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evening, everyone, and welcome to macmloney's military style show here on the Distant
Thunder Radio Network. This is macmloney one. What the show we have for
you tonight. But first let me introduce the members of the who say,
as the kids say on the streets of Paris, girls, get ready,
sitch yourselves down, stop fanning yourselves immediately, get your mista, get your
round windecks, get your squeege Inulu because very famous one one is here.
Hey, girls, say Mac, thank you for having me on the show
again tonight. By the way, what's the wind explore? They bought a
little time slot on the show. So okay, alternate to clean the glasses
or something clean, clean the monitor, Yeah, alternate uses about to be
here, glad to be anywhere as a matter of fact, and well,
yes, come everybody to tonight's show. It's gonna be great. He froze
up a little bit there with emotion. What's going on over there? In
England? Finished a bank holiday, you know as the oral day over in
Europe, play holiday holiday. So I asked around, what's the holiday?
I mean usual to bank holiday commemorate something, you know, Father's Day,
Mother's Day something or whatever. Yes, And everybody looked at me like it's
just a bank holidays. We have a bunch of him throughout the year.
It's it's just a dumb way for us to take a day off, that's
all. So we'll dig this. We got some holidays coming up here in
America. First one, seventeenth of June Bunker Hill Day, all right,
free ice fourth of July Independence Day, We kicked your ass, kicked yours
or Independence r I've got my American bunting hung up. It would be hung
up shortly to prove it as my decorating my cottage with American bunting. Wow.
Okay, let's see. Let's see if anything happens from the pub down
the street. Yeah, hopefully they're not listening to the shop. JJ.
When you're walking down the street, do you say I'm a Yankee doodle dandy?
No, I don't. I don't really advertise myself as being American.
But I'll have to do is open my mouth when people say, hey,
you're American. You probably shouldn't want to identify yourself as a doodle dandy either,
no matter what country you're in. But let's move on. No Coco
mill skills and Gigi guils I'd save in the country if not the world.
However, on Natural correspondent switch place, he Wood is with us down there
in let's say, Frida Egg West Virginia, switching what West Virginia? You
know, Friday, Friday Friday. I'm googling that one. Yeah, I'm
running. I'm doing very well, beyond wonderful. All right? That tonight
is you on night? Right? You realize that absolutely a lot of it
is about John Hero Fellow Cullians are gonna be on Killians? Really? Is
that where we are with this? All right? Why don't we introduce our
security chief, Willie Club Willie Hey mac Agang. Great to be here tonight
Club, to feel it in the air with the guests where I got coming.
I'm pretty excited about it and pretty happy to see that switch. He's
dressed up forward too. He got dressed, Yes he did. He's got
that hip. He scented perfectly right, well, he had a pure it's
his night. I spent a lot of time centering that. And it's very
secure with double sided duct tape on a clean shirt. Good. Yes,
yes, the first I thought his ship was on those T shirts. It
looks like a tuxedo, but not, No, I don't think so.
He's showing it to me, and do I really want to know what it's
from? An all night feature? Okay, all right, yeah, you
don't wear that out, do you? Uh? Occasionally should the chicken had
to be kind of dressed you down there, wouldn't it? Yea, so
he had. I thought he had the tuxedo shot on. Also, he
goes commando was just the rain coat. Well, just you know, in
case, you know understorm the right cut take it. This is a joke
there, but I ain't going anywhere near it. Uncle Ale the Kiddy's Palace
here in the studio with us at Ronaldo ufa mechan Oh mack, hello everyone.
What are you drinking then? Tonight I'm drinking against it from arrogainst Right
Island. Yeah, okay, yeah, I used to steal that from my
flava, you know, four or five years old. Also, what was
the slogan back in the day when narragance it was popular? It was,
hey, hey, Niba half again high You making fun of me? No,
I'm making fun of her that commercial Oh yeah, yeah, that's a
good cartoon during the red sock. Yeah, like those that get on these
days. Right, Well, listen, it's time to calm down because our
favorite good witches here up there in sideways. And yeah, Raven is with
us. Raven, how are you hello, my friends. I'm doing great,
thanks for having me. Okay, slightly different look tonight, but I
should tell everyone it's definitely a bun night, right, bun night. It's
it's a half up, half down bun night because I didn't wash my hair.
So this is the best I could do with short notice. Okay,
not like a short notice I know every week, but maybe tmi. But
okay, all right, Yeah, I know that not washing hair actually makes
you look more attractive. What do you want. I know. I'm having
a half up, half down night myself. It's really good. Club.
Yeah, well, you know he got some of the things that are down
trying to hang on, hang on, listen. He got some color in
his face on Sunday, Yeah he did. I did some kind of burn
from Sydnauto Max dec And all those bees flying on the one bee flying around
he's cap com and even bees they call him coper be. Yeah. Oh,
I have carpenter bees. They're so cute. Every time I put my
laundry out on the line, they fly around me and I try to hold
my hand out to see if one of them will just land in my hands.
He was running around all day with Yeah, that was running around trying
to I was trying to kill it. So yeah, in between all that
and a lot of drinking and I drinks. Nice day, beautiful day.
We just you know, it was Sunday and Memorial Day weekend. Just nice.
It's really nice. Yeah it was hot, but you could have been
ninety anyway. So let's go to Oh, Ravens, So who's on tonight?
Who's on the show tonight? Yes, so we do have Barbara and
MORGANA. I mean saying that great switch morgana MORGANA I had. I had
quite a learning curve learning how to pronounce morgana. Okay. And they are
the hosts of six Degrees of John Keel So that should be super fun.
Oh wow, oh cool, yep podcast In case anyone is wondering, jog
John Keel is. He's one of my favorite writers, not that I read
a whole lot of them, but one of the first paranormal books I read,
probably the first one I read was just one day picked up the Mothman
Prophecies in uh, you know, and maybe like a yeah, i'd sale
or something and use bookstore and read it, and I says, wow,
this is good because this is this guy can actually kind of write, and
he's talking about all these weird things and he's seemed pretty on the ball.
So and then he's in Switch. It turns out that he switches hero.
I mean, how many books did he write? You know? So oh,
I don't know, uh six or eight. But then there's a lot
of collections of his uh articles, yes, that he's written over the years,
and things like sag A True Arcacy, UFO Repair and various men's magazines.
Now, back in those days, men magazines weren't, you know,
girly magazines. They were They were like guys going out hunting and killing Bambi
and having adventures and you know, really tough dudes that smoke cigarettes and stag
booze and kicked too. Yeaheah. Men's magazines just say men. And they
were plentiful. I mean that was the Brad Steiger used to talk about how
you could make a good living selling articles in those days to those kinds of
magazines. Yeah, oh yeah, well they'd pay you, you know,
back then, they might pay you twenty five to fifty bucks and that wasn't
bad back in the fifties. That was really those are nice paycheck from writer.
But anyway, so he's your hero as well, which we know that.
So, as it turns out, we did. We don't have a
top ten list tonight. Thanks. So last week's controversy, Hey, what
a what a great night last week? Yeah? Yeah, we have a
top twenty. How about that? Now we have a true and false about
John Keela Switchy. Okay? Is that what it is? Right? Oh?
Hey, that's that's what you sent me. Top ten true or false?
First? Oh, I'm reading the email. I'm sorry. Uh yeah,
John keel trivia true or false? Okay? And what's the what's the
cash prize from? There's five thousand dollars as always, you can return next
week for the show. There you go, what's either raw? I'm having
a pedicure next next week the same time. Okay, So he has an
excuse if he loses. Okay, So why don't we just do it right
now? So this is ten twelve false questions about John keele f Switchy Please
right right, start the music? Um, okay, so we're actual.
Were we going to start by asking club a trivia question club, can you
name Switchies three cats, minim and Mike. Wow, we got it.
Amazing, Wow, you're really close switch twitter is what is it? Just
named the three cats for us? Please Keel, Rosie and Willis. Keel,
Rosie and Willis. Okay, all right, so now all right,
here we go ten to a false question about John Keel for Switchy, Please
rave an number ten number ten true or false. Keel once published an article
titled are you a repressed sex Fiend? John Keel once yes and no to
a false once published an article called I US sex Fiend. Yes. Back
in the early days when he hit New York and Greenwich Village, he would
he would have these prebrocative titles just to sell articles and get attention. Yeah,
this is long before he got into his uh you know, intense UFO
research and everything. Very good question. How you got interested in him,
Stretch? Well, you know I was curious, as is. I would
say, repressed sex thing I've always tried to do with my toxic masculinity.
Really, yes, okay. You know what Coco always says that John Keel
basically invented clickbait. Well he uh, you know, it was perfect for
the tabloids. He could, he could write for anything. Yeah, yeah,
funny, that's funny. I was gonna say what Coco usually says is,
once you dig in a hole, stop Yeah right, okay, So
anyway, here we go. Number nine ready, number nine? True or
false? Keel hated cats so much he invented cat traps, which were essentially
very large mouse traps and just as effective. I'm gonna say a false.
That would be my answer too. I actually don't have any of the answers,
Max, I do that I read he might have what I don't don't
remember reading any reference that's actually false? That's false? Please? That was
that's man. I'm getting closer to that cash bonus. Now, all right,
Remember Keel wrote scripts for the TV show The Monkeys. Keel wrote scripts
for the TV show The Monkeys. Ah, he wrote scripts for a lot
of TV shows. I'm gonna say false on that. I don't think he
wrote for the Monkeys. Actually he did. He wrote for The Monkeys and
Get Spot. Yeah, he wrote for a Lost in Space. He wrote
both flips for Murder Griffin. But I never never knew that he wrote the
scripts for the Monkeys. Yeah, it'd be funny to see what show he
did? You know, well, you know they did. The Monkeys did
a spoof on remember the Invaders TV show? When you shoot the aliens,
they burn up in the atmosphere and they've got like they had. You could
tell him because sometimes they had like a stiff pinky gets copied by the aliens
and you can tell he's an alien because his feet around backwards. Oh good,
okay, that's always a sure sign. I was gonna say, I
hope he wasn't gonna say, yeah, a stiff pinky and that's all they
know. But all right, we had number seven, please please True false.
Keel was the first person. Wait why does night email do this?
Hang on a second? Okay? True false. Keel was the first person
to coin the term men in black. Kiel was the first person to coin
the term men in black. H he probably Well, it may have actually
been Albert bender Now there's a dispute there. There's a guy named Thomas Malone
that that's spoofed. Keel bought his story for a short while, and he
actually may have been the one that did. I think there's some evidence to
suggests that Albert Bendert did. But this is one of those things that would
be in dispute, so you know, people will have different answers on that.
Well, his baio says that he didn't in fact claim the tourn met
in black. So who knows next? Please right number six? True or
false. Keel was known to his close friends as Dick Grangler due to all
the poon tang he got over the years. Never heard that's string, that's
that true. I never heard that story. Just crazy enough to be true.
I'll say true, it's it's false. But but instead of originally I
had instead of Dick Wranglo, which is my favorite Poe star name, originally
had in the uncle Milty. But I don't think anyone would get that if
you used uncle Milty in there would anyone who got that joke? Yeah,
well, I supposed to be a yeah, that's what I'm saying. Alas
displaying a graphically here in the studio Luckily Radio show a nice Please right number
five YEP number five? True or false. Kiel wrote a book called Disneyland
of the Gods. Kill wrote a book called Disneyland of the Gods True,
a book with it had several chapters. It's very similar to the Beyond the
known articles he did for fake magazine where we have a particular subject or write
about some kind of paranormal thing. Always interesting. And he had a collection
very similar. He had had a fake collection as well. But he did
write a book called Disneyland of the Gods. Right, yeah, interesting title.
Nice Please n This is ten to a false questions about John Kiel Foughts,
which we are at number four h true or false. Kiel was a
lifelong resident of Truth or Consequences, New Mexico. Kill lived in Truth the
Consequences, New Mexico for most of his life. True a false false false?
Here where he lived? Do you know where he lived? Ritchie,
New York. Yeah, he lived on the Upper West Side of New York.
So he must have been either rich or he I think he was a
benefit of rent control. Oh that could be too Okay, that makes sense.
Do you guys know how Truth or Consequences got its name from? Was
it from the TV show? It was a radio show. I believe they
ran a contest and that was how the town got named. Yeah, and
a lot of bad things have happened there, is it? Yeah? Really?
Yeah? You know, when you when you address a letter there,
you can just put TRC New Mexico. You don't have to spell it all
out. This is a so TRC. Yeah, yeah, you could do
a deep dive on that. That would be fun. What have they been,
like murders and paranormal stuff going on at that place? That'd be excellent
and excellent. Lots of murders. Yeah, lots of murders for sure.
I'm not paranormal, but I know a lot of um like paranorm I'm on
your folks. Sightings occur in that type of an area. That would be
that would be worth a deep dive. In my opinion. It's just funny.
You see it on a map and you go, this has to be
tied to the show slumpthing, you know, man, it turns out it
was. Okay, Next, this is the top. This is ten questions.
Two false questions to switchy about John Keel okay, Number three true or
false Keels bones are okay true. Real Keels bones are buried in your backyard.
John Keel's bones are buried in your backyard. Switching yes and no,
Wow, no it's Jimmy Hoffa. Oh that's where nobody. Yeah, yeah,
well there was about a five second hesitation there and he took a breath,
and he much of a backyard. Okay, all right, well it
wasn't a big guy. Okay, let's see. He's a ten true or
false questions. It's about John Keile for Switchy, please right number two two
or false? Keel was first cousins with Hollywood actor and star of the TV
series Dallas, Howard Keill. Howard Keel was on Dallas for a while,
and he was first cousins with John Keel. That's false, That is false,
Switchy. So you got one, okay, next one really got more
than one? All right? And finally, true or false, your cat
named Keel appears in your dreams every night telling you to quote unquote lose those
other two cats or else. Well, not quite. He does say belief
is the enemy, okay, and then he says, I can see the
bottom of my food dish. I'm starving. We'll put the tdarian right there.
Okay, you Switchy. How many of that? You didn't quite make
the five thousand dollars? I don't think Well, I'll take the thirty five
bucks. That's okay. Oh really, okay, club club, can you
take care of that place as a secret. Yeah, I'll send you a
check science this time? Wow, he had that load? Adob didn't he?
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networking. This is Mac Maloney. Alrighty, what a show we have you
tonight. Girls. You should be sitting down missing and just you know,
looped up. I guess you could say, I don't know what else.
I don't really go anymore. Ray fans one one is here, Yeah,
baby, loop it up? Hello man, Hello, everybody, Welcome to
the show. Hopefully it won't be X rated. It's just gonna be fun
and the whole family. Are they two different things? Okay? Anyway,
No Coco tonight, he's up by Jeffrey Lube. Actually got a hey him,
let it today, Jiffy Loo. Not a bad idea. Think about
that for a second. Thank you club. Okay, why you're the one?
Um? Someone a fan was wondering if Coca could fly in in his
helicopter, pick her up and fly her to the exit of UFO car good
request. Yeah, yeah, I said never say never. But I'm pretty
sure that that literally a plane he flies in. The thing looks like Star
Wars. I don't think. I don't think you can get more than two
one person in that. Have you ever seen that it's an experimental plane.
Yeah, I don't know if it's a one or two passions. I don't
think it's a two passage. So what's the nearest airport man, probably Peas
Air Force Base to exit or peace. Yeah, you have to, yeah,
anyway, but you know the legend of Coco lives on. So anyway,
switch very quickly, yes, because we just had a animated conversation off
the air about what so horror movies? Horror movies. But I just we
have to ask Switchy first. Would you have a breakfast? Oh? I
had. It was more of a brunch. I went to Tutors Biscuit World,
Yes, and I happened to know this to have this meatloaf special.
So I had meat loaf, mashed potatoes and gravy with corn and they also
throw in a biscuit. But the biscuit was a little too much, so
I just brought her home. Yeah, yeah, and I had water with
it. Water. Yeah, what are you not drinking coffee anymore? No?
I drink go offing another stuff once in a while. Water seemed right
today, they really Yeah, I love that whole mateloaf thing. Man.
My mother was a great cook, ary o. Well she writes us every
month or so. She knows how to make meat loaf and mashed potatoes and
gravy. I could live on that forever. In catch of course. Yeah,
really good. So while we were off there, we were having a
spirited discussion about Winnie the Pooh. Um. I had to admit that I
didn't know anything about Whinnie the Pooh. The name is I always kind of
put me off a little bit of say, okay, so, but Raven
has done a semi deep dive into so what is everyone in the in the
in the book is dysfunctional? Is that what we're saying? So I definitely
have not done a deep dive on this. Um. But this is a
theory that I very much agree with that all of the characters from Winnie the
Pooh represent a different mental illness. UM. So for example, uh,
Winnie the Pooh, the bear would represent an eating disorder. Um. The
little Pig is anxiety disorder. Steger is adhd um Christopher Robbins, for example,
is they they put him as schizophrenic because I believe the uh, the
backbone of this is that he is imagining all of these little creatures. Um.
But it's it's really interesting. Um. They say that the owl is
narcissistic personality disorder, the rabbit is obsessive compulsive disorder. And I think for
obvious reasons or is major major depressive disorder. And it makes sense. Wow,
do what about baby route for someone can get in baby room? She
was they they have their own issue. Yeah, what about you didn't mention
tigga yea the tiger adhd. I just have to ask a question yet,
one one, do you have any idea what they're talking about? I have
no idea? Yeah, yeah, So what happens a guy those disorders Winned
the Pooh with his h Yeah, graphic a graphic on Winned the Pooh and
mental illness. There's a whole like you can put on a tinfoil hat and
and go down rabbit hole. And I, uh, this is years this
is probably almost ten years ago. Now. I got into a fight with
somebody about this on Facebook a long time ago. I don't even have a
Facebook anymore, but I got to do a fight with somebody because this woman
was like, they're ruining cartoons, and I was like, this would make
it so that everyone feels included. What are you talking about it? I'm
like, shut up, I shut it right down. It think it was
done ridiculous. Was it done on purpose? Was it written that way?
Or is it just the way everyone's kind of looking into things. It's the
way that people are looking into it. But it makes total sense when you
really look at it. Yeah, you know it's I don't know if it
was done intentionally. I haven't really, I have not done a deep though.
What's the name of the guy who wrote it? Melnieie a a Milnie
Ye? Yes, I feel like I maybe mispronounced the last name. I'm
not no, I just never yeh. See. From what I understand,
Christopher Robin was just a young boy who didn't have a lot of friends.
He had all the stuffed animals, yes, and he gave them personalities.
He made them come alive to him. So Whinnie the Pool was just teddy
bear he had, and he had all the other guys and he behind his
house there was a one hundred acre would. It was a large ordered area
he hung out and played with with all his pals. I don't know if
I'm buying this, Raven. I think you need to get on Facebook so
we can argue about it. I definitely need to make a new Facebook account
and just start arguing with everyone I can find about number two. They did
great things, so discovered the North Pole. They were tracked by a horrible
helflo and they tracked. Were you talking about? I think I think you're
on Doctor Seuss, Doctor No, no, no, no, Whinnie the
Pooh went to the North Pole? I don't remember. They went on an
expedition to discover the North Pole and the three acre would and they literally find
this pole and declare it the North Pole. Wow, this is fascinating,
convenient. Whatever they were, well, they didn't have to you know,
hey, a lot of air fare or or who you justification to the North
Pole? Whom on? Did you just send me a line to a Polen
movie about the Hope? Not? Okay, it's it's kind of a cool
winn of the Pooh. Uh what does it mean graphic really that Raven's talking
about? Yeah, okay, yeah, it's interesting, like uh, maybe
I'll do a deep dive on it and go weird. I mean, I
am going to say one more thing before we move off of off of me.
Yes, if we ever move off of Winnie the Pooh, we have
to move off of Winnie the Pooh. Plea talked enough about it, Um,
I need to point out the beer that I'm drinking. I found at
a brewery that I went to on Saturday. We were in Wilkes Barre,
Pennsylvania, and we were there because we went to Centralia, Pennsylvania. I
don't know if anyone knows what Centralia is. Sure a lot of our listeners
might. If you're if you're a fan of horror movies, you definitely know
what this is that is based That's the town that Silent Hill was based off
of horror movie because there is an underground mine fire that started in nineteen sixty
four, I think, and it's still burning today and its own is abandoned
and it's a ghost town. It was so cool. It was very creepy.
No one's there. No one walked on what was left of like the
Graffiti Highway, which is literally it was it used to be a highway.
It was they demolished it in twenty because this is a timeless show, so
I won't say the year they demolished it. And so we walked on what
was left of it, and we we stole some highway and we took some
coal, um And it was really interesting though, it was very surreal just
seeing streets used to be real streets that were just completely overgrown and all you
would just see a random stop sign with like a little bit of pavement and
then it was just completely overgrown. Really interesting, still houses here safely and
view all the stuff. Um, the locals really don't like people like me
coming into you know, ruin their day, I guess because there are there
are I believe ten ten or twelve residents that still live there that refused to
leave. Is there smoke in the air? Is can you see any sign
of the mind fire? We didn't see any, but it was a very
clear day, so I'm assuming that's why I can imagine at night you probably
would see did they tear the houses down? Or are there houses still there?
If you look up pictures of what the town used to look like,
it looked like Main Street, USA, and now it's like you're driving through
and It's like you would just see a random house, like in a field.
There used to be hundreds of houses surrounding it and there's like one left.
What a place to film a movie? What a what a location a
film? A movie would be something of the name of the town is what
Centralia? Centralia yet c E N T R L A. I. Yeah,
I don't know, I can't spell. But if you've seen Silent Hill,
you know exactly what I'm talking about. If we haven't seen Silent Hill,
you should watch it. It is such a good movie, and it's
very loosely based on it. But the interesting thing is that there's literally a
fire just going yeah, at all times underground. That's crazier is that driving
in there. There are other communities like two miles away from this town that
were just like whatever, yea whatever that was me. I'd be gone,
yeah, yeah, I was flourishing communities like nothing's going on. It's gotta
be sulfur in the air, gotta be yeah. So anyway, Wow,
that's interesting. Yours help. Um, So there's one other thing we were
gonna talk. Oh, first of all, Raven, please could you tell
the audience the phrase the page the phrase that pays. The phrase it pays
is Friday, I'm in love. Friday, I'm in love, Annie,
I'm please write to Macloney's Military X knowledge. Now what am I talking about?
Wing me in? What is it wing mean at macaloney dot com?
Is that it I should probably know that. Let's start again. Let's start
check with your ghost. Um did you just give out your personal cut?
All right? Here are you? Um? So? Anyway, that's the
phrase that pays, and please go to macloney dot com hit the contact button.
Say I heard Royvens say. The phrase that pays is Friday I'm in
love a UM line from a song about the Quo. And the first four
or five people who write to us from this show and also from Raven's Scary
movie Hour, we'll get a free copy of macloney's new book War of Dragons
on sealed everywhere autograph copy. So just go to macloney dot com hit the
contact button. The phrase to pays is please one more time Raven alrighty,
I'm in love, Um, Friday, I'm in love And first four or
five people will say five people who write to us with phrase to pays Friday
Mloon get a free copy of of Dragons by macmaloney on Seal Everywhere. Okay,
so why don't we do this? What's next? Switchy? Do you
have anything? Just I do? Okay, why don't we do something?
Would you? No? Hang on, I'm gonna cut that out today.
All right, I'm string him up. Oh man, his his lawyer Colling.
I just wrote this. Or do I get a copy? Uh?
Yeah, oh yes, you do. Well, we're only four copies left.
Okay, all right, let's let's eka press. Okay, switching,
why don't we put in your buppet music right here? And now it's time
for another story from the Lost Animals of the Paranormal. It's time for Steve
Ward's Report from the Fringe, and please elucidate us. The source of this
comes from the book Mimics by Tim Schwartz the others amongst us. All right,
and also now there's a lot of contributors to this book. Are the
friend of the show. Paul Dale Roberts contributed a good friend of the show.
Now this is a little bit the shades of Disappearing people Missing four one
one Raven a couple of weeks ago did a classic missing person case and we
talked a lot about David Politis and his stuff this particular. I'm going to
give two examples here, and they kind of overlap with the fairy lore or
the elementals, and even David Politis has recognized some of the parallels between other
aspects of the paranormal, like folklore and some of the missing form. On
one material, this comes from Dublin Line News Roslyn Cullen, and she writes
about a woman unnamed, a woman from from Meath County, and she's out
walking in the wood. She actually has a step counter on there. Got
some kind of a challenge going at work. So she's going through the woods
and she happens to pass through these two trees that are right next to each
other, and she touches them both as she passes through. One is strangely
warm and the other is cold and wet, And once she steps through,
she starts to become a little bit disoriented. There are three paths there.
She takes one and things aren't really looking normal. She takes one and it
comes up to a bunch of brush where she she can't even pass. And
she takes each of the other pathways, and no matter what she does,
she can't find her way back. She can't find those two trees again,
so she can't really explain what's going on now really becomes beyond her ability to
explain. Now, she h after she was unable to find her way,
she had turned where she had turned left at first time, to no avail.
Now then she heard this low voice, very low voice, saying over
here, over here. Now there had been other people around before she got
in this got disoriented. But when when she heard that, she just assumed
it was somebody calling somebody else. But then she heard a laugh at the
end of this voice, and involuntarily the hair on her necks good him.
And she had she had grown up with learning about fairy lore and that sort
of thing, so that's she kind of thought there was some kind of a
fairy enchantment going on. And she had heard that if you put your clothes
on inside out, it could help you break the spell. So she does
it. She takes her shirt off, turns it inside out. She said,
she said, I felt like I was being mental, but she did
it anyway. Now almost immediately spell or the enchantment broke, and she found
the two trees. She rushes through them, believing that things are going to
be turned to normal, and actually they did, and you know everything,
everything comes back to normal. She hears other voices and she's doesn't hear this
little tiny voice again, which in that laughs just scared the hell out of
her. Some said that she may have stepped on what they called a stray
sod. Now that's a clump of grass that has been enchanted by the fairies
contentionally causes one to be disoriented if you step on it. And then that
was that event was over. Now here's another one. Once you get a
joke, a joke is in there some way, but not today. Sorry,
Yes, do I get more money for jokes? Try try us?
Okay? Now this comes from a book called the Middle Kingdom and two things
about this. It's Jerre mc McManus that wrote this, and it was in
the nineteen fifties. It's very much like Evans Wentz. I don't know if
you guys remember Evans Wentz that Jacques Valet talked about at some length. He
in nineteen eleven he wrote the book called the Fairy Faith of the Celtic Countries,
and he went around talking to people about their one or one encounters with
the fairies with elementals, these weren't merely stories handed down from generation after generation.
And now mcderbot did the same thing. He said, these are not
fairy tales that have been told and retold. This is like us going and
talking to UFO witnesses in Bigfoot Witnesses. And it's interesting because when I first
read the source of this particular story, which takes place in nineteen thirty five,
I first read it in an issue of The Flying Saucery View, and
I kept tracing the source until I find it was from the Middle Kingdom.
That was good because that's the original source and you get more information. And
it turns out his aunt, who lived in Mayo, Ireland, required companion
help. She had a housekeeper, but they also hired this local girl of
nineteen, very capable, and she was just somebody that came to help her
it alone. And one Saturday, after living there for several weeks, she
had the afternoon off, so she decided to spend it with the soul and
family, that's the housekeeper's family. They were going to have her over at
dinner at seven pm. A beautiful day, so she's going over there and
she decides to climb the nearby ferry fort called Lissard. Now, she had
plenty of time and she didn't have to be there to like I said,
seven pm. And but when seven pm rolls around, she had not shown
up. The other cottages in the area were checked. No one had seen
her, so the alarm went up. A large group of men went out
with lanterns because it was starting to get dark. The last party came back
about midnight empty handed. A few minutes after the last group came back,
the young girl walked through the door, sank into a chair, and burst
into tears. Fortunately there was a kitchen fire and they said. He says,
strong key brought her backup bench. I've had something. So then she
tells her story. She had climbed the Fairy Mound again beautiful day and she
could see a lot of the surrounding countryside. There's a group of trees at
the top, and again just just like a gorgeous summer day. But then
there was a bit of chill in the air, so she decided to descend
the mound and finish her trek over to the Solons. As she walked down
toward a gap in the outer bank, she was just at the opening when
she felt a sort of a jerk from kind of inside. It wasn't She
wasn't feeling pressure or being pushed from outside. It was something inside. And
then all of a sudden, she found she was walking right back up the
hill as she had just walked down. She tried several times to get down
through this gap, and she was like teleportation. It was like she was
immediately turned around and she was walking up the hill. And then she tried
to sidestep and climb over off to the side, but when she did,
she seemed to come to an invisible wall. No matter how she tried to
pass, she could not get through. And then she felt an evil presence
that was not there before. It seemed to be coming from a specific part
of the ferry fort up high. And then of course darkness fell. It's
a moonless night. She can't get through. But then her hopes rose because
she saw a lantern bobbing in the dark of the search parties came near her
and she could hear them calling for her. She yelled back, but they
were unable to hear her no matter how loud she yelled. Another group pain
came by the same thing. She couldn't get through the barrier. They couldn't
hear her. Now, she kept watching these lanterns kind of disappear into the
woods, and all of a sudden, all of a sudden, the barrier,
the enchantment or whatever it was, disappeared. And so she moved very
carefully because it's pitch dark, and she kept her eyes in the distant lanterns
to find her way home, and finally, obviously she did. They said
that she told her story with the sincerity. She was clearly exhausted. They
had checked to see if she had spent any time at the other cottages,
and you know, it just has that creepy four one one vibe. You
know, she hears the voices in the night, they're out there, she's
yelling, they can't hear her, and she can't make her presence known.
So these are two instances that again based on fairiyal or you can decide whether
or not they're true or not. But very very interesting to find parallels like
this. What's the explanation though, is there? What? Just that this
hill is kind of haunted? Whatever about the fairies and if you go up
there, you do show at your own wrist that type of thing. Well,
they're some of them are very mischievous. Some of them are supposed to
be very helpful, you know. It was perhaps again, if this is
a true story, they are they were just messing with her for a while
and then eventually let her go. But perhaps some people don't get let go
and we never see them again exactly. Some of them are straight up hostile,
yes. Others produce healing, you know, yeah, riches and so
forth. They're definitely not like the fairies that you picture in like insert Disney
movie. Right, yeah, Okay, what's the difference. Tell us the
difference in some art, you know, they're like fairies from lore. It's
not it's not f a i r y. It's f a r r I
right r E something like that. Yeah, there's a difference between the two.
And the fai r y cut c ones are just ut it doesn't have
any backing of lore, and then the other ones are actually from I mean
a lot of it is from I did this back in Christmas. Um I
talked about like the Yule Lads, those would fall under a fairy lore and
then there's like little tricks that you have to do to like get rid of
them, basically, but that's a that's essentially what you're talking about. And
I mean like there's there's crazy things that you have to do. Like sometimes
it's like leave your front door and your back door open so that they don't
notice your house while they're flying through the woods, and they'll fly right through
your house. Sounds good. Some of them is like you have to leave
a colander on your stairs because some of them can't count pass like three,
so they'll just keep counting like they count the holes obsessively, so they'll count
to two and then they just start over again because they can't count. So
what who are they supposed to be? Are they supposed to be? I
mean, have they miniature people or do they have the you know, the
funny some giant, some are I mean some are the fury statueist. They
can also, according to some faery lord, they can change their size and
their shape and interesting. Arthur Conan Doyle wrote a book called the World of
the Fairies, and he said the Sherlock Holmes grown and he said the appearance
of the fairies is partly due to our perception of them sounding like John Keel
one hundred years ago. But but they have to come on the fairies too.
The home, say, but but what's what's the what's the origin story?
I mean, are they supposed to be from Middle or Earth? Are
they from another dimension? Does anyone you know? No, I think they've
always just been part of the Earth. I don't know. Some of them
are fallen angels, right, Raven, I'm pretty sure. And I also
think it depends on what country it originates from, because there's all like there's
difference between uh, like Ireland for example, and like, uh, what's
the other one I'm thinking of? I want to say Scottsdale, and that's
not Scotland. They were all drunk up okay, but yeah, there's I'm
partly Scotchdale, you know, scott Stale, Arizona is so much fairy,
but it is unbelievable. I don't know if you guys know that. I
couldnot think of the word Scotland. I am. I've always believed what kind
of beer is that? Again, Raven, Scottsdale? Know what kind of
beer? By? What Scotland? What kind of beer are you drinking?
Oh? I'm drinking uh tangerine shandy from the brewery. I got it Benny
Benny Grew Company, and it was so good and it's the beer is amazing.
Um. Yeah, Like it just depends on what they're where they come
from, because there's going to be different stories. It's because it's European though,
right, it's mostly European. That's when I think of, you know,
well the countries all overhe some lore about these little guys little tricks.
Yeah, where is it com from? Even Hawaii they've got the little uh.
I forget what they call them. Um, I don't remember the invite.
I thought it goes back to the Greeks. Everything going back to the
Greeks. Eventually they had the sprites, you know, and the uh,
the the satyrs, the um and that's sort of thing. But by the
way, ravend I sometimes I inadvertently where my clothes inside out. So I've
never had any trouble. Well, I do say, because it's like why
risk it if you know that there they aren't going to to take you.
Just where your clothes at. I'm wearing this tea shirt inside club is inside
side out except when their dirty. But there's there's all kinds of connections with
modern day UFO experiences. Missing time was prevailing in the in the fairy fairy
folklore, y you know the uh who was at Elias Owens who wrote Welsh
folklore, talked about how wayfair is along the road at night, but they
saw mistforming. They got pretty nervous because sometimes the fairies would grab them,
chaking them up in the air and placed them a distance from where they were
going for a little mischief. Does that sound like, you know, a
little little abduction. Maybe they were putting some little probing cookies or something like
that. Who knows, But listen, they've done this all just prove in
a way that this is all part of one big thing and this is just
someone else's interpretation of it, you know. Oh my god, Wait,
it's what's the company that makes those keybler elf cookies? Nibisco? No,
do we blok cookies? Yeah? Yeah, el is the best. No,
those are made by real elves. Gray. It's all conspiracy. It's
all of the conspiracy. Most people take Nabisco getting into our breath. That
was checking well, you know, crackling pop. What kind of people are
they? You know? All the sorry, that's okay, all the stories
about that. There was one about a young boy that meets the fairies and
they're playing throwing a ball back and forth, and to him it looks like
gold, and uh, you know, of course he thinks he's there for
about an hour. He's gone all day, he's all right, but he
just at the time flies by. But then he wants to take one of
these with him home, so he puts it in his pocket, but the
elves catch him when he's stepping out of the round the enchanted area. He
can't take. You know, there's millions of stories like that. Now,
let's go to Betty and Barney Hill. Most people know the story Betty and
Body Hill abducted in the early sixties echolastic abduction experience. We assume it's et,
you know, until we get into some of the stuff that happened afterwards,
which we don't have time to talk about now. But there's an event
aboard the craft, if that's what it was, That is like the one
of the old fairy tricks. Dust it off and Betty Hill had seen one
of these books that had photographs and strange writing in it, and she thought,
if nobody believes her story, she's got this proof for herself. And
the one she called a leaders said she could take it with her, and
she's thrilled. But and when they're about to leave where they're done with her
examination. They're about to cross the threshold of the spaceship. The leader comes
to her and says, the others object, I'm sorry you can't take this
with you. But like the old old fairy story, you can't get the
treasures out of fairyland, and you can't get them across the threshold of a
spaceship either. Yeah, does that man? That is really strange. I
mean, you know, it's strange that those similar ties, you know,
it's it's the same story, hold a different way. Really when you think
about it, right, imagine it must be whether you know, depending on
how much of it is physical, paraphysical, or a state of consciousness,
it seems to all be coming from the same source, right, just manifesting
in slightly different ways. But that's interesting about talking about I read John kills
bio, you know, a bio of him on the internet, and he
determined and we've talked about this before, to switchy is um that most us
spotted on Wednesdays and Saturdays, Okay, Wednesdays and Saturdays. That I find
fascinating that someone has been able to that, to me, is a scientific
way of looking at UFAs. You know what I mean, it's okay,
you know, how would a scientists do it? Okay? When do they
appear? When do people see them? What time of day? What's the
weather? You know, that's a very interesting statement. I think that most
U falls seeing them Wednesdays and status why Wednesdays and Saturdays? And there are
certain months I forget which ones. You know. There was as a researcher
named a mad John Maluten, who I don't know a lot about, but
he wrote articles for the Flying Saucer Review over many years. He wrote a
book on the humanoids over sixty years, and he took Albert Rosales's database.
Albert Rosales, as you know, he's the one that wrote a series of
books called Humanoids the Others amongst Us, and he, you know, he
collects just an amazing array all the way from you know, O one a
d up to the present of these other other beings and you know, so
many more different. So John Maluden took the crunch the numbers and he found
crazy things like the best time to see a have a humanoid encounter is between
ten pm and two am. I've seen you know, you might as well
just eat your lunch and not worry about it. But he found it was
it took place the same you know, as the world turns in the same
time zone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever times we talk, suggesting
that the point of what entry or the point of manifestation was identical as the
world moved. And then furthermore, he found that he called them humanoid oh
not outbreaks, but I can't remember his term, but they would you know,
they were over there were cycles over eight to ten years. There'd be
a humanoid outbreak if you if you want to call it, that, somewhere
in South America, and then it would be somewhere in North America, the
US or Canada maybe a year or two later, and then it would move
across to the European continent and then to Malaysia perhaps or you know in that
area, or China or whatever, and then circle around again to South America.
That's ten years cycle. That's a pattern. That's a that's what to
interrupt you. But that's scientists look for. They look for patents and things,
and that gets you closer to what the hell was going on. Like
we go back to that Hanada Air Force Base incident in nineteen fifty one in
career where you know, lots of people, you know, saw this UFO.
Lots of people saw this UFO when the guy who was running Bluebook at
the time said, why don't we do a scientific study on this particularly UFO
because it looked like it was in a search pattern, a checkerboard search pattern.
And they said, are these things intelligently controlled? Like a flight of
geese or like a bunch of bees just flying around crazy? Right? The
Pentagon wouldn't give him the money to do that, but that's the right approach,
and this guy has taking the right approach. Find out what time of
day people see these things, what day of the month, you know.
The fact that it's in the same time zone is freaky. That tells you
there's something, there's some intelligent force behind it. There has to be for
it to show up in time. It also tells you that people aren't hallucinating.
Yeah yeah right, yeah, yeah, wow, that is good.
That many people making it up right at the same time and day and in
the fifties, and we'd get all these reports, some kind of dubious but
that they were supposedly they were tracking flying saucers as they call them, coming
out of the Antarctic. Well that would fit. I mean, if they
come out of the Antarctic first and it hit South America, is loop around
the globe? You know that that might also. It's fascinating. And then
and then you go back to you know, Chilean ideas. He started talking
about window areas because so many of these craft and so many of these entities
were different. You know, he had the general type of humanoid or the
general types of crafts, but very few were identical. Yeah right, that's
weird too. There's the flying Saucer, there's the flying Sigad, there's the
gray aliens, the nortic alien. You know those are optillon very strange.
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We went to Maclonei's mild trunks. I'll show here on the distance on a
radio network. This is Macaroni. Well, what a show we have for
you tonight, but far ast girls, he's very famous one one. Hello
girls, Hello everybody, welcome back to the show. It's a fun one
so far, and it's going to get even funner funner with our new guests.
Yes, that a British word. They use that over there. I'll
try. We're trying to make all our words smaller, you know, and
they really get to it, freaking British. Well you kicked the rass and
this is how they treat us. Um No Coco Tonight, Mill Skills and
Gigi girls. He's out saving the world, flying around somewhere, however,
switch Blade Steve Ward on National Correspondent Here, okay, a big piece of
meat loaf into the day, right, well, yeah, earlier in the
day. Is that the place you don't have to leave a tip? Yes,
they don't. They don't have any provision for tips for me. I
would gladly put something in the fifth win win for switching, um, win
win for switching. Yeah, well I guess yeah yeah yes. Also also
our security chief, Willie Club, who right now looks like a superhero because
it looks the shed then the shadow across his eyes like a mask. Yeah,
the sun is setting this time a night raise. I need those rays,
you know, so I won't get depressed. Really. But anyways,
speaking of being depressed, I when you I got on the show, I
said, uh, I wonder what we're going to do tonight, and you
announced there was no top ten on pinching myself ever since really pinching yourself.
That's really that that made my night. That's really be depressed because he was
bitten by a radioactive spider something. He's been hanging around a your now.
It then happened down at the potty, so he must have been bitten somewhere
else, anyone. He's here also in the studio with us driving the getaway
car. Is Ufo mechanical right now though, Hello mac Hel, Hello everyone,
you club you you're depressed, you've been hanging around you or too much?
No, no, but I need this this time of the day.
It's get at sunset gives me that extra energy that I need to carry me
through the night. Oh really, okay? Are they so gummies for that?
Now? You know that? Yeah? But yeah, that's your thing.
Make me do goofy, goofy enough, goofy enough. Anyway, sun
setting on in clubs neighborhood, and it's tomorrow already over there, yeah,
across the pond um also with us is our favorite good which up there in
sad ways? And yeah, Raven isn't Raven? How are you? Hello?
My friends? Thank you for having me. Is this the first bun
of twenty twenty three? Would you say? Actually, it might be.
I've learned a lot of hats, a lot of hats. Right, Oh
God, you just sent me into like an existential crisis. Is this the
first bun of the year. It's almost June, right right, Okay,
we'll go back over every show every wee and we'll see what I'm gonna have
to go back and listen to all the episodes I don't know. Okay,
one of the interns, don't it? What is wrong with me? What's
the name of that beer? What is the name of the beer? Tangerine
shandy? Okay, all right, then taste good and it's high alcoholic content.
Well I'm guessing because I can't. I will pass away immediately. This
is five percent. Anything above six percent, I will die on the spot.
Really, will you do it? While we're on the not there in
the commercial? You want me to you want me to pass away on the
end. That was importation. Let's get to our guests, right, have
I introduced everyone in embarrassed everyone in the Okay, yes, let's get to
our lovely guests. Bobara, Richer, Bobara. How are you? I'm
fine? How are you? Where are you? Where are you in the
in the country? Okay, I'm in Athens, Ohio. I'm from Charleston,
West Virginia, but I pretty much stay away from my home state,
West Virginia. Yep, she has switch moved there. No, no,
no, he's actually a reason to go back, you know, And really
is that bad at point pleasant? Which is just might as well be in
Ohio. We just have to cross that big river. And there you are
with the group down in last September. Several several big names like Joshua Cutcheon
and Greg Bishop, they do, and you know several others. They do
a annual trip and they decided to make it a point pleasant. So Barbara
was able to come down. I was able to meet her and several of
the other We just had a great time. I showed him around the museum
in the T and T area, and that they seem to really enjoy it.
Bobad did switch pull a quarter out of the Mothman statues? Ass?
No, No, we just took lots of pictures of people around the ass
really around me because of zapp Elatch's ass. You gotta yeah, oh great,
very cool. So Boba tell us, now, you are a big
fan of John Keels, among other people. But you have a podcast devoted
to John Keele. It's not devoted to John Keel, but it's named after
John Keele, so we talk about everything. Yeah, it's called six Degrees
of John Keel because in the opening of Strange Creatures from Time and Space he
says, less than a hundred miles from you, someone who's seen a hairy
monster. Another person has seen a strange light in the sky and perhaps even
was touched by an alien. Another one is going to come across a ghost
and the next time it might be you. And I read that aloud and
looked at my co host, who's also my daughter, and I said,
that's like six degrees of like Kevin Bacon gets weirder yea. And she looked
at me and she went, it's six degrees of John Keel And then I
was like, yeah, it is, and she goes, that's the name
of the podcast. That's a very cool story. Yeah. Yeah, let's
let's say at out of applause. Yeah, it's brilliant, really is um.
Now he's an interesting guy and I switch talks about him a lot,
and uh, we were talking earlier on the show. The first kind of
paranormal book I have a bought was just like at a yad sale and there
was The Monthman Prophecies and it's a good wouldn't start with it? Really and
it and you know what attracts me was the title. The title was just
this cool title, what does this mean? Moth Man props? And that
read it and I liked his writing. You know, he was actually kind
of a good writer. And when you dove back in to his background,
he was he was a foreign correspondent during the Queen of War and he's been
here that he's been done a lot of stuff. Plus that he lives up
in the Upper West Side, which we've talked about Mighty. He might have
stayed there because of rent control, but that's a very expensive part of the
world to live in. So he must have been doing very well as a
writer. But a very interesting guy. We talked about earlier. How he
you know, found that Yeah, UFOs show up in a certain day,
certain time, certain place on And I love that phrase that you just wrote,
because this stuff goes on around us all the time, but it's just
not connected by I don't have a media or something. I don't know,
but people see ghosts all the time, and see UFOs all the time,
and see months as this goes on all the time. And he was the
guy who tried to bring it together. You know. Interesting. Yeah,
he's one of the first ones to read, go, hey, you know,
the only thing we really have our witness observations, So why don't we
look at the witnesses. And he's the first one to say, you know,
hey, so you saw UFO and it looked like this and had a
light and everything. Did anything else happen before that or after that? Yes?
And he said, you know, nine times out of ten, somebody
was having nightmares, somebody had a ghost in the house. There was poltergeist
activity their TV. Would you know, go on the fritz the same time
every night and then come back on the same time every night. There were
weird phone calls. Somebody would call their phone and say, thirty nine seventy
five, fifty six, thirty nine seventy five fifty sixty one. Let's play
that number one man. Okay, I'm sorry, bobco And he would see
sometimes they would see cryptids at other times in their light. He found there
was a whole He developed a whole series of questions. They asked me speak
and barn. But think how how many investigators through the sixties and seventies had
no idea. So they want people they pay, well, I hope you
can, uh you know, solve your missing time dilemma, but have no
idea to ask all those other questions. Yeah, and get that rich background
of what they have been experienced. It was almost it was almost it was
an anecdotal approach. But it's almost a scientific approach too. You know,
let's look at the statistics, you know, yeah, you know, oh
you sure uf Well how many people who so you are UFOs and reported them
sure encrypted before a raft? How many people's TVs went crazy boom? How
many people's telephones areen crazy you massave. That's the data you need. Yeah,
it's you get relatives, you know, of these witnesses who didn't know
that their you know, witness had seen a UFO. But you know,
earlier in this person's life, say, aunt so and so had a weird
thing happened where she went to a trance out of the blue and started spouting
something in another language, or had automatic writing happened. I mean, all
us really money weird stuff. And even if the UFO investigators of the time
got wind of any of this, they hardly ever wrote it down, or
if they did, they threw it away immediately afterwards because they didn't want to
discredit themselves by talking about the woo woo creepy crazy stuff. Right, yes,
yeah, yeah, yeah, that's very interesting. Yeah I could see
that happening. Hey we're talking about UFOs. Yeah, you know, some
editor would say, you know, I'm not you know, cryptids when would
stick to the story, you know, one, please tell the audience about
your automatic writing story. Maybe we can do it on a Mac after dot
co up. Yeah, for sure. And you've seen you might have seen
automatic writing portrayed in a really cool way in that movie. Others would nicole
kid right, it's basically some assistant would have pen. When I was dating
that's right. When I was dating my wife back in the seventies, we
went to seances, you know, just for fun. Sometimes we went to
the movie, sometimes we went to a seance. So this time we went
to a seance and my wife, Eileen's mother was a medium, just sort
of you know, in the spare time, and she did walk confentrating that
she was a medium. But a close friend she she was a medium.
So she was asked if she could attend the seance and maybe, you know,
maybe a chance we can reach out to this individual family member, not
our family, but somebody else's family and see what's going on. So we
went there and it was about eight of us there holding hands around the stable,
and you know, I'm just kind of new in the organization here,
I'm just starting to date my wife and when I'm looking around her, Okay,
I'm cool with this and still married, And I was cool with it,
but I wasn't sure what was going to happen, because it says,
totally by surprise, I see my mother and my mother in law. Her
name is Catherine. She she goes, you know, she's asking questions,
trying to reach out to this person. She she didn't really know a lot
about the person yet, but she was starting to learn it and then she
had some information already. What surprised you about this whole session? It was
totally um. She was writing down a piece of paper, all these in
unintelligible scribbles, just like a circle up and downs and just kind of and
she would be talking what she was hearing, what she was interpreting through the
scribbles, just like in that move with the others, went Eileen, that's
what I was done. Yeah, oh man, it's strange. And and
she used to do this all the time. So it was a real eye
opener for everybody because she was really talking about things that she wouldn't have known
about. Nobody briefed her, right, yeah, and it was it was,
it was, it was an awakening for me. This kind of technology
if you will. It's kind of a paranormal technology would actually works. Yeah,
right in a funny way. I saw in front of my eyes that
went wow, m did you did your mother in law, your future mother
in law seeing in the future and she you two getting hitched? Uh?
She she kind of predicted us getting hitched, but she couldn't see too much
in the future beyond that. She's she's passed on. But I don't think
she was Doc. And it was Doc after to be married after all this
time, it's nineteen seventy five. Listen, you're listening to macm You listen
to mcaw on the Military ex Show Here in the Distant Thunder Radio anywhere,
the whole gang is here and also Boba Richard, who is co host of
a podcast called Six Degrees of John Kiel. John Kill very interesting paranormal right,
one of the best, I think, because it's a real journalist,
do you know what I mean? He knew the journalistic style and not a
lot of paranormal books follow that, but he knew how to tell a story,
you know. And anyway, So, Barbara, do you want to
try out ten true or false questions about John Keel? See how many you
get five, will give the shot five thousand dollars prize at the end of
if you get them all right, brand I don't get paid five. Switchy
will send it to you. All right, Here we go, Do you
have it? I have it right here? Okay, here we go.
All right, we've done this already. You know it's a huge hit.
So um kind of anyone who knows the answers, don't say any right,
Okay, we can just start at number ten and we'll put the music in
here. Number ten true or false. Keel Ones published an article titled are
you a repressed sex Fiend? True? True? All right, hang on,
Oh we better go fund me now. For nine true or false.
Keel hated cats so much he invented cat traps, which were essentially very large
mouse traps and just as effective. False. Oh please, he's gonna give
a switch to run for his money. Uh. Number eight true or false.
Keel wrote scripts for the TV show The Monkeys. True. He wrote
a lot for a lot of shows. I'm just taking age. But he
was not good. Yeah that's true, okay, I said false because I
newly written for Griffin ad Lives and uh, get smart, smart and so
Forth. Yeah, Austin Space. Yep, so he was in Man.
He must have been a kind of rich guy. Actually made most of his
money at the time. I'm sure script work good for him. Uh.
Number seven true or false. Keel was the first person to coin the term
men in black. I know he popularized it. I'll say, yes,
true, Wow, this is interesting. He definitely popularized, popularized. But
there's a there's a guy, you know, Tom Montalone. Yeah, guy
that Yes, he claims. He claims he was the first one to coin
it. When he talked to Kill. Some others said no, it was
Albert Bender. He talked about men in black at the at nineteen sixty seven
convention. But Kill definitely made it. I think he and Gray Barker really
popularized it. And then the story about Albert Bender and the visitors at his
door and yeah, you know, the disappearing dime and the dude drinking chlorox
and yeah, okay, she was having isshoes. Yeah, I'll say that's
fun. Yeah Raven Okay. Number six true or false. Kiel was known
Kiel who was known true his close friends as Dick Wrangler due to all the
poon tank he got over the years. I did not write these. I
did not write these. I'll say true because it's too funny. Oh,
thank god. I didn't really think it was true, but I kind of
hoped it was. Yeah, crazy stuff comes out of max brain that minute,
it doesn't come down. That is a truth statement. Wow, you
two two? Are you turning on me? A two raven? Next?
I'm not turning on you. You know exactly who I am as a person.
Next, please, Okay, number the five true or false. Keel
wrote a book called Disneyland of the Gods True true, Yeah, and he
was pissed off when he wrote it, But I love that title. Man,
that's the best he was. He was done the altra terrestrial, the
whole thing. He was bitter and angry and he'd had enough of their nonsense.
Yeah, funny, Okay, I'm surprised scolds them. By the end
of the book, he's just like on a rant about how you know,
they're all a bunch of lawyers and horrible creatures and you shouldn't listen to them
and yeah with them. Basically, I'm surprised that Disney's lawyers, also horrible
creatures, didn't come after him with a lawsuits the size of that. Yeah,
I was kind of wondered about that to use the title. Yeah,
that's bad. I mean we must have found some type of a loophole though,
because, like knowing Disney, maybe it just didn't sell enough copies for
me. Yeah, maybe they didn't even care. I don't know. At
the same time, you know, they are well known for having sent lawyers
after children's hospital that painted their characters. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there
must have been some type of a loophole or I don't know. Maybe I
don't think so. I think it's I think it's added to my list of
deep dives we used to do. We used to drinking a ba in Albany,
New York, lonely Lowry Raven's father and a bunch of us who worked
together. And it was a place called Mickey's Mousetrap. It was the best
dive by in the world. It was in the back of a shopping well.
Can you imagine that, you know, on the ground, and it's
great, great pizza and the sign was Mickey's Mousetrap and there was the mouse
on the sign that looked kind of like Mickey Mouse. So we'd go there
on every Friday. We could have you know, missed a couple of weeks.
We went down there in the name of the place is um Mike's,
you know, sand trap or something, and we said what happened? They
said, Disney lawyers came in and said you got to change everything. We're
going to sue you too, from here to the moon. And that's what
they do. You know, they protect the brand. But yeah, pretty
rough about it. Pretty gets a dive bar. What are they making compared
to what friggin Disney is making? Cares you know what I mean about paying
the lawyers to go and roam around the country look of stuff like that and
taking off brought up a good point. Characters in the hospital walk he was
set up with the in quotes alter terrestrials. Remember Barbara in the Eighth Tower.
He talks about how he was embarrassed that standing out at night. Sometimes
he was good. He was listening to a lot of the channeling they was
coming through these contact ees, and we know from the big breakthrough in the
Big Blackout, he was buying a lot of it for a time, but
then he got I can see how they got so fed up. And the
deception, the normal deception that comes through seances region boards and channeling. So
that's that's a really good point. Yeah, and that's pretty much what he
was, you know, ranting about in most of Disneyland of the Gods.
You know. Maybe it's just that Disney hasn't noticed that. Maybe I'm saying
it um because they might notice. I won't hashtag Disney in this. Don't
do that. Okay, next n um? Next okay. Number four truer
false. Kiel was a lifelong resident of Truth or Consequences, New Mexico.
False. Good thing we had that one. He was actually born in Hornell,
New York, which is not far from me. Yeah, he lived
on very interesting and then he lived in New York City, Upper West Side
of Upper West Side. They had to know. He's also an aries,
a lot of them side. Next. Please Number three, Kiel's bones are
buried in your backyard? All false? I was really, where are we
going to find? I knew they were with with Steve, So I see
she rated you out. You said false to that. Next you lied to
us? Number two true or false. Keel was first cousins with Hollywood actor
and star of the TV series Dallas Howard Keel. Oh Wow, that's interesting.
False, I think, but It would be so cool if it was
true. Yeah it's false. Yeah, especially so that's Howard Keel was in
a Day of the Trippets? Yeah was he really? See? That would
have been so cool. Yeah, that would have been cool. Who knows,
maybe they were Day of the Trippets. I can't take of her name.
I met her at the Monster Bash a few years ago. Oh,
very nice lady. But you can't remember her name? No, I guess
I can't get the moment. Was it that name? You? He's trying
to throw name, throw a name around, but he can't remember name drop.
Okay, so howpins when't we get older? It just freething happens?
Wow? Switch Huh. So why don't we coach No. Number one?
We're gonna have to reinterpret number one? Right? One more? Uh?
This is true or false? I this this may or may not apply.
This was written for Steve or Sochi. I should say, uh, true
or false? Your cat, I mean you might have a cat named Keel.
Your cat name Keel appears in your dreams every night telling you to quote
unquote lose those other two cats or else. False. Cats tend to hang
to him if it was a dog that they were trying to get rid of
Oh, that's should I told her it was basically true, but he said
belief is the enemy. Yep, that's true. You guys both did a
really great job on now. Yeah, yeah, really listen, we're gonna
take a break now, brob it can hang with us for a little while.
Sure, okay, all right, why don't we take a bush break
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No Coco tonight, still don't they're flying around the one stuff. He
sent me a message the other day. I'm still trying to interpret it with
the Rosetta stone, you know what I mean? But uh, here is
the Coco Dakota ring. Yeah, right, Cocoa groupings. Yeah, I
mean it's a three sentence message and there are more numbers in it than letters,
you know what I mean. How military people are gonna anyway? Yep,
Olco. He ran it through the cryptograph machine and he's put it the
crypto part of it rather than the right play in English twice backwards. Yeah,
it didn't say drink your oval team did it? Probably with the quarter
ring. Yeah, I have one of those ninety percent sugar there. Funny
anyway, I like it down there in sacrambled Eggs, West Virginia. I
love Bosco. I have a thing for Blasco when I was growing up,
switch Blade, Steve would Switchy great to be here. Switch You want us
to call you Steve from now on? Are you happy? Can you?
I'm very happy you can call me switch you know switch don't call me late
for dinner. Come on, you got a jump on those and Nobody's sweetheart.
I have a great nickname for Switchy. I can't say it on air,
though, it's filthy. Hold that thought, Hold that thought, uh
security Chief Willie Club is here with us, am a gang. Yeah heavy
stuff tonight. Yeah that's right? Yeah, yeah yeah. Are you gonna
be okay if we have to edit something out here coming up from ravens Well
sometime you want to keep that in. You know, she's got some pretty
good thoughts that we ought to, you know, get out there with the
public. Thank you, Club, you get it. Just write it down
and hold it up so we can read it. Now, Hang that voice
you here is uh oh hour now though here in the studio with us,
Hello Mac, Hello everyone, um uf all mechanic and getaway drive a same
drill tonight. Raven is with us though, I favorite good which up there
in Sadurays Now but the time we introduce everyone, don't we time to go
right? Oh? Hello, okay, first one of the twenty twenty three
now also our guests amazingly staying with us. Brava Fisher, Hey does the
starge? Barbara Fisher STI with us? Hey, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's not that hard. Six Degrees of Oh boy, I think I
spelled the second word right, because I'm not everybody's that I've had it.
You know, what does that even about that place? Nay? Wow,
TBB. We'll just something. Let's just say because they're a radio show.
Barbara is the co host of six Degrees of John Keel podcast, which is
going to be crazy. So but we're talking about how early before how Raven
has a new nickname for switch And someone suggests you hold it up to the
camera and we just did in three of us fainted. But what did that
say? Again? Please put it up there again, Raven. Here,
I'll put it. I'll put it up for our radio show. I'm sorry.
I'm really bad handwriting, and I'm illiterate, so I can't spell most
things. Yeah, he sort of spelled the word a little strange, you
know what you get the thought across? Yeah, I was hoping, what's
a tuna biscuits? He had. It's wise, that's what it's like.
Number three in obesity, Shane. That's only in West Virginia and parts of
Ohio, and I think there's one in Pennsylvania. Yeah, and I went
to the original one. It started in Charleston, and they have biscuits as
big as cat's heads. Yes, and they make sandwiches out of them,
or they put biscuits and gravy, which is just God's gift. Ye.
Now see we have to do a search up here in why we're all chubby
in West Virginia and just one thread to size of Nebraska. Yeah. Yeah,
it's it's serious food. They also do beans and cornbread, which is
the other way I love con Bred man. That's one of those things I
could just keep eating. Hey switch, I thought the name of that place
is Tutors like t O O T E R s. He sounds just like
my husband, Who's Who's who. The first time he came to visit me,
I still lived in Charleston, and we told them you'll know you're there
because you see Tutors biscuit World, and you take a right and then you
take another left and then there you are. You're at the house. And
he thought it was t O O t eat. Yeah, yeah, because
he didn't think it was you know, like Henry Tutor the ladies heads off.
He was thinking, any restaurant with the name Tutors, you know it's
gonna be it sounds like a strip club, francy. You know, it's
just like too many beans. Oh well, you don't want to go that.
When switching mentioned you know why a while back the first time he had
gone to Tutors, I was thinking the what did I spell it? T
U d R t U d o rs doing a lot of spelling. This
episode is not working out. Well, go ahead, And then I found
them on social media and I was like, okay, yeah, like this
is basically what I was picturing in my head. Yeah yeah really thanks,
But see up and up here. We're up in New England though you know
most of us are, and you can't. There is no place Danny's used
to have biscuits and gravy. Okay, like the kind of general lives biscuitson
gravy, yeah, but not that kind of homemade and stuff, and you
cannot there's no place around him. Someone told me one place, but it's
closed. It's cracker barrel. Where's a cracker barrel around? And no,
no, but it has to be kind of homemade, you know what I
mean, it has to be there's a cracker barrel. I wasn't really Yeah,
okay, Farmer's Kitchen had it? Did they really on the menu?
It was like he had like the secret menu. Yeah, yeah for me
and for a few other regular games. Really can I go? And when
I lived in New England, they had a place called Bickford's. Oh yeah,
so sad. Yeah we still have one there. We still have one.
Yeah. And bur Lincoln. Yeah, is it a good place for
breakfast? So yeah, I go there. Okay, that's good to know.
I was sad when they all left Rhode Island when I went back to
visit. Where in New England did you live? I lived in Providence,
really Providence, Rhode Island. I was at culinary school there. Did you
live on Federal Hill? Did you live near Federal Hill? No? I
didn't live near Federal Hill, but you didn't have to live near it because
it's it's Providence. It's tiny. Yeah, Like Rhode Island is so small,
you can like turn around and reach out of your closet and be in
Connecticut. Yeah, but they have a navy base there, and that stuff
happens to everybody. That's that's why my aunt and and uncle got married.
So that's how my Rhode Island aunt came to West Virginia to live and then
got the most amazing accent out of it. That. It's amazing because she
she had the Rhode Island the accident way you talk like that, he's you
know, there's a grocery store called Shaws, And she'd say shore was like
that, you know, and husband's name was June Woode. Yeah, she
didn't say that, but then she was there for like fifty years and she
got this West Virginia drawl at the end. Wow, And it was the
most amazing voice. And I can't really do it right unless I've been around
her enough for it to catch. Yeah, she had the most amazing It's
like that breed and two dies together a canoodle to right. Yeah, okay,
have a different thing. Yeah, well interesting, Okay, I should
just put in that Federal Hill is not to have mafia people living there.
Ray Patriots a joke, right, okay? All right, So anyway,
so your podcast, And you do this with your daughter, Barbara, right,
your podcast six Degrees of Kill my thirty three year old daughter. Oh
okay, and where is she tonight? She's she is probably fishing. Um.
She just graduated with her bachelor's degree in history and she's going into grad
school for library science. Wow. Good for her. Yeah, yeah,
she didn't know that library science was going to require a shotgun. But if
she goes to work in Florida, it probably won't. But she's happy with
that. She grew up a redneck, so she you know, she's like,
I will, I will protect the books. Good idea. Yes,
got to protect these books. I saw. Yeah, I can't say.
Maybe we said this is the potty someone said, you know, until some
transvestike walks into a library and kills eight kids by beating them with a copy
of To Kill a mocking Bird, Right until a drag queen goes in.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly the problem. She said it in one
sentence, Swan. So let me just say the sentence. Are you do
you guys know the sentence? I don't know it perfectly, Raven, do
you know? Yeah? Here, let's yeah, this will be the phrase.
Let me literally look this up on Instagram right now. She's a funny
you know, I've seen her. You know I've seen her comedy bidsn't she's
funny. She used to be on Crib Your Enthusiasm a lot, and she's
a funny comedian. But boy, this this the days. These days she
puts a doll on the camps. I man have to cut this up.
We might, but that's okay. Yeah, I'm going back into my archive
because apparently I post so much on Instagram, which is funny because I really
don't. But oh, I was posting about yellow Jackets. I'm sorry.
I'm trying to I'm trying to have a dance around what I'm doing here listening
to backclone these militraction I'll showing here on the Distant Thunder Radio Network. Sorry,
yellow Jackets got me messed up. The other night. I have a
question for Barbara Place. Sure, yeah, but tell us a little bit
about the art work you do for all your shows, which is quite the
spectacular, I would say. I you know, I started out with doing
a lot of mixed media collages um and a lot of uh you know,
uh, acrylic art, but I also do watercolors and I basically take what
the episodes about and then try to put it into visual form. But now
now I also do digital art, so I just have a lot of fun
with it. A point and trained as anonyms? Stood you know that means
that I have stacks and stacks of paintings. But did you did you train
as anonymous? Did you go to school? What did you want? Now?
Yeah? No, I'm self taught with art. I have a degree
in writing and a degree in culinary arts. Oh wow, calorinary Oh okay,
writing, forget about it. But I like the culinary stuff. Raven,
you have the quote here we go and then I have a question for
Barbara. Um. But yeah, the quote is Untila drag Queen walks into
a school and beats eight kids to death with a copy of To Kill a
Mockingbird. I think we're focusing on the wrong shit legend. H Yeah,
yeah, she threw she threw the mic down. Yeah, that's great,
she threw it down after that. So Barbara, if so, you have
a degree in culinary yachts, which is cook to do. So if you
had what what meal would you make? Al And don't say, like you
know, Asha Jaggs over, you know what would something that people would eat.
What would I make that people would eat? Like? Make us?
Oh? That I would make you guys. I do a lot of really
good curry. And even if people think they don't like curry, they do.
It's so good. I used to cook for a family from Pakistan and
Bangladesh, so I know my curry and uh, it's so much fun to
introduce it to people, especially the kinds of things that you're not going to
get in the restaurants in America. Yeah, but that's going to taste like
dirt. I mean, let's be real about it. It is so good
unless they make it completely wrong, which is possible. Man, if you
dump curry, powder and something, it's not gonna okay, yeah, it's
been in your cat. Would be the second man, What would you make
us for lunch? What would I make you for lunch? Oh? Let's
see, probably something easy and and and light, uh and corn bread and
fried potatoes with onions and mushrooms. You know that was my favorite. Ramps
with ramps in it. I'll go all West Virginia old school and put ramps
in it. Have you ever got to a dunkin Donnage? Oh? For
yeah, it's all over the place, all right, So tell what's your
opinion Duncan Donuts because we talk about them all the time on the shop.
They're okay, I mean they're not They're not my favorite. Now what the
favorite doesn't exist in the United States anymore, which was mister Donut, and
now they're just yeah, they were all over China and Japan, right yeah,
yeah, yeah, and they moved. But but that's too far for
me to go to get a damn donut, so I don't. But Duncan
Donuts has changed over the years. They used to have great coffee, they'd
have tons of donuts that people buy, and now they have shitty coffee and
they have like six favorite you know, favorite donuts a day. And they
don't even like the plane doughnut or the chock you know, it's stupid.
Oh that sucks. They want to cool. They want to be like being
bounds and give people breakfast in the morning, you know, fast breakfast they
do. And these drinks that have like you know, all they are a
caffeine like insane. I wish it was just a donuts shop when they drinks
are definitely out of control. Because I will say I'm not a fan ofm
it Donald's, but their coffee is really good. Dunks coffee has been slipping.
I thought Dunk coffee taste burned to me. We were down in PA
the other day and I made it my point to stop at Crispy Cream because
I really like theirs a beautiful, so good, and I I, you
know, I was driving, so I was like, I really need a
coffee. So I just got like a nice coffee, just got a black
and uh got mister raven a coffee. Their their coffee is not good at
all. It is really bad. I'm like, I could have made better
coffee at my curing. But I will say the donuts yeah good. Yeah,
yes, Switch you have a question. I had two questions for Barbara.
This might take us off the exit ramp back on, but you know,
I wonder what what is? Do you have a favorite John Keeled book
and you have a favorite non John Keeled book. I know you're a voracious
reader. We've we've had many discussions on your show about all kinds of books.
Can you pick maybe maybe you can't pick the favorite, but maybe one
of the favorites. Okay, so my favorite John Keel by far is actually
two books. But they were supposed to be one book, and it's The
Mothman Prophecies and the Eighth Tower. The Eighth Tower is everything that the editor
said, Oh my god, take that out of the book because it messes
up the storyline. So it's all of the backstory and his theories about what
paranormal slash UFO slash aliens is actually all about. So you read one and
then you read the other. But in truth, they actually were supposed to
be one large book, and that's my favorite, John Keel, what's the
tackle again? Okay, so the first one's Mothman Prophecies and the second one
is the Eighth Tower. Yeah, Mothman Prophecies is a really good It just
happens to be the first paranormal book I happen to read. But it's the
as you said before, it's it's the if you're going to read your first
paranormal book, that's the one to do it. Because he's a good right,
a good journalists. One one has his hand up. So you didn't
answer my other questions, John keelbook, Oh, non John keelbook. Okay,
I'm gonna split it into two. Okay, my old non John keelbook
that is My favorite is Jacques Valat's Passport to Magonia. Yes, it's a
bloody master work. Um, it really is. Where the idea of uh
extraterrestrials and the fay folk and the creatures of folklore that are fay like like
gin and uh you know, uh demons and angels, all of that.
That's where it came from, and it was expanded on. Keel said,
you know, they act a lot like fairies, but he didn't go into
all of the old folk Laura and dig around like Valet did and make those
connections explicit. And then the new one would have to be Ecology of Souls
by Josh Kutchin. Now I'm biased because I edited the book for him,
and it's two books. Again, it's two volumes. But he takes the
idea of the paranormal and death and does for it what Valet did for fairies
and UFOs. So he gets all of those connections and throws them together and
makes it readable. All three of them are really good writers. Bab I
thought you were going to say War of Dragons by mcmaloney would be the second
book, but that's okay, Yeah, yeah, Episode one twelve contacting fairies
with Octavian graves. Yeah, I'd like to hear that show. The artwork
is amazing. Do you ever thought of having a gallery of your art work,
you know, like online? Yeah one, but in a in a
studio someplace. And I've done gallery shows. I've done public shows here at
the library. I've sold several paintings. Um. I've been in group shows
and single shows. Um. I think I am going to start uh selling
prints though. I think I've figured out where I want to have them printed
and how I'll have them shifted. So let me direct you to the Alman
Brothers album Eat a Peach if you open the gatefold. I don't know if
I can do this. Let's see if I can do this. The ya
my god, he is the album ready to go there? Okay, oh
yeah, okay, yep, that's your style. So we think about he's
showing a yea inside for you the radio listeners. He's showing a inside of
an Alman Brothers own. It looks like crazy hippie stuff to me. Oh
yeah, an instagram. You can see it. It's gorgeous. I love
it. Yeah. Nice. We have two minutes to go, so Boba,
I'm going to ask you one question. Okay, do you think Kile
believed everything? He wrote? Keil, no, real No. His maxim
was belief is the enemy. And the reason he said that was because the
paranormal phenomena, once you start chasing it around and really thinking about it and
really investigating it, we'll start chasing you around and investigating you and listening to
you, and it makes you paranoid and it makes you a little bit crazy.
And I can say this from my own experience, this is true.
But what he found was is if he came up with a new theory and
didn't tell anyone about it, the phenomena would start proving that theory to be
correct by influencing other people, and they would come to him with worries that
fit his narrative. Yes, So then he'd say, okay, fine,
I'm not gonna make up new you know theories. But you can't walk around
and not make up new theories if you're dealing with things that have no logical,
sensible reason. This stuff doesn't make sense from a materialist Western standpoint.
So he did not believe in belief. He thought belief was a bad idea,
and so he just tried to take the facts and then not pin it
into one theory because it would just prove it and disprove it to him over
and over again. So I have two rings that I wear. They're they're
both engraved, and the one that I wear on the top of my finger
says the truth is out there, and no, it says I want to
believe, and then on the inside it says the truth is out there.
And then the next one does belief is the enemy. So's I want to
believe and belief is the enemy? Well, I can tell you by personal
experience, by belief in the bust and Celtics whether the enemy. Yeah,
leave them laughing, Bobo, we want to thank you. I'm sorry,
go ahead, No, I just had a good, good summation. Yes,
what Barbara just said, Bobo. Thanks thanks for joining us. Your
podcast Six Degrees of John Kill sounds really fascinating and uh and it can be
found everywhere, I'm assuming, yeah, pretty much. And you're an artist
as well and a culinary expert, which is interesting. So mac and cheese?
Yes? And no? Would you would you make mac and cheese?
Oh? Yeah, yeah, right, a lot of from scratch? Yeah,
yeah, if you do it from scratch, it's really good, Boba.
Thanks for joining us. We really appreciate it. Come back soon sometime.
Okay, all right, take care. One more thing I must must
say. Go ahead, you go back in her archives. You will hear
my golden owns a couple of times, and people back at my archives you
will hear her golden tones at least once the whole gang. Okay, thank
you, switching a good cross pollination right there. Yeah, it's great to
be here. Thanks. I'm gonna say, yeah, just factors I do
too, high, Uncle Al, you're ready to go there? Yeah?
Yeah, okay, here we go, un probably uh French fries and just
the fries. Yeah, yeah, just the fries. Tokay, go to
my usual large cheeseburger medium. I'd love to, but I couldn't go to
sleep. I wouldn't be bitter go sleep at three days of a eight shipping
across the ocean. Anyway, So thank you all for joining us tonight.
We appreciate it anytime. Thank you at club Club, Thank you club for
joining us. Thank you I've enjoyed tonight. Forgetting the woman of some color
in your face. Yeah from your son and your back. Yeah yeah,
yeah, we're thinking of putting a dome over that. Yeah, anyway,
thank you, thank you Switch. This is your big night, John Kill
night. You're Obi Wane. That's right. I'm beside myself. So it
was a great call right now. Well, okay, thank you Switch for
joining us. Appreciate it. One one. Thank you for joining us.
You're welcome for us to poddle my pleasure. Raven, thank you for joining
us, Raven, thank you so much. Great. Will you be around
tomorrow so I can message you? Yeah, and once again, thank you
Bob Rich for joining us. Six degrees of drunk kill and yeah, okay,
okay, yeah, I'll take it with me. Yeah, let's figuring
out how to get rid of the big hands um. And I just want
to say homes for out troops. Homes out Troops an organization that builds homes
for veterans in post nine eleven combat. That is the Iraqi Water and also
also in Afghanistan. And these are people who came home missing a limb,
having some kind of really significant injury. And what homestrut Troops does is bill
holmes that are adapted to them so that, in other words, not a
lot of stairs, low counter space, things like that wider doorways just so
they can live a hate to say this, but like a more normal life.
And then when the house is completed, Homestrut Troops rips up the mortgage,
gives them the keys. That's their house of free. They can go
out and in the workforce and they don't have to worry about you know,
amy changing over their heads. So Homestrut Troops please google them. Ninety cents
on your charity dollar goes right to our veterans. We went to Lois and
I went to an event a few weeks ago, Done and Massa Poyet,
Massachusetts done Navicate. It was beautiful. It was just really really patriotic.
And they gave a house to a woman who a thir three year old army
warrant officer whose legs had to be amputated after two tours in Afghanistan. And
this is what they do. They've built about three hundred and fifty the houses.
They're really beautiful houses. But the trouble is is that, um,
they have a thousand people on the waiting list. So please go to homestret
Troops Google and see what they're about. Great bunch of people, and that's
it. I think Winnie right. Yeah, okay, so this is mad,
but I'm the train into the station. We're Yeah, I put that
up there. This is a sorry bober. This is what we have to
go through. What's that naked picture up there? No, we want a
train crash twitching? I know I'm looking for that. Wow, maybe we
don't have to put the picture up Barbara. Your artwork is amazing. I've
been looking at fascinated by. Have you ever thought of doing doing some artwork
for album covers? Oh? Wow, I've hads of that. I don't
know how one gets into that gig, but yeah, with that sent yeah,
yes, if you somehow we'll get in touch with each other, because
I know people in that business. A club. Did I say good night
to you? I can't remember back then I did, But you're gonna always
say good night a good nightclub? Do you have any doughnuts that you have
done? Good? It's always good you have a nightclub ninety nine? All
rights or whatever you had? He never says good night to me twice?
No, once is enough for you? Wow? Okay, on that note
fresh, this is Mac for the entire gang saying the Harris Next time,
be safely, happy and bye bye, and now please stay tuned for a
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