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Where are we at in society today? Come after me. I'm a man,

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I'm forty. Go ahead, make
my day every single week. I

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put my freaking heart and soul into
this. I don't go out there and

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laugh. It's not funny. Nothing's
funny to me. I don't wanna go

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out there and get embarrassed on Monday
night football fun of everybody. I think

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this is the beginning of a beautiful
friendship. So I ain't nothing changed from

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yesterday. Still the same person I
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thing for you that I had yesterday. You know why I'm here. You

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play to win the game. You
don't play to just play it. That's

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a great thing about sports. You
play to win, and I don't care

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if you don't have any wins.
Do you go play to win? When

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you start telling me it doesn't matter
if your retire, get out for the

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matters the middle of the week,
we've reached tompday if you will on a

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Wednesday early in July. Welcome to
ex'es and bros. Hey, good to

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have you on board. I'm Matt
Shephard and Trent Bally is our producer.

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What's going on? Always welcome you
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show today talking a lot of football, and we start with some headlines with

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Tigers fall to the Twins five three. Let me ask you this, what

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is it about Minnesota that is perhaps
better than you thought it would be?

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This? This is a team that
won the division a year ago. I

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think a lot of people felt like, well, now they're they're not as

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deep, they're not as talented.
When when you think of really good players

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at different positions, how many Minnesota
Twins are coming to mind? Are you

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thinking of Royce Lewis at third base. I've always liked him. He's never

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really been able to stay healthy,
and he got hurt again last night on

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an RBI double, kind of went
limping midway through home played in first base.

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Manuel Margo, the former Tampa Bay
Ray I don't think so. Carlos

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Santana has had a wonderful career and
gets on base a lot, but I

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mean he's getting up there in age. Ryan Jeffers No, Willie Castro,

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the ex Tiger, who, by
the way, he's bet in like two

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seventy five. No, you're not. You're not thinking Kyle Farmer, the

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former Red at second base. Either. There might be two guys maybe,

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no, not Joe Miranda. It
might be Carlos Correa at shortstop and Byron

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Buxton in center field. And Buxton
is not necessarily the same guy he was

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when he first reached the majors.
Now, really nice catch two batters in

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last night in centerfield. Really appreciate
his athleticism, his speed, his toughness.

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For the most part, he gets
hurt quite a bit. We know

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that. But he's he's a real
deal. I wouldn't take him over some

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of the best center fielders in baseball. So let's not get let's not get

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too crazy with it. But I
do believe that Byron Buxton would be a

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piece for a lot of teams,
don't you, Carlos Correa without a doubt.

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Outside of that, Seriously, there's
not many, and yet this is

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a team that continues to thrive.
I gotta be honest with you. I

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don't think Rocco Baldelli is this magical
mystery man along the bench and in the

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dugout So from a managerial standpoint,
it's been impressive what they've done. And

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I don't say that just because they
beat the Tigers five to three in the

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start of a three game series.
Oh, by the way, they beat

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Terrek Scuble too. This is the
thing we fall back on, and I'm

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guilty of it too. Hey,
the Tiger's got Terrek Scuble going today,

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so that'll put an end to it. At least we'll get a win tonight.

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I don't know that in baseball,
that's the beauty of it. Had

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I told you before the game,
it's Schooble against Simeon Woods Richardson exactly.

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I'll let that sink in for a
minute. Simmon Woods Richardson, who you

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taking? Neither one pitched all that
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We're not gonna get caught up in
that though, are we. You

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see, the era is at two
point four to five. It's really impressive.

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Over the last four starts, it's
close to five. Now, that's

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nitpicking. It doesn't mean that I
wouldn't take Trek's scuble. It doesn't mean

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I wouldn't want him on the mound
if I needed a win. It doesn't

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mean I don't think he's an All
Star. It doesn't mean that he shouldn't

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still be in the Cy Young Award
conversation. It doesn't mean I've lost faith

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in them. I'm just telling you. In a baseball season, it is

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exceptionally difficult as a starting pitcher to
go out there and post every fourth fifth

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day. That's all. It's when
you when you see it, you know

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it right, when you see certain
when you see certain results, even before

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the results. Let's let's put it
this way, when you see guys doing

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certain things during a stretch of a
season, you look at it and you

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go that is special. You saw
it in Justin Verlander. We've seen that

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before. We've seen it in Pedro
Martinez. You and I didn't see it

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in Bob Feller in nineteen forty,
but Pedro Martinez and in nineteen ninety nine

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when he went twenty three and four
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average, it's one of the best
of all time. This two thousand season,

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he had an ERA of one point
seven four. That was pretty damn

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good. I mean, we're talking
about comparisons to Walter Johnson and Lefty Grove

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Grove in the thirties, Greg Maddox, Remember Greg Maddox with the Braves nineteen

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and two one point sixty three ERA, sixteen and six a one point three

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six ERA. Those are those are
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pitcher has ever had. Derek Scubel, I'm not going to say he is

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capable of that, but Derek scuble
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be the ace, all that other
stuff. It is so hard to

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do what Roger Clemens did back in
nineteen ninety He went twenty one and six

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with an ERA of one point ninety
three, had two hundred and nine strikeouts

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that year and for the record,
schools nine and three. Currently after last

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night and Shep, I think this
is what happens to your point, this

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is what happens when you put all
your eggs in one basket, so to

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speak, when he doesn't come through. And that's been the one thing that

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you're leaning on for much of the
summer. It's amplified when you say you're

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putting all your eggs one You're you're
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Correct, correct, Yeah, that's
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We're taking a deep breath and saying, at least he dot dot dot Jack

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Flaherty's got a miss his his neck
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His next start is going to be
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to twenty one thousand. So the Tigers

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lose last night five to three to
Minnesota shouldn't surprise us all that much.

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We know this too. Casey May
is placed on the IL a strained left

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hamstring. I mentioned the Jack Flaherty
news. Carrie Carpenter had a setback in

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his rehab, so he's going to
have to rest and rehabilitate a little bit.

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More doubt he'll be back before the
All Star break. Javier Baiez his

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gun, his rehab assignment at Toledo. I wondered this and Ryan Kreidler had

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hit a two run bomb last night. That's great. I like him.

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I think he's gifted defensively. I
don't know if he'll ever be an everyday

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shortstop. I don't know if the
Tigers are all to give him that chance

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either. Okay, it's funny,
it's my fault too, But when people

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talk about the future shortstop position with
the Detroit Tigers, Ryan Kreidler's name doesn't

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get mentioned much at all any longer. People keep talking about Kevin McGonagall,

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the young high school kid who was
drafted a year ago after Max Clark.

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Not many people give Ryan Kreidler much
of a chance, and maybe that's because

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his offensive numbers are not never have
been great down in the minors. So

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I wondered about this. You're probably
gonna shake your head vigorously. And I'm

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not saying I would do this,
but I wonder if they're at least considering,

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would you consider Tim Anderson. This
is a guy. I mean,

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he's thirty one. He was just
released by Florida because he's been you know,

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less than but he'd bet in two
fourteen. Nothing special there, right.

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If you think you could fix a
guy, he's a He's a guy

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who what about five years ago?
Was it twenty nineteen? He led the

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league in hitting three thirty five he
hit in twenty nineteen, and he's actually

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been a three hundred hitter every season
since except for last season. In this

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one, yeah, and last year
was the year. It was early August,

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August fifth, sixth that he and
Jose Ramirez, it was really more

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Anderson. Ramirez just decked him at
second base. You remember that, Yeah,

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don Rose Anderson. So I don't
know if that completely changed everything but

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it seems to have affected him more
than many people would have originally thought he

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was. He was he's never been
a really gifted fielder. He gets to

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certain baseballs, but his throwing is
a problem. There have been times where

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he was almost lackadaisical in his approach. How much of that was culture in

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Chicago. I don't know. It
could be part of it. You and

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I watch a lot of sports.
Did you see what happened last night with

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Cleveland in Chicago? There's a flyball
to center and Luis Robert is really good

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man. I mean, I should
say he has the he has the ability

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to be really good. He is
a dynamic athlete. I mean it's super

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athletic. He can do everything when
he wants to. He's a young guy

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who's got great strength, great speed, can catch up to baseballs in the

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gap, has a strong arm.
What's the issue? He just doesn't seem

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like he gives a damn. It's
amazing Cleveland Chicago last night. Now it's

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I'm not saying it's a big,
big game, okay, because you've got

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Cleveland on top of the division and
Chicago is in the toilet. It's a

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six to sixth game. In Cleveland, so it's bottom of the ninth as

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you can figure out, right,
And what are the White Sox playing for?

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I don't know. I mean,
I'm not gonna go pride and get

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you all these cliches. They've only
got eight road wins, so they're playing

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for prime. My hope is that
athletes want to compete for crying out loud

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anyway. Michael Koppix on the mound. Bone Naylor, not Josh. Josh

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is the one with power, plays
first base. Bone Naylor's his brother.

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He's a catcher. He comes in
with Andre Simenez, who had singled to

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start the inning and moved to second
on a ground out. He went to

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third on a wild pitch from Kopic. I mean, this is what This

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is what happens with bad teams.
It just spirals out of control. A

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leadoff single, okay, no big
deal, right, Suddenly a ground out

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to first. Jimenez was on the
run, so you're not getting the guy

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at first at second bakes you're not
going to cut down the lead runner.

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Not ideal, right, okay,
but maybe he can get by it.

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And then a wild pitch and suddenly
you're in deep trouble. This is what

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happens. So anyway, bot Naylor
hits a sacrifice fly to center. It's

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medium depth, it's not shallow,
it's not super deep. It doesn't mean

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the game is automatically over. A
guy who gets behind and Jimenez has got

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good speed, but a guy who
gets behind it with Robert's arm at least

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makes a play at the plate,
what do you get? You get him

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backpedaling, not off balance, but
he's sure as hell doesn't get his body

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behind it. There's no momentum moving
forward. Right in that situation, you

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want to be coming towards the I
mean you want to be coming towards the

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plate because it's the game right absolutely
everybody knows it. This is it right

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here? I mean, are we
going to extra innings or or are we

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going to at least hold him at
third base because there's one out? So

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you're hoping you get this and you
at least can get scare him back to

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third base a little bit. And
if Michael Kopek happens to blow it because

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of another wild pitch, then so
be. It wouldn't surprise you, I

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suppose. But the bottom line is
you want some type of well, feel

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like there's a sense of urgency.
I almost said leadership. But Luis Robert

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isn't that kind of guy. No
play at the plate, no throw at

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the plate. You might as well
have played him in just behind second base

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and had that ball loop over his
head. That was the feeling, not

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a care in the world. And
if this is true, it might even

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be worse. But do you think
there's any shot he thought there was two

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outs? No? Well, I
shouldn't have answered so quickly. I suppose

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that's possible. You and I.
Look, I've said this before. It's

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not hard to figure out the count
or the number of outs. Right,

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it's everywhere. It is everywhere.
Glance over your right shoulder, Look to

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the right, look to the left, look right behind home plate. There

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are ribbon boards, scoreboards everywhere in
ballparks. Now, this is not back

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at the polo grounds where men are
putting up the situation with little signs.

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Okay, this is automatic stuff.
You can find out the launch angle of

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a home run almost immediately they're at
the ballpark. So don't tell me you

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can't figure out how many outs there
are. But let's just say, let's

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just say he thought that he wasn't
even in that great a position either way.

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No, like usually what you do
if there are two outs, you

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just kind of drift under it.
Right, He's undecided on how he gets

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behind it. So maybe Tim Anderson
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point? Would this culture change things? Is he better than your option?

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Now? He could also play second
base, by the way, not that

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you want to move Cold Keith,
because Cold Keith is, you know,

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starting to hit the ball a little
bit. It was just something I was

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thinking about, not endorsing it.
I'm just thinking out loud. Always appreciate

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Exes and Bros. Max. Thanks
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your diligence and your research and all
the things that you've done. And I

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was really taken in by your article
yesterday about the Red Wings and the not

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just the draft, but by the
free agency and the lack thereof and your

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honesty with it. How do you
grade? And I'm not looking for a

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letter grade. I'm just looking for
your opinion. How do you grade what

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the Red Wings have done so far, even though it's early on in free

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agency. Yeah, I think if
you look at the moves that they have

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made, there's everything's pretty fine.
I think it's like a solid you know

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yet okay vision contract here, you
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I struggle is when I zoom out, I just don't see really other than

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goaltending, where I do think they
got better. I don't really see many

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other parts of the game where I
look at it and I see a team

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within a better spot in the standings
than they were last year. Now you

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may say, hey, big picture, they may call some kids up,

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they may get some guys playing time, and that's the bettert thing. I

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think that's a perfectly reasonable argument.
But in terms of competitiveness and you know,

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trying to improve on where they were
at last year, where they were

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at tiebreak earlier from the playoffs,
I think a lot of their contributors went

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elsewhere yesterday and I don't really see
meaningful upgrades on any of those guys.

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Shane Gosis theare walks away. He
was their power play quarterback, he goes

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elsewhere for a pretty decent deal.
They replace him with Argustason, who I

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think is pretty similar to Gostus Bear
but didn't have quite as much offense.

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Lose David Perron, huge leader,
huge party of power, play, tough

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guy, one of the best down
low wall players and puck possessors in the

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league. He gets out of town
and I don't really see an obvious replacement

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for him. So right now,
you're right, it's still early. They've

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still got lots of time. I
think there's a few different areas of their

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team where maybe you look like,
well, did they really get much better?

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What would you have liked to have
seen them done? It can't be

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just re signing Gosh, Despair and
Perne, because you're basically bringing the same

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team back. You don't want that
necessarily. What would you have liked to

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have seen them do to improve this
team? Yeah, it's a great point,

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and I think that that is important
to not get lost year. To

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me, I think what it comes
down to is I would have liked to

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see a a little bit more meanness, particularly on the blue line. I

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think if they could have added a
real shutdown d on the right side,

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and maybe they still will on the
right side to take some burden off a

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more outsider to eat some of those
defensive minutes. To me, I think

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that's one of the areas they really
struggled last year, was overburdening more excited,

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was keeping the tuck out of their
own net. And I also think

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thank they I would have probably tried
to go out and add a forward defensively

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that could have given them a little
bit more. You know, the number

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that Alex Wenberg ends up getting is
five million dollars at two years. That

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is a little so I can understand
why they might have wanted to stay away,

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but somebody of his profile is kind
of what I would have been looking

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to do, and maybe they still
will. I think, you know,

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they needed to improve their team defense. They did that a little bit with

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the goaltending, but in terms of
the blue line and even the forward core,

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where I thought that you know,
a lot of the issues actually started

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with having a bunch of forwards who
weren't all that defensively responsible. I think

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those are kind of the two areas
that I point to. You can read

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them on the athletic at m underscore
Boltman, he's Max Bowman joining us here

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on Ex's m bros. Knowing that
and understanding about the defense. Like you

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said, where does this team stand
with the possibility of trading for that type

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of talent that they couldn't sign so
far in free agency? Yeah? And

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I think that is kind of the
key here is yes, free agency.

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You know, a lot of the
top names have kind of started to get

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off the board here, but you
still have time if there's somebody comes available.

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Now. You know, the name
that I think was out there and

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a lot of reports was Jacob Truba. Is that going to happen now?

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It sounds like reading some of those
same outlets as the New York Post,

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it has really heavily reported on this
one, first kind of to bring the

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trade delight and then to really downplay
it. So maybe that one's not actually

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as out there as it sounded like
a couple of days ago. If not

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that, where else do you look? I don't know the answer to that

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question. So if it's not that, are there other ways they can get

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better? Can they get a little
tougher upfront? Can they try to replace

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some of that on the wing where
they had Bron playing. I think that's

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all possible. But in terms of
like throwing a real obvious name out there

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for you right now, there's not
a big one that's jumping to mind,

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And I think that's kind of part
of where you look at where they're at

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right now and you say, okay, well we'll cante the device and then

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do here to get the team at
least back to where they were at kind

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of entering the off season. What
do you think it would take to get

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Truba in a Wings uniform. It's
a great question. I don't know.

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To me, I think that the
biggest question I have. He's got no

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trade clause and he obviously has some
control over his situation. I think the

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biggest thing it would take is the
New York Rangers retaining a lot of cap

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space in Jacob True would be unwilling
to come. I don't know the answer

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on either of those two questions.
I'm not saying that that that I do.

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But you know, to me,
he did sit a profile that checked

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a lot of those boxes they've talked
about. He's a great designsive defense and

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he's one of the most physical players
in the NHL. When his name was

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out there in some of those reports, I think there was a real obvious

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that, especially because he didn't come
with too much term on his existing contract.

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But I don't know if that is
still on the table or if it

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ever was. Frankly, so that's
maybe that shift's kind of not sailing to

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again. I don't know how real
it was or not, but it's certainly

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seeming like a likely avenue right now. What do you think they needed more

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of scoring or defensive protection? It's
a good question to me. The answer

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I think would have been defense.
I think you find others who would say

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scoring. You look at when Dylan
Larkin was out and how much they missed

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him. I think that that's a
reasonable time of the year where they could

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have used more offense. But I
think at the end of the day,

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I still look at it and see
they were the ninth highest scoring team in

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the NHL, and that it was
the defensive end where I think they really

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got dead. So I think they
ideally you want both, and you did

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find the way to keep Patrick Kane
if you're the Red Wings, so that

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helps with the scoring. On the
way to keep Christian Fisher, that helps

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with some of the you know,
the matchups. You hed a really nice

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matchup player for the reverings. They
probably needed it to improve both, but

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I think the defense there was more
room for improvement, and so I think

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maybe that's why I stood out to
me as the top need Max Bowman joining

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us from the athletic here on exus
and bros. Read who stuff on the

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floor and make sure that you fall
him on x at M underscore Boltman.

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This opens the door for younger players, and I love what you rowe.

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You basically said you can't have it
both ways. You can't say, hey,

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I want to see the young guys, but on the other hand,

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I want to sign all these veterans
too. There has to be a nice

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mix, so it opens the door. Who do you think this takes advantage

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of this scenario most in terms of
the younger players with the Red Wings who

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are vying for NHL playing time.
Yeah, and I think we have to

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see if the rest of the off
season to play out to see if those

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spots hold. But if so,
two guys I'd point to, Carter Maser

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and Jonathan Bergrin are both guys who
I think are kind of at the fringe

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of will they be ready for the
NHL to start the season or will they

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start the season in Green Rapids.
They both I thought had really good playoffs

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in the AHL this year, and
they both have a little bit more of

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that hard to play against the profile. They are rookies, so you don't

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want to expect too much out of
time in that way too fast. But

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I think they're both tough kids.
I think they're both smart kids, responsible

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hockey players, and I think Maser
in particular has shown some pretty nice goal

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scoring. Issaman actually really praised his
shot at his press conference a couple of

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weeks ago before the draft. So
maybe one of those guys is is a

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guy who can carve out more of
a role than we were maybe expecting.

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And if that's the case, I
think there's something to be said for that.

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But they've also said they don't want
to really leave spaces for some of

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these kids yet, they want to
make them bump somebody out. So we'll

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see if there's any other moves coming
and if those in main as clear a

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path as they are right now.
Yeah, Max, let me ask you

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this pressure self induced, right,
We all know that, but you write

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about it. I talk about it
in regards to Steve Eishman in the job

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he's done. How much pressure,
additional pressure, I should say, do

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you think we'll be on the general
manager going into this season knowing that,

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sure they've gotten better in terms of
pointints, and they're getting closer to postseason

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play, but the East is so
tough and especially the division. How much

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more pressure does he? Do you
think he gets from the public and from

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00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:15.559
you and your colleagues going into this
season? Yeah? I see, I

405
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think some now, you know,
coming into April and May, I did

406
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think it was possible for them that
this would happen just because of the salary

407
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cap. That the biggest obstacle of
the other thing they're fighting right now is

408
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that they have to get more excited
Lucas Raymond two of their best young players

409
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:36.119
on new contracts this year, and
those deals have not been done yet.

410
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We know they're going to take up
somewhere between ten and fifteen million more in

411
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cap space, and those two guys
counted for last year deals I think are

412
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going to come in somewhere between like
six and nine million for both of them

413
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as well. I would ballpark right
for each of them, I should say.

414
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So it gets harder when you're concentrating
that money there to also spend the

415
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other places, and I think we
do have to be conscious of that that

416
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they are. Those are the realities
of their cap situation. But when you

417
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come within a tiebreaker of the playoffs, you expectations do go up, and

418
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:13.000
with expectations comes pressure, especially for
a team that's you know, been after

419
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:16.800
this for a while and is seeing
some of its young kind of core members

420
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:21.400
keep ticking up an age, right, Dylan Larkin is going to be twenty

421
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:24.159
eight this summer, and you know, you haven't been to a playoff game

422
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:29.039
since this first season with the Red
Wings. So doesn't mean they have to

423
00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:31.679
rush. It doesn't mean they abandoned
the plan or anything like that. But

424
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:36.320
I do think that that's where the
pressure comes from, is building a winner

425
00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:39.280
on schedule to get the most out
of some of their important pieces. What

426
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do you like or don't like about
their goalie situation with whoso lion now Talbot

427
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:51.519
and Campbell. Well? I like
Talbot, especially in particularly the durability showed

428
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:54.440
last year nine thirteen save percentage for
LA in fifty four games. You take

429
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:58.920
that all bait. That's an NHL
starting goalie, So I like that edition.

430
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I like the contract thirty seven,
but he was thirty six last year

431
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:05.159
it was pretty good, right,
So I'm not ready to write it off

432
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:08.239
just yet in terms of, you
know, where's that age curve coming?

433
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:12.599
What I am still unsure about is
they've now got a lot of money tied

434
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:15.960
up there and they have three guys
tied up there, and it didn't sound

435
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:20.199
like that was their hope to have
three guys in the NHL again next year.

436
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:24.079
Goalies don't always like that. It's
hard to share two nets between three

437
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:29.400
guys at practices, let alone in
games. We'll see what if there's something

438
00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:31.840
else coming there, and my guess
would be that there would be, especially

439
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:36.320
because they also went out and signed
Jack Campbell. I think that one's more

440
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:38.800
of a number three. I'd expect
that he's probably in Grand Rapids with Sebastian

441
00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:43.480
Kosa. But there you got a
lot of guys in the goalie room now.

442
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:45.159
So what I like, I think
they got better. What I'm not

443
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:49.079
sure if I like is is it
all too crowded there right now? But

444
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:52.119
they still got time. You brought
up age, So I want your opinion

445
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:58.719
on this. How old is too
old in the NHL. It's different based

446
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:02.400
on the sport you play. We've
seen guys play deep into their late thirties

447
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:07.480
sometimes early forties and still be very
successful and very productive. And the reason

448
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:10.559
I asked this is not just because
of what you said about Talbot, but

449
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:15.920
also because of what Nashville did with
Stamkos and Marshashall, who are thirty four

450
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:21.840
and thirty three respectively and signed long
term deals. Yeah, and I think

451
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:23.440
that's the question that a lot of
teams are trying to work under it.

452
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:28.800
I think some people would tell you
that it's a little different bar for the

453
00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:32.239
superstars right similar like Patrick Kane thirty
five. I don't think there's any reason

454
00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:36.239
to saint Patrick Kane slowing down in
the next two or three years. Necessarily

455
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:39.079
he's he's got an elite hockey brain, he's got great hockey hands. Stephen

456
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:43.639
Stampcos has a great shot. These
these are things that we don't expect are

457
00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:46.360
leaving you with age, but it
does come for everybody. And I think

458
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:52.280
probably even if it man have the
exact same fairy person you are talking about,

459
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:53.960
kind of in that thirty five ranges
where you start to get worried.

460
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:58.400
And if I had to guess,
why did the Red Wings not give Steven

461
00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:01.800
dan Post that same contract that Nashville
did. It's the term factor. Will

462
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:05.480
be the first thing that I would
point to. They got Patrick Kane on

463
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:08.039
the one year deal, and I
think when you look at what they wanted

464
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:10.920
to do, that makes a little
more sense for them. They give them

465
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:15.599
four years to Steven stamfos Let alone. If they got Caine as that's less

466
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:20.199
money. So I do think that
that term factor, that age factor that

467
00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:22.880
you're talking about, is probably one
of the reasons why we didn't see the

468
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:24.800
Red Wings in on some of these
top top names. And I think that's

469
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:29.760
a perfectly reasonable decision to make by
them. It's just you got to find

470
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:31.440
another way then to get better if
you're not going to do it by that

471
00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:36.599
avenue. I don't want to say
you were underwhelmed with their draft, but

472
00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:40.119
I'm not sure you were raising the
flag for the men they drafted either or

473
00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:45.119
the boys, the eighteen year olds
that they drafted. What was your overall

474
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:49.280
take on the hall that they pulled
in on Draft day or Draft weekend?

475
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:52.519
Well, I really liked their first
round pick, Michael bransic neguard Is was

476
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:57.000
one of my favorite prospects in this
draft. You got some size that he

477
00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:00.199
plays a real complete game. You'll
get in on the four check. He's

478
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:02.440
a great defensive player, and he's
got one of the best shots in the

479
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:05.880
draft. To me, that's a
player that you can find a use for

480
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:07.880
in a bunch of different places in
your lineup. I think the most likely

481
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:10.760
is in your top six. So
I really like that pick at fifteen,

482
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:15.079
and I was impressed by Max plant
their second round pick. He wasn't somebody

483
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:20.079
that was maybe as much on my
radar at that spot in the draft coming

484
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:23.000
in, but after talking to a
few people about him right after that pick,

485
00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:25.760
I can kind of see what they're
going for there. He's a playmaker.

486
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:29.679
He's a guy who's shown he's got
a lot of offense, and that's

487
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:34.599
something that they lack in their system. In terms of being underwell, I

488
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:37.119
would say it's like a solid B
draft. I don't think there's anything wrong

489
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:39.199
with it. Like you said,
I do think you know, you're still

490
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:45.320
kind of wondering, can they find
in the draft this guy who's going to

491
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:49.239
outperform where they were drafted. I
think that that's something you need in the

492
00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:52.880
NHL. If you're just going and
you're hitting on your first round picks.

493
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:57.639
And you're not really getting a big
find later in the draft, and I

494
00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:00.960
think it's really hard to get better
quickly. They have one of those guys

495
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:04.039
who I mentioned earlier in Carter Major. He was a third round take a

496
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.079
couple of years back, and he
definitely looks like he's going to make the

497
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:09.039
NHL. He's going to outperform where
he was picked. They got a couple

498
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:12.679
of defense and they've picked in the
second round. I do believe we're going

499
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.119
to make the NHL, but I
still think you're kind of looking for a

500
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:17.760
little bit more of that. But
the deal with the NHL draft CHEP is,

501
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:22.119
you know this, obviously, it
takes these guys so much longer after

502
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:24.880
the first round. Once you get
beyond the first round, you're talking about

503
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:29.400
probably four or five years before you're
going to see these kids in the NHL.

504
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:30.719
So I guess we're just going to
have to kind of see where it

505
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:36.320
goes, all right. Lastly,
real quick, overall NHL free agency.

506
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:39.599
You know, whether it be I
don't care, Mantha going to you know,

507
00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:45.159
where do you go to Calgary?
Or whether it be Marciaso going to

508
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:52.559
Tampa or Gensel going or marshlso going
to a Nashville or againstill going to Tampa.

509
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:58.400
What was your thoughts overall on the
NHL free agency and the biggest surprise

510
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:01.400
perhaps, well, I think I
saw that it was the first time that

511
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:06.960
a billion dollars was spent on July
one and in total contracts, So that

512
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:10.480
was the one big headline a lot
of term. Washington, I think was

513
00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:15.159
a team that I didn't expect to
go the route that they did. You

514
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:16.960
know, they were the team that
got in the playoffs on that tiebreaker over

515
00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:22.159
Detroit last year, and they brought
in some win now guys and Jacob Chickrin

516
00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:24.760
who they traded for at a pretty
good price, and then Matt Roy who

517
00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:29.320
was a defenseman. I think a
lot of people saw as fitting that you

518
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:30.760
know, shut down right the role
the Red Wings made it. He's a

519
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:34.920
local product. A lot of people
thought that could be a fit. Well,

520
00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:38.559
he got a whopper of a contract
from the Capitol seven years and I

521
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:42.880
think it was five or five and
a half dayable with the AAV so you

522
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:45.519
could see why the Revans probably wouldn't
have gone to that that number with him.

523
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:49.599
But the Capitals all of a sudden
and I spent you know, I

524
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:53.079
think what you will about piolist Dugois
and they gamble that they make in trading

525
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:57.840
for him. There, they are
a team that looks like they should be

526
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:00.280
better than they were this last year
when they got into the play off.

527
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:02.440
So from a Red Wings perspective,
I think might be take away with a

528
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:06.639
lot of the team that the Red
Things are trying to catch to Tom make

529
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:09.159
it any easier to catch them.
Well, threw a lot at you this

530
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:14.039
morning and you handled it all exceptionally
well, no surprise there. Great stuff

531
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:16.679
with the athletic great stuff on x
or on Twitter. Max, thanks for

532
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:19.880
the time today, Man, really
appreciate it. Keep up the great work.

533
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:23.679
But I appreciate you listening and appreciate
you joining us and educating our listeners

534
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:27.519
a little bit more. Hey,
my pleasure, Matt. Thanks so much

535
00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:31.960
for having me and appreciate your reach
out. It's good stuff from Max Boltman.

536
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:37.639
It's a situation right now though with
the Red Wings. And this is

537
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:43.599
the reason I asked him the question
about Steve Eisaman and the pressure and it

538
00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:47.320
does relate to our poll question that
I'll get to here in a moment,

539
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:52.159
and that is that they really haven't
made that quote end quote, big splash

540
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:57.440
that many people thought they were getting. So that leads us to the poll

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00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:01.000
question for today. Is it time
to start questioning the iSER Plan? Yes

542
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or no? And then we'll respond
to and give you the final results of

543
00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:10.079
yesterday's poll question which team had the
better free agent signing period? Red Wings,

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00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:14.199
Pistons or neither? But we invite
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