1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,639 I wanted to give a plug for Sal to her CFA who listens to London 2 00:00:04,639 --> 00:00:10,240 Calling in Cambridge, Massachusetts, recall that Sal is team Toby backs the Free 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:14,000 Speech Union, but not QPR. He's fond of you, James, but 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:18,719 will not indulge your woolier theories. He will nonetheless jump in the trenches with 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:24,640 you when the zombies attack. Listeners check out Sal's podcast, Angel Invest Boston. 6 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:29,039 It's mostly on building technology startups, but it's not all about business. 7 00:00:29,039 --> 00:00:33,719 Sal also delves into other aspects of human flourishing, such as creativity, good 8 00:00:33,719 --> 00:00:38,039 relationships, and healthy aging. Sal is planning a series of episodes about his 9 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,799 lifelong struggle with obesity and how he's managed to finally lose and keep off a 10 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,159 hundred pounds of body weight. Spoiler alert, It's doable, but you've got 11 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,479 to do the work. There are no magic solutions. Stay tuned for that. 12 00:00:51,079 --> 00:00:54,920 Do follow Angel Invest Boston on your podcast app and leave a rating and 13 00:00:54,960 --> 00:01:00,799 a written review to help it get found. This is London Calling. I 14 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,359 want to give respect firstly to the judges who heard us today, because they 15 00:01:03,359 --> 00:01:07,000 were very attentive and they listened to us, and they led us three so 16 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,599 I have to give absolute respect to them. I have no resentment in my 17 00:01:10,599 --> 00:01:12,239 heart for the country of Romania or for anybody else. I just believe in 18 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:17,719 the truth. I believe in God, and I think that the fire of 19 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,000 truth will eventually destroy our lies, and anybody who lies on a long enough 20 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:27,959 timeframe will feel the sting of regret. And I believe in this. Welcome 21 00:01:29,159 --> 00:01:34,120 to London, calling with me James Delingport and my very good friend mister Toby 22 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,799 Young. Toby's what adventures if you had this week? Well, nothing very 23 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,560 exciting. I had actually quite a quiet weekend. QPR. We're playing away. 24 00:01:42,799 --> 00:01:47,799 I wasn't about to inflict that misery on myself again, which is just 25 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:52,159 as well, because we lost one nil to Wigan, who are bottom of 26 00:01:52,159 --> 00:01:56,200 the league and are so poor. I mean, they're in such disarray Wigan. 27 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,879 They actually went on strike during the international and refused to train because the 28 00:02:00,959 --> 00:02:06,239 club's owners haven't paid the players their wages. But even playing bottom of the 29 00:02:06,319 --> 00:02:10,439 league Wiggan, who've just been fined three points and whose players aren't actually being 30 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:15,039 paid, we still lost. So I'm quite glad that I didn't make the 31 00:02:15,039 --> 00:02:23,479 four hundred mile round trip to Wigan. To endure that particular bit of misery. 32 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:29,439 So yeah, without wishing to extend this football conversation any longer is strictly 33 00:02:29,479 --> 00:02:35,680 necessary. What I wanted to ask you was I watched I've given up watching 34 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,479 it, but I did watch for a time that series about those two Hollywood 35 00:02:38,479 --> 00:02:44,120 actors who brought up Wrexham Football Club, which you were quite down on, 36 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:51,039 and one of the things I learned is that, Okay, so we know 37 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:57,719 that Premier League footballers get paid what several million a week, but what was 38 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,919 quite interesting was realizing that even in the low leagues until you get when you 39 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,639 get to the level Wrexham will rap that. Then then it really is amateur 40 00:03:05,759 --> 00:03:10,319 ur But even like in Division is the Division two, Yeah, that it 41 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:15,240 goes Premier League and realistically not all the players. I mean I think that 42 00:03:15,319 --> 00:03:20,719 the highest paid players get you know, more than six figures a week. 43 00:03:21,199 --> 00:03:23,960 Sorry you get get six figures a week, but probably most of them are 44 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:29,360 between fifty and one hundred a week that is in the weekly wages. But 45 00:03:30,039 --> 00:03:32,840 yeah, there's there's the there's the prem there's the Championship, there's League one, 46 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,840 League two, and then you go down to the league that Wrexhams in 47 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:42,479 okay, and what league are human We're in the Championship so the old second 48 00:03:42,479 --> 00:03:46,319 division second okay? So okay, right, yeah, No that I was. 49 00:03:46,479 --> 00:03:49,319 I was just I was just very interested to realize that you could be 50 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,759 in someone where I was miserable, as the second Division or the Championship League, 51 00:03:53,039 --> 00:03:57,960 and still earn a decent whack as as a footballer. Yeah, we 52 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,639 had a footballer on loan at QPR who was a Premier League player, a 53 00:04:02,719 --> 00:04:08,400 Watford player called Andre Gray. He also plays for the Jamaican national team. 54 00:04:09,039 --> 00:04:12,199 We had him on loan at QPR last season and I think we paid, 55 00:04:12,639 --> 00:04:16,279 you know, the lion's share of the wages he was being paid at Watford, 56 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,839 which is fifty thousand pounds a week. So yeah, there are some 57 00:04:19,879 --> 00:04:25,920 players in the Championship earning upwards of fifty thousand a week. Well that's what 58 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,319 you get paid when you participated in bread and circuses, because that's that's all 59 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,959 the purpose of football is. Really. It's designed to distract the masses and 60 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:38,879 make identify with with people kicking a ball around identity to be doing a great 61 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:43,040 job of distracting me. At the moment, they're just making me more miserable. 62 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,000 But tell you what I did. The exciting thing I did. I 63 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:53,480 went to buy a new car. That is exciting. And when I say 64 00:04:53,519 --> 00:04:56,000 I went to buy a new car, obviously I don't mean I went to 65 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:00,319 buy a new car. I went to buy a cut Yeah, so I 66 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:06,600 because I've been driving a a land Rover Freelander for the last ten years and 67 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:11,920 I've run it into the ground. And a Freelander is a good car to 68 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,000 have if you live in the sticks. For example, Sam going to a 69 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,079 meet and I need to, you know, get get on my horse. 70 00:05:19,879 --> 00:05:24,600 Um. Sometimes you have to park your car somewhere where, whether the ground's 71 00:05:24,639 --> 00:05:29,199 all muddy or bumpy or whatever, and you really don't want the humiliation getting 72 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:30,399 stuck in the mudd. You know, people look, people look down on 73 00:05:30,439 --> 00:05:35,120 you if if you it's a bit of a fat part and the lander. 74 00:05:35,639 --> 00:05:42,800 Remember do you remember the time when we went grass shooting and I took my 75 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:47,040 car up onto the grass walls and I was ferrying around Paul Dacer. He 76 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,120 became my little friend for the for the duration, remember, And the car 77 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,879 had had the clearance and all that, and it was it was you know, 78 00:05:55,959 --> 00:06:00,800 so I was quite pleased about that. Anyway, I wanted to get 79 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:06,199 something like a Landrover, but m wife never liked like the Landrover. She 80 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,959 found it too heavy and and it is like driving a sort of an overlaid 81 00:06:10,959 --> 00:06:15,639 and galleon. They're they're they're quite sort of clondery. Um. They're good 82 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:18,720 on bumpy ground and stuff, and they're good in the snow, but they're 83 00:06:18,759 --> 00:06:23,759 not they're not really a joy to drive, especially if you're a girl. 84 00:06:24,319 --> 00:06:31,560 So I asked my my mate James Ruppert. James rupport is probably the greatest 85 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,839 expert on second hand cars. He just he just knows everything there was to 86 00:06:34,879 --> 00:06:39,639 know about it about it and he knows which are the good second hand hand 87 00:06:39,639 --> 00:06:43,439 cars to buy and which are the not good second hand cars to buy. 88 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,720 So he told me, I didn't what I want is not a Landrover. 89 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,360 Um. I mean, obviously a Defender would be kind of a good thing 90 00:06:50,399 --> 00:06:55,600 to happen. You know, then what you want? So he said, 91 00:06:55,680 --> 00:07:01,839 either I wanted a subar Ru something or other or a Toyota Rav four. 92 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,319 Do you know about either of those? Yeah? I think that you're talking 93 00:07:05,319 --> 00:07:10,120 about they're both SUVs, right, Natoyota Rav four is a kind of Japanese 94 00:07:10,199 --> 00:07:14,560 version of a landrover exactly more comfortable. Yeah, yeah, so I was 95 00:07:14,639 --> 00:07:19,319 drawn because super U is quite expensive, and all the ones he showed me 96 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:25,759 being advertised were quite high mileage. But I saw what was your price bracket, 97 00:07:25,879 --> 00:07:29,519 James, I hadn't really got one. I just knew I didn't want 98 00:07:29,519 --> 00:07:32,600 to pay much for a card because I don't really like I don't value cars 99 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,240 very much. For me, there are just a means of getting around. 100 00:07:36,839 --> 00:07:42,000 Then did you hope to get did you have to trade in your landrover and 101 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:43,519 get a bit of a DISI? You know what? Do you know what? 102 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,600 The trade in value of my landrobe was one hundred and fifty quid. 103 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:49,680 Well, it wasn't that bad that it was. It was less than a 104 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:54,800 grand. And one of the reasons was that a few years ago, like 105 00:07:54,839 --> 00:07:59,199 five years ago, wife, when she was coming into our drive, was 106 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,439 looking instead of looking at the direction she was going, and she looked at 107 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:07,000 the grass and noticed how it needed cutting, and whapped into this telegraph pole, 108 00:08:07,519 --> 00:08:11,279 And rather than repair the door, which the door was completely stove in, 109 00:08:11,839 --> 00:08:16,160 I left it there as a constant reminder of what she'd done. And 110 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,959 also because I don't know. I don't I don't want to spend money on 111 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:24,279 bodywork anyway, that's by the bye. So I was trying to sell this 112 00:08:24,439 --> 00:08:28,480 new car. Well, the car when we're going to look at I say, 113 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,120 we've got to go and drive to this garage in Hartfordship to go and 114 00:08:31,199 --> 00:08:33,679 look at this car. And she said, what's it like. You know, 115 00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:37,039 I don't know anything about this car. I said, well, it's 116 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:41,799 called to Rav and she said, well, we sell it to me. 117 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:46,360 And I said, well, Toyota are the It's the favorite brand of the 118 00:08:46,399 --> 00:08:52,600 Taliban and also of the you know, when when we went to war with 119 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:58,039 Libya, all those people with anti aircraft guns or heavy machine guns on the 120 00:08:58,039 --> 00:09:01,759 back of there, they all drove in Toyota high Lux. I said, 121 00:09:01,799 --> 00:09:07,799 this has got to be a good thing because Toyotas are rugged, and when 122 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,080 it all kicks off, we're going to be able to replace the parts very 123 00:09:11,159 --> 00:09:16,600 cheaply that they're not overdesigned. So it's the perfect car for us. And 124 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,399 it was the wrong thing to say, And this was explained to me afterwards. 125 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,399 It was it was told that that this argument would have been fine for 126 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,879 a man, because it's true I've tried it on men and they all go, 127 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:28,480 yeah, yeah, Toyota. Do you see the top Gear episode where 128 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:33,159 they tried to they mute to Toyota and it still started. And so for 129 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,000 a man, this is just great. But girls don't like this stuff. 130 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,080 She said to me, she said, look, I really wasn't interested. 131 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,960 It's all I could think of was bearded men with AK forty sevens, and 132 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,360 it's not It doesn't sell it to me. It doesn't sell it to me. 133 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:56,080 So luckily, she asked some of her colleagues whether whether they had heard 134 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:00,519 them a Toyo to rav and somebody who was a sheep farmer said, yeah, 135 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,120 it's a really good car. It's really reliable. So that's the sheep 136 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:09,039 farmer sold it to her and drives like a car sold it to her. 137 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,320 But Taliban's favorite vehicle did not set it. So there's a lesson to men. 138 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:16,360 Anyway, I've got the car and it's fine. I think. I 139 00:10:16,399 --> 00:10:18,279 don't know whether I got ripped off or not, but okay, um, 140 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:24,120 yeah, so you said it sounds like you had a marginally more interesting weekend 141 00:10:24,159 --> 00:10:28,639 than me. I did some sort of boring household purchases. I've been putting 142 00:10:28,639 --> 00:10:33,759 off for ages. So we had two completely knackered pedal bins in our upstairs 143 00:10:33,799 --> 00:10:39,759 bathrooms. So I went to I went to John Lewis and replaced them. 144 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:46,000 And for some reason, our neutral bullet had started making a really high pitched 145 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:50,320 sound when you do that, well, I know they do. Any this 146 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:54,120 was louder than the noise it routinely makes. There's definitely something wrong with I 147 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,360 think the end the motor had burnt out because we we put not enough liquid 148 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:03,759 in the shape and smoothies we were making, so it was like deafening. 149 00:11:03,799 --> 00:11:07,120 It was like you had to cover your ears when making a smoothie. It 150 00:11:07,159 --> 00:11:11,159 was a kind of stressful process. So anyway, I've replaced the neutral, 151 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:16,840 did a bit of gardening and cooked cooked all the family meals, including roast 152 00:11:16,879 --> 00:11:20,879 chicken and roast potatoes yesterday for Sunday lunch. Give my wife a break and 153 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:24,120 so, yeah, I feel quite a two weeks holiday. She doesn't deserve 154 00:11:24,159 --> 00:11:26,679 a break. She should be chained to that stone for the rest of her 155 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,480 life. Abandoning your kids for how many weeks? Two weeks? No way, 156 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,200 two weeks in Barbados, Yeah, leaving me to hold the fort. 157 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,200 But I'd have a word if I wouldn't, I wouldn't take that. I 158 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,799 think, given that she was we worked out the other day, pregnant for 159 00:11:41,919 --> 00:11:45,360 more than fifty percent of the time over a five year period, it's their 160 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:50,879 job, I think her debt. I'm never going to scale that Brownie point 161 00:11:50,879 --> 00:11:54,559 in Mountain. I'm still in the foothills. James, you bought the feminazi 162 00:11:54,639 --> 00:11:58,559 lie. I mean, okay, I talk a good game. I'm similarly 163 00:12:00,639 --> 00:12:03,480 by my wife, but it doesn't mean that I'm going to defend it. 164 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:09,679 Being oppressed by one's wife on this show should at least one should at least 165 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,440 be properly, properly embarrassed by it, rather than trying to advance it as 166 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:18,759 a kind of serious intellectual case. Are you are you're sending like you're sending 167 00:12:18,799 --> 00:12:26,960 like the top G who was released last week Top G Andrew Taate. Yes, 168 00:12:28,279 --> 00:12:33,519 yes, he was finally released from his Romanian dungeon, though I think 169 00:12:33,519 --> 00:12:39,240 he's still what under house arrest or something? Um And yeah, So I 170 00:12:39,279 --> 00:12:45,000 was talking about my kids. My teenage sons were asking me about top G. 171 00:12:45,279 --> 00:12:48,960 Is he someone the Free Speech Union would defend, etc. And they're 172 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,240 quite interested in him and they don't claim to be fans, but some of 173 00:12:52,279 --> 00:12:56,200 their friends are fans. And when I went and talked at the British International 174 00:12:56,279 --> 00:13:01,720 School of Marbaya week before last, some of the young adolescent boys were very 175 00:13:01,759 --> 00:13:05,519 interested in Top G one or two, clearly fans. And there is this 176 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,720 kind of moral panic within school, certainly in the UK, probably elsewhere too, 177 00:13:09,759 --> 00:13:15,879 about the influence of the Top G on you know, male teenagers. 178 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:20,919 And I think the reason he has kind of acquired this cult like following, 179 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:26,519 it's because he's really the only pro masculinity voice that they hear, whether at 180 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:33,559 school, from their wives and sisters and girlfriends. Within the kind of pop 181 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:39,240 cultural firmament, everyone is down on men. Masculinity is demonized. It's toxic, 182 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,480 even in children's television programs, you know, the male figures, the 183 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:48,120 father figures, people like you know, you know, Daddy Pig in Pepper 184 00:13:48,159 --> 00:13:54,960 Pig. So so the reason he's acquired this cult like following is because he's 185 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,080 the only person out there saying positive things about what it means to be a 186 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,240 man. If only there were a few more, you know, then he 187 00:14:01,279 --> 00:14:05,840 wouldn't he wouldn't be attracting all this attention it's because there's such a death of 188 00:14:05,879 --> 00:14:11,159 anyone defending masculinity and making a positive case for men. But he's so really, 189 00:14:11,159 --> 00:14:13,440 they only had themselves to blame. That was my That was what I 190 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,799 That's what I said to my wife and daughter yesterday. Have you made him 191 00:14:16,799 --> 00:14:18,960 listen to my podcast with him? I did it. I did it a 192 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:24,840 while back. And yes, he's a very he was. He was definitely 193 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:30,840 one of my most fluent, entertaining and interesting guests I've had. I don't 194 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:31,759 know what I mean, whether it's whether it's a good, good thing or 195 00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:35,799 a bad thing. I'm still not sure. I think he's got I think 196 00:14:35,799 --> 00:14:39,679 he's he comes from a CIA background, which which which makes me suspicious. 197 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:45,840 I think there's something slightly dodgy about his conversion to Islam. I don't know 198 00:14:45,879 --> 00:14:48,919 what that's all about. So so I'm kind of agnostic on him. But 199 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,600 he is a good He does talk a good game, or we did on 200 00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:54,480 my on my podcast anyway. But yeah, I mean one of the kind 201 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,879 of one of the things which makes him a complicated figure is that he's obviously, 202 00:15:00,039 --> 00:15:01,600 you know, in the same way that when we were kind of baiting 203 00:15:01,879 --> 00:15:11,639 liberals back in the eighties, we would kind of exaggerate just how right wing 204 00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:16,679 and reactionary we really were in order to kind of trigger them, and we 205 00:15:16,799 --> 00:15:20,960 became sort of deliberately, in order to kind of show them that we were 206 00:15:20,159 --> 00:15:26,519 indifferent to their good opinion, happily played up to the stereotype, the caricature 207 00:15:26,919 --> 00:15:33,320 of kind of toxic, toxic right wing Oxonian males, but in the same 208 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,000 way that they then pointed to us as sort of poster boys but everything they 209 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,879 disliked about kind of right wing Tory boys. So by playing up to the 210 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:50,159 toxic masculinity stereotype in a kind of performative way, Andrew Tate has also provided 211 00:15:50,679 --> 00:15:54,440 all the people that want to demonize masculinity with, you know, copious amounts 212 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,159 of ammunition. So even though he's sort of defending masculinity, he makes it 213 00:15:58,279 --> 00:16:03,279 easier for those who want to demonize it to do that because you know, 214 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,960 he's now been charged with sex trafficking, and he's different logistic things and the 215 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:12,960 rest of it. I think you're conflating different issues that there is. There 216 00:16:14,039 --> 00:16:17,120 is nothing that he's that he says, and when he goes on a podcast, 217 00:16:17,159 --> 00:16:18,960 I mean, I'm assuming that what he said on my podcast was not 218 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:23,039 dissimilar what he says on others. He talks absolute sense. There is nothing 219 00:16:23,679 --> 00:16:27,000 that I heard him say in our hour and a half chat together that I 220 00:16:27,039 --> 00:16:32,360 would have gone, oh, Andrew, you're pushing it a bit far this 221 00:16:32,519 --> 00:16:34,480 time. I'm embarrassed. I wouldn't want to be associate none at all. 222 00:16:34,519 --> 00:16:38,399 He's absolutely bang on the money. I think the problem with Andrew Tap is 223 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:45,240 that what he and this I agree with you on his behavior is very very 224 00:16:45,279 --> 00:16:49,240 dodgy, or of what I understand about it. His actual treatment of actual 225 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,240 women that's a different issue. But what he says is not. He's not 226 00:16:53,440 --> 00:17:00,120 He's not like some sort of Oxbridge Tory from the nineteen eighties trying to wind 227 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:04,559 up the enemy. He's absolutely he's right. Okay, so he's not so 228 00:17:04,599 --> 00:17:08,799 when he so, when he's sort of talking the talk, he's not trying 229 00:17:08,839 --> 00:17:12,480 to troll the Libs. He's just trying to make sense as best he can 230 00:17:12,559 --> 00:17:21,240 and sort of make a sort of conservative case for traditional gender roles. Normal. 231 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:26,039 But but but when he but in his behavior, he enables the kind 232 00:17:26,039 --> 00:17:32,079 of feminists to depict him as a typically toxic male. Yes, and I 233 00:17:32,079 --> 00:17:34,759 think he's I don't think he's the karag. I appreciate that distinction person personal 234 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:40,519 behavior. Yeah, anyway, whereas where the opposite, aren't we in in 235 00:17:40,519 --> 00:17:45,599 in when we when we talk the talk, we we we make ourselves see 236 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:51,880 much more villainous, much less virtuous than in private we really are in reality. 237 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:53,359 As you say, you know, like at the beginning of this show, 238 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,839 you said, don't don't don't don't admit that you actually do the cooking 239 00:17:59,039 --> 00:18:03,279 and do your shore of a household jewels, pretend to be a more toxic 240 00:18:03,319 --> 00:18:08,119 male than you really are. I'm ashamed. I'm ashamed of my of my 241 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:14,240 failure to be to be more manly. I believe absolutely everything I said. 242 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:18,960 Look, I think I think feminism, the feminist movement was was one of 243 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:26,519 the evils promoted by the enemy to undermine the family unit, to bring to 244 00:18:26,519 --> 00:18:30,240 to ensure that. Look, the powers that be, the Kabar whatever you 245 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,240 want to call them, that they're upfront about this. What they really wanted 246 00:18:33,319 --> 00:18:37,359 is to bring women into the tax base. And they funded the feminist movement 247 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:44,960 because they wanted to advance these sexy reasons why women should should become more liberated 248 00:18:45,079 --> 00:18:48,559 and and and have their own income and stuff. But it wasn't really about 249 00:18:48,599 --> 00:18:52,839 that. It was it was trying to exploit women financially through the tax system 250 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:56,680 and undermine the family, because which is what you do when you take women 251 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,160 out of out of the home and put them in the workplace. So so 252 00:19:00,279 --> 00:19:02,480 no, I'm not going to stick up for the feminism in any way, 253 00:19:02,519 --> 00:19:07,759 shape or form. But can't you be can't can't can't you can't you you 254 00:19:07,799 --> 00:19:11,759 know, be skeptical about some aspects of feminism. Presumably you don't think it's 255 00:19:11,799 --> 00:19:17,720 wrong that women have the vote, um, but but but no doubt there 256 00:19:17,759 --> 00:19:22,039 are some aspects of feminism you don't agree with. But can't you be skeptical 257 00:19:22,079 --> 00:19:27,240 about some of the some aspects of feminism and still want to be you know, 258 00:19:27,319 --> 00:19:32,400 a supportive and helpful husband who does his share of the household jaws does 259 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,960 his share of them. I think what people want to do, whether whether 260 00:19:36,519 --> 00:19:38,680 if a man wants to help out well, I mean a partromly else, 261 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,960 which is quite like doing the cooking. So I'm not sure that that's but 262 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,640 that should be a private issue. It's like it's like one's relationship with one's 263 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,119 wife, what one gets up into the bedroom I don't think anyone should know 264 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:55,839 about it. I think it's but you said earlier you were you were ashamed 265 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,079 about cooking meals for your family. No, no, no, I didn't 266 00:19:59,079 --> 00:20:03,480 say I shouldn't talk abou unashamed. Way now I'm not at all. I'm 267 00:20:03,519 --> 00:20:07,599 not ashamed about the cooking aspect, because I enjoy cooking. But no, 268 00:20:07,759 --> 00:20:11,480 I do wish what I said was I wish I was more of a manly 269 00:20:11,519 --> 00:20:15,759 man. For example, I wish I were one of those fathers that takes 270 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:19,000 no ship from his children, they would have done better. I think had 271 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,960 I been stricter, for example. But you think you mean, could you 272 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,359 have been stricter? I mean, you know, because I'm a victim of 273 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:33,079 feminized society aspect, but also probably it's not just It's not It's not just 274 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,880 that, is it. I mean, you know, children, um, 275 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:42,359 even the most manly men I think, might have difficulty ruling their families with 276 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:47,640 a rod of iron unless you're a kind of living in a kind of Hasidic 277 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:52,240 Jewish community, or I'd like to bruise them with ad of iron and break 278 00:20:52,319 --> 00:20:56,240 them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Frankly, I think that that should 279 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,960 be the deal. But there we are. I'm not sure it's even possible 280 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,480 to play that kind of role anymore, not just because we've changed, but 281 00:21:04,519 --> 00:21:08,839 because children have changed too, and particularly teenagers. Yeah, it's horrible they've 282 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:18,000 been I don't find mine too are anyways, So should we have an ad 283 00:21:18,079 --> 00:21:22,240 James? Yeah, I think we should. 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That's Express vpn dot com slash London, Express vpn 300 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:52,680 dot com slash London to learn more. So, I think since we last 301 00:22:52,720 --> 00:23:00,400 recorded, James Donald Trump has been indicted, yes, or into hated, 302 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,720 as he put it, I think on truth social m One thing I wondered 303 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,839 about him, you know, complaining that he'd been indicated and putting it in 304 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:15,240 caps, is that that that obviously immediately triggered an avalanche of kind of piss 305 00:23:15,319 --> 00:23:22,880 taking, kind like from the kind of educated global you know, the educated 306 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,960 elite. You know, what a what a reprehensible, deplorable man this is? 307 00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:30,839 He doesn't he can't, he can't even spell indicted when he puts it 308 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,400 in capital letters. Do you think he did that deliberately? Because when when 309 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:40,000 people pour scorn on him for being uneducated and vulgar and getting things wrong like 310 00:23:40,039 --> 00:23:45,079 that it actually just you know, it galvanizes his base. It doesn't make 311 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,559 him look ridiculous in there wise, it makes the people criticizing him look ridiculous. 312 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,960 It worked, didn't it. Do you remember the CoV fefe thing when 313 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:59,359 he tweeted out CoV fefe cv fefe and he made this nonsense word into a 314 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,799 word of words at the moment, and all the all the kind of or 315 00:24:02,839 --> 00:24:07,079 all the Trump paigers piled on and saying, what is this man talking about? 316 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,920 What is comfe? And it became this fashionably. It became like that 317 00:24:12,039 --> 00:24:17,519 gorilla, didn't it, harambe. It became a meme. It became a 318 00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:22,599 meme. And I think that Trump, after all, his his familiar is 319 00:24:22,599 --> 00:24:29,160 Pepper the frog, and I think Trump was the first, maybe the last 320 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,279 meme meme president, So he knows how to he knows how to work social 321 00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:37,319 media. So I'm sure it was deliberate. Yes, absolutely absolutely, And 322 00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:45,279 I think it's going to It's going to do his election campaign no harm, 323 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:53,200 apart from possibly the gagging order which is being presumably which which has has it 324 00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:56,400 been imposed or is it about to be imposed? It's been threatened with being 325 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,759 imposed by this, And I think we paid for Alvin Bragg. Yes, 326 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,480 And and one of the terms of the gagging order will be that if he 327 00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:08,160 breaks it, then he has to pay what one hundred thousand dollars fine or 328 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,279 something. So there was a thousand dollars and I was I was thinking, 329 00:25:11,599 --> 00:25:15,079 maybe I misread it, but I thought, how is he ever going to 330 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,559 find the money to pay a thousand dollars fine? So maybe it's not such 331 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:22,279 a big threat after all. But nevertheless, I do think it's bizarre that 332 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:30,559 the leading election candidate for the for the Republicans at the moment is being it's 333 00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:37,359 been threatened with gagging by kangaroo court for a something he may or may not 334 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,680 have done seven years ago. So beyond the statute of limitations and somehow this 335 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,720 I mean, but where, by the way, are you with me yet? 336 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,519 Do you do you still maintain that the presidential election was not stolen? 337 00:25:51,559 --> 00:25:55,119 Do you do you still maintain it was a legit or are you with me 338 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,440 that the whole thing stank? No? I don't think the whole thing stank. 339 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:02,319 I think there were some irregularities at the margin. I mean, is 340 00:26:02,319 --> 00:26:06,440 do you think Biden won legitimately? I think that, yeah, I think 341 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:11,440 he did attract the larger share of the popular vote. I think, and 342 00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:15,319 you genuine you genuinely believe that if somebody, if you were admissioned to if 343 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,000 you were going to burn the hell fire for line here you actually you're telling 344 00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:22,400 me, and you're in awesome territy. You don't think the election was stolen? 345 00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:25,359 Yeah, No, I don't think the election was stolen. Wow, 346 00:26:25,839 --> 00:26:29,559 okay, um, so so yeah, just to clarify what we were previously 347 00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:32,400 saying, I just googled it. Yeah, you're right. It's a thousand, 348 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,160 one thousand dollars fine if he breaks the gagging order, which hasn't yet 349 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,359 been imposed, plus up to thirty days in jail. So I imagine that 350 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:45,319 will that was there terry, Yeah, than the Crown ground. Fine, 351 00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:52,519 but yes, do you not think it's weird that you and I were brought 352 00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:56,680 up to believe that the American system that the miracles leader of the free world. 353 00:26:56,839 --> 00:27:03,359 We really we were amateurs compared to the Americans in terms of um, 354 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,400 they're having a constitution, you know, we're okay, so we had Magna 355 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,640 Carter, but they've got the found the founding father's they had that created this 356 00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:15,839 fantastic all these checks and balances, and America was a model for the free 357 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:21,279 world and democracy and stuff. And you're looking at this stuff now and you're 358 00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:25,440 thinking, hang on a second, So this, this kuangaroo court, bought 359 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:33,279 and paid for by George Sauros in one jurisdiction, can somehow indict or attempt 360 00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:41,680 to indict on this really trivial, trivial charge from seven years ago, that 361 00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:45,599 they can do this to the guy who is popular but at least one half 362 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:51,440 of America, and that this is somehow justice, this is legal. Are 363 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:56,920 you not starting to question whether America is not as as broken as I constantly 364 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:07,519 suggested it. Well, I never started out believing that America was completely uncorrupt 365 00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:14,480 and a kind of model liberal democracy. Um. I mean, it's it's 366 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,880 always thought it was a basket case to begin with. That there's always been, 367 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:23,759 you know, a gap between the aspirations of the founding fathers and American 368 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:29,119 democracy as it operates. Or they've built in a lot of safeguards, um 369 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,680 anticipating that you know it would be ye know that. I mean, I 370 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:40,039 think it's um but I think that that lawfairs nothing new, Um, you 371 00:28:40,079 --> 00:28:45,599 know, political this is unprecedented Toby have engaged the unprecedented. You can't saying 372 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,599 this is unprecedented, this has never happened before. That's what it means. 373 00:28:49,119 --> 00:28:56,240 Well, what a candidate has never been president? What is it that's never 374 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:02,119 happened before. Well, that an ex president has never been I don't think 375 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,519 indicted in this way that I'm not sure that's true. But there have certainly 376 00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:10,839 been, certainly been sitting presidents who've been indicted. So Bill Clinton was indicted. 377 00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:14,039 Okay, Well, whatever this is, this is the naked sabotage of 378 00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:17,880 the electoral process. I mean, in my view, they stole that that 379 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,920 they Biden stole the election, and now they're rubbing out phases in it. 380 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,079 But I say not that I particularly hold a countdal for Trump. By the 381 00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:29,279 way, it's not that. It's just more about the principles that you cannot 382 00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:34,680 you cannot in a local jurisdiction stop the guy who is leading the Republican campaign 383 00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:38,359 to become a president. You can't. You can't just dag him on the 384 00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:41,440 basis and something in mam and have done seven years ago. Surely this must 385 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,240 be making you think we'll hang on a second, this is wrong. Well, 386 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:51,960 that there was I mean, legal action being taken against presidents, vice 387 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,480 presidents, presidential candidates is not unprecedented. It's a feature, not a bug, 388 00:29:56,759 --> 00:30:00,440 of American democratic politics, and have been for at least two hundred years. 389 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:07,440 So I don't think we should get too over excited about this. I 390 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,799 mean, I remember reading, um, you know that the famous series of 391 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:21,359 biographies of U. LBJ. And when LBJ ascended to the presidency in nineteen 392 00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:26,720 sixty three, there were several cases pending against him, including I think a 393 00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:32,160 congressional investigation, and they were all dropped when he became president, partly in 394 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,200 the aftermath of Kennedy's assassination. No one wanted to tarnish the presidency anymore. 395 00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:41,960 So but then you know, there was coordinate Nixon Nixon. Nixon was being 396 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:48,119 prosecuted and had to be pardoned by Gerald Ford, his successor, Clinton was 397 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,559 indicted. There was an attempt to indict drump when he was the sitting president. 398 00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:57,440 So um, you know, this kind of this kind of law fare, 399 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:02,079 I think has long been a feature of American politics. And you know, 400 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,119 we don't yet know that the system has failed. It could be that 401 00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:11,519 he will be able to successfully fight this, um and he hasn't yet been 402 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,000 gagged. So it might be a bit quick to kind of write off American 403 00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:21,039 democracy because of this kind of unprecedented use of law fair by this particular what 404 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,319 by the New York Attorney General. I don't think that's um, you know, 405 00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:29,160 it's it's it's, it's it's I don't think it will serve the Democrat's 406 00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:33,519 purpose. I don't think it will damage Trump's candidacy and may even have sealed 407 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,240 his nomination for him. I don't think. I don't think it's a new 408 00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:44,000 low. According to the Simpson Well, that's because the base is so low, 409 00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:49,480 not because not because hitherto American democracy has been in the last three years, 410 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,799 has been a paragon that we should all admire. But um, Simpsons 411 00:31:55,079 --> 00:32:00,400 last two hundred, of course, predicted Trump's first presidency. I think also 412 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:06,480 predicted that Trump would come back in um in twenty twenty four. And I 413 00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:08,960 think that Matt Greening I read this somewhere. Can it be true that Matt 414 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:15,240 Greening is a thirty third degree freemason so he'd know, is it? What 415 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,319 can it be that? Yeah? I read it. I mean, obviously 416 00:32:20,519 --> 00:32:23,960 people who are who are reached thirty third degree are quite a quite reticent about 417 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,160 having reached that level. But yes, I think it could be that he 418 00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:30,039 is a member of the luminati, so he would know where of he speaks. 419 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:37,640 So this is a well that's the sort of odd of reasoning. Um, 420 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,240 well, I don't know, I mean, I mean, the Simpsons 421 00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:46,359 does seem to have remarkable prescience and predicted powers. Doesn't It's probably predated like 422 00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:52,799 like like presumably like kind of those you know, m fortune tellers who stand 423 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:58,880 up before large audiences. They create the impression of having these predicted powers because 424 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,000 they throw out a kind of huge number of predictions, and when some come 425 00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:05,759 true, even though the vast majority don't, they say, see see, 426 00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:09,079 I could only think the symptoms is predicted that you're going to be president, 427 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:14,920 or Justin Bieber's going to be president, or but it definitely definitely did predict 428 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,880 that Trump was going to be president, which at the time seemed outlandish. 429 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,359 Was a prediction or was it just intended to be a kind of sata I 430 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,960 think I think it was. There was a news item where where from the 431 00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:29,279 future or something, but that was that that presumably was just intended as satire, 432 00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:31,319 not as a prediction, but that's the point that that's that's what I'm 433 00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:35,480 saying, that that that what what we thought of that at the time as 434 00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:38,519 satire then became true. But I expect that also, But I don't think 435 00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:42,440 that. But yeah, but I don't suppose the people who who created that 436 00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:45,200 episode of the Symptoms thought it would come true. They thought they were that's 437 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:51,519 your theory, comical point a point, that's your theory. America couldn't be 438 00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:53,039 quite that bad. They probably thought, you know, this is this is 439 00:33:53,079 --> 00:33:57,440 our kind of dystopian vision of America's future, which they I don't imagine they 440 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,079 thought would actually come to pass. So we already Dan, we'll understand how 441 00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:04,200 the Simpsons work, but all understands that it is is joky sat up. 442 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,199 But at the same time, I'm afraid to say that there was any number 443 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:14,599 of people that the that the Simpsons could mockingly have suggested it might become presidents 444 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,519 in the future, and the fact is that spookily then they are lighted on 445 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:22,440 Donald Trump. Yeah, well, I'm just going to rupt you here, 446 00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:24,440 James. We have to do one more ad, so I think it's your 447 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:30,159 turn. 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But but but you 470 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:22,440 did you occasionally kind of introduced very you sort of at one point it sound 471 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,360 almost I think he accused you of trying to trip him up and ask him 472 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,639 trick questions. So at one point he said he'd been to an island called 473 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,639 Skull Island, and it was it was it was such a remote place that 474 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,199 more people had set foot on the Moon than on Skull Island. And you 475 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,079 immediately picked him up on that, because of course you don't believe the moon 476 00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:43,000 landing was real, and um, and there was another into it. There 477 00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:46,280 was another episode like that too, in which he I think he referred to 478 00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:51,280 dinosaurs, um, and you picked him up on that too and said, 479 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,320 but of course dinosaurs were a hoax, they're not real. And at one 480 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:58,239 point you started talking about the Lost City of Atlantis as if that was an 481 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,159 indisputable acts and so forth. I mean, it was just but in a 482 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:07,079 sort of slightly jokey way, and the audience was laughing, and he was 483 00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:13,679 laughing too, And I couldn't tell whether you actually believe these things or whether 484 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,079 you were kind of slightly satirizing yourself. And you don't quite believe them, 485 00:37:17,159 --> 00:37:21,960 but you're willing to kind of entertain them because you don't like people who do 486 00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:24,320 believe them being demonized as conspiracy theories. I mean, I couldn't quite work 487 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:30,320 out, couldn't quite read how chronic you were being, or how look okay, 488 00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:34,280 so let me ask you a question before I answer this one, which 489 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:40,079 is I was looking at my wife's copy of the paper I used to write 490 00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:44,360 for the Telegraph the other day, and I can't bear to look at accept, 491 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:49,119 you know, with utter contempt. And there was a feature on this 492 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,800 new exhibit. Have you seen this at the Natural History Museum. It's called 493 00:37:54,159 --> 00:38:00,239 something like tighten the saur or even bigger saurus or something, and it's it's 494 00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:07,679 they had a previous they had a previous dinosaur which was called Dippy, I 495 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,320 think, And they've got rid of Dippy. He's no longer fit for purpose. 496 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:17,239 And they've got enormal enormal titana saw and they've got somebody from the paleontology 497 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:22,559 department saying, yeah, it's amazing. This is the biggest dinosaur that's ever 498 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,920 been, that we've ever had in the museum. And it's got this, 499 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:30,519 it's got this. It's like it's designed to be kind of impressive and yet 500 00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:35,119 not scary at the same time. It's got this sort of big but kind 501 00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:38,599 of friendly mouth. And you've got all this information about how big its heart 502 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,320 was and how long it is, and lots of arrows showing how long it 503 00:38:43,519 --> 00:38:46,039 is. Do you believe any of this stuff? Do you you think this, 504 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:51,480 this, this enormous beast really stalked the earth? Do you believe that 505 00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:53,320 when you read that? Why would they be lying to us about it? 506 00:38:54,119 --> 00:39:00,599 Um? Oh, that's a really interesting question. I would say that if 507 00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:04,559 you look back into the by the way, this is not I'm desperate to 508 00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:07,639 find somebody to do me a proper podcast on this. So this is a 509 00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:15,000 fairly rudimentary understanding of why dinosaurs or bullocks. But what it comes down to 510 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:20,639 is that these these dinosaurs, which you imagine on a the results of loads 511 00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:25,920 and loads of bones found in in tar pits and so on, or in 512 00:39:27,039 --> 00:39:32,519 Patagonia or whatever, and they've all been pieced together and to form these huge, 513 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,440 huge beasts, but they're not. They found a few bones and the 514 00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:45,960 rest are just kind of imaginative reconstructions based on the paleontologists fantasists idea about what 515 00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:52,760 the dinosaur might have been if only we'd found more than one tooth, And 516 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:57,159 I'm just not buying it, particularly when you look into the history of dinosaurs 517 00:39:57,159 --> 00:40:04,000 and you see that there were these two sort of Barnum style showman dinosaur collectors 518 00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:08,000 who sent teams around the world looking for looking for dinosaur bones, and they 519 00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:12,599 were the ones who kind of competed to name new new specimens. So now 520 00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:17,239 I think that I'm not certain that dinosaurs are completely made up, but I 521 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:24,119 have a strong suspicion that pretty much every specimen we see in natural history museums 522 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:31,800 are are there for to draw kids in um, to promote evolutionary theory, 523 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:37,760 but really have no basis in historical fact. Couldn't they promote the theory of 524 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:43,320 evolution without invoking dinosaurs? Wouldn't they just they? Probably they probably could, 525 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:49,760 but the two but evolutionary theory came about about the same time. So no, 526 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,719 I think I think probably those questions a bandwagon. But the answer my 527 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,719 question is there is there is? There is? There isn't a kind of 528 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:06,679 ironic dimension when you refer in a kind of offhand way to these various conspiracy 529 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:13,840 theories. Um And referred to Matt Gronigg as being a thirty third degree freemason 530 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,719 and therefore a member of the Illuminati, and therefore I don't know for certain 531 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:21,000 that's true, but it's something I read and it seems to be possible. 532 00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:25,280 Yeah, I am definitely an out Dyno skeptic. Okay, so I'm probably 533 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:30,599 not going to be in Tom Holland's Christmas card list anymore because as you know, 534 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,519 as you know, our friend Tom Holland loves dinosaurs. He thinks they're 535 00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:38,599 fantastic, like the best thing ever. He's probably got dinosaur pajamas. Um 536 00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:45,599 kim trails, yes, obviously, but but they're disguised that they're disguised as 537 00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:51,199 whether as whether they seldom as the weather modification, right, Okay, I 538 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,239 mean one, I guess one one one one reason when I was watching UM 539 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,480 you and Neil Oliver talking to each other on stage, a lot of it 540 00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:07,400 was devoted to what's happened over the past three years, pandemic response, vaccine 541 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,840 rollout, et cetera. And I guess one thought that struck me was if 542 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:20,559 you're if you're trying to persuade people not to take the mr NA vaccines because 543 00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:23,400 you believe that they're going to be harmful, and you're trying to persuade people 544 00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:32,719 to wake up because they've been victims of a kind of big farmer conspiracy. 545 00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:40,360 Why why invoke you know all these other conspiracy theories? Aren't you Are you 546 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,840 going to lead people? I mean, my worry would be that you're going 547 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:50,039 to undermine your own credibility. People might be a little bit skeptical about, 548 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,880 you know, the safety and efficacy of the mRNA vaccines. They might be 549 00:42:53,960 --> 00:43:00,960 on the cusp of becoming mRNA vaccine skeptics. But if you then tell them 550 00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:04,519 that you believe all these other conspiracy theories, isn't that going to undermine your 551 00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:08,239 credibility and make them kind of makes you take their distance. I get this 552 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:15,719 all the time from people on your side of the argument, and I'll say 553 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,719 to you what I always say, which is, I'm only really interested. 554 00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:23,440 The only thing that matters to me is the truth, regardless of whether it 555 00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:30,400 makes me look crazy, regardless of whether it's unpalatable. I think if you 556 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:35,679 don't make the truth your watch word, you end up like utobes. That 557 00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:42,280 I suspect, and perhaps this is unfair of me. I suspect that you 558 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,840 self censor. That you are you are. You are determined to preserve your 559 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:55,519 place in the mainstream medium by never straying outside the Overton window, the Overton 560 00:43:55,639 --> 00:44:00,920 window being the sort of the acceptable bounds of discoorse. So would never question, 561 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:05,239 for example, whether or not nine to eleven was planned by a man 562 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,639 in the cave. You wouldn't go there. You would never You would never 563 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:14,719 question the moon landings because it wouldn't be it wouldn't be an article that you 564 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:22,159 could write in the newspapers. You would never look at vaccine injuries and the 565 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,920 extent thereof until it became politically palatable to do so. I mean, you 566 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,559 know it would be you wouldn't want to be out on a limb like Andrew 567 00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:34,800 Bridging. But if people like Jacob rees mug started talking about vaccine injury, 568 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,360 then suddenly you'd be going, Yes, it seems that vaccine injury is real 569 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,840 and it's a terrible thing. So I don't can. I personally do not 570 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:47,400 care whether I am laughed at by people on your side of the argument. 571 00:44:47,639 --> 00:44:52,079 The only thing I care about is the truth. So if I don't know 572 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,519 something like if I don't know whether or not Matt Greening is a thirty third 573 00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:59,519 degree freemason, I'll say, well, I read this on the internet, 574 00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:02,440 but I'm not sure. But I wouldn't say I wouldn't. I wouldn't bet 575 00:45:02,559 --> 00:45:07,559 my life on it. Okay, the same with dinosaurs. I don't believe. 576 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:13,519 I think they are a made up thing. I'm happy to be proved 577 00:45:13,559 --> 00:45:15,400 wrong. But as far as I understand at the moment, I think dinosaurs 578 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:22,480 are made up crap. Okay, so you've you've ascribed mercenary motives to me? 579 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,320 Not well not, I mean I could have been worse. I could 580 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:34,480 have been paid for it anyway. Um, I mean I guess I could 581 00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:37,039 throw back, throw that back at you and say, you know, one 582 00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:43,440 suspicion that I haven't quite been able to put to bed is that actually you 583 00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:49,679 don't really believe all these things. You say you're you're only interested in the 584 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,519 truth, but you haven't actually bothered to drill down too deeply into many of 585 00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:58,960 these conspiracy theories. You believe it because you read it. Hold on, 586 00:45:59,079 --> 00:46:02,320 hold on. It's sounds like you know, one suspicion, James, which 587 00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:07,079 which may which may may be groundless. But one suspicion Um I have is 588 00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:15,800 that you know that your livelihood now depends upon being given money selling tickets to 589 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,880 people who believe in these conspiracy theories. So if you to challenge any of 590 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,719 them would be to jeopardize some of what is now. That's quote quit Toby, 591 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:29,079 that is that is a rhetorical fallacy where you're accused the person the accused 592 00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:32,039 is something that they've accused you of, and it's tipotat and it's fine. 593 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:37,519 Look, I really don't care whether you think that I am I am saying 594 00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:40,280 that stuff in bad faith. I know that all the people who support me 595 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:46,840 um believe that the reason that they listen to my podcasts and stuff is because 596 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:52,079 they know I'm absolutely a listeners to right up. They don't think I'm prepared 597 00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:57,400 to accept that you do believe all these things in good faith, not because 598 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,800 you have a an ulterium note of for professing you'll believe in them. But 599 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:06,119 can you extend the same courtesy to me? Well, no, because it's 600 00:47:06,199 --> 00:47:10,320 it's it's a different kettle of fish that that I am constantly possible. I 601 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:15,360 called you out on this the other day that it seems to me that the 602 00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:19,280 right areas you will not go. It seems to me that the for example, 603 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,199 I mean, where are you or Kennedy James James. The reason I 604 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,079 haven't when you say one of the areas you identified a few seconds ago that 605 00:47:25,159 --> 00:47:30,760 I'm unwilling to go is the idea that the moon landings were faked. The 606 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,159 reason I don't go there is not because I'm worried about, um, you 607 00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,519 know, being excluded from the mainstream media, which I was long excluded from 608 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,639 anyway. No, the reason I don't go there because I don't think it's 609 00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:45,199 true, and I think you should extend that courtesy to me, just as 610 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:50,400 I will extend to you the courtesy believing the moon landings were faked I'm prepared 611 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,760 to believe that you think it's since you believe that's sincerely, yeah, that 612 00:47:55,679 --> 00:48:00,679 I remember. I remember the many years when I was part of the mainstream 613 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:07,679 narrative um. And this is why I'm always going to give you the benefit 614 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,480 of the doubt, because I was like you once. Which is that, 615 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:17,119 Which is why I didn't accuse you of having essentially being bought and paid for. 616 00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:21,760 Although you know, people people are asking me this all the time, 617 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,480 They say, well, why is Toby? Why why is Toby so determined 618 00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:28,559 to take a line not done akin to the governments? You know, he 619 00:48:28,639 --> 00:48:31,719 poses as a skeptic, but he seems very reluctant to going hard about vaccine 620 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,800 damage and stuff. And he seems very hard despite the massive accumulation of evidence 621 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:42,199 to suggest that this wasn't a various plot. He seems always he's always reluctant 622 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,599 to go there. It's always always pulling back. Why is this? And 623 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:51,719 I say, I think it's this is I do? And why challengeable exclamation 624 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,480 for this is that you are not even aware that your your self censoring. 625 00:48:55,559 --> 00:49:00,360 You aren't You just have, as so many journalists have a conscious, a 626 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:06,719 subconscious awareness of where the limits of the Overton window lies, so you would 627 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,599 you would you would never do what you would consider to be a waste of 628 00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:13,599 time looking into nine to eleven, or looking into the moon landings, or 629 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,320 or looking into for example. I think this is about the fifth or sixth 630 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:24,199 time on this show I've mentioned event two O one. You've never shown any 631 00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,159 interesting You've never gone well, hang on a second. Isn't it weird that 632 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,119 JOHNS Hopkins was war Game in the pandemic scenario a year before it happened on 633 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:37,920 Online's remarkably similar to the ones that were war Game by John Hopkins. You've 634 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:43,320 never You've never gone down that one because I think that your your internal self 635 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,639 censor. I said that that's too conspiracy theory crazy. I don't want to 636 00:49:47,679 --> 00:49:52,599 go there. Well, I think you've got a slightly odd idea. I 637 00:49:52,679 --> 00:49:59,840 think of where the Overton window is. I'm way outside the Overton window. 638 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,880 I'm just not as far outside it as you, but I'm still outside it. 639 00:50:02,039 --> 00:50:07,599 So I don't think you can ascribe my not wanting to discuss event two 640 00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:10,159 O one to wanting to remain within the Overton window. You're still saying it's 641 00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:14,920 up not conspiracy. When I thine overwhelmed. The evidence shows that it was 642 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:20,000 a conspiracy. Well that's as maybe, But I'm I'm way outside. I 643 00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:22,079 mean, I know we disagree on that, but I'm still I mean, 644 00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,519 I think you you, you, you've got a very odd idea. I 645 00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:31,159 think of where the Overton window sits on on on the government's pandemic response in 646 00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:37,800 almost every regard, I'm way outside the Overton window. Well, I don't 647 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:43,639 know vaccines, when the vaccines were necessary for certain groups of people. Even 648 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,199 now you're saying this, right, the window, the Overton window is that 649 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,000 everyone benefits from the vaccines. Is that is outside the Overton window. Didn't 650 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,599 you even grasp this? It's up the cock up. It hasn't moved to 651 00:50:54,760 --> 00:51:00,559 encompass my position yet. The cock up theory is outside the Overton window because 652 00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:06,159 that suggests that what's gone wrong requires an explanation, and most people don't think 653 00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:09,480 anything went wrong. Most people would you still think the government pandemic response was 654 00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:14,440 right? So cock up or conspiracy, either way, you're outside the Overton 655 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,960 window. Would you say that the telegraph, the day telegraph, which is 656 00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:22,719 which is a broadsheet newspaper. Would you say that that is within the Overton 657 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:27,079 window. I think there. I think they're I think they're on the on 658 00:51:27,199 --> 00:51:31,280 the edge of the Overton window on some establishment as they are about as mainstream 659 00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:37,079 as you can get. And they made great, great play of these these 660 00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:42,599 Matt Hancock, the Matt Hancock story, which was all about how, oh, 661 00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,199 look, it's all the fault of this of this minister. So that 662 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:50,039 was that was cock up theory in ex chelsis being promoted by a national newspaper. 663 00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:52,360 I think if if days on end, if if if you think that, 664 00:51:55,039 --> 00:52:01,320 if you mean I think that, if you think that the things the 665 00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:07,199 government got wrong can be explained by cock up the premises the government got a 666 00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:12,079 lot of things wrong. Now that is not the mainstream view. That is 667 00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:15,039 not a view I don't think which sits within the Overton window, at least 668 00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:17,440 the things we things I think the government got wrong and are not things that 669 00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:21,800 most people within the Overton window I think the government got wrong. They agree 670 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,840 that the government screwed up in some ways, but they think that overall the 671 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:29,800 lockdown policy was right probably one, two and three, and the rollout of 672 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,840 the vaccines was what got us out of it, and so on and so 673 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:37,920 forth. So I don't see how in the Telegraph. I think, you 674 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,079 know. I think what you haven't realized, James, or I don't know, 675 00:52:42,039 --> 00:52:50,079 is that there is a kind of broad liberal consensus represented by the BBC, 676 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,039 by Sky News, by ITV, by newspapers like The Independent and the 677 00:52:54,159 --> 00:53:00,079 Guardian, by radio stations like LBC BBC Radio four. That's the Overton window. 678 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,760 And if you, if you are a conservative, even quite a mainstream 679 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,960 conservative, now you're outside the Overton window. If you think that women can't 680 00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:14,639 have penises, you're outside the Overton window. The Overton window is much narrower 681 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,400 and much further to the left. And I think you've grasped the Telegraph is 682 00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:22,760 not really firmly within that Overton window. The Telegraph is an outlier, and 683 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:27,880 in some respects it's outside the Overton window. I well, I think the 684 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,440 only acid that matters because I'm not buying into the cultural war nonsense. I 685 00:53:31,559 --> 00:53:39,039 think that the culture wars are a distraction designed to enable supposed edgy right wing 686 00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:44,679 commentators to shirt their duties by saying, look, I'm not going to I'm 687 00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:49,000 not going to talk about the vaccine rollout, that the vaccine that I'm not 688 00:53:49,039 --> 00:53:53,440 going to talk about that your government forcing you to take this experimental therapy because 689 00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:59,360 I'm fighting the pronoun wars and I'm fighting you know, it's like other stuff. 690 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,599 I haven't got time to do all this. So where that fits in 691 00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:05,960 the overtoed window, I don't know. But what I do know is that 692 00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:09,360 all the newspapers, the entirety of the mainstream media, they're all the print 693 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:14,440 media, and a lot of alternative media as well, basically pushed the government 694 00:54:14,519 --> 00:54:19,039 that the same line as the government, which was that lockdowns were Oh, 695 00:54:19,119 --> 00:54:23,360 well, you've got you've got people like you, people who are sort of 696 00:54:24,039 --> 00:54:30,320 you know, conservative talking point communists. Yes, you're all allowed to say 697 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,199 that lockdowns are a bad idea. Now. That's that's that's allowed, although 698 00:54:32,199 --> 00:54:35,840 it wasn't for about two years, but you could. That is definitely been 699 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,599 in the ovided window. You're not yet allowed to say because I see this 700 00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:44,039 and all the all the newspapers, you're not you're not less. You're allowed 701 00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:49,159 to say that that these experimental medical treatment should never have been forced on the 702 00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,960 populace by the government, that especially not on children, That women have been 703 00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:57,840 sterilized by this staff, that the the this is, this is an outrage. 704 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,599 This is probably the biggest war by governments ever conducted on their on their 705 00:55:01,639 --> 00:55:06,960 populace around the world. It's extraordinary that they forced us to do this stuff, 706 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,559 and that we had to We had to come up with all kinds of 707 00:55:08,679 --> 00:55:14,280 excuses in order not to get vaccinated those of them who who wanted to resist 708 00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:20,719 it. So yes, I'm saying that that there are things you're allowed to 709 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,599 say, which which are lightly critical, which which are within the ovisial window, 710 00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:29,840 but still not not there, not where I am. That's true, 711 00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,639 it's not where you are, but you're I'm way outside the way i'd say, 712 00:55:32,639 --> 00:55:37,159 I'd say you're still you're still safing within it. No, I'm definitely 713 00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:39,639 within that cozy frame. But I think I think it. I think it. 714 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:45,519 I think it is important if we we've discussed before that, as as 715 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:52,599 documented in the National Review, one of the um virtues of this podcast is 716 00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:59,480 that we to a certain extent, model how to disagree in a good humored 717 00:55:59,559 --> 00:56:07,360 way about whether all the plava and upheaval of the last three years is a 718 00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:13,079 conspiracy or a cock up. And that is the and it's important to model 719 00:56:13,559 --> 00:56:17,199 good humored disagreement about that particular issue, because it's an issue that's dividing people, 720 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,320 certainly on the right the world over, even to the extent of dividing 721 00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:29,679 families couples. But I think if we are going to continue to play that 722 00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:37,440 useful social role, we ought to credit each other with believing in our respective 723 00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,760 points of view in good faith because we believe them to be true, not 724 00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:46,960 because we want to maintain our respectability or our income streams, or because we 725 00:56:47,199 --> 00:56:52,000 perceive our positions as being inside or outside the Overton window and we're competing for 726 00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:57,880 who can be more rebellious. I think we have to just accept that each 727 00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,559 other's positions are held in good faith. We disagree, but we disagree about 728 00:57:01,599 --> 00:57:06,400 what we think is true, and that's because we, you know, we 729 00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:10,159 read the world slightly differently. But it's you must think I have a memory, 730 00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:15,239 Toby, Why you must think that my memory won't stretch stretch back as 731 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:22,239 far as last week's episode when you diagnosed my position as a product of mental 732 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:28,320 illness, which, by the way, is what if you've ever studied the 733 00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:34,960 Soviet Union under Stalin or Germany under hit though, is what the regime did 734 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,360 to discredit dissidence. One of the things the person they do to sign ups, 735 00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:44,760 that would be to accuse them of being mentally ill. So a pretty 736 00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,599 speech, pretty lecture. But I think if you're going to make these little 737 00:57:47,639 --> 00:57:52,039 homilis, you ought to at least be prepared to live by them every week 738 00:57:52,199 --> 00:57:54,400 rather than just whatever week it seems to you. I think I did. 739 00:57:54,480 --> 00:58:00,880 That was sort of intended slightly humorously, James, it was throw bard in. 740 00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:05,639 It was it was like, I think a lot of people listening were 741 00:58:05,679 --> 00:58:08,159 wondering where on earth it came from, because it wasn't a sort of natural 742 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:15,159 It didn't smoothly introduce a new topic. It was just like almost like you 743 00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,239 decided an advance this is what you were going to do to discredit me. 744 00:58:17,519 --> 00:58:20,880 So no, it wasn't. It was, No, it was I think 745 00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,800 it was. I think I think it had occurred to me as something we 746 00:58:23,199 --> 00:58:27,639 could talk about in the episode, but not in order to discredit you. 747 00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,639 I just wanted to run that theory up the flagpole. But it was, 748 00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:32,199 you know, like like many of the things, like many of the theories 749 00:58:34,519 --> 00:58:43,960 intended packs and be careful and we'll try and avoid upsetting the horses. Okay, 750 00:58:44,119 --> 00:58:49,599 listen, let's hear from our next sponsor. This is for an ad 751 00:58:49,639 --> 00:58:53,320 for The Jasmine Sorry, a political thriller by Philip Tucker. As a former 752 00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:59,480 counter terrorism officer serving in Asia, Somerset based author Philip Tucker has used his 753 00:58:59,559 --> 00:59:04,000 experience for the basis of his second novel, The Jasmine Sory, available now 754 00:59:04,159 --> 00:59:07,960 on Amazon. With over thirty years as a detective and counter terrorism consultant, 755 00:59:08,199 --> 00:59:14,559 Philip injects a police perspective into this terrorism thriller. 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So the premise of sixty five. Actually went and 773 01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,559 saw it yesterday in the cinema, first time I've been to the cinema I 774 01:00:35,639 --> 01:00:43,119 think all year. The premise of sixty five is that this astronaut is flying 775 01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:50,440 across space in a cryogenic suspension because they're going a long distance, and they 776 01:00:50,719 --> 01:00:58,079 enter an undocumented asteroid belt and asteroids damage the spaceship. He is woken up 777 01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:02,199 with a jolt from cry gen suspension, manages to crash land the ship on 778 01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:07,960 a planet and it turns out that he is from the distant past and a 779 01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:15,280 wholly different civilization, and he has landed on planet Earth six sixty five million 780 01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:21,559 years BC or sixty five million years ago, when dinosaurs still roam the Earth, 781 01:01:21,599 --> 01:01:25,679 and he has to do battle dinosaurs. And there's also a little girl 782 01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:29,800 has also survived the crash, and he has to kind of protect her and 783 01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:34,239 get them both off the planet before an asteroid strikes. And it's the asteroid 784 01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:38,320 that wiped out the dinosaurs. So that's the premise and how it was. 785 01:01:39,239 --> 01:01:42,800 It was. It was actually not bad and only got sort of like I 786 01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,559 think, something like like forty or something on Rotten Tomatoes, possibly even less. 787 01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,760 But I thought it was one of those movies that does badly with the 788 01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,960 critics but gets a very high audience score. So our own kind of adaptation 789 01:01:53,039 --> 01:01:57,480 of the tomato meter would suggest that it's a movie well worth seeing. And 790 01:01:57,519 --> 01:02:00,079 I thought it was quite fun. I'm not sure it's worth a trip to 791 01:02:00,159 --> 01:02:05,559 the cinema, but certainly worth watching. When it becomes available on a streaming 792 01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:07,320 platforms, you can watch it at home. It was quite entertaining, not 793 01:02:07,519 --> 01:02:14,199 very ambitious, starring Adam Driver um and um you know, there was some 794 01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,800 there was some reasonably good suspense, suspense sequences in it. The action is 795 01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:22,639 reasonably well choreographed. I mean, you know, a light diverting form of 796 01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:28,840 entertainment on a rainy Sunday afternoon. So two lies dinosaurs and space. It's 797 01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:36,519 like, yeah, dinosaurs, It's like yeah, yeah, yeah. Have 798 01:02:36,679 --> 01:02:38,960 you have you seen Have you watched Succession yet? Yeah? I did. 799 01:02:39,039 --> 01:02:42,119 I see the first episode of Succession. I thought it was. I thought 800 01:02:42,119 --> 01:02:46,159 it was pretty good. Um, I mean, it's the standard. The 801 01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:52,199 quality is consistently high. Um, and yeah, I watched it the day 802 01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,400 after we recorded our last episode of Blood and Calling. I thought it was 803 01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:58,079 I thought it was pretty good. I mean, I think they're they're struggling, 804 01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:01,000 as we discussed I think before to sustain the premise that you know, 805 01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:07,880 um, that that that that the kind of patriarch at the head of the 806 01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:12,480 family business is about to expire, and so there is a kind of succession 807 01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:16,840 crisis as his children battle it out between them to see who gets the throne. 808 01:03:17,519 --> 01:03:21,280 They've kind of that that then that we're now into sort of this fourth 809 01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,559 season in which Brian Cox is still sort of in the process of dying and 810 01:03:24,639 --> 01:03:30,480 actually he seems more vigorous than ever. But but but it's still it's still 811 01:03:30,679 --> 01:03:34,400 very and I can see why they can't sustain it now beyond the four seasons, 812 01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,159 because presumably at some point he just does have to kick his clocks. 813 01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:38,800 Do you think there'll be a winner at the end of this season? Do 814 01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:43,639 you think one of the one of the pretenders to the throne will actually succeed 815 01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,559 to the throne in the final episode? And will it be? It's difficult. 816 01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:52,880 It's difficult, um. I mean, all these writers want to keep 817 01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:58,440 the doors opened there for a possible sequel, and I suppose that they're going 818 01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:02,360 to have to kill off Logan Roy because Brian Cox doesn't want to play anymore 819 01:04:04,199 --> 01:04:08,920 unless they have in one a kind of life support machine or something and just 820 01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,840 you know, yeah, and see how they can keep my eye. Um, 821 01:04:13,639 --> 01:04:17,719 but I don't know. The characters are too good too. I mean, 822 01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:25,079 I could happily see a spin off series with with Greg and Tom that 823 01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:30,679 would just be so good. Um what would what would potulbarly? Greg won't 824 01:04:30,719 --> 01:04:34,119 be working for j Star or whatever it's called. Um what what? What? 825 01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,920 What would he be doing in the spinoffs? It would he be working 826 01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:44,360 as a kind of concierge and a sort of white lotus. Like people tell 827 01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,159 me that better call Saul is they actually prefer it to Breaking Back, But 828 01:04:47,519 --> 01:04:50,559 I could never quite get on with the sort of the whimsical tone of it. 829 01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:56,400 Yeah, and perhaps and the House of Dragons I don't think is a 830 01:04:56,519 --> 01:05:00,199 patch on Game of Thrones. I think I think that that think. I 831 01:05:00,239 --> 01:05:05,199 think the bedical Saul. The gap between Breaking Broad and bedical Soul is smaller 832 01:05:05,519 --> 01:05:09,639 than the gap in quality between Game of Thrones and House of Dragons. So 833 01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:13,239 yeah, it's always risky making it making Also, if you had the Greg 834 01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,079 and Tom show, that the reason we love Greg and Tom is that they 835 01:05:16,119 --> 01:05:20,159 are the comic relief after the serious stuff. But if they were holding up 836 01:05:20,159 --> 01:05:21,920 a show on their own, it would be a bit It would be a 837 01:05:23,079 --> 01:05:27,760 night might tedious to be just an out and out sitcom. But to make 838 01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,079 a prequel, it would be a prequel about, you know, the rise 839 01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:33,920 of Logan Roy starting out in the slums of Glasgow. It would, But 840 01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:39,480 then I think that the dialogue wouldn't be as good because one of the joys 841 01:05:39,559 --> 01:05:46,000 about about Jesse Armstrong's dialogue is it's kind of postmodern and internet age and stuff, 842 01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:50,360 and I'm not sure you could have characters talking in quite the same snappy 843 01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:58,280 way in a in a kind of the early years of in a Glaswegian tenement. 844 01:05:58,679 --> 01:06:00,639 Yeah, exactly, tell me, do you do you don't remember how 845 01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:04,239 we started out. I think our first podcast, one of our early ones, 846 01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:12,840 was our Thrones cast thing where every week we'd appall more experienced, knowledgeable 847 01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,800 viewers by how little we understood the characters or their names or any of the 848 01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:19,480 things that happen or anything of significance. Yeah. Do you not find that 849 01:06:19,639 --> 01:06:26,599 slightly with the business element of succession, I haven't a clue who is bidding 850 01:06:26,639 --> 01:06:30,719 for what or from where. And I'm not even sure that Jesse Armstrong is 851 01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:32,400 either. I think he's much more interested in in the kind of the nightclub 852 01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:36,039 scenes in the locations and they're getting in and out of helicopters. I don't 853 01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:41,920 think he really cares about I get the impression that they've done a bit of 854 01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:46,800 research and have got the detail of kind of you know, that kind of 855 01:06:47,679 --> 01:06:51,239 high sort of high end business world, right. I don't just mean all 856 01:06:51,239 --> 01:06:55,400 the kind of social details. I mean, you know the details of the 857 01:06:55,519 --> 01:06:58,960 deals and the kinds of things that they kind of fall out over. The 858 01:06:59,079 --> 01:07:03,920 person who who wrote the kind of play about Enron is now a you know, 859 01:07:04,119 --> 01:07:08,360 a sort of writer on succession, and I imagine partly got hired in 860 01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:12,679 order to get that kind of Probably it still goes out in my head. 861 01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,239 Um, yeah, yeah, I mean it's sort of it's always it's always 862 01:07:16,239 --> 01:07:19,039 a bit silly and perhaps the least credible aspect, I suppose, you know, 863 01:07:19,079 --> 01:07:23,519 and and and because but that doesn't matter terribly because you don't care that 864 01:07:23,639 --> 01:07:26,519 much about it. You know that, you know, nothing's really going to 865 01:07:26,599 --> 01:07:29,400 happen. They're going to carry on being the owners of Logan Roy is going 866 01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:31,039 to carry on being the owner, and he's never going to sell it, 867 01:07:31,199 --> 01:07:34,239 and the kids are never going to get their hands on it. I mean, 868 01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:36,360 but but I think, I mean, I'm going to make a prediction. 869 01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:40,519 I do think that at the end of season, I do think it'll 870 01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:44,199 have an ending, and I think the ending will be the death of Logan 871 01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,960 Roy. And I think his successor is likely to be amongst his children, 872 01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:51,000 and I think it's likeliest to be Roman. Roman seems to be emerging because 873 01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:55,199 he's keis the one with the kind of biggest arc, isn't he At the 874 01:07:55,360 --> 01:08:00,000 very beginning he was kind of an absolute fool and dismissed by his brother, 875 01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:04,239 his sort of more serious brother and sister than not the presidential game about is 876 01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:10,360 an absolute holy fool. But but he's becoming kind of shrewder and seemingly a 877 01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:14,280 little bit more business savvy as the as the as the, so he could 878 01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,600 end up inheriting the crown. I think you mean Chekhov's sensible remark, because 879 01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:21,159 he did make a sensible remark in the first episode, and that could that 880 01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:26,640 could be the clue that we're getting right. What was his sensible remark in 881 01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:30,640 the first episode where he said where he pointed out as they were engaged in 882 01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:34,119 their bidding war for this for this useless company. Um, he said, 883 01:08:34,119 --> 01:08:38,600 has anyone done a cost benefit of analysis? Has anyone actually worked out how 884 01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:45,079 how much this company is actually worth? Yeah? And neither Shiv nor nor 885 01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:48,840 a Kendall had they look him a blank look at that point. Have you 886 01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:54,239 watched rabbit Hole yet? No? I haven't. I was going to subscribe 887 01:08:54,279 --> 01:08:58,039 to Paramount Plus so I can watch it. Is it worth watching? On 888 01:08:58,199 --> 01:09:00,359 the on the first episode, I would say not but I think we should. 889 01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:03,680 I'm going to we should both have it a look and come back to 890 01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:08,159 it. I'll tell you what my tip of the week is. I don't 891 01:09:08,199 --> 01:09:11,640 know what it's names always forget to look at the names. It's it's on 892 01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:17,760 Netflix and it's Norwegian and it is about Norwegian merchant shipping in the war. 893 01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:23,960 Okay, And had this been made by a had it been about the merchant 894 01:09:24,039 --> 01:09:28,199 navy in the war, there would definitely have been lots of sort of black 895 01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:33,079 and transgender people shoehorned into the into the cast. But because because it's Norwegian 896 01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:42,000 where you know whatever, it feels totally authentic and totally honest and understated. 897 01:09:42,359 --> 01:09:45,760 It's it's really good. I mean, I've I've almost had my fill of 898 01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,319 World War two things, which is a thing for me to say, but 899 01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:55,720 it's it's true. But this was really well done. Oh look, Brian's 900 01:09:55,720 --> 01:10:01,640 done the research for US Ye war sailor war sail What a crap title war 901 01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:06,600 sailor maybe that's a direct war sailor. Yeah, that is all that must 902 01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:11,279 be. Something got lost in translation there. But I wonder what the Norwegian 903 01:10:11,399 --> 01:10:14,199 for wars. I'm gonna I'm gona look at war Sailor because it's a bit 904 01:10:14,279 --> 01:10:18,800 like it sounds quite like Anglo Saxon. Ye doesn't it war sailor? Yeah. 905 01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:29,960 Less literal translation is oh, how do you do how do you do? 906 01:10:30,079 --> 01:10:34,159 Translate? Let why don't we ask Brian to do that for you? 907 01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:39,560 In the background, and I wanted to talk about one more creak sailor Creek 908 01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:44,039 sailor that sounds better? Um, yeah, yeah, it does, doesn't 909 01:10:44,039 --> 01:10:46,039 it? But it sounds quite German. It does sound quite German. I 910 01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:49,279 really recommend it. Okay, all right, I'll check that out. And 911 01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:54,039 it's a drama is it not a doc? It's one of those limited dramas 912 01:10:54,119 --> 01:10:59,960 three parts? Okay. Um, So I've I've got rather depressing news because 913 01:11:00,039 --> 01:11:01,920 I've just been giving up on things. I've finally given up. I think 914 01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:10,560 on Fleischmann is in trouble after watching I think episode seven, and it's just, 915 01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:16,800 you know, it's these quite well observed upper east Side, professional, 916 01:11:17,039 --> 01:11:24,119 upper middle class Jews in New York and at first, you know, it's 917 01:11:24,159 --> 01:11:27,119 almost like I really liked it. It was like a kind of grown up 918 01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:32,119 kind of you know drama dy which which seemed to have a kind of connection 919 01:11:32,159 --> 01:11:35,560 to Seinfeldt. It was like kind of Seinfeldt being brought up to date with 920 01:11:36,279 --> 01:11:42,359 slightly older, slightly more angst ridden, slightly less funny characters. And I 921 01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,680 really enjoyed the relationship between Fleischman and his kind of spoilt, bratt ten year 922 01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:50,439 old daughter. And the cast is great with Jesse Eisenberg playing the lead. 923 01:11:51,279 --> 01:11:55,800 But nothing's really happened, you know, we've got to episode seven, the 924 01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:59,439 mystery of you know, what's happened to his wife, why she's you know 925 01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:03,720 gone a well that has still hasn't been resolved. The other characters seem to 926 01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:08,920 be stuck and sort of not going anywhere in their relationships and their lives. 927 01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:15,359 Jesse Eisenberg is becoming increasingly solop cystic and boring and he's always belly aching. 928 01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,640 The daughter is not nearly as brattish as she used to be, and their 929 01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:23,640 relationships improved, and you feel like this is just a bit samey. You 930 01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:27,640 know, nothing's really happened and there's no development, So I've lost it. 931 01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,119 You were never really solted it. Their ch I was never solved. I 932 01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,520 like the idea of it, but the execution was always not great. But 933 01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:41,520 and I've also I gave up on season three of ted Lasso after one episode. 934 01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:45,279 It was so unbelievably poor. Um So, I'm not going to carry 935 01:12:45,359 --> 01:12:50,199 on with that. Um And yeah, and the night it wasn't called The 936 01:12:50,319 --> 01:12:55,439 Night Manager, it was called something similar. Anyway, I don't think I'm 937 01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:58,079 going to go beyond episode two of that. And I was really looking forward 938 01:12:58,079 --> 01:13:00,319 to rabbit Hole. So I'm disappointed to learn. Well, yeah, but 939 01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:06,199 you might like it because it's it's a bit like twenty four. I hoped 940 01:13:06,239 --> 01:13:10,680 it would be a kind of you know, a fried brain conspiracy thriller in 941 01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:13,760 the Three Days of the Condor mode. Well, indeed, that's what would 942 01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,840 have liked, preferably starring somebody like me, But I don't. I don't 943 01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:20,960 get that impression at all. Um So, but just but just watch the 944 01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:25,960 Norwegian thing. Um So. I also saw one more film, James I'm 945 01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,640 not going to recommend, which is The Boston Strangler, which seems to have 946 01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:35,239 gone straight to streaming on Disney Plus, and it stars Kieran Nightly as a 947 01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:42,079 doggie. It's not the Boston Strangler, No, she's a dogged reporter at 948 01:13:42,119 --> 01:13:47,359 I think a made up Boston newspaper who who pursues the Boston Strangler, who 949 01:13:47,399 --> 01:13:50,760 tries to find out who it is and who browbeats the police into kind of 950 01:13:51,319 --> 01:13:57,640 um properly investigating it and catching the baddie um. And it's and it's kind 951 01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:00,640 of it's a sort of, you know, it's a feminist, horrible one 952 01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:05,279 of those stories about female empowerment, as well as an indictment of the authorities 953 01:14:05,359 --> 01:14:09,439 for not taking the Boston Stranglers seriously, because after all, he was just 954 01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:15,199 killing women. And the conclusion of the film spoiler alert if you haven't seen 955 01:14:15,239 --> 01:14:17,039 it, switch off now, but the conclusion is that there wasn't just one 956 01:14:17,119 --> 01:14:23,359 Boston Strangler. There were many Boston Stranglers. And the reason that was overlooked 957 01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:29,199 by the police and the authorities is because they were unwilling to confront the fact 958 01:14:29,319 --> 01:14:32,920 that there is an epidemic of violence against women and girls and always has been, 959 01:14:33,159 --> 01:14:39,079 and all men are capable of strangling women and girls because we're all predatory 960 01:14:39,199 --> 01:14:43,600 rapists beneath the surface. So it was a kind of ghastly, kind of 961 01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:47,439 woke feminist version of the Boston Strangler story. And I'm sure most of it 962 01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:51,159 was made up. And yeah, Kira Knightley does her best to kind of 963 01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:57,479 frown her way through it, but yeah, it was totally unwatchable. Okay, 964 01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:02,479 it's time for my proegy terms. Okay, James, good to talk 965 01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:26,239 and yeah, talk again next week. Bye, it's under calling. 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