Hello, and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio. I'm your host, Alejandro
Rojas, and I am here uh joined by Martin uh techno Willis and no,
yeah, because you know, we're just talking tech and you you always
try to do these fancy high tech things with your show, which unfortunately often
end up in disaster. That is true, the work in progress. Those
that listen to my show, most people put up with it. Well they
should because it's where I'm putting up with. But yeah, and it's funny
because you know, when I join you on Wednesdays, I never know what's
going to happen. I don't know if we're going to be on time.
I don't know, you know, what's going to be going on. But
of course I always have fun either way. Yeah, yeah, it's always
great having you on, whether you appreciate the fun that I'm having or not.
I have fun. Oh that's good, glad at your expense. But
yeah, so that's and I have a surprise for you. Oh no,
okay, speaking of tech, I should say, and this is really fun.
And you know a lot of people say, oh, I'm traveling all
the time, or I'm vacationing. A lot of my travel has to do
with stories and writing, and I'll probably even be doing more of that because
I've you know, I told you about this. I started up this new
website called Modern American Dot News. I mean, it's not completely ready for
launch, but people can go there and read a lot of my stuff.
But I'm gonna have some other friends who are writers write on it. A
more official launch I'm gonna try to do by the end of the month.
Some of the people who wrote for Huffington Posts, like Mark D'Antonio or John
Alexander contributed on there once in a while, but they can't anymore, and
so they're gonna be posting on my site. So it's gonna be really cool,
just kind of a new news site, and it's just for kind of
light news, you know, fun stuff like all the space stuff I write
about, or I'm gonna write more travel stuff too, because I go to
so many places. So next week I'm gonna be at the NAB and the
National Association of Broadcasters Commends, which I believe is the largest conference in Vegas.
That or the Porn One. I'm not sure which, and I'm not
even kidding. I think those are literally the two biggest you don't hear much.
They combine the two, you know what I mean? Yeah, a
two for well, yeah, that's not a good idea. Yeah, so
to speak, they combined them because uh the or they don't combine them.
You got MAK the NAB you don't hear much of because it's mostly for kind
of industry people. It's it's radio and video. And by video, I
mean it's like television and you know, streaming and movies. So you have
all these audio and video and all the latest tech when it comes to all
of that stuff. It's really a majing, amazing kind of production. And
they have event production stuff, which of course Karen and I do in the
Congress. You know, we want to go look at Ida for that.
So I'll be in Vegas next week speaking of tech, looking at some cool
tech. But yeah, so maybe there's back with some ideas of things for
you to use that you can kind of entertain people with. That is amazing.
Now. I remember when you went out there a couple of years ago
and got the go pro, right, am I right about that? Oh?
I don't know that I've ever bought anything there. Often I get ideas
and sometimes I'll buy stuff later because I'll look for deals and usually find them
on Amazon, but I probably did some go pro footage from there before.
Now tell me the new website that you will be launching launching, will that
also have audio or video and or not currently? So we do have some
ideas to do some podcasts in the future, but not currently. So yeah,
you can get the idea if you go, if anybody goes there right
now Modern American Dot News. So I'll be talking more about that as time
goes on, and some of the cool stuff we'll be doing over there,
it will largely not be UFO related, but I'll hopefully have some other cool
news about writing opportunities I have also in the near future, so I'll let
people know about that exciting stuff ahead. That is, including my guest for
the show. I'm waiting, and I know you'll be surprised by this and
hopefully jealous. That's my goal, is Samiki jealous because you do that to
me sometimes and it's what it's all about. If you had gotten this guy,
I would have been jealous, and you know you and I think alike
often with guests, so luckily you didn't ask him first. But my guest,
let's see if you recognize a name, if you don't recognize the name,
you'll recognize who he is, which is the exciting part. His name
is Tyler Rogaway. Do not recognize, But I did some an email before
you I try to get him as a guest. Not just kidding. No,
I don't know who he is. Now he goes by ty and he
is the guy who broke the story for the big story you want to talk
about I know right now, which is this this pilot sighting over Arizona and
New Mexico. Oh all right, so that's great. Yeah, yeah,
this is super exciting for several reasons. First of all, because it's a
big story and it's all over the media, so that's exciting. The other
reason is that he is a journalist, and I love speaking with journalists,
you know. That's why I created this modern American dot news because me and
my journalist friends, you know, love to share stories, and so this
gave us a place to do that. And he's an aviation He mostly writes
about defense, and you know, we've talked about this before. I think
when we've talked about this story is out was broke by this way website called
The Drive and Tyler or Tie as he likes to go, buy rights for
this section called the war zone, which is defense. And it's cool.
I mean, it's all what skunk Works is up to. Skunk Works,
of course, being part of Laheed Martinett developed the SR seventy one and South
and they work out of Area fifty one. So he's been writing about all
this stuff for a while, and lately he's written about UFOs. Because this
is another reason that it's so exciting to talk to him right now. He
actually had a story that he wrote before this one that's making the big news.
That's an even better UFO siding with more witnesses with radar. This happened
over California and Oregon. And we'll talk to him about this, but you
guys have to get yourself familiar with it, because this is an even better
story. So I actually started writing stories about these last week and and I
decided, you know what, I'm going to try to get a hold of
this guy. I would just love to talk to him. And luckily he
responded quickly and we were able to arrange as quickly. So to me,
this is one of my most exciting interviews in quite some time, along with
like Alezondo, I love to talk to people in the mainstream get their perspective
as to why they don't cover typically cover UFOs and you know, in this
case, why they feel more he feels more comfortable doing that and his experience
doing that and talking with and working with the government or military people about this
topic. And I think everybody's going to find a lot of what he has
to say very interesting. Wow, this is one I can all wait to
listen to. Actually, m Yeah, you know, this is one of
the benefits from Elizondo coming out about the Department of Defense because now more and
more people are professionals are feeling more comfortable talking about, you know, their
interest or work in this arena. One of the listeners to my show We're
Friends on Facebook and he was starting a UFO show, a podcast. He
had it all lined up and he's a tennis coach and at a high school
and he has to disclose anything he's doing outside of you know, work,
and they said, no way, you can't do it. So I was
kind of surprised. I would think that more people would be and he was
a high school teacher. He's a high school coach, a tennis coach,
That's ridiculous, isn't it. And I, you know, I would think
that after the Pentagon, I wrote him. I said, even after the
Pentagon, you know, came out and said they had a secret program studying
UFOs, I still feel that way. And yes, they don't want anything
to do with it. Wow, that's very frustrating. That's that's absolutely ridiculous.
That's too bad for him. Yeah, that's really too bad. I
know, shocking, shocking. So let's get into the news and I know
part of your news about this very story that Tie is responsible for breaking,
which unfortunately a lot of news outlets have not given him credit for yes,
breaking this story. Well, I've got this story off of ABC News and
they did indeed credit his work, not him in particular, but they did
credit the site they sourced it. So, two pilots on different aircraft reported
having a close encounter with a mysterious object flying high above the Arizona above Arizona
last month, According to the Federal Aviation Administration, the sighting occurred within minutes
of each other on the afternoon of February twenty fourth, some forty thousand feet
above southern Arizona near New Mexico. Border, and ABC News obtained the audio
recording of the conversation between the pilots and the Albuquerque Air Root Traffic Control Center
released by the FAA. The recording was first reported by the war Zone.
Of course, that's also part of the time time in the drive Bige.
Any Yeah, that is and uh so, anyway, I was going to
play is it? Is it all right if I play the recording for the
people who haven't heard it. Yeah, that's great. I think that's a
great idea because during the interview I didn't get to I thought that would be
kind of something neat to do. But of course, as it is with
great interviews at the time flew, so I didn't get a chance to do
that. So I'm glad you're doing this so people can be more familiar with
what we'll be talking about. Okay, so it's just under a minute.
It's going to go right now above us thirty seconds ago for someone top of
bell negative the UFO. Yeah, American ten ninety five. Let me know
if you see anything pass over you here in the next fifteen miles, you
know, something passes over American ten ninety five affirmative. We had an aircraft
in front of you. That's a thirty seven. I reported something passed over
him and we didn't have any targets. So just let me know if you
see anything pass over you, Hey's murder ten n five. Yeah, something
just passed over find out. I don't know what it was, at least
two three thousand feet above us. See I passed out over thought of okay,
American ten nightty five. Thank you fuddy. So that's it pretty interesting
in that little blurb. Huh. Yeah. This is some new news also
that has come about since my interview. I interviewed ty just yesterday. But
this is a news story and that one of those pilots that we just heard
actually spoke to their local paper. And let's see, this is in Texas,
so one of those pilots was from Texas, and here's what he said.
He said that Albuquerque Center asked us if we could look and just be
on the lookout and see if we see anything. So you heard that where,
you know, the Albuquerque Center had said, hey, does anybody see
this? So the pilot said he looked, and sure enough, he saw
something that was about two to three thousand feet above him. He said it
was very bright, but if it wasn't so bright that you couldn't look at
it. You know, you almost wanted to look at it to try to
figure out what it was. It didn't look like anything like an airplane.
You know, most airplanes you're going to see some kind of wing surface,
some type of tail. Really, no matter what type of airplane it is,
he continued, what is weird about it? Normally, if you have
an object and the sun is shining this way, the reflection would be on
this side. But this was all the way around. It was so bright
that you really couldn't make out what shape it was. He said. He
wasn't scared, he was just really fascinated trying to figure out what the heck
it was. Wow, that is something else. Yeah, and you also
heard in there some people thinking, you know, they said maybe it's a
balloon, and one of the pilots said doubtful. And of course we'll hear
your ties experience with uh, this idea of a balloon, but they've they've
mostly ruled it out the balloon explanation. So, yeah, this was an
an interesting sighting and it's been all over the place CNN, ABC, I
assume Fox has had it. But yeah, it's even in the news today.
If you go look at UFO, there's there's tons of stories on this
sighting. Right, And again, just like you said, I think that
there the media is much more app to report on something like this and take
it seriously and not play that silly music or whatever it is they usually do,
right, right, Yeah, they are taking this one much more seriously,
which is great. It really just feels like a turning point where at
least for now, you know, there's a little bit of this window to
take this stuff seriously. You know what's frustrating, And it's almost like by
design, and I don't know what it is. There's another kind of phenomena
and I just got to point it out because it is one of the struggles
that goes on in this field. It almost seems like many in the UFO
field, UFO quote unquote researchers and I'm not going to name names, but
they're kind of fighting that this trend for this, you know, taking UFO
seriously, you know, tooth and nail, which is unfortunate, and I
think they just kind of feel territorial and they don't like it when CNN or
Fox News or other are covering this because and so what they do is they
kind of double down on the crazy or maybe I shouldn't say crazy, but
at least unsubstantiated, more fringe type of ideas. And it's unfortunate because I
think that all of this headway that's been made, hopefully these people will feel
strongly enough to continue taking this topic seriously. But you know, when people
are so fervently attached to some of these real more speculative ideas and they really
reach out and push their ideas, you know, again, if they get
when they get a lot of attention, then it makes people feel like,
wow, you know, this is just there's too much goofiness here. I
just don't want my name attached to it. And to god, it's those
people, in my opinion, are doing things for the wrong reasons. You
know, they're they're involved in it for the wrong reason obviously if it if
it's if they need to somehow fulfill something on their own that they're not getting
and causing that, then you know they're not doing it for the right reason.
And and it's great. I think you know, a lot of this
also is related to this idea of kind of this territorial uh type of issue
where people kind of want to have their own information in their own you know,
kind of gather it and keep it to themselves and as opposed to being
more cooperative. And I think it's just so cool and so amazing to have
all of these great people like elizond or some of the other TTSA people,
the people that you know, Tom Delong's working with, and uh, some
of these journalists. It's great to have their input and help in looking into
these sorts of things because you know, like like anything, it takes all
types. And I know I talked to some of these people, like talking
to Ty, you know, I understand his perspective. I've heard his perspective
before. And these, in my opinion, are people who would be open
to whatever turns out to be, uh, the nature of the phenomena,
as long as they have evidence to support that. I would have never guessed,
you know a few months ago that you know, certain figures in the
news are actually taking this serious and doing such great reporting on it. Yeah,
I agree, comes to like Don Lemon and you know, seeing uh
Fox actually had some a couple of really good interviews, So yeah, I
mean kudos to them. Yeah, I agree. One thing that still needs
to happen, and I think this education is still happening, is detaching that
that term aliens from the term uf UFO is unidentified, not necessarily alien.
And unfortunately, even I think don Lemon are some of these others, you
know, just because these people are saying they're investigating UFOs, they immediately say,
why do you think there are aliens? Why do you think aliens are
visiting us? And it's like, you know, and we just have to
educate them. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that we
have, you know, aircraft that is demonstrating characteristics that are demonstrating characteristics that
are don't appear to be along the lines of anything that we can do currently,
and so we don't know what these are. So I think as more
and more people hear that, So yeah, right, hey, did you
did you read it's posted on your website as a link. How Seth Shostak
is it's saying in Newsweek that he's he's debunked the latest video, but he
doesn't really in the article, doesn't really say that. It just says that
it's not real convincing, That's all he says. But did you see what
video that was? No, oh, I never clicked that link. No,
which one is that? So it's a video from this guy, Jason
Gleaves and it's on the website UFO only, So it's like, who cares,
you know, it's it's such it's kind of frustrating. So SETI scientist
debunk's latest UFO footage. They go online, they choose some random, crappy
UFO video from YouTube, because of course YouTube is full of these videos that
show up every day, and Sesshostak debunks it big deal. We do that
every day on our shows, you know, for better or worse, because
there's so many bad videos out there. So it's kind of frustrating because it
is big. Yeah, exactly why would they do that? Now, if
he had something to add to some of these videos that are coming from the
Department of Defense, that would be you know, then we would have something
to argue about and something actually worth writing about. But say that's I'll pardon
me, I'm gonna say that's clickbait. Yeah, in stream major magazine.
Yeah, because it's really an effort and futility. It adds nothing to nothing.
Okay, So people post really bad UFO videos on YouTube we knew that
there's that's not changing, that's not really adding to the conversation, right right,
Yeah, so I'm frustrated. Yeah, I did have that one up.
And that is kind of interesting that that they chose to do it that
way, because I, like you, was thinking, oh, you know
what he must be talking about this third video released by the bad DP.
Read it through. Now I see what you're saying. Yeah, so that
is not it those goofballs. Yeah, so one more thing, if I
don't mind if I bring it up this up, I noticed that the Chinese
the space station did not land on anyone's head. I don't know if you
guess first. The odds of it was you had a thousand times more of
a chance winning the power balls. That was according to one of the scientists
than landing on you. Oh really, that's hilarious. So and yeah,
luckily if people didn't hear about this, Chinese had a space station up there,
that small one. It was only like two modules, and like most
space stations. We even did this with the Skylab. You know, they
just decided to burn it up in the atmosphere and cross their fingers that no
chunk of it hit any people. But luckily, I guess this thing did
mostly burn up in the atmosphere over the Pacific Ocean. And of course,
with seventy percent of the the planet being ocean, they can bet that most
likely they're going to land over the ocean and no one will get hurt.
But yeah, burned up. Probably no pieces might have not even made it
to the planet because they said it mostly burnt all up. But yeah,
so that was I worried about it, and hardly nothing to worry about.
I mean, the odds are so low, but you never know. There
might be like a dolphin out there wearing an ice pack or something. Yeah,
you never know. And the last thing we only have a minute,
but I'll say it really quick, is that there's another story won by news
or about people in Chili being so upset about people digging up these skeletons,
especially fetuses in the desert and then claiming that they're alien, Like it's happened,
you know, recently, and we've seen stuff in the news. And
the way I make an analogy because people are like, well what if it
is an alien? Well, you know, how would you like someone coming
to your families, you know, a graveyard and digging up fetuses or anything
that they think is weird, and just because they think it's weird, claiming
it's alien or a hybrid human alien, you probably wouldn't like that. Yeah,
good point. All right, we are all out of time. Thanks
for joining us. Martin, thank you. And of course this is Martin
from podcast UFO, so check him out. After the break, we will
be back with Tie from the Drive the war Zone section. So super excited
to talk to Tye. This is really great. I'm so happy he could
participate. So after the break we'll be back with Tie. For those of
you listening on KGr, you'll hear a few commercials. To those of you
listening on the podcast will hear a short musical interlude. We'll be right back.
Welcome to Open Mind GFO Radio. My name is Alejandro Rojas, and
I'm very excited to have a defense reporter, Tyler Rogaway. And of course
we've talked recently about this sighting over Arizona and New Mexico by these pilots,
and the guy who did the research to break this story even without credit from
all these mainstream media sources is Tyler Roguaway. So I'm very excited to talk
to him. Welcome to the show, Tyler Gay. Great to be with
you, and you go by ty Is that what I should call you?
Yeah, Okay, it's up to you, your choice. Okay, great.
Now I want to get into the details of these cases that you've reviewed,
but I know we're gonna get swept away with all those details. It'll
be really exciting because they are exciting. But so first I want to talk
a little bit about you and your perceptions of kind of the whole UFO phenomena.
But yeah, if you could give us a little bit of background.
Yeah, I'm you know, I do defense reporting, you know, specializing
in air warfare, but we do everything you know, cyber or everything else.
So we don't really report on, you know, the the classical UFO
anything. I mean, it doesn't really exist. We do a lot of
secretive projects and stuff, but we don't have that overlap usually. But I'll
tell you anybody that's in the aerospace world, especially in journalism, and we'll
tell tells you that they have no interest in the you know, legacy of
UFOs and the whole history that goes along with it is lying to you.
It's you know, it's an interesting thing, even just for the sake of
lower and intrigue. Okay, so I followed it very closely. You know,
all my years, since I was a kid, you know, I'd
known the main sightings and the main you know experiences that that people talk about,
at least the ones that seems the most credible, and you know,
I keep those kind of in my back pocket because a lot of times when
people see things in the sky, it could potentially be maybe not a you
know, outer space craft, but maybe something the government is is testing that
we don't know about. So there's there is a good spill over there that
you know that I have to keep an eye on at all times beyond just
my own interests. That being said, I'm an aviation photographer. I've pointed
very long lenses up to the sky for years and years and years, and
I've never seen one thing that I couldn't explain. And I've been on most
of the basis that people report that there's you know, secret drones flying out
of and you know, aliens and everything else, you know, and I've
never seen one thing that was out of place in fact or anything. But
so, you know, bottom line is the hyperbole that goes along with this
subject. The fact that there's a that there seems to be a phenomenon where
many people just want to be a part of it in some ways so badly
that anything they see is a UFO or a secret government conspiracy against them or
whatever really hurts. Kind of the good reports that we do have that have
multiple witnesses that aren't explained, and that we know that the government is even
interested in as well. So that's kind of where I stand on it.
You know, it's kind of a love hate relationship. But I love the
history. I love the lore of it. I just wish that it was
taken more seriously by the people that go out there and report it. The
other thing I have to say is there's a lot of people that do this
work in this particular segment of information, if you will, that make a
career out of perpetuating nothing but lies and bs, and they are on the
History Channel every day they're on TV. They've done a great job of creating
a little cottage industry about about something that a lot of people are interested in.
But the sad thing is it does nothing but disservice because they don't try
to disprove anything. They just want more material to simp out and try to
you know, line their pockets, and that's sad mm hmm. Yeah,
And I'm glad that you're saying this because I think it's important for people to
remember and to hear perspectives from people like you who work, you know,
writing about defense, to hear that you know how damaging that other stuff,
other material can be, and but that you know there are a number of
people like yourself that do take it seriously. Yeah, I mean there's like,
just for instance, I get stuff sent to me all the time,
right, not just what people see in the sky or reports or anything else,
but just like even weird UFO videos on YouTube and stuff. I mean,
just randomly because the reporting I've done in the segment in that in the
area, but you know it justly. A couple of days ago, I
saw a YouTube video about some old guy, old man that was asked that
he was dying, and he's giving a kind of a recollection of you know,
him being part of all these secret programs and the UFOs in the nineteen
fifties and sixties, and you know, the guy that I'm not gonna name
names, and I don't even know the guy's name. I just noticed him
from being on all over the TV for the last years on the History Channel
and discovering everything else was interviewing this guy, and this guy was spouting nothing
but bs and was that the timeline didn't even make any sense. The stuff
he talked about actual military capabilities was not accurate at all. So the guy
was it was full of it. It was just a fake deal, right,
And the person that was doing an interview, which knows more about probably
all that than I do, clearly could easily debunk it. But that wouldn't
make for a good YouTube video. This is just a little microcosm where I
think one of the major problems is with the study of this, this potentially
very real phenomenon and kind of why we've been stuck probably in the same place
for so many years without moving it forward in any significant way. M hm,
Well, it's easy to make assumption and a lot of people do that.
It's harder to do what scientists do. Uh, you know, the
rigor of it and what you do or journalists do, and and like you
said, you know, when you look into the details, the timelines just
don't work, let alone. Uh, you know, if you if you
look into the projects they're referring to, or the places nothing pans out,
but people want to believe so badly that when you tell people that, because
that's how I feel often telling people, well, the timelines don't work out,
this doesn't work, and they just seem to get upset with you.
Yeah, very much so. And even people send me, you know,
I mean, I got a rash of emails after the first report I did,
but the organ UFO, I mean hundreds, and people are sending me
all these different things. And I loved I love to interact with my audience,
so that's great, you know. But people say, hey, I've
been shooting these objects. I've been you know, I'm tap photographer with it
high end gear. I you know, I want to share these with you.
And I'd say, oh, hey, you know, love to take
a look. Just heads up, I'm gonna be honest with you. You
know, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna play along. Oh yeah, of
course, you know. It sends me the pictures and I'm like, hey,
listen, this is just you know, X, Y and Z.
I've seen it in my own images. I can know exactly what's going on
with your camera. Why you're getting these images and you know, they come
back and you know, call your name, swear at you and right,
so listen, that's that's anything in life when it comes to journalism, right,
you know, some people just want to leave what they want to believe.
But it's tough with a subject that's already so dismissed where you have such
a you know, the most fantastical viewpoints get the most airtime, right,
And like I say, that's what really hurts us when we do have good
reports, and we do have people doing good work and are interested in this
segment, and that could maybe move it forward, you know, as far
as the discussion goes. But we're kind of still, I think, stuck
in that fantasy realm. And that's too bad. Now looking at you or
the website that you write for The Drive, I did look through for other
UFO stories, and it looks like your story back in November about this Oregon
incident was the first one. That your latest two stories actually were the only
ones take the UFO it seems. And this Oregon when of course, deals
with an unknown unidentified aircraft. So yeah, like you said, this isn't
kind of a realm that The Drive dives into. Often and is do you
feel more empowered or more emboldened to be able to write on this topic given
the recent revelations from the Department of Defense. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean,
we want to publish our first report on the Oregon deal back in you
know, mid early to mid November. Can'tra have the exact date. But
and then the you know, the about the threat program from Pentagon came out.
Multiple sources reported it on a weekend in mid December, and once that
happened, a lot of people really link the two kind of together, not
just because they're related really you know, necessarily at least, but because they're
both kind of like one was directly from the Pentagon, proving maybe that my
report had a little bit more weight to it than not, considering that they're
so interested in this, they're paying millions of dollars to still research this,
and this is a program that we know about. You know, what don't
we know about obviously is the big question. And yeah, it really helped
out. So when we did our follow up on that original report, which
had all the audio from the FA the phone calls and everything, the response
was even i would say even better from it, not just in traffic,
but in people really engaging in the content, trying to learn more, trying
to kind of make up their own opinion at what they were hearing. And
obviously the one with this lyrigjet and this airbus over Nevada or excuse me Arizona.
I mean that thing has gone on every single outlet around the world.
So I have definitely seen an increase in interest and in the let me put
it this way, in the mainstream media's willingness to report on some of these
incidents since that report came out from the about the Defensive Partments Threat Analysis Project.
Yeah, you know, because one thing that's been interesting is that and
you probably know this, for decades, we've had issue incidents where jets are
scrambled and they just don't know what's going on. Anecdotally, those of us
who look into them know that some of the pilots and witnesses are you know,
completely amazed by the occurrence. But it's still difficult to get the media
to pay attention because they want to hear from you know, the guy with
the goofy hair who's on the History Channel, or they want to hear some
of these more sensational type stories. But it is great that stories like yours,
now, the more credible ones, seem to be being taken more seriously
by the media. Yeah, I agree, and it makes my job easier
too, because when, like, for instance, when I picked up the
phone to the FAA to try to get that that audio released for the leer
Gen incident over Arizona, you know, we had to go through a long
Floyer process, not that long, but it was a little bit involved to
get them about the first incident for to have the fa released the information.
You know, when I called the second time, they were much more you
know, easy going about it. They were fine, They said, hey,
we'd be happy to release it because you know, it's out there.
It was on you know, open radio communications and they didn't even know what
it happened until I alerted to the kind of the time frame that it did
and they were able to look into it. So yeah, definitely see a
little bit changes there, and it's a positive thing. But we'll be sustained,
you know, I don't know, right, And that's one of the
the most exciting part for me because like you said, you know, I've
called the FAA on different situations and they don't even want to discuss it.
They're like, you know, call these civilian organizations that deal with this,
and these are people typically who you know, they've just got a website and
they're posting sightings. They're certainly not people who are doing any sort of serious
investigation. Although sometimes they would refer you to Big Low Aerospace, which was
doing secret or serious information, but they weren't really sharing any of their results.
But yeah, to see that, you know, they were so open
with you, and it seems any other media outlet that has requested this audio
has been a big change in how they've handled this situation in the past.
I thought so too, And before with the Oregon event, I was able
to pull pieces of the audio and show it to them, and you know
that I already had it and we just wanted more, right, That was
the kind of the initiative that we were putting in front of of saying we
want more audio. We've got fifteen minutes, so they could deny that that
something happened. Okay, well this one, you know, I had a
forensic put together basically kind of a where these airplanes weren't in space and time
and you know it was and this just came off the Arizona one was just
a tip from a pilot that was in the area that overheard some communications,
and you know I didn't I barely. I didn't really have an exact time
for you to be a with. So we spent you know, days putting
it together and then presenting it to the FAA. And they could have just
said, hey, pow, you know, we don't have put it through
FOYA, we're not going to look for the audio. But they weren't.
There was a great guy at Albuquerque Center who said, hey, happy to
help you. Let's go. Well, we'll look for it, and he
gave me the backstory and released it within you know, just I would say
twenty four or forty eight hours I had that tape. So yeah, that
is a change. I don't know if that's because I got the right guy
or the circumstances were different in the Arizona one. You know, F fifteen's
weren't scrambled, they weren't on the emergency network talking to each other the whole
time, so there isn't any of that sensitivity. But still it was much
different. You know, it was a much different deal. I mean on
the Oregon one, the FA it took a week for them to get back
to me period, and by the time that they finally did, I had
already gotten the confirmation from Norad that the event took place. So a very
different experience, you know, I can't exactly tell why, but it does
seem like there's some change there. Yeah, that's amazing. That's that's just
your experience is amazing because even with Norrad, you know, Norrad and FAA
or the two that typically you run into these brick walls in the past,
but it seems like there's at least a little bit of opening up. And
I did want to touch on one more thing before we get into these cases
we've been referring to. Is this, uh, the secretive projects that you
also follow and write about, because that's that's kind of another funny area when
it comes to UFOs. One thing that I've always reminded people is that even
if we've even if something is after an investigation, is determined to be unidentified,
Uh, there's no doubt a large percentage of those are just aircraft that
we're not aware that they exist, you know, secretive aircraft, unmanned,
droned, who knows, other you know, high performance aircraft being worked on
out of Area fifty one or elsewhere. And it's kind of a lot of
the researchers or the field kind of lend a blind the eye to that fact.
They get so excited that identify or come to a conclusion of unidentified that
once they do, and even if they substantiate that, so quick to look
at other explanations other than the obvious that these could be top secret aircraft,
right, and if you look at like, well, first we know this
from you know, the past, the CIA and everything else, and the
Air Force, the SR seventy one, Blackbird, the U two, and
you know, even other platforms were largely the cause of a bunch of reports
for over a period of time in the fifties and sixties, so we know
that that was the case. Now fast forward to the nineteen eighties, where
you have an introduction of flying wings, you know, via the B two
in the late eighties, and obviously some test articles that probably existed before that
airframe was actually rolled out, you know that we'll never know of, you
know, a flying wing in general. And this is a lot of the
higher end on that combat air vehicles which are called ucabs. They're like fighter
size tactical aircraft. Okay, these aren't like predator drones or reaper drones.
These are jet powered flying wings. If you look at any flying wing,
if you view it from different angles, it looks totally different. If you
view it head on, it looks like a big you know, like a
thin wedge flying at you. If you view it from the side, it
looks exactly like a flying saucer. Exactly. I mean, it's like one
flying saucer if you view it edge on. If you look down the wing
and then from underneath, it looks like some bat from another planet, you
know, so some mechanical bat shaped objects. So us that alone, you
know, something to take into account. And that is an area, especially
in the UCAB space on that common air Vehicle space is an area that is
a lot of developments going on behind closed doors. That technology was proven in
the two thousands. It was the largest revelation in air warfare since the jet
engine. And it just totally disappeared by the end of that decade. And
now the Air Force won't even discuss it. It's like it doesn't even so.
I mean, the Navy has played around with it. We've seen them
land the x forty seven to B demonstrator, which is like a flying wing
from Northwark grumming on their aircraft carriers. They've done an aerror refueling with that
same system, but that's it. And so you know, this incredible new
breakthrough which could replace a lot of the missions that shorter range fighter aircraft do
that are man fighters that are much more expensive, and you know, you
lose them, you lose a pilot and enemy territory, on and on.
They could replace a lot of those aircraft for a lot less money and more
efficiently. And when you network work them together in swarms, you know,
of six to ten to twelve aircraft, they can react potentially faster than the
enemy can and break his decision cycle. So you're seeing a leap in a
potential massive leap in technology and air combat capability that is obviously very attractive,
but we don't hear anything about. So when you look at the night sky
and you see something weird or you know, you see something that is maybe
not you know, easily explained, especially in an area where there's test ranges,
you know, over the Gulf of Mexico obviously Nevada, Arizona, New
Mexico, Utah those areas. You know, there's a good chance that that
might be just a exotic looking airplane that is guess what underneath its incredible skin.
It's got a jet engine, it's got some computers that fly, some
landing gear in a weapons bay. You know, it's not that crazy of
a machine. So definitely a lot of stuff going on there. And that's
the lower end of the high tech space, you know, the very future,
bleeding edged stuff. You know, that's almost too hard to predict what's
going on there because it's for all we know, you know, especially you
read like Ben Rich's book that you know he built that F one seventeen and
was a big guy at skunk Works with after Kelly Johnson and did his run
there. You know, he says that it's there. They're like so far
out in advanced on the bleeding edge stuff, and some of that technology we
may never see. It could be buried for decades before it ever comes to
pass. And I don't know if you've seen this, but I've seen this,
especially in this arena. A lot of times files get lost and or
possibly destroyed, and so there are many projects I believe in the past,
you know, by working on FOYA and these instances where files are destroyed or
lost, and some of these projects will just never come to like because nobody
even remembers they happened. Yeah, and you know, it's funny you mentioned
that because I was the guy that sort of had a going release a bunch
of stuff about Quiet Bird, which was a stale the designed aircraft from like
the nineteen early sixties, late fifties before there was Stilth before we even you
know, pre dates at least a decade and a half before we started seeing
Lockeed Martin and all the other guys go and start to have Blue and the
F one seventeen, et cetera. So, you know, and when I
went and we did this, even Boeing said they are missing a bunch of
the records of what happened where it ended up. You know, that's part
of it too. And also the airframes themselves when they're done with them.
You know, it's widely known that they've been just buried in the desert.
They just bury them out there. There's there's for them to store them.
There's not enough room, and they don't want to like militarize them or you
know, there's no way to really release them into the public domain. So
they just bury them, you know, and that's it. So listen,
we just know the tiny I do this full time, Okay, we just
know of the tiny, tiny tip of the iceberg over about what's been tested
out there for the last thirty years. So that's a that's an intriguing thought,
you know. I mean, that's an amazing thing. But something to
keep in mind. When you look up with the night sky, it's jumping
to oh my gosh, that doesn't look like a normal plane. So maybe
it's it's it's got to be from another world or something else. You know,
there's a lot that we don't know, and to the untrained eye,
normal planes can look really weird under certain circumstances as well. M That's why
it's so interesting, I think, you know, even though we don't have
the details of the investigations that the Pentagon conducted to come to the conclusion that
some of these objects that they observed were unknown, they did say they concluded
these also were not top secret exotic aircraft. So I mean, that holds
a lot of weight when it's coming from from the Department of Defense. At
least they have you know, they have come to the conclusion unit that they
have been able to rule them out in their investigation. Yeah. But I
got to say this about that too, is that at one time we hear
that at the same time, you know, just recently putin did his you
know, little show of his super weapons he's building to try to basically,
you know, render our defenses or missile defenses useless. Okay. And one
of the things that he was he you know, revealed which was new to
us, new to me who does this exclusively and my colleagues, was a
nuclear power cruise missile that has been you know, and that they showed pictures
of kind of what its pro profile would be and fly halfway around the world
at low altitude at high speed. That's a really great point. And Chris
Mellan, the guy who worked for intelligence who wrote this Washington Post piece recently
with the recent video that came out with a Department of Defenses program, he
made the point that these are the reasons why we still don't know exactly everything
the Russians and Chinese have. That's why we need to be looking and paying
attention to these unidentified sidings, right. And that's and so I'm you know,
in retrospect. I'm looking at that, I'm thinking, okay, but
maybe they haven't tested it. Now then we're just right after that we hear
that they our intelligence agencies have watched them test these crafts and they failed,
supposedly, But it means it's a real project. It's not just a PowerPoint
demonstration. This is something that they're investing money and test flying. Okay.
So I'm not saying that that was what those f eighteen saw. Okay,
I'm not. I'm not trying to make any conclusions. I'm just trying to
say that there's a lot going on in the non traditional propulsion. And that
doesn't mean electromagnetic you know, like anti gravity. Okay, this means like
nuclear propulsion and when it comes to hypersonics, you know, things that can
fly with in our atmosphere at mock six plus. So what I'm trying to
say to your to your listeners are is this, excuse me, the world
that you look at. So let's say the sky that you look at,
that world, that kind of that atmosphere that we see every day, and
the things that fly through that atmosphere. It's changing the profiles of those things
that are man made. The flight profiles are now morphing. There's going to
be new potential things to be seen in the sky. And these things cover
a lot of range really fast, so you know, it's just something to
keep in mind when you see something strange and it doesn't even fit any of
your explanations. We are now moving into realms of flight that we haven't before
on an operational basis, and that means we're going to be seeing some things
we've probably never seen before. Mm hmm. So we got to go to
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Rogueaway And before you left, just the last thing to touch on before we
get into the cases. You talked about, you know, this new Russian
program that we just found out about about these nuclear powered cruise missiles, and
I was reading one of your stories. I believe it was your story.
At least it was on the drive about Lockheed is working on these fusion essentially
engines where you could have craft in the air all day for months or years.
Yeah, this has been a story. You know. They promoted this
potential fusion reactor project that they're working on. This is the skunkworks, say,
people that brought us stealth technologies we know it today, you know,
and the s R seventy one, et cetera, were looking on this thing.
And this is like a generator, you know, it's like a nuclear
generator that can power a city, you know, a small city, or
it can be potentially loaded onto an aircraft, built into an aircraft and replaced
satellites, you know, indefinite sort of range aircraft, that sort of thing.
And so this is publicized in like twenty fourteen, they did kind of
a big release on it that they're working on. And of course this is
like almost free energy. Okay, so this is beyond game changing. This
isn't just cool airplanes. This is like the end of fossil fuels potentially as
we know it. Okay. I mean it's a big deal, you know,
so you know, and it kind of been it's been very quiet since
then, and we a friend of a colleague of ours over at flight Global,
Stephen Trimble, he did a post on Twitter talking about a patent he
had found of this reactor that had just been issued, and so we obviously
looked into it and it was pretty fascinating that they have received a patent on
it and it seems to be moving forward. We don't know, you know,
there's there's other programs too internationally that are trying to achieve this capability,
but we don't know how, you know, far along they are. It's
gone, like I say, quite pretty quiet. But it's a story that
we're definitely looking into. After we did that original post on the patent,
m now getting into these stories, these essentially UFO stories. Of course UFOs,
you're using the term as the Air Force invented determined of course, as
I use the term as unidentified flying objects not necessarily you know, extraterrestrial in
nature. But your story, this one from Oregon in California, this incident
that happened in October. Even though this recent story you wrote about Arizona is
getting a lot of the press, this Oregon, California one is pretty much
is more exciting because jets were actually scrambled, and there were a lot more
people involved, witnesses, So maybe you can describe what happened right, and
you're one hundred percent right on that. It is night and day part of
the years. The story this is, and from what I can tell,
it's documented in such a way that I've never seen before for a quote unquote
UFO event. But what happened was, just to break it down simply,
is on October twenty fifth, over northern California Oakland Center, the radar controllers
spotted a aircraft moving at very very high speed and we don't know exactly how
high speed it is, but you can listen to controller sock about it.
It wasn't normal, okay, to the south, and then all of a
sudden, this object, this craft takes a hard left turn to the north,
and by this time we got controllers both in Oregon and from Oakland Center
talking about like, what the heck is this? And it was not.
It showed up on a radar just at the beginning during that high speed run
to the south, and then after that, once it turned north, it
disappeared. And it just doesn't disappear intermittently Okay, we're talking about over hundreds
of miles and you know, forty minutes of time. This thing never showed
back up on a radar again, nor did it have a transpounder working.
There is some confusion that potentially it was giving a transpounder code for a moment,
but we still haven't been able to work that out that from when it
was originally spotted. So I'm kind of pushing that off because it's it's still
hard to figure out exactly what was going on there. It definitely wasn't mentioned
again after Okay, and so this thing's heading north and it's not communicating with
radar radio either with air traffic control, and so these controllers just spotted this
are kind of dumbfounded, and they just kind of go to who's in the
area locally that could spot it, you know, what aircraft are flying through
that very busy corridor that goes between Seattle and you know, California basically,
I mean it's that's a really packed corridor of airplanes every day all day,
you know, And so they ask a pilot kind of went around Crater Lake.
Southern Oregon is kind of where we're at, you know, spatially now,
at this point in time, and they say, hey, can you
see an aircraft of any sort off here, you know, like one or
two o'clock in front of you, And you can kind of tell they're asking
this, probably not thinking they're going to get any report back, you know.
And the pilot says, yep, I got him right there. I
see him. He's out there. He's about this, maybe a couple thousand
feet higher than we are, so between about thirty seven and thirty nine thousand
feet we're talking here, okay, So not some piper cub that's gotten lost.
This is the high performance airplane that's actually out pacing the seven thirty sevens
that are flying around it. Okay. And then we get another pilot that
gets called out boom he sees it, and then another one, so we
have like three airplanes that have are seamless thing, and it keeps going.
It continues on all the way up to the LaMotte Valley, and these airplanes
have to start descending into Portland, so they lose and it's you know,
the sun's going down now, it's getting dark, you know, to go
around suns that time, and so eventually they lose sight of it as they
descended to Portland, their national airport. About this same period of time,
F fifteens could scrambled out of Portland, which we have an incredible unit out
of one of the best F fifteen squadrons of the world is based there.
Okay, so with very power, upgraded aircraft, the best equipment really kind
of on and F fifteen that you can have, and they get launched out
and to look for him, this unidentified object. And there's some confusion of
which direction they go, but regardless, bottom line is they couldn't find it.
They couldn't find him, they couldn't see where, you know, from
the last point where it was being reported. These aircraft sended into Portland to
maybe fifteen or twenty minutes later, when the air these F fifteens were up,
this object was gone for all means and purposes. And what's so fascinating
beyond just the incident I've explained, is that we have not just the radio
traffic that goes for you know, I don't know, forty five minutes total
maybe on this thirty five minutes total and constant, okay about this sighting,
continuous sighting and the confusions going on with it. But we also have all
the phone calls that were made during that period of time, and they're amazing.
They're between the FAA and the military, the FAA and FA headquarters.
They're interviewing the pilots afterwards, trying to figure out what this thing was.
And the big takeaway that I want to give your listeners and please trust me
on this because if you don't listen to audio yourself, this is what you
will walk away with. This doesn't happen often. This is not a common
occurrence. Even the FAA Quality Assurance at the headquarters, who deal with every
issue that happens during the day, every weird, strange thing that happens to
me in the American airspace, you know, they get reported, they get
reports on it, and they deal with it. They could even figure out
how to all this and they were weirded out by it. They could not
even understand. Really, they were amazed to even say themselves, so like
at ufoh this was like and what we and as far as what the aircraft
was, which I'm sure your audience is thinking, well, okay, so
there saw something. What was it. The best report we got was from
one of the pilots who was the closest to it at a time when the
sun was pretty you know, still pretty high up and had a good angle
of light on it. It was a white aircraft of some sort or object
of some sort, white in color. And when asked to size, he
said, it was not just some leer jet out there. It was large.
It was a large aircraft of some sort. So it's not like this
was just some old nineteen seventies leer jet that was stolen and had packed with
cocaine and flown north, which would be stupid to do it at that time.
Anyway. It was a larger aircraft. So that's pretty much the case
of the Oregon, the Oregon UFO. And to this day, you know,
even with my like defense contacts and military military contacts, nobody seems to
understand what this thing was. Wow. And so some of the unique properties
or characteristics is that it somehow was being tracked on radar and then wasn't disappeared
on radar even though it could be visually seen. And then and then after
you know, as you described, after the witnesses pilots had landed in Portland
and the jets were scrambled, it was gone. Yeah, and those jets.
Just to give you your viewers an I or your listener's an idea of
kind of what you're dealing with out of PDX. Those fifteen's now carry the
most powerful air to air radar in the world. Okay, it's not like
these are older National Guard jets that are, you know, from the nineteen
seventies and haven't seen an upgrade for thirty five years. They have an upgraded
radar and they also have an electrical optical targeting system that can look where that
radar see is a target from long distance and identify it capture video on it,
so you know it's a very capable aircraft that you're talking about that went
up to look for it. And Western Air Defense Sector WADS, it's also
nickname Bigfoot, that controls that airspace part of NORAD. They know that airspace
so well, they've seen the weird things that happen up there. They you
know, those controllers know what they're doing, and you can hear them talking
to the FA on these phone calls being like, we can't even get a
lock on the sky either. We can't see him. You know, they're
looking with all their capabilities as well, and they can't spot him. They
just know he's there because the airliners are watching him. That's shocking. Now,
I have a question for you. One thing I think about with a
lot of these cases is you know, during the Cold War, of course
the Russians would fly over us with aircraft we couldn't get to and you know,
we couldn't do anything about it. Of course, that's what we were
doing with the U two. We're like, h you know, we're flying
over taking pictures of you, and there's nothing you can do about it.
Of Course, they shot one down, so they proved, yes, we
can't do something about it. But is it possible? Because you know,
the Cold War, I think is a semantics thing. I don't know if
it really ever, And it is it possible the Russians would be trying to
do something like that if they had maybe a new stealth technology fly over us
see if we can see it. Is that possible? Well, I'm not
going to say anything is impossible because I don't know what this thing was.
I'm gonna tell you geopolitically and capability wise technologically extremely unlikely beyond beyond extremely unlikey
like next to zero percent, because you're basically flying in international airspace without any
contact at all, and you're doing so in a flight lane and there's not
really anything strategic around there to be doing it. Really strange and what's the
message? You know, if if we don't still know what it is,
then it's just an unidentified aircraft. Also, technologically that would mean that aircraft
would have had to come all the way from Russia to do that. I
mean, it would have needed taking assistance and everything else, which you know
we could spot. So you know, there it doesn't seem to be the
case. I wish it was almost give us a at least a better answer.
But once again, when I wrote this, we didn't hear about this
nuclear powered cruise miss Will either, you know, wouldn't we would potentially do
something like that. But then again, why on earth would you send it
over the Northwest? And what's it? What's the purpose of that? And
I you know, but listen, anything's possible. I've also posited that maybe
this was an unmanned aircraft that was being tested up in the Northern Ranges in
Nevada that went astray and they were they lost contact with it and it just
cruised along and did its thing. You know, we saw that there is
a precedent for that happening. That the r Q one seventy Sentinel, which
is a self once again, a stealthy flying wing that's a surveillance drone that
fell right into the hands of the Iranians twenty eleven after it went nut,
you know, did its own thing. And we know other past shadowy circumstances
around Area fifty one, especially where drones have either gone off the range or
whatever and they self destructed. So it's very unlikely once again, I mean,
it has to end up somewhere right, So kind of a bad explanation,
but something I could say. But yeah, the problem with this,
honestly is we just don't have any like good place to put our finger and
says okay, you know, fifty percent chances this or that. We just
don't have anything like that that we can put forward that is something that is
feasible to tell your audience to say, yeah, probably was X. I
can't do it, yeah, which is exactly how Elizondo, the guy who
ran that DoD you know, thread identification program, explained that. He says,
you know, I can't for sure what it is. I can't say
for sure that it's not Russian or Chinese. But as you put it,
the probability, given the performance and the nature of the craft is very very
very unlikely. So fat So let's get into because we've only got like about
five or six minutes left. Then the Arizona case. One thing I don't
think was in the story was how you came across this this situation, right,
So the Arizona case that happened. I believe it was February twenty eighth,
that came to me from a pilot that was y'a I don't even know
the guy's name, Okay, anonymous email that speaking very solidly like he knew
what he was talking about, that said, Hey, I was in the
area and we were listening. We were transiting the area, and we heard
these wacky communications and it weirded me and my co pilot out and we have
no idea who to ask. So if you can look into it, that
would be great. And I you know, with that, I said,
ninety percent chance, I'm tossing this away until I just start looking into it.
And I started corroborating a couple things and started building out these flights one
by one that were kind of in this area. And kind of narrowed it
down to an area where they would have been during a basic block of time.
And luckily, we have some interesting flight tracking tools that allow us to
do that now more easily than just like from total scratch and radar telemetry or
whatever you have during that period of time. So at that point I said,
listen, we have enough here. I think just ask the FAA if
they know about it. And like, we got a guy there at the
Albuquerque Center who went up to his to the head you know, the head
manager there, and said, hey, these guys say this happened. I've
never heard anything about it, and he didn't hear anything about it either,
But they reviewed some of the tape and they boom, it was right there.
So that's how that story came to be, and that's how we got
the the audio were released so quickly. M and this essentially was two witnesses
right to begin with the Leer Jet pilot and then later on the American Airlines
And I guess what did they describe? Right? So the lyri Jet.
They're both heading east south of Tucson, excuse me, south of Phoenix,
Okay, kind of down there between Phoenix and the border and then heading towards
the New Mexico border. That's a very active area for military operations too.
But besides that, the Phoenix air leer Jet, which their military contractor,
they fly aggressor Lyer jets against our ships and our service to air missile batteries.
So these guys are not your average lyrijet pilots. Okay, they've seen
everything. They look up and apparently something flew over them, right above them.
That was the bright object that they You can hear them on the radio.
They said that it was no weather balloon okay, at about thirty seven
thousand feet and the object was maybe a thousand and feet above them. I'm
just guestimating kind of what by the lingo we hear back and forth, and
air traffic control was very cool about it. A few minutes later they asked
it and then I believe it was an American Airlines aircraft that was flying behind
them, you know, one hundred miles or so, and they say,
hey, listen, just give us a shot if you see something pass over
you. And they were kind of weirded out by that because well, what
what would it be? You know? But boom, they said, yep,
just shot right over us, about two thousand feet above us, and
they were at thirty seven thousand feet And then you get this banter going back
and forth between these pilots and this controller and basically even he was when the
pilots was even asked, was it like a Google balloon? So they'd become
like a weather balloon, you know, and he goes highly unlikely, and
so you know, it was an odd deal. There is weather balloon traffic
all over the United States. It does happen. I'm not saying it wasn't
one of the pilots that was very bright. It was a very bright objects
reflective, but we just don't know what it was. I've had some information
since I've done that report that seems like it was probably stranger than it was
even reported originally, but I don't want to get into that detail at the
time. At this time right now, CNN, and I was wondering if
you knew about this, and their report their conclusion was authorities have told us
it was a balloon, but they didn't source that. They didn't say what
authority or which authorities told them that. And given that they didn't even source
the story at all, back to you I'm a little skeptical of the amount
of due diligence they did in writing that story. Are you aware of any
authorities that have claimed that. No, And more so than that, I
don't know how much you could take to heart reporting that doesn't source the original
source r curial on it. They never contacted me even how I got it.
And more so than that, Uh, you know, somebody goes and
writes a thing about Kanye West or about uh, you know, opioids or
whatever. Then the next thing they're writing a UFO report. There's not there's
no expertise there to even know what they're looking at and what they're what they're
reporting on, you know. So listen, I've reached out to them to
try to see what the deal was with them not sourcing and like what they're
reporting, and they'd never got back to me. Right, people in the
CNN organization get back to me that aren't affiliated, wondering what the hell was
going on with it because they don't know why they're not getting back to me
and talking to me about it. Yeah, so it is what it is.
Hey could have been a balloon, listen, could have been I mean,
I know there's different testing down there that that do different types of weather
balloons and payload balloons. But if it's over a certain size, FA has
to know about it. And these guys that are especially some of the pilots
that were flying, I think, have quite a few hours they could say,
oh, you know, a balloon passed over us, you know,
especially when they're looking for it. The second airplane actually was looking for this
thing. It wasn't like it just happened, right, you know, And
they didn't say it. So, I mean, my I would say in
my gut it's possible, very possible, could have been a balloon, very
possible, could have been something else. And I have to also underline that,
like I say, between like White Sands, New Mexico, all the
way over to the ranges in by Yuma and the Goldwater Range, there's so
much military traffic in that area. But you do not fly a secret project
during the middle of the day like that to move it around that it does
not happen. If they want to move something like that, they do it
at night and they just call it Ulfstream five and nobody knows the difference.
Yeah, the other It's just I've found it frustrating that them for some reason,
many times the mainstream media, when dealing with this topic don't find it
necessary to do the due diligence they would do on any other story, and
that their stories get tabloidsh where their accuracy is way off right and it's fantasy
to them. So it doesn't matter, you know, it just doesn't matter
to do that, you know. And so yeah, I mean it's very
easy for the f say I'm probably a weather balloon. That's fine. I
could say that too, but you know, it doesn't mean that it was,
and it doesn't mean that it wasn't. But I don't, I don't.
They never told me that. They mentioned that there's aircraft, they mentioned
there's a lot of military traffic in that area they deal with all the time.
They mentioned that there's weather balloons. To me, they mentioned a few
different things, but they they said the same thing. They don't know,
you know. So I don't know how it went from that to hey,
it's a weather balloon, because they never gave you the identification or the origin
of it or anything. So I don't know. Well, super interesting work
out of time, of course, tyler Ty writes for the Drives the War
Zone. I highly highly highly recommend that you follow his stories. I think
they're fascinating. And of course people can follow you on Twitter as well,
right yeah, just Aviation, Underscore, Intel, or just look at my
name Tyler Rogaway. I'm right there on Twitter. We have a lot of
fun on there, posts a lot of interesting stuff. And thanks for dealing
with me today, guys. I've been having a cold, so I probably
sound like I'm a I'm some sort of an alien creature myself, and I
appreciate you guys dealing with that well. Thank you so much for being on
the show. No worries, Thank you for having me. Thank you so
much to ty for joining us on the show. I thought this was remarkable.
It's excellent. We're so lucky to have someone like him serious and in
the mainstream and with his experience in dealing with defense issues, interested in this
topic and writing these incredible stories and finding these great cases from pilots and otherwise.
It's incredible to hear that. You know, it's these pilots coming to
him anonymously with these stories, so obviously these are things that impacted these pilots
in a serious way where they couldn't figure out what was going on. And
they want to share these stories. So it's great that Ty has been able
to do more research and discover more and share and it's great to see you
can hear that he has a passion for this topic as well. And you
know, there's so many conspiracy theories about this and that, and people being
in the media paid off or part of the government to hide things, or
all these other wild things. But it's really not so much that. It's
more, you know, being able to feel comfortable in a space, to
feel like people are going to be accepting of what you're sharing, and hopefully
we'ren't a point where the mainstream is more acceptable of these credible cases that do
arise, so very exciting stuff. If you want to hear more about Tie
or see his links to his stories, you can go to Open mindsat TV.
You're going to see those in the headlines. I'll write more about these
cases in the very near future, and all the stories that Martin and I
talked about you can find there. Also the UFO Congress, there's some cool
videos. You know, a lot of the lectures from that conference are being
posted at the open at the UFO Congress video portals, so check that out.
Just go to ufocongress dot com and you'll be able to see it there.
Otherwise, stay tuned to Open mindsat TV for more episodes. So I
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