1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:06,839 Paranormal Dimensions is fortnightly on Mondays on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. It all 2 00:00:06,879 --> 00:00:11,519 began with an incident which occurred in nineteen forty seven. On the afternoon of 3 00:00:11,599 --> 00:00:16,239 June twenty fourth of that year, Kenneth Arnold made the first report on flying 4 00:00:16,359 --> 00:00:21,679 saucers. On this day, Arnold took off from Chehalis, Washington and flew 5 00:00:21,719 --> 00:00:27,079 toward the Rainier Plateau at an elevation between nine and ten thousand feet over Mineral 6 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,760 Washington, he observed a formation of very bright objects to the north. He 7 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:36,119 radioed ahead that they appeared to be close to the mountaintops and traveling at tremendous 8 00:00:36,119 --> 00:00:41,880 speed. Arnold counted nine objects in echelon formation. He observed that they had 9 00:00:41,920 --> 00:01:23,480 no tails and described them as saucer shaped objects. Hello, this is Nick 10 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:29,480 Pope and you're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the UK's biggest paranormal 11 00:01:29,519 --> 00:01:42,760 network, and this is Paranormal Dimensions with David Young. Hello, we're welcome 12 00:01:42,799 --> 00:01:46,480 to the show. We're all looking forward to the summer. It's struggling a 13 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,879 little bit at the moment, but we're going to be getting there anyway. 14 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,239 I've got a fantastic guest for you again today. People in the UK will 15 00:01:55,239 --> 00:02:00,719 probably know Dave Hodrien. He's a world narn researcher and speaker, and they 16 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,799 will also be telling you it's about an exciting game that is invented. So 17 00:02:05,079 --> 00:02:08,319 I'm very pleased to present Dave Adrian. Hello, Dave, welcome to the 18 00:02:08,319 --> 00:02:12,479 show. Thank you very much. Love it to be here. It's great 19 00:02:12,479 --> 00:02:15,479 to welcome you to Paran All dimensions. And now I know you've been around 20 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,520 for quite a while. I've seen you talk of probably a couple of times. 21 00:02:19,599 --> 00:02:23,000 Now I'm not seeing you for a few years because I think you sort 22 00:02:23,039 --> 00:02:28,599 of took a colt period. No, I mean investigations have been continuing a 23 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,039 pace, but maybe the conferences that you saw me out have stopped running. 24 00:02:31,439 --> 00:02:37,039 So yeah, there's probably still speaking other ones. Yeah, I've not seen 25 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,639 you anything a lot of weighting or anything. I don't think I've been to 26 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,439 Waken again a number of years ago, but not in the not in recent 27 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:49,039 years. And it's just just opportunity really and yeah, yeah just in party 28 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,479 are you going this year? And then maybe but I've going to a music 29 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,560 festival within days of it, so oh, I see you're not going on 30 00:02:55,599 --> 00:03:00,479 in August. Oh, I have to watch out for you if you do 31 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:01,439 to it up. But anyway, oh, yes, as I say, 32 00:03:01,439 --> 00:03:07,639 you'd been investigating UFOs and all sorts of things over the years, whether you 33 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,199 how did you actually get what was your first case? Was it in I 34 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,479 believe it was two thousand and eight, wasn't it early two thousand and eight? 35 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:21,680 Yeah? Essentially the group Birmingham uf group first came into existence in late 36 00:03:21,719 --> 00:03:23,960 two thousand and seven, and I wasn't always the chairman for the group. 37 00:03:24,319 --> 00:03:30,000 It was initially started by another couple of gents from Quinton in Birmingham, but 38 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,840 I was one of the first people to come across the group online that just 39 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:37,039 put out an advert and me and my brother found the advert and thought, 40 00:03:37,039 --> 00:03:40,599 this is really great. There's a UFO group that's within Reach'd been really convenient 41 00:03:40,759 --> 00:03:45,319 just go out there and just meet with light minded people. So I started 42 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,960 going to their group meetings, which actually started in the convert of a pub. 43 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:53,000 Initially, it wasn't even in a functionary they usually don't they so it's 44 00:03:53,039 --> 00:03:55,479 just a nice little gathering just having a chat. But it was about two 45 00:03:55,560 --> 00:04:00,719 or three months after the group had got started that the amen of the group 46 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,039 realized my kind of passion and drive for the subject. Now, on one 47 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:09,039 of those early meetings, there were four lads had come down in a sort 48 00:04:09,039 --> 00:04:15,080 of mid to late twenties and they'd come down the group and they were talking 49 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,680 about a recent year of fosting that they'd had literally within weeks of talking about 50 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:24,319 it, and I thought it'd be really good to go actually to the location 51 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,800 where it took place, because I was chatting with them about it and it 52 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,639 sounded great and it was in the Birmingham area, so I thought, O 53 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:32,279 the bit really interesting to go to the actual location where it happened with the 54 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:38,720 actual witnesses. Now, it wasn't intended as being an investigation, but when 55 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:40,959 the chairman of the group found out that I was doing this, I was 56 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:45,120 going to go to the location. They essentially asked me, would you like 57 00:04:45,199 --> 00:04:48,600 to write it up as a proper sort report for the group, and I'll 58 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,680 say, yeah, absolutely, I'll do that. So on the night itself, 59 00:04:51,959 --> 00:04:55,560 it was a couple of weeks later, just went out to the location 60 00:04:55,959 --> 00:05:00,360 and where this took place was a clearing in a wood in King's Fod, 61 00:05:00,399 --> 00:05:02,759 which is north Birmingham kind of overlooks the area. You can see the lights 62 00:05:02,759 --> 00:05:08,360 of Dudley in the distance, and I've gone there. And what I didn't 63 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,639 tell the witnesses is that I was going to be investigating the case, and 64 00:05:12,759 --> 00:05:15,800 I didn't warn them in advance that I was going to take them to one 65 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,639 side at certain points of the night and interview them in depth about what had 66 00:05:18,639 --> 00:05:23,519 happened. And because it's it's better to go in just blindly like that. 67 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,600 Of course, now there were for them involved, for witnesses, and yeah, 68 00:05:27,639 --> 00:05:30,519 we went to the clearing where the incident happened, which I go over 69 00:05:30,519 --> 00:05:31,600 in a minute, and then at a certain point in the night, I 70 00:05:31,639 --> 00:05:35,000 took them all to one side and the essentially got the details of what had 71 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:41,519 happened and also got them to draw the what had been seen. But yeah, 72 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,480 so yeah, when it's happened, it was it was actually the tenth 73 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,839 of March, I think March, tenth of February, sorry, tent of 74 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:53,199 February in two thousand and eight, and a lot of evenings what they would 75 00:05:53,199 --> 00:05:56,279 do is they would go to this particular clearing in this woods just to hang 76 00:05:56,279 --> 00:06:00,319 out the bother bomb fire sit around it. They'd occasionally have a couple of 77 00:06:00,399 --> 00:06:02,839 drinks, but I will put out there I didn't think that alcohol was anything 78 00:06:02,879 --> 00:06:06,279 to do with what happened at all. So they've gone out and they were 79 00:06:06,319 --> 00:06:10,720 just relaxing around this fire. And it got to about eleven o'clock at night. 80 00:06:10,959 --> 00:06:14,279 Now, obviously due to the fact of his February, it was fully 81 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,680 dark, quite a chilly night, but also very very clear with the view 82 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:21,319 of the stars and kings went for the areas known as Ridgewood, and it's 83 00:06:21,639 --> 00:06:26,199 to the west you can see over Emville and Kinber areas, and it because 84 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,839 it's up on the slope, you get a nice view of the surroundings. 85 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,639 And then on the other way to the east is the lights of Dudley in 86 00:06:31,639 --> 00:06:34,879 the distance. So they're out there in this wood, bun them selves around 87 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:40,839 this bonfire, and one of them, also coincidentally named Dave, gets up 88 00:06:40,879 --> 00:06:43,000 and walks to the edge of the wood just to kind of have a look 89 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,240 around. Is just relaxing, and in the distance across over towards Mville, 90 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:51,319 he sees a glowing orb of mixed colored lights. He thinks it was like 91 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,279 white and red and a bit of blue in there. Now obviously, if 92 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,000 you're seeing colored lights in the distance, even though blue isn't a standard navigation 93 00:06:59,079 --> 00:07:01,439 like that you get on aircraft, you're obviously going to think as a distant 94 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,360 aircraft or helicopter. And it was just moving along, just moving slowly to 95 00:07:05,399 --> 00:07:09,240 the left like that, so it would have been coming down south. He 96 00:07:09,319 --> 00:07:13,279 realized that it was also it simply quite low down, sort of lower than 97 00:07:13,279 --> 00:07:16,439 a helicopter might fly out. And he also realized it was actually getting closer. 98 00:07:16,439 --> 00:07:19,639 It was actually moving towards them. As it was coming in, it 99 00:07:19,839 --> 00:07:23,000 kind of altered course, so it was going to the left, and then 100 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,519 he realized it was sort of coming more their direction. And as he got 101 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,199 nearer, he thoughted and looked right at all. Doesn't look like a normal 102 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,560 aircraft in any way. So he calls over his friends, the other three 103 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,040 witnesses. They're all watching this thing approach, and when they got a good 104 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:43,279 look at it, what they described was an octagonal shaped black disc essentially so 105 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,160 like a flattened octagon, had numerous lights. In the base of it, 106 00:07:46,199 --> 00:07:50,319 there was a central white lights and then around the edge four of the lights. 107 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:56,800 So there's quite a few cases of flying triangles where triangular shoutcraft with lights 108 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,160 at the corners, a scene of investigating many cases of those over the gears, 109 00:08:00,279 --> 00:08:03,480 but this was octagonal. But again it had the lights positioned kind of 110 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,120 around the outer edges and this central light. And it came in and they 111 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,480 realized it was completely completely silent. As it got near it, it started 112 00:08:11,519 --> 00:08:16,240 to ascend to keep in the altitude with the edge of the hill, and 113 00:08:16,279 --> 00:08:20,600 it came in and they moved back to the clearing as it approached, and 114 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,600 it literally went over their heads. It went over the top of the clearing, 115 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,199 and as it was going over it actually slowed down a bit, for 116 00:08:26,279 --> 00:08:28,680 you said, for a few seconds, almost like it was jacking the mount, 117 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,799 and then it sped up again and kind of carried on eastward across the 118 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,879 across the wood. Now, of course they want to keep keep an eye 119 00:08:35,879 --> 00:08:39,320 on this thing, because what on earth it is. Obviously it's very strange. 120 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,879 They think it was about sort of thirty or forty foot across a quite 121 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:46,360 a sizable thing, and they could see above the trees, and it certainly 122 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,200 appeared low enough that if it had been making sound, they would have heard 123 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,519 it. They semed to be completely silent, and in talking with them about 124 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,159 this, lots of little anecdotal details came out, like one of the witnesses 125 00:08:58,519 --> 00:09:01,679 he actually tripped over your tree branch. Could quite dark out there in the 126 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,159 forest, so he's running through the woods and he accidentally tripped over a tree 127 00:09:05,159 --> 00:09:07,480 branch and hurt his ankle and that sort of thing. So there was these 128 00:09:07,519 --> 00:09:11,039 little anecdotal details that kind of rang true of me as being a real case. 129 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,080 They got to the edge of the wood and they watched this thing move 130 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:20,159 off in the distance of Dudling, and at this point they it's really interesting. 131 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,879 They said that they watched it for hot half an hour, so they 132 00:09:24,919 --> 00:09:26,799 all what felt like half an hour to them, for an extended period of 133 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:31,440 time essentially so, and in a distance, it just looked like a helicopter 134 00:09:31,519 --> 00:09:35,039 or something like that, like a patrol helicopter. Now it's entirely possible that 135 00:09:35,159 --> 00:09:37,840 maybe at some point they got modeled up with a helicopter and we're watching a 136 00:09:37,879 --> 00:09:41,080 helicopter at a distance. Maybe, but to their knowledge, they didn't lose 137 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,480 track of it. They just watched it move away and then they could see 138 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:48,720 us like sort of moving backwards and forwards over the housing, and they watched 139 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,000 it for quite a period of time. After a while, they actually left 140 00:09:52,039 --> 00:09:56,639 the area with the objects still visible in the distance, which is incredible. 141 00:09:56,639 --> 00:09:58,000 And two of the witnesses actually saw it again on the way home from a 142 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,320 different angle, looked at the same direction, and it was still over there 143 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:07,039 to their knowledge. So that's kind of the That's the first case that I 144 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,279 officially investigated for the group, because what I did is it wrote out the 145 00:10:11,399 --> 00:10:13,919 details of what happened, got them to do drawings and everything, which they 146 00:10:13,919 --> 00:10:18,279 are all correlated very very well. There was slight differences between them. You 147 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,120 get that where multiple witness cases always will be like minor differences, not just 148 00:10:22,159 --> 00:10:26,679 for UFOs with anything. So say ten people watch a car crash and the 149 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:31,480 police investigate them, there's going to be minor differences between their different recollections of 150 00:10:31,519 --> 00:10:35,919 events somewhat similar. But I was very very I was very impressed with the 151 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,000 case. It certainly came across very believable. The witnesses did not appear to 152 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:43,120 be making it up, like they fabricated a story in advance. And yeah, 153 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:48,279 I wrote out a detailed case report, and that essentially became the first 154 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,480 case report that I put out for Birmingham UFO Group. So from that point 155 00:10:52,519 --> 00:10:56,120 onwards, in early two thousand and eight, I've been the official investigator for 156 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:01,960 the group. In i'm a two thousand and nine I got taken on as 157 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,120 the chairman of the group as well. For the original chairman. It was 158 00:11:05,159 --> 00:11:09,080 a kind of short term thing. It requires quite a lot of dedicated time 159 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,120 and effort to do this on a regular basis and keep the group running alongside 160 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,559 all the investigator work. And they knew I'd be the right person for the 161 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:22,639 job, so they handed over the chairman responsibilities. They still came down the 162 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,399 meetings from time to time. Occasionally they'll turn up our monthly meetings. And 163 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:31,559 since then I've also taken on two other investigators who assist with certain cases or 164 00:11:31,639 --> 00:11:37,039 i'd say about over the cases are still investigated and documented by myself. Well, 165 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,120 is just a lot going on there that you see? Yeah, so, 166 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,360 I mean cases are still happening. There was one literally from the start 167 00:11:45,399 --> 00:11:50,879 of March in bell Broughton of a flying triangle, large large black triangular craft 168 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:56,639 went straight over somebody's house and continued southward. Know if let's say it didn't 169 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:01,399 change course, it would have literally flown right across be brought in town center. 170 00:12:01,759 --> 00:12:05,279 So it's possible there's other witnesses out there who have either yet to come 171 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:09,200 forward or maybe confided in somebody else. The problem is with the with your 172 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:15,879 first subject is there's so many different groups and investigating their own cases. It's 173 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,600 very hard to tell because there's no definite database where it's all stored, whether 174 00:12:18,879 --> 00:12:22,919 something's on record or not. And of course a lot of people tend to 175 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:28,120 keep experiences to themselves, so yeah, because the ridiculed that. Yeah, 176 00:12:28,159 --> 00:12:31,200 so they might confide in the family of friends, but they won't reach out 177 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:37,080 to a researcher like myself to get it officially documented. But the individual that 178 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,720 this it was actually two witnesses with this one. It was an elderly chap 179 00:12:41,799 --> 00:12:46,679 and his carer and the key witness. He actually had a background in aviation, 180 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:48,240 really like going to air shows and that sort of thing. So it 181 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,519 was it was very impressed by the by the sighting of this thing that went 182 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,600 right of his house. In you it wasn't a normal aircraft and also it 183 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:01,759 definitely wasn't it was a solid singular objects. So some flying triangle sizings can 184 00:13:01,799 --> 00:13:05,080 be of course, three lights that just happened to be in a triangular formation, 185 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:11,320 and people will kind of fill in the gaps essentially and imagine some sort 186 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,320 of triangular shout craft. But the Phoenix lights I think were a bit like 187 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,440 that, weren't they. Yeah, Yeah, it's an interesting one because there 188 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,080 was some of the witnesses actually actually said it was separate objects and of close 189 00:13:22,159 --> 00:13:26,200 and then other ones actually said it that it was a solid boomerangs checks thing. 190 00:13:26,799 --> 00:13:31,639 And I actually, I actually investigated a case of a new witness with 191 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:37,159 a military background, believe or not, went on the record from seeing the 192 00:13:37,159 --> 00:13:41,919 Phoenix lights. It's the first time I've spoken with somebody because obviously there's hundreds 193 00:13:41,919 --> 00:13:45,440 of people were involved in that case of hundreds of witnesses of this thing or 194 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:50,480 whatever it was. And I was hoping that one day I'd be able to 195 00:13:50,519 --> 00:13:54,360 speak with at least one one witness of the Phoenix lights incident. And it 196 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,240 was a couple of years ago. I was investigating a case with a so 197 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,799 the gentleman had a military background, but he actually had lots of UFO and 198 00:14:01,879 --> 00:14:09,320 contact experiences since childhood, coincidentally alongside this sighting of the Phoenix lights. But 199 00:14:09,399 --> 00:14:13,240 yeah, he came forward, and it was really interesting speaking to him. 200 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:18,879 Where he had actually seen it was between Phoenix and Tuscan, So after it 201 00:14:18,879 --> 00:14:22,559 had gone over, the air of Phoenix had continued kind of southeast direction, 202 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,360 roughly close to the main road, and he'd been out shopping for the day 203 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:31,519 in Phoenix and they were driving back home to Tuscan and he actually saw the 204 00:14:31,559 --> 00:14:35,360 craft from a kind of US say craft, you know, obviously people have 205 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,559 different opinions, but whatever it was, Ufo saw the thing from a side 206 00:14:39,559 --> 00:14:43,639 perspective and he said it was definitely a solid thing. He said, you 207 00:14:43,679 --> 00:14:46,399 could see it blocking out the stars. And he didn't say he didn't see 208 00:14:46,399 --> 00:14:48,840 the proper sort of v shape of it because he was viewing it from a 209 00:14:48,879 --> 00:14:52,960 side perspective, so he could see that there's kind of large, largest object 210 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,080 with a number of white lights towards the right hand side, which would have 211 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,720 been on the leading edge of the thing, because the lights were actually moving 212 00:14:58,759 --> 00:15:01,879 in unison, which would leave to a lot of solid look. Yes, 213 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,960 absolutely, yeah, so's it's very very interesting. I mean, with his 214 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:11,559 military background, obviously he'd be very familiar with seeing both military and civilian aircraft 215 00:15:11,559 --> 00:15:16,080 and knowing how to identify them at different distances and everything. He was actually 216 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,240 work, He was actually working on one of the military bases in the vicinity 217 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,639 of Phoenix at the time, but he'd taken a week off and had gone 218 00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:26,759 out shopping on the day of the incident, so he actually wasn't on the 219 00:15:26,799 --> 00:15:28,519 base. But when he got back to the base a few days later, 220 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:33,399 he actually checked it with his officers, et cetera, and that's where he 221 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:37,480 found out that it wasn't theirs. When he first saw it, he thought, 222 00:15:37,559 --> 00:15:41,639 this has got to be some kind of classified military thing. We've got 223 00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:45,559 to know what this is. And he actually didn't tell his wife that while 224 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,320 he was looking at because he was in the car. He'd gone out and 225 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,279 saw this thing, and he didn't tell her because he thought when he saw 226 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,000 it, he thought, this has got to be classified. I shouldn't be 227 00:15:54,039 --> 00:15:58,519 looking at this. And when he got back to the base a few days 228 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,600 later after the end of his break period, that's where he found out that 229 00:16:02,639 --> 00:16:06,440 they that it wasn't launched by them or anything, and he realized that it 230 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:11,240 was anomalous and he certainly seemed to put it down to an off world craft 231 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:15,519 of some kind. Yeah, yeah, I think the amazing thing with me. 232 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,360 As we know in the in the in the States, they've got lots 233 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:21,919 of air force spaces already, the desert areas, Like in a scheme of 234 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:26,039 things, you've got a lot of what sends um area fifty. Well, 235 00:16:26,039 --> 00:16:29,360 and if you like all these plots sort of places. So I mean, 236 00:16:29,559 --> 00:16:33,639 would you what's your opinion of somebody's triangular Do you think some of them could 237 00:16:33,639 --> 00:16:37,399 actually be our our craft? Yeah, I'll say ours in the general term, 238 00:16:37,399 --> 00:16:40,320 you know what I mean. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, So I 239 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:41,440 think that, yeah, at least some of them are going to be human 240 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:48,159 flown things, either kind of some black projects or people misidentifying military craft like 241 00:16:48,279 --> 00:16:52,919 stealth aircraft for for something other. But alongside that, I think that some 242 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:59,559 of them definitely aren't. So I've dealt with numerous contact cases where people where 243 00:16:59,559 --> 00:17:04,200 people have described flying triangles just like that, and I actually been taken up 244 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:08,799 into them and had abduction type experiences with non human energies aboard. So, 245 00:17:10,799 --> 00:17:15,440 and there's other cases on record I'm directly investigated, but cases I'm aware of 246 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,559 where people have seen these things landed on the ground and seen non human energies 247 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:25,400 around them on the ground. So it certainly appears that at least some of 248 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:30,880 them are non human, And now I'm quite cautious with how I describe things, 249 00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:36,000 so my personal viewpoint of what's going on with this, I certainly believe 250 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:41,160 that there's multiple types or species. There seems to be of these beings. 251 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,480 They appear to be working together towards common agendas, so there's some sort of 252 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:51,839 agreement going on between them. Their exact origin, my personal opinion is the 253 00:17:51,839 --> 00:17:57,079 most likely explanation is that they are extraterrestrial but also possess extremely advanced characteristics like 254 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:03,480 extra dimensional type of bill is. There's there's numerous reasons for why I believe 255 00:18:03,559 --> 00:18:06,680 that, from some of the things that I've been told by experiences over the 256 00:18:06,759 --> 00:18:11,640 years, to the kind of vast technology on display and some of the characteristics 257 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,359 of the things. But obviously there's a lot of different opinions on the exact 258 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,599 origins. Some people believe that they're actually from our future and a center back 259 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:23,640 by future givements, or even our future humans. But I think the important 260 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,480 thing to realize is that it's going on and that it's not human in origin, 261 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:33,799 unless so the exact the exact origin, there's so many unanswered questions with 262 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,920 this, And even if let's say, for example, there's a contact experience 263 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,759 and somebody has an abduction and they see grays aboard, for example, and 264 00:18:41,799 --> 00:18:45,839 the grays telepathically speak with them, and they tell them we're from this particular 265 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,359 statists, and remember, they'll show them a map of it, or they'll 266 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,200 get a vision in the head of the home planet or whatever. Yeah, 267 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,359 how do we know that the beings are telling the truth? Well, yeah, 268 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:00,920 there's always there. Yeah, And because they can do very advanced things 269 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,640 like implanted memories in people's heads, show them visions that appear to be real 270 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:11,839 and everything, even change their own their own appearance or the appearance of their 271 00:19:11,839 --> 00:19:18,000 craft using screen memories, there's definitely a covert level going on with this. 272 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,480 You know. I don't believe that they want the human race to openly know 273 00:19:21,599 --> 00:19:25,680 about what's happening, about what they're doing. Now. There are, of 274 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:30,279 course lots of cases where where things have been seen, but I think that 275 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,079 a lot of the time that's accidental. There's a lot of cases on record 276 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:37,640 where they appear to have been seen in very rural areas or in the dead 277 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,880 of night, and often the person is kind of on their own, or 278 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,720 the witnesses are on their own and nobody else happened to be around. Now, 279 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,960 sometimes there's oddities with that, like times distortion and this sort of thing. 280 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:52,519 There's so many advanced aspects to this subject, and there's a lot of 281 00:19:52,599 --> 00:19:57,559 unanswered questions. But yeah, my viewpoints, I come at it from a 282 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:03,079 positive light, as in it's really genuinely going on. But I'm also quite 283 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:07,200 grounded with it, and I think you have to be because the majority of 284 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,079 things that are seen them gone Monday and explanations, And I've spoken with so 285 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,319 many people over the years where they've just gone down the rabbit hole with this 286 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,240 subject, you know, and they just think that like literally everything is like 287 00:20:18,279 --> 00:20:22,680 a spacecraft. There's so many things out there that are flying around, and 288 00:20:22,799 --> 00:20:26,519 even in more modern years, for example, we've obviously got drones, so 289 00:20:26,599 --> 00:20:30,599 a number of years ago it sold pre two thousand and fifteen, Yeah, 290 00:20:30,839 --> 00:20:33,960 drones weren't commercially available. They were still being used by the military, but 291 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:38,799 they weren't commercially available yet. But in the past, somebody could have reported 292 00:20:38,839 --> 00:20:45,039 seeing a kind of glowing red light or lights that shot sideways suddenly stopped dead, 293 00:20:45,559 --> 00:20:48,119 made a really fast vertical ascent and then zipped away like a pullet. 294 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:53,519 Yeah, sounds amazing, doesn't It sounds incredible. It's not classic ufootype details 295 00:20:53,559 --> 00:20:56,559 there now. In the past that would have seemed very, very impressive. 296 00:20:56,799 --> 00:21:02,200 But today, if subody tells me that, then it's entirely possible that what 297 00:21:02,279 --> 00:21:04,720 they've seen is a distant drone. Yeah, because and after dark, obviously 298 00:21:04,759 --> 00:21:07,920 you lose all kind of bearing us to have far away from the from from 299 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,319 you objects are because there's no point of reference. So sometimes a kind of 300 00:21:11,319 --> 00:21:17,000 smaller object closer can appear like a much bigger object to a great distance. 301 00:21:17,319 --> 00:21:21,759 Absolutely right. There were lots of cases like Unfortunately that's what we face now, 302 00:21:21,799 --> 00:21:23,200 isn't it as a You know, if you're doing research, you've got 303 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,359 to look at the drone aspect of it now. Yeah, could it have 304 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,640 been a drone? Yeah, apart from all the different aircraft that you see. 305 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,920 I mean, I mean, I'll tell you I thought back in the 306 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:38,440 nineteen sixty seven I mean, I said on this show several times I saw 307 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:44,000 a big oval orange object and across the night score which was pulsating. There's 308 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,880 all different shades of orange. It seems like we don't see so many of 309 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,440 these. Oh no, they are still seen, I think, all these 310 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,519 orange objects and things, but it seems to be that the triangular object seems 311 00:21:55,559 --> 00:21:59,799 to have taken over as being the number one object now that gets seen. 312 00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:03,400 Would you agree with it? Yeah, I think that part I think partially 313 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,160 the reason for that is the ban on sky lanterns. So a lot of 314 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,400 the orange orbs sightings from the past that I've investigated our previous years. If 315 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,759 you go back through my case files and they go back to the early years, 316 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,200 like one in every three cases at least was orange orbs. Yeah, 317 00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:22,279 I can guarantee this one wasn't because yeah, absolutely, Yeah. I mean 318 00:22:22,279 --> 00:22:26,960 I've dealt with some cases involving orange glowing orbs of light. The performed very 319 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,480 intelligent maneuvers, you know, have followed people for a number of miles, 320 00:22:32,279 --> 00:22:34,400 changing direction when they change direction, that sort of thing. So straight away, 321 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,799 with those sort of cases, you can rule out lanterns. Yeah, 322 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,599 but there's a lot of cases, and there's even been some more recently. 323 00:22:41,599 --> 00:22:45,079 You don't really you don't get as much anymore because obviously because of the fire 324 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,799 risks, they've stopped set. Yeah, so there's a lot less cases of 325 00:22:48,839 --> 00:22:52,839 orange orbs these days because of that, but you still get them occasionally, 326 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,960 and of course people still have them stored away. Like the last New Year 327 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:57,759 I saw, you know, there was a little couple still in the sky, 328 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,200 nothing like the great numbers that we used to get it. There's always 329 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,119 going to be somebody breaking the rules, that's right, yes, absolutely, 330 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,680 yeah, so you know they might have kept them away in the garage and 331 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,599 they're like, oh, let's finally light it, so people will still see 332 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,680 it. But these days, obviously you've got things like Starlink now as well, 333 00:23:14,759 --> 00:23:17,759 which again is muddy in the water is quite a lot. So when 334 00:23:17,799 --> 00:23:22,799 these starling launches happen, of which has been multiple, of course, I 335 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,000 almost always will get at least one signing reports of them, and some of 336 00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:29,359 them have been quite dramatic into where people be like, oh my god, 337 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,240 there's a there's an armada of space. They're all coming across the sky one 338 00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:37,039 after the other. It's definitely intelligent, you know, so shows there that 339 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,279 if you don't know what you're looking at, if you don't know what starlink 340 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,920 is, and you don't know that they all launched together and do follow along 341 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,039 a straight course until they kind of spread out with their own rockets. You 342 00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:49,160 can see how you can see how that would look impressive to some people. 343 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,200 Another recent example, while we're on the subject of kind of mundane objects, 344 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:59,279 up near Stoke ONMS Trends, there's a there's an events center and they sometimes 345 00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:03,079 shine these massive search lights into the air, and when they hit the cloud 346 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,640 layer there there are in a circular shape. Now, if you don't know 347 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,319 what you're looking at, it can look extremely impressive, and you might view 348 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,119 it as a large disc shaped craft hidden in the clouds and you're just seeing 349 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:18,400 the lights coming through the clouds, whereas an actual fact is just an events 350 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:23,839 engine and search lights. So again it's with each case you have to kind 351 00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:27,839 of just look at the aspects iron and not just what's seen, how it's 352 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:33,240 moved, the lighting conditions, everything, background of the individual, how it 353 00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:37,519 easily swayed they are, whether they're looked into the UFOs subjects. Because let's 354 00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:41,519 say there's an individual and they've never really haven't gotten interest in UFOs. Yeah, 355 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,839 they might have seen a couple of episodes of X Files or something like 356 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,759 that, but them they're not really into the subject properly that can come across 357 00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:52,799 as far more believable than somebody who's just been looking into the subject for years 358 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,359 knows exactly what to look for. Maybe they're purposely looking at every night, 359 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:02,119 desperate to see something with their own ey. Yeah. So when they say 360 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,240 they're going to be more easily this way, did they see something mundane, 361 00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:07,559 They're going to be like, oh my god, finally how to go a 362 00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:11,759 phase sighting? Um, And they can get quite protective of that as well. 363 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,759 So I've spoke with people, well I've told them categorically that they've seen 364 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,039 a drone or they've seen a Chinese lantern or whatever, and they just won't 365 00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:22,079 have it, like no, no, no, it's definitely a spacecraft. 366 00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:25,799 And I'm like, well, oh yeah, I mean you couldn't even certificate, 367 00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:29,759 you know, like you say, it could be it's a dimensional craft 368 00:25:29,759 --> 00:25:32,920 for all you know. But well yeah, well yeah, yeah, yeah, 369 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,319 well a craft, yeah, absolutely, certain advanced craft exactly. So 370 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,920 it's um yeah, So it's very very difficult. People get set in their 371 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,200 ways and if they see something, they want it to be something unusual. 372 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,799 Among the time. If somebody sees something that there's impressed them and they think 373 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,359 is a bit unusual. They they might kind of embellish kind of how it 374 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,960 was. That said, I've dealt with quite a few cases where people have 375 00:25:56,039 --> 00:26:02,920 seen things proper close proper structured objects don't don't disk flying triangles, spheres are 376 00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:06,759 tic TACs. I mean obviously up until a few years ago they were called 377 00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:11,880 cigars, were referred to them a cigar craft and essentially tik taks a cigar 378 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,079 a rounded end. Yeah, that's what I mean. Tig taxs. We're 379 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,799 quite bigger to sixties, weren't they not, the sigar shaped teams. Yeah. 380 00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:22,880 And also if you look at a surcer from sideways, he looks like, 381 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,000 as well, you've got that as all? Yeah, and then's yeah, 382 00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:30,240 I mean talking about that. Yeah, the same as with orbs. 383 00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:36,160 So after dark, obviously, if there's a craft at a distance and it's 384 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,400 it's glowing, it's just going to bleed into and just look like a glowing 385 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,119 orb. So they're going to describe a glowing orb unless it gets within range 386 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:47,160 and they can actually see its actual true shape. So I think that that 387 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:52,720 is why glowing orbs are one of them more commonly described types, probably one 388 00:26:52,759 --> 00:26:56,319 of the most common I've never done any exact count, but I believe that 389 00:26:56,839 --> 00:27:00,119 the cases I've investigated the most common type. Again, it's going to be 390 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,480 clothing orbs. And then obviously you've got spheres as well as in the daytime, 391 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,559 they're not going to be clothing, although they can so they can obviously 392 00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:11,680 reflect the sunlight. But then a lot of the sphere sightings would easily be 393 00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:17,079 drifting, drifting milo bloomed. But again it's all it's all down to the 394 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,799 movement. It's as much down to the movement as it is appearance of the 395 00:27:19,799 --> 00:27:26,319 object. In some way it's more interesting and and and more compelling in a 396 00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:30,359 way. So somebody sees a sphere and it's hovering for a couple of minutes 397 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,359 and then all of a sudden shoots offer thousands of miles an hour and just 398 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,920 straight up or off into the distance. Yeah, balloon, I'll tell you 399 00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:41,079 so. Very interesting. More wife, when we were living in Suffolk, 400 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,240 it was a Sunday, I know, it was a Sunday and it was 401 00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:48,720 yeah, it was really hot. We're sitting on our sun dick outside and 402 00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:52,400 all of a sudden we're worse or like objects up in the sky. If 403 00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:56,279 you said what are those? And there's like three objects in a triangular shape 404 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,119 at it's your days on and then behind find it boy or I don't know 405 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,440 how far. It was quite a big gap. There was another three you 406 00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:07,480 were all going all together. So what they were I don't know they were 407 00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:11,839 this is daytime, but they were like white white help jects. Yeah, 408 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,519 sohen you've got the ideas on that. No, No, I mean obviously 409 00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:19,039 you do get some you do get some novelty balloons and that sort of thing, 410 00:28:19,079 --> 00:28:22,680 but it all depends on me. They seem to me, why control, 411 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,880 they seem to be very very high you know, yes, yeah, 412 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,519 interesting, I mean obviously you could have kind of there's flights of aircraft as 413 00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:34,039 well. At a very high altitude, you're gonna it's gonna lose their definition 414 00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:37,960 and just like kind of white sort of triangular or white dots. Yeah, 415 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,200 well you think you'd hear those? Because I were relieved. It was very 416 00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:45,000 quiet. There was no there was no sound of any jets or anything. 417 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,480 You think that six jets would make a head of a wrecket going of course 418 00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:51,599 the store? Well absolutely, yeah, and the white color is interesting as 419 00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:53,079 well. I've done I've dealt with a few cases there were the white white 420 00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:59,000 colored objects. Was a white flying triangle case from from wild Back I remember 421 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,000 had a red red light one corner, blew it in one corner and green 422 00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:06,079 at the other corner, and really interesting and that one was that one was 423 00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:08,640 on the coast and now the witness actually watched it sort of fly out to 424 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:15,039 see them. Interesting. Yeah, some odd things going on. Yeah, 425 00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:18,279 so there's some other things. Well, one one evening we had some young 426 00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:21,279 puppies. Obably they're grown up now, but when we had their puppies, 427 00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:23,319 we had to take them outside in the evening to sort of a week before 428 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:29,799 bid and everything again. But what saw these two pods flying across the sky. 429 00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:33,000 They look like gray pods flying across the sky. They were light at 430 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,039 all. Yeah, and I couldn't see him at first. Well see I 431 00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:40,400 don't have she spoiled them, but but they looked like they were flying in 432 00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:44,480 Unison. So we're going which which the actually were going. I think they 433 00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:48,720 were going Northwoods. Yeah, but yeah, they were like gray because you 434 00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:51,039 could just barely make them out, you know, there were no lights on 435 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,000 at all. So that was that was another strange one. But I don't 436 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,200 know if you've heard things like that, things without lights on. Yeah, 437 00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:00,519 yeah, absolutely, Yeah, So i'man lot of the time after dark obviously, 438 00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:04,680 the only the only way people genuinely genuinely see them is when they're when 439 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:10,839 they're glowing. Yeah, so, or they can sometimes see things blocking out 440 00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:14,319 the stars, like we mentioned the Phoenix lights and that was a bit like 441 00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:18,480 that. But yeah, and then sometimes there's a cloud lay and kind of 442 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,920 make out objects against that after dark. But obviously most non lit sightings are 443 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,559 going to be kind of daylight sightings, and a lot of the time the 444 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,000 objects don't seem to kind of have glowing lights on them during the day time, 445 00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:36,359 but when they are, they can sometimes you can sometimes be people can 446 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,839 be convinced there's lights where it's actually a reflection of sunlight. As a very 447 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,720 good, very good example of that from a while back, it was actually 448 00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:51,880 a so what they described was a long, cylindrical shaped craft with flashing rainbow 449 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,720 colored lights along as I thought, wow, that's very interesting, Sam to 450 00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:59,000 the wild. I mean they speak with them, they said, yeah, 451 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,039 I've got it on video as well. I was, ah, fantastic, 452 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,440 and they can you send me the video footage? Yeah? Sure, So 453 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,200 they email me through the video footage, and essentially what it was was a 454 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,680 solo airship, which a lot of people still don't know what those are. 455 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,839 They're quite rare. You can buy them online in front of events or ten 456 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,799 pound. They are massive, long, black color, usually black colored balloons 457 00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:23,440 that fill up in the with the hot air and the summer's dan drift up 458 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,039 into the sky. Now, usually they're going to be tethered like a kite, 459 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:33,160 but sometimes they can break from a break off and if there's a wind 460 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,240 that they'll they'll spiral. So I've dealt with some cases where people have seen 461 00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:40,680 them rotating and moving across the sky, but if it's still, but often 462 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,359 they'll turn vertical and they'll just sit vertical in the sky. Yeah. So 463 00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:45,480 if you don't know what you're looking at, you're like, what on earth 464 00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:52,079 is that? Yeah? Yeah, absolutely so. And what it was was 465 00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:56,079 the sunlight was glinting off it, making these rainbow colored flashes of light that 466 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,680 they were interpreting as lights on the craft. And I went back to them 467 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,200 and told that's what it was. They looked it up online and they said, 468 00:32:02,279 --> 00:32:06,319 yeah, I agree, and they were fine with that explanation. So, 469 00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:10,319 yeah, there's been even a few professionals been taken in by flying balloons. 470 00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:16,880 Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's very there's a there's a lot 471 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,240 going on out there, you know, and if you see something that you're 472 00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:23,000 not used to seeing on a daily basis, or even it is something normal 473 00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:27,359 like an aircraft, that you're viewing it in particular lighting conditions, from a 474 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,680 particular direction or whatever, it can look very impressive. So you have to 475 00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:36,559 remain kind of quite granded with the subject and I consider myself quite grounded, 476 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,319 while at the same time certainly believing that it's genuine and going on on a 477 00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:45,240 global level. Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, that was some very very impressive 478 00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:47,279 cases every the gears. Yeah, well you're like you're saying you mentioned about 479 00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:51,200 the triangular craft. I mean they've been seeing all over the world as well. 480 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,480 It's just an American thing or a UK thing. It's actually everywhere. 481 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,079 Yeah, you've got one written down here July not in it, you're Knowine 482 00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:01,920 off the coast of Grease actually appy. Yeah, Yeah, that was an 483 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,799 incredible case that that came my way just a couple of a couple of years 484 00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:13,559 ago. It involved an ex aircraft mechanic who as he is essentially retired from 485 00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:16,640 his position in the Greek Air Force. It took a lot of time to 486 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:22,279 gain his trust. He was very, very cautious because the incident that he 487 00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:28,200 wanted to discuss with me was classified and is to this day classified. Now, 488 00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:32,119 once I've spoken him with him for a long while, I kind of 489 00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:37,279 essentially convinced him that I wasn't going to just pass out his name and that 490 00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:40,799 sort of thing to the news or anything like that. And he then opened 491 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,559 up, and obviously I had to get background check on him, and to 492 00:33:44,599 --> 00:33:49,119 get his background check, he actually sent me photographs of his actual uniform with 493 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,279 his name on and he also sent photographs of himself actually on the air base 494 00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:57,680 where the incident happened. Now, he wouldn't let me put the uniform pictures 495 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,160 in the case report. He said those were for me only. As I 496 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:06,039 say, was ratios a lot of trust involved in absolutely, But the cases 497 00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:08,199 on the air on the airbase are actually in the report with his face blackdown. 498 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,280 He allowed me to put those in there. So with his background confirmed, 499 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,679 we started to discuss what happened. Now, this incident happened back in 500 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:22,320 nineteen eighty six and it involved him and his entire squadron as twelve people. 501 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:27,039 So a squad was made up of four aircraft mechanics, four pilots and four 502 00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:34,159 weapons experts, and their particular squadron was essentially there were training exercises, yes, 503 00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:39,400 so on the base they would essentially do these test operations and imagine that 504 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:44,400 a foreign power had invaded and then they'd have to act like it was a 505 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:50,440 live thing. So just an exercise. And during while he was stationed in 506 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,559 these exercises, they would essentially sit at one end of the base and the 507 00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:57,880 u western end of the runway, just in a building, and they had 508 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,920 night duty, so they did there together, just chatting eight the night and 509 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,639 of course most times nothing would happen. Yeah, and then occasionally while they're 510 00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:07,880 on shift, they do one of these false alarms and they'd all have DApps 511 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,760 like they were being attacked and get airborne as fast as possible, et cetera. 512 00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:14,960 Well, on this particular night, by the way, the base, 513 00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:16,639 he wouldn't allow me to say the name of the base, as I say, 514 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,280 very shifty, but it's a large base on the east coast of Greece, 515 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:27,480 and if you go looking on the Rushington yeah, exactly so, but 516 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,800 I'm not you know, yeah, whatever he's requested not to go out, 517 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,920 we'll not go out obviously for myself. So essentially, they were in this 518 00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:39,920 building and it was about half past midnight, and they were doing a shift 519 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,639 change, so him and one of the other mechanics were changing over see, 520 00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:45,800 the other mechanic had been outside with the planes. He'd been sitting inside, 521 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,519 and they had a shift change. He steps outside and the other one goes 522 00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:53,000 in. For rest lovely clear night. He said, these stars were out 523 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:59,360 and everything, and looking looking to the east, right along the main the 524 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:04,079 main baseviously, right down the central strip, about five hundred yards away, 525 00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:08,679 he sees several lights in a triangular formation. Now this time there were red 526 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,599 lights, So red lights in the triangular shape. I thought, that's weird. 527 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,280 It seemed to be about over the middle of the runway, just pretty 528 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,960 much central on the base, about five hundred yards from their position to the 529 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,840 east. And it was hovering sort of several hundred feet up, so not 530 00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:27,840 massively higher up either, you know, no, you said no higher than 531 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,599 I think it was no higher than a thousand feet. So we're not talking 532 00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:34,079 about something rider pire like an aircraft. It was more like a helicopter sort 533 00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:36,920 of height. So he calls out the rest of his squadron to see this 534 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,199 and points it out and they're listening and they can't hear any sound or anything, 535 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:45,199 and these three lights are just hovering there motionless. Now, they couldn't 536 00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:46,960 see the main body of the object with the distance, but he said that 537 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:52,079 there was a slight movement going on with the three lights, and it's all 538 00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:54,480 intents and purposes. He said it was a singular object even though they couldn't 539 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,840 see it because it was darker. So it hovers there for a couple of 540 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,960 minutes without moving, and then without warning, shoots off like a bullet, 541 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,840 just goes bang like that after the east and they lose it in the space 542 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,599 for a second. So it wasn't like it vanished and they didn't see it 543 00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:12,679 leave. They all saw it go and saw it fly off a thousands of 544 00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:16,519 miles an hour to the horizon instantly. That sort of movement capability essentially completely 545 00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:22,559 removes any any mundane explanation pretty much. Yeah, it was certainly something very 546 00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:25,239 anomalous. Now at this point when they see this or what on earth was 547 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,679 that? And they think that the alarms are going to go off from the 548 00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:30,920 base because they think, well, they're going to have this thing on radar 549 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:35,320 and they're going to launch the jets to intercept it or whatever. Nothing, 550 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,320 there's no alarm goes off or anything. So they go back inside their building 551 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,199 and they're all talking about what they've just seen and I think it must have 552 00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:45,559 been seen by other people on the base, why they detected it and that 553 00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:46,920 sort of thing, and there was nothing at all. So it comes to 554 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,679 the end of their shift about six in the morning, and they go back 555 00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:53,559 to their barracks for a sleepier and there's another another squadron kind of takes their 556 00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:59,760 place when they wake up that the following afternoon, they all get called to 557 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:05,519 the superior's office and when they go down there, he essentially starts by saying 558 00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:08,519 to them, we're aware that you saw something last night, and what he 559 00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:15,440 claimed it was was a test of a new type of air wax aircraft. 560 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,400 Yeah, that's the ones of the large round radar. This is on the 561 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,000 top. So in other words, absolutely nothing like what they saw. Because 562 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:30,000 the wax aircraft have to continuely move because they're an airplane that helicopter, they 563 00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:34,239 don't look like three red lights in a triangular formation, and they definitely do 564 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,559 not have a stationary and then shoot off into the distance. Now, they 565 00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:44,159 were all aware that this wasn't what they'd seen, but so they didn't question 566 00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:49,280 them. And he then tells them it's it's classified. He said, do 567 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,639 not tell even your families about this incident, and he hadn't. He never 568 00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:58,559 told anybody until he spoke with me a couple of years ago. As I 569 00:38:58,599 --> 00:39:01,079 say, it was very, very shifting back on record, I'll put it 570 00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:06,639 out there. No, I haven't had any negative repercussions from doing so. 571 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:12,320 It's I think it's the only case I've investigated over the years that's officially classified 572 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,440 to this day. All the other cases, even the other military ones, 573 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:20,760 have investigated and there's no classification on them, but this one's definitely classified. 574 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,679 Now, there is a slight oddity that happened with this case, which is 575 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:29,400 really weird, and I don't I try not to jump to conclusions with it. 576 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,920 It's interesting. So I store all the cases I've investigated over the last 577 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,159 fifteen years. I'm my home computer. Obviously, I've got backups and that 578 00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:38,800 sort of thing. He goes to the house far or whatever. Anyway, 579 00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:42,840 So I've got them all laid out, of course, and I've dealt with 580 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,920 so many cases over the years, I have to kind of be very organized 581 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,800 with it. Otherwise I just forget what was where. So I had to 582 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,199 folder with all the photographs, including including the ones who sent me of his 583 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:57,119 uniform and all that. And one day, it was a few months after 584 00:39:57,159 --> 00:40:00,760 I'd released the case reportment being a website, one of my friends were interested 585 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:06,239 in the case and wanted to wanted to see the photos from the from the 586 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:07,239 base and that sort of thing. Yea. So I was like, okay, 587 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,960 let me just get them up for you here. And I go to 588 00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:15,960 the folder and that particular folder is not their computer, just that one. 589 00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:22,159 So and I'm thinking, okay, could I drag that accidentally into another FOLDI 590 00:40:23,639 --> 00:40:27,800 I do search, It's not on the computer anywhere. Yeah, Now on 591 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,679 my machine, if I put something to the recycling it a bring of a 592 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,199 warning message. I don't recall ever getting a warning message. Now, if 593 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,440 I had gone to the BOOFAG website and that case had been gone off the 594 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,880 boofoag website as well, I would have been straight away. I would have 595 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,360 been a hundred percent I've been hacked and then remove the case on purpose. 596 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,559 It was still on the the report was still there, so I managed to 597 00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:51,679 extract the photographs and that sort of thing and getting back on the computer that 598 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,599 way. Not the uniform ones, I think they're pretty much gone forever, 599 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,800 but all the other ones that went out in the report. But yeah, 600 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,840 it was just it was interesting thing. Yeah, I'm not I'm not going 601 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,679 to jump to conclusions and say there was any kind of hacking involved, because 602 00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:08,800 it's very easy to get paranoled with this subject. And it still particular that 603 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:13,400 particular case. I was like, really, why is that folder gone? 604 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,199 And there it was. It's probably just go incidence. I'm just going to 605 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:21,119 put it down to that. Or they're still lurking around somewhere in a file. 606 00:41:21,159 --> 00:41:22,559 Some you have a come a crou I mean I knew the names of 607 00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:27,880 the file, so I was doing a search and I couldn't find them, 608 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:32,360 So that's a renamed I don't know. Scary though it must worry. I 609 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:37,639 mean, it's it's not outside the realms of questioning that my group and other 610 00:41:37,639 --> 00:41:44,719 groups around the country are being monitored and watched by select groups that it's known 611 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,800 for US as you know, some people have got actual evidence of that in 612 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,400 the past, that they've that they've been monitoring certain things. And I remember 613 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:57,360 seeing an official document many years back. This was it was a chat show 614 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,400 that was on in the UK and they managed to get the feedom information out 615 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:05,559 the transcript of it, and at the top of the transcript was a list 616 00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:09,400 of addresses where this transcript of this program had gone to, and it included 617 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:15,800 the White House, included the Ministry of Defense, it included lots of other 618 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:20,719 kind of very powerful companies, included the CIA, It included other companies that 619 00:42:21,199 --> 00:42:24,440 never heard of before, just unknown groups from individuals. Now, why on 620 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,639 earth would as far as it will throw them, Well, yeah, yeah, 621 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:34,199 But the fact that they'd requested they'd requested the transcript from this program in 622 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,039 the UK of all places, so it wasn't even like it was in the 623 00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:39,360 same country. So it shows there that behind the scenes, you know, 624 00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:45,000 evidence like that proves essentially that behind the scenes, there are people keeping tabs 625 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,079 on this subject and what and what goes. Oh yeah, but most of 626 00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:52,000 the time they don't really care. You know, the majority of cases, 627 00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:54,760 they don't care whether they go public or not. They're probably thinking that people 628 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,119 are going to either not believe it, or they're going to be kind of 629 00:42:58,119 --> 00:43:00,159 fence city about it, or they're going to believe it. It's it's it 630 00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:04,960 doesn't really. Most of the time they're only going to cover up ones involving 631 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,039 the military or or involving a kind of military exercise of some kind. Now, 632 00:43:09,039 --> 00:43:14,199 it was interesting that that folder vanished and this was a classified military in 633 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,639 case. So I don't but I'm not going to jump to conclusions to say 634 00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:21,800 it was anything. I I think it's safe to sell. I think we're 635 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,719 all all this somewhere. Well, yeah, if you're in this subject, 636 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,880 I think somewhere, and I don't. I don't mind that at all. 637 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,840 It doesn't, it doesn't really. I've never they've never kind of interacted me 638 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,599 in a negative way or told me not to not to do what I'm doing 639 00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:39,360 or anything like that. You know, it would take quite a bit to 640 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:44,039 kind of stop me from doing what I'm doing because I kind of feel like, 641 00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:46,119 in a way, it's my duty to do to do what I do. 642 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,800 Now, it's I've been doing this so long now, and I knew 643 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,639 right back from growing up, you know, through my teams, and that 644 00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:57,360 that it would be amazing to be on the front lines of this subject. 645 00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,760 Anybody. Anybody can do it. Anybody can do it, anybody an investigator. 646 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:06,320 It just requires time and effort and also just kind of knowledge that is 647 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,320 gained through speaking with people and about the different things that are seen and the 648 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:15,239 alternatives, the alternative explanations for certain Yeah. Yeah, well that's that's one 649 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,639 of my biggest regrets day. What I used to do when I was growing 650 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,199 up. I mean I was first came into the subjects, well, I 651 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,679 was probably about sixteen, that's probably most of us did. But all I 652 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:30,000 used to do was saved like newspaper cuttings and put me in scrapbooks. Through 653 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,800 that sort of stuff, I never really sort of got into the But I 654 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:37,960 wish now that I've got further into doing investigations and stuff right from back then, 655 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:42,960 you know. I mean, really I've fallen into this radio show that 656 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,679 by accident, as it happens, for the last few years. But I 657 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,719 really wish I've done a lot more research in my younger years. So what 658 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,719 I'm doing now, you know, I mean, I've, like most of 659 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:59,639 us, we've all just been sort of interested in the subjects and stuff like 660 00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:01,800 that. Fascinated. I mean, I've always been fascinated in other areas of 661 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,360 the paranormal as well, just the histories of the world, you know, 662 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,760 I've always I've always believed that there's a lot more than what mainstream science admits 663 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:15,199 is going on around them, and UFOs is just one aspect of that. 664 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:20,039 Now there's obviously it's like a big interlocking puzzle. There's all sorts of all 665 00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:22,960 sorts of cross between UFOs and other areas of the paranormal, especially when you 666 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:28,719 get into the contact phenomena, all sorts of paranormal elements to that, and 667 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,840 people experiencing things which you'd usually put down to kind of ghost type phenomena instead 668 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,960 of instead of UFOs, and you wouldn't even associate it with UFOs. It's 669 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,280 only the fact that they're having these experiences alongside. So there's the interesting Felger 670 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:46,519 ask you something, yet, do you see any connections between other paranormal events, 671 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,519 you know, look the sort of coincide with UFOs, because I mean, 672 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,480 you know what your your opinion is, But I've found a lot of 673 00:45:53,480 --> 00:46:00,000 connections now between UFO events and other paranormal the bits. Yeah, yeah, 674 00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:04,400 I couldn't see those connections years ago. But yeah, because because I've spoken 675 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,480 to lots of people like yourself and other people I'm Mead on the show, 676 00:46:08,199 --> 00:46:13,639 and I've also seen these these comparisons for self, you know, these these 677 00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:19,000 things that what's your opinion on that? Yeah, I mean, especially especially 678 00:46:19,039 --> 00:46:22,239 with contact. Yeah, so with UFAs sightings, Yeah, as in, 679 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,719 somebody see something in the distance and it's not interacting with them in any way. 680 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:30,440 Yeah, that seems almost more like accidental, you know, like that 681 00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:32,760 has happened to be the right place at the right time when you get contacts 682 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:38,000 involved. So people are experiencing visitations of abductions or whatever. Yeah, in 683 00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:42,679 over eighty five percent the last time I did account I did. I sometimes 684 00:46:42,679 --> 00:46:45,360 do counts of the cases to find out percentages of different things. Yeah, 685 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,960 and the last time I did account, over eighty five percent of the contact 686 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:57,119 cases I'd investigated were also experiencing paranormal type events around their home, so be 687 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:01,320 that kind of clon, small glowing walves of lights, electrical failures around their 688 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:07,920 house, moving objects, shadow beings, shadow beings very very common. Yeah, 689 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,599 that's right. Yeah, and then obviously with shadow beings they're kind of 690 00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:15,199 seeing a kind of humanoid type form, but just kind of like black mist. 691 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,760 Yeah. Now some people will see this like when they were asleep in 692 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,400 they wake up. Yeah. Now it's difficult because you do get elements of 693 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,360 sleep paralysis that can cause certain things like that. Yeah, so you can 694 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:31,280 have visual hallucinations with sleep paralysis. But there's also very very big differences between 695 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:37,559 contact experiences and sleep paralysis experiences. So with sleep paralysis, for example, 696 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:43,800 individuals never leave the environment that they're in. So if some of these undergoing 697 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,800 sleep prolysis, they may see weird kind of visions around the room, They 698 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:52,119 may hear strange sounds like buzzing and clicking noises, they may feel like their 699 00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:54,719 bodies being pulled in a particular direction. Yeah, but what they won't do 700 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,519 is they won't lift up off the bed, float through a wall or a 701 00:47:58,519 --> 00:48:01,239 window up into a waiting you. As soon as you're act, as soon 702 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:06,880 as you're going away to another environment. It's not sleep paralysis. Even though 703 00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:09,199 even though a lot of the time people are paralyzed. Now, I think 704 00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:15,159 that crossover is because of the paralysis thing, which which I believe is done 705 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:20,800 on purpose to prevent the person from sort of fighting back or hurting themselves. 706 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,920 Maybe now, But again there's there's all these kind of misconceptions of contact yet 707 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,800 because some people believe that with contact there's always sleep paralysis, you know, 708 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,280 there's a person's always paralyzed. That's not true at all. I've dealt with 709 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,960 lots of doctrinal experiences where people are not paralyzed at all, where they can 710 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,239 move freely, and a lot of the time you find that with those cases 711 00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:45,280 they are more accepting of their experiences. Yeah, it's almost like the beings 712 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,119 trust them more and trust that they're not going to attack them or run off 713 00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:52,880 around the ship or whatever, so they don't paralyze them. That's just a 714 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,320 theory I've god, it's not necessarily true. It's just it's just something I've 715 00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:00,519 noticed with the with the cases. So it might be that they do it 716 00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:05,119 to prevent if a person's panicking or everything, they'll they'll shut them down so 717 00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:07,480 they can't move and escape from the experience, which of course can be very 718 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:15,119 traumatic to the individual. The probably the most yeah, troubling and difficult part 719 00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:19,199 of what I do is with that is with speaking with people that have really 720 00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:25,920 been deeply affected by the subject it's it's far more serious than than put out. 721 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,000 It breaks relationships apart. I've I've delt case a lot of delt with 722 00:49:31,039 --> 00:49:36,880 cases where people have been have had ongoing depression from it and lasting phobias as 723 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:42,519 sometimes related to their experiences directly. And it's yeah, really it really does 724 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,320 mess with people. And because they can't even tell, because even their family 725 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:51,000 or friends can't really relate to what they're experiencing because they haven't had had experiences 726 00:49:51,039 --> 00:49:55,639 themselves. It's very very difficult for people, and they it's it's sometimes a 727 00:49:55,679 --> 00:49:59,800 lot of people when they speak with me, they just like the fact that 728 00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:01,559 don't take the mick out of them. I don't call him another or anything. 729 00:50:01,559 --> 00:50:06,559 And I taught with them in all seriousness about their experiences, you know, 730 00:50:06,599 --> 00:50:09,079 and again I won't I won't try to push them down any particular viewpoints 731 00:50:09,199 --> 00:50:14,360 or anything. I'll I'll just tell them how their experiences fit into the wider 732 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:19,440 contact phenomena and let them make their own minds up on whether they're experiencing alien 733 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,599 beings or whether it's something else entirely. Yeah, I know one of the 734 00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:27,000 cases you deal were funny enough. I did mention to this or f here. 735 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,800 I've just had a show with Dave, who was part of the Cosmosis 736 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,440 group. Yes, and you were involved in that, weren't you for a 737 00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:37,239 few years back. Yeah. It was a big case of really really His 738 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:42,400 report has about thirty or so experiences in it, which is quite a lot. 739 00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:47,039 It's the length of small booker scage reporters him and his friends. It 740 00:50:47,159 --> 00:50:50,719 was interesting because when I spoke with him, it kind of branched out to 741 00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:55,920 his local friends and then other acquaintances that had also been kind of other witnesses, 742 00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,559 and some of his experiences and some of the things that he experience were 743 00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:07,079 very impressive. Yeah, so so up close visitations by Nordics, humanoid beings, 744 00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:12,320 and also other bizarre incidents. I don't know, he probably went over 745 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:16,440 the landing incident with the with the line of humanoids field. Yes, now 746 00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:22,519 that's really fascinating. I mean, what was going on with that very interesting. 747 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,400 Well, a lot of people would say because of it was in a 748 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:29,639 rocket roll band sort of thing, the drugs involved through that sort of stuff. 749 00:51:29,639 --> 00:51:31,920 But yeah, yeah, I mean you can say that, but I 750 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:37,039 mean obviously somebody could kind of label that with David when in talking with him, 751 00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:40,400 about experiences. He definitely wasn't on drugs when he had these experiences, 752 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:45,719 and it was with other witnesses. Yeah, who the other the second witness 753 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,639 from that incident with the line of Humanoids. Yeah, I actually got to 754 00:51:47,679 --> 00:51:52,559 speak with him about five or six years later. I've just gone to visit 755 00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:55,440 it because it kept in touch. Yeah. So sometimes when these bigger cases, 756 00:51:55,559 --> 00:51:59,400 I've become friends with the individuals and I keep in touch with them over 757 00:51:59,559 --> 00:52:01,039 years. And I think I've gone there to see it, but maybe I've 758 00:52:01,079 --> 00:52:05,440 even gone to see Cosmosis play. It might have been a Cosmosis gig actually, 759 00:52:06,159 --> 00:52:08,599 and I've gone there to see them some other bands play, And the 760 00:52:08,639 --> 00:52:14,280 other witness from that incident happened to be there on that particular night I and 761 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:20,639 I interviewed him and added his testimonial evidence to the case report. Now there 762 00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,000 was there was no so without any warning. Again, it wasn't like he 763 00:52:23,079 --> 00:52:25,320 knew that I was going to ask him in a van so I must make 764 00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,039 sure the details match up with Dave's. No. No, I just I 765 00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:30,320 just got him across to the bar at one point in the night and just 766 00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,400 started talking about it and all the details. He came out with matched what 767 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,639 that told me years before. There's some really interesting elements to that. So, 768 00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:44,400 I mean what they're essentially they saw, you could put down to some 769 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,239 sort of radioactive clear up operation. Yeah. So you know, there might 770 00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,400 not necessarily have even been alien if you're just looking at it. How they 771 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,199 were at a distance, Yeah, because they were seeing a line of human 772 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:58,960 like people in what appeared to be has that type. But here's the thing. 773 00:52:59,039 --> 00:53:00,719 Yeah, I mean they've both got that they've got a psychic vision of 774 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:05,760 one of the beings faces up close, right next to their face. Yeah, 775 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,079 and a telepathic message in their minds. So straight away the aspect of 776 00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:13,119 it, I'll tell you that, you know it's not yea. And I've 777 00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:15,280 actually dealt with other cases that the exact same thing has been reported, So 778 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,360 you get these little details that come out from cases. Yeah, And it's 779 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,119 not the sort of stuff that they put on X files and things you get 780 00:53:22,159 --> 00:53:24,800 from watching TV and that. Yeah, it's more it's detailed elements and content 781 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,840 experiences that match up across cases. It's actually a case at the moment that 782 00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,719 I'm investigating. I can't tell you too much about it because it's literally ongoing 783 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:36,880 at the moment, but it's involving a lady from Finland who's got in touch 784 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,360 and she's had numerous experiences since childhood. But she's had a couple of experiences 785 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:45,519 which I believe are screen memories of visitations from probable grays. So a lot 786 00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:49,280 of the time with screen memories, it tends to be grays. So when 787 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,519 people essentially for any of your listeners that don't know, I mean, you 788 00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:57,440 probably taught about screen memories before, but it's essentially masking, so they'll appear 789 00:53:57,519 --> 00:54:00,800 in another form, and they might sometimes appear like an animal or something familiar 790 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:06,039 to the individual, like a friend of family member or a doctor. Doctors 791 00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:08,239 are quite common pilots that sort of thing, which might have links with the 792 00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,760 fact that they've come down in a craft of course. But yeah, it's 793 00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,679 a fascinating aspect of the contact phenomena. And I've actually given an entire talk 794 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:20,960 on screen memories in depth because it's a particular aspect I find really fascinating, 795 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,360 an interest in what's exactly is going on with it and why is it happening. 796 00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:28,599 But yeah, I mean, so with that animals thing, she'd had 797 00:54:28,599 --> 00:54:32,079 a couple of experiences where she saw three animals together, and it wasn't always 798 00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:34,960 the same animal. It's the first time, I think she said it was 799 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,679 wolves, and the second time it was three foxes. Yeah, And she 800 00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:42,119 said that when she saw them it was like times slowed down to a crawl, 801 00:54:42,159 --> 00:54:45,199 almost maybe stopped, yea. And they walked across the path in front 802 00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:47,440 of her, and she said, the central one it turned and looked at 803 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:52,440 her, and she got a psychic vision of its face right up in front 804 00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,440 of her face, exactly like Dave talked about him. So you do hear 805 00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,280 that quite a bit? Actually, yeah, yeah, you said, yeah, 806 00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:00,679 So it's kind of some sort of psychic projection. I think, you 807 00:55:00,679 --> 00:55:04,559 know, the animals weren't there next work, but for whatever reason she was 808 00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:07,880 seeing it, you know, maybe the direct interaction there. Now, it's 809 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:12,440 my belief that in both of those experiences it wasn't wolves and it wasn't foxes. 810 00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,400 It was still probable gray beings, and she they were just masking their 811 00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:20,119 appearance, maybe physically, so once she was there, she actually saw animals, 812 00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,519 or maybe it's just her recollection it's got the mask. Maybe she saw 813 00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:24,960 grays at the time, or when she thinks back to it, she sees 814 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,840 animals in their place. We don't really know. How do you quantify that? 815 00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,719 M there's probably people listening to this show now they're thinking, oh yeah, 816 00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,239 that this is happening to them. Um, you know, I mean, 817 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,840 obviously, if if anyone wants to get in touch with this show and 818 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:44,519 talk about anything like that, I can put you on in touch with Dave. 819 00:55:44,519 --> 00:55:46,039 Actually, like, yeah, I'm modern. Had been a big occasions 820 00:55:46,039 --> 00:55:51,000 from anywhere for whether historical or you you know, when they've happened or where 821 00:55:51,039 --> 00:55:54,599 they've happened is irrelevant to the to the reality of the subject. So child, 822 00:55:54,679 --> 00:55:59,159 we'll get your details at the end of the show. Of course gives 823 00:55:59,199 --> 00:56:02,320 it, but I'll tell you what they have you. Did you have any 824 00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:10,360 sort of experiences as a child? Not directly. My first unusual experiences was 825 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:15,760 one of my houses. I went to Plymouth University and while I was there, 826 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:20,280 one of my sharehouses, there was a number of ghost type incidents that 827 00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,320 happened, which I can go. I know we're branching away from UFOs and 828 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,800 aliens a minute, but I can know it's fun anything paranormal. Sure, 829 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:30,559 yeah, no problem. Yeah, So I just moved into a new house 830 00:56:30,639 --> 00:56:34,280 halfway through the to make a kind of house change halfway through, and um, 831 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,639 and there was there was three other three other boys then and one girl. 832 00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:42,960 So quite a busy, quite a busy sharehouse. And when I these 833 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,920 incidents all happened in the initial weeks. But I there's probably people listening now 834 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:52,119 and thinking I was a practical joke. They're just but I don't think it 835 00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,599 was that with these. So the first instid happen, it wasn't even that 836 00:56:54,639 --> 00:56:57,800 impressive. It was just that we had a we had a lounge with a 837 00:56:58,119 --> 00:57:00,800 joining kitchen on the side of just a doorway straight through between the two year 838 00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:04,800 and I've just been in the kitchen just kind of doing the washing up, 839 00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,000 and we had a shelf above the sink with a line of beer glasses on 840 00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:09,679 or whatever, and I just put a glass back up on there and everything 841 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,920 went back through to the lounge and I heard this thud on the floor. 842 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,639 So I go back into the kitchen and this one of the pine glasses is 843 00:57:17,679 --> 00:57:22,239 in the middle of the kitchen floor here and haven't broken, but it was 844 00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,039 just down the floor. I was like, I get there and I was 845 00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:27,880 thinking, you know, if let's say there were soap SuDS on the bottom 846 00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,599 and it was slid or whatever. It would have dropped off and fallen into 847 00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:34,440 the sink here, it wouldn't have gone and probably smashed. Oh yeah, 848 00:57:34,599 --> 00:57:36,599 so it was kind of like it had leapt off the shelf. But I 849 00:57:36,639 --> 00:57:38,079 didn't see it happened yet, So I was like, okay, whatever, 850 00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,719 you don't really you know, you're just just missing, don't you just put 851 00:57:40,719 --> 00:57:45,159 it back in the lounge, carry on. So I think it was within 852 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,800 one or two weeks and most of this three of them had gone out for 853 00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:52,239 the night. Yeah, and there was meat and another chap called Steve was 854 00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:57,280 sitting in the lounge just watching Telly. Definitely nobody else in the house, 855 00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,280 right, it's quite big. It was quite a big house. All of 856 00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:04,440 a sudden fud thud. Yeah, it was the sound of running footsteps. 857 00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,880 Talking about it makes my hair stand up. And it was like it was 858 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,400 so clear, it was so full on. Yeah, it was like it 859 00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:14,639 was it was a sound somebody running along the landing year straight away. What 860 00:58:14,719 --> 00:58:16,159 do you think you think there's a burger or something inside the house. Yeah, 861 00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:20,599 we just stopped dead. It's silent. I just put the volume off 862 00:58:20,599 --> 00:58:22,840 on the TV and I'm just listening and there's nothing yet. It's just silence, 863 00:58:23,159 --> 00:58:25,639 and Stevie's just he won't even move out the chair. He was like, 864 00:58:25,679 --> 00:58:29,039 I'm not going up there here. So I'm peeping around the door and 865 00:58:29,039 --> 00:58:32,480 it's just completely quiet. They go up there, there's nothing there. There 866 00:58:32,519 --> 00:58:37,719 was no window open, there was no sign that anybody had ever been there. 867 00:58:37,079 --> 00:58:40,880 But it was definitely not creaks in an old house or anything like that. 868 00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:44,280 It was thud, thud, thud. You can you can pretty much 869 00:58:44,679 --> 00:58:46,159 hit you know, feel it vibrating the ceiling. It was that. It 870 00:58:46,239 --> 00:58:51,639 was that full on. So that happened, and I was pretty convinced that 871 00:58:51,639 --> 00:58:54,119 I was something unusual. So all the time I stayed in the property, 872 00:58:54,159 --> 00:58:57,679 I didn't hear it again. So I don't think it was like an echo 873 00:58:57,719 --> 00:59:00,679 for next door or something that, because you could hear it again logically. 874 00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:08,519 And then yeah, so yeah. So again another week or so goes by 875 00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:14,719 most and another incident happens, and this again in the lounge. Again three 876 00:59:14,719 --> 00:59:15,840 of them had gone out for the night, but this time there was me 877 00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:20,840 and another another housemate, also called Dave. It's quite a few people called 878 00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:27,000 Dave. They were taken over So anyway, we're in the lands watching TV 879 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,440 and we go through to the kitchen about so no longer than ten seconds when 880 00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:34,039 we come back. So on top of our Telly in the lands, we 881 00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:36,880 had a it was a vase. Yeah, it was a plastic vase of 882 00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:42,119 fake flowers in because I don't trust students to water plants, right, so 883 00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:46,719 I don't trust So we've gone through, we're watching Telly as the TV was 884 00:59:46,719 --> 00:59:50,239 on. We got through the kitchen from no more than ten seconds, we'll 885 00:59:50,239 --> 00:59:53,239 come back in the land. Yeah, and the fars is in front of 886 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:58,039 the television screen as in it's jumped down from on top of the TV to 887 00:59:58,199 --> 01:00:01,599 sitting in front of the screen, which is Yeah. I was just like, 888 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,599 so i'd say the day, I'll let you do that. I know 889 01:00:05,679 --> 01:00:07,840 he hadn't because I knew he'd been in the kitchen with me. Yeah, 890 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,280 but you're trying to kind of rationalize it, you know, and it's just 891 01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,880 like no. And I was like, I don't you think it's impressive? 892 01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,360 And he wasn't even that bothered. Yeah, it was like it he was 893 01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,719 like whatever, you know. I was like, okay, so I just 894 01:00:19,719 --> 01:00:22,480 go up there and put it back on the telling you. And it definitely 895 01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:24,960 wasn't like Patrick or one of the others hiding in their own room and let's 896 01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,920 trick daver and they liked, they've gone out. They were definitely not there. 897 01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,639 Now that was it. Yeah, I was almost expecting more stuff to 898 01:00:32,679 --> 01:00:37,000 continue to happen because I was like, something really going on here. It's 899 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,480 like this steviest thing, like politicust type of stuff going on. And I 900 01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:42,840 was like, are we're going to get anything else happening after that? It's 901 01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,840 nothing, It just can't write down yet. But whatever it was, that 902 01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:49,199 for the instance, all happened in kind of quick succession, whether it was 903 01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,239 me entering the house, so that I mean, that was the difference. 904 01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,639 That was the upheaval. So people often say that polic guys type of stuff 905 01:00:54,639 --> 01:00:59,000 happens with a change in the environment, with a change was me joining the 906 01:00:59,039 --> 01:01:01,599 house yet? But yeah, but I'm pretty certain that it wasn't a practical 907 01:01:01,679 --> 01:01:07,599 joke orchestrated by the other house. So that was my ghost experiences. You 908 01:01:07,639 --> 01:01:14,320 could say they were doing not amazingly impressive, but still unexplainable really, And 909 01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,159 I moved forward to two thousand and nine, which was coincidentally the same year 910 01:01:16,239 --> 01:01:21,199 that I became chairman for BAFOGRA, so i've until that, but I hadn't 911 01:01:21,199 --> 01:01:23,599 I've never seen anything I could say was a UFO at all. Yeah, 912 01:01:23,639 --> 01:01:27,760 you can occasionally see like lights and a distance and that's something. But obviously 913 01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,000 if you're seeing a light in the distance, it could be editing technically unidentified, 914 01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:32,960 isn't it. So it is a UFO. But I've never seen anything 915 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:38,079 that I could genuinely say was something unexplained on this In the summer two thousand 916 01:01:38,119 --> 01:01:40,400 and nine it was I've been chairman of the group for about a couple of 917 01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:45,079 months, right I went to I went down to Warminster in Wiltshire for a 918 01:01:45,719 --> 01:01:49,119 for a conference. It was a paranormal conference called Weird, so it was 919 01:01:49,159 --> 01:01:52,320 the Weird two thousand and nine paranormal conference. So they had some speakers were 920 01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:57,320 on UFOs and other ones wore ghosts and I might have even been the Yeah, 921 01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,320 it's got a good yeah run for a number of years. And of 922 01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:06,400 course Welch is famous for cropformations obviously as well, and it's also famous for 923 01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,239 many sightings, especially around Warman stuff. Of course we had the warments to 924 01:02:09,239 --> 01:02:14,519 flap in the late seventies to mid eighties where loads of people reported activity and 925 01:02:14,599 --> 01:02:17,039 since then the area has still been a hotbed for you of for activity. 926 01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:21,519 So I've spoken with numerous people over the years. We've had some very impressive 927 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:25,039 sightings down there in that neck of the woods. So this is a two 928 01:02:25,079 --> 01:02:28,719 day conference and just split up the two days, they decided to do a 929 01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,679 SkyWatch on the Saturday night. Yeah, and whether it's decided to do it 930 01:02:30,719 --> 01:02:35,480 was up on Crade or Hell, which is a famous for skywatching. It's 931 01:02:35,519 --> 01:02:37,920 really known place. Lots of people often go up there for sky watching because 932 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:42,000 it's got a really nice clear view of the surrounding area and it's just north 933 01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,760 of Warming, Satannia. So we've gone up there and because it was publicized 934 01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,840 for the conference. Yeah, there was a load of people up There was 935 01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:52,320 about fifty people. There were some TV crap cameras and all sorts of Right 936 01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:55,719 now, it's right next to mdown Land, so you've got a clear view 937 01:02:55,719 --> 01:03:00,239 in all directions and just after the just to the north there's you just reach 938 01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:04,320 a borderline where you're not allowed to walk any closer because it's military owned. 939 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,280 Yeah, So because you're kind of expecting to see military aircraft and that sort 940 01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,000 of thing from time to time in the sky, but there really wasn't that 941 01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:14,280 much aircraft at all in the sky, civilian or military. Really. It 942 01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,679 gots about eleven o'clock and night most people have gone home by this point I 943 01:03:16,719 --> 01:03:22,360 saw there was about twenty people left, which included M. Malcolm Robinson from 944 01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:27,559 from Scotland, the Scottish researcher see four. I don't know if you know 945 01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:37,679 seefore Yeah Broyan he died recently, Oh dearly? Are sorry here? Um? 946 01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,519 So yeah, So they were up there, and you know, there's 947 01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:45,199 a bunch of other people left up there for who'd been attending the conference. 948 01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:46,760 It was a really nice clear nights. The stars were out and you could 949 01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,840 see really well in all directions of hardly any clouds at all, really lovely, 950 01:03:51,559 --> 01:03:55,119 and it got about i'd say about half eleven, and somebody said there's 951 01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:59,280 a jet coming in. So we looked to thee, look to the south, 952 01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:01,920 and sure enough there's a white light in the distance moving our direction. 953 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,159 It looks about the size of a kind of light aircraft and it's got a 954 01:04:05,159 --> 01:04:09,079 white light on it. Comes see any other navigation lights, I'm thinking, 955 01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:14,119 okay, it's probably just the angle I'm viewing it out. Yeah, it's 956 01:04:14,159 --> 01:04:16,360 coming towards us, and all of a sudden, this white light flares up 957 01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,079 really bright. It bottom it's something like this, and it doesn't go on 958 01:04:20,199 --> 01:04:25,119 off like a stroke. It just stays really really bright. Yeah, everybody's 959 01:04:25,159 --> 01:04:27,639 like, whoa, what's going on here? A couple of seconds later, 960 01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,159 this white light dies about down again, and then I can see like this 961 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:34,079 dark turquoise colored lights are really weird, you know, like you get lime 962 01:04:34,159 --> 01:04:36,360 green lights on a plane. Yeah, like bright green. Yea, it 963 01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:40,079 wasn't like that at all. It's like somewhere between blue and green and kind 964 01:04:40,119 --> 01:04:43,719 of darker, like a dark turquoise color. Yeah, And it's still coming 965 01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,159 nearer, and all of a sudden it's white lights coming up again like this. 966 01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,920 It's just kind of going on staining lit off. As it gets nearer, 967 01:04:49,079 --> 01:04:53,159 we'll realize there's no sound comes from the thing at all. Right now, 968 01:04:53,199 --> 01:04:55,320 we could hear planes on the horizon, and you don't have to. 969 01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,559 Sound travels really well after darksn't it. And we can hear kind of civilian 970 01:04:58,599 --> 01:05:01,960 aircraft on the distance on the horizon earlier on. But this thing, whatever 971 01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:06,039 it was was making no sound whatsoever, and it was only about three hundred 972 01:05:06,039 --> 01:05:09,880 foot up. I'd say it wasn't It wasn't really really art. I was 973 01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,840 trying to get in as much information as I could now. Unfortunately I didn't 974 01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,920 have a decent night vision scope on me, and nobody else left that there 975 01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,559 had a decent night vision equipment either, so we couldn't get a look at 976 01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:23,000 exactly the shape of this thing. We could. I could just see this 977 01:05:23,079 --> 01:05:26,440 dark thing that was kind of blocking out the stars. It seemed about the 978 01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,400 size of a light aircraft here, but it was. But there was no 979 01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,119 sound coming from it. And it came in it had these had no other 980 01:05:31,199 --> 01:05:34,159 navigation lights on it. Yeah, and it comes in slowly kind of over 981 01:05:34,159 --> 01:05:36,679 there, and we're all watching it, and it arts away and then goes 982 01:05:36,719 --> 01:05:41,440 off into the distance, And even minutes later, when it was at horizon, 983 01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:45,119 you could still see this white light coming up light and then vanishing again. 984 01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:48,320 Now I interviewed numerous people who've been up there and seen that, Yeah, 985 01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:53,079 and not one person could identify it. I've got a friend who served 986 01:05:53,119 --> 01:05:58,000 in Iraqia certain the military said it doesn't match with any known military drone or 987 01:05:58,039 --> 01:06:01,960 military aircraft at all, and obviously most military aircraft have the same kind of 988 01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:06,760 red, green and white normal navigation type lights on, and it's unexplained to 989 01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:11,199 this day. It's technically your folk. It wasn't. It wasn't an amazing 990 01:06:11,239 --> 01:06:15,280 sight thing. It wasn't like a domed disc or did landless sea beans or 991 01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,159 anything like that. But it was an unidentified flying objects. So yeah, 992 01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:21,159 I wanted to give you the show because you're all there to see something. 993 01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:25,000 Well, yeah, well that's what I was thinking. I was thinking there's 994 01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,079 some sort of clever orchestrated hopes because they know the scar Watch is going on. 995 01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:30,360 Yeah, you know, like somebody's found out about it and they're doing 996 01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,840 it. Yeah. But whatever this thing was, it was quite sizable, 997 01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,400 and it was flying fast. It wasn't guiding along slowly like a balloon. 998 01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:41,079 It was going to speedy and it was and it was. Yeah, it 999 01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:45,440 was big and silent sprange with lights on. They didn't match any known aircraft. 1000 01:06:45,519 --> 01:06:47,760 So yeah, that's that's the thing with drones. Now. You you 1001 01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:53,800 love where to get jokes like that going, Yeah, yeah exactly, And 1002 01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,599 I'm sure that there are people who are We've We've done numerous skywatchers over the 1003 01:06:57,679 --> 01:07:00,320 years. Actually our leads are nicely to the other sighting, which is one 1004 01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:04,840 I didn't see myself, but it's one I could have seen. We actually 1005 01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:10,719 had some sightings that took place on our latest SkyWatch, which was last year. 1006 01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,159 I organized the SkyWatch Achanic Chase with a with another paranormal group called Uprising. 1007 01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:21,719 We've got a Facebook group and the owners of Uprising they come down regularly 1008 01:07:21,719 --> 01:07:26,440 to boot Folk to our meetings. So we decided we'd do this Grier joint 1009 01:07:26,519 --> 01:07:30,440 SkyWatch and both groups were kind of combined forces and got to the location. 1010 01:07:30,639 --> 01:07:32,599 And the location we chose was an air of Panic Chase. It is quite 1011 01:07:32,599 --> 01:07:40,239 near to the two military graveyards, and he said it was just nice open 1012 01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:44,400 flat fields. There wasn't particularly elevated. I've been kind of chase numerous times 1013 01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,599 before and we've chosen kind of higher altitude, but it was nice and open. 1014 01:07:47,079 --> 01:07:49,320 So a load of us turned up for that and it was a very 1015 01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,960 very fun evening. We were worried it was going to chuck it down, 1016 01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,880 but it actually sort of behaved itself. Sort of. It was a bit 1017 01:07:55,880 --> 01:08:00,320 cloudy, so about half ten a bunch of us with the d sided. 1018 01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,199 We wanted to go and check out one of these military graveyards after dark, 1019 01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,440 yea, so we all and armed guy go with him. Yeah, And 1020 01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:06,639 so we go off wondering with our tortures. Yeah, just to check it 1021 01:08:06,679 --> 01:08:09,760 out, because you want to see what it looks like after dark. And 1022 01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,480 obviously there's a kind of spooky elements, you know, and that sort of 1023 01:08:12,519 --> 01:08:15,199 thing on the scarlet. So we left about you know, fifteen or so 1024 01:08:15,559 --> 01:08:19,000 people back at the field. Yeah, and low behold, that's when the 1025 01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:23,760 sightings occurred, when when half of us weren't there. Great, So I 1026 01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:28,239 didn't actually find out about the sightings until the following the day because one of 1027 01:08:28,279 --> 01:08:32,039 the witnesses who'd seen the first thing, she'd left by the time we got 1028 01:08:32,039 --> 01:08:35,880 back and they actually gone home and the other and then she told me about 1029 01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:40,199 it on email afterwards. Yeah. The other witnesses worse still there, but 1030 01:08:40,279 --> 01:08:43,000 they didn't mention it at the time because it was just kind of quite a 1031 01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:46,479 brief sighting and conversation just when our elsewhere. Yeah, essentially what was seen 1032 01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:50,279 was orange jobs. Yeah, but first of all, there were two of 1033 01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:56,239 them in quick succession at two completely different directions in the sky. So the 1034 01:08:56,279 --> 01:09:00,800 first sighting was by the lady who was incidentally she had contact experiences, a 1035 01:09:01,079 --> 01:09:04,840 very fascinating case, and her and her husband had come down for the for 1036 01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:10,760 the SkyWatch, and she saw this orange or appear the sky and then through 1037 01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:15,119 the sharp arc downwards bottom goes down like that and a sharp sharp arc to 1038 01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:19,600 angle down into the trees here, so very fast and not really how a 1039 01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:24,039 Chinese lantern would behave or a flare, so I've seen, I've seen flair's 1040 01:09:24,079 --> 01:09:26,600 before. We actually had somebody set one off on one of my previous sky 1041 01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,560 watchers and then trying to convince me that it wasn't a flare. I was 1042 01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,399 like, come on, he's bought the flare along. Yes, so obviously 1043 01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:36,000 they climbed slowly, they drift across. Yeah, and if a Chinese lantern 1044 01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:40,680 when it drops, it's going out. Yes, always gone out. So 1045 01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:44,760 there's no glowing orange light anymore. It's just a blunt shape that usually comes 1046 01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:46,319 to see after dark. Yeah, this thing, whenever it was glowing bright 1047 01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:49,520 orange, comes down at a sharp arc. Seems too sharp to be met 1048 01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:54,600 riz here, and it really wasn't. There wasn't enough kind of visibility for 1049 01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,079 it to be a metrite unless it happened to be one that was very up 1050 01:09:57,079 --> 01:09:59,840 close and happened to land in the trees right there where the SkyWatch is going 1051 01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,439 on. Yeah, within a minute of that, there's another sighting, but 1052 01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:05,800 it's a completely different direction. I didn't realize there were different directions until I 1053 01:10:06,079 --> 01:10:10,760 until analyzed it on a map and realized I was completely facing completely different directions. 1054 01:10:11,119 --> 01:10:15,000 And this one was seen by several people, including James, who's one 1055 01:10:15,039 --> 01:10:18,760 of our other investigators for the group. Happened to one of the other witnesses 1056 01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,760 of it and he said it was moving around radically. Again, it only 1057 01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:25,319 appeared for a couple of seconds. It was as a bright orange light that 1058 01:10:25,399 --> 01:10:28,640 moved around like this back and the forwards erratically and then vanished again. So 1059 01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:33,319 minor, massively mining and nothing spectacular in any way, shape or form, 1060 01:10:33,359 --> 01:10:39,079 but again not really acting how a Chinese lantern or a flare would act, 1061 01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:43,279 and the wrong color for anything else. And unless it was a drone and 1062 01:10:43,279 --> 01:10:45,840 where you'd had to fly the drone off. Let's say there was somebody trying 1063 01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,640 to trick us by hiding in the woods and launching something you'd had to fly 1064 01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:53,439 out of there. Wouldn't just kind of do that and then vanish. So 1065 01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,600 it was weird, Yeah, it was. It was UFO sightings seen our 1066 01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:00,800 last car watch brilliant. Yeah, I wasn't there to seeing for left you 1067 01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:05,279 with the puzzle to what was it? Well, exactly, it was unidentified 1068 01:11:05,319 --> 01:11:10,399 and they were flying on our objects. I mean, I mean they didn't 1069 01:11:10,399 --> 01:11:13,960 seem particularly big, so I don't think even even if there were something anomalous, 1070 01:11:14,039 --> 01:11:16,640 I don't think that they would would have been manned. A lot of 1071 01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:20,000 these objects that are seen a smaller objects obviously a lot of the ones that 1072 01:11:20,039 --> 01:11:24,560 are reported by the by the American military at the man by the US Navy 1073 01:11:25,359 --> 01:11:30,439 with the with the Pentagon emissions share seemed to be smaller drone like objects. 1074 01:11:30,239 --> 01:11:34,600 But there seemed to be kind of monitoring their ships and intercepting them in locations 1075 01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:39,439 where they just really shouldn't be able to like miles miles and miles out to 1076 01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:43,520 see, you know. And and apparently the objects hang around for like hours 1077 01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,560 on end and that sort of thing on radar. And obviously a drone only 1078 01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,880 has so much flight in it if I had to land. So I was 1079 01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:55,000 gonna say so about emission about the government everything. Do you think they're actually 1080 01:11:55,039 --> 01:12:00,399 drip feeding us to disclosure? Basically, I don't think full this closure with 1081 01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,399 the subject is going to happen. I think the only way full disclosure with 1082 01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:06,119 the subject will happen is if the beings themselves decide that they want it, 1083 01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:10,399 yeah, and do something big. There. Do seem to be drip feeding 1084 01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:13,760 things out now? And again, don't they what they're doing? I think 1085 01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,840 they're they're keeping the American public happy. I genuinely think that's what it's for. 1086 01:12:17,079 --> 01:12:19,800 I think it's I think it's for. Are you told us that we 1087 01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:23,279 weren't doing anything? You told us we were denying? It's all here go, 1088 01:12:23,359 --> 01:12:26,520 We've given you some stuff. They're they're giving you like a small part 1089 01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:30,479 of the picture. But the trouble is that they genuinely don't know yet because 1090 01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:35,239 the American military is so compartmentalized as our owners. Yeah, so they probably 1091 01:12:35,279 --> 01:12:40,039 genuinely don't know, even even at the head of the Defense. Even Chris 1092 01:12:40,039 --> 01:12:43,920 Mellan, et cetera. And he's actually said those very that very thing on 1093 01:12:44,279 --> 01:12:47,239 interviews. He said that there could well be other areas within the Pentagon. 1094 01:12:47,279 --> 01:12:51,720 They know a lot more about this than even he's not privy too. Black 1095 01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:55,760 ops areas Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah, because it's so split 1096 01:12:55,880 --> 01:13:00,880 up. So but I believe that there is destein groups from individual column, 1097 01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,640 majestic, twelve column, and men in black column, whatever you like. 1098 01:13:04,319 --> 01:13:09,279 There are big cases on record that have happened, like the vagina incidents in 1099 01:13:09,319 --> 01:13:15,560 Brazil, where there are unknown figures seeming the human people turning up in black 1100 01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:21,279 suits, almost almost black suits. They bribe witnesses money to either shut up 1101 01:13:21,319 --> 01:13:26,520 about it or even light about what they've seen. Now, again, these 1102 01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:30,359 are specific incidents. They don't often happen. There's less than ten percent of 1103 01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:34,520 the contact cases I've investigated have had many black experiences in them. But there 1104 01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:38,960 are some of the at least twenty cases I can think of over the years, 1105 01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:43,640 which have had many black type experiences, some of them really really interesting 1106 01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,239 and compelling. So I think that there's something going on with them. A 1107 01:13:46,239 --> 01:13:49,000 lot of the time, it's not the you must not tell people about this, 1108 01:13:49,159 --> 01:13:51,439 you thought of the light of venus. It's not like that at all. 1109 01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:56,000 It's more like they asking questions about their experiences. It's almost like they're 1110 01:13:56,039 --> 01:14:00,520 trying to find out more about the beings by speaking with people who they know 1111 01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:04,560 have had contact. Yeah, so less the kind of sometimes there's a bit 1112 01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:10,039 of reverse psychology in there so to kind of keep quiet, but they don't 1113 01:14:10,079 --> 01:14:12,960 often kind of just say the good old classic you're not allowed to talk about 1114 01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,600 this. If you do, we'll shoot you. I mean, there's some 1115 01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:17,319 military cases where they seem to have done that with the witnesses, you know, 1116 01:14:17,359 --> 01:14:21,640 as I think the Roswell things and all that things have happened, didn't 1117 01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:24,600 it. Yeah, I mean that was a real big one. I mean 1118 01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:29,920 Roswell, I've got I'm absolutely convinced that Roswell as they crashed, as a 1119 01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,359 lot of people are in the UF community, there are over three hundred witnesses 1120 01:14:32,359 --> 01:14:35,960 have gone on the record. Yeah, three hundred witnesses that have all said 1121 01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:40,479 that it wasn't Project Blooming Mogul, or it wasn't a weather blown or it 1122 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:44,920 wasn't anything human. It was a it was a crashed object with bits that 1123 01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:46,279 fell off over the ranch, you know, all over the blooming place, 1124 01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:50,439 and and then beings and I mean even some of the even some of the 1125 01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:55,760 top commanders from the military basis of you know, on the deathbed confessionals now 1126 01:14:55,760 --> 01:15:00,840 Why on earth would you sully your family's name by making up nons and about 1127 01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:04,439 it being aliens if it's not absolutely The simple thing to me that says that 1128 01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:09,479 there's something very wrong in what they say is they've changed their mind less to 1129 01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:13,119 what it was over the years so many times. Yeah, if it was 1130 01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:15,720 something that it would be that, you know, just a full stop and 1131 01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:17,239 that was it exactly, you know, but they've tried to cover it up 1132 01:15:17,279 --> 01:15:19,760 several times. When someone comes up with something, they say, oh, 1133 01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:26,399 no, it was it. No, they started to this project module they 1134 01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,239 wasn't it ten years later, wasn't anyway? Yeah, I mean yeah, 1135 01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,600 they were saying that the bodies that people had seen were these crash test dumbag 1136 01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:36,880 yeah, which apparently they there's no fish or records from being launched until sort 1137 01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:40,479 of mid fifties. But that's not to say that they couldn't have. Yeah, 1138 01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:43,760 right, that's written. That's proof. But what I will say is 1139 01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:47,279 proof is the character's witnesses saying, no, we saw things that were being 1140 01:15:47,319 --> 01:15:51,319 autopsied by doctors and one of them were still alive, and they were showing 1141 01:15:51,319 --> 01:15:55,800 it to soldiers, and those soldiers were deeply spooped out, you know, 1142 01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:59,439 forever after about what they Yeah, I mean some of those witnesses talked about 1143 01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:03,359 the bodies and the autopsies. Obviously they had accidents, didn't they, you 1144 01:16:03,399 --> 01:16:10,239 know, in very mysterious circumstances, very convenient. Yeah, and also point 1145 01:16:10,319 --> 01:16:14,760 out it's not that film that came out in the mid eighties, the autopsy. 1146 01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:19,319 I think we know now that, but unfortunately it is some people out 1147 01:16:19,319 --> 01:16:23,399 there still think it's real. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I've seen 1148 01:16:23,399 --> 01:16:27,239 the evidence for it being a constructed thing, and I've spoken with Spirous milias 1149 01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,399 the guy he'd yeah, yeah, I love your chaff, and yeah, 1150 01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:34,159 I'd say the evidence ways very much in favor of it being a set of 1151 01:16:34,199 --> 01:16:39,640 thing. Now. Obviously, what confused some people was the odd the odd 1152 01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:43,159 design for the being itself in that and I remember seeing it because it was 1153 01:16:43,159 --> 01:16:45,520 one of the first people in the UK to actually see it. I've got 1154 01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:47,079 to one of the Foam magazine conferences. You may have been there too, 1155 01:16:47,079 --> 01:16:50,920 it leads, and they were showing it for the first time. It was 1156 01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:55,720 it was Santa or some of the Unsundeil's behalf and they showed it at the 1157 01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:59,159 conference and we were the first people to see it in the UK before they've 1158 01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:02,800 released, before Spirits even knew about it. Yeah, probably, Yeah, 1159 01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:08,000 I think it was. And then essentially the first time I saw it, 1160 01:17:08,039 --> 01:17:12,000 I didn't think it was very but I did think that I could have it 1161 01:17:12,079 --> 01:17:15,319 could have been like a snuff video. I really genuinely thought that maybe what 1162 01:17:15,399 --> 01:17:18,159 we were looking at was a dead girl that they'd modified to look like an 1163 01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:21,720 alien, and it was just very creepy footage. You know. It's I 1164 01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:26,920 can understand why some people were, you know, thought it was compelling when 1165 01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:30,800 they saw it. But since then, obviously we've got the actual photographs of 1166 01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:35,279 the actual model casts and things, and yeah, it's it's yeah, so 1167 01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:39,960 it's so obvious. Yeah, because I mean my Spirits told me. You 1168 01:17:40,039 --> 01:17:43,359 probably hear the same story as well. He was in Japan actually when all 1169 01:17:43,359 --> 01:17:45,399 of a sudden it came on the television and he was shooting a cup of 1170 01:17:45,399 --> 01:17:49,079 coffee. He edially spat his coffee out because when his film came out, 1171 01:17:49,119 --> 01:17:54,159 he knew nothing about it. Basically, he'd done this thing that he was 1172 01:17:54,159 --> 01:17:59,039 done as a joke. Actually apparently originally it kind of forgot about it and 1173 01:17:59,079 --> 01:18:01,000 all of a sudden he started period of the TV and saying till you've been 1174 01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,439 putting you out as a as the real thing, saying it was a real 1175 01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:09,840 military money offer too. Probably, Yeah, that's right. Spirit. I 1176 01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,359 mean, I think he did a lot of that is his own expense. 1177 01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:16,159 Yes, And of course there's still people that they still say it's the real 1178 01:18:16,199 --> 01:18:19,520 thing, but so yeah, I mean I think definitely isn't with most the 1179 01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:23,319 video you've got that you know, you've got that kind of element, you 1180 01:18:23,319 --> 01:18:25,359 know, are we being duped? You know? Is it? Is it 1181 01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:27,840 kind of a double duping? You know? Is it it's you know, 1182 01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,600 are they all the key witnesses involved, Are they all working for the same 1183 01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:33,720 I mean, it's it's like Spirits says, So he says, they could 1184 01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,439 well have been a real, genuine film. Yeah, but this but the 1185 01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:41,600 one that he made is not it? Yes, you know, exactly filmed 1186 01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,119 at the time, and they would have filmed, but then there would have 1187 01:18:44,119 --> 01:18:48,439 had cameras on those on those bodies obviously, But so somewhere in the depths 1188 01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:51,680 of the pent again is that footage, but also so is the bodies themselves. 1189 01:18:53,039 --> 01:18:55,960 Yeah, never mind the footage they've got, the actual thing is absolutely 1190 01:18:56,039 --> 01:18:59,000 Yeah, I've got to admit when I first saw it back in the was 1191 01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:02,239 about you two feel whatever it was. Well, I was kind of saken 1192 01:19:02,279 --> 01:19:05,680 it after wor this looks real, you know, definitely genuine and all that. 1193 01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:09,199 Yes, and then you get to a point of thing arm sitting on 1194 01:19:09,199 --> 01:19:10,960 the fence, and then I look quite sure if it's really or not. 1195 01:19:11,279 --> 01:19:15,119 Yeah, I found some of the I found some of the hands. Thing. 1196 01:19:15,239 --> 01:19:16,640 I mean, the thing is, I've spoken with so many contacts o 1197 01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:20,000 the years. I've investigated literally hundreds of contact cases around the world now, 1198 01:19:20,279 --> 01:19:25,039 and almost always the beings have got four fingers, not six. I'm not 1199 01:19:25,079 --> 01:19:27,840 saying there's not some cases on record where they've got six fingers. He did 1200 01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:31,800 it on purpose, so didn't he wanted to make it so because there were 1201 01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:34,520 different to the reports, That's it. I think by doing that, I 1202 01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:38,359 yet to just kind of get people talking, you know, is it real, 1203 01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:40,479 isn't it? You know, the sort of yeah, yeah, there 1204 01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:44,159 was some interesting design decisions, shall we say, with the footage, but 1205 01:19:44,239 --> 01:19:49,439 it was certainly creepy and and and definitely number of I mean, we've got 1206 01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:53,119 the alien interview video as well. I remember that from the past as well. 1207 01:19:53,159 --> 01:19:57,239 The one with it in the darkened room, which I would still say 1208 01:19:57,239 --> 01:20:00,520 it is one of the most compelling. It's of video that I've seen portedly 1209 01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:05,199 showing a live et. It's never it's never categorically been disproven. It hasn't 1210 01:20:05,239 --> 01:20:10,079 been proven, Yeah, but it hasn't been disproven either, and a lot 1211 01:20:10,079 --> 01:20:12,680 of people are a lot of people are suspicious about the fact that's in the 1212 01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,279 darkened room because they're like, that's a lot easier for puppeteers. But obviously 1213 01:20:15,319 --> 01:20:19,159 they've shown it to They've showed it to certain countait teas, including Whitney Striver, 1214 01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:24,439 who I certainly believe is the genuine contact team and he believes it's real 1215 01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:26,640 and he's seen him with his own eyes. He's seen the graves with his 1216 01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:30,520 own eyes numerous times, and he believes that on that video is an actual 1217 01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:34,520 living Great there's other countanties as well who saw it who again back it up 1218 01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:38,880 and believe it's real, and they showed it the special effects artists as well. 1219 01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:42,359 In the special effects artists, you could see from their reactions on that 1220 01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:45,399 footage, you know, they they were they were quite impressed by They were 1221 01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:48,239 like, this is well, if it is a fake. It's well done, 1222 01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:50,520 things moving and things. Yeah, I mean, I've got to say 1223 01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:57,079 I've I've spoken the spirits about that particular film. He was actually an expert 1224 01:20:57,119 --> 01:21:00,520 of filmmakers, as you know, and he seems that he says it is 1225 01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:03,199 a fake. But there you go. It's one of those things. It's 1226 01:21:03,239 --> 01:21:09,479 just a matter of opinion. The week's you just don't know, that's it. 1227 01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,560 Yeah, that's the problem with video and photographic evidence. Yeah, and 1228 01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:15,479 that's why I think the testimonial evidence is almost as important, if not more 1229 01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:19,439 important than it, especially in this modern age. Yeah, with all the 1230 01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:23,239 CGI and that sort of thing that's fake's been put out left run center. 1231 01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:26,000 I mean a classic one that we had out in recent year as a Skinny 1232 01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,359 Bob, the Skinny Bob video, which is probably well now. That one 1233 01:21:29,399 --> 01:21:32,079 looked very very compelling. It looked really realistic, and nobody's ever owned up 1234 01:21:32,079 --> 01:21:35,319 to actually doing it either. The actual creator of that is not known. 1235 01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:39,439 All that we know is it is definitely CGI, even though it looks hyper 1236 01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:42,920 realistic. Yeah, there's a lot of people out there who believe it's genuine. 1237 01:21:43,079 --> 01:21:45,199 And you can see in the comments people are going They're like, wow, 1238 01:21:45,199 --> 01:21:47,439 this is the evidence and it's not analyzed it and the CGI. It 1239 01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:50,840 just shows how good CGI is getting these days. Absolutely, Yeah, it's 1240 01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:54,760 very chrea difficult. We've only got to see the Avengers movies to see how 1241 01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:58,479 good it is. Well, that's it. Yeah, it's like a Bigfoot 1242 01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:00,920 the Bigfoot film will in when you see the big Foot walking across the street, 1243 01:22:01,399 --> 01:22:04,960 the road, road in the in the forest. I mean, that's 1244 01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:10,000 never been that's never been proved to be faked. It's never been proved to 1245 01:22:10,039 --> 01:22:13,720 be faith. There's there's some interesting elements to that. Actually, so do 1246 01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:15,920 I do have an interest in Bigfoot and that as well, not like to 1247 01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:19,520 the same extent of course. And I've decided to focus, so we say, 1248 01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:23,560 on UFOs, but I've still got passing interests in other ravers of the 1249 01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:27,079 paranormal. Yeah, that footage has always impressed me, and I've I've seen 1250 01:22:27,399 --> 01:22:31,920 I've seen their proper detailed examination of that footage done by a UK big foot 1251 01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:35,760 researcher, Paul Vera. I don't know if you know Paul Paul Vera is, 1252 01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:41,479 yeah, UK big foot expert. He did a full lecture on that 1253 01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:44,920 just on that video and there's elements to it, like the fact that the 1254 01:22:45,079 --> 01:22:49,600 things female and actually has memories, and the way that it's walking does not 1255 01:22:50,039 --> 01:22:55,199 look like a human walk, and that's sort of thing. The way the 1256 01:22:55,279 --> 01:22:59,119 legs are moving and things. There's there's little elements in it that point away 1257 01:22:59,119 --> 01:23:01,920 from it just being a in a gorilla suit. You know, again, 1258 01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:08,239 you can't tell. Very occasionally. You get these videos a lot of the 1259 01:23:08,279 --> 01:23:11,560 time. There you have people on both sides. You know, you have 1260 01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:14,439 some people thinking it's real, some people think it's not. Other people kind 1261 01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:18,079 of side either way. Are they only really compelling or shall we say intriguing. 1262 01:23:18,239 --> 01:23:23,039 Video that I've ever had given me over the years came as part of 1263 01:23:23,079 --> 01:23:28,960 a big contact case from Droit which that I investigated. Now this you may 1264 01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:31,720 have seen this piece of footage with the lady in the bed. If you 1265 01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:36,119 haven't, I'll be going through it anyway. Essentially, in late two thousand 1266 01:23:36,199 --> 01:23:40,720 and ten, she had two abduction experiences. This is a really big case 1267 01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:44,119 here. She's had a life lifetime of experiences right about the childhood. But 1268 01:23:44,279 --> 01:23:47,640 she liked many experiences. She pushed those experiences aside. There were two weird 1269 01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,960 nat in ordinary so she just ignored them and pretended there weren't there. There 1270 01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:56,439 was all sorts of stuff like psychic premonitions and lots of different things. But 1271 01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:59,479 in two late two thousand and ten, she had two abductions in the space 1272 01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:02,439 of one and these were kind of her trigger experiences. And by that, 1273 01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:08,359 I mean there were experiences that was quite obvious something strange had happened, and 1274 01:24:08,399 --> 01:24:11,560 it got her to readdress and look at the previous things that had happened in 1275 01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:18,239 her life. But the second experience was captured on camera, or could have 1276 01:24:18,279 --> 01:24:23,159 been captured on camera. I'll go Should I go through in detail all I 1277 01:24:23,159 --> 01:24:26,079 happened with the two of ductrin Jah? Yeah, sure, there's some really 1278 01:24:26,159 --> 01:24:29,399 interesting elements to them. Actually, it's one of the cases I talked about 1279 01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:32,800 quite a lot over the years because it's it's such an intriguing case and it 1280 01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:35,840 has lots of elements to So it involved a family. Yeah, they're on 1281 01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:41,319 the outskirts of dry which in a kind of rural area overlooking sort of open 1282 01:24:41,399 --> 01:24:45,920 farmers fields and in I think it was the third of December or something like 1283 01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:47,800 that. Yeah, I think I was right, third of seventy ten. 1284 01:24:48,359 --> 01:24:51,680 So she was finding hard to sleep. She had no interest in the UFO 1285 01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:55,000 subject. By the way, Yes, they didn't. They didn't know what 1286 01:24:55,079 --> 01:24:57,600 to tell me or what I was expecting to hear, anything like that. 1287 01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:00,159 So she was finding hard to sleep. Her husband had gone to bed, 1288 01:25:00,319 --> 01:25:02,760 and she was just there lying around. It's about one in the morning, 1289 01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:08,720 can't sleep. Gets to check on her daughter's daughter in separate side bedroom, 1290 01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,239 walks on through there to have a look. Now, at that point, 1291 01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:15,479 they didn't have a curtain on her daughter's window, just leave the window open, 1292 01:25:16,279 --> 01:25:20,720 and she had a look at happening to glance outside in the distance over 1293 01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:24,800 some trees in the disn't she sees this, well, it's kind of similar 1294 01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:28,920 to your own sighting. Though. She saw an orange oval shaped object and 1295 01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:31,680 it's moving slowly to the left, and initially she sings, there's a plane 1296 01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:34,600 crashing. She's like, there's a plane crush going on, but she realized 1297 01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:39,239 it's moving too slowly, so it can't be a plane. But then she's 1298 01:25:39,239 --> 01:25:42,039 trying to think, is it like a light reflecting from the room somewhere, 1299 01:25:42,039 --> 01:25:44,760 like something electronic in the room, you know, So she's not like immediately 1300 01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:45,920 like a s an alien space ground or only like you know, She's like 1301 01:25:46,119 --> 01:25:49,239 could it be something MUNDANEA So she's looking around to see if she can find 1302 01:25:49,279 --> 01:25:53,840 reflections, and she even holds up her She gets an eight four piece of 1303 01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:56,279 paper and puts it on the on the window, and she can see the 1304 01:25:56,359 --> 01:25:59,039 light still coming through it, so she knows it's from coming from outside. 1305 01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:01,920 So she looks around at her daughter. Once she looks back, the objects 1306 01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:05,479 no longer in the distance. It's now jumped and it's about a hundred yards 1307 01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:10,039 away from the house. And it's also right down near the ground. What 1308 01:26:10,199 --> 01:26:13,720 it looked like was a long bank of lights. She couldn't really see there, 1309 01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:15,319 but beyond the lights, you could just see that there was something there 1310 01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:20,640 with glowing lights along Issia. Now, at this point, instead of wake 1311 01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:25,680 her daughter up, or wake her husband up, or ring the police or 1312 01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:30,800 run and hide, she accepts it and goes back to bed. So there's 1313 01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:34,239 a UFO enclosed proximity to her own house, and instead of react like the 1314 01:26:34,279 --> 01:26:39,760 way that you would normally react, she just thinks, okay and gets back 1315 01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:43,119 into bed. This is a this is an element to contact that terms of 1316 01:26:43,159 --> 01:26:45,520 again and again and again, this kind of altered frame of mind. People 1317 01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:49,039 are really complaisant to what's going on here, which is one of the reasons 1318 01:26:49,039 --> 01:26:53,319 why there's very few photographs. So people are sort of saying, oh, 1319 01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:56,640 all the mobile phone cameras, if people are really being taken by these beings, 1320 01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:59,000 how come they all taking shots of them and that sort of thing. 1321 01:26:59,079 --> 01:27:01,800 And this is why, because when they experienced contact, they're not acting normally. 1322 01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:03,880 So she goes back to bed. Yeah, and she's lying there. 1323 01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:08,520 She thinks she closes her eyes, doesn't think she drops off. She's just 1324 01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:11,640 lying there in darkness. All of a sudden, she realizes she opens her 1325 01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:14,800 eyes. She's no longer in her rooms, but she can't see anything. 1326 01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:17,640 She's she's lying down. It's pitch black everywhere. The only thing she can 1327 01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:21,920 see is her eldest daughter, who's up here by a right shoulder. And 1328 01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:26,920 her daughter leans in and says, don't worry, mum, it's your turn 1329 01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:30,399 next. They aren't going to hurt you, right, And she doesn't know, 1330 01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:32,600 she's like, but before she gets a chance to talk with her about 1331 01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:35,560 what she means, she feels this kind of rushing sensation, almost like she's 1332 01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:39,239 going for a tunnel or some time, and then she's in this totally new 1333 01:27:39,319 --> 01:27:43,920 environment. Yeah, she finds herself. She's believes she's naked. She's paralyzed 1334 01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:45,119 from the next down, which she can move ahead a tiny little bit like 1335 01:27:45,159 --> 01:27:50,000 this, but not much all around her and glowing grid lines essentially like yellow 1336 01:27:50,079 --> 01:27:54,960 laser lines in square shapes all around almost like tron or something, and everywhere 1337 01:27:55,039 --> 01:27:58,760 she can look, she can just see these glowing yellow squares. But she 1338 01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:00,720 realizes that there's be around her, but she can't see them. She wants 1339 01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:03,560 to kind of see them. She can sense that there's some something being up 1340 01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:08,159 here behind her left shoulder, and then she senses that there's a load of 1341 01:28:08,199 --> 01:28:12,680 small ones kind of standing around her, around her floating body. She doesn't 1342 01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:15,399 feel like she's on a bench or anything. But again she can't look down 1343 01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:17,560 to see them because she can't ark her neck enough. Now while she knows 1344 01:28:17,279 --> 01:28:19,680 the short who knows, you know, she just kind of senses that his 1345 01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:24,960 short childlike things. And she starts to feel and touching and then touching her 1346 01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:27,600 body, like going down her body like this. And she had a bad 1347 01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:29,760 back at the time, and she was worried that they were going to hurt 1348 01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:32,880 her back and touch her on the spine or whatever and hurt her and in 1349 01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:36,399 response to that worry, she hears a telepathic voice in her head say, 1350 01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:39,960 don't worry, We're not going to hurt your back. So it's kind of 1351 01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:43,479 like they could hear her thoughts, and we're responding to her thoughts. They 1352 01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:46,479 perform some kind of examination where they're going checking her and everything. This goes 1353 01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:49,279 on a short period, and then all of a sudden, in the distance, 1354 01:28:49,319 --> 01:28:54,039 as this white rectangle of light opens up off to the left year and 1355 01:28:54,119 --> 01:28:56,680 she can see it because you can kind of look downwards a bit like looking 1356 01:28:56,680 --> 01:29:00,800 down her body. She can see her over there standing in this light is 1357 01:29:00,039 --> 01:29:03,439 her eldest son. Yeah, he's quite a tall guys about seven and a 1358 01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:08,359 half foot, I reckon so at least seven fire, huge guy, absolutely 1359 01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:12,359 dwarf me. And I met him when I went around the house to investigate 1360 01:29:12,359 --> 01:29:14,680 the case. Here, a real nice guy, and he was just there 1361 01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:16,239 in this experience. He is standing in this doorway, but he's not interacting 1362 01:29:16,239 --> 01:29:18,680 with her or coming and helping her or anything. He's just standing her, 1363 01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:21,479 staring at her, and she's wondering why on earth he's there and isn't helping 1364 01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:25,159 her. And this goes on a while and then she kind of hears some 1365 01:29:25,279 --> 01:29:28,000 sort of chattering going on. She thinks it was the beings talking to one 1366 01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,039 another, and she could hear this chittering but couldn't really make out any actual 1367 01:29:30,039 --> 01:29:33,279 words. His sense there was a kind of sense of rush, like she 1368 01:29:33,319 --> 01:29:36,840 wasn't supposed to be there any longer and she'd overstayed a welcome or something. 1369 01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,800 And then all of a sudden, she's bang and she's back in her bed 1370 01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:44,079 yea. And she jumps up and she's in bedroom right, wakes her husband 1371 01:29:44,159 --> 01:29:45,960 up. She's like convinced it wasn't a nightmare, feels like really vivid. 1372 01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:48,359 She remembers all these details. She's like, what earth was that? What 1373 01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:51,000 happened? So she wakes her husband up, and her husband's like, and 1374 01:29:51,119 --> 01:29:54,560 sat a bad dream? Settle back down this sort of thing, Yeah, 1375 01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:57,720 who drops back off and everything, And she manages to settle down to sleep 1376 01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:02,520 here in the morning, and she feels like really anxious about it, and 1377 01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:05,600 this kind of anxiety kind of starts to build up through the days yea, 1378 01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:08,520 And she doesn't want to go to sleep in the room, you know, 1379 01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:12,439 because she remembers it. And this is obviously another common side effect or after 1380 01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:15,319 effect of having her contach experiences, you know, you don't want to go 1381 01:30:15,319 --> 01:30:17,319 back to the location, stands to reason. A lot of the time that's 1382 01:30:17,359 --> 01:30:21,239 subconscious, but with this she has conscious memories of pretty much everything. Yet 1383 01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:26,800 and she also strangely felt like she was pregnant. She's really weird, right, 1384 01:30:27,039 --> 01:30:29,760 So when this kind of built up over a couple of days until she 1385 01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:33,079 actually visited a GP and got her GP to confirm that she wasn't pregnant. 1386 01:30:33,119 --> 01:30:36,800 And after he confirms she wasn't pregnant, that feeling kind of went away. 1387 01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:41,560 Ye might have something to do with the hybrid programs, and we don't know. 1388 01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:46,000 So she's starting to get more and more panicky about going to sleep in 1389 01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:50,000 the bedroom yet and her husband thinks she's over reacting and he didn't really believe 1390 01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:54,159 what's happened to her, and either things with a dream or something. Yeah, 1391 01:30:54,199 --> 01:30:57,520 but he happened to make security cameras for living you to put together in 1392 01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:00,640 foro red cameras. When I went around the house, they'd loads of light 1393 01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:03,000 boxes in for a cameras and stuff. Yea, for all these cameras around. 1394 01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:05,560 He's like, well, how about this, we'll set up a camera 1395 01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:09,479 in the bedroom and whenever we go after sleep, Yeah, we'll start the 1396 01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:12,880 camera running. Yeah, and nothing will come and nothing will come and get 1397 01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:15,319 you if you're being watched, will it. Yeah, So it kind of 1398 01:31:15,359 --> 01:31:17,199 puts the mind it easier, and she's like okay, and they try that, 1399 01:31:17,359 --> 01:31:20,079 and sure enough it settles her down. Yeah, and she starts to 1400 01:31:20,159 --> 01:31:24,520 kind of be able to sleep normally again. Yeah. But about three days 1401 01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:27,880 later, Yeah, about this camera running each night. Yeah, and in 1402 01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,920 the morning they kind of obviously don't shut the footage and hours and hours and 1403 01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:33,520 the sleeping he so they just wipe the footage and and carry on the next 1404 01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:38,399 day they do the same about three days later. About theer's like each other's 1405 01:31:38,399 --> 01:31:42,680 second experience here, So this time she's not awake and seizing up or anything 1406 01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:45,239 like that. She just suddenly finds herself in this other environment and it's totally 1407 01:31:45,239 --> 01:31:47,960 different before you, she said it was. It reminded her a bit like 1408 01:31:48,039 --> 01:31:50,439 a doctor's office. She said. There were wood paneling over the walls, 1409 01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:54,359 and there was some sort of double doorway she was lying down on, and 1410 01:31:54,359 --> 01:31:57,680 there was a more classic in this regard. She was lying down on some 1411 01:31:57,720 --> 01:32:01,319 sort of flattened bench she was unclothed but had a kind of thin white sheet 1412 01:32:01,359 --> 01:32:06,880 draped across a body. She sensed again the one appear behind the shoulder again 1413 01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:10,760 she was paralyzed. Yeah, but she sends that same being was there, 1414 01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:12,960 the one that had been there before. There's a kind of link between the 1415 01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:16,239 two experiences. Yeah, so her right, she can look down. She 1416 01:32:16,239 --> 01:32:20,840 can see this short dots of chap. Yeah, it's about four foot high. 1417 01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:25,279 It's got spectacles on, he's got rush back, red hair, is 1418 01:32:25,319 --> 01:32:29,600 wearing a kind of white doctor's coat. Yeah, and he's standing there, 1419 01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:32,039 looked weird. Chap. It puts his hands out. It doesn't touch you. 1420 01:32:32,159 --> 01:32:34,800 He holds his hands a couple of inches above a body, and he 1421 01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:38,520 starts to move down the body like this, doing some kind of scan of 1422 01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:42,720 a body. She starts to get telepathic messages in her mind of ale months 1423 01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:45,560 that she's had, either in the past or currently. So he says stuff 1424 01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:47,079 like, used to have a stomach ulcer a number of years ago, has 1425 01:32:47,119 --> 01:32:49,600 gone away, obviously you got bad back, and this sort of thing. 1426 01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:53,880 So she's hearing these messages in her head, and she's very worried he's going 1427 01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:57,640 to say something bad. Light you've got cancer or something. But it doesn't 1428 01:32:57,640 --> 01:33:01,119 do that. So this this scan type situation ation occurs, and then that's 1429 01:33:01,399 --> 01:33:03,840 it. That's the end of experience. Yeah, all of a sudden, 1430 01:33:04,239 --> 01:33:08,920 she's back in the bed again, wakes up, you know, reach it 1431 01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:12,119 over, and she's she's really worried. She's convinced something's happened. Yeah, 1432 01:33:12,279 --> 01:33:14,880 husband's like nothing, you know, and just settled back down. Yeah, 1433 01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:18,439 so she does. She just drops back off to sleep, but in the 1434 01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:23,960 morning, of course without the camera running him. So the night so they're 1435 01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:25,880 like, what you're gonna do. You're gonna check the camera to see if 1436 01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:29,239 anything is unusual on it. Yeah, so they start looking through this fossage, 1437 01:33:29,319 --> 01:33:31,279 right, and as hours and hours I'm just lying there sleeping, gets 1438 01:33:31,319 --> 01:33:39,920 about three thirty through the whole lot of Oh yeah exactly, And yeah, 1439 01:33:40,039 --> 01:33:44,399 gets about three thirty three in the morning, which might be might be significant, 1440 01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:46,119 or might not be. Yeah, you could sear it's just a coincidence. 1441 01:33:46,279 --> 01:33:49,920 But there's some numerous e type out elements to come out through contact experience 1442 01:33:50,239 --> 01:33:54,159 sometimes. But yeah, a round three thirty three in the morning. Yeah, 1443 01:33:54,239 --> 01:33:57,079 she starts doing this weird thing. But she's in the bed and you 1444 01:33:57,119 --> 01:34:00,399 can see a line there and she it's almost like she rolls around and arking 1445 01:34:00,399 --> 01:34:02,520 her back here like really high underneath the sheet. Yeah, and you can 1446 01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:05,920 see it kind of bolts you up right, and it's like she's almost like 1447 01:34:06,359 --> 01:34:09,560 I don't know, and don't describe it, like she's arking upwards you. 1448 01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:13,680 And then all of a sudden, it just folds inwards, just ridiculously flat. 1449 01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:16,319 Yeah, And it just sinks in and it's just looks really flat, 1450 01:34:16,399 --> 01:34:19,640 like you can sort of stop just about makeup the husband. But it's kind 1451 01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:23,880 of a bit dark across outside the room and it's infrared, yeah, and 1452 01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:27,319 it's not the best quality. Yeah, but he's there and she's definitely gone 1453 01:34:27,359 --> 01:34:30,119 yeah, or seems to have gone right. And then there's about fourteen minutes 1454 01:34:30,199 --> 01:34:32,560 right where there's nothing. There's like no movement at all or anything here. 1455 01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:35,560 It's just dead flat. And then all of a sudden, the bedclothes kind 1456 01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:38,920 of shoots in the air, and when they settling again, she's kind of 1457 01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:43,119 moving around and stuff, and then settling she's back yere. Now I don't 1458 01:34:43,119 --> 01:34:45,159 want to be rude, but you know she's quite you know, quite a 1459 01:34:45,199 --> 01:34:49,880 sizeable lady. Yeah, and it just looks weird. It looks really weird. 1460 01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:54,600 Yeah. Now, in speaking with her and her family, Yeah, 1461 01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:58,239 I've gotten absolutely no doubt that this is a real piece of video. This 1462 01:34:58,359 --> 01:35:01,880 is not an orchestrated hopes it's been put out online. She actually sent it 1463 01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:05,199 to the American team a fact or faked I don't ever seen that program. 1464 01:35:05,199 --> 01:35:08,840 To try to prove with disproof that she sent it to them, I kind 1465 01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:11,359 of warner off it. I said, you know, you don't need to 1466 01:35:11,359 --> 01:35:13,359 be doing that, they'll really kill it and that sort of thing. But 1467 01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:15,439 she was like she was intrigue, just like why not, you know, 1468 01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:17,279 I'll see what they think of it, because maybe they'll know they're experts, 1469 01:35:17,359 --> 01:35:20,359 maybe they'll know what it is whatever. She was genuinely intrigued by it. 1470 01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:26,600 She was also quite traumatized by it because it correlated with the experience of the 1471 01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:29,600 same night as experience, and it's this weird footage in in a way, 1472 01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:32,039 it kind of showed her that something might have actually happened to her, and 1473 01:35:32,079 --> 01:35:34,520 it really spooked her out. She didn't like it one bit. Yeah. 1474 01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:38,680 Now, we tried to get hold of the raw footage off off the camera, 1475 01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:42,039 but it's not built that way. It's not the unconnected via usbing get 1476 01:35:42,039 --> 01:35:45,199 the file off. Yeah, it was a lot security camera. It wasn't. 1477 01:35:45,199 --> 01:35:47,359 You weren't meant to extract the file here. They couldn't work out to 1478 01:35:47,399 --> 01:35:49,640 do it. So at the time, what they did is they played it 1479 01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:54,119 on a monitor and they videoed the monitor. Yeah, so it was kind 1480 01:35:54,119 --> 01:35:58,800 of like secondhand. Yeah. So the initial footage that I saw was kind 1481 01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:01,560 of slightly reduced quality here because they were filming it, and they were just 1482 01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:06,159 filming the screen ye and showing me what was on there. Later on, 1483 01:36:06,359 --> 01:36:09,840 the fact or fake team did manage to crack it in the end. Now 1484 01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:12,520 I couldn't. I was trying to crack this. I was trying to get 1485 01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:15,359 into this file type. It was just really weird file type. I antually 1486 01:36:15,399 --> 01:36:17,039 get hold of the file up the camera, yea, but it was unreadable 1487 01:36:17,079 --> 01:36:20,199 with anything. And I even come across the special readers online that were supposed 1488 01:36:20,239 --> 01:36:23,279 to read it, and they wouldn't read it. Yes. I was just 1489 01:36:23,359 --> 01:36:27,479 like crying out loud because I wanted to get a high quality in view of 1490 01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:30,720 the footage. It didn't really explain them much more. I saw the higher 1491 01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:33,039 quality version of the footage later on, and it didn't really answer any more 1492 01:36:33,119 --> 01:36:38,319 questions. It was the same, It was just a bit sharper. Yeah, 1493 01:36:38,359 --> 01:36:40,680 they don't actually crack it, but because it was kind of done by 1494 01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:43,960 the TV company, they kept they kept the rights to that. They kept 1495 01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:46,600 the rights to that cracked footage. Now, interestingly, they said that they 1496 01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:51,760 couldn't recreate the footage without using camera trickery. So they actually tried to recreate 1497 01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:57,880 the footage themselves and they couldn't do a successful job without using special effects or 1498 01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:00,159 some kind of contraption inside the bed, you know, like ol draulics or 1499 01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:03,319 some of the sins in Now, this is a normal double beds. Some 1500 01:37:03,359 --> 01:37:06,399 people online people come up with all sorts of suggestions for what it is yet, 1501 01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:10,319 but they don't know because I was the only one that us they're investigating 1502 01:37:10,359 --> 01:37:14,000 directly. Yeah, so first of all, they're not going to understand that 1503 01:37:14,159 --> 01:37:17,439 the trauma that these experiences cause this lady, and the fact that this was 1504 01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:21,079 part of a much much bigger case here. I've got no doubt that it's 1505 01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:26,159 it's real footage is not a hoax. Yea. What does it show? 1506 01:37:26,439 --> 01:37:30,600 Right? It either shows her being literally abducted, right, and demterializing from 1507 01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:34,479 the bed and then rematerializing. Now, a lot of contact cases where people 1508 01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:38,920 get taken ballcraft, they describe floating up into the air and still wall or 1509 01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:43,119 whatever the ceiling. But who are we to say that that's how it always 1510 01:37:43,119 --> 01:37:46,880 happens. Yeah, it's either that or it's a weird, very weird optical 1511 01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:50,600 illusion where it looks like she's vanished from the bed that she hasn't. Yeah. 1512 01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:54,000 If it is a weird optical illusion, yeah, that means that she 1513 01:37:54,039 --> 01:37:59,800 hasn't gone anywhere, which then means that that second abduction didn't happen yet, 1514 01:38:00,039 --> 01:38:02,199 it was just in her head while like a dream. But there was all 1515 01:38:02,239 --> 01:38:08,319 sorts of interesting elements to that and the previous experience. Yeah, and don't 1516 01:38:08,319 --> 01:38:11,279 forget it's a bigger case. So there's other abductions that occurred both before and 1517 01:38:11,399 --> 01:38:15,159 also after this experience here. So I was very, very compelled by the 1518 01:38:15,159 --> 01:38:18,880 case that it was a genuine contact to Casia. Now, the details that 1519 01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:21,680 came out, some of the details that came out with us were fascinating. 1520 01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:26,279 So we took a regression hidden and the therapist around to their house and he 1521 01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:30,800 hypnotized the lady in her own house. I work with a hypnotherapist and time 1522 01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,319 to time with contact cases where there appears to be like missing memories and we 1523 01:38:33,319 --> 01:38:38,159 can take them back. Obviously, it's a very controversial perhapsices and some people 1524 01:38:38,159 --> 01:38:43,760 will say that false memories can sink in, But this lady remembered about the 1525 01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:45,720 majority of the experiences anyway. Yeah, we were just exploring things in a 1526 01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:51,039 bit more depth. With the first experience, Yeah, said about the doorway 1527 01:38:51,079 --> 01:38:56,239 opening and the sun being there. Describes the experience exactly the same, So 1528 01:38:56,520 --> 01:39:00,000 no further details come out, no bit she's forgotten or anything. She described 1529 01:39:00,079 --> 01:39:04,000 was the examination procedure. But in the doorway, it's not her son, 1530 01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:09,880 she says, it doesn't look like my son. She described a She described 1531 01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:12,840 it as like a skeleton. She said it was a thin, skeletal figure, 1532 01:39:13,119 --> 01:39:15,239 had black teardrop shaped eyes. She said it was standing there. She 1533 01:39:15,239 --> 01:39:19,079 said it looked kind It wasn't speaking with her at all, but it was 1534 01:39:19,159 --> 01:39:21,239 big. It was like about eight foot high, So it was a It 1535 01:39:21,319 --> 01:39:25,800 was a tall, thin, gray and straight after the regression we got to 1536 01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:29,399 draw it. So there's a drawing of that being in the report. Now 1537 01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:31,399 in her conscious memory, what she was seeing was a screen memory of her 1538 01:39:31,399 --> 01:39:35,880 son. I'm absolutely convinced it was put on the screen memory because maybe because 1539 01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:40,399 it's tall, like her son was. Yeah, maybe that's why it shows 1540 01:39:40,399 --> 01:39:43,760 that if you go down the root, screen memories being some kind of thing 1541 01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:45,479 done on purpose, which I'm not saying one hundred percent that they are, 1542 01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:50,039 but certainly in evidence points that way. Sometimes second experience also had a screen 1543 01:39:50,039 --> 01:39:53,479 memory because I had a small ducta guy. Yeah, so this was more 1544 01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:57,119 interesting. So we were like, describe this small duct to us. The 1545 01:39:57,199 --> 01:40:00,600 rest of hypotherapist says, she said, describe it face, no word of 1546 01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:03,479 her life. She says, its face. It looks like a mask. 1547 01:40:03,680 --> 01:40:06,600 It looks like it wants to fall off. That was the actual words she 1548 01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:11,760 said. So it was like her mind under hypnosis was seeing past the screen 1549 01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:15,399 memory and literally, you know, she was literally seeing past this visage of 1550 01:40:15,479 --> 01:40:18,039 this doctor that this being was putting up. Yeah, we said, describe 1551 01:40:18,079 --> 01:40:20,319 the hands. Yeah, she said the hands are human, and then she 1552 01:40:20,319 --> 01:40:24,039 said, no, no they're not, said that the fingers are too long 1553 01:40:24,079 --> 01:40:28,880 and too pointy. So it was like under hypnosis she was breaking past the 1554 01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:30,760 screen memory and seeing it for what it was, which was very likely. 1555 01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:34,720 Great, she never she never saw it fully in its actual form, but 1556 01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:38,720 the implications there with the short height of it and that sort of thing, 1557 01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:42,720 and the long pointed fingers and that it's yeah, really interesting. So there 1558 01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:45,439 were those details in there. Oh, she did also have body marking. 1559 01:40:45,439 --> 01:40:47,960 Sorry I forgot to mention that after the second experience, when she woke up 1560 01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:51,000 she had some bruises on her abdomen, which she didn't know where they come 1561 01:40:51,039 --> 01:40:54,960 from. She was pretty certain when she'd gone to bed the night before they 1562 01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:58,319 weren't there. So there were all these elements that fitted in with this being 1563 01:40:58,319 --> 01:41:01,640 a genuine abduction experience as part of a genuine contact case had gone right back 1564 01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:06,800 to a childhood yet. Wow, so I have to I have to propose 1565 01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:13,039 that it's real now. A lot of people have said, oh, she 1566 01:41:13,159 --> 01:41:15,960 faked it. Oh there's a gap between the beds. There's two single beds 1567 01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:17,800 pushed together. It wasn't It was a normal double bed. I investigated the 1568 01:41:17,800 --> 01:41:20,920 bedroom. I wish I'd taken lots of photos of the room now, because 1569 01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:25,680 all these questions come from people skeptical of the video, and I tried to 1570 01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:28,079 answer them as best I can, and all I can say is I was 1571 01:41:28,119 --> 01:41:30,840 there. I examined the room. It was a normal room. I fully 1572 01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:32,920 trust the witnesses. I still keep in touch with her from time to time, 1573 01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:35,439 but she's actually moved away now and doesn't live in the UK anymore, 1574 01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:41,479 but occasionally still talked with her. I don't think she's having any experiences any 1575 01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:43,720 longer. I think they've kind of settled down, at least at the moment. 1576 01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:46,760 But that's sometimes the way it can go. But the experiences left a 1577 01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:50,279 lasting impression on her. It wasn't like it wasn't like she was doing this 1578 01:41:50,319 --> 01:41:54,239 for any fame or fortune. She did go she did talk at a couple 1579 01:41:54,279 --> 01:41:59,920 of conferences bravely by herself. Sometimes I speak directly within experiences and I work 1580 01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:03,640 alongside them. I'll do joint talks I've done numerous times with various people. 1581 01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:08,520 But with this case, she actually bravely went up on stage at a couple 1582 01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:11,800 of conferences and talked about it. There was no money involved. It wasn't 1583 01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:14,920 like she was doing it for the money or anything like that. And I'll 1584 01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:17,279 take it to my grave that it was a real case. Yeah, really 1585 01:42:17,279 --> 01:42:20,880 really compelled, absolutely fascinating. Yeah, well, I'll tell you what though, 1586 01:42:21,079 --> 01:42:26,359 we're coming towards you. I can't let you go until we talk about 1587 01:42:26,399 --> 01:42:31,079 the game that you've show produced. Absolutely, Yeah, gonna be like to 1588 01:42:31,199 --> 01:42:35,520 change of subjects. Yeah, well we we sort of come out to almost 1589 01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:41,479 two ears there, so yeah, the time was flying the years. Imbrilliant 1590 01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:45,239 actually, But yeah, you developed a game called UFO Wave. Yeah so 1591 01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:49,760 a lot she is available in Amazon it is, yeah, alongside alongside the 1592 01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:54,520 world the UFOs I've also got a passion for tabletop gaming, you know, 1593 01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:57,840 so right back to my childhood, have always been into like boarding, card 1594 01:42:57,880 --> 01:43:00,680 gamings, sitting around the table and just games directly with family of friends. 1595 01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:04,399 It's always good fun. Especially in this modern era, in this electronic era 1596 01:43:04,479 --> 01:43:09,079 where everything's virtual and there's a lot of online video gaming goes on and that 1597 01:43:09,119 --> 01:43:13,239 sort of thing. I still like sitting around the table and playing things directly. 1598 01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:15,640 And a number of years ago I decided that what I wanted to do 1599 01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:20,239 was combine my interests. Now, there's a number of games out there already 1600 01:43:20,399 --> 01:43:24,800 themed on Ufosiah, but only loosely, and most of the time when the 1601 01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:28,720 subject's covered, it's covered in a very stereotypical way. The owners have all 1602 01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:30,600 got laser guns. It's all about like destruction of the planet and that sort 1603 01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:34,159 of thing, usual sci fi nonsense. Yeah, what I wanted to do 1604 01:43:34,439 --> 01:43:40,159 was create a game that was authentic, authentic to the real UPO subject. 1605 01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:45,399 But I had a choice between taking down a kind of fun accessible route or 1606 01:43:45,439 --> 01:43:48,239 taking down a kind of very serious route. And it sort of detailed artwork 1607 01:43:48,239 --> 01:43:51,239 and that sort of thing, and I decided to go down the kind of 1608 01:43:51,239 --> 01:43:57,159 fun accessible route. So we've got a cartoon artwork for the game. It's 1609 01:43:57,199 --> 01:44:00,720 a want to come up with the concept. Yeah, I came up with 1610 01:44:00,760 --> 01:44:03,399 the name Your Foe Wave because I was thinking what just kind of it kind 1611 01:44:03,439 --> 01:44:09,079 of it fitted what happens in the game and what you're doing in the game. 1612 01:44:10,039 --> 01:44:12,720 Once I've decided, it took a while to kind of get it to 1613 01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:15,760 its end level. Number of years. In fact, it went through about 1614 01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:18,239 five different versions of the game before I finally settled on the end thing. 1615 01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:21,159 Now, the reason for that is I didn't want anybody to think that I've 1616 01:44:21,199 --> 01:44:25,560 just taken an existing game and just slapped UPO skin on it, Yeah, 1617 01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:28,800 and just put it out there, ripped off another game. What I believe 1618 01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:32,800 I've come up with is something that's completely unique. Like I think I've played 1619 01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:36,640 hundreds of boarding card games over the years, and I've never played another game 1620 01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:42,319 that has the same card mechanics as UFO Wave in it. So after all 1621 01:44:42,359 --> 01:44:44,920 these different version changes and that sort of thing, I finally came up with 1622 01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:48,119 something I was genuinely happy with, something that was easy to understand and learn, 1623 01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:54,359 but at the same time different, and also you could repeat play it 1624 01:44:54,439 --> 01:44:57,359 and it wouldn't get boring. And I've played the game over a hundred times 1625 01:44:57,399 --> 01:45:01,760 now ever gets boring. So yeah, Well, so with the artwork, 1626 01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:04,960 there was an artist I had in mind, and I had it. This 1627 01:45:05,079 --> 01:45:08,359 is a really interesting story of the artist, right. I decided to take 1628 01:45:08,399 --> 01:45:11,960 it down this cartoon or going to get cartoon artwork, because I wanted it 1629 01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:15,279 to be kind of accessible for people outside of the UFO community. I didn't 1630 01:45:15,319 --> 01:45:18,239 want it just to appeal to people who knew a lot about UFOs. I 1631 01:45:18,279 --> 01:45:21,720 wanted to appeal to the wider gaming market as well. Also, I wanted 1632 01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:25,359 to make your family friendly. That was an important one for me. I've 1633 01:45:25,399 --> 01:45:28,800 got a twelve year old daughter and I wanted her to be able to enjoy 1634 01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:30,960 the experience and enjoy the game as well. So I wanted it suitable for 1635 01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:35,039 both adults and older kids. So there's lots of ideas that kind of went 1636 01:45:35,079 --> 01:45:40,680 into it. The artist is an actual experiencer who's had actual content experiences. 1637 01:45:41,399 --> 01:45:45,239 He lives in New York. I managed to track him down online. I 1638 01:45:45,319 --> 01:45:48,560 came across his artwork many many years ago, and I remembered him. I 1639 01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:54,079 remembered his art pieces, and I really liked his kind of quirky art style, 1640 01:45:54,119 --> 01:45:56,960 and also he seemed to have a big knowledge of the UFO subject. 1641 01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:59,319 You could tell from the things he was drawing in his art pieces. Yeah, 1642 01:45:59,359 --> 01:46:00,760 but I had no who he was or whether he was still an artist 1643 01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:04,479 or anything. I went looking online and managed to track down out of pages 1644 01:46:04,479 --> 01:46:09,000 and pages, one of his old art pieces had his signature on it. 1645 01:46:09,520 --> 01:46:12,880 I managed to look up his name online and find the guy, and it 1646 01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:15,279 turned out he's still an active artist in New York. He's never done the 1647 01:46:15,359 --> 01:46:19,359 artwork for for a game before, and he was overjoyed when I told him 1648 01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:24,760 what I was doing and who I was and can Yeah. The artist name 1649 01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:29,119 is Eric Black, very Black, and yeah, I'll show the game that's 1650 01:46:29,159 --> 01:46:32,159 I've got for those of you listening on the audio, I don't can describe 1651 01:46:32,159 --> 01:46:36,800 what you're seeing there. So as the box with the front cover artwork on, 1652 01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:43,399 so, yeah, the box is a it's a FlipTop, a magnetic 1653 01:46:43,439 --> 01:46:46,279 FlipTop box, some kind of stuff like that. Yeah, chief Box, 1654 01:46:46,319 --> 01:46:48,920 I had to say, yeah, yeah, I want I wanted it to 1655 01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:53,119 be kind of quite nice and sturdy, and very pleased with the quality arts 1656 01:46:53,119 --> 01:46:58,359 turned out. The front box art essentially has a number of different alien species 1657 01:46:58,399 --> 01:47:00,239 here, and then there's different craft types in the background, as a saucer 1658 01:47:00,359 --> 01:47:03,359 up there in the flying triangle appear and things. We've also got the military 1659 01:47:03,359 --> 01:47:08,319 and a man in black out there as well. So the game is a 1660 01:47:08,359 --> 01:47:13,680 competitive part game for one to six players. It's a resource gathering game. 1661 01:47:14,279 --> 01:47:17,079 But I wanted to flip things on his head a bit. How most people 1662 01:47:17,119 --> 01:47:20,960 would expect a game of that ELK would be that you play as the humans 1663 01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:25,039 and maybe you have to fight back from against the aliens or something like that. 1664 01:47:25,439 --> 01:47:28,199 I wanted to do the other way around. I wanted you to actually 1665 01:47:28,239 --> 01:47:31,079 play as the alien species. So in Ufo Wave, at the start of 1666 01:47:31,079 --> 01:47:35,439 the game, you actually choose one of these species. You can play as. 1667 01:47:35,159 --> 01:47:39,079 There's there's six different species that you can play as in the game, 1668 01:47:39,159 --> 01:47:44,279 and they're all based on genuine experiences. We've got the grays of obviously in 1669 01:47:44,319 --> 01:47:47,159 their Nordics, or humanoids played ins, whatever you want to call them, 1670 01:47:47,239 --> 01:47:53,239 are in there. Got mounted beings less seen, but still I've dealt with 1671 01:47:53,279 --> 01:47:57,680 a number of cases involving those tall insectoid types. We've got Reptilians are in 1672 01:47:57,720 --> 01:48:01,479 the game. We've got hybrids. I wanted to include the hybrid breeding program 1673 01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:04,319 in the game as an element of view a fur wave. So one of 1674 01:48:04,319 --> 01:48:08,800 the species you can actually play as is the hybrids, a human alien cross 1675 01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:12,479 breed, and then the last species is a shadow being, which I've put 1676 01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:15,680 in there because of the links with the paranormal world. So you choose a 1677 01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:18,560 species that start the game, and they've all got their own different advantages, 1678 01:48:19,199 --> 01:48:21,840 so it's kind of crowds a bit of replayability. You can try it out 1679 01:48:21,880 --> 01:48:28,079 with different species and see how the gameplays. But essentially what you do in 1680 01:48:28,119 --> 01:48:32,720 the game is your tasked with performing activities such as abductions or landings or creation 1681 01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:38,920 of crop formations, and also absorbing of energy which can give you extra bonus 1682 01:48:38,920 --> 01:48:42,760 points. There's a line of cards in the middle of the table called the 1683 01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:45,359 scan or the scan line, and it's essentially what you can see in the 1684 01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:48,800 vicinity from your craft, both up in the air and on the ground, 1685 01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:55,960 and on that you're going to have various activities that can be performed. There's 1686 01:48:56,119 --> 01:49:00,159 energy that you can absorb, and there's also groups of humans who are are 1687 01:49:00,399 --> 01:49:02,479 most of the time they're apt to stop you. So we've got the military 1688 01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:06,439 in there, there's many black there's even groups of skywatchers. They've got groups 1689 01:49:06,439 --> 01:49:12,479 of skywatchers in the game. And lastly, I wanted to include a card 1690 01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:15,680 for UF enthusiastics, people who people that love the subject. So there's a 1691 01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:19,520 card called Believers in there, and the Believers card is actually positive. You 1692 01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:23,720 actually want to try to get spotted by the believers and build up a bit 1693 01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:29,600 of a following. So you're you're performing these activities for victory points by taking 1694 01:49:29,640 --> 01:49:33,079 things off this line of cards here. Now, the interesting thing about ufa 1695 01:49:33,159 --> 01:49:35,960 way from what makes it different, is it's all about the positioning of the 1696 01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:41,119 cards on that line. Because let's say, for example, there's a landing 1697 01:49:41,159 --> 01:49:44,039 and it's worth a lot of points, to you, and you'd just bet 1698 01:49:44,079 --> 01:49:45,640 to take that landing. Usually you just bet to perform that on your turn. 1699 01:49:46,079 --> 01:49:48,600 But let's say that one side of it is a man in black and 1700 01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:51,640 the other side of it is a military. Yeah, they're actually watching that 1701 01:49:51,720 --> 01:49:56,359 card because they're adjacent to it on the line. Yeah, so while they're 1702 01:49:56,399 --> 01:49:59,800 watching it, you can still perform that activity. But if you do, 1703 01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:01,920 they're going to spot you. And when you even spot you, you move 1704 01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:05,319 the card in front of you directly on the table and it has a negative 1705 01:50:05,359 --> 01:50:10,000 effect mostly. Sometimes they can affect you at the end of the game, 1706 01:50:10,039 --> 01:50:12,680 like maybe you lose you some points at the end of the game, or 1707 01:50:12,720 --> 01:50:15,000 sometimes they can affect you straight away. So for example, if you get 1708 01:50:15,039 --> 01:50:18,760 Skywatchers and they spot you, it drops your maximum hand size, giving you 1709 01:50:18,840 --> 01:50:23,159 less options. Now, the cards that you're holding your hands, you've got 1710 01:50:23,199 --> 01:50:28,720 powers, which are advanced abilities that you can do and also craft that you 1711 01:50:29,439 --> 01:50:32,479 combine with the powers, and they have they have a wide variety of effects, 1712 01:50:32,479 --> 01:50:35,159 like some of them will affect the scan line, like maybe move positions 1713 01:50:35,159 --> 01:50:40,560 of cards or remove cards. Other ones are more offensive, so you can 1714 01:50:40,640 --> 01:50:44,920 use them to attack your other opponents directly. Maybe you causing paralysis on them, 1715 01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:46,279 stopping them from doing things for a turn, that sort of thing, 1716 01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:49,640 and then others are the other way around and a more defensive. An example 1717 01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:53,880 of that is Missing Time, and we've got Missing Time in there's one of 1718 01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:57,680 the powers and it allows you to counter a card that's been played against you 1719 01:50:57,720 --> 01:51:01,039 by somebody else. So how you use your powers and craft in the game 1720 01:51:01,800 --> 01:51:08,239 creates this kind of level of strategic depth that you pick up after numerous games. 1721 01:51:08,239 --> 01:51:10,840 And there's certain ways of using the cards, and because you can use 1722 01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:13,640 them in tandem, you can you can start to build up nice, nice 1723 01:51:13,720 --> 01:51:16,079 links by playing multiple payers one off to the time to get really good points 1724 01:51:16,079 --> 01:51:21,960 on your turn. Yeah, we've so yeah. The game. The game 1725 01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:27,520 went out was kickstarted a couple of years ago. Kickstarter is a crowdfunding website 1726 01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:30,720 where because essentially I don't have the money to manufacture one hundreds and hundreds of 1727 01:51:30,760 --> 01:51:34,439 copies of the card game, so Kickstarter allows you to crowdfund it. So 1728 01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:38,279 people basically back the game, give you the money, and then you send 1729 01:51:38,319 --> 01:51:42,079 that off to the manufacturer and it gets made. We reached our Kickstarter goal. 1730 01:51:42,079 --> 01:51:45,239 It was very pleased with that and I was able to make both both 1731 01:51:45,239 --> 01:51:47,520 the game and its optional playmat, which i'll briefly display for those of you 1732 01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:51,479 watch this on video. You know, the optional playmat is very large in 1733 01:51:51,560 --> 01:51:57,359 size, so it's not you don't have to have that, it's just you 1734 01:51:57,359 --> 01:52:00,239 don't know. But it looks really nice on the table, got really nice 1735 01:52:00,279 --> 01:52:03,520 lip flying triangle appear and the logo the game on the other side. It's 1736 01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:09,319 a bit like a poker poker yes, yeah, absolutely, so that line 1737 01:52:09,319 --> 01:52:12,279 down the bottom that's where the scan line goes. I've talked about the cards, 1738 01:52:12,279 --> 01:52:14,880 and then your decks go at the top, so you don't need it 1739 01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:16,640 to play the game, but it makes things look really swish. And then 1740 01:52:17,119 --> 01:52:20,000 the cards are nice and bright and vibrant colors, and they look really good 1741 01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:24,079 on the sort of dark background on the table. I have to say it's 1742 01:52:24,079 --> 01:52:27,600 a very attractive box. Yes, yeah, it was. Yeah. I'm 1743 01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:30,439 very pleased with how it all turned out. And it was great having Eric 1744 01:52:30,479 --> 01:52:34,319 do the artwork for the game because obviously having his own experiences that helped a 1745 01:52:34,359 --> 01:52:39,319 lot. We've actually included one of his experiences inside the actual manual of the 1746 01:52:39,399 --> 01:52:42,319 game because I wanted to show people that, you know, he wasn't just 1747 01:52:42,359 --> 01:52:45,239 saying he was an experiencer. There's the manual. The manual is themed like 1748 01:52:45,279 --> 01:52:50,279 a top secret government documents. Dave's holding it up. It's got it's sort 1749 01:52:50,279 --> 01:52:56,960 of like it seems like a top secret document absolutely across it. Yeah, 1750 01:52:57,039 --> 01:53:00,600 through there, we've got all the type text in there. This appear is 1751 01:53:00,680 --> 01:53:02,800 Bob. He's our alien mascot. I wanted to they kind of face for 1752 01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:05,680 UFO Wave, and of course we had to go with the gray. It's 1753 01:53:05,680 --> 01:53:09,840 a great called Bob and Bob. It is on the box of the game 1754 01:53:09,880 --> 01:53:13,199 and also throughout the manual sort of teaching you how to play it. That 1755 01:53:13,279 --> 01:53:16,840 manual has been home to Perfection through abouts on twenty different versions to make sure 1756 01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:20,359 that the world was good for the Oh we're hearing about it and seeing it 1757 01:53:20,399 --> 01:53:23,760 just now, it makes me want to get a set, and I definitely 1758 01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:27,239 will do. I'm sure it's actually it's actually a discount at the moment. 1759 01:53:27,239 --> 01:53:29,520 We've actually got out on a short term sale on that at the moment. 1760 01:53:30,119 --> 01:53:32,439 So the game and the play map, they can both be found on Amazon 1761 01:53:32,479 --> 01:53:38,279 dot head at UK if you're listening from abroad, I do do international orders 1762 01:53:38,279 --> 01:53:42,079 as well, but Unfortunately, I can't sell internationally through Amazon. It's extremely 1763 01:53:42,079 --> 01:53:45,560 expensive to do that. You need to be much more before. But I 1764 01:53:45,600 --> 01:53:49,439 will send things directly as long as opposed to just covered. So just reach 1765 01:53:49,479 --> 01:53:54,800 out to me and we can arrange that. So the Yeah, the game's 1766 01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:59,000 got a website, ufo Wave game dot Com. I wanted to get ufo 1767 01:53:59,039 --> 01:54:01,000 wave dot com, but they'd already nicked that, unfortunately. I don't think 1768 01:54:01,079 --> 01:54:02,920 I don't think they were even using it, actually, I think it was 1769 01:54:02,920 --> 01:54:09,760 like but uf awavegame dot Com. On the website is a there's our intro 1770 01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:13,319 video. We did an animated advert launched video which is wonderful. Has the 1771 01:54:13,359 --> 01:54:17,479 background store, and we've got a there's a merchandise store on there, so 1772 01:54:17,640 --> 01:54:20,319 if you like the artwork, you can buy t shirts and mugs and all 1773 01:54:20,359 --> 01:54:25,000 sorts on there with all the art all over it. There's also we sent 1774 01:54:25,039 --> 01:54:28,439 it out for lots of reviews around the world and there's a page on there 1775 01:54:28,439 --> 01:54:31,239 with loads of comments of different game reviewers. It's been seen. It's been 1776 01:54:31,439 --> 01:54:35,720 seen and reviewed by over thirty five different game reviewers around the world. Something 1777 01:54:35,800 --> 01:54:40,359 here in the UK. Others send them abroad. So as uf A wave's 1778 01:54:40,840 --> 01:54:44,720 Yeah, some of them say my midlife crisis. It's just something I wanted 1779 01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:46,840 to do. It's a it's a total passion project. I don't know whether 1780 01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:50,000 it's going to be successful or not. I just did it. I've essentially 1781 01:54:50,039 --> 01:54:54,199 what I've gone and created is without a doubt, the most authentic portrayal of 1782 01:54:54,199 --> 01:54:58,359 the UFO subject ever seen in any in any tabletop game. I can see 1783 01:54:58,439 --> 01:55:01,319 catching on in the UFO field anyway. Yeah, with people that yeah, 1784 01:55:01,359 --> 01:55:04,760 absolutely haven't seen it, I'll tell you what. I will put all the 1785 01:55:04,760 --> 01:55:10,319 adverts and things on the I've got a Paranormal Dimensions page which I'll or the 1786 01:55:10,359 --> 01:55:13,560 links and things on it for Yeah. Yeah, I mean obviously check it 1787 01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:15,479 out. And if that's your thing, I've designed it to be kind of 1788 01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:18,279 straightforward there. So even if you haven't played many card games before, but 1789 01:55:18,359 --> 01:55:21,680 you love the fact that's on your phones, you can easily pick it up. 1790 01:55:21,800 --> 01:55:25,640 Like I said, it's made, it's got eight plus on the box. 1791 01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:28,159 It could probably be taught to a six year old if they were if 1792 01:55:28,159 --> 01:55:30,720 they were, well, if you played the games before, well, I 1793 01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:32,840 think that's the I think that's the interesting thing. If you if you got 1794 01:55:32,840 --> 01:55:38,039 a family, or you got a father and a younger son. It's actually 1795 01:55:38,079 --> 01:55:40,920 good to be able to play a game look At together because you'll you'll actually 1796 01:55:41,039 --> 01:55:45,479 learn about things as wrong. Yeah, it can. It can genuinely be 1797 01:55:45,600 --> 01:55:48,439 used as a kind of fun way of introducing your kids to the to the 1798 01:55:48,439 --> 01:55:53,079 actually your pose terms. You're gonna get terms, and you're going to learn 1799 01:55:53,119 --> 01:55:58,000 a bit about the different species out and the different ships and all the different 1800 01:55:58,039 --> 01:56:01,199 events that can happen as well. Yeah, there's nuns to famous cases in 1801 01:56:01,239 --> 01:56:03,880 there. There's like wording all over the cards, so you'll see little nuds 1802 01:56:03,920 --> 01:56:09,439 to Roswell in other cases embedded in the game. So lots to spot if 1803 01:56:09,439 --> 01:56:12,800 you're into the subject. But you don't necessarily need to be into UFOs to 1804 01:56:12,920 --> 01:56:15,000 kind of understand or play the game. And it's great fun. And I'm 1805 01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:17,479 not just say I'm saying that as a game and not not as its designer. 1806 01:56:17,800 --> 01:56:19,640 It's just something I did. I just want to did it. I 1807 01:56:19,920 --> 01:56:23,279 i'd as think it looks really good, though I'm not what you're saying that 1808 01:56:23,359 --> 01:56:28,159 either. It does get one anyway, It's been my pet project for a 1809 01:56:28,159 --> 01:56:30,720 while. It's good to finally get it out there. Commercially. Um, 1810 01:56:30,920 --> 01:56:32,840 and I'm going to be starting work on my book Connects. So a lot 1811 01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:35,359 of billion, a lot of people have asked when I'm going to be releasing 1812 01:56:35,359 --> 01:56:39,399 a book, and the time is now A should we say I'm just going 1813 01:56:39,439 --> 01:56:43,239 to start it? Yeah together, but yeah, obviously I've dealt with many, 1814 01:56:43,239 --> 01:56:45,840 many cases over the years. It's really fascinating things, some of them 1815 01:56:45,840 --> 01:56:48,720 some which we talked about today. Well we have to do it again though, 1816 01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:53,000 if you want to come maybe in a month, about a month or 1817 01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:56,680 two or no problem, Yeah you can go. Yeah, I hope your 1818 01:56:56,680 --> 01:56:59,680 game, it does will for you, thank you, it does deserve it. 1819 01:56:59,680 --> 01:57:01,479 I'm safe after seeing it and see the work that's got into it. 1820 01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:04,840 We're taking into the UK Games Expert at the start of tune. It's the 1821 01:57:05,159 --> 01:57:11,640 UK's biggest gaming convention, so for three days straight where we've we've booked out 1822 01:57:11,640 --> 01:57:14,000 a table there, so we're going to be allowing people to play test the 1823 01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:16,000 game and pick it up from there. Brilliant, So hopefully that will kind 1824 01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:18,760 of get it out into the gaming world a bit more. At the moment, 1825 01:57:18,800 --> 01:57:21,960 says a lot of people have heard about it through myself on Facebook and 1826 01:57:23,159 --> 01:57:27,520 the thing hopefully a few more people hear about it now through through this show. 1827 01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:30,520 So yeah, as I say, we'll have to do it again, 1828 01:57:30,600 --> 01:57:35,560 Dave. Yeah, it's been great talking to you and getting you on the 1829 01:57:35,600 --> 01:57:40,640 show and everything. It's been fantastic seeing you as well. Indeed, I 1830 01:57:41,319 --> 01:57:43,640 do hope to see you and maybe in majest if you can make it. 1831 01:57:43,800 --> 01:57:46,039 Yeah, can make it, ye, Steve, Actually, sir Stephen Mayor 1832 01:57:46,079 --> 01:57:48,680 actually said I'd be able to get a table there to actually solve your phone 1833 01:57:49,159 --> 01:57:51,079 came along as well. That would be great, yeah, I mean, 1834 01:57:51,079 --> 01:57:54,800 because I'm sure you'd tell a few yeah, yes, yeah, absolutely, 1835 01:57:54,840 --> 01:57:56,920 yeah, so I may I may well make it up because you can sign 1836 01:57:56,960 --> 01:57:59,600 it as ordering you get signed. Absolutely, yeah, you're always after the 1837 01:57:59,640 --> 01:58:01,680 sign um. Yeah, it would be good. Actually, it would be 1838 01:58:01,720 --> 01:58:05,000 good because there's some very good speakers this year. And but yeah, as 1839 01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:10,439 I said, it's very close to a music festival. You might have to 1840 01:58:10,439 --> 01:58:14,600 toss a coiner. Yeah, absolutely, anyway, I'll let you go. 1841 01:58:14,680 --> 01:58:16,560 Thank you very much for coming on. It's a been a pleat show and 1842 01:58:16,600 --> 01:58:20,119 it's great to seeing you. And good luck with the game again. Thank 1843 01:58:20,159 --> 01:58:24,399 you very much. You take care of yourself and I'll speak to you again 1844 01:58:24,439 --> 01:58:28,439 too. Thank you. Cheers day go cheers. Oh sorry, eng On, 1845 01:58:28,680 --> 01:58:32,479 just before you go, sorry, have you got a context address or 1846 01:58:32,520 --> 01:58:36,520 something. Let's go through. Let's go through things. So all the cases 1847 01:58:36,720 --> 01:58:41,720 everyone sorry about, all the cases we've gone over today are on the Birming 1848 01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:45,279 miofo group website. So the majority of cases that I investigate tend to get 1849 01:58:45,319 --> 01:58:49,680 written up as case reports unless the witness specifically asks not to be. You 1850 01:58:49,720 --> 01:58:53,039 know, so I'm happy to talk with people privately, but a lot of 1851 01:58:53,079 --> 01:58:56,479 the time when laver the details to go out. So all the cases we've 1852 01:58:56,479 --> 01:59:00,079 gone over on there, and hundreds more. There's a there's a page you 1853 01:59:00,079 --> 01:59:03,479 can do a search for particular things, particular craft types or particular locations or 1854 01:59:03,560 --> 01:59:05,680 years or whatever. You can have a look on there, so if you 1855 01:59:05,800 --> 01:59:10,600 find things that have happened in your local area, etc. So that's all 1856 01:59:10,640 --> 01:59:13,600 on the website. There's also citing to report form on there, so if 1857 01:59:13,600 --> 01:59:15,640 you've had an experience and you want to get in touch us, one of 1858 01:59:15,680 --> 01:59:18,680 the ways you can do it On Facebook. We've got the organization page for 1859 01:59:18,800 --> 01:59:24,239 Social Birmingham You Foe group on their old release. Details of our monthly meetings 1860 01:59:24,279 --> 01:59:28,760 where we have various speakers come and talk, sometimes do documentary screenings. They 1861 01:59:28,840 --> 01:59:31,960 take place on the first Thursday of every month in Oldbury, North Birmingham, 1862 01:59:32,119 --> 01:59:35,399 and anybody's welcome. You don't have to be an official BOOFOG member. Just 1863 01:59:35,479 --> 01:59:39,680 check out on the website what's going on the events. You can see upcoming 1864 01:59:39,720 --> 01:59:43,680 meetings. I'm actually giving a new talk. I'm putting together a lecture. 1865 01:59:43,920 --> 01:59:45,800 I'm missing time at the moment, and I'm going to be giving that for 1866 01:59:45,840 --> 01:59:49,600 the first time at the start of June, the first Thursday of June, 1867 01:59:49,720 --> 01:59:53,720 which I think, I mean, just get there. I'm just going to 1868 01:59:53,760 --> 01:59:57,720 get the date right a second, give you the right date. It was 1869 01:59:57,760 --> 02:00:00,039 the first there we go. Yeah, literally the first of I'll be down. 1870 02:00:00,079 --> 02:00:03,319 I'll be giving a brand new lecture. I'm screening. I'm missing time. 1871 02:00:03,800 --> 02:00:08,279 So we've got We've got our Facebook community page as well, which is 1872 02:00:08,279 --> 02:00:12,199 where we talked between meetings. It's called boot fog truth Seekers. I'm the 1873 02:00:12,399 --> 02:00:16,479 sole admin of that group and I won't stand for any nonsense. So yeah, 1874 02:00:16,680 --> 02:00:19,199 add yourself to the group. It's a safe place where you can talk 1875 02:00:19,239 --> 02:00:24,520 about UFOs and other areas of the paranormal Ask Questions, et cetera. As 1876 02:00:24,520 --> 02:00:28,760 about one thousand, five hundred members in that at the moment. And yeah, 1877 02:00:28,800 --> 02:00:31,920 and I also write for UFO Truth Magazine as well and put out monthly 1878 02:00:32,039 --> 02:00:38,000 articles on buy monthly articles on that as well. So I think that covers 1879 02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:40,479 it. And we've already gone over the game website as well, up were 1880 02:00:40,520 --> 02:00:43,880 UFO wavegap dot com. As I say, I'll put all the links on 1881 02:00:43,920 --> 02:00:48,640 the US page anyway. Kay, excellent, Akin, thank you very much 1882 02:00:48,640 --> 02:00:51,920 for coming on. Speak to you again soon and take care of yourself. 1883 02:00:53,239 --> 02:00:57,640 Excellent. Thank you very much. Cheers again, cheers bye bye, ye, 1884 02:00:59,319 --> 02:01:01,399 thank you dames. That was great, excellent and I shall be getting 1885 02:01:01,439 --> 02:01:05,279 one of those games and hopefully we'll do another show a bit later. Okay, 1886 02:01:05,319 --> 02:01:10,039 my next show, I've got another extra special and that will be on 1887 02:01:10,079 --> 02:01:14,079 Monday, the twenty ninth of May. Author Anthony Peak, who's been on 1888 02:01:14,119 --> 02:01:17,279 the show about three years ago. Anthony is very well known that he's written 1889 02:01:17,279 --> 02:01:21,079 several books on life after death, so I'm sure you'll be interested in that 1890 02:01:21,600 --> 02:01:26,840 as we all are. Anthony looks from the scientific side of things, and 1891 02:01:26,920 --> 02:01:30,159 I'm sure you'll find it very interesting. Right If you'd like to get in 1892 02:01:30,159 --> 02:01:33,039 touch with me at anytime. My email address is David Young took you in 1893 02:01:33,279 --> 02:01:38,920 at yahoo dot co dot UK. That's David Young took you in at yahoo 1894 02:01:39,039 --> 02:01:43,000 dot co dot UK. So until the next time, that's May the twenty 1895 02:01:43,119 --> 02:01:46,840 ninths with Anthony Peak. I should speak to you then and take care of 1896 02:01:46,840 --> 02:01:53,399 everybody. I'm David Young and thank you for listening. Bye bye. J 1897 02:01:55,560 --> 02:02:00,680 reported. The project sign was quoted from now on afore stated its only similar 1898 02:02:00,720 --> 02:03:04,680 activity would be the routine conventional watch for unidentified flying objects. Paranormal Dimensions is 1899 02:03:04,720 --> 02:03:09,720 fortnightly on Mondays on the Paranormal UK Radio Network.