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Yes, yes I know aka Survivor Man, 18 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:37.400 and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch Ottison. He there and welcome back 19 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:41.040 to Sasquatchotus. Thank you so much for being with us for the show. 20 00:01:41.079 --> 00:01:44.079 It is Friday. I hope you're having a great week. We have an 21 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:46.799 amazing guest lined up. But before we get there, I want to start 22 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:49.120 by inviting you. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on 23 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:53.000 the show, shoot me an email you get me a Brian at pairing more 24 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:56.079 World Productions dot com. Can head over to the website, check it out, 25 00:01:56.079 --> 00:02:00.519 become a member there and help support the show. I got to sit 26 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:06.680 down with Cindy from Idaho, and Cindy and I talked for almost three hours. 27 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:10.039 So what I've done is I'm going to divide this up into at least 28 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:15.039 two episodes for you guys. This first one is about an hour. Cindy 29 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:20.599 has had a ton of experiences between her time in East Texas and moving to 30 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:24.639 Idaho. She starts off in this episode laying the groundwork and sort of painting 31 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:29.439 the picture for you. As far as her research, her experiences with the 32 00:02:29.439 --> 00:02:32.919 TBRC in East Texas before her and her husband moved to Idaho where they start 33 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:38.840 having some really weird experiences with Bigfoot there. I'll let Cindy tell you all 34 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:42.840 about that in just a second, really quickly. 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I hadn't want to welcome our guest to the show. 61 00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:39.399 It is Cindy from Idaho. Welcome to the show, Cindy. Hey, 62 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:42.120 how are y'all doing? Good good, I'm glad to have you. 63 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:45.360 Let's get right into it. Let's talk about Bigfoot. What guy you interested 64 00:04:45.399 --> 00:04:48.759 in the subject to begin with? For some weird reason, I saw the 65 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:53.839 Patti film when I was young. I think when it came out, I 66 00:04:53.839 --> 00:04:56.920 don't know, I might have been seven or eight, I don't know. 67 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:00.079 I didn't do the mouth, but it just bothered me. Forgot about it, 68 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:04.879 and it had this impact on how I saw the outdoors, which is 69 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:10.720 crazy because even though I love in Idaho, I'm from Texas. Off the 70 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:15.079 beach, the hill country, and the Big Thicket. Those are areas that 71 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:18.240 I got into. But that's pretty much what got me into it. And 72 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:25.199 then move ahead years later, nineteen ninety eight, I just happened to go 73 00:05:25.279 --> 00:05:29.680 online and I started doing some research and the next thing I knew, I 74 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:35.319 was at that time living in East Texas and I met up with a group 75 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:41.720 of people. I was horrified to find out that they were all over. 76 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:48.079 Texas is like one of the top areas that has reports. So I started 77 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:53.240 going out and I learned how to truck in the woods and how to sit 78 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:58.000 and listen to the environment and all the animals, and I had the pleasure 79 00:05:58.040 --> 00:06:00.879 of going out with a lot of the top people about you hear about today 80 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:06.000 legends that were in this area at that time. And then that's pretty much 81 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:11.800 what got me started. And then eventually I moved to North Idaho and I've 82 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:16.000 been there twenty years, and that's a whole other story. I definitely want 83 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:19.160 to get into the Idaho experiences. But before we move into that, let's 84 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:21.560 talk about this group that you hooked up with there, the people that you 85 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:25.800 went out with, and you said it was basically a discovery for you that 86 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:29.759 they were giving you information that these things were all over the place. Some 87 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:31.519 people don't get that. That's why I started the show is to talk about 88 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:35.040 the Southeastern United States. I was born and raised in Georgia. I'm in 89 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:39.839 the Carolinas now, and I wanted to document as many of those types of 90 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:43.680 encounters in my area because a lot of people say they don't exist in my 91 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:46.480 area. Talk a little bit about the area there in East Texas, particularly 92 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:50.519 where you are, Describe the area as far as the layout of the land, 93 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:54.279 and then talk a little bit about the group that you got interested in 94 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:57.839 and involved with and what they shared with you about Sasquatch at the time. 95 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:02.959 Okay, let me see. So I'm from South Texas, like by the 96 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:10.480 Texas border, and then I moved to Dallas, and then when I met 97 00:07:10.519 --> 00:07:15.079 my husband, we moved out east of Dallas, which is still considered East 98 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:19.360 Texas. And if you look on a map Lake Tawakane, that's pretty much 99 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:24.399 where I'm at in that area. We have a small ranch out here. 100 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:30.600 This whole area here, there's just tons of woods and there are some pine 101 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:36.959 trees. The big thicket is different areas of East Texas, like Boykin Springs 102 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:43.319 is one area. They have a ton of pines over there. I don't 103 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:46.199 know if they're ponder rosa pines. They're just a bunch of pine trees and 104 00:07:46.519 --> 00:07:53.639 a lot of blues and swamps and stuff like that, things that you have 105 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:59.360 to really be cherful of snakes. So as far as the environment goes that 106 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:03.600 I humid, I guess that's the best way to describe that. So does 107 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:07.560 it answer your question? It definitely does. More so just that there are 108 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:11.199 trees in areas where these things could exist. Right Because I went to Texas 109 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:16.079 as a kid, I went to the Brian Texas area back in the yeah, 110 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:18.560 long time ago, and it's really flat out there. It's really open. 111 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:22.639 That's what people tend to think about when they think about Texas as just 112 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:26.120 this big, wide, open flat space. But I always want to have 113 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:28.160 people on the show, like I had Craig Woolheater on recently, and he's 114 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:33.320 from Texas and he's talking about East Texas and it's very much like what we 115 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:37.320 experience here in the Carolinas in a lot of ways. So I like to 116 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:41.039 paint that picture for people to understand that we're not talking about just a flat, 117 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:43.840 wide open deserty type of environment. There's water, like you said, 118 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:48.360 there's these swamps, a lot of cover there that could potentially hide one of 119 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:52.679 these creatures. Let's fast forward a little bit and get into the Idaho area 120 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:56.159 and those experiences that you had there. Once you get into Idaho, are 121 00:08:56.159 --> 00:08:58.840 you actively going out and seeking these things out as far as researching or did 122 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:03.120 you to just go out there and have an experience. I'm gonna go back 123 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:07.360 to Texas for a and a part of your question prior was a group that 124 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:11.480 wasn't really a group. It was a group, but they were not called 125 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:18.320 the Bigfoot Outlaws at that time. They became the Bigfoot Outlaws later in life. 126 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:20.600 I don't know if you've heard of Kimbo Baker Bear. They called him 127 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:24.600 Bear, and then Tim Grant was Kumbo Baker. Tim Baker, I haven't 128 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:28.320 talked to him in years, but he taught me a lot. Bear taught 129 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:33.600 me a lot. He goes by Jim King on Facebook. Bear's like my 130 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:37.159 brother. So now, like in two thousand and six, two thousand and 131 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:43.159 seven, they are like one of the early pioneers being on air on YouTube 132 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:48.519 doing podcasts. They are some of the people. And then there's another guy 133 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:52.000 the TBRC. I know, Craig Woule Heater. It was Craig and Loup 134 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:56.879 and me. We were the only three with the Texas Bigfoot Research Center TBRC 135 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:03.000 at that time. I was with them very briefly before they became this expanded 136 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:07.399 group. Luke Gross was the founder of that team. He's not associated with 137 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:11.799 them today, but Luke Gross I owe so much to him. He knows 138 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:16.240 a lot. Anybody who's on Facebook, look up Luke Gross. I don't 139 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:18.360 know how acted he is or I don't know if he's with the team or 140 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:22.759 anything we talk here and there that you can find him and message him that 141 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:26.080 all these people played a part in teaching me how to track, pulling out 142 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:31.679 in the woods every sound that you can hear, because I was never like 143 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:35.960 an outdoorsman to like how I am now. Another part of the country that 144 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:41.320 I did not tell you about is southeast Oklahoma, Hono Bia, Oklahoma. 145 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:45.679 Have you heard of that area? Absolutely, so we would take out horses 146 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:50.000 up there. Plus I have family in that area in Tallaheena. I had 147 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:52.840 never been to that area, and in nineteen ninety seven. I married my 148 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:56.480 husband in ninety three, and then in nineteen ninety seven, I didn't even 149 00:10:56.480 --> 00:11:01.840 start researching yet. Until nineteen ninety eight I started look dabbling into it. 150 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:07.440 But my husband said, hey, let's go to Talahina. I want you 151 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:11.120 to be and my family up there. Plus we wanted to check out an 152 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:15.000 area where we could take our horses because we're avid horse people. We would 153 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:18.519 ride all the time. Actually, this is where we lived here by late 154 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:24.159 Twakney on this homestead here and our horses would run out back. One of 155 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:28.000 the things I started noticing, and I also noticed this up in North Idaho, 156 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:33.559 was their manes and tails were messed up. And I know what a 157 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:35.720 witch is not looks like I know what a barbed wire. I know what 158 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:41.879 a tangle is. These things that were on my quart of horse peat and 159 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:46.960 the other Palomino that we had, these were different. They were like messed 160 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:50.279 up braids. It's not like it was braided, but there was a pattern 161 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:54.679 to it. There's a pattern to a lot of things that I've noticed, 162 00:11:56.240 --> 00:12:00.720 specifically two horses. We had nine horses at one time. And in the 163 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:05.519 back of the property there there's fifteen acres and then there's woods a thousand acres 164 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:13.320 that goes to late Twaukane and the TBRC has been out that way and Luke 165 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:16.240 and Craig. I don't know if Craig was there, but Luke and me, 166 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:20.320 you were out there with a group of people and we found some structures 167 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:24.200 that you know, the typical things that you see out people showing. We 168 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:30.679 found different possible structures out in the woods. So I was just shocked. 169 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:33.679 Of course, at that time, I didn't know a lot of what I 170 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:39.320 know now. So something that happened in East Texas. If you look on 171 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:43.120 a map at Texas, you have the southern part a lawn, the Rio 172 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:46.720 Grande River. There's a ton of woods there and there's a lot of dog 173 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:50.480 men and crazy stuff down there. I've never been down there to research out. 174 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:56.519 And then you go up into the Valley and Houston Corpus and it's off 175 00:12:56.519 --> 00:13:00.000 flat like farm land. Then you get into the Hill Country, which is 176 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:03.440 Austin. There's a ton of activity there. It's called the Hill Country for 177 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:09.080 a reason. Then you go into West Texas, which goes into some dry, 178 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:13.960 rocky mountains. I'm not familiar with that area. Then you have East 179 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:20.720 Texas, and then you have Southeast Oklahoma, the Kayamichi Mountains, those areas 180 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:26.480 where I went for years before I moved up north. One night, I 181 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:30.320 don't know how many people were there. There was this one area that we 182 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:33.600 went to called Boykin Springs. It's not a secret now. I've talked about 183 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:39.879 this on other podcasts. Baer has talked about what's happened to him. We 184 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:45.639 would go and spend thousands of hours out in different areas. We would conduct 185 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:50.200 experiments, and we would go back and we would do things over, try 186 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:56.120 something different. This one night, I think it's what we called dead end 187 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:58.159 Road. I didn't call it that some of the other people I've been out 188 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:03.960 with a dead end road. One night there was a lot of activity and 189 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:09.320 this is that Boykin Springs. Because I have helped other people get to this 190 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:13.240 location. Again, it's not a secret, and even though it's not a 191 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:18.240 secret anymore, anyone can go there and research and still possibly have encounters which 192 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:22.600 could be something you hear maybe. But this one night, we were all 193 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:26.679 in the woods. There was a lot of activity. Someone was looking through 194 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:31.240 the thermal and they saw a large something coming forward. I didn't stay it 195 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:33.799 with my own eyes, so I can't stay it with das squatch, but 196 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:41.399 I know that there was a lot of activity and apparently more than a cluble 197 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:46.360 were coming through the woods. The next thing I know, I was standing 198 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:50.480 in the woods off of the road. I heard someone saying something and then 199 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:56.399 Kelly Madden, Lee was part of the Bigfoot Outlaws. She was standing maybe 200 00:14:56.440 --> 00:15:00.080 ten or twenty feet in front of me. All of a sudden, I 201 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:05.200 could not move. I was stunned. It was so obvious, and I 202 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:09.039 knew what it was, but it had never happened to be that bad. 203 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:13.679 I couldn't even move. I think my eyes were doing something like that, 204 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:16.759 and then I was looking at Kelly. I couldn't even talk. I was 205 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:22.399 straining, like wh knew how sleep paralyst is. I couldn't move, I 206 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:26.759 couldn't do anything. And then I just dropped to the ground like I was 207 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:31.440 released from whatever was holding me. That was the worst thing, the worst 208 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:37.960 time that something like that happened to me. In East Texas, Pombo would 209 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:41.960 explain to us about infrasound or frequency, whatever you want to call it, 210 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:46.799 different hearts levels and the strengths of how all of that works. Even though 211 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:50.240 he explained this to me it was science, I was like, yeah, 212 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:54.480 whatever. I didn't find it interesting. What I wanted to know was how 213 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:58.279 could I get so sick. I was sick for a day. I was 214 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:02.399 throwing up and my my eyes were all watery. Kelly, my friend, 215 00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:06.799 had it worse than I did. I was nauseous and I blocked out a 216 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:10.200 lot from that night. I know other people have talked about that night on 217 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:15.440 other shows. That right there was a bad experience for me. I have 218 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:19.399 had a siding in soul for Springs, Texas. We were at this private 219 00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:23.480 residence. It was nighttime. I don't know what year this was, maybe 220 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:29.159 ninety nine. Yeah, it was ninety nine. We were upstairs, I 221 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:33.720 think, at this barn. I'm not sure where exactly. I think it 222 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:38.840 was this lady's residence. But I had gone to the trunk of my car. 223 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:41.720 A lot wasn't going on. We weren't hearing a lot. I think 224 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:47.279 we heard like a sick fox or something that sounded like a wounded fox, 225 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:51.240 or I don't know. But I went to my vehicle and I opened up 226 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:55.440 the trunk to get a drink, and then someone said, fifty feet in 227 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:59.720 front of you. I guess they had a their thermal night vision. And 228 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:03.920 I had my hand on the trunk and I closed it, and I was 229 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:07.880 scared. We had been out there for hours, so my eyes I could 230 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:12.039 see like the shadows and all that. And I went back to the location 231 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:18.559 where we had been, which was back to the building, and I like, 232 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:22.119 get out of the last ten yards. I was trying to act like 233 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:26.880 normal. Then I think someone got a picture of it, like the night 234 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:32.960 vision, and you could see like the face and like the facial features. 235 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:37.759 It looked like something was browning or it was like showing its teeth. But 236 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:41.480 of course it was nighttime. That was a little concerning for me. And 237 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:48.319 then I've been on my hourse out in Tallahena and Hanobia. I've been chased 238 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:52.559 out on horseback. I have a million stories, like I could write a 239 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:56.000 book just the years I spent in that area. So to me, my 240 00:17:56.160 --> 00:18:03.640 opinion of them was they were aggressive. I was pretty much done researching. 241 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:07.480 And then because my husband was active duty at the time, we were trying 242 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:14.400 to move to Montana because I was tired of driving to Dallas working and so 243 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:18.599 he got transferred not to Montana but to North Idaho in two thousand and three. 244 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:22.759 So my husband was looking for a house up there, and we had 245 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:30.960 sold some of my divorses. My children were eighteen months and eight my last 246 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:33.759 research trip, I was out in the woods. I think I was seven 247 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:38.920 months pregnant. I was up in Oklahoma at Red Rock, Oklahoma, and 248 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:42.200 obviously I couldn't do a lot. I look like a big whale, but 249 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:45.880 I was out there hanging out by the campfire and we had some activity there. 250 00:18:47.839 --> 00:18:51.240 After we found out that we were moving to North Idaho, and my 251 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:56.640 husband went first. And because of what happened to me where I was stunned 252 00:18:56.799 --> 00:19:00.680 like that, I was done, like I'm good. I had no more 253 00:19:00.759 --> 00:19:03.599 desire to go out into the woods. The warhead started, and my husband's 254 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:11.119 job is bionuclear warfare, and also he's a mechanic, so I was pretty 255 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:15.319 much I wasn't researching that much anymore, even though we had activity around here 256 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:19.680 which was totally insane. We sold some horses. My husband went first to 257 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:25.440 North iidahota buyd a house. He said, he found this house. It 258 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:29.240 was in the woods. He sent me pictures. It was only the outside. 259 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:33.000 The inside wasn't completed yet, and it was in our budget, which 260 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:40.319 is the craziest thing because that house should have been priced sixty thousand more dollars 261 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:45.000 and nobody was buying. It was just on the market like two days and 262 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:49.319 at that time in North Idaho everything was going up up. I said, 263 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:56.680 absolutely not, there's no way. So there was nothing else available in our 264 00:19:56.720 --> 00:20:00.200 budget. My husband said, we're gonna have to buy it, and I'm 265 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:04.799 like, fine, it's beautiful. It's on six acres. We'll have to 266 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:08.680 make it horse property, even though it's not like fields of grass or whatever. 267 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:15.400 So he purchased a property. It actually was not completed, so it 268 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:18.799 was on the market, which was really weird. Because all of this, 269 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:22.640 like that house should not have been listed until it was completed. It wasn't 270 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:26.559 completed, and so I'm like, why is it on the market, because 271 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:30.759 inside it was all just two by fours in how can you put it? 272 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:36.599 It was insane. So we put an offer in on the house and the 273 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:41.839 guy needed like another month to finish it. He finished that house so fast. 274 00:20:41.599 --> 00:20:47.359 I'm just shocked because the day my husband signed on the dotted line, 275 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:52.200 the real estate agent said someone else wants to buy this house, and my 276 00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:56.920 husband's I'm sorry, but I'm going to Texas to got my family. So 277 00:20:57.279 --> 00:21:03.920 everything was just very strange. How it started out like nothing made sense that 278 00:21:04.359 --> 00:21:11.119 I will never forget. So my husband came back down here and the military 279 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:15.640 moved all of our stuff and we hauled our horses straight across the country Utah, 280 00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:22.759 Wyoming, Montana, straight across into Cortlane North to where I live today, 281 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:27.559 And I will never forget the feeling I got. I was ready to 282 00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:30.960 get out of the truck because when you haul horses, you can only go 283 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:37.240 eight hours a day if you're being conscientious, and I was ready. I 284 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:42.400 was sticked from going over the Lolo Pass on the fourth of July pass because 285 00:21:42.440 --> 00:21:48.279 it's like this, I've never done anything like that, and I'm driving my 286 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:52.960 vehicle. Finally, when we came into Portlaine, and then we went straight 287 00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:56.240 on ninety five, we weren't home yet. As soon as we came on 288 00:21:56.359 --> 00:22:00.799 to my road, which is like a logging road, I will never forget 289 00:22:02.119 --> 00:22:07.279 looking at that house, and I remember I got this chill up my spine. 290 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:10.599 I didn't have time to go explore. I had to get the kids 291 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:14.200 out, we had to unload the horses, and I remember the whole time 292 00:22:14.559 --> 00:22:18.599 I got down. This was in May of two thousand and four, so 293 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:22.079 this is a long time ago. I was seriously not creeped out, but 294 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:26.559 I knew my life was going to change. After we got somewhat settled in, 295 00:22:27.319 --> 00:22:32.480 I walked the property and I started seeing the same patterns that I did 296 00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:37.160 in Texas, the structures, the trees. There was so much in my 297 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:42.920 back woods and everything around me around my house is wooded except for the house 298 00:22:44.279 --> 00:22:48.160 next to me. It's a red barn house. Then my husband drops a 299 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:52.519 bomb on me because my house it's a ranch house and I have a running 300 00:22:52.599 --> 00:22:56.640 porch. I love porches and I love rocky chairs. I'm from the South. 301 00:22:56.119 --> 00:23:00.119 I stepped out on that front porch so I was bloking, and then 302 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:03.920 I realized. I was like, oh my gosh, that's beautiful because there 303 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:07.279 was a mountain like right there, not like right there, but maybe close 304 00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:11.160 enough. And my husband goes, oh, that's who Doo mountain. I'm 305 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:14.319 like, what is the name? What is the name of that mountain? 306 00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:18.359 He says, who Doo? I'm Whodoo Woodoo and he starves laughing. I'm 307 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:22.400 like, that's not okay, Like now you're telling me and he says, 308 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:25.839 I aw, that don mean nothing, and I said, yeah. I 309 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:32.519 grew up in a very spiritual home. My great grandmother was from Mexico and 310 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:37.599 she was a healer and they called her Nachitah. I think she was Mayan 311 00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:44.000 that she had that blue black hair, the high cheekbones. I remember her 312 00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:47.759 very well up until I think I was like four years old. Then she 313 00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:52.279 died. It's like I could feel her with me and I hadn't thought about 314 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:59.839 for in years, and I remember going, this is crazy. So I 315 00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:06.559 walked the property. I found a lot of similarities of what I experienced in 316 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:11.559 Oklahoma and East Texas. Boyk In springs and some other areas. Then I 317 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:19.519 purposely waited. I did not go out on purpose to research. I was 318 00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:26.480 sitting outside one night and then I heard my first howl and it's that sirens 319 00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:32.279 down and it was coming off the mountain, and I remember I got so 320 00:24:32.440 --> 00:24:37.559 excited and I ran in the house and I called my neighbor, who I 321 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:41.000 had told you a little bit. I've been a researcher. She stepped out 322 00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:45.519 on her porch and you could hear them going off, and she goes, 323 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:51.599 that is crazy. Then my husband was like, that's definitely not a wolf. 324 00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:52.880 You know, he's a hunter. He's been out in the woods forever. 325 00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:57.440 They're hunting right now up into calb Texas. We got one hundred acres 326 00:24:57.480 --> 00:25:02.559 out there, which is an hour and a half northeast. I think from 327 00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:07.319 here, stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see right back. After these 328 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:15.519 messages, I was like, Okay, I'm in prime country now. So 329 00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:21.599 the time after that, I started paying more attention. I found prints outside. 330 00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:26.839 I would always watch my dogs and my horses for reactions. That helped 331 00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:30.000 me quite a bit. I learned to spend a lot of time outside. 332 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:36.319 I would get coffee and I would go outside. I have this routine and 333 00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:40.000 I would go to the back of my woods and I would just sit and 334 00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:45.279 I would just listen. I learned every sound. I learned the moose, 335 00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:49.039 the bobcat, the cougar, the wolf, the black bear, the coyote, 336 00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:53.960 the badger, everything, the deer, the white tail, everything that 337 00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:59.559 was out there. And then my husband was trying to tell me about the 338 00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:03.599 moose because I hadn't seen a moos yet at this point. So the winter 339 00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:07.680 of two thousand and four, it was snowing quite a bit, and I 340 00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:11.799 remember thinking, oh, this is cool, my first snowstorm. And then 341 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:17.200 I saw this moves in the back and my son was two, my younger 342 00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:21.359 son, and he was taking a nap. So I grabbed my coat and 343 00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:26.680 I hopped out side off my porch in my backyard, and the snow came 344 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:30.039 up to my knees and I'm like, I didn't have the right shoes. 345 00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:36.400 I had on boots, but I hadn't prepared myself. That didn't stop me. 346 00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:41.440 I kept tracking, and then I saw my horse break through the fence. 347 00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:45.720 They'd never seen a moose before, so now I had to go chase 348 00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:49.559 my horse. And then after I brought him back, I saw some of 349 00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:56.720 the structures in the very back of the woods that had been totally changed. 350 00:26:56.319 --> 00:27:00.359 There was this one tree where I had spent a lot of time. This 351 00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:04.160 is all the right backside of my property. For some reason, that just 352 00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:10.599 pulled me to that part of my land. Some of the trees back there 353 00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:15.400 were all just torn apart. And they were fine, they weren't diseased and 354 00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:18.880 nothing. They were all torn apart. There was two or three that were 355 00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:22.440 like pushed over. I'm like, what's the hat? So it had hit 356 00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:26.079 the fence. Part of the fence, not the barbed wire, just bent 357 00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:30.640 and I was like, okay, great. So I had to call my 358 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:34.359 husband to come home because I couldn't fix it. I had my son, 359 00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:41.640 So my husband came home, and that moose was a bull moose and it 360 00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:45.200 wouldn't lead. I'm like, are you kidding me? So it eventually laughed 361 00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:52.359 and just weird stuff was happening, some paranormal stuff, which I was not 362 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:56.279 into at that time. I was hearing things from the woods. I found 363 00:27:56.319 --> 00:28:00.640 Prince one day, I think it was summertime. I found some prints where 364 00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:03.680 I watered and fed my horses, and I called my stun out and he 365 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:07.359 came outside and he saw the Prince. I think it was eight or nine 366 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:11.599 at the time. He saw them, and I said, John, do 367 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:15.519 you see this? And he's yeah, And so I covered it up with 368 00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:18.559 one of the feed buckets. I didn't cast I had stopped doing that. 369 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:22.240 I wasn't trying to research that way anymore. This is my home. I'm 370 00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:26.000 not trying to do any of that here. It was going to rain a 371 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:30.759 couple of days later, so I took the bucket off these two prints and 372 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:34.279 then it rained, and that was that as far as the prints go. 373 00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:40.200 It Plus, it really wasn't castable because there was a ton of pine needles 374 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:45.000 everywhere and where I lived. That's a problem, always pine needles everywhere. 375 00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:48.119 So whenever you find a track or something, you have to be careful of 376 00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:53.279 cleaning it. So two thousand and four, two thousand and five, things 377 00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:59.400 were happening. One day my husband had to go off to his the weekend 378 00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:03.799 thing where the soldiers come in. My husband was active guard reserve over the 379 00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:08.119 battalion out there in that part of Hayden Lake, Idaho. I was sitting 380 00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:12.200 down and I saw I could see through the sliding glass store. It was 381 00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:17.079 like six thirty eight m and my husband was gone, and I saw like 382 00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:22.839 this thing run past so quick, like at the tree line, and I 383 00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:25.960 knew it was on my horse because I ran to the kitchen door. It 384 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:30.240 was summertime, and I looked and my horses were fine. I'm like, 385 00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:32.960 that wasn't a deer because it was standing up. I'm like, what the 386 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:37.279 heck was that? So small things like that were happening, that I was 387 00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:42.240 hearing things, and I wanted to go ahead and tell them I was there, 388 00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:47.759 even though I knew they knew I was there. But I wanted to 389 00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:51.720 try something that we did in East Texas. I took my neighbor with me 390 00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:56.640 and I went up part of Fuduo Mountain and I made I think it was 391 00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:00.720 a distressed call. I don't make calls anymore. I just don't do that 392 00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:06.279 anymore, but on this one night, I did. And twenty minutes later, 393 00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:10.599 after not hearing anything, I was trying to tell my neighbor Susie, 394 00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:15.480 to be wyatt. We could be out there for hours and not hear anything, 395 00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:19.720 but she wasn't patient. So I said, Okay, this isn't gonna 396 00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:23.160 work. I'm telling myself this, and I said, let's go to the 397 00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:29.599 other side of the mountain and let's do the same thing. So I went 398 00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:33.759 down these different logging roads and I went to the base of the other side 399 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:37.480 of Fuju Mountain off this logging road, and I made the same call, 400 00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:44.240 or I try to. And within five minutes or so a short time, 401 00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:48.119 you could hear them coming all the way from where we were just at. 402 00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:52.880 And there was a whole family of them, like a whole plant, and 403 00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:56.559 they were pumming. And then you could hear them get very close. I 404 00:30:56.680 --> 00:31:02.240 had the old fashioned recorder, the one what you put in the cassette. 405 00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:06.720 Hey, I'm a techy person. It's pretty bad, like I'm stupid when 406 00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:08.440 it comes to knowledge. But that's pretty easy, right, you plug in 407 00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:12.799 a microphone. We had done this in the East Texas and we got I 408 00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:18.119 got this dang thing. We had this happen in East Texas. I wasn't 409 00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:21.319 there, but the group of people that I hung out with, they were 410 00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:26.400 with some other people and they did this experiment in East Texas. So here 411 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:29.960 I am when Susie, my neighbor, and seized, Oh, I'm like, 412 00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:33.079 dang it. They were right on top of this, like I was 413 00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:37.599 expecting them to come down off the ridge and well, of course, and 414 00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:41.440 I was pulling in my recorder, threw it in my car. I had 415 00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:47.160 a season and migo and my top was down and I panicked and I closed 416 00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:49.680 the door and I started going down this road and it was like really windy. 417 00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:53.720 I hit something on the thump. I thought, oh my gosh, 418 00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:56.799 I think I hit a tweet stuff. I think I went on road. 419 00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:00.440 I was just where I was like for a second years and she's are you 420 00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:04.599 going home? Because this is two miles from my house. And I remember 421 00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:07.480 one of the things I learned was they'll follow you home. And I was 422 00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:13.039 like, no, I'm at Glay home. So I took this detour and 423 00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:16.160 then I did end up home and I dropped her off. She was not 424 00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:21.200 going to walk through the woods or walk down the road. She was five 425 00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:24.240 acres over. I was so done. I dropped her off, and then 426 00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:30.920 I walked in my home and my husband goes, what is wrong, And 427 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:35.039 of course I was excited, and I told him what happened. Now, 428 00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:39.559 anyone who has heard my podcast, anyone who follows me knows my husband is 429 00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:45.400 not into this. Topic he could care less. He had an encounter in 430 00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:51.240 Southeast Oklahoma horseback writing with two other friends, so he's had an encounter. 431 00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.880 He just doesn't care. He figgers that they're there, leave them alone. 432 00:32:55.720 --> 00:33:00.240 You leave them alone, they'll leave you alone. So he's really sick of 433 00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:06.359 this topic. Because I was gone all the time. I was got all 434 00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:12.519 the time in Texas. I would be going with my group of researcher friends 435 00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:16.079 and then i'd come back home. And because he was military and I worked 436 00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:21.920 full time, it was just really crazy. So here I am with my 437 00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:25.759 neighbor Susie. You could hear the alpha male go off. So that was 438 00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:30.480 when we hopped in my vehicle, and wouldn't you know it, I had 439 00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:34.960 to back up and I think I hit a tree. I know better, 440 00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:37.759 Like anytime i'd go to a new location, I always back in so I 441 00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:42.720 can leave. That's like the first thing I learned. But no, did 442 00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:45.720 I do that. No, I'm trying to back up and I'm doing like 443 00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:50.799 different directions and then I take off. But it got quiet, got quiet, 444 00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:53.680 and my recording was all messed up. So I told my husband what 445 00:33:53.839 --> 00:34:00.440 happened, and he's leave them alone. I'm like no, I want to 446 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:06.480 know. So that next morning, I woke up and I went to my 447 00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:10.800 front porch because I would go outside with my coffee and I'm just like still 448 00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:15.639 stune, like looking. I'm always looking for moose in my woods, or 449 00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:20.199 I'm looking up at the mountain. There are these weird rocks on my front 450 00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:23.519 porch. I know what that means. These were quartz rocks, and there's 451 00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:29.920 no quartz in the immediate area. There could be because that used to be 452 00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:32.960 a glacier area millions of years ago, but those were not there. Because 453 00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:37.440 I sweep off my porch almost every other day, and I remember picking up 454 00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:43.480 the quartz and taking them inside and I put them on the table. I 455 00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:46.320 had a lot of things happen, small things. I would be out in 456 00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:52.880 the woods and I would hear huffs, I would hear things breaking, and 457 00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:57.920 it became a normal thing. I would hear the howls, the sirens sound 458 00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:00.480 is what I call it, off of the mountain or in the woods. 459 00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:05.760 And at that time, there wasn't as many people moving into the area as 460 00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:08.679 there is now. Still is remote. But I had in front of me 461 00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:15.360 the property across the street. This couple owned it from Washington, and I 462 00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:19.679 forgot what tribe they were from, but it was from Washington area, and 463 00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:23.119 she said, my kids could play over there. There was nobody here was 464 00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:27.840 going to come and do anything. It was ten acres and then the property 465 00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:32.360 to the left was empty. That's another five acres. It's just thickly wooded. 466 00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:37.559 And many nights I would hear things from across the street. I would 467 00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:43.960 hear heavy breathing from something big, and I would just sit there and I 468 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:47.119 would just hear and listen. This one day, I was across the street 469 00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:51.599 because one of my horses had got out and it was spring, and I 470 00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:55.440 walked across the street with a lead rope to get JJ my horse, and 471 00:35:55.960 --> 00:36:01.760 hiss, Maine was all messed up. It wasn't like that that morning at 472 00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:07.760 my property. I'm like, okay, what's going on here? So I 473 00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:10.840 put the lead rope on him and I turned him around and I'm looking out 474 00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:15.800 the woods and I could feel something watching me. And I start talking, 475 00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:20.840 like whoever I'm talking to? And I said, my animals are off limits. 476 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:24.719 I told you all that my animals are off limits. My family is 477 00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:31.400 off limits. Day away from my animals. Please, who am I talking 478 00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:36.559 to I don't know. I'm Native American too, from Mexico Maya tribe. 479 00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:42.360 I think so I took dayDay back home. I just had a lot of 480 00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:46.679 small things like that happened. Then it was years later, like two thousand 481 00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:52.280 and nine, ten eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, just a ton 482 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:58.039 of things happened. I took reports from people. I worked with the police 483 00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:01.599 officers on some of their reports, and up there it's very normal. Yeah, 484 00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:07.400 people make jokes about it. In twenty eleven, I sold my horses 485 00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:12.400 because we weren't ridding them that much. This friend of mine, her name 486 00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:16.159 was Amelia. She would come over because our kids were in class together. 487 00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:21.239 So my husband was at work. He was active Guard Reserved, he was 488 00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:23.440 there all the time at the unit, and my friend would come over. 489 00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:27.719 We would hitch up the horses and we would go horseback. We would do 490 00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:30.639 a simple ride, a three hour ride, and we enjoined each other's company. 491 00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:34.760 And she was really good with horses. I'm not. Plus. I 492 00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:37.480 had a horse accident and I was afraid of JJ, my horse, because 493 00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:43.960 JJ got bigger. He got like almost I don't know, sixteen hands. 494 00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.519 I thought he was all going to be fifteen hands. I'm only five two. 495 00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:52.800 This one day me and Amelia, and she knew nothing at all about 496 00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:57.280 me. She knew nothing about me as far as sasquatch or nothing or what 497 00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:00.559 was happening. So one day we're on a ride and we're going down this 498 00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:06.119 kill. She was trying to help me get over my fear of trust the 499 00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:08.920 horse. So if we're going down this hill and all of a sudden, 500 00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:13.639 these pebbles are being thrown at us, and I'm like, stop it, 501 00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:19.119 because that has happened so many times in Oklahoma or in East Texas when we're 502 00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:22.559 writing, we would have pinecombs thrown at us, or pebbles or whatever. 503 00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:29.320 And Amelia goes, oh, it's just the sasquatch small ones. And I 504 00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:34.480 look at her and I go what She said, Yeah, the sasquatch are 505 00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:37.599 up at mine house. I'm like seriously, and I said, oh, 506 00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:42.840 okay, and I said I've got to tell you something. And then I 507 00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:45.039 told her, and she's serious that you're a researcher. I'm like, Ia, 508 00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:49.880 was I live here now, and this is what's happening. And so 509 00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:52.599 we ended up going back to the house and we were talking for two or 510 00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:59.119 three hours and what she told me blew my mind. She said that the 511 00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:02.920 house they purchased, which is on top of the mountain, like in wintertime, 512 00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:07.000 I will not go up that road to her place. I won't do 513 00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:12.440 it because it's windy and in wintertime with snow and the ice, I won't 514 00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:15.239 do it. So they have to bring their kids down to go to the 515 00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:19.800 bus stop. It's crazy if you can't handle the like I can't. So 516 00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:24.400 she said that the house that they purchased, it had these cameras on every 517 00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:30.960 corner of the house, and she asked the realtor what is that, why 518 00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:34.920 and why are those cameras up, and the realtor said, oh, those 519 00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:37.760 are going to come down. And then the realtor laughed and looked at my 520 00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:43.920 friend and said, apparently the guy who owns here says that sasquatch comes up 521 00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:47.840 to his property, and I don't know, he puts these cameras up for 522 00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:53.519 a reason. And these lights would come on whenever something would walk up and 523 00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:59.039 it could be a deer or whatever. Amelia's oh, hell yeah, she's 524 00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:01.920 not afraid. They bought the house, and sure enough all the equipment was 525 00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:07.320 gone, but right with our property hands and it starts going down the mountain. 526 00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:12.679 That's state land, but it's land a lot because what's connected to that 527 00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:17.079 is what we call paper land. Up there's private land where the public had 528 00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:22.360 access to it, but the public didn't really have access to this part. 529 00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:27.239 So I would go up there, but nothing ever really happened because I would 530 00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:30.280 try to get everybody be quiet. So that was a waste of time. 531 00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:36.960 But things just started adding up, and then I got more involved, and 532 00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:40.960 even though I said I wasn't going to and then my son graduated in twenty 533 00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:45.079 twelve, twenty thirteen, and so now I just have my younger son, 534 00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:51.440 Justin. Now Justin is a outdoorsman like his dad. He was always into 535 00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:55.400 four wheelers, dirt bikes. So Justin my older son, I forgot to 536 00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:59.599 tell you something that happened to him. I think it was two thousand and 537 00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:02.800 eight. It was April. It was his birthday. He wanted to have 538 00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:07.519 some friends over to camp in our back woods. And I'm like, sure, 539 00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:09.199 that's okay, but it's still it's like in the thirties. It's like 540 00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:13.159 really cold. But hey, if y'all want to do that's totally fine. 541 00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:16.920 So they came in the next day, This was like two thousand and seven 542 00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:22.199 because my in laws were up there visiting and he came in and he said, 543 00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:27.239 hey, who was walking around outside? And I'm like, nobody, 544 00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:30.840 None of the neighbors are going to come into my property. He'll get shot. 545 00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:35.199 Like up there, people don't play around. But I didn't have neighbors 546 00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:37.599 that would just come into the property. It's not like that. And I 547 00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:40.159 was like, it wasn't us, and so that kind of freaked him out 548 00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:45.039 a little bit. So that was two thousand and seven. So that's something 549 00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:50.000 that my older son that had happened to him. So moving ahead years later, 550 00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:52.400 like all this other stuff happened, I was hearing things from the woods. 551 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:57.760 I heard my name being called to when time, but not just like 552 00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:02.719 Cindy. It was like a whisper and it sounded just seepy. I'm not 553 00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:07.960 into that kind of stuff. I grew up in a capitolic household. You 554 00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:10.000 don't play with the beija board, you don't go looking for the spirits, 555 00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:15.400 do'tcho any stands. So that terrified me, Like why am I hearing these 556 00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:20.079 things? And then I'm going to skip ahead to twenty seventeen because that is 557 00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:24.800 really where a ton of things have happened. I started going to other places, 558 00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:30.039 like off the Columbia River. In two thousand and eight, a lot 559 00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:35.760 of us would go off the Columbia River off the Spokane Reservation because my best 560 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:40.400 friends dister is married to a tribal member. So I had access to all 561 00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:46.800 that as long as I respected the land, which I did along the way. 562 00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:53.679 How I started thinking how I started researching was a little different. But 563 00:42:54.119 --> 00:43:00.760 for years we have gone to the Columbia River on the Spokane Reservation and we've 564 00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:05.880 had things happen there. We've heard the howls. Everybody has. We've heard 565 00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:08.880 the howls. They would specifically say, you know, no researching while you're 566 00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:14.480 here, because we've had too many crazy things happen. And then the elders 567 00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:16.400 came down and they were getting mad, and I was like, I'm quit 568 00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:22.239 doing anything, like you're just coming into camp. Like one day we were 569 00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:27.440 sitting this was twenty nineteen. We were sitting around the campfire and they played 570 00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:31.280 a trick on me. I don't like clowns, and my friend got someone 571 00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:35.519 to dress up as a clown and it popped up from behind a tree and 572 00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:37.480 it was chasing it. Yeah, so they played a trick on me, 573 00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:42.440 and then I said, Okay, y'all are going to get it now. 574 00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:45.840 That next day we were in the same location. We had gone for a 575 00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:51.800 hype and cause it's all wood's there and then there's this mountain like this ledge 576 00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.760 and then there's the water. So that night we had gone to sleepwalk. 577 00:43:54.800 --> 00:44:00.000 Around eleven eleven thirty, we were in our tents, probably like twenty five 578 00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:02.880 people were there, and there was some spoken tribal members there. They were 579 00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:08.440 all laughing because I'm already adopted into the tribe now unofficially, like I can 580 00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:12.199 go there and talk to any of the elders that I want, or I 581 00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:15.480 can ask. So I was like, yew, there's they play like. 582 00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:17.840 I don't like clowns. I got I really mad. It was funny, 583 00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:22.239 but I got mad. So on Saturday night, this was in twenty nineteen, 584 00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:27.719 in July. I don't know exactly when I was in bed, but 585 00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:32.519 there were still some people around the campfire, and around eleven thirty I started 586 00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:37.760 hearing screaming and then I heard crying. I'm like, oh gosh. And 587 00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:42.000 then my friend, who is totally has witnessed a lot of things on my 588 00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:45.039 property. She started laughing. I got up, and then one of the 589 00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:49.639 gals ran to the tent and said, Cindy, are you in your tent? 590 00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:52.760 And I'm like, yes, Lisa, I'm in my tent. Who's 591 00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:57.400 crying? Because I knew what they were doing. They were just messing with 592 00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:00.159 them. One of the girls was pregnant. She was crying. So I 593 00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:05.000 got dressed and I went out there and I said, Okay, what happened? 594 00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:09.360 I said, calm down. Apparently something ran through the edge of luck 595 00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:16.199 where they were sitting where the light flickers off of the rock of this pastor's 596 00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:22.480 there and then some trees. Something ran through there and just baderwcas and it 597 00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:25.360 scared them all. And I said, they're just messing with you. You're 598 00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:30.199 fine. Don't be playing tricks on me no more. And so two of 599 00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:35.239 the Spokan tribal girls started laughing, and I said, I didn't do this, 600 00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:38.360 don't blame me, because they were like really mad, and they started 601 00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:45.119 speaking in their language and they were young. One of them said to Lisa, 602 00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:49.920 my friend's cousin, Yeah, like, respect the land, respect the 603 00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:53.039 people. And I'm like, that's just totally crazy. And then at that 604 00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:59.400 time we looked up and on the ridge, like eight of us saw a 605 00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:06.360 stass. You could clearly see it was a moonlight night. You could see 606 00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:09.119 like red orange eyes, but it wasn't like Gary or e. Well. 607 00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:14.320 I started laughing. I like looked up. I am like, that's freaking 608 00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:16.880 hilarious, and I said, oh, y'all are fying, calm down. 609 00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:22.079 And then it took on and then it left. Things like that have happened, 610 00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:25.400 and I understand that they were scared. So after that, they didn't 611 00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:30.320 want me to come back or I don't know, they thought, I don't 612 00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:32.239 know, they thought I was some witch or something I could bring the eyes 613 00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:36.840 I have no control over that. My friends was laughing. But then in 614 00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:40.000 twenty twenty we did go there again, I think one more time. But 615 00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:45.519 was it twenty twenty or twenty twenty one when COVID happened again, they closed 616 00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:51.039 all the reservation down, So we haven't been back to that area. I 617 00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:53.519 would like to go back there. So there's a couple of other areas other 618 00:46:53.559 --> 00:46:58.519 than where I live that I work with these plans. I haven't really been 619 00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:01.800 back to that area, so I can't say I'm connected to them anymore. 620 00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:08.679 But in two thousand and seventeen, I started recording because things had amped up, 621 00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:14.039 like daily, like something was happening, something was missing, or I 622 00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:17.000 would find a bike in the back of my woods, or a tool, 623 00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:22.679 a rig a shovel. I found horse feed way back there. Let's yeah, 624 00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:28.519 there's a story I always tell when I do podcasts. I forgot it 625 00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:32.559 was two thousand and five. My husband got a phone call. They were 626 00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:37.280 going to Iraq or Afghanistan wherever. I know what I signed it for. 627 00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:45.119 I know that it's a possibility that they could go overseas, so in two 628 00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:51.400 thousand and five, because they went in two thousand and six to Iraq, 629 00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:54.119 so it was two thousand and five. I think it was summertime. My 630 00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:59.159 husband got the phone call. It's official. My best friend called me because 631 00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:02.280 her husband was a sergeant who today is a brigade Cammount sergeant major, but 632 00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:07.519 at that time he was at the first sergeant. So my friend is like, 633 00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.119 hey, I thought she was calling me, and she's, hey, 634 00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:14.920 there's your husband home. Scott needs to talk to your husband. I'm like, 635 00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:19.320 why the feeling that you get and she's yeah, it's official, Cindy. 636 00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:22.679 So my husband walked in the room, and we had a landline at 637 00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:25.480 that time because our cell phones didn't work out there. It's the boondogs. 638 00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:30.519 So I gave my husband the phone and I was like, here, it's 639 00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:35.400 official. And I was trying not to cry, and sometimes when I tell 640 00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:37.239 the story, I cry, just because you have to know what it's like 641 00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:42.559 to be a military wife. You're second to the mission. Your family is 642 00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:45.880 second to the mission. And what my husband did that was his job to 643 00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:50.079 get the truths ready. So I gave him the phone. I closed the 644 00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:53.119 kitchen cabinet a little bit harder, and he looked at me, and I 645 00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:55.280 just turned to wagh and I said, I'm gonna go feed the worses, 646 00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:59.159 and he tried to hug me, and I was like, it's fine, 647 00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:04.079 just to Scott. So I closed the siding glass storm I stepped outside to 648 00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:07.360 walk to the barn, which wasn't really a barn that was built. It 649 00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:14.719 was a makeshift shelter that my husband and his friend made the last minute from 650 00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:19.880 pine trees that had fallen or that they cut down on our property. And 651 00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:27.400 they threw this ugly green army tent on top of it just to store the 652 00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:30.639 hay because we couldn't afford to build a barn. At that time, I 653 00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:34.239 had quit my job. We were poor, plus I had my house here 654 00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:37.679 in Texas. We were paying two mortgages, so we were really like having 655 00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:44.320 to be financially responsible. So that was their idea to make a barn. 656 00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:47.719 And it was ugliest thing that Hey, I didn't complain because it did the 657 00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:52.559 job. So I walked outside to go feed the horses and it was dark, 658 00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:59.760 and I watered them and then I saw this trail of horse beef stay 659 00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:07.280 tun for more sasquatch out to see right back after these messages, and it 660 00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:13.239 went behind the building where there's the tree line. Here's this that makeshift barn, 661 00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:15.320 and then there's the tree line and that's where our fence was at. 662 00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:20.159 So I had a backyard green grass, and then it went into the woods 663 00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:23.159 and it was pretty thick. I'm like, that's weird. And so for 664 00:50:23.199 --> 00:50:28.199 a minute there I had forgotten about the bad news. And I walked around 665 00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:32.320 the barn but it dark, and then I stopped and I just looked up 666 00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:37.400 at the sky. I just started crying, you know, I just got 667 00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:40.400 a little emotional. And I was sitting down with my back against the building 668 00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:45.440 and I was looking and all of a sudden, I heard this pooing sound 669 00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:52.280 like a wooll, But it wasn't like your typical that you hear out in 670 00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:57.760 the woods. It was more of a female based, lower based tone, 671 00:50:58.639 --> 00:51:00.880 like a wonder or. Of course I couldn't see, but I could hear 672 00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:06.039 it coming from that right side of my property. I jumped up and I 673 00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:09.639 ran back to where the light was, and I was looking in my kitchen 674 00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:14.519 and my husband was getting off the phone. And then I could hear a 675 00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:17.519 roar off the mountain, which was nothing, no big deal. I had 676 00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:22.159 heard it a million times already. But then I walked inside the house. 677 00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:27.199 I wanted to talk to my husband about okay, so now what, But 678 00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:31.840 to him, it's another day at work. And he turned on the news 679 00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:37.599 and I thought it's not a good time. And my neighbor called me and 680 00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:40.000 she's, hey, I was outside eating my animals. Were you outside? 681 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:45.360 And I said, yeah, I heard that roar and it was get your 682 00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:49.920 auts back here, get back here right now. So my neighbor thought that 683 00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:53.360 was really cool that my mind was back on I want to know what's going 684 00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:58.719 to happen now, because I didn't want to stay there. In my mind, 685 00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:02.039 that was not home. I was just living in a house, living 686 00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:07.280 on this property with the intent to sell it and come back to Texas. 687 00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:12.119 So that was that. And then they got their troops ready to go to 688 00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:16.920 Iraq that my husband didn't go because active Guard reserves. That's a little different. 689 00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:21.800 We got sent to West Virginia for a year, so where our house 690 00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:24.880 stayed empty from two thousand and six to two thousand and seven. Then we 691 00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:30.800 came back. Our neighbors just watched our house. So from two thousand and 692 00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:35.559 seven a lot of things happened. My oldest son graduated and moved out. 693 00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:39.360 I started casting again, but I wasn't good at it. That wasn't really 694 00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:44.440 important to me anyway. At that time, I started taking people's reports. 695 00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:51.159 I started going to Priest Lake, which is a super duper remote location. 696 00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:55.440 There's not a lot of private land around there. So I'm in the Pacific 697 00:52:55.760 --> 00:53:01.480 Northwest now and I just have millions of acres for me to go roam about. 698 00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:07.079 There's grizzly up there too where I live, especially at this area of 699 00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:09.639 at Peace Lake, so we always have to pack when we're out and about, 700 00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:15.039 not that I intend to unless I need to whatever is coming at me, 701 00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:20.440 I will defend myself. So in twenty seventeen, my oldest son is 702 00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:22.760 out of the house. Now I've had a lot of things happen. I've 703 00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:27.400 had some weird paranormal things happen, like carrying my name. Another time, 704 00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:31.360 my horse trailer, I kid you not, started shaking. I came out 705 00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:35.159 of my house. I don't know what year that was, it was before 706 00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:38.960 twenty seventeen. I was going to go to my neighbor's house through the woods, 707 00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:45.239 and my horse trailer had been backed up to this one part. We 708 00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:47.679 have a shock today that we didn't have a shop at that time. I 709 00:53:47.719 --> 00:53:52.119 started going over there and I have to pass the horse trailer, and it's 710 00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:57.199 a two horse trailer. It started shaking, and I thought maybe a deer 711 00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:00.760 had got in there or something. And I looked at there and there was 712 00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:06.320 nothing in there that scared me. And I remember I started praying, and 713 00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:10.119 then I walked over to my friend's house and she opened the tour and be 714 00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:14.280 goes, you look like you've seen a ghost, and I told her what 715 00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:17.800 happened, and then she came back with me over to my house. And 716 00:54:19.159 --> 00:54:22.880 she's a stupor duper religious person. And I was like, I don't know 717 00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:25.440 what's going on, but you know, I told her some of the other 718 00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:30.039 things that were going on, and she said, Sindy, we are living 719 00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:35.039 like this is Indian. There's a lot of stuff here that has not been 720 00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:38.480 dealt with. This land has gone sour. She had some things that happened 721 00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:45.480 on her property. Her house had been banged. She also had heard I 722 00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:47.800 don't know if her name was called, but she had some things happen also 723 00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:52.400 to her. There was no explanation for it, and so that was that. 724 00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:57.599 Then my younger son when he was twelve, he's twenty one now or 725 00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:01.519 he will be, so maybe seven years ago, he wanted to go camping. 726 00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:07.760 He went camping not too far from our house. I didn't want him 727 00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:10.639 to go camping, but my husband's dead, Yes he can go. Me 728 00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:16.000 and my husband would fight so much. My husband's military and he would say, 729 00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:21.159 Cindy, you're gonna make a whoosy. But he said another word. 730 00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:24.239 Out of these boys. I'm like, I don't care. He's gonna go. 731 00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:29.039 He's gonna go with his friends. We know where he's gonna be. 732 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:32.760 She was off by the Blanche of Lake, which is that's where I lived, 733 00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:37.920 Blanche of Idahome. So that next morning we got a phone call. 734 00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:42.039 And I don't remember how he called me because I don't think he had a 735 00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:46.239 cell phone. I think he came home. Something happened, But he came 736 00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:52.159 home, and he know that they had a cell phone at that time because 737 00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:54.800 he was out there with two other friends and they had taken the four wheeler. 738 00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:59.599 That was another thing. I thought he was young to be hauling all 739 00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:04.639 this gear to go camping. But I just shut up and let them go 740 00:56:04.719 --> 00:56:08.079 do their thing. I got no sleep that night. That next morning I 741 00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:15.280 found out that they heard heavy walking around. They heard some grunts. They 742 00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:20.800 became very terrified. Did they come home? They could have left everything there 743 00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:23.199 and hopped on the four wheelers and came back home. All they had to 744 00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:28.360 do was go down two logging roads, two or three logging roads. They 745 00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:32.360 didn't. They heard like this, something heavy being thrown into the shallow part 746 00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:37.599 of the water. They turned on the four wheeler lights until they died. 747 00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:43.000 So my husband had to go restart the four wheelers. And then when they 748 00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:45.760 came home, I found out what had happened, and I'm like, are 749 00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:50.800 you kidding me. So I went back over there and we found tracks along 750 00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:54.280 the lake, not exactly along the lake, but where it's still like marshy 751 00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:59.639 wet, because it's like wetlands or like in a flood zone. And I 752 00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:02.000 was thinking that was like, that was too much, that was too much 753 00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:07.440 for me. But I didn't say anything because if I did, my husband 754 00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:10.360 would have been like, they're fine, nothing happened, So I just kept 755 00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:15.679 my mouth shut. And then years later, my son, when he was 756 00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:21.039 fifteen, he was camping out alone up on Fujoo Mountain at this one area, 757 00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:23.679 and I think he had kept out alone before. I'm not sure, 758 00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:29.639 but he was out there with all of his stuff. And our kids know 759 00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:35.039 how to use guns weapons. They were taught at an early age to respect 760 00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:38.039 and my son did have a gun with him, a rifle. I don't 761 00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:40.840 know exactly what he had, but he was out there, he had his 762 00:57:40.880 --> 00:57:46.880 tent and he had started to go to sleep. Then he heard something very 763 00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:52.559 heavy walk up to his tent, but before it got to the tent, 764 00:57:53.400 --> 00:58:00.960 it let out this crazy squawky down and I said, well, so what 765 00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:06.159 did it sound like? Because he came home the next day again he didn't 766 00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:08.800 come home, but he was terrified. He told me he was terrified, 767 00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:13.280 and I said, so, what did it sound like? And he said, 768 00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:17.079 it's sounded like a pterodactyl. I'm like, a pterodactyl, Like I 769 00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:23.719 wasn't expecting that, And so we went online and I played as down did 770 00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:28.320 he say? It sounds just like that? So I don't know what that's 771 00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:31.679 about. But he's had other encounters, so he seems to be a magnet 772 00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:36.920 as well. They just come up to him. He's had other things happen. 773 00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:40.639 Now that's not necessarily sasquatch, but there's a lot of other crap out 774 00:58:40.679 --> 00:58:45.920 there where I live, and so I'm trying to piece all this together. 775 00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:51.159 There was a dog Man encounter with this person that gave me a report, 776 00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:53.920 and I'm like, wait a minute, what did you say? It looked 777 00:58:53.960 --> 00:59:00.280 like they described canine ears the hawks. I'm like, and I had just 778 00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:05.239 learned about dog Man and I'm like, that's crazy. Because I heard of 779 00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:08.239 vent down here in Texas in the Hill Country. Then I heard of the 780 00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:14.599 lbl And story and all that, and I was like, that's insane. 781 00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:20.599 So now I'm getting different types of report And in twenty seventeen. My house 782 00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:23.960 was slept. I wasn't even home. I used to work Monday and Friday 783 00:59:24.039 --> 00:59:30.079 night, so this one night. I would work from six to ten thirty 784 00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:36.199 or eleven on Monday nights, and then Friday I would come home like maybe 785 00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:40.599 midnight or twelve thirty. This was the Monday night I came home. So 786 00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:45.159 it's a school night. My stends in bed. My husband he retired in 787 00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:50.719 two thousand and seven, so he was a private investigator up in North in 788 00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:54.599 Washington. So he's already in bed and he goes, hey, Cindy, 789 00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:59.599 is that you. I'm like, yeah, he knows it's me. He's 790 00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:01.760 not going okay, and I just thought that was weird. And then my 791 01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:06.440 neighbors sent me a text, but I didn't read it. So I went 792 01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:12.519 to bed Tuesday morning. So this is May of twenty seventeen, and it's 793 01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:17.639 the Monday before Memorial Monday. That's how I remember. Tuesday morning, my 794 01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:23.480 husband is getting ready to go to work and he said something's spot the house. 795 01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:30.320 He didn't say hit, bump, slapped. Now I know better than 796 01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:34.320 to grill him because he's not gonna tell me. Two or three times, 797 01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:37.199 I let him tell me the story. I tried not to get it too 798 01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:42.159 excited. He said, I was in bed. I don't know. It 799 01:00:42.199 --> 01:00:46.199 was ten fifteen. Something slapped the house. And then I got the shotgun. 800 01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:51.559 We always have something loaded or whatever rifle it was. And he went 801 01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:57.840 with the dogs down the hallway, sliding glass door, looked outside. The 802 01:00:57.920 --> 01:01:02.119 dogs are fine, there's nothing, it's dark whatever. He goes back to 803 01:01:02.159 --> 01:01:06.519 bed. He's not too concerned. I'm like, something flapped the house. 804 01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:09.360 Yes, don't ask me. Fifty medications talking. Then I was like, 805 01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:21.280 I'm not. They say you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay. 806 01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:27.159 No, I don't want to be alone. We're all out it, 807 01:01:49.800 --> 01:02:01.480 Chip chip chid everything Joy for me, Joy, staying right, you come 808 01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:39.199 in right away, side steps still, stay sat side, stay still. 809 01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:15.920 Films also gas fils, fusty pass as as fast USTs ps