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So what I've done is I'm going to divide this up into at least
two episodes for you guys. This first one is about an hour. Cindy
has had a ton of experiences between her time in East Texas and moving to
Idaho. She starts off in this episode laying the groundwork and sort of painting
the picture for you. As far as her research, her experiences with the
TBRC in East Texas before her and her husband moved to Idaho where they start
having some really weird experiences with Bigfoot there. I'll let Cindy tell you all
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and enjoy the show. I hadn't want to welcome our guest to the show.
It is Cindy from Idaho. Welcome to the show, Cindy. Hey,
how are y'all doing? Good good, I'm glad to have you.
Let's get right into it. Let's talk about Bigfoot. What guy you interested
in the subject to begin with? For some weird reason, I saw the
Patti film when I was young. I think when it came out, I
don't know, I might have been seven or eight, I don't know.
I didn't do the mouth, but it just bothered me. Forgot about it,
and it had this impact on how I saw the outdoors, which is
crazy because even though I love in Idaho, I'm from Texas. Off the
beach, the hill country, and the Big Thicket. Those are areas that
I got into. But that's pretty much what got me into it. And
then move ahead years later, nineteen ninety eight, I just happened to go
online and I started doing some research and the next thing I knew, I
was at that time living in East Texas and I met up with a group
of people. I was horrified to find out that they were all over.
Texas is like one of the top areas that has reports. So I started
going out and I learned how to truck in the woods and how to sit
and listen to the environment and all the animals, and I had the pleasure
of going out with a lot of the top people about you hear about today
legends that were in this area at that time. And then that's pretty much
what got me started. And then eventually I moved to North Idaho and I've
been there twenty years, and that's a whole other story. I definitely want
to get into the Idaho experiences. But before we move into that, let's
talk about this group that you hooked up with there, the people that you
went out with, and you said it was basically a discovery for you that
they were giving you information that these things were all over the place. Some
people don't get that. That's why I started the show is to talk about
the Southeastern United States. I was born and raised in Georgia. I'm in
the Carolinas now, and I wanted to document as many of those types of
encounters in my area because a lot of people say they don't exist in my
area. Talk a little bit about the area there in East Texas, particularly
where you are, Describe the area as far as the layout of the land,
and then talk a little bit about the group that you got interested in
and involved with and what they shared with you about Sasquatch at the time.
Okay, let me see. So I'm from South Texas, like by the
Texas border, and then I moved to Dallas, and then when I met
my husband, we moved out east of Dallas, which is still considered East
Texas. And if you look on a map Lake Tawakane, that's pretty much
where I'm at in that area. We have a small ranch out here.
This whole area here, there's just tons of woods and there are some pine
trees. The big thicket is different areas of East Texas, like Boykin Springs
is one area. They have a ton of pines over there. I don't
know if they're ponder rosa pines. They're just a bunch of pine trees and
a lot of blues and swamps and stuff like that, things that you have
to really be cherful of snakes. So as far as the environment goes that
I humid, I guess that's the best way to describe that. So does
it answer your question? It definitely does. More so just that there are
trees in areas where these things could exist. Right Because I went to Texas
as a kid, I went to the Brian Texas area back in the yeah,
long time ago, and it's really flat out there. It's really open.
That's what people tend to think about when they think about Texas as just
this big, wide, open flat space. But I always want to have
people on the show, like I had Craig Woolheater on recently, and he's
from Texas and he's talking about East Texas and it's very much like what we
experience here in the Carolinas in a lot of ways. So I like to
paint that picture for people to understand that we're not talking about just a flat,
wide open deserty type of environment. There's water, like you said,
there's these swamps, a lot of cover there that could potentially hide one of
these creatures. Let's fast forward a little bit and get into the Idaho area
and those experiences that you had there. Once you get into Idaho, are
you actively going out and seeking these things out as far as researching or did
you to just go out there and have an experience. I'm gonna go back
to Texas for a and a part of your question prior was a group that
wasn't really a group. It was a group, but they were not called
the Bigfoot Outlaws at that time. They became the Bigfoot Outlaws later in life.
I don't know if you've heard of Kimbo Baker Bear. They called him
Bear, and then Tim Grant was Kumbo Baker. Tim Baker, I haven't
talked to him in years, but he taught me a lot. Bear taught
me a lot. He goes by Jim King on Facebook. Bear's like my
brother. So now, like in two thousand and six, two thousand and
seven, they are like one of the early pioneers being on air on YouTube
doing podcasts. They are some of the people. And then there's another guy
the TBRC. I know, Craig Woule Heater. It was Craig and Loup
and me. We were the only three with the Texas Bigfoot Research Center TBRC
at that time. I was with them very briefly before they became this expanded
group. Luke Gross was the founder of that team. He's not associated with
them today, but Luke Gross I owe so much to him. He knows
a lot. Anybody who's on Facebook, look up Luke Gross. I don't
know how acted he is or I don't know if he's with the team or
anything we talk here and there that you can find him and message him that
all these people played a part in teaching me how to track, pulling out
in the woods every sound that you can hear, because I was never like
an outdoorsman to like how I am now. Another part of the country that
I did not tell you about is southeast Oklahoma, Hono Bia, Oklahoma.
Have you heard of that area? Absolutely, so we would take out horses
up there. Plus I have family in that area in Tallaheena. I had
never been to that area, and in nineteen ninety seven. I married my
husband in ninety three, and then in nineteen ninety seven, I didn't even
start researching yet. Until nineteen ninety eight I started look dabbling into it.
But my husband said, hey, let's go to Talahina. I want you
to be and my family up there. Plus we wanted to check out an
area where we could take our horses because we're avid horse people. We would
ride all the time. Actually, this is where we lived here by late
Twakney on this homestead here and our horses would run out back. One of
the things I started noticing, and I also noticed this up in North Idaho,
was their manes and tails were messed up. And I know what a
witch is not looks like I know what a barbed wire. I know what
a tangle is. These things that were on my quart of horse peat and
the other Palomino that we had, these were different. They were like messed
up braids. It's not like it was braided, but there was a pattern
to it. There's a pattern to a lot of things that I've noticed,
specifically two horses. We had nine horses at one time. And in the
back of the property there there's fifteen acres and then there's woods a thousand acres
that goes to late Twaukane and the TBRC has been out that way and Luke
and Craig. I don't know if Craig was there, but Luke and me,
you were out there with a group of people and we found some structures
that you know, the typical things that you see out people showing. We
found different possible structures out in the woods. So I was just shocked.
Of course, at that time, I didn't know a lot of what I
know now. So something that happened in East Texas. If you look on
a map at Texas, you have the southern part a lawn, the Rio
Grande River. There's a ton of woods there and there's a lot of dog
men and crazy stuff down there. I've never been down there to research out.
And then you go up into the Valley and Houston Corpus and it's off
flat like farm land. Then you get into the Hill Country, which is
Austin. There's a ton of activity there. It's called the Hill Country for
a reason. Then you go into West Texas, which goes into some dry,
rocky mountains. I'm not familiar with that area. Then you have East
Texas, and then you have Southeast Oklahoma, the Kayamichi Mountains, those areas
where I went for years before I moved up north. One night, I
don't know how many people were there. There was this one area that we
went to called Boykin Springs. It's not a secret now. I've talked about
this on other podcasts. Baer has talked about what's happened to him. We
would go and spend thousands of hours out in different areas. We would conduct
experiments, and we would go back and we would do things over, try
something different. This one night, I think it's what we called dead end
Road. I didn't call it that some of the other people I've been out
with a dead end road. One night there was a lot of activity and
this is that Boykin Springs. Because I have helped other people get to this
location. Again, it's not a secret, and even though it's not a
secret anymore, anyone can go there and research and still possibly have encounters which
could be something you hear maybe. But this one night, we were all
in the woods. There was a lot of activity. Someone was looking through
the thermal and they saw a large something coming forward. I didn't stay it
with my own eyes, so I can't stay it with das squatch, but
I know that there was a lot of activity and apparently more than a cluble
were coming through the woods. The next thing I know, I was standing
in the woods off of the road. I heard someone saying something and then
Kelly Madden, Lee was part of the Bigfoot Outlaws. She was standing maybe
ten or twenty feet in front of me. All of a sudden, I
could not move. I was stunned. It was so obvious, and I
knew what it was, but it had never happened to be that bad.
I couldn't even move. I think my eyes were doing something like that,
and then I was looking at Kelly. I couldn't even talk. I was
straining, like wh knew how sleep paralyst is. I couldn't move, I
couldn't do anything. And then I just dropped to the ground like I was
released from whatever was holding me. That was the worst thing, the worst
time that something like that happened to me. In East Texas, Pombo would
explain to us about infrasound or frequency, whatever you want to call it,
different hearts levels and the strengths of how all of that works. Even though
he explained this to me it was science, I was like, yeah,
whatever. I didn't find it interesting. What I wanted to know was how
could I get so sick. I was sick for a day. I was
throwing up and my my eyes were all watery. Kelly, my friend,
had it worse than I did. I was nauseous and I blocked out a
lot from that night. I know other people have talked about that night on
other shows. That right there was a bad experience for me. I have
had a siding in soul for Springs, Texas. We were at this private
residence. It was nighttime. I don't know what year this was, maybe
ninety nine. Yeah, it was ninety nine. We were upstairs, I
think, at this barn. I'm not sure where exactly. I think it
was this lady's residence. But I had gone to the trunk of my car.
A lot wasn't going on. We weren't hearing a lot. I think
we heard like a sick fox or something that sounded like a wounded fox,
or I don't know. But I went to my vehicle and I opened up
the trunk to get a drink, and then someone said, fifty feet in
front of you. I guess they had a their thermal night vision. And
I had my hand on the trunk and I closed it, and I was
scared. We had been out there for hours, so my eyes I could
see like the shadows and all that. And I went back to the location
where we had been, which was back to the building, and I like,
get out of the last ten yards. I was trying to act like
normal. Then I think someone got a picture of it, like the night
vision, and you could see like the face and like the facial features.
It looked like something was browning or it was like showing its teeth. But
of course it was nighttime. That was a little concerning for me. And
then I've been on my hourse out in Tallahena and Hanobia. I've been chased
out on horseback. I have a million stories, like I could write a
book just the years I spent in that area. So to me, my
opinion of them was they were aggressive. I was pretty much done researching.
And then because my husband was active duty at the time, we were trying
to move to Montana because I was tired of driving to Dallas working and so
he got transferred not to Montana but to North Idaho in two thousand and three.
So my husband was looking for a house up there, and we had
sold some of my divorses. My children were eighteen months and eight my last
research trip, I was out in the woods. I think I was seven
months pregnant. I was up in Oklahoma at Red Rock, Oklahoma, and
obviously I couldn't do a lot. I look like a big whale, but
I was out there hanging out by the campfire and we had some activity there.
After we found out that we were moving to North Idaho, and my
husband went first. And because of what happened to me where I was stunned
like that, I was done, like I'm good. I had no more
desire to go out into the woods. The warhead started, and my husband's
job is bionuclear warfare, and also he's a mechanic, so I was pretty
much I wasn't researching that much anymore, even though we had activity around here
which was totally insane. We sold some horses. My husband went first to
North iidahota buyd a house. He said, he found this house. It
was in the woods. He sent me pictures. It was only the outside.
The inside wasn't completed yet, and it was in our budget, which
is the craziest thing because that house should have been priced sixty thousand more dollars
and nobody was buying. It was just on the market like two days and
at that time in North Idaho everything was going up up. I said,
absolutely not, there's no way. So there was nothing else available in our
budget. My husband said, we're gonna have to buy it, and I'm
like, fine, it's beautiful. It's on six acres. We'll have to
make it horse property, even though it's not like fields of grass or whatever.
So he purchased a property. It actually was not completed, so it
was on the market, which was really weird. Because all of this,
like that house should not have been listed until it was completed. It wasn't
completed, and so I'm like, why is it on the market, because
inside it was all just two by fours in how can you put it?
It was insane. So we put an offer in on the house and the
guy needed like another month to finish it. He finished that house so fast.
I'm just shocked because the day my husband signed on the dotted line,
the real estate agent said someone else wants to buy this house, and my
husband's I'm sorry, but I'm going to Texas to got my family. So
everything was just very strange. How it started out like nothing made sense that
I will never forget. So my husband came back down here and the military
moved all of our stuff and we hauled our horses straight across the country Utah,
Wyoming, Montana, straight across into Cortlane North to where I live today,
And I will never forget the feeling I got. I was ready to
get out of the truck because when you haul horses, you can only go
eight hours a day if you're being conscientious, and I was ready. I
was sticked from going over the Lolo Pass on the fourth of July pass because
it's like this, I've never done anything like that, and I'm driving my
vehicle. Finally, when we came into Portlaine, and then we went straight
on ninety five, we weren't home yet. As soon as we came on
to my road, which is like a logging road, I will never forget
looking at that house, and I remember I got this chill up my spine.
I didn't have time to go explore. I had to get the kids
out, we had to unload the horses, and I remember the whole time
I got down. This was in May of two thousand and four, so
this is a long time ago. I was seriously not creeped out, but
I knew my life was going to change. After we got somewhat settled in,
I walked the property and I started seeing the same patterns that I did
in Texas, the structures, the trees. There was so much in my
back woods and everything around me around my house is wooded except for the house
next to me. It's a red barn house. Then my husband drops a
bomb on me because my house it's a ranch house and I have a running
porch. I love porches and I love rocky chairs. I'm from the South.
I stepped out on that front porch so I was bloking, and then
I realized. I was like, oh my gosh, that's beautiful because there
was a mountain like right there, not like right there, but maybe close
enough. And my husband goes, oh, that's who Doo mountain. I'm
like, what is the name? What is the name of that mountain?
He says, who Doo? I'm Whodoo Woodoo and he starves laughing. I'm
like, that's not okay, Like now you're telling me and he says,
I aw, that don mean nothing, and I said, yeah. I
grew up in a very spiritual home. My great grandmother was from Mexico and
she was a healer and they called her Nachitah. I think she was Mayan
that she had that blue black hair, the high cheekbones. I remember her
very well up until I think I was like four years old. Then she
died. It's like I could feel her with me and I hadn't thought about
for in years, and I remember going, this is crazy. So I
walked the property. I found a lot of similarities of what I experienced in
Oklahoma and East Texas. Boyk In springs and some other areas. Then I
purposely waited. I did not go out on purpose to research. I was
sitting outside one night and then I heard my first howl and it's that sirens
down and it was coming off the mountain, and I remember I got so
excited and I ran in the house and I called my neighbor, who I
had told you a little bit. I've been a researcher. She stepped out
on her porch and you could hear them going off, and she goes,
that is crazy. Then my husband was like, that's definitely not a wolf.
You know, he's a hunter. He's been out in the woods forever.
They're hunting right now up into calb Texas. We got one hundred acres
out there, which is an hour and a half northeast. I think from
here, stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see right back. After these
messages, I was like, Okay, I'm in prime country now. So
the time after that, I started paying more attention. I found prints outside.
I would always watch my dogs and my horses for reactions. That helped
me quite a bit. I learned to spend a lot of time outside.
I would get coffee and I would go outside. I have this routine and
I would go to the back of my woods and I would just sit and
I would just listen. I learned every sound. I learned the moose,
the bobcat, the cougar, the wolf, the black bear, the coyote,
the badger, everything, the deer, the white tail, everything that
was out there. And then my husband was trying to tell me about the
moose because I hadn't seen a moos yet at this point. So the winter
of two thousand and four, it was snowing quite a bit, and I
remember thinking, oh, this is cool, my first snowstorm. And then
I saw this moves in the back and my son was two, my younger
son, and he was taking a nap. So I grabbed my coat and
I hopped out side off my porch in my backyard, and the snow came
up to my knees and I'm like, I didn't have the right shoes.
I had on boots, but I hadn't prepared myself. That didn't stop me.
I kept tracking, and then I saw my horse break through the fence.
They'd never seen a moose before, so now I had to go chase
my horse. And then after I brought him back, I saw some of
the structures in the very back of the woods that had been totally changed.
There was this one tree where I had spent a lot of time. This
is all the right backside of my property. For some reason, that just
pulled me to that part of my land. Some of the trees back there
were all just torn apart. And they were fine, they weren't diseased and
nothing. They were all torn apart. There was two or three that were
like pushed over. I'm like, what's the hat? So it had hit
the fence. Part of the fence, not the barbed wire, just bent
and I was like, okay, great. So I had to call my
husband to come home because I couldn't fix it. I had my son,
So my husband came home, and that moose was a bull moose and it
wouldn't lead. I'm like, are you kidding me? So it eventually laughed
and just weird stuff was happening, some paranormal stuff, which I was not
into at that time. I was hearing things from the woods. I found
Prince one day, I think it was summertime. I found some prints where
I watered and fed my horses, and I called my stun out and he
came outside and he saw the Prince. I think it was eight or nine
at the time. He saw them, and I said, John, do
you see this? And he's yeah, And so I covered it up with
one of the feed buckets. I didn't cast I had stopped doing that.
I wasn't trying to research that way anymore. This is my home. I'm
not trying to do any of that here. It was going to rain a
couple of days later, so I took the bucket off these two prints and
then it rained, and that was that as far as the prints go.
It Plus, it really wasn't castable because there was a ton of pine needles
everywhere and where I lived. That's a problem, always pine needles everywhere.
So whenever you find a track or something, you have to be careful of
cleaning it. So two thousand and four, two thousand and five, things
were happening. One day my husband had to go off to his the weekend
thing where the soldiers come in. My husband was active guard reserve over the
battalion out there in that part of Hayden Lake, Idaho. I was sitting
down and I saw I could see through the sliding glass store. It was
like six thirty eight m and my husband was gone, and I saw like
this thing run past so quick, like at the tree line, and I
knew it was on my horse because I ran to the kitchen door. It
was summertime, and I looked and my horses were fine. I'm like,
that wasn't a deer because it was standing up. I'm like, what the
heck was that? So small things like that were happening, that I was
hearing things, and I wanted to go ahead and tell them I was there,
even though I knew they knew I was there. But I wanted to
try something that we did in East Texas. I took my neighbor with me
and I went up part of Fuduo Mountain and I made I think it was
a distressed call. I don't make calls anymore. I just don't do that
anymore, but on this one night, I did. And twenty minutes later,
after not hearing anything, I was trying to tell my neighbor Susie,
to be wyatt. We could be out there for hours and not hear anything,
but she wasn't patient. So I said, Okay, this isn't gonna
work. I'm telling myself this, and I said, let's go to the
other side of the mountain and let's do the same thing. So I went
down these different logging roads and I went to the base of the other side
of Fuju Mountain off this logging road, and I made the same call,
or I try to. And within five minutes or so a short time,
you could hear them coming all the way from where we were just at.
And there was a whole family of them, like a whole plant, and
they were pumming. And then you could hear them get very close. I
had the old fashioned recorder, the one what you put in the cassette.
Hey, I'm a techy person. It's pretty bad, like I'm stupid when
it comes to knowledge. But that's pretty easy, right, you plug in
a microphone. We had done this in the East Texas and we got I
got this dang thing. We had this happen in East Texas. I wasn't
there, but the group of people that I hung out with, they were
with some other people and they did this experiment in East Texas. So here
I am when Susie, my neighbor, and seized, Oh, I'm like,
dang it. They were right on top of this, like I was
expecting them to come down off the ridge and well, of course, and
I was pulling in my recorder, threw it in my car. I had
a season and migo and my top was down and I panicked and I closed
the door and I started going down this road and it was like really windy.
I hit something on the thump. I thought, oh my gosh,
I think I hit a tweet stuff. I think I went on road.
I was just where I was like for a second years and she's are you
going home? Because this is two miles from my house. And I remember
one of the things I learned was they'll follow you home. And I was
like, no, I'm at Glay home. So I took this detour and
then I did end up home and I dropped her off. She was not
going to walk through the woods or walk down the road. She was five
acres over. I was so done. I dropped her off, and then
I walked in my home and my husband goes, what is wrong, And
of course I was excited, and I told him what happened. Now,
anyone who has heard my podcast, anyone who follows me knows my husband is
not into this. Topic he could care less. He had an encounter in
Southeast Oklahoma horseback writing with two other friends, so he's had an encounter.
He just doesn't care. He figgers that they're there, leave them alone.
You leave them alone, they'll leave you alone. So he's really sick of
this topic. Because I was gone all the time. I was got all
the time in Texas. I would be going with my group of researcher friends
and then i'd come back home. And because he was military and I worked
full time, it was just really crazy. So here I am with my
neighbor Susie. You could hear the alpha male go off. So that was
when we hopped in my vehicle, and wouldn't you know it, I had
to back up and I think I hit a tree. I know better,
Like anytime i'd go to a new location, I always back in so I
can leave. That's like the first thing I learned. But no, did
I do that. No, I'm trying to back up and I'm doing like
different directions and then I take off. But it got quiet, got quiet,
and my recording was all messed up. So I told my husband what
happened, and he's leave them alone. I'm like no, I want to
know. So that next morning, I woke up and I went to my
front porch because I would go outside with my coffee and I'm just like still
stune, like looking. I'm always looking for moose in my woods, or
I'm looking up at the mountain. There are these weird rocks on my front
porch. I know what that means. These were quartz rocks, and there's
no quartz in the immediate area. There could be because that used to be
a glacier area millions of years ago, but those were not there. Because
I sweep off my porch almost every other day, and I remember picking up
the quartz and taking them inside and I put them on the table. I
had a lot of things happen, small things. I would be out in
the woods and I would hear huffs, I would hear things breaking, and
it became a normal thing. I would hear the howls, the sirens sound
is what I call it, off of the mountain or in the woods.
And at that time, there wasn't as many people moving into the area as
there is now. Still is remote. But I had in front of me
the property across the street. This couple owned it from Washington, and I
forgot what tribe they were from, but it was from Washington area, and
she said, my kids could play over there. There was nobody here was
going to come and do anything. It was ten acres and then the property
to the left was empty. That's another five acres. It's just thickly wooded.
And many nights I would hear things from across the street. I would
hear heavy breathing from something big, and I would just sit there and I
would just hear and listen. This one day, I was across the street
because one of my horses had got out and it was spring, and I
walked across the street with a lead rope to get JJ my horse, and
hiss, Maine was all messed up. It wasn't like that that morning at
my property. I'm like, okay, what's going on here? So I
put the lead rope on him and I turned him around and I'm looking out
the woods and I could feel something watching me. And I start talking,
like whoever I'm talking to? And I said, my animals are off limits.
I told you all that my animals are off limits. My family is
off limits. Day away from my animals. Please, who am I talking
to I don't know. I'm Native American too, from Mexico Maya tribe.
I think so I took dayDay back home. I just had a lot of
small things like that happened. Then it was years later, like two thousand
and nine, ten eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, just a ton
of things happened. I took reports from people. I worked with the police
officers on some of their reports, and up there it's very normal. Yeah,
people make jokes about it. In twenty eleven, I sold my horses
because we weren't ridding them that much. This friend of mine, her name
was Amelia. She would come over because our kids were in class together.
So my husband was at work. He was active Guard Reserved, he was
there all the time at the unit, and my friend would come over.
We would hitch up the horses and we would go horseback. We would do
a simple ride, a three hour ride, and we enjoined each other's company.
And she was really good with horses. I'm not. Plus. I
had a horse accident and I was afraid of JJ, my horse, because
JJ got bigger. He got like almost I don't know, sixteen hands.
I thought he was all going to be fifteen hands. I'm only five two.
This one day me and Amelia, and she knew nothing at all about
me. She knew nothing about me as far as sasquatch or nothing or what
was happening. So one day we're on a ride and we're going down this
kill. She was trying to help me get over my fear of trust the
horse. So if we're going down this hill and all of a sudden,
these pebbles are being thrown at us, and I'm like, stop it,
because that has happened so many times in Oklahoma or in East Texas when we're
writing, we would have pinecombs thrown at us, or pebbles or whatever.
And Amelia goes, oh, it's just the sasquatch small ones. And I
look at her and I go what She said, Yeah, the sasquatch are
up at mine house. I'm like seriously, and I said, oh,
okay, and I said I've got to tell you something. And then I
told her, and she's serious that you're a researcher. I'm like, Ia,
was I live here now, and this is what's happening. And so
we ended up going back to the house and we were talking for two or
three hours and what she told me blew my mind. She said that the
house they purchased, which is on top of the mountain, like in wintertime,
I will not go up that road to her place. I won't do
it because it's windy and in wintertime with snow and the ice, I won't
do it. So they have to bring their kids down to go to the
bus stop. It's crazy if you can't handle the like I can't. So
she said that the house that they purchased, it had these cameras on every
corner of the house, and she asked the realtor what is that, why
and why are those cameras up, and the realtor said, oh, those
are going to come down. And then the realtor laughed and looked at my
friend and said, apparently the guy who owns here says that sasquatch comes up
to his property, and I don't know, he puts these cameras up for
a reason. And these lights would come on whenever something would walk up and
it could be a deer or whatever. Amelia's oh, hell yeah, she's
not afraid. They bought the house, and sure enough all the equipment was
gone, but right with our property hands and it starts going down the mountain.
That's state land, but it's land a lot because what's connected to that
is what we call paper land. Up there's private land where the public had
access to it, but the public didn't really have access to this part.
So I would go up there, but nothing ever really happened because I would
try to get everybody be quiet. So that was a waste of time.
But things just started adding up, and then I got more involved, and
even though I said I wasn't going to and then my son graduated in twenty
twelve, twenty thirteen, and so now I just have my younger son,
Justin. Now Justin is a outdoorsman like his dad. He was always into
four wheelers, dirt bikes. So Justin my older son, I forgot to
tell you something that happened to him. I think it was two thousand and
eight. It was April. It was his birthday. He wanted to have
some friends over to camp in our back woods. And I'm like, sure,
that's okay, but it's still it's like in the thirties. It's like
really cold. But hey, if y'all want to do that's totally fine.
So they came in the next day, This was like two thousand and seven
because my in laws were up there visiting and he came in and he said,
hey, who was walking around outside? And I'm like, nobody,
None of the neighbors are going to come into my property. He'll get shot.
Like up there, people don't play around. But I didn't have neighbors
that would just come into the property. It's not like that. And I
was like, it wasn't us, and so that kind of freaked him out
a little bit. So that was two thousand and seven. So that's something
that my older son that had happened to him. So moving ahead years later,
like all this other stuff happened, I was hearing things from the woods.
I heard my name being called to when time, but not just like
Cindy. It was like a whisper and it sounded just seepy. I'm not
into that kind of stuff. I grew up in a capitolic household. You
don't play with the beija board, you don't go looking for the spirits,
do'tcho any stands. So that terrified me, Like why am I hearing these
things? And then I'm going to skip ahead to twenty seventeen because that is
really where a ton of things have happened. I started going to other places,
like off the Columbia River. In two thousand and eight, a lot
of us would go off the Columbia River off the Spokane Reservation because my best
friends dister is married to a tribal member. So I had access to all
that as long as I respected the land, which I did along the way.
How I started thinking how I started researching was a little different. But
for years we have gone to the Columbia River on the Spokane Reservation and we've
had things happen there. We've heard the howls. Everybody has. We've heard
the howls. They would specifically say, you know, no researching while you're
here, because we've had too many crazy things happen. And then the elders
came down and they were getting mad, and I was like, I'm quit
doing anything, like you're just coming into camp. Like one day we were
sitting this was twenty nineteen. We were sitting around the campfire and they played
a trick on me. I don't like clowns, and my friend got someone
to dress up as a clown and it popped up from behind a tree and
it was chasing it. Yeah, so they played a trick on me,
and then I said, Okay, y'all are going to get it now.
That next day we were in the same location. We had gone for a
hype and cause it's all wood's there and then there's this mountain like this ledge
and then there's the water. So that night we had gone to sleepwalk.
Around eleven eleven thirty, we were in our tents, probably like twenty five
people were there, and there was some spoken tribal members there. They were
all laughing because I'm already adopted into the tribe now unofficially, like I can
go there and talk to any of the elders that I want, or I
can ask. So I was like, yew, there's they play like.
I don't like clowns. I got I really mad. It was funny,
but I got mad. So on Saturday night, this was in twenty nineteen,
in July. I don't know exactly when I was in bed, but
there were still some people around the campfire, and around eleven thirty I started
hearing screaming and then I heard crying. I'm like, oh gosh. And
then my friend, who is totally has witnessed a lot of things on my
property. She started laughing. I got up, and then one of the
gals ran to the tent and said, Cindy, are you in your tent?
And I'm like, yes, Lisa, I'm in my tent. Who's
crying? Because I knew what they were doing. They were just messing with
them. One of the girls was pregnant. She was crying. So I
got dressed and I went out there and I said, Okay, what happened?
I said, calm down. Apparently something ran through the edge of luck
where they were sitting where the light flickers off of the rock of this pastor's
there and then some trees. Something ran through there and just baderwcas and it
scared them all. And I said, they're just messing with you. You're
fine. Don't be playing tricks on me no more. And so two of
the Spokan tribal girls started laughing, and I said, I didn't do this,
don't blame me, because they were like really mad, and they started
speaking in their language and they were young. One of them said to Lisa,
my friend's cousin, Yeah, like, respect the land, respect the
people. And I'm like, that's just totally crazy. And then at that
time we looked up and on the ridge, like eight of us saw a
stass. You could clearly see it was a moonlight night. You could see
like red orange eyes, but it wasn't like Gary or e. Well.
I started laughing. I like looked up. I am like, that's freaking
hilarious, and I said, oh, y'all are fying, calm down.
And then it took on and then it left. Things like that have happened,
and I understand that they were scared. So after that, they didn't
want me to come back or I don't know, they thought, I don't
know, they thought I was some witch or something I could bring the eyes
I have no control over that. My friends was laughing. But then in
twenty twenty we did go there again, I think one more time. But
was it twenty twenty or twenty twenty one when COVID happened again, they closed
all the reservation down, So we haven't been back to that area. I
would like to go back there. So there's a couple of other areas other
than where I live that I work with these plans. I haven't really been
back to that area, so I can't say I'm connected to them anymore.
But in two thousand and seventeen, I started recording because things had amped up,
like daily, like something was happening, something was missing, or I
would find a bike in the back of my woods, or a tool,
a rig a shovel. I found horse feed way back there. Let's yeah,
there's a story I always tell when I do podcasts. I forgot it
was two thousand and five. My husband got a phone call. They were
going to Iraq or Afghanistan wherever. I know what I signed it for.
I know that it's a possibility that they could go overseas, so in two
thousand and five, because they went in two thousand and six to Iraq,
so it was two thousand and five. I think it was summertime. My
husband got the phone call. It's official. My best friend called me because
her husband was a sergeant who today is a brigade Cammount sergeant major, but
at that time he was at the first sergeant. So my friend is like,
hey, I thought she was calling me, and she's, hey,
there's your husband home. Scott needs to talk to your husband. I'm like,
why the feeling that you get and she's yeah, it's official, Cindy.
So my husband walked in the room, and we had a landline at
that time because our cell phones didn't work out there. It's the boondogs.
So I gave my husband the phone and I was like, here, it's
official. And I was trying not to cry, and sometimes when I tell
the story, I cry, just because you have to know what it's like
to be a military wife. You're second to the mission. Your family is
second to the mission. And what my husband did that was his job to
get the truths ready. So I gave him the phone. I closed the
kitchen cabinet a little bit harder, and he looked at me, and I
just turned to wagh and I said, I'm gonna go feed the worses,
and he tried to hug me, and I was like, it's fine,
just to Scott. So I closed the siding glass storm I stepped outside to
walk to the barn, which wasn't really a barn that was built. It
was a makeshift shelter that my husband and his friend made the last minute from
pine trees that had fallen or that they cut down on our property. And
they threw this ugly green army tent on top of it just to store the
hay because we couldn't afford to build a barn. At that time, I
had quit my job. We were poor, plus I had my house here
in Texas. We were paying two mortgages, so we were really like having
to be financially responsible. So that was their idea to make a barn.
And it was ugliest thing that Hey, I didn't complain because it did the
job. So I walked outside to go feed the horses and it was dark,
and I watered them and then I saw this trail of horse beef stay
tun for more sasquatch out to see right back after these messages, and it
went behind the building where there's the tree line. Here's this that makeshift barn,
and then there's the tree line and that's where our fence was at.
So I had a backyard green grass, and then it went into the woods
and it was pretty thick. I'm like, that's weird. And so for
a minute there I had forgotten about the bad news. And I walked around
the barn but it dark, and then I stopped and I just looked up
at the sky. I just started crying, you know, I just got
a little emotional. And I was sitting down with my back against the building
and I was looking and all of a sudden, I heard this pooing sound
like a wooll, But it wasn't like your typical that you hear out in
the woods. It was more of a female based, lower based tone,
like a wonder or. Of course I couldn't see, but I could hear
it coming from that right side of my property. I jumped up and I
ran back to where the light was, and I was looking in my kitchen
and my husband was getting off the phone. And then I could hear a
roar off the mountain, which was nothing, no big deal. I had
heard it a million times already. But then I walked inside the house.
I wanted to talk to my husband about okay, so now what, But
to him, it's another day at work. And he turned on the news
and I thought it's not a good time. And my neighbor called me and
she's, hey, I was outside eating my animals. Were you outside?
And I said, yeah, I heard that roar and it was get your
auts back here, get back here right now. So my neighbor thought that
was really cool that my mind was back on I want to know what's going
to happen now, because I didn't want to stay there. In my mind,
that was not home. I was just living in a house, living
on this property with the intent to sell it and come back to Texas.
So that was that. And then they got their troops ready to go to
Iraq that my husband didn't go because active Guard reserves. That's a little different.
We got sent to West Virginia for a year, so where our house
stayed empty from two thousand and six to two thousand and seven. Then we
came back. Our neighbors just watched our house. So from two thousand and
seven a lot of things happened. My oldest son graduated and moved out.
I started casting again, but I wasn't good at it. That wasn't really
important to me anyway. At that time, I started taking people's reports.
I started going to Priest Lake, which is a super duper remote location.
There's not a lot of private land around there. So I'm in the Pacific
Northwest now and I just have millions of acres for me to go roam about.
There's grizzly up there too where I live, especially at this area of
at Peace Lake, so we always have to pack when we're out and about,
not that I intend to unless I need to whatever is coming at me,
I will defend myself. So in twenty seventeen, my oldest son is
out of the house. Now I've had a lot of things happen. I've
had some weird paranormal things happen, like carrying my name. Another time,
my horse trailer, I kid you not, started shaking. I came out
of my house. I don't know what year that was, it was before
twenty seventeen. I was going to go to my neighbor's house through the woods,
and my horse trailer had been backed up to this one part. We
have a shock today that we didn't have a shop at that time. I
started going over there and I have to pass the horse trailer, and it's
a two horse trailer. It started shaking, and I thought maybe a deer
had got in there or something. And I looked at there and there was
nothing in there that scared me. And I remember I started praying, and
then I walked over to my friend's house and she opened the tour and be
goes, you look like you've seen a ghost, and I told her what
happened, and then she came back with me over to my house. And
she's a stupor duper religious person. And I was like, I don't know
what's going on, but you know, I told her some of the other
things that were going on, and she said, Sindy, we are living
like this is Indian. There's a lot of stuff here that has not been
dealt with. This land has gone sour. She had some things that happened
on her property. Her house had been banged. She also had heard I
don't know if her name was called, but she had some things happen also
to her. There was no explanation for it, and so that was that.
Then my younger son when he was twelve, he's twenty one now or
he will be, so maybe seven years ago, he wanted to go camping.
He went camping not too far from our house. I didn't want him
to go camping, but my husband's dead, Yes he can go. Me
and my husband would fight so much. My husband's military and he would say,
Cindy, you're gonna make a whoosy. But he said another word.
Out of these boys. I'm like, I don't care. He's gonna go.
He's gonna go with his friends. We know where he's gonna be.
She was off by the Blanche of Lake, which is that's where I lived,
Blanche of Idahome. So that next morning we got a phone call.
And I don't remember how he called me because I don't think he had a
cell phone. I think he came home. Something happened, But he came
home, and he know that they had a cell phone at that time because
he was out there with two other friends and they had taken the four wheeler.
That was another thing. I thought he was young to be hauling all
this gear to go camping. But I just shut up and let them go
do their thing. I got no sleep that night. That next morning I
found out that they heard heavy walking around. They heard some grunts. They
became very terrified. Did they come home? They could have left everything there
and hopped on the four wheelers and came back home. All they had to
do was go down two logging roads, two or three logging roads. They
didn't. They heard like this, something heavy being thrown into the shallow part
of the water. They turned on the four wheeler lights until they died.
So my husband had to go restart the four wheelers. And then when they
came home, I found out what had happened, and I'm like, are
you kidding me. So I went back over there and we found tracks along
the lake, not exactly along the lake, but where it's still like marshy
wet, because it's like wetlands or like in a flood zone. And I
was thinking that was like, that was too much, that was too much
for me. But I didn't say anything because if I did, my husband
would have been like, they're fine, nothing happened, So I just kept
my mouth shut. And then years later, my son, when he was
fifteen, he was camping out alone up on Fujoo Mountain at this one area,
and I think he had kept out alone before. I'm not sure,
but he was out there with all of his stuff. And our kids know
how to use guns weapons. They were taught at an early age to respect
and my son did have a gun with him, a rifle. I don't
know exactly what he had, but he was out there, he had his
tent and he had started to go to sleep. Then he heard something very
heavy walk up to his tent, but before it got to the tent,
it let out this crazy squawky down and I said, well, so what
did it sound like? Because he came home the next day again he didn't
come home, but he was terrified. He told me he was terrified,
and I said, so, what did it sound like? And he said,
it's sounded like a pterodactyl. I'm like, a pterodactyl, Like I
wasn't expecting that, And so we went online and I played as down did
he say? It sounds just like that? So I don't know what that's
about. But he's had other encounters, so he seems to be a magnet
as well. They just come up to him. He's had other things happen.
Now that's not necessarily sasquatch, but there's a lot of other crap out
there where I live, and so I'm trying to piece all this together.
There was a dog Man encounter with this person that gave me a report,
and I'm like, wait a minute, what did you say? It looked
like they described canine ears the hawks. I'm like, and I had just
learned about dog Man and I'm like, that's crazy. Because I heard of
vent down here in Texas in the Hill Country. Then I heard of the
lbl And story and all that, and I was like, that's insane.
So now I'm getting different types of report And in twenty seventeen. My house
was slept. I wasn't even home. I used to work Monday and Friday
night, so this one night. I would work from six to ten thirty
or eleven on Monday nights, and then Friday I would come home like maybe
midnight or twelve thirty. This was the Monday night I came home. So
it's a school night. My stends in bed. My husband he retired in
two thousand and seven, so he was a private investigator up in North in
Washington. So he's already in bed and he goes, hey, Cindy,
is that you. I'm like, yeah, he knows it's me. He's
not going okay, and I just thought that was weird. And then my
neighbors sent me a text, but I didn't read it. So I went
to bed Tuesday morning. So this is May of twenty seventeen, and it's
the Monday before Memorial Monday. That's how I remember. Tuesday morning, my
husband is getting ready to go to work and he said something's spot the house.
He didn't say hit, bump, slapped. Now I know better than
to grill him because he's not gonna tell me. Two or three times,
I let him tell me the story. I tried not to get it too
excited. He said, I was in bed. I don't know. It
was ten fifteen. Something slapped the house. And then I got the shotgun.
We always have something loaded or whatever rifle it was. And he went
with the dogs down the hallway, sliding glass door, looked outside. The
dogs are fine, there's nothing, it's dark whatever. He goes back to
bed. He's not too concerned. I'm like, something flapped the house.
Yes, don't ask me. Fifty medications talking. Then I was like,
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