1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:31,640 Hi, everyone, Welcome to the show. Unfortunately, this is not going 2 00:00:31,719 --> 00:00:35,759 to be a live show. These are early reruns. Um. I say 3 00:00:36,359 --> 00:00:40,079 plural reruns, because if you are a supporter of the show, you're going 4 00:00:40,119 --> 00:00:44,799 to be hearing um both the hour one and hour two. Hour one will 5 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:52,759 be doctor Robert Farrell on his idea of possible propulsion of UFOs. It's it's 6 00:00:52,799 --> 00:00:58,039 interesting. This is back in two thousand and twelve, May of twenty and 7 00:00:58,039 --> 00:01:02,560 twelve when I recorded with him, and then in the second hour again, 8 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:07,319 if you're a supporter Stanton Friedman, it's the very first interview I did with 9 00:01:07,439 --> 00:01:12,239 him of that same year, in March of twenty twelve. So I'm sorry. 10 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,560 I am on the road this week and there was just no way I 11 00:01:15,599 --> 00:01:19,719 could get a prerecorded show with a guest. I had a cancelation and I 12 00:01:19,879 --> 00:01:25,280 just couldn't make it happen. But anyway, we'll be back next week with 13 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:30,200 William Grobowtski. So for right now, our one here, doctor Robert Farrell. 14 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,560 Hi, everyone, I have doctor Robert Eve Farrell on Skype. How 15 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,560 you doing, doctor Farrell. I'm doing fine, Thank you, thanks for 16 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,519 joining us, and let's talk quickly about you have a new book that's out 17 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,239 and it's on the bestsellers list right. Well, actually I have three books 18 00:02:00,239 --> 00:02:05,680 that made the bestseller list. The first two are novels. First one could 19 00:02:05,719 --> 00:02:09,599 being Alien Log, the second one is Alien Log to the New World Order. 20 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:14,879 And then the third book is non fiction and that's the Science behind Alien 21 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,360 Encounters, and that just came out this year. I like the title of 22 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:22,879 that actually a lot, because I think I think science does not look at 23 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:30,000 UFOs and not too hard anyway as of yet. And you have some amazing 24 00:02:30,199 --> 00:02:37,159 insight on how they propel themselves, which I guess is probably the number one 25 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,439 question that comes up. How do they get here? If they can, 26 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:44,639 if they're limited to light speed? How can they make a right angle turn 27 00:02:45,759 --> 00:02:47,800 at two thousand miles an hour? And stuff like that. Can you explain 28 00:02:47,879 --> 00:02:53,759 your your theories on that. Yeah. When I became a believer, which 29 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,719 was so long ago, I don't even remember, you know, I've always 30 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,639 believed that there had to be other life out there, just the vastness, 31 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:05,759 and astronomers are beginning to believe that there may be more planets in our galaxy 32 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,199 than there are stars, So certainly it makes sense, and I don't think 33 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:14,759 I've ever heard anyone argue lately that there isn't other life out there. And 34 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,280 given the range of life of stars, are our stars kind of in the 35 00:03:17,319 --> 00:03:22,840 middle of its life. There's got to be stars with planets in the habitable 36 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:27,360 zone that are perhaps a billion years or more older than us. So therefore 37 00:03:27,439 --> 00:03:30,439 there's got to be intelligence out there that's way beyond us in their technology, 38 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:36,039 and therefore would have craft that could be flying around and people report. So, 39 00:03:36,159 --> 00:03:38,439 okay, I accept the fact that there's life out there and probably they 40 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:43,960 are visiting us. Then the question is how can they do some of these 41 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:51,159 things? And the hundred g acceleration and right angle turns really led me to 42 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,719 understand how they do that, because there's only one way they can do that, 43 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:58,240 in my opinion, There's only one way they could accelerate in one hundred 44 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,199 gs without damage to the vehicle or the occupants, and that is they're using 45 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:08,159 gravitational field propulsion. Because if you're using gravity field propulsion, whether it's a 46 00:04:08,199 --> 00:04:13,319 negative field or a positive field, you are simply free falling into or away 47 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:17,199 from that field. It's analogous to jumping out of a plane if you were 48 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:24,240 in an airplane flying over Jupiter or some large planet that has let's say fifty 49 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,439 times the polar gravity, and you jump out of the plane. You're going 50 00:04:27,439 --> 00:04:31,120 to free fall toward that planet, but you'll have no sensation of acceleration. 51 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,519 Just as our astronauts float in space when they do a spacewalk, they are 52 00:04:35,519 --> 00:04:41,199 actually accelerating toward our planet at about one G. If they were circling some 53 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,480 other larger planet, it would be a higher G force. But yet they're 54 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,600 free falling. So if you have the ability to create this field that you 55 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,399 either fall into or fall away from, you just point the field in the 56 00:04:51,399 --> 00:04:55,959 direction you want to go, and you accelerate in that direction, but you 57 00:04:55,959 --> 00:04:59,079 don't even realize you're accelerating. And if you want to make a right angle 58 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,759 turn, you point the field at right angles and you you start free falling 59 00:05:02,759 --> 00:05:06,240 in that direction. And I'm not claiming they make exactly right angle turns, 60 00:05:06,399 --> 00:05:10,879 there's no evidence for that, but it's near right angle. It's certainly a 61 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:15,199 sharper turn than we can we can imagine our planes or our pilots surviving. 62 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:21,639 So the fact is that there's only one way they can propel themselves. That 63 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:27,120 way and that's with gravitational fields, and there's other evidence to support that, 64 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,879 and I can talk about that right now if you'd like, or we can. 65 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:35,800 Okay, um, well, let's see other evidence that they are using 66 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:44,439 gravitational fields, and more specifically negative gravitational fields. I've given over sixty lectures 67 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,079 on this object. And one of the slides that I show is two shots, 68 00:05:48,079 --> 00:05:54,240 two photographs taken by the same photographer, maybe a minute apart or maybe 69 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,519 ten seconds apart, I don't know, but it's a UFO over a field 70 00:05:57,759 --> 00:06:00,199 and it's cooking up dust. You can see the dusk being kicked up from 71 00:06:00,199 --> 00:06:06,800 the field and underneath the craft in a circular area, there's a zone that 72 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:12,560 seems to be clear of the dust. Well, if you imagine that they 73 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:16,120 are creating a negative gravitational field, it would be expelling anything in that zone. 74 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,160 Is that negative fields giving the lift to the to the craft, but 75 00:06:21,199 --> 00:06:29,240 it's also expelling everything underneath it, including air. So there's two shoes photographs 76 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,439 of that, and in both of them you can see this same event. 77 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,600 So if you now say, okay, maybe they use negative fields, what's 78 00:06:35,639 --> 00:06:41,759 what other evidence is for that? Well, people who have UFOs fly over 79 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:46,959 their head low low over their head have often reported that they've had this feeling 80 00:06:46,959 --> 00:06:51,519 of being pressed down well because of the negative field. Another thing that supports 81 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:59,240 that is there have been occasions where people have come upon a UFO or onto 82 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,399 the area where UFO had been seen hovering over a shallow body of water, 83 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,600 and when they got there, the body of water was frozen. So how 84 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:11,000 do they do that? Really? Yeah, well, if they have a 85 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:15,079 negative field under the craft. Because they're hovering low over this body of water, 86 00:07:15,319 --> 00:07:18,319 I don't know, maybe a foot above the surface. All the air 87 00:07:18,759 --> 00:07:23,759 is being expelled underneath them, creating a low pressure region. And you know 88 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,639 what happens to water when you lower the pressure, The water begins to evaporate 89 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:32,519 very fast. It might even start boiling. But the evaporation process carries heat 90 00:07:32,519 --> 00:07:35,839 away from that body of water. That's the whole principle of evaporative cooling. 91 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:41,120 Eventually enough heat is taken away from that body of water that it freezes. 92 00:07:41,839 --> 00:07:46,879 So that's again evidence that they have a negative field. Another possibility for negative 93 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:50,560 field would be the fact that they can travel thousands of miles an hour without 94 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:58,800 creating a shockwave. Right now, we create shockwaves with our aircraft because the 95 00:07:58,879 --> 00:08:01,639 way we transmit this signal ahead of the plane to tell molecules to get out 96 00:08:01,639 --> 00:08:07,519 of the way is through a pressure wave higher pressure, and that signal can 97 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,560 only travel at the speed of sound, no faster. So if the airplane 98 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:16,519 reaches the speed of sound, then it's not signaling advanced notice that it's coming, 99 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,279 and the air molecules crash up against the craft and create a shock wave. 100 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:24,720 But if you had a way to forewarn these molecules that you're coming and 101 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,399 give them enough time to get out of the way, a way to do 102 00:08:28,439 --> 00:08:33,799 this using something that is faster than the speed of sound, like like a 103 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:39,000 gravitational fields. It's actually faster than talk about that later, but it's been 104 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:41,840 measured at being faster than the speed of light. But at any rate, 105 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:46,159 it's certainly fast enough that these molecules now have time to get out of the 106 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,799 way and you don't create a shock wave. And in fact, the air 107 00:08:50,799 --> 00:08:58,279 flow around the craft is what aerodynamesis would refer to as a pure rotational flow. 108 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,279 Another way, it's very low drag, so not only do they not 109 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,399 create a shockway, but they don't really have as much drag on them as 110 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:11,679 our craft would have. So something has been measured. Has this been peer 111 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:18,120 reviewed? Over the speed of light? Well, that gets into another subject, 112 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,600 and I'd like to reserve that if I couldn't as far as the faster 113 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:26,279 than the speed of light, because if we want to discuss Eugene put Klutonoff's 114 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:33,120 research over in Finland where he's actually producing gravitational fields, and he's the one 115 00:09:33,159 --> 00:09:37,519 that measured the speed of his negative pulse at sixty four c sixty four times 116 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:43,399 the speed of light. And I can't say that's been peer reviewed. He's 117 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:46,480 he's published, and in fact I think he's coming out with an article soon 118 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,159 in regards to his research. But he's been doing this research for years. 119 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,480 In fact, NASA and Boeing we're interested in it. And my understanding was 120 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:03,000 that NASA tried to duplicate his work, but because they weren't using superconductors of 121 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:07,080 the appropriate size, they weren't able to get good results. Now, one 122 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:13,639 of put Glenna's specialties is material science. That's what he develops a superconductors. 123 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:20,960 So he's developed in me a way of creating a relatively large ceramics superconductor that's 124 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,720 on the order of four inches in diameter and it will withstand up to thirty 125 00:10:24,759 --> 00:10:31,120 thousand rpm rotation speed, and that's critical in his mind to create significant amount 126 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:37,120 of gravitational fields. But so he's the one that measured the sixty four s 127 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,639 and I have corresponded with him, and I asked him to describe how he 128 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,360 measured that, and he did tell me, but he asked me not to 129 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,919 elaborate because there was an article that was going to be coming out soon and 130 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:54,080 he didn't want to violate his deal with the publisher. Can you explain to 131 00:10:54,320 --> 00:11:05,600 the lay person out there how someone might possibly create gravitational fields? Yeah, 132 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:07,559 when I'm going to start with the theory, and the theory goes all the 133 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:13,759 way back to Einstein. When he created his general theory of relativity, he 134 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:20,120 recognized that there was an interaction between electromagnetic fields and which is light, and 135 00:11:20,279 --> 00:11:24,679 gravitational fields, and in fact, that allowed him to predict that a beam 136 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,440 of light from a star, for instance, when it passes the rim of 137 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:33,399 the Sun, would be bent because of this interaction. And he even predicted 138 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,840 that a star close to the rim would have its light bent by one point 139 00:11:37,879 --> 00:11:43,320 seven five arc seconds. And that was back in nineteen fifteen, I think, 140 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:48,879 and in nineteen nineteen, Sir Arthur Eddington went on an expedition and during 141 00:11:48,919 --> 00:11:54,240 the solar eclipse and actually proved Einstein to be correct. So the theory says 142 00:11:54,399 --> 00:12:03,639 that there is this interaction between electromagnetic fields gravitational fields. In nineteen thirty four, 143 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:11,480 doctor Richard Tallman, who was a professor at cal Tech wrote a textbook 144 00:12:11,159 --> 00:12:16,440 and it was called Relativity, Thermodynamics and Cosmology. And in that book he 145 00:12:16,519 --> 00:12:22,440 spent several pages deriving a relationship and showed that a beam of light. Back 146 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:28,519 then they didn't have lasers, so he called it a pencil of light who 147 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:33,039 was actually twice as effective in creating a gravitational field as a particle of matter. 148 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:41,720 Recently, in twenty eleven December of twenty eleven, there was a paper 149 00:12:41,919 --> 00:12:48,679 published by Lewis Rancourt entitled the Effects of Light on Gravitational Attraction, and he 150 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:54,480 did an experiment where he shot a beam of a laser beam passed a mass 151 00:12:54,519 --> 00:13:01,039 that was suspended in a controlled environment, and he was able to detect the 152 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:07,159 fact that that laser light actually drew the mass toward it. So we had 153 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:13,919 a gravitational field attached to it, so if you were going to create a 154 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:18,120 gravitational field, you would look at how could you manipulate the electromagnetic fields. 155 00:13:18,159 --> 00:13:24,080 And in fact, in my very first novel, Alien Log, my astrophysicist 156 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,759 is talking to his boss, who happened to be a colonel, and they're 157 00:13:26,799 --> 00:13:31,759 involved in a project and they're standing next to a broken UFO and the colonel 158 00:13:31,759 --> 00:13:35,480 asked, you know, how do they work? And Corey, the astrophysicist 159 00:13:35,519 --> 00:13:39,120 is rubbing his hands over the surface of the craft and he says, well, 160 00:13:39,159 --> 00:13:45,039 I think this is a superconducting material and there's a high high current flow 161 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,799 through here, and then they're somehow manipulating a magnetic field up through there and 162 00:13:50,159 --> 00:13:52,120 somehow create that. He didn't know exactly because I don't know exactly, but 163 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:58,519 somehow creating a gravitational field. Now, there are other possible ways to do 164 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:03,320 this, and one of them was presented. I think it was around two 165 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:11,879 thousand and seven. Doctor Rajevnau and doctor Sandu co authored a paper that was 166 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:18,519 presented at the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, and that happened to be 167 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:24,320 a joint session with American Society Mechanical Engineers and the Society of Automotive Engineers and 168 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:30,679 also the Society of American Society of Electrical Engineers, and it was dealing with 169 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:35,120 propulsion, and they presented a paper that was per reviewed and talked about a 170 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:41,440 method for creating a craft that could be propelled by gravitational field. And what 171 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:46,320 they proposed was that if you could take and build some sections made out of 172 00:14:46,399 --> 00:14:54,519 parallel plates that were reflective, and you could be a very high intense electromagnetic 173 00:14:54,799 --> 00:15:00,519 field through those plates in other words, like a microwave for instance, and 174 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:05,200 as the beam bounce back and forth as reflected back and forth between these plates, 175 00:15:05,559 --> 00:15:11,559 it would shed gravitons. Now, some people don't know what graviton is, 176 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,639 and in fact, people who study gravity are I'm sure how gravity? 177 00:15:13,879 --> 00:15:16,960 You know, what makes gravity? No one really knows yet that gravitons is 178 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,600 just one one theory that there are gravitons that exchange forced. So, anyway, 179 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:28,840 if you believe gravitons is what creates gravitational fields, then as these photons 180 00:15:28,879 --> 00:15:33,919 are bouncing back and forth, they're shedding gravitons, creating a gravitational field. 181 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:39,799 And so by assembling a number of these plates and then staging. When you 182 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,559 turn them different ones on, you can kind of control the direction of the 183 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:48,080 forest in the direction that you travel with this craft. And that gets into 184 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:54,639 another question, and that is why do UFOs have different colors? People see 185 00:15:54,679 --> 00:15:58,679 them glowing this color and glowing that color or not glowing at all. And 186 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:03,120 if you follow the theory I just described, as these photons are bouncing back 187 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:07,600 and forth st in gravitons, they're losing energy, and eventually they get to 188 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:12,679 the point where the inefficiency shows up as a radiation of photons from the surface 189 00:16:12,759 --> 00:16:18,519 of these plates, and it would be a whole spectrum, but it would 190 00:16:18,559 --> 00:16:22,000 depend a lot on the energy level that the craft is operating at. So, 191 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,840 for instance, if the craft is hovering over the ground, not doing 192 00:16:25,879 --> 00:16:27,919 anything, just sitting there hovering, it would be running in a lower energy 193 00:16:29,039 --> 00:16:33,240 level and the radiation might be in the form of infrared, although there are 194 00:16:33,559 --> 00:16:38,440 sporadically sometimes when higher energy particles might be released. So you don't want to 195 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,480 go up in touch one of these things when it's running, and you don't 196 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,120 want to stand next to when very long, or you might die from radiation 197 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,200 poisoning. But generally it would be sitting there and you wouldn't see it because 198 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:52,720 it's in the infrared. But if it suddenly decides to take off and accelerate, 199 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:59,039 then of course it requires a higher energy, and it would shed a 200 00:16:59,039 --> 00:17:03,960 waste energy higher energy level and hires a level of the spectrum more toward the 201 00:17:04,039 --> 00:17:07,599 visual and the color might depend again on the energy level, and so would 202 00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:11,559 the intensity. So if they're accelerating, they might be very bright. If 203 00:17:11,559 --> 00:17:15,240 they're going very fast in the atmosphere where they have a resistance, they might 204 00:17:15,279 --> 00:17:18,400 be very bright. If on the other hand, they're going slow, they 205 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,759 wouldn't be quite as bright. They might be a different color. Now, 206 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,680 what would you if you had to guess? What would I mean? It 207 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:30,799 seems like would be electricity of some sort that would power something like this. 208 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:36,920 What would be what would be your guests on that? Well, I have 209 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,359 a bucket list of things that I want to research, and their energy sources 210 00:17:40,599 --> 00:17:45,759 is on that list. So the only thing I might mention this thing called 211 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:52,039 zero point energy that people discuss and people are researching that. Eugene put glettonoff 212 00:17:52,279 --> 00:17:57,799 in his research that he's been doing, and when he reports his results. 213 00:17:57,839 --> 00:18:04,279 One of the things that's kind of astounding this pulse, of of this gravity 214 00:18:04,279 --> 00:18:11,119 pulse that he's able to produce out of this pulse generator. UM has some 215 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,880 very interesting things about it. That number one to travel sixty four times in 216 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:19,559 speed of light. Number two he's determined that it's interaction with the surroundings, 217 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:26,920 UH requires more energy than the energy he puts into his device. So the 218 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,119 question is, well, where's all the energy coming from? Now? He 219 00:18:30,279 --> 00:18:34,759 is an experimentalist and not a theorist, as he's especially especially in his material 220 00:18:34,839 --> 00:18:41,240 science, so he doesn't know. I mean, he's perplexed too. He 221 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:49,799 suspects it possibly, UH, this this gravitational wave is somehow causing subatomic particles 222 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:55,839 to release energy. And this might be i e. Zero point energy. 223 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:00,319 I don't know, but it might be that kind of energy source that's being 224 00:19:00,519 --> 00:19:04,519 used. Because you know, whatever they do, however fast they go or 225 00:19:04,519 --> 00:19:08,039 far they go, it's going to take energy. Where does it come from? 226 00:19:08,079 --> 00:19:11,279 And I don't know? And that's like I said in my bucket list. 227 00:19:12,319 --> 00:19:19,000 If UFOs have crashed in the past, and it's they've been covered up 228 00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:26,440 as far as like the government, the military reversing engineering them or attempting to 229 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:33,359 would you think they already have this information that doctor Puck can't say his name, 230 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,759 but pud Clutnoff. I know he's a Russian, but but it's pod 231 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:42,480 k l e t nlv pud Cletoff. Do you think they already have this 232 00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:48,240 information or something very close to it. Well, I would be surprised if 233 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,279 they don't. Number one, he's been approached by Bowing aircraft years ago and 234 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,440 my NASA, And as I said, NASA has already done some experiments, 235 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:02,599 but because they didn't have the proper size equipped but they end money, they 236 00:20:02,599 --> 00:20:06,839 abandoned the research. Maybe they pass it on to the DoD. I don't 237 00:20:06,839 --> 00:20:12,880 know, but the potential is so great that I would imagine that the military 238 00:20:14,039 --> 00:20:18,400 or DoD or somebody has knowledge about it. Now, you could hand the 239 00:20:18,519 --> 00:20:22,640 blueprints to a seven forty seven to the right, brothers, that doesn't mean 240 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,519 they could build seven forty seven. And there may be some technology that we 241 00:20:26,599 --> 00:20:32,759 haven't quite learned yet, like nanotechnology that might be required to assemble some of 242 00:20:32,759 --> 00:20:36,920 the components that we just don't have that technology yet, and that might be 243 00:20:37,519 --> 00:20:42,039 one reason why maybe they haven't succeeded in creating a UFO. On the other 244 00:20:42,039 --> 00:20:45,839 hand, maybe they have. Some people think that a lot of the UFOs 245 00:20:45,839 --> 00:20:49,400 we see are actually our own craft, right right. One thing you always 246 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:56,960 hear a skeptic person say is if they can travel so many light years to 247 00:20:57,039 --> 00:21:03,559 get here, then how could they poss crash what you know here on Earth? 248 00:21:03,279 --> 00:21:07,559 What do you say about that? Well, I think there's maybe several 249 00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:14,799 reasons why they crash. But in general, if they are creating a gravitational 250 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:19,640 field as a means of propulsion, and they're using electromagnetic fields as a means 251 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:27,079 of producing that gravitational field, then a strong beam of electromagnetic energy could probably 252 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:33,000 disrupt their propulsion system. Now, radar happens to be a candidate for that, 253 00:21:33,799 --> 00:21:37,400 and as a matter of fact, the military actually developed a weapon called 254 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:45,559 the electromagnetic pulse beam weapon, which was designed to beam at aircraft and disable 255 00:21:45,599 --> 00:21:49,799 their electronics. So certainly something like that could do it. But a lot 256 00:21:49,799 --> 00:21:55,559 of the crashes have occurred in areas where a lot of research was being done 257 00:21:55,559 --> 00:22:00,759 in high powered radar, at least in the past. The craft my storyline 258 00:22:00,799 --> 00:22:04,599 in my novels is based on a crash in Kingman, Arizona that occurred in 259 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:10,519 nineteen fifty three and they didn't have high powered radar at that time in that 260 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,920 area. They weren't doing research in it any way, because I thought, 261 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,039 well, maybe they were developing gradar for the Dow line or something. But 262 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,240 it turns out that didn't seem to be the case. Now, that crash 263 00:22:22,279 --> 00:22:26,039 I attribute to the craft being too close to an atomic explosion, because I 264 00:22:26,079 --> 00:22:33,079 gotta believe when we started doing all these atomic tests out in Nevada, but 265 00:22:33,319 --> 00:22:37,480 they had craft stationed there to monitor those tests. I mean I would they 266 00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:41,400 certainly would be curious about how we're doing in this and what kind of development 267 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:47,000 we're making. And I have a scenario that I described in the prologue of 268 00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:53,279 my second book that UFO may have been there monitoring that the nuclear test that 269 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:59,680 was set off in nineteenth of May nineteen fifty three. It became known as 270 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:06,480 Dirty Harry by the way, but that craft got too close, was mortally 271 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,880 wounded, but managed to make it over to the Kingman area before it crashed. 272 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:15,960 Now that's my hypothesis. So that's another reason they might crash. And 273 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,839 sometimes they maybe christ because we shoot him down or something. I don't know 274 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:26,720 right. The theory here of the gravitational propulsion. Does it matter how much 275 00:23:26,759 --> 00:23:33,759 the object ways that is being propelled, No, So in theory, then 276 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,680 this could be something that could be used on an asteroid that's heading our way 277 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:42,559 possibly. Well, one of the things Bud cluttonoff suggested. Now, he 278 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:48,640 certainly doesn't want his research and equipment to be used for military use, but 279 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,640 he did say this beam that he can produce, which is just for it's 280 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,480 a pulse Okay, it's a very short duration of pulse, but strong enough. 281 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,519 He's actually been able to deflect a two inch thick metal plate through a 282 00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:06,200 distance of several kilometers and it passes through buildings and so forth. But he 283 00:24:06,319 --> 00:24:10,359 was suggesting that perhaps a pulse beam like this could be aimed at a satellite 284 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:15,440 to move it to a higher orbit, okay, or maybe to disable it. 285 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,319 I don't know. So it does have weapons possibilities, which which he 286 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,279 really doesn't want to have happened. That's uh, you know, that's could 287 00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:26,559 be one of the reasons why there's been such a cover up over the years 288 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:33,440 is because of the threat of national defense that these things could be used against 289 00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:38,359 us. Yeah. One thing I talk about a lot in this show is 290 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:47,640 one of the theories that people think that UFOs could possibly be interdimensional? What's 291 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:52,680 your what's your take on that? Well, you have to understand my mission 292 00:24:52,839 --> 00:24:57,240 is to try and convince lay people that UFOs and ets are a reality. 293 00:24:57,799 --> 00:25:03,240 And these people are skeptical at best, and they certainly would not go into 294 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,279 a bookstore and buy a book on UFOs, which is why I opted to 295 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:12,400 use the science fiction format. But in my lecture and in my books, 296 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:18,640 I very carefully avoid wormholes, multidimensions, and things like that. I'm not 297 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,519 saying they aren't true, because I couldn't prove whether they are or not. 298 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:29,519 But I try to explain in a manner that's a nuts and bolts manner that 299 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:36,279 anyone who's had high school physics or high school science could understand. And if 300 00:25:36,319 --> 00:25:41,680 I can explain all the phenomena of the people see UFOs do using just traditional 301 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:47,079 science, then they don't have to worry about inter dimensional travel and things like 302 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,599 that. How about when people have said they've seen them appear and disappear, 303 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,880 Well, they're cloaking themselves. And I explained that in my lectures and in 304 00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:00,799 my book, and one possible way they could do that, just like the 305 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:06,519 Klingons. Of course, is they have a very strong magnetic field around them. 306 00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:11,400 And there's testimony to that that they do have a very strong magnetic field. 307 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:17,200 Well, there was some work done. Actually, a paper was published 308 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:22,799 by doctor Thomas Herbert from the Illinois Institute of Technology. It was back in 309 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,400 nineteen sixty one and he published it in the British Journal of Nature. For 310 00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:32,079 so if any of your listeners want to research that, they have to go 311 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:37,240 to the British version of the Journal of Nature. And his paper was called 312 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:41,759 the Velocity of Light in a Magnetic Field, and this was back in sixty 313 00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:45,759 one. He was interested interested in seeing what the effect of a magnetic field 314 00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:52,079 had on the velocity of light, and he actually developed the empirical equation based 315 00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:56,880 on his studies, and the equations would report the index of refraction as a 316 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:03,799 function of the the magnetic field strength. Now, index of refraction is the 317 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,279 velocity of light in a vacuum, divided by the velocity of light as it 318 00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:14,200 passes through a substance like a piece of glass or water or whatever. And 319 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,759 you know glass has an index of refraction close to two, so that means 320 00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:23,359 the light is only traveling half as past as it does in a vacuum. 321 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,440 Well, anyway, so if you plot this, you see that it was 322 00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:33,000 a very strong magnetic field. You can create an index of refraction much greater 323 00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:34,759 than two, or even a little less than two, it doesn't matter, 324 00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:40,039 but it's enough that you can imagine it's creating a lens. And this lens 325 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,319 then is taking the light from behind the craft and bending it around so it 326 00:27:44,319 --> 00:27:47,920 comes out on the front side of the craft, and the person looking at 327 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,319 the craft doesn't see the craft. It's gone, it's been cloaked. I 328 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,119 think that I've read somewhere where the military is trying to perfect something like this. 329 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:03,119 Yeah, it's a little less sophisticated. They're using um, I think 330 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:10,559 like miniature TV cameras, if you will, and screens on a suit, 331 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,200 and maybe cameras on the back of the suit and cameras on the back of 332 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,079 the suitor are taking a look at what's behind the person and then projecting it 333 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,160 onto the screens in front of the person. So you who are looking at 334 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,680 the person don't see the person. It's like they disappear. So it's like, 335 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,319 I say, so many angles to worry about in something. Well, 336 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:30,839 yeah, I mean I probably simplified it a little bit, But I mean 337 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:36,160 that's the concept I think they're working on, and I don't. And by 338 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,039 the way, the magnetic field required to do anything significant is very large. 339 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:45,799 Probably even to get a sufficient distortion equivalent to what you would see on a 340 00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:53,000 hot summer day from the heat cries off the road would require magnetic fields. 341 00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:59,319 They're probably equal to are a little greater than our strongest fields that we've produced 342 00:28:59,359 --> 00:29:03,079 so far. But I'm not putting limits on the capabilities of you opposed to 343 00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:07,839 create a strong magnetic field. If they can do that, then they could 344 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,440 choose that. Now, there may be other means. I couldn't find any 345 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,880 research done on the same thing as far as the effect of electric fields. 346 00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:18,839 You know, electric fields might also do the same thing, but certainly magnetic 347 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,240 fields could be one possible way that they cloaked themselves. So they cloaked themselves 348 00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:29,160 in one location, move over to another location, and then reappear. Now 349 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,799 people say, oh, that's interdimensional travel. Well I can't say it isn't, 350 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,160 but I can explain it in a way that doesn't require international interdimensional travel. 351 00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:45,240 One thing in your books, you discuss the alternative to the Big Bang 352 00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:51,240 theory. Yes, I really want to talk about that, because that's always 353 00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:55,400 been a really tough one for me to swallow. I'm not a scientist, 354 00:29:55,519 --> 00:30:00,799 but what is your take on the Big Bang theory. I think the Big 355 00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:04,519 Bang theory is wrong, and it's to put it simply, it's a it's 356 00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:10,000 a misinterpretation of the data. It's interesting. Well, just last week I 357 00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:14,519 gave for the first time a new lecture that I've developed. It's called How 358 00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:18,200 the Universe Began Without a Big Bang, and it's a two hour lecture. 359 00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:23,880 It's power point. The first part is a history of the astronomy and the 360 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,519 astronomers and their machines that they used together data going all the way back to 361 00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:36,960 Copernicus and up to present time. So I go through and talk a little 362 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,920 bit about each of these astronomers and the equipment they used and the results that 363 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:44,039 they got and the tools that they developed. And then the second part is 364 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,119 talking about the Big Bang and as a way of interpreting all the data that's 365 00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:52,160 been accumulated. And then the third part is to talk about a better theory 366 00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:56,279 in my opinion, that is much better than the Big Bang theory. It 367 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:03,920 uses the same data but doesn't violate all the fundamental laws of physics that the 368 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,240 Big Bang theory violates, and I'd be glad to explain that theory if you'd 369 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,880 like, yes, would you? Okay? Well, if we start way 370 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:17,319 back in around nineteen twenty eight, a gentleman by the name of Paul Derek. 371 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:26,079 He was a physicist, an English physicist, and Paul Derrek mathematically proved 372 00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:32,680 that a particle should have antiparticles, and so then in nineteen thirty he proposed 373 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,440 that the vacuum of space was actually a sea of electrons that were counteracted by 374 00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:42,680 a sea of holes because the charge of the universe had to be neutral. 375 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,960 Later that was revised so that these holes were positive particles, and initially he 376 00:31:51,079 --> 00:31:53,079 thought maybe they were protons, but then the mass of the proton was too 377 00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:59,240 great to explain things. So it was worked out that there was a particle 378 00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:05,240 of equal mass to the electron, but off as a charge, and that 379 00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:08,599 led to the discovery of the positron, and it led to a direct getting 380 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:15,720 a Nobel Prize in nineteen thirty three. So if you imagine then this concept 381 00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:20,359 of a sea of stuff, and that's the basis of this theory. By 382 00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:22,720 the way, I did not invent this theory. I subscribe wholeheartedly to it. 383 00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:25,240 And it turns out one of my friends here in Sun City, West 384 00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:30,799 actually developed the theory, and I'm now his disciple, you might say, 385 00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:37,319 But anyway, so it was I was always trained to avoid singularities throughout my 386 00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:40,759 math courses and engineering courses. You know, whatever you do, avoid the 387 00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:45,440 singularity. And here the Big Banks starts off into singularity. So that that 388 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:50,119 turned me off right off the bat. Another thing that is a clue that 389 00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:54,480 the Big Bang theory might be wrong is the interpretation of the data that they 390 00:32:54,519 --> 00:32:58,680 have, and this is the data is good. The data says that the 391 00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:05,920 further way a galactic cluster is from us, the faster it's traveling, and 392 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,039 they Big Bang theres are forced to interpret that as acceleration. And of course, 393 00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:13,960 if you have acceleration, you need a force to create that, and 394 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,599 therefore you need energy to create the force, and therefore you need to go 395 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:21,200 find dark energy. Well, guess what, they haven't found it. So 396 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,720 that's certainly a clue that maybe they're on their own track. So those are 397 00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:30,720 a couple of things that make me believe that they're wrong. And Bobby McGehee 398 00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:34,680 is the one who developed historian. I hope someday he gets some kind of 399 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,799 an award for it. If you start off with the idea that it's much 400 00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:45,480 easier to imagine that the universe began with all the matter in place on Day 401 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:52,400 one in a different form, and that form is such that that matter can 402 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,200 be created, can be converted into energy, because to create the universe required 403 00:33:57,319 --> 00:34:00,200 a lot of energy. The universe as we see it, okay, And 404 00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:07,960 the most energetic thing we can think of is to have mass annihilation, because 405 00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:14,440 when you have too like an electron and a positron come together, you annihilate 406 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:20,199 the total mass and create photons in the form of gamma rays. So Bobby 407 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,480 imagines that the primordial universe, which extends out to infinity, is a three 408 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:30,360 dimensional matrix, if you would, or a lattice work, and at the 409 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:38,199 lattice points are positronium atoms. Positronium exists, they've been detected. What they 410 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:45,119 are is a very simple atom that's an electron orbiting a common center with a 411 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,880 positron, and they both have the same mass or the centers in between, 412 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,559 and they're spending fast enough that to some typical force keeps them away, and 413 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:59,880 there's also electric charges and electrical forces that counterbalance, and so they are in 414 00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:04,920 this matrix locked in with all these kazilion other positroniums in a stable arrangement. 415 00:35:05,679 --> 00:35:10,519 The primordial universe is absolute zero or near absolute zero, and it's a very 416 00:35:10,519 --> 00:35:16,599 stable system. Because normally positroniums are not stable. They tend to annihilate each 417 00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:23,159 other in just a fraction of a second and become photons. So in our 418 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:29,000 laboratory they're not very stable. But he visualizes that perhaps in the primordial universe 419 00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:32,840 it would be a stable structure. So if you go back about twenty four 420 00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:37,280 to thirty billion years ago, in his estimate, you could say, the 421 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:44,719 finger of God disrupted one of these positroniums and it annihilated, releasing two gamma 422 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:50,039 rays, which in turn hit two other positroniums, releasing four gamma rays and 423 00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:53,360 so on. So you can imagine you now have a chain reaction that's occurring, 424 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:59,679 and this explosion, if you want to call it, that is expanding 425 00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:05,159 at the speed of light or near the speed of light, and that he 426 00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:08,480 calls it a deflagration wave. So within this wave, it's expanding out where 427 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:13,639 it near the speed of light. There are various stages of events that are 428 00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:17,679 occurring throughout the thickness of this deflagration wave, and he estimates the thickness to 429 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,519 be two and a half billion light years, so the lock can happen within 430 00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:29,079 that time frame. But on the outer front of this deflagration wave, of 431 00:36:29,159 --> 00:36:31,960 course, photons and the form of gamma rays are being shot out and causing 432 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:38,519 the chain reaction to continue behind the wave. Eventually the photons are converted back 433 00:36:38,559 --> 00:36:45,239 into particles subatomic particles, and then eventually atoms, and then eventually molecules, 434 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:52,239 and then eventually particles that glomerate and form heavier particles. Now these particles and 435 00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:58,920 are traveling at near light speeds, so they are gravitationally enhanced according to relativity, 436 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:04,000 which causes the attraction to be even greater between these particles causes them to 437 00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:10,760 agglomerate faster. Eventually you get dust and gas that's formed mostly hydrogen, some 438 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:16,679 helium, and there are pockets where gravity is a little stronger than others, 439 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:22,280 so the dust and gas begin to collapse and form stars, and eventually out 440 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:30,199 of those galaxies form and clusters forms. So that's all occurring on this side 441 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,679 of that deflagration wave. It's speeding onward. Even as we speak. It's 442 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:39,639 way out there going on doing its thing. But what's happening inside and behind 443 00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:46,000 on our side of this wave because of the mixine that's occurring when these particles 444 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:51,039 clyde, they make Clyde off center and they start spinning. And because you 445 00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:53,679 know, you've seen pictures of galaxies that are spinning, and a lot of 446 00:37:53,679 --> 00:37:59,320 things are spinning. What's happening is the linear momentum that's originally at the wavefront 447 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:06,960 of these initial particles that are being created is being converted to angular momentum. 448 00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:10,880 What that means is the linear momentum is decreasing as the angular momentum goes up. 449 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,679 Therefore, the velocity in a linear direction is decreasing. So the closer 450 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:20,719 into us that we look at things, the slower they're moving. And wouldn't 451 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,960 you know, that's exactly what the data says. And a good analogy that 452 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:30,559 Bobby gives in that respect. First of all, as far as the deflagration 453 00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:36,039 wave is, if you if you have a room filled with methane and air, 454 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:37,840 and because you want you don't want to be in that room, you're 455 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,599 standing outside and you're looking through this thick glass window with a camera, a 456 00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:45,320 high speed camera, and you set off a spark in the middle of the 457 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,960 room. You can imagine what that high speed film camera will show you. 458 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,920 It'll be like an explosion and expanding out where it is. This bubble that's 459 00:38:52,960 --> 00:39:00,519 growing and it's very bright because it's rating energy that's continuing the explosion process. 460 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:07,280 And what's really happening is the molecules that were methane and oxygen and nitrogen are 461 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:13,000 being converted into a different form like carbon, soot and whatever behind that deflagration 462 00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:16,320 wave and being left behind. There's a lot of turbulence in the wake of 463 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:21,480 this. So that's kind of how the universe grew. But keep in mind 464 00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:24,760 that the total mass of the room doesn't change. It's just converted from one 465 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,239 form to another. And the same thing is with the universe. The total 466 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:34,719 mass of the universe was already determined by this matrix that extends out to infinity. 467 00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:39,159 So all that happens during this deflagration wave is a conversion from one form 468 00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:44,519 of matter into another. One other analogy that he gives because it's so good 469 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,320 that I have to give it. I imagine you're standing on a corner, 470 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,679 okay, and a potato truck drives by. Now, when was the last 471 00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:54,679 time you had a potato truck drive by? Anyway, he picked a potato 472 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:59,519 truck and he drives by, and you know, the potatoes are falling off 473 00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:02,079 the back that truck and it's beatyond down the road thirty miles an hour, 474 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:07,320 and it's dropping potatoes as it goes. So you have to happen to have 475 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,760 a radar gun in your pocket, you know, you always carry one of 476 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:14,239 those, and you whip it out and you take some data. You look 477 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:19,400 at the potatoes just up the road little ways and record the speed versus distance, 478 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,559 and then you keep recording data and finally you get to the ones that 479 00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:24,079 are just fallen off the truck and you're write that down, you know, 480 00:40:24,159 --> 00:40:29,280 thirty miles an hour and there's six blocks away, and then you plot this 481 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:36,400 data, okay, and the data shows that the further out the potatoes are, 482 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,599 the faster they're going. Now you don't say these are potatoes. You 483 00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:40,880 just plot the data and you hand it to someone and you say what do 484 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,239 you think of that? And they're gonna say, wow, whatever, it's 485 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,000 happening there it looks like it's accelerating. Well, you and I know it's 486 00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:55,760 not. It's decelerating as linear momentum is being transferred into angulablementum as potatoes start 487 00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,599 to tumble. So that's a good analogy. Yes, very good. Well 488 00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:06,639 we're just about out of time. A couple of quick questions. First of 489 00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:09,719 all, where can someone find your book? They can find all of my 490 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,679 books on Amazon or Barnes and Noble, or they can go to a bookstore 491 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:20,000 and order them. They're all available as paper books or ebooks. Or they 492 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,320 can go to my website which is www dot alien log that's one word, 493 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:30,920 alien log dot com and they can read about my books a little bit. 494 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:35,320 And also there's a button they can push to find out where they can buy 495 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,480 the books and take them. It links them right to Amazon if they click 496 00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:40,920 the Amazon button, right to the place where the book is. Or they 497 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,880 can go to Barnes and Noble, or they can download an order for them 498 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,159 if they want an autograph copy and mail that to me and I will sign 499 00:41:50,199 --> 00:41:52,760 the book and send it off to them. Great, And do you have 500 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,760 any future projects lined up? Yes, I'm working on alien Log three and 501 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,760 the title is Alien Log three, the Dulce Affair and for people who are 502 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:07,760 in the know as far as uphology, that conjures up some bad stuff. 503 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:14,239 The Dulce Affair, but is based on stories about the Dulce Bass in Dulce, 504 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:21,400 New Mexico and supposedly an underground base where our military is working with ets, 505 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,800 bad ets to do bad things, and my characters get involved in that. 506 00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:30,719 I saw a show on UFO Hunters about that, and when I spoke 507 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:36,280 to Bill Burns, he told me that that was one of the freak gift 508 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,320 situations that he had ever got involved in. Yes, a lot of my 509 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:45,400 research and a lot of my data, if you will, comes from a 510 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:50,440 book called UFO Highways by Anthony Sanchez, and the first half of his book 511 00:42:50,519 --> 00:42:55,320 is an interview with Colonel X, who was there, but of courses remaining 512 00:42:55,320 --> 00:43:01,719 anonymous because he's got firsthand knowledge and if he starts talking about it and then 513 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:07,360 they know who he is, he will somehow manage to die. That's where 514 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,159 I'm getting a lot of by information. And you know, I'm writing science 515 00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:14,239 fiction, so if you know, I'm not trying to take liberties because I 516 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:20,280 pride myself and being very accurate in what I say to the extent that the 517 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,639 information that my characters give out is I give references in the back of these 518 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:30,000 science fiction books, which is unusual, so they by chapter you can actually 519 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,880 research what my character has said before we go. Just just one more question 520 00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:38,280 comes to mind here, and that has to do with skeptics that constantly say, 521 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:45,239 how could they possibly be visiting us here when the nearest star is four 522 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,880 and a half light years away? What's your what's your theory on that? 523 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,760 Well, the key to that is the ability to accelerat at very high rates. 524 00:43:54,159 --> 00:44:01,000 And UFOs have been clocked with radar and other means of as accelerating at 525 00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:05,400 a one hundred gs. That doesn't mean they're limited to that rate. But 526 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,599 if we could build a craft that could accelerate at one hundred GE's, you 527 00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:16,400 get to very high velocities very quickly, and relativity kicks in as you approached 528 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:22,000 the speed of light. Betty and Barney Hill had abductors that supposedly, it 529 00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:27,719 was determined later came from Zey to one and to Reticuli, and that's a 530 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:32,639 system that's about forty light years away. Well, if you had this craft 531 00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:37,559 I described, get accelerated one hundred g's, you would be there in less 532 00:44:37,559 --> 00:44:43,119 than one month, according to the calendar on your vehicle. Now that's in 533 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:49,199 the instant acceleration. Of constant acceleration one hundred g's, your calendar would say 534 00:44:49,199 --> 00:44:52,119 you got there in one month. And of course the unfortunate thing is if 535 00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:59,199 you turn around and come back to you two months later, the world would 536 00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:02,800 have sped ahead about eighty years, you know. So that's one of the 537 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:07,360 problems, but that's one of the way. That's how you do time travel. 538 00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:09,960 Yeah, yeah, well that's interesting. Well, thanks so much. 539 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,039 This has been great talking to you today. 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