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What is krack alac in fellow thermonuclear
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Beal trade that happened while I was
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descriptions as well. So let's talk
Bradley Beale getting traded to the Phoenix Suns.

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It's shocking because I don't think anyone
thought the Suns would be among the

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finalists heading into this offseason. We
all knew Bradley bill could get traded.

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The fact that he's got traded to
the Suns, it's fairly surprising when you

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look at with the package was going
to be or is going to be load

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reports it's Landry Shammitt, Chris Paul, several second round picks and pick swaps.

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Now the Suns can offer pick swaps, I believe in twenty twenty four,

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two thousand and twenty six, and
they can't offer it in two thousand

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and thirty, because I would assume
they could technically they could offer a swap

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in twenty thirty if they're gonna stay
under that second apron. But that's what

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makes this interesting for them, and
we'll probably start with them. Is there

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sort of this dark horse suitor and
I think Bradley Beale using his leverage here

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because this package is they didn't even
have to give up DeAndre Aten. They

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add when you look at what's Chris
Paul's full salary could have been, not

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as partial guaranteed, not if they
waved and stretched him. They're adding like

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six and a half six point seven
whatever million bucks to the payroll. I

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have them at with seven gut seven
players. I have the MESSI me to

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have under contract now at one hundred
and seventy six point eight million dollars,

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and that is very close to the
second apron. That's for Kevin Durant,

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Devin Booker, Bradley Beale, DeAndre
Ayton. Actually it's only it's actually it's

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it's only six players. Excuse me, So Kevin Durant, Devin Booker,

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DeAndre Ayton campaign, I'm assuming they're
going to guarantee him now, I have

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ish Wayne right there. And it's
not only five that's a that's a ship

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ton of money. It has to
be six players. Yeah, da dada,

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one two three. I might have
my salary sheets messed up here,

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but whatever, they're going to be
near the second apron and they have that

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this much money tied up in what
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they're gonna have to only have minimums
to flesh out, and their best card

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left to play here will be let's
trade DeAndre Ayton. He has at thirty

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two point five million dollars salary for
next season. Can we break him up

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into a bunch of smaller players?
And I think it's telltale one. Kudos

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to Bill and his agent Mark Bartlestein
for sending him somewhere, while also entering

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that they didn't give up and bankrupt
themselves of their best assets, because had

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you given up eight and in this
deal, and who knows if washing didn't

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even want if him, they have
KP. They have Daniel Gafford. He

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did not have a great year last
year. I think it points just relative

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to his pay grade. How lass
he'son unfolded was catastrophic, So maybe they

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didn't want him, but in fury
you can still move him and break him

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up into maybe two or three smaller
contracts, and that's how you flesh out

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your depth here. And you could
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on Bismock Bimbo, you will have
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So like if you want to continue
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roster, you can do it,
and you keep some of those guys together,

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But to flush out the rest of
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you need to trade DeAndre now because
you are so top heavy at the moment

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where Bradley Beale has never been the
most durable player. We know Duran is

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no longer the most durable player here. And yes you still have Devin Booker.

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But to be reliant on just those
three guys and then plus Eton and

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Campaign and ish Wayne Wright and a
bunch of minimums and maybe you bring Breck

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Bismock, Biombo and Tory Craig,
it's it's untenable over the course of an

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entire regular season. Because if let's
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for the playoffs and you can guarantee
everyone's at full strength, and yeah,

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it might work, we have to
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can't get to that point without putting
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so you now have to have to
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And it's not even look at you
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I honestly mean that. I'm not
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the moment, but you could have
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in the first place, that sort
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or three contracts, and I think
now more than ever, you just have

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to because you shortened your rotation by
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want about CP three, that they
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that Landry Sham it wasn't that great. You're turning two players into one here,

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and you were already kind of shallow
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the dynamic on the court. I
think a lot of people are underestimating and

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it probably took me too long to
get here. We should have started.

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We should have started here, and
we'll break down other implications as we go

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go forward. But the fit is
going to be fine. This is just

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people are looking at Bradley Beale's had
his dipping three point percentage. The shots

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are going to be easier in Phoenix
when you have when you have Devin Booker

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and Kevin Durant beside you, even
having one of those guys in the lineup

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with you. Look at how long
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point guard playing next to him,
just like a peak point guard, and

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those shots are going to get easier. And in the meantime, while you

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can criticize, while you can criticize
maybe some of his efficiency, he I

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don't want to say reinvented himself,
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of I don't want to say he's
not an A plus playmaker, but he's

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someone who can be the engine of
what ends up being a good, too,

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really good offense on the floor.
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the wizards vitals and say, okay, overall they weren't great, but like

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during his minutes, a lot of
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whatever, the offense wasn't by and
large the issue. He's turned himself into

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just a wizard. Beyond the arc, he can get off shots at all

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three levels. I think when you
look at the current even you look at

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the current iteration of the Sun's yes, but you look at the previous iteration

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of the Suns where it's Chris Paul
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get to the rim on or off
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your rim pressure on this team,
I would argue, there's still not enough,

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and that's something that you're gonna need
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I think specifically moving when you trade
him Michael Bridges, his transition,

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his volume in transition, and just
his ability to move off the ball and

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get towards the basket. They certainly
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gonna want to look for an element
of rim pressure and you're I guess you

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can hope you get it from beyondre
Ayton, but he's always sort of been

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that that bailout type of big and
so it really it really And I'll get

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to questions as we have them in
the chat as this goes on, a

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little bit of just trying to give
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on everything the offense is going to
be fine, and I think that you're

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gonna see Bill's efficiency skyrocket. And
when you look at the fragility of Kevin

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Durant's availability, just he's had these
problems creep up every single season since he

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tours Achilles without fail. Having that
second guy who wasn't Chris Paul, who

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is, Yes, Bradley Beal's about
to turn thirty or is thirty. He's

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still a lot younger than Chris Paul. And so you're gonna get you now

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just have more contingencies on the offensive
end. And you can never have too

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much shot creation, especially when it
comes in the form of I'm going to

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argue that all three of these guys
will hit above average clips from three next

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year, and so to have them
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let's just assume there, that's going
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say that they're trying the sunder,
trying to recreate like sort of this B

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plus version of what they might have
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that's not a bad thing. That
team, if they were healthy, might

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have just won a title or two
if they had stayed together as well.

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And so there's nothing necessarily wrong with
that, it's do you have the infrastructure

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around them to ensure that you're not
going to get absolutely cooked defensively and that

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you know your depth isn't going to
be ruined here and their death has been

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ruined in the meantime. And I
don't know who they hit on with minimum.

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You know, guys like I just
you know you target. I think

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here you need properly sized wing players, which is I mean, it's just

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so easier said than done. That's
to get properly sized wing players on the

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minimum is like can you get a
Utah wants an Abby from Brooklyn? Like

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those are the names are gonna be
looking at. You're not gonna be unless

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they go lose their mind, Like
you're not gonna get up Bruce Brown,

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Like you don't even have that mid
level of use. You could look at

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can you bring t J. Warren
back? I don't really know what his

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market's gonna be able to assume it'll
be above they're gonna give him a slight

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raise of what they had of for
last season, but maybe not, And

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so you could look at him.
I don't think there's a team not now.

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They need to be able to defend
and like that's not necessarily warrant strength.

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But he did make progress there theoretically
when he was an indie, and

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so you automatically remove guys like you
know, Will Barton, But like,

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those are the names that are gonna
crop up. Do you take a flyer

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on Wantiscano Anderson? Do you try
and at this point take a flyer because

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you need kind of fours and I
guess fives and wings, Like the front

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line really needs to be fleshed out
here. I would argue, like,

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do you take a flyer on Jamichael
Green? Not a wing player, but

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do you bring him over? I
don't know what the minimum market is necessarily

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going to look like for them.
I will say, when you have these

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names in place, it is going
to give you an opening to maybe players

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that otherwise wouldn't have signed minimums with
other teams. Perhaps. I just but

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that's that might ring hollow. I
mean, if you get Saddie as Young

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because he's waived by the Raptors,
I mean, cool, that's a good

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minimum signing. Is it going to
be enough? And so you need to

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probably hit I would say hit where
we look back and say, wow,

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I can't believe that they got him. They need to hit on probably two

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of those leading in the next season, and so there are very real challenges

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there. But I don't have a
problem at all with the offensive fit.

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And I think you could also argue
as a borderline necessary safety net to know,

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not go get a player on a
Supermax, but you needed, again,

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not an upgrade, but just this
contingency for not just Kevin Durant getting

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injured, but to safeguard yourself against
Chris Paul's own aging curve. And he's

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been banged up in every single postseason, including this past one, and now

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that's less of an issue. And
if you don't feel great about deals availability,

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I would still argue over the past
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been better, that he probably appears
in more games. I've just been interested

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to see how the discussion with Bradley
Beal specifically feels like not I guess not

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by and large, but in certain
circles it feels like it's been unable to

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detach his oncourt value from his overall
value. This is someone who just averaged

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twenty three plus points, five plus
assists, shot fifty five plus percent from

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twos. That's a career high from
two point range, by the way,

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and still hit thirty six point five
percent of his three pointers and over four

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attempts per game. And again,
those looks they should get easier in Phoenix,

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even if they're not going to run
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If you're just getting kickouts from Kevin
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I mean, bial and Booker running
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a screener, or you could go
I mean, Devin Booker's pretty strong,

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Bradley Beals really strong, like you
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a bunch of you call them inverted
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You can do whatever you want with
that. And I think Devin Booker

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specifically, you make this. You
can make this move because of how infinitely

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scalable his offensive skill set is.
And we said this on the podcast when

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Kevin Durant came over. I would
say it again, no matter who comes

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over, he is. Even if
Bradley Beale for some reason, let's just

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say his off ball offense deteriorated,
he needs to dominate it a little bit

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more. I would argue that you
need Devin Booker to basically be your point

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guard now. And I've been campaigning
not to be confused with Cam painting to

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see more of that in staggered units
for the past few years. You're going

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to get it in some vein if
like right from the jump, even maybe

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now, and that's like he's he's
your best pastor now, yeah, he's

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your best past So that's not even
a spicy take. He's now your best

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passer. That's fine. But the
fact that he's able to work so well

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off the ball, moves so well
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fact that he's come a long way
defensively, and so you look at this

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the skeleton of this roster, and
let's assume that they don't make any other

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changes, which they're gonna make,
they have to again, I think you

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need to trade Deandrean if Eaton can
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was for the most part when he
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talent end of the season, but
he was pretty fantastic defensively, really brought

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some good secondary room protection. And
then Devin Booker, he's improved I think

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overall, but certainly as a as
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gonna bring maybe not consistent energy in
every situation, but like if he wants

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to match up or has to switch
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he's going to be able to do
it, and you don't want to ask

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him to do that more again,
you want to, like it'd be good

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at this point. You get Joshua
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Like that's someone that you could still
really use. Even Tory Craig,

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who I thought was probably underutilized in
the playoff series against the Nuggets, but

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it did see Mike Phoenix was very
much searching there. So I very much

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a believer in this offense, in
large part because I have that much faith

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in Devin Booker. You could talk
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We've criticized Boston for it, not
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doing it currently because they go through
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get nudged off of their offensive process. They're committing turnovers. They have to

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go to a Jaylen Brown he's dribbling
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Jason Tatum's bailing out too much.
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pass is not even getting passes off, taking too long on the shock clock.

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This is different because if you like
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Booker, Kevin Durant, like those
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they're not going to be super high
turnover in those situations. And we've

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seen this team just sort of make
it work independent of having that floor organizer

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at points, because you would need
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predating the Kevin Durant tray, like
you were able to run units where okay,

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if campaign was in there, like
that's just not He's not what you

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would call the an optimal floor organizer
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be way too much concern. There's
gonna be bloated concern over the offensive fit

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here and you just you don't need
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this a smart allocation of your payroll, because now you're going to pay you

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know, between just Bradley Beale,
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you're looking at a hundred, Like, that's almost a salary cap between the

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four of them because Durant and you're
gonna let's say forty eight for Durrant,

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forty six for Bradley Beale. That's
ninety four, and then thirty six for

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Devin Booker, which is you know, that's the last year of course extension

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kicks in. That's a freaking steal. So you're at one hundred and thirty

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million dollars between those three guys.
The salary cap next year is one hundred

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and thirty four. We have even
gotten too yondred eight and thirty two point

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five million salary, yet you're extremely
top heavy. Was this the best way

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to, you know, allocate spots
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but I think you have to look
at the value proposition here. Bradley

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Beale is making substantially more than Chris
Paul moving forward. I think you could

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argue that the next, you know, the next four years for Bradley Beale,

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he's had two hundred and seven two
hundred and eight million dollars over the

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next four years. Those are going
to be more valuable years on the court

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than if you were to have Chris
Paul for the next four and certainly for

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just the next If you were to
keep him this season, then I've gotten

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rid of him after last year.
You didn't have Like you didn't use your

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best trade chip here. You didn't
use DeAndre Ayton, who is still your

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best trade chip. You use swaps
and seconds. I'm still waiting on the

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details of the swaps. You can
get at me in the chat if you

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if you see that, they come
up, but I have not seen anything.

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I'll check my text messages though and
slash just in case I get notifications

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on that. So, like,
that's the opportunity cost here, aside from

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the actual cap implications and how much
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forward. It was relatively low,
especially for this season, because I was

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very much against waving Chris Paul or
and then either stretching the you know,

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his fifteen million over five years or
just eating it for a season. Yes,

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you would have been a little bit
more flexible moving forward. You wouldn't.

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There's just the fact of the matter, because Chris Paul could have just

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came off the books after next year, but you wouldn't have been able to

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fold that salary slot into a player
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near the same. That's what you
effectively did here is you rolled the talent

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of Chris Paul's prime Chris Paul's contract
into that number. Again, it's more

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expensive, but you did get a
better player, and so you're faced with

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the same issues. But I guess
the outcome to me is probably a little

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bit more palatable when you're just looking
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even if you're not as high on
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all of this would be when you're
looking at their title aspirations aside from durability,

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all those questions, how are you
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And that would bring you back to
the point of what can you get

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for DeAndre eight? Is there a
team that's going to be willing to you

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know, could you do in eighten
for healed and Miles Turner trade? I

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think there need to be more stuff
there. I don't know if Indy does

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that. My guests would be Indy
doesn't do that. Even if it was

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Turner for eight and straight up,
which they could do, I don't know

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that they do that. Could you
send eighton to Dallas still? Are these

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Western Conference rivals willing to help out
each other? I just what are you

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getting? Could you get Maxi Kleiba
in that where it's like Tim Hardaway junior

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Maxi Kleiba? And then are you
gonna have to take back to Abvis Bretons

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in that deal with they give you
Reggie Bullock. I mean that would be

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they probably shouldn't. I look,
Cleveland, Bullock and Josh Green are they're

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three best perimeter defenders right now.
If we assume that they hate Frankie Lakina

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and they won't bring him back,
that's mostly a joke except them dead ass

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serious. You're not gonna trade and
I say perimeter with Cleveland. I could

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use that loosely, but they've thrown
them on some tough assignments to the past.

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You're gonna given way two of your
three best let's just say, three

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best defensive options for DeAndre Ayton,
who Okay, he handles the back line,

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but your perimeter depth was already weakened
by sending out Doreen Finney Smith and

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then substituting that with a Kyrie Irving
Luca don Chich back court. I don't

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even know if you get that much
for DeAndre if you could, yeah,

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Reggie Bullock, Tim Hardaway Junior,
and Max and Cleband And look, if

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it's just Reggie Bullock and Maxie Cleveland, give me Davis Bretton's and I'll do

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that if I'm Phoenix. So maybe
maybe that's more palatable to Dallas. You

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could build permutations where it's okay,
would they do Davis Burton's, Tim Hardaway

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Junior and number ten? Do you
do that just? And then what are

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you doing with number ten? You
still need to fold that into someone else?

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Is it easier because you're working with
two digestible salaries? What does Burton's

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plus number ten get you? I
did see some people mention a potential Kuzma

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sign and trade with the Suns.
Now, No, that's not gonna happen.

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Like, I don't think that if
the Wizards wanted eight, and we

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probably would have heard more talks about
that into the Suns. They can't.

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They can't sign and trade. They
can't acquire someone via sign and trade right

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now because they're going to be hardcapped
and there's no way for them to take,

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you know, another big money player
in and stay under that hardcap.

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They're worried about if they want to
be they're worried about staying under the second

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apron, and I just don't,
Like, there's no point I'm even staying

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under the second apron. I guess
unless you want to use part of the

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mini m leaks, you're not going
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You just can't unless again, if
you flip DeAndre Aton into something, you

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know, let just as an example, DeAndre Eton for Telden Johnson, you

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could do that and then maybe that
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league. I think you would still
be over that first ap and that which

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then eats into your MINIMLI a little
bit. So that's something they could look

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at. But you have to figure
out a way to do something other than

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add minimums now on top of this, And the only way to do that

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is to just trade unless someone just
really fixed in for campaign and like,

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can you roll his number into to
someone better? So like, or are

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you super high? I'm bringing Darius
basically back and restricted free agency even though

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he was like he barely played for
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So like, I'm so fascinated because
this is I understand why this was done

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now because the trade rules are changing. I was annoying that it was done

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on Sunday, Like we couldn't have
just waited until Monday, or you could

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have pulled the trigger on actual Saturday
when this was leaked, and my I

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don't want this won't be final thoughts
because we'll get to questions, but I

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want to talk about the Wizards.
Kudos to Bradley Beale for using his no

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trade costs properly, because as I
was stammering through the intro of this podcast

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before, what I was trying to
say was, even if it was just

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the Suns in the heat, and
let's say the Heat weren't willing to go

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up Tyler Hero, and maybe the
Wizards didn't want Tyler Hero. Who knows,

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they were just willing to go with
the Lowryola Depot route or some combination

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of Robinson and Lowry, or like
I guess they could have gone a Hero

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and Robinson. Let's just say they're
unwilling to include Tyler Hero, and we're

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unwilling to include a ton of first
round first round equity, which you didn't

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get any first round equity if you're
the Wizards right now. So it's it's

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wholly reasonable to assume that the Wizards
weren't gonna get that in the first place,

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but the heat in theory even their
worst offer was better. I would

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think then then the Sun's best offer
for the most part. And the fact

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that Bradley Beal this is the value
of the no trade clause. You were

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not only able to pick your destination. But I have no doubt even if

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you weren't interested in Eton, I
think you would probably view them as the

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more of a trade asset here,
even though yes, you can still part

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ways with Chris Paul save a ton
of money now this season. Unless you

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believe that Aton was really that hard
to trade where you were trying to take

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back bad money or not gotten something
from him, I would have to believe

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they would have wanted eight just for
the trade value and the fact that they

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didn't get it. That's the no
trade cause at work. And it was

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even Chris Hayden's Bleacher Report colleague tweeted
this yesterday that Bradley Beale basically only wanted

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to go to the Suns if they
were able to keep DeAndre and I don't

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think that anything to do with Deandred
himself so much as he understands, you

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can't have them bankrupt their assets and
be unable to improve their team. And

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then there's also just the matter of
look at how uneven incongruent that roster would

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have been if you had Chris Paul, Bradley Beale, Kevin Durant and Devin

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Booker, I mean just Devin Booker, Bradley me on Chris Paul and campaign

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whatever. I mean, he's absolutely
no, although he yeah, if you

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would include the Chapman, just so
many guards, and even if you would

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have waived Chris Paul at that point, you would have been so limited.

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So yes, there was an element
of the roster construction to it, but

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he was able to get somewhere where
they did not give up any They gave

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up some assets, but their best
asset is still in place. And so

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even if you do go into next
season with DeAndre and the hope can still

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be if he rehabs his value,
does another team come calling and actually want

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him? And I think I don't
know what DeAndre and Jalue is here.

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Look, I just ran through some
hypothetical trades that I don't even know if

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those you know, I focused on
what was a Dallas and Indiana specifically.

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I don't know if they would consider
that. A lot of people at the

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Spurs for Kelvin Johnson, they do
Eton and Wemby and so went in the

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front court. I wouldn't I wouldn't
hate that. Are they a team that's

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gonna be interested in him? But
you're looking at the teams that actually need

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bigs and that's kind of few and
far between. I don't think Brooklyn they

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have Claxton, who's he had a
better season than DeAndre. I don't know

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who needs to hear that or if
anyone needs to here. They had a

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better season than DeAndre. But if
they wanted them with a little bit more,

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you know, girth to them not
gonna play with more thrust because Claxton's

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gonna play with more thrust. Maybe, but his name wasn't really linked to

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the Kevin Durant trade at all.
Charlotte has Mark Williams now and if you're

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gonna go for a big i'd rather
see it be someone who spaces the floor

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like a Christops porzingis there Chicago?
Okay, we get a little interesting there

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if Chicago doesn't want to have Voodge. But what is Chicago going to give

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you at this point, I yes, like, you don't want Damart rossac

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Lavine on this team and Lonzo Ball
is not playing at the moment, and

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so how do you even build that
package? It would have to be a

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three teamer where de Rosin is going
somewhere, I guess, and then maybe

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you're getting back Caruso. So that
just feels like a blah destination. Detroit

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has all the bigs in the world. Denver doesn't need a big We already

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went through Dallas. Golden State,
I'd be interested. I'm just let's just

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say Draymond Green wanted to leave and
what opt in? Could you build something

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around Eighten for Draymond Green? And
is there money that Golden State wants to

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get rid of? They do have
Looney there, but I think Eighton's upside

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is going to be or his high
point is going to be should be higher

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than Looney's high point. And so
if you're looking at to replace Draymond's money,

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if he wanted to opt in and
really leave, that would be mega

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interesting. Who else could Golden State
send out there? Is there money they're

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not happy with? No? Not
really, I mean, I guess you're

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not going to figure out a way
to fold Jordan Pool into this. So

403
00:24:53,319 --> 00:24:57,440
it almost have to be Looney or
GP two to make that math work.

404
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,960
And I don't think you'd want to
give up maybe Looney, but he's eighten.

405
00:25:02,319 --> 00:25:06,799
If Draymond says he wants out,
are you doing Looney and Draymond for

406
00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:10,759
DeAndre Eton? If if it's your
prerogative, your choice. Absolutely not Houston.

407
00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:11,400
I think some people can make the
case they need it big, but

408
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,400
they have Shaneghu and they have Jabari
Smith Junior. I'm not about it.

409
00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:18,519
The Pacers are to run through the
Clippers. No, they have zoobots,

410
00:25:18,519 --> 00:25:22,359
and just would they be willing to
give you two of their just like two

411
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,480
to three of Batumb, Covington,
Morris, and you don't need Powell.

412
00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:30,519
Maybe Gordon's thrown in there, I
guess, but like you have zoobots.

413
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,799
I don't think this is not a
roster that needs to spend thirty plus million

414
00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:37,200
on a big My point. The
Lakers absolutely not, the Grizzlies absolutely not,

415
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:41,720
the Heat absolutely not. Milwaukee absolutely
not, Minnesota absolutely not, the

416
00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:47,960
Pelicans absolutely not, the Knicks absolutely
not. Okay, see sure eight and

417
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,759
Eton and home Grin would be interesting
have Jalen Williams, SGA and Getty there,

418
00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:53,720
But what are you even gonna get
Dort for Eton? Like you could

419
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,480
do that if you're okay see Dort
for Ayton. I just don't know if

420
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,720
you would want to, and you
would be saving makes a bunch of money,

421
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,640
but you have the cap space later
on this summer to do Dort for

422
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,119
eight and I wouldn't do that if
I'm okay. See, that's just That's

423
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:14,119
where I'm at. Orlando, No, Philly, no Portland. Portland's interesting,

424
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,680
but you're gonna probably have to take
back NERK as part of that deal.

425
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:22,200
And then what you're getting Simons like
they don't they don't have like the

426
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:23,799
big enough. That's the other challenging
because you need teams that have two to

427
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,440
three contracts that make it work,
and they're not gonna give you the sign

428
00:26:27,559 --> 00:26:30,759
trade for Jeremy Grants to have a
question because that's just not gonna work.

429
00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:33,799
Sacram I don't know. The Spurs
maybe just maybe if they want if you

430
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,599
get Zach Collins and Kelton Johnson for
DeAndre Ayton, I would I would hit

431
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,759
yes on that button right now.
Maybe you get that fake Charlotte first rounder

432
00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:45,319
that's protected until Kingdom come. It's
gonna become two seconds eventually. Probably.

433
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,039
I just that even feels like it
might be steep freight in Toronto if they

434
00:26:49,079 --> 00:26:52,119
parted ways with Peartle maybe Utah,
No, they have, they have Kessler

435
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,599
and then Washington. It's just you
could still go. I mean, Porzingis

436
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,880
is a much better fit for this
roster. So if Porzingis ops in,

437
00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:03,880
you could build something around eight and
for him, And yes, you could

438
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,599
trade for who's muff he opts in. He's not. He's not picking up

439
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,000
the thirteen million dollar player option if
anyone's suggesting that. So this is on

440
00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:12,680
topic, we'll get to the questions
and we're gonna move into Wizards talk too.

441
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,160
From Thomas Scott, trade eight to
Houston for kJ Martin and J Shawn

442
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,640
Tate. They do have the cap
space to do that, and I guess

443
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:23,240
if they don't, if they don't
have if they don't hit on any other

444
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:26,400
free agents, because they can get
up like sixty plus million to spend this

445
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,559
year. Sure, it's just I
like Shane Goon, I like Jabari Smith

446
00:27:30,599 --> 00:27:33,920
Junior. Still, I guess it's
not the end of the world having three

447
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,440
bigs there. But if you end
up with Amen Thompson in this draft,

448
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,960
you're dealing with a lot of non
shooters on this roster all of a sudden.

449
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,200
But if I'm Phoenix, do I
do that? I don't. I'm

450
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,960
throwing this back up there. Eight. Oh sorry, Boston Celtics, this

451
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,240
is Thomas Scott. Get back to
your first one. Trade eight to Houston

452
00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:56,039
for kJ and Jay Shawn Ta.
They could really use kJ Martin's room pressure.

453
00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:59,000
I'll tell you that much. I
just and that saves them a boatload

454
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:02,000
of money and that would be able
then they would be able to access I

455
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,799
believe the mini MLLE in that scenario. I just Jay Shawn Tate was pretty

456
00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:10,799
banged up last year. That's for
me. It feels like it's weird because

457
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,799
I understand why that Houston would do
it, but I don't love the resulting

458
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,920
roster for them. But it also
feels like, if you're Phoenix, you're

459
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,160
selling too low, unless if he's
that much of a negative value, then

460
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,359
yeah, look at it. We
want our miniml We believe we can approximate

461
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:26,440
seventy to ninety nine percent of eight
in his peak on the cheap then yeah,

462
00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:30,519
go ahead and do that. Those
are tap would give you some defense.

463
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,039
Martin probably needs to be better defensively, but some nice rim pressure and

464
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:36,960
can be moved around a bunch positionally, and I think he's probably a good

465
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:41,039
enough stand still shooter, just you
know, catch feeds from these other guys

466
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:45,319
on the roster. Thomas Scott also
said Boston Celtics have a front court of

467
00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:48,640
Eton and Williams. Please no,
I don't. I don't want to see

468
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:49,440
that. If you can get Robert
Williams the third for eight, and you

469
00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:52,960
might as well try it and see
like, is Derek White or Marcus Smart

470
00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:57,119
or Miacole Bragden Brogden involved in that
deal. I just can't see Boston doing

471
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:02,480
that. Thomas says eight and for
Al Horford, Boston gets younger. Yeah,

472
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,319
you have to put more money in
there though, and so Horford's only

473
00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:08,279
at ten million, and I just
don't you don't want to have like the

474
00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:11,200
eight and Williams dynamic is weird?
Is our W three just your permanent bench

475
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,920
player? I guess that's fine.
Where's the other money coming from for Boston

476
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,279
though? Because they gotta get to
Eighton's number. So Horford's at ten million.

477
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,759
Brog didn't get you there, but
like because I'm I'm not giving up

478
00:29:23,799 --> 00:29:26,880
Marcus Marter Derek White for DeAndre and
at that point. So I'll make that

479
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:32,119
very clear. Throw your questions in
if you're still watching Suns Wizards rest of

480
00:29:32,119 --> 00:29:34,759
the NBA, I will answer them
here. I will try and stay about

481
00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:37,599
forty five minutes because they do have
other stuff to get to and I'm worried

482
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,799
that I'm about the you know,
I'm operating on borrowed time when it comes

483
00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:45,680
to my actual job. And we
got this from Woad. Part of the

484
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,759
reason for holding up full completion of
Wizards Suns. They will be allowed Washington

485
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:51,359
to field offers from third teams that
would give Chris Paul a chance to land

486
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,960
with a contender. I don't know
what contender is paying thirty million dollars for

487
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,160
Chris Paul. Let's get into that
in a second. But blown first comment

488
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:02,480
the Wizards are allergic to being a
normal team. He also said they said

489
00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:03,680
I feel bad for Vogel, like
coaching the Lakers. Again, I don't

490
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,880
feel bad for Vogel. This is
still a good job. You've Devin Booker

491
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,839
and Kevin Durant I think he's going
to be fine now the Wizards, so

492
00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:14,920
this is I want to make this
clear. The process that led the Wizards

493
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,640
here is catastrophic. Oh and look, Chris Paul is now headed to the

494
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,640
Clippers, per class Chris Haynes.
How's that for some breaking news. The

495
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,880
Washington Wizards are likely to reroute Chris
Paul in a trade, and the Los

496
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,680
Angeles Clippers are expected to pursue a
reunion with the future of Paul. Oh,

497
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,559
he's not going to the Clippers.
That was I jump jumped the shark

498
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,720
there. I don't that's gonna be
a four teamer. Then let's Wizards first.

499
00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:41,519
My god, it's happening people.
This is all happening live. This

500
00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:45,279
is live podcasting for you on your
own too. Hashtag I missed grant us.

501
00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:48,240
The process that led the Wizards here, and I don't say this lightly

502
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:55,599
was catastrophic. They did not trade
Beal anywhere near his peak value. Then

503
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,680
they gave him a Supermax with a
no trade clause and a trade kicker.

504
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,240
Then by extension, they missed the
chance to optimize this year's pick at a

505
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:07,480
time when I think people think there
are four transformative players in this draft.

506
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:11,279
When you're looking at the upside of
Amma Thompson Brandon Miller, who I might

507
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,359
you know, the more I think
about it, I might have Ama Thompson

508
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:15,799
ahead of him in my big board. But yeah, I'm not the draft

509
00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:21,480
expert Scoot Henderson. Of course when
Banyama and yes, now you can maximize

510
00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:23,119
next year's draft pick, which is
still technically over the Knicks I think is

511
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,559
never going to see the lighted day
in New York. Apologies, Knicks fans.

512
00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:32,400
Maybe the Wizards get accidentally good before
then. Anyway, So like the

513
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:33,759
twenty twenty four draft, I still
think it's too soon to say that,

514
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:37,559
but everyone says that it's not good
or at least in comparison to this.

515
00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:41,279
But you missed the opportunity to get
let's say two or three a crack at

516
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:47,440
two or three transcendent players in this
lottery, and then you traded Bradley Beale

517
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,440
for what amounts to mainly cap relief. Mainly cap relief. So none of

518
00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:55,160
this, by the way, I'll
make clear, is on the Michael Winger

519
00:31:55,319 --> 00:32:00,400
led basketball organization. It's just on
the process that led here. This is

520
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,039
so long overdue, and you put
yourself into a position where the best you

521
00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:07,160
could do for Bradley Beale is just
getting that cap relief. And look,

522
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:13,039
you look at the Wizard's cap situation, and because I the projections are so

523
00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:15,480
fluored, I won't get into exact
numbers, but I will tell you,

524
00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:20,079
as of right now for the twenty
twenty four offseason, the only guaranteed money

525
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,880
the Wizards have on their books are
Daniel Gafford will say, this year's pick

526
00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:29,400
and next year's pick. So three
players under guarantee tea contract. You could

527
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,440
say, Okay, yeah, they're
gonna pick up the player option for Corey

528
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,680
Kissbert. Do they pick up the
excuse me, the team option for Corey

529
00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:37,720
Kissbert? Do they pick up the
team option for Johnny Davis. That'll be

530
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,079
interesting the monitor. They could resign
Monte Morris or Delan right, I'd imagine

531
00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:45,519
both those guys are getting moved.
Maybe they resign Porzingis and Kuzma. My

532
00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:49,359
guests would be and we have to
get into that what happens with these two

533
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:54,319
now? I think the most likely
outcome is they resigned Kuzma and try to

534
00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:59,160
move him later and Chris stops,
Porzingis opts in and then either gets immediately

535
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,960
traded, we can sign an extension
because the new extension rules are pretty favorable

536
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:06,000
on his number, it could be
one hundred and twenty percent. I think

537
00:33:06,039 --> 00:33:07,920
after he's traded, which off of
his thirty six million dollars number, I

538
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,079
don't even think you need to go
that high. So I guess I would

539
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:15,559
be Christops gets traded after opting in
and Kuzma. There's either gonna be a

540
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:20,359
sign in trade, which they're they're
tougher negotiate, or they're just gonna offer

541
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,839
him the most money and hope they
could trade him later. But I could,

542
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,599
I really could, honest to God, see this front office just letting

543
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,799
him walk if the number is big
enough. Like I'm trying to think of

544
00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:32,799
what would be the team when you're
looking at cap space squads. But let's

545
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:37,240
just say Utah comes in, Kuzma
as roots in Utah, maybe him and

546
00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:38,680
Clarkson want to team up again.
Let's just say Utah came in and offered

547
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,279
him twenty four million dollars a year
or something in one or front line of

548
00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:45,799
market in Kessler and Kuzma. Is
that a number that the Wizards would just

549
00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:49,359
match. I'm not sure. Maybe
the Pacers, they get involved here,

550
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,319
they can get their exact cap number. I think they'll be at like twenty

551
00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:55,359
seven if they want to be twenty
seven plus. Let's say they come in

552
00:33:55,799 --> 00:34:00,119
over the top. Are they willing
to I could see I could. I

553
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,640
mean, if it's the Pacers,
they'll they'll offer to make it assign and

554
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,160
trade because that's just what Herb Simon
does. I kind of I kind of

555
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,119
love that, but I also sort
of hate it a little bit. So

556
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,960
there's there's not maybe a lot of
cap space teams. There's not a ton

557
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,039
of cap space teams to begin with. I don't know how many cap space

558
00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:19,000
teams would throw money at him.
I don't think Detroit would. I don't.

559
00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:21,800
I guess Houston just could. Don't
rule Houston out of anything, but

560
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,440
he'll have offers there. So if
I had to rank the outcomes, I'm

561
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:30,800
gonna say the most likely is going
to be assigned and trade. Second most

562
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,480
likely is they resigned him and then
look to move him in the middle of

563
00:34:35,519 --> 00:34:37,559
the season, that it's a number
they're fine with and they think that they'll

564
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:40,320
be able to reroute him. And
then third would be they let him walk

565
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,280
for nothing. It would just not
shock me if third ends up being like

566
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,599
the most likely outcome where it's hey, we're just we're cleaning house here.

567
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:52,599
We had a comment from Mike Herischan
got traded for the bride by ot trade

568
00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:55,440
for the mystery stuff you find cleaning
out the fridge. Yeah, I mean

569
00:34:55,519 --> 00:35:00,159
Chris Paul is not a mystery,
but like for sure, that's a one

570
00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:05,079
percent. It's just it's odds and
ends here. Dale Mucus sons in four

571
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,320
what do you mean four players and
their five players starting lineup? I would

572
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:12,239
agree with you. We have some
more questions. He let me see if

573
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,199
I can go through as many as
I can. Oh, here we go,

574
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,280
glad on a moon thirty four?
Are you projecting more bial or Bookers

575
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,840
the primary initiator for the offense?
I did mention this before. It has

576
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,159
to be Devin Booker in my book. I think he's the best passer on

577
00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:27,239
the team right now. And it
just makes the most sense. I thought.

578
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,440
I saw, Oh, it's in
our discord we had the about west

579
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:32,559
Unsel being a sitting duck coach in
Washington. I'm not gonna lie. I

580
00:35:32,559 --> 00:35:38,000
know it was kind of a It
was a it was a prerequisite to take

581
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,719
this job. I think was to
give him some time. But I would

582
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:45,639
agree with you. I would be
I'm not even saying mildly or moderately.

583
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:51,480
I'd be pretty substantially surprised. If
West Unselled is the coach in two twenty

584
00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:52,760
four, twenty five next season,
maybe there's not a lot of damage done

585
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,199
since it's a year of transition and
you don't have you know, you could

586
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,119
look at and say, well,
what about player development? We have the

587
00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:01,000
number of pick coming in, you
just don't have enough of your future asset

588
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,960
base in place to say, Okay, we wasted a year on the wrong

589
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:13,000
coach, or are the coach we
didn't prefer developing these players? Thomas Scott

590
00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:15,719
does Dame go to Miami? I
think, look the heat not being more

591
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,280
in on this, or maybe Bradley
Beal really preferred Phoenix. I doubt it,

592
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,320
but maybe he really preferred Phoenix first
and foremost. I think that's what

593
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,440
they're waiting for, is a better
opportunity and that they believe Damian Lillard is

594
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:30,000
it. And look, if Damian
Lillard wants to be in Portland. I'm

595
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,280
not going to tell players what to
do with their career. If everyone in

596
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,360
that organization is okay with well,
we're gonna take the number three pick.

597
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,840
We're gonna play the number three pick, and Shaden Sharp, we're gonna resign

598
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,360
Jeremy Grant. We're gonna try and
be as good as possible, basically while

599
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,119
fuxing and fiddling on the margins.
And Dame's happy with that. That's okay.

600
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:49,639
What you What I'm tired of hearing
is that they're willing to make a

601
00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:53,679
big move only did not make a
big move and saying that they're planning to

602
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,679
maximize Dame's window. They haven't done
that right now. And so if you're

603
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,880
not going to part with Jayden Sharp
or number three pick, and I'm not

604
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,760
saying just rush into something, but
if you're if you look at it and

605
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,079
say, oh, well, like
Siakam's not enough to even move one of

606
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:07,639
those guys, then you know what, then it's time to kind of I

607
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:13,800
don't think I actually respect envy admire
agree by being picky with the let's say

608
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,199
the number three pick. If you're
not willing to move the number three pick

609
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,880
in a package for Pascal Siakam,
then it's time to move Damian Lillard unless

610
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,920
he's Okay, just waiting for lightning
in a bobble. Maybe he really likes

611
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,079
Brandon Miller or Scoot Henderson, or
maybe you think that eventually they'll they'll be

612
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:30,159
able to pull off a trade big
your trade for some reason. But it

613
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,199
seems like there's this weird game of
chicken happening in Portland right now, and

614
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,440
I want to get back to Washington. I don't want to short shrift them

615
00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:39,920
on this. I just Dame has
talked about how he wants to compete.

616
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:45,400
The Wizards are clearly they don't seem
interested in just making a move for the

617
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,519
sake of making a move, and
that's that's a responsible organization. But there's

618
00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:53,000
this dichotomy then in aimes, from
Damian Lillard and the Blazers, and I

619
00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:57,559
do think it's going to end,
maybe not this summer, but sometime soon

620
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:00,199
in a trade. It just feels
like one side waiting for the other to

621
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:02,519
blink first. And I don't know
if it's a matter of the Blazers are

622
00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:07,239
going to go through the draft process, free agency and see who they're able

623
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,760
to get with the number three pick
or whomever they draft at number three,

624
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,559
and go back and say, Okay, look like we weren't able to get

625
00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:16,599
a quality of player we believe is
gonna fold us into contention with you,

626
00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:20,719
what do you want to do?
And that's how it ends. But you

627
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,719
kind of want to make the decision
fairly soon, just because you don't want

628
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,880
to be looped into a Jeremy Grant
contract that you can't turn around and move.

629
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,519
There was the report that the Blazers
and him are locked into a deal

630
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:34,519
at one hundred and twenty million.
If that's four years one hundred and twenty

631
00:38:34,519 --> 00:38:37,280
million, that deal will be movable. If it's three years one hundred and

632
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,360
twenty million, because his max is
in the fourties, I think his max

633
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,599
starts it. I'll check it really
quick in our max contract calculator here.

634
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,920
His max next season is forty point
two million. So if it's three years

635
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,800
in one hundred and twenty then it's
it's a different story. Maybe teams can

636
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,039
appreciate that as shorter term, but
the Sun Wizards could have traded bial two

637
00:38:55,079 --> 00:39:00,800
seasons ago and got a better deal. Thomas Scott app and are tanking for

638
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,480
Bronnie, which which by extension,
means they might be tanking to get have

639
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:07,880
the right to have forty one,
forty two year old Bron James on the

640
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,280
roster. Yes they should have,
but the Wizards under Tommy Shepard should have

641
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,800
already made this decision, and the
fact that they didn't or couldn't or wouldn't

642
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:20,360
was a failure on their part.
And then they turned around and they like

643
00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:23,679
you had turned around and gave that
negotiation. I can't. I'm trying to

644
00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:29,639
think of another organization that ever lost
a contract negotiation that thoroughly. And it's

645
00:39:29,639 --> 00:39:32,079
not I don't like counting players money, so to speak. I think players

646
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:36,079
are too often boiled down to a
number. And I even just said that,

647
00:39:36,159 --> 00:39:42,880
I think it's really unfair that we
haven't figured out how to detach like

648
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,559
we have figured out how to detach
players on court value from their contract number.

649
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:50,639
It's twenty twenty three, Like let's
be let's be better than this,

650
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,960
so that number is still the terms
of it. We're still huge, Like

651
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:59,519
if you're gonna give us Supermax out, it really should be to one of

652
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:01,760
the now, especially with the new
sort of cat penalties, like it needs

653
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:07,119
to be. It can't be a
top twenty five, top thirty guy anymore,

654
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,719
Like it just it can't be that, and I think we're gonna see.

655
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,599
Yeah, there could be weird seasons
where you have these because of the

656
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:17,360
new rules in place about the game's
minimum for all NBA, we might have

657
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:22,280
some weird circumstances where someone qualifies for
a max contract makes a couple all NBA

658
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,039
teams, but they're not gonna get
it. Teams I think are gonna up

659
00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:29,719
the standard relative to the players that
they're giving those contracts too, because they

660
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:34,559
have to when you look at how
punitive and limiting the new CBA is.

661
00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:39,320
And I just even in the moment
though before you knew that about these new

662
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:44,360
CBA repercussions, it was just the
no trade clause, Like, you gave

663
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,599
this guy everything, and it's not
like he had this other market proved that

664
00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:51,039
he was gonna leave. Yeah,
there's a level of loyalty, but you

665
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,840
put yourself in a situation where you
couldn't. I bet you. I firmly

666
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,639
believe this, and I was wrong. By the way. You want to

667
00:40:57,639 --> 00:40:59,880
call me out for being wrong,
here we go. I like to try

668
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:02,199
remember to admit admit when I'm wrong. I said, if we set the

669
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:07,920
over under on one point five first
round picks in prospects like the equivalent of

670
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,280
those for Bradley Beal. I would
take. I would take the over I

671
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:15,320
underestimated how toxic the no trade clause
on top of that contract was, which,

672
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,119
by the way, the language in
the CBA is fuzzy, as Dan

673
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:22,360
Fellman of Dunktown pointed out, But
I do believe Bradley Beale's no trade clause

674
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:29,239
transfers. So that was also another
hurdle in this deal, because you're acquiring

675
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,840
him knowing that he can veto any
deal if he wanted to move him later.

676
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,679
And I think was it Bobby Marks
or Zach Low made this comparison.

677
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,559
Think about how much harder it would
have been for the Lakers to move Westbrook

678
00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:44,119
this season if he had a no
trade clause. His expiring number was large

679
00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:45,880
enough. Now he could have just
gotten to a point where he knew he

680
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,559
was going to get bought out.
And maybe it doesn't really matter, but

681
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:52,599
yeah, so you got the fact
that they had to accept this little that's

682
00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:57,599
a failure on that contract negotiation,
not of Michael Winger. You can argue

683
00:41:57,599 --> 00:41:59,920
that he should have gotten more.
I just I want to know what they

684
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,880
were offering and whether they whether they
walked out at the next second, so

685
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,639
or at the last second. Excuse
me, But if he didn't have that

686
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,719
no trade clause, I firmly believe
that they would have hit the over on

687
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,960
picture process because then teams know it's
easier to move him later just because he

688
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,400
can't beat it anything, and they
could have sent him anywhere they wanted.

689
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,519
And that is the real loss,
is that there might have been a team.

690
00:42:22,559 --> 00:42:24,920
And Matt Moore of Action Network tweeted
this out where apparently, based off

691
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,280
what he's here, there's gonna be
a lot of stupid shit by teams this

692
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,639
offseason. There's always someone willing to
take on a contract. And Chris Haynes

693
00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:37,440
reporting now Miami's focus is Portland superstar
Damian Lillard, with a genuine belief that

694
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,280
could be the off season veteran guard
seeks a change of scenery. Yeah,

695
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:45,280
I just I think I would trust
that intel, just because it seems like

696
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,280
Portland and Damian Lillard are engaged in
this weird game of a chicken. As

697
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,440
I already mentioned before, the no
trade clause though, ends up biting the

698
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,400
Wizards. But let's talk. Let's
what I'll say, good, and then

699
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:58,679
we need to talk Chris Paul here
what we need to give the Wizards.

700
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:04,079
I barglove TV put a shit emoji
if you're probably talking about me since I'm

701
00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:08,000
rambling live. But hopefully it's just
about this trade anyway. At least the

702
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:12,119
Wizards are now finally headed in this
direction, and that's what you look at

703
00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:15,599
as encouraging. They've really made their
roster flexible after next season. We have

704
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:19,880
to see what happens with Kuzma,
KPP, Kate Wow KP. Also would

705
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,280
do they keep Monte Morris to long
right? But like everyone's on a short

706
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:27,119
term deal. There is no one
I mean, like the longest player under

707
00:43:27,199 --> 00:43:30,519
contract is going to be their number
eight pick as of right now in twenty

708
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,519
twenty five, So scale ahead two
off seasons. No one that's currently on

709
00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:37,800
the roster has guaranteed money. There's
oh wait, excuse me, I'm looking.

710
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,679
I'm looking at my wrong sheet.
They have Daniel Gafford is the only

711
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,199
player two off seasons from now with
guaranteed money. Yeah, there could be

712
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:46,840
Johnny Davis there. We don't know
who they're gonna sign. But they're so

713
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,679
flexible moving forward, and you could
argue now they've set themselves up to make

714
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,800
that design freefall where Okay, you
don't trust next year's draft class or whatever,

715
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:00,559
but you can be bad and hopefully
you're able to get picks or prospects

716
00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:04,559
out of the KP or Kuzma circumstances, maybe be able to get something.

717
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:07,440
For Denny Afia. I think his
extension eligibility suddenly becomes fascinating. It was

718
00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:12,239
beforehand because he's not this front office
is guy. It's even more so now

719
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,800
because why would you depending on what
I guess it depends on the number,

720
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,039
Why reinvest in someone when you're gonna
when you're gonna have to pay that second

721
00:44:19,039 --> 00:44:22,159
contract as you're going down this rebuilding
route. I think it's encouraging that it

722
00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:27,039
shows ten the ass really did give
Michael Winger and company the autonomy to do

723
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:31,440
this tear down. What is a
little discomfity is you look at what they're

724
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:36,079
gonna be left with as their starting
point, and it's kind of the number

725
00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:38,079
eight. And I love Denny Afia, but I just don't think he's that

726
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:43,679
blue chip like guiding light. Unless
you're able to get real value out of

727
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:50,119
Kuzma and Porzingis in the trade,
you are starting from this completely blank slate

728
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,199
in the sense of it's your own
picks that you're going to be rebuilding through.

729
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:58,000
You can hope to hit on some
flyers second draft guys, but like

730
00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:01,440
there's no other like I end first
round pick coming your way. You're not

731
00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:08,880
getting, you know, like a
premo Houston Rockets pick from UH from OKC

732
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,599
for Christops porzingis rcock. Like,
you're not gonna get Houston's not gonna give

733
00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:15,559
you one of the primo Brooklyn picks
or this. There's not gonna be a

734
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:17,000
team that comes in and gives you
unprotected picks, is what I'm getting at.

735
00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:21,719
For kp probably not even for I
would argue maybe a contender, but

736
00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:24,960
like for Kyle Kuzma. But so
you're and you don't have all these other

737
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,440
pre existing young, promising young players
in place. I think Corey Kisbert made

738
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,800
some strides last year. The jury's
still out, I would say on Johnny

739
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,119
Davis, I'm not sure the Wizards
knew how to use them. We'll see

740
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:39,360
if they know how to use them
this this season. But like that's like

741
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,519
Daniel Gaffer, okay, cool,
like but that that's it. It's a

742
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:45,480
number eight pick really, and Denny
Ava if we want to stretch it out

743
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:51,239
that far. So this is very
much going to be a long, arduous

744
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,679
process in Washington, which is not
like that's not great to think about,

745
00:45:54,760 --> 00:46:00,320
but it also is encouraging that they're
willing to travel down this path because they've

746
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,360
needed to travel down this path for
like, I don't know, probably since

747
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:09,079
two nineteen, Like how many years
is it is this long overdue and let's

748
00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:13,079
be like, let's be kind about
It's where maybe you talk to yourself and

749
00:46:13,079 --> 00:46:15,119
you're like, yeah, they they
should have given it the like I think

750
00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:20,280
even before they acquired Russell Westbrook,
you kind of just knew they had that.

751
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,239
It was in twenty eighteen, twenty
nineteen, they had a thirty two

752
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:27,119
win season. The writing just kind
of very much felt on the wall there.

753
00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:30,880
They've been to the playoffs once during
the past five year span. They

754
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,880
got bounced in the first round.
They haven't won in this five year span

755
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,639
more than thirty five games in a
season, or the equivalent of thirty five

756
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:42,480
games, although they won thirty four
in that seventy two game campaign. So

757
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,119
congratulations to the Wizards were being four
games under five hundred. This is long

758
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:49,599
overdue, and I would say by
at least I'm gonna say it like,

759
00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:52,800
this is something that probably should have
been looked at in twenty twenty. Maybe

760
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:58,719
the circumstances made it hard to self
evaluate because of the pandemic. It's at

761
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,159
least two seasons that I would it's
at least three seasons overdue. And I

762
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,639
think about what you could have gotten
for Beal two or three, two or

763
00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:09,079
three seasons ago, it would have
been a lot more than this. The

764
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:13,639
other note on this is, so
where could Chris Paul go? The Clippers

765
00:47:13,639 --> 00:47:20,400
were mentioned, but I like,
I what does Washington want out of what

766
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,079
the Clippers can give them? They
can guarantee Eric Gordon's contract. That's a

767
00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:27,800
good starting point, and then I
don't know who else you would be offering

768
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,480
in that scenario would be another one
of their like mid end expiring salaries.

769
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:37,079
Is it Eric Gordon and Marcus Morris? Eric Gordon and Robert Covington? And

770
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,880
what do the Wizards want with either
of those players? I don't know if

771
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:44,480
there's a team that's gonna want Eric
Gordon on that guaranteed money at twenty point

772
00:47:44,599 --> 00:47:49,440
nine million dollars to move him.
Robert Covington, Yeah, I guess there's

773
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,800
teams that would want him. He's
at next season, he's at eleven point

774
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,159
seven million dollars. You could certainly
move him that's expiring, if it was

775
00:47:55,199 --> 00:47:58,440
gonna be. And I don't know
how badly you want Chris Paul, but

776
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,960
if it was, if you went
Marcus Morris instead of Eric Gordon, if

777
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,519
you're getting a guard to give up
guard, so I would guess it would

778
00:48:04,519 --> 00:48:07,920
be Eric Gordon and then Morris or
Covington maybe, but toom depending on what

779
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,800
other team is interested. What are
you you know? Are you you're not

780
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,119
getting number thirty? I wouldn't think
if you're Washington, unless is there bad

781
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:19,719
money you're taking back like you have. The Clippers decided that Norman Powell's bad

782
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,199
money all of a sudden, with
the three guarantee years left on his deal.

783
00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:24,760
He's at about eighteen point five million
per year. That's the average.

784
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:29,400
It's at eighteen and then nineteen three
and then twenty five, twenty point five.

785
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,119
I don't think that's egregious money if
you're worried about his health, but

786
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:35,079
I like he can give you some
rim pressure in shooting. Not big enough

787
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:38,079
to defend a lot of threes.
And not particularly long. But I think

788
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:42,280
he's a great fit for this roster, especially when you look at how about

789
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,880
the lack of a velvity with Paul
George and Kawhi Leonard. So I just

790
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,800
there would be a fourth team if
you're opening up this deal, because I

791
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,679
don't think maybe Washington says, no, we'll reroute them on our own,

792
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:58,119
I suppose, But you're not taking
Eric Gordon and then either Marcus Morris or

793
00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:00,800
Covington. I don't think it would
be too because he's important and there needs

794
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,400
to be another team that jumps on
that. If the Tomb is moving out,

795
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:07,159
you're definitely not getting Terrence Man as
part of that deal. Would they

796
00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:09,079
throw in Bones Highland just as sort
of an aunt? Like to try that?

797
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:15,880
Okay? But like I that package
is going to be. That package

798
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,400
is going to be fascinating to look
at if he ends up with the Clippers.

799
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,079
I'm curious as to whether they don't
think that he'll get bought out and

800
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:27,360
then waved or excuse me, that
he won't bought out and then waved.

801
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,880
Wow, are they not confident that
there would be a buyout or he would

802
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,639
be waved and that he just wouldn't
then sign with them. I guess he

803
00:49:34,679 --> 00:49:36,800
would want more. They can only
offer the minimum, and he would want

804
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,840
more than the minimum. So that
would be the thinking here up because in

805
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,320
theory they could just do that if
they had the minima lead offer, maybe

806
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,920
that would be a more palatable route, whereas Chris Paul gets waved and they

807
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,840
give him the minima lead to to
come to them. So yeah, I

808
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,519
guess that's the traits Eric Gordon plus. One of those deals is there are

809
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:54,320
another team. If anyone's in the
chat and wants to say there are another

810
00:49:54,360 --> 00:50:00,280
team that, like Chris Paul makes
sense on I mean Boston functionally. I

811
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,719
just you're not gonna cobble together the
money necessary to trade for him. Would

812
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:12,199
Brooklyn take a stab? Is it
like Joe Harris and money, Like you're

813
00:50:12,199 --> 00:50:15,000
not gonna give Like you could build
something like would you give them a first

814
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:17,119
round pick to take on Ben Simmons
to get back Chris Paul. That would

815
00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:20,400
be something. I guess you could
go that route. I just I don't

816
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,960
think they would. Charlotte, no
Chicago, no Cleveland, no Dallas.

817
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:30,320
If Kyrie Irving leaves, sure,
but they need to make like yeah,

818
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:35,239
no Denver, no, Detroit,
No, Golden State, no, Houston,

819
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,239
no Indie No. The Lakers,
yeah, they would want Chris Paul.

820
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,599
Are they gonna trade for him?
It would be it would have to

821
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:45,960
be a Damigel Russell sign and trade
basically because you can get to if you

822
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:49,880
guarantee Malik Beasley and Mobamba. You're
at twenty six eight, which is not

823
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:53,840
enough to take back Paul's salary.
I don't think let's see six eight.

824
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:00,440
I don't know you could get Paul
for that. So, like, I

825
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,599
guess that could be the deal.
Like, I don't know what the Wizards

826
00:51:02,599 --> 00:51:07,280
want Malie Beasley either, so but
I guess if the Laker, But why

827
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,960
would they nuke their depth, especially
when are you just gonna let the Anel

828
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:14,400
Russell walk in that situation? That
seems like a wasted asset. Memphis,

829
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,800
No, Miami just they're not trading
for that contract. And I'm like,

830
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:21,920
where are you gonna the upgrades?
Not from from him to from Kyle Lowry

831
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,400
to Chris Paul. No, Milwaukee, yes, but only if he became

832
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,880
a free agent. Was willing to
signed for the Minnesota No, they have

833
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,079
calmly now New Orleans, not as
a trade candidate. The Knicks. No,

834
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:38,039
okay, see no Orlando, no
Philly, no Portland's, no Sacramento

835
00:51:38,159 --> 00:51:43,400
Spurs, Raptors. Yeah, there's
I think would very much be the Clippers,

836
00:51:43,519 --> 00:51:46,000
and you can probably talk to yourself
into the Lakers, although I would

837
00:51:46,039 --> 00:51:52,159
not Ryan Gaws as the Wizard's most
frequent trading partner, the Lakers need to

838
00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:57,280
try something here. I guess I
just Mobama and Malik Beasley for Chris Paul.

839
00:51:57,639 --> 00:52:00,519
It makes sense in a vacuum.
But are you gonna can you signed

840
00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:02,239
and trade Deanzel Russell for something then? Because I don't know that you want

841
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,880
both of those players on your roster, and then now you're gonna have big

842
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,440
money he committed to Chris Paul,
DeAngelo Russell and Anthony Davis and Lebron and

843
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,840
you're gonna be kind of struggling for
depth. And I think they would definitely

844
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,719
want to let free agency play out
and see, okay, did we stumble

845
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:22,039
into a Kyrie Irving scenario or something. I still think that they're gonna favor

846
00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:25,079
depth over consolidation. But the Clippers
and the Lakers might be the only teams

847
00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:30,519
that they could really talk themselves into. So fascinating trade here I believe that

848
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:35,360
we've covered all of it from basically
every angle, but DeAndre at and I

849
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,599
being like we can circle back to
destinations for him, we did, like

850
00:52:38,639 --> 00:52:42,199
we went through the whole league before. That's going to be the challenge now

851
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,159
is what is DeAndre at his trade
value? Will I be recording in our

852
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:50,119
Emergency DeAndre Ayton podcast? And The
Athletic also reports that bald chose the Sun's

853
00:52:50,159 --> 00:52:53,280
over others. Choosing them over the
heat was certainly a choice. I also

854
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,760
like Milwaukee would have been fun.
I just don't know if it would have

855
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,280
been enough of an upgrade. And
I think he probably would have wanted them

856
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,519
to use Middleton that's the ballast,
rather than Juliday. The Kings would have

857
00:53:01,519 --> 00:53:05,880
been fun as hell. I just
I'd prefer to see them throw assets in

858
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:09,320
for a wing. Yeah, I
don't the eight and stuff is going to

859
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:14,039
be fascinating. I don't view him
at three years and just over one hundred

860
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:16,800
million dollars. I think he's in
net negative contract right now. And we

861
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:21,119
have a comment from Zigi. If
you're the Bulls, how much of a

862
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:22,599
turn would you expect for zach Lavine? Do you think there's a realistic chance

863
00:53:22,639 --> 00:53:25,360
they make significant moves, how would
you fix them? Stressed out bulls fan

864
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:30,840
totally unrelated to this discussion, but
let's answer it anyway. They're get they're

865
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,400
getting more than this for Lavine.
I know that people don't like his contract,

866
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,679
but I almost feel like zach Lavine
is skewed underrated now. There's concerns

867
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:43,039
about his defense, and I think
his passing is very much secondary. I

868
00:53:43,079 --> 00:53:45,320
don't think he regressed this year compared
to last year, but it felt like

869
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,840
he peaked last year, like not
two twenty two, twenty three, but

870
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:54,360
two twenty one, two twenty two. So having him for four for four

871
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:59,880
years, and what is his number? Four years? One hundred and seventy

872
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:04,039
eight point one million, he's he's
he's a little bit younger than bealb.

873
00:54:04,039 --> 00:54:08,400
What is he twenty eight maybe going
on twenty nine. Zach Lavine is twenty

874
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,719
eight years old, he's got turned
twenty eight. Yeah, you get more

875
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:15,800
for him. I think. I
don't know if this because of the new

876
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:19,880
CBA, like the punitive nature of
the new CBA. I don't know if

877
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,960
that drives down his value at all. Maybe his injury history as well.

878
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:24,519
If I had just set the overrunder. I'm gonna do it again. Maybe

879
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:30,320
I'll be wrong. I'm gonna say
the equivalent of two picks or prospects.

880
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,519
I'm gonna hit the over on that. I just I feel like, if

881
00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:36,199
you have the assets I would if
I was Miami, I'd rather trade for

882
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,480
Zach Lavine over Bradley Beal quite frankly. So I'll set the overruner that.

883
00:54:39,519 --> 00:54:43,840
If I'm the bulls ze I tear
it down. And it's not a matter

884
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,119
of how do you fix them,
it's can you get just prospects and draft

885
00:54:46,159 --> 00:54:52,079
equity and actually slog through more of
a conventional rebuild. You've already wasted some

886
00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:54,360
time because both Kobe White and Patrick
Williams need new deals. I don't think

887
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,320
either one of them needs to be
a part of your bigger picture. I

888
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,840
would I would pay Patrick Williams's next
contracts. He's the extensionals. Well,

889
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,920
now you can let Kobe White walk
this year, you trade de Rosen,

890
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,800
let Bouge walk for nothing. I
think De Rosen would still have some value.

891
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,159
Maybe you get a first round pick
or at least you know a prospect

892
00:55:09,199 --> 00:55:14,440
along those lines. That's the path
for them, and you know you've already

893
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,719
You've conveyed your your worst obligation to
Orlando already, so that's done. You

894
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:21,920
do have that pick owed to San
Antonio. But the way it's protected,

895
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,440
you could very much control that.
It's time to start from scratch. It'd

896
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:29,079
be different if Lonzo Ball was playing. But I think you get at least

897
00:55:29,079 --> 00:55:32,119
a first round pick for Cruso or
the equivalent if it's But I think you

898
00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:35,360
probably get more than a first round
pick, like a first round pick and

899
00:55:35,519 --> 00:55:37,920
like a nice young player or semi
nice young player or something, or at

900
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,119
least a really nice young player.
So I think you get at least a

901
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:44,320
pick or young player for Caruso,
a picker young player for de Rosen,

902
00:55:44,679 --> 00:55:49,199
and then two plus picks slash young
players for Levigne. You probably clean up

903
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,400
your books a little bit. You
can let the Lonzo Ball situation ride out.

904
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:53,840
At that point, Booge can just
walk in free agency. If you

905
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:57,639
want to facilitate a sign and trade, there's a team that really wants them

906
00:55:57,639 --> 00:56:00,280
and they'll give you some seconds or
you create a huge trade exception. Sure,

907
00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:02,800
that's what I would do. Ifire
with the Bulls Ziggy, will they

908
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:07,000
do that? We have to see, but they're in the bird rights trap

909
00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:12,159
with Vooch if they actually want to
win now, I still feel like there's

910
00:56:12,199 --> 00:56:14,760
part of me that feels like this
will be the summer that they're gonna do

911
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,840
something significant. I just don't trust
that it's going to be like doubling down

912
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,320
on this core and just like trying
to you know, we're gonna trade for

913
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,559
Miles Turner and let Luche walk or
do a double sign and trade and give

914
00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:27,800
up actual assets for Miles Turner,
who's a great fit. Doesn't elevate you

915
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,400
to contention. That's how I would
fix the bulls, though, I think

916
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,679
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