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the penultimate episode of The Acolyte, which put the and the title. So
I'll do that. But Taylor Field, what are your thoughts on this episode?
Lots of build up obstly on spoilers, lots of build up to this
episode and maybe getting some answers even I saw on the Twitter day stars like
oh, the truth will be revealed so and your name is the truth.
So how do you feel about said revelations? I'm I think that I can
appreciate it being I don't know if underwhelming is the right word, but it's
not any appreciated being underwhelming. That's in a good way because I feel like
it's this it's the last Jedi thing maybe where everyone's building up to the hype
like, oh, who's Ray related to of course we're not talking about Rise
of Skywalk. It's a different thing. But in Last Jedi, it's just
it was an underwhelming kind of like or not underdelivered, That's what I mean
to say. It underdelivered on people's expectations, like this is what everyone's thinking
and speculator, but no, it's just this is what it is. And
I feel like what the truth really was. Everyone was diving into these possibilities
and these rumors and conspiracies and thinking, oh, maybe it was this,
this, this what really happened here. But really, to me, it
felt like things were pretty simple. And I hate how this episode ended,
I really really do, but I don't have much of a problem with how
shit just hit the fan basically, and I kind of like it it.
I think that there's a lot of folly here again with what these the Jedi
has on their hands here, what they were dealing with, and I'm kind
of glad to see things explained in this light. I do question some things
and some motivations, because I do think the way that certain characters were controlling
themselves was unfortunate considering where they are in their in their life and at this
present time. But I think that it's beyond that. It's certain key dialogue
moments that are mentioned here that really really got me excited, and I've i
didn't see maybe I've overlooked it, but I didn't see much of a connection
here because I have redived into the Darth Plagis book and I'm just doing like
the first half of the book just that really focuses on probably what could be
like the early the end part of this show, kind of just that time
period and just to kind of see what the references are, because it seems
like more and more, especially after last week's episode, that seems to be
like a possible source reference of inspiration. Not can in fact or anything like
that, but inspiration. There's other dialogue and phrases that they dropped in here
that were pulled from other Star Wars mediums, which I'm excited to talk about
it. I'm excited to get your thoughts on one thing in particular, but
overall, I'm not giving this episode like a high amount of praise over other
ones. I would definitely go to other ones first. I wish this one
came sooner. I don't feel like this was a great penultimate episode in my
personal opinion, I've been I'm kind of craving more what's going on in other
storylines. But that being said, I look forward to the finale, I
really really do. I hope it's not a short one. I hope it's
a long one, the exact same length as this episode. I think it's
like forty three minutes instead of get on board with that. Of course that's
credits, but I could get on board like yeah, but like I just
it's better than like some of the twenty to thirty minute ones. So yeah,
I just feel we talked about this in the discord about how Leslie Headleonard
some writer. I don't know for sure. I don't want to miss quote
because it was weeks ago as Mike telling us that they said, like,
they have plans for there's seasons, but they feel like this tells one the
same story. I simply can't see that with the pieces of what we have
right now to feel like you could watch season one and be like, well,
that's the whole story there, do you like? Obviously we haven't seen
next week, so maybe this, but do you think they can do that
in about I'll say thirty six minutes. I'm not I didn't time at this
time, but like it's forty four minutes, forty three there's credit as the
beginning. Let's say it's like thirty six minutes. Do you think they can
wrap it all up where you feel, oh, I could watch like,
let's say you never get a season two. Do you think they can actively
do that next week? Because I certainly can't with because this week was all
explaining stuff in the past. There's still lots of stuff in the present that
hasn't even been really like, I don't think we're near a ending point everything
with everything with the past, I think is yeah, this this episode,
well yeah, we're wrapped up everything in the present. I feel like,
well, uh, nope, let me retract that there are things this is
not a spoiler. There are things that they need to showcase with May that
we are unfamiliar with. Between the years from where she was a kid to
where she is now, we don't know or leave anything happened and transpired there,
aside from Chime here coming in and dropping a Cis saber down and just
you know, doing whatever he's doing, that's a whole other can of worms.
I feel like we need a full thirty minute backstory episode on kyme here
just to get into his kind of thing. The show is called Acolyte after
all, but of course to see the accollate who that's up for debate.
There are definitely things that they need to expand on, and to do it
all in the one episode that remains. I don't think that they could do
it again. I think this episode gave way too much time focusing on the
narrative they chose to focus on. I think that they should have changed things
up. I think last week's episode is still one of my top ones of
this season, and it was. It was just great. It was a
cooler off episode with just the dialogue and what we were learning. But here
we are now, and we have a lot that You're right, we have
a lot that we have to condense it to this finale. So I've decided
which island I'm standing on for things I want to see and want to be
experiencing in this storyline, and I'm hoping that I get some of it.
I will not be happy if we don't. It'll be upsetting. This episode
ended, and like I said, in a way that it didn't leave me
very happy. It's like, ah, well, that's kind of unfortunate.
I feel like they prolonged the narrative to fill that cusp of forty minutes of
an episode, which is unfortunate. And like you said, the song choice
was absolutely terrible. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be a downer,
but man, it pulled me out. Oh my god. Yeah, it
was a debate because I saw you and then Chris agreed, and there's a
couple of other people in our discord and stuff and other people I've seen and
that's where And it's because we're talking about the jew A and Brent and Katie
were giving a show like, oh, it's just a song. Song.
I get that the song does not make or break the show. What's making
breaking show is the very poor writing that's happening in the show continually. In
my opinion, No, it's saying it's the worst thing ever. I'm I
think there is still worse Wars, but I think it's just again they're so
the writing is just so all over the place, and the characters are all
over the place. Maybe I can't say it's the worst because I feel like
there's better moments are acting in this show than I'd say, like a Boba
Fett and even Mando three, but I think that it's maybe the messiest show,
even Boba Fet where there's stuff I don't like. I feel like it's
a pretty succinct from point A to point B of I don't love what they
did with the Boffett character, but that's the story they went with, and
I don't think they wrote it the best where I feel like almost all the
characters here and even some stuff that is like lower force, like I I'm
not that for se it's breaking it. But at the same time going like
it just doesn't feel cassin casing. What the fuck does that anything? I
don't know. Cohesive no, and I you're just throwing stuff out. But
sure those two words work, but yeah, the song could just like it
just sucks for the sake of it sucks, you know, Like for me,
I've always said this before. It it's the best way you can describe
it. Media like this is most like food, and that's where people can
go, oh, well, you know, just skip the in credit,
Oh you do this. It's like it doesn't matter. I can have a
pizza and no matter how great or good it is, if there's an all
over, there's a mushroom. That pizza's ruined. I'm not gonna eat that.
You could pick it off. But guess what, whenever you pick that
stuff off, you always tastes like the remnants of that food, right,
Like you can go like, oh, there was a there's a piece of
pepper on here, you know, for myself, So that'st thing for me.
It did take me completely out. I've said this before. I don't
like there's minor ones. This is a more minor one because it depends how
it goes. But a minor one is I don't like them messling with Georgia's
stuff, not on the way where I gotta protect Georgia Star Wars, just
like, no, those are his movies. Go do something in the future,
Go do something very far back like certing to change his stuff. I'm
a fan, but the things that are a bigger hangout for me is taking
me out of the universe. And I guess it's kind of a combo.
And just like I've talked about these before, actors that are very big,
I'm not a fan that it's the same way of like a House of Dragon
and I guess you could have that with Matt Smith that I didn't. Gosh
what, I didn't watch Doctor Who, so I think and I think a
lot of people still don't. I know, there's tons of fans that do
right, but I feel like he's still not super He's not a super well
knowname like a Jack Black wasn't Mandalorian? Right, you're seeing as Morbus character,
Well, well, no, that's that happen first, remember you No
Morvi's happened first. I guess see I didn't see that dance or anything.
But and same thing as I'm rewatching Game of Thrones. It's like they're so
when I podcastic go what they do, what they're doing, and unfortunately the
actors like they're doing stuff but they're not big. But like that kind of
still works because it's like, well, because they're perfect for this role.
So for me, the way Jack Black or Lizzo takes me right out of
it, I'm fine with the voice cameos that I can roll with. But
same thing with this music choice for me, and this is like spoilers if
he didn't watch it. They use a pop song and it's I don't know,
the first time they've done something, and it's like a modern day pop
song on you know, like it's just like I have no think piece.
I have know Oh this breaks stars, this does that, Oh it's this
reason it's something new for me. It just sucks. It's just like it's
lame and I don't even tumble the song. It doesn't matter what it could
have been. It could have been ACDC. They could have Risen David Bowie
back from the Dad, my favorite singer, and he could be singing like
I don't know if this should be here, And it's just something where I
think in general that again I don't even know if I'm gonna fail this show.
I think I'm more leading this way as things go on, because it's
not even that it's bad, it's just messy. And the thing where it's
just like this shouldn't be there might be my whole review of the Accolyte entirely
where it's just I don't know. This episode it made me finally go if
there's a season two. There's things I joy about this, so I would
give it a go. Let's see the finale. But it's also a thing
that if they come out in a week or a month whenever, and we
get some variety poor like, oh, they're not gonna go forward with it.
I go okay, and I'd move along, you know, like and
Unfortunate. I'm kind of that way with all the Star Wars shows right now,
like other than and or, which and Or. I think you could
even argue, like season one, he gets recruited to go do some stuff.
You could just say, well, then he goes to Rogue one,
right, you don't even essentially need season two, But like Mandalorian, they're
doing the movie, so I don't really need another season. Both that I
don't Ahsoka. I could say that Ahsoka want to be like, oh,
well, that's disappointing because I did enjoy ah Soca. I think I enjoyed
it less as I thought about more, but I still want more of that
show. So that's one where i'd go, oh, that's disappointing. But
most of the shows I'm like eh, and this one especially, I don't
feel even next week, when I don't get all the answers, I'm gonna
be like one, I will critique them because they said, well, it's
gonna be a full season. I don't think it's going to be. I
think it's going to end in a very maybe it's not a phone cliff here
I been a way where we feel unanswered on a lot of things. And
the kind of round up about that is we waited weeks for this episode,
right, so much of hinting about what it'd Soul do and everything, And
I'm not gonna say the spoils. We'll obviously take a break and we'll go
into spoilers. But I feel I completely agree with you and I share that
sending a lot of other people do that this should have came much earlier,
and I don't think it needs to be a full episode either. Loss of
this episode is just replaced of seized or episode it was three, right when
we get the flashback, I think, right, I think it was three.
Yeah, yeah, it's just that, but from a certain point of
view, and it's the same scenes, but this time it might be like
Soul from a tree watching and then there's something on his backstory, right yeah,
So I just feel what was the context or so the content of the
episode did not warrant this when again we get many episodes that are very small.
The season's about to be done, so that's one two Again, it's
like the May stuff. There's a bunch of weird writing all over the thing.
Characters are just making choices for the sake of them. Fucking Torven Man,
I can't even talk about him. One of the worst apprentices ever,
as far as it's just like some of the stuff just doesn't make sense,
and their reasoning forgetting to wear from point A to point B it's or maybe
it's this they get from point A to point C, but B is missing,
and he goes, well, what's happening here? And I think I
agree with you too, where you said like, oh, the reveal is
nothing surprising, but I think that thing where Last Jedi, whatever you want
to say about it, I think lots of those reveals obviously did not make
a lot of fans happy, right, Ray being nobody, Luke maybe striking
down his nephew, get it out, And those are choices that I all
fine with, right, But I could get that, And I still think
to a point of view in a Star Wars way, that it's at least
better ridden. Or it's like Ray being nobody was a surprise at that time,
right where this is one is not well ridden, So it's it's it's
in the sense of I feel like in Last Jed, I they're making full
on character choices that that's what divides people. Right. It could be in
a good movie, well shot, well acted, but I really don't like
that Luke does this, or I really don't like that raise this. I
feel like we're missing all those factors of like the show doesn't look good.
There's a point where they get in the speeder bike and man looking real rough.
They should have just cut all that and just showed them like fast travel.
But it's just not written wells either. So it's like I can't even
be I'm underwhelmed by the reveal, and how we get to the reveal is
not satisfying at all either. Again, I think the guy that plays Soul,
he's doing great job acting wise. I think Carrie Mussels in step somewhere
it is a flashbacks and I'm exploiting. You know, she's good. But
there's just other moments too where the Jedi to me are not from how close
slayered a a menace. They All I can say is it's the same thing
as the song. They just don't feel like Jedi for me. There's one
scene in particular where a bunch of Jedi are all very emotional and it feels
very odd for one to be a Knight, one to be a master,
and I don't even know what's uh is is a wookie a master? Is
the Knight? What is he at this point? I don't know. I
don't know. Yeah, I don't know, but I feel like he's at
least trained enough that the Wokie maybe not so much because he goes through some
things, but they just it just doesn't feel And that's I'm not trying because
I hate that cliche, right because I think they're that it's not my Star
Wars. For me, I can say right now, this does not feel
like my Stars, or I can say it's not Star Wars I enjoy.
As I've said before, I will put this into the what if category this
didn't happen. It's not in the one to nine even if you want to
do one to six, I can bar like spaces out because for me,
it does so many things where I'm just like, ah, this just doesn't
feel like Star Wars. It feels like that fan film stuff. There's just
logic jumps, there's scriptwriting jumps and stuff like oh, let's put pops on
here. That's things where it's like I just can't jive with this, Like
this is not stuff that I am looking for in Star Wars, And according
to the ratings it seems like not a lot of people are either now because
it was at first it was like, oh, the first few weeks,
it's like, oh, it's looking good. But now the Nielsen and it's
tough with streaming, right because you never know, it's a lot harder.
But Nilsen, who does Tevie ratings, they went and found that, Okay,
it's the second least watched mornand Or, and I think I can understand
that, and I will go back again when we got in those weeks ago
about you know, the lesbian witches and the forest babies, and yet da
da da da this being whoa what's this? Yeah, I don't even I
will still go by that. Of course, there's probably an audience that don't
like them. They don't tune their Star Wars, so they tune out.
I still think what comes down to it is the characters and the story.
I think people tune out because there's nothing to latch onto. I think for
the most part with this show overall, there might be little, but I
mean, like a core I have to be back every week to see this
and I think this show. This episode really just showed that, not that
the show is a waste of time, but it really is kind of deflating
as far as this is what we're building up to and this is what we
got this. I think this episode was the definition of Acolyte the whole few
years because I even tried to talk Kirkland down because he was more in that
band. We were like, oh, wait, so long for this show,
and and it's all right, and it's like, oh, let's see.
And I think this episode is the perfect just assemblance to show this is
the story of the Acolyte. And unfortunately, yeah, it's we'll see what
happens with the finale because at least it's present day stuff, so I think
it'll be a bit more exciting. But h yeah, I don't have faith
in this and I'm really curious to see what's gonna happen if it gets a
season two or not. And I'm just telling people to really maybe prepare themselves
because I just don't know even then. Too. It's like this thing being
one hundred and eighty million dollars, It's like, is this is this worth
that you know? Is this word? Is this getting people is this is
like? Is the quality like? And or I can make a pitch to
why it's worth it, but this I don't know. Man. I feel
like you just better to go spend one hundred and eighty on a movie and
just see what happens and maybe you'll get some success there. And I really
don't know. So we're gonna get into spoilers unless say you got anything non
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to rant. I don't even know a rant. I just have to continue
on that. Torbin sucks. I the fact that this whole thing like this
is I just this is why we need either better writing because x H ninety
seven has short episodes and they have that, or you need longer episodes.
This whole thing, this whole thing between the Witches and May and Ocean the
Jedi, this whole situation goes down because Torvin just really wants to get back
to Chruso wants to go home, and I just again, this is my
problem of what I have experienced with Star Wars in my life, and everyone
has different experiences, so that's great, but you can't tell me any otherwise
because it's my opinion and what i've you know, taken from Star Wars,
what I've read about Star Wars, right, I don't know how this guy
if Osha Osha can't be a Jedi later on, how does this guy and
Anakin was different because Anakin, I'm not trying to be like those fans,
but at least there was this semblance of one who's super powerful and two the
idea was he could be the chosen one. Right, So I feel like
when I give them shit of like why didn't Yo to say anything to Anakin
after he does like the sand people thing? Right? For me, it's
like, well, and I think there are plot not necessarily, I think
there are not plot holes. It's just arrogances of the Jedi. Well,
you guys should have talked to him like right away, sat him down,
like we need to go over an hr anger management course, like this can
happen again. We need to make sure you're not fucking pad like all the
stuff, right, And that's the thing they mishandle it. But for me,
it's like he's the chosen one. So that's why in that series he
gets like a little a little like loose leash at times because it's like,
well, he could be the answer to everything the prophecy. Right, Torbin
kills all these people indirectly some of them, right, but still just because
this is the mission, this is the key we can get back to course
on when it looked like weren't they already gonna be on their way to course
because they and we get the point of view right in this they're supposed to
leave the witches and leave the Covenant, just keep exploring the planet. That's
okay to do so, I guess. But then why does he think automatically
these twins are gonna get him back to course? Their virgins like an again,
which I'm sure people are gonna be even more mad, or at least
the planet is a virgins, that's what they said, not technically them the
planet, but it's just this thing of I could and by with what I
have with Torben so far and everything of that that that jump just to this
episode put down Okay, he's really homesick, and later on to reveal he's
a master, and a master that just sits around and does nothing and then
he kills himself. So like, I guess they gave me a reason why
he would feel so uh, you know, hurt, because okay, he
did directly lead to those deaths, but I just felt that was one of
the weakest reasons I've seen in Star Wars or just kind of in some of
the reviews we do as a late as far as because he wants to go
home and he's gonna and I just don't even feel like I get there's a
way to train up, but I feel like that should provoke everything to become
a Knight and a master. It's just that that was a puzzle piece that
did not fit for me, and I hate that that was the inciting incident
that this guy, this pad was just homesick, you know. Yeah,
well he's like et. But the Star Wars version's go home Expired Milk.
What a name I want to be thinking about, Expire Milk. That's like
the act Larry Now. It reminds me of how in real life you'll get
a swat team or something barge in the house, kill bunch of people.
But that's the wrong house. The reason for the mistake and is impatience.
And I do get that, I understand. I wish it was more.
I wish that they maybe would have swat swapped places was sold because I'm gonna
say these two things. Then you can go tear top of all this because
they really triumphstance that sold in some bad stuff. Right. He kills mother
Anissa because he think because he thinks she's about to attack. Of course I
agree with him, like he didn't know. That's fine. But what I
hate is then immediately she goes, I was gonna help you. You knowed
you lead with that, like that's the writing of this show of just like
it feels like a parody. I was gonna help you. Like it,
it's like, but I wish they gave him the same way expire milks about
the impatience for me, the homesick one. I just that to me was
not a satisfying reason for this all to start. I would have liked if
he did that because as a rookie padawan, he jumped the stick. Because
later on they give soul the reason already feel guilty. Right, he chooses
between the twins. He lets when the girls die so I don't think you
needed another reason for Soul to feel shitty. I wish they swapt places and
that I would buy if they went there. Let's say they're gonna whatever,
they're like, give another reason, don't do the speed chase, don't do
this. We're having to run to the twins, like, just make it,
they're gonna take Osha whatever. Right, We'll find some reason, right,
a reason. And if he jumps the gun, then I believe that.
But the fact that he would just not even talk with you just he
he runs to his fucking speed bike and just comes like we could go back
to Gorzon and like it just it feels so like Clone Wars Cartoony when we
get those kiddy episodes when it's written for Hey, we gotta write this for
like very young children, you know. So, uh yeah, what are
your thoughts on? Torbin also got some stuff with Soul. I have some
more complaints with the Soul twin thing as well, because I think it's just
again some poor writing. I think Souls a capable Jedi, but he decides
to stop the catwalks instead of why don't you just lit the girls? The
girls are probably much you could have just walked back like they could have walked.
And don't you think he could have just lifted the girls, who are
probably much lighter than the catwalks, like hold them and bring them over.
That might be a little bit more difficult. I mean, because he could
have been holding there could have been like some supports under the catwalks that were
holding it up like he was holding the supports. I don't know, but
you think those those way more than oh do you think those way more then
the you think the girl's way more than the metal supports the beams that would
be You don't see many Jedi force holding a person and lifting them in the
air and moving them. And I think that might be because it's just kind
of difficult. I think I think it maybe it's easier just to do an
object. I'm not I'm not Jedi. I don't know if if you know
this stuff dropping in the chat, I'll excuse that. That's just a little
and that's one where that's a little bit nitpick. That's fine, I can
let it go. I'll excuse that because I do I like the choice where
Okay, he chooses between the twins. That makes him feel kind of at
fault, right, because he actively did not save me. So, all
right, what are your thoughts now? Thoughts on torbin Ah. I didn't
like him rushing off. I thought that that, Yeah, it was kind
of cheesy, and I think him having a fit around the fire was a
little out of place. But I could get over it because he's just kind
of venting. He's exhausted, he's been there, he's having the same food
again, and he's still very adolescent. I think now you have the scene
where mother Anissa is there and they're basically doing the whole They're they're having their
first meeting with them talking and she gets into his head and she's like like
pulling and wearing him down and beating against his head because he's not fortified as
mind, and he finally says, like, I want to go back to
Korso. I love that. That was awesome. That was really good.
That some good witch stuff. Again, I hate that we've confirmed lost her
because I think she's a good actress and I was kind of hoping if any
of the witches going back to be her, and I don't think it's I
think we're getting the one that for me, is a little lesser of the
acting of the two, but we'll talk about that lay Yeah. So now
yeah, So now here we are and he has this this speeder bike chase
scene where Soul goes after him, but Soul's not stopping him. So it's
like, let's Torbin, let's fucking go. He probably was forced controlling Torben,
like Torbin lead the way and let's go in the fact that like he
like he meets it's not like Torbin gets in there and starts like he meets
up with him and just still just they don't stop him. You know,
I made it, Torben, let's go together. Yeah, so yeah,
they go in and yeah, he's just I don't like how he's just that
desperate to get back to course on at this point. The only thing I
contribute to it is that he is compromised because I need to really wear down
his mind. He just he doesn't have that resilience. But of course now
he's like, oh well now I fortified my mind and kil Knaka hasn't Knaka,
which scared the fuck out of me. I was terrified. I thought
that was great, and that was the witch stuff. I loved all the
witch stuff, and it just felt like I was watching like live action Mother
tals and just pop off on data miror do some crazy shit. When they
were like, yeah, turning into like force smoke. Oh that was so
cool, And yeah, I totally agree with That's not how you lead it.
You know, if you know Tap like you, that's exactly it.
You know, grand Turino, when U Clint Eastwood like he puts his hand
in his jacket and then he pulls out like his fake gun and then he
does like the fake shooting, Well that's purpose. So that is on purpose.
Well, clearly she did this on purpose, So who the fuck knows
why? But the result that Clintice would want Grantorino, that's what he wanted,
right. I don't think mother and Lissa wanted this to go down,
because she says I was gonna say, apparently not, but like, yeah,
why didn't you just say something? Why did you choose to go as
you said full email tap and scare the fuck out of soul? And he
acted accordingly? I though with that, Yeah, because that that makes you
don't know what she's doing. She's turning into some of you niver seen before.
Some of these witches are already violent. I'm fine completely with the strikedown
there it makes sense. Well, I just think I wish she just died
and then maybe after they kind of put together oh shit like or even if
it was the other mother being like she was good, like some way for
them to put together. Oh, she was trying to help instead of Emo
tep stab me. I was gonna help you die, like just say that
before specially she could speak like just come on, now, let's look at
this now from what we've seen, what we know, the other mother was
doing the same thing, and that was to actually possess one of them.
So now that makes me think, Okay, what was she doing and mother
and he said, going to possess someone? What was her goal here?
Because what was the standoff? It was soul Torbin and the other mother.
Yeah, yeah, the two No, it was just are you taking the
Anissa? They were side. Yeah. I don't know if she was gonna
try to when she possessed the other mother, maybe to make her stand down.
That's what I was wondering, even if there's a way to possess like
both of them, because like Torvin did, like have his lights, they
were out ready to go again. This apprentice instigating this apprentice should not become
like a master. Later on, he's like, you see all this is
just like fail, Like he fails on so many spectrums here, like he
just the second he gets back, you covered up and then you say sorry,
Torbn, like this isn't the life for you, especially because we're I
need again. Do you think that's gonna get answered next week of why Osha
couldn't be I guess she failed that she just failed the Jedi. No,
we won't get an answer for that where I doubt we're gonna she said she
failed, right, so I'm assuming that she took the trials and failed.
I'm guessing right, that's gonna be it. Yeah, So I just feel
like Torbn, what they presented this episode, I don't buy this. Dude
could do the trials and complete it a thing with Anakin again, very passionate,
very emotional, but to me, it's like because he was so strong
on the force, that's how he could do or even if the Jedi didn't
want to, He's like, well, he passed everything with flying colers.
Like I guess maybe the idea is hopefully Torbin would learn for this, but
again he's dead that we don't learn much from here. That's why I think
some of this episode. I feel definitely they should have done this is three
and four because for me, this didn't feel like a big reveal. I
felt like I have so many like little issues along the way. But like
if we leave, like the whole show's trying to be they've swapped places,
right, and the motivation we thought was for Osha to learn something about that
situation and go oh, I shouldn't trust them, right, And I would
say that flashback does this they led the I'll say they inside the incident with
the Jedi tourb and they inside it. He Soul killed his mother and even
if Ocean and like this, he let his sister drop right and lied about
that. Okay, that makes sense for Osha. Now with may can you
give me a reason why if we're thinking this SWAP's gonna happen, why would
she now want to be with the Jedi or be a Jedi Beera apprenticed Soul.
I'd feel like he's telling the story and what she remembers the story,
this is an even worse version of the story. I thought they were gonna
give something for Oshan to turn and something for Main to turn. I just
feel like it would make Osha bad and it would make May worse. But
what's to tell because May saw it all well, no, he he could
say that I actively let you die, right because she was looking at her
sister, so he she might have just thought, oh, he couldn't save
me. But he's saying that I made the choice not to save you.
I think that's what he'd be saying. That's that's fair. But he made
it out like he had so much more to tell her. I feel like
I don't think Anissa knew. She didn't know it was there though, right
because May walked out and then he missed misidentified. He's like what and then
that's all the time apparently for Saul. He he I have this connection to
Osha and then May runs out. This whole episode is motherfucker, But I
have a connections Again, what I cannot stand. These Jedi are so much
like when they're like we got the test results, He's fucking sprinting to the
table to find out like a kid to find out if they pass high school.
It's like, who are these Like? It's so weird because this is
supposed to be leading to the Phantom Menace. Jedi those are like the most
stoic motherfuckers that don't care and are very like emotionless nonchalant, like we talk
on the High Republic way way back, like that's more when they're a bit
more emotional and they're letting love class. I know that's the Council, right,
I mean these Jedi, they're not part of the Council. They're subordinates
and they're kind of they're that lower rank. And we see that even in
the High Republic era. Look at someone like Avar Chris or Avar Chris or
a lone Gray Storm, like they have the things where it's just like you
get like, I feel like none of these characters are like the classic Jedi
that we know and love, you know, because they will be that way
for a second, even when him and Uh, I'll go, what's carry
Moss's character's name in here, Nada, Anaa or Kanada. It's something like
that anyway, So Trinity, at the end, when they get back to
the ship, they're literally like wrestling with each other, like like having dumb
and dumber fights. Caught me off guard. I'm like, what the fuck
is going? I could? I could for some reason by Torbin and Soul,
even though Soul, which is okay, they've made him a very emotional
Jedi, even though like to me that again, this is all it's my
perspective, Qui Gon's supposed to be like an emotional Jedi, and look how
stowa Key is in those movies, right, Soul is very emotional, So
okay, we're going with that emotional Jedi. The fact that the Master now
is like they're fucking fighting and the Apprentice to be like stopping and they're like
they're like tied up, they're ready to they're headlock and they're ready to go.
I'm just like, who are these people? Like? These are not
the Jets? Like this to me does not scream Jedi, because maybe that's
what they're going for. At Torben saying we've been here for how long?
And she's like, we've been here about seven weeks, and maybe that's just
every day it's the same thing, metal detectors out, same food, repetition,
and maybe they are just getting annoyed with each other. I need a
more fuller episode of that. I need again, and so you've done multiple
times. I can't have you explain it for me. I need the show,
and I just I've never seen Jedi wrestle like that. Last time I
saw Jedi wrestle like that was like or Jedi wrestle like that was like Anakin
back on fucking we're in Naboo with bad grass. Yeah, Like it was
strange, but like that's the thing where the I it's it's strange choices they've
made with they all feel very like like younglings, which is I could buy
if these were kid jedis for some reason, the seven year old jedis on
a mission. For the fact that the Master Knight apprentice, I don't know
what the Wookie is all being very all over the map, I don't know.
So that's the thing of I just don't Anyways, that's what I was
gonna ask you. Sorry, we went on a tangent. Why would May
if we're assuming and let's say that's what they will do, why would May
choose to work with Soul at all anymore? Or is that just not gonna
happen now because I don't see a reason from this flashbackstory'd be like, oh,
she should give the Jedi a chance. I think it'll come down to
whether or not she forgives Soul or not for killing her mother out of the
why would she forget I think maybe if she hears the whole case of just
how he made a mistake and he's apologetic and yeada YadA YadA, and how
he tried to he wanted to save them both and he was afraid all I
still incited the incident though, Right, if Torbin doesn't show up, maybe
this big explosion doesn't happen, But Toban's dead, so she's she's got all
her revenge on them, right, So okay, But that they were apologetic,
Torbin was sorry and then he killed himself, So then more anything happens
with May Because if we're saying, oh, she might try and Soul,
I just feel like that would the Jedi as a whole. She could maybe
forgive Soul, but I just don't feel like she'd be like, oh I've
seen enough that I should become a Jedi now you know. Oh she's not
becoming a Jedi. But I think it'll just be a level of forgiveness and
she won't be trying to kill Soul. And I think, yeah, she'd
probably go to prison. Maybe she'll just run away and flee the galaxy and
see something. I don't know if anything I think you could see Osha being
the one, if the right, depending how the writing goes and how they
were alluding to her putting the helmet on, and she's like full dark side
and whatnot. She's eating it up and loving chime here. Then I think
that she could be the one to just be fueled with rage when Chymer tells
her what happens. And that's not a thing too. How does Kimer know
about everything that transpired here? I don't. That's a lot. I don't
know. I feel like you're gonna pitch something I don't because you're already pitching
in our gen. I got nothing to pitch because I don't think one episode
of so how do you squeeze that in there? Like his backstore and everything
with his knowledge on the Twins? Right, I'll pitch that later. What
I will say, though, this The other thing I forgot is we talked
about this already before and again here because we went on so many tangents.
When Soul is just emphasizing how much of a connection he has to Osha and
he just constantly can't censor. I just don't buy it. It's like I
said, it's literally the writing is flip floppy where they want us to believe
that he has such a strong connection with Osha he has to take her to
then he won't. The second this girl walks room doesn't know her. The
second a grown adult who after osher you spend days with back together does not
know it's not Osha. It's just it's like no one just sits like.
All I'm saying is you could say that you feel like feel for this girl,
want a trainer, but don't say they feel When he's like, I
feel so connected, I feel like she's gonna be my pad one. To
me, that's like already a deep connection. Don't do that then in the
show. Don't make it so deep, just make it that he cares about
her. And that was another line too, when the Uh the Uh Trinity
was like, Okay, well we're gonna tell the counsel the truth that there
was a fire and everyone died, which is like a very white, live
version of the truth. But okay, again for me, it's a big
lie. But okay, I guess we're rolling with these Jedi lied to the
council right for me. When they're like, well it's gonna have Alosha,
she's like and Soule was like, no, no, no, I still
want to tell them. I gotta kind of admit my sins. She's like,
no, look at this girl, everything she's been through, you can't
do this again again, a very non Jedi response to me that she was
worrying about the girl's heart and everything like that, and that was which was
odd to me, especially with this master, who so far has been shown
to be very cold. It's not like a Qui gon gin where Okay,
you meet him, then you learn as you keep talking them, like okay,
there's more to him, and he's a bit more personable than some of
the other Jedis. So far, she's been very by the books, and
now all of a sudden she's worried about this girl's feelings. When she didn't
she was with the counsel, didn't want to train them right. So I
just feel like, again, they say one thing, they show us one
thing with a character or motivations, and they do the complete opposite in a
scene or two later. And that's why it's like the main thing that had
this is a consistent problem I have with the show. They've done this with
me right where I'm gonna turn myself in. I'm not gonna turn myself in.
I'm not gonna kill Jed anymore. I'm gonna try and kill Soul.
It's just they can't. I don't know if it's multiple writers. I don't
know if it's just for the plot. So I just couldn't get into him
being so connected and not knowing it was may you know, felt very odd
again to happen to him. So yeah, just when you're talking about how
could Torbin do the trials, so here's Star Wars fandom wiki dot com.
Good, I got four trials and we'll see if Torbin can do. This
is a trial skill where okay, he can maybe because he's he's blocking.
Those are just something like his fight Yeah. Yeah, his fight scenes were
sick. I'll give him that. And he's like, man, I again,
I'm a huge sucker for the prequel fight style. And so when he's
sitting there and he's spinning, spinning his wrist into like full three sixty spins
yeah, and or seven twenty spins even, and his sabers just going from
his back to his front, deflecting the arrows, I'm like, oh,
this is fucking sick. I love this. The only one problem I had
is I did not like when him and I don't care. It can be
a fucking nippick when him and the Wookie or the Wookie was to strike him
and he stops it. He should not be able to stop the Wookie's strength
there when he was holding the Wookie back with his lightsaber, it wasn't even
a strong angle like I. He was like this. He was like this
man's lifting. So I was like, H kind of made the Wookie a
little weaker there, But I digress. I give the Wookie the benefit and
not the benefit. I give Tormn the benefit because the Wokie was possessed.
So there's that. But but it a little weaker. Yeah. But his
fight scene with km Maack I was was great. I love Commack. I
just go into town on the two of them trial of courage, confronting their
greatest fears. So I feel like he overcame some fears in this episode,
be fortifying his mind and not letting them get back in there. I feel
like he was able to do that. Yeah, but I don't he he
led to dozens of people dying. That to me is a major Even if
he didn't start the fire, what Okay, so what's the scenario if he
doesn't show how the fire starts and I imagine the witches just put it out.
Um, he led to the death of mother Anissa, that's all.
Like he led the death of her and others. The fire maybe did something
we'll talk about. I don't even know what the they got, like gasoline
tanks in there and like pro pank because all of a sudden it starts blowing
up. It's like, and that's what. But did he did he yes
or no? Lead to the deaths of people in this episode? Yes?
Yeah, So I'm gonna say he fails that one. In my opinion,
that's a fail. He I would say he leads to the death of at
least one person, Well, I'd say I'd say more than the explosions was
definitely may But again that's that's that's courage. So there's another trial here that
I think changes it up. So Trial of Spirit pitts the Apprentice against their
own shortcomings. Like that's where he fails because this is all him. He
fails with the shortcomings. He's he's two, He's one for two right now,
can at least get fifty? And with the Jedi do you gonna pass.
You gotta pass all these, right, you do? Oh? Sorry,
there's actually a fifth one. So the fourth one, trial of flesh
historically involved physical pain. I feel like he he you know, his face
looking pretty scarred up. I think he passes. Yeah, he was fine.
He was so conscious, he wasn't crying anything. So I'll give him.
He's got a good pain tolerance. So yeah. The last one is
insight. So the ability was this delusions and deceptions, say he did overcome
it. I guess that's the mind fortification. But usually they it includes a
riddle or a puzzle for them to solve. I'm saying, I'm saying,
give the witches, like another hour with him. He's fucked again. Like
the witches were also compromised in the same way you say the wook. He
was compromised. The witches had a lot going on. So I'm just saying,
you know, so, yeah, I don't think he passes that.
So can I ask you? So we get the situation of okay, so
mother and he said dies, which I get. She lost her wife.
I just wasn't buying the character at that point, but that's fine. So
she decides her and soul are gonna fight and in a very weird scene where
she's like, strike me, fight me, okay, whatever? Cool?
So much like what was it May in the first episode, right, And
I just I think you and Kirkland you said a couple weeks ago, I
think you're right about there's another master out there. But fuck, guys,
it's gonna be the fucking what alien races she It's gonna be the Zadrac Mother.
And that's the biggest No. I didn't see her. She got away
because like the thing is what we were just talking about. I just lost
them on Zabra mother being the master. Yeah, but why how did I
get there? Oh my god? She she was fighting soul and so was
dodging the head right, and she kept saying fight, strike me, fight
me, the same thing May was saying to the Jed in the first two
episodes, right of strike me, fight me, you know, like she
didn't want to fight them unarmed. And the other thing is, at one
point when they're talking about the levitation and everything, there's something that Osha said
that when they're talking about the Whether it was Kymie or this is not there
at some point or maybe it was May, I can't remember. But it
was in episode four they said, oh, my mother taught me that,
So that's where, and it was something that late. I think they were
talking about levitating and then we see kime here. We didn't know it was
him levitate, and that's where I think that she is gonna be still alive
because where did she go at the end of this we didn't see her.
Oh, we don't know. So you have kim here, who is a
parent. People are rumoring now obviously that Ernestra was his master. He used
to be a Jedi, his at least a Jedi master. Also, yeah,
his master harmed him. And so at that point he runs off and
mother z Abrac is like, Hey, I'm gonna hook you up with uh
this dark side stuff. And when you said you're you even pitched it when
I like, I'm giving all these examples and you're like, how would Kimier
know all this? Well? Who better to tell them than this fucking lady.
And I think that's gonna be the route we're going. I can head
candidate in many different ways, but it's still over rules, because I mean,
what you're saying is they could write it that way and it would fit.
And I think it would alienate a large part of the community. I
would really really really hate that. I really really would. And I stand
by so much Star Wars stuff. There's a lot of stuff that people don't
like that I like, and there are things I really like with the show
generally do but that would really really hurt it for me if they did that.
But I'm somebody that even weeks ago I said, like, I get
people if they don't like the Anakin thing. I understand because it's an things
I don't like. But for me it's not an issue. But when you
say, like, oh, that'll really kind of excommunicate some fans, I
think unfortunately with the show, they've kind of already done that, right,
And I'm not even talking about the political stuff. Take that all out with
the lower stuff of the and even if there's people that go, like the
age thing, throw out, but like the Caddy money thing, it's like,
do people like that? That character is a when people are talking about
you know, maybe not Sith, but just stuff going on, right,
people with powers and Master and Apprentice. For me, I'm so gonna go
no, I don't like that. I think it's too much of a stretch,
and that's where I feel like this show, I feel like it is
similar to Last Jedi, where it's not just one, it's multiple things.
They've done at least three things. I would say maybe four. I'd say
the thread again didn't bug me. I'd say the you know, the Virgins,
the miracle bursts didn't bug me, but that bug people. I'd say
the stuff with Caddy Monday, whether it's the age or him being around when
they're talking about the shit. And now this idea of you know, if
they play with the plague Ess or the Palpatine or the Tenebrists or whatever they
do, right, like, there's four potential. The fourth is potential.
But I think they're gonna do some stuff. There's things where it's just I
don't think there's stuff they needed to do, per se. I don't think
they needed to it's just it. And even Last Jedi, I disagree with
a lot of people's takes those because I don't think they're as bad as people
make them out to be, but I still understand them. But with this
one, I go, I just think there's certain things that just they don't
need to do. They don't need to go. You don't have to have
caddy money there. You know, you don't have to do that. The
threat thing didn't bug me, but just like you just could call it the
force and everyone's fine. Again, that doesn't bug me. I'm fine that
different religions have that right. But I feel like this show is doing that
thing where it's poking the bear, and you can do that, but it
has to be done very well, and I think unfortunately the writing is not
that well. So that's where I think you're just like you're turning people against
not everybody, but you're turning people against it. And it's that thing that
I think people start to check out. And that's where when you say,
oh, I hope they don't do that, because they'll you know, push
some fans away. I think unfortunately they've done that multiple times and they're kind
of still they still got a couple of cards at their sleeves. I guess
to do it a little bit more, you know. So let's take an
ad break and then tay, it'll take us to the next points. We'll
be right back and we are back next sir. Uh. So again,
it's not Medichlorians. It's the same thing though it's m count but it's different
terminology, different terminology. They just you know what they girl fucking backbone Star
Wars. You know what I'm saying this Disney Star Wars because I'm some just
say it or don't say it. Fucking George did Mediclorians. As I've said
many times, that's stupid. I don't like it. In the whole original
trilogy is talked about is this feeling an or something in the air, something
in the universe, And then the prequel is like, well, if you
got really good DNA, you know, you could be a Jedi. I
don't like that, but there it is. Just if you're gonna use you'r.
They are using Medichlorians, but they don't want to say mediclorians because like,
oh, we know a lot of people don't like that, so we're
not gonna do that. So it's just like, just say the fucking word.
Just say it. Just do it. That whole thing you did in
Star Wars for Us Awakens when you did the this would be good to make
things right again, it's not right. We're in it. We're we're in
the fucking shit. You guys. You may your bed now you go to
sleep in it. And that's the thing, and also like before I forget,
why the fuck they better explain it because Les the headlines said, oh
you know, I can't speak about that now. We heard like kyler Ren's
theme like three times in this episode, all like when the fucking Wookie's fighting,
kyle Ren's themes going on. It's like, nothing about kylo Ren has
to do with witches or this. As we've talked about before, it still
makes no seth sense because they're saying, hey, it's a sith and kylo
Ren apparently wasn't a seth to them, right, So I don't know.
With the fucking m count, the kylo Ren thing, there's just multiple things
that's just like, what are we doing here? Just just say Mediclorin's that's
a nippick. But still I just feel like it's just like they're trying to
be safe, but it's just like you're using you're using Mediclorians, you're using
the blood count. Yes, yeah, no, it's absolutely Medicchlorians. So
I like that they were basically scanning it and they're able to deduce that,
Oh, it's actually Osha May is the same person. It's not. They're
not twins. They are identical they're more like clones than twins. Yeah,
exactly, they're more like clones, which is interesting. Yeah, you call
it like it's the same thing with with Anakin, and basically, like what's
the dialogue. I think I pulled it up here where I've encountered a virgins
in the Force, lookate around a person, a boy the cells of the
highest concentration of Midicchlorians. I've seen A life for him is possible. He
was conceived by the Midiclorians. So that's pulled from the Phantom Menace. Uh,
And I think it's fun to kind of like retouch upon that here and
that's where anymore though Taylor not special, that's true. But yeah, I
mean it doesn't attract for me because like they don't know how he was created.
Again, it's just it depends how Uh, it depends how this unfolds,
because I don't I with Caddy Mundy being in the Jedi Council and all
these the Jedi and obviously we see these Jedi boots on the ground having these
experiences, they're not relaying this information. They did not relay to the Council
that there was a virgens in the Force with the twins. They only said
that they found I think that's what they said. Yeah, they did,
because they didn't know that the twins were a virgins. Yet they knew that
the witches had these children and they were for sensitive and that's it. They
did the test and they related to the council, and the council said,
you need to leave them, stop doing that, just bugger off. And
then after that's when Torbin discovered Okay, they're the virgins, it's the twins
because of the DNA. Then they interfered. So the council, the Council
does not know that these children were born of the force, so that could
again it depends on how next week goes. That could play out whoever it
is. But the council also doesn't know the Sith is popping off right now
the balloons before I pass it to you. Okay. That's where I think
it makes Anakin still very relevant because we have two scenarios where May and Osho
were born out of a versions of the Force, and then we have Anakin
born of the versions of the Force. And now they don't know that Osha
and May are that are that scenario the only one for them is still Anakin,
and they don't. We don't have confirmation that it was Palpatine. There's
the comics and whatnot, but we don't have a full canon movie, TV
show confirmation of how I was formed. It was just a vergence in the
force and there he is. And so for the Jet at that time,
Hey, chosen One, he's special. Yeahda YadA, yeada. This doesn't
detract from that, but I think we do. I still don't think they've
we've never really read the full prophecy, so I've I always ask people this,
find me the thing where it says that the Chosen One has to be
of unnatural causes birth, like Yoda says, could be misread, could have
been right. Well, that's what I mean. Like, it's not like
it's not like they don't just say, like, okay, personal randomly get
pregnant and there you go. Because it's supposed to be like an allegory for
like Jesus right, it's marrying Joseph, that she just became pregnant. That's
what people. If you don't get it, it's been this long, it's
like, and it's supposed to be Jesus right. So they're saying, I
think that's where people's issues are, which I don't have the exact same issues,
but I think people have the issue of, well, there's some Sith
before and they covered up, and all there were these twins before and they
covered up, where it's just like these things in Phantom Menace already happened,
and like if they weren't stopped here, that would have been the Star Wars
that would have let to and everything. Like that's the defense that people have.
That's not why I was putting up my hand put up the hand as
I think I'm completely forgotten now. But oh, that's what I was gonna
say. Why do you think they would train Osha now? Because with Qui
Gon and Anakin they say no, but he quiet and just says, fuck
it, I'm gonna train myself. And this Soul is not even a master
yet, he's still a Knight at this point in this episode. So like
the idea that she says, well, you know, we're gonna keep this
lie because uh OSHA's been through so much, we can't just leave her.
I just feel like if they brought her a council with the council, especially
with just a Jedi Knight, would they say Okay, sure you can train
her with theyd be like, well, we'll find a suitable home for this
orphan. Like, that's my one thing of they actively because we didn't know
that before. We had heard in the past that they thought she was too
old, but this episode we got to confirmed that. The council said no,
right, they said no, don't bring them, we don't want to
train them. So why now would they change their minds when he brings Osha
back. Don't bring them because they belong to this coven and they it's they
to stay there. The Covenant is responsible for them. We're not going to
pull them away. But now when you say a fire started, everyone died,
and now this child is alone but has very capable force abilities, and
you have apparently Master and or Nada is now vouching for the child to become
a Jedi, and now you have Soul and I'm sure kel Naka is just
like saying, yeah, Maker or Jedi, and then Torben's like, yeah,
I feel bad Maker a Jedi. So you have a whole squad it's
all probably advocating for her to become a Jedi. So I think you have
that. The one thing that we learned in this episode was Soul was mad
at Master uh in Dara because in Dara was not pushing the Council enough to
kind of she wasn't swaying them or pushing them, and Soul was inscating that
he would have kind of pushed them a little bit more. And so I
think now that you have and Dara actually making more of a push at the
end of this because they she's obviously attached to Osha. It's like, oh,
you're going to crush OSHA's dream now, Soul, so you have that.
Yeah. But them count thing though, the m count stuff I think
is interesting, Yeah, I guess so yeah, if it's Midclaurin's. It
just find it interesting that they would say no and then they bring her back
and like, oh, I guess, but yeah, final, Okay,
I can kind of get that way. Again. I'd like the show to,
uh, let me know here and confirm some of that stuff, but
we don't have enough time, so we're not gonna We're not gonna go back
to the council. And again, I would love to. That's something too
where it sometimes feels like the show's on a budget where they tubble the council
so much I would love if we got one scene of the council and know
who's on the council right now, even if it's just people we don't know
if we know it's Yoda or don't know it's Yoda, yarial poof Yoda.
Well, sure, guys, Apparently they couldn't get Apparently they couldn't get Yoda
for fucking episode four, So you know, I guess you can't. They
can't. They got a one hundred and eighty million dollar budget, but you
can't get the fucking puppet even, you know, Like, I don't know
what's going on with this show sometimes. But and my last thought was just
with the mcclorian's, like plague Ess was doing so much Chlorian testing and just
going back on this book, like, holy fock him Antenna breast like especially
playing as he was doing lot. He was mixing everything. He was cross
breeding species, breeding things, mixing the mcclorians around, and he talks about
how you can manipulate mediclorians, but you can't have them or no, sorry,
he can sense them to Chlorians, he can detect them as their own
kind of beings, but you can't manipulate them yet. And that's what he
was trying to figure out, and how he talks about that you can take
them, and you can take the blood of a force sensitive put it into
someone else and it may have interesting effects, but it's not gonna make them
for sensitive. It'll still create interesting results. But that's where he gets into
like cloning force sensitive is are very very difficult, which we've seen in the
Mandaloria, and there's a lot of tribulation trials with that. Even Rise of
Skywalker there's tribulations with that. So it's it just comes down to the fact
that, however these twins are made, I really hope that it is Darth
Plagis oriented. But then you also have an interesting note too where he talks
about how after he kills his master Tenebris, and Tenebris talks about how that
there are other dark side users out there that you need to be careful of,
and I like that how he talks about how the rule of two there
are different lineages of this, and his lineage is a direct descendant of Bain's
Rule of two, so they're like the true rule of two. That lineage
goes all the way down to Vader and so forth. But we kind of
you got all those inquisitors and a saws Ventriss, so not really not really,
yeah, but even then you learned ten I mean Kirkland mentioned it before
Tennabis trained another apprentice outside of Plagus, and hey, it's Darth Venomous,
But then Venomous was he called himself Darth, but he never was actually bestowed
the title of Darth as a Sith. But it's just prospects. And then
Venomous had a bunch of a fourth sensitive prospects to have a pres like they're
always just they're always they got something going on, scheming. But that reminds
me of one other thing. So if Kaimer is like Sith all this kind
of stuff, is that because the Zabrac woman has kind of bestowed that on
him. I feel like his tenants and his kind of morals don't really align
with hers because he's maybe he is too much of a Jedi that's just kind
of gone dark the way he talks and acts. Like of course, they
alluded to the way he gets inside your head and then OSHA's like, well,
yeah, that reminds me of my mother. My mother used to do
that. But there I still feel like he does have different morals. Yeah,
but that could be that they didn't used to have different morals, right,
they grow hard and everything. So that's where if they do reveal that
the Zabracs is master, I would need a flashback episode or some more context.
Okay, how did you get together? I imagine it would be something
along the lines if he was a Jedi, he meets a Zabrac at some
point, she's interested in him, and maybe he's kind of like tinkering with
dark stuff. Venestra finds out and maybe there's a fight, and that's how
she kind of leaves him for day, right, Like I could see it
in that sort of scenario. So that's where we don't know I could see
now. But also the same thing the Zabrac, like this is where she
is now. We don't know what she would have been like after all this
goes down, right, Like everyone's dead, her lover's dead, her children
are gone. So it's like that could also change a person too, So
she could be more like chime here now after everything that happened at the at
the coven, right, So that's where there's a lot of loose ends in
time to fill. So that's where I can't commit there. I did like
that they did not pick alleged yet as far as how the twins were born,
and I think they should not. I don't think they should. On
the opposite of you that, I actually hope it's if it's Plagueus, I
hope it's Plagus. Indirectly, I hope he didn't like land Down. It's
like, oh, I'm working with these witches and oh shit, look,
it's like I hope it would have been like they're messing with it. And
because some people say that where it's like some people read it's like him and
Sidi has created Anakin. But then also some people I think in some books
made that book you're reading, it's like it's insinuated because I think it's legends.
So that's where it's like, well, it's not true canon. But
when the version is that Sidius and Plagis were We're doing this and in you
know, trying to make something dark Site, but the Force responded by creating
Anakin. Now it didn't really work out because Anakin just became like one of
the worst dark Side users of all time. So wait to go way to
Chlorians in Force. But that's where it's kind of you know, there's not
a clear answer, and I think they're saying they should not do clear answer
in some of these things. So I like that she didn't answer it.
They when they asked how she was born, she just said the Jedi we're
gonna, you know, defeat themselves. That you know obviously they do so
good foreshadow, good foreshadow, and you get the whole sequel trilogy and everything.
So that's good. But no, I hope if it's Plagas, it's
nothing direct. I hope he has nothing to do with uh before I did.
I don't want I don't want those characters a part of this show.
And I'm very happy Yoda's not. It should be there for the loss of
I just don't trust the writers. That's the thing. I've lost trust in
the writers. So maybe another go around, But I just worry if Plagas
gets in here, like and if yeah, if he is a sif because
they get to the same way, like you said, they could just bestow
that. He also not calling himself like we don't know his like like he
like last week, did she even call him kime here? Does she ever
call him by name? I'd have to know. I don't think anyone is,
So that's what it's like. We don't know his name, right,
so maybe next week it is like, oh, my name is dar Smiley
or whatever it is, right, and they're like, okay, it's a
Darth. But like you said, it could just be these two outsiders bestowing
the name on themselves. It's the same way as to watch House or Game
of Thrones right now, where there's some that are bastards that they got to
earn their title, but some they just call themselves by their father's name.
But it's like, well, you're technically not allowed to do that yet because
you haven't been bestow the name. You should be a snow or a crow
or something like you. You haven't earned this right. But if they feel
they are, let's say, let's say kime Here and the Zabrac were together
and now they've broken apart, but at one point they're together and they feel
they are the true Sith and they can take down Playis or Tenabis or whoever
it is, then I could see them being like, well, yeah,
we're Darths or we're Sith, you know, so that that's easy to do.
And again, because like I've said, I the Sith is just a
name anybody that's dark side you there are the red lightsabers and sith. In
my opinion, I think Disney views it that way too, So we'll find
out. Uh cool shout out to the hyperspace disaster. They mentioned that brend
Doc was the result of like a hyperspace incident happened a long time ago,
and we know we know what that was because that was in like the the
first like kickstarting adult novel of that, right, Oh that one when that
the big hyperspace dis aster and the Nihill like mid Sugar that ship to blow
up in hyperspace. Yeah, you start destroying Platt. It's like that one
idiot Nihill guy that kind of is like a part of all that, right,
And yeah, so again that was a long time ago, which again
you can see here this is well hmmm, I'd have to actually calculate the
years and see how this goes because Vernestra was alive during the hyperspace disaster time.
So but she was a young child. Remember, Yeah, this species
ages that's right, that's right, maybe a thousands like Catty Monday, right
exactly, slow ager. Yeah, it's a cool little tie into the overall
high Republic stuff. So I was gonna ask you, and this is where
for me it just came down to poor Brighton and I didn't understand. So
we get the Wookie fight. I thought that was good. As I said,
I wish they made the Wookie a tad more physical, stronger. Very
cool to see a Wookie just with the lightsaber. It makes me wish he
was a part of the show the entire time and we had him as like
a side character, like actually know of him. Again, there's many things
i'd go, but I digress. So wish he was a little stronger.
But anyways, so the zab rack, she goes into the Wookie right to
control him? Right, she creates a conduit for the group of witches to
control him. Yes, so, which is odd because she could just like,
do they need that kano in every time? I don't know. I'm
not proficient on witch megage, so I didn't think they did. So I'll
wait to see if there's an answer. I thought they could just do their
loone. But for me, it's just that, I guess Trinity, it
just for me felt like a very easy leap for Endira or Indira to push
them out of his mind and then they all just die or pass out and
that means they die and pass out from the fire. Felt very easy and
very irolly for me, and I did not like it when that was the
whole what happened is because they tried to make it seem like, oh,
did someone slaughter these witches? Did the Jedi slaughter of them? And no,
they just passed out because like she gave a little force push and I
guess that took them out where we saw like before, and Anissa get almost
pushed out of his mind and she was fine, but well, yeah,
and Dara that's why she's a Jedi master, and she sivered that connection and
they all just killed themselves. So dumb, and that's for me, It's
just just dumb. And then, like you said earlier, we get revealed
that uh the fire because there's all these things like did someone else start another
fire? Did they make it look like it was May? Did someone possess
May all this stuff? And uh no, May little fire to burn the
Jedi book and just kid playing the fire dropped it and that created the whole
thing that destroyed this entire witch coven thing. Uh yeah, very very kind
of like you tub Then four was very anti climatic answer to how did this
all happen? Well, kid playing matches not all because obviously Torbin's still there
and sold it his thing where he killed Mesa. So there's many things right,
But even if the witches were unconscious, I would have well, I
get I guess if the place on fire, the Jedi just left him the
Jed. I didn't even try to save them and pull them out. They
just saw my ath. They it just burned. Cool, good, good
job Jedi. Yeah, so I was that was very very anti climactic,
and like I said, the whole re it felt like they were showing us
things in episode three that could be very interesting, and they paint themselves into
a corner. So what did they do with the witches? Like fainting with
may just accidentally starting the fire? It felt like they took routes that undercut
episode three, much like I talked about stuff in episode five where I like
the fighting, but there's things about the I mean, like the other episodes,
least I think this happened again, Like I don't want to. I
don't think I'll I guess there's may Well, I never mind, I'm not
gonna watch the show again. So I'll just take that back. But if
I were, I don't know if i'd need to watch episode three really of
some main ocean stuff I guess, which again that doesn't matter because May is
all over the fucking map in the show. But I just felt like they
kind of tricked us. They pulled the rug under from out under us to
be like, oh, something really interesting here. It's like, no,
it's the most easy kind of just just get a jail free card you could
do. Is Yet the witches they got incapacitated, and May did start the
fire, but shouldn't mean to start the fire. So yeah, it's unfortunate.
Yeah, let me look, do you have any other notes here?
I don't think so. I'm surprised. I most of this episode has just
been me kind of like complaining with some highlights. But again, the episode
has just been similar scenes that we've already seen, but just the for an
angle and just adding a little bit more filler in the background. Just Okay,
this character was really here. This character was here, and we get
to see a little bit more of a dynamic and a dilemma. Well,
I can't appreciate seeing the ranks of Jedi where Soul is the night he's he
reminds me of kind of like of Yord, where Yord is kind of like
compulsive and emotional to a degree, and then you have talk your words better
than him though as far as just being a bit more like but even Yord's
just like oh oh shaw like, nope, handcuffs for you, YadA YadA,
Like he's definitely in his own way, he's he is more composed at
the same time he is. They're they're different, and they're all flawed in
their own ways. And I think the show is really trying to flush out
how the characters, each in their own Jedi rank are flawed and how I
don't know. At its core, these Jedi have just definitely dropped from what
Jedi used to be and the higher public novels, I would say, And
I do like that, but I don't like the way that it is written,
like you've already said. But I just I'm just yeah, and for
you, because you're a pre bigger prequel fan than I am. And I
think there's moments of it where I go, Okay, I understand this.
Do you find this is a logical jump to only be about what is like
eighty years before femin Menace. Those one hundred years, do you think that
is enough time for them to change? In my opinion, so much.
And again we see a lot of masters everything, but and there's some emotional
beats, but I feel like, oh we won. Like he's a little
whiny, but the most we ever seen emotions when Qui Gon dies. That's
when it's like, Okay, this makes sense. Even then he's like telling
Qui Gon like we should leave the boy or whatever. He's like, yes,
he's throwing his own opinions out there, and Qui Gon keeps reminding him
of his place. So I think that there's certain this show is trying very
hard to knock on certain similarities with the Phantom Menace. But the thing the
show is doing is is emphasizing it a little bit too much on certain fronts
in a way that people don't necessarily like. And you can't just always have
all the Jedi doing fight cool cool fight sequences, and you can't have them
having staying like conversations yeaha yah yah like because the conversations again, they're they're
struggling with the writing, but you can't hide certain things that they're doing with
these characters and certain exaggerations that they're focusing on that they've been inspired and they're
pulling from based on the writing of The Phantom Menace, Like The Phantom Menace
is written with George leading that ship, and so now you have different writers
that are trying to build off of that but make it a prequel. And
I think that's very difficult. It shouldn't be difficult. It should be pretty
straightforward, because what do people want. They want a Sith oriented show.
Give us a Sith master training a Syth apprentice and just all that, and
then throw it in where they're running into Jedi and they're killing Jedi and you
have battles and they're staying hidden and they're on the run. Yeahda YadA YadA.
To me, it seems like a no brainer, and just yeah,
just take advantage of the cannon. Like Keaddy, Mundy is its own thing.
I'm not bothered by it. It is what it is. People are
attached to. Oh wookiep says this, like, okay, calm down,
it's fine. But I think that if they just give us, give us
Yoda and that small doses, like even the higher public books, they know
not to just dump Yoda on us all the time you get him and either
of the characters self reflecting and thinking in the past, and I have to
have a conversation they've had with him, or he strolls in at the end
of the book and says something like, gee, yeah, I'm just rambling
now, but I feel like they are a different paths that could have been
chosen. But this is the one we're given, and I will hold my
tongue and I will see how the finale goes. This show has been very
up and down for me in certain regards. I'd say the ups have been
more on the positive though than the downs, so I'm happy about that to
a slight degree. I'm not affected by them changing all the threads and all
this and the lesbians and the forest babies. A version says, I'm not
bothered by that. I like it. I love the witch stuff. I
think it's great, and the fighting has been wonderful. The writing has been
questionable, but so far, I just need to see how this finale ends
and what will really do it for me. Like I already said, if
we get that zab Brac, which being the master of crime here, it's
gonna sting. I just want Plagas so freaking badly, do you though,
even in the show where you say you have lots of ups and downs when
you want it in a show where you're more confident in the in the team
because I do Plagas and then you get a very poor adaptation. Yes,
that's very true. You run that risk, and that is concerning. Ah,
But I mean do I do I not get him at all? There's
there's well, there's there's two options. Yeah, you never get Plagas.
Plagas only exists in the books. And then as mentioned in Revenge of the
Sith, that's it is that all that I would get of him when I
take that No, I want to see him and I want to I was
just in all those I want to see him on screen, and he could
be written terribly. It could be absolutely horrible, and that does frighten me.
But then you're not gonna get any different writers that You're gonna get the
writers that you have like and there's that's that's what you're gonna get. It's
the same way. My hope is like you do like, uh, you
know, maybe in the future there's another show that covers some of the things
that you know, we are hoping more that maybe Yeah, I know that's
I know that's a tough thing. It's a damn if you do, damn
if you don't, because it's like you get it, but is it the
way you really want it? I don't know. I don't know what's going
on over there, but my last question and I'll ask you something like controversial
and I wonder because I saw some comment and I don't think we'll get there
yet. I think it'll be a while and I didn't think we're gonna go
that route. But do you do you think it's possible. Let's say you
know who knows Evan's with ray movie these shows. Let's just say there continues
to be a down trend instance thing of like what do you do? How
do you get out of this? I'll put a little longer and maybe ask
Kirkle the same question because we'll ask him next week where he's at, because
I don't know. He's had a tough day at work, so he just
needed he works outside hot and you know there's some nucks and slid, nucks
and slid. That's why you listen to Patreon because you would understand that reference.
I go to Patreon, listen last month's episode. But so like you
were saying, you're more you have more ups and downs, I'm the reverse
where I got more downs and ups. I just wonder if the community continues
to go on, whatever the success for your non successful to do that.
Do you think it's possible in fifteen years And I'm not gonna say ever,
because I think it would happen. Ever, but in the next fifteen years,
they start anew and they start over and they just reboot the whole thing.
Yes, I think I think there is that that possibility. And who's
gonna put up a stink about it? Probably most of the most of the
people that were there for the original movies. I'm sorry, but you're gonna
be dead. That's how it is. We're gonna be dead. We we
are there for the prequel era, so we're there for the prequel era.
And then if they we're gonna be old like the the original trilogy folks are
now, and are we gonna be that that affected by it? Maybe?
I think you're gonna have the people that were young and there for the sequel
trilogy and everything that's going on now, they're gonna be the most affected by
it. Maybe they're the most okay with it, because I don't know if
those are the fans that are being very vocal right now or that like that
era that's with the sequel trilogy and everything right now Disney plus there are they
too young? Are they going and being vocal online? I don't know the
ones that are being vocal online right now. I feel like everyone that grew
up with the prequel trilogy and the ones that are still kicking around from the
original trilogy. I yeah, I agree. I don't feel like the young
and sequels are on Twitter too much fighting because like that's a tot and arrow,
because it's not like I'm not trying to be mean about this, but
it's not like sequel trilogy could be their Star Wars, but they didn't grow
They literally didn't grow up with it, right, Like I won't know that
how my kids are. So it's not like the originals and the prequels have
people that feel beholden to a certain type of film and type of Star Wars
right And for me, it's just a question of I'm just wondering if it's
like the better route to go, you know, I know we live in
a world of reboots and everything but in this world where they're in a box
and they can't make people happy everything. Of course they could reboot it and
people watch and be like, oh, this is shit. The original Star
Wars is better. But that's why it's like, oh we tell about remake,
It's like, well, then you have the originals, you know,
And I just wonder if we and I don't think it would be better because
I think there's things about this show. This is more about the cannon stuff.
I think there's things about the show that, no matter what, it
would not be written well, like lots of the may stuff, other things
I talked about this episode, but I wonder what the lower stuff if,
Like, would people care if they said, you know what, you know,
we've told all the stories. We feel we can here. We want
to kind of start a new because they, I don't know, they will
see how much they go in the future with the Ray movie and see if
they ever do the James of Main Gold movie. So that's why I said
fifteen. I'm still gonna say I think it depends with Kathy around. I
think as Kathy's around, not a shot. I think if Kathy's the runner,
they they won't reboot because she'll feel beholden to George. But when Kathy's
done around, and I don't even mean in a sense of in like past,
like in the job, and this is also going to be morbid when
George isn't around. That to me is another thing of what happens of do
those original movies that aren't his cuts get released? Do they feel that they
could do a new Star Wars with a new Haun and a new Lea and
Luke, or they'll rap up the scripts that they bought from him for the
original seven eight. Well, they'll use them. They'll use them, They'll
use them. Yeah, those are new, they'll start from there. George
wrote it. It can't be bad, but I just wonder if it's might
be the best route to go. And I'm that's why I said fifteen,
because I want to see nothing is I honest, see how these movies go.
But it's like, well, let's get a fucking movie first and ask
me then. So there's still things I want to see. And I would
also like to see a lucasfilm that's not run with Kathy Kennedy. I'd like
her to go retire and you know, enjoy her millions or billions, and
I have no problem with her as a person. Some producer things and yeah,
again I've had my issues with Filone. I stilln't think Filonie is a
guy, and I think unfortunately we're stuck with filoni And there's some certain things
that even this, there's rumors that he put his fingers into some pots here
and it's like, eh, I don't know what pots those were, but
yeah, I don't know. Maybe that's a bread and butter one time.
If Dylan can't make a bread of butter, or if we ever have a
longer newscast, maybe we should do something with kurricle in there and have a
bigger discussion, because I feel like it's worth I'm at the point, how
where it's worth looking at. Before I wasn't, but now I'm like,
you know what, I think I'd be fine if we did just completely start
over and you could do I don't know what you do. I don't know
if you would sim I remake this sequel the Originals. I don't know if
you just completely just go refreshing this is Star Wars. I don't know that
would be a fun conversation. But I feel like I'm more on that side
now. But again it also doesn't matter what I'm pitching, doesn't matter if
it's if the writing's like this, it doesn't matter how many times you reboot.
It's like look at I don't want to say it's like a disparaging way,
but like look at Amazing Spider Man. Right, people didn't love those
movies, so it didn't matter that they rebooted. People were not enjoying that
version. Then you got the Tom holmands right. So so again I'm just
going to say this just as my closing thoughts, but you have the Harry
Potter Show projected what twenty twenty six, Yeah, first Harry Potter. Yeah,
two years from now, you have the first Harry Potter twenty twenty one.
So if we Gory Potters twenty twenty one, so it's first so in
twenty twenty one or two thousand and one. But that's a young movie,
that is, Yeah, yeah, so that's what it's twenty five years,
twenty five years. This is the first film and now we're getting a reboot
basically, So I don't put it past them to do something. They tried
the sequels or the prequel stuff. They tried that route and it wasn't working,
and so what's what's the next step. Yeah, you redo it.
I think unfortunately, though, you'd have to go like twenty five years from
the last Connuity movie. And I think if they do the Ray movie that
starts at twenty five years up again, because that's in the future, that's
almost And I don't know if we haven't talked about this, there's been a
bunch of sequels that they're calling that episode ten. By the way, have
you seen that, sorry reword that the Ray movie that's coming to episode ten.
There's been rumors that's titled Episode ten. I hope it is. I'd
love that. I really really would. I don't know why I was Skywalker,
so I mean, Skywalkers are the main films, so let's let's make
it happen. At one point I was with, ye, now I need
to wait and see. But I think if you do a ten, then
it's twenty five years from whenever that movie happens. I think they'll always go
from not the original, because I would agree we've started over, so I
know, like I said, we will discuss that, we'll discuss the finale
and not really in predictions because like we didn't get much more to go off
than anything we talked about was the ocean may So we'll be back next week.
I imagine Kirkland should be on that episode with the finale. I'm sure
he'll find a way to make it there, but who knows. You know,
we've been trying to get a Twister's red backing on it. Yeah,
so we'll see, we'll get his thoughts about everything, and then we'll see
where the show's ranks and overall rating we'll get popping off the chat GPT.
So yes, no matter what, next week's gonna be fun. And at
the end of the day, we're talking about this stuff. Please don't pop
songs. That's not song fun. I don't need any more pop songs and
stuff. But either way, we're having a fun time here. It's nothing
too serious. It's just fictional stuff. It's not the end of the world.
If you fucking hate the show, then just stop watching or watch and
then just move on. You know that that's all you can do. It's
it's just a fictional show. It's not gonna it's not gonna hurt you.
So we will be back next week for the act like finale, and I
promise you it'll not be boring. May the Force be with you all ways.