1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:08,640 Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the act Lite reviews the 2 00:00:08,679 --> 00:00:14,759 penultimate episode, episode seven. I'm the clown Prince of Pop Songs trest now 3 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:20,719 and I'm joined by I Am the Truth Taylor Field The Truth. Oh all, 4 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,160 we got the truth today? Did we? I don't know. That's 5 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:27,399 what we're gonna talk about today, tonight, this afternoon, whenever you're listening 6 00:00:27,399 --> 00:00:30,559 to it, and we thank you very much for listening. We appreciate it. 7 00:00:31,359 --> 00:00:33,600 As usual, there's lots of a bunch of other things on the feed. 8 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:38,240 We just reviewed How's a Dragon this weekend, and then coming up as 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:44,079 the Boys Penultanate episode, there is a oh what did we review? Oh 10 00:00:44,119 --> 00:00:46,159 no, we didn't. We saw vaccine, but there's no review for that. 11 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:52,479 So, oh my god, my fucking laptop before it's beeping, But 12 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,759 it's not. Now I figured out it's just like because it overheats and it's 13 00:00:55,799 --> 00:00:59,079 like a ram issue, which should not be happening as I've had this MacBook 14 00:00:59,119 --> 00:01:06,000 twenty twenty four MacBook bro like less than a year. So have you got 15 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,000 to dust it? Maybe it's containing the heat inside or something like that. 16 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,319 I don't know. It doesn't make any sense to me. I don't know 17 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,840 where to dust it. People don't help them. Oh, I guess I 18 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:19,359 forgot the camera's on there, but my god, just frustrating your man over 19 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:26,799 here. So but yeah, we got long Legs happening this week. We'll 20 00:01:26,799 --> 00:01:29,280 try and review a couple of trailers here and there. So yeah, lots 21 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,840 of fun stuff popping off. And then later on to this week. For 22 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:37,519 the Patreons, you'll be getting early is the Logan retrospective and the Apocalypse retrospective, 23 00:01:37,719 --> 00:01:40,840 so look up for that as we build up towards Deadpool and Wolverine, 24 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,319 and yeah, everything you need to know is down below Patreon. I'll talk 25 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,280 about a bit about that later. And then most importantly too, what we 26 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:51,560 have coming up is just under a month here, August third Geek first day, 27 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:56,200 we're celebrating our nine year anniversary. We're gonna do an eight hour stream, 28 00:01:56,319 --> 00:02:00,599 but you can make that stream go longer. There's going to be I 29 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,799 swear there's gonna be a wrestling match. The lawyers are. I put out 30 00:02:02,799 --> 00:02:06,799 the first episode down Fall taylor Field, but there's more to come. Stay 31 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,879 tuned. But so that's happening. So we got four events wrestling matches happening 32 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:15,319 the fourth one hopefully year we have Golden Geeks. The twenty twelve edition, 33 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:16,840 it's gonna be our Oscars, but for the year of twenty twelve, that's 34 00:02:16,879 --> 00:02:22,199 vote by the patrons. We have oh, what's the other one? Trivia, 35 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:23,960 It's gonna be Dylan to myself. In a couple of weeks we will 36 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,319 decide that teams will do some random spin wheels, but we're hosting teams with 37 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,719 trivia, and Tay's gonna host the trivia, so that'll be fun. And 38 00:02:30,719 --> 00:02:35,360 then finally geek versus, which is a deadliest word of fictional characters. The 39 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,479 patrons that go around are putting them in and there's some there's some wild ones. 40 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:44,960 Y'all got all the way from gok Gok Gokuko to John Cena to some 41 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,080 other people, so look out for that. That's where we just randomize and 42 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:51,560 put together in debate, k who would win in said fight? 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So if you want us to go through all the names, 49 00:03:08,719 --> 00:03:13,120 you're gonna want to get on Patreon because not only is it, you 50 00:03:13,159 --> 00:03:15,800 know, going to extend the stream, there's lots of benefits which we'll talk 51 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,639 about later, but here we are to talk about, as I said, 52 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,560 the penultimate episode of The Acolyte, which put the and the title. So 53 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:28,120 I'll do that. But Taylor Field, what are your thoughts on this episode? 54 00:03:28,159 --> 00:03:30,800 Lots of build up obstly on spoilers, lots of build up to this 55 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,199 episode and maybe getting some answers even I saw on the Twitter day stars like 56 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,000 oh, the truth will be revealed so and your name is the truth. 57 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:46,479 So how do you feel about said revelations? I'm I think that I can 58 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:53,000 appreciate it being I don't know if underwhelming is the right word, but it's 59 00:03:53,039 --> 00:03:58,479 not any appreciated being underwhelming. That's in a good way because I feel like 60 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,280 it's this it's the last Jedi thing maybe where everyone's building up to the hype 61 00:04:01,319 --> 00:04:04,080 like, oh, who's Ray related to of course we're not talking about Rise 62 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:09,039 of Skywalk. It's a different thing. But in Last Jedi, it's just 63 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,400 it was an underwhelming kind of like or not underdelivered, That's what I mean 64 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,759 to say. It underdelivered on people's expectations, like this is what everyone's thinking 65 00:04:15,759 --> 00:04:17,360 and speculator, but no, it's just this is what it is. And 66 00:04:17,399 --> 00:04:24,800 I feel like what the truth really was. Everyone was diving into these possibilities 67 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,680 and these rumors and conspiracies and thinking, oh, maybe it was this, 68 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,720 this, this what really happened here. But really, to me, it 69 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:35,800 felt like things were pretty simple. And I hate how this episode ended, 70 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,839 I really really do, but I don't have much of a problem with how 71 00:04:40,959 --> 00:04:44,399 shit just hit the fan basically, and I kind of like it it. 72 00:04:45,519 --> 00:04:49,920 I think that there's a lot of folly here again with what these the Jedi 73 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,480 has on their hands here, what they were dealing with, and I'm kind 74 00:04:54,480 --> 00:05:00,079 of glad to see things explained in this light. I do question some things 75 00:05:00,079 --> 00:05:04,959 and some motivations, because I do think the way that certain characters were controlling 76 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:12,079 themselves was unfortunate considering where they are in their in their life and at this 77 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:18,480 present time. But I think that it's beyond that. It's certain key dialogue 78 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:23,600 moments that are mentioned here that really really got me excited, and I've i 79 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,439 didn't see maybe I've overlooked it, but I didn't see much of a connection 80 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,720 here because I have redived into the Darth Plagis book and I'm just doing like 81 00:05:30,759 --> 00:05:34,480 the first half of the book just that really focuses on probably what could be 82 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,920 like the early the end part of this show, kind of just that time 83 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,079 period and just to kind of see what the references are, because it seems 84 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,600 like more and more, especially after last week's episode, that seems to be 85 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:51,240 like a possible source reference of inspiration. Not can in fact or anything like 86 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:58,160 that, but inspiration. There's other dialogue and phrases that they dropped in here 87 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,519 that were pulled from other Star Wars mediums, which I'm excited to talk about 88 00:06:00,519 --> 00:06:03,360 it. I'm excited to get your thoughts on one thing in particular, but 89 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:09,000 overall, I'm not giving this episode like a high amount of praise over other 90 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,720 ones. I would definitely go to other ones first. I wish this one 91 00:06:11,759 --> 00:06:15,839 came sooner. I don't feel like this was a great penultimate episode in my 92 00:06:15,959 --> 00:06:19,399 personal opinion, I've been I'm kind of craving more what's going on in other 93 00:06:19,519 --> 00:06:25,759 storylines. But that being said, I look forward to the finale, I 94 00:06:25,879 --> 00:06:28,480 really really do. I hope it's not a short one. I hope it's 95 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,800 a long one, the exact same length as this episode. I think it's 96 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,879 like forty three minutes instead of get on board with that. Of course that's 97 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:38,519 credits, but I could get on board like yeah, but like I just 98 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,680 it's better than like some of the twenty to thirty minute ones. So yeah, 99 00:06:42,759 --> 00:06:46,920 I just feel we talked about this in the discord about how Leslie Headleonard 100 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,000 some writer. I don't know for sure. I don't want to miss quote 101 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,439 because it was weeks ago as Mike telling us that they said, like, 102 00:06:50,439 --> 00:06:55,519 they have plans for there's seasons, but they feel like this tells one the 103 00:06:55,560 --> 00:07:00,399 same story. I simply can't see that with the pieces of what we have 104 00:07:00,519 --> 00:07:02,240 right now to feel like you could watch season one and be like, well, 105 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,439 that's the whole story there, do you like? Obviously we haven't seen 106 00:07:05,439 --> 00:07:08,319 next week, so maybe this, but do you think they can do that 107 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,040 in about I'll say thirty six minutes. I'm not I didn't time at this 108 00:07:12,199 --> 00:07:15,399 time, but like it's forty four minutes, forty three there's credit as the 109 00:07:15,439 --> 00:07:17,839 beginning. Let's say it's like thirty six minutes. Do you think they can 110 00:07:17,879 --> 00:07:20,040 wrap it all up where you feel, oh, I could watch like, 111 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,519 let's say you never get a season two. Do you think they can actively 112 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,600 do that next week? Because I certainly can't with because this week was all 113 00:07:26,639 --> 00:07:30,199 explaining stuff in the past. There's still lots of stuff in the present that 114 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:34,959 hasn't even been really like, I don't think we're near a ending point everything 115 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,639 with everything with the past, I think is yeah, this this episode, 116 00:07:40,519 --> 00:07:44,360 well yeah, we're wrapped up everything in the present. I feel like, 117 00:07:44,639 --> 00:07:47,279 well, uh, nope, let me retract that there are things this is 118 00:07:47,279 --> 00:07:50,759 not a spoiler. There are things that they need to showcase with May that 119 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:56,279 we are unfamiliar with. Between the years from where she was a kid to 120 00:07:56,319 --> 00:08:01,079 where she is now, we don't know or leave anything happened and transpired there, 121 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,800 aside from Chime here coming in and dropping a Cis saber down and just 122 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:09,680 you know, doing whatever he's doing, that's a whole other can of worms. 123 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,480 I feel like we need a full thirty minute backstory episode on kyme here 124 00:08:13,759 --> 00:08:18,920 just to get into his kind of thing. The show is called Acolyte after 125 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:22,120 all, but of course to see the accollate who that's up for debate. 126 00:08:22,439 --> 00:08:24,920 There are definitely things that they need to expand on, and to do it 127 00:08:24,959 --> 00:08:28,000 all in the one episode that remains. I don't think that they could do 128 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:33,759 it again. I think this episode gave way too much time focusing on the 129 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,000 narrative they chose to focus on. I think that they should have changed things 130 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:41,960 up. I think last week's episode is still one of my top ones of 131 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,919 this season, and it was. It was just great. It was a 132 00:08:45,039 --> 00:08:48,720 cooler off episode with just the dialogue and what we were learning. But here 133 00:08:48,759 --> 00:08:52,080 we are now, and we have a lot that You're right, we have 134 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,279 a lot that we have to condense it to this finale. So I've decided 135 00:08:56,399 --> 00:08:58,919 which island I'm standing on for things I want to see and want to be 136 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,600 experiencing in this storyline, and I'm hoping that I get some of it. 137 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,000 I will not be happy if we don't. It'll be upsetting. This episode 138 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,919 ended, and like I said, in a way that it didn't leave me 139 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,840 very happy. It's like, ah, well, that's kind of unfortunate. 140 00:09:15,919 --> 00:09:20,039 I feel like they prolonged the narrative to fill that cusp of forty minutes of 141 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:24,639 an episode, which is unfortunate. And like you said, the song choice 142 00:09:24,799 --> 00:09:28,320 was absolutely terrible. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be a downer, 143 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,879 but man, it pulled me out. Oh my god. Yeah, it 144 00:09:31,919 --> 00:09:37,399 was a debate because I saw you and then Chris agreed, and there's a 145 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,919 couple of other people in our discord and stuff and other people I've seen and 146 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,759 that's where And it's because we're talking about the jew A and Brent and Katie 147 00:09:43,799 --> 00:09:46,879 were giving a show like, oh, it's just a song. Song. 148 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,000 I get that the song does not make or break the show. What's making 149 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,480 breaking show is the very poor writing that's happening in the show continually. In 150 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,759 my opinion, No, it's saying it's the worst thing ever. I'm I 151 00:09:58,759 --> 00:10:01,120 think there is still worse Wars, but I think it's just again they're so 152 00:10:01,399 --> 00:10:05,759 the writing is just so all over the place, and the characters are all 153 00:10:05,759 --> 00:10:09,240 over the place. Maybe I can't say it's the worst because I feel like 154 00:10:09,279 --> 00:10:11,720 there's better moments are acting in this show than I'd say, like a Boba 155 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:16,600 Fett and even Mando three, but I think that it's maybe the messiest show, 156 00:10:16,639 --> 00:10:20,440 even Boba Fet where there's stuff I don't like. I feel like it's 157 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,080 a pretty succinct from point A to point B of I don't love what they 158 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,000 did with the Boffett character, but that's the story they went with, and 159 00:10:26,039 --> 00:10:28,480 I don't think they wrote it the best where I feel like almost all the 160 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:33,679 characters here and even some stuff that is like lower force, like I I'm 161 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,919 not that for se it's breaking it. But at the same time going like 162 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,720 it just doesn't feel cassin casing. What the fuck does that anything? I 163 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:46,240 don't know. Cohesive no, and I you're just throwing stuff out. But 164 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,919 sure those two words work, but yeah, the song could just like it 165 00:10:50,039 --> 00:10:52,720 just sucks for the sake of it sucks, you know, Like for me, 166 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,720 I've always said this before. It it's the best way you can describe 167 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:01,080 it. Media like this is most like food, and that's where people can 168 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,879 go, oh, well, you know, just skip the in credit, 169 00:11:03,879 --> 00:11:05,679 Oh you do this. It's like it doesn't matter. I can have a 170 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,399 pizza and no matter how great or good it is, if there's an all 171 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,360 over, there's a mushroom. That pizza's ruined. I'm not gonna eat that. 172 00:11:11,399 --> 00:11:13,720 You could pick it off. But guess what, whenever you pick that 173 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,159 stuff off, you always tastes like the remnants of that food, right, 174 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,360 Like you can go like, oh, there was a there's a piece of 175 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:22,120 pepper on here, you know, for myself, So that'st thing for me. 176 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,279 It did take me completely out. I've said this before. I don't 177 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,000 like there's minor ones. This is a more minor one because it depends how 178 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,080 it goes. But a minor one is I don't like them messling with Georgia's 179 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,480 stuff, not on the way where I gotta protect Georgia Star Wars, just 180 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,080 like, no, those are his movies. Go do something in the future, 181 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,559 Go do something very far back like certing to change his stuff. I'm 182 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,759 a fan, but the things that are a bigger hangout for me is taking 183 00:11:45,799 --> 00:11:46,879 me out of the universe. And I guess it's kind of a combo. 184 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,279 And just like I've talked about these before, actors that are very big, 185 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,480 I'm not a fan that it's the same way of like a House of Dragon 186 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,879 and I guess you could have that with Matt Smith that I didn't. Gosh 187 00:11:56,919 --> 00:12:00,519 what, I didn't watch Doctor Who, so I think and I think a 188 00:12:00,519 --> 00:12:03,519 lot of people still don't. I know, there's tons of fans that do 189 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,679 right, but I feel like he's still not super He's not a super well 190 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,519 knowname like a Jack Black wasn't Mandalorian? Right, you're seeing as Morbus character, 191 00:12:09,759 --> 00:12:13,240 Well, well, no, that's that happen first, remember you No 192 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,440 Morvi's happened first. I guess see I didn't see that dance or anything. 193 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,039 But and same thing as I'm rewatching Game of Thrones. It's like they're so 194 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,200 when I podcastic go what they do, what they're doing, and unfortunately the 195 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,320 actors like they're doing stuff but they're not big. But like that kind of 196 00:12:24,399 --> 00:12:28,440 still works because it's like, well, because they're perfect for this role. 197 00:12:28,519 --> 00:12:31,600 So for me, the way Jack Black or Lizzo takes me right out of 198 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,120 it, I'm fine with the voice cameos that I can roll with. But 199 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,240 same thing with this music choice for me, and this is like spoilers if 200 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,600 he didn't watch it. They use a pop song and it's I don't know, 201 00:12:41,639 --> 00:12:45,559 the first time they've done something, and it's like a modern day pop 202 00:12:45,639 --> 00:12:48,639 song on you know, like it's just like I have no think piece. 203 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,399 I have know Oh this breaks stars, this does that, Oh it's this 204 00:12:50,519 --> 00:12:54,600 reason it's something new for me. It just sucks. It's just like it's 205 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,200 lame and I don't even tumble the song. It doesn't matter what it could 206 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,960 have been. It could have been ACDC. They could have Risen David Bowie 207 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,120 back from the Dad, my favorite singer, and he could be singing like 208 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,840 I don't know if this should be here, And it's just something where I 209 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:09,440 think in general that again I don't even know if I'm gonna fail this show. 210 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,080 I think I'm more leading this way as things go on, because it's 211 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,440 not even that it's bad, it's just messy. And the thing where it's 212 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,080 just like this shouldn't be there might be my whole review of the Accolyte entirely 213 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:26,080 where it's just I don't know. This episode it made me finally go if 214 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,039 there's a season two. There's things I joy about this, so I would 215 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,000 give it a go. Let's see the finale. But it's also a thing 216 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,120 that if they come out in a week or a month whenever, and we 217 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:37,480 get some variety poor like, oh, they're not gonna go forward with it. 218 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,120 I go okay, and I'd move along, you know, like and 219 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:43,600 Unfortunate. I'm kind of that way with all the Star Wars shows right now, 220 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,080 like other than and or, which and Or. I think you could 221 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,320 even argue, like season one, he gets recruited to go do some stuff. 222 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,039 You could just say, well, then he goes to Rogue one, 223 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,879 right, you don't even essentially need season two, But like Mandalorian, they're 224 00:13:54,919 --> 00:13:56,320 doing the movie, so I don't really need another season. Both that I 225 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,960 don't Ahsoka. I could say that Ahsoka want to be like, oh, 226 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,080 well, that's disappointing because I did enjoy ah Soca. I think I enjoyed 227 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,480 it less as I thought about more, but I still want more of that 228 00:14:05,519 --> 00:14:07,240 show. So that's one where i'd go, oh, that's disappointing. But 229 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:11,320 most of the shows I'm like eh, and this one especially, I don't 230 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,960 feel even next week, when I don't get all the answers, I'm gonna 231 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,639 be like one, I will critique them because they said, well, it's 232 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:18,960 gonna be a full season. I don't think it's going to be. I 233 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,000 think it's going to end in a very maybe it's not a phone cliff here 234 00:14:22,039 --> 00:14:28,200 I been a way where we feel unanswered on a lot of things. And 235 00:14:28,279 --> 00:14:33,000 the kind of round up about that is we waited weeks for this episode, 236 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,519 right, so much of hinting about what it'd Soul do and everything, And 237 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:39,840 I'm not gonna say the spoils. We'll obviously take a break and we'll go 238 00:14:39,919 --> 00:14:43,440 into spoilers. But I feel I completely agree with you and I share that 239 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,159 sending a lot of other people do that this should have came much earlier, 240 00:14:46,639 --> 00:14:48,519 and I don't think it needs to be a full episode either. Loss of 241 00:14:48,519 --> 00:14:52,919 this episode is just replaced of seized or episode it was three, right when 242 00:14:52,919 --> 00:14:56,840 we get the flashback, I think, right, I think it was three. 243 00:14:56,919 --> 00:14:58,519 Yeah, yeah, it's just that, but from a certain point of 244 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,320 view, and it's the same scenes, but this time it might be like 245 00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:05,399 Soul from a tree watching and then there's something on his backstory, right yeah, 246 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:11,360 So I just feel what was the context or so the content of the 247 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:16,399 episode did not warrant this when again we get many episodes that are very small. 248 00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:20,240 The season's about to be done, so that's one two Again, it's 249 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,360 like the May stuff. There's a bunch of weird writing all over the thing. 250 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,360 Characters are just making choices for the sake of them. Fucking Torven Man, 251 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,320 I can't even talk about him. One of the worst apprentices ever, 252 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:31,879 as far as it's just like some of the stuff just doesn't make sense, 253 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:37,639 and their reasoning forgetting to wear from point A to point B it's or maybe 254 00:15:37,639 --> 00:15:39,600 it's this they get from point A to point C, but B is missing, 255 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,960 and he goes, well, what's happening here? And I think I 256 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,120 agree with you too, where you said like, oh, the reveal is 257 00:15:45,159 --> 00:15:48,360 nothing surprising, but I think that thing where Last Jedi, whatever you want 258 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,679 to say about it, I think lots of those reveals obviously did not make 259 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,759 a lot of fans happy, right, Ray being nobody, Luke maybe striking 260 00:15:56,799 --> 00:16:00,399 down his nephew, get it out, And those are choices that I all 261 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,000 fine with, right, But I could get that, And I still think 262 00:16:03,039 --> 00:16:06,759 to a point of view in a Star Wars way, that it's at least 263 00:16:06,799 --> 00:16:11,480 better ridden. Or it's like Ray being nobody was a surprise at that time, 264 00:16:11,559 --> 00:16:15,120 right where this is one is not well ridden, So it's it's it's 265 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,919 in the sense of I feel like in Last Jed, I they're making full 266 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,360 on character choices that that's what divides people. Right. It could be in 267 00:16:21,399 --> 00:16:23,440 a good movie, well shot, well acted, but I really don't like 268 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,279 that Luke does this, or I really don't like that raise this. I 269 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,519 feel like we're missing all those factors of like the show doesn't look good. 270 00:16:30,519 --> 00:16:33,399 There's a point where they get in the speeder bike and man looking real rough. 271 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,279 They should have just cut all that and just showed them like fast travel. 272 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,279 But it's just not written wells either. So it's like I can't even 273 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:44,159 be I'm underwhelmed by the reveal, and how we get to the reveal is 274 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,480 not satisfying at all either. Again, I think the guy that plays Soul, 275 00:16:47,559 --> 00:16:51,519 he's doing great job acting wise. I think Carrie Mussels in step somewhere 276 00:16:51,519 --> 00:16:52,879 it is a flashbacks and I'm exploiting. You know, she's good. But 277 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:59,480 there's just other moments too where the Jedi to me are not from how close 278 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:03,720 slayered a a menace. They All I can say is it's the same thing 279 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,519 as the song. They just don't feel like Jedi for me. There's one 280 00:17:07,559 --> 00:17:11,359 scene in particular where a bunch of Jedi are all very emotional and it feels 281 00:17:11,559 --> 00:17:15,200 very odd for one to be a Knight, one to be a master, 282 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:19,160 and I don't even know what's uh is is a wookie a master? Is 283 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:23,319 the Knight? What is he at this point? I don't know. I 284 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,119 don't know. Yeah, I don't know, but I feel like he's at 285 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:30,400 least trained enough that the Wokie maybe not so much because he goes through some 286 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,079 things, but they just it just doesn't feel And that's I'm not trying because 287 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,319 I hate that cliche, right because I think they're that it's not my Star 288 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,400 Wars. For me, I can say right now, this does not feel 289 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,680 like my Stars, or I can say it's not Star Wars I enjoy. 290 00:17:45,039 --> 00:17:48,680 As I've said before, I will put this into the what if category this 291 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,079 didn't happen. It's not in the one to nine even if you want to 292 00:17:52,079 --> 00:17:55,400 do one to six, I can bar like spaces out because for me, 293 00:17:55,759 --> 00:17:57,000 it does so many things where I'm just like, ah, this just doesn't 294 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,680 feel like Star Wars. It feels like that fan film stuff. There's just 295 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,640 logic jumps, there's scriptwriting jumps and stuff like oh, let's put pops on 296 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,640 here. That's things where it's like I just can't jive with this, Like 297 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:12,079 this is not stuff that I am looking for in Star Wars, And according 298 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,119 to the ratings it seems like not a lot of people are either now because 299 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,039 it was at first it was like, oh, the first few weeks, 300 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:21,079 it's like, oh, it's looking good. But now the Nielsen and it's 301 00:18:21,079 --> 00:18:23,039 tough with streaming, right because you never know, it's a lot harder. 302 00:18:23,039 --> 00:18:26,079 But Nilsen, who does Tevie ratings, they went and found that, Okay, 303 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:30,200 it's the second least watched mornand Or, and I think I can understand 304 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,920 that, and I will go back again when we got in those weeks ago 305 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,519 about you know, the lesbian witches and the forest babies, and yet da 306 00:18:37,599 --> 00:18:41,559 da da da this being whoa what's this? Yeah, I don't even I 307 00:18:41,599 --> 00:18:45,960 will still go by that. Of course, there's probably an audience that don't 308 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:48,000 like them. They don't tune their Star Wars, so they tune out. 309 00:18:48,319 --> 00:18:51,519 I still think what comes down to it is the characters and the story. 310 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:56,480 I think people tune out because there's nothing to latch onto. I think for 311 00:18:56,519 --> 00:19:00,440 the most part with this show overall, there might be little, but I 312 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,720 mean, like a core I have to be back every week to see this 313 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,160 and I think this show. This episode really just showed that, not that 314 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:14,240 the show is a waste of time, but it really is kind of deflating 315 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,079 as far as this is what we're building up to and this is what we 316 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:22,480 got this. I think this episode was the definition of Acolyte the whole few 317 00:19:22,519 --> 00:19:23,839 years because I even tried to talk Kirkland down because he was more in that 318 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,839 band. We were like, oh, wait, so long for this show, 319 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:27,839 and and it's all right, and it's like, oh, let's see. 320 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:33,720 And I think this episode is the perfect just assemblance to show this is 321 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,880 the story of the Acolyte. And unfortunately, yeah, it's we'll see what 322 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,240 happens with the finale because at least it's present day stuff, so I think 323 00:19:41,279 --> 00:19:47,480 it'll be a bit more exciting. But h yeah, I don't have faith 324 00:19:47,519 --> 00:19:49,240 in this and I'm really curious to see what's gonna happen if it gets a 325 00:19:49,279 --> 00:19:53,279 season two or not. And I'm just telling people to really maybe prepare themselves 326 00:19:53,319 --> 00:19:56,319 because I just don't know even then. Too. It's like this thing being 327 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,519 one hundred and eighty million dollars, It's like, is this is this worth 328 00:20:00,559 --> 00:20:03,319 that you know? Is this word? Is this getting people is this is 329 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:04,920 like? Is the quality like? And or I can make a pitch to 330 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,920 why it's worth it, but this I don't know. Man. I feel 331 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,559 like you just better to go spend one hundred and eighty on a movie and 332 00:20:11,599 --> 00:20:15,480 just see what happens and maybe you'll get some success there. And I really 333 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,319 don't know. So we're gonna get into spoilers unless say you got anything non 334 00:20:18,319 --> 00:20:22,079 spoilers to say, all right, well we're gonna get into spoilers. So 335 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,759 everybody come back after they ad break and we got lost break down, so 336 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:30,400 we'll be right back and we are back. And as I saw about earlier, 337 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,680 we're with geek for saying the description down below. If you just heard 338 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,480 those ads, go, I don't want those. I don't need to hear 339 00:20:36,519 --> 00:20:38,240 those. Well, headle to Patreon because one of the things is that you 340 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:42,559 can get ad free episodes on every single episode, get episodes early depending on 341 00:20:42,599 --> 00:20:48,440 the tear outs, our retrospectives, maybe other exclusive episodes, newscasts, et 342 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,079 cetera, reviews, and then there are two to three exclusive episodes every month. 343 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,079 You can call on After nine, which we haven't released a date yet. 344 00:20:55,079 --> 00:20:56,279 That's our after nine call and show. We just have to wait because 345 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,599 lots of us are out of town, so if not, we might end 346 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,160 up doing like a double in August. We'll see, uh, but yeah, 347 00:21:03,279 --> 00:21:04,599 just go there. That's the best way to support us. You can 348 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,920 join the Patreon producer here, which I will shot, which God loves Me 349 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,799 sixty nine. Ten was not happy because I guess I tell you to Adam, 350 00:21:11,839 --> 00:21:15,599 but thinking of pers Aaron Braiden, April Darkness, Jack Grant, MUDs 351 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,839 Sam and God loves Me sixty nine. There you go, sir, I 352 00:21:18,839 --> 00:21:25,359 hope you heard that. Nine. Yeah, so I don't I really don't 353 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:33,319 know where to start with. I No, I'm gonna pick because I want 354 00:21:33,319 --> 00:21:36,279 to rant. I don't even know a rant. I just have to continue 355 00:21:36,319 --> 00:21:42,680 on that. Torbin sucks. I the fact that this whole thing like this 356 00:21:42,759 --> 00:21:48,160 is I just this is why we need either better writing because x H ninety 357 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,680 seven has short episodes and they have that, or you need longer episodes. 358 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,400 This whole thing, this whole thing between the Witches and May and Ocean the 359 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:03,400 Jedi, this whole situation goes down because Torvin just really wants to get back 360 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,599 to Chruso wants to go home, and I just again, this is my 361 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:12,319 problem of what I have experienced with Star Wars in my life, and everyone 362 00:22:12,319 --> 00:22:15,400 has different experiences, so that's great, but you can't tell me any otherwise 363 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,799 because it's my opinion and what i've you know, taken from Star Wars, 364 00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:23,200 what I've read about Star Wars, right, I don't know how this guy 365 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:29,200 if Osha Osha can't be a Jedi later on, how does this guy and 366 00:22:29,279 --> 00:22:32,839 Anakin was different because Anakin, I'm not trying to be like those fans, 367 00:22:32,839 --> 00:22:37,839 but at least there was this semblance of one who's super powerful and two the 368 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,000 idea was he could be the chosen one. Right, So I feel like 369 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:45,000 when I give them shit of like why didn't Yo to say anything to Anakin 370 00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:48,319 after he does like the sand people thing? Right? For me, it's 371 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,240 like, well, and I think there are plot not necessarily, I think 372 00:22:52,279 --> 00:22:55,599 there are not plot holes. It's just arrogances of the Jedi. Well, 373 00:22:55,799 --> 00:22:57,200 you guys should have talked to him like right away, sat him down, 374 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,200 like we need to go over an hr anger management course, like this can 375 00:23:00,319 --> 00:23:03,240 happen again. We need to make sure you're not fucking pad like all the 376 00:23:03,279 --> 00:23:07,599 stuff, right, And that's the thing they mishandle it. But for me, 377 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,839 it's like he's the chosen one. So that's why in that series he 378 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,079 gets like a little a little like loose leash at times because it's like, 379 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,960 well, he could be the answer to everything the prophecy. Right, Torbin 380 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:25,240 kills all these people indirectly some of them, right, but still just because 381 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,079 this is the mission, this is the key we can get back to course 382 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:33,640 on when it looked like weren't they already gonna be on their way to course 383 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,519 because they and we get the point of view right in this they're supposed to 384 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,960 leave the witches and leave the Covenant, just keep exploring the planet. That's 385 00:23:41,079 --> 00:23:44,839 okay to do so, I guess. But then why does he think automatically 386 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,960 these twins are gonna get him back to course? Their virgins like an again, 387 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,039 which I'm sure people are gonna be even more mad, or at least 388 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,039 the planet is a virgins, that's what they said, not technically them the 389 00:23:55,079 --> 00:24:00,880 planet, but it's just this thing of I could and by with what I 390 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:06,519 have with Torben so far and everything of that that that jump just to this 391 00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:10,359 episode put down Okay, he's really homesick, and later on to reveal he's 392 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,799 a master, and a master that just sits around and does nothing and then 393 00:24:12,839 --> 00:24:15,759 he kills himself. So like, I guess they gave me a reason why 394 00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:21,839 he would feel so uh, you know, hurt, because okay, he 395 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,359 did directly lead to those deaths, but I just felt that was one of 396 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,119 the weakest reasons I've seen in Star Wars or just kind of in some of 397 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,960 the reviews we do as a late as far as because he wants to go 398 00:24:33,079 --> 00:24:37,440 home and he's gonna and I just don't even feel like I get there's a 399 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,839 way to train up, but I feel like that should provoke everything to become 400 00:24:40,839 --> 00:24:45,319 a Knight and a master. It's just that that was a puzzle piece that 401 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,480 did not fit for me, and I hate that that was the inciting incident 402 00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:52,400 that this guy, this pad was just homesick, you know. Yeah, 403 00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:59,359 well he's like et. But the Star Wars version's go home Expired Milk. 404 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:00,480 What a name I want to be thinking about, Expire Milk. That's like 405 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,720 the act Larry Now. It reminds me of how in real life you'll get 406 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,519 a swat team or something barge in the house, kill bunch of people. 407 00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:10,079 But that's the wrong house. The reason for the mistake and is impatience. 408 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,519 And I do get that, I understand. I wish it was more. 409 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,200 I wish that they maybe would have swat swapped places was sold because I'm gonna 410 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,480 say these two things. Then you can go tear top of all this because 411 00:25:21,559 --> 00:25:25,759 they really triumphstance that sold in some bad stuff. Right. He kills mother 412 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,240 Anissa because he think because he thinks she's about to attack. Of course I 413 00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:33,359 agree with him, like he didn't know. That's fine. But what I 414 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:38,079 hate is then immediately she goes, I was gonna help you. You knowed 415 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:45,599 you lead with that, like that's the writing of this show of just like 416 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,480 it feels like a parody. I was gonna help you. Like it, 417 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:53,960 it's like, but I wish they gave him the same way expire milks about 418 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,640 the impatience for me, the homesick one. I just that to me was 419 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:02,319 not a satisfying reason for this all to start. I would have liked if 420 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,519 he did that because as a rookie padawan, he jumped the stick. Because 421 00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:10,200 later on they give soul the reason already feel guilty. Right, he chooses 422 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,359 between the twins. He lets when the girls die so I don't think you 423 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:17,480 needed another reason for Soul to feel shitty. I wish they swapt places and 424 00:26:17,599 --> 00:26:19,720 that I would buy if they went there. Let's say they're gonna whatever, 425 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,680 they're like, give another reason, don't do the speed chase, don't do 426 00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:26,279 this. We're having to run to the twins, like, just make it, 427 00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:29,440 they're gonna take Osha whatever. Right, We'll find some reason, right, 428 00:26:29,519 --> 00:26:32,559 a reason. And if he jumps the gun, then I believe that. 429 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,160 But the fact that he would just not even talk with you just he 430 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,480 he runs to his fucking speed bike and just comes like we could go back 431 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:44,759 to Gorzon and like it just it feels so like Clone Wars Cartoony when we 432 00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:48,000 get those kiddy episodes when it's written for Hey, we gotta write this for 433 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,119 like very young children, you know. So, uh yeah, what are 434 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,400 your thoughts on? Torbin also got some stuff with Soul. I have some 435 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,240 more complaints with the Soul twin thing as well, because I think it's just 436 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,200 again some poor writing. I think Souls a capable Jedi, but he decides 437 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,039 to stop the catwalks instead of why don't you just lit the girls? The 438 00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:11,640 girls are probably much you could have just walked back like they could have walked. 439 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,880 And don't you think he could have just lifted the girls, who are 440 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,519 probably much lighter than the catwalks, like hold them and bring them over. 441 00:27:21,839 --> 00:27:26,200 That might be a little bit more difficult. I mean, because he could 442 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,119 have been holding there could have been like some supports under the catwalks that were 443 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,920 holding it up like he was holding the supports. I don't know, but 444 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,039 you think those those way more than oh do you think those way more then 445 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,440 the you think the girl's way more than the metal supports the beams that would 446 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,480 be You don't see many Jedi force holding a person and lifting them in the 447 00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:48,359 air and moving them. And I think that might be because it's just kind 448 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,160 of difficult. I think I think it maybe it's easier just to do an 449 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,119 object. I'm not I'm not Jedi. I don't know if if you know 450 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,000 this stuff dropping in the chat, I'll excuse that. That's just a little 451 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,680 and that's one where that's a little bit nitpick. That's fine, I can 452 00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:04,680 let it go. I'll excuse that because I do I like the choice where 453 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:11,160 Okay, he chooses between the twins. That makes him feel kind of at 454 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,440 fault, right, because he actively did not save me. So, all 455 00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:22,880 right, what are your thoughts now? Thoughts on torbin Ah. I didn't 456 00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:26,400 like him rushing off. I thought that that, Yeah, it was kind 457 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:32,240 of cheesy, and I think him having a fit around the fire was a 458 00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:34,559 little out of place. But I could get over it because he's just kind 459 00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:37,559 of venting. He's exhausted, he's been there, he's having the same food 460 00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:41,279 again, and he's still very adolescent. I think now you have the scene 461 00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:47,960 where mother Anissa is there and they're basically doing the whole They're they're having their 462 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,160 first meeting with them talking and she gets into his head and she's like like 463 00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:55,960 pulling and wearing him down and beating against his head because he's not fortified as 464 00:28:56,039 --> 00:28:57,759 mind, and he finally says, like, I want to go back to 465 00:28:57,799 --> 00:29:02,240 Korso. I love that. That was awesome. That was really good. 466 00:29:02,319 --> 00:29:04,960 That some good witch stuff. Again, I hate that we've confirmed lost her 467 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,960 because I think she's a good actress and I was kind of hoping if any 468 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,160 of the witches going back to be her, and I don't think it's I 469 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,240 think we're getting the one that for me, is a little lesser of the 470 00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:18,039 acting of the two, but we'll talk about that lay Yeah. So now 471 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:25,079 yeah, So now here we are and he has this this speeder bike chase 472 00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:26,920 scene where Soul goes after him, but Soul's not stopping him. So it's 473 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,640 like, let's Torbin, let's fucking go. He probably was forced controlling Torben, 474 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,359 like Torbin lead the way and let's go in the fact that like he 475 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,240 like he meets it's not like Torbin gets in there and starts like he meets 476 00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:41,240 up with him and just still just they don't stop him. You know, 477 00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:45,160 I made it, Torben, let's go together. Yeah, so yeah, 478 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,079 they go in and yeah, he's just I don't like how he's just that 479 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,519 desperate to get back to course on at this point. The only thing I 480 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:59,440 contribute to it is that he is compromised because I need to really wear down 481 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,440 his mind. He just he doesn't have that resilience. But of course now 482 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,240 he's like, oh well now I fortified my mind and kil Knaka hasn't Knaka, 483 00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:10,000 which scared the fuck out of me. I was terrified. I thought 484 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,680 that was great, and that was the witch stuff. I loved all the 485 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,519 witch stuff, and it just felt like I was watching like live action Mother 486 00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:19,400 tals and just pop off on data miror do some crazy shit. When they 487 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:25,200 were like, yeah, turning into like force smoke. Oh that was so 488 00:30:25,319 --> 00:30:29,839 cool, And yeah, I totally agree with That's not how you lead it. 489 00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:34,880 You know, if you know Tap like you, that's exactly it. 490 00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:40,200 You know, grand Turino, when U Clint Eastwood like he puts his hand 491 00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:42,880 in his jacket and then he pulls out like his fake gun and then he 492 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,720 does like the fake shooting, Well that's purpose. So that is on purpose. 493 00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:49,359 Well, clearly she did this on purpose, So who the fuck knows 494 00:30:49,359 --> 00:30:55,400 why? But the result that Clintice would want Grantorino, that's what he wanted, 495 00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:57,640 right. I don't think mother and Lissa wanted this to go down, 496 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,400 because she says I was gonna say, apparently not, but like, yeah, 497 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,839 why didn't you just say something? Why did you choose to go as 498 00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:07,400 you said full email tap and scare the fuck out of soul? And he 499 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,079 acted accordingly? I though with that, Yeah, because that that makes you 500 00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:15,440 don't know what she's doing. She's turning into some of you niver seen before. 501 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,640 Some of these witches are already violent. I'm fine completely with the strikedown 502 00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:22,160 there it makes sense. Well, I just think I wish she just died 503 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,839 and then maybe after they kind of put together oh shit like or even if 504 00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:30,559 it was the other mother being like she was good, like some way for 505 00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:33,079 them to put together. Oh, she was trying to help instead of Emo 506 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,680 tep stab me. I was gonna help you die, like just say that 507 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,359 before specially she could speak like just come on, now, let's look at 508 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,759 this now from what we've seen, what we know, the other mother was 509 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,599 doing the same thing, and that was to actually possess one of them. 510 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,680 So now that makes me think, Okay, what was she doing and mother 511 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,000 and he said, going to possess someone? What was her goal here? 512 00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:59,440 Because what was the standoff? It was soul Torbin and the other mother. 513 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,440 Yeah, yeah, the two No, it was just are you taking the 514 00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:07,480 Anissa? They were side. Yeah. I don't know if she was gonna 515 00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:14,039 try to when she possessed the other mother, maybe to make her stand down. 516 00:32:14,119 --> 00:32:15,440 That's what I was wondering, even if there's a way to possess like 517 00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:17,920 both of them, because like Torvin did, like have his lights, they 518 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:23,119 were out ready to go again. This apprentice instigating this apprentice should not become 519 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,200 like a master. Later on, he's like, you see all this is 520 00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:30,720 just like fail, Like he fails on so many spectrums here, like he 521 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,599 just the second he gets back, you covered up and then you say sorry, 522 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,640 Torbn, like this isn't the life for you, especially because we're I 523 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,400 need again. Do you think that's gonna get answered next week of why Osha 524 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,880 couldn't be I guess she failed that she just failed the Jedi. No, 525 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,559 we won't get an answer for that where I doubt we're gonna she said she 526 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,519 failed, right, so I'm assuming that she took the trials and failed. 527 00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:53,279 I'm guessing right, that's gonna be it. Yeah, So I just feel 528 00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:58,839 like Torbn, what they presented this episode, I don't buy this. Dude 529 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,200 could do the trials and complete it a thing with Anakin again, very passionate, 530 00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:06,079 very emotional, but to me, it's like because he was so strong 531 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,960 on the force, that's how he could do or even if the Jedi didn't 532 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,440 want to, He's like, well, he passed everything with flying colers. 533 00:33:12,519 --> 00:33:15,839 Like I guess maybe the idea is hopefully Torbin would learn for this, but 534 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,720 again he's dead that we don't learn much from here. That's why I think 535 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:22,680 some of this episode. I feel definitely they should have done this is three 536 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,920 and four because for me, this didn't feel like a big reveal. I 537 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:30,240 felt like I have so many like little issues along the way. But like 538 00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:35,079 if we leave, like the whole show's trying to be they've swapped places, 539 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:45,240 right, and the motivation we thought was for Osha to learn something about that 540 00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:47,240 situation and go oh, I shouldn't trust them, right, And I would 541 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:52,599 say that flashback does this they led the I'll say they inside the incident with 542 00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:55,680 the Jedi tourb and they inside it. He Soul killed his mother and even 543 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,559 if Ocean and like this, he let his sister drop right and lied about 544 00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:02,119 that. Okay, that makes sense for Osha. Now with may can you 545 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:07,200 give me a reason why if we're thinking this SWAP's gonna happen, why would 546 00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:13,360 she now want to be with the Jedi or be a Jedi Beera apprenticed Soul. 547 00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:16,400 I'd feel like he's telling the story and what she remembers the story, 548 00:34:16,599 --> 00:34:22,039 this is an even worse version of the story. I thought they were gonna 549 00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:24,679 give something for Oshan to turn and something for Main to turn. I just 550 00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:30,239 feel like it would make Osha bad and it would make May worse. But 551 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:35,400 what's to tell because May saw it all well, no, he he could 552 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,119 say that I actively let you die, right because she was looking at her 553 00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:40,559 sister, so he she might have just thought, oh, he couldn't save 554 00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:44,280 me. But he's saying that I made the choice not to save you. 555 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,599 I think that's what he'd be saying. That's that's fair. But he made 556 00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:51,760 it out like he had so much more to tell her. I feel like 557 00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:54,599 I don't think Anissa knew. She didn't know it was there though, right 558 00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:02,480 because May walked out and then he missed misidentified. He's like what and then 559 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:08,719 that's all the time apparently for Saul. He he I have this connection to 560 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:14,079 Osha and then May runs out. This whole episode is motherfucker, But I 561 00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:17,920 have a connections Again, what I cannot stand. These Jedi are so much 562 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,280 like when they're like we got the test results, He's fucking sprinting to the 563 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,599 table to find out like a kid to find out if they pass high school. 564 00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:30,519 It's like, who are these Like? It's so weird because this is 565 00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:34,119 supposed to be leading to the Phantom Menace. Jedi those are like the most 566 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:39,360 stoic motherfuckers that don't care and are very like emotionless nonchalant, like we talk 567 00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:43,920 on the High Republic way way back, like that's more when they're a bit 568 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,440 more emotional and they're letting love class. I know that's the Council, right, 569 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,840 I mean these Jedi, they're not part of the Council. They're subordinates 570 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,719 and they're kind of they're that lower rank. And we see that even in 571 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:58,079 the High Republic era. Look at someone like Avar Chris or Avar Chris or 572 00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:00,840 a lone Gray Storm, like they have the things where it's just like you 573 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,800 get like, I feel like none of these characters are like the classic Jedi 574 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,599 that we know and love, you know, because they will be that way 575 00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:12,719 for a second, even when him and Uh, I'll go, what's carry 576 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:17,320 Moss's character's name in here, Nada, Anaa or Kanada. It's something like 577 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,360 that anyway, So Trinity, at the end, when they get back to 578 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:27,119 the ship, they're literally like wrestling with each other, like like having dumb 579 00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:29,880 and dumber fights. Caught me off guard. I'm like, what the fuck 580 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,599 is going? I could? I could for some reason by Torbin and Soul, 581 00:36:32,639 --> 00:36:36,199 even though Soul, which is okay, they've made him a very emotional 582 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,920 Jedi, even though like to me that again, this is all it's my 583 00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:44,320 perspective, Qui Gon's supposed to be like an emotional Jedi, and look how 584 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,280 stowa Key is in those movies, right, Soul is very emotional, So 585 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,719 okay, we're going with that emotional Jedi. The fact that the Master now 586 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,920 is like they're fucking fighting and the Apprentice to be like stopping and they're like 587 00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:58,760 they're like tied up, they're ready to they're headlock and they're ready to go. 588 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,079 I'm just like, who are these people? Like? These are not 589 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:07,920 the Jets? Like this to me does not scream Jedi, because maybe that's 590 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,320 what they're going for. At Torben saying we've been here for how long? 591 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,760 And she's like, we've been here about seven weeks, and maybe that's just 592 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,960 every day it's the same thing, metal detectors out, same food, repetition, 593 00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:21,840 and maybe they are just getting annoyed with each other. I need a 594 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,920 more fuller episode of that. I need again, and so you've done multiple 595 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,360 times. I can't have you explain it for me. I need the show, 596 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,119 and I just I've never seen Jedi wrestle like that. Last time I 597 00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:35,800 saw Jedi wrestle like that was like or Jedi wrestle like that was like Anakin 598 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,360 back on fucking we're in Naboo with bad grass. Yeah, Like it was 599 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:47,679 strange, but like that's the thing where the I it's it's strange choices they've 600 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:55,480 made with they all feel very like like younglings, which is I could buy 601 00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:00,239 if these were kid jedis for some reason, the seven year old jedis on 602 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,840 a mission. For the fact that the Master Knight apprentice, I don't know 603 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,639 what the Wookie is all being very all over the map, I don't know. 604 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:08,880 So that's the thing of I just don't Anyways, that's what I was 605 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,079 gonna ask you. Sorry, we went on a tangent. Why would May 606 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,000 if we're assuming and let's say that's what they will do, why would May 607 00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:20,920 choose to work with Soul at all anymore? Or is that just not gonna 608 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,480 happen now because I don't see a reason from this flashbackstory'd be like, oh, 609 00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:27,840 she should give the Jedi a chance. I think it'll come down to 610 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,119 whether or not she forgives Soul or not for killing her mother out of the 611 00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:37,039 why would she forget I think maybe if she hears the whole case of just 612 00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:39,840 how he made a mistake and he's apologetic and yeada YadA YadA, and how 613 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:44,679 he tried to he wanted to save them both and he was afraid all I 614 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,840 still incited the incident though, Right, if Torbin doesn't show up, maybe 615 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:51,639 this big explosion doesn't happen, But Toban's dead, so she's she's got all 616 00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:54,159 her revenge on them, right, So okay, But that they were apologetic, 617 00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:58,880 Torbin was sorry and then he killed himself, So then more anything happens 618 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,000 with May Because if we're saying, oh, she might try and Soul, 619 00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:04,480 I just feel like that would the Jedi as a whole. She could maybe 620 00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:07,639 forgive Soul, but I just don't feel like she'd be like, oh I've 621 00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:09,599 seen enough that I should become a Jedi now you know. Oh she's not 622 00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:13,599 becoming a Jedi. But I think it'll just be a level of forgiveness and 623 00:39:13,639 --> 00:39:17,000 she won't be trying to kill Soul. And I think, yeah, she'd 624 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,840 probably go to prison. Maybe she'll just run away and flee the galaxy and 625 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,480 see something. I don't know if anything I think you could see Osha being 626 00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:29,559 the one, if the right, depending how the writing goes and how they 627 00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:32,000 were alluding to her putting the helmet on, and she's like full dark side 628 00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:36,159 and whatnot. She's eating it up and loving chime here. Then I think 629 00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:40,960 that she could be the one to just be fueled with rage when Chymer tells 630 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,599 her what happens. And that's not a thing too. How does Kimer know 631 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,400 about everything that transpired here? I don't. That's a lot. I don't 632 00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:52,559 know. I feel like you're gonna pitch something I don't because you're already pitching 633 00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:55,639 in our gen. I got nothing to pitch because I don't think one episode 634 00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:00,719 of so how do you squeeze that in there? Like his backstore and everything 635 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,679 with his knowledge on the Twins? Right, I'll pitch that later. What 636 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,559 I will say, though, this The other thing I forgot is we talked 637 00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:12,119 about this already before and again here because we went on so many tangents. 638 00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:16,239 When Soul is just emphasizing how much of a connection he has to Osha and 639 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,159 he just constantly can't censor. I just don't buy it. It's like I 640 00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:23,960 said, it's literally the writing is flip floppy where they want us to believe 641 00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:29,679 that he has such a strong connection with Osha he has to take her to 642 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,760 then he won't. The second this girl walks room doesn't know her. The 643 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:37,440 second a grown adult who after osher you spend days with back together does not 644 00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:40,039 know it's not Osha. It's just it's like no one just sits like. 645 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:45,360 All I'm saying is you could say that you feel like feel for this girl, 646 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,480 want a trainer, but don't say they feel When he's like, I 647 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,079 feel so connected, I feel like she's gonna be my pad one. To 648 00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:52,920 me, that's like already a deep connection. Don't do that then in the 649 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:57,239 show. Don't make it so deep, just make it that he cares about 650 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,480 her. And that was another line too, when the Uh the Uh Trinity 651 00:41:01,639 --> 00:41:05,800 was like, Okay, well we're gonna tell the counsel the truth that there 652 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,000 was a fire and everyone died, which is like a very white, live 653 00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:10,519 version of the truth. But okay, again for me, it's a big 654 00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:14,519 lie. But okay, I guess we're rolling with these Jedi lied to the 655 00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:17,360 council right for me. When they're like, well it's gonna have Alosha, 656 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,239 she's like and Soule was like, no, no, no, I still 657 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,760 want to tell them. I gotta kind of admit my sins. She's like, 658 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,000 no, look at this girl, everything she's been through, you can't 659 00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:30,199 do this again again, a very non Jedi response to me that she was 660 00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:34,039 worrying about the girl's heart and everything like that, and that was which was 661 00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:37,000 odd to me, especially with this master, who so far has been shown 662 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,639 to be very cold. It's not like a Qui gon gin where Okay, 663 00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:43,440 you meet him, then you learn as you keep talking them, like okay, 664 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,039 there's more to him, and he's a bit more personable than some of 665 00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:49,039 the other Jedis. So far, she's been very by the books, and 666 00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:52,159 now all of a sudden she's worried about this girl's feelings. When she didn't 667 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,599 she was with the counsel, didn't want to train them right. So I 668 00:41:54,639 --> 00:41:59,599 just feel like, again, they say one thing, they show us one 669 00:41:59,639 --> 00:42:04,119 thing with a character or motivations, and they do the complete opposite in a 670 00:42:04,159 --> 00:42:06,400 scene or two later. And that's why it's like the main thing that had 671 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,320 this is a consistent problem I have with the show. They've done this with 672 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,360 me right where I'm gonna turn myself in. I'm not gonna turn myself in. 673 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,000 I'm not gonna kill Jed anymore. I'm gonna try and kill Soul. 674 00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:17,239 It's just they can't. I don't know if it's multiple writers. I don't 675 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:22,559 know if it's just for the plot. So I just couldn't get into him 676 00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:25,280 being so connected and not knowing it was may you know, felt very odd 677 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:30,400 again to happen to him. So yeah, just when you're talking about how 678 00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:37,760 could Torbin do the trials, so here's Star Wars fandom wiki dot com. 679 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,800 Good, I got four trials and we'll see if Torbin can do. This 680 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:45,199 is a trial skill where okay, he can maybe because he's he's blocking. 681 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:49,159 Those are just something like his fight Yeah. Yeah, his fight scenes were 682 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,559 sick. I'll give him that. And he's like, man, I again, 683 00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:54,239 I'm a huge sucker for the prequel fight style. And so when he's 684 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:59,719 sitting there and he's spinning, spinning his wrist into like full three sixty spins 685 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,119 yeah, and or seven twenty spins even, and his sabers just going from 686 00:43:02,159 --> 00:43:06,679 his back to his front, deflecting the arrows, I'm like, oh, 687 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,639 this is fucking sick. I love this. The only one problem I had 688 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,239 is I did not like when him and I don't care. It can be 689 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,280 a fucking nippick when him and the Wookie or the Wookie was to strike him 690 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,679 and he stops it. He should not be able to stop the Wookie's strength 691 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,920 there when he was holding the Wookie back with his lightsaber, it wasn't even 692 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:28,239 a strong angle like I. He was like this. He was like this 693 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,159 man's lifting. So I was like, H kind of made the Wookie a 694 00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:35,199 little weaker there, But I digress. I give the Wookie the benefit and 695 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,159 not the benefit. I give Tormn the benefit because the Wokie was possessed. 696 00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:42,440 So there's that. But but it a little weaker. Yeah. But his 697 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,400 fight scene with km Maack I was was great. I love Commack. I 698 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,880 just go into town on the two of them trial of courage, confronting their 699 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:52,159 greatest fears. So I feel like he overcame some fears in this episode, 700 00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:54,079 be fortifying his mind and not letting them get back in there. I feel 701 00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:58,840 like he was able to do that. Yeah, but I don't he he 702 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,920 led to dozens of people dying. That to me is a major Even if 703 00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:08,000 he didn't start the fire, what Okay, so what's the scenario if he 704 00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:12,840 doesn't show how the fire starts and I imagine the witches just put it out. 705 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,159 Um, he led to the death of mother Anissa, that's all. 706 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,079 Like he led the death of her and others. The fire maybe did something 707 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,119 we'll talk about. I don't even know what the they got, like gasoline 708 00:44:24,199 --> 00:44:28,280 tanks in there and like pro pank because all of a sudden it starts blowing 709 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,239 up. It's like, and that's what. But did he did he yes 710 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:36,800 or no? Lead to the deaths of people in this episode? Yes? 711 00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:38,320 Yeah, So I'm gonna say he fails that one. In my opinion, 712 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,599 that's a fail. He I would say he leads to the death of at 713 00:44:42,679 --> 00:44:46,079 least one person, Well, I'd say I'd say more than the explosions was 714 00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:52,119 definitely may But again that's that's that's courage. So there's another trial here that 715 00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:59,119 I think changes it up. So Trial of Spirit pitts the Apprentice against their 716 00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:04,119 own shortcomings. Like that's where he fails because this is all him. He 717 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,920 fails with the shortcomings. He's he's two, He's one for two right now, 718 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,199 can at least get fifty? And with the Jedi do you gonna pass. 719 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,360 You gotta pass all these, right, you do? Oh? Sorry, 720 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,840 there's actually a fifth one. So the fourth one, trial of flesh 721 00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:17,400 historically involved physical pain. I feel like he he you know, his face 722 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,000 looking pretty scarred up. I think he passes. Yeah, he was fine. 723 00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:22,320 He was so conscious, he wasn't crying anything. So I'll give him. 724 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,400 He's got a good pain tolerance. So yeah. The last one is 725 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:32,719 insight. So the ability was this delusions and deceptions, say he did overcome 726 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:37,519 it. I guess that's the mind fortification. But usually they it includes a 727 00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:40,400 riddle or a puzzle for them to solve. I'm saying, I'm saying, 728 00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:44,239 give the witches, like another hour with him. He's fucked again. Like 729 00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:47,639 the witches were also compromised in the same way you say the wook. He 730 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,880 was compromised. The witches had a lot going on. So I'm just saying, 731 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:53,760 you know, so, yeah, I don't think he passes that. 732 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:59,119 So can I ask you? So we get the situation of okay, so 733 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:04,159 mother and he said dies, which I get. She lost her wife. 734 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,039 I just wasn't buying the character at that point, but that's fine. So 735 00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:12,079 she decides her and soul are gonna fight and in a very weird scene where 736 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,559 she's like, strike me, fight me, okay, whatever? Cool? 737 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:21,639 So much like what was it May in the first episode, right, And 738 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,920 I just I think you and Kirkland you said a couple weeks ago, I 739 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:30,119 think you're right about there's another master out there. But fuck, guys, 740 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:36,800 it's gonna be the fucking what alien races she It's gonna be the Zadrac Mother. 741 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,639 And that's the biggest No. I didn't see her. She got away 742 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:45,519 because like the thing is what we were just talking about. I just lost 743 00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:49,480 them on Zabra mother being the master. Yeah, but why how did I 744 00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:52,039 get there? Oh my god? She she was fighting soul and so was 745 00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:55,599 dodging the head right, and she kept saying fight, strike me, fight 746 00:46:55,679 --> 00:46:59,000 me, the same thing May was saying to the Jed in the first two 747 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,239 episodes, right of strike me, fight me, you know, like she 748 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,880 didn't want to fight them unarmed. And the other thing is, at one 749 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,800 point when they're talking about the levitation and everything, there's something that Osha said 750 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,800 that when they're talking about the Whether it was Kymie or this is not there 751 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,400 at some point or maybe it was May, I can't remember. But it 752 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,880 was in episode four they said, oh, my mother taught me that, 753 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,360 So that's where, and it was something that late. I think they were 754 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,599 talking about levitating and then we see kime here. We didn't know it was 755 00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:30,119 him levitate, and that's where I think that she is gonna be still alive 756 00:47:30,159 --> 00:47:31,840 because where did she go at the end of this we didn't see her. 757 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,280 Oh, we don't know. So you have kim here, who is a 758 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,639 parent. People are rumoring now obviously that Ernestra was his master. He used 759 00:47:38,639 --> 00:47:42,239 to be a Jedi, his at least a Jedi master. Also, yeah, 760 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,159 his master harmed him. And so at that point he runs off and 761 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,960 mother z Abrac is like, Hey, I'm gonna hook you up with uh 762 00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:55,639 this dark side stuff. And when you said you're you even pitched it when 763 00:47:55,639 --> 00:47:59,719 I like, I'm giving all these examples and you're like, how would Kimier 764 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:04,199 know all this? Well? Who better to tell them than this fucking lady. 765 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,400 And I think that's gonna be the route we're going. I can head 766 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:12,760 candidate in many different ways, but it's still over rules, because I mean, 767 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,360 what you're saying is they could write it that way and it would fit. 768 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,559 And I think it would alienate a large part of the community. I 769 00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:23,360 would really really really hate that. I really really would. And I stand 770 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,760 by so much Star Wars stuff. There's a lot of stuff that people don't 771 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,119 like that I like, and there are things I really like with the show 772 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,719 generally do but that would really really hurt it for me if they did that. 773 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,639 But I'm somebody that even weeks ago I said, like, I get 774 00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:37,920 people if they don't like the Anakin thing. I understand because it's an things 775 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,239 I don't like. But for me it's not an issue. But when you 776 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,880 say, like, oh, that'll really kind of excommunicate some fans, I 777 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,320 think unfortunately with the show, they've kind of already done that, right, 778 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:51,239 And I'm not even talking about the political stuff. Take that all out with 779 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,119 the lower stuff of the and even if there's people that go, like the 780 00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:58,039 age thing, throw out, but like the Caddy money thing, it's like, 781 00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,920 do people like that? That character is a when people are talking about 782 00:49:01,039 --> 00:49:05,159 you know, maybe not Sith, but just stuff going on, right, 783 00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,039 people with powers and Master and Apprentice. For me, I'm so gonna go 784 00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:09,599 no, I don't like that. I think it's too much of a stretch, 785 00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:14,119 and that's where I feel like this show, I feel like it is 786 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,960 similar to Last Jedi, where it's not just one, it's multiple things. 787 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:22,000 They've done at least three things. I would say maybe four. I'd say 788 00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:27,000 the thread again didn't bug me. I'd say the you know, the Virgins, 789 00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:30,920 the miracle bursts didn't bug me, but that bug people. I'd say 790 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,679 the stuff with Caddy Monday, whether it's the age or him being around when 791 00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,079 they're talking about the shit. And now this idea of you know, if 792 00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:42,800 they play with the plague Ess or the Palpatine or the Tenebrists or whatever they 793 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,199 do, right, like, there's four potential. The fourth is potential. 794 00:49:45,199 --> 00:49:49,480 But I think they're gonna do some stuff. There's things where it's just I 795 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,840 don't think there's stuff they needed to do, per se. I don't think 796 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:58,840 they needed to it's just it. And even Last Jedi, I disagree with 797 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,880 a lot of people's takes those because I don't think they're as bad as people 798 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,320 make them out to be, but I still understand them. But with this 799 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,119 one, I go, I just think there's certain things that just they don't 800 00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:08,360 need to do. They don't need to go. You don't have to have 801 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,360 caddy money there. You know, you don't have to do that. The 802 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,119 threat thing didn't bug me, but just like you just could call it the 803 00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:19,639 force and everyone's fine. Again, that doesn't bug me. I'm fine that 804 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,840 different religions have that right. But I feel like this show is doing that 805 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:27,920 thing where it's poking the bear, and you can do that, but it 806 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,840 has to be done very well, and I think unfortunately the writing is not 807 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:35,320 that well. So that's where I think you're just like you're turning people against 808 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,400 not everybody, but you're turning people against it. And it's that thing that 809 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,079 I think people start to check out. And that's where when you say, 810 00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:43,360 oh, I hope they don't do that, because they'll you know, push 811 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,639 some fans away. I think unfortunately they've done that multiple times and they're kind 812 00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:50,039 of still they still got a couple of cards at their sleeves. I guess 813 00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:52,639 to do it a little bit more, you know. So let's take an 814 00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:54,800 ad break and then tay, it'll take us to the next points. We'll 815 00:50:54,840 --> 00:51:01,599 be right back and we are back next sir. Uh. So again, 816 00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:06,239 it's not Medichlorians. It's the same thing though it's m count but it's different 817 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:12,239 terminology, different terminology. They just you know what they girl fucking backbone Star 818 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:16,079 Wars. You know what I'm saying this Disney Star Wars because I'm some just 819 00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:22,199 say it or don't say it. Fucking George did Mediclorians. As I've said 820 00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:24,800 many times, that's stupid. I don't like it. In the whole original 821 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,920 trilogy is talked about is this feeling an or something in the air, something 822 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,079 in the universe, And then the prequel is like, well, if you 823 00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:34,920 got really good DNA, you know, you could be a Jedi. I 824 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,599 don't like that, but there it is. Just if you're gonna use you'r. 825 00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:42,159 They are using Medichlorians, but they don't want to say mediclorians because like, 826 00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:44,280 oh, we know a lot of people don't like that, so we're 827 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,760 not gonna do that. So it's just like, just say the fucking word. 828 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,679 Just say it. Just do it. That whole thing you did in 829 00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,639 Star Wars for Us Awakens when you did the this would be good to make 830 00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:57,400 things right again, it's not right. We're in it. We're we're in 831 00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,039 the fucking shit. You guys. You may your bed now you go to 832 00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:04,000 sleep in it. And that's the thing, and also like before I forget, 833 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,119 why the fuck they better explain it because Les the headlines said, oh 834 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,239 you know, I can't speak about that now. We heard like kyler Ren's 835 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:14,639 theme like three times in this episode, all like when the fucking Wookie's fighting, 836 00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,119 kyle Ren's themes going on. It's like, nothing about kylo Ren has 837 00:52:17,159 --> 00:52:21,400 to do with witches or this. As we've talked about before, it still 838 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,719 makes no seth sense because they're saying, hey, it's a sith and kylo 839 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,800 Ren apparently wasn't a seth to them, right, So I don't know. 840 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,960 With the fucking m count, the kylo Ren thing, there's just multiple things 841 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,599 that's just like, what are we doing here? Just just say Mediclorin's that's 842 00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:37,400 a nippick. But still I just feel like it's just like they're trying to 843 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,360 be safe, but it's just like you're using you're using Mediclorians, you're using 844 00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,639 the blood count. Yes, yeah, no, it's absolutely Medicchlorians. So 845 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,880 I like that they were basically scanning it and they're able to deduce that, 846 00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:52,960 Oh, it's actually Osha May is the same person. It's not. They're 847 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:57,559 not twins. They are identical they're more like clones than twins. Yeah, 848 00:52:57,639 --> 00:52:59,920 exactly, they're more like clones, which is interesting. Yeah, you call 849 00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:02,679 it like it's the same thing with with Anakin, and basically, like what's 850 00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,800 the dialogue. I think I pulled it up here where I've encountered a virgins 851 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,400 in the Force, lookate around a person, a boy the cells of the 852 00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,400 highest concentration of Midicchlorians. I've seen A life for him is possible. He 853 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,400 was conceived by the Midiclorians. So that's pulled from the Phantom Menace. Uh, 854 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,840 And I think it's fun to kind of like retouch upon that here and 855 00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:29,079 that's where anymore though Taylor not special, that's true. But yeah, I 856 00:53:29,159 --> 00:53:31,960 mean it doesn't attract for me because like they don't know how he was created. 857 00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:37,880 Again, it's just it depends how Uh, it depends how this unfolds, 858 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:43,800 because I don't I with Caddy Mundy being in the Jedi Council and all 859 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,440 these the Jedi and obviously we see these Jedi boots on the ground having these 860 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:52,280 experiences, they're not relaying this information. They did not relay to the Council 861 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,840 that there was a virgens in the Force with the twins. They only said 862 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,840 that they found I think that's what they said. Yeah, they did, 863 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,519 because they didn't know that the twins were a virgins. Yet they knew that 864 00:54:01,559 --> 00:54:06,079 the witches had these children and they were for sensitive and that's it. They 865 00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:07,400 did the test and they related to the council, and the council said, 866 00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,679 you need to leave them, stop doing that, just bugger off. And 867 00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:15,679 then after that's when Torbin discovered Okay, they're the virgins, it's the twins 868 00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,719 because of the DNA. Then they interfered. So the council, the Council 869 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,679 does not know that these children were born of the force, so that could 870 00:54:24,039 --> 00:54:27,679 again it depends on how next week goes. That could play out whoever it 871 00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,719 is. But the council also doesn't know the Sith is popping off right now 872 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,480 the balloons before I pass it to you. Okay. That's where I think 873 00:54:34,519 --> 00:54:39,000 it makes Anakin still very relevant because we have two scenarios where May and Osho 874 00:54:39,079 --> 00:54:43,079 were born out of a versions of the Force, and then we have Anakin 875 00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:45,079 born of the versions of the Force. And now they don't know that Osha 876 00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:50,880 and May are that are that scenario the only one for them is still Anakin, 877 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,519 and they don't. We don't have confirmation that it was Palpatine. There's 878 00:54:53,559 --> 00:54:58,559 the comics and whatnot, but we don't have a full canon movie, TV 879 00:54:58,639 --> 00:55:00,639 show confirmation of how I was formed. It was just a vergence in the 880 00:55:00,679 --> 00:55:02,920 force and there he is. And so for the Jet at that time, 881 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,000 Hey, chosen One, he's special. Yeahda YadA, yeada. This doesn't 882 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,760 detract from that, but I think we do. I still don't think they've 883 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:15,880 we've never really read the full prophecy, so I've I always ask people this, 884 00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,360 find me the thing where it says that the Chosen One has to be 885 00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,280 of unnatural causes birth, like Yoda says, could be misread, could have 886 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,199 been right. Well, that's what I mean. Like, it's not like 887 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,400 it's not like they don't just say, like, okay, personal randomly get 888 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,920 pregnant and there you go. Because it's supposed to be like an allegory for 889 00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:35,599 like Jesus right, it's marrying Joseph, that she just became pregnant. That's 890 00:55:35,639 --> 00:55:37,679 what people. If you don't get it, it's been this long, it's 891 00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:42,239 like, and it's supposed to be Jesus right. So they're saying, I 892 00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,360 think that's where people's issues are, which I don't have the exact same issues, 893 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:46,880 but I think people have the issue of, well, there's some Sith 894 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:51,440 before and they covered up, and all there were these twins before and they 895 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,599 covered up, where it's just like these things in Phantom Menace already happened, 896 00:55:54,599 --> 00:55:59,440 and like if they weren't stopped here, that would have been the Star Wars 897 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,679 that would have let to and everything. Like that's the defense that people have. 898 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,519 That's not why I was putting up my hand put up the hand as 899 00:56:05,559 --> 00:56:07,719 I think I'm completely forgotten now. But oh, that's what I was gonna 900 00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:14,480 say. Why do you think they would train Osha now? Because with Qui 901 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,280 Gon and Anakin they say no, but he quiet and just says, fuck 902 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,360 it, I'm gonna train myself. And this Soul is not even a master 903 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,519 yet, he's still a Knight at this point in this episode. So like 904 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,800 the idea that she says, well, you know, we're gonna keep this 905 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:30,599 lie because uh OSHA's been through so much, we can't just leave her. 906 00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,159 I just feel like if they brought her a council with the council, especially 907 00:56:34,159 --> 00:56:37,199 with just a Jedi Knight, would they say Okay, sure you can train 908 00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,199 her with theyd be like, well, we'll find a suitable home for this 909 00:56:39,519 --> 00:56:43,159 orphan. Like, that's my one thing of they actively because we didn't know 910 00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:45,719 that before. We had heard in the past that they thought she was too 911 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,119 old, but this episode we got to confirmed that. The council said no, 912 00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,480 right, they said no, don't bring them, we don't want to 913 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,039 train them. So why now would they change their minds when he brings Osha 914 00:56:55,079 --> 00:56:59,920 back. Don't bring them because they belong to this coven and they it's they 915 00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:01,400 to stay there. The Covenant is responsible for them. We're not going to 916 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:07,440 pull them away. But now when you say a fire started, everyone died, 917 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,800 and now this child is alone but has very capable force abilities, and 918 00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:15,519 you have apparently Master and or Nada is now vouching for the child to become 919 00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:19,920 a Jedi, and now you have Soul and I'm sure kel Naka is just 920 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,639 like saying, yeah, Maker or Jedi, and then Torben's like, yeah, 921 00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:24,039 I feel bad Maker a Jedi. So you have a whole squad it's 922 00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:28,559 all probably advocating for her to become a Jedi. So I think you have 923 00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,840 that. The one thing that we learned in this episode was Soul was mad 924 00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:37,920 at Master uh in Dara because in Dara was not pushing the Council enough to 925 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:43,159 kind of she wasn't swaying them or pushing them, and Soul was inscating that 926 00:57:43,239 --> 00:57:45,679 he would have kind of pushed them a little bit more. And so I 927 00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:50,599 think now that you have and Dara actually making more of a push at the 928 00:57:50,679 --> 00:57:53,679 end of this because they she's obviously attached to Osha. It's like, oh, 929 00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:58,360 you're going to crush OSHA's dream now, Soul, so you have that. 930 00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,320 Yeah. But them count thing though, the m count stuff I think 931 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,199 is interesting, Yeah, I guess so yeah, if it's Midclaurin's. It 932 00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:07,960 just find it interesting that they would say no and then they bring her back 933 00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,719 and like, oh, I guess, but yeah, final, Okay, 934 00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,320 I can kind of get that way. Again. I'd like the show to, 935 00:58:13,639 --> 00:58:15,159 uh, let me know here and confirm some of that stuff, but 936 00:58:15,199 --> 00:58:19,280 we don't have enough time, so we're not gonna We're not gonna go back 937 00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,960 to the council. And again, I would love to. That's something too 938 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,440 where it sometimes feels like the show's on a budget where they tubble the council 939 00:58:25,519 --> 00:58:30,079 so much I would love if we got one scene of the council and know 940 00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:32,159 who's on the council right now, even if it's just people we don't know 941 00:58:32,199 --> 00:58:37,079 if we know it's Yoda or don't know it's Yoda, yarial poof Yoda. 942 00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:42,519 Well, sure, guys, Apparently they couldn't get Apparently they couldn't get Yoda 943 00:58:42,599 --> 00:58:45,360 for fucking episode four, So you know, I guess you can't. They 944 00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,480 can't. They got a one hundred and eighty million dollar budget, but you 945 00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:51,960 can't get the fucking puppet even, you know, Like, I don't know 946 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,960 what's going on with this show sometimes. But and my last thought was just 947 00:58:54,960 --> 00:59:00,360 with the mcclorian's, like plague Ess was doing so much Chlorian testing and just 948 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:05,159 going back on this book, like, holy fock him Antenna breast like especially 949 00:59:05,159 --> 00:59:07,519 playing as he was doing lot. He was mixing everything. He was cross 950 00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:12,800 breeding species, breeding things, mixing the mcclorians around, and he talks about 951 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:21,119 how you can manipulate mediclorians, but you can't have them or no, sorry, 952 00:59:21,199 --> 00:59:23,320 he can sense them to Chlorians, he can detect them as their own 953 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:27,519 kind of beings, but you can't manipulate them yet. And that's what he 954 00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:30,920 was trying to figure out, and how he talks about that you can take 955 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,840 them, and you can take the blood of a force sensitive put it into 956 00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:37,760 someone else and it may have interesting effects, but it's not gonna make them 957 00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:43,800 for sensitive. It'll still create interesting results. But that's where he gets into 958 00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,000 like cloning force sensitive is are very very difficult, which we've seen in the 959 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,840 Mandaloria, and there's a lot of tribulation trials with that. Even Rise of 960 00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:54,639 Skywalker there's tribulations with that. So it's it just comes down to the fact 961 00:59:54,639 --> 01:00:00,039 that, however these twins are made, I really hope that it is Darth 962 01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:07,280 Plagis oriented. But then you also have an interesting note too where he talks 963 01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,719 about how after he kills his master Tenebris, and Tenebris talks about how that 964 01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:15,119 there are other dark side users out there that you need to be careful of, 965 01:00:15,199 --> 01:00:17,400 and I like that how he talks about how the rule of two there 966 01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:22,960 are different lineages of this, and his lineage is a direct descendant of Bain's 967 01:00:22,039 --> 01:00:25,960 Rule of two, so they're like the true rule of two. That lineage 968 01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:30,079 goes all the way down to Vader and so forth. But we kind of 969 01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:35,400 you got all those inquisitors and a saws Ventriss, so not really not really, 970 01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,639 yeah, but even then you learned ten I mean Kirkland mentioned it before 971 01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:44,000 Tennabis trained another apprentice outside of Plagus, and hey, it's Darth Venomous, 972 01:00:44,119 --> 01:00:46,960 But then Venomous was he called himself Darth, but he never was actually bestowed 973 01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:51,239 the title of Darth as a Sith. But it's just prospects. And then 974 01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,880 Venomous had a bunch of a fourth sensitive prospects to have a pres like they're 975 01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:58,599 always just they're always they got something going on, scheming. But that reminds 976 01:00:58,599 --> 01:01:04,880 me of one other thing. So if Kaimer is like Sith all this kind 977 01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,559 of stuff, is that because the Zabrac woman has kind of bestowed that on 978 01:01:07,679 --> 01:01:13,159 him. I feel like his tenants and his kind of morals don't really align 979 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:17,119 with hers because he's maybe he is too much of a Jedi that's just kind 980 01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:21,159 of gone dark the way he talks and acts. Like of course, they 981 01:01:21,159 --> 01:01:24,320 alluded to the way he gets inside your head and then OSHA's like, well, 982 01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,639 yeah, that reminds me of my mother. My mother used to do 983 01:01:27,719 --> 01:01:32,280 that. But there I still feel like he does have different morals. Yeah, 984 01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:36,119 but that could be that they didn't used to have different morals, right, 985 01:01:36,199 --> 01:01:38,519 they grow hard and everything. So that's where if they do reveal that 986 01:01:38,599 --> 01:01:44,480 the Zabracs is master, I would need a flashback episode or some more context. 987 01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,639 Okay, how did you get together? I imagine it would be something 988 01:01:46,679 --> 01:01:51,119 along the lines if he was a Jedi, he meets a Zabrac at some 989 01:01:51,159 --> 01:01:53,559 point, she's interested in him, and maybe he's kind of like tinkering with 990 01:01:53,639 --> 01:01:58,679 dark stuff. Venestra finds out and maybe there's a fight, and that's how 991 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:00,960 she kind of leaves him for day, right, Like I could see it 992 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:04,079 in that sort of scenario. So that's where we don't know I could see 993 01:02:04,119 --> 01:02:07,000 now. But also the same thing the Zabrac, like this is where she 994 01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:08,559 is now. We don't know what she would have been like after all this 995 01:02:08,679 --> 01:02:12,920 goes down, right, Like everyone's dead, her lover's dead, her children 996 01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,199 are gone. So it's like that could also change a person too, So 997 01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:20,679 she could be more like chime here now after everything that happened at the at 998 01:02:20,679 --> 01:02:22,679 the coven, right, So that's where there's a lot of loose ends in 999 01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:27,079 time to fill. So that's where I can't commit there. I did like 1000 01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:32,400 that they did not pick alleged yet as far as how the twins were born, 1001 01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,480 and I think they should not. I don't think they should. On 1002 01:02:36,639 --> 01:02:38,719 the opposite of you that, I actually hope it's if it's Plagueus, I 1003 01:02:38,719 --> 01:02:42,960 hope it's Plagus. Indirectly, I hope he didn't like land Down. It's 1004 01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,000 like, oh, I'm working with these witches and oh shit, look, 1005 01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:46,440 it's like I hope it would have been like they're messing with it. And 1006 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:50,320 because some people say that where it's like some people read it's like him and 1007 01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,800 Sidi has created Anakin. But then also some people I think in some books 1008 01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:57,199 made that book you're reading, it's like it's insinuated because I think it's legends. 1009 01:02:57,199 --> 01:02:59,360 So that's where it's like, well, it's not true canon. But 1010 01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:04,880 when the version is that Sidius and Plagis were We're doing this and in you 1011 01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,199 know, trying to make something dark Site, but the Force responded by creating 1012 01:03:07,239 --> 01:03:10,320 Anakin. Now it didn't really work out because Anakin just became like one of 1013 01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,840 the worst dark Side users of all time. So wait to go way to 1014 01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,119 Chlorians in Force. But that's where it's kind of you know, there's not 1015 01:03:16,159 --> 01:03:20,320 a clear answer, and I think they're saying they should not do clear answer 1016 01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,800 in some of these things. So I like that she didn't answer it. 1017 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,400 They when they asked how she was born, she just said the Jedi we're 1018 01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:28,119 gonna, you know, defeat themselves. That you know obviously they do so 1019 01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,719 good foreshadow, good foreshadow, and you get the whole sequel trilogy and everything. 1020 01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,840 So that's good. But no, I hope if it's Plagas, it's 1021 01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:38,880 nothing direct. I hope he has nothing to do with uh before I did. 1022 01:03:39,159 --> 01:03:43,800 I don't want I don't want those characters a part of this show. 1023 01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:45,599 And I'm very happy Yoda's not. It should be there for the loss of 1024 01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:49,559 I just don't trust the writers. That's the thing. I've lost trust in 1025 01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:52,920 the writers. So maybe another go around, But I just worry if Plagas 1026 01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:57,119 gets in here, like and if yeah, if he is a sif because 1027 01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,599 they get to the same way, like you said, they could just bestow 1028 01:03:59,719 --> 01:04:03,159 that. He also not calling himself like we don't know his like like he 1029 01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:08,719 like last week, did she even call him kime here? Does she ever 1030 01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,039 call him by name? I'd have to know. I don't think anyone is, 1031 01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,519 So that's what it's like. We don't know his name, right, 1032 01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:15,559 so maybe next week it is like, oh, my name is dar Smiley 1033 01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:17,039 or whatever it is, right, and they're like, okay, it's a 1034 01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:21,000 Darth. But like you said, it could just be these two outsiders bestowing 1035 01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:24,320 the name on themselves. It's the same way as to watch House or Game 1036 01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,559 of Thrones right now, where there's some that are bastards that they got to 1037 01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:30,480 earn their title, but some they just call themselves by their father's name. 1038 01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:31,679 But it's like, well, you're technically not allowed to do that yet because 1039 01:04:31,719 --> 01:04:35,320 you haven't been bestow the name. You should be a snow or a crow 1040 01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:39,800 or something like you. You haven't earned this right. But if they feel 1041 01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:43,199 they are, let's say, let's say kime Here and the Zabrac were together 1042 01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,840 and now they've broken apart, but at one point they're together and they feel 1043 01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,559 they are the true Sith and they can take down Playis or Tenabis or whoever 1044 01:04:48,599 --> 01:04:50,920 it is, then I could see them being like, well, yeah, 1045 01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:55,119 we're Darths or we're Sith, you know, so that that's easy to do. 1046 01:04:55,159 --> 01:04:57,559 And again, because like I've said, I the Sith is just a 1047 01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:00,519 name anybody that's dark side you there are the red lightsabers and sith. In 1048 01:05:00,519 --> 01:05:04,559 my opinion, I think Disney views it that way too, So we'll find 1049 01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:13,480 out. Uh cool shout out to the hyperspace disaster. They mentioned that brend 1050 01:05:13,519 --> 01:05:16,199 Doc was the result of like a hyperspace incident happened a long time ago, 1051 01:05:16,239 --> 01:05:20,440 and we know we know what that was because that was in like the the 1052 01:05:20,559 --> 01:05:26,719 first like kickstarting adult novel of that, right, Oh that one when that 1053 01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:30,440 the big hyperspace dis aster and the Nihill like mid Sugar that ship to blow 1054 01:05:30,519 --> 01:05:32,519 up in hyperspace. Yeah, you start destroying Platt. It's like that one 1055 01:05:32,599 --> 01:05:35,719 idiot Nihill guy that kind of is like a part of all that, right, 1056 01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:40,559 And yeah, so again that was a long time ago, which again 1057 01:05:40,599 --> 01:05:45,920 you can see here this is well hmmm, I'd have to actually calculate the 1058 01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:48,840 years and see how this goes because Vernestra was alive during the hyperspace disaster time. 1059 01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:53,840 So but she was a young child. Remember, Yeah, this species 1060 01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:57,559 ages that's right, that's right, maybe a thousands like Catty Monday, right 1061 01:05:58,039 --> 01:06:01,480 exactly, slow ager. Yeah, it's a cool little tie into the overall 1062 01:06:01,519 --> 01:06:04,599 high Republic stuff. So I was gonna ask you, and this is where 1063 01:06:04,679 --> 01:06:08,639 for me it just came down to poor Brighton and I didn't understand. So 1064 01:06:08,679 --> 01:06:11,159 we get the Wookie fight. I thought that was good. As I said, 1065 01:06:11,199 --> 01:06:14,559 I wish they made the Wookie a tad more physical, stronger. Very 1066 01:06:14,599 --> 01:06:16,840 cool to see a Wookie just with the lightsaber. It makes me wish he 1067 01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:20,000 was a part of the show the entire time and we had him as like 1068 01:06:20,039 --> 01:06:24,519 a side character, like actually know of him. Again, there's many things 1069 01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:27,119 i'd go, but I digress. So wish he was a little stronger. 1070 01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:30,519 But anyways, so the zab rack, she goes into the Wookie right to 1071 01:06:30,559 --> 01:06:34,159 control him? Right, she creates a conduit for the group of witches to 1072 01:06:34,239 --> 01:06:40,280 control him. Yes, so, which is odd because she could just like, 1073 01:06:41,719 --> 01:06:45,840 do they need that kano in every time? I don't know. I'm 1074 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,480 not proficient on witch megage, so I didn't think they did. So I'll 1075 01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,519 wait to see if there's an answer. I thought they could just do their 1076 01:06:50,599 --> 01:06:57,199 loone. But for me, it's just that, I guess Trinity, it 1077 01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:02,000 just for me felt like a very easy leap for Endira or Indira to push 1078 01:07:02,079 --> 01:07:05,119 them out of his mind and then they all just die or pass out and 1079 01:07:05,159 --> 01:07:09,960 that means they die and pass out from the fire. Felt very easy and 1080 01:07:10,039 --> 01:07:12,199 very irolly for me, and I did not like it when that was the 1081 01:07:12,199 --> 01:07:15,199 whole what happened is because they tried to make it seem like, oh, 1082 01:07:15,239 --> 01:07:16,960 did someone slaughter these witches? Did the Jedi slaughter of them? And no, 1083 01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:20,400 they just passed out because like she gave a little force push and I 1084 01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:25,079 guess that took them out where we saw like before, and Anissa get almost 1085 01:07:25,079 --> 01:07:28,159 pushed out of his mind and she was fine, but well, yeah, 1086 01:07:28,159 --> 01:07:30,639 and Dara that's why she's a Jedi master, and she sivered that connection and 1087 01:07:30,679 --> 01:07:36,679 they all just killed themselves. So dumb, and that's for me, It's 1088 01:07:36,719 --> 01:07:40,840 just just dumb. And then, like you said earlier, we get revealed 1089 01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,719 that uh the fire because there's all these things like did someone else start another 1090 01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,079 fire? Did they make it look like it was May? Did someone possess 1091 01:07:47,159 --> 01:07:51,760 May all this stuff? And uh no, May little fire to burn the 1092 01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:57,079 Jedi book and just kid playing the fire dropped it and that created the whole 1093 01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:02,480 thing that destroyed this entire witch coven thing. Uh yeah, very very kind 1094 01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:08,199 of like you tub Then four was very anti climatic answer to how did this 1095 01:08:08,239 --> 01:08:12,719 all happen? Well, kid playing matches not all because obviously Torbin's still there 1096 01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,359 and sold it his thing where he killed Mesa. So there's many things right, 1097 01:08:15,399 --> 01:08:20,159 But even if the witches were unconscious, I would have well, I 1098 01:08:20,199 --> 01:08:24,079 get I guess if the place on fire, the Jedi just left him the 1099 01:08:24,199 --> 01:08:26,239 Jed. I didn't even try to save them and pull them out. They 1100 01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:29,800 just saw my ath. They it just burned. Cool, good, good 1101 01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:34,800 job Jedi. Yeah, so I was that was very very anti climactic, 1102 01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:39,600 and like I said, the whole re it felt like they were showing us 1103 01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:44,359 things in episode three that could be very interesting, and they paint themselves into 1104 01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:47,640 a corner. So what did they do with the witches? Like fainting with 1105 01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:55,600 may just accidentally starting the fire? It felt like they took routes that undercut 1106 01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,640 episode three, much like I talked about stuff in episode five where I like 1107 01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:00,319 the fighting, but there's things about the I mean, like the other episodes, 1108 01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:02,800 least I think this happened again, Like I don't want to. I 1109 01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:06,560 don't think I'll I guess there's may Well, I never mind, I'm not 1110 01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:11,279 gonna watch the show again. So I'll just take that back. But if 1111 01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:14,520 I were, I don't know if i'd need to watch episode three really of 1112 01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:16,880 some main ocean stuff I guess, which again that doesn't matter because May is 1113 01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,079 all over the fucking map in the show. But I just felt like they 1114 01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:25,640 kind of tricked us. They pulled the rug under from out under us to 1115 01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:27,800 be like, oh, something really interesting here. It's like, no, 1116 01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:33,079 it's the most easy kind of just just get a jail free card you could 1117 01:09:33,119 --> 01:09:38,920 do. Is Yet the witches they got incapacitated, and May did start the 1118 01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:43,640 fire, but shouldn't mean to start the fire. So yeah, it's unfortunate. 1119 01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,439 Yeah, let me look, do you have any other notes here? 1120 01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:51,640 I don't think so. I'm surprised. I most of this episode has just 1121 01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:56,479 been me kind of like complaining with some highlights. But again, the episode 1122 01:09:56,520 --> 01:10:00,279 has just been similar scenes that we've already seen, but just the for an 1123 01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:02,239 angle and just adding a little bit more filler in the background. Just Okay, 1124 01:10:02,399 --> 01:10:05,079 this character was really here. This character was here, and we get 1125 01:10:05,119 --> 01:10:08,279 to see a little bit more of a dynamic and a dilemma. Well, 1126 01:10:08,279 --> 01:10:13,279 I can't appreciate seeing the ranks of Jedi where Soul is the night he's he 1127 01:10:13,319 --> 01:10:15,840 reminds me of kind of like of Yord, where Yord is kind of like 1128 01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,359 compulsive and emotional to a degree, and then you have talk your words better 1129 01:10:18,359 --> 01:10:23,319 than him though as far as just being a bit more like but even Yord's 1130 01:10:23,359 --> 01:10:26,560 just like oh oh shaw like, nope, handcuffs for you, YadA YadA, 1131 01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:31,039 Like he's definitely in his own way, he's he is more composed at 1132 01:10:31,039 --> 01:10:34,520 the same time he is. They're they're different, and they're all flawed in 1133 01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:38,520 their own ways. And I think the show is really trying to flush out 1134 01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:43,520 how the characters, each in their own Jedi rank are flawed and how I 1135 01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,479 don't know. At its core, these Jedi have just definitely dropped from what 1136 01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,880 Jedi used to be and the higher public novels, I would say, And 1137 01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:55,239 I do like that, but I don't like the way that it is written, 1138 01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,720 like you've already said. But I just I'm just yeah, and for 1139 01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:01,439 you, because you're a pre bigger prequel fan than I am. And I 1140 01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:03,760 think there's moments of it where I go, Okay, I understand this. 1141 01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:08,680 Do you find this is a logical jump to only be about what is like 1142 01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:12,520 eighty years before femin Menace. Those one hundred years, do you think that 1143 01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,520 is enough time for them to change? In my opinion, so much. 1144 01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:18,199 And again we see a lot of masters everything, but and there's some emotional 1145 01:11:18,199 --> 01:11:21,640 beats, but I feel like, oh we won. Like he's a little 1146 01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:25,520 whiny, but the most we ever seen emotions when Qui Gon dies. That's 1147 01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:29,000 when it's like, Okay, this makes sense. Even then he's like telling 1148 01:11:29,039 --> 01:11:31,359 Qui Gon like we should leave the boy or whatever. He's like, yes, 1149 01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:35,439 he's throwing his own opinions out there, and Qui Gon keeps reminding him 1150 01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:42,560 of his place. So I think that there's certain this show is trying very 1151 01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:45,359 hard to knock on certain similarities with the Phantom Menace. But the thing the 1152 01:11:45,399 --> 01:11:50,239 show is doing is is emphasizing it a little bit too much on certain fronts 1153 01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:55,199 in a way that people don't necessarily like. And you can't just always have 1154 01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:59,119 all the Jedi doing fight cool cool fight sequences, and you can't have them 1155 01:11:59,159 --> 01:12:03,800 having staying like conversations yeaha yah yah like because the conversations again, they're they're 1156 01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:11,279 struggling with the writing, but you can't hide certain things that they're doing with 1157 01:12:11,319 --> 01:12:17,079 these characters and certain exaggerations that they're focusing on that they've been inspired and they're 1158 01:12:17,119 --> 01:12:21,039 pulling from based on the writing of The Phantom Menace, Like The Phantom Menace 1159 01:12:21,119 --> 01:12:26,680 is written with George leading that ship, and so now you have different writers 1160 01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,239 that are trying to build off of that but make it a prequel. And 1161 01:12:29,279 --> 01:12:32,560 I think that's very difficult. It shouldn't be difficult. It should be pretty 1162 01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,960 straightforward, because what do people want. They want a Sith oriented show. 1163 01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:41,600 Give us a Sith master training a Syth apprentice and just all that, and 1164 01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:45,680 then throw it in where they're running into Jedi and they're killing Jedi and you 1165 01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,000 have battles and they're staying hidden and they're on the run. Yeahda YadA YadA. 1166 01:12:48,319 --> 01:12:51,079 To me, it seems like a no brainer, and just yeah, 1167 01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:56,399 just take advantage of the cannon. Like Keaddy, Mundy is its own thing. 1168 01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:58,760 I'm not bothered by it. It is what it is. People are 1169 01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:00,840 attached to. Oh wookiep says this, like, okay, calm down, 1170 01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:05,399 it's fine. But I think that if they just give us, give us 1171 01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:09,760 Yoda and that small doses, like even the higher public books, they know 1172 01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:13,159 not to just dump Yoda on us all the time you get him and either 1173 01:13:13,199 --> 01:13:15,600 of the characters self reflecting and thinking in the past, and I have to 1174 01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:18,640 have a conversation they've had with him, or he strolls in at the end 1175 01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:25,960 of the book and says something like, gee, yeah, I'm just rambling 1176 01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,079 now, but I feel like they are a different paths that could have been 1177 01:13:28,159 --> 01:13:30,680 chosen. But this is the one we're given, and I will hold my 1178 01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:35,119 tongue and I will see how the finale goes. This show has been very 1179 01:13:35,199 --> 01:13:39,920 up and down for me in certain regards. I'd say the ups have been 1180 01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:44,279 more on the positive though than the downs, so I'm happy about that to 1181 01:13:44,319 --> 01:13:48,039 a slight degree. I'm not affected by them changing all the threads and all 1182 01:13:48,159 --> 01:13:51,560 this and the lesbians and the forest babies. A version says, I'm not 1183 01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:55,039 bothered by that. I like it. I love the witch stuff. I 1184 01:13:55,079 --> 01:13:59,399 think it's great, and the fighting has been wonderful. The writing has been 1185 01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:02,840 questionable, but so far, I just need to see how this finale ends 1186 01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,920 and what will really do it for me. Like I already said, if 1187 01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:10,840 we get that zab Brac, which being the master of crime here, it's 1188 01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:15,760 gonna sting. I just want Plagas so freaking badly, do you though, 1189 01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,199 even in the show where you say you have lots of ups and downs when 1190 01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:23,800 you want it in a show where you're more confident in the in the team 1191 01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:30,039 because I do Plagas and then you get a very poor adaptation. Yes, 1192 01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:33,960 that's very true. You run that risk, and that is concerning. Ah, 1193 01:14:35,319 --> 01:14:43,640 But I mean do I do I not get him at all? There's 1194 01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,039 there's well, there's there's two options. Yeah, you never get Plagas. 1195 01:14:46,039 --> 01:14:50,680 Plagas only exists in the books. And then as mentioned in Revenge of the 1196 01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:54,600 Sith, that's it is that all that I would get of him when I 1197 01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:59,279 take that No, I want to see him and I want to I was 1198 01:14:59,319 --> 01:15:00,760 just in all those I want to see him on screen, and he could 1199 01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,840 be written terribly. It could be absolutely horrible, and that does frighten me. 1200 01:15:04,279 --> 01:15:08,279 But then you're not gonna get any different writers that You're gonna get the 1201 01:15:08,319 --> 01:15:11,119 writers that you have like and there's that's that's what you're gonna get. It's 1202 01:15:11,119 --> 01:15:14,359 the same way. My hope is like you do like, uh, you 1203 01:15:14,359 --> 01:15:16,800 know, maybe in the future there's another show that covers some of the things 1204 01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:23,119 that you know, we are hoping more that maybe Yeah, I know that's 1205 01:15:24,079 --> 01:15:26,760 I know that's a tough thing. It's a damn if you do, damn 1206 01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,600 if you don't, because it's like you get it, but is it the 1207 01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,640 way you really want it? I don't know. I don't know what's going 1208 01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:39,600 on over there, but my last question and I'll ask you something like controversial 1209 01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:45,680 and I wonder because I saw some comment and I don't think we'll get there 1210 01:15:46,199 --> 01:15:50,159 yet. I think it'll be a while and I didn't think we're gonna go 1211 01:15:50,279 --> 01:15:53,760 that route. But do you do you think it's possible. Let's say you 1212 01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:57,479 know who knows Evan's with ray movie these shows. Let's just say there continues 1213 01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,119 to be a down trend instance thing of like what do you do? How 1214 01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:04,720 do you get out of this? I'll put a little longer and maybe ask 1215 01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:08,359 Kirkle the same question because we'll ask him next week where he's at, because 1216 01:16:08,399 --> 01:16:11,520 I don't know. He's had a tough day at work, so he just 1217 01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:15,520 needed he works outside hot and you know there's some nucks and slid, nucks 1218 01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,279 and slid. That's why you listen to Patreon because you would understand that reference. 1219 01:16:18,279 --> 01:16:25,760 I go to Patreon, listen last month's episode. But so like you 1220 01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,399 were saying, you're more you have more ups and downs, I'm the reverse 1221 01:16:28,399 --> 01:16:30,800 where I got more downs and ups. I just wonder if the community continues 1222 01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,600 to go on, whatever the success for your non successful to do that. 1223 01:16:34,119 --> 01:16:39,880 Do you think it's possible in fifteen years And I'm not gonna say ever, 1224 01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,640 because I think it would happen. Ever, but in the next fifteen years, 1225 01:16:43,399 --> 01:16:46,279 they start anew and they start over and they just reboot the whole thing. 1226 01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:53,600 Yes, I think I think there is that that possibility. And who's 1227 01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:57,520 gonna put up a stink about it? Probably most of the most of the 1228 01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:00,840 people that were there for the original movies. I'm sorry, but you're gonna 1229 01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:05,319 be dead. That's how it is. We're gonna be dead. We we 1230 01:17:05,359 --> 01:17:08,720 are there for the prequel era, so we're there for the prequel era. 1231 01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:14,119 And then if they we're gonna be old like the the original trilogy folks are 1232 01:17:14,399 --> 01:17:18,399 now, and are we gonna be that that affected by it? Maybe? 1233 01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:21,920 I think you're gonna have the people that were young and there for the sequel 1234 01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:25,800 trilogy and everything that's going on now, they're gonna be the most affected by 1235 01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,640 it. Maybe they're the most okay with it, because I don't know if 1236 01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:30,920 those are the fans that are being very vocal right now or that like that 1237 01:17:31,079 --> 01:17:38,439 era that's with the sequel trilogy and everything right now Disney plus there are they 1238 01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:40,840 too young? Are they going and being vocal online? I don't know the 1239 01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:43,479 ones that are being vocal online right now. I feel like everyone that grew 1240 01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:45,479 up with the prequel trilogy and the ones that are still kicking around from the 1241 01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:53,159 original trilogy. I yeah, I agree. I don't feel like the young 1242 01:17:53,239 --> 01:17:59,159 and sequels are on Twitter too much fighting because like that's a tot and arrow, 1243 01:17:59,159 --> 01:18:00,880 because it's not like I'm not trying to be mean about this, but 1244 01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:04,000 it's not like sequel trilogy could be their Star Wars, but they didn't grow 1245 01:18:04,119 --> 01:18:08,319 They literally didn't grow up with it, right, Like I won't know that 1246 01:18:08,359 --> 01:18:12,359 how my kids are. So it's not like the originals and the prequels have 1247 01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:15,359 people that feel beholden to a certain type of film and type of Star Wars 1248 01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:20,479 right And for me, it's just a question of I'm just wondering if it's 1249 01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:24,840 like the better route to go, you know, I know we live in 1250 01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:29,239 a world of reboots and everything but in this world where they're in a box 1251 01:18:29,279 --> 01:18:32,279 and they can't make people happy everything. Of course they could reboot it and 1252 01:18:32,399 --> 01:18:34,600 people watch and be like, oh, this is shit. The original Star 1253 01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:36,720 Wars is better. But that's why it's like, oh we tell about remake, 1254 01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:40,319 It's like, well, then you have the originals, you know, 1255 01:18:40,359 --> 01:18:44,439 And I just wonder if we and I don't think it would be better because 1256 01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:47,119 I think there's things about this show. This is more about the cannon stuff. 1257 01:18:47,159 --> 01:18:49,600 I think there's things about the show that, no matter what, it 1258 01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:53,439 would not be written well, like lots of the may stuff, other things 1259 01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:56,239 I talked about this episode, but I wonder what the lower stuff if, 1260 01:18:56,279 --> 01:18:59,199 Like, would people care if they said, you know what, you know, 1261 01:18:59,359 --> 01:19:01,479 we've told all the stories. We feel we can here. We want 1262 01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:04,520 to kind of start a new because they, I don't know, they will 1263 01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:06,600 see how much they go in the future with the Ray movie and see if 1264 01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:09,760 they ever do the James of Main Gold movie. So that's why I said 1265 01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:14,079 fifteen. I'm still gonna say I think it depends with Kathy around. I 1266 01:19:14,079 --> 01:19:16,680 think as Kathy's around, not a shot. I think if Kathy's the runner, 1267 01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:21,640 they they won't reboot because she'll feel beholden to George. But when Kathy's 1268 01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:26,600 done around, and I don't even mean in a sense of in like past, 1269 01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:30,520 like in the job, and this is also going to be morbid when 1270 01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:32,920 George isn't around. That to me is another thing of what happens of do 1271 01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:38,000 those original movies that aren't his cuts get released? Do they feel that they 1272 01:19:38,039 --> 01:19:42,079 could do a new Star Wars with a new Haun and a new Lea and 1273 01:19:42,159 --> 01:19:45,840 Luke, or they'll rap up the scripts that they bought from him for the 1274 01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:47,520 original seven eight. Well, they'll use them. They'll use them, They'll 1275 01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:50,399 use them. Yeah, those are new, they'll start from there. George 1276 01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:55,039 wrote it. It can't be bad, but I just wonder if it's might 1277 01:19:55,119 --> 01:19:58,239 be the best route to go. And I'm that's why I said fifteen, 1278 01:19:58,279 --> 01:20:00,239 because I want to see nothing is I honest, see how these movies go. 1279 01:20:00,319 --> 01:20:03,560 But it's like, well, let's get a fucking movie first and ask 1280 01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:05,479 me then. So there's still things I want to see. And I would 1281 01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:11,960 also like to see a lucasfilm that's not run with Kathy Kennedy. I'd like 1282 01:20:12,039 --> 01:20:15,680 her to go retire and you know, enjoy her millions or billions, and 1283 01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:20,000 I have no problem with her as a person. Some producer things and yeah, 1284 01:20:20,039 --> 01:20:23,560 again I've had my issues with Filone. I stilln't think Filonie is a 1285 01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:27,359 guy, and I think unfortunately we're stuck with filoni And there's some certain things 1286 01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:30,399 that even this, there's rumors that he put his fingers into some pots here 1287 01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:33,600 and it's like, eh, I don't know what pots those were, but 1288 01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:35,680 yeah, I don't know. Maybe that's a bread and butter one time. 1289 01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:39,239 If Dylan can't make a bread of butter, or if we ever have a 1290 01:20:39,279 --> 01:20:42,359 longer newscast, maybe we should do something with kurricle in there and have a 1291 01:20:42,399 --> 01:20:45,560 bigger discussion, because I feel like it's worth I'm at the point, how 1292 01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:50,520 where it's worth looking at. Before I wasn't, but now I'm like, 1293 01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:55,000 you know what, I think I'd be fine if we did just completely start 1294 01:20:55,039 --> 01:20:58,000 over and you could do I don't know what you do. I don't know 1295 01:20:58,039 --> 01:21:00,439 if you would sim I remake this sequel the Originals. I don't know if 1296 01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:04,600 you just completely just go refreshing this is Star Wars. I don't know that 1297 01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:09,520 would be a fun conversation. But I feel like I'm more on that side 1298 01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:13,399 now. But again it also doesn't matter what I'm pitching, doesn't matter if 1299 01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:15,720 it's if the writing's like this, it doesn't matter how many times you reboot. 1300 01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:23,439 It's like look at I don't want to say it's like a disparaging way, 1301 01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:25,880 but like look at Amazing Spider Man. Right, people didn't love those 1302 01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,760 movies, so it didn't matter that they rebooted. People were not enjoying that 1303 01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:32,199 version. Then you got the Tom holmands right. So so again I'm just 1304 01:21:32,279 --> 01:21:39,800 going to say this just as my closing thoughts, but you have the Harry 1305 01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:44,840 Potter Show projected what twenty twenty six, Yeah, first Harry Potter. Yeah, 1306 01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:47,239 two years from now, you have the first Harry Potter twenty twenty one. 1307 01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:51,359 So if we Gory Potters twenty twenty one, so it's first so in 1308 01:21:51,399 --> 01:21:56,960 twenty twenty one or two thousand and one. But that's a young movie, 1309 01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:00,119 that is, Yeah, yeah, so that's what it's twenty five years, 1310 01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:04,279 twenty five years. This is the first film and now we're getting a reboot 1311 01:22:04,359 --> 01:22:11,560 basically, So I don't put it past them to do something. They tried 1312 01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:15,039 the sequels or the prequel stuff. They tried that route and it wasn't working, 1313 01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:17,000 and so what's what's the next step. Yeah, you redo it. 1314 01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:20,680 I think unfortunately, though, you'd have to go like twenty five years from 1315 01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:25,359 the last Connuity movie. And I think if they do the Ray movie that 1316 01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:28,479 starts at twenty five years up again, because that's in the future, that's 1317 01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:30,920 almost And I don't know if we haven't talked about this, there's been a 1318 01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:32,479 bunch of sequels that they're calling that episode ten. By the way, have 1319 01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:39,800 you seen that, sorry reword that the Ray movie that's coming to episode ten. 1320 01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:44,680 There's been rumors that's titled Episode ten. I hope it is. I'd 1321 01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:48,079 love that. I really really would. I don't know why I was Skywalker, 1322 01:22:48,199 --> 01:22:51,359 so I mean, Skywalkers are the main films, so let's let's make 1323 01:22:51,359 --> 01:22:55,399 it happen. At one point I was with, ye, now I need 1324 01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:57,680 to wait and see. But I think if you do a ten, then 1325 01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:00,760 it's twenty five years from whenever that movie happens. I think they'll always go 1326 01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:04,000 from not the original, because I would agree we've started over, so I 1327 01:23:04,199 --> 01:23:06,479 know, like I said, we will discuss that, we'll discuss the finale 1328 01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:10,119 and not really in predictions because like we didn't get much more to go off 1329 01:23:10,119 --> 01:23:13,439 than anything we talked about was the ocean may So we'll be back next week. 1330 01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:15,199 I imagine Kirkland should be on that episode with the finale. I'm sure 1331 01:23:15,199 --> 01:23:17,279 he'll find a way to make it there, but who knows. You know, 1332 01:23:17,359 --> 01:23:21,840 we've been trying to get a Twister's red backing on it. Yeah, 1333 01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:26,359 so we'll see, we'll get his thoughts about everything, and then we'll see 1334 01:23:26,399 --> 01:23:30,119 where the show's ranks and overall rating we'll get popping off the chat GPT. 1335 01:23:30,359 --> 01:23:32,800 So yes, no matter what, next week's gonna be fun. And at 1336 01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:35,680 the end of the day, we're talking about this stuff. Please don't pop 1337 01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:39,800 songs. That's not song fun. I don't need any more pop songs and 1338 01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:43,239 stuff. But either way, we're having a fun time here. It's nothing 1339 01:23:43,279 --> 01:23:45,720 too serious. It's just fictional stuff. It's not the end of the world. 1340 01:23:45,079 --> 01:23:49,199 If you fucking hate the show, then just stop watching or watch and 1341 01:23:49,199 --> 01:23:51,439 then just move on. You know that that's all you can do. It's 1342 01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:55,079 it's just a fictional show. It's not gonna it's not gonna hurt you. 1343 01:23:55,159 --> 01:23:59,439 So we will be back next week for the act like finale, and I 1344 01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:03,399 promise you it'll not be boring. May the Force be with you all ways.