Paranormal Dimensions is fortnightly on Mondays on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. It all
began with an incident which occurred in nineteen forty seven. On the afternoon of
June twenty fourth of that year, Kenneth Arnold made the first report on flying
saucers. On this day, Arnold took off from Chehalis, Washington and flew
toward the Rainier Plateau at an elevation between nine and ten thousand feet over Mineral
Washington, he observed a formation of very bright objects to the north. He
radioed ahead that they appeared to be close to the mountaintops and traveling at tremendous
speed. Arnold counted nine objects in echelon formation. He observed that they had
no tails and described them as saucer shaped objects. Hello, this is Nick
Pope and you're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the UK's biggest paranormal
network, and this is Paranormal Dimensions with David Young. Hello, we're welcome
to the show. We're all looking forward to the summer. It's struggling a
little bit at the moment, but we're going to be getting there anyway.
I've got a fantastic guest for you again today. People in the UK will
probably know Dave Hodrien. He's a world narn researcher and speaker, and they
will also be telling you it's about an exciting game that is invented. So
I'm very pleased to present Dave Adrian. Hello, Dave, welcome to the
show. Thank you very much. Love it to be here. It's great
to welcome you to Paran All dimensions. And now I know you've been around
for quite a while. I've seen you talk of probably a couple of times.
Now I'm not seeing you for a few years because I think you sort
of took a colt period. No, I mean investigations have been continuing a
pace, but maybe the conferences that you saw me out have stopped running.
So yeah, there's probably still speaking other ones. Yeah, I've not seen
you anything a lot of weighting or anything. I don't think I've been to
Waken again a number of years ago, but not in the not in recent
years. And it's just just opportunity really and yeah, yeah just in party
are you going this year? And then maybe but I've going to a music
festival within days of it, so oh, I see you're not going on
in August. Oh, I have to watch out for you if you do
to it up. But anyway, oh, yes, as I say,
you'd been investigating UFOs and all sorts of things over the years, whether you
how did you actually get what was your first case? Was it in I
believe it was two thousand and eight, wasn't it early two thousand and eight?
Yeah? Essentially the group Birmingham uf group first came into existence in late
two thousand and seven, and I wasn't always the chairman for the group.
It was initially started by another couple of gents from Quinton in Birmingham, but
I was one of the first people to come across the group online that just
put out an advert and me and my brother found the advert and thought,
this is really great. There's a UFO group that's within Reach'd been really convenient
just go out there and just meet with light minded people. So I started
going to their group meetings, which actually started in the convert of a pub.
Initially, it wasn't even in a functionary they usually don't they so it's
just a nice little gathering just having a chat. But it was about two
or three months after the group had got started that the amen of the group
realized my kind of passion and drive for the subject. Now, on one
of those early meetings, there were four lads had come down in a sort
of mid to late twenties and they'd come down the group and they were talking
about a recent year of fosting that they'd had literally within weeks of talking about
it, and I thought it'd be really good to go actually to the location
where it took place, because I was chatting with them about it and it
sounded great and it was in the Birmingham area, so I thought, O
the bit really interesting to go to the actual location where it happened with the
actual witnesses. Now, it wasn't intended as being an investigation, but when
the chairman of the group found out that I was doing this, I was
going to go to the location. They essentially asked me, would you like
to write it up as a proper sort report for the group, and I'll
say, yeah, absolutely, I'll do that. So on the night itself,
it was a couple of weeks later, just went out to the location
and where this took place was a clearing in a wood in King's Fod,
which is north Birmingham kind of overlooks the area. You can see the lights
of Dudley in the distance, and I've gone there. And what I didn't
tell the witnesses is that I was going to be investigating the case, and
I didn't warn them in advance that I was going to take them to one
side at certain points of the night and interview them in depth about what had
happened. And because it's it's better to go in just blindly like that.
Of course, now there were for them involved, for witnesses, and yeah,
we went to the clearing where the incident happened, which I go over
in a minute, and then at a certain point in the night, I
took them all to one side and the essentially got the details of what had
happened and also got them to draw the what had been seen. But yeah,
so yeah, when it's happened, it was it was actually the tenth
of March, I think March, tenth of February, sorry, tent of
February in two thousand and eight, and a lot of evenings what they would
do is they would go to this particular clearing in this woods just to hang
out the bother bomb fire sit around it. They'd occasionally have a couple of
drinks, but I will put out there I didn't think that alcohol was anything
to do with what happened at all. So they've gone out and they were
just relaxing around this fire. And it got to about eleven o'clock at night.
Now, obviously due to the fact of his February, it was fully
dark, quite a chilly night, but also very very clear with the view
of the stars and kings went for the areas known as Ridgewood, and it's
to the west you can see over Emville and Kinber areas, and it because
it's up on the slope, you get a nice view of the surroundings.
And then on the other way to the east is the lights of Dudley in
the distance. So they're out there in this wood, bun them selves around
this bonfire, and one of them, also coincidentally named Dave, gets up
and walks to the edge of the wood just to kind of have a look
around. Is just relaxing, and in the distance across over towards Mville,
he sees a glowing orb of mixed colored lights. He thinks it was like
white and red and a bit of blue in there. Now obviously, if
you're seeing colored lights in the distance, even though blue isn't a standard navigation
like that you get on aircraft, you're obviously going to think as a distant
aircraft or helicopter. And it was just moving along, just moving slowly to
the left like that, so it would have been coming down south. He
realized that it was also it simply quite low down, sort of lower than
a helicopter might fly out. And he also realized it was actually getting closer.
It was actually moving towards them. As it was coming in, it
kind of altered course, so it was going to the left, and then
he realized it was sort of coming more their direction. And as he got
nearer, he thoughted and looked right at all. Doesn't look like a normal
aircraft in any way. So he calls over his friends, the other three
witnesses. They're all watching this thing approach, and when they got a good
look at it, what they described was an octagonal shaped black disc essentially so
like a flattened octagon, had numerous lights. In the base of it,
there was a central white lights and then around the edge four of the lights.
So there's quite a few cases of flying triangles where triangular shoutcraft with lights
at the corners, a scene of investigating many cases of those over the gears,
but this was octagonal. But again it had the lights positioned kind of
around the outer edges and this central light. And it came in and they
realized it was completely completely silent. As it got near it, it started
to ascend to keep in the altitude with the edge of the hill, and
it came in and they moved back to the clearing as it approached, and
it literally went over their heads. It went over the top of the clearing,
and as it was going over it actually slowed down a bit, for
you said, for a few seconds, almost like it was jacking the mount,
and then it sped up again and kind of carried on eastward across the
across the wood. Now, of course they want to keep keep an eye
on this thing, because what on earth it is. Obviously it's very strange.
They think it was about sort of thirty or forty foot across a quite
a sizable thing, and they could see above the trees, and it certainly
appeared low enough that if it had been making sound, they would have heard
it. They semed to be completely silent, and in talking with them about
this, lots of little anecdotal details came out, like one of the witnesses
he actually tripped over your tree branch. Could quite dark out there in the
forest, so he's running through the woods and he accidentally tripped over a tree
branch and hurt his ankle and that sort of thing. So there was these
little anecdotal details that kind of rang true of me as being a real case.
They got to the edge of the wood and they watched this thing move
off in the distance of Dudling, and at this point they it's really interesting.
They said that they watched it for hot half an hour, so they
all what felt like half an hour to them, for an extended period of
time essentially so, and in a distance, it just looked like a helicopter
or something like that, like a patrol helicopter. Now it's entirely possible that
maybe at some point they got modeled up with a helicopter and we're watching a
helicopter at a distance. Maybe, but to their knowledge, they didn't lose
track of it. They just watched it move away and then they could see
us like sort of moving backwards and forwards over the housing, and they watched
it for quite a period of time. After a while, they actually left
the area with the objects still visible in the distance, which is incredible.
And two of the witnesses actually saw it again on the way home from a
different angle, looked at the same direction, and it was still over there
to their knowledge. So that's kind of the That's the first case that I
officially investigated for the group, because what I did is it wrote out the
details of what happened, got them to do drawings and everything, which they
are all correlated very very well. There was slight differences between them. You
get that where multiple witness cases always will be like minor differences, not just
for UFOs with anything. So say ten people watch a car crash and the
police investigate them, there's going to be minor differences between their different recollections of
events somewhat similar. But I was very very I was very impressed with the
case. It certainly came across very believable. The witnesses did not appear to
be making it up, like they fabricated a story in advance. And yeah,
I wrote out a detailed case report, and that essentially became the first
case report that I put out for Birmingham UFO Group. So from that point
onwards, in early two thousand and eight, I've been the official investigator for
the group. In i'm a two thousand and nine I got taken on as
the chairman of the group as well. For the original chairman. It was
a kind of short term thing. It requires quite a lot of dedicated time
and effort to do this on a regular basis and keep the group running alongside
all the investigator work. And they knew I'd be the right person for the
job, so they handed over the chairman responsibilities. They still came down the
meetings from time to time. Occasionally they'll turn up our monthly meetings. And
since then I've also taken on two other investigators who assist with certain cases or
i'd say about over the cases are still investigated and documented by myself. Well,
is just a lot going on there that you see? Yeah, so,
I mean cases are still happening. There was one literally from the start
of March in bell Broughton of a flying triangle, large large black triangular craft
went straight over somebody's house and continued southward. Know if let's say it didn't
change course, it would have literally flown right across be brought in town center.
So it's possible there's other witnesses out there who have either yet to come
forward or maybe confided in somebody else. The problem is with the with your
first subject is there's so many different groups and investigating their own cases. It's
very hard to tell because there's no definite database where it's all stored, whether
something's on record or not. And of course a lot of people tend to
keep experiences to themselves, so yeah, because the ridiculed that. Yeah,
so they might confide in the family of friends, but they won't reach out
to a researcher like myself to get it officially documented. But the individual that
this it was actually two witnesses with this one. It was an elderly chap
and his carer and the key witness. He actually had a background in aviation,
really like going to air shows and that sort of thing. So it
was it was very impressed by the by the sighting of this thing that went
right of his house. In you it wasn't a normal aircraft and also it
definitely wasn't it was a solid singular objects. So some flying triangle sizings can
be of course, three lights that just happened to be in a triangular formation,
and people will kind of fill in the gaps essentially and imagine some sort
of triangular shout craft. But the Phoenix lights I think were a bit like
that, weren't they. Yeah, Yeah, it's an interesting one because there
was some of the witnesses actually actually said it was separate objects and of close
and then other ones actually said it that it was a solid boomerangs checks thing.
And I actually, I actually investigated a case of a new witness with
a military background, believe or not, went on the record from seeing the
Phoenix lights. It's the first time I've spoken with somebody because obviously there's hundreds
of people were involved in that case of hundreds of witnesses of this thing or
whatever it was. And I was hoping that one day I'd be able to
speak with at least one one witness of the Phoenix lights incident. And it
was a couple of years ago. I was investigating a case with a so
the gentleman had a military background, but he actually had lots of UFO and
contact experiences since childhood, coincidentally alongside this sighting of the Phoenix lights. But
yeah, he came forward, and it was really interesting speaking to him.
Where he had actually seen it was between Phoenix and Tuscan, So after it
had gone over, the air of Phoenix had continued kind of southeast direction,
roughly close to the main road, and he'd been out shopping for the day
in Phoenix and they were driving back home to Tuscan and he actually saw the
craft from a kind of US say craft, you know, obviously people have
different opinions, but whatever it was, Ufo saw the thing from a side
perspective and he said it was definitely a solid thing. He said, you
could see it blocking out the stars. And he didn't say he didn't see
the proper sort of v shape of it because he was viewing it from a
side perspective, so he could see that there's kind of large, largest object
with a number of white lights towards the right hand side, which would have
been on the leading edge of the thing, because the lights were actually moving
in unison, which would leave to a lot of solid look. Yes,
absolutely, yeah, so's it's very very interesting. I mean, with his
military background, obviously he'd be very familiar with seeing both military and civilian aircraft
and knowing how to identify them at different distances and everything. He was actually
work, He was actually working on one of the military bases in the vicinity
of Phoenix at the time, but he'd taken a week off and had gone
out shopping on the day of the incident, so he actually wasn't on the
base. But when he got back to the base a few days later,
he actually checked it with his officers, et cetera, and that's where he
found out that it wasn't theirs. When he first saw it, he thought,
this has got to be some kind of classified military thing. We've got
to know what this is. And he actually didn't tell his wife that while
he was looking at because he was in the car. He'd gone out and
saw this thing, and he didn't tell her because he thought when he saw
it, he thought, this has got to be classified. I shouldn't be
looking at this. And when he got back to the base a few days
later after the end of his break period, that's where he found out that
they that it wasn't launched by them or anything, and he realized that it
was anomalous and he certainly seemed to put it down to an off world craft
of some kind. Yeah, yeah, I think the amazing thing with me.
As we know in the in the in the States, they've got lots
of air force spaces already, the desert areas, Like in a scheme of
things, you've got a lot of what sends um area fifty. Well,
and if you like all these plots sort of places. So I mean,
would you what's your opinion of somebody's triangular Do you think some of them could
actually be our our craft? Yeah, I'll say ours in the general term,
you know what I mean. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, So I
think that, yeah, at least some of them are going to be human
flown things, either kind of some black projects or people misidentifying military craft like
stealth aircraft for for something other. But alongside that, I think that some
of them definitely aren't. So I've dealt with numerous contact cases where people where
people have described flying triangles just like that, and I actually been taken up
into them and had abduction type experiences with non human energies aboard. So,
and there's other cases on record I'm directly investigated, but cases I'm aware of
where people have seen these things landed on the ground and seen non human energies
around them on the ground. So it certainly appears that at least some of
them are non human, And now I'm quite cautious with how I describe things,
so my personal viewpoint of what's going on with this, I certainly believe
that there's multiple types or species. There seems to be of these beings.
They appear to be working together towards common agendas, so there's some sort of
agreement going on between them. Their exact origin, my personal opinion is the
most likely explanation is that they are extraterrestrial but also possess extremely advanced characteristics like
extra dimensional type of bill is. There's there's numerous reasons for why I believe
that, from some of the things that I've been told by experiences over the
years, to the kind of vast technology on display and some of the characteristics
of the things. But obviously there's a lot of different opinions on the exact
origins. Some people believe that they're actually from our future and a center back
by future givements, or even our future humans. But I think the important
thing to realize is that it's going on and that it's not human in origin,
unless so the exact the exact origin, there's so many unanswered questions with
this, And even if let's say, for example, there's a contact experience
and somebody has an abduction and they see grays aboard, for example, and
the grays telepathically speak with them, and they tell them we're from this particular
statists, and remember, they'll show them a map of it, or they'll
get a vision in the head of the home planet or whatever. Yeah,
how do we know that the beings are telling the truth? Well, yeah,
there's always there. Yeah, And because they can do very advanced things
like implanted memories in people's heads, show them visions that appear to be real
and everything, even change their own their own appearance or the appearance of their
craft using screen memories, there's definitely a covert level going on with this.
You know. I don't believe that they want the human race to openly know
about what's happening, about what they're doing. Now. There are, of
course lots of cases where where things have been seen, but I think that
a lot of the time that's accidental. There's a lot of cases on record
where they appear to have been seen in very rural areas or in the dead
of night, and often the person is kind of on their own, or
the witnesses are on their own and nobody else happened to be around. Now,
sometimes there's oddities with that, like times distortion and this sort of thing.
There's so many advanced aspects to this subject, and there's a lot of
unanswered questions. But yeah, my viewpoints, I come at it from a
positive light, as in it's really genuinely going on. But I'm also quite
grounded with it, and I think you have to be because the majority of
things that are seen them gone Monday and explanations, And I've spoken with so
many people over the years where they've just gone down the rabbit hole with this
subject, you know, and they just think that like literally everything is like
a spacecraft. There's so many things out there that are flying around, and
even in more modern years, for example, we've obviously got drones, so
a number of years ago it sold pre two thousand and fifteen, Yeah,
drones weren't commercially available. They were still being used by the military, but
they weren't commercially available yet. But in the past, somebody could have reported
seeing a kind of glowing red light or lights that shot sideways suddenly stopped dead,
made a really fast vertical ascent and then zipped away like a pullet.
Yeah, sounds amazing, doesn't It sounds incredible. It's not classic ufootype details
there now. In the past that would have seemed very, very impressive.
But today, if subody tells me that, then it's entirely possible that what
they've seen is a distant drone. Yeah, because and after dark, obviously
you lose all kind of bearing us to have far away from the from from
you objects are because there's no point of reference. So sometimes a kind of
smaller object closer can appear like a much bigger object to a great distance.
Absolutely right. There were lots of cases like Unfortunately that's what we face now,
isn't it as a You know, if you're doing research, you've got
to look at the drone aspect of it now. Yeah, could it have
been a drone? Yeah, apart from all the different aircraft that you see.
I mean, I mean, I'll tell you I thought back in the
nineteen sixty seven I mean, I said on this show several times I saw
a big oval orange object and across the night score which was pulsating. There's
all different shades of orange. It seems like we don't see so many of
these. Oh no, they are still seen, I think, all these
orange objects and things, but it seems to be that the triangular object seems
to have taken over as being the number one object now that gets seen.
Would you agree with it? Yeah, I think that part I think partially
the reason for that is the ban on sky lanterns. So a lot of
the orange orbs sightings from the past that I've investigated our previous years. If
you go back through my case files and they go back to the early years,
like one in every three cases at least was orange orbs. Yeah,
I can guarantee this one wasn't because yeah, absolutely, Yeah. I mean
I've dealt with some cases involving orange glowing orbs of light. The performed very
intelligent maneuvers, you know, have followed people for a number of miles,
changing direction when they change direction, that sort of thing. So straight away,
with those sort of cases, you can rule out lanterns. Yeah,
but there's a lot of cases, and there's even been some more recently.
You don't really you don't get as much anymore because obviously because of the fire
risks, they've stopped set. Yeah, so there's a lot less cases of
orange orbs these days because of that, but you still get them occasionally,
and of course people still have them stored away. Like the last New Year
I saw, you know, there was a little couple still in the sky,
nothing like the great numbers that we used to get it. There's always
going to be somebody breaking the rules, that's right, yes, absolutely,
yeah, so you know they might have kept them away in the garage and
they're like, oh, let's finally light it, so people will still see
it. But these days, obviously you've got things like Starlink now as well,
which again is muddy in the water is quite a lot. So when
these starling launches happen, of which has been multiple, of course, I
almost always will get at least one signing reports of them, and some of
them have been quite dramatic into where people be like, oh my god,
there's a there's an armada of space. They're all coming across the sky one
after the other. It's definitely intelligent, you know, so shows there that
if you don't know what you're looking at, if you don't know what starlink
is, and you don't know that they all launched together and do follow along
a straight course until they kind of spread out with their own rockets. You
can see how you can see how that would look impressive to some people.
Another recent example, while we're on the subject of kind of mundane objects,
up near Stoke ONMS Trends, there's a there's an events center and they sometimes
shine these massive search lights into the air, and when they hit the cloud
layer there there are in a circular shape. Now, if you don't know
what you're looking at, it can look extremely impressive, and you might view
it as a large disc shaped craft hidden in the clouds and you're just seeing
the lights coming through the clouds, whereas an actual fact is just an events
engine and search lights. So again it's with each case you have to kind
of just look at the aspects iron and not just what's seen, how it's
moved, the lighting conditions, everything, background of the individual, how it
easily swayed they are, whether they're looked into the UFOs subjects. Because let's
say there's an individual and they've never really haven't gotten interest in UFOs. Yeah,
they might have seen a couple of episodes of X Files or something like
that, but them they're not really into the subject properly that can come across
as far more believable than somebody who's just been looking into the subject for years
knows exactly what to look for. Maybe they're purposely looking at every night,
desperate to see something with their own ey. Yeah. So when they say
they're going to be more easily this way, did they see something mundane,
They're going to be like, oh my god, finally how to go a
phase sighting? Um, And they can get quite protective of that as well.
So I've spoke with people, well I've told them categorically that they've seen
a drone or they've seen a Chinese lantern or whatever, and they just won't
have it, like no, no, no, it's definitely a spacecraft.
And I'm like, well, oh yeah, I mean you couldn't even certificate,
you know, like you say, it could be it's a dimensional craft
for all you know. But well yeah, well yeah, yeah, yeah,
well a craft, yeah, absolutely, certain advanced craft exactly. So
it's um yeah, So it's very very difficult. People get set in their
ways and if they see something, they want it to be something unusual.
Among the time. If somebody sees something that there's impressed them and they think
is a bit unusual. They they might kind of embellish kind of how it
was. That said, I've dealt with quite a few cases where people have
seen things proper close proper structured objects don't don't disk flying triangles, spheres are
tic TACs. I mean obviously up until a few years ago they were called
cigars, were referred to them a cigar craft and essentially tik taks a cigar
a rounded end. Yeah, that's what I mean. Tig taxs. We're
quite bigger to sixties, weren't they not, the sigar shaped teams. Yeah.
And also if you look at a surcer from sideways, he looks like,
as well, you've got that as all? Yeah, and then's yeah,
I mean talking about that. Yeah, the same as with orbs.
So after dark, obviously, if there's a craft at a distance and it's
it's glowing, it's just going to bleed into and just look like a glowing
orb. So they're going to describe a glowing orb unless it gets within range
and they can actually see its actual true shape. So I think that that
is why glowing orbs are one of them more commonly described types, probably one
of the most common I've never done any exact count, but I believe that
the cases I've investigated the most common type. Again, it's going to be
clothing orbs. And then obviously you've got spheres as well as in the daytime,
they're not going to be clothing, although they can so they can obviously
reflect the sunlight. But then a lot of the sphere sightings would easily be
drifting, drifting milo bloomed. But again it's all it's all down to the
movement. It's as much down to the movement as it is appearance of the
object. In some way it's more interesting and and and more compelling in a
way. So somebody sees a sphere and it's hovering for a couple of minutes
and then all of a sudden shoots offer thousands of miles an hour and just
straight up or off into the distance. Yeah, balloon, I'll tell you
so. Very interesting. More wife, when we were living in Suffolk,
it was a Sunday, I know, it was a Sunday and it was
yeah, it was really hot. We're sitting on our sun dick outside and
all of a sudden we're worse or like objects up in the sky. If
you said what are those? And there's like three objects in a triangular shape
at it's your days on and then behind find it boy or I don't know
how far. It was quite a big gap. There was another three you
were all going all together. So what they were I don't know they were
this is daytime, but they were like white white help jects. Yeah,
sohen you've got the ideas on that. No, No, I mean obviously
you do get some you do get some novelty balloons and that sort of thing,
but it all depends on me. They seem to me, why control,
they seem to be very very high you know, yes, yeah,
interesting, I mean obviously you could have kind of there's flights of aircraft as
well. At a very high altitude, you're gonna it's gonna lose their definition
and just like kind of white sort of triangular or white dots. Yeah,
well you think you'd hear those? Because I were relieved. It was very
quiet. There was no there was no sound of any jets or anything.
You think that six jets would make a head of a wrecket going of course
the store? Well absolutely, yeah, and the white color is interesting as
well. I've done I've dealt with a few cases there were the white white
colored objects. Was a white flying triangle case from from wild Back I remember
had a red red light one corner, blew it in one corner and green
at the other corner, and really interesting and that one was that one was
on the coast and now the witness actually watched it sort of fly out to
see them. Interesting. Yeah, some odd things going on. Yeah,
so there's some other things. Well, one one evening we had some young
puppies. Obably they're grown up now, but when we had their puppies,
we had to take them outside in the evening to sort of a week before
bid and everything again. But what saw these two pods flying across the sky.
They look like gray pods flying across the sky. They were light at
all. Yeah, and I couldn't see him at first. Well see I
don't have she spoiled them, but but they looked like they were flying in
Unison. So we're going which which the actually were going. I think they
were going Northwoods. Yeah, but yeah, they were like gray because you
could just barely make them out, you know, there were no lights on
at all. So that was that was another strange one. But I don't
know if you've heard things like that, things without lights on. Yeah,
yeah, absolutely, Yeah, So i'man lot of the time after dark obviously,
the only the only way people genuinely genuinely see them is when they're when
they're glowing. Yeah, so, or they can sometimes see things blocking out
the stars, like we mentioned the Phoenix lights and that was a bit like
that. But yeah, and then sometimes there's a cloud lay and kind of
make out objects against that after dark. But obviously most non lit sightings are
going to be kind of daylight sightings, and a lot of the time the
objects don't seem to kind of have glowing lights on them during the day time,
but when they are, they can sometimes you can sometimes be people can
be convinced there's lights where it's actually a reflection of sunlight. As a very
good, very good example of that from a while back, it was actually
a so what they described was a long, cylindrical shaped craft with flashing rainbow
colored lights along as I thought, wow, that's very interesting, Sam to
the wild. I mean they speak with them, they said, yeah,
I've got it on video as well. I was, ah, fantastic,
and they can you send me the video footage? Yeah? Sure, So
they email me through the video footage, and essentially what it was was a
solo airship, which a lot of people still don't know what those are.
They're quite rare. You can buy them online in front of events or ten
pound. They are massive, long, black color, usually black colored balloons
that fill up in the with the hot air and the summer's dan drift up
into the sky. Now, usually they're going to be tethered like a kite,
but sometimes they can break from a break off and if there's a wind
that they'll they'll spiral. So I've dealt with some cases where people have seen
them rotating and moving across the sky, but if it's still, but often
they'll turn vertical and they'll just sit vertical in the sky. Yeah. So
if you don't know what you're looking at, you're like, what on earth
is that? Yeah? Yeah, absolutely so. And what it was was
the sunlight was glinting off it, making these rainbow colored flashes of light that
they were interpreting as lights on the craft. And I went back to them
and told that's what it was. They looked it up online and they said,
yeah, I agree, and they were fine with that explanation. So,
yeah, there's been even a few professionals been taken in by flying balloons.
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's very there's a there's a lot
going on out there, you know, and if you see something that you're
not used to seeing on a daily basis, or even it is something normal
like an aircraft, that you're viewing it in particular lighting conditions, from a
particular direction or whatever, it can look very impressive. So you have to
remain kind of quite granded with the subject and I consider myself quite grounded,
while at the same time certainly believing that it's genuine and going on on a
global level. Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, that was some very very impressive
cases every the gears. Yeah, well you're like you're saying you mentioned about
the triangular craft. I mean they've been seeing all over the world as well.
It's just an American thing or a UK thing. It's actually everywhere.
Yeah, you've got one written down here July not in it, you're Knowine
off the coast of Grease actually appy. Yeah, Yeah, that was an
incredible case that that came my way just a couple of a couple of years
ago. It involved an ex aircraft mechanic who as he is essentially retired from
his position in the Greek Air Force. It took a lot of time to
gain his trust. He was very, very cautious because the incident that he
wanted to discuss with me was classified and is to this day classified. Now,
once I've spoken him with him for a long while, I kind of
essentially convinced him that I wasn't going to just pass out his name and that
sort of thing to the news or anything like that. And he then opened
up, and obviously I had to get background check on him, and to
get his background check, he actually sent me photographs of his actual uniform with
his name on and he also sent photographs of himself actually on the air base
where the incident happened. Now, he wouldn't let me put the uniform pictures
in the case report. He said those were for me only. As I
say, was ratios a lot of trust involved in absolutely, But the cases
on the air on the airbase are actually in the report with his face blackdown.
He allowed me to put those in there. So with his background confirmed,
we started to discuss what happened. Now, this incident happened back in
nineteen eighty six and it involved him and his entire squadron as twelve people.
So a squad was made up of four aircraft mechanics, four pilots and four
weapons experts, and their particular squadron was essentially there were training exercises, yes,
so on the base they would essentially do these test operations and imagine that
a foreign power had invaded and then they'd have to act like it was a
live thing. So just an exercise. And during while he was stationed in
these exercises, they would essentially sit at one end of the base and the
u western end of the runway, just in a building, and they had
night duty, so they did there together, just chatting eight the night and
of course most times nothing would happen. Yeah, and then occasionally while they're
on shift, they do one of these false alarms and they'd all have DApps
like they were being attacked and get airborne as fast as possible, et cetera.
Well, on this particular night, by the way, the base,
he wouldn't allow me to say the name of the base, as I say,
very shifty, but it's a large base on the east coast of Greece,
and if you go looking on the Rushington yeah, exactly so, but
I'm not you know, yeah, whatever he's requested not to go out,
we'll not go out obviously for myself. So essentially, they were in this
building and it was about half past midnight, and they were doing a shift
change, so him and one of the other mechanics were changing over see,
the other mechanic had been outside with the planes. He'd been sitting inside,
and they had a shift change. He steps outside and the other one goes
in. For rest lovely clear night. He said, these stars were out
and everything, and looking looking to the east, right along the main the
main baseviously, right down the central strip, about five hundred yards away,
he sees several lights in a triangular formation. Now this time there were red
lights, So red lights in the triangular shape. I thought, that's weird.
It seemed to be about over the middle of the runway, just pretty
much central on the base, about five hundred yards from their position to the
east. And it was hovering sort of several hundred feet up, so not
massively higher up either, you know, no, you said no higher than
I think it was no higher than a thousand feet. So we're not talking
about something rider pire like an aircraft. It was more like a helicopter sort
of height. So he calls out the rest of his squadron to see this
and points it out and they're listening and they can't hear any sound or anything,
and these three lights are just hovering there motionless. Now, they couldn't
see the main body of the object with the distance, but he said that
there was a slight movement going on with the three lights, and it's all
intents and purposes. He said it was a singular object even though they couldn't
see it because it was darker. So it hovers there for a couple of
minutes without moving, and then without warning, shoots off like a bullet,
just goes bang like that after the east and they lose it in the space
for a second. So it wasn't like it vanished and they didn't see it
leave. They all saw it go and saw it fly off a thousands of
miles an hour to the horizon instantly. That sort of movement capability essentially completely
removes any any mundane explanation pretty much. Yeah, it was certainly something very
anomalous. Now at this point when they see this or what on earth was
that? And they think that the alarms are going to go off from the
base because they think, well, they're going to have this thing on radar
and they're going to launch the jets to intercept it or whatever. Nothing,
there's no alarm goes off or anything. So they go back inside their building
and they're all talking about what they've just seen and I think it must have
been seen by other people on the base, why they detected it and that
sort of thing, and there was nothing at all. So it comes to
the end of their shift about six in the morning, and they go back
to their barracks for a sleepier and there's another another squadron kind of takes their
place when they wake up that the following afternoon, they all get called to
the superior's office and when they go down there, he essentially starts by saying
to them, we're aware that you saw something last night, and what he
claimed it was was a test of a new type of air wax aircraft.
Yeah, that's the ones of the large round radar. This is on the
top. So in other words, absolutely nothing like what they saw. Because
the wax aircraft have to continuely move because they're an airplane that helicopter, they
don't look like three red lights in a triangular formation, and they definitely do
not have a stationary and then shoot off into the distance. Now, they
were all aware that this wasn't what they'd seen, but so they didn't question
them. And he then tells them it's it's classified. He said, do
not tell even your families about this incident, and he hadn't. He never
told anybody until he spoke with me a couple of years ago. As I
say, it was very, very shifting back on record, I'll put it
out there. No, I haven't had any negative repercussions from doing so.
It's I think it's the only case I've investigated over the years that's officially classified
to this day. All the other cases, even the other military ones,
have investigated and there's no classification on them, but this one's definitely classified.
Now, there is a slight oddity that happened with this case, which is
really weird, and I don't I try not to jump to conclusions with it.
It's interesting. So I store all the cases I've investigated over the last
fifteen years. I'm my home computer. Obviously, I've got backups and that
sort of thing. He goes to the house far or whatever. Anyway,
So I've got them all laid out, of course, and I've dealt with
so many cases over the years, I have to kind of be very organized
with it. Otherwise I just forget what was where. So I had to
folder with all the photographs, including including the ones who sent me of his
uniform and all that. And one day, it was a few months after
I'd released the case reportment being a website, one of my friends were interested
in the case and wanted to wanted to see the photos from the from the
base and that sort of thing. Yea. So I was like, okay,
let me just get them up for you here. And I go to
the folder and that particular folder is not their computer, just that one.
So and I'm thinking, okay, could I drag that accidentally into another FOLDI
I do search, It's not on the computer anywhere. Yeah, Now on
my machine, if I put something to the recycling it a bring of a
warning message. I don't recall ever getting a warning message. Now, if
I had gone to the BOOFAG website and that case had been gone off the
boofoag website as well, I would have been straight away. I would have
been a hundred percent I've been hacked and then remove the case on purpose.
It was still on the the report was still there, so I managed to
extract the photographs and that sort of thing and getting back on the computer that
way. Not the uniform ones, I think they're pretty much gone forever,
but all the other ones that went out in the report. But yeah,
it was just it was interesting thing. Yeah, I'm not I'm not going
to jump to conclusions and say there was any kind of hacking involved, because
it's very easy to get paranoled with this subject. And it still particular that
particular case. I was like, really, why is that folder gone?
And there it was. It's probably just go incidence. I'm just going to
put it down to that. Or they're still lurking around somewhere in a file.
Some you have a come a crou I mean I knew the names of
the file, so I was doing a search and I couldn't find them,
So that's a renamed I don't know. Scary though it must worry. I
mean, it's it's not outside the realms of questioning that my group and other
groups around the country are being monitored and watched by select groups that it's known
for US as you know, some people have got actual evidence of that in
the past, that they've that they've been monitoring certain things. And I remember
seeing an official document many years back. This was it was a chat show
that was on in the UK and they managed to get the feedom information out
the transcript of it, and at the top of the transcript was a list
of addresses where this transcript of this program had gone to, and it included
the White House, included the Ministry of Defense, it included lots of other
kind of very powerful companies, included the CIA, It included other companies that
never heard of before, just unknown groups from individuals. Now, why on
earth would as far as it will throw them, Well, yeah, yeah,
But the fact that they'd requested they'd requested the transcript from this program in
the UK of all places, so it wasn't even like it was in the
same country. So it shows there that behind the scenes, you know,
evidence like that proves essentially that behind the scenes, there are people keeping tabs
on this subject and what and what goes. Oh yeah, but most of
the time they don't really care. You know, the majority of cases,
they don't care whether they go public or not. They're probably thinking that people
are going to either not believe it, or they're going to be kind of
fence city about it, or they're going to believe it. It's it's it
doesn't really. Most of the time they're only going to cover up ones involving
the military or or involving a kind of military exercise of some kind. Now,
it was interesting that that folder vanished and this was a classified military in
case. So I don't but I'm not going to jump to conclusions to say
it was anything. I I think it's safe to sell. I think we're
all all this somewhere. Well, yeah, if you're in this subject,
I think somewhere, and I don't. I don't mind that at all.
It doesn't, it doesn't really. I've never they've never kind of interacted me
in a negative way or told me not to not to do what I'm doing
or anything like that. You know, it would take quite a bit to
kind of stop me from doing what I'm doing because I kind of feel like,
in a way, it's my duty to do to do what I do.
Now, it's I've been doing this so long now, and I knew
right back from growing up, you know, through my teams, and that
that it would be amazing to be on the front lines of this subject.
Anybody. Anybody can do it. Anybody can do it, anybody an investigator.
It just requires time and effort and also just kind of knowledge that is
gained through speaking with people and about the different things that are seen and the
alternatives, the alternative explanations for certain Yeah. Yeah, well that's that's one
of my biggest regrets day. What I used to do when I was growing
up. I mean I was first came into the subjects, well, I
was probably about sixteen, that's probably most of us did. But all I
used to do was saved like newspaper cuttings and put me in scrapbooks. Through
that sort of stuff, I never really sort of got into the But I
wish now that I've got further into doing investigations and stuff right from back then,
you know. I mean, really I've fallen into this radio show that
by accident, as it happens, for the last few years. But I
really wish I've done a lot more research in my younger years. So what
I'm doing now, you know, I mean, I've, like most of
us, we've all just been sort of interested in the subjects and stuff like
that. Fascinated. I mean, I've always been fascinated in other areas of
the paranormal as well, just the histories of the world, you know,
I've always I've always believed that there's a lot more than what mainstream science admits
is going on around them, and UFOs is just one aspect of that.
Now there's obviously it's like a big interlocking puzzle. There's all sorts of all
sorts of cross between UFOs and other areas of the paranormal, especially when you
get into the contact phenomena, all sorts of paranormal elements to that, and
people experiencing things which you'd usually put down to kind of ghost type phenomena instead
of instead of UFOs, and you wouldn't even associate it with UFOs. It's
only the fact that they're having these experiences alongside. So there's the interesting Felger
ask you something, yet, do you see any connections between other paranormal events,
you know, look the sort of coincide with UFOs, because I mean,
you know what your your opinion is, But I've found a lot of
connections now between UFO events and other paranormal the bits. Yeah, yeah,
I couldn't see those connections years ago. But yeah, because because I've spoken
to lots of people like yourself and other people I'm Mead on the show,
and I've also seen these these comparisons for self, you know, these these
things that what's your opinion on that? Yeah, I mean, especially especially
with contact. Yeah, so with UFAs sightings, Yeah, as in,
somebody see something in the distance and it's not interacting with them in any way.
Yeah, that seems almost more like accidental, you know, like that
has happened to be the right place at the right time when you get contacts
involved. So people are experiencing visitations of abductions or whatever. Yeah, in
over eighty five percent the last time I did account I did. I sometimes
do counts of the cases to find out percentages of different things. Yeah,
and the last time I did account, over eighty five percent of the contact
cases I'd investigated were also experiencing paranormal type events around their home, so be
that kind of clon, small glowing walves of lights, electrical failures around their
house, moving objects, shadow beings, shadow beings very very common. Yeah,
that's right. Yeah, and then obviously with shadow beings they're kind of
seeing a kind of humanoid type form, but just kind of like black mist.
Yeah. Now some people will see this like when they were asleep in
they wake up. Yeah. Now it's difficult because you do get elements of
sleep paralysis that can cause certain things like that. Yeah, so you can
have visual hallucinations with sleep paralysis. But there's also very very big differences between
contact experiences and sleep paralysis experiences. So with sleep paralysis, for example,
individuals never leave the environment that they're in. So if some of these undergoing
sleep prolysis, they may see weird kind of visions around the room, They
may hear strange sounds like buzzing and clicking noises, they may feel like their
bodies being pulled in a particular direction. Yeah, but what they won't do
is they won't lift up off the bed, float through a wall or a
window up into a waiting you. As soon as you're act, as soon
as you're going away to another environment. It's not sleep paralysis. Even though
even though a lot of the time people are paralyzed. Now, I think
that crossover is because of the paralysis thing, which which I believe is done
on purpose to prevent the person from sort of fighting back or hurting themselves.
Maybe now, But again there's there's all these kind of misconceptions of contact yet
because some people believe that with contact there's always sleep paralysis, you know,
there's a person's always paralyzed. That's not true at all. I've dealt with
lots of doctrinal experiences where people are not paralyzed at all, where they can
move freely, and a lot of the time you find that with those cases
they are more accepting of their experiences. Yeah, it's almost like the beings
trust them more and trust that they're not going to attack them or run off
around the ship or whatever, so they don't paralyze them. That's just a
theory I've god, it's not necessarily true. It's just it's just something I've
noticed with the with the cases. So it might be that they do it
to prevent if a person's panicking or everything, they'll they'll shut them down so
they can't move and escape from the experience, which of course can be very
traumatic to the individual. The probably the most yeah, troubling and difficult part
of what I do is with that is with speaking with people that have really
been deeply affected by the subject it's it's far more serious than than put out.
It breaks relationships apart. I've I've delt case a lot of delt with
cases where people have been have had ongoing depression from it and lasting phobias as
sometimes related to their experiences directly. And it's yeah, really it really does
mess with people. And because they can't even tell, because even their family
or friends can't really relate to what they're experiencing because they haven't had had experiences
themselves. It's very very difficult for people, and they it's it's sometimes a
lot of people when they speak with me, they just like the fact that
don't take the mick out of them. I don't call him another or anything.
And I taught with them in all seriousness about their experiences, you know,
and again I won't I won't try to push them down any particular viewpoints
or anything. I'll I'll just tell them how their experiences fit into the wider
contact phenomena and let them make their own minds up on whether they're experiencing alien
beings or whether it's something else entirely. Yeah, I know one of the
cases you deal were funny enough. I did mention to this or f here.
I've just had a show with Dave, who was part of the Cosmosis
group. Yes, and you were involved in that, weren't you for a
few years back. Yeah. It was a big case of really really His
report has about thirty or so experiences in it, which is quite a lot.
It's the length of small booker scage reporters him and his friends. It
was interesting because when I spoke with him, it kind of branched out to
his local friends and then other acquaintances that had also been kind of other witnesses,
and some of his experiences and some of the things that he experience were
very impressive. Yeah, so so up close visitations by Nordics, humanoid beings,
and also other bizarre incidents. I don't know, he probably went over
the landing incident with the with the line of humanoids field. Yes, now
that's really fascinating. I mean, what was going on with that very interesting.
Well, a lot of people would say because of it was in a
rocket roll band sort of thing, the drugs involved through that sort of stuff.
But yeah, yeah, I mean you can say that, but I
mean obviously somebody could kind of label that with David when in talking with him,
about experiences. He definitely wasn't on drugs when he had these experiences,
and it was with other witnesses. Yeah, who the other the second witness
from that incident with the line of Humanoids. Yeah, I actually got to
speak with him about five or six years later. I've just gone to visit
it because it kept in touch. Yeah. So sometimes when these bigger cases,
I've become friends with the individuals and I keep in touch with them over
years. And I think I've gone there to see it, but maybe I've
even gone to see Cosmosis play. It might have been a Cosmosis gig actually,
and I've gone there to see them some other bands play, And the
other witness from that incident happened to be there on that particular night I and
I interviewed him and added his testimonial evidence to the case report. Now there
was there was no so without any warning. Again, it wasn't like he
knew that I was going to ask him in a van so I must make
sure the details match up with Dave's. No. No, I just I
just got him across to the bar at one point in the night and just
started talking about it and all the details. He came out with matched what
that told me years before. There's some really interesting elements to that. So,
I mean what they're essentially they saw, you could put down to some
sort of radioactive clear up operation. Yeah. So you know, there might
not necessarily have even been alien if you're just looking at it. How they
were at a distance, Yeah, because they were seeing a line of human
like people in what appeared to be has that type. But here's the thing.
Yeah, I mean they've both got that they've got a psychic vision of
one of the beings faces up close, right next to their face. Yeah,
and a telepathic message in their minds. So straight away the aspect of
it, I'll tell you that, you know it's not yea. And I've
actually dealt with other cases that the exact same thing has been reported, So
you get these little details that come out from cases. Yeah, And it's
not the sort of stuff that they put on X files and things you get
from watching TV and that. Yeah, it's more it's detailed elements and content
experiences that match up across cases. It's actually a case at the moment that
I'm investigating. I can't tell you too much about it because it's literally ongoing
at the moment, but it's involving a lady from Finland who's got in touch
and she's had numerous experiences since childhood. But she's had a couple of experiences
which I believe are screen memories of visitations from probable grays. So a lot
of the time with screen memories, it tends to be grays. So when
people essentially for any of your listeners that don't know, I mean, you
probably taught about screen memories before, but it's essentially masking, so they'll appear
in another form, and they might sometimes appear like an animal or something familiar
to the individual, like a friend of family member or a doctor. Doctors
are quite common pilots that sort of thing, which might have links with the
fact that they've come down in a craft of course. But yeah, it's
a fascinating aspect of the contact phenomena. And I've actually given an entire talk
on screen memories in depth because it's a particular aspect I find really fascinating,
an interest in what's exactly is going on with it and why is it happening.
But yeah, I mean, so with that animals thing, she'd had
a couple of experiences where she saw three animals together, and it wasn't always
the same animal. It's the first time, I think she said it was
wolves, and the second time it was three foxes. Yeah, And she
said that when she saw them it was like times slowed down to a crawl,
almost maybe stopped, yea. And they walked across the path in front
of her, and she said, the central one it turned and looked at
her, and she got a psychic vision of its face right up in front
of her face, exactly like Dave talked about him. So you do hear
that quite a bit? Actually, yeah, yeah, you said, yeah,
So it's kind of some sort of psychic projection. I think, you
know, the animals weren't there next work, but for whatever reason she was
seeing it, you know, maybe the direct interaction there. Now, it's
my belief that in both of those experiences it wasn't wolves and it wasn't foxes.
It was still probable gray beings, and she they were just masking their
appearance, maybe physically, so once she was there, she actually saw animals,
or maybe it's just her recollection it's got the mask. Maybe she saw
grays at the time, or when she thinks back to it, she sees
animals in their place. We don't really know. How do you quantify that?
M there's probably people listening to this show now they're thinking, oh yeah,
that this is happening to them. Um, you know, I mean,
obviously, if if anyone wants to get in touch with this show and
talk about anything like that, I can put you on in touch with Dave.
Actually, like, yeah, I'm modern. Had been a big occasions
from anywhere for whether historical or you you know, when they've happened or where
they've happened is irrelevant to the to the reality of the subject. So child,
we'll get your details at the end of the show. Of course gives
it, but I'll tell you what they have you. Did you have any
sort of experiences as a child? Not directly. My first unusual experiences was
one of my houses. I went to Plymouth University and while I was there,
one of my sharehouses, there was a number of ghost type incidents that
happened, which I can go. I know we're branching away from UFOs and
aliens a minute, but I can know it's fun anything paranormal. Sure,
yeah, no problem. Yeah, So I just moved into a new house
halfway through the to make a kind of house change halfway through, and um,
and there was there was three other three other boys then and one girl.
So quite a busy, quite a busy sharehouse. And when I these
incidents all happened in the initial weeks. But I there's probably people listening now
and thinking I was a practical joke. They're just but I don't think it
was that with these. So the first instid happen, it wasn't even that
impressive. It was just that we had a we had a lounge with a
joining kitchen on the side of just a doorway straight through between the two year
and I've just been in the kitchen just kind of doing the washing up,
and we had a shelf above the sink with a line of beer glasses on
or whatever, and I just put a glass back up on there and everything
went back through to the lounge and I heard this thud on the floor.
So I go back into the kitchen and this one of the pine glasses is
in the middle of the kitchen floor here and haven't broken, but it was
just down the floor. I was like, I get there and I was
thinking, you know, if let's say there were soap SuDS on the bottom
and it was slid or whatever. It would have dropped off and fallen into
the sink here, it wouldn't have gone and probably smashed. Oh yeah,
so it was kind of like it had leapt off the shelf. But I
didn't see it happened yet, So I was like, okay, whatever,
you don't really you know, you're just just missing, don't you just put
it back in the lounge, carry on. So I think it was within
one or two weeks and most of this three of them had gone out for
the night. Yeah, and there was meat and another chap called Steve was
sitting in the lounge just watching Telly. Definitely nobody else in the house,
right, it's quite big. It was quite a big house. All of
a sudden fud thud. Yeah, it was the sound of running footsteps.
Talking about it makes my hair stand up. And it was like it was
so clear, it was so full on. Yeah, it was like it
was it was a sound somebody running along the landing year straight away. What
do you think you think there's a burger or something inside the house. Yeah,
we just stopped dead. It's silent. I just put the volume off
on the TV and I'm just listening and there's nothing yet. It's just silence,
and Stevie's just he won't even move out the chair. He was like,
I'm not going up there here. So I'm peeping around the door and
it's just completely quiet. They go up there, there's nothing there. There
was no window open, there was no sign that anybody had ever been there.
But it was definitely not creaks in an old house or anything like that.
It was thud, thud, thud. You can you can pretty much
hit you know, feel it vibrating the ceiling. It was that. It
was that full on. So that happened, and I was pretty convinced that
I was something unusual. So all the time I stayed in the property,
I didn't hear it again. So I don't think it was like an echo
for next door or something that, because you could hear it again logically.
And then yeah, so yeah. So again another week or so goes by
most and another incident happens, and this again in the lounge. Again three
of them had gone out for the night, but this time there was me
and another another housemate, also called Dave. It's quite a few people called
Dave. They were taken over So anyway, we're in the lands watching TV
and we go through to the kitchen about so no longer than ten seconds when
we come back. So on top of our Telly in the lands, we
had a it was a vase. Yeah, it was a plastic vase of
fake flowers in because I don't trust students to water plants, right, so
I don't trust So we've gone through, we're watching Telly as the TV was
on. We got through the kitchen from no more than ten seconds, we'll
come back in the land. Yeah, and the fars is in front of
the television screen as in it's jumped down from on top of the TV to
sitting in front of the screen, which is Yeah. I was just like,
so i'd say the day, I'll let you do that. I know
he hadn't because I knew he'd been in the kitchen with me. Yeah,
but you're trying to kind of rationalize it, you know, and it's just
like no. And I was like, I don't you think it's impressive?
And he wasn't even that bothered. Yeah, it was like it he was
like whatever, you know. I was like, okay, so I just
go up there and put it back on the telling you. And it definitely
wasn't like Patrick or one of the others hiding in their own room and let's
trick daver and they liked, they've gone out. They were definitely not there.
Now that was it. Yeah, I was almost expecting more stuff to
continue to happen because I was like, something really going on here. It's
like this steviest thing, like politicust type of stuff going on. And I
was like, are we're going to get anything else happening after that? It's
nothing, It just can't write down yet. But whatever it was, that
for the instance, all happened in kind of quick succession, whether it was
me entering the house, so that I mean, that was the difference.
That was the upheaval. So people often say that polic guys type of stuff
happens with a change in the environment, with a change was me joining the
house yet? But yeah, but I'm pretty certain that it wasn't a practical
joke orchestrated by the other house. So that was my ghost experiences. You
could say they were doing not amazingly impressive, but still unexplainable really, And
I moved forward to two thousand and nine, which was coincidentally the same year
that I became chairman for BAFOGRA, so i've until that, but I hadn't
I've never seen anything I could say was a UFO at all. Yeah,
you can occasionally see like lights and a distance and that's something. But obviously
if you're seeing a light in the distance, it could be editing technically unidentified,
isn't it. So it is a UFO. But I've never seen anything
that I could genuinely say was something unexplained on this In the summer two thousand
and nine it was I've been chairman of the group for about a couple of
months, right I went to I went down to Warminster in Wiltshire for a
for a conference. It was a paranormal conference called Weird, so it was
the Weird two thousand and nine paranormal conference. So they had some speakers were
on UFOs and other ones wore ghosts and I might have even been the Yeah,
it's got a good yeah run for a number of years. And of
course Welch is famous for cropformations obviously as well, and it's also famous for
many sightings, especially around Warman stuff. Of course we had the warments to
flap in the late seventies to mid eighties where loads of people reported activity and
since then the area has still been a hotbed for you of for activity.
So I've spoken with numerous people over the years. We've had some very impressive
sightings down there in that neck of the woods. So this is a two
day conference and just split up the two days, they decided to do a
SkyWatch on the Saturday night. Yeah, and whether it's decided to do it
was up on Crade or Hell, which is a famous for skywatching. It's
really known place. Lots of people often go up there for sky watching because
it's got a really nice clear view of the surrounding area and it's just north
of Warming, Satannia. So we've gone up there and because it was publicized
for the conference. Yeah, there was a load of people up There was
about fifty people. There were some TV crap cameras and all sorts of Right
now, it's right next to mdown Land, so you've got a clear view
in all directions and just after the just to the north there's you just reach
a borderline where you're not allowed to walk any closer because it's military owned.
Yeah, So because you're kind of expecting to see military aircraft and that sort
of thing from time to time in the sky, but there really wasn't that
much aircraft at all in the sky, civilian or military. Really. It
gots about eleven o'clock and night most people have gone home by this point I
saw there was about twenty people left, which included M. Malcolm Robinson from
from Scotland, the Scottish researcher see four. I don't know if you know
seefore Yeah Broyan he died recently, Oh dearly? Are sorry here? Um?
So yeah, So they were up there, and you know, there's
a bunch of other people left up there for who'd been attending the conference.
It was a really nice clear nights. The stars were out and you could
see really well in all directions of hardly any clouds at all, really lovely,
and it got about i'd say about half eleven, and somebody said there's
a jet coming in. So we looked to thee, look to the south,
and sure enough there's a white light in the distance moving our direction.
It looks about the size of a kind of light aircraft and it's got a
white light on it. Comes see any other navigation lights, I'm thinking,
okay, it's probably just the angle I'm viewing it out. Yeah, it's
coming towards us, and all of a sudden, this white light flares up
really bright. It bottom it's something like this, and it doesn't go on
off like a stroke. It just stays really really bright. Yeah, everybody's
like, whoa, what's going on here? A couple of seconds later,
this white light dies about down again, and then I can see like this
dark turquoise colored lights are really weird, you know, like you get lime
green lights on a plane. Yeah, like bright green. Yea, it
wasn't like that at all. It's like somewhere between blue and green and kind
of darker, like a dark turquoise color. Yeah, And it's still coming
nearer, and all of a sudden it's white lights coming up again like this.
It's just kind of going on staining lit off. As it gets nearer,
we'll realize there's no sound comes from the thing at all. Right now,
we could hear planes on the horizon, and you don't have to.
Sound travels really well after darksn't it. And we can hear kind of civilian
aircraft on the distance on the horizon earlier on. But this thing, whatever
it was was making no sound whatsoever, and it was only about three hundred
foot up. I'd say it wasn't It wasn't really really art. I was
trying to get in as much information as I could now. Unfortunately I didn't
have a decent night vision scope on me, and nobody else left that there
had a decent night vision equipment either, so we couldn't get a look at
exactly the shape of this thing. We could. I could just see this
dark thing that was kind of blocking out the stars. It seemed about the
size of a light aircraft here, but it was. But there was no
sound coming from it. And it came in it had these had no other
navigation lights on it. Yeah, and it comes in slowly kind of over
there, and we're all watching it, and it arts away and then goes
off into the distance, And even minutes later, when it was at horizon,
you could still see this white light coming up light and then vanishing again.
Now I interviewed numerous people who've been up there and seen that, Yeah,
and not one person could identify it. I've got a friend who served
in Iraqia certain the military said it doesn't match with any known military drone or
military aircraft at all, and obviously most military aircraft have the same kind of
red, green and white normal navigation type lights on, and it's unexplained to
this day. It's technically your folk. It wasn't. It wasn't an amazing
sight thing. It wasn't like a domed disc or did landless sea beans or
anything like that. But it was an unidentified flying objects. So yeah,
I wanted to give you the show because you're all there to see something.
Well, yeah, well that's what I was thinking. I was thinking there's
some sort of clever orchestrated hopes because they know the scar Watch is going on.
Yeah, you know, like somebody's found out about it and they're doing
it. Yeah. But whatever this thing was, it was quite sizable,
and it was flying fast. It wasn't guiding along slowly like a balloon.
It was going to speedy and it was and it was. Yeah, it
was big and silent sprange with lights on. They didn't match any known aircraft.
So yeah, that's that's the thing with drones. Now. You you
love where to get jokes like that going, Yeah, yeah exactly, And
I'm sure that there are people who are We've We've done numerous skywatchers over the
years. Actually our leads are nicely to the other sighting, which is one
I didn't see myself, but it's one I could have seen. We actually
had some sightings that took place on our latest SkyWatch, which was last year.
I organized the SkyWatch Achanic Chase with a with another paranormal group called Uprising.
We've got a Facebook group and the owners of Uprising they come down regularly
to boot Folk to our meetings. So we decided we'd do this Grier joint
SkyWatch and both groups were kind of combined forces and got to the location.
And the location we chose was an air of Panic Chase. It is quite
near to the two military graveyards, and he said it was just nice open
flat fields. There wasn't particularly elevated. I've been kind of chase numerous times
before and we've chosen kind of higher altitude, but it was nice and open.
So a load of us turned up for that and it was a very
very fun evening. We were worried it was going to chuck it down,
but it actually sort of behaved itself. Sort of. It was a bit
cloudy, so about half ten a bunch of us with the d sided.
We wanted to go and check out one of these military graveyards after dark,
yea, so we all and armed guy go with him. Yeah, And
so we go off wondering with our tortures. Yeah, just to check it
out, because you want to see what it looks like after dark. And
obviously there's a kind of spooky elements, you know, and that sort of
thing on the scarlet. So we left about you know, fifteen or so
people back at the field. Yeah, and low behold, that's when the
sightings occurred, when when half of us weren't there. Great, So I
didn't actually find out about the sightings until the following the day because one of
the witnesses who'd seen the first thing, she'd left by the time we got
back and they actually gone home and the other and then she told me about
it on email afterwards. Yeah. The other witnesses worse still there, but
they didn't mention it at the time because it was just kind of quite a
brief sighting and conversation just when our elsewhere. Yeah, essentially what was seen
was orange jobs. Yeah, but first of all, there were two of
them in quick succession at two completely different directions in the sky. So the
first sighting was by the lady who was incidentally she had contact experiences, a
very fascinating case, and her and her husband had come down for the for
the SkyWatch, and she saw this orange or appear the sky and then through
the sharp arc downwards bottom goes down like that and a sharp sharp arc to
angle down into the trees here, so very fast and not really how a
Chinese lantern would behave or a flare, so I've seen, I've seen flair's
before. We actually had somebody set one off on one of my previous sky
watchers and then trying to convince me that it wasn't a flare. I was
like, come on, he's bought the flare along. Yes, so obviously
they climbed slowly, they drift across. Yeah, and if a Chinese lantern
when it drops, it's going out. Yes, always gone out. So
there's no glowing orange light anymore. It's just a blunt shape that usually comes
to see after dark. Yeah, this thing, whenever it was glowing bright
orange, comes down at a sharp arc. Seems too sharp to be met
riz here, and it really wasn't. There wasn't enough kind of visibility for
it to be a metrite unless it happened to be one that was very up
close and happened to land in the trees right there where the SkyWatch is going
on. Yeah, within a minute of that, there's another sighting, but
it's a completely different direction. I didn't realize there were different directions until I
until analyzed it on a map and realized I was completely facing completely different directions.
And this one was seen by several people, including James, who's one
of our other investigators for the group. Happened to one of the other witnesses
of it and he said it was moving around radically. Again, it only
appeared for a couple of seconds. It was as a bright orange light that
moved around like this back and the forwards erratically and then vanished again. So
minor, massively mining and nothing spectacular in any way, shape or form,
but again not really acting how a Chinese lantern or a flare would act,
and the wrong color for anything else. And unless it was a drone and
where you'd had to fly the drone off. Let's say there was somebody trying
to trick us by hiding in the woods and launching something you'd had to fly
out of there. Wouldn't just kind of do that and then vanish. So
it was weird, Yeah, it was. It was UFO sightings seen our
last car watch brilliant. Yeah, I wasn't there to seeing for left you
with the puzzle to what was it? Well, exactly, it was unidentified
and they were flying on our objects. I mean, I mean they didn't
seem particularly big, so I don't think even even if there were something anomalous,
I don't think that they would would have been manned. A lot of
these objects that are seen a smaller objects obviously a lot of the ones that
are reported by the by the American military at the man by the US Navy
with the with the Pentagon emissions share seemed to be smaller drone like objects.
But there seemed to be kind of monitoring their ships and intercepting them in locations
where they just really shouldn't be able to like miles miles and miles out to
see, you know. And and apparently the objects hang around for like hours
on end and that sort of thing on radar. And obviously a drone only
has so much flight in it if I had to land. So I was
gonna say so about emission about the government everything. Do you think they're actually
drip feeding us to disclosure? Basically, I don't think full this closure with
the subject is going to happen. I think the only way full disclosure with
the subject will happen is if the beings themselves decide that they want it,
yeah, and do something big. There. Do seem to be drip feeding
things out now? And again, don't they what they're doing? I think
they're they're keeping the American public happy. I genuinely think that's what it's for.
I think it's I think it's for. Are you told us that we
weren't doing anything? You told us we were denying? It's all here go,
We've given you some stuff. They're they're giving you like a small part
of the picture. But the trouble is that they genuinely don't know yet because
the American military is so compartmentalized as our owners. Yeah, so they probably
genuinely don't know, even even at the head of the Defense. Even Chris
Mellan, et cetera. And he's actually said those very that very thing on
interviews. He said that there could well be other areas within the Pentagon.
They know a lot more about this than even he's not privy too. Black
ops areas Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah, because it's so split
up. So but I believe that there is destein groups from individual column,
majestic, twelve column, and men in black column, whatever you like.
There are big cases on record that have happened, like the vagina incidents in
Brazil, where there are unknown figures seeming the human people turning up in black
suits, almost almost black suits. They bribe witnesses money to either shut up
about it or even light about what they've seen. Now, again, these
are specific incidents. They don't often happen. There's less than ten percent of
the contact cases I've investigated have had many black experiences in them. But there
are some of the at least twenty cases I can think of over the years,
which have had many black type experiences, some of them really really interesting
and compelling. So I think that there's something going on with them. A
lot of the time, it's not the you must not tell people about this,
you thought of the light of venus. It's not like that at all.
It's more like they asking questions about their experiences. It's almost like they're
trying to find out more about the beings by speaking with people who they know
have had contact. Yeah, so less the kind of sometimes there's a bit
of reverse psychology in there so to kind of keep quiet, but they don't
often kind of just say the good old classic you're not allowed to talk about
this. If you do, we'll shoot you. I mean, there's some
military cases where they seem to have done that with the witnesses, you know,
as I think the Roswell things and all that things have happened, didn't
it. Yeah, I mean that was a real big one. I mean
Roswell, I've got I'm absolutely convinced that Roswell as they crashed, as a
lot of people are in the UF community, there are over three hundred witnesses
have gone on the record. Yeah, three hundred witnesses that have all said
that it wasn't Project Blooming Mogul, or it wasn't a weather blown or it
wasn't anything human. It was a it was a crashed object with bits that
fell off over the ranch, you know, all over the blooming place,
and and then beings and I mean even some of the even some of the
top commanders from the military basis of you know, on the deathbed confessionals now
Why on earth would you sully your family's name by making up nons and about
it being aliens if it's not absolutely The simple thing to me that says that
there's something very wrong in what they say is they've changed their mind less to
what it was over the years so many times. Yeah, if it was
something that it would be that, you know, just a full stop and
that was it exactly, you know, but they've tried to cover it up
several times. When someone comes up with something, they say, oh,
no, it was it. No, they started to this project module they
wasn't it ten years later, wasn't anyway? Yeah, I mean yeah,
they were saying that the bodies that people had seen were these crash test dumbag
yeah, which apparently they there's no fish or records from being launched until sort
of mid fifties. But that's not to say that they couldn't have. Yeah,
right, that's written. That's proof. But what I will say is
proof is the character's witnesses saying, no, we saw things that were being
autopsied by doctors and one of them were still alive, and they were showing
it to soldiers, and those soldiers were deeply spooped out, you know,
forever after about what they Yeah, I mean some of those witnesses talked about
the bodies and the autopsies. Obviously they had accidents, didn't they, you
know, in very mysterious circumstances, very convenient. Yeah, and also point
out it's not that film that came out in the mid eighties, the autopsy.
I think we know now that, but unfortunately it is some people out
there still think it's real. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I've seen
the evidence for it being a constructed thing, and I've spoken with Spirous milias
the guy he'd yeah, yeah, I love your chaff, and yeah,
I'd say the evidence ways very much in favor of it being a set of
thing. Now. Obviously, what confused some people was the odd the odd
design for the being itself in that and I remember seeing it because it was
one of the first people in the UK to actually see it. I've got
to one of the Foam magazine conferences. You may have been there too,
it leads, and they were showing it for the first time. It was
it was Santa or some of the Unsundeil's behalf and they showed it at the
conference and we were the first people to see it in the UK before they've
released, before Spirits even knew about it. Yeah, probably, Yeah,
I think it was. And then essentially the first time I saw it,
I didn't think it was very but I did think that I could have it
could have been like a snuff video. I really genuinely thought that maybe what
we were looking at was a dead girl that they'd modified to look like an
alien, and it was just very creepy footage. You know. It's I
can understand why some people were, you know, thought it was compelling when
they saw it. But since then, obviously we've got the actual photographs of
the actual model casts and things, and yeah, it's it's yeah, so
it's so obvious. Yeah, because I mean my Spirits told me. You
probably hear the same story as well. He was in Japan actually when all
of a sudden it came on the television and he was shooting a cup of
coffee. He edially spat his coffee out because when his film came out,
he knew nothing about it. Basically, he'd done this thing that he was
done as a joke. Actually apparently originally it kind of forgot about it and
all of a sudden he started period of the TV and saying till you've been
putting you out as a as the real thing, saying it was a real
military money offer too. Probably, Yeah, that's right. Spirit. I
mean, I think he did a lot of that is his own expense.
Yes, And of course there's still people that they still say it's the real
thing, but so yeah, I mean I think definitely isn't with most the
video you've got that you know, you've got that kind of element, you
know, are we being duped? You know? Is it? Is it
kind of a double duping? You know? Is it it's you know,
are they all the key witnesses involved, Are they all working for the same
I mean, it's it's like Spirits says, So he says, they could
well have been a real, genuine film. Yeah, but this but the
one that he made is not it? Yes, you know, exactly filmed
at the time, and they would have filmed, but then there would have
had cameras on those on those bodies obviously, But so somewhere in the depths
of the pent again is that footage, but also so is the bodies themselves.
Yeah, never mind the footage they've got, the actual thing is absolutely
Yeah, I've got to admit when I first saw it back in the was
about you two feel whatever it was. Well, I was kind of saken
it after wor this looks real, you know, definitely genuine and all that.
Yes, and then you get to a point of thing arm sitting on
the fence, and then I look quite sure if it's really or not.
Yeah, I found some of the I found some of the hands. Thing.
I mean, the thing is, I've spoken with so many contacts o
the years. I've investigated literally hundreds of contact cases around the world now,
and almost always the beings have got four fingers, not six. I'm not
saying there's not some cases on record where they've got six fingers. He did
it on purpose, so didn't he wanted to make it so because there were
different to the reports, That's it. I think by doing that, I
yet to just kind of get people talking, you know, is it real,
isn't it? You know, the sort of yeah, yeah, there
was some interesting design decisions, shall we say, with the footage, but
it was certainly creepy and and and definitely number of I mean, we've got
the alien interview video as well. I remember that from the past as well.
The one with it in the darkened room, which I would still say
it is one of the most compelling. It's of video that I've seen portedly
showing a live et. It's never it's never categorically been disproven. It hasn't
been proven, Yeah, but it hasn't been disproven either, and a lot
of people are a lot of people are suspicious about the fact that's in the
darkened room because they're like, that's a lot easier for puppeteers. But obviously
they've shown it to They've showed it to certain countait teas, including Whitney Striver,
who I certainly believe is the genuine contact team and he believes it's real
and he's seen him with his own eyes. He's seen the graves with his
own eyes numerous times, and he believes that on that video is an actual
living Great there's other countanties as well who saw it who again back it up
and believe it's real, and they showed it the special effects artists as well.
In the special effects artists, you could see from their reactions on that
footage, you know, they they were they were quite impressed by They were
like, this is well, if it is a fake. It's well done,
things moving and things. Yeah, I mean, I've got to say
I've I've spoken the spirits about that particular film. He was actually an expert
of filmmakers, as you know, and he seems that he says it is
a fake. But there you go. It's one of those things. It's
just a matter of opinion. The week's you just don't know, that's it.
Yeah, that's the problem with video and photographic evidence. Yeah, and
that's why I think the testimonial evidence is almost as important, if not more
important than it, especially in this modern age. Yeah, with all the
CGI and that sort of thing that's fake's been put out left run center.
I mean a classic one that we had out in recent year as a Skinny
Bob, the Skinny Bob video, which is probably well now. That one
looked very very compelling. It looked really realistic, and nobody's ever owned up
to actually doing it either. The actual creator of that is not known.
All that we know is it is definitely CGI, even though it looks hyper
realistic. Yeah, there's a lot of people out there who believe it's genuine.
And you can see in the comments people are going They're like, wow,
this is the evidence and it's not analyzed it and the CGI. It
just shows how good CGI is getting these days. Absolutely, Yeah, it's
very chrea difficult. We've only got to see the Avengers movies to see how
good it is. Well, that's it. Yeah, it's like a Bigfoot
the Bigfoot film will in when you see the big Foot walking across the street,
the road, road in the in the forest. I mean, that's
never been that's never been proved to be faked. It's never been proved to
be faith. There's there's some interesting elements to that. Actually, so do
I do have an interest in Bigfoot and that as well, not like to
the same extent of course. And I've decided to focus, so we say,
on UFOs, but I've still got passing interests in other ravers of the
paranormal. Yeah, that footage has always impressed me, and I've I've seen
I've seen their proper detailed examination of that footage done by a UK big foot
researcher, Paul Vera. I don't know if you know Paul Paul Vera is,
yeah, UK big foot expert. He did a full lecture on that
just on that video and there's elements to it, like the fact that the
things female and actually has memories, and the way that it's walking does not
look like a human walk, and that's sort of thing. The way the
legs are moving and things. There's there's little elements in it that point away
from it just being a in a gorilla suit. You know, again,
you can't tell. Very occasionally. You get these videos a lot of the
time. There you have people on both sides. You know, you have
some people thinking it's real, some people think it's not. Other people kind
of side either way. Are they only really compelling or shall we say intriguing.
Video that I've ever had given me over the years came as part of
a big contact case from Droit which that I investigated. Now this you may
have seen this piece of footage with the lady in the bed. If you
haven't, I'll be going through it anyway. Essentially, in late two thousand
and ten, she had two abduction experiences. This is a really big case
here. She's had a life lifetime of experiences right about the childhood. But
she liked many experiences. She pushed those experiences aside. There were two weird
nat in ordinary so she just ignored them and pretended there weren't there. There
was all sorts of stuff like psychic premonitions and lots of different things. But
in two late two thousand and ten, she had two abductions in the space
of one and these were kind of her trigger experiences. And by that,
I mean there were experiences that was quite obvious something strange had happened, and
it got her to readdress and look at the previous things that had happened in
her life. But the second experience was captured on camera, or could have
been captured on camera. I'll go Should I go through in detail all I
happened with the two of ductrin Jah? Yeah, sure, there's some really
interesting elements to them. Actually, it's one of the cases I talked about
quite a lot over the years because it's it's such an intriguing case and it
has lots of elements to So it involved a family. Yeah, they're on
the outskirts of dry which in a kind of rural area overlooking sort of open
farmers fields and in I think it was the third of December or something like
that. Yeah, I think I was right, third of seventy ten.
So she was finding hard to sleep. She had no interest in the UFO
subject. By the way, Yes, they didn't. They didn't know what
to tell me or what I was expecting to hear, anything like that.
So she was finding hard to sleep. Her husband had gone to bed,
and she was just there lying around. It's about one in the morning,
can't sleep. Gets to check on her daughter's daughter in separate side bedroom,
walks on through there to have a look. Now, at that point,
they didn't have a curtain on her daughter's window, just leave the window open,
and she had a look at happening to glance outside in the distance over
some trees in the disn't she sees this, well, it's kind of similar
to your own sighting. Though. She saw an orange oval shaped object and
it's moving slowly to the left, and initially she sings, there's a plane
crashing. She's like, there's a plane crush going on, but she realized
it's moving too slowly, so it can't be a plane. But then she's
trying to think, is it like a light reflecting from the room somewhere,
like something electronic in the room, you know, So she's not like immediately
like a s an alien space ground or only like you know, She's like
could it be something MUNDANEA So she's looking around to see if she can find
reflections, and she even holds up her She gets an eight four piece of
paper and puts it on the on the window, and she can see the
light still coming through it, so she knows it's from coming from outside.
So she looks around at her daughter. Once she looks back, the objects
no longer in the distance. It's now jumped and it's about a hundred yards
away from the house. And it's also right down near the ground. What
it looked like was a long bank of lights. She couldn't really see there,
but beyond the lights, you could just see that there was something there
with glowing lights along Issia. Now, at this point, instead of wake
her daughter up, or wake her husband up, or ring the police or
run and hide, she accepts it and goes back to bed. So there's
a UFO enclosed proximity to her own house, and instead of react like the
way that you would normally react, she just thinks, okay and gets back
into bed. This is a this is an element to contact that terms of
again and again and again, this kind of altered frame of mind. People
are really complaisant to what's going on here, which is one of the reasons
why there's very few photographs. So people are sort of saying, oh,
all the mobile phone cameras, if people are really being taken by these beings,
how come they all taking shots of them and that sort of thing.
And this is why, because when they experienced contact, they're not acting normally.
So she goes back to bed. Yeah, and she's lying there.
She thinks she closes her eyes, doesn't think she drops off. She's just
lying there in darkness. All of a sudden, she realizes she opens her
eyes. She's no longer in her rooms, but she can't see anything.
She's she's lying down. It's pitch black everywhere. The only thing she can
see is her eldest daughter, who's up here by a right shoulder. And
her daughter leans in and says, don't worry, mum, it's your turn
next. They aren't going to hurt you, right, And she doesn't know,
she's like, but before she gets a chance to talk with her about
what she means, she feels this kind of rushing sensation, almost like she's
going for a tunnel or some time, and then she's in this totally new
environment. Yeah, she finds herself. She's believes she's naked. She's paralyzed
from the next down, which she can move ahead a tiny little bit like
this, but not much all around her and glowing grid lines essentially like yellow
laser lines in square shapes all around almost like tron or something, and everywhere
she can look, she can just see these glowing yellow squares. But she
realizes that there's be around her, but she can't see them. She wants
to kind of see them. She can sense that there's some something being up
here behind her left shoulder, and then she senses that there's a load of
small ones kind of standing around her, around her floating body. She doesn't
feel like she's on a bench or anything. But again she can't look down
to see them because she can't ark her neck enough. Now while she knows
the short who knows, you know, she just kind of senses that his
short childlike things. And she starts to feel and touching and then touching her
body, like going down her body like this. And she had a bad
back at the time, and she was worried that they were going to hurt
her back and touch her on the spine or whatever and hurt her and in
response to that worry, she hears a telepathic voice in her head say,
don't worry, We're not going to hurt your back. So it's kind of
like they could hear her thoughts, and we're responding to her thoughts. They
perform some kind of examination where they're going checking her and everything. This goes
on a short period, and then all of a sudden, in the distance,
as this white rectangle of light opens up off to the left year and
she can see it because you can kind of look downwards a bit like looking
down her body. She can see her over there standing in this light is
her eldest son. Yeah, he's quite a tall guys about seven and a
half foot, I reckon so at least seven fire, huge guy, absolutely
dwarf me. And I met him when I went around the house to investigate
the case. Here, a real nice guy, and he was just there
in this experience. He is standing in this doorway, but he's not interacting
with her or coming and helping her or anything. He's just standing her,
staring at her, and she's wondering why on earth he's there and isn't helping
her. And this goes on a while and then she kind of hears some
sort of chattering going on. She thinks it was the beings talking to one
another, and she could hear this chittering but couldn't really make out any actual
words. His sense there was a kind of sense of rush, like she
wasn't supposed to be there any longer and she'd overstayed a welcome or something.
And then all of a sudden, she's bang and she's back in her bed
yea. And she jumps up and she's in bedroom right, wakes her husband
up. She's like convinced it wasn't a nightmare, feels like really vivid.
She remembers all these details. She's like, what earth was that? What
happened? So she wakes her husband up, and her husband's like, and
sat a bad dream? Settle back down this sort of thing, Yeah,
who drops back off and everything, And she manages to settle down to sleep
here in the morning, and she feels like really anxious about it, and
this kind of anxiety kind of starts to build up through the days yea,
And she doesn't want to go to sleep in the room, you know,
because she remembers it. And this is obviously another common side effect or after
effect of having her contach experiences, you know, you don't want to go
back to the location, stands to reason. A lot of the time that's
subconscious, but with this she has conscious memories of pretty much everything. Yet
and she also strangely felt like she was pregnant. She's really weird, right,
So when this kind of built up over a couple of days until she
actually visited a GP and got her GP to confirm that she wasn't pregnant.
And after he confirms she wasn't pregnant, that feeling kind of went away.
Ye might have something to do with the hybrid programs, and we don't know.
So she's starting to get more and more panicky about going to sleep in
the bedroom yet and her husband thinks she's over reacting and he didn't really believe
what's happened to her, and either things with a dream or something. Yeah,
but he happened to make security cameras for living you to put together in
foro red cameras. When I went around the house, they'd loads of light
boxes in for a cameras and stuff. Yea, for all these cameras around.
He's like, well, how about this, we'll set up a camera
in the bedroom and whenever we go after sleep, Yeah, we'll start the
camera running. Yeah, and nothing will come and nothing will come and get
you if you're being watched, will it. Yeah, So it kind of
puts the mind it easier, and she's like okay, and they try that,
and sure enough it settles her down. Yeah, and she starts to
kind of be able to sleep normally again. Yeah. But about three days
later, Yeah, about this camera running each night. Yeah, and in
the morning they kind of obviously don't shut the footage and hours and hours and
the sleeping he so they just wipe the footage and and carry on the next
day they do the same about three days later. About theer's like each other's
second experience here, So this time she's not awake and seizing up or anything
like that. She just suddenly finds herself in this other environment and it's totally
different before you, she said it was. It reminded her a bit like
a doctor's office. She said. There were wood paneling over the walls,
and there was some sort of double doorway she was lying down on, and
there was a more classic in this regard. She was lying down on some
sort of flattened bench she was unclothed but had a kind of thin white sheet
draped across a body. She sensed again the one appear behind the shoulder again
she was paralyzed. Yeah, but she sends that same being was there,
the one that had been there before. There's a kind of link between the
two experiences. Yeah, so her right, she can look down. She
can see this short dots of chap. Yeah, it's about four foot high.
It's got spectacles on, he's got rush back, red hair, is
wearing a kind of white doctor's coat. Yeah, and he's standing there,
looked weird. Chap. It puts his hands out. It doesn't touch you.
He holds his hands a couple of inches above a body, and he
starts to move down the body like this, doing some kind of scan of
a body. She starts to get telepathic messages in her mind of ale months
that she's had, either in the past or currently. So he says stuff
like, used to have a stomach ulcer a number of years ago, has
gone away, obviously you got bad back, and this sort of thing.
So she's hearing these messages in her head, and she's very worried he's going
to say something bad. Light you've got cancer or something. But it doesn't
do that. So this this scan type situation ation occurs, and then that's
it. That's the end of experience. Yeah, all of a sudden,
she's back in the bed again, wakes up, you know, reach it
over, and she's she's really worried. She's convinced something's happened. Yeah,
husband's like nothing, you know, and just settled back down. Yeah,
so she does. She just drops back off to sleep, but in the
morning, of course without the camera running him. So the night so they're
like, what you're gonna do. You're gonna check the camera to see if
anything is unusual on it. Yeah, so they start looking through this fossage,
right, and as hours and hours I'm just lying there sleeping, gets
about three thirty through the whole lot of Oh yeah exactly, And yeah,
gets about three thirty three in the morning, which might be might be significant,
or might not be. Yeah, you could sear it's just a coincidence.
But there's some numerous e type out elements to come out through contact experience
sometimes. But yeah, a round three thirty three in the morning. Yeah,
she starts doing this weird thing. But she's in the bed and you
can see a line there and she it's almost like she rolls around and arking
her back here like really high underneath the sheet. Yeah, and you can
see it kind of bolts you up right, and it's like she's almost like
I don't know, and don't describe it, like she's arking upwards you.
And then all of a sudden, it just folds inwards, just ridiculously flat.
Yeah, And it just sinks in and it's just looks really flat,
like you can sort of stop just about makeup the husband. But it's kind
of a bit dark across outside the room and it's infrared, yeah, and
it's not the best quality. Yeah, but he's there and she's definitely gone
yeah, or seems to have gone right. And then there's about fourteen minutes
right where there's nothing. There's like no movement at all or anything here.
It's just dead flat. And then all of a sudden, the bedclothes kind
of shoots in the air, and when they settling again, she's kind of
moving around and stuff, and then settling she's back yere. Now I don't
want to be rude, but you know she's quite you know, quite a
sizeable lady. Yeah, and it just looks weird. It looks really weird.
Yeah. Now, in speaking with her and her family, Yeah,
I've gotten absolutely no doubt that this is a real piece of video. This
is not an orchestrated hopes it's been put out online. She actually sent it
to the American team a fact or faked I don't ever seen that program.
To try to prove with disproof that she sent it to them, I kind
of warner off it. I said, you know, you don't need to
be doing that, they'll really kill it and that sort of thing. But
she was like she was intrigue, just like why not, you know,
I'll see what they think of it, because maybe they'll know they're experts,
maybe they'll know what it is whatever. She was genuinely intrigued by it.
She was also quite traumatized by it because it correlated with the experience of the
same night as experience, and it's this weird footage in in a way,
it kind of showed her that something might have actually happened to her, and
it really spooked her out. She didn't like it one bit. Yeah.
Now, we tried to get hold of the raw footage off off the camera,
but it's not built that way. It's not the unconnected via usbing get
the file off. Yeah, it was a lot security camera. It wasn't.
You weren't meant to extract the file here. They couldn't work out to
do it. So at the time, what they did is they played it
on a monitor and they videoed the monitor. Yeah, so it was kind
of like secondhand. Yeah. So the initial footage that I saw was kind
of slightly reduced quality here because they were filming it, and they were just
filming the screen ye and showing me what was on there. Later on,
the fact or fake team did manage to crack it in the end. Now
I couldn't. I was trying to crack this. I was trying to get
into this file type. It was just really weird file type. I antually
get hold of the file up the camera, yea, but it was unreadable
with anything. And I even come across the special readers online that were supposed
to read it, and they wouldn't read it. Yes. I was just
like crying out loud because I wanted to get a high quality in view of
the footage. It didn't really explain them much more. I saw the higher
quality version of the footage later on, and it didn't really answer any more
questions. It was the same, It was just a bit sharper. Yeah,
they don't actually crack it, but because it was kind of done by
the TV company, they kept they kept the rights to that. They kept
the rights to that cracked footage. Now, interestingly, they said that they
couldn't recreate the footage without using camera trickery. So they actually tried to recreate
the footage themselves and they couldn't do a successful job without using special effects or
some kind of contraption inside the bed, you know, like ol draulics or
some of the sins in Now, this is a normal double beds. Some
people online people come up with all sorts of suggestions for what it is yet,
but they don't know because I was the only one that us they're investigating
directly. Yeah, so first of all, they're not going to understand that
the trauma that these experiences cause this lady, and the fact that this was
part of a much much bigger case here. I've got no doubt that it's
it's real footage is not a hoax. Yea. What does it show?
Right? It either shows her being literally abducted, right, and demterializing from
the bed and then rematerializing. Now, a lot of contact cases where people
get taken ballcraft, they describe floating up into the air and still wall or
whatever the ceiling. But who are we to say that that's how it always
happens. Yeah, it's either that or it's a weird, very weird optical
illusion where it looks like she's vanished from the bed that she hasn't. Yeah.
If it is a weird optical illusion, yeah, that means that she
hasn't gone anywhere, which then means that that second abduction didn't happen yet,
it was just in her head while like a dream. But there was all
sorts of interesting elements to that and the previous experience. Yeah, and don't
forget it's a bigger case. So there's other abductions that occurred both before and
also after this experience here. So I was very, very compelled by the
case that it was a genuine contact to Casia. Now, the details that
came out, some of the details that came out with us were fascinating.
So we took a regression hidden and the therapist around to their house and he
hypnotized the lady in her own house. I work with a hypnotherapist and time
to time with contact cases where there appears to be like missing memories and we
can take them back. Obviously, it's a very controversial perhapsices and some people
will say that false memories can sink in, But this lady remembered about the
majority of the experiences anyway. Yeah, we were just exploring things in a
bit more depth. With the first experience, Yeah, said about the doorway
opening and the sun being there. Describes the experience exactly the same, So
no further details come out, no bit she's forgotten or anything. She described
was the examination procedure. But in the doorway, it's not her son,
she says, it doesn't look like my son. She described a She described
it as like a skeleton. She said it was a thin, skeletal figure,
had black teardrop shaped eyes. She said it was standing there. She
said it looked kind It wasn't speaking with her at all, but it was
big. It was like about eight foot high, So it was a It
was a tall, thin, gray and straight after the regression we got to
draw it. So there's a drawing of that being in the report. Now
in her conscious memory, what she was seeing was a screen memory of her
son. I'm absolutely convinced it was put on the screen memory because maybe because
it's tall, like her son was. Yeah, maybe that's why it shows
that if you go down the root, screen memories being some kind of thing
done on purpose, which I'm not saying one hundred percent that they are,
but certainly in evidence points that way. Sometimes second experience also had a screen
memory because I had a small ducta guy. Yeah, so this was more
interesting. So we were like, describe this small duct to us. The
rest of hypotherapist says, she said, describe it face, no word of
her life. She says, its face. It looks like a mask.
It looks like it wants to fall off. That was the actual words she
said. So it was like her mind under hypnosis was seeing past the screen
memory and literally, you know, she was literally seeing past this visage of
this doctor that this being was putting up. Yeah, we said, describe
the hands. Yeah, she said the hands are human, and then she
said, no, no they're not, said that the fingers are too long
and too pointy. So it was like under hypnosis she was breaking past the
screen memory and seeing it for what it was, which was very likely.
Great, she never she never saw it fully in its actual form, but
the implications there with the short height of it and that sort of thing,
and the long pointed fingers and that it's yeah, really interesting. So there
were those details in there. Oh, she did also have body marking.
Sorry I forgot to mention that after the second experience, when she woke up
she had some bruises on her abdomen, which she didn't know where they come
from. She was pretty certain when she'd gone to bed the night before they
weren't there. So there were all these elements that fitted in with this being
a genuine abduction experience as part of a genuine contact case had gone right back
to a childhood yet. Wow, so I have to I have to propose
that it's real now. A lot of people have said, oh, she
faked it. Oh there's a gap between the beds. There's two single beds
pushed together. It wasn't It was a normal double bed. I investigated the
bedroom. I wish I'd taken lots of photos of the room now, because
all these questions come from people skeptical of the video, and I tried to
answer them as best I can, and all I can say is I was
there. I examined the room. It was a normal room. I fully
trust the witnesses. I still keep in touch with her from time to time,
but she's actually moved away now and doesn't live in the UK anymore,
but occasionally still talked with her. I don't think she's having any experiences any
longer. I think they've kind of settled down, at least at the moment.
But that's sometimes the way it can go. But the experiences left a
lasting impression on her. It wasn't like it wasn't like she was doing this
for any fame or fortune. She did go she did talk at a couple
of conferences bravely by herself. Sometimes I speak directly within experiences and I work
alongside them. I'll do joint talks I've done numerous times with various people.
But with this case, she actually bravely went up on stage at a couple
of conferences and talked about it. There was no money involved. It wasn't
like she was doing it for the money or anything like that. And I'll
take it to my grave that it was a real case. Yeah, really
really compelled, absolutely fascinating. Yeah, well, I'll tell you what though,
we're coming towards you. I can't let you go until we talk about
the game that you've show produced. Absolutely, Yeah, gonna be like to
change of subjects. Yeah, well we we sort of come out to almost
two ears there, so yeah, the time was flying the years. Imbrilliant
actually, But yeah, you developed a game called UFO Wave. Yeah so
a lot she is available in Amazon it is, yeah, alongside alongside the
world the UFOs I've also got a passion for tabletop gaming, you know,
so right back to my childhood, have always been into like boarding, card
gamings, sitting around the table and just games directly with family of friends.
It's always good fun. Especially in this modern era, in this electronic era
where everything's virtual and there's a lot of online video gaming goes on and that
sort of thing. I still like sitting around the table and playing things directly.
And a number of years ago I decided that what I wanted to do
was combine my interests. Now, there's a number of games out there already
themed on Ufosiah, but only loosely, and most of the time when the
subject's covered, it's covered in a very stereotypical way. The owners have all
got laser guns. It's all about like destruction of the planet and that sort
of thing, usual sci fi nonsense. Yeah, what I wanted to do
was create a game that was authentic, authentic to the real UPO subject.
But I had a choice between taking down a kind of fun accessible route or
taking down a kind of very serious route. And it sort of detailed artwork
and that sort of thing, and I decided to go down the kind of
fun accessible route. So we've got a cartoon artwork for the game. It's
a want to come up with the concept. Yeah, I came up with
the name Your Foe Wave because I was thinking what just kind of it kind
of it fitted what happens in the game and what you're doing in the game.
Once I've decided, it took a while to kind of get it to
its end level. Number of years. In fact, it went through about
five different versions of the game before I finally settled on the end thing.
Now, the reason for that is I didn't want anybody to think that I've
just taken an existing game and just slapped UPO skin on it, Yeah,
and just put it out there, ripped off another game. What I believe
I've come up with is something that's completely unique. Like I think I've played
hundreds of boarding card games over the years, and I've never played another game
that has the same card mechanics as UFO Wave in it. So after all
these different version changes and that sort of thing, I finally came up with
something I was genuinely happy with, something that was easy to understand and learn,
but at the same time different, and also you could repeat play it
and it wouldn't get boring. And I've played the game over a hundred times
now ever gets boring. So yeah, Well, so with the artwork,
there was an artist I had in mind, and I had it. This
is a really interesting story of the artist, right. I decided to take
it down this cartoon or going to get cartoon artwork, because I wanted it
to be kind of accessible for people outside of the UFO community. I didn't
want it just to appeal to people who knew a lot about UFOs. I
wanted to appeal to the wider gaming market as well. Also, I wanted
to make your family friendly. That was an important one for me. I've
got a twelve year old daughter and I wanted her to be able to enjoy
the experience and enjoy the game as well. So I wanted it suitable for
both adults and older kids. So there's lots of ideas that kind of went
into it. The artist is an actual experiencer who's had actual content experiences.
He lives in New York. I managed to track him down online. I
came across his artwork many many years ago, and I remembered him. I
remembered his art pieces, and I really liked his kind of quirky art style,
and also he seemed to have a big knowledge of the UFO subject.
You could tell from the things he was drawing in his art pieces. Yeah,
but I had no who he was or whether he was still an artist
or anything. I went looking online and managed to track down out of pages
and pages, one of his old art pieces had his signature on it.
I managed to look up his name online and find the guy, and it
turned out he's still an active artist in New York. He's never done the
artwork for for a game before, and he was overjoyed when I told him
what I was doing and who I was and can Yeah. The artist name
is Eric Black, very Black, and yeah, I'll show the game that's
I've got for those of you listening on the audio, I don't can describe
what you're seeing there. So as the box with the front cover artwork on,
so, yeah, the box is a it's a FlipTop, a magnetic
FlipTop box, some kind of stuff like that. Yeah, chief Box,
I had to say, yeah, yeah, I want I wanted it to
be kind of quite nice and sturdy, and very pleased with the quality arts
turned out. The front box art essentially has a number of different alien species
here, and then there's different craft types in the background, as a saucer
up there in the flying triangle appear and things. We've also got the military
and a man in black out there as well. So the game is a
competitive part game for one to six players. It's a resource gathering game.
But I wanted to flip things on his head a bit. How most people
would expect a game of that ELK would be that you play as the humans
and maybe you have to fight back from against the aliens or something like that.
I wanted to do the other way around. I wanted you to actually
play as the alien species. So in Ufo Wave, at the start of
the game, you actually choose one of these species. You can play as.
There's there's six different species that you can play as in the game,
and they're all based on genuine experiences. We've got the grays of obviously in
their Nordics, or humanoids played ins, whatever you want to call them,
are in there. Got mounted beings less seen, but still I've dealt with
a number of cases involving those tall insectoid types. We've got Reptilians are in
the game. We've got hybrids. I wanted to include the hybrid breeding program
in the game as an element of view a fur wave. So one of
the species you can actually play as is the hybrids, a human alien cross
breed, and then the last species is a shadow being, which I've put
in there because of the links with the paranormal world. So you choose a
species that start the game, and they've all got their own different advantages,
so it's kind of crowds a bit of replayability. You can try it out
with different species and see how the gameplays. But essentially what you do in
the game is your tasked with performing activities such as abductions or landings or creation
of crop formations, and also absorbing of energy which can give you extra bonus
points. There's a line of cards in the middle of the table called the
scan or the scan line, and it's essentially what you can see in the
vicinity from your craft, both up in the air and on the ground,
and on that you're going to have various activities that can be performed. There's
energy that you can absorb, and there's also groups of humans who are are
most of the time they're apt to stop you. So we've got the military
in there, there's many black there's even groups of skywatchers. They've got groups
of skywatchers in the game. And lastly, I wanted to include a card
for UF enthusiastics, people who people that love the subject. So there's a
card called Believers in there, and the Believers card is actually positive. You
actually want to try to get spotted by the believers and build up a bit
of a following. So you're you're performing these activities for victory points by taking
things off this line of cards here. Now, the interesting thing about ufa
way from what makes it different, is it's all about the positioning of the
cards on that line. Because let's say, for example, there's a landing
and it's worth a lot of points, to you, and you'd just bet
to take that landing. Usually you just bet to perform that on your turn.
But let's say that one side of it is a man in black and
the other side of it is a military. Yeah, they're actually watching that
card because they're adjacent to it on the line. Yeah, so while they're
watching it, you can still perform that activity. But if you do,
they're going to spot you. And when you even spot you, you move
the card in front of you directly on the table and it has a negative
effect mostly. Sometimes they can affect you at the end of the game,
like maybe you lose you some points at the end of the game, or
sometimes they can affect you straight away. So for example, if you get
Skywatchers and they spot you, it drops your maximum hand size, giving you
less options. Now, the cards that you're holding your hands, you've got
powers, which are advanced abilities that you can do and also craft that you
combine with the powers, and they have they have a wide variety of effects,
like some of them will affect the scan line, like maybe move positions
of cards or remove cards. Other ones are more offensive, so you can
use them to attack your other opponents directly. Maybe you causing paralysis on them,
stopping them from doing things for a turn, that sort of thing,
and then others are the other way around and a more defensive. An example
of that is Missing Time, and we've got Missing Time in there's one of
the powers and it allows you to counter a card that's been played against you
by somebody else. So how you use your powers and craft in the game
creates this kind of level of strategic depth that you pick up after numerous games.
And there's certain ways of using the cards, and because you can use
them in tandem, you can you can start to build up nice, nice
links by playing multiple payers one off to the time to get really good points
on your turn. Yeah, we've so yeah. The game. The game
went out was kickstarted a couple of years ago. Kickstarter is a crowdfunding website
where because essentially I don't have the money to manufacture one hundreds and hundreds of
copies of the card game, so Kickstarter allows you to crowdfund it. So
people basically back the game, give you the money, and then you send
that off to the manufacturer and it gets made. We reached our Kickstarter goal.
It was very pleased with that and I was able to make both both
the game and its optional playmat, which i'll briefly display for those of you
watch this on video. You know, the optional playmat is very large in
size, so it's not you don't have to have that, it's just you
don't know. But it looks really nice on the table, got really nice
lip flying triangle appear and the logo the game on the other side. It's
a bit like a poker poker yes, yeah, absolutely, so that line
down the bottom that's where the scan line goes. I've talked about the cards,
and then your decks go at the top, so you don't need it
to play the game, but it makes things look really swish. And then
the cards are nice and bright and vibrant colors, and they look really good
on the sort of dark background on the table. I have to say it's
a very attractive box. Yes, yeah, it was. Yeah. I'm
very pleased with how it all turned out. And it was great having Eric
do the artwork for the game because obviously having his own experiences that helped a
lot. We've actually included one of his experiences inside the actual manual of the
game because I wanted to show people that, you know, he wasn't just
saying he was an experiencer. There's the manual. The manual is themed like
a top secret government documents. Dave's holding it up. It's got it's sort
of like it seems like a top secret document absolutely across it. Yeah,
through there, we've got all the type text in there. This appear is
Bob. He's our alien mascot. I wanted to they kind of face for
UFO Wave, and of course we had to go with the gray. It's
a great called Bob and Bob. It is on the box of the game
and also throughout the manual sort of teaching you how to play it. That
manual has been home to Perfection through abouts on twenty different versions to make sure
that the world was good for the Oh we're hearing about it and seeing it
just now, it makes me want to get a set, and I definitely
will do. I'm sure it's actually it's actually a discount at the moment.
We've actually got out on a short term sale on that at the moment.
So the game and the play map, they can both be found on Amazon
dot head at UK if you're listening from abroad, I do do international orders
as well, but Unfortunately, I can't sell internationally through Amazon. It's extremely
expensive to do that. You need to be much more before. But I
will send things directly as long as opposed to just covered. So just reach
out to me and we can arrange that. So the Yeah, the game's
got a website, ufo Wave game dot Com. I wanted to get ufo
wave dot com, but they'd already nicked that, unfortunately. I don't think
I don't think they were even using it, actually, I think it was
like but uf awavegame dot Com. On the website is a there's our intro
video. We did an animated advert launched video which is wonderful. Has the
background store, and we've got a there's a merchandise store on there, so
if you like the artwork, you can buy t shirts and mugs and all
sorts on there with all the art all over it. There's also we sent
it out for lots of reviews around the world and there's a page on there
with loads of comments of different game reviewers. It's been seen. It's been
seen and reviewed by over thirty five different game reviewers around the world. Something
here in the UK. Others send them abroad. So as uf A wave's
Yeah, some of them say my midlife crisis. It's just something I wanted
to do. It's a it's a total passion project. I don't know whether
it's going to be successful or not. I just did it. I've essentially
what I've gone and created is without a doubt, the most authentic portrayal of
the UFO subject ever seen in any in any tabletop game. I can see
catching on in the UFO field anyway. Yeah, with people that yeah,
absolutely haven't seen it, I'll tell you what. I will put all the
adverts and things on the I've got a Paranormal Dimensions page which I'll or the
links and things on it for Yeah. Yeah, I mean obviously check it
out. And if that's your thing, I've designed it to be kind of
straightforward there. So even if you haven't played many card games before, but
you love the fact that's on your phones, you can easily pick it up.
Like I said, it's made, it's got eight plus on the box.
It could probably be taught to a six year old if they were if
they were, well, if you played the games before, well, I
think that's the I think that's the interesting thing. If you if you got
a family, or you got a father and a younger son. It's actually
good to be able to play a game look At together because you'll you'll actually
learn about things as wrong. Yeah, it can. It can genuinely be
used as a kind of fun way of introducing your kids to the to the
actually your pose terms. You're gonna get terms, and you're going to learn
a bit about the different species out and the different ships and all the different
events that can happen as well. Yeah, there's nuns to famous cases in
there. There's like wording all over the cards, so you'll see little nuds
to Roswell in other cases embedded in the game. So lots to spot if
you're into the subject. But you don't necessarily need to be into UFOs to
kind of understand or play the game. And it's great fun. And I'm
not just say I'm saying that as a game and not not as its designer.
It's just something I did. I just want to did it. I
i'd as think it looks really good, though I'm not what you're saying that
either. It does get one anyway, It's been my pet project for a
while. It's good to finally get it out there. Commercially. Um,
and I'm going to be starting work on my book Connects. So a lot
of billion, a lot of people have asked when I'm going to be releasing
a book, and the time is now A should we say I'm just going
to start it? Yeah together, but yeah, obviously I've dealt with many,
many cases over the years. It's really fascinating things, some of them
some which we talked about today. Well we have to do it again though,
if you want to come maybe in a month, about a month or
two or no problem, Yeah you can go. Yeah, I hope your
game, it does will for you, thank you, it does deserve it.
I'm safe after seeing it and see the work that's got into it.
We're taking into the UK Games Expert at the start of tune. It's the
UK's biggest gaming convention, so for three days straight where we've we've booked out
a table there, so we're going to be allowing people to play test the
game and pick it up from there. Brilliant, So hopefully that will kind
of get it out into the gaming world a bit more. At the moment,
says a lot of people have heard about it through myself on Facebook and
the thing hopefully a few more people hear about it now through through this show.
So yeah, as I say, we'll have to do it again,
Dave. Yeah, it's been great talking to you and getting you on the
show and everything. It's been fantastic seeing you as well. Indeed, I
do hope to see you and maybe in majest if you can make it.
Yeah, can make it, ye, Steve, Actually, sir Stephen Mayor
actually said I'd be able to get a table there to actually solve your phone
came along as well. That would be great, yeah, I mean,
because I'm sure you'd tell a few yeah, yes, yeah, absolutely,
yeah, so I may I may well make it up because you can sign
it as ordering you get signed. Absolutely, yeah, you're always after the
sign um. Yeah, it would be good. Actually, it would be
good because there's some very good speakers this year. And but yeah, as
I said, it's very close to a music festival. You might have to
toss a coiner. Yeah, absolutely, anyway, I'll let you go.
Thank you very much for coming on. It's a been a pleat show and
it's great to seeing you. And good luck with the game again. Thank
you very much. You take care of yourself and I'll speak to you again
too. Thank you. Cheers day go cheers. Oh sorry, eng On,
just before you go, sorry, have you got a context address or
something. Let's go through. Let's go through things. So all the cases
everyone sorry about, all the cases we've gone over today are on the Birming
miofo group website. So the majority of cases that I investigate tend to get
written up as case reports unless the witness specifically asks not to be. You
know, so I'm happy to talk with people privately, but a lot of
the time when laver the details to go out. So all the cases we've
gone over on there, and hundreds more. There's a there's a page you
can do a search for particular things, particular craft types or particular locations or
years or whatever. You can have a look on there, so if you
find things that have happened in your local area, etc. So that's all
on the website. There's also citing to report form on there, so if
you've had an experience and you want to get in touch us, one of
the ways you can do it On Facebook. We've got the organization page for
Social Birmingham You Foe group on their old release. Details of our monthly meetings
where we have various speakers come and talk, sometimes do documentary screenings. They
take place on the first Thursday of every month in Oldbury, North Birmingham,
and anybody's welcome. You don't have to be an official BOOFOG member. Just
check out on the website what's going on the events. You can see upcoming
meetings. I'm actually giving a new talk. I'm putting together a lecture.
I'm missing time at the moment, and I'm going to be giving that for
the first time at the start of June, the first Thursday of June,
which I think, I mean, just get there. I'm just going to
get the date right a second, give you the right date. It was
the first there we go. Yeah, literally the first of I'll be down.
I'll be giving a brand new lecture. I'm screening. I'm missing time.
So we've got We've got our Facebook community page as well, which is
where we talked between meetings. It's called boot fog truth Seekers. I'm the
sole admin of that group and I won't stand for any nonsense. So yeah,
add yourself to the group. It's a safe place where you can talk
about UFOs and other areas of the paranormal Ask Questions, et cetera. As
about one thousand, five hundred members in that at the moment. And yeah,
and I also write for UFO Truth Magazine as well and put out monthly
articles on buy monthly articles on that as well. So I think that covers
it. And we've already gone over the game website as well, up were
UFO wavegap dot com. As I say, I'll put all the links on
the US page anyway. Kay, excellent, Akin, thank you very much
for coming on. Speak to you again soon and take care of yourself.
Excellent. Thank you very much. Cheers again, cheers bye bye, ye,
thank you dames. That was great, excellent and I shall be getting
one of those games and hopefully we'll do another show a bit later. Okay,
my next show, I've got another extra special and that will be on
Monday, the twenty ninth of May. Author Anthony Peak, who's been on
the show about three years ago. Anthony is very well known that he's written
several books on life after death, so I'm sure you'll be interested in that
as we all are. Anthony looks from the scientific side of things, and
I'm sure you'll find it very interesting. Right If you'd like to get in
touch with me at anytime. My email address is David Young took you in
at yahoo dot co dot UK. That's David Young took you in at yahoo
dot co dot UK. So until the next time, that's May the twenty
ninths with Anthony Peak. I should speak to you then and take care of
everybody. I'm David Young and thank you for listening. Bye bye. J
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