WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.199 --> 00:00:05.960 This is raw audio that has not been edited in any way. While we 2 00:00:06.080 --> 00:00:10.640 remain true to our no notoriety pledge, the shooter's name may be mentioned in 3 00:00:10.679 --> 00:00:15.320 this raw audio. We wanted to ensure that we brought this audio to you 4 00:00:15.439 --> 00:00:28.519 in its truest form. Thank you for listening. Eleck, Hello, Hill, 5 00:00:29.039 --> 00:00:31.719 I mean good. How are you good? Good? You drink water? 6 00:00:32.119 --> 00:00:37.759 Sure? Thanks so much? How are you feeling? Im good? 7 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:43.000 You're feeling okay? My name's Rob Thomas. How are you? How are 8 00:00:43.039 --> 00:00:46.799 you doing? Okay? Tell you yeah, you probably had better days than 9 00:00:46.799 --> 00:00:49.759 this, I guess. Hey. Yeah, well I am a little shaken 10 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:55.000 to tell about usual day obviously. Yeah, yeah, I appreciate that. 11 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:59.640 Yeah yeah, Alick, do you mind if I call you Elick? Yeah? 12 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:03.159 Sure? What are your friends robably calling out? Alec? My name 13 00:01:03.239 --> 00:01:06.640 is Rob Thomas, though, I want you to call me Rob from here 14 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:10.680 on you okay? Okay? Is that okay? Oh? Okay? Alec. 15 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:14.920 I want you to understand something. I'm a senior detective with the Toronto 16 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:19.959 Police. You understand what that means? Yes you don't. I'm a police 17 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:23.840 officer, yes, okay. I don't wear a uniform. I wear a 18 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:26.480 suit and tie. Because the type of workout that I do. But although 19 00:01:26.519 --> 00:01:30.560 I'm in a suit and tie, I'm an actual police officer, Okay, 20 00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:37.599 and I'm the one of the senior investigators on this case. Okay. I 21 00:01:37.640 --> 00:01:41.400 got called in for this, this this specific case because of what's happened in 22 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:45.480 the involvement and everything else that's been going on. Okay, Before we get 23 00:01:45.560 --> 00:01:48.799 started, I want you to know that we're being videotaped and audio taped. 24 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:51.760 Okay, Okay, do you know what I mean by that? Yes, 25 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:57.400 everything I see and do is being captured exactly on audio and video. Okay. 26 00:01:57.079 --> 00:02:02.560 Now here's what I want to do, Alec. I want to talk 27 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:07.439 to you. Okay, We're going to spend a good deal of time. 28 00:02:07.479 --> 00:02:15.919 You got to it's important that I talked to you, all Right. I've 29 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:21.479 done a little bit of reading and I know a little bit about the involuntary 30 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:27.840 h C celebacy. Right, So, being celibate, involuntarily celibate, what 31 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:36.080 does that mean? That means an celebacy means that someone who never perform has 32 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:43.240 a sexual intercourse. Involuntary celebrity means this wasn't your choice. I essentially are 33 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:47.639 have been thrown into true forced loneliness and you are unable to lose your virginity. 34 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:54.360 This is especially painful for young males, right right, right, that 35 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:58.879 makes sense. When did you first sorry you mentioned this and I forgot, 36 00:02:58.879 --> 00:03:02.039 when did you first go on to fort twenty fourteen, twenty fourteen? And 37 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:08.240 specifically when in twenty fourteen May twenty fourteen? And how are you able to 38 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:13.919 remember that? Because I remember that was a very significant day. Okay, 39 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:19.039 what would they? What was that? That was when Elliott Roger decided to 40 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:23.360 essentially commit an uprising, a beta uprising, if you will, against the 41 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:28.080 Chads and the Stacey's. It was a beta uprising, a beta uprising. 42 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:31.960 Although he didn't call it a Beata uprising at the time, someone else who 43 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:37.840 was inspired by him, by the name of Chris Harper called it a Beata 44 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:43.599 uprising sometime in actually I believe it was October one, twenty fifteen. It 45 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:51.879 was Elliott Rodger who was the father, basically, the founding forefather the entire 46 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:53.599 movement, right right, So explain to me this movement. What's this movement 47 00:03:53.599 --> 00:04:00.240 about. It's basically it's basically a movement of angry in cells, which is 48 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:04.599 myself, who are unable to get laid. Therefore, we want to overthrow 49 00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:12.120 the chads, which would force the Stacey's to be forced to reproduce some of 50 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:15.959 the in cells right right, Okay? When you say in cells involuntary celibate, 51 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:21.560 selibate, so that's just a short form for for for for fellas who 52 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:28.480 can't laid, can't can't have sex, right okay? And what happened in 53 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:36.040 the Elliott Rogers uprising? What did he do? I know he uh used 54 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:44.319 a gun as well as a vehicle to convert the life status of certain individuals 55 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:51.160 to death status, right or only to carry the message that in cells can't 56 00:04:51.199 --> 00:05:01.639 be oppressed. And and then what about Chris what did he do? He 57 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:06.480 used a gun for all of his murders. And were these fellows active unfortune? 58 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:11.720 Yes they were. Have you ever communicated with these fellows into I actually 59 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:15.079 have as a matter of fact, who did you communicate with both of them? 60 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:20.879 Actually? Really we discussed our frustrations at society and being unable to get 61 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:30.879 laid, and we were plotting a certain timed strikes on society in order to 62 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:36.720 confuse and shape the foundations, just to put all the normies in a state 63 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:43.079 of panic. And who would be a normy. Normy means normal people. 64 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:48.639 That would be anyone who is considered to be normal by the unfair standards of 65 00:05:48.680 --> 00:05:55.759 society. But not the Chads or Stacies. Chads and Stacies are actually above 66 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:59.040 normies, or at least they think they're above mercy. Yes, okay, 67 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:01.000 all right, So fair to say, you've got Chads and Stacy's up here, 68 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:05.560 normies down here, and then you've got celebs who believe that they are 69 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:13.120 beings in celts sorry, yes, in cells who believe they're being uh suppressed 70 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:15.800 or repressed, and and so as a result to even the playing field, 71 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:23.560 yes, the you know, they they they convert the Stacey's and Chads from 72 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:27.319 living to dead and to make that we come out on us on top. 73 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:31.040 Yeah, more than so? Is there? So the targets who are the 74 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:38.000 targets for the this uprising be all of the alpha males, all the alpha 75 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:42.360 males, so the Chads, Yes, so that's those are the people that 76 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:45.240 that you want to kill? Yes, okay, all right? And who 77 00:06:45.319 --> 00:06:50.360 else any uh any of the Staceys who do not wish to give their love 78 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:55.519 and affection to the insults, So they they're a target as well. Yes 79 00:06:55.639 --> 00:06:59.680 to be killed, yes, okay, And what about the Normies? Normis, 80 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:03.959 yes, we do, we do. We don't necessarily wish to uh 81 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:09.519 kill of the Normanies, but we do wish to subjugate them in order to 82 00:07:09.560 --> 00:07:15.560 make them understand that the that our type is the more superior one, right, 83 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:16.439 right, So when do you say subjugate, what do you mean by 84 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:20.839 them? Mean meaning either imprison them or put them in a lower position in 85 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:29.800 society, Okay, so that they acknowledge the in cels or the Pepi the 86 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:34.759 frog types as the more superior ones. Okay, So he's just saying things 87 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:40.560 that I'm not familiar with. But he's he's a he's a mask on on 88 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:44.959 four chat and we uh he's a mask on yes, mask on fortune. 89 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:47.040 Yes, that was I was using a metaphor. Okay, okay, yeah, 90 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:51.399 so he's actually a worship quite frequently. Oh okay, okay, all 91 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:58.279 right, So going back to the conversation with with Chris and and uh Elliott 92 00:07:58.720 --> 00:08:01.319 did you have who did you have conversation with? First? Let me ask 93 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:07.480 you that Elliott Elliott? So how did you learn of Elliott? Because on 94 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:13.639 the we have private message each other on a Reddit after I saw one of 95 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:20.360 his posts, and we just talked about each other and got to know each 96 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:24.639 other, and we found each other very interesting. We both had the same 97 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:30.680 frustrations at society despite being separated by distance so far apart, right, right, 98 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:33.360 right? Did you ever visit him? I know, but I wish 99 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:37.360 I could have. Yeah. Did he ever come up busy you? No, 100 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:39.679 but I wish he did. Yeah. Yeah, When specifically did your 101 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:45.600 first contact or have contact with Elliott? January of twenty fourteen, twenty fourteen? 102 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:50.600 And when did you stop having a communication with him as soon as he 103 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:56.000 was deceased? Okay, so his act I know took place in twenty fourteen, 104 00:08:56.039 --> 00:08:58.039 but I wasn't aware of the exact day. What day was it? 105 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:01.080 May twenty three, twenty fourteen, May twenty third, Yeah, you said 106 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:07.000 that. So when did you last speak to him? Me? Twenty May 107 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:11.399 twentieth, And so what did he tell you? He told me that he 108 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:16.000 has to go. He must, He is on a very important mission and 109 00:09:18.679 --> 00:09:22.320 he might not make it back alive. And so what did you say to 110 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:26.519 him? I kind of had an idea in my head of what he was 111 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:31.080 planning, but I didn't want to think it was true at the time. 112 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:35.159 So I said, So I replied and said, I wish you good luck 113 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:39.759 with that, right, okay? Okay? And yes, and when did 114 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:45.320 you learn that what he had done? I saw it on the news later 115 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:48.399 that night, later on the twenty third, Yes, okay. And what 116 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:54.759 did you think? I thought that I came to the understanding that this is 117 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:58.759 the mission that he had to carry out, okay, all right? And 118 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:03.960 anything else. I felt kind of proud of him for, uh, his 119 00:10:03.159 --> 00:10:07.879 acts of bravery. Okay, all right? And what about uh, how 120 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:13.039 you started to to to change your thinking? What was was any there was? 121 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:15.159 It was? It was any of that going on. I was starting 122 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:18.919 to feel radicalized at that time. You're worry okay, And what do you 123 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:22.200 say radicalized? What do you mean by that? Meaning? I felt it 124 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:26.360 was time to take action and not just sit on the sidelines and to just 125 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:31.960 fester in my own sadness, right, okay, all right? So what 126 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:39.200 takes place next as part of this this this growing radicalization? To be honest, 127 00:10:39.759 --> 00:10:45.440 Uh, the planning didn't occur until about a month ago. Most of 128 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:50.320 it was actually just thinking okay and day dreaming. Okay, alright. So 129 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:56.480 the thinking and daydreaming, when did that start? That started about a month 130 00:10:56.639 --> 00:11:01.799 after the rebellion in May of twenty fourteen. Okay, So I mean so 131 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:07.200 in June I started thinking about this stuff, and then that continued right up 132 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:13.440 till about a month ago, yes, which is when I booked the van 133 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:18.080 with the rider in order to use as a tool for rebellion. Okay, 134 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:22.759 all right, So take me through that process. What was going through your 135 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:24.759 mind? And how was you know, what were you thinking when you were 136 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:28.000 doing all of this? What was going on? I was thinking that it 137 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:31.960 was a time that I stood up to the chats and Stacey's okay. And 138 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:35.879 then and then so what happened? So this tell me what takes place? 139 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:41.559 So I booked the van, Yeah, and then I just simply wait until 140 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:48.399 today and then I go rent the van and then I drive it, take 141 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:54.600 it downtown to Toronto, Okay, and I just start using it as a 142 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:58.120 weapon. Okay, all right. And and so when you say that, 143 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:05.519 what do you mean by that? Meaning the vehicle collided with several pedestrians, 144 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:11.240 some of who are no longer alive as a result, right, okay, 145 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:31.279 Okay, take me back to a month ago. You said, this is 146 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:35.639 when this whole planning started. Yes, Okay, so about a month ago, 147 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:39.840 where were you at that point? I was at Seneca College and I 148 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:45.679 decided to phone Rider and book either a truck or a van with them, 149 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:52.440 and they had a ten foot van available, So I figured that this is 150 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:58.480 perfect I can not It's big enough to have an effect, but not too 151 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:05.000 big that I can't maneuver with it. So the van was the perfect medium 152 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:09.200 size to use as my weapon. Okay, so when do you leave Rider? 153 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:11.759 I wasn't looking at the time when I left, but I know I 154 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:18.279 received the van before one pm, although the booking was actually scheduled for one 155 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:22.639 Okay, all right, And how long does it take you to get from 156 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:28.840 Rider to Youngstreet, to Young to the beginning of Young beginning to the beginning 157 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:31.320 of the attack, oh, to the near Young in Fitch. I would 158 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:35.919 estimate about twenty to thirty minutes. Twenty to thirty minutes. Now, what 159 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:41.399 are you thinking while you're in the van? I'm thinking that this is it, 160 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:45.879 this is the day of our attribution. Okay, and anything else in 161 00:13:45.919 --> 00:13:50.039 your mind just that that's that, That's the only thing that's my mind. 162 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:52.559 It's just burning in my mind, burning in your mind. Yeah, Okay, 163 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:56.919 And so let me ask you this, because this is really interesting. 164 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:03.159 Why do you choose Younger Finch? I didn't choose young in Finch particular. 165 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:07.919 I was driving down young because I knew it would be a busy area, 166 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:13.039 and then as soon as I saw there were pedestrians, I just decided to 167 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:18.000 go for it. Okay. And so where specifically were you in terms of 168 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:24.039 your specific location? Where were you when you just decided to go for it? 169 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:33.399 I was at some traffic lights, okay? Where? But actually I 170 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:37.480 don't remember the only reason, in fact, if if I hadn't, I 171 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:43.879 remember some other I had heard some other officer or mentioned young in Finch before. 172 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:46.840 That's the only reason I really remember it, okay, But otherwise I 173 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:50.159 actually wouldn't have remembered its. Yeah, I were young in Finch. I 174 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:54.159 just knew that I started seeing a lot of people walking. Okay, it 175 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:58.840 might it might to stand. Am I correct when I when I say that 176 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:01.399 you knew at least you were on Youngster, Yes, and you knew that 177 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:05.159 you were specifically chose the beforehand, Because that's that's why. Because I even 178 00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:09.679 looked for that ram from Highway seven to young right, Okay? Okay, 179 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:13.519 So nevertheless, you're at You're at a you're at a stop let. You 180 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:16.799 said, yes, you're at And now are you faced with a red light? 181 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:20.799 You're stopped? Yes, But as soon as it turned green, I 182 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:26.279 started going, okay, and just walk me through this, okay, step 183 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:30.639 by step. So it turns green. And what are you thinking? I'm 184 00:15:30.679 --> 00:15:35.039 thinking that this is it. I see all these people. It's time to 185 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:37.440 go for it. Time to go for it. And what do you do. 186 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:43.840 I floor the pedal, I speed the van towards them, and I 187 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:48.600 allow the van to collide with them. Okay, and then what happened? 188 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:52.519 Uh, some people get knocked out of the way, some people roll over 189 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:58.679 the top of the van. Okay, and then what happens? I continue 190 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:04.919 doing until in fact, actually, to be honest, the only reason I 191 00:16:04.960 --> 00:16:11.240 stopped my attack was because someone's drink got splashed on my windshield and I was 192 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:15.799 worried that I would crash the van anyway, so I decided, Okay, 193 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:19.720 now I wanted to do more, but I've kind of been foiled by a 194 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:25.440 lack of visibility. So then that's when I pulled A turned right and I 195 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:29.639 pulled and I saw the cops approaching, so I decided to pull over and 196 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:36.320 get out of my van? Okay? How long do you travel from the 197 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:41.600 moment that you decide this is it? The light turns green and you mount 198 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:47.279 the sidewalk? Is that right? Yes? To the time that you stop. 199 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:49.200 How long in terms of the distance with that event, about two traffic 200 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:53.159 two or three traffic lights? Two or three traffic lights? Okay? So 201 00:16:53.279 --> 00:17:00.639 you turn right at what street? I don't remember which straight? I wasn't 202 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:07.880 paying attention. Why do you turn right? Because I because there wasn't any 203 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:12.519 inconvenient place to stop at Young and I and like I said that, there 204 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:15.599 was a lack of visibility on my windshield. I could hear the cops coming 205 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:19.119 anyway, So the when I turned right, there was a convenient place to 206 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:23.559 pull over on the sidewalk. Okay, okay. And so you're now, 207 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:30.200 so you're you're you're you You physically stop your vehicle, Yes, you physically 208 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:37.079 stop. So you end the assault? Yes, okay? And you end 209 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:40.200 it because you can't see, yes, and you knew the cops were coming? 210 00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:42.880 Yes, okay. And so then what happens at that point? I 211 00:17:44.759 --> 00:17:47.599 see a patrol car pull over, and I hear the cops screaming at me 212 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:51.400 to get out. So I get out, and I uh point my wallet 213 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:55.240 at the cop in it with the intent for it to be confused at the 214 00:17:55.279 --> 00:18:02.720 gun so that I could be fatally shot. Okay, And was that something 215 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:07.920 you were thinking about? Yes? I mean what I'm saying even before, 216 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:12.000 had I premediated as an attempted suicide by cop. You wanted to you wanted 217 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:15.920 to be killed by the police, yes, okay. Can I ask why 218 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:22.440 you decided to equip yourself with a wallet not something else? Uh? I 219 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:27.079 was worried. I was thinking about purchasing a toy gun. But I was 220 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:33.880 kind of paranoid that some for whatever reason the idal rental company would ask to 221 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:37.240 see my pockets or any bag if I chose to bring that. So I 222 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:42.359 decided to go as stealthy as possible so no one suspects anything. Okay, 223 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:47.200 all right, And unless you get out of the van the officer or boorg 224 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:51.440 sorry it correct me if I'm wrong, because I want to make sure it's 225 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:53.680 right. You get out of the van because the officer orders you out, 226 00:18:55.119 --> 00:18:59.400 yes, okay? Uh? And you want to you want to die by 227 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:04.319 by suicide by police, So you point your wallet at him. Yes, 228 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:11.200 okay, and do you say anything the officer. I actually told him that 229 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:15.799 I had a gun in my pocket, which was untrue. Right then, 230 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:22.799 twice I stuck my left hand in my pocket and attempted to do this just 231 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:30.480 to provoke our reaction. Okay that Unfortunately he didn't react, so that I 232 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:33.839 ended up being ordered to the ground. So I knew at that point he's 233 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:38.599 not going to shoot me. So I've lost so I had no choice but 234 00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:45.640 to just get on the ground. I'm going to ask you this because it's 235 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:57.680 important. Ten people died here today, fifteen people were seriously injured. I 236 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:04.519 think it's important to ask how do you feel about that? I feel like 237 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:08.759 I accomplished my mission. I feel like you accomplished your mission. Yes, 238 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:15.319 okay. If the families of those people who were murdered and who were injured, 239 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:18.880 we're in this room right now, what would you say to them? 240 00:20:21.440 --> 00:20:30.279 I honestly don't know what I would say. Would you apologize? I honestly 241 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:30.599 don't know.