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Hello, everybody, Welcome, here
we go. It's that time again.

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Matt Connerton Unleashed and we are live
from the studios of w m n hinem

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and glorious downtown Manchester, New Hampshire. And it is a glorious day.

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It's windy, uh and a little
chilly. I was actually surprised when I

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went out this morning. It was
fifty degrees and you know, that's it's

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May. It's not like it's summertime. But yeah, somehow you just you

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get used to being warmer and warmer, and then all of a sudden it's

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cold and you go a burr.
I had to put on my coat.

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That's all right now. It is
a beautiful day out here in downtown Manchester.

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Of course, uh as I overlook
the city while not really we're only

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on the third floor, but as
I overlook up this part of Elm Street.

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Here from the studios of WMNH also
on Comcast ninety seven. If you're

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in Manchester and hello to Oliver our
online listeners across the nation and around the

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globe. You can go to my
website Matt Connerson dot com for all of

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your live streaming options, social media
links, show archives, etc. Etc.

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Today, By the way, we
have a great show for you.

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That track that I opened with that
is called Ghosts of Yesterday from a German

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band called Hell's Throne, and they're
actually going to be skyping in on the

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show. Uh not today, not
today. I'm giving you a little sneak

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preview, but that's coming up,
I think in June, early June.

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We have a great band coming up
today in the second hour, we're gonna

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be joined in studio by Horsefly Gulch
and these are you know, it's three

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guys who have been in the music
scene for a long time in various projects,

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but I haven't seen any of them
in forever, so this will be

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really cool. I love their sound
and we'll play some of their music for

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you later. And I think they
might play live in studio for us as

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well. So that'll be coming up
today in the second hour. I'm not

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sure about that. I forget now, I forget what Jenny told me,

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So that will be in the second
hour. Now. In the first hour,

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now, we have a new segment, my Friends, that we do

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with our friend Eric Pilcher. Eric, of course has been part of the

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show for a while now. A
couple of years or a year and a

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half, whatever it's been. I
don't know time. It just all gets

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away from me doing his classic film
review every Friday on the show, and

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you know, occasionally he'll call into
and we'll talk about other things. But

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this week we're starting a new segment
with him where we look at the media.

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I love talking about media stuff with
Eric. Whether it's a big media,

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you know, the corporate media,
or independent media slash online media.

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There's always very interesting things. I've
always liked shows about that kind of thing,

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Like NPR has a show called On
the Media where they analyze media coverage

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of events and news that I really
like. Um, I don't know if

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it's still on. There used to
be a show called Reliable Sources that Howard

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Kurtz used to host. I don't
know if that still exists, but again

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it analyzes, you know, the
media. So I really enjoy having those

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conversations with Eric, and we haven't
done that in a while, but we

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both enjoyed so much we decided to
make it a regular thing. However,

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he will not be joining us until
four to thirty. And it's not his

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fault. It's not his fault.
Someone someone took him from me for the

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first thirty minutes of the hour from
four to four thirty. Oh. Yes,

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I've been scorned, my friends,
I've been spurned, I've been other

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things that start with us. I
suppose. Yes, it's a very it's

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a hard day in that regard,
very very hurtful. But well, we'll

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get into that later. But also
before I give the numbers, of course,

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the studio line and so forth,
I want to play for you.

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I have some audio for you from
you know, Jenny. She went down

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to Washington, D C. To
testify at a Medicare for All Hearing and

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sorry, Oh, I know what
that is. It's coming from those construction

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vehicles. I could. I could
smell something. There's road construction going on

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out here on Elm Street. And
I'm like, what is that? What

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am I smelling? That's what it
is? Um it's it's actually making it

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into the building. Um So.
Jenny went down to Washington, D C.

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To testify at the Medicare for All
Hearing and uh and not only um

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so, she she gave up and
gave her presence. She got up and

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gave her a presentation and uh.
And then she also asked she was she

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was asked her. She responded to
a panel question. You know, she

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sat on the panel afterward as um
one of the activists. And UM,

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I want to play for you the
audio of that of those two parts now.

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And by the way, if you
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it is up. You know,
we put it up on YouTube and everything.

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But um, it's about ninety minutes
the full uh event. But UM,

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I'm gonna play for you the two
clips of Jenny. The first one

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is her at the podium speaking,
and then the second one is of her

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at the table during the panel discussion
during the Q and A session. UM,

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so here's here's uh Senator Bernie Sanders
of Vermont introducing Jenny, and then

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Jenny going and speaking. Our next
speaker is Jennifer Coffee was from Manchester,

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New Hampshire. She's a member of
Rights and Democracy, the People's Action affiliate

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that covers Vermont and New Hampshire.
Jennifer is a breast cancer survival. Diagnosed

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with complex regional pain syndrome. Jennifer
spent years struggling to make sure her doctor's

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visits and medicine would be covered by
her insural. She is also a former

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Republican state representative who, through personal
experience, now understands the need to move

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toward a Medicare role system. Jennifer
Good Evening. My name is jenn and

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I'm from Manchester, New Hampshire,
and at one time I was a fully

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functioning EMT and I joked that I
lifted people for a living. Then breast

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cancer surgery went wrong. I ended
up bed bound for two years and I

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lost everything. I felt like I
was going to be trapped for ever in

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my bedroom. I developed complex regional
pain syndrome, the most painful disease known

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to medicine, and small fiber neuropathy. Rules imposed by my private health insurance

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company, United Healthcare Medicaid disadvantage consistently
overrides my care team's medical expertise. I've

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yet to figure out how my private
health insurance can actually help me rule oh

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sorry. Because my private health insurer
refuses to cover my care, I was

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forced to make a go fund me
and sell my possessions to afford treatments.

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With the help of People's Actions Care
over Cost campaign, I was recently able

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to get approval from my next infusion. I worry, though. I worry

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though that when no one is looking. United Healthcare will not approve any more

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treatments. Things got bad really fast
last year. My illness was progressive and

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I was forced to ration infusions because
my rent was hiked up four hundred dollars.

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My neurologists started me on LDN low
dose naltrexone, but the pharmaceutical company

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that makes the medication will not make
it in the low dose that I need

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because it's not profitable for them to
do so I've had to use a compounding

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pharmacy to get the medication, and
I've had to use five different pharmacies in

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order to keep costs down. Again, my Medicare disadvantage plan through United Healthcare

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will not cover it. Insurance companies
serve no purpose in medicine. They decrease

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positive outcomes. America has arguably the
best medical care in the world, but

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only if you can buy it.
This is not a Democrat or Republican issue.

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This is a human issue. It's
disgusting to watch United Healthcare brag about

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over eight billion dollars a profit earned
in just three months, and they deem

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me too expensive to keep alive.
I'm excited about this work. Anyone who

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needs care will get it. No
matter who they are, no matter where

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they're from. Right now, there
are millions of people across this country who

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are organizing and we want Medicare for
all now, all right, So there

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you go. So that was Jenny's
presentation at the podium, and then I'll

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also share with you this is during
the panel discussion. My last question before

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we open it up is what do
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and low rood decreased anxiety in this
country if anybody could walk into a doctor

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or nurse's office whenever they felt they
needed to without having to worry about how

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they're going to pay for it.
What would it mean to the health and

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well being of our country? Who
wants to say a word on that?

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One man? Yeah, in my
opinion, that would give me true medical

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freedom where I am making the decisions
with my providers and my family and whatever

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is needed is done, and not
some bureaucrat, insurance person or computer denying

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care. The decisions about care needs
to be between the physician and the patient

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and their family, and that's it. Medicare for All is the only way

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to do it, all right,
There you go. So I wanted to

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share those with you very proud of
her obviously, and I know a lot

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of the audiences as well, and
I'm not sure. I don't think we

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aside from Easyg's entertainment report, I
don't think we have any guests book for

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tomorrow. So who knows. We
might see Jenny in here with me tomorrow

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to talk about this, talk about
her trip to Washington, d C.

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And so forth. Then again,
she may want to take tomorrow off to

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recuperate because you know, this has
been a big deal. It's it's not

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easy for her to travel at times, and um, but there you go.

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I wanted to share that with all
of you. So and if you

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do want to see the whole event, it is up. Of course,

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I put it up on YouTube and
it's uh. If you on Facebook,

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you can go to the Senator Bernie
Sanders Facebook page and you can check out

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the whole thing. But there you
go. So I wanted to mention that,

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and I do look forward to when
she's um, when she's on the

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show with us, and you know, she can tell us all about it

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in detail. And I'll be seeing
her later this evening. Of course,

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she's going to be arriving in town. I think her her son is actually

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picking her up and taking her out
for Mother's Day because they weren't able to

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do something on Sunday. So there
you go. Six zo three two five

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By the way, our friend Eric
Pilcher is not here yet. He will

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be delayed. He will be joining
us at four thirty and then of course

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in the second hour we have a
great band coming in of course, Fly

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Gulch. But yes, Eric Pilcher
will be joining us late. He was

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I don't want to say kidnapped,
which would be impossible anyway, because you

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know he's in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Not that there aren't kidnappings there necessarily,

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but not in this instance. No, no, No, he was.

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There's a certain other individual who does
a television show on Wednesdays who apparently

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just desperately needed to have Eric on
his show today. And I have to

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tell you, I'm I'm a little
bitter about it. I really am.

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You know, of course, I'm
referring to John Hopwood, who just uh,

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you know, this kind of interference
in my program is is not acceptable.

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I feel a bit betrayed. Again, it's not Eric's fault. He

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was, you know, as I
as I mentioned on social media, he

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was seduced, if you will,
by the by the silver tongue of a

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devil. Not the devil, but
a devil, a silver tongue to a

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devil. I think that's where the
phrase comes from. It's the devil but

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with a silver tongue. Anyway,
Yes, in fact, I am so

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upset about this, my friends,
and I'm very I'm very deeply hurt.

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I'm not a big crier, so
we don't have to worry about that,

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but I am very deeply hurt.
And as a matter of fact, you

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know what, I don't think I'm
even going to uh going forward. I

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don't think I'm even going to refer
to John Hopwood by his correct name.

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No, I think I'm gonna call
him something else, you know, don't

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think I'm gonna do. I think
I'm gonna rearrange the letters a little bit.

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I think going forward from this day
on, I will refer to him

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as Han job Would. What do
you think of that? How do you

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like that Han job would? Uh? Stealing my Hey? Listen, by

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the way, Eric Pilcher, I
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be my favorite conservative, as I
often say on the show, what is

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he to you? On job Wood? Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm

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gonna call him that from now on. I'm not afraid to rearrange the letters

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in somebody's name. I am ruthless. If you cross me, I am

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ruthless. Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever met anyone

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named ruth so that might literally be
true anyway. So I guess I guess

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Eric Pilcher will be joining us at
four thirty. That will be nice.

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I would have liked to have had
him for more of the hour, but

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somebody else, somebody else had something
else in mind. And you know that

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somebody else gets very animated when he
doesn't get his way. I mean,

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you know, he just freaks out. So it's really quite astonishing. But

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so we'll see, we'll see how
the rest of this hour goes. I

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know the second hour will be great
because, like I said, we have

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a great band coming in. But
the first hour, I don't know.

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It's a feel a little unsteady at
the moment, but we'll see, we'll

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see. But the studio line again
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six zo three two five six seven. I do want to say hello everybody

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in the Facebook live chat and UM, and then we should probably do a

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quick check in on UH. I
was gonna call it my favorite issue,

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but it's it's been my favorite issue
to to talk about recently, but not

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necessarily my favorite to think about,
because I'm very concerned about the debt limit,

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the looming debt limit. But there
might be some good news on that.

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But we'll see, we'll see what
we get to. Our friend Cristel

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from the great state of Illinois joins
us and says, hello everyone. Tom

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Blanchard is in the chairman says I've
been away but now I'm back. Welcome

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back, Tom. We are very
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a lot, but we got you
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see j Fett, of course,
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us, since says a good afternoon. Abort seven, well, I'm pretty

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sure is from Greensboro, North Carolina, says good afternoon. Hashtag Matt We

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said, how are you doing?
Aboard seven also said we are a pop

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singing group man band from Greensboro,
North Carolina. And we said, our

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friend Isaac Banks missed your afternoon show. Well, that's terrible. Isaac Banks

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missed my show. So that's we're
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a Han jop Wood and now Isaac
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hope, I hope this gets better. This is this is rough. I'll

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tell you what. Oh And aboard
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Pilcher. We say, how are
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aboard seven. I'm afraid that your
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is not on the show currently.
He'll be here at four thirty, but

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right now he's on somebody else's show
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do? Ja fed says, I
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a board seven says, we love
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said hashtag Matt. While it is
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underneath my hats. Crystal in the
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surprise you with a visit after his
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Anything is possible. M I guess
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whoops, let me back up here, very busy room. Tom Blanchard

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says, did you ever see a
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didn't get that until I finished reading
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in Livingstone pool and never went back. Yeah. Well, ultimately the chlorine

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wouldn't it have been a media etiquette
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Jobwood to ask you first if you
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show. Well, that's not a
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that's a question for the offending party. Uh yeah, all right, Uh

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quickly Oh wow, it's already four
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not upset with him. I'm upset
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ever fallen under his spell. But
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Okay, Um, where are we
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is interesting. So this just went
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dot com is reporting Democratic senators urge
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debt limit. It also says in
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about Biden. I'm sorry Biden debt
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the wire, which is not good. Even if we don't go over the

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fiscal cliff, as they say,
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The markets get rattled. But this
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use fourteenth Amendment to raise the debt
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Hill dot Com. A group of
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are circulating a letter urging President Biden
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Amendment to raise the nation's debt limit
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These senators say these spending reforms that
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raising the debt limit are unacceptable and
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the debt limit unilaterally, something that
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certainly be challenged in court. Now. By the way, I mentioned the

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other day I think I think it
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he's been saying that he doesn't see
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for Biden to to take this path, and he cited Lawrence Tribe, who

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so you're worried about a constitutional crisis
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it's never been tried, and the
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murky. It doesn't say it'd be
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explicitly, under no circumstances can or
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says our debts shall not be questioned. You could interpret that different ways.

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I mean, you could take it
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will not be questioned. You know, no one can say we don't owe

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this money, because we do.
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we're gonna pay the bills or not. We definitely owe that money. So

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there will be different interpretations. But
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so we're worried about a constitutional crisis
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who would bring Who would bring the
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from somebody, from somewhere. Somebody
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don't think this is constitutional and we're
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to do that? And standing?
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can get in over my head with
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you have in some way been harmed
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you would think by that standard of
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a lawsuit against somebody on behalf of
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party on their behalf if you yourself
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way of being injured. So but
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then Congress would then go to the
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have I mean, this is our
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and you've got the judicial branch.
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does something that the end of course, this happens if the executive branch does

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something that the legislative branch thinks as
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they then can bring that to the
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it play out, but also absolutely
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see this happen. I don't want
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as as the American economy is,
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at least as the American economy is
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which we may not recover in our
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watch. I suppose. Um,
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except it's real, you know.
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so if Congress were to bring were
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argument would have to be that they
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the executive branch taking an action.
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House specifically, that's who handles the
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the wallet, the safe, whatever
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think of. At the moment because
Eric Pilcher is on the line. Hello

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Eric, Hey, good afternoon,
John. I'm sorry, man, what

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what did you what did you just
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mistake, man, I'm sorry.
Oh oh, I see a mistake.

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Oh that's fine, that's you know, we're all human. Mistakes are fine.

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It's like the Billy Joel song.
You're only human. You're supposed to

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make mistakes. Um. And you
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that hurt that you called me John's
name while calling into my show. No,

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you know, it's fine. You
know what, I'm just gonna I'm

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gonna be like Taylor Swift and just
shake it off. Shake it off,

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shake it off, shake it off. I'm fine, really no, no,

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don't worry about me. I promise
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at all. It doesn't sound like
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no, I've shaken it off.
I've shaken it off. I've shaken it

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off. I've shaken it off.
I'm I'm I'm fine. Okay. Then

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you know, uh uh, people
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and uh, you know that's fine. Just the other day, somebody called

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me Bill, I said, I'm
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it was it was an innocent mistake. It's fine, you know, uh

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whatever, I'm I'm good with it. Really, No, that's fine,

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that's fine. Are you? Uh
I should ask you though? Are you

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calling to talk about baseball? Is
that why you're you're on the phone with

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me right now? No, I've
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right, yes, with um with
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I get it. I mean yes. And he had a guest, Peter

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Stella Joiner. Oh, well,
I don't know who that is, but

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I bet he's very important. And
I can understand why you would want to

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be a part of that discussion.
And it doesn't hurt my feelings at all.

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It's fine. Well, I'm glad
we could have we handled this dam

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a complete Oh listen, I am
not, I promise you. I am

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not about to dissolve into tears live
on the air. I mean I might,

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I might, but I'm I'm trying
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it together because that's a kind of
competitor. I am not that this should

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be a competition. It kind of
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that's okay. That's okay. By
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personally I don't I don't trust anybody
who's shorter than John Oates of Darryl holland

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John Oates. I'm just throwing that
out there. But that's fine. I'm

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glad you. I'm glad you had
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I no longer call that individual by
his actual name. I've decided to move

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some letters around, and going forward, I will refer to him as Han

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job Wood because that's what I because
I am a little upset with him.

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mean I'm gonna move on. So
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I don't I don't have an ending
for this bit. So Yes, welcome

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Eric Pilcher from h Yeah, Cedar
Rapids, Iowa. Yes, thank you,

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Matt. Yes, it seems as
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issues have died down. I think
the storm that was tucked her, not

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tucked her, Stephen Crowder going alpha
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that it can't get much worse than
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video of Stephen Crowder. Apparently it
was recorded with a ring camera on the

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property and it showed up in the
divorce proceedings, as one might expect such

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a recording would of Stephen Crowder.
Being to be fair, there is absolutely

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no physical abuse in the video,
none whatsoever. We should be clear about

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that. But uh, but there's
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Yeah, I was gonna say it's
sometimes is worse the scars that cannot be

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seen. Yes, is that a
song lyric? It sounds like it would

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be. I mean, I don't
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might be. I'm not that poetic. M Yes, yeah, the U

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there's that video. Yeah, the
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a bit. Um there is um
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right now seems to be the biggest
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but there seems to be a lot
of disagreement, and and the the

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degree of disagreement. It's not necessarily
a partisan uh over that uh that CNN

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town hall with the former president uh
Don John Trump and um, there's a

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lot of controversy about whether whether CNN
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and uh, whether or not it
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it was a waste of time,
and uh, whether or not it was

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a low point in cable news,
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so it's almost difficult to chart in
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I saw flips of it. Yeah, and and here here's my take on

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it. The minute I heard Donald
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the reason being is what tree was
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Here's a guy in in former President
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I seemed your integrity like made call
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with probably one of the inn I'm ambivalent

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to Anderson Cooper. I don't dislike
him. I'm not saying yeah, I

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just I'm not. I have no
feeling either or I think that's a great

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job reading reading the news. But
what what did they expect to happen here?

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it's a difficult thing because I see

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both sides of the argument. In
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of all, and I saw both
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because what happened is exactly what I
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I think probably most people were not
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one hand, so you can say, well, you know how this is

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gonna go, and you know,
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stump speech with Caitlin Collins interrupting at
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you know she's She's taken a little
bit of criticism, but not too much

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because I think people think that,
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could under very difficult circumstances. And
I would tend to agree. I don't

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know what anyone could have done differently. Um but uh. But on the

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other hand, even knowing that it
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um what I mean, you can't
ignore him. He's the front runner for

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the Republican nomination, or as I
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nominee. And I agree with that
you can't ignore him. I guess if

408
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:07,279
I were CNN, I probably would
have probably to get someone else to moderate

409
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:15,720
in to hostess, maybe Wolf Blitzer, m someone that could have kept it

410
00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:22,160
more focused. May I forget his
name, the guy who left Fox News

411
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:28,279
for CNN streaming service. Oh,
Chris Wallace. Yes, there we go,

412
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:34,119
thank you, maybe Chris Wallace.
But then again, we then go

413
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:40,119
back to President Trump and this idea
that if certain people are going to interview

414
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:47,839
him, he won't do the interview. He wants people he can bully,

415
00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:55,559
He wants people he can push around. He wants those people because then he

416
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:04,680
exudes power, and then his constituents, his base, is like, yeah,

417
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,840
we own the lid. Yeah,
and that is uh, that is

418
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:14,079
what a lot of them are claiming
on social media. Um, Crystal,

419
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:20,079
no, you didn't own the lid. You owned nothing. You watched it.

420
00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:25,320
Yeah, you gave CNN ratings,
you gave them money. Yes,

421
00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:30,480
we got played. Well that's um, that's what Crystal points out in the

422
00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:34,679
chat room. Crystal our friend from
Illinois. She says CNN had bad ratings,

423
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:39,519
probably kissing Trump's but to get in
his good graces. Well also too,

424
00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:43,119
a big rating. I mean they
pulled a big rating for the town

425
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:52,559
hall. Oh absolutely, it was
musty TV. Yeah this how could it

426
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:58,039
not be? How Like there were
people that I know that do not watch

427
00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:04,559
cable news that we're making plans to
sit and watch this. Yeah, was

428
00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:13,880
get your popcorn ready television. Yeah, and it's like the reason why I

429
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:20,760
was really just kind of like,
uh why I knew how it was gonna

430
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:29,239
go. Yeah. It wasn't like
people are like you had the some on

431
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,679
the on the right that we're saying, well, hopefully they treat Donald Trump

432
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:39,039
fairly okay, and then you had
some on the left like, oh,

433
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:45,000
I don't even know why they're having
him on that channel, right, disgusting,

434
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:53,239
And it's like I would have preferred
I'll go ahead, Eric, I

435
00:35:53,360 --> 00:36:00,920
was just gonna say, have a
centralized approach to this, take politics out

436
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:06,679
of it. Do you want people
to if your CNN? Do you want

437
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,960
people to watch your network? Yes, what's one way to do it?

438
00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:17,000
Give them something they never thought they
would see. Yeah, and that was

439
00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:21,599
it. Yeah. Well, I
mean cable news is a business, and

440
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,440
you know they I guess business was
good that night. I would have preferred

441
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,920
no live audience, uh more of
a one on one format because, um,

442
00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:35,400
and part of this is a bias
that I have been from New Hampshire.

443
00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:39,159
Um And I saw our our Republican
governor Governor Sunu addressed this in a

444
00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:44,800
couple of interviews. How embarrassing it
was when h you know, Trump is

445
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:51,760
making fun of and joking and kidding
around about about Egen Carrol and that audience

446
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:57,559
is just laughing and they're just they're
just lapping it up. Um and uh

447
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:00,960
that's um, you know, whether
you believe of him, whether you believe

448
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,280
her, whatever it is you think. I mean, for them to be

449
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:09,440
laughing at that, it didn't reflect
well on New Hampshire. H I mean,

450
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,440
I hate to say it, but
uh, that was that that was

451
00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:17,440
very cringe and and our Governor Chris
and Nunu, he said in an interview,

452
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,760
um on uh it was on MSNBC. He said that, you know,

453
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,920
when the camera panned across the room, he recognized, you know,

454
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,000
he knows a lot of the people
there and knows that their their ride or

455
00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:35,480
die MAGA and you know they're gonna
they're gonna be uh down for whatever.

456
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:40,679
But um, but that was that
was very very unfortunate. That was an

457
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:47,559
unfortunate moment. Yes, And one
thing I was going to say is Donald

458
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:55,199
Trump is very uncouth in a lot
of ways. One of the ways that

459
00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:04,719
I think has gotten him into trouble
in his foray into politics has been he

460
00:38:05,159 --> 00:38:12,079
overly plays to a crowd. Ye
Like, if we look at some of

461
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:17,920
the most insidniary things that Donald Trump
has said, when have they been said?

462
00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:28,119
Right at campaign rallies in rooms full
of people r Why because he hears

463
00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:35,559
them cheer and it's like euphoric for
him. Oh yeah, and what minimal

464
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:42,880
filter he has? What minimal filter
is there is out the window? So

465
00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:50,119
then we can ridicule a journalist with
the disabilities because people are cheering, right

466
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:57,039
right? Yeah, true, exactly, we And it's okay because now I

467
00:38:57,199 --> 00:39:00,679
have those However, many are in
that room. They're eating out of my

468
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:07,800
hand. And when I'm rightfully chastered
for saying this, I can turn around

469
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,400
and say, see, look at
what the right what is? Look at

470
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:16,679
what the leftist media is doing to
me? Right right? That's that's yeah,

471
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:21,920
that's the card he plays. And
I had to say it. But

472
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,880
I think all of this will help
him, help actually helps him when it

473
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,119
helps him win the nomination. Oh
man, but it's not going on Donald

474
00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:37,400
Trump's mailing list and the emails I
got after after the CNN interview, he

475
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:45,480
one we did if he didn't generate
millions in campaign donations. After that,

476
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:52,039
someone needs to be fired. Well, that's the thing, he if I

477
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:59,960
because if I was a delusional Trump
supporter, I probably would have donated money.

478
00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:05,199
Yeah, it's um, I think
it's all going to help him.

479
00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:07,320
It does, It does help him
raise money. Um. You know when

480
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:12,800
when when the FBI showed up at
Marlago, the reason we first found out

481
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,119
about that, uh was well when
they showed up to do the search.

482
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:19,079
So the reason we first found out
about it was because of Trump. They

483
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:22,360
tried to keep it low key to
the extent that that's even possible. But

484
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,360
Trump, he you know, he
goes on social media and starts talking about

485
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,559
it, and then the next thing, of course, the uh those fundraising

486
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:36,440
emails go out. Yep. And
what's so funny about all of it is

487
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:45,039
Trump will often ridicule, not directly
because if he does it directly, then

488
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:50,320
some of his constituents can put one
and one together and hopefully it adds up

489
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:58,119
to two. But what he does, and he's very Macavalian at this,

490
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:05,719
is he comes at people that have
played the victim card, or he perceives

491
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,840
them to have played the victim card. But he is such a master at

492
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:19,679
playing it to himself. Oh yeah, he is quite duplicitous at this,

493
00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:28,639
and it's like, how can you
not steam this, this hypocrisy right in

494
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:34,280
front of you. Oh by the
way, our friend aboard seven in the

495
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,119
chat room says, Trump by Trump, and we don't care of this man.

496
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:45,960
It's what he does and no one
has caught onto it. Yeah.

497
00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:51,480
Um, well, it's just shocking
a lot a lot of people. A

498
00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:53,440
lot of people catch on or are
they or you know, are they eventually

499
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,800
figure it out? I mean,
you're a Trump supporter at one time and

500
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:00,239
then you got off the Trump train. But here, here's the thing is

501
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:08,480
I was a Trump supporter, but
I always admitted his fault. I always

502
00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:15,079
said, here's the deal, here's
why I like it. Yeah, here's

503
00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:22,159
what I don't like. And you
know, anytime he has done something I

504
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:30,000
disagreed with, I've been vocal about
it. Yeah, because you can't.

505
00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:37,280
You cannot just claim blind allegiance to
a politician. Yeah, but he is

506
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:45,599
a politician. Anyone who says otherwise
is delusional. Oh he's a businessman.

507
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:51,599
Really. Business is a form of
politics, oh absolutely, in politics is

508
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:57,039
a form of business. Yeah,
absolutely, absolutely, you are catering to

509
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:02,880
a base if you think that the
two are not interchangeable. That I have

510
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:07,559
a litany of things that I can
disclose to you about this world that are

511
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:16,559
going to make you very, very
sad and deprived. Yeah. Um so,

512
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,719
uh what? Um so? What
do you? What do you think

513
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,880
going I mean, what should be
the Do you have an idea of what

514
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,199
you think should be the rules going
forward? As far as the media covering

515
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,159
Trump, because he's got a weird
relationship at this point, even with Fox,

516
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,000
they seem pretty tepid on him.
And I think that I think many

517
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:43,599
organizations and I'm sorry meant to cut
you off, packed themselves into a corner

518
00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:50,719
with him. Yeah, they have. They have made hit. So he

519
00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:57,800
has control. He writes the rundown, He decides the who, what,

520
00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:06,480
len, why, and how?
Right? He Oh, absolutely, it's

521
00:44:06,639 --> 00:44:13,559
on them. It isn't on Donald
Trump. Uh, Crystal, and the

522
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:15,760
chat room says, Trump's faults make
the San Andreas fault look like a tiny

523
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:21,559
crack. Um. I wouldn't go
that far. I mean, yeah,

524
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:23,960
I had a I don't know if
you heard the show Erica yesterday. I

525
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:30,519
had a candidate and here a Republican
no candidate Steve Laughey, who is challenging.

526
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:32,800
I mean he has no chance obviously, So if you're going, who's

527
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:36,800
Steve Laughy, Yeah, I mean
he's got he's got no chance. But

528
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,440
it was interesting to talk to him
and and uh he was um, he

529
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:44,280
did express he did express it on
the show, and then we also had

530
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:50,280
a short conversation afterward to uh.
He mentioned about the town hall, specifically

531
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,880
the same thing I did about the
whole Egene Carol bit, which was so

532
00:44:54,000 --> 00:45:00,800
distasteful and uh so uncomfortable hearing people
laughing about that and applauding Trump and just

533
00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:10,840
just really gross. Yeah, and
that's the thing is his And I feel

534
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,760
bad saying it because technically I am
a member of his bass. Yeah,

535
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:28,559
but his his bass really does a
great job of showing everything that is evil

536
00:45:28,639 --> 00:45:37,320
and wrong in this world. And
you I tried to come to terms with

537
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,719
it, and I just can't because
these are people that are like me.

538
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:51,000
They are church going Christians, and
Christians should not act like this. Yeah,

539
00:45:51,559 --> 00:45:59,400
like you, you cannot mock a
person with disabilities. You cannot advocate

540
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:07,079
for the things he's advocated for,
that is grabbing a woman in a certain

541
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:15,000
area, yeah, and yet they're
like, oh, gettle Trump. I

542
00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:22,519
know, and I sit here and
I'm like, wait a minute, do

543
00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:29,840
you mean do you understand what you're
doing? This is another reason why people

544
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:36,280
have so many issues with Christianity,
is we sit here and we promote the

545
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:43,960
Bible and then we turn around and
promote this. Yeah, and it's likely

546
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:51,480
No, that is wrong. Yeah, I've I've made that observation. Yeah,

547
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,320
go ahead. I had someone tell
me, well, Eric, you

548
00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:00,480
were involved with athletics in high school. You're familiar with locker room talk.

549
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:09,119
Yes, I was eighteen. I
wasn't a fifty plus year sixty plus year

550
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:16,119
old man running for president talking with
the talk show host and expecting it to

551
00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:23,840
be off the record to be fair
to Trump, which I have no great

552
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,360
desire to do because I agree with
what you're saying, but to be fair

553
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,039
to him. He was not running
for president at the time of that audio,

554
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:36,400
regardless, But but regardless, you
know, you know, especially being

555
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,880
in that situation too, even if
he's just kidding around, Uh, he

556
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:44,519
should know there's a live mic on
him. And the explanation he gave at

557
00:47:44,519 --> 00:47:45,920
the time, and we got to
go in a moment, Eric, But

558
00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:51,119
the explanation that he gave at the
time was during that first debate, after

559
00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:53,039
that came out, while it was
locker room talk. I apologize it was

560
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:58,239
locker room talk, okay, But
then we hear the details of they came

561
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,760
out in court about Egan Carroll,
and it's like, oh, suddenly that

562
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:09,360
story takes on a new significance.
Or not that story, but uh that,

563
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,639
well, what he said to Billy
Bush on that Access Hollywood tape,

564
00:48:14,639 --> 00:48:16,719
that takes on a new significance.
It's like, oh, that's really chilling.

565
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:22,920
Um, So have you watched his
deposition regarding that. I haven't watched

566
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,840
the whole thing. I've seen some
of it, and it's pretty it's pretty

567
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,760
bad. I did talk about it
on the show one day. You know,

568
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,800
it's particularly gross when he talks about
well, he says, you know,

569
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,239
I couldn't have done this, She's
not my type. And it's like

570
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,079
that that right there shows h that
he doesn't understand. You know, rape

571
00:48:40,159 --> 00:48:44,760
is not about not about being attracted
to somebody. It's not about them being

572
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:50,760
your type. It's about power and
dominance and violently assaulting somebody. Um,

573
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,159
that's what it's about. So he
apparently either doesn't get that or he's willfully

574
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:59,360
obtuse in that regard, and then
he you know, he doesn't want to

575
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:01,800
well that's what I mean, willfully
obtuse. And then he says and then

576
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,320
he says to her while she's taking
the deposition, and by the way,

577
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,400
I you know, I wouldn't find
you're not my type either, And it's

578
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,440
like, oh my god, is
he actually telling saying to her on this

579
00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:14,599
deposition you know I wouldn't rape you
either, Like, I mean, it's

580
00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:17,320
so it's so gross. Uh,
it's it's really I don't Yeah, I

581
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,400
don't know how anyone can be okay
with any of that. It's it's so

582
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:30,039
gross. It's that's the thing.
Is I felt disgusting being lumped in with

583
00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:34,480
it. Yeah. Someone was like, oh, Eric, you've done locker

584
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:42,079
room talk. Yeah, but there's
a difference between locker room talk in a

585
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:50,400
near admission of sexual assault. Yeah. Yes, Like I guarantee you if

586
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:54,679
anybody that was a part that of
any team I was a part of in

587
00:49:54,760 --> 00:50:01,119
high school, that's something that they
did that would have been like, I

588
00:50:01,199 --> 00:50:06,840
mean, there were some creepy guys, so sure a majority of us would

589
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:15,079
have been like broh, yeah,
we're stepping away from you right about now,

590
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:21,119
because yeah, we're not going to
be a part of this exactly.

591
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:27,039
It's because it's wrong. You can't
just go up to someone and do that.

592
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,079
Well, yeah, of course,
of course, Eric, now go

593
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:38,280
ahead. Its just it's disturbing that
we dismissed that that was dismissed as just

594
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:44,039
being him saying it was locker room
talk, and people saying, oh,

595
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:46,840
then it's okay. Well we now
know too that he wasn't that he wasn't

596
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,840
serious when he called it locker room
talk, that he really did mean it,

597
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:55,079
because he says in that deposition,
Uh he says, uh yeah,

598
00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:58,519
that's how it that's how it is
when you're a star. That's how it's

599
00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:02,480
been for a million years, fortunately
or unfortunately. So uh he he just

600
00:51:02,599 --> 00:51:06,639
leans right into it. It's like, oh my god, what a what

601
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,960
a disgusting person. Uh but Eric, we we gotta go. Um,

602
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,599
we are almost at the top of
the hour. Oh don't don't, don't

603
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:16,440
apologize. I think we I think
we aired everything out early and that wasn't

604
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:22,199
your fault anyway, what happened earlier. I blame Han Jobwood. I don't

605
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,599
think anyone's to blame. Oh,
I blame him. I blame him.

606
00:51:25,679 --> 00:51:30,559
Do not trust him. I think
we need to kind of just step back

607
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:35,559
a little bit Facebook, Matt.
I consider both of you dear friends.

608
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,840
I think Han Jobwood and I are
fighting. I think we're in a feud.

609
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:45,679
We're having a feud. I don't
think the feud is beneficial for either

610
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,599
of you. We're gonna have a
steel cage match and I will be victorious

611
00:51:50,039 --> 00:51:53,119
and it'll be great. And I
mean, as long as I'm not hanging

612
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,920
from the rafters in a ladder match, I'm fine, right, it could

613
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:06,519
be for a custody of you.
I share to Hike. Non wrestling fans

614
00:52:06,519 --> 00:52:07,360
are like, what what are they? What are they talking about? All

615
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,239
right? Eric, Before before you
go though, just quickly, what do

616
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:15,320
you have for us for Friday?
For the film review? For the film

617
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:20,320
review this week? Um, we
are looking at the nineteen seventy eight film

618
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:24,440
Superman. The movie. Yes,
yes, I remember watching that with my

619
00:52:24,519 --> 00:52:32,119
dad. It is I haven't seen
it in many years, at least a

620
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:37,920
decade, and watching it again really
yeah, there's a lot of things that

621
00:52:38,119 --> 00:52:45,159
I was like that i'd forgotten and
I'm like that that's great. Yeah,

622
00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:49,079
yeah, oh very cool. Well, we look forward to your review on

623
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:52,519
Friday, and we do appreciate you
joining us here today. Always wonderful to

624
00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:57,039
speak with you, my friend,
absolutely, and thank you for having me

625
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,360
Matt. You're very good, very
good. All right, Eric, we'll

626
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:05,559
talk to you soon. Thanks,
no problem, pro bye bye. All

627
00:53:05,639 --> 00:53:07,920
right. That was our friend Eric
Pilcher. It is the top of the

628
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,719
hour. I'm going to uh,
we're gonna take a break and show some

629
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:14,639
love to our amazing sponsors. But
first I'm gonna play a couple of songs

630
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,719
from or at least one and maybe
we'll save the other one for later.

631
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:20,159
It depends on how long it takes
them to set up. I'm gonna go

632
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:23,280
bring them in the band Horsefly Gulches
here. But this is a this is

633
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:29,920
a great track. This is called
Snake Dance. Check this out. WMHP

634
00:53:30,039 --> 00:53:35,280
the Normals, Welcome back everybody.
This is Matt Connerton Unleashed and we are

635
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,920
live from the studios of wm n
H ninety five point three FM and Glorious

636
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:44,119
Downtown Manchester, New Hampshire, also
on Comcast ninety seven if you're in Manchester,

637
00:53:44,199 --> 00:53:45,960
and hello to all of our online
listeners across the nation and around the

638
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,960
globe. You can go to my
website Matt Connerton dot com for all of

639
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,159
your live streaming options, social media
links, contact info, show archives,

640
00:53:53,280 --> 00:54:00,880
etcetera, etcetera. Today is Wednesday, May seven teen, two thousand twenty

641
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,239
three, and we have some very
special guests in studio with us. We've

642
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,480
got the band horse Fly Gulch here
and uh, let me bring those mics

643
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:14,199
up there, and uh, this
is uh um Adam, let's start with

644
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:15,920
you, and let's let's have you
all before you play, We'll have you

645
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,480
tell us who you are and uh
what you do in the band. You

646
00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:22,639
get to go first because I'm only
knew the longest. All right. Hey,

647
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:28,199
my name is Adam Cody, and
I've played drums all right pretty much?

648
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,719
Yeah, all right, and you
sir, Hello, I am Paul

649
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:39,000
Davidson and I play bass and uh
also do some backing, singing and some

650
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:44,480
percussion as well. Yes, yes, you got a for for those not

651
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:46,800
watching online, you've you've got a
what do you what do you call that?

652
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:51,639
A horse? Uh? A horse
stambourine? I don't know what you

653
00:54:51,760 --> 00:55:00,800
know? Yeah, kind of a
kind of a god other vibe did you

654
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,519
did you wake up one day with
that and then you were like, oh,

655
00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:07,679
put a tambourine on it. I
woke up, he was looking at

656
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:13,039
me and all right, very good, and you, sir, you know

657
00:55:13,079 --> 00:55:15,280
that thing has horror movie written all
over it. By the way, I

658
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,400
think he found it at some yard
sales somewhere and it's gonna be gonna be

659
00:55:17,639 --> 00:55:22,800
hunting the studio for the rest of
Yes. Yes, my name is Steven

660
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,639
had a Chuck. I go by
Steven Scott sometimes depending on the day.

661
00:55:25,199 --> 00:55:30,039
Um, I play guitar and I
sing in horse Flag oats very good.

662
00:55:30,519 --> 00:55:32,639
Well, Um, so what we're
gonna do is these guys are gonna play

663
00:55:32,679 --> 00:55:36,159
a live for us, which I'm
really looking forward to, and then we'll

664
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,599
we'll take a quick break and then
we'll come back and we're gonna talk and

665
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:43,079
catch up on everything these guys are
doing. But what do you guys?

666
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,039
Um? And we'll have to kind
of sound check on the fly, but

667
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:51,599
I'm pretty I'm pretty good at that. It ends up sounding surprisingly good in

668
00:55:51,639 --> 00:55:54,000
this room. Actually, Um,
what are you guys gonna play for us?

669
00:55:55,159 --> 00:55:58,880
This is a song called Burn the
Breeze. Burn the Breeze, all

670
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:05,320
right, whenever you're ready. All
right, I don't love to come down.

671
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:16,679
Puts me back and to start.
They must be another way to man

672
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:45,920
the spruce gain heart you with the
childhood love of mine, my greedies,

673
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:57,880
mistake, and day I walks away. I heard your voice call my name,

674
00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:10,599
A heal voice called my name.
Spurn the breeze together. It's not

675
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:45,840
waste standtime. Spurn the breeze together. Get away this time the river floes

676
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:57,880
teeth all the way into the sea. I swept from the desert to the

677
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:07,519
trees. You ain't never can't read
to me. It's but the breeze together.

678
00:58:09,239 --> 00:58:22,519
It's not waste standard time, but
the breeze together. Get wait these

679
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:37,320
times it's been the breeze together.
It's not waste standard time, but the

680
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:54,400
breeze together. Get wait these times, Get wait these times God wait thees.

681
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,400
Yeah. Oh, fantastic, well
done, gentleman, well done,

682
00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:05,559
Thank you. I love it.
I love it. If you're just joining

683
00:59:05,679 --> 00:59:07,599
us, horse fly gulches here with
us in studio, what we'll do is

684
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,079
we'll take a break. We'll let
you guys put your stuff down and get

685
00:59:10,159 --> 00:59:14,400
comfortable, and uh, I'll um
while we do that. I'm gonna play.

686
00:59:14,599 --> 00:59:16,679
I'm play an old Mindset X song. What do you think? Yeah?

687
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:21,119
What's uh? What should I play
from Oceans? I got Oceans pulled

688
00:59:21,199 --> 00:59:25,320
up here. I think we're always
a fan of Island. Uhland, Okay,

689
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:31,559
no swears in it obviously. Yeah, this is there's a good twelve

690
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:34,840
minute song on there. If you
really want to go crazy, No,

691
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,039
that's all right, We'll go with
I so Island, Yeah, alright,

692
00:59:38,119 --> 00:59:42,000
Island, It is all right.
And uh and then we'll we'll come back

693
00:59:42,039 --> 00:59:45,199
and we'll talk with these guys.
Check this out. This is Island Mindset

694
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,280
X, and we'll explain everyone why
I figured out play a Mindset X song.

695
00:59:50,679 --> 00:59:53,960
Oh that's cool. That is Island
from the band Mindset X. And

696
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:58,280
you guys know what happened to those
guys? Or do you ever see him?

697
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,880
That be has taking a nap right
now? It's hibernating but not dead.

698
01:00:02,639 --> 01:00:07,119
I think last time I saw him
they were in the rubore. There

699
01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:10,639
you go, getting a tan if
you're if you're just joining us here on

700
01:00:10,679 --> 01:00:15,519
Matt Connerton Unleashed. We are joined
in studio by the guys from horse Fly

701
01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:17,880
Gulch, but we're all three of
you also in Mindset X. That's the

702
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:22,280
same okay, Um, yeah,
that band was around for a long time.

703
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:27,039
Now is does the new project replace
that? Or well Mindset X continue

704
01:00:27,039 --> 01:00:30,239
in the future as well. And
in addition to that, I mean again,

705
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:35,480
you know after twenty years, it's
in hibernation the Mindset X. Yeah.

706
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,079
Um, but we're focusing just on
the new project right now. But

707
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:42,119
yeah, the old one's not dead. It's just just sleeping. Yeah.

708
01:00:42,159 --> 01:00:46,320
There actually is an album written too, right ABU in the can Oh.

709
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:51,199
Wow, it's kind of a weird
story actually when I now that you kind

710
01:00:51,199 --> 01:00:53,559
of reflect on it. Like,
so, before the whole COVID thing hit,

711
01:00:53,719 --> 01:00:58,119
right, we were gearing up to
write a new album as Mindset X,

712
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,000
and then COVID hit, right,
so we couldn't get together for a

713
01:01:01,039 --> 01:01:05,280
little while. And then by the
time we started going back, like a

714
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,400
couple of years later, getting back
together and rehearsing those songs, we were

715
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:12,679
like, man, these songs they
sound they feel really old now because they

716
01:01:12,719 --> 01:01:15,079
were like three years old at that
point, right, And we were like,

717
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:16,159
all right, well, we can't
just not record them, like we

718
01:01:16,199 --> 01:01:20,239
spent all this time writing them.
Yeah. Um, so we did record

719
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,000
them, right, um, and
we released a couple of them and then

720
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:27,800
and then we just we just said
it just just time pass something a little

721
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,719
bit different, Right, you do
medal for twenty years straight. I think

722
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:35,159
you are My sex was never so
much this, but locked inside a box

723
01:01:35,239 --> 01:01:37,960
of what you could particularly do as
a band when you're expected to kind of

724
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,639
put out a certain style of music, right, Yeah, And I think

725
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,400
we just came to a point we
were like, you know what, let's

726
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,559
try something new. Does um,
do any of those songs make it into

727
01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:51,360
this project or do you do you
keep them? You keep them completely separate?

728
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:53,880
Yeah? Is that the plan going
forward? Or is there a chance

729
01:01:53,960 --> 01:02:00,599
of anything? Kind of? Yeah? I do. I mean, I

730
01:02:00,679 --> 01:02:04,199
mean, I can tell you from
a personal perspective. We've discussed this.

731
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,840
I think as a band is not
only is it something new from a musical

732
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:13,440
perspective, but I think it's something
new just challenging us, not for me

733
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,719
anyway, not to cover things up
with the storage or you know, to

734
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:21,880
see if I can actually play something, you know, cleaner, because there's

735
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,360
a lot more room for mistakes when
people can hear oh yeah you as a

736
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:29,719
three piece and there's nothing behind it
that's dirty. Or grunty or into that,

737
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:34,559
and I don't think that those songs
would fit particularly what we're doing right

738
01:02:34,599 --> 01:02:37,000
now. Yeah, makes sense because
to be honest, I think the last

739
01:02:37,159 --> 01:02:42,960
Mindseex stuff was probably the most pruggy
stuff we've done. So the other thing

740
01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:47,239
is the new stuff is flowing,
you know, unlike anything we've done in

741
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:52,719
years. Like, we're basically writing
a new song almost every time we get

742
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:57,480
together. We've been doing this pretty
much just since the turn of the year,

743
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,360
you know, on a new year, new project. Yeah, and

744
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,440
we're already on like ten songs.
I mean, it takes a little while

745
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,960
to record them, but yeah,
you know they're in the set. You

746
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,360
know, we can come out and
play him live. Yeah. Yeah,

747
01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:12,039
another full album written right, pretty
much right, so we shouldn't have to,

748
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,039
you know, write another ten We
shouldn't have to pull anything. You

749
01:03:15,159 --> 01:03:20,519
know. By the way, our
friend Texas Mike, although you might know

750
01:03:20,639 --> 01:03:22,199
him as Michael Martineau, but around
here we call him Texas Mike. He's

751
01:03:22,199 --> 01:03:27,639
in the chat room and he says, uh, I know Stephen uh aka

752
01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:34,599
the Deviant Music through Ed Murphy and
uh and Ellie Murphy. We saw him

753
01:03:34,639 --> 01:03:38,639
at Clemento's pizza in Manchester. No, you spotted and you heard that fantastic

754
01:03:38,719 --> 01:03:43,440
commercial just about fifteen minutes ago.
I think, didn't we not? Even

755
01:03:43,719 --> 01:03:45,000
Michael? How are you? Buddy? It plays in my mind all the

756
01:03:45,079 --> 01:03:52,760
time. It is catchy, it
is yeah Clement people people get mad at

757
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:53,880
me for singing it, but it
really, it really does. Can we

758
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:58,400
still bad for a riff? I
can't. I didn't write it, so

759
01:03:58,519 --> 01:04:01,519
I can't, But yeah, I
have that. I cannot imagine under any

760
01:04:01,559 --> 01:04:10,039
circumstances where anyone would also doing There
you go, there you go? Um,

761
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,760
now are you guys playing playing out
a lot with this project? Or

762
01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:17,280
well we just did our first show
what a month ago? Yeah, and

763
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:21,079
then we've got right down the street
one coming up in Dover down at the

764
01:04:21,159 --> 01:04:25,440
Strand. It's a new it's a
new venue for us. Oh yeah,

765
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:29,400
Edgewise is in the chat room and
they just posted a picture of them at

766
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:31,760
the Strand. Yeah, it's like
a cool, cool room. It's yeah,

767
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,760
it's it's nice because one it's all
ages, and two it's just to

768
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:39,239
be a beautiful venue. Yeah.
I didn't realize it was all ages.

769
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:43,840
That's that's hard to find, and
I mean that's important. I think this,

770
01:04:44,039 --> 01:04:46,400
yeah, something we've been missing out
on a lot. Oh yeah,

771
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:51,719
definitely yeah. Um and is that
the show is Dust Profit on that show?

772
01:04:53,079 --> 01:04:56,599
Yes? Yes, m Dust Profit
of course. Uh. I used

773
01:04:56,599 --> 01:05:00,599
to be in a band with Auto
Kinsel Nice Chemical distance. So yeah,

774
01:05:00,639 --> 01:05:02,800
they're and they're in CRAD. Have
you guys seen Doss Profit live? Now?

775
01:05:03,559 --> 01:05:08,199
Very very intense, it'll be it'll
be a fun night because they actually

776
01:05:08,199 --> 01:05:11,880
asked us. We talked about this
a while back as Mindset X, and

777
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,719
we joined the bill as Mindset X. Oh back, you know, six

778
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:16,360
like four or five months ago whenever
we discussed it. Yeah. And so

779
01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:19,960
then a couple months ago I texted
the little chat group and I was like,

780
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,960
Hey, I just want to let
you guys know we have like a

781
01:05:24,119 --> 01:05:28,280
Western rocketbilly thing. Mindset X is
kind of sleeping even though it doesn't really

782
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,079
fit with any of the style stuff
going on, Can we just change the

783
01:05:31,199 --> 01:05:32,559
name? And they were like,
yeah, cool, let's do it.

784
01:05:32,639 --> 01:05:35,679
So it should be a really cool
night in music. And I think we've

785
01:05:35,679 --> 01:05:40,960
always been about screw the genre,
it doesn't matter, or just get a

786
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:44,760
bunch of bands together that love what
they're doing and open people's minds to listen

787
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:46,119
to different styles of music, right, and oh yeah, I always been

788
01:05:46,119 --> 01:05:48,800
about that. Yeah, got a
couple other lined up. Two, We

789
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:53,000
got one right down the road at
the Shasky and which that's where our first

790
01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:56,880
show was. Oh well, we'll
be back there on the sixteenth of June,

791
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,320
I believe ye. And then the
twenty third up at Area twenty three.

792
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:04,400
Oh okay, my favorite new will
hang out there. Yeah, close

793
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:08,480
to me. Oh there you go, there you go, Yeah, Edgewise

794
01:06:08,719 --> 01:06:11,159
says the straight. I assume it's
Chris in there, he says, all

795
01:06:11,239 --> 01:06:15,559
ages for those un h kids at
the strang. That makes sense. But

796
01:06:15,159 --> 01:06:17,400
why why do I hear a lot
of good things about Area twenty three.

797
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,239
I've been there, but not for
a long time. What is it?

798
01:06:20,519 --> 01:06:24,480
Uh? But everybody's talking about not
just because it happened if they happened to

799
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:28,159
be close, but everyone's giving it
rave reviews. Yeah, Kirk up there

800
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,960
is one of the biggest supporters of
local music north of Manchester. Anyway.

801
01:06:32,159 --> 01:06:35,000
Yes, yep, Um, you
can go in there any given night.

802
01:06:35,239 --> 01:06:40,719
There's live music. He's got open
mics Wednesdays. I just saw an incredible

803
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:45,039
band there. Um. Dan Bedrosian
in the Secret Army. Okay, spot

804
01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:47,880
of p funk. Oh he's playing. I've interviewed him, yeah in this

805
01:06:48,119 --> 01:06:51,039
in that little room. Yeah,
it's mind boggling, you know, yeah,

806
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,920
yeah, yeah, yeah he was. He was on the show just

807
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:59,400
a few years ago now before it
was before COVID. But um cool.

808
01:06:59,559 --> 01:07:02,239
Now, so when when you guys
play live with this project, how many

809
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,760
songs do you have that you do
live? Right now? We've got ten?

810
01:07:06,119 --> 01:07:11,039
Oh, okay, that's pretty solid. Ye nine yeah, forty five

811
01:07:11,079 --> 01:07:14,519
minutes to an hour. Yeah,
yeah, depending on the jam mood.

812
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,119
Very good, very good. If
you're just joining us here on Matt Connerton

813
01:07:18,199 --> 01:07:21,960
Unleashed. We've got a horse fly
gulch in the studio with us. And

814
01:07:23,239 --> 01:07:25,800
uh, these guys played live earlier, so if you missed it, you

815
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:29,960
definitely want to go back and check
the archive and uh yeah, Paul,

816
01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:32,679
all right, tell us the story. So so again for for those who

817
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:36,119
are of course, uh most most
of the audience, I can't see you

818
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:41,760
except on Facebook or on ninety seven, but you've got I'll let you describe

819
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,760
it. Your your instrument of choice
that you brought today. So yes,

820
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:49,679
um so, being a unique band, we decided to try different instruments and

821
01:07:49,719 --> 01:07:56,480
stuff in facts Steve does a little
mandolin here, Banjoey there, and I

822
01:07:56,559 --> 01:08:00,480
was like, oh, I need
something, right, and so we came

823
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:06,119
up with the song. Actually we
just played burn the Bridge and there's space

824
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:10,199
in the middle in the in the
beginning. Yeah, And I didn't want

825
01:08:10,199 --> 01:08:15,360
to just kind of stand there right
right. So being horse flight gulch,

826
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,119
you know, we were out um, me and my wife and we were

827
01:08:18,199 --> 01:08:23,439
looking for props and stuff like that
that we could use. Yeah, and

828
01:08:25,159 --> 01:08:27,680
this is happens to be one of
them. And what it is, it's

829
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:31,199
it's one of the old riding horses. Yeah, stick that the that the

830
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:35,319
kids used to go around and and
we added a little tambourine to it and

831
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:40,600
now you can witness it live,
yes, you know, yeah, and

832
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:45,840
uh I might see somebody dancing around
with it as well. Does the when

833
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,079
when it squeaks? Has that made
it in any of the songs or do

834
01:08:48,119 --> 01:08:54,079
you just do that? Oh?
It definitely definitely yea Burned the Breeze.

835
01:08:54,119 --> 01:08:57,920
That was the debut of Yeah,
yeah, very good. The only thing

836
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,960
it's missing is a name. Yeah, so we don't have a name.

837
01:09:01,079 --> 01:09:05,359
If anyone on the chat wants to
name the horse peace feel Free. We

838
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:10,479
have a contest. Yes, yes, the winner gets to name the horse.

839
01:09:13,119 --> 01:09:16,199
Oh very nice, very nice.
Where do you guys record? Because

840
01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:18,960
everything, uh and and this has
been the case, you know, not

841
01:09:19,079 --> 01:09:23,000
only with this band, but with
the previous band. Everything sounds really good,

842
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,880
just sounds really good. Where do
you record? I assume it's changed

843
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:31,399
over the years, but I'm happy
to say that this, this every horse

844
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:35,000
Flag Elt song thus far has been
recorded at our own recording studio, so

845
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:40,039
excellent. Over the last five or
six years, I've been kind of revamping

846
01:09:40,119 --> 01:09:44,039
and kind of rebuilding that whole thing. Yeah, saving here and there and

847
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:46,640
buying little pieces of equipment and figuring
out actually how to use it. Yeah,

848
01:09:47,039 --> 01:09:50,199
you know, so I think I
finally got to a point where I

849
01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:56,920
feel relatively comfortable and you know,
releasing stuff to the public, and um,

850
01:09:57,399 --> 01:09:59,920
it's definitely going to help us out
because when Adams ray to Late tre

851
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,359
As, we just throw the mics
up and go and don't have to go

852
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:06,479
anywhere else. It's beautiful not to
say that we might. You know,

853
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:10,720
there's still is always the chance of
saying, let's go somewhere else that sounds

854
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,880
different, or canna produce it behind
it or something happened. Who knows what's

855
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:17,279
going to happen. But I think
from a convenient standpoint and from my own

856
01:10:17,359 --> 01:10:23,079
personal uh holy crap, I can
actually do this standpoint, it's nice to

857
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,680
be able to have that. So
yeah, no doubt, Um has it

858
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,720
always been that way, like like
even with the early mindset X stuff?

859
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,760
Did you guys in the early days, we you know, we started off

860
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:40,399
probably the first two or three recorded
at Steve's and then uh you remember the

861
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,920
one the first place we went into
but Drum one Downs. We did like

862
01:10:44,039 --> 01:10:48,680
three full CDs there, Yeah,
Brian Sachs rest in Peace. Yeah,

863
01:10:50,039 --> 01:10:58,720
And we've also recorded at what's Jay's
metron Okale like as he calls it,

864
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,399
right, okill and ask did at
Metronome yea. So we think, you

865
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:03,760
know, at the end of the
day, I think we want to try

866
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:08,359
something different, right, and I
think, you know, I think every

867
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:12,239
band wants to have a different sound, and if you staying in the same

868
01:11:12,279 --> 01:11:16,119
place all the time, you get
poored. And I think we didn't want

869
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:18,760
to do that. We wanted to
like try to branch out, And yeah,

870
01:11:19,039 --> 01:11:23,039
branching out for us was branching in
really right, and I think it's

871
01:11:23,119 --> 01:11:27,039
it's been great. It's been It's
nice to go in my studio at you

872
01:11:27,119 --> 01:11:30,439
know, eleven PM and work till
one. Yeah. Gee. It's just

873
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:32,119
nice to have that luxury. Oh
yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's

874
01:11:32,199 --> 01:11:33,960
nice to live in an era where, you know, you have so many

875
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:38,199
different options as far as how you
record, you know. And like we

876
01:11:38,279 --> 01:11:41,640
said, we did the original with
the first couple of Mind six albums we

877
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:43,960
did at home too. Well.
Yeah, the first one was fun.

878
01:11:44,039 --> 01:11:45,479
It was like two microphones hanging in
a room, you know. Yeah,

879
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:49,279
and we did this whole concept album
with just these two Chintzi mics hanging.

880
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:56,399
Yeah. Still same mic. Yeah. One of the mics I've just recently

881
01:11:56,439 --> 01:12:00,279
found is a it's a old radio
shack and denser with a little switch on

882
01:12:00,359 --> 01:12:03,399
it you put no Kid Ain't double
a battery in there. Oh wow,

883
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:10,760
we've found that and it's still worse. It ahead and both of those songs

884
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:14,399
No Kid Ain't I'll be damned.
Well, that's amazing it still works.

885
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:16,560
That's a lo fi sound. That's
cool. Yeah. I bought that back

886
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:20,079
when there was a radio shack in
West Franklin. If that if anybody knows

887
01:12:20,119 --> 01:12:24,319
the area that was a long time
ago. Oh yeah, jeez, yeah,

888
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,760
there used to be radio shacks everywhere. I think they're all gone right

889
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:31,680
that completely, so they back online. I saw it, but I gota

890
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:35,399
gotcha. Yeah, Adam. When
I first met you, um way back,

891
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:39,960
I was working at Strawberries Loddon Road
and Conquered and I remember you brought

892
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,720
in a CD. You brought in
a CD for me to check out Liquid

893
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,159
Native, yeah my first band.
Yeah, yes, that was uh,

894
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:49,279
now whatever ended up happening with because
I remember actually going to see you guys

895
01:12:49,359 --> 01:12:54,680
live too it Uh, I can't
remember that. No, I might have

896
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,720
seen you there, but I also
saw you in Conquered. Oh she Antillies

897
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,199
and Conquered. Yes, yes,
yeah, yeah, the good old days

898
01:13:00,239 --> 01:13:03,239
when it was you know, bigger
clubs up there, and I mean it's

899
01:13:03,279 --> 01:13:06,960
coming back. It is nice.
Whatever happened to that band, um,

900
01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:11,560
you know in the end, it
was just like oil and water, you

901
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:14,359
know, like yeah, when everything
settled, you know, we all just

902
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:16,800
kind of went our separate ways.
Yeah. The singer I can kind of

903
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:20,239
still remember him. He was like
like a wasn't he like a big like

904
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:25,479
biker dude, very intimidating. Yeah
he was. Yeah, he was stocky.

905
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:27,760
Actually, now that I'm thinking about
it, I can still picture of

906
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:30,560
the cover too. It was a
black and white photo and I think you

907
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,920
guys might have been at Railroad Tracks. We were on the stairs up at

908
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:38,800
the Stimmy corp of Engineer's Damn Up
in Franklin. Gotcha, gotcha? Yeah?

909
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:43,560
Now after that was Mindset Acts.
Next for you. After that band,

910
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:48,439
I had one more small project that
lasted maybe a year, but oh

911
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:53,279
name is familiar. Yeah, there
was a CD floating around out there's maybe

912
01:13:53,359 --> 01:13:56,319
like a hundred copies in existence.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

913
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:59,600
I think you still have that email
address, don't you that still email?

914
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:04,319
Now? What about you guys?
Obviously you know Mindset X has been around

915
01:14:04,319 --> 01:14:09,399
for a long time. But have
there been other projects too along the way

916
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:15,880
or? Uh? Definitely for me, so, like I actually was trying

917
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:19,039
to think about this the other day. So I have I'm up to like

918
01:14:19,159 --> 01:14:24,399
about. It's over thirty years I've
been playing on the music scene. Yeah,

919
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:28,359
and with my well, I can't
say my first band, but the

920
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:32,239
first gigging band was Hollywood East,
which was out of Manchester here. Oh

921
01:14:32,319 --> 01:14:39,000
okay, and uh it was a
hair hair rock, hair metal what I

922
01:14:39,079 --> 01:14:42,600
call it. It's a cool name, Hollywood East it was. It was

923
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,239
a lot of fun. Yeah.
So I went from that to a a

924
01:14:46,039 --> 01:14:53,640
a punk jazz band up in Maine
called pog Soldier um and then some variations

925
01:14:54,159 --> 01:15:00,199
of other bands. I started also
recording, uh the Obe Show, which

926
01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:03,000
is an all day experience of music
and art and stuff like that. Wow

927
01:15:03,239 --> 01:15:10,760
free for music, so very experimental
stuff and yeah um and then before Mindset

928
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:14,680
X, before I joined on with
them, I also was part of a

929
01:15:15,079 --> 01:15:20,399
m It was a instrumental progressive hard
rock band. I think about that ye

930
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:29,039
called Dreamline and I remember Dreamline really
I do? Um? Did I sit?

931
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:33,800
Okay? Did you ever? Uh? Now, I can't remember the

932
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,039
name of the venue. I feel
like I saw you. Did you play

933
01:15:36,079 --> 01:15:40,239
out a lot with Dreamline? We
we actually did a good amount of shows.

934
01:15:40,279 --> 01:15:44,439
In fact, we've we actually played
with Mindset X well, because I

935
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:48,119
feel like I saw Dreamline live.
I can't remember where though I thought I

936
01:15:48,199 --> 01:15:53,159
thought I had it, but I
remember Dreamline Yeah, showdown at Millie's it

937
01:15:53,279 --> 01:15:57,000
was Dreamline Mindset X. Yeah,
Oh might have been there, Yeah,

938
01:15:57,119 --> 01:15:59,399
it might have been that one oh, actually late now that you said it,

939
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:01,560
very well might have been I think
it's coming back to me, yeah

940
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:04,479
yeah, which could have been yeah, yeah, yeah, well mad Bobs

941
01:16:05,279 --> 01:16:11,840
Bobs. Yeah. But we played
h Dar in Boston, we played Summer's

942
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,600
Worth. We actually got down into
New York City as well with that band.

943
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:16,760
Yeah, so just all all throughout
the East coast, yeah, yeah,

944
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:19,479
or the Northeast, I should say, yeah, yeah, yeah,

945
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:25,239
Well what about you, Steve?
So, I started a band's right out

946
01:16:25,319 --> 01:16:30,560
of high school or was part of
a band anyway called Salem, which was

947
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:35,239
kind of ah, I guess,
progressive rock band, I guess, um,

948
01:16:36,279 --> 01:16:40,479
And that did pretty well for a
while actually, and then Salem kind

949
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:43,279
of this band, a couple members
left. We started a band called Sage

950
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:48,119
a sa Je which was a little
bit out there. Um, but we

951
01:16:48,279 --> 01:16:51,800
did. We did again pretty well
for a little while. And then um,

952
01:16:53,159 --> 01:16:55,720
and then I think you and I
met from a Craigstad or something,

953
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,359
right, and then it was I
think it was New England Rocks. Yeah,

954
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:02,000
yeah, I do, I do. Yeah. He was you know,

955
01:17:02,279 --> 01:17:05,760
bass player and singer guitarist looking for
drummer, and I was a drummer

956
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:10,560
looking for them, and yeah,
we got together and we're like, you

957
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:14,039
know what, let's just start from
scratch, new name, new songs,

958
01:17:14,119 --> 01:17:16,199
knew everything. Yeah, so I
didn't draw any anything from my past.

959
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:19,520
Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, we used to practice.

960
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:26,920
Said that first practice space was the
town clerk of Atkinson's house, really clerk's

961
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:30,000
basement, Linda. Oh, how
jammed up in the in Linda's basement,

962
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:38,760
don't ask we I knew a light
guy named Gary who lived in Atkinson,

963
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:44,560
who liked Salem and he was a
fan of that Salem Sage stuff my past

964
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:47,159
bands. And then we were looking
for a place to practice again, and

965
01:17:47,319 --> 01:17:50,279
he was friends with the town clerk
and she just loved music, right,

966
01:17:50,319 --> 01:17:54,800
and she was all about that.
Um. And I remember many nights three

967
01:17:54,840 --> 01:18:00,159
am trying there was like the scares
from Hell. Yeah, I went down

968
01:18:00,199 --> 01:18:01,680
there. You'd like have to carry
these you know, back then everything was

969
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,640
gigantic heavy, right, so like
you're trying to do this at three in

970
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:08,640
the morning, and you know,
um, but great times. They We

971
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:16,560
probably still have equipment in those cupboards
stands the um. Yeah. So it's

972
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,199
been a quite an interesting ride.
And I think the cool thing about,

973
01:18:19,279 --> 01:18:27,079
of course flag Gulch is it feels
like or kids again, you know what

974
01:18:27,079 --> 01:18:30,520
I mean? And definitely all yeah, we're not. We're not superhold by

975
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:35,319
any means. But I think from
a musical perspective, it's fun and exciting

976
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:41,960
to be able to write new stuff
with no nothing kind of confining you.

977
01:18:42,239 --> 01:18:45,600
Yeah. And and the fact that
the songs just keep flowing, you know.

978
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:50,479
And that's that's from a musicians standpoint
and artists standpoint, that's you don't

979
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:54,760
want to put a stop on that. So I think we're kind of taking

980
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,880
whatever the heavens gives us and running
with it here. So, by the

981
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:00,039
way, I've been told in the
chat room, Edgewise played with the stage

982
01:19:00,079 --> 01:19:02,479
a bunch back in the day.
I do remember that. Yeah, I

983
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,880
remember that. Yep, yep,
so Edgewise. You're twenty six two,

984
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:14,039
right, we're all twenty six here. If you're just joining us, We've

985
01:19:14,079 --> 01:19:16,000
got the guys from horse Fly Golch
here in studio with us. And if

986
01:19:16,039 --> 01:19:19,319
you have any questions or any feedback
at all for the band, the studio

987
01:19:19,399 --> 01:19:26,279
line is open six z three two
five six seven six three two five six

988
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:30,920
seven. Also, we'll just say
hello to everybody in the chat room.

989
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,600
I did mention Edgewise in there and
uh oh, Steve, I see you're

990
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:39,720
in there. Excellent and uh Texas
Mike. Of course we mentioned earlier Melanie

991
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:43,119
Liberty from the Great State of Vermont. We have a board seven, who

992
01:19:43,239 --> 01:19:45,319
is from, of course, Greensboro, North Carolina. These a lot of

993
01:19:45,359 --> 01:19:49,399
hashtags there in Greensboro. It's very
interesting. Now Jay fed is in the

994
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:51,800
chat, of course, from the
Great State of Vermont, and he has

995
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:56,399
a question and he asks this of
all the musical guests. He's kind of

996
01:19:56,399 --> 01:19:58,479
shopping around, and I think he's
running out of time. I think,

997
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,359
yes, I have this figured out. By September. Do you guys play

998
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:05,439
birthday parties? I think we'll play
anywhere as long as Anna win throws anything

999
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:10,640
shop at us. Okay, So
yes, now I must now he didn't

1000
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,399
bring up this part yet in the
chat room, but I feel a duty

1001
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:17,840
to forewarn you about this before you
even entertain any such agreement. He will

1002
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:21,319
probably invite you. I don't think
this is compulsory if you go there and

1003
01:20:21,399 --> 01:20:26,159
play necessarily, but he will probably
invite you to join him in an ice

1004
01:20:26,279 --> 01:20:29,840
bath. I don't know how you
all feel about that. Personally, I

1005
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:31,800
find the idea terrifying, you know, hypothermia, things like that, but

1006
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:35,359
apparently it can be very healthy and
refreshing. I guess I don't know,

1007
01:20:36,279 --> 01:20:39,880
so just sum up for that.
I would do it. Yeah, if

1008
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:43,520
it's ninety degrees, oh, after
we've done playing covered with sweat, you'll

1009
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:45,640
hop in some ice. Yeah.
I don't understand any of it, but

1010
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:49,239
yes, all right, there you
go. These might be your guys,

1011
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:54,279
Jay fed, These these might be
uh, these might be the guys to

1012
01:20:54,399 --> 01:20:59,399
do that. Um, well we'll
write a song called frozen. Yes,

1013
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,920
feel like we're gonna all go home
like Han Solo. Here you go.

1014
01:21:04,199 --> 01:21:09,359
Jenny is in the chatwoman says shalom
peeps from Reagan Airport in d C.

1015
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:12,960
Yes, she's flying back from Washington, DC today. Nice, Hello,

1016
01:21:13,319 --> 01:21:17,399
very exciting. Yes, yes,
um so, now what's the strategy as

1017
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:20,199
far as because you kind of told
me this off air, but what's the

1018
01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:25,880
strategy as far as releasing new music
with this project? They're coming out at

1019
01:21:26,119 --> 01:21:30,119
one at a time every however often
Yeah, Um, as quick as we

1020
01:21:30,279 --> 01:21:34,399
can put them together and get them
out but have them sound decent. So

1021
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:40,159
we've been averaging six to eight weeks. Um would like to hit six every

1022
01:21:40,239 --> 01:21:43,840
time obviously, yeah. Um,
but we're just gonna try and keep releasing

1023
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:49,920
songs every six weeks and until we
don't you know, is um is the

1024
01:21:50,039 --> 01:21:55,239
idea to eventually have enough that because
I've seen a lot of artists of this

1025
01:21:55,319 --> 01:21:57,920
now where they release a single,
you know, like every four or six

1026
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:01,319
weeks whatever it is, and then
eventually those singles at a certain point become

1027
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:05,279
an album. Yes, So that's
exactly what the plan is. So if

1028
01:22:05,279 --> 01:22:11,279
you're looking at something particularly like Spotify, right, it's what kind of do

1029
01:22:11,359 --> 01:22:14,680
with doing the waterfall release method,
right, which we released the One that

1030
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:16,439
Got Away, which is our first
single, and then we just released Snake

1031
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:21,079
Dance, which you played, and
theoretically Snake Dance is our an EP.

1032
01:22:21,319 --> 01:22:26,319
Right, So you see, if
you go on Spotify, you'll see those

1033
01:22:26,359 --> 01:22:29,479
two songs, and then you'll see
those you'll see three songs. In a

1034
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:31,920
couple of weeks, you'll see a
fourth song. So eventually all that stuff

1035
01:22:32,039 --> 01:22:35,600
is going to come to fruition and
be a full length album. At this

1036
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:38,720
point, to be honest, we'd
like to do a vinyl run too,

1037
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:45,560
if possibly a double vinyl album because
as a crazy Minds work, and the

1038
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:50,399
way we've always loved progressive music.
These songs actually represent a story, so

1039
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:56,760
one side is from one person's view
of the story and the other side from

1040
01:22:56,760 --> 01:23:01,520
another person's view. So it it. It's unique kind of concept that will

1041
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:04,520
kind of run with and seeing where
it goes. So yeah, yeah,

1042
01:23:05,119 --> 01:23:09,560
Um, any any plans for I
mean, there's a lyric video I think

1043
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:13,159
right for the one that got away. Any any plans for to do a

1044
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:17,479
proper like a because it seems like
it's easier than ever to make videos.

1045
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:19,840
You know, if you got an
iPhone and you can, you can do

1046
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:24,560
some really amazing things. Yeah,
we got Um, we actually are in

1047
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:30,000
the process of filming a video.
Um, what's it is? High weekend

1048
01:23:30,039 --> 01:23:34,279
in June? Something? Is it
with the release or I think it is?

1049
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:38,920
Yeah, all right, well yes
the next song should come with a

1050
01:23:39,079 --> 01:23:42,720
video. Both released them the same
day. Cool, it will will come

1051
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:46,880
with it will excellent? Are you
are you guys making that yourselves? Are

1052
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:50,520
you working with anybody on that?
A good friend of mine, Christian Patty,

1053
01:23:51,399 --> 01:23:56,760
Um, he will be helping us
with the production part of it and

1054
01:23:56,840 --> 01:24:00,199
stuff and be doing most of the
editing. Uh. Um. He's a

1055
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:05,199
you know he he's a great friend, loves it, takes pictures and wants

1056
01:24:05,239 --> 01:24:11,439
to take it a step further,
and has worked with UM some video stuff

1057
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:16,960
before. So we are looking forward
to having a real nice classic, you

1058
01:24:17,039 --> 01:24:21,199
know, whatever, whatever it comes
out, there may be snakes, snakes

1059
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:26,520
like that. You never know,
you know, is it going to be

1060
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:30,199
for Snake Dance? No? You
know. Originally it was UM and the

1061
01:24:30,319 --> 01:24:35,640
concept kind of holds true. It
was nice and interchangeable. So I think

1062
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:40,640
the next song I think we're releasing
it is called The Long Road, and

1063
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:45,279
from a single perspective, it's got
that thing on it, that thing.

1064
01:24:46,159 --> 01:24:48,720
We don't know what that thing means, or if we all knew what that

1065
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:53,399
thing means, we all be millionaires, right, But I think it's from

1066
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:55,920
a single perspective, we think it
makes sense to kind of put the video

1067
01:24:55,960 --> 01:25:00,680
behind this particular song. But in
the concept for this Nick Dance and this

1068
01:25:00,199 --> 01:25:03,439
they're actually close to each other in
the story, So okay, from a

1069
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:06,439
video perspective, it's kind of easy
to yeah, yeah, that changed.

1070
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:10,800
So it's funny. I was having
a conversation with somebody recently on the show

1071
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:14,640
about music videos and because there are
people who I'm sure you guys run into

1072
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:18,640
it. There are people who have
this idea that you know, since MTV

1073
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:23,079
stop showing videos, I don't know
if they show any at all anymore.

1074
01:25:23,199 --> 01:25:27,439
A long time ago that the music
videos are just like a completely dead medium,

1075
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:30,960
and it's like there's really if you
go on YouTube, there's more.

1076
01:25:30,319 --> 01:25:33,039
I mean there's there's artists, you
know, of course, they're like major

1077
01:25:33,159 --> 01:25:35,560
artists who have a lot of money. Like if Beyonce, you know,

1078
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:40,560
puts out a new album, you'll
get a video for every single song.

1079
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:43,800
There's actually more videos than ever.
I think I agree with you. I

1080
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:45,239
think a lot of people don't even
know a song is released unless as a

1081
01:25:45,319 --> 01:25:48,640
video for it, right, And
that goes down when when you say video

1082
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:55,399
now it's it's reels stories, you
know, let's not even get into TikTok.

1083
01:25:55,920 --> 01:26:01,600
So I think I think videos are
more important then probably even the MTV

1084
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:04,560
days at this point, because that's
that's all people do. We see it

1085
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:09,840
every day, right, you go
anywhere, people just scrolling through their next

1086
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:13,159
thing, right, and that's that's
how it is these days. Um So

1087
01:26:13,399 --> 01:26:17,600
we've as a band, we even
the mindset X. I think we were

1088
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:20,479
never very diligent about making good videos. I mean, we made a couple

1089
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:23,479
of good videos with Amanda. We
made too, I think, and I

1090
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:25,800
think that's as far as we went. We were just going way back.

1091
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:28,520
Yeah we did oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Atmosphere had a video.

1092
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:32,000
Then we did snakes in here and
there, so we we got to get

1093
01:26:32,039 --> 01:26:34,800
on that bandwagon. I think,
you know, we've learned thirty years later,

1094
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:39,680
maybe we should make some more videos. Yeah. No, I think

1095
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:42,159
you're right though that now it's more
important than ever, you know, because

1096
01:26:42,319 --> 01:26:45,359
especially now, you make a video
and then you can share it everywhere.

1097
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:49,279
And I remember being a kid,
and uh, I would with the VCR.

1098
01:26:49,399 --> 01:26:53,960
I would record videos off of MTV, you know how the Beta Max.

1099
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:59,239
Yeah, I know I'm not quite
that old, but but I did.

1100
01:26:59,399 --> 01:27:02,199
But I did do the VHS and
uh, I mean I remember Beta

1101
01:27:02,239 --> 01:27:05,640
Max. I know what it is. But it's funny that actually better quality,

1102
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:09,960
and yet that's the one that died. But but yeah, I remember

1103
01:27:10,039 --> 01:27:14,079
recording videos off of MTV and hoping
that, you know, my my favorite

1104
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:16,159
video would come on and I would
record it and it was a big deal

1105
01:27:16,199 --> 01:27:18,239
and then I'd get really upset,
if you know, after a while the

1106
01:27:18,279 --> 01:27:20,279
tape would wear out, and then
it's like, oh, I don't have

1107
01:27:20,359 --> 01:27:24,319
that video anymore, and that song
is not popular anymore. They're never going

1108
01:27:24,359 --> 01:27:27,920
to show it again. Yeah,
you know, now I'm just screwed,

1109
01:27:28,159 --> 01:27:30,840
you know. And now in the
year twenty twenty three, any any music

1110
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:33,119
video I've ever wanted to see,
I can just go on YouTube and type

1111
01:27:33,159 --> 01:27:38,439
it in such a crazy thing,
like the videos video thing, especially in

1112
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,239
so many variables with that, where
like you have to keep in mind,

1113
01:27:41,279 --> 01:27:45,199
like the demographic that your band is
kind of aiming for, right, So

1114
01:27:45,359 --> 01:27:47,840
obviously, if if you're aiming for
eighteen nineteen year olds, it's all TikTok,

1115
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:50,359
snapchat and all that stuff. Yeah, but there is still a group

1116
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:54,359
like if you're aiming for you know, forty five year old whatever, fifty

1117
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:58,199
year olds, I mean they still
buy cts. Oh yeah. So yeah,

1118
01:27:58,279 --> 01:28:00,000
you're kind of going to find that
weird middle ground. You make a

1119
01:28:00,079 --> 01:28:03,239
small CD run, you're at the
same time you're supposed to be on social

1120
01:28:03,279 --> 01:28:08,960
media daily and all this fun stuff. And you know, if there's any

1121
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:13,399
social media managers out there, please
give us a call, yeah, because

1122
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:15,640
this is not an easy thing to
do, and it's a lot to keep

1123
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:20,319
up with, a lot to keep
up constantly changing and evolving and yeah,

1124
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:25,039
who who does that? Like,
do you guys all just kind of handle

1125
01:28:25,119 --> 01:28:27,399
that yourselves, all three of you? Or right now? Yeah, right

1126
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:30,079
now, we're just doing it ourselves. Yeah, I mean, Steve does

1127
01:28:30,119 --> 01:28:32,800
a majority of it, but I'm
doing what I can. Paul and I

1128
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:35,119
are doing what I can pitch in
you know what I mean? Yeah,

1129
01:28:35,199 --> 01:28:40,600
yeah, absolutely. Um, are
there any live performances on YouTube? I

1130
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:44,920
didn't. I didn't. There's one. It's got the first three songs from

1131
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:50,000
the first show. Oh okay,
Um, well yeah it's um. I

1132
01:28:50,079 --> 01:28:54,840
actually requested so Tom O'Connor's friend there. I did request a copy of it,

1133
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:58,199
but I haven't got yet. But
there is one that should be floating

1134
01:28:58,199 --> 01:29:02,279
around YouTube somewhere. And funny it
has to only as mindset X. We

1135
01:29:02,319 --> 01:29:08,600
always wanted to write an instrumental and
we never did, and then really surprised.

1136
01:29:09,039 --> 01:29:11,960
Yeah, I don't know why.
We every time we wrote the song,

1137
01:29:12,039 --> 01:29:15,239
we're like, oh, which is
this is this lyrics? But then

1138
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:18,479
then we wrote the Outlaw, and
the Outlaw was like, this doesn't need

1139
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:21,000
any lyrics. So it's the first
instrument that we've ever written as a band

1140
01:29:21,119 --> 01:29:25,239
is actually on this too, and
that's actually recorded. It's on that video.

1141
01:29:25,319 --> 01:29:29,520
So every time I'm watching, like, yeah, like that's all.

1142
01:29:30,319 --> 01:29:32,079
We have a call. Hi,
welcome to Matt Connorton Unleashed Too. Is

1143
01:29:32,119 --> 01:29:38,399
this I'm add It's Gary? Hey
Gary, how are you doing? We

1144
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:40,840
are? We are short on time, my friend, So I'll just ask

1145
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:45,039
you to be be terrists if you
would. No, I was just wondering

1146
01:29:45,079 --> 01:29:49,079
if they would do like maybe MPR's
tiny guest concerts. Oh, I can

1147
01:29:49,119 --> 01:29:54,159
imagine you guys on there. Yeah, absolutely the contact information for that.

1148
01:29:54,359 --> 01:29:56,800
Yeah, we just actually talked about
that last week in one of our little

1149
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,640
band meetings. UM, so the
answer would be, we would definitely be

1150
01:30:00,039 --> 01:30:02,800
luring that option, and if we
can, um some help pulled it off,

1151
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:05,439
we'll definitely promote the heck out of
it. So oh yeah, yeah,

1152
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,720
yeah, because I've seen a lot
of I've seen a lot of the

1153
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:11,359
good. They've got a lot of
good groups and a lot of good people

1154
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:15,000
on there, and uh and they
yeah, they do and they you know,

1155
01:30:15,119 --> 01:30:19,439
like I just saw a couple of
them and there was this Latin group

1156
01:30:20,039 --> 01:30:27,279
all girl, and they had they
were playing with a susaphone and uh some

1157
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:30,520
some brass and then uh girls,
but they were really good. This girl

1158
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:35,000
was played twelve strings, played six
string. It's really good at it,

1159
01:30:35,199 --> 01:30:39,279
so very very cool. Yeah,
and then they support all the genres too,

1160
01:30:39,359 --> 01:30:41,199
which is nice. Yeah, we'll
definitely see what we can do to

1161
01:30:41,239 --> 01:30:43,840
get on that. I appreciate that. And yeah, if you guys do

1162
01:30:44,119 --> 01:30:46,640
videos, maybe you could get Melanie
to start on one of your videos.

1163
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:49,640
You know, I don't know who
Melanie is, but it's always looking for

1164
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:55,039
something like that, you know in
Vermont, you know. Oh yeah,

1165
01:30:55,079 --> 01:30:58,479
cool, Yeah, have her send
us an email on our websitehust play girls

1166
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:02,640
stuck them at Chris cool. Well, well if you go for the birthday

1167
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:09,279
party, Chris nice. All right, Well let's go, Maddie. I

1168
01:31:09,359 --> 01:31:12,800
know I talked to one, but
I just wanted to put my two cents

1169
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:14,880
in on. Thank you very much, No, thank you, no worries,

1170
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:19,119
Gary, We appreciate the call.
Yeah, all right, and I

1171
01:31:19,279 --> 01:31:23,520
love Jenny. Tell Jenny I'm so
proud of her. I heard her.

1172
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:27,119
I'm so proud of her. So
absolutely we'll do we'll do all right,

1173
01:31:27,199 --> 01:31:30,039
great, all right, Gary,
Thanks, have a great evening. By

1174
01:31:30,199 --> 01:31:31,680
all right bye bye, all right, very nice. That was our friend

1175
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:36,079
Gary, and we are we are
nearing the end of the show, so

1176
01:31:36,399 --> 01:31:40,079
before we run out of time,
I want to make sure you mentioned,

1177
01:31:40,159 --> 01:31:43,560
of course, where people should go
online. Oh question, where does the

1178
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:48,600
name come from? By the way, where supply goals back? It was

1179
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:57,319
very spontaneous really. Uh yeah.
We were on our bi weekly or weekly

1180
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:00,960
little zoom meeting that we do to
try and move things forward when we're not

1181
01:32:00,239 --> 01:32:05,960
physically together practicing or writing. Yeah, and we were just thrown around ideas

1182
01:32:06,079 --> 01:32:10,000
and one of us blurted it out, like, hey, what about this?

1183
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:12,960
Yeah, it seems to stick,
you know. And plus, you

1184
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:15,880
know, it's hard to find a
name nowadays. Everything's taken right, right,

1185
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:19,039
you know, you go on that
you can go on these name generators

1186
01:32:19,119 --> 01:32:23,279
online and stuff and come up with
some two or three silly words that don't

1187
01:32:23,359 --> 01:32:26,479
really make sense together. Yeah,
that kind of made sense. And there's

1188
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:30,239
actually a horse flight. Gulch is
a place in Idaho or something. Right,

1189
01:32:31,039 --> 01:32:34,399
it's literally adult, it's like in
between two ravines. We knew it

1190
01:32:34,399 --> 01:32:38,000
would be some sort of Western vibe
because that was the salad music we were

1191
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:41,199
writing, right, guls I mean
it's not country by any means, but

1192
01:32:41,279 --> 01:32:44,880
I think it definitely pays homage too, a little bit of the rocketbilly folky

1193
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:48,079
stuff, right, So we want
something to fit that, and originally was

1194
01:32:48,119 --> 01:32:51,319
going to be the bar Flies right
then, just like seven million of the

1195
01:32:51,359 --> 01:32:58,039
band, I wasna, no matter
what's spelling you did or whatever they did

1196
01:32:58,079 --> 01:33:00,319
in the bar Flyes, and that
didn't even want kennel. Yeah right,

1197
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:03,079
No, I like, uh worst
flag Goolts. It's a good name.

1198
01:33:03,279 --> 01:33:06,880
It's uh, we're pretty happy with
its memorable. Yeah, no, it

1199
01:33:08,039 --> 01:33:11,399
is. It is, all right. So what should people know about where

1200
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:13,960
to find you guys online? Keep
up with what you're doing, go to

1201
01:33:14,039 --> 01:33:17,119
shows, get your music, all
of that. I'm looking at you,

1202
01:33:17,239 --> 01:33:20,319
Poe, Well you do most of
the media I do, all right.

1203
01:33:20,359 --> 01:33:28,319
So flaggols dot com is our official
website, and I think Instagram and Facebook

1204
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:31,279
definitely in the two social media platforms
that we're kind of really into at the

1205
01:33:31,399 --> 01:33:35,560
moments, Instagram will probably the one
that you'll find us on the most as

1206
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:40,199
we move forward. We do have
a band camp and there is a SoundCloud

1207
01:33:40,239 --> 01:33:44,079
and all that fun stuff, but
I think Facebook, Instagram hostflagols dot com.

1208
01:33:44,159 --> 01:33:45,680
It's kind of the main places.
And obviously at the website, all

1209
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:49,560
the links are right up tops YouTube, right yeah, YouTube. The videos

1210
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:51,800
will always be up on YouTube.
But I'm not sure how much of a

1211
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:56,640
creator aspect we're going to be able
to play with that, because that just

1212
01:33:56,760 --> 01:34:00,439
takes so much time. And yeah, I don't think we chose that avenue,

1213
01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:03,600
but it is on YouTube music and
in several other pretty much all the

1214
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:06,680
platform all all the streaming platforms are
on. So if I could give any

1215
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:09,479
love out there, and I could
say, if you could do anything for

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us to help the pandout, go
on Spotify, give us a like,

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adds to your playlist, um,
because because that's with a three cents a

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month rows in. Yeah, that's
right, that's right, all right,

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very good, very good. And
uh we'll close out the show with what

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now? What's is snake Dance the
current single? Or is it that's the

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newest one. That's the newest one, so well I played it earlier,

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but well we'll close with it too. Cool, great great song. Thank

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you. Um, I love both
of them, but yeah, this is

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a this is a great track,
gentleman, Adam, Steve Paul, thank

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you all so much. Good to
see you see, this has been wonderful.

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And if you miss any part of
and Horsey or whatever its name will

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be ultimately, and if you missed
any part of today's show, it will

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be up in just a little bit
at WMNH radio dot org and a my

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website, Matt Connerton dot com.
And uh, we're gonna go ahead and

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get out of here. Let's listen
to some snake dance from horse Fly Gulch.

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To close out today is Matt Connerton
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