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What is krack alackin Hardwood Knocks listeners, I am DANF Valley coming at you

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with our super duper, ultra awesome
deep dive into the twenty twenty two NBA

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Finals between the Boston Celtics and the
Golden State Warriors. I have tapped Alex

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Kungu, who you should all be
following on Twitter. He covers and tweets

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about the Celtics a lot, but
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at large. A ton two at
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U Underscore NBA. You can find
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written from time to time. I
don't think he's written lately, but at

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hup Island you could check that out
from some previous works that he's done.

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But he's been on this podcast before, does a great job covering the league.

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We have a fantastic discussion about philosophy, how the series is going up

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way out which watch four things like
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Before we get to the NBA Finals
talk, though, I did feel

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like it was worth hitting on,
uh, some some talking points in the

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news, specifically the report that broke
basically just before him recording this late at

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night. I'm so glad I waited
to record this monologue until one thirty in

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the morning Eastern time. But Tim
McMahon and Adrian Wozerowski report that Quinnstyder's future

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with the Jazz Utah Jazz. Excuse
me, that's terrible podcasting. Uh.

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It indeed remains uncertain though Quinnstyder's future
with the With the Utah Jazz, he

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has two years left on his contract
twenty twenty three twenty twenty four option that

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is his, so he effectively has
one year left on his deal. The

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Jazz are willing to let him coach
that out. They're also willing to extend

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him. It does also sound like, though, for the reporting from WOA

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McMahon, that Snyder, who's recovering
from hip surgery since the Jazz lost in

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the playoffs to the Dallas Mavericks,
is also willing to walk away and then

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not coach for a year. He
did not express any interest reportedly in pursuing

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me any of the open jobs,
and currently there's only one right now in

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Charlotte. I do wonder if other
teams might be foaming at the mouth should

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he decide to leave the Jazz.
Maybe that's something that happens in the middle

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of the season. Who knows.
But the only vacancy right now is in

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Charlotte. He doesn't appear to be
interested. Things seem to be deteriorating in

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Utah, though, this does not
get out unless there on the you know,

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in the red zone of Quinn Snyder
leading a leaving. That just it

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just to me, the stuff like
this just doesn't get out like that.

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We had Jake Fisher from Bleacher Report
on this podcast earlier in the year,

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and he mentioned that there was already
a ton of rumblings about Quinn Snyder's future

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in Utah. Woji McMahon mentioned philosophical
differences. It's not clear publicly what those

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are. Is it, you know, the new the new regime under Ryan

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Smith. Is it the fact that
the organization seems to be extremely worried about

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Donovan Mitchell and I think has acted
in certain ways as if they need to

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placate him behind the scenes through no
fault of Donna and Mitchell's own I just

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want to make clear he doesn't seem
like this super high maintenance superstar from what

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we can tell what I know.
That's just to throw that out there without

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misconceptions. Maybe Quinn Syder is frustrated
that they didn't really double down this year

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and didn't treat themselves like a contender. Maybe he doesn't. Everything's not copacetic

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with Danny Ainge being there is the
CEO. There's also just been a lot

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of turnover when it comes to upstairs, the suits, whatever you want to

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call them, and so that you
know this is like no longer the regime

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necessarily that Snyder was brought in by
by by any means, I don't know

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where the Jazz would go from here
if you lose Quinn Snyder. There's no

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one on the market that's comparable.
I do wonder if he leaves, does

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it make it more likely that you
consider this not a rebuild, because I

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really don't think you're trading Donovan Mitchell. With that many guaranteed years left on

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his post rookie scale extension, he
is under contract for another four years,

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the fourth of which is a player
option, so three guarantee years. It

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would be the Rudy Gobert things.
He is four years, including a player

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option value, about one hundred and
seventy million dollars left on his deal.

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Jake Fisher reported that there's growing on
rumblings around the league that Utah doesn't know

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which way it's going to lean with
Rudy Gobert. I think they're inherent issued

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are is. You can't trade Rudy
Gobert and get better. His salary is

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so large. He is such a
transcendent defender. But his salary is so

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large that this isn't something that you
can flip Rudy Gobert and then maybe turn

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him into two or three players who
elevate your team, because one, you're

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losing such a good player. But
I do think that teams are going to

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view that contract as prohibitive. This
is tangentially linked to the other main news

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talking point, Jake Fisher reporting that
og Naobi grew dissatisfied with his role in

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Ronald this season. I did see
a tweet on Twitter. I apologize that

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I can't even cite it properly,
but that OG's touches were sort of diminished

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as more of the offense was turned
over, not just to Fred van Fleet

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and Pascal Siaka, but also Scotty
Barnes. That's left some haziness looking forward

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as to what his role will be
like. Clearly he might fancy himself someone

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who is more of an nonball creator. The numbers do not back that up.

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I've we've seen promise, We've talked
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so much this year. He could
hit sort of the you know, the

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methodical pull up jumpers. We've seen
him do more than attack on straight line

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drives, but just as a passer, even varying up his handle a little

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bit more, there needs to be
demonstrative leaps there. And even then,

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is he someone who's going to be
able to face up and hit just these

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you know, isolation jumpers consistently,
I don't know. And does he fancy

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himself that type of player? I
really push comes to shove. Even if

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you think maybe he's most to that, I would just question the playmaking.

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What is his turnover rake going to
be in those situations as well? Still,

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Toronto's been mentioned as a Rudy Gobert
destination. I just want to make

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it clear, I fucking hate that
fit. It's just it's grotesque in my

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mind, I'm sorry. They'd figure
it out and they'd be great defensively,

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I don't want to watch that offense. Toronto's apparently not willing to give up

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Siakam in that deal because they value
him more than Rudy Gobert, as they

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absolutely positively should. But you can't
match money unless you're gonna give up og

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And then it would have to be
Yarry Shrent and all like Ludy, because

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you're not going to trade Fred fan
Fleet or Scotty Barnes for that matter,

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and step letter your way there,
which is why I would rule Toronto out

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basically from that. But you almost
have to command that type of hall.

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And so unless there's a team with
like bad money or unwanted money on the

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books, or not even bad money, but just these larger contracts that aren't

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instrumental to the team's future, you
know, Charlotte would be a perfect example

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here. Atlanta comes closest to I
think straddling both sides of the fence where

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it's like, okay, he's an
upgrade from Clint Capela, do you attach

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DeAndre Hunter? Is their picks involved
there? There have to be more money

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involved as well, but they have
Bogdan Macdonovitch. They have Neil Gallinari's uh,

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he's partially guaranteed salary for next season
if they wanted to guarantee that him

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and move it since the math with
Uta would be weird leading into the draft,

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since they do not have cap space
there, there's a workable situation there

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when you're looking at just the other
contracts that they have on the books.

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That still though, if you're the
Jazz and you're turning Rudy Gobert and to

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Clink Cappella DeAndre Hunter and like,
is it Kevin Hurt like and it's just

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one more guy, and that guy's
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if it was, I questioned why
a Landa was giving up so much.

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That's not really inspiring. And so
if Quinn Snyder at least, if he's

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around, you can talk to yourself
into well, if we're on this back,

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what if we try and get in
on the sweepstakes for o Gianna Noby,

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ourselves or Jeremy Grant. They can
trade first round picks. Uh.

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In the I don't I don't want
to say the not too distant future,

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but the just the very distant future
in twenty twenty six would be the first

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allowable one technically pending an obligation to
OKC in twenty twenty four, and then

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they could also include twenty and twenty
eight pick franchises front offices. They don't

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have the jobsability necessarily value those picks
all that much, which is why probably

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the Lakers, not probably, it's
why the Lakers twenty twenty seven and twenty

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twenty nine first round picks aren't being
talked about these massively valuable trade ships.

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That being said, Utah does have
Royce O'Neill, who, look, he

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dropped off defensively this year, but
he was responsible for so much, especially

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the past few years, and I
think he's overtaxed. He can't have him

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be your best perimeter defender. He's
just not big enough to hold up to

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the workload that Utah has assigned to
him over the years. He would still

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be really valuable and pretty much every
single team in the NBA. So you

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have him. There's probably teams that
might be interested in Mike Conley. You

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can make more. I don't the
names. I think it's they're out there.

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If the Kings decided to trade Harrison
Barnes, which I don't expect them

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too. There's Jeremy Grant in Detroit, and there's I guess og A and

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Obi Now in Toronto. If people
think he's upper Grams, who knows what

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Washington does, KCP and Kyle Kuzmer
sitting there. Those are lower end options.

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Ken Rick Williams and okay see another
lower end options. But you can

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explore buy now moves with the Jazz's
roster. It's just harder because of their

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limited draft pick cachet. You have
to be willing to put those distant picks

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on the table number one and then
have teams willing to value them. But

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if you want to make more of
an all in play, it's not outside

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the realm of possibility. It's more
likely the Jazz can do that than the

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Lakers, for instance, So you
have to consider that. If Quinn Snyder's

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there, it's easier to talk yourself
into that. If you're beginning with a

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blank slate. A new coach is
that Kenny Atkinson, is it, Mike

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d Antony? It seems like one
of them is going to get the Charlotte

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job. Please, for the love
of God, you're not bring Mark Jackson

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into use that I don't know that
I can. I just I can't handle

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that. I know people want them
off ESPN, but my mind can't handle

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that. My guests would be and
this is just my guess. I don't

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think Quinch Sider's gonna be pushing the
Jazz next season. It just feels like

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he's gone. The fact that this
release and hopefully you're not listening to this

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podcast and this news has become dated. So that's the status in Utah.

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And if he leaves, I don't
think everything's on the table, but their

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offseason gets infinitely more interesting, not
because they're just searching for another coach,

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but because of what I would wonder
what it means for the direction of the

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team. Are they trying to again
build on top of what they already have

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or would there be more of a
wholesale shift to where everybody but Donovan Mitchell

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would be on the table. I
don't know what the right course of action

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is if I'm the Jazz. If
I'm the Jazz, let's just be realistic.

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I know fans of other teams want
them to trade everybody, and this

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core does feel stale. If I'm
the Jazz, I'm putting every fucking pick

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on the table, and I'm trying
to go after and get that wing to

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continue floating. This core. The
trademark is going to dictate a lot of

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that. I don't know. Let's
use Jeremy Grant as an example. I

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don't think they would have the best
offer available for him. That's just my

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guest. But there might be other
mechanisms through which they can acquire wing.

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Maybe it's a you know, maybe
it's just more of a double rather than

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a triple or a home run.
There are always names that will become available,

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uh, you know at the last
minute or over the off season that

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we haven't been talking about. Maybe
just Atlanta full stop the under Hunters extension

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eligible. They weren't sold on his
lack of progress this year. Maybe they're

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just willing to move him, like
if you can put together a package for

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that. So there are like there
are just different things that you can try.

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Maybe if you look if shit goes
sideways in Chicago with Zach Lavine's free

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agency, like is Alex Caruso all
of a sudden available, Probably not a

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big enough wing for them to really
look at. What about Cleveland? Are

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they willing to cut bait with Isaaca
Corra a little bit earlier. I don't

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necessarily love that fit just because he's
he's better off. He seems like guarding

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smaller wingish type swingman, and it
feels like he's really most valuable is like

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an off ball guy and looking free
agency, maybe you get a want as

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Conno Anderson, that's not the ceiling
on who you could get if you're willing

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to use the entire taxpayer mid level
exception. But like that's among the best

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that you could potentially hope for.
That still makes you better, though,

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is my point. So if I'm
the jazz I, I don't know what

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they're gonna do, I would double
down because the windows are just so fickle,

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and I know the West is going
to be tougher, and the trademark

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it needs to needs to allow it. So it's easy for me to sit

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here and say that I don't know
who's going to necessarily become available this summer

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that we just haven't already mentioned in
passing, But like, those are the

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things that you you really need to
that you really need to consider, because

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a wholesale shift in the form of
moving goal bear is going to make you

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worse, and so you're almost committing
to a quasi rebuild at that point,

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is it like, is it's a
simple, It's just like, let's just

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give Royce O'Neill help. What is
it cost again, Josh Richardson out of

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San Antonio right now? One year
or twelve point two million left on his

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deal. That name has become taboo. It feels like he was just quietly

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solid last year in Boston, but
also really he was fine in San Antonio

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as well. So keep an eye
on the Jazz. My guess is Quinn

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Snyder isn't there. If I had
to bet, let's assume Quinn Snyder leaves.

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I'm gonna say Rudy Gobert gets traded
if he stays. Rudy Gobert does

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not. But the Jazz are going
to be a fascinating watch. The last

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point we already so we mentioned the
Oganna Nobi stuff. I've seen just a

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lot of deals floated around that would
get Utah the number seven pick and Josh

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Hart from that would get Toronto excuse
be the number seven pick and Josh Hart.

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Jake Fisher pointed with his article for
Police Before mentioned that that wouldn't be

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enough to get Ognaobi out of Toronto, and I think I kind of agree

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with that. Josh Hart's going in
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number seven pick, there's just like
there's that drop off after five. Not

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I'm talking talent specifically in this draft. A lot of people think there's that

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drop off after four, but like
the cachet of when you're moving that pick,

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it feels like it drops off after
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but I think you can stretch it
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Maybe that Milwaukee twenty twenty five first. Does that get it done? Something

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to consider there. But my main
point is I know Toronto sort of dances

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to the beat of its own drum
with Massi U Jerry at the helm,

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and I know that having Siakam and
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the way with Precious to Chewa and
just all these like the you know,

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the wing bigger wing type bodies that
you have to combo forward type bodies,

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combo big type bodies. Maybe it
makes you think that Toronto can say,

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hey, we want to hire a
pick and it's a player, and Josh

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Harker would be useful to us immediately. But the Raptors are trying to win

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now. They're really good. They
have Fred van Fleet and Pascal Siakam and

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Ogi Anobi. That is their window
just as much as Scotty Barnes is who

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the rating rookie of the Year,
was a positive impact player for what became

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a playoff team. And I just
find it very hard to believe that they

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would move og for just sort of
picks and then maybe a rental if they're

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gonna go even something that's close to
that route. I would assume it's more

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of like like a framework I've been
banning about, is what if the Kings

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offered you number four, Rashawn Holmes, there would need to be other salary

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in there to make it work with
with Ogeanna Noby. But so actually maybe

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there wouldn't be and need to look
at Rashun No, you would need you

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need other salary there because the Kings
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Let's just say Rashawn Holmes, Mo
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Toronto player. Number four, Oh, number four could have been the salary.

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So if it's number four and Rashaun
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pick after this year for Ogianna Noby. That's a deal I could see Toronto

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talking itself and do because you're getting
you want. Apparently they apparently want a

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big there. Rashaun Holmes not the
most switchable god, but he's better on

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defense than people give him credit for. Has that little push shot. I

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still think he could out outside range
if he gave him the green light,

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would definitely help out their rebounding.
He's been mentioned as a name that Toronto

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should go after for quite some time, and look, he's just under He's

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not a very palatable deal. He's
never even gonna make thirteen million dollars in

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a single season over the next three
years. Maybe that's something they consider or

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and look, I'm just I'm not
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if New Orleans went number eight,
Trey Murphy given his clothes to the year,

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and that was the framework, plus
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maybe Jackson Hayes is involved in there, perhaps they viewed that as stilling enough

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holes because you're getting the Trey Murphy
was this tangible player and just the way

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he shot in the playoffs and some
of the things that he did defensively leading

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into the postseason towards the end of
the year that you could talk yourself into,

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but just straight up picks and a
guy who's going to come off the

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books into Josh Hard. I'm looking
at Portland specifically. I don't see that.

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Maybe if two first are attached there
perhaps Otherwise, if you're going to

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move o Gianna Noby, it almost
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part of a blockbuster all in play
for yourself. And while I can think

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of the archetype of player I'd like
to see the Raptors get, and spoiler,

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it's not a center. I just
don't, you know, if they

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too fine, But I don't think
they need to go, you know,

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go buck wild to try and get
a Miles Turner or Rashaun Holmes or Rudy

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Gobert or a Christian. Would Christian
would be interesting there by the way,

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I know it doesn't fit their defensive
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nice. They need they need shooting, and they need like another self starter

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on offense. You could say that
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I don't care. I'd probably prefer
a higher end option than that. You

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definitely want a higher end option then
after giving up Og. But I have

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a very clear archetype in mind as
for what the Raptors would would need,

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And I just don't why would you
move ogna Nobi independent of trying to elevate

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your place in the Eastern Conference.
It would just feel like this weird lateral

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move or maybe even a step back. I know Og wasn't great this year,

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dealing with a bunch of injuries,
a lot of stop and start to

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his game. It feels like his
offense took a step back, but he

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is still at his worst in the
top ten, fifth percentile, the ninetieth

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percentile of three in d weapons in
the NBA, and someone who like He's

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played a lot of two, three, four, you can stretch him to

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guard some fives. They've used them
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we're talking very close to a five
position defender. And I don't have just

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any deals all in deals that would
make sense for the Raptors with Og,

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and again the Hodgepodge route. I
just I feel like there could be something

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there with the Pelicans if they wanted
to have O G and Herb Jones on

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the same team. That would just
be wild like a Trey Murphy and Larry

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NaN's junior as your primary and then
number eight. Is that too much for

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them? I don't know, but
that could be a deal. I could

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see maybe Toronto talking itself into that. Does it for the news portion of

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this? I hope you hope you
enjoyed that little little ramp. Let's get

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to talking all things twenty twenty two
NBA Finals with Alex kng Alex, Welcome

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back to the Hardwood Knox podcast.
I know I normally well, I pessed

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you a few times a year,
but I normally passed you for one podcast

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a year, the Celtics look Ahead
podcast, which I hope you'll let me

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pester you for again this year.
But they're in the finals, so I

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had to pester you now to talk
about this matchup with the Warriors before we

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can and ball into it. Though, First and most importantly, how are

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you doing? Man? I know
we were just talking about me feeling a

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little bit, you know, a
little tense with the way the game ended

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and stuff like that. But all
things considered, I was extremely elated the

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last time to Selter in the finals. I was sixteen, you know,

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for all the history and stuff like
that. You know, it's for Boston

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standards. It's been a while for
them specifically, so it feels good.

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It feels vindicating for this group,
and you know, like, let's get

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it man Warriors, five years,
five years later, but you know we're

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here now. Yeah. I mean, I was telling you that it has

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to be stressful as a fan just
waiting for this, and also though it's

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got to be a little surreal considering
and I was one of the idiots that

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just wrote them off the middle of
the year. They were below five hundred,

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and I was just like, I
wasn't in there. They need to

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break up Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown
because that was fucking stupid. That sentiment

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was always dumb. But I was
just like, oh, this is this

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is a disaster. And now now
they're just they're just in the finals.

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They're just in the finals. They
swept the nets, they took care of

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Jimmy Butler's will to win or whatever
he calls it. These days, they're

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just they're just in the finals.
It's it's pretty surreally, even from like

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a detached perspective, just looking at
where they were in the middle of this

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season. Honestly, it feels like
a sports movie or something like you know,

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how people people have been going back
and looking at old sweets and laughing

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other people. I've looked at old
sweets and myself like looking at like,

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look at what I was sweeting in
January, I was like, all right,

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let's blow this team up. A
lot of people are saying, you

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know, like at the time,
like I wasn't. I wasn't for training

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the days, but I understood the
logic, like we're two years into five

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hundred basketball, maybe the core just
doesn't work in that way now, Granton,

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I'm not a GM thankfully for Boston
and they're in the finals, but

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man, this turnaround, I can
only describe it as a movie. It

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feels like a movie. Yeah,
it's it's incredible turnaround for them. And

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I think objectively like this was the
most you know, maybe you as a

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fan might prefer like an easier matchup, like this was objectively the most compelling

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matchup left was Warrior versus Celtics,
right, especially looking at how just banged

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up the heat were I guess Jimmy
Butler, you know, got someone else's

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knee or something midway through that heat
Celtics series, but they were just like

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they were even more banged up than
the Celtics are. Yeah, I mean

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that's a great team over there.
They play have a lot of hard So

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I mean, I think either either
either those teams are going to get the

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Warriors a great competition. But you
know, obviously, as a fan,

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I want to see Jason Satum,
I want to see Jalen Brown. I

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want to see them get that big
stage. And honestly, for out corporate

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man, it's just so great to
see a guy worth fifteen years as something

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not be able to even it's one
thing to lose the finals, I'm able

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to get to like the pinnacle of
that despite being you know, when a

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lot of people look for in modern
bigs male and the longevity Heath had throughout

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his career, So for him to
finally get this moment and stuff like that,

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you know, I'm I'm elated,
and I think this is probably going

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to be a really good matchup just
based on how these teams play against each

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other. He's also kind of a
proof of concept for if you spend a

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year in Oklahoma City, like it's
order just rejuvenate you a little bit us

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return, So when I've been watching, like, especially throughout the playoffs,

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it feels like the Celtics offense whenever
they have a lead or when it gets

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later, but a lot of times
when they have a lead, it just

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slows down. And I couldn't tell
if I was becoming a prisoner of a

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moonent. So I went back and
looked, and like, they're really burning

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the shot clock in fourth quarters throughout
the playoffs. I think in the rundown

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I sent you like thirty four percent
basically of their field goal attempts are coming

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within seven seconds of the shot clock
in the fourth quarter during the conference vinyls,

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which seems too high. They don't
shoot all in those looks they actually

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had, they shot better from two
point range on them than I expected.

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Is there like something to that?
Is it like, is there like a

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cause behind why they're slowing down so
much when normally how they're building these leads

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is I don't want to say they're
playing for neetically, but it's just like

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they're not, you know, they're
just getting into their stuff a lot quicker

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I would. I don't. They
don't think it's a strategy thing. I

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think he may play seven and a
half guys. They've played ninety plus games

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down ninety eight and the rotation is
got even shorter, and I think these

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guys are fading late in games.
That's my honest opinion. I could because

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I don't think they like in Game
seven, how they started that game.

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It was very clear they wanted to
play with a fast pace. They knew

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against Miami that was the way to
beat them. So personally, I don't

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know any other way to describe it
other than guy's running out of gas.

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You could point to if you look
at some of those structures lay in the

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game. Tatum is primarily the point
guard now as opposed to like Mark as

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smart, and maybe there a little
bit of like, all right, Tatum

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already has the ball where it was
Smart. A lot of it is trying

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to get guys the ball, so
there is movement and stuff naturally because he's

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not the guy you want with a
ball in his hands all the time.

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So I mean, you could say
maybe because they're bringing up with Tatum,

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they don't see the need to go
as fast. But honestly, like it's

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it's probably like a plethora of things. I tie it to fatigue more so

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than anything, though, I don't
know, seven and a half man rotation

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game ninety eight, you're playing guys, all of them playing forty plus minutes.

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I just think they got into a
victory formation a little too quick sometimes

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and it literally almost talked to my
final trip. But I'm sure we'll get

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into that. But yeah, it's
been a concerning trend. It's something that

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I think is something to keep to
keep tabs on, just because it's not

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like this was just Miami game seven, you know, like they lost game

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five at home to Milwaukee. Doing
that, They've blown a lot of fourth

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quarter like fourteen fifteen point leads,
even going back, you know, earlier

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this year, that was the story
of their team. So it's not something

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that's completely eradicated. I would just
say it's topically different reasons now, Whereas

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early in the year was maybe because
you know, rotationtions and people not really

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knowing what to do at the end
of the game. I think they figured

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a lot of that stuff out,
then got into pollution where they weren't playing

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both games at all, and I
just thing in the playoffs, it's just

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a grime. And I mean they're
playing some really great teams and they do

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need to figure it out though,
because that's even saying fatigue. That's not

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an excuse to completely almost crater you
know, like thirteen fifteen point lead in

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the span of three minutes, you
know, so if something has to be

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figured out with that, But yeah, like I don't. I just think

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maybe those have something to do with
the with with just how he's playing his

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rotations, which you know, you
can argue with them, but at the

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end of the day, you know
they're in the finals, So I guess

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that's cut. You know, it's
a gift in accurse. Yeah, And

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I do think it's probably gonna come
more important for them to actually operate well

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in the half court because Warriors are
fantastic at getting back in transition, and

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so I think it's I feel think
it's hyper important for Boston to get out

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and push, especially after Golden State
missus turnovers three able to force and I

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think it helps that Golden State's a
little loosey goosey with the ball as well,

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but they're so good at like getting
back in transition, it's going to

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increase the importance of like them being
more efficient in the half quarter, at

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00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,240
least doing things in the half court. Probably even sooner to where Okay,

404
00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:55,359
Golden State's defense is set, but
maybe it's not fully set because if you

405
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,079
just let twelve or fourteen seconds burn
off the shot clock against them without putting

406
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,440
them in like any sort of rotation
or anything, you're it feels like you're

407
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,279
sort of burying yourself at this huge
disadvantage. Yeah, I mean that's fair,

408
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,680
and that's a good point. You
brought up about the Warriors, and

409
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,720
they're not though they turn the ball
over, they can turn teams over and

410
00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:18,160
they play very quick too, and
when you want to talk about fatigue and

411
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,880
some of the collapses that the function
had, Golden State is a team that

412
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,799
you know, it could have been
Step Courage that chanced to be Butler,

413
00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:29,559
and then you know, maybe we're
talking about a whole different thing. So

414
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,720
yeah, I mean, pace is
going to be a very big thing in

415
00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:37,880
this series. I feel when we
spoke over the I don't even remember what

416
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,559
time of the year was at that
point because the season result just you know,

417
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:44,680
sort of messed up. We discussed
about how Jayon Brown's handle had become

418
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,400
like this asset or become tighter.
What is going on with it right now?

419
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,960
Because it feels like he's been able
to just like he's like fumbling possession

420
00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:56,200
or that like teams are it's open
season when he when he's putting the ball

421
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,480
on the floor. Is there like
actually something to that or is that the

422
00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:03,000
prisoner of moment take where I'm watching
certain moments against the Heat, maybe a

423
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,480
little bit against the Bucks, But
what is going on there? If anything,

424
00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:10,519
I think it's just a lack of
playmaking, Honestly, don't. I

425
00:27:10,519 --> 00:27:14,359
think it's tied to the fact that
one he doesn't he does. He's still

426
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,960
he's a better playmaker than he was
last year, but he's still not just

427
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,000
have a playmaker that can manipulate defenses. And I think what you saw against

428
00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:25,720
the Bucks and about the Heat is
they make you play in a crowd.

429
00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:30,400
They have every aggressive defenders that didn't
get pushed off their line by Jalen.

430
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,119
And it was as simple as Jalen
kind of has this thing still where it's

431
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,359
if he gets the ball, he's
pretty much making a decision before he dribbles

432
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,359
whether he's gonna pass or shoot.
And a lot of those guys and so

433
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,559
what that does for a defense is
once he's driving the ball, you're not

434
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,680
worried about the past that's gonna happen. You're all keying in on him.

435
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:51,599
So he's keying in right into a
lane. And I think something Miami did

436
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,079
really great was that no understanding that
I'm just sending his limit tage with the

437
00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:57,680
playmaker. They just sat on his
gather stuff the second he started getting ready,

438
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,799
his second segments aren't going. And
sometimes it wasn't even the guys defending

439
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,240
him. It was guys that were
like on his strong side, just waiting,

440
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,680
waiting when okay, here you dump
driving right by me. Jimmy Butler

441
00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:12,160
hit three butler s white, So
it was at some point It's just like

442
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,359
it was talked about in the contents
uptive Handles, which yes he can,

443
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,519
he doesn't need to improve their level. But I personally looked at that as

444
00:28:19,599 --> 00:28:23,079
just like a person who's still kind
of a step or two behind when it

445
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,880
comes to playmaking and not understanding that, Okay, they're gonna overplay me.

446
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,319
I could sit on that and then
hit the strong guy corner and then keep

447
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,200
on moving. I can keep moving. I can I can reset get the

448
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,759
ball again, move without the basketball. You don't need to have the basketball

449
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,440
all the time to be able to
score, and I think Kane and I'm

450
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,279
sure we're getting that later. I
think that's something that Tandem starts to understand

451
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,640
later in the playoffs. But Jalen
is still kind of trying to do it

452
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,599
himself too much, sometimes in a
way that's just not conducive against playoff level

453
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,079
defenses. I don't even know if
there's a question so much as a thought,

454
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,559
but the way he's played and it's
felt a little bit like too predictable

455
00:28:57,559 --> 00:29:00,759
at points, I was wondering if
the Warrior are gonna try. Yes,

456
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:03,200
I think Clay, insofar as like
there's individual matchups in this series at all,

457
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,119
feels like Clay will get a lot
of time on him. But I've

458
00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:08,200
just wondered if, like we're going
to see possessions where the Warriors try and

459
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,119
put Steph or when Jordan pools in
the game on him just because they have

460
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,799
to. Their defense is so good, but they have a little bit more

461
00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:18,279
to think about, like at the
top of their defense at certain times it

462
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:22,039
feels like and so I've just wondered
with the way that he's played, or

463
00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:25,079
like the turnovers that he's committed,
or some of the decisions that he's made

464
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:27,839
whether that's going to embolden them to
try anything like that, And I'm just

465
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,480
so curious to see how that ends
up panning out. I can see I

466
00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:34,759
could see a situation where they put
like step on him and then have like

467
00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:38,680
Draymond sitting at the strong side basically
and just waiting for him to make a

468
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,160
move or just putting it in his
head, which it then kind of puts

469
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,359
him in a spot where he's probably
not gonna be as aggressive. But I

470
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,599
think I think you can bate him
into those type of things. It's it's

471
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,720
just a reality as as good as
he's been as he makes. I mean,

472
00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:56,559
this is the same series where he
scored forty but almost had a triple

473
00:29:56,599 --> 00:30:00,079
double with when you kind of turnovers
too. So it's just it's really it's

474
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,640
very hot and cold with him,
and I think the Celtics would be better

475
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,279
served honestly turning him into more of
like a play type player this series.

476
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,359
It's something that you know, I
think about Game Game five and my aunties

477
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:17,920
that second, that second half run
the Celtics made led by Jaylen Brown,

478
00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:21,279
Well, Jaylen Brown, I think
maybe taking two or three dribbles on his

479
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:23,480
way to like eighteen second half points
and it was all him moving off,

480
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,400
all catchumin wins, no thinking.
No, this is like, let the

481
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:32,440
real playmakers, let Marcus Tatum shoot
corporate. He's honestly the worst playmaker on

482
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,440
the starting five and by a long
shot. So I was like, let

483
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,960
those guys do the creating stuff like
that, and you focus on what you

484
00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:41,240
do best, and honestly like as
almost as well as Tatum, which is

485
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,000
scour of the basketball. Right.
If he's just focusing on that, If

486
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,359
he's just focused on playing off movement, making quick decisions, not thinking,

487
00:30:47,559 --> 00:30:49,400
he could still be a really good
killer in this series. But I think

488
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,240
in moments where the words are slowing
down the Celtics, making them play ISO

489
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,720
and a get into ball just in
Jalen's hands, lace shot, cluck,

490
00:30:56,759 --> 00:30:59,400
trying to make it the possession,
that's where you can kind of see situations

491
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,279
where he's turned ball over and then
they're running down the court and you know

492
00:31:02,319 --> 00:31:04,319
we're getting we're getting hit with Mike
Green bangs out of nowhere, you know,

493
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:10,200
So it'll be the Celtics have to
be very delicate. I don't imagine

494
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,359
them doing anything drafting Game one.
So I think part of them, was

495
00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:17,839
probably going to think that Miami.
There they are switchy. The words are

496
00:31:17,839 --> 00:31:19,680
switchy. Two. They can they
play fast with the Warriors, but they're

497
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,400
also are really really physical too,
in a way that I don't think the

498
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,519
Warriors are. I could be wrong
about that. I just don't think the

499
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:29,839
words are as physical as Miami.
So I could see insist where the where

500
00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:33,680
the Celtics say, Okay, even
a guy like Max Druce that's known it's

501
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,319
like a defensive live billy at some
point, he's still a big guy.

502
00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:38,640
It still takes on to move him
off the line. And if you have

503
00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:41,359
that with a guy like PJ.
Tucker waiting in the wing or bam at

504
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:45,440
about waiting in the middle, a
guy Jimmy Butler who just just can't wait

505
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,680
to hitch hit the ball take coming
out, it's a different type of concept

506
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,440
than kind of like what the Warriors
do. So I would I mean,

507
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:55,160
i'd be interest to see if they
can kind of if they can play to

508
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,519
that Miami standards. But I'd at
least wait for game one. I wouldn't

509
00:31:57,599 --> 00:32:00,519
change nothing yet. I'd wait for
game one. See how they're defending him,

510
00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:04,359
see if he has those same struggles
and then make a change from there.

511
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,839
Is there anything you're looking for,
like when things specifically slow down for

512
00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:12,119
the Celtics against the Warriors, where
it's you know, do we see like

513
00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:16,319
so Jason Tatum feels like he's made
incredible decisions when he's off the ball a

514
00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:20,640
little bit. But is this also
a situation where when you know how much

515
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,160
the Warriors are going to switch anyway, are you getting into sort of the

516
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,279
chest match of of targeting where you're
putting the ball in his hands and trying

517
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:28,599
to get you know, him to
go after Steph Curry or you know,

518
00:32:28,599 --> 00:32:30,720
if Jordan Poole is on the floor. Is there any one thing about the

519
00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:36,440
Celtics half court offense that you're watching
leading into this series? It depends on

520
00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:38,920
Clay and Wiggins, right, I
mean, if we had this we're having

521
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:44,480
this conversation with a different Clay Thompson, I'd honestly be like, yeah,

522
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:46,240
we have to. It's not a
matter of like are we going to try

523
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,079
to do It's the only way we're
gonna be able to score. And there

524
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,319
was a timer Clay was like,
pound for pound, one of the best

525
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,960
one on one defenders in the playoffs, and I don't know if that Clay

526
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:57,720
is there, and I want to
see if Wiggins can really do it with

527
00:32:57,759 --> 00:33:00,880
a player of Tatums caliber. He
had some really great moments against Luca,

528
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,720
but Luca still you know, it
wasn't like he shut Luca down all the

529
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,119
way. Luca still did a lot
of what he wanted to do in that

530
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,000
series. So for me, I'm
looking at this and saying, if they're

531
00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:15,960
able to really tangibly slow tate them
down with just their initial matchups. And

532
00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:19,279
I can see the Celtics starting to
move around focus more on, you know,

533
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:22,200
attacking mismatches, but a lot of
the mismatches that they try to attack

534
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,960
are the wrong ones. Something and
something I could see early on is like

535
00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:29,240
not I don't want to I don't
want to attack. For example, Marcus

536
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:32,519
Martin Kiman Looney, I want to
attack Al Horford when he gets Klay Thompson

537
00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:36,240
on him in the post. I
want to attack. I want to attack

538
00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:39,400
when they get you know the weird
the weird curry On Williams saying when they're

539
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:44,400
just trying to junk up in action. I think there's situations for them to

540
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:50,799
attack kind of those more clear advantages, and I think they can do that,

541
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,720
they can do that, will they
I don't know, because the play

542
00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:55,559
Thompson and Wiggins played at the level
that I think them been cable of,

543
00:33:55,839 --> 00:34:00,079
but not one hundred percent sure that
they'll get to. Then you know,

544
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,599
it's kind of a matter of,
like Dave, that something would have to

545
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,839
maybe even consider playing smaller, getting
more shooting on the floor, getting more

546
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,960
spacing. But if they can still
score, what's the two big lineups,

547
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,599
which is what I'm gonna be watching
for, then the words to be in

548
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,840
some trouble because the other's still allowed
to play big while still you know,

549
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,559
being able to put together an average
drop. I mean, for a defense

550
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:22,760
like that, we had to rethink
of Boston like how we consider offense because

551
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,880
our defense is so elite. We
can't just be like, all right,

552
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,360
what we need to compare us for
mother e leafe offense. For us,

553
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,000
it's like passable offense, a leafe
defense. So we can have a passable

554
00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:36,679
offense with two bigs. To me, that's to me, that's that puts

555
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,159
us in really big, a really
big position to win a championship. But

556
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,920
I think if Thompson and Wiggins proved, you know too tough of a matchup,

557
00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:46,000
or at least good enough to slow
down Tatum and the Celtics have to

558
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,719
now explore going smaller, taking away
from some of something they like to do,

559
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,480
maybe not playing as much as Rob
Williams and just can impact their defense.

560
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,880
Then I think, yeah, like
you have to kind of start going

561
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,000
for the mismatching. But I wouldn't. But the answer you question, I

562
00:34:59,039 --> 00:35:00,760
wouldn't just go off of it just
to start the game. I think you

563
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,920
just play the game, you let
it flow out, and then you pick

564
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,320
spots within the game, like,
okay, now it's down the stretch over

565
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,559
within your bucket. Now you hit
the timely bucket. Now this is when

566
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,559
Tatum is pushing pushing step Perry under
the under the rim or something like that.

567
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,360
So that's an odd play it.
Personally, uh, Cavan Looney has

568
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,840
been a monster during the playoffs,
like just an absolute beast, like done

569
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,360
everything, been great for offensive rebounding. Much is still made of the Warriors.

570
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,239
This new Liquid death lineup, whatever
it's called. It cooled off for

571
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,119
a second. It barely played in
the conference finals. I think they played

572
00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:36,119
like twenty four minutes across five games, and they were plus seventeen and twenty

573
00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:37,519
four minutes, which is which is
great, But do you see this as

574
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:43,320
a series because not that Looney can't
play, but that Boston likes to play

575
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,800
big, and so there's not I
don't know what the advantage necessarily is to

576
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,519
having Looney on the court. Do
you see them as like, do you

577
00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:53,159
think that they're going to maybe not
early, but downsize a bunch during the

578
00:35:53,199 --> 00:36:00,599
series to Draymond at the five lineups
and Brad Brad Stephens Celtics absolutely email Celtics,

579
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:04,400
you have to make them. You
have to make them. They're not

580
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,599
gonna just do it because they're going
to assume that they think, even playing

581
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:12,239
big, that they can stay in
front of people. They left Grant Williams

582
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,559
on an island of Victor Oladipo.
They didn't care. They he's defended Kevin

583
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:17,920
Durant. Same with Rob So.
I think for the Celtics, they see

584
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,559
that as like a core part of
their identity and you have to literally show

585
00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:25,519
them that they cannot use that at
all before they change. Because even when

586
00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:28,800
Miami went small, the Miami did
that a lot. They're a small team

587
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,679
in general, but even they had
even they had lineups of like Tucker at

588
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,880
the five and Boston still played two
bigs. They did not care they still

589
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,280
played two bigs. Now Golden States
personnel offers different challenges, better you know,

590
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,360
better shop making and stuff like that. So does that change the calculus

591
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,039
maybe? Is it a little bit
harder for Gret Williams, say in front

592
00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:50,880
of Oladipo versus Jordan Pool? Yes, of course so those But again what

593
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,400
I'm what I'm getting at though,
is they have to still execute that though,

594
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,719
So in game one of you know
they're killing them in the two big

595
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,239
lineup, then they'll change it,
but they still have to prove it firston.

596
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,320
I don't want to vision the Celtics
just assuming it's a weakness already,

597
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,840
because I don't think they believe that
until someone shows it. I think it's

598
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,960
clear they trust they're two big lineups
and for good reason. Do you think,

599
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,800
though, like the state of Rob
Williams's knee changes that at all,

600
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:16,000
just because he didn't look like I
mean, the injury management with him,

601
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,039
I guess, I don't know if
it's weird or effective, like, because

602
00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:22,800
he's looked really good at points during
the playoffs within he's missing games, but

603
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,320
in Game seven, it looked like
he was running through mud with concrete shoes.

604
00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:30,360
I think having all this time off
hopefully helps him, But does that

605
00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:35,639
change the approach if the Warriors downsize
at all to having him on the court

606
00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:39,920
with Horford, I would think so. I mean, Udoka today sounding pretty

607
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,440
upbeat when talking about Williams, he
talked about he made He made a very

608
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,039
key point saying, you know,
since a buff series played seventeen you know,

609
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:51,039
straight days, playing games every other
day, you know, so that's

610
00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:53,480
a lot. That's a lot coming
off of menisca surgery that he came back

611
00:37:53,519 --> 00:37:59,840
early from, right, which is
like another thing to note. So you

612
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:01,639
know, we'll have to I think
for them, they're honestly looking at it

613
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:07,199
like we want to play the way
we got the stile that got us here.

614
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,559
But if Robson looks hobbled or ineffective, you know, we trust type

615
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:15,480
I started most of those games in
Brooklyn, you know, like we trust

616
00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:20,000
him, and we trust the brand
most importantly too. So I can see

617
00:38:20,039 --> 00:38:22,840
a situation where they might have a
little bit more quicker trigger with him than

618
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,920
they had early in the year because
they know he is campered. So it's

619
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,599
not a matter of like, Okay, he's just playing bad, he's find

620
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:31,039
a footing. It's like okay,
he's gimpy, or okay, maybe he's

621
00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:34,760
not getting there in time. So
now we have to switch on how we

622
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,320
want to defend, how you want
to play. And look, you mentioned

623
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,400
Grant Williams. He's a he's a
podcast favorite here, and one of my

624
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,320
favorite playoff stats, which is obviously
not changed because they eliminated the Bucks,

625
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:51,599
is that whenever he registered as a
partial defender on a possession with Janna's attend

626
00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:54,719
to Kopo, the Bucks as a
team averaged about one point zero three points

627
00:38:54,719 --> 00:39:00,400
per possession, which is it's not
like super elite, it's it's not good.

628
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,320
So like he's just he holds up
against all these different sorts of matchups.

629
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,800
And so I still think people undersell
what he means to the Celtics defense,

630
00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:08,880
all that focus like always you know, look at what he's done when

631
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:14,920
he stretched the floor and had that
hot stretched against Milwaukee specifically. So I

632
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,679
think he's he's certainly a name to
watch if Rob Williams is not going to

633
00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:21,599
be able to play a ton of
minutes. But as you mentioned, I

634
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,400
was only thinking about the time leading
into the finals. It's definitely helping that

635
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,519
there's like two and three days between
each of the games from looking at the

636
00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:30,840
schedule, which is not a luxury
that we've had it all in the postseason.

637
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,679
Yeah, exactly. It allows I
think it allows the teams kind of

638
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,280
you know, it's not just Rob
altorfer is thirty five. You know,

639
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,000
he's he's an older guy. Some
of the Celtics are banged up, Marcus

640
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:45,840
Smart banged up. Tatum had had
his shoulder, so you know, it's

641
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,079
the playoffs. You know, every
like like that old time lou thing that

642
00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:52,119
every podcast is saying, everyone's injured. Everyone's kind of playing through something at

643
00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:57,199
this stage of the year. But
yeah, man, it's gonna be it's

644
00:39:57,199 --> 00:39:59,960
gonna be a slog And I said, but I do think the time is

645
00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:02,920
gonna help them, especially Golden State. Honestly, I think more than Boston,

646
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,519
just because I think that I think
that's what the experience will help them.

647
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:07,719
I think they're a little bit used
to being in finals. They know

648
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,360
how the final schedules goes, they
know how to meet a day is supposed

649
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,880
to be, they know how they're
supposed to sleep, they know how to

650
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,000
change coasts. So I think there's
there's there's something to that that I think,

651
00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:21,360
you know, could end up helping
them, but helping them enough to

652
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,719
win the series. I mean,
that's to me, that's still yet to

653
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:28,639
be the term. How do you
think the Celtics are gonna want I'm sure

654
00:40:28,679 --> 00:40:31,000
they'll throw a bunch of different stuff
at him, but they like when you

655
00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:34,760
look at how the matchups fair this
year, like there wasn't enough time of

656
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,199
even semi full strength minutes for each
team to to really take stoff in it.

657
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:42,360
How do we how would you expect
the Celtics to try and defend Steph

658
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,599
Kerry. I'm not asking you how
they're gonna stop him, because I think

659
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:46,079
we were were all beyond that question
now, but like, how do you

660
00:40:46,159 --> 00:40:50,960
see them trying to make life difficult
on him? Man? I mean I

661
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,440
think they. I think they try
their best to switch everything except Rob robin

662
00:40:55,519 --> 00:40:59,559
ol screens. I think they're gonna
try not to switch their big zomps and

663
00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:01,840
stuff that that's one thing. So
I can see maybe like light drops,

664
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:07,480
arn't heads and stuff like that,
they start smart on him, injured or

665
00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:08,880
not. That's your defensive player of
the Year. That's your best point of

666
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:13,119
attack defender. I know some teams
like to throw a length on him,

667
00:41:13,159 --> 00:41:15,840
but personally with the with the workload
they put on Jelen and Jason to chase

668
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:22,280
Steph Curry around for fourteen seventeen miles
a game seems like a lot whether you're

669
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:23,840
also going to be asked to score
a lot, and you know, maybe

670
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:30,079
chasing Martin, maybe chasing Steph Curry
will motivate Marcus Smart to continue to pass

671
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:32,320
the ball even in the fourth quarter
instead of almost putting out of a final

672
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:37,440
appearance. So I mean, I
think, yeah, I mean, I

673
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:38,639
want him to stay busy there.
He could want to. I want to.

674
00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:42,679
I want emay in his ear telling
him he can win a finals MVP

675
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,760
if he can shut down Steph.
But I mean, you know, I

676
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,000
think it's gonna be about, realistically, it's about giving him a bunch of

677
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,159
different looks. Sometimes it's gonna be
uh, Marcus, sometimes it's gonna be

678
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,480
Jelen. At times I think the
real person. And you know, I

679
00:41:55,519 --> 00:42:00,199
think I think you mentioned this as
well. Derek White be huge. Derek

680
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,480
White did some really special things guarding
movement shooters in the Miami Series. In

681
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:07,880
a way that despite his horrendous shooting. I mean, if you're a something

682
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,119
S fan, you know, we
have not had defenders that could hangs onto

683
00:42:12,119 --> 00:42:15,280
shooters since Avery Bradley Loft and Avery
Bradley is too small, so even when

684
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,800
he hung on them, they shot
over him. So this is probably like

685
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,920
our best movement defender that we've had
in a very long time. I think

686
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,599
he's going to be very important after
the words. They're going to challenge him

687
00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:30,199
and leave him really wide open if
he if he's effective, and I think

688
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:32,280
he's maybe the X factor of the
series because if he can, if he's

689
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:37,079
able to stay on the court play
the type of defense he can play on

690
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:42,079
Steph, that gives you one.
It kind of it kind of reduces the

691
00:42:42,159 --> 00:42:45,400
need for rob in a way because
you're not so caught up on like just

692
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:50,519
gribal penetration as much anymore. If
you're constantly like there, you're sitting to

693
00:42:50,519 --> 00:42:52,440
your person, people don't have to
switch, people aren't in so much motion

694
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:59,599
as much. And I just think
that if you could lay out the page

695
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:04,480
touches, tournaments will complete like ISO
Shop making team not being able to score

696
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,000
off split action and elevators Arason cutting
off top of action and you turn them

697
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,280
into like an isot that it's just
step trying to make a play, George

698
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,360
trying to play, trying to make
a play. Derek White gives them the

699
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,480
chance with that, just with the
way he can follow and chase and navigate

700
00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:22,000
around the screens. Well he though, that's a whole other different story.

701
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:28,079
Uh yeah, his screen navigation of
the conference finals was fantastic. But you're

702
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,599
I am curious because you mentioned like
his poor shooting at points throughout the playoffs,

703
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:36,159
when your offense feels like it might
already be like fighting an uphill battle,

704
00:43:36,159 --> 00:43:37,440
it's how many minutes can you get
away with him there? I guess

705
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,559
the alternative is just like I don't
like, it depends on who's you're replacing.

706
00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:44,000
But if you're supping him in for
Rob Williams, how much does that

707
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:46,800
hurt the offense Potentially? I guess
you lose that like lob threat, that

708
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,840
role threat. So there's that to
consider as well, which, by the

709
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,079
way, I can't even as he's
been playing injured and just seeing like time

710
00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:57,679
Lord like distill the verticality that he
has, there have been moments where he

711
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,400
still just looks like you could jump
out of the building. So I'm I

712
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,920
put that in the run aff where
I feel like this might be a Derek

713
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,440
White series though just even not even
like just all the off ball stuff that

714
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,000
the Warriors doing, Like Clay is
in constant motion, and so is that

715
00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:15,639
someone who's better or can at least
help out to put pressure on Clay or

716
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:17,719
stick with him rather than allocating Jail
and Brown to that role. Who we

717
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:22,119
can do that just fine as well. But it's just like the Warriors are

718
00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:24,400
gonna be putting so many of the
celtics best defenders through the ringer, I

719
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:30,199
think in ways that we haven't seen
really any other team do that this this

720
00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:35,239
postseason. Yeah, I mean it's
gonna be a tough one. I think

721
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,639
even if the Celtics school confident and
their ability to be switchy, to be

722
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,800
versutil in that way, it's a
whole other thing to you know, be

723
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,760
there, have the matchup right and
watch, you know, step Purty still

724
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,239
hit a thirty footer in your face
and then follow that up and Klay Thompson

725
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,199
is there and then Jordan Pool does
his own reenactment too, and that last

726
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,800
game against the Celtics when when step
went out, I mean, Jordan pools

727
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,480
one that led that come back and
made that a very much more competitive game

728
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,960
before the Selton's pooled away again.
So his shot making has been something that

729
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,000
you know, the Celtics has struggles
to contain as well. So I think

730
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,679
just the extra attention that goes to
those guys and stuff, and knowing how

731
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:13,199
Draymond Green is one of the you
know how one of the smartest players ever

732
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,760
to play this game, and how
he knows how to attack over help and

733
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:22,480
overplaying stuff, you know, it's
gonna be really really imperative that the Celtics

734
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,920
don't get caught in too many situations
where they're scrambling or not existence that they

735
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:29,960
like. So I could see a
situation where, you know, Derek White

736
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,480
does end up playing a lot,
even despite the fact that he may not

737
00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:35,039
be able to shoot as well,
because you don't want to end up with

738
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:38,480
too many situations where a hobbled Robin's
garrying like Jordan Poole or something like that.

739
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,360
So you know, I'm Derek White
does have an issue with shooting.

740
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,039
The words are going to test that. One thing I would say if your

741
00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:50,679
Boston is and he hasn't very affected
that, you know, driving support,

742
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,320
creating contact, getting downhill and if
you're maybe and maybe you know, the

743
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:58,480
worriest thing they can steal minutes maybe
having step on him, having clay something

744
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,320
like that, you allow him to
be aggressive and just you know, attacking

745
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,719
and going stuff like that. You
know, it allows it at least makes

746
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,400
set or whoever's going to defend him
have to have that to play defense.

747
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:13,760
Because my thought process is because he
can't shoot, they're probably just gonna have

748
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,880
step on him or something like that, or even Draymond, which could be

749
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:21,119
interesting and just have Draymond just kind
of completely ignore him slow, kind of

750
00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:23,400
junk of all the other actions fast
the thing is really likely not not thinking

751
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,360
about I think that's actually what they're
gonna do, probably, which can then

752
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,519
really hampered Derek White's affecting this offensively
if he's not able to constantly take and

753
00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:36,039
make cats and shoot threes, which
we still haven't seen him do consistently.

754
00:46:36,119 --> 00:46:42,719
This entire playoffs are time with the
Celtics, right, I've also wondered how

755
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,880
the Celtics we're gonna and then I've
I think everyone to falls to the Warriors,

756
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,400
don't run this enough, but they're
averaging one point two five points per

757
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,719
possession when it's a Steph and Draymond
pick and roll. And I was trying

758
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,960
to get thought, as said,
what would be the best way for Boston

759
00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:00,800
to defend that during what would be
their regular lineup minutes when you have two

760
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,480
bigs on the floor. And I
didn't really consider this, but Nikaia s

761
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,039
tucking His wrote that he thought that
Jayson Tatum would see a bunch of time

762
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:12,840
and Raymond Green because you could theoretically
put Al Horford on Andrew Wiggans since he's

763
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,440
not someone who's moving a ton,
and then that would give you, I

764
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:20,360
think, a dynamic in defending the
Steph and Draymond picking roll that literally no

765
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,000
other team in the league would have
because that's Marcus Smart and Jason Tatum then

766
00:47:24,039 --> 00:47:27,760
defending that picking roll, which feels
like, again, that could still be

767
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,000
a deadly combination, but it feels
like it's at least like maybe you could

768
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,320
neuter it a little bit if those
are the two primary defenders in that action.

769
00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:38,360
Yeah, and that's actually what I
thought was going to be the matchups

770
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,679
going into this series. Too smarter
than I then I did not even I

771
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,719
didn't consider it. That was I
mean, that was the last match that

772
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:46,800
they played. In fairness, it
was it was. It was what they

773
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,599
did in the second matchup against the
Warriors. So that's something that I had

774
00:47:50,639 --> 00:47:52,559
noted. I had in my notes. I was out with that though.

775
00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:59,920
I know you had putting a Horford
on some of like looney, I was

776
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:04,159
wanting to rob you get away with
defending Andrew Wiggins or something like that,

777
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,400
as if he's in the corner.
That's kind of how the Celtics want to

778
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,679
use Rob Williams anyway, like help
him off of there. So yeah,

779
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:14,239
I mean, but that's like I
didn't really consider those like options, and

780
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,559
so that would give you because I
still like that's the steph tre pick and

781
00:48:16,639 --> 00:48:21,719
roll has been just phenomenal for years, and just if they're busting it out

782
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,639
in Boston has like an actual answer
to it. I'm just trying to think

783
00:48:23,679 --> 00:48:28,840
of ways to come up Golden State's
half court offense, which can be really

784
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,360
tough, but they also go through
these berths where they're coughing the ball up

785
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,840
a lot and it doesn't seem like
they're playing well, but then you look

786
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,079
and it's like, oh, well, they're all friends of rating was still

787
00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:37,800
like one twenty seven for that game, and so like they put up these

788
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:43,000
points. I think maybe because it
happens in droves sometimes without even feeling it,

789
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:45,920
And so it just forces me,
at least me personally, like to

790
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:46,679
think of, like, alright,
well, how do you go about like

791
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:51,360
defending some of the more like granular
actions that they're gonna run to maybe try

792
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,440
and stop some of those just avalanches
of scoring from them. Yeah, And

793
00:48:55,519 --> 00:49:00,199
I think you just have to understand
that they're gonna have those runs. I

794
00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:02,599
mean you can't you honestly can't stop
them to a certain extent. You can

795
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:07,000
limit it, you can change the
way those hooks are coming. And I

796
00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:08,519
think Boston, you know better than
you know most of the teams in the

797
00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:12,840
league, at least in the regular
season have done a good job at least

798
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,880
being able to stay at home.
They were confident their ability to defend on

799
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:20,400
the perimeter against them. So you
know, like, I don't know if

800
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,960
they're but you know, it honestly
feels like I know what's gonna happen.

801
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,519
Like I know they're gonna switch a
lot, I know they're gonna be aggressive

802
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,559
and it's gonna and I know that
at the end of the day, it's

803
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:34,400
smart can start on stuff, but
it's gonna be somebody else that's on at

804
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,599
the end of the posession. Either
way, it's gonna be tatives, they'll

805
00:49:36,639 --> 00:49:39,880
be brown, you know, it
could be orforing some posessions and it's gonna

806
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:45,760
be how many times the Celtics stop
that from happening and just be able to

807
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,440
stay in their actual base defense.
If they can stay in their base,

808
00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:52,400
which has been the theme of like
how great their defense has been not being

809
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:57,920
forced and not being dictated at all, like them setting the standards and they're

810
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,760
able to do that, it becomes
it doesn't guarante see a win, but

811
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,519
at least it guarantees it kind of
creates a situation where it's now, okay,

812
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,800
it's making myths at this stage,
Like it doesn't mean STEP's not going

813
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,880
to score over Marcus marsh who over
a seven drop forty can and will probably

814
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:15,000
least one game this series, but
it's gonna be like is that gonna be

815
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:19,119
one game this series or two?
Is is there gonna be one Jordan Pool

816
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:22,000
game? And how many click times
games are gonna do? I think the

817
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:24,079
more, they're able to stay in
their base and whatever. We're just saying

818
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:29,320
their initial matchups. Uh, and
then you know they can test like crazy

819
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,360
fly by can tests have to be
really important. Some of the Bucks do

820
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,320
really well that the Celtics have done, I've done well, Like in first

821
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,360
I think their wings do really well. I don't think their guards do it

822
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,079
as much, but they're guards gonna
need to do that as well too,

823
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:43,840
even when they get beat on these
screens, it's gonna take forty eight minutes.

824
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,199
Man. The Warriors. The Warriors
can score, like you're saying,

825
00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:49,519
at any time. It can come
in droves. The Celtics are used to

826
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:53,480
like coughing up leads in droves.
So there's you know, there's there's there's

827
00:50:53,559 --> 00:50:58,440
there's you know, there's some chemistry
for like some really bad stuff to happen.

828
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,039
But I didn't realize that. You
know, the Warriors do turn the

829
00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:04,239
ball over as much as the Celtics
do too as well. Like actually they're

830
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,840
I think Warriors term for present its
fifteen. Boston is fourteen point six,

831
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,800
so they're like they're they're right there
in terms of you know, giving each

832
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,840
other the ball. So I think
we'll see some crazy games where it's like

833
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,800
step had a crazy turnover or like
Marcus you know, shot at three of

834
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,719
like thirteen seconds lest so they could
have moved the ball and that was like

835
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,920
a turnover. And then are not
so like they're prone to make those mistakes

836
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:30,320
and stuff like that. But if
the series starts becoming about like you know,

837
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,159
the Celts have to go small,
they need to place did they need

838
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:37,199
play faster than you match the Warriors
size Warriors already won the series. You

839
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,360
start hearing that stuff. Warriors already
won the series. And it's also still

840
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,159
playing the way they want to play
with their two bigs. They're having success

841
00:51:44,159 --> 00:51:46,639
that when it's the type series,
then you know anything now it's like a

842
00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:50,840
game. Now anything is possible.
But I honestly don't know what it's going

843
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,320
to be. Rob's injuries changed that
for me. How Derek what's gonna perform.

844
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,559
How all these guys are gonna perform
in their first finals. It's kind

845
00:51:55,559 --> 00:51:59,639
of what's making me kind of teether, like I don't really know what to

846
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,400
any other things. Gary Payton the
second is just supposed to come back at

847
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:07,800
some point too, And that's just
like another defensive like the beast that you

848
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,440
have to contend with, and he's
been he's been so fantastic this year.

849
00:52:10,519 --> 00:52:14,079
He can he gives you some limitations
on offense, but like they've used him

850
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:16,599
as a screener when he's on the
floor, and so like there's just the

851
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:22,360
Warriors seem I think when you look
at the top end talent, like the

852
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,159
Celtics have like these just seven really
good players that would be near the top

853
00:52:25,199 --> 00:52:30,119
of rotation in every other team's rotation, But the Warriors definitely have like some

854
00:52:30,199 --> 00:52:32,800
more depth, and it feels like
maybe it is adaptability to the way that

855
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,880
they're going to play. You did
mention though, and I think the two

856
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,719
I don't know if they're misconceptions or
things that just aren't talked about enough.

857
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:42,920
Everyone just assumes like the Warriors are
this like super incredible, high volume three

858
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,800
point shooting team because they have Stephan
Clay, but they do real damage from

859
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,360
the mid range of points. And
then they also just don't protect the ball.

860
00:52:47,519 --> 00:52:51,400
They haven't, like ever since this
dynastic run. I just feel like

861
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,440
they don't like I feel like they
haven't protected the ball really well, like

862
00:52:53,519 --> 00:52:57,480
in really any given season. So
I do think that's something that could turn

863
00:52:57,519 --> 00:53:00,159
this series on its head as well
as if one team is just better it

864
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:04,599
making like not even like they're being
disrupted in this complicated fashion, but if

865
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:07,199
you're just gonna cherish the possession or
protect them all a little bit better,

866
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,280
that could be a turning point in
certain games. We do get to the

867
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,960
cookie cutter portion of this podcast now
though, who are you? Who are

868
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,840
your ex factors for for either side? We talked, We talked a little

869
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:22,760
bit about it. I would say
one person that we didn't talk about that

870
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:27,840
I think could end up having some
type of you know, Payton Pritchard.

871
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,400
I think Payton Pritchard, he's undersized
a lot of times. You know,

872
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:35,320
he doesn't always play. I think
it was telling that in Game seven he

873
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,719
didn't play at all, because that's
for me, that's when coaches really show

874
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,639
you who they trust in Game seven. So it's telling for me that Duncan

875
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:45,519
Robinson didn't play ninety million Duncan Robinson, and it was very it was already

876
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:49,239
telling that, you know, paying
Printon didn't play for me. But with

877
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,800
that being said, this it's a
different team to the different matchup. I

878
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:58,679
think they'll try to steal some Payton
matchups. So even though he's undersized offensively,

879
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:00,639
Warriors are, Warriors are not.
I don't think the worst is a

880
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:05,199
team that's going to punish him much
for his size. And he's a guy

881
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,320
that does play hard on defense.
He does trying to navigate screens. He

882
00:54:07,519 --> 00:54:10,960
is there a lot of times.
It's just like you can't do nothing when

883
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:15,159
it's a six one six two guys. But if you're defending Steph, you're

884
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,400
and you're defending Jordan and you have
the speed and some stuff to match them,

885
00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:21,719
then the other end, you're making
them defend because you can pull up

886
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,960
from thirty yourself. I think having
that kind of just just just having that

887
00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:30,239
kind of outlet was really was really
nice for Tatum during the year. He

888
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,760
had some nice ones against Warriors himself
in the regular season. And I think

889
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:37,119
he's someone that you know, like
if he starts shooting and he starts really

890
00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:40,039
like making the words have to pay
attention to him, it could change how

891
00:54:40,199 --> 00:54:44,679
like they're how they defend Tatum Brown
and stuff like that when they're on the

892
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,280
court. Who Prichard and stuff like
that, and sonn or remember it's like

893
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:52,199
the Tatum Pritchard dynamic was really good
in the regular season. It's just that

894
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:53,760
we played a lot of teams of
a lot of great size and a lot

895
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,639
of great players that you know,
have kind of made it like, you

896
00:54:57,679 --> 00:55:00,400
know, let's play Derek White his
defense a little more about table Grant's versatilities

897
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,840
little more valuable, size them more
valuable. But again against some of the

898
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,559
words, that doesn't necessarily overwhelm you
with that type of size or of that

899
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:13,000
type of that with physicality. I
think Richard has a chance to make an

900
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,519
impact in this series. So he
would be my first X factor. Wiggins

901
00:55:16,599 --> 00:55:20,480
would be my second one because I
think the Celtics aren't going to test to

902
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,480
be about that life. I think
they're gonna put Rob on him to start

903
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,840
just to see, you know,
can he take advantage of this book,

904
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:30,559
of this matchup or not? Can
you can you not? If he can,

905
00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:34,119
he be the guy that actually slows
down a player like Jaylen Brown and

906
00:55:34,199 --> 00:55:37,920
Jayson Tatum and like do it consistently
over a seven game series. If he

907
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:39,119
doesn't look, if he doesn't look
like he's up to the moment, that

908
00:55:39,159 --> 00:55:43,719
does put a little bit of a
like like a hamper and how golden they

909
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:47,760
can can proceed and I'm neces really
interested in how Andrew Wiggins is gonna respond

910
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:52,119
because this could be like this could
be a it has a type of series

911
00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:55,199
where he has like a really great
series. I don't think we remember who

912
00:55:55,320 --> 00:56:00,400
the Andrew Wiggins wasn't Minnesota. I
think that kind of part of his narrative

913
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,960
kind of goes away and he just
from him like this NBA champion great two

914
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:07,519
way defend their eggy two point.
No, it's a really big leg the

915
00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:10,320
serience for him and how he's viewed, I think just career wise as well,

916
00:56:10,519 --> 00:56:14,280
and he would be he would be
my second X factor, and I

917
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:15,840
don't want to take them off from
you, so I'll just leave those two.

918
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,000
You know, I probably haven't given
I guess because I've been so impressed

919
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,840
with Wiggins, and you mentioned that
Luka Danji still got his last series.

920
00:56:24,039 --> 00:56:28,440
Willgans made life so difficult on him. But I guess what I didn't give

921
00:56:28,519 --> 00:56:30,079
enough consideration too, is that if
you put him on like if he's gonna

922
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:34,480
guard take him a ton and it
just doesn't work, Like you're putting yourself

923
00:56:34,519 --> 00:56:36,320
in a position where it's like,
Okay, well where do you go from

924
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,480
here? Like are we pulling Draymond
out of like the I don't want to

925
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:42,320
oversimplifies his role and say the free
safety role, but like if you decide

926
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,480
that he needs to defend like one
of the wings more often, that changes

927
00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:47,760
the dynamic of your defense, and
so he is hyper important. My pick

928
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:52,119
for the Warriors was actually Oddo Porter
Jr. Because I do think that there,

929
00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:54,679
and I love Kavan Looney, he's
been so good. I just don't

930
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:59,559
think he's a matchup advantage for them. It feels like a matchup neutral for

931
00:56:59,599 --> 00:57:01,920
the Warrior, And so the response
would be try and downsize. And I

932
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:06,119
know that that's with the Pool lineup, but we've seen some like where Otto

933
00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:09,480
Porter and Draymond Green are your front
court if you're able to those minutes,

934
00:57:09,519 --> 00:57:13,119
are able to do really well,
or if you're even if you have to

935
00:57:13,199 --> 00:57:15,559
use him to go after like Tatum
or Brown, like just because they're gonna

936
00:57:15,559 --> 00:57:19,880
be stretches where Gary Payton the second
can guard up, but he's also really

937
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,559
small. What if Andrew Wiggins isn't
playing too all on there, that's not

938
00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:25,840
Those aren't matchups that you necessarily want
to throw Clay onto. Maybe Jayon Brown,

939
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,679
but definitely not Jason Tatum, I
would think, and so he feels

940
00:57:29,679 --> 00:57:34,280
like someone who is going to be
could become critical throughout the series at both

941
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,480
ends for the Warriors and for the
Celtics. I think I just default to

942
00:57:37,039 --> 00:57:39,840
Derek White. And maybe I'm like
because I was as you were talking,

943
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:44,239
it's like, what's the way to
buy Peyton Pritchard more minutes in this series?

944
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:45,760
I know you mentioned you're not worried
about the Warrior's lack of physicality,

945
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:50,000
but is it like, okay,
if Pools on the court or if you

946
00:57:50,039 --> 00:57:52,599
know, if Gary Payton the seconds
on the court, like because those give

947
00:57:52,679 --> 00:57:57,239
him like some type of smaller bodies
to defend. I would just be curious

948
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,880
as to what you think is like
the optimal situation to deploy him in.

949
00:58:01,519 --> 00:58:06,039
Yeah, I would definitely say like
you definitely you would you try to pick

950
00:58:06,119 --> 00:58:09,880
like the like the Gary Payton times
when pulls in the lineup and you know,

951
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,440
like I've seen this, I don't
think the Celthings will try putting him

952
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,679
on bigger guys they've done in a
regular season guys that maybe just like three

953
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,239
or d they have some inches on
him. But I think you know that's

954
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,679
not that's not a winning strategy because
in the playoffs, eventually at some point

955
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,639
coaches just tell those guys start crashing
and then they you know, they start

956
00:58:25,639 --> 00:58:30,840
creating second chance art betweenies that way. So I think you're right. Definitely,

957
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,039
the definitely the Gary Payton minutes would
be would be time to put him

958
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:37,079
in. I think you've tested at
least even when pulls in and just see

959
00:58:37,159 --> 00:58:39,840
like okay, like can he stay
in front of him? Because you know,

960
00:58:40,039 --> 00:58:43,440
I imagine pulls in me and Play
is gonna be in, Derek White's

961
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,559
gonna be guarding maybe you know,
play or something, and at least either

962
00:58:45,679 --> 00:58:49,280
at least to start. So I
think you know you can put him in

963
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,320
and see being in survived. If
you can't, you do what you've been

964
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,760
doing, play your seven man lineup. You ask more Derek, you ask

965
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:58,280
more Grant and stuff like that.
But I think his shooting and what it

966
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,480
could potentially do to the series makes
it at least you know you have to

967
00:59:01,519 --> 00:59:04,960
at least see if he could be
someone that could be a factor for you.

968
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:07,760
That's how I feel, a sneaky
X factor that definitely can't count.

969
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:12,679
But Draymond Green's offense, it seemed
like they figured out how to use him

970
00:59:12,719 --> 00:59:16,400
finally in that last game against Dallas
where it was like he wasn't clogging up

971
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:20,079
like the middle of the floor,
like he was off to the side and

972
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,159
it wasn't really the dunker spot,
but he was just around the hoop or

973
00:59:22,199 --> 00:59:27,079
he was setting screens, set the
screens away from the ball, and I'm

974
00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:29,920
just curious to see, like,
you know, he's been bad at points

975
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:31,480
off actively during the post and there's
no other like he's a fantastic player,

976
00:59:31,519 --> 00:59:35,280
but he's just been bad on offense. And no, I don't expect him

977
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,760
to hit, you know, I
think he hit two threes or order three

978
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,519
in that game. But the Celtics
gonna be completely disinterested in him if you

979
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:42,960
have him not even beyond the three
point line. But just like in the

980
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,920
top of the key, that's not
something they're gonna care about. And so

981
00:59:45,039 --> 00:59:49,760
the way they use him and whether
he's willing to take those floaters or drive

982
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,280
by guys an attack open space,
that feels like you could go a long

983
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:57,800
way towards optimizing Golden State's offense against
a defense where no, I don't expect

984
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,960
him to shut down the Warriors,
but this is this is by I mean,

985
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,079
I don't want to all credit in
the world of the Grizzlies. This

986
01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:05,840
is by far the best defense that
Golden state his face in the playoffs.

987
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,559
Oh yeah, for sure. And
you know the playing in my dreamond Is.

988
01:00:08,599 --> 01:00:12,320
I know he has had some really
tough stretches, but I think the

989
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,159
Celtics honestly, when you put taintum
on him, I'm not playing with a

990
01:00:15,199 --> 01:00:17,559
lot of space like he has above
the top of the key. I don't

991
01:00:17,559 --> 01:00:22,199
want him sitting there studying your defense, dissecting where to go, breaking it

992
01:00:22,239 --> 01:00:25,079
down. I just think over the
course of the series, he's gonna figure

993
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:29,400
it out. So I think if
you put taintum on him, because when

994
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,320
he's in those situations, I want
him guarding up on him. I want

995
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:35,719
him guarding the ball. I want
him trying to force force quick decisions.

996
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,719
And I don't I don't believe that
Dreamond can blow by him score consistently enough.

997
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,079
That makes that to make that scary. So if you're the boss,

998
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:45,519
if you're bosson like in those situations
like yeah, you're definitely like playing off

999
01:00:45,639 --> 01:00:49,840
in some situations like when you when
you can clearly tell he's maybe like a

1000
01:00:50,239 --> 01:00:52,920
like a dummy in the action,
maybe all the way off on the weak

1001
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,800
side, or if he's on the
weak side like Dunger spot maybe you you

1002
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,960
you keep it on him, but
like you're watching the action. But I

1003
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,800
still wouldn't. I would never give
him on Green to twenty Allen action.

1004
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:05,159
He's just too smart and too pidole
to their team. And we've seen how

1005
01:01:05,159 --> 01:01:07,760
many times he's used that to just
create open looks for stuff, open looks

1006
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,880
for play, Like all right,
all right, so you're not gonna guard

1007
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:15,159
me stuff, come here, quoka
quick screen open three real quick. So

1008
01:01:15,199 --> 01:01:17,400
it's like, I don't want him
being able to like dissect and learn and

1009
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:22,159
figure out something sleeping because as great
as it's been, I mean, he

1010
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:27,039
is one of the greatest minds in
NBA history. He will figure this Celtics

1011
01:01:27,159 --> 01:01:30,559
team out at some point, so
I'll just have to hopefully win before that.

1012
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:34,000
That's why I bring you on here, because I never thought standing off

1013
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,400
of Draymond Green would give him time
to just dissect your defense for future possession.

1014
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,360
It's just not something that occurred to
me. What is your official prediction

1015
01:01:40,679 --> 01:01:45,119
for this series? The ultra cookie
Cutter part of this podcast, Oh so

1016
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:49,360
I'm gonna off top. I think
this alt lose game one. It's just

1017
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,000
first game in the finals. It's
a it's an oracle. Those are the

1018
01:01:52,039 --> 01:01:55,199
guys. Don't lose game one,
so they'll they're don't purr usual like last

1019
01:01:55,199 --> 01:01:59,519
season is to start off one,
uh from there, though, I think

1020
01:01:59,559 --> 01:02:01,719
they can pull it off in seven. Seven to me sometimes feels like what

1021
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,960
I say when it's a toss up
like fifty fo I don't really know,

1022
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,599
but I have confidence in them.
I don't have confidence that they can close

1023
01:02:07,639 --> 01:02:10,760
it out at six, which wouldn't
my rope prediction. You know, if

1024
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:14,559
something were a little bit more mature
of how they handle the heat, I

1025
01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:15,480
maybe would have been a little more
spicy and been like, all right,

1026
01:02:15,519 --> 01:02:17,800
I think I can. I think
they beat them at six, but they

1027
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:22,280
could have closed the deal on a
Friday night in their hometown and then almost

1028
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,360
lost up thirteam of three minutes left. So they're they're still a young team

1029
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:29,079
that's still figuring out how to win, and they're getting lucky breaks, which

1030
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:32,639
is good for the mental But I
still think it's gonna They're not gonna make

1031
01:02:32,679 --> 01:02:36,599
this easy. It's gonna be the
hardest possible way they can possibly win.

1032
01:02:37,159 --> 01:02:42,880
I do think their defensive physicality can
can wear can wear on the Warrior shooters

1033
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,239
over the over a series. More
so guys like playing Pool. People usually

1034
01:02:46,239 --> 01:02:50,119
pick on stuff with that, but
I don't think. I think step is

1035
01:02:50,119 --> 01:02:52,000
gonna. I think Steff is ready, you know what I mean. I

1036
01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:53,599
think Steff is ready for it.
I think a guy like Pool, it's

1037
01:02:53,639 --> 01:02:58,199
his first series, he could you
know, his first finals play still coming

1038
01:02:58,199 --> 01:03:00,239
back and has his moments where like
he looks like play, but then you

1039
01:03:00,239 --> 01:03:04,599
know he saw times that it's not
fully there yet, especially with like the

1040
01:03:04,639 --> 01:03:09,519
lateral quickness and defense. So I
think that the physicality part over a semi

1041
01:03:09,519 --> 01:03:13,000
game series, and they don't,
you know, blow a game, blow

1042
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,480
again that they shouldn't and create two
intermountable series lead. I think that over

1043
01:03:16,519 --> 01:03:20,639
a semi game series they can tire
them. I think can tire the Warriors

1044
01:03:20,679 --> 01:03:23,760
out and win in seven. But
you know there's still more if I mean,

1045
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:28,119
there's more realities which the Warriors win, and I can't imagine reality with

1046
01:03:28,159 --> 01:03:30,159
somethings don't win anything but seven,
so they'd be out. Maybe you know

1047
01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:34,719
when you're then when your best team
in the finals you don't pick against them,

1048
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,840
I can't pick. I can't do
it. I cannot pick against them.

1049
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,280
So cethings and seven, I wouldn't
expect you too, but don't worry.

1050
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:44,920
I did. I was considering.
I thought, I thought so.

1051
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,679
I was initially going with Warriors in
six, but I think that I was

1052
01:03:47,719 --> 01:03:52,440
just too low on some of the
like the way that Boston's offense devolved with

1053
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:57,760
leads or later in games. Their
defense is just so good and this team

1054
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,199
is just like they've responded really well
for them most part to their losses to

1055
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,239
this postseason. So I think it's
just going to be one of those true

1056
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:08,159
chess matches. I'm very curious to
see, you know, they're I think

1057
01:04:08,159 --> 01:04:10,800
they're gonna make life tough ron Klay
Thompson then any of the other teams we've

1058
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,280
seen, and he's like, yeah, he's had his moments, but he's

1059
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,119
every All of his shots now look
like they're you know when you push somebody

1060
01:04:16,119 --> 01:04:19,639
in a pool, Like he's just
so off balanced on them now is like

1061
01:04:19,719 --> 01:04:24,719
his new thing. So I this
this series is going to fascinate me endlessly.

1062
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,440
But I have I have Warriors in
in seven. So I did talk

1063
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,039
myself into into seven there. But
you could convince me that either of these

1064
01:04:31,079 --> 01:04:34,039
teams win. I think I'm just
defaulting to the experience. And I do

1065
01:04:34,119 --> 01:04:39,079
think that Golden State's offense is going
to end up having more answers for Boston's

1066
01:04:39,079 --> 01:04:42,840
defense than vice versa in the long
run. And nothing that A lot of

1067
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,360
the stuff that Boston did on offense
during the Heat series at points, it

1068
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,199
did nothing to to convince me otherwise. Yeah, I mean, the half

1069
01:04:48,239 --> 01:04:51,559
court offen is the thing for Boston, and you know, right now we

1070
01:04:51,639 --> 01:04:56,360
are relying on a lot of we
have stretches where we could when we play

1071
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,800
with pace and we look, you
know, like serious, but we haven't

1072
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,960
don forty eight minutes. The three
point shooting, you know, against teams

1073
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:06,039
that can switch definitely declines a lot. But I think with a very big

1074
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:11,440
difference between the Bucks versus the Heat
and I think versus now the Warriors when

1075
01:05:11,679 --> 01:05:15,639
that can switch, just as well
as Miami when when a team can switch

1076
01:05:15,639 --> 01:05:19,199
against us, we're very quick to
go into ISO sometimes. And I think

1077
01:05:19,239 --> 01:05:21,880
though the Celts have gotten a little
bit better and at least, you know,

1078
01:05:23,199 --> 01:05:27,159
I've seen Tatum starting to make second
movements now after after the initial pass

1079
01:05:27,199 --> 01:05:30,239
and getting Iso pass it outside just
standing there, spacing out, move around,

1080
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,639
trying to try to get in the
paint, trying to keep moving off

1081
01:05:32,639 --> 01:05:35,960
the actions. I think Bucks in
Miami basically like made that the only way

1082
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:40,239
he could, you know, get
in rhythms at some points. And I

1083
01:05:40,239 --> 01:05:44,480
think they're gonna have to do that
a lot because the Warriors are the Warriors,

1084
01:05:44,639 --> 01:05:46,639
you know, are infamous for their
ability to continue to play after they

1085
01:05:46,679 --> 01:05:49,239
passed the ball, which is something
that's something gonna have to get used to

1086
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,679
as well, because I don't think
any of no other team doesn't as well

1087
01:05:51,719 --> 01:05:55,719
as them. So yeah, it's
it's gonna be a dog bite, man.

1088
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,360
I think it's it's a great it's
two great styles. I think the

1089
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,960
someths I've been trying to build something
like the Warriors have for a very long

1090
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,960
time. I think this is their
their best version of it, and I'm

1091
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:09,840
looking forward to seeing how it competes
against the world. Thing. This should

1092
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,400
be It should be a lot of
fun. It better be a lot of

1093
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,719
fun because we deserve it. After
how many blowouts there were, like towards

1094
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,159
the end of the second round through
the conference finals, Alex are you able

1095
01:06:18,159 --> 01:06:23,719
to tell our listeners where they can
follow you on social media? Yes?

1096
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:28,639
I could be followed at my last
name. Hey you end you on the

1097
01:06:28,719 --> 01:06:32,239
score NBA, where you can find
tons of Celtics talk. I've I've I've

1098
01:06:32,239 --> 01:06:35,159
been so happy with the team.
I haven't been in my normal class talking,

1099
01:06:35,239 --> 01:06:39,559
so I'm not you know, I'm
not as crazy anymore, but I'll

1100
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:42,599
still give some good stats and you
know, and take here in there so

1101
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,679
you know Finals time. There's a
lot of great follows, including the guy

1102
01:06:45,679 --> 01:06:47,960
I listening too now, but you
know I'm here, I'm one of them,

1103
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,199
so give me a follow. Yes, follow. Alex does a great

1104
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:56,159
job tweeting about not just the Celtics
but the entire NBA. Thank you so

1105
01:06:56,239 --> 01:06:59,679
much for coming on. I hope
you'll allow me to bother you again over

1106
01:06:59,719 --> 01:07:01,599
the all season. But first,
we have a best of seven final series

1107
01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:04,559
that I would not have even come
close to predicting in the middle of this

1108
01:07:04,639 --> 01:07:09,920
year given how the Celtics were playing. So I'm looking I'm looking forward to

1109
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:14,079
it a ton. Thanks once more
for coming on, Alex meyfound Dan. Thank you