Roosevelt's

442
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:26.640
three cents right right, So let's
see what the next thing I want to

443
00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:30.319
talk about here, Well, let's
talk about the setting, because obviously that's

444
00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:33.480
the heart of Sasquatch territory for the
Inner Mountain West. I mean, there's

445
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:37.880
still contemporary reports that come out of
that region to this day. Yeah,

446
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:40.559
and it's still a very very wild
area. This particular area is one of

447
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:45.119
the only inland temperate rainforests in the
world. In fact, get this spot

448
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:49.000
kind of basically the panhandle of Idaho
more or less gets almost as much rain

449
00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:53.160
as the coast of Washington does.
It's beautiful. I saw a camp there

450
00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:57.160
with Flippany when we were filming Finding
big footstells out for four nights without the

451
00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:00.880
crew and we were in the bitter
in that area, and man, I

452
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:06.440
couldn't believe it. We were these
lush it was a rainforest, and because

453
00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:07.599
you know, it's all desert down
below there, like going to get down

454
00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:11.079
out too far gets pretty, you
know, high desert. And I was

455
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:14.920
like, my god, there was
there was springs there where, there was

456
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:19.720
ferns galore, and roadies, redinderans, and but just the amount of giant

457
00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:22.839
ferns blew my mind. And this
was just water bowing on the ground all

458
00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:26.119
over the place, very very wet
area. You know. Later on in

459
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:30.720
this story, Roosevelt does does what
very what kind of a lot of skeptics

460
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:33.319
to do nowadays, they kind of
try to write it off, somehow,

461
00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:38.880
write off somebody's perfectly normal observation.
Is something much more mundane when he says

462
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:42.640
that it may be that, when
overcome by the horror of the fate that

463
00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:47.799
befell his friend, and when oppressed
by the awful dread of the unknown,

464
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:51.680
he grew to a tribute, both
at the time and still more in remembrance,

465
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.519
weird and elfin traits to what was
merely some abnormally wicked and cunning wild

466
00:29:56.599 --> 00:30:00.240
beast. But whether this is so
or not, no man can say,

467
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:03.640
so, Yeah, he's trying to
like discredit those like, I mean,

468
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:07.319
he might have just been scared,
might have been remembering. It's more an

469
00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:11.200
exaggerated fashion than what actually happened.
So yeah, so he was trying to

470
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:15.559
he was a logical guy. Yeah, I suppose so. And of course,

471
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:19.119
you know, another interesting thing about
this story is that this particular pass

472
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:25.839
had that reputation because somebody else had
died there before torn apart. Torn apart.

473
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:29.720
Yeah, and a lot of these
Sasquatch places even today, have sort

474
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:33.480
of ill reputations where so and so
was murdered there or is haunted, or

475
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:37.680
they're the devil rooms there, or
nobody goes in there because nobody comes out,

476
00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:41.680
you know, that kind of stuff. And so even back then places

477
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:47.400
had scary, scary reputations, and
a lot of times those scary reputations only

478
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:51.000
because it had a couple of resident
Sasquatches within. So, I don't know,

479
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:53.599
I think that's kind of interesting.
I think it's worth pointing out that

480
00:30:53.759 --> 00:31:00.240
the setting as described is very consistent
with the setting as described by not only

481
00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:03.680
witnesses who claim to have seen Sasquatches
in the act of ambushing prey like deer

482
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:07.640
or elk, or even wild hogs
in other parts of the country, but

483
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:11.200
also the sort of setting where people
very often experience intimidation displays, and that

484
00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:17.359
being a small open clearing with steep
slopes that are heavily forested on either side

485
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:19.839
and usually bisected by some kind of
stream or creek. And so that's what

486
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:23.480
he describes, that they found themselves
in a small open glade, you know,

487
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:27.640
an open beaver meadow, the rocky, timber clad ground being from there

488
00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:33.319
onward impracticable for horses, meaning it's
steep. So there's you know, steep

489
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:37.799
forested slopes on the sides of this
small open glade or open meadow, and

490
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:41.480
that they're you know, being this
creek, he describes it. The glade

491
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:44.519
in which it was pitched was not
many yards wide, the tall, close

492
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:48.160
set pines and firs rising around it
like a wall. On one side was

493
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:52.920
a little stream, beyond which rose
the steep mountains covered with unbroken growth of

494
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:57.079
evergreen forest. And I actually have
a list of reports of people experiencing intimidation

495
00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:00.720
displays, and you read time and
time and time again. You know,

496
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:04.680
we found ourselves in a small open
clearing, you know, basically in a

497
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:07.599
bowl where there's high ground on all
sides, heavily forested, sort of like

498
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:12.440
if you can imagine being in an
amphitheater and you're on stage and you know

499
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:15.079
the seating around you, you know, there's there's no bad seat in the

500
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:17.599
house, so to speak, and
so something like that. If they are

501
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:22.720
ambush hunters or ambush predators using terrain
to their advantage choke points, bottlenecks,

502
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:27.599
et cetera, but also maintaining cover
on high ground where they can see animals

503
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:30.039
that are foraging in an open area
so they can observe them from a distance

504
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:35.240
versus in a dense forest. All
of that jives perfectly in this story.

505
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:37.559
Yeah, they do seem like those
big bowl shape areas and they stay up

506
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:42.079
on the side and watch things wander
through. I think of a lot of

507
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:45.079
different locations that fit that description that
I've run into sasquatches, including that one

508
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:50.160
visual that I've had through thermal imager
in North Carolina that was a big bowl

509
00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:52.440
shape place that was very very quiet, kind of interesting in that same way.

510
00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:58.559
You know, another thing that I've
found repeatedly in these intimidation encounters is

511
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:04.079
the humans engage or conducting themselves in
such a way that would lead an observing

512
00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:07.720
animal to think that they're not going
anywhere, you know, through hikers tend

513
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.319
to, you know, just constantly
be on the move, and so if

514
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:13.880
you're bothered by human presence, well
you just wait a few minutes and the

515
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:16.839
human's gone. But it's a different
matter altogether when people sit down and take

516
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:21.000
off their packs. You know,
the Meldrim's got that story from the Six

517
00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:23.400
Rivers expedition where they had stopped on
the trail and taken off their packs to

518
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:28.440
eat lunch and started having rocks lobbed
at them from the forest. And so

519
00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:30.799
you see that in certain encounters where
people stop and camp for the night,

520
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:36.160
whether they're pitching a tent or hanging
a hammock. But this story really caused

521
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:40.079
me to look into other accounts where
people had constructed shelters, and those seem

522
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:44.960
to be even more intense intimidation displays, because what would send a message more

523
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:49.559
like hey, this is my home
now than building a shelter in the environment,

524
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:52.200
you know, erecting some sort of
like semi permanent structure. And so

525
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:58.559
that element of this story you see
echoed to this day in intimidation reports about

526
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:04.240
you know, people setting up semi
permanent structures in Sasquatch habitat and then being

527
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:07.200
encouraged to leave of their own volition. Well, I will say that if

528
00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:09.320
somebody was walking down the road where
I live, it's a private road,

529
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:13.679
I would ask them, hey,
who are you visiting? That sort of

530
00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:16.039
thing. But if somebody came and
pitched a tent, I would definitely throw

531
00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:20.679
rocks at it. Yeah. I
imagine if they came and built a little

532
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:22.480
house, Yeah, I would be
throwing rocks all the way. Just go

533
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:25.159
go, get the tractor and run
it over pretty good. You would engage

534
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:30.440
in wanton destructiveness absolutely of their lean
to, Yeah, absolutely, especially if

535
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:35.559
those like TV structures and something make
our boundary markers for Sasquatch. What more

536
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:37.400
could you be doing to piss them
off? And putting up a lean to?

537
00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:43.920
Yeah, something they might actually understand
a little bit. So, yeah,

538
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:46.719
this is mine. That might be
getting more troll than the gunfire.

539
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:52.079
But once again we see that there's
no violence until the gun shot right and

540
00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:55.199
the Ape Canyon that that happened,
the bowman in city, and whenever there's

541
00:34:55.199 --> 00:35:00.519
some sort of fatality or real scary
sort of damage or violence. It almost

542
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:05.480
always is set up by a gunshot
earlier. Just it goes to show man,

543
00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:07.119
I wouldn't be one. I wouldn't
want to be one of these people

544
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:08.280
hunting one. I'll tell you that. How scary would that be? The

545
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:12.360
Actually I hit it, it ran
away, and now I've got to be

546
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:15.280
here for the next eight hours.
Oh man, horrifying. See that's the

547
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:19.480
horror movie that needs to be made, for sure. I like that.

548
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.119
I like that line though, when
it was Bauman that bear has been walking

549
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:25.119
on two legs. Yeah, and
it's like, what, I don't know

550
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:28.719
you have? Bauman laughed at this. That's the next line in the story

551
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:31.559
right there. But yeah, yeah, it did seem to be made,

552
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:37.280
but didn't made by two paws or
feet. I don't think that line would

553
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:39.639
be in there. And if they
looked like bear tracks, no, this

554
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:45.760
thing just screams bigfoot. Yeah.
Then they a few lines later after discussing

555
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:49.840
whether the footprints could possibly be that
of a human being, and well,

556
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:52.199
why would that discussion be there if
we're talking about a big brown bear.

557
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:55.199
You know, it just doesn't make
sense. They must have looked a lot

558
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:59.679
more like human prints than a regular
brown bear. Would you know, and

559
00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:02.000
just of brown bear even in that
area today. And then of course he

560
00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:06.719
goes on a few moments later in
the story, he is awakened by some

561
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:12.280
noise and then his nostrils were struck
by a strong wild beast odor. Well

562
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:15.639
there you go. About ten or
fifteen percent of sasquatch reports have that smell

563
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:19.079
associated with it, and it's right
here in the story, right here.

564
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:22.719
Then he saw the loom of a
great body in the darkness. That's a

565
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:27.199
sasquatch, you know, a loom
of a great body unless the bear's standing

566
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:29.760
up. But it must be standing
up because it's walk around on two legs,

567
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:34.840
right yeah, And then of course
he fires at the thing. Oh

568
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:39.760
cost his friend's life. Stay tuned
for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and

569
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:50.760
Bobo will be right back after these
messages. So it comes back the next

570
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:53.760
day because the people haven't left yet. And of course this poor sasquatch is

571
00:36:53.760 --> 00:37:00.360
probably just defending its hunting area.
Of course, these poor people took they

572
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:01.639
should have just left to get the
hint. You know. I'll tell you,

573
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:04.760
like if I was out of one
of these spots that I go to

574
00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:07.440
and something came in and messed up
all my camp while I was out.

575
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:09.800
I don't know if I would stay. Yeah, it's easy to say you

576
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:13.760
would, but it depends like how
violent it is. You know, like

577
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:15.639
if you got heavy things that are
like smashed and thrown up in trees and

578
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:20.360
that sort of stuff, and you
got your yetti cooler like torn in half

579
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:23.440
and like really violent stuff, like
I'd be a lot more intimidate than just

580
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:29.079
like stuff you know, messed up, but really like violently ripped apart and

581
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:32.519
chucked and snapped. That'd be a
whole another level. So the next night

582
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:36.079
they're scared, right, so they
get a bunch of They get a bunch

583
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:38.360
of firewood and keep the fire blazing
all night long. And the thing comes

584
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:43.639
back after midnight at some point,
and it's on the opposite that sounds probably

585
00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:45.280
just the opposite of the brook.
So there you have the castle and moat

586
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:50.119
thing where the sasquatches keep some sort
of barrier between you and it all the

587
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:52.159
time. And it stayed on the
hillside for about an hour, they say,

588
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:55.199
and they can hear the branches crackle
as it goes back and forth,

589
00:37:55.320 --> 00:38:00.719
and then it starts saying the long, sinister moan rating long drawn out moan.

590
00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:06.400
These guys can't take a hint.
Apparently sasquatches don't speak English, but

591
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:08.960
they're very, very effective communicators.
These guys should have known better. And

592
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:10.920
of course the next morning they said, yeah, let's get the hell out

593
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:15.079
of here, and so they do, or they try to. At least

594
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:15.960
one guy never made it out,
as we know, we just heard the

595
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:20.840
story. But yeah, so they
go out and gather all their traps,

596
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:24.159
and of course what do they have? A sensation of being followed. In

597
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:29.400
fact, he even says a disagreeable
sensation of being followed. So they were

598
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:32.079
scared. I imagine the hair was
raising on the back of that. They

599
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:36.920
felt like they're being watched, the
whole nine, like all those typical copy

600
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:40.800
and paste sort of sasquatch descriptors when
people don't see the sasquatch in the woods,

601
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:44.800
but they know it's there because they
can feel it somehow. Probably some

602
00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:46.800
sort of consequence of info sound in
my opinion, but who knows, who

603
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:50.920
knows what that is? That could
be that thing that you know. It

604
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:53.440
could be that they give off a
pheromone, they're scent, that trigger's off

605
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:58.159
something in our primitive brain from when
we evolved ut to these guys and competed

606
00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:02.280
with them like that that could send
that same sensation of hair up Pilo eruption.

607
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:06.559
Yeah. I like how the men
kind of write it off once once

608
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:08.800
it gets daylight two, because I
see that again and again and again,

609
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:13.239
Like people come in the museum,
like if I saw one I do this

610
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:15.719
say, well, that's all nice
and cute to say, like in the

611
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:19.480
daylight inside of a store, but
when you're out there in the dark alone

612
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:22.440
or with one other person, you
really don't know what you're gonna do.

613
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:24.960
It's it's easy to be a tough
guy when you're in the daylight, you

614
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:30.599
know. I know because I am
one in the daylight, right, Yeah,

615
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:34.800
we all are in the daylight.
Sure. People ask me like,

616
00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:36.559
have you ever been scared, and
said, dude, if you haven't been

617
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:38.519
scared, like you're lying, you
know, mind to yourself or mind to

618
00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:42.320
somebody else, Like it's scary out
there sometimes when they're around. Just trying

619
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:45.400
not to let fear stop you from
doing anything unless it's tremendously stupid. That

620
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:50.960
doesn't stop me. That's just wisdom
stopping you. Yeah, never stopped me

621
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:54.320
before. Okay, so then he
gets back to camp, of course,

622
00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:58.599
and then he doesn't see anybody until
he sees that his friend is already dead.

623
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:01.920
His neck had been broken by the
way, which is a chimpanzees,

624
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:06.840
and right, the necks of their
pary deer are found with broken necks,

625
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:09.079
and elk are found with broken necks, possibly done by sasquatches, So it

626
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:12.920
makes sense that his friend would be
killed that way, right, or it

627
00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:15.920
could be at least so he found
his body. But the thing is like,

628
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:20.039
okay, there's there are fang marks
in the throat, you know,

629
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:22.599
like some sort of beast got it. That doesn't sound very sasquatchy to me,

630
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:27.880
because sasquatches don't tend to have long
protruding canines. They tend to have

631
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:30.559
flat teeth more like human beings in
that sort of way and the other eight

632
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:34.360
species. But they may but those
these big ones. Doctor John Binnernoggel actually

633
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:38.039
pointed this out in one of his
books. Protruding canines might be a sexually

634
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:43.000
dimorphic trait, like these really big
male sasquatches might have these sort of things.

635
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.800
So it's possible, but that doesn't
sound that doesn't ring as true as

636
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:49.679
some of the other stuff does,
and it might have just been added,

637
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:52.760
you know, like pronounced they're more
like pronounced io teeth like kind of small

638
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:58.440
tusk kind of they're not like fangs
like a wolf thang. No. No,

639
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:00.599
And you know, this might have
just been added a little bit to

640
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:02.199
add to the drama of the whole
thing. And after all, he is

641
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:07.559
telling a quote unquote goblin story,
as he said, So yeah, maybe

642
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:09.880
maybe that has something to do with
it. I don't know the part about

643
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:15.559
how it romped and gambooled around it
and the ferocious glee rolling over and over

644
00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:19.119
it. Like there's a lot of
predators that do that, you know,

645
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:22.719
when they kill something, they'll get
all hyped up and thrash it, roll

646
00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:24.880
on it and roll on it.
You know, cane IINs will do that.

647
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:28.960
I think some of the big cats. Now, ma'am, mind you,

648
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:32.440
of course he didn't see the animal
do that. He's reading the sign.

649
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:37.920
It's entirely possible that the sasquatch dragged
the guy all around and beat him,

650
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:39.880
like, you know, beat him
against the ground or something like.

651
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:43.559
You know, for sure, you
could do anything if you're a twelve hundred

652
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:45.920
pound sasquatch and with this little two
hundred pound person, you can just throw

653
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:49.800
him around and beat him against the
ground and do whatever you want to do

654
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:52.519
with him, like like a rag
doll. So he might have been just

655
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:57.599
reading the sign wrong, because how
does he know about the gleefulness of the

656
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:01.760
assailant? You know, that's that's
interpretation, that's not observation. It just

657
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:05.480
means it was like the amount of
exertion put into it, you know what

658
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:07.039
I mean, like it was going
out full force, I thinkus he was

659
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:12.239
implying, right, maybe, yeah, entirely possible. Yeah, And then

660
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:15.000
of course Bauman bailed essentially. And
I guess the last thing of interest in

661
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:20.000
here is like he described the animals
either half human or half devil, some

662
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:22.679
great goblin beast. Well, okay, I can see how any of those

663
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:25.519
words might be attributed to a sasquatch. And certainly, like just by looking

664
00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:30.280
at a few maps of Bigfoot territory, you're going to find things like Devil's

665
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:35.079
Ridge or Devil's Creek, or Devil's
half acre or double this double that.

666
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:38.760
You know, there's even a few
monster references here in Mountain National Forests,

667
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:43.280
like a Ogre Creek down on the
calaw Wash River. Well, how many

668
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:46.559
ogres are out here? You notice
how he left everything behind. I mean

669
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:51.039
how often you've heard that? I
mean I've done that. It was so

670
00:42:51.159 --> 00:42:54.239
freaked out you just grab like whatever. Like he just got his rifle mounted

671
00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:57.960
and wrote off these guys, you
know, like that's a big deal to

672
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:01.559
all your beaver hives behind. You
just spent all this time getting out there,

673
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:07.679
and the sasquatch is so intimidating what
they do that you just fully and

674
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:13.760
abject horror. A good friend of
mine actually abandoned his camp after getting scared

675
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:16.519
out of an area just last year, actually last October. He left everything

676
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:22.000
there, including several thousand dollars of
photography equipment. There's been a couple of

677
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:25.840
times. One time in particular,
very far off trail, kind of near

678
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:30.920
the headwaters of the Chattahoochee River,
we found an abandoned camp. It's just

679
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:34.760
a single tint, but it looked
like two sleeping bags in there, and

680
00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:40.119
camp tools, sterno sort of stove
fuel, you know, a whole host

681
00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:45.280
of supplies just entirely abandoned, and
they all looked very new, So it

682
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:52.559
looked like someone had just up and
vanished leaving hundreds and hundreds of dollars worth

683
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:54.719
of camping gear there. It could
have been someone growing weed out in the

684
00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:59.519
woods and like they heard a helicopter
coming down low, or they heard sheriff's

685
00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:02.559
coming, they just a bolted that
there's a weed garden nearby that you didn't

686
00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:07.280
see. Well, I've been to
this place like many many times, and

687
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:09.320
that's why we were just going back
to a place we had been many times

688
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:13.559
and just found this tent and these
supplies like that. Were like, oh

689
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:16.679
wow, you know, it's something
frightened someone enough to leave and not come

690
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:21.079
back for all this stuff. So
it's entirely possible. It just definitely makes

691
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:23.960
you wonder what could have happened that
would scare someone badly enough to abandon that

692
00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:27.960
much gear and never come back for
it. Because it was there for months,

693
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:30.159
you know. I took other people
to go look at it for months

694
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:32.519
afterwards and it was all still there. There's one of those not far from

695
00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:37.239
where we've been pulling all these footprints
down in an out in Moundhood National Forest.

696
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:39.480
Yeah, like one ridge over but
the same creek bed. There's an

697
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:43.920
abandoned camp right there with a couple
of tents and a couple of sleeping bags

698
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:45.960
and I stumbled upon it and I
said, and God, there're gonna be

699
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:47.880
bodies in these, So I had
to go kick the stuff to make sure

700
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:51.440
there are no bodies in there.
So kind of a bum out when you

701
00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:53.599
have to go explore an abandoned camp
to make sure there're no dead people there.

702
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:59.119
That imagine where we were in Indiana. Down there, so Indiana the

703
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:01.639
uh kind of in the second thing
of the forest, but where we set

704
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:06.639
up that camp with like people sleeping
to lure in the big Foot and look

705
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:09.000
like murdered murdered people in the camp. Oh yeah, Yeah, we put

706
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:14.079
those mannequins and stuff out. We
ran into like a regular hikers on the

707
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:16.599
trail and we're carrying mannequins out into
the woods like a mile off trim.

708
00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:22.239
What what did they think? It's
like, what are these guys up to?

709
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:24.639
Well, then some other people walked
by and actually walked by when they

710
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:29.719
was set up. Remember in the
Yeah, the head was coming off the

711
00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:31.960
one mannequin with the wig leg,
all the strew and stuff like, they

712
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:36.239
were like, like, what's going
on down there? They're pretty tripped out,

713
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:40.280
Like there's all these people laying out
in a camp with like four mannequins,

714
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:44.320
three or four mannequins set up around
a fire, and there's like one

715
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:50.800
guy sitting in the chair next to
them. Oh, man, they have

716
00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:52.039
a good story. I wonder if
that story ever has been told with their

717
00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:58.480
friends, you know, funny stuff. Yeah, well, there you have

718
00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:01.679
it. Man. The Bauman story
probably one of the scariest Bigfoot stories,

719
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:07.159
certainly one of the most famous.
It's considered a classic. You can read

720
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:09.159
the thing in its entirety on Bobby
schortz old website. Bobby, of course

721
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:15.199
has passed away now, but her
website is very rich with information. Bigfoot

722
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:19.760
Encounters dot com is where we read
this one from. Actually fantastic website,

723
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:22.880
great resources. There's some factual things
in here that you should always double check

724
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:27.280
with other books and whatever else,
But for the most part, it's a

725
00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:30.880
great, great resource. It was
my first bigfoot website. It was the

726
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:35.679
first bigfoot website that I bookmarked.
Who went back to repeatedly, Yeah,

727
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:38.000
yeah, yeah, she did a
great job. She did a fantastic job.

728
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:42.239
Have you seen our copy of The
Wilderness Hunter at the museum, Bobs,

729
00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:47.280
No, it's pretty cool. I
got an original pre first edition copy

730
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:52.800
of The Wilderness Hunter. It was
published in eight nineteen or eighteen ninety two

731
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:57.840
or three or something like that.
Yeah, and this particular copy that I

732
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:02.239
got is a pre first edition.
You know how like nowadays, maybe before

733
00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:06.480
a book comes out, you might
get sent a link to the PDF of

734
00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:08.039
a book that you can look at
it. What Back in the day,

735
00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:13.800
they would do a small number of
pre prints that they would give out to

736
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:15.880
journalists so they could review the book
before it came out to get some buzz

737
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:21.119
going. And I somehow managed to
stumble on an original copy of one of

738
00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:24.039
those. So in the museum we
have the book opened and it's under glass,

739
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:27.079
of course, because we don't people
touching it, and you know it's

740
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:30.840
from the early eighteen you know,
eighteen eighty eighteen nineties rather, so we

741
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:34.719
have a pre first edition copy of
the book as well as an analysis of

742
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:37.559
the text itself on display at the
NABC. So it's kind of cool.

743
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:39.679
That's cool, that's really cool.
Yeah, Yeah, they did have some.

744
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:44.840
I went to one of these antique
books websites, you know, we

745
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:49.039
can buy these things. They had
autograph copies too, at those like three

746
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:52.960
thousand dollars, I think, well, now I've got I've got the rest

747
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:55.559
of the museum to build too.
I can't afford that, right, But

748
00:47:55.639 --> 00:47:58.719
yeah, there you have it,
man like one of the one of the

749
00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:02.000
best, you know, goblins sort
of stories out there about sasquatches. And

750
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:06.679
of course there are plenty of other
scary stories as well. Maybe we can

751
00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:08.559
touch on some of those in the
members section here coming up in a few

752
00:48:08.559 --> 00:48:12.920
minutes. But yeah, bigfoot can
be a very very scary thing, especially

753
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:15.760
if you don't know these things are
out there. Knowing that they're real animals

754
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:21.760
takes away some of the fear but
replaces it with some other stuff, because

755
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:23.480
I know, you know, brown
bears are real as well. May scare

756
00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:29.360
the hell out of me, right, but it doesn't scare scare the hell

757
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:30.840
out of me in a sort of
superstitious, spooky sort of way, just

758
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:32.559
like, oh yeah, I don't
want to be eaten by that, because

759
00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:36.199
that's what those do. Well,
I guess that's about it. Then,

760
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:38.400
all right, Well, we hope
you have a very squatchy and spooky Halloween

761
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:42.639
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762
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763
00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:51.119
Yeah, so, thank you very
much, and until next week,

764
00:48:51.280 --> 00:49:00.599
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765
00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:04.039
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766
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769
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