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Man doing okay doing okay? Good night Resk, beautiful sunny day. I'm
looking forward to podcast today. It's gonna be a fun one. And of
course afterwards I get a couple hours off and then tonight. This is kind
of fun. We know how the museum does. The NABC does a membership
videos for our members, right, Yeah, we do two a month and
they're always like our field research or deep dives into pieces of evidence or stuff
like that. Except for the Halloween one. We released one in the mid
part of the month, you know, the fifteenth or whatever approximately, and
then the last day of the month. And of course the last day of
this month is Halloween. It's a big time of year around the Barrackman household.
As you can imagine, Well, this is going nuts. That's how
I talked to you. There's a bunch of heads. Yeah, there's a
lot of severed heads going around, a lot of pumpkins. She figured out
she can skull pumpkins out of spray foam, so we got a few dozen
of those lining around the living room. There's a really big ones. There's
like a three and a half four foot tall one taking up a lot of
space in the living room right now. And then she figured she made some
sort of like bubbling lava sort of thing with skulls in it that she found
a way to back light. Looks pretty cool. Actually, she's doing great
stuff and anyway, blah blah blah blah, but anyway, Yeah, it's
Halloween season. So the last video of this month for the n ABC,
just for fun, we're gonna do a ghost hunt, you know, and
like all our ghost hunters and all that sort of stuff at the Bigfoot Museum,
because everybody who works at the Bigfoot Museum except for me, has had
weird stuff happened there and they're all convinced that it is haunted. So that's
gonna be a lot of fun. So I'm filming that tonight. I've never
done a ghost hunt before, but Melissa has. She's actually gotten some pictures
of some weird things too out there and her various ghost hunts had it in
some big prison in Pennsylvania somewhere. I don't remember where it was. And
of course we have a lot of ghost friends, you know that, all
the people and all those ghost shows and stuff. We know a lot of
those folks. So we're gonna kind of do a ghost hunt. And you
know, I'm not expecting to get much, but I'm that kind of curmudgeon
that wouldn't be expecting to get that much. But everybody else is all fired
up about it, and so I'm looking forward to that tonight. Can I
do something new? Yeah, it'd be cool. Have you ever done a
ghost hunt? Bobs? That one with Nick Groff on the Queen Mary?
Oh, that's right. I was on that one too. I wasn't impressed
with that one. I hate to say it. Nick Groff's a good guy,
but yeah, I wasn't that impressed with that. When the Pandora's Box
came through or Pandora Radio, well, yeah, one of those what do
they call it, is that a ghost box? Is that what they call
those ghost box? Yeah? Like random radio waves coming through and it's like,
you know, there's no way that a ghost that died in the eighteen
hundreds, is gonna say something about SoundCloud or whatever or whatever it was.
You know that one didn't ever already lifted up the microphone like he'd like swipe
it around across the surface at the table a little bit and go, and
everyone be like that's a ghost, and I was like, dang, this
is pretty bad. Yeah, it's like the Victorian era seances or something,
you know, or they're just pulling the wool over people. I don't know,
I don't know. I wasn't impressed with that particular one. But man,
ghosts happen. Real ghosts happen. I mean a lot of people might
be shocked to hear cliffs say something like that, but yeah, I've had
some ghost things happen, and I'd be more than happy to never have them
happen again. It was gross, those hormid places. I mean, I
know some of those places are hot. And you said, I've ever gotten
go something like just that one time, But I've gone like with you know,
growing up, I went to plenty of haunted houses and haunted places,
you know, and never had anything happen. But I just I just never
really cared that much about their ghosting. It's like, I know they're real,
I just don't want to mess with the other like just people that are
stuck somewhere, like talking about their soul trapped or whatever whatever it is.
Or there's some kind of entity you just met pretending to be there's somebody,
and so I just don't want to mention it either way. Yeah, it
seems like a kind of a dangerous thing to do. But then again,
maybe they're I don't know, who knows. Maybe it's just us talking to
our back of our own head sort of thing. Who knows what's going on?
I certainly don't. Well, that's the theme of today's podcast anyway,
I think. I mean, if you haven't caught on yet, listeners,
we're talking about spooky stuff. But we're gonna get into the Bigfoot spooky stuff
in just a few minutes. So we have a few things I want to
talk about before we jump into the regular part of the episode. I heard
a squatch two nights ago. That was what I was going to ask next.
So you were out in the woods. I think your plan was to
go to Bluff Creek. Tell me about your trip. I don't know if
you made it there. I don't know what the fire situation was. I
don't know the road situation, what happened, because that was the first order
of business I want to talk to you about before we jump into the episode.
Yeah, so another with Pod Pizza is a guess. His cousin in
law Chris, and we went out there and, uh, we're just getting
out for a quick two night trip, you know, three days, two
nights. We went up to it said seventeen percent chance of scatter charge with
the two PM less than tenth of an inch. It rained for like twenty
three hours out of twenty four hours of the next out of the next twenty
four hours when supposed to be scot chars, it rained for twenty three of
those hours. We couldn't go anywhere in the bluff Cak drainage at all.
It was all blocked off because of the fire camp. Even though it was
it's pretty knockdown. We wanted to go see what the PG Seit was still
there, but we were just like, so we said screw it. So
we just went up up the Salmon River and we just took a turn off
of both the Salmon went up in there and there was a place I knew
about up kind of high. We went up there and it's a good spike
can call down into a couple of different drainages. But we didn't camp right
we were the good calling spot was we had a camp further down and we
camped out there. We went back and did some calls and it ended up
being further than I thought. It was probably like three miles from camp.
Four miles from camp at least. I was like, that's kind of far
for them. Like two calls and go back to camp. That's what we
ended up doing. There had been about a half hour break in the rain.
We had a couple of breaks, like twenty thirty minutes and you know
in that whole time, and I went out and did calls during that time
and then came back and we were hanging out for probably a couple of hours.
We went to bed, like twelve thirty or something like that, and
those guys were in bed already and I was I was up getting ready to
go back in my tent, and it was you know, there was we
were under the tree. So there's these big drops coming down, you know,
like those big plops like plus the rain, they got the big drips
off the all the needles, and uh, you know, I was cent
there. There was kind of like a little there was a there was a
real light spring, like a real light drizzle. At that point, it
wasn't too loud, and I just said this ooh, like I can't.
It was like a yell that went into like almost like a yodl, but
it didn't yeoldle but like that yeolldo kind of tone. I was like,
what the hell was that? And I was like, cause I was kind
of hearing it. We were talking. I was like those guys going to
we'll see guys in the morning whatever, and you know, just kind of
joking around. I was hearing something the distance, but I was kind of
not focused on it. And then I was like, wait a minute.
I was like wait, quiet, quiet, And then I just hear it
again and it was a different call. All three were different. I heard
three. I heard the second one real clear. The third one I heard
clear too. They were distant, but they were they didn't you get that
thing like that. It's just super powerful at the point of wherever it was,
but you didn't. You were kind of far away, but you could
tell it was like loud and powerful. This didn't sound like that. It
sounded like it sounded like it could have been like human size or something or
maybe you know, bigger, but didn't see like one of those giant roaring
just booming. But it definitely answered, and I was calling back to it.
I thought I heard something once, so I couldn't tell what it was
if it was the same thing. And then I was like, I better
shut upcause I did Like that was like I already done like three or four
calls at that point, and I was like, I think I did four,
and I was like on the fourth one, I was like, oh,
I was dumb, my shit shut up when I was ahead. Then
we don't know if we don't think anything came in the camp, because its
probably picked up like a target ten or something like that, or you know,
came out or whatever. And uh, he forgot his kid. His
kid went to like some music vessel or something took his sleeping path and didn't
put it back, So we had no paths sleeping this like chunky like target
tent and it just kept pouring and pouring, and so his tent flooded and
he was laying on the ground wet. So he sat by the fire for
the whole night pretty much, so he didn't he didn't notice anything come in.
I was I didn't sleep much either that night after I heard that,
I was like, I was all jacked up. But it never came in
that we know of. Is there a history of activity in this particular area
where the thing was? We were like, uh, we're you know,
we're Salmon River by SOM's Bar and all that. Yeah, but you mentioned
that you knew this spot that you headed towards. That is that why you
went to that spot because of some stuff that had happened before, or is
a good camping area or yeah, yeah, it's her stuff there a couple
of times, I mean not a lot. I mean, dude, it
was a shot in the dark. Like we I wasn't planning on going there.
Todd and Doug got those guys we had on from the Bluff Creek snow
prints. They were out kind of that general area three weeks ago, I
guess now, and they found prints out there and they got a cast to
one. So we weren't that exact spot, but we were out in that
kind of that vicinity, you know, than like five eight miles. But
I mean it was just it was raining the whole night, whole day,
and I was just like, this is you know, this isn't it's not
going to do anything. And then where I did the calls was the calls
came from the exact opposite direction, so I didn't hear us. It wasn't
responding to my calls. It was just doing the spontaneous No I did I
take it back. I did one call to the north, one call to
the south back in camp. Then after that, like, uh, I
don't know how long it was after that, that's but it was, you
know, a good twenty minutes or a half hour later that I heard the
reply or I don't know if it was a reply, for it was just
doing spontaneously. But yeah, I was like it was so you know,
I mean I can hear it distinctly that it was. You know, it
wasn't very loud, it was distant, but it was still. I got
super jacked up, and I was bump because those guys haven't heard anything,
they haven't had any experiences yet. Well that's cool. I'm glad you got
out, man. I'm glad you got out me too. We ended up
coming back though, after just one day because we were so I just PAULI
was frozen to the bone. I haven't been out for a night in a
long time. Unfortunately, I've done a couple day trips, been nothing overnight.
I'm going to try to sneak one in at the Bog or something.
Haven't been in the Bog at all this this this summer. They'd work in
other spots, but some of my Keith and Nico went out there on Thursday
and for nothing. But then another friend of mine got him. Alan went
out there for Friday and Saturday, and he didn't hear anything, but something
weird happened. He didn't camp buy his car he went, so he dropped
by his car to pick up some beers or whatever. He was camping with
the sun. So they got a six pack whatever they did from the car
like a right before dusk on Saturday, and went you know, shared it
or whatever and enjoyed the star and moonlight and on this stuff and the family
outing. And then the next morning they went back to the car. And
then sometime during the night, even though it was deadly silent, nothing happened.
Sometimes during the night somebody something dragged a big log from down the paved
road and onto the dirt road where they were parked, and then through the
log in the brush about twenty feet from these guys cars, and it was
a big, big, big drag mark. Very weird. I think it
was a tree about They said it was about fifteen inches in diameter. Wow,
very peculiar. And of course it brings me. It brings to mind
immediately. You know that that picture from New Mexico where the thing is carrying
that big you know that twelve foot long log. Or we got two reports
nearby. There was a report over by on Highway thirty five on the east
side of mounta hood by was it Sherwood Campground. I think it's called a
lady saw one two summers ago, I think carrying a big ass log across
the road. Then I did another report over there by Barton Barton Organ on
a place called a South Harding Road. I believe that lady saw one carrying
a log as well. So like, what are they doing? What are
they carrying around logs for? Yeah, when I came back into town,
I was getting the most texts I've gotten a while. I mean, when
there's like a big big foot flop, I usually get, you know,
like I'll get fifteen text saying or email is saying have you seen this?
Have you seen this? Is this real? And the one I haven't got
this much attention for probably six eight months or maybe a year almost would be
the Colorado train video Oh yeah yeah on my phone in social media's and blown
up because of that as well. Everybody's so hopeful to get something good.
But that wasn't it, man, That's a hoax. That's that's I think
pretty clearly a hoax in my opinion. At least you know it was Chewbacca.
It was just a Chewbacca costume modified a little bit, wasn't it.
I don't think so. I don't think so. See, one of Matt
Prutz's friends actually did some digging. No, a good friend of mine,
Jeff Smith, who's one of the co hosts of the Sasquatch Tracks podcast,
which is a group of good friends of mine, and you know, I've
been a guest on there, Cliff's been a guest on there. Jeff was
already aware of this company called Sasquatch Expedition Campers that was right outside of Silverton
there, I guess technically in this Silverton area, and so he was aware
of this company, and he figured out where the train video, like what
part of this particular valley or mountain side the thing was seen on. And
really I was like, oh, that's some really close proximity to this Camper
company. And so he went back to the Camper Company's website and there's a
photograph of someone basically in that suit overlooking that same valley, and so he
had reached out to them and said, oh, hey, you know what's
up with all this, you know, and someone from the company had messaged
him back and said something along the lines of, oh, yeah, Bigfoot
likes to make appearances around here and especially for the train, with a little
like laughy emoji. Yeah, because I got another video from a train in
a while back that was way blurred that when he couldn't see Jack. But
I was like, well maybe, and then it looks so much like a
I didn't know which costume it was for sure, but I was like,
that's a costume. Well, I think we got the costume is the thing,
And one of my Twitter followers, I'll give the guy a shout out
here. Let me look at the thing again. One of my Twitter folks
out there or x or whatever, these people are calling it nowadays, God
knows. JW. Skinner is this guy's name. He sent me a picture
and I think it's the same suit, because as I mentioned, you know,
I put the I think on a third in Twitter saying that's my opinion,
this is fake blah blah blah, and he wrote back it is.
We know the gentleman. They actually do a bigfoot train a couple times a
year, and here's the guy with the conductor. I just texted both of
you guys the same picture. I also texted you a picture of a slightly
cleaned up version of the footage. And look at the face. It's clearly
the same the same suit, clearly the same suit. Now, I don't
know if it's the RV Place because the RV actually RV Place put a thing
on their social media saying it wasn't us, and you know what, do
you believe? Yeah, but the thing that they posted said it wasn't us,
And there was a pair of clippers shaving off like ostensibly sasquatch hair.
And then the next picture is one of the employees working on the camper,
but he still has the feet of the costume on like it's a it's a
wink. It's basically like a winking admission, or it's easy to interpret as
a winking admission. It's either those guys or this train thing. Because that
that mask in the picture I sent you guys, and we'll put it on
our We'll put it on our members section for the members there. That mask
clearly matches the face. It's that suit. It has to be Stay tuned
for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after
these messages. We're talking about Teddy Roosevelt today because it's that spooky time of
year, and so we thought, well, you know what, one of
the scariest stories in all Bigfoot is. One of the classics is one is
the Bauman incident, which was told by Theodore Roosevelt, now Teddy Roosevelt,
of course, former presidents and all that jazz. He's long gone, et
cetera. I think his birthplace actually is a national park out there in New
York, and they're actually members of the North America Bigga Center of my dad.
Kind of cool or at least the guy who one of the guys who
runs it is. So we have some connections to the Theodore Roosevelt thing,
and the bigfoot connection is a big one in bigfootland. Theodore Roosevelt had a
book published. I think it was an eighteen ninety three if I remember right,
it might be a year or two off. In eighteen ninety three,
he published a book called The Wilderness Hunter, and it's a lengthy book about
his adventures and all that sort of stuff. Because he's a rather prominent outdoorsman
back in the day, you know, So he wrote this book. It's
many hundreds of pages long, but there's a section of it at the very
end that he basically describes not his own, but someone else's very frightening sasquatch
encounter. Now sasquatch, that word didn't exist. The word bigfoot then,
it certainly didn't exist. That came much later, but certainly sasquatches themselves did
exist. They're perfectly normal animals. They've always been around here. And so
basically Theodore Roosevelt ran into some dude named Bawman who told him a story.
So we thought we'd do today in case you've never heard it, This story
is written in like I said, eighteen ninety two, eighteen ninety three was
published then, so it is well in public domain at this point, there's
no knowledge of this being in any copyright or anything like that. So we
thought we'd take this opportunity to read you the story, do a read aloud
today and then with our comments. Yeah, because Ivan Sanderson put that in
the epic book Balminle Stoemn Legend comes to Life back in nineteen sixty one.
That's when that got introduced into the world of the Bigfoot people. So it's
been a legendary story, like one of the classics of Bigfoot literature. Yeah,
and of course Teddy Roosevelt having his name associated with it is it a
certain level of credence and importance. And so we thought it would be fun
episode today to read you that excerpt from Teddy Roosevelt's Wilderness Hunter book where the
Bauman story is contained, and we'll just kind of riff and comment on it
because a lot of what he wrote about has later come to light as perfectly
normal Sasquatch behavior. This story resonates as strongly today as it does back then,
but perhaps in a different way. Back then he described it as like
a goblin or hobgoblin story, I think is what he said, just a
ghosty sort of scary story told by some old grizzled woodsman. But now when
we look at it through the lens of eight behavior and Sasquatch stuff in particular,
it's like, oh yeah, yeah, they ran into a sasquad.
It's perfectly clear. So yeah, we thought that we would do that today
for our listeners, in celebration of Halloween and Teddy Roosevelts and Bowman and everything
spooky that goes in Bigfoot, because a lot of people do enjoy the Bigfoot
subject just because it's kind of spooky. So you ready, Bob, should
we jump in hit it? Maestro? All right, here we go.
This is directly from Teddy Roosevelt's Wilderness Hunter book, and this is the Bowman
story. It was told to me by a grizzled, weather beaten old mountain
hunter named Bowman, who was born and had passed all of his life on
the frontier. He must have believed what he said, for he could hardly
repress a shudder at certain points of the tales. When the event occurred,
Bowman was still a young man and was trapping with a partner among the mountains,
dividing the forks of the Salmon from the head of the Wisdom River.
Not having had much luck, he and his partner determined to go up into
a particularly wild and lonely pass, through which ran a small stream said to
contain many beaver. The pass had an evil reputation because the year before a
solitary hunter who had wandered into it was their slain, seemingly by a wild
beast, the half eaten remains being afterwards found by some mining prospectors who had
passed his camp only the night before. The Memory of this event, however,
weighed very lightly with the two trappers, who were as adventurous and hardy
as others of their kind. They then struck out on foot through the vast,
gloomy forest, and in about four hours reached a little open glade where
they concluded to camp, as signs of game were plenty. There was still
an hour or two of daylight left, and after building a brush lean to
and throwing down and opening their packs, they started upstream. At dusk they
again reached camp. They were surprised to find that during their absence, something
apparently a bear, had visited camp and had rummaged about among their things,
scattering the contents of their packs and in sheer wantonness, destroying their lean to.
The footprints of the beast were quite plain, but at first they paid
no particular heed to them, busying themselves with rebuilding the lean to, laying
out their beds and stores, and lighting the fire. While Bauman was making
ready supper, it being already dark, his companion began to examine the tracks
more closely, and soon took a brand from the fire to follow them up
where the intruder had walked along a game trail after leaving the camp. Coming
back to the fire, he stood by it a minute or two, peering
out into the darkness, and suddenly remarked Bauman that bear has been walking on
two legs. Bauman laughed at this, but his partner insisted that he was
right, and upon again examining the tracks with the torch, they certainly did
seem to be made by but two paws, or however, it was too
dark to make sure. After discussing whether the footprints could possibly be those of
a human being, and coming to the conclusion that they could not be,
the two men rolled up their blankets and went to sleep under the lean to.
At midnight, Bauman was awakened by some noise, and sat up in
his blankets. As he did so, his nostrils were struck by a strong
wild beast odor, and he caught the loom of a great body in the
darkness at the mouth of the lean to. Grasping his rifle, he fired
at the vague, threatening shadow, but must have missed, for immediately afterward
he heard the smashing of the underwood as the thing, whatever it was,
rushed off into the impenetrable blackness of the forest. And the night after this
the two men slept but little, sitting up by the rekindled fire, but
they heard nothing more. In the morning, they started out to look at
a few traps that they had set the previous evening and put out new ones.
By an unspoken agreement, they kept together all day and returned to camp
towards evening. On nearing it, they saw hardly to their astonishment, that
the lean to had been again torn down. The visitor of the preceding day
had returned, and in wanton malice, had tossed about their campkit and bedding,
and destroyed the shanty. The ground was marked up by its tracks,
and on leaving the camp it had gone along the soft earth by the brook,
where the footprints were as plain as if on snow, and after a
careful scrutiny of the trail, it certainly did seem as if whatever the thing
was, it had walked off on but two legs. The men, thoroughly
uneasy, gathered a great heap of dead logs and kept up a roaring fire
throughout the night, one or the other sitting on guard most of the time.
About midnight, the thing came down through the forest opposite across the brook
and stayed there on the hillside for nearly an hour. They could hear the
branches crackle as it moved about, and several times it uttered a harsh,
grating, long drawn moan, a particularly sinister sound. Yet it did not
venture near the fire. Well, that doesn't sound like a Sasquatch. I
don't know what does. Man, Yeah, I'm imagining the Ohio. How
when I hear him say that? Well, they specifically said moan, harsh,
grating, long drawn moan. That to me says a big old Ohio
how or something to that effect. Anyway, I mean, how many stories
have you heard of people getting freaked out around the fire and having to listen
to these things yell at them and stuff. It's like yeah. In the
morning, the two trappers, after discussing the strange events of the last thirty
six hours, decided that they would shoulder their packs and leave the valley that
afternoon. All the morning they kept together, picking up trap after trap,
each one empty. On first leaving camp, they had the disagreeable sensation of
being followed in the dense spruce thickets. They occasionally heard a branch snap after
they had passed, and now and then there were slight rustling noises among the
small pines to one side of them. Again, very very typical Sasquatch behavior,
pulling these things around. You know, these people came into the Sasquatch's
territory. The Sasquatch is clearly just keeping an eye on them, following them
about and right in their traps. When we talked about one kid when we
were down in the south, his trapline kept fitting rated like they would pull
all the animals out. Then he finally found the big footprints there. Yeah,
he saw the thing while he's doing a great footprint tracks, by the
way, And also didn't that happened at that place where ken Walker heard from
that trapper dude, that's the same thing that does happened in there. We
hear it. We've heard it like dozens of times. Yeah, at least
I have sure. At noon, they were back within a couple of miles
of camp in the high, bright sunlight. Their fears seemed absurd to the
two armed men, accustomed as they were through long years of lonely wandering in
the wilderness to face every kind of danger from man, brute, or element.
There were still three beaver traps to collect from a little pond in a
wide ravine nearby. Bauman volunteered to gather these and bring him in while his
companion went ahead to camp and made ready the packs. On reaching the pond,
Bauman found three beavers in the traps, one of which had been pulled
loose and carried into a beaver house. He took several hours in securing and
preparing the beaver, and when he started homeward, he marked with some uneasiness
how low the sun was getting. At last he came to the edge of
a little glade where the camp lay, and he shouted as he approached it,
but got no answer. The campfire had gone out, though the thin
blue smoke was still curling upwards. Near it lay the packs wrapped and arranged.
At first, Bauman could see nobody, nor did he receive an answer
to his call. Stepping forward, he again shouted, but as he did
so, his eye fell on the body of his friend, stretched beside the
trunk of a gri rate fallen spruce. Rushing toward it, the horrified trapper
found that the body was still warm, but that the neck was broken,
while there were four great fang marks in the throat. Well, that doesn't
jive very well at the Sasquader. That's the one thing that throws me off
on the whole story. We'll get back to that in a minute after we're
done here. The footprints of the unknown beast creature, printed deep in the
soft soil, told the whole story. The unfortunate man, having finished his
packing, had sat down on the spruce log, with his face to the
fire and his back to the dense woods, to wait for his companion.
It had not eaten the body, but apparently had romped and gamboled round it
in uncouth, ferocious glee, occasionally rolling over it and over it, and
had then fled back into the soundless depths of the forest. Bauman, utterly
unnerved and believing that the creature with which he had the deal was some something
either half human or half devil, with some great goblin beast, abandon everything
but his rifle and struck off at speed down the pass, not halting until
he reached the beaver meadows, where the hobbled ponies were still grazing. Mounting,
he rode onward through the night until far beyond the reach of pursuit.
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bobo will be right back
after these messages. All right, So let's take a closer look at the
story here to kind of maybe not line by line, but things that grab
my attention. And the first thing that grabs my attention is the opening line.
Frontiersmen are not, as a rule, apt to be very superstitious.
I disagree, and I understand his argument against it, but I disagree completely
with that one. I think that frontiersmen or woodsmen and all that sort of,
you know, these are like sailors. Yeah, they do tend to
be rather superstitious in a lot of ways. I think. Well, in
the same breath, figuratively speaking, Roosevelt says, well, because of his
German ancestry. He was, no doubt, you know, raised in an
environment that was replete with superstitious stories, you know, goblin stories and specters
and things like that. So those two statements are immediately at odds. That
doesn't change the story at all. That's just, of course Roosevelt's two cents,
and maybe Roosevelt's two cents are only worth one. No, it's Roosevelt's
three cents right right, So let's see what the next thing I want to
talk about here, Well, let's talk about the setting, because obviously that's
the heart of Sasquatch territory for the Inner Mountain West. I mean, there's
still contemporary reports that come out of that region to this day. Yeah,
and it's still a very very wild area. This particular area is one of
the only inland temperate rainforests in the world. In fact, get this spot
kind of basically the panhandle of Idaho more or less gets almost as much rain
as the coast of Washington does. It's beautiful. I saw a camp there
with Flippany when we were filming Finding big footstells out for four nights without the
crew and we were in the bitter in that area, and man, I
couldn't believe it. We were these lush it was a rainforest, and because
you know, it's all desert down below there, like going to get down
out too far gets pretty, you know, high desert. And I was
like, my god, there was there was springs there where, there was
ferns galore, and roadies, redinderans, and but just the amount of giant
ferns blew my mind. And this was just water bowing on the ground all
over the place, very very wet area. You know. Later on in
this story, Roosevelt does does what very what kind of a lot of skeptics
to do nowadays, they kind of try to write it off, somehow,
write off somebody's perfectly normal observation. Is something much more mundane when he says
that it may be that, when overcome by the horror of the fate that
befell his friend, and when oppressed by the awful dread of the unknown,
he grew to a tribute, both at the time and still more in remembrance,
weird and elfin traits to what was merely some abnormally wicked and cunning wild
beast. But whether this is so or not, no man can say,
so, Yeah, he's trying to like discredit those like, I mean,
he might have just been scared, might have been remembering. It's more an
exaggerated fashion than what actually happened. So yeah, so he was trying to
he was a logical guy. Yeah, I suppose so. And of course,
you know, another interesting thing about this story is that this particular pass
had that reputation because somebody else had died there before torn apart. Torn apart.
Yeah, and a lot of these Sasquatch places even today, have sort
of ill reputations where so and so was murdered there or is haunted, or
they're the devil rooms there, or nobody goes in there because nobody comes out,
you know, that kind of stuff. And so even back then places
had scary, scary reputations, and a lot of times those scary reputations only
because it had a couple of resident Sasquatches within. So, I don't know,
I think that's kind of interesting. I think it's worth pointing out that
the setting as described is very consistent with the setting as described by not only
witnesses who claim to have seen Sasquatches in the act of ambushing prey like deer
or elk, or even wild hogs in other parts of the country, but
also the sort of setting where people very often experience intimidation displays, and that
being a small open clearing with steep slopes that are heavily forested on either side
and usually bisected by some kind of stream or creek. And so that's what
he describes, that they found themselves in a small open glade, you know,
an open beaver meadow, the rocky, timber clad ground being from there
onward impracticable for horses, meaning it's steep. So there's you know, steep
forested slopes on the sides of this small open glade or open meadow, and
that they're you know, being this creek, he describes it. The glade
in which it was pitched was not many yards wide, the tall, close
set pines and firs rising around it like a wall. On one side was
a little stream, beyond which rose the steep mountains covered with unbroken growth of
evergreen forest. And I actually have a list of reports of people experiencing intimidation
displays, and you read time and time and time again. You know,
we found ourselves in a small open clearing, you know, basically in a
bowl where there's high ground on all sides, heavily forested, sort of like
if you can imagine being in an amphitheater and you're on stage and you know
the seating around you, you know, there's there's no bad seat in the
house, so to speak, and so something like that. If they are
ambush hunters or ambush predators using terrain to their advantage choke points, bottlenecks,
et cetera, but also maintaining cover on high ground where they can see animals
that are foraging in an open area so they can observe them from a distance
versus in a dense forest. All of that jives perfectly in this story.
Yeah, they do seem like those big bowl shape areas and they stay up
on the side and watch things wander through. I think of a lot of
different locations that fit that description that I've run into sasquatches, including that one
visual that I've had through thermal imager in North Carolina that was a big bowl
shape place that was very very quiet, kind of interesting in that same way.
You know, another thing that I've found repeatedly in these intimidation encounters is
the humans engage or conducting themselves in such a way that would lead an observing
animal to think that they're not going anywhere, you know, through hikers tend
to, you know, just constantly be on the move, and so if
you're bothered by human presence, well you just wait a few minutes and the
human's gone. But it's a different matter altogether when people sit down and take
off their packs. You know, the Meldrim's got that story from the Six
Rivers expedition where they had stopped on the trail and taken off their packs to
eat lunch and started having rocks lobbed at them from the forest. And so
you see that in certain encounters where people stop and camp for the night,
whether they're pitching a tent or hanging a hammock. But this story really caused
me to look into other accounts where people had constructed shelters, and those seem
to be even more intense intimidation displays, because what would send a message more
like hey, this is my home now than building a shelter in the environment,
you know, erecting some sort of like semi permanent structure. And so
that element of this story you see echoed to this day in intimidation reports about
you know, people setting up semi permanent structures in Sasquatch habitat and then being
encouraged to leave of their own volition. Well, I will say that if
somebody was walking down the road where I live, it's a private road,
I would ask them, hey, who are you visiting? That sort of
thing. But if somebody came and pitched a tent, I would definitely throw
rocks at it. Yeah. I imagine if they came and built a little
house, Yeah, I would be throwing rocks all the way. Just go
go, get the tractor and run it over pretty good. You would engage
in wanton destructiveness absolutely of their lean to, Yeah, absolutely, especially if
those like TV structures and something make our boundary markers for Sasquatch. What more
could you be doing to piss them off? And putting up a lean to?
Yeah, something they might actually understand a little bit. So, yeah,
this is mine. That might be getting more troll than the gunfire.
But once again we see that there's no violence until the gun shot right and
the Ape Canyon that that happened, the bowman in city, and whenever there's
some sort of fatality or real scary sort of damage or violence. It almost
always is set up by a gunshot earlier. Just it goes to show man,
I wouldn't be one. I wouldn't want to be one of these people
hunting one. I'll tell you that. How scary would that be? The
Actually I hit it, it ran away, and now I've got to be
here for the next eight hours. Oh man, horrifying. See that's the
horror movie that needs to be made, for sure. I like that.
I like that line though, when it was Bauman that bear has been walking
on two legs. Yeah, and it's like, what, I don't know
you have? Bauman laughed at this. That's the next line in the story
right there. But yeah, yeah, it did seem to be made,
but didn't made by two paws or feet. I don't think that line would
be in there. And if they looked like bear tracks, no, this
thing just screams bigfoot. Yeah. Then they a few lines later after discussing
whether the footprints could possibly be that of a human being, and well,
why would that discussion be there if we're talking about a big brown bear.
You know, it just doesn't make sense. They must have looked a lot
more like human prints than a regular brown bear. Would you know, and
just of brown bear even in that area today. And then of course he
goes on a few moments later in the story, he is awakened by some
noise and then his nostrils were struck by a strong wild beast odor. Well
there you go. About ten or fifteen percent of sasquatch reports have that smell
associated with it, and it's right here in the story, right here.
Then he saw the loom of a great body in the darkness. That's a
sasquatch, you know, a loom of a great body unless the bear's standing
up. But it must be standing up because it's walk around on two legs,
right yeah, And then of course he fires at the thing. Oh
cost his friend's life. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bobo will be right back after these messages. So it comes back the next
day because the people haven't left yet. And of course this poor sasquatch is
probably just defending its hunting area. Of course, these poor people took they
should have just left to get the hint. You know. I'll tell you,
like if I was out of one of these spots that I go to
and something came in and messed up all my camp while I was out.
I don't know if I would stay. Yeah, it's easy to say you
would, but it depends like how violent it is. You know, like
if you got heavy things that are like smashed and thrown up in trees and
that sort of stuff, and you got your yetti cooler like torn in half
and like really violent stuff, like I'd be a lot more intimidate than just
like stuff you know, messed up, but really like violently ripped apart and
chucked and snapped. That'd be a whole another level. So the next night
they're scared, right, so they get a bunch of They get a bunch
of firewood and keep the fire blazing all night long. And the thing comes
back after midnight at some point, and it's on the opposite that sounds probably
just the opposite of the brook. So there you have the castle and moat
thing where the sasquatches keep some sort of barrier between you and it all the
time. And it stayed on the hillside for about an hour, they say,
and they can hear the branches crackle as it goes back and forth,
and then it starts saying the long, sinister moan rating long drawn out moan.
These guys can't take a hint. Apparently sasquatches don't speak English, but
they're very, very effective communicators. These guys should have known better. And
of course the next morning they said, yeah, let's get the hell out
of here, and so they do, or they try to. At least
one guy never made it out, as we know, we just heard the
story. But yeah, so they go out and gather all their traps,
and of course what do they have? A sensation of being followed. In
fact, he even says a disagreeable sensation of being followed. So they were
scared. I imagine the hair was raising on the back of that. They
felt like they're being watched, the whole nine, like all those typical copy
and paste sort of sasquatch descriptors when people don't see the sasquatch in the woods,
but they know it's there because they can feel it somehow. Probably some
sort of consequence of info sound in my opinion, but who knows, who
knows what that is? That could be that thing that you know. It
could be that they give off a pheromone, they're scent, that trigger's off
something in our primitive brain from when we evolved ut to these guys and competed
with them like that that could send that same sensation of hair up Pilo eruption.
Yeah. I like how the men kind of write it off once once
it gets daylight two, because I see that again and again and again,
Like people come in the museum, like if I saw one I do this
say, well, that's all nice and cute to say, like in the
daylight inside of a store, but when you're out there in the dark alone
or with one other person, you really don't know what you're gonna do.
It's it's easy to be a tough guy when you're in the daylight, you
know. I know because I am one in the daylight, right, Yeah,
we all are in the daylight. Sure. People ask me like,
have you ever been scared, and said, dude, if you haven't been
scared, like you're lying, you know, mind to yourself or mind to
somebody else, Like it's scary out there sometimes when they're around. Just trying
not to let fear stop you from doing anything unless it's tremendously stupid. That
doesn't stop me. That's just wisdom stopping you. Yeah, never stopped me
before. Okay, so then he gets back to camp, of course,
and then he doesn't see anybody until he sees that his friend is already dead.
His neck had been broken by the way, which is a chimpanzees,
and right, the necks of their pary deer are found with broken necks,
and elk are found with broken necks, possibly done by sasquatches, So it
makes sense that his friend would be killed that way, right, or it
could be at least so he found his body. But the thing is like,
okay, there's there are fang marks in the throat, you know,
like some sort of beast got it. That doesn't sound very sasquatchy to me,
because sasquatches don't tend to have long protruding canines. They tend to have
flat teeth more like human beings in that sort of way and the other eight
species. But they may but those these big ones. Doctor John Binnernoggel actually
pointed this out in one of his books. Protruding canines might be a sexually
dimorphic trait, like these really big male sasquatches might have these sort of things.
So it's possible, but that doesn't sound that doesn't ring as true as
some of the other stuff does, and it might have just been added,
you know, like pronounced they're more like pronounced io teeth like kind of small
tusk kind of they're not like fangs like a wolf thang. No. No,
And you know, this might have just been added a little bit to
add to the drama of the whole thing. And after all, he is
telling a quote unquote goblin story, as he said, So yeah, maybe
maybe that has something to do with it. I don't know the part about
how it romped and gambooled around it and the ferocious glee rolling over and over
it. Like there's a lot of predators that do that, you know,
when they kill something, they'll get all hyped up and thrash it, roll
on it and roll on it. You know, cane IINs will do that.
I think some of the big cats. Now, ma'am, mind you,
of course he didn't see the animal do that. He's reading the sign.
It's entirely possible that the sasquatch dragged the guy all around and beat him,
like, you know, beat him against the ground or something like.
You know, for sure, you could do anything if you're a twelve hundred
pound sasquatch and with this little two hundred pound person, you can just throw
him around and beat him against the ground and do whatever you want to do
with him, like like a rag doll. So he might have been just
reading the sign wrong, because how does he know about the gleefulness of the
assailant? You know, that's that's interpretation, that's not observation. It just
means it was like the amount of exertion put into it, you know what
I mean, like it was going out full force, I thinkus he was
implying, right, maybe, yeah, entirely possible. Yeah, And then
of course Bauman bailed essentially. And I guess the last thing of interest in
here is like he described the animals either half human or half devil, some
great goblin beast. Well, okay, I can see how any of those
words might be attributed to a sasquatch. And certainly, like just by looking
at a few maps of Bigfoot territory, you're going to find things like Devil's
Ridge or Devil's Creek, or Devil's half acre or double this double that.
You know, there's even a few monster references here in Mountain National Forests,
like a Ogre Creek down on the calaw Wash River. Well, how many
ogres are out here? You notice how he left everything behind. I mean
how often you've heard that? I mean I've done that. It was so
freaked out you just grab like whatever. Like he just got his rifle mounted
and wrote off these guys, you know, like that's a big deal to
all your beaver hives behind. You just spent all this time getting out there,
and the sasquatch is so intimidating what they do that you just fully and
abject horror. A good friend of mine actually abandoned his camp after getting scared
out of an area just last year, actually last October. He left everything
there, including several thousand dollars of photography equipment. There's been a couple of
times. One time in particular, very far off trail, kind of near
the headwaters of the Chattahoochee River, we found an abandoned camp. It's just
a single tint, but it looked like two sleeping bags in there, and
camp tools, sterno sort of stove fuel, you know, a whole host
of supplies just entirely abandoned, and they all looked very new, So it
looked like someone had just up and vanished leaving hundreds and hundreds of dollars worth
of camping gear there. It could have been someone growing weed out in the
woods and like they heard a helicopter coming down low, or they heard sheriff's
coming, they just a bolted that there's a weed garden nearby that you didn't
see. Well, I've been to this place like many many times, and
that's why we were just going back to a place we had been many times
and just found this tent and these supplies like that. Were like, oh
wow, you know, it's something frightened someone enough to leave and not come
back for all this stuff. So it's entirely possible. It just definitely makes
you wonder what could have happened that would scare someone badly enough to abandon that
much gear and never come back for it. Because it was there for months,
you know. I took other people to go look at it for months
afterwards and it was all still there. There's one of those not far from
where we've been pulling all these footprints down in an out in Moundhood National Forest.
Yeah, like one ridge over but the same creek bed. There's an
abandoned camp right there with a couple of tents and a couple of sleeping bags
and I stumbled upon it and I said, and God, there're gonna be
bodies in these, So I had to go kick the stuff to make sure
there are no bodies in there. So kind of a bum out when you
have to go explore an abandoned camp to make sure there're no dead people there.
That imagine where we were in Indiana. Down there, so Indiana the
uh kind of in the second thing of the forest, but where we set
up that camp with like people sleeping to lure in the big Foot and look
like murdered murdered people in the camp. Oh yeah, Yeah, we put
those mannequins and stuff out. We ran into like a regular hikers on the
trail and we're carrying mannequins out into the woods like a mile off trim.
What what did they think? It's like, what are these guys up to?
Well, then some other people walked by and actually walked by when they
was set up. Remember in the Yeah, the head was coming off the
one mannequin with the wig leg, all the strew and stuff like, they
were like, like, what's going on down there? They're pretty tripped out,
Like there's all these people laying out in a camp with like four mannequins,
three or four mannequins set up around a fire, and there's like one
guy sitting in the chair next to them. Oh, man, they have
a good story. I wonder if that story ever has been told with their
friends, you know, funny stuff. Yeah, well, there you have
it. Man. The Bauman story probably one of the scariest Bigfoot stories,
certainly one of the most famous. It's considered a classic. You can read
the thing in its entirety on Bobby schortz old website. Bobby, of course
has passed away now, but her website is very rich with information. Bigfoot
Encounters dot com is where we read this one from. Actually fantastic website,
great resources. There's some factual things in here that you should always double check
with other books and whatever else, But for the most part, it's a
great, great resource. It was my first bigfoot website. It was the
first bigfoot website that I bookmarked. Who went back to repeatedly, Yeah,
yeah, yeah, she did a great job. She did a fantastic job.
Have you seen our copy of The Wilderness Hunter at the museum, Bobs,
No, it's pretty cool. I got an original pre first edition copy
of The Wilderness Hunter. It was published in eight nineteen or eighteen ninety two
or three or something like that. Yeah, and this particular copy that I
got is a pre first edition. You know how like nowadays, maybe before
a book comes out, you might get sent a link to the PDF of
a book that you can look at it. What Back in the day,
they would do a small number of pre prints that they would give out to
journalists so they could review the book before it came out to get some buzz
going. And I somehow managed to stumble on an original copy of one of
those. So in the museum we have the book opened and it's under glass,
of course, because we don't people touching it, and you know it's
from the early eighteen you know, eighteen eighty eighteen nineties rather, so we
have a pre first edition copy of the book as well as an analysis of
the text itself on display at the NABC. So it's kind of cool.
That's cool, that's really cool. Yeah, Yeah, they did have some.
I went to one of these antique books websites, you know, we
can buy these things. They had autograph copies too, at those like three
thousand dollars, I think, well, now I've got I've got the rest
of the museum to build too. I can't afford that, right, But
yeah, there you have it, man like one of the one of the
best, you know, goblins sort of stories out there about sasquatches. And
of course there are plenty of other scary stories as well. Maybe we can
touch on some of those in the members section here coming up in a few
minutes. But yeah, bigfoot can be a very very scary thing, especially
if you don't know these things are out there. Knowing that they're real animals
takes away some of the fear but replaces it with some other stuff, because
I know, you know, brown bears are real as well. May scare
the hell out of me, right, but it doesn't scare scare the hell
out of me in a sort of superstitious, spooky sort of way, just
like, oh yeah, I don't want to be eaten by that, because
that's what those do. Well, I guess that's about it. Then,
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