WEBVTT 1 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:45.759 Hello, and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio. I'm your host, Alejandro 2 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:55.079 Rojas, and I am here uh joined by Martin uh techno Willis and no, 3 00:00:55.399 --> 00:00:59.719 yeah, because you know, we're just talking tech and you you always 4 00:00:59.759 --> 00:01:04.879 try to do these fancy high tech things with your show, which unfortunately often 5 00:01:04.959 --> 00:01:12.239 end up in disaster. That is true, the work in progress. Those 6 00:01:12.359 --> 00:01:18.439 that listen to my show, most people put up with it. Well they 7 00:01:18.439 --> 00:01:22.719 should because it's where I'm putting up with. But yeah, and it's funny 8 00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:25.400 because you know, when I join you on Wednesdays, I never know what's 9 00:01:25.400 --> 00:01:26.239 going to happen. I don't know if we're going to be on time. 10 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:30.280 I don't know, you know, what's going to be going on. But 11 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:34.040 of course I always have fun either way. Yeah, yeah, it's always 12 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:38.959 great having you on, whether you appreciate the fun that I'm having or not. 13 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:42.280 I have fun. Oh that's good, glad at your expense. But 14 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:48.159 yeah, so that's and I have a surprise for you. Oh no, 15 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:53.120 okay, speaking of tech, I should say, and this is really fun. 16 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:57.280 And you know a lot of people say, oh, I'm traveling all 17 00:01:57.319 --> 00:02:00.760 the time, or I'm vacationing. A lot of my travel has to do 18 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:07.159 with stories and writing, and I'll probably even be doing more of that because 19 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:09.599 I've you know, I told you about this. I started up this new 20 00:02:09.639 --> 00:02:15.039 website called Modern American Dot News. I mean, it's not completely ready for 21 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:16.599 launch, but people can go there and read a lot of my stuff. 22 00:02:16.840 --> 00:02:21.800 But I'm gonna have some other friends who are writers write on it. A 23 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:23.479 more official launch I'm gonna try to do by the end of the month. 24 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:30.319 Some of the people who wrote for Huffington Posts, like Mark D'Antonio or John 25 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:35.759 Alexander contributed on there once in a while, but they can't anymore, and 26 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:39.319 so they're gonna be posting on my site. So it's gonna be really cool, 27 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:43.400 just kind of a new news site, and it's just for kind of 28 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:46.400 light news, you know, fun stuff like all the space stuff I write 29 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:49.919 about, or I'm gonna write more travel stuff too, because I go to 30 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:57.080 so many places. So next week I'm gonna be at the NAB and the 31 00:02:57.159 --> 00:03:02.319 National Association of Broadcasters Commends, which I believe is the largest conference in Vegas. 32 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:06.680 That or the Porn One. I'm not sure which, and I'm not 33 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:10.080 even kidding. I think those are literally the two biggest you don't hear much. 34 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:14.000 They combine the two, you know what I mean? Yeah, a 35 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:17.439 two for well, yeah, that's not a good idea. Yeah, so 36 00:03:17.479 --> 00:03:27.080 to speak, they combined them because uh the or they don't combine them. 37 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:31.360 You got MAK the NAB you don't hear much of because it's mostly for kind 38 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:38.000 of industry people. It's it's radio and video. And by video, I 39 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:44.000 mean it's like television and you know, streaming and movies. So you have 40 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:49.479 all these audio and video and all the latest tech when it comes to all 41 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:53.319 of that stuff. It's really a majing, amazing kind of production. And 42 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:57.400 they have event production stuff, which of course Karen and I do in the 43 00:03:57.439 --> 00:04:00.439 Congress. You know, we want to go look at Ida for that. 44 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:04.560 So I'll be in Vegas next week speaking of tech, looking at some cool 45 00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:10.960 tech. But yeah, so maybe there's back with some ideas of things for 46 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:16.480 you to use that you can kind of entertain people with. That is amazing. 47 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:20.839 Now. I remember when you went out there a couple of years ago 48 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:25.720 and got the go pro, right, am I right about that? Oh? 49 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:30.720 I don't know that I've ever bought anything there. Often I get ideas 50 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:35.199 and sometimes I'll buy stuff later because I'll look for deals and usually find them 51 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:40.439 on Amazon, but I probably did some go pro footage from there before. 52 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:45.519 Now tell me the new website that you will be launching launching, will that 53 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:51.319 also have audio or video and or not currently? So we do have some 54 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:58.319 ideas to do some podcasts in the future, but not currently. So yeah, 55 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:00.199 you can get the idea if you go, if anybody goes there right 56 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:05.560 now Modern American Dot News. So I'll be talking more about that as time 57 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:08.879 goes on, and some of the cool stuff we'll be doing over there, 58 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:14.560 it will largely not be UFO related, but I'll hopefully have some other cool 59 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:19.160 news about writing opportunities I have also in the near future, so I'll let 60 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:26.199 people know about that exciting stuff ahead. That is, including my guest for 61 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:30.360 the show. I'm waiting, and I know you'll be surprised by this and 62 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:34.279 hopefully jealous. That's my goal, is Samiki jealous because you do that to 63 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:38.439 me sometimes and it's what it's all about. If you had gotten this guy, 64 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:41.600 I would have been jealous, and you know you and I think alike 65 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:46.360 often with guests, so luckily you didn't ask him first. But my guest, 66 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:48.439 let's see if you recognize a name, if you don't recognize the name, 67 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:54.079 you'll recognize who he is, which is the exciting part. His name 68 00:05:54.199 --> 00:06:01.000 is Tyler Rogaway. Do not recognize, But I did some an email before 69 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:03.879 you I try to get him as a guest. Not just kidding. No, 70 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:09.000 I don't know who he is. Now he goes by ty and he 71 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:13.040 is the guy who broke the story for the big story you want to talk 72 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:17.560 about I know right now, which is this this pilot sighting over Arizona and 73 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:23.519 New Mexico. Oh all right, so that's great. Yeah, yeah, 74 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:26.759 this is super exciting for several reasons. First of all, because it's a 75 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:31.360 big story and it's all over the media, so that's exciting. The other 76 00:06:31.480 --> 00:06:36.600 reason is that he is a journalist, and I love speaking with journalists, 77 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:42.879 you know. That's why I created this modern American dot news because me and 78 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:46.480 my journalist friends, you know, love to share stories, and so this 79 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:51.000 gave us a place to do that. And he's an aviation He mostly writes 80 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:56.720 about defense, and you know, we've talked about this before. I think 81 00:06:56.720 --> 00:07:00.639 when we've talked about this story is out was broke by this way website called 82 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:03.519 The Drive and Tyler or Tie as he likes to go, buy rights for 83 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:08.600 this section called the war zone, which is defense. And it's cool. 84 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:13.120 I mean, it's all what skunk Works is up to. Skunk Works, 85 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:17.639 of course, being part of Laheed Martinett developed the SR seventy one and South 86 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:23.519 and they work out of Area fifty one. So he's been writing about all 87 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:29.680 this stuff for a while, and lately he's written about UFOs. Because this 88 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:32.240 is another reason that it's so exciting to talk to him right now. He 89 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:38.519 actually had a story that he wrote before this one that's making the big news. 90 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:44.639 That's an even better UFO siding with more witnesses with radar. This happened 91 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:49.360 over California and Oregon. And we'll talk to him about this, but you 92 00:07:49.399 --> 00:07:53.879 guys have to get yourself familiar with it, because this is an even better 93 00:07:53.959 --> 00:08:00.240 story. So I actually started writing stories about these last week and and I 94 00:08:00.279 --> 00:08:01.360 decided, you know what, I'm going to try to get a hold of 95 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:05.360 this guy. I would just love to talk to him. And luckily he 96 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:09.079 responded quickly and we were able to arrange as quickly. So to me, 97 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:13.360 this is one of my most exciting interviews in quite some time, along with 98 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:18.240 like Alezondo, I love to talk to people in the mainstream get their perspective 99 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:24.759 as to why they don't cover typically cover UFOs and you know, in this 100 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:28.199 case, why they feel more he feels more comfortable doing that and his experience 101 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:35.720 doing that and talking with and working with the government or military people about this 102 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:39.000 topic. And I think everybody's going to find a lot of what he has 103 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:43.360 to say very interesting. Wow, this is one I can all wait to 104 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:48.039 listen to. Actually, m Yeah, you know, this is one of 105 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:54.519 the benefits from Elizondo coming out about the Department of Defense because now more and 106 00:08:54.559 --> 00:09:00.320 more people are professionals are feeling more comfortable talking about, you know, their 107 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:07.440 interest or work in this arena. One of the listeners to my show We're 108 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:11.559 Friends on Facebook and he was starting a UFO show, a podcast. He 109 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:16.559 had it all lined up and he's a tennis coach and at a high school 110 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:20.919 and he has to disclose anything he's doing outside of you know, work, 111 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:26.000 and they said, no way, you can't do it. So I was 112 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:28.360 kind of surprised. I would think that more people would be and he was 113 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:31.960 a high school teacher. He's a high school coach, a tennis coach, 114 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:39.360 That's ridiculous, isn't it. And I, you know, I would think 115 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:41.519 that after the Pentagon, I wrote him. I said, even after the 116 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:46.840 Pentagon, you know, came out and said they had a secret program studying 117 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:50.039 UFOs, I still feel that way. And yes, they don't want anything 118 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:54.799 to do with it. Wow, that's very frustrating. That's that's absolutely ridiculous. 119 00:09:54.960 --> 00:10:01.000 That's too bad for him. Yeah, that's really too bad. I 120 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:09.000 know, shocking, shocking. So let's get into the news and I know 121 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:13.600 part of your news about this very story that Tie is responsible for breaking, 122 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:20.240 which unfortunately a lot of news outlets have not given him credit for yes, 123 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:24.840 breaking this story. Well, I've got this story off of ABC News and 124 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:30.480 they did indeed credit his work, not him in particular, but they did 125 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:35.440 credit the site they sourced it. So, two pilots on different aircraft reported 126 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:41.759 having a close encounter with a mysterious object flying high above the Arizona above Arizona 127 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:48.000 last month, According to the Federal Aviation Administration, the sighting occurred within minutes 128 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:50.600 of each other on the afternoon of February twenty fourth, some forty thousand feet 129 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:58.200 above southern Arizona near New Mexico. Border, and ABC News obtained the audio 130 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:03.440 recording of the conversation between the pilots and the Albuquerque Air Root Traffic Control Center 131 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:09.480 released by the FAA. The recording was first reported by the war Zone. 132 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:16.399 Of course, that's also part of the time time in the drive Bige. 133 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:20.600 Any Yeah, that is and uh so, anyway, I was going to 134 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:24.559 play is it? Is it all right if I play the recording for the 135 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:26.080 people who haven't heard it. Yeah, that's great. I think that's a 136 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:31.240 great idea because during the interview I didn't get to I thought that would be 137 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:33.200 kind of something neat to do. But of course, as it is with 138 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:37.360 great interviews at the time flew, so I didn't get a chance to do 139 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:41.879 that. So I'm glad you're doing this so people can be more familiar with 140 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:45.240 what we'll be talking about. Okay, so it's just under a minute. 141 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:52.200 It's going to go right now above us thirty seconds ago for someone top of 142 00:11:52.240 --> 00:12:03.000 bell negative the UFO. Yeah, American ten ninety five. Let me know 143 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:13.320 if you see anything pass over you here in the next fifteen miles, you 144 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:16.080 know, something passes over American ten ninety five affirmative. We had an aircraft 145 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:18.960 in front of you. That's a thirty seven. I reported something passed over 146 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:22.919 him and we didn't have any targets. So just let me know if you 147 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:28.320 see anything pass over you, Hey's murder ten n five. Yeah, something 148 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:33.519 just passed over find out. I don't know what it was, at least 149 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:37.360 two three thousand feet above us. See I passed out over thought of okay, 150 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:43.799 American ten nightty five. Thank you fuddy. So that's it pretty interesting 151 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:48.120 in that little blurb. Huh. Yeah. This is some new news also 152 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:52.519 that has come about since my interview. I interviewed ty just yesterday. But 153 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:58.360 this is a news story and that one of those pilots that we just heard 154 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:05.879 actually spoke to their local paper. And let's see, this is in Texas, 155 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:09.159 so one of those pilots was from Texas, and here's what he said. 156 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:16.120 He said that Albuquerque Center asked us if we could look and just be 157 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:18.519 on the lookout and see if we see anything. So you heard that where, 158 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:22.519 you know, the Albuquerque Center had said, hey, does anybody see 159 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:26.600 this? So the pilot said he looked, and sure enough, he saw 160 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:31.000 something that was about two to three thousand feet above him. He said it 161 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:35.840 was very bright, but if it wasn't so bright that you couldn't look at 162 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:37.559 it. You know, you almost wanted to look at it to try to 163 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:41.399 figure out what it was. It didn't look like anything like an airplane. 164 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:46.200 You know, most airplanes you're going to see some kind of wing surface, 165 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:50.440 some type of tail. Really, no matter what type of airplane it is, 166 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:54.480 he continued, what is weird about it? Normally, if you have 167 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:58.320 an object and the sun is shining this way, the reflection would be on 168 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:01.519 this side. But this was all the way around. It was so bright 169 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:07.080 that you really couldn't make out what shape it was. He said. He 170 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:11.360 wasn't scared, he was just really fascinated trying to figure out what the heck 171 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:15.759 it was. Wow, that is something else. Yeah, and you also 172 00:14:15.799 --> 00:14:18.279 heard in there some people thinking, you know, they said maybe it's a 173 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:20.799 balloon, and one of the pilots said doubtful. And of course we'll hear 174 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:26.519 your ties experience with uh, this idea of a balloon, but they've they've 175 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:33.759 mostly ruled it out the balloon explanation. So, yeah, this was an 176 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:41.960 an interesting sighting and it's been all over the place CNN, ABC, I 177 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:46.679 assume Fox has had it. But yeah, it's even in the news today. 178 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:50.720 If you go look at UFO, there's there's tons of stories on this 179 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:56.240 sighting. Right, And again, just like you said, I think that 180 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:01.200 there the media is much more app to report on something like this and take 181 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:07.440 it seriously and not play that silly music or whatever it is they usually do, 182 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:11.360 right, right, Yeah, they are taking this one much more seriously, 183 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:16.159 which is great. It really just feels like a turning point where at 184 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:20.960 least for now, you know, there's a little bit of this window to 185 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:26.799 take this stuff seriously. You know what's frustrating, And it's almost like by 186 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:30.519 design, and I don't know what it is. There's another kind of phenomena 187 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:33.720 and I just got to point it out because it is one of the struggles 188 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:39.440 that goes on in this field. It almost seems like many in the UFO 189 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:43.320 field, UFO quote unquote researchers and I'm not going to name names, but 190 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:50.600 they're kind of fighting that this trend for this, you know, taking UFO 191 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:54.919 seriously, you know, tooth and nail, which is unfortunate, and I 192 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:58.639 think they just kind of feel territorial and they don't like it when CNN or 193 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:03.399 Fox News or other are covering this because and so what they do is they 194 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:07.600 kind of double down on the crazy or maybe I shouldn't say crazy, but 195 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:15.559 at least unsubstantiated, more fringe type of ideas. And it's unfortunate because I 196 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:19.519 think that all of this headway that's been made, hopefully these people will feel 197 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:26.679 strongly enough to continue taking this topic seriously. But you know, when people 198 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:37.440 are so fervently attached to some of these real more speculative ideas and they really 199 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:42.200 reach out and push their ideas, you know, again, if they get 200 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:45.480 when they get a lot of attention, then it makes people feel like, 201 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:49.440 wow, you know, this is just there's too much goofiness here. I 202 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:55.799 just don't want my name attached to it. And to god, it's those 203 00:16:55.879 --> 00:17:00.919 people, in my opinion, are doing things for the wrong reasons. You 204 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:04.759 know, they're they're involved in it for the wrong reason obviously if it if 205 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:11.640 it's if they need to somehow fulfill something on their own that they're not getting 206 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:15.839 and causing that, then you know they're not doing it for the right reason. 207 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:19.839 And and it's great. I think you know, a lot of this 208 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:26.920 also is related to this idea of kind of this territorial uh type of issue 209 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:30.640 where people kind of want to have their own information in their own you know, 210 00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:36.359 kind of gather it and keep it to themselves and as opposed to being 211 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:41.319 more cooperative. And I think it's just so cool and so amazing to have 212 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:48.279 all of these great people like elizond or some of the other TTSA people, 213 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:52.119 the people that you know, Tom Delong's working with, and uh, some 214 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:56.559 of these journalists. It's great to have their input and help in looking into 215 00:17:56.599 --> 00:18:00.160 these sorts of things because you know, like like anything, it takes all 216 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:06.119 types. And I know I talked to some of these people, like talking 217 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:08.920 to Ty, you know, I understand his perspective. I've heard his perspective 218 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:15.000 before. And these, in my opinion, are people who would be open 219 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:21.119 to whatever turns out to be, uh, the nature of the phenomena, 220 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:26.200 as long as they have evidence to support that. I would have never guessed, 221 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:30.319 you know a few months ago that you know, certain figures in the 222 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:34.440 news are actually taking this serious and doing such great reporting on it. Yeah, 223 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:41.160 I agree, comes to like Don Lemon and you know, seeing uh 224 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:48.079 Fox actually had some a couple of really good interviews, So yeah, I 225 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:51.960 mean kudos to them. Yeah, I agree. One thing that still needs 226 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:56.039 to happen, and I think this education is still happening, is detaching that 227 00:18:56.039 --> 00:19:03.559 that term aliens from the term uf UFO is unidentified, not necessarily alien. 228 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:07.799 And unfortunately, even I think don Lemon are some of these others, you 229 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:14.720 know, just because these people are saying they're investigating UFOs, they immediately say, 230 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:18.000 why do you think there are aliens? Why do you think aliens are 231 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:19.880 visiting us? And it's like, you know, and we just have to 232 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:22.480 educate them. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that we 233 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:29.160 have, you know, aircraft that is demonstrating characteristics that are demonstrating characteristics that 234 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:33.960 are don't appear to be along the lines of anything that we can do currently, 235 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:40.240 and so we don't know what these are. So I think as more 236 00:19:40.279 --> 00:19:48.480 and more people hear that, So yeah, right, hey, did you 237 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:55.519 did you read it's posted on your website as a link. How Seth Shostak 238 00:19:55.680 --> 00:20:00.720 is it's saying in Newsweek that he's he's debunked the latest video, but he 239 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:03.599 doesn't really in the article, doesn't really say that. It just says that 240 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:07.759 it's not real convincing, That's all he says. But did you see what 241 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:14.400 video that was? No, oh, I never clicked that link. No, 242 00:20:14.519 --> 00:20:18.519 which one is that? So it's a video from this guy, Jason 243 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:29.240 Gleaves and it's on the website UFO only, So it's like, who cares, 244 00:20:29.480 --> 00:20:33.839 you know, it's it's such it's kind of frustrating. So SETI scientist 245 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:40.319 debunk's latest UFO footage. They go online, they choose some random, crappy 246 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:45.200 UFO video from YouTube, because of course YouTube is full of these videos that 247 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:49.759 show up every day, and Sesshostak debunks it big deal. We do that 248 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:53.640 every day on our shows, you know, for better or worse, because 249 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:59.039 there's so many bad videos out there. So it's kind of frustrating because it 250 00:20:59.119 --> 00:21:03.000 is big. Yeah, exactly why would they do that? Now, if 251 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:06.880 he had something to add to some of these videos that are coming from the 252 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:11.319 Department of Defense, that would be you know, then we would have something 253 00:21:11.359 --> 00:21:17.319 to argue about and something actually worth writing about. But say that's I'll pardon 254 00:21:17.319 --> 00:21:22.519 me, I'm gonna say that's clickbait. Yeah, in stream major magazine. 255 00:21:23.039 --> 00:21:29.559 Yeah, because it's really an effort and futility. It adds nothing to nothing. 256 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:36.119 Okay, So people post really bad UFO videos on YouTube we knew that 257 00:21:36.279 --> 00:21:41.400 there's that's not changing, that's not really adding to the conversation, right right, 258 00:21:42.759 --> 00:21:45.079 Yeah, so I'm frustrated. Yeah, I did have that one up. 259 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:49.319 And that is kind of interesting that that they chose to do it that 260 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:52.200 way, because I, like you, was thinking, oh, you know 261 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:56.240 what he must be talking about this third video released by the bad DP. 262 00:21:56.319 --> 00:22:00.039 Read it through. Now I see what you're saying. Yeah, so that 263 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:04.599 is not it those goofballs. Yeah, so one more thing, if I 264 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:08.880 don't mind if I bring it up this up, I noticed that the Chinese 265 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:14.640 the space station did not land on anyone's head. I don't know if you 266 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:18.599 guess first. The odds of it was you had a thousand times more of 267 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:23.240 a chance winning the power balls. That was according to one of the scientists 268 00:22:23.319 --> 00:22:30.920 than landing on you. Oh really, that's hilarious. So and yeah, 269 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:34.319 luckily if people didn't hear about this, Chinese had a space station up there, 270 00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:40.920 that small one. It was only like two modules, and like most 271 00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:42.559 space stations. We even did this with the Skylab. You know, they 272 00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:48.400 just decided to burn it up in the atmosphere and cross their fingers that no 273 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:52.440 chunk of it hit any people. But luckily, I guess this thing did 274 00:22:52.599 --> 00:22:57.039 mostly burn up in the atmosphere over the Pacific Ocean. And of course, 275 00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:03.640 with seventy percent of the the planet being ocean, they can bet that most 276 00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:06.400 likely they're going to land over the ocean and no one will get hurt. 277 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:11.480 But yeah, burned up. Probably no pieces might have not even made it 278 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:19.279 to the planet because they said it mostly burnt all up. But yeah, 279 00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:23.680 so that was I worried about it, and hardly nothing to worry about. 280 00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:27.599 I mean, the odds are so low, but you never know. There 281 00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:30.920 might be like a dolphin out there wearing an ice pack or something. Yeah, 282 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:34.160 you never know. And the last thing we only have a minute, 283 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:37.160 but I'll say it really quick, is that there's another story won by news 284 00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:42.799 or about people in Chili being so upset about people digging up these skeletons, 285 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:49.039 especially fetuses in the desert and then claiming that they're alien, Like it's happened, 286 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:52.720 you know, recently, and we've seen stuff in the news. And 287 00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:56.039 the way I make an analogy because people are like, well what if it 288 00:23:56.079 --> 00:23:57.960 is an alien? Well, you know, how would you like someone coming 289 00:23:57.960 --> 00:24:07.440 to your families, you know, a graveyard and digging up fetuses or anything 290 00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:10.720 that they think is weird, and just because they think it's weird, claiming 291 00:24:10.759 --> 00:24:15.759 it's alien or a hybrid human alien, you probably wouldn't like that. Yeah, 292 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:18.799 good point. All right, we are all out of time. Thanks 293 00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:23.319 for joining us. Martin, thank you. And of course this is Martin 294 00:24:23.319 --> 00:24:27.480 from podcast UFO, so check him out. After the break, we will 295 00:24:27.519 --> 00:24:34.400 be back with Tie from the Drive the war Zone section. So super excited 296 00:24:34.440 --> 00:24:37.680 to talk to Tye. This is really great. I'm so happy he could 297 00:24:37.720 --> 00:24:42.160 participate. So after the break we'll be back with Tie. For those of 298 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:47.079 you listening on KGr, you'll hear a few commercials. To those of you 299 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:52.440 listening on the podcast will hear a short musical interlude. We'll be right back. 300 00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:15.599 Welcome to Open Mind GFO Radio. My name is Alejandro Rojas, and 301 00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:19.000 I'm very excited to have a defense reporter, Tyler Rogaway. And of course 302 00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:27.519 we've talked recently about this sighting over Arizona and New Mexico by these pilots, 303 00:25:27.880 --> 00:25:33.000 and the guy who did the research to break this story even without credit from 304 00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:37.559 all these mainstream media sources is Tyler Roguaway. So I'm very excited to talk 305 00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:40.680 to him. Welcome to the show, Tyler Gay. Great to be with 306 00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:42.680 you, and you go by ty Is that what I should call you? 307 00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:48.079 Yeah, Okay, it's up to you, your choice. Okay, great. 308 00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:52.759 Now I want to get into the details of these cases that you've reviewed, 309 00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:55.920 but I know we're gonna get swept away with all those details. It'll 310 00:25:55.960 --> 00:25:59.519 be really exciting because they are exciting. But so first I want to talk 311 00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:03.200 a little bit about you and your perceptions of kind of the whole UFO phenomena. 312 00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:07.440 But yeah, if you could give us a little bit of background. 313 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:11.799 Yeah, I'm you know, I do defense reporting, you know, specializing 314 00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:15.880 in air warfare, but we do everything you know, cyber or everything else. 315 00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:19.880 So we don't really report on, you know, the the classical UFO 316 00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:22.160 anything. I mean, it doesn't really exist. We do a lot of 317 00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:27.000 secretive projects and stuff, but we don't have that overlap usually. But I'll 318 00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:30.920 tell you anybody that's in the aerospace world, especially in journalism, and we'll 319 00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:36.240 tell tells you that they have no interest in the you know, legacy of 320 00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:41.599 UFOs and the whole history that goes along with it is lying to you. 321 00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:45.920 It's you know, it's an interesting thing, even just for the sake of 322 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:51.359 lower and intrigue. Okay, so I followed it very closely. You know, 323 00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:53.960 all my years, since I was a kid, you know, I'd 324 00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:59.079 known the main sightings and the main you know experiences that that people talk about, 325 00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:03.440 at least the ones that seems the most credible, and you know, 326 00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:06.680 I keep those kind of in my back pocket because a lot of times when 327 00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:11.319 people see things in the sky, it could potentially be maybe not a you 328 00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:15.640 know, outer space craft, but maybe something the government is is testing that 329 00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:18.319 we don't know about. So there's there is a good spill over there that 330 00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:21.680 you know that I have to keep an eye on at all times beyond just 331 00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:25.319 my own interests. That being said, I'm an aviation photographer. I've pointed 332 00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:30.000 very long lenses up to the sky for years and years and years, and 333 00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:36.160 I've never seen one thing that I couldn't explain. And I've been on most 334 00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:41.480 of the basis that people report that there's you know, secret drones flying out 335 00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:45.599 of and you know, aliens and everything else, you know, and I've 336 00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:48.759 never seen one thing that was out of place in fact or anything. But 337 00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:52.400 so, you know, bottom line is the hyperbole that goes along with this 338 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:57.960 subject. The fact that there's a that there seems to be a phenomenon where 339 00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:02.599 many people just want to be a part of it in some ways so badly 340 00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:08.839 that anything they see is a UFO or a secret government conspiracy against them or 341 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:15.880 whatever really hurts. Kind of the good reports that we do have that have 342 00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:19.799 multiple witnesses that aren't explained, and that we know that the government is even 343 00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:23.119 interested in as well. So that's kind of where I stand on it. 344 00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:26.359 You know, it's kind of a love hate relationship. But I love the 345 00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:30.880 history. I love the lore of it. I just wish that it was 346 00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:33.400 taken more seriously by the people that go out there and report it. The 347 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:36.839 other thing I have to say is there's a lot of people that do this 348 00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:42.079 work in this particular segment of information, if you will, that make a 349 00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:47.759 career out of perpetuating nothing but lies and bs, and they are on the 350 00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:52.440 History Channel every day they're on TV. They've done a great job of creating 351 00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:57.079 a little cottage industry about about something that a lot of people are interested in. 352 00:28:57.440 --> 00:29:00.160 But the sad thing is it does nothing but disservice because they don't try 353 00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:04.200 to disprove anything. They just want more material to simp out and try to 354 00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:07.519 you know, line their pockets, and that's sad mm hmm. Yeah, 355 00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:11.240 And I'm glad that you're saying this because I think it's important for people to 356 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:15.519 remember and to hear perspectives from people like you who work, you know, 357 00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:22.559 writing about defense, to hear that you know how damaging that other stuff, 358 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:27.279 other material can be, and but that you know there are a number of 359 00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:32.359 people like yourself that do take it seriously. Yeah, I mean there's like, 360 00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:33.839 just for instance, I get stuff sent to me all the time, 361 00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:37.960 right, not just what people see in the sky or reports or anything else, 362 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:41.119 but just like even weird UFO videos on YouTube and stuff. I mean, 363 00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:45.039 just randomly because the reporting I've done in the segment in that in the 364 00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:47.880 area, but you know it justly. A couple of days ago, I 365 00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:51.440 saw a YouTube video about some old guy, old man that was asked that 366 00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:55.440 he was dying, and he's giving a kind of a recollection of you know, 367 00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:59.000 him being part of all these secret programs and the UFOs in the nineteen 368 00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:03.559 fifties and sixties, and you know, the guy that I'm not gonna name 369 00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:04.799 names, and I don't even know the guy's name. I just noticed him 370 00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:10.039 from being on all over the TV for the last years on the History Channel 371 00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:14.319 and discovering everything else was interviewing this guy, and this guy was spouting nothing 372 00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:19.440 but bs and was that the timeline didn't even make any sense. The stuff 373 00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:25.400 he talked about actual military capabilities was not accurate at all. So the guy 374 00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:27.240 was it was full of it. It was just a fake deal, right, 375 00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:33.160 And the person that was doing an interview, which knows more about probably 376 00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:37.519 all that than I do, clearly could easily debunk it. But that wouldn't 377 00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:41.960 make for a good YouTube video. This is just a little microcosm where I 378 00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:45.680 think one of the major problems is with the study of this, this potentially 379 00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:52.440 very real phenomenon and kind of why we've been stuck probably in the same place 380 00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:56.759 for so many years without moving it forward in any significant way. M hm, 381 00:30:56.279 --> 00:31:02.319 Well, it's easy to make assumption and a lot of people do that. 382 00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:07.079 It's harder to do what scientists do. Uh, you know, the 383 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:11.759 rigor of it and what you do or journalists do, and and like you 384 00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:14.759 said, you know, when you look into the details, the timelines just 385 00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:18.599 don't work, let alone. Uh, you know, if you if you 386 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:23.200 look into the projects they're referring to, or the places nothing pans out, 387 00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:29.119 but people want to believe so badly that when you tell people that, because 388 00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:32.680 that's how I feel often telling people, well, the timelines don't work out, 389 00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:34.400 this doesn't work, and they just seem to get upset with you. 390 00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:38.559 Yeah, very much so. And even people send me, you know, 391 00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:41.640 I mean, I got a rash of emails after the first report I did, 392 00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:45.640 but the organ UFO, I mean hundreds, and people are sending me 393 00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:48.920 all these different things. And I loved I love to interact with my audience, 394 00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:52.400 so that's great, you know. But people say, hey, I've 395 00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:56.079 been shooting these objects. I've been you know, I'm tap photographer with it 396 00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:57.839 high end gear. I you know, I want to share these with you. 397 00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:00.920 And I'd say, oh, hey, you know, love to take 398 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:02.680 a look. Just heads up, I'm gonna be honest with you. You 399 00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:06.440 know, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna play along. Oh yeah, of 400 00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:07.400 course, you know. It sends me the pictures and I'm like, hey, 401 00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:10.279 listen, this is just you know, X, Y and Z. 402 00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:14.799 I've seen it in my own images. I can know exactly what's going on 403 00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:17.160 with your camera. Why you're getting these images and you know, they come 404 00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:21.000 back and you know, call your name, swear at you and right, 405 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:24.640 so listen, that's that's anything in life when it comes to journalism, right, 406 00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:27.759 you know, some people just want to leave what they want to believe. 407 00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:34.680 But it's tough with a subject that's already so dismissed where you have such 408 00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:40.559 a you know, the most fantastical viewpoints get the most airtime, right, 409 00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:45.000 And like I say, that's what really hurts us when we do have good 410 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:47.680 reports, and we do have people doing good work and are interested in this 411 00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:52.160 segment, and that could maybe move it forward, you know, as far 412 00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:53.960 as the discussion goes. But we're kind of still, I think, stuck 413 00:32:54.559 --> 00:33:00.240 in that fantasy realm. And that's too bad. Now looking at you or 414 00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:04.000 the website that you write for The Drive, I did look through for other 415 00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:08.240 UFO stories, and it looks like your story back in November about this Oregon 416 00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:15.720 incident was the first one. That your latest two stories actually were the only 417 00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:20.279 ones take the UFO it seems. And this Oregon when of course, deals 418 00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:27.319 with an unknown unidentified aircraft. So yeah, like you said, this isn't 419 00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:34.079 kind of a realm that The Drive dives into. Often and is do you 420 00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:37.640 feel more empowered or more emboldened to be able to write on this topic given 421 00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:44.359 the recent revelations from the Department of Defense. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean, 422 00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:47.599 we want to publish our first report on the Oregon deal back in you 423 00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:51.720 know, mid early to mid November. Can'tra have the exact date. But 424 00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:57.599 and then the you know, the about the threat program from Pentagon came out. 425 00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:02.000 Multiple sources reported it on a weekend in mid December, and once that 426 00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:07.559 happened, a lot of people really link the two kind of together, not 427 00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:13.280 just because they're related really you know, necessarily at least, but because they're 428 00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:17.599 both kind of like one was directly from the Pentagon, proving maybe that my 429 00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:22.639 report had a little bit more weight to it than not, considering that they're 430 00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.480 so interested in this, they're paying millions of dollars to still research this, 431 00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:29.440 and this is a program that we know about. You know, what don't 432 00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:32.559 we know about obviously is the big question. And yeah, it really helped 433 00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:36.119 out. So when we did our follow up on that original report, which 434 00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:39.679 had all the audio from the FA the phone calls and everything, the response 435 00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:45.119 was even i would say even better from it, not just in traffic, 436 00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:49.800 but in people really engaging in the content, trying to learn more, trying 437 00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.480 to kind of make up their own opinion at what they were hearing. And 438 00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:58.239 obviously the one with this lyrigjet and this airbus over Nevada or excuse me Arizona. 439 00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:00.039 I mean that thing has gone on every single outlet around the world. 440 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:07.679 So I have definitely seen an increase in interest and in the let me put 441 00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:10.920 it this way, in the mainstream media's willingness to report on some of these 442 00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:16.559 incidents since that report came out from the about the Defensive Partments Threat Analysis Project. 443 00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:21.239 Yeah, you know, because one thing that's been interesting is that and 444 00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:25.239 you probably know this, for decades, we've had issue incidents where jets are 445 00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:30.719 scrambled and they just don't know what's going on. Anecdotally, those of us 446 00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:35.559 who look into them know that some of the pilots and witnesses are you know, 447 00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:40.400 completely amazed by the occurrence. But it's still difficult to get the media 448 00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:45.360 to pay attention because they want to hear from you know, the guy with 449 00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:47.559 the goofy hair who's on the History Channel, or they want to hear some 450 00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:52.519 of these more sensational type stories. But it is great that stories like yours, 451 00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:58.320 now, the more credible ones, seem to be being taken more seriously 452 00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:01.320 by the media. Yeah, I agree, and it makes my job easier 453 00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:04.840 too, because when, like, for instance, when I picked up the 454 00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:08.920 phone to the FAA to try to get that that audio released for the leer 455 00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:13.639 Gen incident over Arizona, you know, we had to go through a long 456 00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:16.840 Floyer process, not that long, but it was a little bit involved to 457 00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:22.320 get them about the first incident for to have the fa released the information. 458 00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:25.400 You know, when I called the second time, they were much more you 459 00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:28.719 know, easy going about it. They were fine, They said, hey, 460 00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:31.320 we'd be happy to release it because you know, it's out there. 461 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:36.440 It was on you know, open radio communications and they didn't even know what 462 00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:39.960 it happened until I alerted to the kind of the time frame that it did 463 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:43.320 and they were able to look into it. So yeah, definitely see a 464 00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:46.239 little bit changes there, and it's a positive thing. But we'll be sustained, 465 00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:50.639 you know, I don't know, right, And that's one of the 466 00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:54.480 the most exciting part for me because like you said, you know, I've 467 00:36:54.679 --> 00:36:59.239 called the FAA on different situations and they don't even want to discuss it. 468 00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:04.000 They're like, you know, call these civilian organizations that deal with this, 469 00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:07.480 and these are people typically who you know, they've just got a website and 470 00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:10.599 they're posting sightings. They're certainly not people who are doing any sort of serious 471 00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:16.960 investigation. Although sometimes they would refer you to Big Low Aerospace, which was 472 00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:22.440 doing secret or serious information, but they weren't really sharing any of their results. 473 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.760 But yeah, to see that, you know, they were so open 474 00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:31.000 with you, and it seems any other media outlet that has requested this audio 475 00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:37.639 has been a big change in how they've handled this situation in the past. 476 00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:40.800 I thought so too, And before with the Oregon event, I was able 477 00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:45.360 to pull pieces of the audio and show it to them, and you know 478 00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:49.400 that I already had it and we just wanted more, right, That was 479 00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:52.679 the kind of the initiative that we were putting in front of of saying we 480 00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:55.119 want more audio. We've got fifteen minutes, so they could deny that that 481 00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:59.559 something happened. Okay, well this one, you know, I had a 482 00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:04.440 forensic put together basically kind of a where these airplanes weren't in space and time 483 00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:07.800 and you know it was and this just came off the Arizona one was just 484 00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:13.119 a tip from a pilot that was in the area that overheard some communications, 485 00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:15.360 and you know I didn't I barely. I didn't really have an exact time 486 00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:19.440 for you to be a with. So we spent you know, days putting 487 00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:22.039 it together and then presenting it to the FAA. And they could have just 488 00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:24.039 said, hey, pow, you know, we don't have put it through 489 00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:27.599 FOYA, we're not going to look for the audio. But they weren't. 490 00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:30.840 There was a great guy at Albuquerque Center who said, hey, happy to 491 00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:34.280 help you. Let's go. Well, we'll look for it, and he 492 00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:37.400 gave me the backstory and released it within you know, just I would say 493 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:42.800 twenty four or forty eight hours I had that tape. So yeah, that 494 00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:45.360 is a change. I don't know if that's because I got the right guy 495 00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:50.679 or the circumstances were different in the Arizona one. You know, F fifteen's 496 00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:54.679 weren't scrambled, they weren't on the emergency network talking to each other the whole 497 00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:59.639 time, so there isn't any of that sensitivity. But still it was much 498 00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:01.360 different. You know, it was a much different deal. I mean on 499 00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:05.119 the Oregon one, the FA it took a week for them to get back 500 00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:08.039 to me period, and by the time that they finally did, I had 501 00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:14.039 already gotten the confirmation from Norad that the event took place. So a very 502 00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:16.760 different experience, you know, I can't exactly tell why, but it does 503 00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:21.239 seem like there's some change there. Yeah, that's amazing. That's that's just 504 00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:24.880 your experience is amazing because even with Norrad, you know, Norrad and FAA 505 00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:29.679 or the two that typically you run into these brick walls in the past, 506 00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:32.800 but it seems like there's at least a little bit of opening up. And 507 00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:37.119 I did want to touch on one more thing before we get into these cases 508 00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:42.159 we've been referring to. Is this, uh, the secretive projects that you 509 00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.840 also follow and write about, because that's that's kind of another funny area when 510 00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:52.599 it comes to UFOs. One thing that I've always reminded people is that even 511 00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:58.159 if we've even if something is after an investigation, is determined to be unidentified, 512 00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:02.960 Uh, there's no doubt a large percentage of those are just aircraft that 513 00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:09.119 we're not aware that they exist, you know, secretive aircraft, unmanned, 514 00:40:09.159 --> 00:40:14.760 droned, who knows, other you know, high performance aircraft being worked on 515 00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:19.880 out of Area fifty one or elsewhere. And it's kind of a lot of 516 00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:24.320 the researchers or the field kind of lend a blind the eye to that fact. 517 00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:32.079 They get so excited that identify or come to a conclusion of unidentified that 518 00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:37.199 once they do, and even if they substantiate that, so quick to look 519 00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:42.880 at other explanations other than the obvious that these could be top secret aircraft, 520 00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:46.320 right, and if you look at like, well, first we know this 521 00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:49.800 from you know, the past, the CIA and everything else, and the 522 00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:52.639 Air Force, the SR seventy one, Blackbird, the U two, and 523 00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:59.800 you know, even other platforms were largely the cause of a bunch of reports 524 00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:02.920 for over a period of time in the fifties and sixties, so we know 525 00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:07.199 that that was the case. Now fast forward to the nineteen eighties, where 526 00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:08.840 you have an introduction of flying wings, you know, via the B two 527 00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:14.800 in the late eighties, and obviously some test articles that probably existed before that 528 00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:19.800 airframe was actually rolled out, you know that we'll never know of, you 529 00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:22.000 know, a flying wing in general. And this is a lot of the 530 00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:25.719 higher end on that combat air vehicles which are called ucabs. They're like fighter 531 00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:30.800 size tactical aircraft. Okay, these aren't like predator drones or reaper drones. 532 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:34.400 These are jet powered flying wings. If you look at any flying wing, 533 00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:37.239 if you view it from different angles, it looks totally different. If you 534 00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:39.760 view it head on, it looks like a big you know, like a 535 00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:43.920 thin wedge flying at you. If you view it from the side, it 536 00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:47.559 looks exactly like a flying saucer. Exactly. I mean, it's like one 537 00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:52.039 flying saucer if you view it edge on. If you look down the wing 538 00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:55.239 and then from underneath, it looks like some bat from another planet, you 539 00:41:55.280 --> 00:42:00.199 know, so some mechanical bat shaped objects. So us that alone, you 540 00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:05.039 know, something to take into account. And that is an area, especially 541 00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:08.320 in the UCAB space on that common air Vehicle space is an area that is 542 00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:14.119 a lot of developments going on behind closed doors. That technology was proven in 543 00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:19.960 the two thousands. It was the largest revelation in air warfare since the jet 544 00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:22.280 engine. And it just totally disappeared by the end of that decade. And 545 00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:27.400 now the Air Force won't even discuss it. It's like it doesn't even so. 546 00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:29.599 I mean, the Navy has played around with it. We've seen them 547 00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:32.199 land the x forty seven to B demonstrator, which is like a flying wing 548 00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:37.480 from Northwark grumming on their aircraft carriers. They've done an aerror refueling with that 549 00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:42.960 same system, but that's it. And so you know, this incredible new 550 00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:46.920 breakthrough which could replace a lot of the missions that shorter range fighter aircraft do 551 00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:52.480 that are man fighters that are much more expensive, and you know, you 552 00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:54.159 lose them, you lose a pilot and enemy territory, on and on. 553 00:42:55.519 --> 00:43:00.599 They could replace a lot of those aircraft for a lot less money and more 554 00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:04.519 efficiently. And when you network work them together in swarms, you know, 555 00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:08.880 of six to ten to twelve aircraft, they can react potentially faster than the 556 00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:13.719 enemy can and break his decision cycle. So you're seeing a leap in a 557 00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:19.519 potential massive leap in technology and air combat capability that is obviously very attractive, 558 00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:22.320 but we don't hear anything about. So when you look at the night sky 559 00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:24.599 and you see something weird or you know, you see something that is maybe 560 00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:29.800 not you know, easily explained, especially in an area where there's test ranges, 561 00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:32.920 you know, over the Gulf of Mexico obviously Nevada, Arizona, New 562 00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:37.519 Mexico, Utah those areas. You know, there's a good chance that that 563 00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:42.880 might be just a exotic looking airplane that is guess what underneath its incredible skin. 564 00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:45.320 It's got a jet engine, it's got some computers that fly, some 565 00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:50.320 landing gear in a weapons bay. You know, it's not that crazy of 566 00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:53.320 a machine. So definitely a lot of stuff going on there. And that's 567 00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:58.280 the lower end of the high tech space, you know, the very future, 568 00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:01.119 bleeding edged stuff. You know, that's almost too hard to predict what's 569 00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:06.199 going on there because it's for all we know, you know, especially you 570 00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:09.679 read like Ben Rich's book that you know he built that F one seventeen and 571 00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:15.280 was a big guy at skunk Works with after Kelly Johnson and did his run 572 00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:19.320 there. You know, he says that it's there. They're like so far 573 00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:22.280 out in advanced on the bleeding edge stuff, and some of that technology we 574 00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:24.920 may never see. It could be buried for decades before it ever comes to 575 00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:29.400 pass. And I don't know if you've seen this, but I've seen this, 576 00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:34.360 especially in this arena. A lot of times files get lost and or 577 00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:38.320 possibly destroyed, and so there are many projects I believe in the past, 578 00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:43.880 you know, by working on FOYA and these instances where files are destroyed or 579 00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:47.280 lost, and some of these projects will just never come to like because nobody 580 00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:52.599 even remembers they happened. Yeah, and you know, it's funny you mentioned 581 00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:55.719 that because I was the guy that sort of had a going release a bunch 582 00:44:55.760 --> 00:45:00.920 of stuff about Quiet Bird, which was a stale the designed aircraft from like 583 00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:07.360 the nineteen early sixties, late fifties before there was Stilth before we even you 584 00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:12.599 know, pre dates at least a decade and a half before we started seeing 585 00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:15.320 Lockeed Martin and all the other guys go and start to have Blue and the 586 00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:19.880 F one seventeen, et cetera. So, you know, and when I 587 00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:22.599 went and we did this, even Boeing said they are missing a bunch of 588 00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:27.440 the records of what happened where it ended up. You know, that's part 589 00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:30.239 of it too. And also the airframes themselves when they're done with them. 590 00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:34.760 You know, it's widely known that they've been just buried in the desert. 591 00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:38.519 They just bury them out there. There's there's for them to store them. 592 00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:43.360 There's not enough room, and they don't want to like militarize them or you 593 00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:45.960 know, there's no way to really release them into the public domain. So 594 00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:51.599 they just bury them, you know, and that's it. So listen, 595 00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:54.639 we just know the tiny I do this full time, Okay, we just 596 00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:59.880 know of the tiny, tiny tip of the iceberg over about what's been tested 597 00:45:59.880 --> 00:46:04.119 out there for the last thirty years. So that's a that's an intriguing thought, 598 00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:07.360 you know. I mean, that's an amazing thing. But something to 599 00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:08.599 keep in mind. When you look up with the night sky, it's jumping 600 00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:14.159 to oh my gosh, that doesn't look like a normal plane. So maybe 601 00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:16.599 it's it's it's got to be from another world or something else. You know, 602 00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:20.679 there's a lot that we don't know, and to the untrained eye, 603 00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:24.519 normal planes can look really weird under certain circumstances as well. M That's why 604 00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:28.559 it's so interesting, I think, you know, even though we don't have 605 00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:36.400 the details of the investigations that the Pentagon conducted to come to the conclusion that 606 00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:42.079 some of these objects that they observed were unknown, they did say they concluded 607 00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:47.559 these also were not top secret exotic aircraft. So I mean, that holds 608 00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:52.280 a lot of weight when it's coming from from the Department of Defense. At 609 00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:58.960 least they have you know, they have come to the conclusion unit that they 610 00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:01.960 have been able to rule them out in their investigation. Yeah. But I 611 00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:06.760 got to say this about that too, is that at one time we hear 612 00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:10.000 that at the same time, you know, just recently putin did his you 613 00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:14.719 know, little show of his super weapons he's building to try to basically, 614 00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:20.440 you know, render our defenses or missile defenses useless. Okay. And one 615 00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:22.880 of the things that he was he you know, revealed which was new to 616 00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:28.519 us, new to me who does this exclusively and my colleagues, was a 617 00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:35.559 nuclear power cruise missile that has been you know, and that they showed pictures 618 00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:38.039 of kind of what its pro profile would be and fly halfway around the world 619 00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:43.400 at low altitude at high speed. That's a really great point. And Chris 620 00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:47.760 Mellan, the guy who worked for intelligence who wrote this Washington Post piece recently 621 00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:52.559 with the recent video that came out with a Department of Defenses program, he 622 00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:57.320 made the point that these are the reasons why we still don't know exactly everything 623 00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:00.599 the Russians and Chinese have. That's why we need to be looking and paying 624 00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:05.639 attention to these unidentified sidings, right. And that's and so I'm you know, 625 00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:07.719 in retrospect. I'm looking at that, I'm thinking, okay, but 626 00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:12.599 maybe they haven't tested it. Now then we're just right after that we hear 627 00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:16.840 that they our intelligence agencies have watched them test these crafts and they failed, 628 00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:21.760 supposedly, But it means it's a real project. It's not just a PowerPoint 629 00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:24.320 demonstration. This is something that they're investing money and test flying. Okay. 630 00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:29.000 So I'm not saying that that was what those f eighteen saw. Okay, 631 00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:31.039 I'm not. I'm not trying to make any conclusions. I'm just trying to 632 00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:37.719 say that there's a lot going on in the non traditional propulsion. And that 633 00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:40.920 doesn't mean electromagnetic you know, like anti gravity. Okay, this means like 634 00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:46.000 nuclear propulsion and when it comes to hypersonics, you know, things that can 635 00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:51.679 fly with in our atmosphere at mock six plus. So what I'm trying to 636 00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:57.440 say to your to your listeners are is this, excuse me, the world 637 00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:00.800 that you look at. So let's say the sky that you look at, 638 00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:04.880 that world, that kind of that atmosphere that we see every day, and 639 00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:09.880 the things that fly through that atmosphere. It's changing the profiles of those things 640 00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:15.639 that are man made. The flight profiles are now morphing. There's going to 641 00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:20.039 be new potential things to be seen in the sky. And these things cover 642 00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:23.320 a lot of range really fast, so you know, it's just something to 643 00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:28.039 keep in mind when you see something strange and it doesn't even fit any of 644 00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:32.480 your explanations. We are now moving into realms of flight that we haven't before 645 00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:36.880 on an operational basis, and that means we're going to be seeing some things 646 00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:39.199 we've probably never seen before. Mm hmm. So we got to go to 647 00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:44.639 break. Now we'll be back. This has already been to so extremely fascinating. 648 00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:47.079 Those of you listening on KGRA, we'll hear a couple of minutes of 649 00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:52.400 commercials. Those on the podcast will hear a short musical interlude, and you 650 00:49:52.440 --> 00:50:10.800 will be right back with Open Mind youf AL Radio, Welcome back to Open 651 00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:15.679 Mind UFO Radio. This is your host, Alejandro Rojas and I'm with ty 652 00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:19.599 Rogueaway And before you left, just the last thing to touch on before we 653 00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:22.119 get into the cases. You talked about, you know, this new Russian 654 00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:29.760 program that we just found out about about these nuclear powered cruise missiles, and 655 00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:31.679 I was reading one of your stories. I believe it was your story. 656 00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:37.559 At least it was on the drive about Lockheed is working on these fusion essentially 657 00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:44.880 engines where you could have craft in the air all day for months or years. 658 00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:47.599 Yeah, this has been a story. You know. They promoted this 659 00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:52.599 potential fusion reactor project that they're working on. This is the skunkworks, say, 660 00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:55.960 people that brought us stealth technologies we know it today, you know, 661 00:50:57.440 --> 00:51:00.800 and the s R seventy one, et cetera, were looking on this thing. 662 00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:02.039 And this is like a generator, you know, it's like a nuclear 663 00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:07.679 generator that can power a city, you know, a small city, or 664 00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:10.960 it can be potentially loaded onto an aircraft, built into an aircraft and replaced 665 00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:15.599 satellites, you know, indefinite sort of range aircraft, that sort of thing. 666 00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:19.760 And so this is publicized in like twenty fourteen, they did kind of 667 00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:22.079 a big release on it that they're working on. And of course this is 668 00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:25.719 like almost free energy. Okay, so this is beyond game changing. This 669 00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:30.639 isn't just cool airplanes. This is like the end of fossil fuels potentially as 670 00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:32.280 we know it. Okay. I mean it's a big deal, you know, 671 00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:37.159 so you know, and it kind of been it's been very quiet since 672 00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:40.880 then, and we a friend of a colleague of ours over at flight Global, 673 00:51:42.199 --> 00:51:45.719 Stephen Trimble, he did a post on Twitter talking about a patent he 674 00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:52.400 had found of this reactor that had just been issued, and so we obviously 675 00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:55.760 looked into it and it was pretty fascinating that they have received a patent on 676 00:51:55.840 --> 00:52:00.280 it and it seems to be moving forward. We don't know, you know, 677 00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:05.679 there's there's other programs too internationally that are trying to achieve this capability, 678 00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:07.760 but we don't know how, you know, far along they are. It's 679 00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:10.559 gone, like I say, quite pretty quiet. But it's a story that 680 00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:14.880 we're definitely looking into. After we did that original post on the patent, 681 00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:21.599 m now getting into these stories, these essentially UFO stories. Of course UFOs, 682 00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:24.880 you're using the term as the Air Force invented determined of course, as 683 00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:30.679 I use the term as unidentified flying objects not necessarily you know, extraterrestrial in 684 00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:37.679 nature. But your story, this one from Oregon in California, this incident 685 00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:43.119 that happened in October. Even though this recent story you wrote about Arizona is 686 00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:46.559 getting a lot of the press, this Oregon, California one is pretty much 687 00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:51.639 is more exciting because jets were actually scrambled, and there were a lot more 688 00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:55.960 people involved, witnesses, So maybe you can describe what happened right, and 689 00:52:57.199 --> 00:52:59.639 you're one hundred percent right on that. It is night and day part of 690 00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:02.800 the years. The story this is, and from what I can tell, 691 00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:07.679 it's documented in such a way that I've never seen before for a quote unquote 692 00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:13.159 UFO event. But what happened was, just to break it down simply, 693 00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:19.639 is on October twenty fifth, over northern California Oakland Center, the radar controllers 694 00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:23.760 spotted a aircraft moving at very very high speed and we don't know exactly how 695 00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:27.480 high speed it is, but you can listen to controller sock about it. 696 00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:30.840 It wasn't normal, okay, to the south, and then all of a 697 00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:37.159 sudden, this object, this craft takes a hard left turn to the north, 698 00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:42.159 and by this time we got controllers both in Oregon and from Oakland Center 699 00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:45.480 talking about like, what the heck is this? And it was not. 700 00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:49.920 It showed up on a radar just at the beginning during that high speed run 701 00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:52.840 to the south, and then after that, once it turned north, it 702 00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:59.079 disappeared. And it just doesn't disappear intermittently Okay, we're talking about over hundreds 703 00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:02.599 of miles and you know, forty minutes of time. This thing never showed 704 00:54:02.599 --> 00:54:07.559 back up on a radar again, nor did it have a transpounder working. 705 00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:13.360 There is some confusion that potentially it was giving a transpounder code for a moment, 706 00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:15.960 but we still haven't been able to work that out that from when it 707 00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:21.719 was originally spotted. So I'm kind of pushing that off because it's it's still 708 00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:24.440 hard to figure out exactly what was going on there. It definitely wasn't mentioned 709 00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:29.920 again after Okay, and so this thing's heading north and it's not communicating with 710 00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:36.199 radar radio either with air traffic control, and so these controllers just spotted this 711 00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:39.719 are kind of dumbfounded, and they just kind of go to who's in the 712 00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:44.920 area locally that could spot it, you know, what aircraft are flying through 713 00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:51.199 that very busy corridor that goes between Seattle and you know, California basically, 714 00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:54.400 I mean it's that's a really packed corridor of airplanes every day all day, 715 00:54:54.559 --> 00:54:59.800 you know, And so they ask a pilot kind of went around Crater Lake. 716 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:02.320 Southern Oregon is kind of where we're at, you know, spatially now, 717 00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:06.119 at this point in time, and they say, hey, can you 718 00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:08.599 see an aircraft of any sort off here, you know, like one or 719 00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:13.000 two o'clock in front of you, And you can kind of tell they're asking 720 00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:15.199 this, probably not thinking they're going to get any report back, you know. 721 00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:20.000 And the pilot says, yep, I got him right there. I 722 00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:22.440 see him. He's out there. He's about this, maybe a couple thousand 723 00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:27.679 feet higher than we are, so between about thirty seven and thirty nine thousand 724 00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:30.360 feet we're talking here, okay, So not some piper cub that's gotten lost. 725 00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:36.239 This is the high performance airplane that's actually out pacing the seven thirty sevens 726 00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:39.880 that are flying around it. Okay. And then we get another pilot that 727 00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:44.280 gets called out boom he sees it, and then another one, so we 728 00:55:44.360 --> 00:55:49.360 have like three airplanes that have are seamless thing, and it keeps going. 729 00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:52.880 It continues on all the way up to the LaMotte Valley, and these airplanes 730 00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:57.760 have to start descending into Portland, so they lose and it's you know, 731 00:55:57.960 --> 00:56:00.880 the sun's going down now, it's getting dark, you know, to go 732 00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:05.280 around suns that time, and so eventually they lose sight of it as they 733 00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:09.039 descended to Portland, their national airport. About this same period of time, 734 00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:15.159 F fifteens could scrambled out of Portland, which we have an incredible unit out 735 00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:19.119 of one of the best F fifteen squadrons of the world is based there. 736 00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:22.719 Okay, so with very power, upgraded aircraft, the best equipment really kind 737 00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:27.679 of on and F fifteen that you can have, and they get launched out 738 00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:32.519 and to look for him, this unidentified object. And there's some confusion of 739 00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:37.000 which direction they go, but regardless, bottom line is they couldn't find it. 740 00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:42.239 They couldn't find him, they couldn't see where, you know, from 741 00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:45.920 the last point where it was being reported. These aircraft sended into Portland to 742 00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:50.679 maybe fifteen or twenty minutes later, when the air these F fifteens were up, 743 00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:57.239 this object was gone for all means and purposes. And what's so fascinating 744 00:56:57.280 --> 00:57:00.679 beyond just the incident I've explained, is that we have not just the radio 745 00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:06.199 traffic that goes for you know, I don't know, forty five minutes total 746 00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:10.800 maybe on this thirty five minutes total and constant, okay about this sighting, 747 00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:15.400 continuous sighting and the confusions going on with it. But we also have all 748 00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:21.239 the phone calls that were made during that period of time, and they're amazing. 749 00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:24.719 They're between the FAA and the military, the FAA and FA headquarters. 750 00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:30.800 They're interviewing the pilots afterwards, trying to figure out what this thing was. 751 00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:35.159 And the big takeaway that I want to give your listeners and please trust me 752 00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:37.239 on this because if you don't listen to audio yourself, this is what you 753 00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:43.840 will walk away with. This doesn't happen often. This is not a common 754 00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:47.960 occurrence. Even the FAA Quality Assurance at the headquarters, who deal with every 755 00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:52.159 issue that happens during the day, every weird, strange thing that happens to 756 00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:55.960 me in the American airspace, you know, they get reported, they get 757 00:57:57.000 --> 00:57:59.679 reports on it, and they deal with it. They could even figure out 758 00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:04.480 how to all this and they were weirded out by it. They could not 759 00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:07.000 even understand. Really, they were amazed to even say themselves, so like 760 00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:12.199 at ufoh this was like and what we and as far as what the aircraft 761 00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:15.480 was, which I'm sure your audience is thinking, well, okay, so 762 00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:19.679 there saw something. What was it. The best report we got was from 763 00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:22.800 one of the pilots who was the closest to it at a time when the 764 00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:25.079 sun was pretty you know, still pretty high up and had a good angle 765 00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:30.360 of light on it. It was a white aircraft of some sort or object 766 00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:36.719 of some sort, white in color. And when asked to size, he 767 00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:39.559 said, it was not just some leer jet out there. It was large. 768 00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:44.840 It was a large aircraft of some sort. So it's not like this 769 00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:50.239 was just some old nineteen seventies leer jet that was stolen and had packed with 770 00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:52.519 cocaine and flown north, which would be stupid to do it at that time. 771 00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:58.760 Anyway. It was a larger aircraft. So that's pretty much the case 772 00:58:58.920 --> 00:59:04.320 of the Oregon, the Oregon UFO. And to this day, you know, 773 00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:07.800 even with my like defense contacts and military military contacts, nobody seems to 774 00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:14.159 understand what this thing was. Wow. And so some of the unique properties 775 00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:21.559 or characteristics is that it somehow was being tracked on radar and then wasn't disappeared 776 00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:28.519 on radar even though it could be visually seen. And then and then after 777 00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:34.760 you know, as you described, after the witnesses pilots had landed in Portland 778 00:59:35.280 --> 00:59:39.199 and the jets were scrambled, it was gone. Yeah, and those jets. 779 00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:42.679 Just to give you your viewers an I or your listener's an idea of 780 00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:45.400 kind of what you're dealing with out of PDX. Those fifteen's now carry the 781 00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:49.960 most powerful air to air radar in the world. Okay, it's not like 782 00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:52.000 these are older National Guard jets that are, you know, from the nineteen 783 00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:57.960 seventies and haven't seen an upgrade for thirty five years. They have an upgraded 784 00:59:58.039 --> 01:00:02.280 radar and they also have an electrical optical targeting system that can look where that 785 01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:07.840 radar see is a target from long distance and identify it capture video on it, 786 01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:10.840 so you know it's a very capable aircraft that you're talking about that went 787 01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:15.039 up to look for it. And Western Air Defense Sector WADS, it's also 788 01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:21.559 nickname Bigfoot, that controls that airspace part of NORAD. They know that airspace 789 01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:23.400 so well, they've seen the weird things that happen up there. They you 790 01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:28.400 know, those controllers know what they're doing, and you can hear them talking 791 01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:30.119 to the FA on these phone calls being like, we can't even get a 792 01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:32.880 lock on the sky either. We can't see him. You know, they're 793 01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:37.400 looking with all their capabilities as well, and they can't spot him. They 794 01:00:37.480 --> 01:00:44.000 just know he's there because the airliners are watching him. That's shocking. Now, 795 01:00:44.159 --> 01:00:47.079 I have a question for you. One thing I think about with a 796 01:00:47.079 --> 01:00:51.719 lot of these cases is you know, during the Cold War, of course 797 01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:54.880 the Russians would fly over us with aircraft we couldn't get to and you know, 798 01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:58.480 we couldn't do anything about it. Of course, that's what we were 799 01:00:58.519 --> 01:01:00.519 doing with the U two. We're like, h you know, we're flying 800 01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:04.000 over taking pictures of you, and there's nothing you can do about it. 801 01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:06.719 Of Course, they shot one down, so they proved, yes, we 802 01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:10.960 can't do something about it. But is it possible? Because you know, 803 01:01:12.679 --> 01:01:15.360 the Cold War, I think is a semantics thing. I don't know if 804 01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:19.239 it really ever, And it is it possible the Russians would be trying to 805 01:01:19.239 --> 01:01:23.679 do something like that if they had maybe a new stealth technology fly over us 806 01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:30.880 see if we can see it. Is that possible? Well, I'm not 807 01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:34.480 going to say anything is impossible because I don't know what this thing was. 808 01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:42.719 I'm gonna tell you geopolitically and capability wise technologically extremely unlikely beyond beyond extremely unlikey 809 01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:50.239 like next to zero percent, because you're basically flying in international airspace without any 810 01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:54.079 contact at all, and you're doing so in a flight lane and there's not 811 01:01:54.119 --> 01:01:59.920 really anything strategic around there to be doing it. Really strange and what's the 812 01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:02.000 message? You know, if if we don't still know what it is, 813 01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:07.440 then it's just an unidentified aircraft. Also, technologically that would mean that aircraft 814 01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:10.039 would have had to come all the way from Russia to do that. I 815 01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:14.239 mean, it would have needed taking assistance and everything else, which you know 816 01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:17.199 we could spot. So you know, there it doesn't seem to be the 817 01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:22.559 case. I wish it was almost give us a at least a better answer. 818 01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:24.239 But once again, when I wrote this, we didn't hear about this 819 01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:29.280 nuclear powered cruise miss Will either, you know, wouldn't we would potentially do 820 01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:31.360 something like that. But then again, why on earth would you send it 821 01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:35.960 over the Northwest? And what's it? What's the purpose of that? And 822 01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:40.039 I you know, but listen, anything's possible. I've also posited that maybe 823 01:02:40.039 --> 01:02:45.519 this was an unmanned aircraft that was being tested up in the Northern Ranges in 824 01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:51.639 Nevada that went astray and they were they lost contact with it and it just 825 01:02:51.719 --> 01:02:54.719 cruised along and did its thing. You know, we saw that there is 826 01:02:54.760 --> 01:02:59.559 a precedent for that happening. That the r Q one seventy Sentinel, which 827 01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:04.559 is a self once again, a stealthy flying wing that's a surveillance drone that 828 01:03:04.639 --> 01:03:07.159 fell right into the hands of the Iranians twenty eleven after it went nut, 829 01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:14.239 you know, did its own thing. And we know other past shadowy circumstances 830 01:03:14.280 --> 01:03:17.000 around Area fifty one, especially where drones have either gone off the range or 831 01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:22.360 whatever and they self destructed. So it's very unlikely once again, I mean, 832 01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:27.760 it has to end up somewhere right, So kind of a bad explanation, 833 01:03:27.880 --> 01:03:31.559 but something I could say. But yeah, the problem with this, 834 01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:36.679 honestly is we just don't have any like good place to put our finger and 835 01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:39.760 says okay, you know, fifty percent chances this or that. We just 836 01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:45.039 don't have anything like that that we can put forward that is something that is 837 01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:49.159 feasible to tell your audience to say, yeah, probably was X. I 838 01:03:49.159 --> 01:03:52.920 can't do it, yeah, which is exactly how Elizondo, the guy who 839 01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:59.280 ran that DoD you know, thread identification program, explained that. He says, 840 01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:00.719 you know, I can't for sure what it is. I can't say 841 01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:05.400 for sure that it's not Russian or Chinese. But as you put it, 842 01:04:05.440 --> 01:04:12.280 the probability, given the performance and the nature of the craft is very very 843 01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:17.000 very unlikely. So fat So let's get into because we've only got like about 844 01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:21.239 five or six minutes left. Then the Arizona case. One thing I don't 845 01:04:21.280 --> 01:04:30.599 think was in the story was how you came across this this situation, right, 846 01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:33.599 So the Arizona case that happened. I believe it was February twenty eighth, 847 01:04:35.119 --> 01:04:39.639 that came to me from a pilot that was y'a I don't even know 848 01:04:39.679 --> 01:04:45.719 the guy's name, Okay, anonymous email that speaking very solidly like he knew 849 01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:48.039 what he was talking about, that said, Hey, I was in the 850 01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:51.039 area and we were listening. We were transiting the area, and we heard 851 01:04:51.079 --> 01:04:56.519 these wacky communications and it weirded me and my co pilot out and we have 852 01:04:56.599 --> 01:05:00.480 no idea who to ask. So if you can look into it, that 853 01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:02.480 would be great. And I you know, with that, I said, 854 01:05:02.559 --> 01:05:06.159 ninety percent chance, I'm tossing this away until I just start looking into it. 855 01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:11.840 And I started corroborating a couple things and started building out these flights one 856 01:05:11.880 --> 01:05:15.079 by one that were kind of in this area. And kind of narrowed it 857 01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:18.079 down to an area where they would have been during a basic block of time. 858 01:05:18.880 --> 01:05:23.400 And luckily, we have some interesting flight tracking tools that allow us to 859 01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:27.880 do that now more easily than just like from total scratch and radar telemetry or 860 01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:31.039 whatever you have during that period of time. So at that point I said, 861 01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:34.559 listen, we have enough here. I think just ask the FAA if 862 01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:38.320 they know about it. And like, we got a guy there at the 863 01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:43.880 Albuquerque Center who went up to his to the head you know, the head 864 01:05:44.079 --> 01:05:46.760 manager there, and said, hey, these guys say this happened. I've 865 01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:49.719 never heard anything about it, and he didn't hear anything about it either, 866 01:05:50.239 --> 01:05:55.639 But they reviewed some of the tape and they boom, it was right there. 867 01:05:55.880 --> 01:05:58.519 So that's how that story came to be, and that's how we got 868 01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:04.280 the the audio were released so quickly. M and this essentially was two witnesses 869 01:06:04.360 --> 01:06:11.280 right to begin with the Leer Jet pilot and then later on the American Airlines 870 01:06:11.480 --> 01:06:15.599 And I guess what did they describe? Right? So the lyri Jet. 871 01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:18.679 They're both heading east south of Tucson, excuse me, south of Phoenix, 872 01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:24.760 Okay, kind of down there between Phoenix and the border and then heading towards 873 01:06:24.760 --> 01:06:28.800 the New Mexico border. That's a very active area for military operations too. 874 01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:32.719 But besides that, the Phoenix air leer Jet, which their military contractor, 875 01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:36.960 they fly aggressor Lyer jets against our ships and our service to air missile batteries. 876 01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:41.360 So these guys are not your average lyrijet pilots. Okay, they've seen 877 01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:45.639 everything. They look up and apparently something flew over them, right above them. 878 01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:51.960 That was the bright object that they You can hear them on the radio. 879 01:06:53.079 --> 01:06:57.599 They said that it was no weather balloon okay, at about thirty seven 880 01:06:57.679 --> 01:07:00.199 thousand feet and the object was maybe a thousand and feet above them. I'm 881 01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:05.119 just guestimating kind of what by the lingo we hear back and forth, and 882 01:07:05.320 --> 01:07:10.280 air traffic control was very cool about it. A few minutes later they asked 883 01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:15.559 it and then I believe it was an American Airlines aircraft that was flying behind 884 01:07:15.639 --> 01:07:19.360 them, you know, one hundred miles or so, and they say, 885 01:07:19.400 --> 01:07:23.280 hey, listen, just give us a shot if you see something pass over 886 01:07:23.320 --> 01:07:25.719 you. And they were kind of weirded out by that because well, what 887 01:07:25.719 --> 01:07:29.039 what would it be? You know? But boom, they said, yep, 888 01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:30.599 just shot right over us, about two thousand feet above us, and 889 01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:34.920 they were at thirty seven thousand feet And then you get this banter going back 890 01:07:34.960 --> 01:07:41.440 and forth between these pilots and this controller and basically even he was when the 891 01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:44.199 pilots was even asked, was it like a Google balloon? So they'd become 892 01:07:44.239 --> 01:07:49.239 like a weather balloon, you know, and he goes highly unlikely, and 893 01:07:49.360 --> 01:07:54.920 so you know, it was an odd deal. There is weather balloon traffic 894 01:07:55.000 --> 01:07:58.280 all over the United States. It does happen. I'm not saying it wasn't 895 01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:00.800 one of the pilots that was very bright. It was a very bright objects 896 01:08:01.039 --> 01:08:08.079 reflective, but we just don't know what it was. I've had some information 897 01:08:08.159 --> 01:08:13.480 since I've done that report that seems like it was probably stranger than it was 898 01:08:13.559 --> 01:08:15.960 even reported originally, but I don't want to get into that detail at the 899 01:08:16.039 --> 01:08:19.880 time. At this time right now, CNN, and I was wondering if 900 01:08:19.920 --> 01:08:25.159 you knew about this, and their report their conclusion was authorities have told us 901 01:08:25.159 --> 01:08:29.159 it was a balloon, but they didn't source that. They didn't say what 902 01:08:29.359 --> 01:08:33.520 authority or which authorities told them that. And given that they didn't even source 903 01:08:33.600 --> 01:08:40.479 the story at all, back to you I'm a little skeptical of the amount 904 01:08:40.520 --> 01:08:44.560 of due diligence they did in writing that story. Are you aware of any 905 01:08:44.600 --> 01:08:48.720 authorities that have claimed that. No, And more so than that, I 906 01:08:48.800 --> 01:08:54.760 don't know how much you could take to heart reporting that doesn't source the original 907 01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:58.279 source r curial on it. They never contacted me even how I got it. 908 01:08:58.840 --> 01:09:00.640 And more so than that, Uh, you know, somebody goes and 909 01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:05.119 writes a thing about Kanye West or about uh, you know, opioids or 910 01:09:05.159 --> 01:09:08.720 whatever. Then the next thing they're writing a UFO report. There's not there's 911 01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:12.399 no expertise there to even know what they're looking at and what they're what they're 912 01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:15.000 reporting on, you know. So listen, I've reached out to them to 913 01:09:15.079 --> 01:09:18.560 try to see what the deal was with them not sourcing and like what they're 914 01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:21.880 reporting, and they'd never got back to me. Right, people in the 915 01:09:21.880 --> 01:09:26.920 CNN organization get back to me that aren't affiliated, wondering what the hell was 916 01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:29.800 going on with it because they don't know why they're not getting back to me 917 01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:31.640 and talking to me about it. Yeah, so it is what it is. 918 01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:34.079 Hey could have been a balloon, listen, could have been I mean, 919 01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:39.039 I know there's different testing down there that that do different types of weather 920 01:09:39.079 --> 01:09:42.960 balloons and payload balloons. But if it's over a certain size, FA has 921 01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:45.760 to know about it. And these guys that are especially some of the pilots 922 01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:48.800 that were flying, I think, have quite a few hours they could say, 923 01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:51.279 oh, you know, a balloon passed over us, you know, 924 01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:55.800 especially when they're looking for it. The second airplane actually was looking for this 925 01:09:55.880 --> 01:09:58.760 thing. It wasn't like it just happened, right, you know, And 926 01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:00.439 they didn't say it. So, I mean, my I would say in 927 01:10:00.520 --> 01:10:04.079 my gut it's possible, very possible, could have been a balloon, very 928 01:10:04.119 --> 01:10:08.680 possible, could have been something else. And I have to also underline that, 929 01:10:08.760 --> 01:10:12.239 like I say, between like White Sands, New Mexico, all the 930 01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:16.760 way over to the ranges in by Yuma and the Goldwater Range, there's so 931 01:10:16.880 --> 01:10:20.600 much military traffic in that area. But you do not fly a secret project 932 01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:24.800 during the middle of the day like that to move it around that it does 933 01:10:24.840 --> 01:10:27.439 not happen. If they want to move something like that, they do it 934 01:10:27.479 --> 01:10:30.760 at night and they just call it Ulfstream five and nobody knows the difference. 935 01:10:31.159 --> 01:10:35.439 Yeah, the other It's just I've found it frustrating that them for some reason, 936 01:10:36.159 --> 01:10:40.920 many times the mainstream media, when dealing with this topic don't find it 937 01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:45.760 necessary to do the due diligence they would do on any other story, and 938 01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:51.279 that their stories get tabloidsh where their accuracy is way off right and it's fantasy 939 01:10:51.319 --> 01:10:55.199 to them. So it doesn't matter, you know, it just doesn't matter 940 01:10:55.279 --> 01:10:58.840 to do that, you know. And so yeah, I mean it's very 941 01:10:58.880 --> 01:11:01.079 easy for the f say I'm probably a weather balloon. That's fine. I 942 01:11:01.079 --> 01:11:04.199 could say that too, but you know, it doesn't mean that it was, 943 01:11:04.279 --> 01:11:08.159 and it doesn't mean that it wasn't. But I don't, I don't. 944 01:11:08.319 --> 01:11:11.760 They never told me that. They mentioned that there's aircraft, they mentioned 945 01:11:11.800 --> 01:11:14.399 there's a lot of military traffic in that area they deal with all the time. 946 01:11:14.880 --> 01:11:16.359 They mentioned that there's weather balloons. To me, they mentioned a few 947 01:11:16.359 --> 01:11:18.640 different things, but they they said the same thing. They don't know, 948 01:11:18.840 --> 01:11:21.479 you know. So I don't know how it went from that to hey, 949 01:11:21.479 --> 01:11:26.600 it's a weather balloon, because they never gave you the identification or the origin 950 01:11:26.640 --> 01:11:30.640 of it or anything. So I don't know. Well, super interesting work 951 01:11:30.800 --> 01:11:35.119 out of time, of course, tyler Ty writes for the Drives the War 952 01:11:35.279 --> 01:11:41.079 Zone. I highly highly highly recommend that you follow his stories. I think 953 01:11:41.119 --> 01:11:45.039 they're fascinating. And of course people can follow you on Twitter as well, 954 01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:49.960 right yeah, just Aviation, Underscore, Intel, or just look at my 955 01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:53.319 name Tyler Rogaway. I'm right there on Twitter. We have a lot of 956 01:11:53.319 --> 01:11:56.359 fun on there, posts a lot of interesting stuff. And thanks for dealing 957 01:11:56.359 --> 01:11:59.119 with me today, guys. I've been having a cold, so I probably 958 01:11:59.159 --> 01:12:02.000 sound like I'm a I'm some sort of an alien creature myself, and I 959 01:12:02.039 --> 01:12:05.680 appreciate you guys dealing with that well. Thank you so much for being on 960 01:12:05.720 --> 01:12:10.359 the show. No worries, Thank you for having me. Thank you so 961 01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:14.439 much to ty for joining us on the show. I thought this was remarkable. 962 01:12:14.479 --> 01:12:18.159 It's excellent. We're so lucky to have someone like him serious and in 963 01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:25.319 the mainstream and with his experience in dealing with defense issues, interested in this 964 01:12:25.560 --> 01:12:30.600 topic and writing these incredible stories and finding these great cases from pilots and otherwise. 965 01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:34.119 It's incredible to hear that. You know, it's these pilots coming to 966 01:12:34.239 --> 01:12:41.720 him anonymously with these stories, so obviously these are things that impacted these pilots 967 01:12:42.079 --> 01:12:45.960 in a serious way where they couldn't figure out what was going on. And 968 01:12:45.239 --> 01:12:48.319 they want to share these stories. So it's great that Ty has been able 969 01:12:48.399 --> 01:12:56.319 to do more research and discover more and share and it's great to see you 970 01:12:56.359 --> 01:13:00.279 can hear that he has a passion for this topic as well. And you 971 01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:03.640 know, there's so many conspiracy theories about this and that, and people being 972 01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:08.439 in the media paid off or part of the government to hide things, or 973 01:13:08.520 --> 01:13:11.920 all these other wild things. But it's really not so much that. It's 974 01:13:11.920 --> 01:13:15.920 more, you know, being able to feel comfortable in a space, to 975 01:13:15.960 --> 01:13:19.279 feel like people are going to be accepting of what you're sharing, and hopefully 976 01:13:19.520 --> 01:13:26.520 we'ren't a point where the mainstream is more acceptable of these credible cases that do 977 01:13:26.600 --> 01:13:30.880 arise, so very exciting stuff. If you want to hear more about Tie 978 01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:33.239 or see his links to his stories, you can go to Open mindsat TV. 979 01:13:33.319 --> 01:13:36.079 You're going to see those in the headlines. I'll write more about these 980 01:13:36.119 --> 01:13:41.600 cases in the very near future, and all the stories that Martin and I 981 01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:45.439 talked about you can find there. Also the UFO Congress, there's some cool 982 01:13:45.840 --> 01:13:48.079 videos. You know, a lot of the lectures from that conference are being 983 01:13:48.119 --> 01:13:53.760 posted at the open at the UFO Congress video portals, so check that out. 984 01:13:53.840 --> 01:13:57.359 Just go to ufocongress dot com and you'll be able to see it there. 985 01:13:57.560 --> 01:14:00.800 Otherwise, stay tuned to Open mindsat TV for more episodes. So I 986 01:14:00.840 --> 01:14:05.039 want to thank Caleb Hanks for the opening and Close Music Systematics for the bumper 987 01:14:05.119 --> 01:15:00.399 music, and you the listeners. Until next time, Audio smooth Chacho's Moss