1 00:00:08,279 --> 00:00:12,439 Everyone on Matt and Welcome to The Good Trouble Show. Today we have an 2 00:00:12,439 --> 00:00:18,640 exclusive interview with Senator Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, speaking exclusively about UAP, 3 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,440 otherwise known as UFOs. This is, as far as we know, is 4 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:27,800 the first time a current United States Senator has sat down to solely talk about 5 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,719 this critical topic. But first, do us a solid hit that thumbs up 6 00:00:31,719 --> 00:00:36,920 and subscribe button. We are also on all podcasting platforms. Just search for 7 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,119 The Good Trouble Show with Matt Ford. Finally, finally, maybe the most 8 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:47,200 important part, your financial support enables us to bring you this show with exceptional 9 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,679 guests. 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On the in the middle screen 18 00:01:26,239 --> 00:01:32,079 there journalist Christopher Sharp of The Liberation Times, and on the right Vinnie Adams 19 00:01:32,239 --> 00:01:38,640 of Disclosure Team. Guys, thanks, thanks for joining us. Oh all 20 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:44,280 right, just making making sure we're making sure we're good there. Sorry anyway, 21 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,840 Yeah, no, thanks for joining us. So, yeah, we're 22 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:52,599 very very excited about this. So we've we've been in contact with Senator Jill 23 00:01:52,719 --> 00:01:59,120 Brand's office for a very long time and this this interview has literally been months 24 00:01:59,159 --> 00:02:01,840 in the works, and we're very very, very very excited about it. 25 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,079 So, you know, as I mentioned, often a lot of our viewers 26 00:02:07,159 --> 00:02:12,759 are they don't really track this whole UAP UFO topic very much. We primarily 27 00:02:14,039 --> 00:02:17,960 have political guests and message and things like that on that front. So the 28 00:02:19,039 --> 00:02:22,599 UAP thing is new to some folks. So with that in mind, Vinny, 29 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,120 if you don't mind bring us up to date or sort of give us 30 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:31,319 a short historical timeline of how all of this really began in my view, 31 00:02:31,439 --> 00:02:37,120 which was the New York Times twenty seventeen article, and kind of walked us 32 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:42,759 through from that point up until today. Yeah, sure, I'll do my 33 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,719 best, but yeah, you mentioned it right there. The December sixteenth, 34 00:02:46,759 --> 00:02:50,479 I think, was the release of the New York Times article which was titled 35 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:55,360 Glowing Ores and Black Money, the Pentagon's Mysterious UFO Program, which really laid 36 00:02:55,400 --> 00:03:00,080 out the work that had been done from two thousand and seven to twenty twelve, 37 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:07,599 this five year period where the UFO subject was studied within the Pentagon headed 38 00:03:07,599 --> 00:03:13,639 by Luelizondo. Now we know that since then there's a lot of points come 39 00:03:13,719 --> 00:03:17,680 up about the consistency of the dates, the program, its relationship to all 40 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:22,960 SAP, but I won't go too deep into those issues right now. But 41 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:27,120 this was really what kickstarted things off in the last few years with regards to 42 00:03:28,039 --> 00:03:31,319 the coverage of the UFO subject, especially in the mainstream media. And going 43 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:37,599 forward now, following the article, we had the release of the three Navy 44 00:03:37,719 --> 00:03:43,000 videos which came out of the Pentagon and were officially acknowledged as real and genuine 45 00:03:43,159 --> 00:03:49,800 videos. Then I suppose the next important point was the National Defense Authorization Act, 46 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,439 and I believe that was for fiscal year twenty twenty one, and this 47 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:58,199 was where we were given the one hundred and eighty days for them to produce 48 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:03,080 a public report on the UFO subject or UAP, which we got in June 49 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:08,360 of twenty twenty one, and then consistently over the last few years since then, 50 00:04:08,439 --> 00:04:14,319 in each National Defense Authorization Act, there has been language pertaining to UAP 51 00:04:14,599 --> 00:04:17,959 and legislation, and it just keeps getting deeper and bigger each year. And 52 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,480 here we are in, you know, in this year, and it's you 53 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:25,639 know, this is why we're here to talk about the All Domain and Nominally 54 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:30,079 Resolution Office and how that's been run, you know, since it sort of 55 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,600 started about nine ten months ago. So yeah, it's it's like it's kind 56 00:04:32,639 --> 00:04:36,720 of been a progression in the last five years. Yeah, it definitely has. 57 00:04:36,959 --> 00:04:42,120 And Senator Jill Brand along with some other senators, but I feel like 58 00:04:42,199 --> 00:04:46,199 she's really led the fight on this whole, on this topic in particular, 59 00:04:46,399 --> 00:04:51,279 we really owe her a debt of thanks and the people that have been supporting 60 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,800 her on both sides of the aisle. And I always like to emphasize that 61 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:00,800 I'm a registered Democrat, I'm a liberal, but but people on the Republican 62 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,800 side are doing a lot of great work on this as well, and this 63 00:05:04,879 --> 00:05:12,240 topic in particular, is really transcends any sort of parties. So while we're 64 00:05:12,439 --> 00:05:16,680 championing the efforts and what Senator Gillibrand and her staff have done, there are 65 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,199 people on the other side of the aisle that are equally as supportive in doing 66 00:05:20,319 --> 00:05:25,399 a lot of great work on this. So so speaking of Senator Jill Brand, 67 00:05:25,399 --> 00:05:28,160 I want to play a clip. This was. This was I think 68 00:05:28,199 --> 00:05:34,680 about a month ago with the Senator during the Intelligence and Intelligence Committing Committee hearing 69 00:05:35,199 --> 00:05:42,959 with the Director of the Office of ODIE and I, Director Avril Haynes. 70 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,040 Let's watch this, Senator Jill Brain, thank you, mister Chairman, Director 71 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:50,879 Haynes. And last year's Intelligence Authorization Acts, Senator's Rubio Warrener, Heinrich Blunt 72 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:58,959 and I created the arrow that All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office to break down the 73 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,319 stovepipes which between the intelligence community and the military regarding unidentified aerial marine and other 74 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:08,279 phenomenon which could pose a risk to the safety of our service members as well 75 00:06:08,319 --> 00:06:15,759 as collection risks against sensitive facilities and overseas military bases as Oh, sorry, 76 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:56,920 it's the wrong thing, We'll just listen. Yeah, So that was sorry. 77 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,279 I cut away from the video a little bit too soon, But that 78 00:06:59,399 --> 00:07:02,839 was Odie and I Director the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, n 79 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:08,600 Avril Haynes. So so Christopher, she's Senator Gillibrand and really all of the 80 00:07:09,319 --> 00:07:14,240 people in the the in Congress that have supported this ARROW office. They've really 81 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,800 had a bit of an uphill battle getting the support from the intelligence community and 82 00:07:18,839 --> 00:07:26,279 the Pentagon. Correct. Yes, and the battle has not been run one 83 00:07:26,399 --> 00:07:31,439 yet. In fact, I get the impression as backed up by the letter 84 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:39,800 which came out on Saturday, but was was from the twenty seventh April from 85 00:07:40,199 --> 00:07:46,160 Mark Warner and Senate Senator Reviews, so the chair and vice chair of the 86 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:54,560 Intelligence Committee, and yeah, they voiced their frustrations. So it's still an 87 00:07:54,639 --> 00:08:03,199 uphill battle for senators within both predominantly the UM the Intelligence committees and the Armed 88 00:08:03,199 --> 00:08:09,759 Services committees that have really really led the charge on getting this language up and 89 00:08:09,839 --> 00:08:18,240 running. And yeah, and still despite the National Defense Authorization Act and the 90 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:24,000 language containing within that for the ARROW, the law still has not been implemented 91 00:08:24,079 --> 00:08:31,560 yet. So for instance, um that that there's no deputy director the ARROW, 92 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:39,279 and also the communications isn't great as well, that there's no there's no 93 00:08:39,279 --> 00:08:45,600 more activity on Twitter for instance, and let first tweet that it led off 94 00:08:45,799 --> 00:08:52,279 last summer and there's no there's no secure public facing website as well, so 95 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,879 that whistleblowers can come forward. So it is a really, really still an 96 00:08:56,159 --> 00:09:03,480 uphill battle for all senators involved pushing me and these representatives as well, such 97 00:09:03,519 --> 00:09:09,519 as bur Chet's Carson can go. It will being really ready pushing this forwards 98 00:09:09,639 --> 00:09:13,120 as well. Yes, So speaking of the lack of support, one of 99 00:09:13,159 --> 00:09:18,159 the one of the initial issues was a lack of funding. So I want 100 00:09:18,159 --> 00:09:22,039 to play this clip with Senator Jill Brand and get your thoughts and is the 101 00:09:22,159 --> 00:09:24,399 Arrow Office fully funded in your budget? Yes? I believe it is. 102 00:09:24,919 --> 00:09:28,720 You make sure because it was left off last year, so from both the 103 00:09:28,799 --> 00:09:31,799 DoD and Intel's budgets. So right, so it's INDOD, but I think 104 00:09:31,799 --> 00:09:35,840 our support is funded in the National Intelligence Program, and I will check to 105 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,840 make sure everybody else can answer the question. I believe it is funded. 106 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:46,159 Thank you, Yes, I support center, thank you. Yes. Yeah. 107 00:09:48,399 --> 00:09:52,279 It's just crazy that they would mandate the creation of this office and they 108 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:56,399 have all of this language in and I think Vinny you had said that this 109 00:09:56,519 --> 00:09:58,519 was this what went back to, uh, what was the year twenty When 110 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:03,080 was ARROW established? Was a twenty two or or when when was that? 111 00:10:03,279 --> 00:10:07,519 Yeah, I don't remember. It was established in the summer of twenty twenty 112 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:11,240 two. Well, that's certainly when doctor Kirkpatrick became the head of our It 113 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,679 may have been a month or two before he was officially announced as the director. 114 00:10:16,159 --> 00:10:20,039 I'm not too clear on, you know, the start date compared to 115 00:10:20,039 --> 00:10:24,399 when they actually announced his you know, directorship, because I think well, 116 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:28,480 and I think Chris, you had you had touched on this. They had 117 00:10:28,519 --> 00:10:33,000 to send a letter a Senator Jillibrand and I believe it was a thirteen or 118 00:10:33,039 --> 00:10:39,080 fourteen other senators Chris Christopher that that said, hey, where's the money we 119 00:10:39,159 --> 00:10:46,399 have this office and the OUSDI or Office of Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence and 120 00:10:46,639 --> 00:10:50,960 Security. They weren't apparently saying that they didn't have any money, so it 121 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,039 sort of felt like no one knew that they didn't have money, which is 122 00:10:54,279 --> 00:11:00,320 just really strange. Chris, what have you heard on on that? It 123 00:11:00,399 --> 00:11:05,120 seems to me that it just isn't a priority at the moment. Before the 124 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:11,120 likes of Ronald Moultrie, Lloyd Austin and others within the d o D and 125 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,720 also within the intelligence community as well. I mean, look at a few 126 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,000 weeks ago, for instance, in the Armed Services Committee Subcommittee for Emerging Threats 127 00:11:18,039 --> 00:11:24,600 and Capabilities, when jitter Brand asked Michael J. McCord, the unseconded Defense 128 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:31,960 Controller, it's saying I was disappointed for the second year in a row the 129 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:39,960 ARROW was not fully funded in the department's budget requests. Understanding that we cannot 130 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:46,639 get into specific budget figures in this forum, can you discuss why ARROW was 131 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,559 not fully funded? And in his response, Michael J. McCord seems to 132 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:58,960 suggest that that Ronald Moultrie had not relayed any concerns or requests for funded for 133 00:12:00,039 --> 00:12:05,279 further funding to him. So, I mean, it just doesn't seem like 134 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:11,120 it's he's really really engaged with the process. And I would argue it's been 135 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:16,000 like that from the start since ai MSG was first put together. I mean, 136 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,240 we had a similar situation around about this time last year when the law 137 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:24,879 still hadn't been fully implemented, and I mean we thought all the troubles had 138 00:12:24,879 --> 00:12:31,559 gone away because from an operational perspective, the ARROW was supposed to be reporting 139 00:12:31,759 --> 00:12:41,200 directly too. The Deputy Secretary of the Defense and also I think it was 140 00:12:41,799 --> 00:12:48,360 Stacy Haynes as well. I think is the principle deputy for OD and I 141 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,919 as well may have got that wrong. Sorry, So she was. So 142 00:12:52,639 --> 00:12:56,720 the arrow was supposed to report to those two basically, but still because it's 143 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:03,480 not being implemented, the director of the ra is still reporting to Rotal Moultrie. 144 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,000 Well he was last year, So we're really the stage posed still has 145 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:13,679 not changed, and you can see why the Congress is really really going frustrated 146 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:20,000 all of this. Yeah, it's it all seems and from what I've observed, 147 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:24,039 seems to land at the feet of Ronald Moultrie. And as lou Alesando, 148 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:31,879 who was the director of the Pentagon's previous program a tip to study this 149 00:13:31,039 --> 00:13:39,360 particular issue of UAP as he noted, all of the obfuscation and all of 150 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:46,480 that sort of stuff started with or really the source seems to be the Office 151 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,559 of Undersecretary of Defense u OUs D I n S, which is under Moultrie. 152 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,639 So um, and you know, I have some thoughts about that anyway, 153 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,480 So so let's let's get to the interview. So, as I mentioned, 154 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,480 this interview was a year in the making, and this is the first 155 00:14:01,519 --> 00:14:07,279 time a sitting United States senator sat down for an interviewer to speak about the 156 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,399 topics. So we're going to roll the interview and afterwards we'll break it down. 157 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:20,240 So everyone here we go. Our next guest is a trailblazer in bringing 158 00:14:20,279 --> 00:14:24,519 the UAP subject out from the shadows. In twenty twenty three, she led 159 00:14:24,519 --> 00:14:30,399 a bipartisan effort to place thirty three pages of legislation on UAP in the National 160 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:35,919 Defense Authorization Act that is now law. Please welcome from the great State of 161 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:41,279 New York, Senator Kirsten Jillibrand, Senator how are you. I'm fine, 162 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,399 Thank you for having me, Thanks thanks for being here. And we know 163 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:48,360 your scheduleist tight. So we're going to jump right into the subject of hand. 164 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,120 So, Senator, there have been reports of objects in our skies and 165 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,480 undersea from our military pilots and other service members that they just they couldn't explain. 166 00:14:56,879 --> 00:15:03,080 Now these objects are referred to is Unidentified Anomalous and Undersea phenomenon or UAP. 167 00:15:03,519 --> 00:15:07,600 So, Senator, what was your turning point when you decided that we 168 00:15:07,679 --> 00:15:11,879 as a nation, you know that we have to take these reports seriously and 169 00:15:11,919 --> 00:15:16,240 look into them. Well, it was a combination of things. The thing 170 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:22,639 that really got me highly concerned was when service members had come forward with digital 171 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:28,399 evidence, whether it was video or radar, different sensory data, that they 172 00:15:28,399 --> 00:15:35,559 were retaliated against, or disregarded or somehow diminished or demeaned in their roles. 173 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:39,320 And I thought, as chair Personnel at the time the Personnel Subcommittee of the 174 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:45,879 Armed Services Committee, I was not going to tolerate our service members being in 175 00:15:45,919 --> 00:15:52,440 any way disparaged because they were doing their jobs to report these sightings. And 176 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:58,279 so once I heard about that, I started getting much more detailed in my 177 00:15:58,039 --> 00:16:03,440 review of what is this, what is the you know, the scope of 178 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:10,039 these unidentified air phenomenon, what is the military's role? Are they reviewing them? 179 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,000 Do they actually analyze them? Do they identify them? And unfortunately I 180 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,159 found out that the answer was largely no, and they weren't actually doing the 181 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,840 work, Which is why me and a few other senators on the Armed Service 182 00:16:22,879 --> 00:16:26,639 as an Intelligence committee decided to create a specialized office two years ago within the 183 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:33,480 Department Defense that we're supposed to review all sightings and to make sure that whistleblowers 184 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,120 can come forward, to make sure that no one can be retaliated against, 185 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,919 and that people are obligated to report, because we wanted to make it clear 186 00:16:42,039 --> 00:16:48,879 that the military could not disparage or retaliate against people who were just giving evidence 187 00:16:48,919 --> 00:16:53,799 of things they've seen, which is absolutely essential from a domain awareness national security 188 00:16:53,840 --> 00:17:00,120 perspective. So we are now just pushing the military and the intelligence to fund 189 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,880 this office and to do the work now. And we're going to talk about 190 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,119 the whistleblowers a little bit more in depth here and a bit, but one 191 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,920 thing I wanted to touch on, so these military servicemen and women that have 192 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:18,880 testified observing UAP operating in a way that exceed our current understanding of physics, 193 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,000 and a lot of these cases they go all the way back to World War 194 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:26,720 Two and beyond. So with that in mind, would this preclude adversarial operations 195 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:32,359 such as those from China and Russia from the equation. No, and in 196 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,160 fact, for a lot of people, that's what it's all about. What 197 00:17:37,279 --> 00:17:41,720 the goal of the office is to do is review all data related to unidentified 198 00:17:41,759 --> 00:17:48,000 aerial phenomenon present, past and as reported. We also now have the goal 199 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:55,319 of increasing our collection, so actually increasing the sensors and the radar capabilities and 200 00:17:55,599 --> 00:18:00,480 the ability to glean information and data from airspace that obviously we really didn't monitor. 201 00:18:02,079 --> 00:18:06,720 We do very little monitoring of airspace outside of commercial airspace, and we 202 00:18:06,759 --> 00:18:08,880 have requirements for commercial airspace. You have to have emitterage, you have to 203 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:14,839 have lights. But many of these sightings can be in the areas that we 204 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:22,480 don't monitor very effectively. And so the new ambition for this office is to 205 00:18:22,599 --> 00:18:26,839 make recommendations about additional sensors what we need developed. And also it's important from 206 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:32,400 just plane on national security. If you've got China developing hypersonic missiles, you 207 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:37,359 need the ability to detect those as well as a Chinese by balloon or Chinese 208 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:44,319 drones or Iranian drones or any other adversary's military capability or spying capability is being 209 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:51,319 utilized over our military bases, over our missile sites, over our assets. 210 00:18:52,279 --> 00:18:57,359 It's vital that we have that domain awareness and that we can ultimately have superiority 211 00:18:57,759 --> 00:19:03,440 air superiority in places of conflict. Now, going back to Arrow, so 212 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:08,839 when when you mandated that the Pentagon established this office that eventually became ARROW, 213 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:14,240 what was a reaction from the Pentagon. Did they attempt to interfere or take 214 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,279 take control of the narrative. How did they react to this legislation that you 215 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,519 passed or did that passed? So I'm not sure. I mean, we 216 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:29,079 know what was publicly available, and you know, when we were recommending this 217 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:30,640 office, they quit. They set up the road office, which was a 218 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,160 bit a bit odd, But I don't know why that might have been in 219 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:40,319 the works. Who knows, um. But our goal was to really create 220 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:47,119 something transparent and accountable to the American public, that has of public facing aspect, 221 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:52,559 that has public reports, and that destigmatizes the sightings of an aerial phenomenon. 222 00:19:52,079 --> 00:19:57,680 It is imperative that we destigmatize this because we need facts and we cannot 223 00:19:57,759 --> 00:20:03,359 allow the like spy balloons to just coast over the United States taking photos and 224 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:11,880 getting data from our missile sites in our bases. It's unacceptable. And you 225 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,000 know, in many respects, we were asleep at the switch because we weren't 226 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:18,720 looking for this stuff, because from the military's perspective, it didn't exhibit hostile 227 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:25,000 behavior. It wasn't attacking, it wasn't shooting, it wasn't chasing, and 228 00:20:25,039 --> 00:20:30,160 it wasn't evading. All of those types of behavior are things they would have 229 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:37,079 cared about and would have really tried to not only understand but defend against. 230 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,640 But because the behavior of a lot of this aerial phenomenon that we've captured is 231 00:20:41,759 --> 00:20:49,200 by chance, like the fact that some device goes under an existing craft that's 232 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,720 recording data and information, is really how we're catching these. It's when our 233 00:20:55,039 --> 00:20:59,680 pilots fly by something and say, what is that? What is that object? 234 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,680 What is that? What is that aircraft? What is that doing? 235 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,599 And why is it moving that way? And that's hard to understand. Our 236 00:21:06,839 --> 00:21:11,880 devices and sensors on our aircraft aren't caliber to capture this information and easily reposit 237 00:21:12,039 --> 00:21:15,519 it to a scientific group to review it. So we're going to try to 238 00:21:15,599 --> 00:21:21,400 change our sensors on aircraft to do that so we could actually capture the data, 239 00:21:21,559 --> 00:21:25,160 review the data, and be able to assess it one way or the 240 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:30,079 other, known, unknown, and if known, what is it we've been 241 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,279 able to assess? You know, let's see our January report. We assess 242 00:21:33,319 --> 00:21:40,599 three hundred and sixty six pieces of data from sightings. Since the last twenty 243 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,279 years, we've had a huge influx in reporting, and now we're up to 244 00:21:44,799 --> 00:21:48,920 seven hundred I think is what they said in the hearing, Yeah, six 245 00:21:49,079 --> 00:21:53,519 hundred and fifty unknown aerial phenomenon. And so of the six fifty, we 246 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:59,200 know that in the first batch, the three sixty six they designated about one 247 00:21:59,279 --> 00:22:04,640 hundred and fifty were orbs or balloon like objects, about two dozen or drones, 248 00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:08,359 a handful or debris or birds, but one hundred and seventy one and 249 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:14,240 the first tronch we're unknown still. And so in this larger tronch of another 250 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:19,400 three hundred or so, we'll assess what they are. And this office and 251 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:26,400 review isn't isn't ideal for UFO enthusiasts in that they aren't necessarily getting to the 252 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,920 bottom of past sightings like is it real? Is it true? Did that 253 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:37,000 happen? Because all they can do is review data that they have access to, 254 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,319 and all you have is a video clip or all you have is a 255 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,640 photo. You don't have any additional data to weigh that against to assess what 256 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,400 actually is it. So a lot of the goal of this office is to 257 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:53,319 get much more data so we have the tools we need to assess what is 258 00:22:53,319 --> 00:22:59,240 it in real time as opposed to having to go back historically, so we 259 00:22:59,279 --> 00:23:04,920 may never of the let's say the top ten sightings historically that enthusiasts are certain, 260 00:23:06,279 --> 00:23:08,640 are you know, a flying saucer or whatever it is? You may 261 00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:14,039 never actually be able to assess that and say yes or no because you have 262 00:23:14,079 --> 00:23:18,279 no additional data. And so what's so important about ARROW is it's not only 263 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:25,240 gathering the data that the Air Force and the Navy and other arm services detection 264 00:23:25,519 --> 00:23:30,440 has, which is high quality data, and then comparing that with publicly available 265 00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:33,640 data things like what if the FAA record on that date, time and space, 266 00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:37,319 did anyone have any weather balloons in the area, Did anyone have any 267 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,839 other detection devices to see if they got any photographs or any video evidence. 268 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,839 All of that is so much more scientific and capable of assessing. And so 269 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:52,039 if you saw the hearing, Doctor Kirkpatrick gave us two examples and they both 270 00:23:52,079 --> 00:23:56,160 looked, you know, bizarre, but one he was able to cross reference 271 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:03,519 enough data and information from public information like BAA and they could actually identify ultimately 272 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:04,960 that it was, you know, a puddle jumper. It was it was 273 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:11,960 a slower flying aircraft that because of the lens and the camera that was able 274 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,319 to get the digital images, it was too blurred and too undefined to know 275 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,920 what it was, but with cross data they identified it was an aircraft. 276 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:26,200 The second one they showed us was just an orb that came right in a 277 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:33,880 camera's view that traveled is seemingly very fast over some kind of military site, 278 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,559 and they don't know what it is, and so they might not get any 279 00:24:37,599 --> 00:24:42,359 more data to clarify, you know, is it a drone, is it 280 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:47,839 a balloon, is it an aircraft? Is it unknown? And so that's 281 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:53,039 the hard part but also the good part. So we won't necessarily know all 282 00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:56,839 the past secrets, but my intention is to make sure we know all the 283 00:24:56,839 --> 00:25:00,960 future secrets before they become secret, because the whole point is to do the 284 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:06,839 scientific analysis to identify what it is, because if it is Russian or Chinese 285 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:10,559 or Iranian, we must know, and we need to know what technology they've 286 00:25:10,599 --> 00:25:15,039 developed, and whether they're investing in drone technology or balloon technology or is by 287 00:25:15,079 --> 00:25:18,799 technology that we've never seen nor heard of. Got it? Yeah? So, 288 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,519 and I think that's fantastic that we're finally taking this seriously. Let's let's 289 00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:26,759 jump back, if you don't mind for a second, to the whistleblowers. 290 00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:30,559 So as many people may not be aware you spearheaded. I think it was 291 00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:36,279 like thirty three pages of legislation on UAP and the twenty twenty three National Defense 292 00:25:36,319 --> 00:25:41,799 Authorization Act, and I think one of the most important provisions that is in 293 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:47,319 there that you guys put in there was was this provision that protects whistleblowers against 294 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,799 reprisals and retaliation. Now sources have claimed to us that they still fear retaliation. 295 00:25:52,880 --> 00:26:00,240 Do these claims surprise you at all? No, and are off is 296 00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:03,640 here to assure them they cannot be retaliated against by law, and if they 297 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:10,400 still fear retaliation, they should reach out to my office because we can make 298 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,400 sure that they get interviewed by doctor Kirkpatrick. We can make sure that they 299 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,319 can submit any of their data or information in a confidential way. We can 300 00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:22,920 do everything possible to make sure that they can be heard and protected. At 301 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,200 the same time. You may not know this about my history, but we've 302 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:33,400 been working on military sexual violence for a long time and we were able to 303 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,960 help a lot of service members who wanted to tell their story but we're still 304 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,759 afraid of retaliation, and we were able to make sure they got lawyers that 305 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:48,559 they had a confidential way of reporting and we made sure that they were able 306 00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:52,119 to do with what with their testimony that what they wanted to, whether it 307 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,200 was a republic or not public based on their needs. So we're here to 308 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,920 help and we're here to make it easier. We are going to have a 309 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,480 public facing website soon. A draft has already been submitted to the higher ups 310 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,039 to approve, so as soon as that's approved, and I asked all the 311 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,039 higher ups want to get to prove this, and clearly there's a bottlenext somewhere, 312 00:27:12,079 --> 00:27:15,119 but I'm going to get to the bottom of it. And so eventually 313 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,480 there'll be a place where anyone can upload data, information, video, photographs, 314 00:27:21,079 --> 00:27:25,079 and can also see the stuff that's been declassified, which is important so 315 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,160 that people can see like this is how we took this video, and this 316 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,480 is how we know where it was, and this is the publicly available information 317 00:27:30,519 --> 00:27:33,599 we laid on top of it, and that's why we know what it is. 318 00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:37,920 That's important so people can know. It may look like something on first 319 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,200 blush, but with scientific rigor, it's not that. Or it may look 320 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,839 like something and we still don't know what it is. So the truth is 321 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,920 we will get to whatever facts we can, but there'll still be things unknown. 322 00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:56,359 Yeah. Some of the feedback that we've received, in particular from whistleblowers 323 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,279 that have worked on alleged like you CUAP programs but they're hesitant to come forward 324 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:07,119 is is what they've shared is that there's no published legal protection mechanisms. Uh 325 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,759 that or give them the legal assurance that they are indeed in to be covered, 326 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:18,119 so they can reach out to your office and and you can download or 327 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:23,400 make it clear exactly what protections are in place. Yep, they can definitely 328 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:29,039 do that, and they can We have an email that is confidential, just 329 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,000 casework at Jillibrand dot Senate, dot gov. And if they just put up 330 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:38,160 in the ray line, it'll get to our military staff who will then follow 331 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:45,200 up and make sure that they are given confidential support and advise on what their 332 00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:49,119 next steps could be and where the protections lie. Excellent, Okay, great, 333 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,200 So if you have time, we just have another couple of really quick 334 00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:56,680 questions. Um, so what would you say to the elected or the unelected 335 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:02,160 gate keepers and government who do not want to level with the American public about 336 00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:07,319 UAP. So my concern is that's not their judgment, that's not their job. 337 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,880 This type of work should be public. We should have transparency and accountability. 338 00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:15,079 There's going to be some stuff that we find that we won't want to 339 00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:19,000 share publicly. Like, for example, if we assess that the Chinese have 340 00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:23,400 this one kind of drone technology that's a huge national security risk, the Department 341 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,279 Defense may decide something like that needs to stay on the secret level so they 342 00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:30,880 can not only prepare against it, but they probably don't want China to know 343 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,680 that we know what they're doing. So something like that I could imagine we 344 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:41,440 would try to stay non public. But anything that's not related to national security 345 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:47,359 we should definitely be declassifying. I completely agree with that. So finally, 346 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:52,559 should there be legal amnesty for pastor president government employees or contractors who have been 347 00:29:52,599 --> 00:29:56,799 involved in keeping us from Congress and the American public, sort of as an 348 00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:02,359 incentive to for these people to come forward. That's what the whistleblower language in 349 00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:06,680 the twenty three NDAA is supposed to protect. But if that language isn't sufficient, 350 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,319 these people just have to tell us what parts not sufficient and what they 351 00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:15,400 would need in the Defense whistleblower protection to cover them. We're happy to amend 352 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,839 the bill this year. I mean the goal is to give one hundred percent 353 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:26,799 amnesty and whistleblower protection in this space of unidentified aerial phenomenon. And you know, 354 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,799 there may be explanations about what programs people were working on. They might 355 00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:33,519 have thought it was about something, but it really wasn't and they were never 356 00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:37,640 told what it was about. So there can be those kinds of misunderstandings. 357 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,359 But the truth is, we have the ability to take classified information, We 358 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,200 have the ability to talk and classified settings, so then they're not breaking their 359 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,680 classification NDAs. We have the ability to do that, and so we will 360 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:57,680 write the whistler blower protection to make sure it covers compartmentalized programs, special access 361 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:04,359 programs, and intelligence oriented or top secret programs. We can make sure that 362 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:10,720 there's a setting, a skiff or a a top secret setting where they can 363 00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:15,799 give their testimony. We will not allow them to be harmed. Fantastic and 364 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,200 well, we will do whatever as consistent with whatever agreements they made. Excellent, 365 00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:22,000 Okay, Well this is great news. And Senator Gillibrand, I mean, 366 00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:26,960 we really appreciate you coming on our show to talk about this really important 367 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:32,119 topic, and we know our audience really appreciate your leadership on this Senator Kristen 368 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,640 Gillibrand, ladies and gentlemen, thank you everyone, thank you for the opportunity 369 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:41,720 to talk on your show. All right, there we go, so um, 370 00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:45,920 so a few thoughts. One thing I think folks need to keep in 371 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:51,359 mind is any any senator, they're going to really be careful to stay in 372 00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:56,640 their lane. So we asked questions that we felt that she would be in 373 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,880 a position to answer and and not filter, just so we could get as 374 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:06,359 as as much information as possible. And the other thing too with these folks, 375 00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:09,240 and you see this also with with Senator Marco Rubio, you have to 376 00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:14,359 read between the lines, uh, with with what they're saying. They're not 377 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,839 going to come right out and say there's a non human intelligence or uh, 378 00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:22,640 you know, we've got a saucers stashed in the garage somewhere. You have 379 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:29,000 to you have to read the sort of subtext so you know when they're when 380 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:35,759 they're talking about unknowns or or even just orbs. You know, orbs aren't 381 00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:38,480 just gonna you know, fly around like a like a balloon. You have 382 00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:43,440 to really, um, you have to really listen, but listen to what 383 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,440 they're saying very carefully. And my prediction as this thing continues to roll out, 384 00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:54,039 their um sort of calculated nature and what all of these politicians say when 385 00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:58,680 it comes to this subject, that's going to relax as more and more information 386 00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:02,599 comes forward. So so yeah, so let's let's jump into this interview and 387 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,039 just sort of break down some of the questions. So, uh, you 388 00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:12,160 know, we asked what was her sort of turning point, and Jill Brand 389 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,240 noticed for her that it was service members coming to her with digital evidence, 390 00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:22,279 video radar, or different sensory data, and that these folks were retaliated against, 391 00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:29,680 and they either retaliated against, disregarded, or somehow diminished or demeaned in 392 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,200 their roles, and that she wasn't going to tolerate it. And she found 393 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:37,720 that no surprise that the military wasn't really doing anything about this other than sort 394 00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:42,440 of propagating, in my view, the stigma. So Vinnie, the DoD, 395 00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:51,720 they really have had a very well documented history of obfuscation and retaliation against 396 00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:54,519 a lot of these folks. Correct, absolutely, we know it's been I'm 397 00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:58,440 going for decades. But one thing I will say just before we kind of 398 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,279 get into that, is that you know, cudous to you, because what 399 00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:05,839 you've been doing is actually cultivating a relationship with Senator Jilla Brandon. You know, 400 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,239 we all could think of a million questions that we'd love to put in 401 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,199 front of her when it becomes you know, when it comes to UFOs non 402 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,599 human intelligence. But you can't just throw that a senator. It's not you 403 00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:20,639 know, it's not the thing to do. It's not just another UFO enthusiast 404 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,800 that we're just having conversations back and forth. We have to be very careful 405 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,079 about the way we approach this, and I think after that interview, you 406 00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:30,480 know, it's likely that we'll be able to continue this relationship and maybe you 407 00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:32,800 know, get to those more important questions further down the line. So you 408 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,440 know, I know some people might be discouraged by the fact that we didn't 409 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,599 say what do you know about non human intelligence and things like that, So 410 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,599 I ask people to bear in mind that we're talking with a sitting senator here, 411 00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:46,000 so it's not just a case of throw everything at her and see what 412 00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:50,719 she's got to say. But yeah, as far as the obfuscation and the 413 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,760 cover up, we all know it's been going on for so many years, 414 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:58,599 and there is data somewhere, you know, on in classified programs, and 415 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:00,920 you know this is you know, there were a couple of comments that the 416 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,679 Senator Jit Abron mentioned in there about you know, we may not get to 417 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,280 the or to know all the past secrets, but we might get to know 418 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:13,079 all the future secrets before they become secret. This is the kind of positive 419 00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:15,599 kind of discussion that we want to hear from from people in power. So 420 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,920 you know, I do take some positives away from it. Yeah, thank 421 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,920 you for that. Yeah, and we definitely looked at it from that perspective. 422 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:28,000 Uh, first off, we're an unknown entity. We're not CNN or 423 00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:30,760 anything like that. So just the fact that we were able to get a 424 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:36,440 sitting United States senator to come on and speak about this subject was a huge 425 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,039 get for us. And the other thing to keep in mind, of course, 426 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,480 is you know, she sits on the Senate Armed Services Committee. She 427 00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:46,760 sits on the Senate a Select Committee for Intelligence, I think is what it's 428 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:53,920 called. So she is specifically dealing with classified information, and um, you 429 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,320 know, she's got to be careful and what she you know, what she 430 00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:04,079 can say. I do think that he's pushing the envelope and and we should 431 00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:08,000 be very grateful for really going to the mat on this particular subject. It 432 00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:13,119 was it was time someone did, and the Senator was the right person to 433 00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:16,719 do this at the right time. Uh so uh let's see where lost my 434 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,199 place here? Um? Yeah, so so, Chris, So, you 435 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,599 know, we asked about observing UAP exceeding our known physics going back to World 436 00:36:24,639 --> 00:36:31,719 War Two, and part of that question was some people obviously there are incidents 437 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:38,480 where there are balloons or drones or things that are misidentified as something anomalous when 438 00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:43,679 when they actually aren't. But one of the things that that people like Luellasonto 439 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,320 and others have brought up is the things that appeared to have a non prosaic 440 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:53,480 answer, the behavior of these craft and whatnot. This these sort of vehicles 441 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,239 have been observed going all the way back to World War two and probably beyond 442 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:04,599 where you know we're This was before jet propulsion or anything like that. So 443 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,960 that was part of that was really what I was asking about. And you 444 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:13,239 know, she said no and was curious, what was your Chris, what 445 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,280 was your sort of feeling on her response to that? Yeah? Yeah, 446 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,960 absolutely, So firstly, I would say to people who were expecting you know, 447 00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:23,880 saying oh there should be tougher questions and stuff like that. You know, 448 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,400 get with the real world. You know, this isn't a movie. 449 00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:32,079 This is the real world dealing with an actual US senator here, and you 450 00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:37,199 know it, it's taken a lot of time to actually arrange this interview. 451 00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:43,239 And you know, no matter what questions you ask, um, she's always 452 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,480 going to stick with her message. Whatever she wants to say, she's going 453 00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:51,039 to say it. And you know, if you had to ask questions like 454 00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:53,920 were the bodies and stuff like that walk out, it's going to walk out 455 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,639 the interview. I mean, get real people. I don't know what world 456 00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:00,280 these people are living in, but with the thing with politics here, you 457 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:06,320 know, and the real world not a movie to that point. In terms 458 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:13,599 of precluding Chinese technology and Russian technology, look, I would have to disagree 459 00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:17,719 with the senator there. I mean, our good friend Graham Rundell for instances 460 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:23,239 catalog so many incidents going back to the nineteen fourties, and I mean, 461 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:29,480 you know, great researchers, will you know know of events that happened even 462 00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:34,199 before that. And you know, when we're talking about the fifties and sixties, 463 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,360 China was in a famine situation. You know, they can even afford 464 00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:43,960 orse and carts, let alone fighter jets, and you know you have advanced 465 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,840 military equipment. So I think, yeah, I think it definitely does preclude 466 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:54,679 this from being China and Russia. So I think that, look, this 467 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,440 is a really really good first step. Here. She said some really good 468 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,360 things, and I think, I mean, I would compare it to this. 469 00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:07,079 Look at the first series of you know, on a History Channel with 470 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:15,559 Luisando of unidentified Luisando Chris Mellen. They would have never mentioned et or anything 471 00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:19,559 exotic like that. It was a process. And I think we're going to 472 00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:22,880 see the same with the politicians as well in terms of that. You know, 473 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,840 just think of the enormous progress we've made. Like a year ago, 474 00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:31,119 we couldn't have even thought about a sitting senator such as Kurs and Giller Brand 475 00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:35,159 appearing on a show like this. And I've said this before in my Twitter. 476 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,960 You know, just look how people are positioning themselves. Look how the 477 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:43,679 positions are shifting. Look at look at General Wolson from the Space Force Synday 478 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:50,599 for instance, saying that UAP are basically you bit aquitous and saying that we 479 00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:53,519 need internashup operations stuff, Space Force sort of never said that a year ago. 480 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:59,840 Kurson Giller brand wol never appeared on your show a year ago. So 481 00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:02,719 I think positions are shifting on this, and like I've said before, I 482 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:08,679 think some major revelations coming down the line and people preparing for thoughts. I 483 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:14,000 completely agree, and again, thank you, thank you both for the for 484 00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:17,559 the kind kind kind thoughts I mentioned. Uh I mentioned at the top of 485 00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:21,480 this, I said, probably gonna be fifty percent are going to love this 486 00:40:21,559 --> 00:40:23,519 interview, and then the other fifty percent will be why didn't you ask this? 487 00:40:23,639 --> 00:40:29,239 Why didn't you ask that? And I certainly understand that frustration. I 488 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,760 would have liked to have had asked some more pressing questions, but again we 489 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:39,119 were being very careful in um and putting forth questions that we knew she would 490 00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:44,039 be able to address, so it wouldn't be a lot of no comment, 491 00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:46,880 no comment, no comment. We wanted to get as much information out of 492 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:52,280 her as as possible. Now, when we asked about about arrow and we 493 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,400 asked, you know, when she mandated it, what was the reaction from 494 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:59,719 the Pentagon, she seemed a bit tickled about that. About that you know, 495 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:05,039 she noticed or noted sorry that the Pentagon quickly set up their own office, 496 00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:09,199 and with Arrow, she wanted to create something transparent and accountable that has 497 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:16,360 a public facing aspect, creating public reports, and that would destigmatize UAP topic. 498 00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:22,199 She also noted that with the Chinese balloon situation that we were completely asleep 499 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:28,039 at the switch, which seemed to certainly be the case. Uh And and 500 00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:31,639 she said that you know that our sensors are not calibrated to catch some of 501 00:41:31,639 --> 00:41:37,239 these things. Now. Out of that, out of her reply to this 502 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,360 particular answer, what I thought was interesting were some of the statistics that she 503 00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:45,119 pointed out. She stated that three hundred and this was under Arrow, three 504 00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:51,199 hundred and sixty six cases were studied over a twenty year period, which that 505 00:41:51,199 --> 00:41:53,679 that I wasn't aware of that it was going that far back. She said, 506 00:41:53,719 --> 00:42:00,159 one hundred and fifty were orbs or balloons, about two dozen were drones. 507 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:07,280 And since since since this particular since they started looking into it, they've 508 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,760 had six hundred and fifty more cases. One hundred and seventy one are still 509 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:15,920 unknown. My question to you is, you know, obviously balloons and things, 510 00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:21,840 drones, whatnot. That's all explainable, but her using the term ORB, 511 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,800 I think that's pretty significant. ORB. When I think of ORB, 512 00:42:28,039 --> 00:42:31,000 I don't think of anything prosaic in terms of a balloon, a drone, 513 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:37,360 swamp gas, a seagull, whatever, or by feel is a pretty specific 514 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:42,960 thing. And for one hundred and fifty of them to be orbs or balloon 515 00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:47,480 like objects, I think that was a pretty significant admission. She said, 516 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:52,119 there any of what are your thoughts on that? Yeah, absolutely, I 517 00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:54,039 completely agree. I mean she kind of almost brushed over it like it was 518 00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:57,880 nothing. It was like, yeah, one hundred and fifty from the first 519 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,840 traunch of reports were orbs and balloon like objects. Well orbs, Yeah, 520 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:07,360 it's it's that's pretty substantial in balloon like objects. You know, what does 521 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,800 that actually mean? Well, we do know from the report that we had 522 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:15,119 in January of this year that when they were putting things into categories, and 523 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,239 you know, the balloon like entities was used, that they also clarified in 524 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,440 that report that just because they had categorized some of these cases, it doesn't 525 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,360 mean that they had confirmed or gotten to the bottom of what they were. 526 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,920 So, you know, these objects that are still in this one hundred and 527 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:36,639 fifty bracket could still relate to something anomalous. They're just trying to categorize them 528 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,679 even though there is still the unknown bin on top of that. So, 529 00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:43,840 yeah, I was very surprised that that one she mentioned orbs and two that 530 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,920 it was kind of just brushed over slightly. Yeah. I and this kind 531 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,880 of goes back to the what I was saying earlier that you really have to 532 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:57,599 read between the lines with what politicians in officials are saying. They're they're very 533 00:43:57,639 --> 00:44:01,599 careful in their wording and it's for a reason. So so moving on from 534 00:44:01,679 --> 00:44:05,920 that, So, Chris, let's talk about the whistle Blower Protection and the 535 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,159 National Defense Authorization Act. Why was that put in place? And I believe 536 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:16,639 that was one of the first two clauses in the NDAA. Correct, that's 537 00:44:16,679 --> 00:44:21,599 correct. I would have to look through the NDAA myself just to make sure, 538 00:44:21,679 --> 00:44:25,719 but it was certainly in there, and it refers to understanding, refers 539 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:31,920 to retrievals and back engineering and stuff like that. Look, we're not reverse 540 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:38,639 engineer. We're not talking about reverse engineering drones from Russia being used currently in 541 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:46,840 Ukraine. We're not talking about this. We're talking about reverse engineering of potential 542 00:44:49,199 --> 00:44:52,559 non human intelligence. That is literally what we're talking about. So when you 543 00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:57,119 guys having a discussion, you know about whistleblowers, this is true what we're 544 00:44:57,159 --> 00:44:59,880 referring to. It's already come out. People like to help put off come 545 00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:04,320 out, for instance, saying that they've actually come forward spoken to Kirkpatrick. 546 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,000 Others have as well, And I wouldn't be surprised if there were some very 547 00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:15,960 very high ranking people who have spoken to the Congress that haven't spoken to Kirkpatrick 548 00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:21,440 in the Arrow yet. And it's very, very shocking to me that because 549 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,760 the law hasn't been implemented, that she is actually going up to you and 550 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:30,199 saying they should contact my office. I mean, this is literally why the 551 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,519 Arrow exists, so they could deal with this stuff. But I mean, 552 00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:38,440 I'll give Kirkpatrick the benefit of the doubt because they don't have a big budget, 553 00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:40,880 they have a lack of funding, they have a lack of resource. 554 00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:45,920 You know, perhaps she's saying, look, we realize that Kirkpatrick, we're 555 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,800 going to help you out. Because look, the Congress and Senators in particular 556 00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:53,000 actually have the powers. They have some pepner power. They can do investigations, 557 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:58,760 so they actually probably could argue that they have more power than Kirkpatrick who 558 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:05,719 actually instigate these whistleblower plains about such special access programs that have not properly been 559 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,039 reported and clearly reported to the Congress like they should be. Um. So 560 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:15,639 I think that's that's that's a major thing that that you are actually hearing here. 561 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:21,000 So um yeah, bravo. Yeah, I would agree. And and 562 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,840 moving forward to the to the next question that we asked. You know, 563 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:30,440 we mentioned a sen Senator jail Brand that sources have reached out to us and 564 00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:36,639 told us that they still fear retaliation regardless of the fact that this legislation is 565 00:46:36,679 --> 00:46:42,440 in place. And I asked her whether it surprised her that these whistleblowers were 566 00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:45,960 still fearful and uh, and she said no. And as you just mentioned, 567 00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:52,280 Chris, she said that folks need to directly contact her office, which 568 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:57,320 is very very significant. Vinnie, would what was your thought, what was 569 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,199 tongue tied today? What were your thoughts on her response to that? I 570 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:06,679 mean, I'm not really surprised, and I think it's important as well that 571 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,480 whistleblowers are going to be cautious about coming forward. You know, it's a 572 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:16,119 big deal. And how can they really be given the clarification that there's not 573 00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:20,440 going to be further down the line some kind of repercussions. And you know, 574 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,840 it's great that Senator Jella Brand is willing to offer the direct direct access 575 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:30,760 to her office. I was very surprised that she released the email address publicly 576 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,079 here because I just know what some people are like, and they're just going 577 00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:37,480 to be bombarding her with all sorts of you know this and that. But 578 00:47:38,039 --> 00:47:42,559 you know, it just shows the transparency that she's talked about and the fact 579 00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:46,199 that she said that whistleblowers can also let them know or let her know what 580 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:51,159 amendments need to be added for the Defense Authorization Act going into the next year 581 00:47:51,199 --> 00:47:52,880 for twenty twenty four. So you know, so you know, she's willing 582 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:59,320 to not only receive testimony from these witnesses, but then for them to also 583 00:47:59,679 --> 00:48:04,679 help put into place what would be needed going forward to really, uh, 584 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,760 you know, secure that trust that they're not going to have any reprisals if 585 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:14,920 they do testify. Another interesting response I thought was, you know, I 586 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,719 asked her in this question, is for you Christopher? You know, I 587 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:22,239 asked. She noted that in one of her responses that that they're going to 588 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:27,800 have a public facing website soon where people can meet, people can upload data, 589 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,199 photographs, all that sort of thing videos, And she also said that 590 00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:36,280 she's going to get to the bottom of why this hasn't been done yet. 591 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:43,639 And this is this is something where again I'm very critical of of of both 592 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:49,599 Arrow and ousd I n S. It's if if I were in charge of 593 00:48:49,639 --> 00:48:54,360 a program, so let's say Ronald Moultrie that their number one mission was to 594 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:59,800 bring in whistleblowers and bring in data, the first thing out of the gate 595 00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:06,360 I would do is have a website up in no time flat. And that's 596 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:13,000 really puzzled me as to why it has taken that long for this to happen. 597 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,039 Chris, what do you what do you know about all of that? 598 00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:21,559 I know that that that's something that I clearly she's wanting to know why it's 599 00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:24,639 taken this long for for anything to happen. Also, in addition to that, 600 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:31,199 there has been literally zero engagement on the Aero Twitter website, which just 601 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:37,960 blows my mind. Patrick said it himself. He's a scientist, he's not 602 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:45,360 a communications expert um. And he's having also to deal with multiple amounts of 603 00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:50,440 within the DAD, within the intelligence community as well. Look, um, 604 00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:52,639 let's give him in a benefit of the doubt. Again, he said that 605 00:49:52,679 --> 00:49:58,880 he actually um put forward a proposal. I think it must have been to 606 00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:05,039 the to the d and I see, although I still need to confirm who 607 00:50:05,159 --> 00:50:08,400 he actually submitted it to, that he submitted something that's say, a website 608 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:15,199 proposal before Christmas and it's not got there yet. And I would say certain 609 00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:19,719 people would question whether he's pushed that enough in terms of from from understanding, 610 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,280 he is too star he can do something pushed that through if he wanted to. 611 00:50:23,039 --> 00:50:28,480 But look, I think it was made very very clear from the hearing 612 00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:34,840 that he's very very much into the science. But I would argue, this 613 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,679 is great because you want communication, you want transparency, and this website will 614 00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:45,239 accomplish that. Fantastic but very very good sources of mine, who I trust, 615 00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:49,599 multiple sources now are coming at me saying that we have special access programs 616 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:57,440 dealing with captured and reverse engineering craft which appears to be from non human intelligence. 617 00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:01,960 This is not science. This is an investigation, an investigation, you 618 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,800 know, boots on the ground, taking down doors, getting to the bottom 619 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,079 of what's happening, and I think that's needed. We need someone like Lua 620 00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:16,320 Lasondo or j Stratton in there basically giving zero fs and basically just going all 621 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:22,719 in and you know, making a big racquet to ensure that the information is 622 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:27,159 getting through to both the public and Congress as well. That that that's so 623 00:51:27,199 --> 00:51:30,639 important. But also I would ask as well that you know, we have 624 00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:37,119 the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, we have the Natural Comms Office, we have 625 00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:43,000 Space Command Space Force that they must be collecting data, so I mean it's 626 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,360 getting into those agents as well. We have the former DNI John Rackliff going 627 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:50,639 on foction. It is basically saying that these things are being seen by satellites. 628 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,280 By the way, it was most likely got him into trouble. So 629 00:51:52,719 --> 00:52:00,760 look, why are we relying for spy drone footage when we we think they 630 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:06,159 must be capturing these on satellites as well, And if sources are corrective, 631 00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:14,199 then they're coming from space. This nature exists, it's just getting access to 632 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:19,039 it. And that's also the same as well with these special access programs. 633 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,239 And I think patients is running really reefin here. I think it really really 634 00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:28,159 has I mean, bureaucracy is running its course and this isn't a priority despite 635 00:52:28,199 --> 00:52:30,199 the fact, by the way that some UAP, because we're talking about unidentified 636 00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:34,519 craft, they could be Chinese, they could be Russian in origin. I 637 00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:37,000 mean, if these punks aren't taking it seriously, you know, if I'm 638 00:52:37,079 --> 00:52:39,400 China, if I'm Russia, I just create something that looks like a UAP 639 00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:45,880 that they usually take seriously. You know, surprise attap there because they clearly 640 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:50,480 don't care. So you've got yourself. You know, it doesn't matter how 641 00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:53,599 much money that you're spending in the defense budget each year in America. If 642 00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:59,559 you don't have people on the ball here in terms of being aware of what's 643 00:52:59,559 --> 00:53:02,679 going on, making sure that all the gaps that plugged in that then you're 644 00:53:02,679 --> 00:53:07,039 in serious trouble. And despite all the rat coming out from Multuary, from 645 00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:10,920 Lloyd Austin and others, they obviously don't care because the funding still wasn't there. 646 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,280 It's not being prioritized, Okay, So I mean that's one issue as 647 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:21,840 well. So it really really is frustrating. I wouldn't be surprised that if 648 00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,800 more stuff starts getting leaked in the next few months and stuff starts coming out, 649 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:31,239 because I think really the frustrations building here, and I don't think it's 650 00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:35,119 good enough anymore. And even I'm running out of patients now, you know, 651 00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,679 so I think we need to make some progress. Yeah, I think 652 00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:43,559 everyone's everyone's really running out of patients. And sorry, I only just bring 653 00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:45,480 up one note. So you know you were talking about crash retrieval programs. 654 00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:51,559 We've heard this as well from multiple people in d D I see. And 655 00:53:51,559 --> 00:53:54,719 then on top of that, doctor Gary Nolan has has it said it himself 656 00:53:54,800 --> 00:54:00,519 that these do exist? Then he what what what's your what's your thinking on 657 00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:01,920 all of that? And what Chris was just talking about? You're about to 658 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:07,800 say something before I interrupted. Yeah, something that I've mentioned previously when when 659 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,639 I was spoken to Hi Matt, is that if Dotor Kirkpatrick is not running 660 00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:15,280 under the title fifty authorities and he's hearing witness testimony from whistleblowers, how is 661 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,320 he able to go and verify that information if he doesn't have access to the 662 00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,400 relevant agencies, the relevant special access programs wherever they may lie. You know. 663 00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:29,639 Even recently, Senator Jellabrand was in her Senate Armed Services Committee meeting where 664 00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:35,000 she raised the issue of collaboration with General Anthony Cotton of Stratcom, and he 665 00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:39,320 did sort of reiterate that Stratcom and the other co commands were talking with Arrow. 666 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:45,440 But to what degree is Dotor Kirkpatrick getting this information which can then be 667 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:50,079 relaid onto Senator Jellabrand and others? You know, is there sort of bottlenecking 668 00:54:50,159 --> 00:54:53,119 and stovepiping and all these things happening that you know, it's just not running 669 00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:58,159 enough to go anywhere. You know, there are so many frustrations that we've 670 00:54:58,159 --> 00:55:02,239 seen and heard about publicly and from various sources. So you know, this 671 00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:07,480 is still early days, and with all the frustrations, we're not likely to 672 00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:10,039 get anything, you know, just thrown at us these big answers straight away. 673 00:55:10,119 --> 00:55:13,880 So you know, I think it's just a case of just keeping the 674 00:55:14,159 --> 00:55:19,320 pressure applied and seeing where this goes. I totally come back. I come 675 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,880 back that quickly. I would say, why did it take appearing for him 676 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:28,000 to request the authority titled fifty authority to actually have that? Why has it 677 00:55:28,119 --> 00:55:30,679 taken that long to actually request that? And also I questioned something else as 678 00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:36,440 well, in terms of the testament taken taken by Kirkpatrick. It was referenced 679 00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,599 in the recent letter from the sentences Warner and Rubio that they want regular reporting 680 00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:45,440 to be kept updated. What the test what the testa mey of what the 681 00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:51,199 content of the testament taken from the whistleblowers was so reason behind between the lines 682 00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:55,320 here that is telling me that information which is important isn't getting through to the 683 00:55:55,400 --> 00:56:00,239 Compress some time, or isn't being reported at all currently by Kirkpatrick. Is 684 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,079 why would they even mention that in a letter. I would argue at this 685 00:56:02,119 --> 00:56:07,199 point, when it actually comes down to whistleblow testimony and actually getting to the 686 00:56:07,199 --> 00:56:15,079 bottom of potential SAPs, I would say that arrows potentially redundant because senators have 687 00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:16,960 more powers, I would argue to actually get to the bottom of this. 688 00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:22,039 And I think, like I said before, I think you could argue that 689 00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:25,639 the Arrow and kirk Patrick potentially being boxed in because all these whistleblowers have already 690 00:56:25,679 --> 00:56:30,440 spoken to Congress. They spoken to Congress, which is why the intentionals Authorization 691 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:36,199 contained the initial the initial language whistleblowers. They've already spoken to Congress. So 692 00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,719 what's happens. They're going to Congress, They're having conversations of Congress, giving 693 00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:44,880 all the testimony, and then they're going to Kurt Patrick. Sometimes kirk Patrick 694 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:49,320 may not even be aware that these people were spoken to Congress beforehand. And 695 00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,920 then what the Congress is doing is there exchanging notes? Okay, what did 696 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,440 the testimony say when they spoke to us? And what is kirk Patrick telling 697 00:56:55,519 --> 00:56:59,840 us? So I think I think to an extent, you could argue that 698 00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:04,960 being boosed in And I mean my dream scenari would be to have a chech 699 00:57:05,159 --> 00:57:07,960 making thought two where really we lay all this bear in terms of the olfuscation 700 00:57:08,039 --> 00:57:13,920 coming from the dad And it's just yeah, so I'm getting bravery straight. 701 00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,519 I need a cup of tea. I totally understand. I mean I would, 702 00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:22,880 I would completely agree with this. I to me and my perception, 703 00:57:23,159 --> 00:57:35,119 it seems that Ronald Moultrie and these folks were purposely hamstringing Arrow, laying impediments 704 00:57:35,159 --> 00:57:38,960 in their path to make it almost impossible for him to do the job. 705 00:57:39,679 --> 00:57:44,679 And again the title ten, title fifty thing. And I think that that 706 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:49,880 is probably one of the reasons why Senator Jill Brandon her interview, encouraged folks 707 00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:57,039 to come directly to her. She has more legal authority than Arrow. And 708 00:57:57,719 --> 00:58:00,719 again, this is all kind of borne out of my opinion, an attempt 709 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:08,920 by the DoD to make Arrow as least efficient as possible and make it impossible 710 00:58:09,719 --> 00:58:14,400 for doctor Kirkpatrick to do his job. Now, having said that, I've 711 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,239 also been very critical of him. I've you know, I'm trying to give 712 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,760 him the benefit of the doubt. But you know, as you mentioned earlier, 713 00:58:21,199 --> 00:58:24,800 he's like an SCS two, almost like a two star general. If 714 00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:29,239 I would think he would be able to pick up the phone and within a 715 00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,760 one month period have a front facing website, but if he if he's being 716 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:38,239 hamstrung by not having the money to do this, and this goes back to 717 00:58:38,239 --> 00:58:43,679 the earlier part, it just blows me away that they did not get the 718 00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:49,880 funding that Senator Jillibrand and these other senators spoke about. And I want to 719 00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,440 kind of jump off a little bit. You you mentioned this um, you 720 00:58:53,480 --> 00:59:01,239 mentioned this letter that was sent to Secretary of Defense Lay Austin. This letter 721 00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:07,719 was dated on April twenty seventh, and I believe this became public the following 722 00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:12,559 day, and the letters to the Honorable Lloyd J. Austin, Secretary of 723 00:59:12,679 --> 00:59:16,760 US Department of Defense, and the Honorable AVRILD Haynes, Director of National Intelligence, 724 00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:22,840 and this letter is from US Democrat Senator Mark Warner and Republican Senator Marco 725 00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:30,440 Rubio, Warner being the chairman of the what is this intelligence I'm not sure 726 00:59:30,639 --> 00:59:32,639 what department, this, what committee this came out of, but I want 727 00:59:32,639 --> 00:59:37,079 to touch on a few of the things here. And again, this goes 728 00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:44,239 back to the obfuscation that elements of the DoD and the intelligence community have done 729 00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,719 for literally decades. And well, after we cover this, well we'll go 730 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:55,239 back to what I asked Senator Gillibrand about the these gate keepers that are clearly 731 00:59:55,400 --> 01:00:00,400 doing what they can to hide all of this from the American public. And 732 01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:06,519 sorry, I'm gonna jump take another left turn here. One thing to keep 733 01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:13,760 in mind is who is who in the d D is going to hide balloons 734 01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,239 or quad copters or anything like that. I mean, obviously specifics, but 735 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:25,239 to go to the extent of ruining people's careers and engaging in administrative terrorism. 736 01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,840 There the d D or the IC. They're not going to do this over 737 01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,760 some kind of prosaic thing. There's obviously something non prosaic that they are trying 738 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,679 to protect. Anyway, I know I jump around a bit, but let's 739 01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,800 let's talk about the bullet points in this letter. So one of the things 740 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:46,840 he says in here, the senators say, the FY twenty three NDAA requires 741 01:00:47,079 --> 01:00:51,840 the Director of Arrow, doctor who would be doctor Sean Kirkpatrick, to report 742 01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:58,800 directly to the Principal Deputy Director of National Intelligence PDD. And I we know 743 01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:04,679 they love their acronyms and the Deputy Secretary of Defense. Despite assurances that there 744 01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:09,079 is a proposed plan to implement this change and in reporting in circulation, we 745 01:01:09,159 --> 01:01:15,719 have yet to see any final guidance issue issued. We request that you provided 746 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:20,920 us provide us an update on the proposed plan, including the timeline for issuance 747 01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,519 in the final final guidance. Chris, what what? What are they talking 748 01:01:23,559 --> 01:01:30,880 about here? Specifically, is this about moving Arrow out from under of ousd 749 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:36,840 ion s? Yes, Yes, that's that's that's correct. So basically that 750 01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:42,239 they're now going to report or Kirkpatrick is directly going to report to UM, 751 01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:49,159 the principle UM Deputy Directive Natural in turgents. So I think Daisy Dixon and 752 01:01:49,639 --> 01:01:52,840 Deputy circum Defense Happing Hicks. So you know that that was a really really 753 01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:58,920 big deal getting this thing moved out of OSD and I I s and multual 754 01:01:59,199 --> 01:02:04,639 basically I think that any reporting to him now for minor things something it's like 755 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:12,360 hr issue and things like that. But otherwise they're reporting Tom too very very 756 01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:17,519 superior figures and more superior to more severe superior than Moultrie as well. Now, 757 01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:22,199 so um yeah, so yeah, they're they're basically asking and this is 758 01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:27,440 the chair and vice share of the Intelligence Committee, and they're basically asking, 759 01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,679 what why has this not been implemented yet? And I also I'll add another 760 01:02:30,679 --> 01:02:36,599 thing as well with that, at least Lloyd Austin serves within the National Security 761 01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,000 Council were in the White House, and we know that the National Security Council 762 01:02:39,079 --> 01:02:45,519 was set up its own up interagency team. Now, so one wonders what's 763 01:02:45,559 --> 01:02:50,199 going on with that, whether there is something else happening behind the scenes here 764 01:02:50,239 --> 01:02:53,960 in terms of control over the UAP issue with the White House versus the Congress 765 01:02:53,960 --> 01:03:00,920 on this. So perhaps you have a situation where Moultrie Andes, who actually 766 01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:07,400 previously seams much more open to being transpired in this topic, maybe you have 767 01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,679 a situation now where they're reporting Darky to Biden's team on this, and they 768 01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:15,519 tried to make some progress, and in the meantime that they're basically ignoring the 769 01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:21,599 Congress. I don't know the riction there between the Congress and the White House, 770 01:03:21,639 --> 01:03:25,480 definitely for sure. And let's we'll go through a little bit further on 771 01:03:25,519 --> 01:03:30,000 this on this letter. So one of the things, another bullet point here 772 01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:36,599 FY twenty three DAA specified that the Director of National Intelligence will which is Avril 773 01:03:36,679 --> 01:03:40,639 Haynes, will appoint a deputy Director of ARROW from the intelligence community. However, 774 01:03:40,719 --> 01:03:46,079 to date a deputy director has not been identified. This Deputy Director of 775 01:03:46,239 --> 01:03:52,119 ARROW is intended to be the focal point for IC integration and to be fully 776 01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:59,760 empowered by the PDD and I to to convene the IC on the UAP issue. 777 01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:03,679 We ask that you update update us on the timeline. So again another 778 01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:10,000 position was supposed to be filled, and the Pentagon is in my view, 779 01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:15,960 purposely dragging their feet trying to torpedo this whole thing. Now, this gets 780 01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:20,920 into some more interesting things here at last few points which we touched on a 781 01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:28,199 little bit earlier. So the third bullet point on this letter to Secretary Austin 782 01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:33,440 and Director Haynes, the FY twenty three n da A established a secure process 783 01:04:33,519 --> 01:04:40,000 for ARROW to interview witnesses. We are pleased with the number of interviews Arrow 784 01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:45,639 has conducted, but ask Congress be regularly informed about the content of the interviews 785 01:04:45,719 --> 01:04:53,519 going forward. I mean that's significant. That's basically saying that that Arrow has 786 01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:58,800 not been telling Congress what these whistleblowers have been telling them. And then and 787 01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:04,840 then you have then you have doctor Kirkpatrick kind of glassing over the whole thing 788 01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:12,639 in the Senate hearing that the recent Senate hearing on Arrow. Yeah, Vinny, 789 01:05:12,679 --> 01:05:15,400 what do you think about that? I mean that that's for them to 790 01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:20,360 have to specify. Hey, Arrow, tell us about what these whistleblowers have 791 01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,960 been telling you that. I don't know what to think about that. But 792 01:05:25,079 --> 01:05:28,000 it's not good. No, it's not good at all. I mean, 793 01:05:28,039 --> 01:05:30,880 you've got two members of the Gang of Eight here, people who have extreme 794 01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,679 amounts of power to be able to do something with this information. And if 795 01:05:33,679 --> 01:05:36,599 they're not getting it, how can they act? You know? So, 796 01:05:36,719 --> 01:05:41,239 Yeah, if they need to be kept in the loop with what is reported 797 01:05:41,519 --> 01:05:43,960 by the whistle bowers to Arrow, you know, there's got to be some 798 01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,400 streamline or structured way for this to be a regular thing so that the information 799 01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,880 flows you know. But again, this is just another example of how things 800 01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:58,679 are just slowed down and not happening as per the NDAA, Like the previous 801 01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:02,320 point about the icy integration for the Deputy Director, that again, we're now 802 01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:06,960 in May, and we still have many parts of the legislation that have not 803 01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:13,480 been implemented, and it's just not acceptable. It's absolutely not acceptable, and 804 01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,119 it completely flies in the face of Congressional intent. And in a way, 805 01:06:17,199 --> 01:06:20,320 it's it's sort of giving the middle finger to Senator Jill Brand and the other 806 01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:28,400 senators that they don't care what they're legislating, which that's not how a democracy 807 01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:32,360 works for sure. Another point here. The FY twenty three NDAA also directed 808 01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:40,199 Arrow to stand up a secure public facing website or communication mechanism to outline the 809 01:06:40,199 --> 01:06:45,079 secure process for witnesses to come forward with relevant information. To date, we 810 01:06:45,159 --> 01:06:50,159 have seen no efforts to Amy to communicate the existence of the secure process to 811 01:06:50,199 --> 01:06:55,559 the public. We request that you provide an update on the plan to publicize 812 01:06:55,719 --> 01:06:59,519 the secure process for witnesses to come forward. So these whistleblowers that have come 813 01:06:59,519 --> 01:07:03,800 forward, they essentially have gone to members of Congress and then and then these 814 01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:08,599 members of Congress have then you know, sent them over to Arrow. You 815 01:07:08,639 --> 01:07:13,320 need to call this person. And we understand that some of these interviews have 816 01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:17,840 taken place in person in a secure facility. Others have been done over the 817 01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:27,039 telephone under a secure phone means. But yeah, I just again, I 818 01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:35,280 just essentially a two star general that cannot find a way to make all of 819 01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:39,519 this happen. I just don't understand it. And here's the other thing too. 820 01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:44,440 If if I were doctor Kirkpatrick and all of this were mandated, and 821 01:07:45,199 --> 01:07:48,159 maybe he has done this, but if I were being stopped at every turn, 822 01:07:48,199 --> 01:07:50,920 I would immediately go to Congress and say, look, these guys aren't 823 01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:58,880 letting me do my job. So I just don't understand it. And then 824 01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:02,800 finally they say, we have not seen an aero strategic communication strategy. ERRO 825 01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:08,119 established a Twitter presence in July twenty twenty two, but has yet to post 826 01:08:08,159 --> 01:08:13,880 anything further despite attracting over thirty one thousand followers. This highlights the lack of 827 01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:18,680 communication and transparency with the public. We seek to understand why ARROW has not 828 01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:25,319 made use of its social media presence and the future plan for educating the public 829 01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:30,520 on the mission and findings of ARROW again, same thing. That Twitter page 830 01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:36,239 has been up for how long and absolutely no post whatsoever. To me, 831 01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:41,399 that's just unexcusable. And the other thing I would I would say as well, 832 01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:45,800 if I were standing up an office and I were the director of that 833 01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:49,840 office, doctor Kirkpatrick, I would say, the number two person, the 834 01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:56,359 number the actually probably the first hire I would make would be a communications director, 835 01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:00,159 because your office is only going to be as successful as you're able to 836 01:09:00,159 --> 01:09:04,079 communicate your mission. And yeah, so you know, I'm very frustrated by 837 01:09:04,079 --> 01:09:10,920 that, Chris, am I being overly frustrated by that. No, No, 838 01:09:11,119 --> 01:09:14,600 So I think that Kirpatrick would disagree with you, because he's very much 839 01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:16,039 into the science. Seems like, let me just do my job. He's 840 01:09:16,079 --> 01:09:20,720 probably get into a room analyze the cases basically, although I don't know how 841 01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:27,000 you effectually does that without a depty director from the intelligence community, because I 842 01:09:27,039 --> 01:09:33,520 remember, with the intelligence community, then you've got access to the National Security 843 01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:40,399 Agency, the n RO, National Geospatial Intelligence Agency. So how are you 844 01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:45,399 going to work out all these cases just with a video basically using Mickwest techniques 845 01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,760 unless you can actually have the full data. For instance, let's look at 846 01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:55,359 the West coast events to happen recently, it's still not knowing where these things 847 01:09:55,399 --> 01:09:59,279 came from. So I spoke to Susan Goff a few months ago and she 848 01:09:59,359 --> 01:10:03,000 told me that they're investigating, UM those cases as part of that UM. 849 01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:08,079 So that that that's really big. And I think with some of these cases 850 01:10:08,159 --> 01:10:11,439 you can't positively be identified them unless you know who they came, where they 851 01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:15,960 came from, and who these operators are. Those are basic things and we're 852 01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:21,079 yeah, and what you just said in terms of communications, UM director, 853 01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:27,039 Yeah, that that is that is so important. I think that, you 854 01:10:27,079 --> 01:10:30,479 know, it would be great to have a communication strategy in terms of this, 855 01:10:30,079 --> 01:10:36,960 in actually providing monthly updates how the progress has gone UM and if there 856 01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:41,319 are any holdups or anything like that, just just communicate them. I think 857 01:10:41,359 --> 01:10:45,319 if we're honest, you know, UM, then people would understand that. 858 01:10:45,399 --> 01:10:49,319 And if Kirkpatrick had said before, for instance, that I need the proper 859 01:10:49,359 --> 01:10:55,960 authorities to actually do my vision instead of having to wait until a public hearing 860 01:10:56,039 --> 01:10:59,239 to do that, then we would have understood that. You know. So 861 01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:05,159 communication is very very much key to this, and I'm very disappointed so far 862 01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:10,760 about how it's gold. I would agree, And again this comes back to 863 01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,279 my frustration with doctor Kirkpatrick. Maybe he's not the man for the job. 864 01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:21,760 The director of an office, what's on a topic that this is important. 865 01:11:23,039 --> 01:11:29,520 If you don't have a front facing public web page, you're not responding on 866 01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:35,520 Twitter, you have no communication strategy, you're not you're not communicating to Congress 867 01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:40,159 what these whistleblowers have been saying. And then you go in front of a 868 01:11:40,199 --> 01:11:43,800 hearing and, in my opinion, blow off what these whistleblowers have been telling 869 01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:45,680 me. I don't know. I mean, again, I'm trying to give 870 01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:49,279 him the benefit of the doubt, but everything that I'm hearing so far says 871 01:11:49,319 --> 01:11:53,640 to me he is not the man for the job. He may be a 872 01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:59,760 great scientist and all of that, but you usually don't have scientists running this 873 01:12:00,119 --> 01:12:03,800 kind of program. You would have somebody from the intelligence community that's that's going 874 01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:10,279 to be open to it, and not. It's just it makes makes no 875 01:12:10,359 --> 01:12:14,520 sense. So let's jump it back into the into the interview. One of 876 01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:20,279 the last questions that I asked was what would she say to the gatekeepers that 877 01:12:20,319 --> 01:12:25,399 have kept this secret? And she noted that, you know, we obviously 878 01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:29,600 cannot have Chinese balloons, but said that it's it's not the job of the 879 01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:34,800 gatekeepers to whether to level with the public. This, I think is another 880 01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:40,359 really important statement that if you read between the lines, she is not, 881 01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:46,560 in my opinion, is not talking about prosaic explanations. It just it makes 882 01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:53,319 no sense to me, Uh, she's talking about orbs, things that are 883 01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:57,880 not from here. Otherwise, why would these gatekeepers go to such lengths to 884 01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:01,119 hide this and retaliate against blowers and all of that. Chris, what do 885 01:13:01,159 --> 01:13:04,079 you think am I reading between the lines here too much? Or is do 886 01:13:04,079 --> 01:13:06,520 you think that may have been what she where she was going with that? 887 01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:13,199 No, you're not at all. You have to read between the lines with 888 01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:17,439 politicians. Anyone who's a political out there, watches all the politics and who's 889 01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:21,239 involved in politics. They realize that you have to read between the lines when 890 01:13:21,279 --> 01:13:26,000 these kinds of statements made, especially with someone who could literally be put in 891 01:13:26,039 --> 01:13:31,479 jail if they say too much because they're being they're being given class by materials 892 01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:34,399 to work with. So I would say, you're right at the money there, 893 01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:40,600 and I think I think she realizes and it's been made very very clear 894 01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:45,439 to me that you brand knows and other members of the Congress Provydaday to realize 895 01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:49,760 isn't from here, it's from somewhere else. They know that they know that 896 01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:55,920 already. Um. I mean, and all those people that doubt them that 897 01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:59,920 they sell you know, it's just lou Alisondo and this is just Chris Nellen. 898 01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:03,720 They have no idea what they're talking about, no idea. I wonder 899 01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,560 if let me see, I don't even think they've got a brain cell between 900 01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:11,359 them, to be fair, because you've got John Racliffe. I know for 901 01:14:11,399 --> 01:14:14,640 a fact that none of them know John Racliff. I don't I doubt Lui 902 01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,800 Asondo or Chris Mallen have ever met John Racliffe in her life. But they're 903 01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:24,000 both singing from their Sami hymn sheet. So others who are actually been privy 904 01:14:24,039 --> 01:14:27,680 to this stature as well, they're all singing from the same hymn sheet. 905 01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:32,359 I mean, unless who Alizondo has you know, telepathic powers and can like 906 01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:36,720 or she do things. Um, even though he doesn't know you and I 907 01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:42,239 don't know, it seems it seems very very unlikely that you know, it's 908 01:14:42,239 --> 01:14:46,640 a one man mission to deceive everyone, right, I mean, we're talking 909 01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:51,279 about serious, serious, you know, serious, a serious topic here and 910 01:14:51,319 --> 01:14:59,079 a serious politician terms of um, Senator Giller brand Um. And I think 911 01:14:59,119 --> 01:15:00,600 again, people just need to get real about this whole thing, you know, 912 01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:06,680 instead of just being childish really and being ecocentric. So um, yeah, 913 01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:11,000 I think I think progress is being made. She knows what she's talking 914 01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:15,399 about, and you'll be right to read between the lines. So so, 915 01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,439 Vinny, our final question to her was on legal amnesty. We asked, 916 01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:23,960 should there be legal amnesty for folks that have hidden this from the public? 917 01:15:24,399 --> 01:15:29,279 And I don't think she really she may not have understood exactly what I meant 918 01:15:29,279 --> 01:15:33,560 by that, And of course what I meant by that were the people that 919 01:15:34,039 --> 01:15:40,760 have have for decades hidden this from the American public, destroyed careers, destroyed 920 01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:47,600 lives over this. And and may these these NGOs or non elected officials that 921 01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:51,479 have decided on behest of all of us that you guys don't need to know 922 01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:59,399 about this stuff. And again, this goes back decades before quad copts or 923 01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:03,520 anything like that. So, Vinny, do you think she misunderstood the question 924 01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:08,039 or do you think she was just being careful? And how how she answered 925 01:16:08,039 --> 01:16:13,319 that? It's hard to say and I wouldn't like to speculate too much, 926 01:16:14,039 --> 01:16:16,760 but I think she didn't look at it one hundred percent how it should have 927 01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,520 been answered. You know, we need to and this is a conversation that 928 01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:23,640 has been happening for a couple of years now that these people that have been 929 01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:28,640 withholding this information from us. How much do we focus on letting them off, 930 01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:30,600 like give us the information and we'll kind of let you off to a 931 01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:35,600 degree, And then how much do we focus on punishing? I suppose this 932 01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:40,239 is the only really word you know, this is kind of maybe could be 933 01:16:40,279 --> 01:16:44,279 defined in some ways as criminal for what they've done in the past. So 934 01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:45,800 which part of that do we focus on. Do we focus on just getting 935 01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:49,439 the information and forgetting about all of what they've been withholding, or do we 936 01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:53,640 really you put it to them? So yeah, I mean I don't think 937 01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,560 she really focused on that. I think she was still sort of down that 938 01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:00,920 whistleblower sort of a line of questioning. So again I don't want to speculate, 939 01:17:01,119 --> 01:17:05,720 of course, of course, Chris, what do you think? Um? 940 01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:12,720 Sorry, So you know, when we were asking her about whether there 941 01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:16,760 should be amnesty extended to the folks that are being engaged in covering this up 942 01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:21,239 for decades, because, as as Venie noted, they're most likely and I 943 01:17:21,279 --> 01:17:26,279 am one hundred percent in agreement, there was likely criminal activity that took place. 944 01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,520 What do you think it is? Do you think it was kind of 945 01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:33,319 a misunderstanding of the question and we're actually scrapped out? Do you think that 946 01:17:33,359 --> 01:17:39,920 there should be amnesty for these whistleblowers and as a mechanism to encourage these folks 947 01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:45,960 to come forward and spill the beans. That shouldn't be just amnesty for whistleblowers. 948 01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:53,319 There should be amnesty for arias based companies. That's where this needs to 949 01:17:53,359 --> 01:17:55,520 go. I mean, if you want to if you want to get to 950 01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:59,399 these programs, if you want to access to them, especially if they being 951 01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:03,239 ciphered up two aerospace companies and Congress has no way of getting to them, 952 01:18:03,319 --> 01:18:08,319 or at least it would take years or decades or even get through these processes. 953 01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:12,720 You need adymnesty from them, and I don't, to be perfectly honest 954 01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:20,680 with you, I think that I think I would just m I'll come back 955 01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:26,720 in two years maybe and I'll be able to talk further detail about this, 956 01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:30,960 But I think, yeah, keep keep asking that question. In terms of 957 01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:36,319 aerospace companies and keep on thinking about how we got to this right stage we're 958 01:18:36,319 --> 01:18:41,560 in at the MAD I totally agree. Okay, let's get to some listener 959 01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:46,079 questions. Everyone has been super patient with their with their questions. Let's see 960 01:18:46,079 --> 01:18:50,000 here. So a question from Nick M question from the chat. Who has 961 01:18:50,039 --> 01:18:57,279 been retaliated against? And how will the retaliators be punished? So I can 962 01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:04,720 what I can share is that I spoken with UM with whistleblowers that have experienced 963 01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:12,399 a significant amount of retaliation from different elements. UM. It's not something I 964 01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:16,079 can comment on, but it is, it has happened. The retaliation is 965 01:19:16,079 --> 01:19:21,359 significant, and it has occurred even in spite of this legislation. And this 966 01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:28,159 is something that we are going to be communicating directly with Senator Jill Brand's office 967 01:19:28,159 --> 01:19:33,000 about these cases that we are aware of. UM, So, Chris or 968 01:19:33,079 --> 01:19:36,720 Vinny, and also for any questions here in the chat, if you have 969 01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:43,520 anything, any question specifically for Vinny or Chris, just say so, Vinny 970 01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:45,560 and Chris, any thoughts on that or anything that you would like to share 971 01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:50,680 in terms of what kind of retaliation has taken place that you can speak about. 972 01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:55,439 I mean, it's happened on all levels, doesn't It's happened within the 973 01:19:55,560 --> 01:20:00,000 Armed services when it comes to pilots and service personnel, even reporting this kind 974 01:20:00,039 --> 01:20:02,399 of thing that's been pushed back, you know, and this goes right up 975 01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:05,600 to the highest level. So other than adding that to what you already said, 976 01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:11,039 you know, it's been happening for a long time and on all levels, 977 01:20:11,119 --> 01:20:16,399 Chris, I would say that you have to get you have to get 978 01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:20,119 as much as some really really horrible stuff has happened, and you're dealing with 979 01:20:20,239 --> 01:20:24,560 trained hillers a lot of the time, but making these threats, I would 980 01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:27,279 say that once truth comes out, you need you need to get beyond that, 981 01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:30,880 because we may be dealing with some more concerning things in terms of the 982 01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:36,520 activities from some UAP which seems to be prepping the battlefield. So I think 983 01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:41,119 that the concern needs to be placed elsewhere, which is perhaps why some of 984 01:20:41,159 --> 01:20:44,520 these people don't want the information out. Perhaps perhaps these people are just good 985 01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:51,720 patriots and American patriots. Sorry but sorry, no, no problem. Yeah, 986 01:20:51,079 --> 01:20:56,039 I completely agree. And what I will say about that retaliation, I 987 01:20:56,079 --> 01:21:00,680 would classify it as administrative terrorism. That is the best way to describe what 988 01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:06,279 these these men and women in uniform of experience. It's just it's just crazy. 989 01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:12,079 Okay, super super chat question here. I keep hearing there are military 990 01:21:12,119 --> 01:21:16,760 and intelligence people that will be coming forward in twenty twenty three with huge revelations. 991 01:21:17,079 --> 01:21:20,520 What are your sources saying, Vine, I'll throw that throw that to 992 01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:25,239 you first. Well, you know we did. We've been hearing about this 993 01:21:25,279 --> 01:21:30,319 for some time from multiple people publicly and from sources as well. And you 994 01:21:30,359 --> 01:21:33,199 know, I think these people have come forward, but they are coming forward 995 01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:38,239 and classified settings, so we will not be hearing that information anytime soon. 996 01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,239 But you know, from what I've heard, and I know from you know, 997 01:21:41,279 --> 01:21:45,159 having conversations with other people that they've also been told that this information is 998 01:21:45,199 --> 01:21:48,359 getting brought forward. But again it's not something that's likely to become public. 999 01:21:49,239 --> 01:21:55,399 Agree, Chris, I know you're you're having having to deal with your son 1000 01:21:55,439 --> 01:22:00,560 popping into the into the Christopher Sharp studio there. So the question was if 1001 01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,680 he didn't hear it was this was a super chat question. I keep hearing 1002 01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:08,479 that there are military and intelligence people that are will be coming forward in twenty 1003 01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:14,840 twenty three with huge revelations. What are your sources saying? My sources have 1004 01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:17,720 to be very big careful with me because I'm a journalist. But I would 1005 01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:20,399 say, in answer to the proper of the battlefield question, these things been 1006 01:22:20,399 --> 01:22:23,840 here for a long time. What are you talking about? What we're dealing 1007 01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:27,399 with the entire university. When people say, oh, UFOs are just one 1008 01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,319 entity, it's like the universe is a pretty big place, you know, 1009 01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:33,159 like they're not just coming from one civilization. I mean, it's just a 1010 01:22:33,159 --> 01:22:36,840 little bit simplistic here. I mean, Earth's complicated enough, and we're just 1011 01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:41,000 one planet. I mean, seems a little bit simple. I don't know, 1012 01:22:41,239 --> 01:22:45,680 but yeah, I would say, I Oh, I'm hearing his chatter 1013 01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:49,960 from multiple multiple sources on this that there are gonna be some big revelations. 1014 01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:55,359 I don't know exactly what they would be, but I'm expecting some big things. 1015 01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:59,239 I can't comment whether they are going to be game changing things, but 1016 01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:01,399 I'm here wearing their big But let's just wait until they come out to see 1017 01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:04,520 how much of a game changer they actually are. But all I can say 1018 01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:10,039 is that we're not just dealing with you know, two Star Freestar here, 1019 01:23:10,079 --> 01:23:15,560 within the within the Pentagon. We're dealing with like some very really big players 1020 01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:21,199 that we've had directors of the former directors the CIA comment on UAP before. 1021 01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:26,119 Look, a lot of senior people know about this, so I would hope 1022 01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:30,560 that someone very very senior does come forward to actually kind of make more of 1023 01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:34,800 a wave in terms of UAP because of their name in their states. And 1024 01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:39,319 so yeah, that's that would be my hope anyway. But no one, 1025 01:23:39,359 --> 01:23:43,439 no one, no one ain't telling me anything. So yeah, what I 1026 01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:45,800 can share is what have been what has been shared with me. The extent 1027 01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:51,640 of what I can say is that some very significant things will becoming forward, 1028 01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:58,760 very very very very significant, and I think hopefully by the end of the 1029 01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:03,560 summer we will be having a very different conversation. Okay, moving moving on 1030 01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:10,720 here. So I'll throw this to Vinny. What if bad actors, what 1031 01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:15,600 if bad actors are in Arrow, how can whistleblowers trust them? It's a 1032 01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:19,359 very good question. It's a very good question. Indeed, I don't know. 1033 01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:24,880 I mean, we hear that these people may be interviewed by Dr Kirkpatrick. 1034 01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,840 I don't know if there's any other people within Arrow that they're talking to. 1035 01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:32,840 I really don't know. I mean, even if Dr Kirkpatrick is a 1036 01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:35,359 bad actor, he's still got a job to do, and he's still got 1037 01:24:35,359 --> 01:24:38,960 a report to the relevant people, and if, you know, if he's 1038 01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:42,640 not doing his job, there'll be repercussions. So I think there's only so 1039 01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:45,359 much you can obvious skate and hide when you're in such a such a job. 1040 01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:48,239 So, you know, I like to think that no matter what happens, 1041 01:24:48,319 --> 01:24:51,960 no matter what stone Walling's going on, that things will still you know, 1042 01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:57,079 slip through the net. And you know, even the delays and the 1043 01:24:57,159 --> 01:25:00,399 slow movement of this office getting up and running in the first this year, 1044 01:25:00,039 --> 01:25:02,920 I'd like to think that eventually something will happen, and if it doesn't, 1045 01:25:03,399 --> 01:25:08,279 then Congress and the powers that be will have to kind of reassess the whole 1046 01:25:08,319 --> 01:25:11,560 thing. Where do they go from here? Do they scrap Arrow completely? 1047 01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:15,279 Does an office need to be set up in the executive Branch that reports much 1048 01:25:15,359 --> 01:25:17,000 higher up to almost to the White House? You know, there are many 1049 01:25:17,039 --> 01:25:20,399 ways that this can sort of change in the next six to twelve months, 1050 01:25:20,399 --> 01:25:24,520 and I think, you know, maybe we'll see that happen. I certainly 1051 01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:29,439 hope. So another question specifically for you, Vinny, do you feel good 1052 01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:33,039 about her attitude and stance and her being Senator Jill brand in that interview. 1053 01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:40,640 Yes, she's given me absolutely no reason to think particularly negative of her. 1054 01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:44,039 I know she was very cautious in the way that she answered questions. That's 1055 01:25:44,079 --> 01:25:46,600 to be expected. There's no surprise there for me whatsoever. And again, 1056 01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:49,399 let's just see how this plays out. You know, we saw in the 1057 01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:54,399 hearing that I felt there should have been some follow up questions from the Senator 1058 01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:58,159 to doctor Kirkpatrick. But again, we don't always get what we want and 1059 01:25:58,239 --> 01:26:01,399 think, you know, as someone watching from cozy front rooms at home, 1060 01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:03,880 that maybe we would have done this, we would have done that. So 1061 01:26:04,079 --> 01:26:06,039 you know, I give her the benefit of the doubt on some things, 1062 01:26:06,039 --> 01:26:10,199 and you know, let's see how this plays out. I know people will 1063 01:26:10,199 --> 01:26:14,119 get very impatient and they want the answers yesterday. But you know, as 1064 01:26:14,119 --> 01:26:17,239 someone who follows this on a daily basis, you know, I see where 1065 01:26:17,239 --> 01:26:24,079 this is going and I think we can remain somewhat positive. I agree, 1066 01:26:25,079 --> 01:26:29,079 Chris, Chris. Do you think we will see Eric Davis, Admiral Wilson, 1067 01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:32,079 or Bob Lazar testify in public? I know there have been rumors of 1068 01:26:32,239 --> 01:26:39,479 possible house hearings this June you think we might see folks like them, or 1069 01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:44,239 even like Blue El Losandoor or other other folks that have been involved in this 1070 01:26:44,359 --> 01:26:50,760 topic. Oops, I'll throw that to Viny. I think you your mics 1071 01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:58,600 off there, Chris, Personally, I don't think we're going to see any 1072 01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:02,600 of those faces. I think there are so many more people within the intelligence 1073 01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:08,119 community, people within higher positions in the government as well, that are probably 1074 01:27:08,159 --> 01:27:11,560 more likely to be called first. I think, you know, further down 1075 01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:14,800 the line, we may start seeing the likes of people who worked in previous 1076 01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:19,199 programs that this summer. If we were to see lou or Eric Davis and 1077 01:27:19,239 --> 01:27:25,840 that, I'd be very surprised. But that's just my opinions I can answer. 1078 01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:30,680 Now. Sorry, my little boy was like, apologies for that, 1079 01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:36,079 but yeah, I would say that notes being taken. I would I wouldn't 1080 01:27:36,119 --> 01:27:40,680 suggest that a date has been put in place at moment. I say it's 1081 01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:45,880 very much a process still ongoing in terms of getting it all prepared. In 1082 01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:48,399 terms of the hearing again, I will use the language that is the intent 1083 01:27:49,119 --> 01:27:57,720 forum for Burchette to actually hold hearings within the OS like committee in one of 1084 01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:01,520 those subcommittees, perhaps I would say that we're probably watching closely what happened in 1085 01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:06,319 the recent Senate hearing as well and learning lessons and taking on board the feedback 1086 01:28:06,319 --> 01:28:12,319 from the community especially. Um but I think that we're in we're in very 1087 01:28:12,399 --> 01:28:15,560 very safe hands, and I think that once this is all done and over, 1088 01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:19,960 I think we've learned the full extent in terms of what's gone on behind 1089 01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:26,840 the scenes and getting the hearing. If it happens in motion, I think 1090 01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:29,920 I think it's going to be really really big. Actually, I would note 1091 01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:35,640 as well, the Representative Lunar is in that back committee, and she's former 1092 01:28:36,079 --> 01:28:40,319 US Air Force and she's not exactly the biggest fan of the US Air Force 1093 01:28:40,359 --> 01:28:45,680 either. UM, So I expect some fireworks to potentially take place. I 1094 01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:49,560 agree. I am very much looking forward to it. And yeah, I 1095 01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:54,359 think I think by the summer we're gonna By the end of the summer, 1096 01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:57,760 I would say we'll be having a different conversation. And I also want to 1097 01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:01,960 bring up to one one credit. One criticism I've heard Mickwest bring up is 1098 01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:12,720 that these senators staffers have have just kind of bullshitted their way with their senators 1099 01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:16,600 and their Congressmen, and these sort of I guess I don't know if they 1100 01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:25,720 consider them UFO enthusiast staffers have completely fooled the senators or congress people into putting 1101 01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:30,279 forth all this legislation. They just they just completely fell for some charade. 1102 01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:36,279 I there is no more assinine argument. I mean, vic West makes tons 1103 01:29:36,279 --> 01:29:41,439 of them, we know that. But there's no more asinine argument than that. 1104 01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:49,600 I can tell you from extensive conversations that I've had with multiple, multiple 1105 01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:54,680 staffers that work for these congressmen and senators. And you have to keep in 1106 01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:59,520 mind, these these aren't staffers that are just bringing coffee or something like that. 1107 01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:05,039 These are these are staffers that hold very high security clearances, staffers that 1108 01:30:06,399 --> 01:30:13,720 specialize in the intelligence community and community, or the DoD community. These staffers 1109 01:30:14,119 --> 01:30:17,720 are they number one. They're working their asses off for the people in this 1110 01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:21,920 country and really the world when it comes to this topic. They are very 1111 01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:27,680 well informed on this topic, and they have to be because they are the 1112 01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:31,319 ones that are going to these senators and saying you need you need to legislate 1113 01:30:31,359 --> 01:30:39,279 on this particular issue. This is the evidence, and I guarantee you it's 1114 01:30:39,319 --> 01:30:44,079 not just balloons and drones that they are concerned about. We'll ask you a 1115 01:30:44,159 --> 01:30:47,319 question, of course, um has make quests or any of the other these 1116 01:30:47,359 --> 01:30:53,359 other people criticizing, have any of them when you're understanding of what in politics 1117 01:30:53,359 --> 01:31:00,960 before? So Mick West my understanding Mick West and this Jason guy and Colovido, 1118 01:31:01,119 --> 01:31:03,279 I don't know what it is. Or the guy in the basement, 1119 01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:09,880 Um, what's his name? Green Street. I don't believe they've ever worked 1120 01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:16,520 in politics, national security or anything like that. My personal belief is that 1121 01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:27,399 these folks are really just there to sow distrust and chaos. They're not They're 1122 01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:32,000 not bringing anything constructive to the conversation. Their soul, their soul thing is 1123 01:31:32,039 --> 01:31:35,760 to disrupt the conversation, you know. And the other thing you have to 1124 01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:43,319 ask yourself too, like why if let's say I were interested in let's say 1125 01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:47,039 I were interested in or not interested in snowboarding or something like that, I 1126 01:31:47,079 --> 01:31:50,359 wouldn't I would just move on to something else. I wouldn't spend all of 1127 01:31:50,359 --> 01:31:55,560 my time on it. Or let's say I didn't believe in the Lochness Monster, 1128 01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:58,680 I would say, Okay, I don't believe in the Lochness Monster, 1129 01:31:58,720 --> 01:32:01,359 and then I'd go out and have it be Or I wouldn't spend eight nine 1130 01:32:01,439 --> 01:32:08,479 ten hours a day running some debunking website with the sole purpose. It just 1131 01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:14,479 makes absolutely no sense. So that's again that's my personal opinion. A lot 1132 01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,399 of people may disagree with that, but yeah, took very long when died. 1133 01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:23,720 Way, I don't believe any of these folks A have ever interviewed a 1134 01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:30,720 sitting United States senator for one, or a congressman b I don't believe any 1135 01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:35,960 of them have ever had conversations with officials on Capitol Hill. I think they're 1136 01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:42,760 just they're just kind of armchair keyboard warriors doing whatever they're doing for a reason 1137 01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:47,840 I do not understand at all, absolutely based on that they provide zero ins 1138 01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:55,479 like to the conversation, zero value and be fair, they're just not worth 1139 01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:58,880 my time. You've got to be listening to people. Actually, do you 1140 01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:02,319 have insight? You know this cources involved who know people within the DAD intelligent 1141 01:33:03,319 --> 01:33:10,119 and politicians as well who have actually seen the classified data say multiple sources if 1142 01:33:10,159 --> 01:33:14,960 they're unconnected even better because they're not having conversations perhaps and they're all coming at 1143 01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:17,479 it from one way and they're say to clearly, what we're seeing is non 1144 01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:21,960 human intelligence. So I'd rather listen today's people than people like marriage for example, 1145 01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:26,520 who does actually have a little experience working in the Embama White House and 1146 01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:30,760 a game's development, or someone who clearly has psychological like many of them do. 1147 01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:36,039 So I wouldn't really give them any worry whatsoever or listen or take them 1148 01:33:36,039 --> 01:33:41,479 seriously. Right, They're irrelevant to the conversation. Well exactly. And look, 1149 01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:45,279 if I mean, let's say that I don't believe in the likeness monster. 1150 01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:48,880 Hey, if somebody wants to bring up and show some evidence about the 1151 01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:53,479 blackness monster being real, I'd say, okay, convince me otherwise. But 1152 01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:59,800 with these folks, it's a predetermined conclusion and their sole purpose in life as 1153 01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:06,079 he either clicks or maybe meeting performance metrics for Rupert Murdoch to keep yourself gainfully 1154 01:34:06,119 --> 01:34:11,399 employed at News Corp. Or I mean, who knows. I mean, 1155 01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:15,079 I have no idea what makes what makes these people tick. It's it's true, 1156 01:34:15,239 --> 01:34:18,520 truly a mystery. But they're not doing the country any favors at all, 1157 01:34:19,119 --> 01:34:23,119 and they do not They do not speak to multiple people in d od 1158 01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:28,920 Ice or elsewhere. I would be surprised if if they were. Okay, 1159 01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:34,000 final question here has Jillibrand ever addressed lack of US Air Force involvement. That 1160 01:34:34,119 --> 01:34:39,399 is actually a question I wish I would have asked it, because it is 1161 01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:45,079 a question that I've had for quite some time. I I don't know how 1162 01:34:45,079 --> 01:34:48,039 she would address it, but I think it's been very clear from folks like 1163 01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:55,000 Christopher Mellen, who was what a former Assistant under Secretary Defense or Intelligence, 1164 01:34:55,239 --> 01:35:00,600 that the Air Force has not been cooperating at all. U Again, this 1165 01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:03,760 is a democracy. These folks work for us. It's not the other way 1166 01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:09,399 around, and it's not for them to decide if they want to play by 1167 01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:13,399 the rules or if they want to follow the law. That's not what this 1168 01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:19,039 country was built on. So um, Yeah, it's my guess is that 1169 01:35:19,119 --> 01:35:25,800 the Air Force has a lot to hide and has a lot of legal exposure 1170 01:35:26,279 --> 01:35:30,199 for what they've done over the past eighty years. And the other the other 1171 01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:34,239 issue as well, which I've spoken about quite a bit. You know, 1172 01:35:34,319 --> 01:35:40,800 there have been many people that were former US Air Force nuclear launch control officers, 1173 01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:47,720 above ground police police officers at Mintman nuclear missile squadrons that had UAP experiences 1174 01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:55,840 either above ground where they encountered these craft above missile silos, or having if 1175 01:35:55,880 --> 01:36:01,479 they were launched control officer having UAP disable their their Minuteman fly to missiles which 1176 01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:08,920 fled is ten ICBMs. These these cases are documented. Uh, these people 1177 01:36:09,039 --> 01:36:15,359 have testified, multiple people have testified to Arrow under oath that these things occurred 1178 01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:21,000 under oath under the penalty of perjury. Um, these folks have have testified. 1179 01:36:21,439 --> 01:36:26,640 And UM, I am quite sure that is one of the main reasons 1180 01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:30,399 that the Air Force is looking the other way and trying to obfuse, skate 1181 01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:36,399 and lie about it. Um. Yeah. And and kind of one thing 1182 01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:43,439 we'll we'll sort of close on before before we end here. These whistleblowers, 1183 01:36:44,359 --> 01:36:50,079 they have nothing to gain and everything to lose by coming forward with their stories. 1184 01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:56,800 These are men and women, patriots that have served our country and put 1185 01:36:56,840 --> 01:37:00,800 their lives on the line for us. And we owe it to them to 1186 01:37:01,039 --> 01:37:06,399 listen to them and respect their testimony. And Arrow owes it to Congress to 1187 01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:15,800 tell their report. These whistleblower stories up the chain up to Congress to ignore 1188 01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:19,399 them and sort of blow them off, which is how I took Senator Kirkpatrick's 1189 01:37:19,399 --> 01:37:28,079 response, I think really flies in the face of the congressional intent. Chris 1190 01:37:28,119 --> 01:37:33,800 Any thoughts on that. Yeah, I'm very very confident that he has blown 1191 01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:38,039 them off. I'm very confident in some cases that he hasn't taken. And 1192 01:37:38,119 --> 01:37:43,199 I say, I don't just say that, I sincerely believe that in some 1193 01:37:43,279 --> 01:37:50,960 instances he's perhaps pretended to take compuriously but then behind their backs kind of blown 1194 01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:55,399 them off basically and said, actually, I think they were at all believable 1195 01:37:55,439 --> 01:37:59,880 at all. So I don't. Yeah, I think at least some cases 1196 01:38:00,079 --> 01:38:02,640 is when that has happened. But all I would say is that in cases 1197 01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:06,920 like this, it takes an investigator, sometimes not a scientist, to actually 1198 01:38:09,119 --> 01:38:15,319 verify and validate what to day to the relevant offices and agencies before doing before 1199 01:38:15,399 --> 01:38:21,760 kind of like making conclusions. And all I can say is that I think 1200 01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:29,560 that I think that it's very very telling from the recent Warner and Rubio letter 1201 01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:33,680 that they feel that certain details aren't to them. And like I said, 1202 01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:39,039 these whistleblowers have all come to the Congress before they've gone to Kirt Patrick's, 1203 01:38:39,079 --> 01:38:44,239 so they're basically they've got them say know what they've said, So they're exchanging 1204 01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:48,000 boots between what they've taken down from the testimony and what Kirt Patrick's told them. 1205 01:38:48,159 --> 01:38:54,399 So, Yeah, I think of a certain extent, I think the 1206 01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:57,840 DoD in general and arrow of being boxed in. I don't want to be 1207 01:38:57,840 --> 01:39:00,399 too unaffair to short cut back trick. He's a scientist. I think he 1208 01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:04,039 needs more support there. I think he do need those investigators in there. 1209 01:39:04,079 --> 01:39:09,119 At the same time, I think he needs that person from the intelligence community 1210 01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:13,000 assisting him as well to make sure that he gets that data that he needs. 1211 01:39:13,239 --> 01:39:16,960 And he needs the authorization as world for this data from Natural Constant Constants 1212 01:39:17,039 --> 01:39:24,079 Office NGA and other places that will have the data to actually help assist him 1213 01:39:24,119 --> 01:39:28,560 get to the bottom of live case, but also get him to the bottom 1214 01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:32,600 of potential illegal SAPs as well. Yeah, and that's where this whole Title 1215 01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:41,399 fifty thing comes in. If if Kirkpatrick is being told about a unacknowledged special 1216 01:39:41,399 --> 01:39:48,880 access program that has retrieved off world retrieved sorry, retrieved intact off world vehicles, 1217 01:39:49,079 --> 01:39:55,520 let's say, theoretically, and he does not have Title fifty to go 1218 01:39:55,600 --> 01:40:00,760 digging into those SAPs. He's hamstrung. How Ever, Senator Jilla Brand and 1219 01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:06,600 these senators, they do have that authority to look into those SAPs and everything 1220 01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:12,479 that I'm hearing is that there are quite a few people with that data that 1221 01:40:13,199 --> 01:40:17,439 have either come forward or or are coming forward. And also speaking about coming 1222 01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:21,800 forward, I would say what has been shared with me by several whistleblowers is 1223 01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:31,159 a almost a deflation, a frustration in almost I would say, an anger 1224 01:40:31,199 --> 01:40:41,119 in a way as to how their testimony has been taken and treated. And 1225 01:40:41,319 --> 01:40:47,680 I think that was a perception and how doctor Kirkpatrick seemed to gloss over what 1226 01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:51,359 they have really gone out of their way and put their butts on the line 1227 01:40:53,079 --> 01:40:58,720 to do that. My hope is with this news that Senator Jilla Brand wants 1228 01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:02,359 these folks to come directly to her office. Uh. I'm hoping that that 1229 01:41:02,479 --> 01:41:10,600 changes their attitude. We uh we we were told of specific reporting mechanisms to 1230 01:41:10,840 --> 01:41:15,319 relay to these whistleblowers by Senator Jill Brand's office, and we are going to 1231 01:41:15,359 --> 01:41:24,000 facilitate that communication and encourage these folks that we speak with um to come forward 1232 01:41:24,039 --> 01:41:27,800 to Senator Jill Brand's office. I would say somebody, somebody said this in 1233 01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:33,279 the in the chat earlier, and I think maybe the the maybe the chat 1234 01:41:33,359 --> 01:41:41,279 or that particular message was erased. Somebody postulated maybe Senator Jill Brand is part 1235 01:41:41,279 --> 01:41:45,920 of the cover up. I can tell you one hundred percent absolutely not. 1236 01:41:45,319 --> 01:41:51,079 In my conversations with with that office, I can, I can. You 1237 01:41:51,119 --> 01:41:57,640 can take this to the bank. She and others will go down in American 1238 01:41:57,720 --> 01:42:02,159 history books and they will be spoken about out for decades to come and what 1239 01:42:02,199 --> 01:42:06,520 they are doing for this country and what the sacrifices. I think that or 1240 01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:11,600 the risks I would say that they've taken politically to bring this topic out of 1241 01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:15,560 the shadows. We owe Senator Jilly Brand, Senator Rubio and others that are 1242 01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:19,359 supporting this effort a huge debt of gratitude. They are not part of the 1243 01:42:19,399 --> 01:42:25,479 cover up. They are working to uncover it. Uh. And this is 1244 01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:30,399 sort of like a big ball of yarn that's been wound over eighty years and 1245 01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:35,720 it's going to take some effort to um to yank it out un any sort 1246 01:42:35,720 --> 01:42:39,079 of Actually, what do you have coming up? I hear, I hear 1247 01:42:39,119 --> 01:42:44,119 you have a couple of really great guests coming up on your show. I 1248 01:42:44,159 --> 01:42:47,039 don't know who they are. I hope they're okay, Um, Yeah, 1249 01:42:47,079 --> 01:42:50,520 what do you have coming up? Yeah? So I am going to be 1250 01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:57,640 joined by yourself and another friend here Chris, Chris shup this Wednesday live on 1251 01:42:57,680 --> 01:43:01,239 my channel. But also more importantly is return of my amazing co host Katie 1252 01:43:01,239 --> 01:43:04,239 Howland. So between the four of us, we're going to have such a 1253 01:43:04,239 --> 01:43:09,039 wonderful conversation and I'm really looking forward to it. I am as well. 1254 01:43:09,079 --> 01:43:13,439 I have to say, as I've as I've said before, Vinny, you 1255 01:43:13,439 --> 01:43:16,079 you were you were the first person on the UAP topic I ever interviewed. 1256 01:43:16,439 --> 01:43:23,439 And in terms of nervousness, this interview with Senator Jilla Brand that was my 1257 01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:29,119 amp of nervousness was up at about eleven. But when when when I interviewed 1258 01:43:29,119 --> 01:43:30,439 you, I was about an eight or a nine. I was up there. 1259 01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:34,159 Yeah, you're you're You're a legend in this in this community. And 1260 01:43:34,199 --> 01:43:39,119 it was such an honor for you to give give me your time. Uh. 1261 01:43:39,239 --> 01:43:43,640 So we're always happy, happy, too happy to help Chris. How 1262 01:43:43,680 --> 01:43:46,199 about yourself other than this this party that we have coming up on Wednesday, 1263 01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:51,039 Uh, anything that you can speak about, I know oftentimes there's until it's 1264 01:43:51,079 --> 01:44:00,920 out in the open. Uh it's Mum's the word. Yeah, there's some 1265 01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:03,439 really cool stuff happening. It's set to be a very very boring summer. 1266 01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:06,800 I would just go on holiday, turn off your phone for the next six 1267 01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:13,720 months. Nothing going on here, But seriously, stay tuned. I think 1268 01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:17,000 we're going to have a really really good summer. And I would also look 1269 01:44:17,079 --> 01:44:23,720 towards the Excentations Authorization Acts and Nation Defense Authorization at language being published to expect 1270 01:44:23,720 --> 01:44:29,039 some more UAP language being there. And yeah, I'm expecting really really big 1271 01:44:29,079 --> 01:44:32,279 things. And Ny really looking forward to your show just so you've got some 1272 01:44:32,359 --> 01:44:36,520 great guests, and yeah, really really excited for that one. Yeah, 1273 01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:42,640 I'm very much looking forward to it, and we're just gonna we're gonna wrap 1274 01:44:42,640 --> 01:44:45,720 it up here. But anyway, thank you both for the generosity of your 1275 01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:50,359 time and your your very thoughtful input and analysis on this really really great topic. 1276 01:44:50,399 --> 01:44:56,279 We're very excited to have this interview. We're hoping to announce some equally 1277 01:44:56,600 --> 01:45:00,479 exciting interviews to come on the Good tra Double Show. So anyway, I'm 1278 01:45:00,520 --> 01:45:04,560 Matt, thanks for joining us. And Chris Sharp and Vinnie Adams, thank 1279 01:45:04,600 --> 01:45:09,920 you both from across the Pond, and we will chat with you soon.