1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:09,720 Hell, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Acolyte Star Wars Review, 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:15,119 Episode five. We are back to here. Oh red light for kirklam 3 00:00:15,119 --> 00:00:18,039 passes it meaning sith that means the going red light district. I don't know 4 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,120 we're gonna find out, but yes, we're here to talk about Acolyte. 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,120 This is I guess we're over the halfway point now, right, it's ten 6 00:00:24,199 --> 00:00:29,079 episodes or it's eight episodes, right? Got it sound like annoyed? Like 7 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,679 I had asked him many times? An idiot? Too many rock gifts in 8 00:00:32,719 --> 00:00:38,399 between. Yeah, I go to ask you a question and are you fucking 9 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:43,039 kidding me? I didn't do that. I didn't do that. I got 10 00:00:43,079 --> 00:00:49,159 your medicine. Oh man. Also, Kirkland, we do not tuble this 11 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,719 off air because here edited the last newscast. You have to decide if you're 12 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,679 uploading this one or the news tomorrow. And if you don't do news tomorrow, 13 00:00:55,679 --> 00:00:57,840 then you do the next news. So you can just whatever you want. 14 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:02,000 Let me to chat tonight. There you go. It's the next newscast 15 00:01:02,479 --> 00:01:03,959 that's you, and that's gonna be like the comic Con all weekend. You'll 16 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:08,640 be don't scare me, but I'll have that it's on record. But yes, 17 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,120 we're here to talk about acolytes, so let's get right down to it 18 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:17,159 as usual. We're gonna start with nonspoiler thoughts, so we'll do that. 19 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,239 If you haven't seen the episode, if you're you know, can't catch it 20 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,719 for some reason, you can listen to the first fifteen to twenty minutes, 21 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,280 and then we will transition to spoils. We'll take a little ad break, 22 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,560 and then we'll be right back and go the full Monty. The only thing 23 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,719 I'll shout before you do some plugs Later on his Geek first day August, 24 00:01:30,719 --> 00:01:37,319 there is happening a nine hour stream starting at nine am PST, specifically four 25 00:01:37,359 --> 00:01:42,359 events Geek Verses, which is our deadliest warrior of fiction fictional characters. The 26 00:01:42,359 --> 00:01:45,000 Golden Geeks are back. It's our version of the Oscars, and we're going 27 00:01:45,079 --> 00:01:48,280 to be doing the year of twenty twenty twelve, No, not twenty twelve, 28 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,840 two thousand and twelve, what the yeah, twenty twelve? There we 29 00:01:51,879 --> 00:01:55,159 go. What else are we doing? Trivia? Which is gonna be fun 30 00:01:55,159 --> 00:01:57,319 if your patron look out for that, because it's gonna be myself in Delma's 31 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,599 leading teams of patrons and Taylor's gonna be concocting a bunch of questions, so 32 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:07,400 that'll be fun. And then finally, this weekend, the first episode of 33 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,240 the Book of the Downfall, Taylor feels going to a debut on YouTube, 34 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:15,159 and that's gonna go into Taylor's lawyer says, there's no match happening. My 35 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:16,960 lawyer's who are better his? Is their match happening. I've made a promise 36 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,039 that one way or another, a wrestling match will be happening August third, 37 00:02:21,199 --> 00:02:23,840 preferably me and Taylor for the fourth time. So stay tuned for that because 38 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,680 I got lots of updates, but lots of good things. It's a celebrator 39 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,759 a nine year We're gonna go nine hours if you can. If you like 40 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,560 the show, go and wait till that day and head over to Patreon try 41 00:02:34,599 --> 00:02:37,280 it out. And on that day, if you up your tier or join 42 00:02:37,319 --> 00:02:38,680 your tier, we'll go later we'll talk about tresh goals, but it's just 43 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:43,000 gonna be a fun time, just celebrating our nine years. So yeah, 44 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,000 go check that one out. Mister Patzer, what where are you? You 45 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:52,759 missed the last a few weeks now or just episode two weeks weeks in a 46 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:57,360 row, that's right. So what are you thinking of the show so far? 47 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,800 With you know few you don't need an hour long thoughts in your old 48 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,240 episodes, but you know a little bit of those, and then what are 49 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,800 you thinking currently? And we're over halfway? So you were somebody that you 50 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:09,800 know the show in his advertised ers the show we got you felt a little 51 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:15,319 iffy about it. Where are you now? What's your bones feeling? Like? 52 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,719 Are they rested? My bones? Where my bones are feeling? I'll 53 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:25,400 say where I was at before this episodeh I I like pretty okay with it. 54 00:03:25,599 --> 00:03:31,120 I feel like the first two episodes we're pretty pretty strong in my opinion, 55 00:03:31,199 --> 00:03:36,120 Like I don't know, eight eight range, maybe just below a nine. 56 00:03:36,199 --> 00:03:38,840 Like I did really like what was shown. Although you know, if 57 00:03:38,879 --> 00:03:44,759 you tuned into that first episode, I had mentioned that it wasn't exactly what 58 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,599 I was expecting to get from the get go, so like from that point 59 00:03:46,639 --> 00:03:51,280 on it was kind of tempered my expectations. I think of just knowing the 60 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,000 level that we were going with the threats that we were dealing with, and 61 00:03:55,080 --> 00:04:00,719 kind of who our main players were, main character and whatnot. But yeah, 62 00:04:00,759 --> 00:04:02,560 as it was going on, I still feel like it's pretty much in 63 00:04:02,599 --> 00:04:08,120 that same range for me. I thought, uh, I thought episode three 64 00:04:08,319 --> 00:04:12,560 was okay. I just wasn't really like too interested in the like the flashback 65 00:04:12,599 --> 00:04:15,319 sequences, so it was kind of losing me in like an interest sense, 66 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,639 not necessarily with like what they were showing, but I just feel like maybe 67 00:04:19,639 --> 00:04:23,439 it was just going on too long. And then just as like we're just 68 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:28,240 getting a lot of the flashback moments and I wasn't really vibing with it, 69 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,240 but like it wasn't a major drop off. It was just like, Okay, 70 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,839 that seemed like a weaker episode. And then episodes the women, right, 71 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,600 that's why you weren't too many women. Yeah, I was like, 72 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:49,839 where's the uh the male coven? Yeah? Coven? No, I don't 73 00:04:49,879 --> 00:04:55,399 know. I thought all the witches female? Are you fucking kidding me? 74 00:04:57,079 --> 00:05:02,000 Where? What's that planet again? And is that the same one? Should 75 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:08,240 I fallen order? Like is that where it's like the Witches of Good there? 76 00:05:08,319 --> 00:05:12,199 I don't know what answer? Sorry, what was the question? What 77 00:05:12,199 --> 00:05:15,000 are the witches called the witches of Datha Marian witches? Yeah? So like 78 00:05:15,199 --> 00:05:23,279 that concept was that introduced in Fallen Order or is that something that was wae 79 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:30,879 venturess. That was the first time I was experienced, at least to the 80 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:35,600 witches. And I remember remember uh Tales the Empire, Joe Grievous and that 81 00:05:35,639 --> 00:05:40,879 one side arc where you met uh Alsbeth. Yeah, there's your experience with 82 00:05:40,959 --> 00:05:44,240 Dath. It wasn't the first one though, first experience was Fallen Order. 83 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,399 But no, you're right, So it's been this concept that's kind of even 84 00:05:47,439 --> 00:05:50,319 fully dove into, I guess, And uh, what was shown was all 85 00:05:50,439 --> 00:05:54,519 right. I think it was mostly just the interactions amongst the characters. I 86 00:05:54,639 --> 00:05:57,279 just I don't know, it's like, Okay, there's a mom that's me 87 00:05:57,319 --> 00:06:00,439 and and a mom that's nice, and we just have that are at ends 88 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,360 just giving my little episode three review all of a sudden, but like it 89 00:06:04,439 --> 00:06:10,040 was, okay, a little dip in my interests. Episode four, I 90 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,040 thought it was a big step up. I was just a lot more excited 91 00:06:13,079 --> 00:06:15,680 and what was going to happen. Of course, I'd had a big cliffhanger. 92 00:06:15,959 --> 00:06:18,680 I was wanting to get that whole sequence I think in that episode. 93 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:24,600 But I think it was I think it was worth the wait. Actually was 94 00:06:24,759 --> 00:06:29,120 I was like leading into my thoughts on this episode. I think I was 95 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,480 I don't know. I think I was expecting less than what we got, 96 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:40,000 and I was pretty impressed with overall just the action that was involved in this 97 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:45,000 episode. This is definitely the most action packed one. A lot of lightsabers 98 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:50,560 clashing, and I thought like it wasn't the best late lightsaber battle. I 99 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:55,040 think if I had to look at just the overall Star Wars universe on the 100 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,319 big screen but and little screen, I guess this is considered little screen unless 101 00:06:59,319 --> 00:07:01,720 you're watching it really big screen. But yeah, I thought it was I 102 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,360 thought it was great. I thought it was a really really good episode. 103 00:07:04,439 --> 00:07:10,720 And I'm curious if it's my favorite episode, like it's not like a clear 104 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,959 clear jump. Yeah, actually, now that I think about it, yeah 105 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,360 it's my favorite episode. Put myself over on that one. Okay, so 106 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:25,000 I will go next because you know we'll leave mister Starlar's last and Kirkland was 107 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,240 not here last week, but I shared, so my thoughts were last week 108 00:07:27,399 --> 00:07:30,240 was a big down point for me, and I thought, man, uh, 109 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,920 you never know, shows can recover, and hopefully it would, but 110 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:42,720 this episode was just are you fucking kidding? Me, oh man, this 111 00:07:42,879 --> 00:07:46,439 was a bummer. So it's tough because I feel like there's things that you 112 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,000 could slice out by themselves and they're good, but in the whole context of 113 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,639 the show, they don't work. May is becoming one of the worst Star 114 00:07:54,639 --> 00:07:59,120 Wars characters we've ever had in Disney. Plus, it is frustrating how poorly 115 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,160 written this character is. From week to week. It was just astronomical last 116 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,319 week what happened, and then I think it's almost astronomical again of what's happening 117 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,399 with this character. It's just annoying A non invested I was invested in the 118 00:08:11,439 --> 00:08:16,000 first three episodes and now that's gone. I don't know, if you listen 119 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:22,560 to all our reviews, there's a reveal and oh wow like that, like, 120 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:30,519 hey, yeah, I just don't you just write things in a certain 121 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,600 way. And to me, it's like the idea of what a red herring 122 00:08:33,879 --> 00:08:37,440 was right and it went so hard on something where I thought, and I'm 123 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,879 like, no, because the show right now is just poorly written. It's 124 00:08:39,879 --> 00:08:43,519 gonna be that. But throughout the week I was like, maybe maybe it's 125 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,600 not Maybe it's just that they are fucking me. They're getting me, you 126 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,679 know, they are red hairing me. I'm falling for the oldest trick in 127 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,759 the book, like here it is, here, it is, here's the 128 00:08:50,799 --> 00:08:52,279 twist, and like, no, that's not gonna be it. And then 129 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,360 oh, that's the twist. So now it's like, that's the problem. 130 00:08:56,399 --> 00:09:00,120 What happened with four? And then this episode as well that I feel like 131 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,279 they hurt episode one, two and three now, so that's where we're getting 132 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:05,559 into. Not only have these episodes disappointed me, they're going back in the 133 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:11,279 other past there. Uh. The actors, like especially Soul and a certain 134 00:09:11,279 --> 00:09:15,320 actor I think did a good job, even a great job at times. 135 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,000 I think it's just the writing of some of these characters in the dialogue they 136 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:22,320 have to say. I was not a fan of one particular mass character's dialogue 137 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,799 a lot didn't know what was going on there. So yeah, I just 138 00:09:26,519 --> 00:09:30,480 some good moments. I don't think it's like all time, we're Star Wars 139 00:09:30,519 --> 00:09:33,720 again. This isn't Jack Black and Lizzo. I do feel like it's gonna 140 00:09:33,759 --> 00:09:37,480 be comfortably secured right above, because I always said my bottom three is like 141 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,320 Boba Mando three, and now I think it's easily gonna be act like I 142 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,879 don't think it can go be below Mando three because, like I said that 143 00:09:43,879 --> 00:09:48,559 that episode whatever in season three that was abomination. I could not you know, 144 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,320 I'm being hyperbolic, but still my eyes have still hurt me then, 145 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,600 So yeah, this is still another week where the show is definitely we weren't 146 00:09:56,639 --> 00:09:58,600 going up, we weren't going down. We were kind of steady, and 147 00:09:58,639 --> 00:10:01,559 like I said, like things, didn't like things. But now I'm finding 148 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:07,279 more stuff that I dislike and more things that make me dislike things that I 149 00:10:07,399 --> 00:10:11,519 liked before, which that's seemed frustrating because that may these two episodes don't make 150 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:13,279 me want to rewatch the show, and that's what you shouldn't have. So 151 00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:16,279 yeah, I wasn't a huge fan of this, even though there was some 152 00:10:16,399 --> 00:10:22,360 cool stuff in here and some maybe good moments, but overall, uh yeah, 153 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:24,240 I think it's a I think it's another swing and a miss, and 154 00:10:24,279 --> 00:10:31,360 I think this show is on a somehow. The last minute did leave me 155 00:10:31,399 --> 00:10:33,639 intrigued where we're going. I was like, Okay, this is interesting, 156 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:39,399 but the problem is where we've done so far. I can't be excited because 157 00:10:39,399 --> 00:10:41,039 I just feel like I'm gonna be disappointed or letdown. Again. So that's 158 00:10:41,039 --> 00:10:45,120 where I am. But good on them for every week in these fucking twenty 159 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,799 seven minute episodes, leaving me something to hang on to. So mister Field, 160 00:10:52,919 --> 00:10:58,000 yeah, this this episode was amazing. I loved it. I was 161 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:03,919 eating it up ever since last week included. I spent the whole week just 162 00:11:03,919 --> 00:11:07,720 just salivating, just wanting to see some shit. And Travis put some scary 163 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,759 thoughts in my mind because I was thinking, like, maybe they do skip 164 00:11:11,799 --> 00:11:15,960 over some things, and he put scary thoughts in my mind as well. 165 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,279 And the first like ten seconds of the episode, I'm like, no, 166 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,200 Travis called it No, I No, I thought that too. It was 167 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,320 like that fuck. But you know, but like, I'm very happy with 168 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,200 what we got, and considering most of the episode being what I think, 169 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,360 thirty three minutes and I feel like twenty No, it's twenty eight minutes. 170 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,759 So all the fucking credits, yeah, don't try to fucking fluff it up. 171 00:11:37,799 --> 00:11:41,360 It's same as last week, where it's that bullshit of the recap and 172 00:11:41,399 --> 00:11:43,559 that it's not even half an hour. It felt I mean, it felt 173 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:48,360 longer than what I was expecting, Like all like the fighting going on felt 174 00:11:48,399 --> 00:11:50,919 long. And then of course some stuff following that. It all just it 175 00:11:50,919 --> 00:11:54,240 felt like we covered a lot of ground and I didn't feel like it was 176 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:58,679 rushed, Like I really I enjoyed everything that they were dishing out and what 177 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:03,000 for the most part, everything that happened, I I was my jaw was 178 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:07,279 dropping with certain things that took place. I was like, holy shit, 179 00:12:07,399 --> 00:12:09,159 like this just happened. That Holy shit again, like this just happened. 180 00:12:09,159 --> 00:12:15,039 And now I'm starting to see where we can we can kind of reverse and 181 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:16,840 backtrack a little bit with what they introduced in last week's episode, and we 182 00:12:16,879 --> 00:12:20,519 can see because I feel like it all comes down just to dialogue. And 183 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,679 I might when I when we get into our our thoughts and spoilers, I 184 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:28,799 might semi not really rant, but I'm gonna put my foot down on some 185 00:12:28,879 --> 00:12:33,159 things because I think some things with the show need to be defended because all 186 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,919 week I've just been stewing and sitting on all these people just fucking coming down 187 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:45,240 on this show for certain things that like it's just too well. I'm gonna 188 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,480 I'm gonna make a case and try and point about it. But yeah, 189 00:12:48,639 --> 00:12:52,399 I feel like a lot of people are just they're just hopping onto this this 190 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,159 wagon of just shitting on it. But I'm not gonna go too political. 191 00:12:54,159 --> 00:12:58,039 I'm not gonna go too crazy because where I'm gonna I'm gonna stick for different 192 00:12:58,039 --> 00:13:01,799 reasons. Yeah, and that's that's totally fair. That's totally fair. The 193 00:13:01,799 --> 00:13:05,720 wagon I'm I'm talking about is the Caddy Mundy thing. Not a spoiler, 194 00:13:05,399 --> 00:13:09,679 but yeah, I will save that for that. Actually I was curious, 195 00:13:09,799 --> 00:13:16,279 yes, yes, we must live long then just his species. I guess, 196 00:13:16,279 --> 00:13:24,840 oh you haven't heard, Okay, well, oh yeah, so apparently 197 00:13:24,879 --> 00:13:28,799 like he's he's not even born yet. That's the thing. And you know 198 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,480 what, yeah, before knows. Yeah, in the so it's legends. 199 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:35,120 And they had on Wikipedia that he wasn't even born yet and then he was 200 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:39,240 in the show. But to some and I will say, because Taylor probably 201 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:43,519 doesn't know this stuff, the website people at Wikipedia were getting death threats because 202 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,840 what they did is after the episode they changed his date to make it so 203 00:13:46,919 --> 00:13:48,559 he could be alive and whatever they want, more cannon stuff. I think 204 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,159 it's all dumb nerd like go get a life stuff and you shouldn't do that. 205 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:56,799 But that was the controversy last week that originally his birth date was before, 206 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,279 like after this episode, so it was all catty money when he's supposed 207 00:14:01,279 --> 00:14:03,639 to be like a spermacoid or something. That's funny because I saw him Like 208 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,000 that's cool. I like it. Yeah, yeah, I guess. I 209 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,000 guess he lives long. Like that's just how I took it. But people 210 00:14:09,039 --> 00:14:16,519 are raging because the date was different on a I mean people given death threats 211 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,679 to Sir Kristen Cole. Oh yeah they are. No, don't get me 212 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,519 wrong. I'm definitely someone that you were doing an alien rot show. I'll 213 00:14:22,519 --> 00:14:24,639 go on like the Aliens Wiki at twelve o'clock at night, you know. 214 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,039 I like to find myself on like House the Dragon Wiki, Like you know, 215 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,919 it's late at night. You find yourself in those areas. But who 216 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:39,039 the fuck is like yeah, Wikipedia, Oh his date is ninety something years 217 00:14:39,039 --> 00:14:43,440 old. This is like, this is the real deal before eighty or aby, 218 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,080 what is it before? I could go on Wikipedia and change the fact. 219 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,399 Oh, Germany is actually a province in Canada. I could change that 220 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,039 in people like different because they would change it right back. They would yeah, 221 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,120 yeah, but maybe it has people that do run it and they make 222 00:14:56,159 --> 00:15:00,000 the final call, right, It's just yes, and I'm gonna I'm trying 223 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:01,679 not to get too deep in this because I know you don't want people listening 224 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,000 don't want to hear this. But I just think that at the end of 225 00:15:05,039 --> 00:15:11,000 the day, the terminology that that Caddy Mundy has in regards to the Phantom 226 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,279 Menace, I think that this show is doing a good job at kind of 227 00:15:13,399 --> 00:15:16,960 navigating it a little bit. And I think with where we got to in 228 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:22,720 this episode, it has clearly put its foot down on showing why Caddy Mundy 229 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:28,240 says those things, uh in the Phantom Menace. So I think that that's 230 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,840 I'm excited to kind of talk more about that. And again, I think 231 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:35,159 it all comes down just to just to the dialogue, and I feel like 232 00:15:35,159 --> 00:15:37,120 people are kind of blowing it out of proportion a little bit, and especially 233 00:15:37,159 --> 00:15:41,120 everyone just kind of jumping on the age thing is one thing, but people 234 00:15:41,159 --> 00:15:43,440 jumping on the Candy Moundy thing with how he talks and how he's a liar 235 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,759 and all that kind of stuff. Will I feel like, again, we 236 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,279 have three more weeks to go, and I feel like we're gonna get some 237 00:15:50,279 --> 00:15:56,159 some more things kind of Okay, continue, I got nothing else we got, 238 00:15:56,159 --> 00:15:58,159 we got into spoilers, so I will Yeah, we'll get into spoilers. 239 00:15:58,159 --> 00:16:00,600 I do want to shout out somebody because this happened the last few weeks. 240 00:16:00,759 --> 00:16:03,679 Kirkland, you missed some fiery chats, but this came from Parker Leeds, 241 00:16:03,679 --> 00:16:07,840 who thank you very much for giving us a five serview. Yeah, 242 00:16:07,919 --> 00:16:11,720 yeah, thank god Kirklan's not here. He rouins the episodes. Hey guys, 243 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,919 long time listener, a big fan of podcast. This is a very 244 00:16:14,919 --> 00:16:18,000 emotionally raw review, and this title was for episode three, you know, 245 00:16:18,039 --> 00:16:22,720 that one that destroyed Star Wars. I admire the passion presented in defending this 246 00:16:22,799 --> 00:16:25,759 episode from negative comments, but it almost feels like you, guys, let 247 00:16:25,759 --> 00:16:29,720 the trolls under your skin. More time was spent arguing against the haters than 248 00:16:29,879 --> 00:16:33,679 was spent on your normal, entertaining reviews of the episodes, which, thank 249 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,000 you, I tuned in normally for excellent commentary, not the haters. I 250 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,279 agree one hundred percent what you guys were saying, but this episode had a 251 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,879 combative nature and energy that has found on a lot of political discourse these days. 252 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,559 Don't let yourself get dragged into that tone. Keep up the good otherwise, 253 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,519 good work, So I appreciate the words I will say. The thing 254 00:16:48,559 --> 00:16:52,000 that I like hold back on is like let them get under your skin. 255 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,919 It's definitely not that because the second this episode ends, I don't remember anything 256 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,879 those people say. And luckily, like I don't think too many. Maybe 257 00:16:59,879 --> 00:17:03,320 some people were like on the edge of being negative, but for me, 258 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,799 it's like if some people come in live and I do like I always want 259 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:11,079 because here's the thing, this is gonna sound weird. But when I was 260 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:12,440 younger, my dad, I don't think he does now because I think they 261 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,680 went too crazy, but he had serious and now it's serious XM. And 262 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,599 he always used to listen to Fox News, but he's not like right wing. 263 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,640 He definitely leans left wing. But I asked, like, well why, 264 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,240 And it's like my years of like becoming an adult and for my own 265 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:29,880 views, like, well, it doesn't matter what's going on, I still 266 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,400 want to hear the opposition. And that's where I kind of take it from, 267 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,680 Like as long as people aren't too negative and are getting really on the 268 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,559 weird stuff like we joke about the female witches, but we don't care about 269 00:17:38,599 --> 00:17:41,960 that stuff really, Like when it's that stuff, yeah, those people are 270 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,920 gonna get banned, and I'm not even gonna comment those when it's the people 271 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,119 that I hope genuinely just feel, hey, I was excited for the show 272 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:49,960 and x Y and D's disappointing me. And that comes at a time where 273 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,799 episode three, I was still digging the show, so I was down to 274 00:17:52,839 --> 00:17:56,559 always have the debates. So that's why for me, I always want to 275 00:17:56,599 --> 00:18:00,720 give the other side and people that tune in, it's great to interact and 276 00:18:00,759 --> 00:18:03,000 let them be Hey, they're spending some time with us, so that's great. 277 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:04,640 But I do understand that it's tough though. That's what we talked about 278 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,680 in that episode, where it's tough to talk about a lot of the issues 279 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,039 of Star Wars and not be political anymore because it's like since last Sjed I, 280 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,839 it's always been that. I think Unfortunately, if you don't like that 281 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,200 aspect of Star Wars, it's just always gonna be around now because I think 282 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,240 that really, I know there's much like lots, but I feel like that 283 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,160 was the inception of like the Red Eye thumbnails the woke culture in movies and 284 00:18:26,279 --> 00:18:30,519 TV shows. I feel like Star Wars fans, like the negative ones, 285 00:18:30,519 --> 00:18:33,079 really went that route. So I do appreciate it, and yeah, we'll 286 00:18:33,079 --> 00:18:34,799 try not to make it sound too negative, but it's more so just trying 287 00:18:34,839 --> 00:18:37,960 to get other opinions out there and another thing like that. So I'm not 288 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,400 sure Ti, if there's anything you want to add on that. I think 289 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,839 you said it. I mean where we are now, Like the fandom is 290 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,480 very clearly divided, and I don't think you're ever gonna be able to put 291 00:18:48,519 --> 00:18:52,720 out one thing that is gonna have everyone united. I think if there was 292 00:18:52,759 --> 00:18:56,240 such a thing, it was probably Mando season one. But even though I 293 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:00,000 feel like that definitely still probably hit a couple snags with the fandom, but 294 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,119 I don't think so, I don't. I think Mando season one and two 295 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,319 they had it, and then after Boba fadenah on, they they got back 296 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:11,000 to a divide again. You know, it was like we had force awakens. 297 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:12,960 I feel like we had forced reagans of Rogue one because even people like 298 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,119 some of us that didn't love Rogue one, it wasn't a huge divide. 299 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:18,400 It's just like, oh, I don't enjoy this as much as other people. 300 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,440 It definitely was Last Jedi, and then we got a break with Mando 301 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:23,599 and even and Or because there's tons of people that think and it's just like 302 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,039 boring and it's not their type of Star Wars, right, So yeah, 303 00:19:27,039 --> 00:19:30,640 I don't think there's one thing that can come out and fix it anymore. 304 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,480 So yeah, all right, we're gonna get into the episode. So if 305 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,039 you've not seen it, tune out now and we'll be right back with our 306 00:19:37,039 --> 00:19:41,359 spoilers and we are back. So ladies, shiomen if you're listening this episode 307 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:42,279 and you will go, hey, I didn't want to listen to ad break, 308 00:19:42,319 --> 00:19:45,720 well, head over to Patron and subscribe to maybe the Phase two tier 309 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,839 or higher because you can get episodes ad free early and exclusive. This week 310 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,400 you'll begin our Alien for retrospective two and three. You're up there right now, 311 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,000 and next week they'll be our exclusive episodes Bread and Butter and the Original, 312 00:19:57,039 --> 00:20:00,759 so lots of good things there. Yeah, there's always polls or questions 313 00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:03,880 like again, if you want to be on the trivia coming up, come 314 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,400 August third, and your decent person come over there. And everything you do 315 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,079 support and give us goes into content for next year and for our films, 316 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,160 everything like that, so we very much appreciate that. So, ladies and 317 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,400 gentlemen, let's so the caddy money thing, I want to go there because 318 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,319 I was gonna say something, but it would have been a little bit spoilery, 319 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,160 right, circling back, Hey already ye, well, because it ties 320 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,680 into what happens with like the massacre, right, So for me, oh, 321 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,480 I'm sorry, I will answer a couple of these. John Petro Pedro, 322 00:20:30,519 --> 00:20:33,359 who's been with us almost a week, Good to see you, John, 323 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:33,960 since it kind of felt like a finale to me. Now, I 324 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,000 have no idea where the main episodes will go, which we'll circle back to 325 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,200 when we get to the end of this episode. Because I agree to a 326 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,720 point. I think that's interesting, so more questions and answers. Really enjoyed 327 00:20:42,759 --> 00:20:48,000 the twenty five minute long saber fight Mario Parker Milligan said, and I think 328 00:20:48,039 --> 00:20:51,480 that's something that I will agree with that it felt like it sucks. We 329 00:20:51,559 --> 00:20:56,599 heard this episode for the canceled or potentially canceled for the thirteenth episode, where 330 00:20:56,599 --> 00:20:59,759 it was supposed to be like a whole just hour long chase episode, and 331 00:20:59,799 --> 00:21:02,480 I like that was something. I did like that the majority of the episode 332 00:21:02,519 --> 00:21:04,519 was just like fight to fight to fight. I did appreciate that they went 333 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,519 that but I think where I got to push back on the Caddy money thing 334 00:21:07,559 --> 00:21:14,480 to where it's tough because I think that the age thing I throw out because 335 00:21:14,519 --> 00:21:17,240 I don't care about that, because that's not Cannon's legends whatever. Right, 336 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:18,960 the Caddy money thing, I think it just comes down to like a certain 337 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,920 point of view, because sure it's not they don't say, oh the Sith, 338 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:27,920 but they're literally talking about a master training a apprentice with four sisms. 339 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:33,960 And now my issue is where, how do you they how many Jedi to 340 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:38,759 die in this episode? Like at least over five right, three Jedi? 341 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,599 No, I think there was at least there's one, two three. For 342 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:49,839 last week there's probably just just under ten. So just that's the thing for 343 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,279 me where in my point of view, And I'm gonna bring this up again 344 00:21:52,319 --> 00:21:55,920 in the episode two a Soul where something happens where I go, I just 345 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:57,960 don't buy this. I feel like it's plot armor for me for Caddy Money 346 00:21:59,039 --> 00:22:02,000 to be in that meeting and then talking about even if heels like, well, 347 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,720 they're not saying Sith in Dark Side, so it's just a master train 348 00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:07,920 Jedi. That is to me, someone with the forest being trained to kill 349 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,720 Jedi that is a red flag and this is why I need to see what 350 00:22:11,759 --> 00:22:14,519 they do with the show. But for me, they keep dropping the ball 351 00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:17,799 with a lot of these big plot points. Almost let's just say it's ten 352 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,599 Let's say ten Jedi die. Ten Jedi die, and it's not gonna be 353 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,839 like that feels very odd for me, the caddyman in here, there's a 354 00:22:23,839 --> 00:22:27,839 Master of Force and ten Jedi die and it's not gonna be looked at at 355 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:33,359 all. You know, Here's here's why I left this slide. Uh. 356 00:22:33,079 --> 00:22:38,759 I think the only witnesses that are still alive for the Sith is the Master, 357 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,599 Soul, Osha, and May. This is the only three. And 358 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:47,759 I'm I'm convinced that Soul is now he's alone with May. Soul's gonna get 359 00:22:47,839 --> 00:22:49,359 killed. I think at some point he's gonnaet killed before he can report back 360 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,160 to the Council. That leaves Osha and May be the only ones to report 361 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,519 it. Now we know that, how how difficult was it for them to 362 00:22:56,559 --> 00:22:59,960 find kal Naka's hut where that fight took place. It was exceptionally difficult, 363 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,279 even with the fucking basle guy we'll talk about. But that's the other thing. 364 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,440 Everyone that's saying, Oh, you land on this planet, you go 365 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:07,880 in there like you're not gonna come out, You're gonna die, like you 366 00:23:08,039 --> 00:23:11,400 go in there like it's extremely hard to figure out where you're going. So 367 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,319 people that go there, they're gonna try and track down what happened and where 368 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,480 the Jedi went. They're probably not gonna find them. They're gonna think that 369 00:23:18,519 --> 00:23:21,799 the Force just got them. And it's a huge forest, and the Jedi 370 00:23:21,839 --> 00:23:25,680 did get lost without their guide. So I think that it's going to prove 371 00:23:25,799 --> 00:23:29,240 very difficult to find that evidence. Of course, we don't know. Maybe 372 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,640 the Sith Lord is still there, the Sith Apprentice, so he can obviously 373 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,400 hide the evidence, disposed of the bodies. No one's gonna know. And 374 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,480 this is why I said dialogue. I think it's gonna come down to the 375 00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:42,720 fact that this information is just gonna appure that, hey, these Jedi just 376 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:47,599 went missing. And yes, you're right, we have this discussion that Okay, 377 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,359 someone has the Force and they're being trained to utilize it. But they 378 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,000 weren't fighting in the Sith arts or the Jedi arts like they were fighting just 379 00:23:55,079 --> 00:23:57,720 with their their daggers whatnot, Like they're just murdering Jedi, and they had 380 00:23:57,759 --> 00:24:02,319 capabilities of the force. There was someone that was teaching them, but there's 381 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,839 nothing that really instigates that thought that's a Syth. And if they are under 382 00:24:04,839 --> 00:24:08,160 the impression, hey, the Syth have been extinct or a millennium as they 383 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,680 say, then they wouldn't their mind wouldn't go there. And again that's reaffirmed 384 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,720 because the Jedi and this episode are like what are you and he's like, 385 00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:18,599 well, you know, i'd be you know, you would call me a 386 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,200 syth or whatnot. Like they didn't even know what they were dealing with. 387 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,519 And I think that shows too they don't expect that. And if everyone that 388 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,599 knew that this was a Syth is killed and Keddy Mundy's gonna just stand on 389 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,599 that mountain even further when it comes to Phantom Menace, like, oh, 390 00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:37,000 the Syth had been extinct and that's too where we were getting deaths that I 391 00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:41,720 was not expecting in this episode. I guess for me, I just can't 392 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,480 I can't get there and I just can't buy it for him to be in 393 00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:48,920 that meeting, it just feels too odd. It's kind of like somebody being 394 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,680 like, oh, I have something really important to tell you meet me here 395 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,519 at eight pm. And then that person dies in like a scream movie, 396 00:24:53,559 --> 00:24:56,640 You're like, oh, I wonder if that person's a killer like what we 397 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,920 got in this episode for me for him to overhear that calm and then these 398 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,160 Jedi just to go missing in the forest, it just made And not that 399 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,319 Caddy Mannies is a big character, but I just feel like it's not even 400 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,440 needed. And for me, it's even more annoying when you hear that the 401 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,119 writer said Caddy Money even wasn't the original person. They want Yoda in that 402 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,400 meeting, which thank god Yoda wasn't that fucking meeting. But the only reason 403 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:18,759 they couldn't get it is because they couldn't get the budget in the time for 404 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:22,599 it, so they just like threw They were just like, we just need 405 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,960 somebody from that council. So that's for me where it's just like I don't 406 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,480 think thoughts being put into and I just I just can't buy that they wouldn't 407 00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:30,640 draw the lines. And I guess Caddy Mondy or you can just tell me 408 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,839 Catty Money is like the biggest fucking India of all time, which okay, 409 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,000 cool, I guess, But like I feel like that brings down the Jedi. 410 00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:40,880 I'm fine the hubrious of the Jedi and them not seeing things, but 411 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,079 when you start making it and I think they do that the Soul a little 412 00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:45,799 of this episode two, where like now they're just starting to make them dumb, 413 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,079 and I think that I don't like the Jedi being dumb. I like 414 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,799 them being arrogant and cocky and not seeing things completely through the bushes, but 415 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,640 just like kind of dumb space cops. It's like, man, that's really 416 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,400 disappointing. So for me, I I'll see what they do, but I 417 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,960 just think I don't think they can really re route that for me. Where 418 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,720 are you, Kirkling, because you weren't here for the controversy last week, 419 00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:12,519 so that was not I at this point in time, I'm just gonna I 420 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,519 think I'm just gonna wait and like really see how they're gonna handle it, 421 00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:22,279 because it I agree. I think Master Soul is a goner. Yes, 422 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,359 it would just not make sense if he makes out of this show. For 423 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:30,160 like the results of the Skywalker saga, specifically like the start of the the 424 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,240 prequels, I guess, but no, I I don't really know how this 425 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,880 Sith is gonna make it out without leaving too much evidence. He's already left 426 00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:45,880 a big blood trail, and especial because he's Jedi. Are It's not like 427 00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:49,319 this was the first time. They're already investigating the murder of three other Jedis, 428 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,960 so it's just like, yeah, I Jedi's murdered and then ten go 429 00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:56,680 missing that. It's also for me though, like I would believe if they 430 00:26:56,759 --> 00:27:02,000 just write it in the sense of like the Jedi are just so not like 431 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,920 they just don't possibly conceive that something like this could be out there, So 432 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,240 then it's just like, Okay, something's going on. I don't know if 433 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,880 it's just criminals or whatnot, or just some other manipulator of the force. 434 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,240 I like the idea of it not just being our only threat is the Sith, 435 00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:21,680 because they haven't had Sith as their threat for a very long time up 436 00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:23,559 until this point, right. I Mean, I'm limited in my High Republic 437 00:27:23,599 --> 00:27:29,359 knowledge, but I don't think the Sith. Yeah, So I think that's 438 00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:33,000 believable to an extent. The more you guys bring up the Kiyati Monday thing, 439 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:37,440 it does it I see holes in it for sure, especially just thinking 440 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:44,440 of his kind of stance in Phantom Menace. But because like last week when 441 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,759 or whenever I watched that episode, it was just like, oh, that's 442 00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:52,000 a cool little Easter egg, but like didn't really think about the whole implications 443 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:57,160 of what that means, because yeah, I think it. It didn't have 444 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:02,759 to be that character to like make that significant, and it actually, like 445 00:28:02,839 --> 00:28:04,759 to your point, Travis, like I think it. I think it just 446 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:10,039 adds some holes to the problem for error, which that because to me, 447 00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:11,799 it's like maybe they do right and then three weeks later we're like, oh, 448 00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:15,000 Okay, this is great and that's how they told it. But sometimes 449 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:18,920 I feel like the way this show drops things, we might not ever get 450 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:21,799 that we might not ever get a scene of the Council being told about these 451 00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:23,599 Jedis. I might just like, well, that happened at some point they 452 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,480 were told about the Jedi and nothing was happened, you know, and they 453 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:30,000 didn't care. Yeah, no, one nd percent. And like at this 454 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,839 point kind of in the High Republic era, like is the Jedi just so 455 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,240 vast that like it doesn't really matter if you lose a Jedi, Like it's 456 00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:41,640 just a fucking every life matters. But like mall top level, like there's 457 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,160 just so many. I kind of feel that is the case because Storm one 458 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,400 Jedi went missing the High Republic and they talked about him for entire book. 459 00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:52,720 I think that's because of his his accolades too, right, I think these 460 00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:57,519 different Jedi have different careers, and the ones that have more richer careers behind 461 00:28:57,559 --> 00:29:02,680 them are praised more as these these all time powerful Jedi beings. But in 462 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,640 this show, particularly every time we're on course, I'm even when they're not 463 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,680 the Jedi temple, like Osha is walking away and Master Soul catches up to 464 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,480 her, you see tons of Jedi walking and ter mingling with the crowd, 465 00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:18,240 just the civilians and behind like they're everywhere, all over the place in the 466 00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:22,039 city. So to me that just feels like, Okay, we're just like 467 00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:25,920 we're rich in this environment full of Jedi all over the place. And another 468 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:32,000 thing too, is like, is it really like unfathomable that Jedi can die? 469 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,599 Like I'm sure there's threats out there that Jedi are dying to, right, 470 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,759 So like if ten die, like, how many other teams Jedi are, 471 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,160 how many other Jedi are just like dying elsewhere in the universe, Like 472 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,079 I'm sure, they have a lot of issues as opposed to just this one 473 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,799 threat, which is kind of a number of Jedi dying though, that to 474 00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:53,640 me is a tough pill to swallow, especially this is the age where they 475 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,160 are the top shit. But they do, Let's say, they don't know 476 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,839 that the Jedi died. All they know is that, Okay, these Jedi 477 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,000 went to find kel Naka and they went missing in the forest. And that's 478 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,000 that's my biggest thing is that forest is three super dangerous though. Yeah, 479 00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:14,160 but they don't know necessarily that the that is linked to the other, the 480 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,160 other two murders, right, they don't know kil Naka has died because they 481 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,440 haven't heard from him in years and years and years. That's that's just where 482 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,559 I feel like the information is going to be getting murky because they're not going 483 00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:26,839 to know and are they going to go back there and try to find it, 484 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,759 and what if they don't find what where the fight took place? And 485 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,279 if they can't see the wounds, they can't see it was a lightsaber that 486 00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:36,039 causes these deaths, like the bodies are gone, who knows. Like there's 487 00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:38,799 a lot of other what ifs, and we have there's another trailer scene of 488 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,559 the Jedi Master, the green one with the laser whip and who knows what 489 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,839 happens with her at this point because I'm not sure when they're going to sneak 490 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,920 that and if she catches up and like finds Master Soul or maybe the sith 491 00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:56,240 Akal or Apprentice kills her. I'm calling him whatever his name is, apprentice 492 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,279 because yeah, but he's just the just for sure, he's trying to be 493 00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:06,799 he's trying to be. Oh he's a sith but he's he's the apprentice. 494 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:11,359 He's like Vader to to a Palpatine. At this point, I'm oh, 495 00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:15,240 at the last episode, I'm calling it, we're gonna see his master something. 496 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:18,519 I feel like you're intriguing me. Oh yeah, I feel like we're 497 00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:21,839 gonna say he's not he's not the top dog. He's serving someone else. 498 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,400 And it makes sense because he's like, I want an apprentice because I'm gonna 499 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,839 take out my master, and I want a pupil. He wants an accolade. 500 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:32,359 Yeah, there's always bigger fish. I'm calling him. Now, we're 501 00:31:32,359 --> 00:31:34,720 gonna see he's gonna he might bite it and get killed. And that final 502 00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:40,039 episode, I'm hoping you get that plaguist like I'm with Taylor, I'm with 503 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,240 Titlor just sold me with that monologue there. I love it. I would 504 00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:48,240 like that, but I think with how poorly was written for this reveal, 505 00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:51,359 I don't think we're going down that route. I think this is the guy. 506 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,799 No. Last week, all like every conversation he had was like, 507 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,440 this is the guy. This is the guy. So usually in store writing, 508 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:01,279 one on one, you go you make sure that's not the guy. 509 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,640 Has to be someone else because all the viewers the whole week, everyone's like, 510 00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:07,920 well, it's this fucking dude, and then what happened it's this fucking 511 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,640 dude. I liked his performance. I thought he did a really good job. 512 00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:15,440 I think they gave him some shit lines of like you were hitting, 513 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:16,960 He's like, well that was the mask was for It's like, oh God, 514 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,119 like this is like I I think some of the lines that gave him, 515 00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:22,920 I know somebody like, oh, what's a new sith? It just 516 00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:28,920 was not. It felt more like that was my worry about making him the 517 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,880 villain, and what my hope was kudos to him looking great. Dude's in 518 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,680 great shape. When he had those sleeves, all those arms came out. 519 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,759 Yeah, good for him, Like not many like Sith and Jenner like great 520 00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:44,160 shape really until like we got to Kylo Ren right, so it's like Hayden 521 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,440 was too, so like a couple of them, right, I guess it's 522 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:50,359 a Sith but so I I liked his acting. I think it's just some 523 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,160 of the dialogue they gave him and he what I was hoping for is they 524 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:58,559 talked about Okay, we were inspired by the what was it, Kira Tira, 525 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,359 what was the fucking name that we talked about? Uh, Kirklan Crey 526 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,359 Andrea. The thing is there is similarities, but like there is like a 527 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:12,160 difference of a personality. So when he first gets the mask off, he's 528 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,839 look like, oh here comes like a different personality, but he's kind of 529 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:21,400 like the same smuggler potions type of dude, which wasn't really screaming stiff to 530 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,200 me, but I'm down, like I'll take the open take for it. 531 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:28,440 But it just I think for me, it was poorly poorly in the reveal 532 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,519 because like we just we we knew it wasn't a reveal. It was just 533 00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:35,039 that was the guy, like they dropped it. It felt very much like 534 00:33:35,079 --> 00:33:37,680 the animated shows that are meant for kids, and that sucks. So that 535 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,240 way for me, Taylor you're pitching. I can't get on board with Oh, 536 00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:44,519 there there's some great master planning, great finalitey coming up. Maybe I'll 537 00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:49,119 be surprised, and that happened, But with how they just literally just open 538 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,119 face showed like this is the guy, and they took no effort to I 539 00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:55,799 think, make a reveal, like there's so much stuff like oh, tell 540 00:33:55,839 --> 00:34:00,680 me about Master Soul like last week and now like it's just all this stuff 541 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,599 where it's just I don't know they they I just think they keep making multiple 542 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,800 errors. So I am intrigued where we're going at the end. But I 543 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,760 hated the reveal. And there's other things I hated about the fight to which 544 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,679 we'll get into. So I feel like, again, we didn't this this 545 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,239 is probably way off, but we didn't see Palpatine all in the Obi Wan 546 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,320 show until the very end. You get a brief little thing with Vader having 547 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,639 his little communication with Palpatine, and I feel like you could get something similar 548 00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:31,519 to that in this case where final episode the real Master's Apprentice dies, this 549 00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:35,480 guy dies and then you get him on I don't know. Maybe he's on 550 00:34:35,519 --> 00:34:37,199 a call or doing something. You just see his face and he's like, 551 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,320 I need he's dropping the Palpatine line fro an event of the seth. I 552 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,960 need a new apprentice, far younger, more powerful and just setting up like, 553 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,159 okay, play guess is looking out for I don't think you're competaus though 554 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:51,119 I think this is I think Mario's right. He's definitely the apprentice on his 555 00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:53,079 own apprentice. So they agree with you there, one of the moms has 556 00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:55,800 to be his master, and that's what I think. I don't think if 557 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,360 if your scenario is true, I think they'll try. And which is gonna 558 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,400 be annoying because everyone was like, well, it's either him or it's one 559 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,960 of the mothers, Like can't when don't we ever get it's just gonna be 560 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,880 a fucking dude or somebody. You know, why does it have to be 561 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,920 somebody? Because it's kind of a dude, like what else? But we 562 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,480 met him, we've been him for four episodes, Like I would have loved 563 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,360 that helmet, but no, I meant like I would have loved the helmet 564 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,639 came off and this is the first time we ever saw this person act hadn't 565 00:35:20,639 --> 00:35:22,280 have been in the show nothing like just and it would be like fuck, 566 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,840 like what is this character? Consequence that way though, right, because if 567 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,559 it's potentially like a sith Master who's just this unnamed man, and then you 568 00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:32,960 have all these fucking people going crazy on the Internet of like this person's not 569 00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:37,280 in Wikipedia before like like yeah, his age. But that's when you build 570 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,920 the legend. That's when you get the fun because that's the blank canvas of 571 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,199 who is this character? Now he's this smuggler who's so then we have someone 572 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,400 that's like before Plagis that's just like a new relevant like sith Master, like 573 00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:52,000 the Chief's uncle or something like Caddy Mundy like you oh yeah, no, 574 00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:57,480 you're right. I think one hundred percent they will. I don't there was 575 00:35:57,519 --> 00:36:00,760 a time that I thought Plagis and Palatine would be in the show. I 576 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,280 don't think so anymore. I think it will be somebody was before a Plagus 577 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,039 or something like that, because they don't. I'm not gonna say, don't 578 00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:10,039 give a ship, but I think they will look at whatever like we're this 579 00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:15,880 is our time. So I if we can replay this clip over if it 580 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,320 happens, I don't think the master of him is gonna be Plagas or anything 581 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,679 like an original character. Are you thinking Plagas is Master Darris because people have 582 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,679 been throwing that name around even that would have been great, Like if this 583 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:30,679 guy is Darth Tenibris, this guy is not he took center could be right, 584 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,920 I guess he was a what was it? What is it? Like 585 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,920 a biff? I think was he in canon? Though? Was he a 586 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,480 Biff and canon? Or was he a Biff in legends? We could be 587 00:36:44,559 --> 00:36:50,000 this could be tenor Ris right now? Who's gonna train Plagas? And like 588 00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:53,280 that's what I mean, Like the real the reveal, the reveal I would 589 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,280 have done, is you could do a Plagus or a Tenebris. But it'd 590 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,079 be great if like it's just that and only the people know. But the 591 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,440 like the people that are watching don't feel lost because it's a new character to 592 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,880 everybody in the show. It's not like this big like they take off the 593 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,199 helmet and souls like Doc Tenna Bruce and it's like the views of the viewers 594 00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:14,039 like who the fuck is this guy? Like I don't know who he is, 595 00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:17,320 but like that's how like you reveal the character if some fans know him, 596 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,159 great, but and again, I just it's just my wish of like 597 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,199 the twists didn't work. They did, Like were were you guys surprised? 598 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,320 I was him? Like that's my thing. I don't think anyone's surprised. 599 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,360 So to me, when it's like this big reveal of someone dies and the 600 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,679 helet comes off and he moves lightsabers and he moves his arms and he does 601 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,519 that bit like the big like just don't make it a big reveal, just 602 00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:40,480 like have his helmet come off and it's him, not like oh my god, 603 00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:45,639 it was like even then like he forced chokes May and he's like you 604 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,440 never even knew it was me, Like they're trying to make you feel like 605 00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:51,800 this was a bit like we got you, and they didn't do that at 606 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,199 all. That's I think. It's just the execution of this big reveal, 607 00:37:54,239 --> 00:38:00,920 which I don't think it's a reveal fair. I feel like I wasn't shocked, 608 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:01,800 but like when it happened, it's like, okay, here was that 609 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,559 guy, Like yeah, of course I haven't been on your guys like reviews 610 00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:09,559 as of late, so we haven't like talked about it and discussed it. 611 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,880 I I like the review because I I feel like it was the perfect level 612 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:20,159 for kind of what this character is. Like if it was plagueis you know, 613 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,800 yeah, obviously I need a big We don't know his name yet, 614 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:30,119 right, it could be God. That would be a fucking I'm just I'm 615 00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:32,320 just saying, buckle up, you know. I I I liked it because 616 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,559 it's like, okay, we have not only is the look something new, 617 00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:42,599 then at least I've experienced from these live action like Sith threats. He's got 618 00:38:42,639 --> 00:38:45,840 like the scary mask. I'm not a big fan of the scary mask, 619 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,239 but hey, at least it's something different, right, Like it's not just 620 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:55,840 like a Vader rip off, it's it's smile. They add some creepiness to 621 00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,920 it. But I yeah, I don't know. I I thought his mannerisms. 622 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,119 Was a big fan of it. But at least give them credit for 623 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:07,519 something different than like just a very like rigid type character that just does force 624 00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:13,719 powers like like actually very agile threat. I really loved all the hand like, 625 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,840 I really liked the fight actually overall, like I thought all the hand 626 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,000 to hand that he was doing uh when he turned off, like when he 627 00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:23,280 snaps your neck yourd's neck. Oh man, I was like, fuck, 628 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,519 yeah that was that was vicious. I like that. And then when he 629 00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:32,960 takes out uh yeah, oh like the triple dot like a predator attack. 630 00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:37,800 Like I loved it. So I really liked his performance. I think in 631 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,880 that whole sequence, I agree with you, Travis. I thought like the 632 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:45,519 dialogue was pretty weak, but he was really good. But yeah, no, 633 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,280 just like finish off my thoughts on the reveal. I thought it was 634 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:54,719 a good level for what this show is. Yeah, yeah, I mean 635 00:39:54,760 --> 00:40:00,239 I I just I think the combat was wonderful this I'm not an overly huge 636 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:05,599 fan of the combat that we got in the sequel trilogy with the Lightsabers. 637 00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:09,199 I am someone who is easily there for the original and the prequel. I 638 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,719 love that kind of different Jedi fight stance as they got going on, and 639 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,159 here I think that there's again the dialogue, of course, it's questionable when 640 00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:22,239 Yord's talking about how, oh he's not adhering to the rules of engagement or 641 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,119 something like that, It's like, of course not. This fucker's trying to 642 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,719 kill you and he's gonna take every advantage that he can get. But again, 643 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,920 it shows that over confidence and that cockiness of the of the Jedi, 644 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:37,599 and each Jedi here has a very different mentality and they've developed along their own 645 00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:40,599 path and it's reflected very well on the fight here because it focuses on Soul 646 00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:45,639 Jeckie and Jord, and I think it's it's interesting to see how their fates 647 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:51,840 kind of unfold as they're engaging the Sith Lord. So yeah, Ord, 648 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,880 I mean he he definitely doesn't last very long, but I think everything with 649 00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:00,360 the scythe Lord and his fighting was sick. When he a couple of notable 650 00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:06,519 moments when he swings around and like stabs his lightsaber through the one late lady 651 00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:09,239 Jedi and used the force to pull the other Jedi and like fucking in pales 652 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,239 like behind her into the saber and then swings and cuts their heads off. 653 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,599 That was cool. And yet just the way he actually his lightsaber is I'm 654 00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:20,719 not sure if it's a full secondary blade, but he's got his main saber 655 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,239 and he unclips and pulls it off and it's almost like a shorter version and 656 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:29,239 just pops three quick ones into Jeki. That caught me off guard. I 657 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,119 was like, holy fuck, like she just died. And yeah, when 658 00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:35,639 he took out Yord too. That was crazy. And my favorite thing is 659 00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:37,920 how his helmet and his gauntlet. I thought he was wearing bestcar, but 660 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,880 then when he actually has it where it kind of like shatters and disables the 661 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,960 Jedi sabers temporarily. That is such a cool, a cool thing. I 662 00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:51,840 really really like that. It made me kind of think of it's different. 663 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,599 But you remember Travis in the was a Master and Apprentice book where they had 664 00:41:57,159 --> 00:42:00,159 they were able to affect the lightsabers. I think they wanted to switch to 665 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,800 kiber crystals inside uh Qui gon obi Wan's sabers so that they wouldn't work on 666 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,880 them or it would fuzz them out or whatever. Yeah, and it was 667 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,039 supposed to show that technology isn't perfect obviously, But yeah, I just think 668 00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:15,639 that that was really really cool and you would need that in this world where 669 00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:19,679 there's many a Jedi right where it's like not saying like sure, I'm sure 670 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,639 Darfate would like to have that building with other people, but with this, 671 00:42:22,679 --> 00:42:25,719 when you could be going up against multiple Jedi, it would be good to 672 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,639 take out their sword for a little bit. So yeah, no, I 673 00:42:29,679 --> 00:42:31,000 agree with all that stuff. I like the way he moved. I liked 674 00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:34,480 his look as far as yeah, him being Jack, but just like the 675 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,039 way that it was kind of a he had the thing on and then like 676 00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:39,559 he like some of his skin was revealed, some wasn't, So I think 677 00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:42,480 it was a good look. I'm still, like I said on the helmet, 678 00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:45,159 I'm iffy on it. I go back and forth on it. But 679 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,079 I like his design. And yeah, I thought the fights for the most 680 00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:51,119 part was great. I don't think it was anything stand out. So that's 681 00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:52,639 why I go the other side of like Taylor, where I couldn't like like 682 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,320 Ray and Kylo in the woods and the snow. Like to me, I'm 683 00:42:55,360 --> 00:43:00,519 putting that above that because like it has the just certain in photography and themetrical 684 00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:06,079 things that are much better. I liked the little mini sword. That was 685 00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:08,719 cool. So yeah, I liked the fight. I am interested to see 686 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,559 how people feel about him getting taken up by the bugs, because I feel 687 00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:15,840 like I just got flashbacks of King and ant Man. I'm like, oh 688 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,880 man, people are gonna fucking hate this. And it's just because it's the 689 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,280 exact same scene, right it's bugs take out the main villain first time you 690 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,559 fight him and It's like, oh, I can see the memes already about 691 00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:28,679 this, this weak Sith guy getting taken out by the bugs, like he 692 00:43:28,679 --> 00:43:31,320 didn't lose, but neither the King, right, Like King technically lost to 693 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,960 ant Man, but everyone just always brings up he lost those bugs, and 694 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,400 I just feel like that's what's gonna happen. I saw him again, permanent 695 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,920 death. You know, you see me after that scene, after that scene 696 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,039 he fights Paul Rudd. That's what happens. That's what I mean. Everyone 697 00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:46,280 has revisious history. They say Kang got beat by ants, but he didn't. 698 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,800 He gets out of there and Scott Lane makes him small. But that's 699 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,599 what I just. I just I'm wondering when I saw Carrie Way, like, 700 00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:55,559 oh no, he's getting the King Ants treatment, Like we don't do 701 00:43:55,679 --> 00:43:59,719 that. Even though it was like a kind of a fun way for oshit 702 00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:01,599 come out. So No. I think the fight scenes were all good. 703 00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:04,800 I don't think I would put them in the Great Scene. But I think 704 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,960 what made it memorable was the length of it, Like how long it's going. 705 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,719 It kind of reminds me of like if you got to see Anakin at 706 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,920 the Jedi count like Temple killing all those Jedi right, it's kind of like 707 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,599 that way where it's like an exhibition. I am my complaint here again, 708 00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:24,440 like a broken record, is we just don't have enough time for I don't 709 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:29,280 give a shit about Jordan Jackie dyeing now and now that again affects the show 710 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:34,280 more for me, going back where already we were like we need more time 711 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,639 with these characters, with these storylines, with these connections, and now knowing 712 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,199 episode five is their end, and these small amounts they were in the first 713 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,559 episodes, it's just again like either just shit or get off the pot, 714 00:44:46,639 --> 00:44:51,639 decide to go longer episodes, or don't introduce these many characters, just leave 715 00:44:51,639 --> 00:44:54,159 it a soul and have a bunch of randoms like to me and daphink that's 716 00:44:54,199 --> 00:44:58,519 the thing. Like I like Jackie because Daphne Keen she does a great job, 717 00:44:58,599 --> 00:45:00,440 but they did give me no reason to really care about her. They 718 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:05,320 gave me no reason to care about your It's just it's just frustrating. It's 719 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:10,920 it's I it's just like a from the ground up level of writing that I 720 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,360 have an issue with now knowing that's their fate. I think I could have 721 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,719 been fine with losing one of them, but losing both of them and we 722 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,639 hardly knew. Ye, it's just I don't know again, Yeah, we 723 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,599 watching the show. I think it'll hurt me more so, didn't It wasn't 724 00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:27,119 a fan of that, That's fair. I definitely felt more for the Jekie 725 00:45:27,199 --> 00:45:30,199 death than your no one likes you word. Unfortunately, no Ord. If 726 00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:34,440 you asked me at the beginning, like who's gonna die? No money's on 727 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,920 your to survive. That guy is I don't know. It just doesn't seem 728 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:44,079 confident in himself or anything. But we didn't. Let's you struggle to like, 729 00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:47,519 like tell tell me five, tell me three personality traits about your or 730 00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:52,239 Jeckie or like even the twins. It's like it's so hard to come up 731 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:57,639 with them because these fucking twenty seven minute episodes, you know. I I 732 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,440 like the fact that we had a lot of Jedi here. I love whenever 733 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:05,960 we have a single red lightsaber just popping off on all these multicolors and just 734 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,960 just destroying them, like just it. It just shows I feel like the 735 00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:15,559 dilution of Jedi and just because there is so many you have a lot of 736 00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:19,039 Yords in your crew, you know, like there who's the survivor of this 737 00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:22,239 pack. You have Master Soul who's like, yeah, okay, he's a 738 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,480 He's a true master, and that's felt like it Like, I like how 739 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:30,000 a character like that stands out amongst the Jedi where he is a survivor and 740 00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:34,559 it's not just because he has like a personal tie or something to to our 741 00:46:34,639 --> 00:46:37,519 villain. So yeah, I like the quantity of Jedi that we're just getting 742 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:45,199 off here because it just again it shows like the the viciousness and just disregard 743 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,800 for like a rule of engagement for the Sith, because they're just doing whatever 744 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,360 they need to to just win and just power is everything, and the Jedi 745 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,679 just have these rules and that's what holds them back. So I like that 746 00:46:54,960 --> 00:47:01,159 demonstration. I like also that we have characters that we at least know of 747 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:07,440 dying. It's not just like random dude one with the blue lightsaber. I 748 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:12,079 wish maybe we just had more scenes of Jackie, more more than Yord, 749 00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:16,639 and then have like at least Yord's interaction with Osha and may Or. I 750 00:47:16,639 --> 00:47:21,760 guess it's just Osha especially they talk about like how much they knew each other. 751 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,000 Yeah, and that was the one conversation they had about it, and 752 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,360 that was it. So I would have been fine if we just like had 753 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,119 that conversation and then seeing him a couple of times and then he just dies, 754 00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,800 where Like I feel like some of his other dialogue with May that just 755 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,360 went nowhere could have been or Osha, I keep interchanging their names. Just 756 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:42,880 replace that with more like Jecki moments, or maybe have that character with our 757 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,400 other characters just more and maybe you get that if you have a longer run 758 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:50,360 time. I don't know, like I would have liked to see that particular 759 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,480 character more, but I also like just the consequence of Okay, we at 760 00:47:54,559 --> 00:47:59,000 least have two characters that we know of that died here, and then all 761 00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:01,679 the other Jedis of course that perished. But I don't know, it's it's 762 00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:07,000 a it's a tough balancing act because especially when you're limited to your runtime that 763 00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:09,719 you have. So I don't know if that's just remedied by doing longer episodes. 764 00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:14,320 I don't know if that's really their decision or whatnot. But yeah, 765 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:20,880 Taylor, your thoughts on the Fallen Jedi. I mean, I just wasn't 766 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:27,079 expecting to get your and Jackie to be falling, and I just caught me 767 00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:30,000 off guard with their deaths too. And I thought for sure that we were 768 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,239 going to get most of these Jedi coming out on top at least, not 769 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,920 at most, but are ones that have been named that we've been following since 770 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:42,599 the first episode is just body fucking the plagueist Junior kill them. Yeah, 771 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:49,519 But that would have that absolutely would have detract for me, the everything with 772 00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:52,440 Keddy money and the dialogue and their little small council meaning all that stuff, 773 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:53,920 and just the Sith returning. It would have detracted all of that. But 774 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:58,480 the fact that the only ones still alive is Master Soul, that that reaffirms 775 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,599 where I feel like, Okay, there's there's a lot of stuff kind of 776 00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:05,000 hidden in this dialogue that they're saying. And Master Sol being the one to 777 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,119 come out on top, I totally I like that. And it's not even 778 00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:14,639 because he was the better fighter yet well he almost did actually get him, 779 00:49:14,679 --> 00:49:15,800 I guess, but again that would have been out of anger. That would 780 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,280 have been a bad place for the Jedi to do that, because he would 781 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,480 have I mean, it would have been executing. It would have been Anakin 782 00:49:21,519 --> 00:49:29,000 and Dooku in episode three and so Ultimately it was the the flying tree beadles, 783 00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:31,039 the bugs that took him took him out. And at one point you 784 00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:34,119 were gonna say, like, oh, he survived, and I came you 785 00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:36,960 were trying off. But I was gonna say because of plot armor, because 786 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,880 two times they did it where for some reason in O playus Junior, I'm 787 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,559 just gonna call him that for now, and just to piss everyone off, 788 00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:46,599 playis Junior gets sold down and then he just disappears. And then later on 789 00:49:46,639 --> 00:49:51,079 the episode when he's fighting Jackie, he takes out one of our lightsabers, 790 00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:53,320 and what does he do? He just disappears. Why he doesn't execute these 791 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:59,679 people then makes it literally no sense, especially Soul who's like on the ground. 792 00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:01,159 But it's because they gotta have a big fight scene there so they can 793 00:50:01,199 --> 00:50:05,239 die in front of oh Sha and everything in May right, but just like 794 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,880 why, like it's just it made no sense. I can kind of go 795 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:15,039 with you on the Jackie one, because he sees he sees May running, 796 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,280 so I guess he has to catch her. But then they do have a 797 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,599 shot, which I think there's some fun. Like I said, I'm trying 798 00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:23,760 not to be like completely negative. I think the fights are great. There's 799 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,119 some great like that's the stuff where if I were just to watch that a 800 00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:30,599 bottle like somebody to fan film. Okay, great fights. There's this weird 801 00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:37,440 fucking shot this uber zoom in on plagis Junior's face where he's like you, 802 00:50:37,039 --> 00:50:40,159 actually, it's more like you can't ro you can't get away from me, 803 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,800 May you and my bubble. That's when he's in her head. But like 804 00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,039 they make it like he's running because they show his face and there's trees and 805 00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:51,599 he's moving it like a rapid rate. So it's like, again, if 806 00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:53,920 he can move that fast, why does he not just like yeah, kill 807 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,480 Jack and and like I'm running like they May. It seem like, oh, 808 00:50:57,519 --> 00:50:59,800 I have to get every where she's escapes, but he's like he turns 809 00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,960 into fucking Ezra Miller, who this guy already looks like, and you just 810 00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:06,599 like speak what you can you can force run. So I again the little 811 00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:09,440 things where they just needed the characters to be alive for some reason and then 812 00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:13,320 killed them later, and I like, I mean, you're not wrong. 813 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,239 I just figured it. Okay, like May is his main target here because 814 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:20,280 May was gonna who knows exactly how much May knows. I mean, it's 815 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:25,199 it's hard to say for sure if she she was willing to just expose all 816 00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,280 of that, and so for him, it's like, okay, yeah, 817 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,360 May you're you're my target number one. You're the person I want to go 818 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,400 and kill. And the Jedi are kind of there, but she keeps on 819 00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:37,920 get Like her escape scene was crazy because she kept trying to like go and 820 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:42,400 go and go, and uh, I thought that was an interesting sequence when 821 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,079 she was trying to run away and you have Jackie and you have Soul just 822 00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:50,760 kind of like zig zaging around her and like every time the Master was jumping 823 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,760 around trying to like slash at her, like you have Jackie dive in and 824 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,719 like block a Sean whatnot? Which seeing the dual wields, it's been a 825 00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,559 good minute since we've seen dual wields and have action, So I really appreciate 826 00:52:00,599 --> 00:52:07,239 that just happened. Last year we just had a Soca dude. Oh well 827 00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:12,360 different, different, different. How the character uses two fucking lights different color, 828 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,440 different color, very different. No, that's right, that's right. 829 00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:22,280 That has the dual wheels. We don't see that in in the Revenge of 830 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,199 the Sith though, that was only in battle Front too that we got to 831 00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,679 I don't remember in Clone Wars actually, I think it was just one Saber 832 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,280 if I had to put money on it. But you're right, I I 833 00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,239 redact that. Ahsoka, Absolutely, that was definitely two Sabers. For some 834 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,239 reason, my mind was going back, Oh no again, there was even 835 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:45,400 in bulb effect because we had color in Beck so they've been they've been dabbling 836 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,840 back into that. My mind was going back to Attack of the Clones, 837 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,320 thinking, oh, Anakin was the last one used to sas, so I 838 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:57,599 was really back to recap. I guess Revenge of the Sith when he decapped 839 00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:02,079 count. I can't remember. Fucking they do and ride the Skywalker as well, 840 00:53:02,199 --> 00:53:06,320 don't think because at one point doesn't Ray have both Lightsabers, doesn't cout, 841 00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:10,079 she just blocks the lightning. All the Jedi, she's just blocking the 842 00:53:10,159 --> 00:53:14,559 lightning. I mean, full combat. I love like, Oh it hasn't. 843 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,320 It's been a while since we've got them. There's like three now, 844 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,960 big occasions of her. It's happening, the dual little thing, you know. 845 00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:25,719 So yeah, okay, let's talk about me. Last week. If 846 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:30,000 I'm wrong, someone correct me. She started the episode she was with the 847 00:53:30,039 --> 00:53:35,039 Master, gonna kill the Wookie, right, change your mind decided. Now 848 00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:37,760 that Oshan is alive, that changes everything. I'm gonna go tell the Jedi 849 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:42,760 what's happening, and I'm gonna be with Ocean turn myself in. So this 850 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:47,400 week she gets a chance to turn herself in, doesn't do that. She 851 00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,960 has a chance to. As of last week, she said she was gonna 852 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,800 work with the Jedi. Let them know. This episode she is actively because 853 00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,960 I was watching for it. During the fight, she's actively trying to kill 854 00:53:58,039 --> 00:54:01,559 Jeckie. She's throwing blades in like her throat chest area, which we saw 855 00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:07,960 a few episodes. Go kill fucking Trinity, right. I don't understand what 856 00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:12,159 is going on with this character at all, where we've had three weeks in 857 00:54:12,159 --> 00:54:16,079 a row now, where their allegiances maybe even four are all over the place. 858 00:54:16,159 --> 00:54:21,440 If she wanted to work with the Jedi and help them or turn herself 859 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,840 in, why is she trying to murder Jekie in this episode? Her allegiance 860 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:29,599 was always to Osha, right in this case, That's what we see reaffirmed 861 00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:32,239 here. So the reason she's trying to murder Jekie is because Jackie is now 862 00:54:32,639 --> 00:54:37,519 getting in her way. The whole situation has completely kind of done because the 863 00:54:37,519 --> 00:54:39,480 Master showed up, and so the Master killed a bunch of Jedi. She's 864 00:54:39,519 --> 00:54:42,760 seen this, and she thinks, Okay, first of all, I'm not 865 00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,760 safe with these Jedi. He's gonna kill everyone. I need to get out 866 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,800 and just find Osha. And so when the situation has changed like this, 867 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,920 that's why she's like, you know, Jackie, you're you're gonna handcuff me 868 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,079 and then the Master's gonna kill us both. I need to get the hell 869 00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:55,840 out of here and get you out of my way so I can go find 870 00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:01,880 Osha and like make my I need happen happen with her. So I think 871 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:07,159 the moment her plans derails and she renounces turning herself into get to Osha and 872 00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:12,639 whatnot is because the ten Jedi that are there are no longer like it's it's 873 00:55:12,679 --> 00:55:15,239 not even a factor. It's the Master's here and the Master. She knows 874 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:16,920 what the Master is capable of, and that totally changes the whole context of 875 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:21,719 the situation. Again, I think it's just like kind of someone else he 876 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,320 said this episode, where I think someone that does work, But it's that's 877 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,960 not in the show, right, we don't get the same thing as like 878 00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:31,480 John, you say, like she said that the queen what's his name again, 879 00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:36,519 fucking kymier kym Here because she wasn't trusting him. I'm not sure she 880 00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:38,960 was ever gonna turn herself in. But the problem is she doesn't interact with 881 00:55:39,039 --> 00:55:43,000 anyone else. So all we have her is just last week saying I'm gonna 882 00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,000 turn myself in. That's saying it to him and the viewer. And this 883 00:55:45,079 --> 00:55:50,079 is the part where kime Here is tied up, hanging upside down. She 884 00:55:50,159 --> 00:55:52,199 has no reason to lie to him, she's outsmart him. So I just 885 00:55:52,199 --> 00:55:57,199 think this character they've just dropped the ball was so hard. I don't and 886 00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,960 I feel like this episode they made her back to just being overly kind of 887 00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:05,519 I won't say sithy, but more dark side bad person. Where again that 888 00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:07,559 turned last week with like, oh, I gotta OSHA's a lot that gotta 889 00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:10,000 change everything, which again even in this episode, it feels like she's like 890 00:56:10,039 --> 00:56:14,559 doesn't even like Osha anymore. She's just gonna leave Osha there to die, 891 00:56:14,599 --> 00:56:19,920 Like she knows the Master could probably find Osha, and if he does, 892 00:56:20,199 --> 00:56:22,599 she does not know for a fact, he's not gonna kill her. Where 893 00:56:22,679 --> 00:56:25,440 last week she said Osha being a live changes everything. She just left her 894 00:56:25,559 --> 00:56:30,760 for dead. Like this character is just it's one of the most poorly written 895 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,920 characters in Star Wars ever, and it sucks because I like the actress, 896 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,920 but the actions do not make sense with what this character says week to week 897 00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:42,920 and it keeps changing, and it's just that's odd for a character that, 898 00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,519 like I said, will do anything for her sister to now leave her there 899 00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:49,519 for dead at the end of this episode. I don't know, don't get 900 00:56:49,519 --> 00:56:53,960 it. I definitely see where you're coming from. I I feel like I 901 00:56:54,199 --> 00:56:59,360 would admit that May is probably like the lowest part of the show for me 902 00:56:59,559 --> 00:57:05,280 too, which she's crazy because that's like your lead. I don't know, 903 00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,000 like it like all valid points with what you're bringing up. I feel like 904 00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:15,320 it's tough to follow kind of wear her allegiance and like mind is at I 905 00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,559 thought I had that figured out. I was surprised when she was doing this 906 00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:22,119 like hero turn it felt as of last week like gonna go turn herself in 907 00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:25,599 and then it's just like they forgot about that, and you know, you 908 00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:29,719 can make the argument that it's all she's just trying to deceive certain people. 909 00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:34,800 But you know, like there's good ways to show a character deceiving someone, 910 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,599 and I don't think that was what this is. It's like she just it's 911 00:57:37,639 --> 00:57:39,960 like she just doesn't know what the fuck's going on, and she's just wishy 912 00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:43,159 washy, and she's like, now I just gotta get a crazy haircut to 913 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,440 just you know, like I'm just all over the place. Who knows what 914 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:52,440 I'm gonna do next. I'm like chop my own arm off. So yeah, 915 00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,239 And like even from like OSHA's perspective, like it just seems like she's 916 00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:00,639 so done with May as well, and May's keeps keeps bringing up like remember 917 00:58:00,679 --> 00:58:02,639 where we come from, Like you forgot our family, and like in the 918 00:58:02,679 --> 00:58:07,320 flashback, she was already fucking done with her family. Like it's just I 919 00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,079 don't know it was there driving point she didn't she did not want to be 920 00:58:10,119 --> 00:58:13,960 a part of that family. And it's like May's trying to win her back, 921 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,679 like remember remember when we were back there. It's like I do, 922 00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:20,840 and and I know you didn't like that, so but what I liked about 923 00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,719 it just for people that knew and when you were on it. I liked 924 00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,280 that for the first two episodes. It made it seem like all these sisters 925 00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:29,119 loved each other and they didn't know each other. We're alive. But I 926 00:58:29,239 --> 00:58:30,400 liked the twist of oh no, they grew up and they actually weren't the 927 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:34,519 closest. So that's why them meeting back up, it wouldn't be like an 928 00:58:34,519 --> 00:58:37,760 instant hug and love and we're back together. But like you said, May 929 00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,360 and this episode's pitching that, I was like, remember our lives. It's 930 00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:43,039 like, yeah, I fucking hated my life, sister, like I wanted 931 00:58:43,039 --> 00:58:45,239 to be a Jedi. I wanted to leave there. My mother said I 932 00:58:45,239 --> 00:58:47,159 could leave like you fucking burned a book and did this shit, which we 933 00:58:47,239 --> 00:58:52,639 still don't. I want that clarified because that was still super sloppy that episode. 934 00:58:52,719 --> 00:58:55,320 So I'm with you where it's just this character is all over the map, 935 00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,960 which sucks because it's a good actress. But I just yeah, I 936 00:58:59,199 --> 00:59:01,400 didn't get that speech either of like, well come back, like why, 937 00:59:01,519 --> 00:59:07,079 like I don't know why? What is again? We need more specifics and 938 00:59:07,159 --> 00:59:09,119 why she'd want to come back because she didn't want to do that and her 939 00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:13,159 whole life doesn't seem like she's been wanting to get back. The only things 940 00:59:13,159 --> 00:59:15,079 we've seen these episodes with her like rekindling of maybe want to be a Jedi 941 00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:17,159 again, never being like, man, I really wish I was a witch, 942 00:59:17,199 --> 00:59:20,400 you know, I really, I really fucked it up. I should 943 00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,400 have stayed with my family. It's been like, oh, I'm feeling the 944 00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,199 force, and now she's like hearing visions or hearing other people's thoughts. So 945 00:59:25,239 --> 00:59:29,639 it's like the Jedi stuffsmore waking. I'm not the witch thing. But that 946 00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:34,760 was another thing actually in like the third episode that just kind of, I 947 00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,159 guess, kind of bothered me. Was just like OSHA's. It seemed obsession 948 00:59:37,239 --> 00:59:40,480 with like Jedi, and it just seemed like she just wanted to be a 949 00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:43,920 Jedi since the day she was born, even though when she didn't know what 950 00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,880 the fuck Jedi were, and I would imagine she grew up here. The 951 00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:50,320 sisters are not very like they would learn about the Jedi. Yeah, they 952 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,360 got cool lightsabers. You could choose her colture like it's awesome. Yeah, 953 00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:57,480 Like it just seems so random of her, like I want to be a 954 00:59:57,559 --> 01:00:00,760 Jedi, and I get it. She could hate her her like she just 955 01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:05,159 wants to go and meet other kids. I think she was making that argument 956 01:00:05,159 --> 01:00:08,719 in the episode, but it just seemed very random that it's just like I'm 957 01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:13,320 just gonna be a Jedi now and I'm just gonna leave, and then the 958 01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,360 mother was just like, yeah, that's okay, you can do that. 959 01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,599 Like it. I just didn't like that whole execution there, and the whole 960 01:00:17,639 --> 01:00:22,000 decision to have the one sister that's really in it and the other sister that's 961 01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:27,320 just not I think it's just I would have preferred a different story I think 962 01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:31,880 for that origin. But where Osha is now give us the time where even 963 01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,800 if she doesn't learned about the may the Jedi show up and it is a 964 01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,760 forty five minute episode where OSHA's around the Jedi and talks the soul and builds 965 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,719 a connection like well what is the Jedi? And I talk about their principles 966 01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,480 and everything like that, like they she gets to learn like, oh, 967 01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:51,039 I would like to like what they do is something that I align with, 968 01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:52,760 not the idea of like the Jedi and lightsabers and the Force, just the 969 01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:57,159 idea of I see my life going this way and it aligns with what these 970 01:00:57,159 --> 01:00:59,920 people are even if you are not with them. It aligns with the jed 971 01:01:00,159 --> 01:01:04,119 I But yeah, yeah, uh, let's take another ad break and then 972 01:01:04,159 --> 01:01:08,280 we'll be right back. We're back. Let's just throw a few comments that 973 01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,880 Marius says, come here. Death is not trying to kill Mary Osha, 974 01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,960 which I think we agree with that one. He's trying to turn them Osha 975 01:01:15,079 --> 01:01:17,440 think he was manipulating them, like he say he's getting his head, which 976 01:01:17,519 --> 01:01:22,800 yeah, classic sith thing. The Wizard says, it's very possible that May 977 01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:27,360 and Osha are one person split into two bodies. They say and do and 978 01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,480 know things about the others, which could be true. It's also tough because 979 01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:34,119 like they both have the force, so that can also just be it right, 980 01:01:34,199 --> 01:01:36,960 like I know May calls it the thread, but like they do share 981 01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:39,480 the force, right, And then John says maybe Osha was brainwashing and they 982 01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:43,440 said maybe. But that's where like they got to write that, right. 983 01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,159 It can't just be like kind of like what Taylor will do, which I 984 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,679 Taylor's great Taylor. They should get on the writing staff because he'll explain it 985 01:01:49,719 --> 01:01:52,639 better than the show does. But they still have to show us that it 986 01:01:52,719 --> 01:01:59,599 can get a job at Wikipedia. Everybody's getting dual lightsabers. We haven't seen 987 01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:02,039 one of these reason in a while, Like the poster of All's movies are 988 01:02:02,039 --> 01:02:06,159 like a dual lightsabers. Again, they have to show us that, they 989 01:02:06,159 --> 01:02:07,880 have to tell us that. It can't just be like oh, May just 990 01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:12,559 saying like your brainwashed, your brainwashed again. Soul didn't talk, and I 991 01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:15,639 think is gonna say something, but they still don't explain, like what the 992 01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:20,519 fuck happened at the Witches right, because like they lit a book and everyone 993 01:02:20,639 --> 01:02:23,559 died, So I really want that explained because I hate the ending that episode 994 01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:30,199 because it's just so random. So I imagine I think Camire is gonna be 995 01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:36,320 the I think he's gonna spill the beans to May. There's a few there's 996 01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:40,239 a few interesting things here now. When Kimier was talking to Soul, he 997 01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:44,039 mentioned a few different things. The first one was you don't remember who I 998 01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:49,880 am and I'm That didn't imply the the like the market setting, because Soul, 999 01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:52,840 like, is he implying like you don't remember me in the market I 1000 01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:58,119 hope not. If you don't remember the drugs you bought from me, I 1001 01:02:58,159 --> 01:03:00,440 thought I thought the same thing as you I thought, oh, this is 1002 01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:04,239 a deeper meaning. It better not just be the fucking oh I was a 1003 01:03:04,239 --> 01:03:07,239 smuggler guy from a couple episodes ago. Yeah, it is. It is 1004 01:03:07,519 --> 01:03:09,719 deeper than that. That's how I felt, like, I hope as well. 1005 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,239 The other thing too, was he didn't want to take his helme off 1006 01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,760 because he didn't want to let masters get into his head. And that makes 1007 01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:20,119 me think, Okay, maybe that kind of goes hand in hand with how 1008 01:03:20,599 --> 01:03:24,480 he kind of did he lure in or bait oh show when she was a 1009 01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:27,559 child, like, hey, you want to be a Jedi, And that's 1010 01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:30,159 how maybe he got into her mind. And maybe again the whole theme with 1011 01:03:30,199 --> 01:03:37,480 this episode was getting inside your mind because Osha was talking about it to Or 1012 01:03:37,199 --> 01:03:40,679 because Yord was saying like, oh, he's just he's in my mind. 1013 01:03:40,719 --> 01:03:44,239 That couldn't get him out and he just creeps from there. And then Osha 1014 01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:45,440 was like, oh, you know, my my mother was able to do 1015 01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:49,719 that too a long time ago. So again there's hints again that you have 1016 01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:55,320 of the mother's connects. There is that, But you said something Travis last 1017 01:03:55,400 --> 01:04:00,800 week where you were saying that it's possible that maybe the mother's are working with 1018 01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,320 with a plagues like character too right, and we have to think too like 1019 01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:09,119 with that, I'm pretty sure you said that when we have when you have 1020 01:04:09,199 --> 01:04:13,679 to this context too of maybe let's say twenty years maybe fifteen, I'd say 1021 01:04:13,679 --> 01:04:16,400 twenty years actually when where she was a kid to that flashback to now, 1022 01:04:16,599 --> 01:04:18,599 that's a lot of time. And you look at Kime here, I mean, 1023 01:04:18,679 --> 01:04:24,360 yeah, he's he's around OSHA's. It's just gonna say so, I 1024 01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:28,679 mean, like, who you do have someone to me? It makes sense 1025 01:04:28,679 --> 01:04:31,280 where you have a Sith character working with these witches to create like a force 1026 01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:35,760 force children and and then not only like do you get what I'm saying, 1027 01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:40,800 I feel like that. I feel I still feel like he's a little too 1028 01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,760 young because though I think I can't remember what you pitch, you run a 1029 01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:45,480 role, so I don't want to interrupt you, but I thought you were 1030 01:04:45,079 --> 01:04:48,599 trying to pitch or saying something about him learning or get to I think, 1031 01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:53,079 like, I guess there's a chance that he's been trained from like a little 1032 01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,559 small child like they were, So I guess there's a possibility. I just 1033 01:04:56,599 --> 01:04:59,039 have to see I guess some backstory and if that could work, because he 1034 01:04:59,159 --> 01:05:02,280 to me, he seems pretty much their age, and that's exactly it. 1035 01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:06,719 So what happened? What I'm thinking here, hypothetically, you have the twins, 1036 01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:11,960 everything's going good, Jedi come in, soul does some force manipulation stuff. 1037 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,840 Possibly things kind of derail and now Plaguus is if it's Plaguus is out, 1038 01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:20,360 he doesn't have his four sensitive twins. And now all of a sudden, 1039 01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,679 the one mother, the Zabrek female, who's still kicking around because we 1040 01:05:24,719 --> 01:05:28,199 didn't see her die, people are speculating she's still around. People thought that 1041 01:05:28,199 --> 01:05:30,480 that was the master, but it's not. She's around. She was like, 1042 01:05:30,519 --> 01:05:34,440 Okay, we need to find someone here quick. We find Kimer, 1043 01:05:34,639 --> 01:05:39,679 get him in here, and then we work together and that kind of brings 1044 01:05:39,679 --> 01:05:43,840 the twins back into the fold here whatnot. But things kind of derail it 1045 01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,960 because if you look at where the mother is basically in cahoots with Kimeer, 1046 01:05:47,199 --> 01:05:51,400 would she approve of Kaymer saying you know what, may you're gonna rat us 1047 01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:56,519 out, I'm gonna execute you. Do you think she would approve of that? 1048 01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,039 Or I think I'm agreeing of Like that could be a stretch, but 1049 01:06:00,159 --> 01:06:05,199 that's that's where for me these next four or three episodes, whatever the result 1050 01:06:05,239 --> 01:06:10,079 and conclusion is, I feel like they're walking a very tight rope and I 1051 01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:12,480 think they're gonna fall. But I feel like there's a lot of scenarios. 1052 01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,320 But I think there's I think we had this the past few weeks when we 1053 01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:16,599 try to pitch stuff like, well, that doesn't work, and that might 1054 01:06:16,639 --> 01:06:19,800 not work, so there's a possibility, but there's all these things like even 1055 01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:24,079 then, I just don't the zabrack, Like, I don't buy why would 1056 01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:30,400 it? Was the mother like her partner saying like letting may or let Osha 1057 01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,360 go to the Jedi, right, why does that mean that Zabrak's gonna kill 1058 01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:36,440 like all her fellow like all the other witches Like that to me is also 1059 01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:40,719 like a huge leap of like I need a lot of backstory of why would 1060 01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:45,159 you massacre everybody there? We didn't get a scene where all of them voted 1061 01:06:45,199 --> 01:06:46,960 and she was out and voting and she's like, fuck everybody, like why 1062 01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,360 are you voting for the Jedi? It was no the mom said it you 1063 01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:53,480 could go, and like, well, I don't know, it's fifty to 1064 01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:57,920 fifty, but clearly they preferred mother Anissa so like for her to pull a 1065 01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,280 mole massacre on all the witches see like a big leap as well. And 1066 01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:04,960 now there's a lot Again with short episodes, it's hard because you have a 1067 01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:09,440 lot to squeeze in, and it's hard because you're not they're not squeezing everything 1068 01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:14,280 in to develop some of these characters. But do you potentially have this one 1069 01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,159 witch who kind of made a pact here with a syth like character and didn't 1070 01:07:17,239 --> 01:07:21,000 let the others know, and that's why you have them more open to the 1071 01:07:21,039 --> 01:07:24,039 fact, like, hey, the Jedier here, we don't like it, 1072 01:07:24,079 --> 01:07:28,119 but they're gonna do what they're gonna do. And then you have this zaback 1073 01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:30,440 mother who's like, well, I made this pact with this guy and he's 1074 01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:34,239 gonna kill like kill us all if I don't stick to it like I promised 1075 01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:40,400 the twins to him kind of a thing, right, Yeah, maybe again, 1076 01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,679 It's just like that's always my problem with the short run times is now 1077 01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,239 we pretty much go an hour left, give or take right. If there's 1078 01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,800 three episodes left, we got an hour and that and I imagine they're gonna 1079 01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,679 leave on somewhat of a cliffhanger. Who knows. They haven't announced the season 1080 01:07:51,719 --> 01:07:55,719 two that might come after the fact, so we'll see. I don't know 1081 01:07:55,719 --> 01:07:58,440 if it's gonna end on like a massive cliffhanger where we have to see the 1082 01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:00,840 season two. I feel like you almost have to do this because I don't 1083 01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,400 think you can wrap this all up in a bow in one season. I 1084 01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,320 really don't. So it's like, what do you want to focus on? 1085 01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,880 And if you do what you're talking about, like revealing all this stuff, 1086 01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:13,239 I feel like that's one episode down and then you got two episodes left of 1087 01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,399 present day stuff. I really don't know, And it could be the Zapbrack. 1088 01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:23,279 I agree with people's theory of she could have when people like Osha or 1089 01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:26,760 May says OSHA's brainwashed, maybe she brainwashed her or made her do that book 1090 01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,520 thing because she does like the black I think. I don't know. There's 1091 01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:31,439 a lot of routes. I don't think any of them are particularly clean right 1092 01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:35,479 now, but I'll have to wait and see to like episode eight, really 1093 01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:42,439 but Kirkling, any thoughts on where going? And two things before you go? 1094 01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:45,680 The Wizard says Osha told you or that she saw her mother fight a 1095 01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:47,640 Jedi. For example, yeah, but why would that make her want to 1096 01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:49,960 be a Jedi? That doesn't make much sense. And I feel like the 1097 01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,680 mother right awaybe that's the enemy. I don't think it'd be like, man, 1098 01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,159 this person's at attacking my mother, that's what I want to grow up 1099 01:08:56,199 --> 01:09:00,279 to be. But maybe everyone deals with everything else. That's a jump. 1100 01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,079 Jam Mara says, what do you think the duality of the episode titles? 1101 01:09:02,079 --> 01:09:06,079 We got double titles Destiny and yeah, yeah we do. Yeah, Like, 1102 01:09:06,199 --> 01:09:09,760 I know it sounds dumb, but like I literally think it's just because 1103 01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:13,439 it's twins and they just wanted to like that's their gimmick. That's all. 1104 01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:15,920 That's my opinion. I think it's just for me the writing the show and 1105 01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:17,319 so far. I don't think it's some big, deeper meaning. I think 1106 01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:19,840 it's just like, hey, wouldn't it be cool because there's twins if we 1107 01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:26,079 had double episodes, That's what I think. I didn't even notice that the 1108 01:09:26,119 --> 01:09:30,479 episodes were. I remember like Lost, Found Revenge, Justice, and then 1109 01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:34,560 I think episode three was just Destiny, so just nothing really tied to that. 1110 01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:41,560 But I guess just the overall show and in general. Any thoughts on 1111 01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:50,199 the question light, what are your thoughts on the I guess it ties a 1112 01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:54,199 little bit while we talked about with the beginning of like is is the Apprentice, 1113 01:09:54,199 --> 01:09:57,560 but the idea of like the zab rack may oh, like all that 1114 01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,279 stuff, like what's gonna be revealed here? With like what really went down 1115 01:10:00,319 --> 01:10:03,399 here? Because Soul said he had something to tell Oh shit, it didn't 1116 01:10:03,399 --> 01:10:05,840 happen in this episode. He's still alive. Everyone thought he was gonna get 1117 01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:10,399 the Edward Stark treatment where he would get killed off right away, but he 1118 01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:14,800 isn't. He is with uh may now, so that might not be the 1119 01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:16,600 exact rep Yeah, what do you what do you think is gonna happen here 1120 01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:21,680 or if it does happen. Yeah, I think there's definitely still a lot 1121 01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:29,359 more meat on the like the Witch's bone to just talk about the survivors, 1122 01:10:29,359 --> 01:10:31,920 I guess and got a problem with how I drink stuff, Taylor, no 1123 01:10:32,079 --> 01:10:38,439 laughing bone? Okay? Good? Yeah, I think there's more there. 1124 01:10:40,279 --> 01:10:44,199 I definitely now that like we talk about it more, I am starting to 1125 01:10:44,199 --> 01:10:49,600 think that there is going to be a significant tie to our Minni Palpatine whatever 1126 01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:55,000 the fuck you called him, and uh, it's like Junior and the Witches. 1127 01:10:55,079 --> 01:10:59,079 I I just think it's it's something so left unanswered that it's going to 1128 01:10:59,159 --> 01:11:03,159 have to be one and the same to just really like hit home OSHA's decision. 1129 01:11:03,319 --> 01:11:06,920 I think, to like go on the Jedi route. She's already was 1130 01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:12,680 stand offish with her her upbringing and her family there and and just the other 1131 01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:16,920 sisters. But I think if we get a revealed that it's it's more than 1132 01:11:17,039 --> 01:11:21,520 just like a I don't know, she felt odd like or she felt like 1133 01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:25,680 an outcast, like she wanted to leave. I think it's they will go 1134 01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:30,399 the route that there is something that's really against just where she aligns. I 1135 01:11:30,399 --> 01:11:31,640 guess if you want to just call it that on the light side of the 1136 01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,920 force, to just see that as the enemy, I think. I think 1137 01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:41,520 Soul also will reveal something that upsets her. I don't know exactly what it 1138 01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:46,479 would be, but just something to kind of put Osha in an unwary place. 1139 01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:49,640 And I definitely think that could come like while he's on death's door, 1140 01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:54,239 like he's about to just die, and it's when he reunites with the real 1141 01:11:54,239 --> 01:11:58,000 Oshan, is what you're saying, Cause remember he's not with Osha right now, 1142 01:11:58,199 --> 01:12:01,880 he's with May and disguise. Remember, Wow, I actually completely missed 1143 01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,720 that, so that makes a lot more sense. Now, Yeah, do 1144 01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:09,439 you remember when May cut her hair? Do you see that part? Yeah? 1145 01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:14,039 And okay, so I was very confused why what happened with Plegas Junior 1146 01:12:14,079 --> 01:12:17,399 and why he just found he's on the ship right there. I was so 1147 01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,520 lost. So yeah, that actually makes a lot of sense. That must 1148 01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:23,640 have been when I sent you guys a meme earlier and I missed that part. 1149 01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:28,239 Yeah, so okay, that's that's actually really interesting. I swapped so 1150 01:12:28,359 --> 01:12:31,119 right now Osha again, that was one of my problems that May just left 1151 01:12:31,119 --> 01:12:34,720 her sister to die. But whatever, May fucking sucks. Osha is now 1152 01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:41,239 with Plegas Junior, and then May in disguise as Osha is with Soul, 1153 01:12:41,279 --> 01:12:45,479 which I feel like I have like a little issue that Soul couldn't sense that 1154 01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:48,800 it's not Osha. I don't know, he's compromised right now. There is 1155 01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:53,800 a lot that just rocked his world and Jackie died. But for me, 1156 01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:58,079 I expect, though, when he's not rocked then to sense it. And 1157 01:12:58,119 --> 01:13:05,000 do you think he will? Taylor my you know, pumped one out. 1158 01:13:05,359 --> 01:13:11,199 Yeah, he's just in the bath and I'm just like shup I survived. 1159 01:13:11,239 --> 01:13:15,039 I'm the best. I was taking more like a sad thing, like he 1160 01:13:15,159 --> 01:13:26,640 was like pity beat beat, pity beats, Like I thought the master. 1161 01:13:28,119 --> 01:13:30,479 I know. I think that he will detect it. But you're gonna get 1162 01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:34,520 that scene where like he's gonna say something and he's gonna click like May Osha 1163 01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:39,680 May is gonna like look at him and and then she's gonna like disarm him 1164 01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,439 and take him out or something like that, and then you're gonna get some 1165 01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:45,800 dialogue between the two and it's gonna have some kind of unveiling. But I 1166 01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,119 do think that that's again she's gonna be the one to kill him. You're 1167 01:13:48,359 --> 01:13:50,880 you're whoa, jeez, You've said a lot of things there that I have 1168 01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:55,159 to not pick apart, but at least pick a bone with you said like, 1169 01:13:55,199 --> 01:13:57,720 oh, they're gonna say in some conversation. I really hope it's not 1170 01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:00,439 just like he says the word may and she's like yes, I mean no, 1171 01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:03,720 I'm Osha. Like I hope it's not that she stumbles. I hope 1172 01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,840 it's that he picks up like this is supposed to be some pad on. 1173 01:14:08,279 --> 01:14:12,199 That's what's gonna happen actually, oh god, But like I hope it's some 1174 01:14:12,359 --> 01:14:17,319 like him, like intuition of like fucking Osha was his apprentice. Like remember, 1175 01:14:17,359 --> 01:14:20,119 I know it's not the same thing, but like remember even obi Wan 1176 01:14:20,239 --> 01:14:29,560 series, the second anag Invader's around, obi Wan's miles away and he's but 1177 01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:31,159 yeah, he paused in that he paused, Like it's a great scene. 1178 01:14:31,159 --> 01:14:34,439 Remember when Vader's going in that camp and Obione can show and she's like killing 1179 01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:38,640 all the fucking INSI people. But before you get there, obi Wan sens 1180 01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,680 is like, fuck, like Anagan's here. So I feel like when he 1181 01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:45,680 has all his brothers, he should sense like this isn't Osha. So I 1182 01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:49,199 hope it's not just she fucks up saying something and then he's like what you're 1183 01:14:49,239 --> 01:14:53,399 notsh Like I feel like he kind of goes down a couple of matches, 1184 01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:58,079 you know. My Devil's Advocate take on that I wasn't asking for as is 1185 01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:03,239 like if they are twins, or maybe we find out that they are like 1186 01:15:03,399 --> 01:15:08,399 super like tied together more than what twins would be. Whoever said it in 1187 01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:12,319 the comments of just that they're like one and the same, Like I feel 1188 01:15:12,319 --> 01:15:15,520 like that they must have same energy. Right, It's not like they're just 1189 01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:20,840 thinking Dark Force side may have that connection with him. I wouldn't work. 1190 01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:25,279 I don't think so that that's what I'm trying. That's why I had to 1191 01:15:25,279 --> 01:15:29,880 blanket State and this Devil's advocates. I I I it's so hard for me 1192 01:15:30,119 --> 01:15:32,760 to think of like a Jedi master to just like see someone. Now, 1193 01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:35,920 Taylor brought up that he is very compromised here, so maybe the adrenaline. 1194 01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:41,079 Maybe when the adrenaline dies down, but like, I think that has to 1195 01:15:41,079 --> 01:15:44,800 happen. I I think his intuition has to just like turn up a notch, 1196 01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:48,079 because they should be able to not like feel like like you brought the 1197 01:15:48,359 --> 01:15:50,960 example of Obi Wan and Anakin, and like you should be able to just 1198 01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:55,199 feel them, especially if you're so in tune with the force, like masters 1199 01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:58,920 pretty connected to Oshan, Like he seems like heresout. It's not like one 1200 01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:02,840 of the many apprentices had. He feels like they had a backstory they've had. 1201 01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:05,279 Like they even say, like you shouldn't go on this mission because they're 1202 01:16:05,319 --> 01:16:10,680 too emotional about this. But I promise you it's gonna be what Taylor said, 1203 01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,000 and it's not gonna be that him sensing it, and you're gonna hear 1204 01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,159 me bitch about in a couple of weeks where it's gonna be May screwing up 1205 01:16:15,199 --> 01:16:18,840 saying something and Soul's gonna look like a fucking idiot who couldn't sense it. 1206 01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:23,520 That is my prediction. It's so funny that I just completely missed that because 1207 01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:27,800 when when now May goes and like just like gives out his hand, I'm 1208 01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,039 like, this is the most sus thing in the world. Like it is 1209 01:16:30,119 --> 01:16:34,640 just so odd the way that she is like approaching him and like not really 1210 01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:38,239 mourning anyone or like taking a moment to really taking it in. It's just 1211 01:16:38,279 --> 01:16:40,880 like we have to go to the ship. Now, let's go and then 1212 01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:44,359 like just like a fault, like just the whole camera follow too of them 1213 01:16:44,399 --> 01:16:47,840 like going to the ship. It's just super super suss And I think Mario's 1214 01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:51,399 actually nailed on the head with the Basil's gonna just sniffer out. I think 1215 01:16:51,399 --> 01:16:56,239 that's how it's gonna happen. I don't think so there's no way you think 1216 01:16:56,319 --> 01:16:59,880 they were alluding to it heavily, because yeah, Basil got told right, 1217 01:17:00,079 --> 01:17:02,560 uh Pip Droid. Ah, So something gonna be like, I don't does 1218 01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:05,600 it have to do well, Pip, that's different you're telling me Pip, 1219 01:17:06,319 --> 01:17:10,399 Bazel and Pip. It's like rocket and groote, right, I don't kill 1220 01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:13,239 that as a wind. Basil he just fell backwards in it. He wasn't 1221 01:17:13,319 --> 01:17:16,000 like I brought this droid to see if this is the real I think I 1222 01:17:16,039 --> 01:17:20,079 think that could have a hand in it, because May is not going to 1223 01:17:20,159 --> 01:17:28,159 react with pips sniffer yes, oh yeah he will. Okay, I'm with 1224 01:17:28,279 --> 01:17:33,399 you guys on the Pip. I'm with you on the Pip. I'm not 1225 01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,159 with you guys on the Basil's gonna sniffer out. I don't think the thing 1226 01:17:36,159 --> 01:17:40,199 though, is the only one that could understand Basil was yours, And I 1227 01:17:40,199 --> 01:17:48,840 mean no one else speaks the same like calm down, my friend came down, 1228 01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:57,239 little one. He's they're trying to like, no, this is oh 1229 01:17:57,319 --> 01:18:05,159 shaw, my well loved a Prentice. I don't want that either, Like 1230 01:18:05,199 --> 01:18:09,880 I don't want to see the scene where her base was like this was like 1231 01:18:10,399 --> 01:18:15,359 you're not I don't. I feel like the chance for soula look really dumb, 1232 01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:18,840 Like the percentages are looking really high with what you guys are pitching here, 1233 01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:23,439 and that scares the fuck out of me. I want to circle back 1234 01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:27,359 to uh, Taylor, you said May is gonna kill Soul. I think 1235 01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:30,720 May is gonna kill Soul. Okay, Kirkle, do you agree with that 1236 01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:35,560 assessment? Yeah, Okay, I'm gonna say no. I'm gonna say this 1237 01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:40,119 show is shoddingly doing it. But I think they're trying to make May like 1238 01:18:41,199 --> 01:18:44,720 somewhat turn good or something. I think she's gonna spend some time with Soul 1239 01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:47,720 and realize like, oh, I have been killing people whatever in a merciful, 1240 01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:51,159 less lay way yet, so I think she won't. And then I 1241 01:18:51,199 --> 01:18:55,000 think maybe the Master will pop up play a junior and fuck him up. 1242 01:18:55,000 --> 01:19:00,199 But she's gonna turn May and Ocean. I love that. I remember when 1243 01:19:00,199 --> 01:19:03,399 we did the last Jedi review and there was a scenario where we talked about 1244 01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:08,279 what if and you know, whatever happened in that series happened, But I 1245 01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:11,399 thought, man, how cool would it have been in the middle of episode 1246 01:19:11,399 --> 01:19:14,880 eight if they had Kylo Wren turned to the good side and Ray turned the 1247 01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:18,760 dark side? And that like mid switch of protagonists in the series. To 1248 01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:23,239 me, when you're not fucking needing a billion dollars to break. Well, 1249 01:19:23,239 --> 01:19:26,560 this show did cost a lot of money. But like box office right wise, 1250 01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:28,600 right, they can line and say, oh, it's the most watched 1251 01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:31,199 Star Wars show every this is the time to take those fucking risks. So 1252 01:19:31,239 --> 01:19:34,800 like, imagine the next time they meet up, they reveal that like May 1253 01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:38,399 does reveal, like even out of guilt, she reveals, Hey, I'm 1254 01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:41,119 not Osha, and he trains her because she does in the Force. We 1255 01:19:41,119 --> 01:19:43,600 did see her use have we seen her? Yeah, we've seen her use 1256 01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:45,760 the four skull times, but she did a four lights they were pick up 1257 01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:48,560 in this episode. Wouldn't that be so fucking awesome next season to pick up 1258 01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:54,600 with Soul having her as his apprentice on the good side now then May or 1259 01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:58,039 sorry, OSHA's turned the dark side with fucking play as Junior. That shit 1260 01:19:58,039 --> 01:20:00,680 where it's like that's doesn't work though, and I mean I feel like you're 1261 01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:05,039 breaking your own your own case where like how did Vader get to go to 1262 01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:09,520 Force goes Jedi Heaven when he killed everyone? Right, Like, there's no 1263 01:20:10,159 --> 01:20:14,560 Well you always say that and complain that Vader shouldn't be going up to like 1264 01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:17,159 good guy Heaven because the charged troshity is that he did. But then why 1265 01:20:17,199 --> 01:20:21,560 would why would May be able to get brought in as like Soul's apprentice, 1266 01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,479 like, oh, you know what, we'll disregard you killed three Jedi. 1267 01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:27,880 They give her a pass. Maybe it's a thing where she's with Soul for 1268 01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:30,479 now, but once they catch play against Junior and May, your time's up, 1269 01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:33,000 you're gonna go. But that wouldn't that apply to Vader. Vader killed 1270 01:20:33,039 --> 01:20:36,279 Palpatine, Oh he done, pass, he does, but if he lived 1271 01:20:36,279 --> 01:20:39,760 though, I mean he went to I feel like it's the same thing. 1272 01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:43,399 You you give him a pass. I wouldn't find for some reason, Let's 1273 01:20:43,399 --> 01:20:45,680 say before everything happens to the death start, they're like, Vader, you're 1274 01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:48,279 a good guy. Great, but the second pupl Tine is dead, you 1275 01:20:48,319 --> 01:20:51,319 gotta go jail. Absolutely, I'd be fine at that deal. I'd be 1276 01:20:51,319 --> 01:20:55,199 fine. I like, hey, oh, May, you're not a free 1277 01:20:55,199 --> 01:20:58,199 person, but we need you right now. You know the Master, you 1278 01:20:58,279 --> 01:21:00,399 know Osha. But once I get you, you're going to jail. I'd 1279 01:21:00,399 --> 01:21:02,920 be fine with that. That's a part of the mission. But if it's 1280 01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:05,199 like, yeah, you're just a free lady, that doesn't make sense. 1281 01:21:05,239 --> 01:21:09,159 But again, Star is always about redemption, right, so they would just 1282 01:21:09,239 --> 01:21:11,840 give like Vader, they would have just given them the fucking past. I'm 1283 01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:13,560 like, well, you killed the Emperor, doesn't matter, you killed like 1284 01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:15,760 twenty million kids, welcome back, an I can't and he even sitting there 1285 01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:19,800 doing yub numb and everything. Yeah so but I but that's to me a 1286 01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:21,880 challenge with the writer of like, hey, same thing that he gave me, 1287 01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:24,840 s Anar. Okay, how do you make that work? That's how 1288 01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:27,560 you make it work the same way that we always said, did Kyler Ren 1289 01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:30,399 need to fucking die? And Rise of Skywalker did you need to die? 1290 01:21:31,199 --> 01:21:34,119 No? What did we get with Master Torbin this season? That was your 1291 01:21:34,119 --> 01:21:38,960 fucking blueprint for Kylo Ren right there? He survives and guess what, he's 1292 01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:43,000 non the mission because he's just gonna fucking put himself on an island and just 1293 01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:46,479 meditate for decades. But no, they fucking kill him because like, well, 1294 01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:48,960 you know whatever, we gotta make him like Vader. So that's I 1295 01:21:49,079 --> 01:21:54,880 mean, if you make it interesting and that imagine that poster of Soul and 1296 01:21:55,000 --> 01:22:01,359 May going down on the met not going going down off with Plagis Junior and 1297 01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:06,439 May like oh man, like there's some that's the bass law switching me too, 1298 01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:09,880 Like that's what I love, Like that's all republic when she makes that 1299 01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:13,119 switch, like I would love to see that. That's probably not gonna happen. 1300 01:22:13,119 --> 01:22:15,399 I think Tayror, your scenario would be more right about may may just 1301 01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:17,800 killing him. But I'm still gonna say she won't kill him. That's what 1302 01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:25,319 I'll say. I love the idea of switching places like that. I just 1303 01:22:25,359 --> 01:22:29,680 think the foundation of what's been laid right now, if that does happen, 1304 01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,359 I would actually not like it because it just doesn't make sense for a character 1305 01:22:32,359 --> 01:22:40,039 wise, so like it would have been needing a lot of laying the groundwork 1306 01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:43,079 I think for us to get there. Although I do love that concept and 1307 01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:47,880 hopefully one day we get that, but I just don't believe that we'll get 1308 01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:51,479 there. It's too bold. It's it's it's too bold, and I don't 1309 01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:57,000 trust them to do those bold plays. That's what's sad, Especially Taya. 1310 01:22:57,039 --> 01:23:00,119 You caught up on a House of Dragon. Yep, everyone's using the meme 1311 01:23:00,199 --> 01:23:03,279 this like just from the past hour of the like, oh they're twins, 1312 01:23:03,399 --> 01:23:08,119 great plan, like the way where House of Dragons uses that plot point is 1313 01:23:08,159 --> 01:23:11,000 like, look at these fucking idiots. But then Star Wars use that plot 1314 01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,239 points like this is our main this is the thing she's gonna switch. Like 1315 01:23:14,279 --> 01:23:16,479 that's where it's just like the quality. And that's where Cycling said, like 1316 01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:20,720 that's what's so sad. They they they're not like that would be something bold 1317 01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:23,399 to do, and they won't do it. And I just hate that. 1318 01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:26,119 Maybe people do think some of the stuff is bold. I just think even 1319 01:23:26,119 --> 01:23:28,560 if you like the show, I don't think they're doing anything bold. And 1320 01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:30,760 it just sucks as Star Wars this place where it's like we just right off 1321 01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:33,199 like, oh, that can't happen. That's too bold, that's too broad 1322 01:23:33,239 --> 01:23:38,279 strokes, that's too much of a big like whoa moment happened in Star Wars 1323 01:23:38,319 --> 01:23:42,520 you know so, And like I was saying that on the first episode the 1324 01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,800 first review, it's like, yeah, I had expectations for some crazy bold 1325 01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:49,960 stuff of like a really dark tale of following a bad guy, and it's 1326 01:23:50,039 --> 01:23:54,760 it's really a Jedi tale. Yes, unless maybe you know the end, 1327 01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:59,479 it really leaves off in the direction that we're maybe following more that side of 1328 01:24:00,399 --> 01:24:01,960 were to turn right, that could be your that could be a window in 1329 01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:06,560 because that's definitely our lead overall over May and Osha, and if she turns, 1330 01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:11,439 that's that's intriguing going into season two. But and that would be great 1331 01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:13,840 if they had a planned season two and that was the picture, like, 1332 01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:15,920 Hey, we want to see something from the dark side. But maybe they're 1333 01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:18,359 like, well, let's show that character do that turn. So when it 1334 01:24:18,399 --> 01:24:24,079 does happen and you are falling a villain, you feel more conflicted or more 1335 01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:28,399 you know, invested, because oh, I was with this character when they 1336 01:24:28,399 --> 01:24:30,640 were a good person. I was with them when they are on a different 1337 01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:32,800 path. But they're not gonna do that. May's gonna I think, like, 1338 01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,399 I guess we could tell her that. I think you're gonna get an 1339 01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:41,920 episode where fucking Plegis Junior monologues for about twenty seven minutes of why Osha should 1340 01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:45,199 be them. She'll consider like a few things and then go no, I'm 1341 01:24:45,199 --> 01:24:48,159 good and my heart's good and sol and that'll be it. Like does anyone 1342 01:24:48,199 --> 01:24:53,439 else think that's not gonna be the route we go with Plagis Junior and Osha 1343 01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:57,039 where it's a monologue she considers, says no, and then he hates her 1344 01:24:59,239 --> 01:25:02,359 like you could see me maybe she actually kills him too. What Oh, 1345 01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:06,680 she's gonna kill Plagues Juniors the ship out with their bare knuckles. There's no 1346 01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:13,279 way you're telling me this girl who's just getting the forest fer all the force 1347 01:25:13,359 --> 01:25:16,199 goes like I feel like I feel like they could. They could hear Anakin's 1348 01:25:16,279 --> 01:25:21,359 voice for some reason, like you even born yet County Monday style like look 1349 01:25:21,399 --> 01:25:25,560 for example, like of course Jackie definitely held her own, but you also 1350 01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:30,319 have Jackie holding her own when two Jedi I'm assuming masters got killed at once 1351 01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:34,800 by this guy likes has been retired for a couple of years. Yeah, 1352 01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:39,720 true, but I don't know. It's the way. It's the way the 1353 01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:42,800 show. The way the show is. I could see them doing that route, 1354 01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:46,560 because god, I don't want them to. But you two, okay? 1355 01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:50,000 Can I yes or no? For both you until you go first? 1356 01:25:50,159 --> 01:25:56,479 Is the Plagues Junior gonna die this season? Yes, Kirkling, you think 1357 01:25:56,479 --> 01:26:01,680 it's gonna happen? Low confident, No, holy fuck if that happens. 1358 01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:05,800 The fact that you guys are like if they just took those like five episodes 1359 01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:09,560 in all this market to build this villain. This guy fucking does I know 1360 01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:12,680 someone might throw like oh that and the darth ball. But it's differently like 1361 01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:15,640 a two and a half hour one movie, like this is like a show 1362 01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:20,039 you get multile seasons. They just kill this dude off or so now because 1363 01:26:20,079 --> 01:26:24,319 they killed Jackie, they kill Yord. The others don't count, but they 1364 01:26:24,399 --> 01:26:29,359 killed even like kill naka uh. The fact that they killed those those supposed 1365 01:26:29,359 --> 01:26:30,920 to be our main characters, Like I'm not gonna buy their Black Series figures 1366 01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:34,920 now because I'm not attached to them. But I feel like that's that puts 1367 01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:39,319 him on the pedestal of being killed too. Were you ever gonna buy Yord's 1368 01:26:39,359 --> 01:26:44,399 Black Series figure? I thought, characters, that's your soul is still there 1369 01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:49,920 though, Okay, I I could see him dying and then like like when 1370 01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:55,600 we meet his master or something like he like his master finds out that he's 1371 01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:58,000 been, you know, trying to find his own apprentice, like fuck you, 1372 01:26:58,039 --> 01:27:00,640 I'm gonna take your apprentice now, and like I could see it. 1373 01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:05,520 I'll accept that, even though I still feel like we got so little with 1374 01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:09,800 this character. Right, we only have three episodes left and we know it's 1375 01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:13,680 probably gonna be about they'll be about twenty five to thirty minutes, so we'll 1376 01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:17,760 get like maybe an hour, I said an hour. Like the half they 1377 01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:27,960 did make a your black it looks like the actor. They never do sometimes 1378 01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:35,800 they do not your fucking what was that? Maf Getdion was the best one, 1379 01:27:36,039 --> 01:27:39,279 Like look at the box looking I don't feel like that is, but 1380 01:27:39,319 --> 01:27:43,479 I will appreciate yellow lightsaber. I did like just seeing like as so many 1381 01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:45,960 times I've complained about that, just see that in battle in fighting, I 1382 01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:49,359 was like, fuck, yeah again, different color light sable. So shut 1383 01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:53,000 shout at the Ord for picking yellow, you know, because I don't think 1384 01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:57,399 in this in Star Wars canon doesn't even matter now the color because remember in 1385 01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:00,319 like Knights of Republic, you got a color for a certain Jed you or 1386 01:28:00,319 --> 01:28:01,399 I don't think it matters anymore, Right, it's just like, oh I 1387 01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:05,920 like yellow. You know what, wasn't there significance to like white isn't white? 1388 01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:11,920 White? White basically is when you purify cyber crystals because they've been they've 1389 01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:16,479 been like the Jedi, like like guards essentially, like didn't they like said 1390 01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:20,920 Jedi Temple Guardians used they used yellow crystals. But again that's that's something that 1391 01:28:21,039 --> 01:28:29,359 was in the Clone Wars, but I don't know it's it's I don't I 1392 01:28:29,359 --> 01:28:32,800 don't think in Cannon there's any example of the colors being the type of Jedi. 1393 01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:39,720 You are right, that was the thing which I like that and Night's 1394 01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:42,319 were republic Like if you were more of a fource based one, you had 1395 01:28:42,319 --> 01:28:45,159 this color. If you're more like a striker fighter, I think you were 1396 01:28:45,199 --> 01:28:48,479 greed and stuff. So I enjoyed that, but no, yours just it 1397 01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:51,880 looks cool. I I was kind of going back and forth during the episode 1398 01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:58,680 because it felt like at moments it just seemed like the lightsabers were just like 1399 01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:05,680 props and like specifically when specifically when like Yord is like running with Osha to 1400 01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:09,399 like get her out of there, like it just like it was making no 1401 01:29:09,399 --> 01:29:12,720 noise, and like he's just kind of like moving around as if it's just 1402 01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:16,119 like I don't know, it's not a giant fucking light weapon that could chop 1403 01:29:16,159 --> 01:29:18,600 you in half if you accidentally move in front of it, Like it just 1404 01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:20,880 seemed like the way that he was handling it. And then I kind of 1405 01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:25,359 like went the other way where when I think it was like right after that 1406 01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:29,880 sequence, Yord and Osha are running and it's kind of foggy, and you 1407 01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,399 just have like the glow of his yellow kind of like filling up the room. 1408 01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:38,199 And it reminded me again in Falling Order, when you're just using your 1409 01:29:38,239 --> 01:29:41,239 lightsaber as like a light in caves and stuff, and just like the light 1410 01:29:41,279 --> 01:29:45,119 effect. It's just it's just such a sweet look. And to see, 1411 01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:48,199 you know, a yellow version of that now was really nice to see. 1412 01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:51,399 So although I was kind of going back and forth on it, overall, 1413 01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:56,960 I still was really loving the lightsabers in this and just to have this many 1414 01:29:57,039 --> 01:30:02,199 lightsabers again, right, like this hasn't happened since ever, double lightsabers. 1415 01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:06,920 Yeah, back in the double lightsaber days, so wet. This was in 1416 01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:12,520 the cal Sum Attack of the Clones, right coliseum. Fuck yeah, we 1417 01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:17,600 got a cool lightsaber throw too, going to Jango just fucking Boba seeing his 1418 01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:21,239 Fallerty captain in front of him. But yeah, the lightsaber throw that was 1419 01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:27,279 I found a peculiar the way that he just soul like reflects it and it 1420 01:30:27,399 --> 01:30:30,039 just like keeps going. But then it's like, Okay, well, I 1421 01:30:30,039 --> 01:30:32,520 guess he's probably just using force powers to get it back to his hands. 1422 01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:35,600 It's just like he just batted it like a baseball bat, like out of 1423 01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:40,279 the park. It just kept going and then loops back. But it's a 1424 01:30:40,359 --> 01:30:42,840 rare move these days, but it felt like it used to be like a 1425 01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:46,479 staple, probably the Battlefront games. Really just you know, that's it. 1426 01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:50,840 It only happens once in the original series, like Vader whips at Luke One's 1427 01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:54,880 and then it's because we think it's It wasn't even in the prequels, was 1428 01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:58,560 it. Like I think it's only been when Luke throws it. I don't 1429 01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:00,239 even think it's in the sequel. It's not Luke, is it Luca, 1430 01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:04,039 it's Vegas Vader. Oh yeah, sorry, Vader, yeah, return, 1431 01:31:04,159 --> 01:31:06,960 Yeah, I'm to get him down. But yeah, we think of it's 1432 01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:11,840 a big thing. But I think that's just like a video game Mendela effect 1433 01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:14,560 that Vader did once, and everyone's like, like even Maul didn't do it. 1434 01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:16,239 We're in the video games, he's always like fucking chucking. I didn't 1435 01:31:16,239 --> 01:31:18,560 see him do that once in the movie. He wasn't chucking it. Maybe 1436 01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:23,039 Clone Wars it could happen, but I could have sworn Mace Window did it 1437 01:31:23,199 --> 01:31:29,880 on like Genosis, Genos but like that's just from the tutorial Battlefront two. 1438 01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:32,560 I remember it's like now through your lightsaber, imagine that. Yeah, he 1439 01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:35,000 threw it to the cut off jail. You ever think about like Bubba fet 1440 01:31:35,079 --> 01:31:40,199 sees his dad die and then cut to like thirty forty years later, he's 1441 01:31:40,199 --> 01:31:43,640 like, he's the fucking teeth guy. Like, what a story for phil 1442 01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:50,119 best life? Oh man? Okay, So is there any anything else on 1443 01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:56,000 Osha and the Master. I'm gonna say the Master is not gonna die or 1444 01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,840 play agains. Junior is not gonna die, and if he does, other 1445 01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:01,239 than maybe the way Kirkland, which I still feel under developed, at least 1446 01:32:01,239 --> 01:32:03,680 that way, I'm kind of fine with it. But again, I don't 1447 01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:06,600 think we're gonna get to the stage where OSHA's like, I'm ready to be 1448 01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:11,119 the Sith Apprentice and I don't or act lights I don't think so I think 1449 01:32:11,119 --> 01:32:14,960 it's gonna be like h Ohsha gets away from Plagugas Junior by the skin of 1450 01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:16,720 her teeth, not the mass teeth, and he's trying to hunt her. 1451 01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:20,600 Maybe you guys get your end credit scene he goes back to his Master, 1452 01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:27,279 But I don't know. It just seems like the vast majority of time when 1453 01:32:27,279 --> 01:32:30,880 a character falls to the dark side or is persuaded by the uh you know, 1454 01:32:31,039 --> 01:32:38,520 the dark side temptation, it just it's mostly a very angry character, 1455 01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:42,239 like a very very angry character, and they're just using their anger and hate 1456 01:32:42,279 --> 01:32:45,479 to just channel that. And OSHA's been through a lot, but like, 1457 01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:47,880 I just don't get that vibe from her at all. That's why, like 1458 01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:51,640 I said, like it would be intrigued to have that character turned, but 1459 01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:57,840 just what's been shown for her, I almost wouldn't even want that because it's 1460 01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,560 just like it's just such a flippy flop. It's like what you're talking about 1461 01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:02,960 with May and how we just can't really like follow her. Is this just 1462 01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:08,560 like a trade of these twins that just nobody knows they're so unpredictable. Oh, 1463 01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:11,479 she's still like she got she's getting kidnapped, right, So not like 1464 01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:15,000 she chose to hang out with Plagus Junior. She just wakes up in this 1465 01:33:15,079 --> 01:33:16,840 dude standing over top of her. So she didn't choose that, right. 1466 01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:19,439 She was still trying to get her sister. She had some progression. She 1467 01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:23,640 actually shot her sister this episode. You're right, You're like I'm just laying 1468 01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:27,880 out if we go that route of the dark Side Osha, Yeah, yeah, 1469 01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:30,640 No, I would. I I would need them to write, like 1470 01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:34,279 I've said before, like Christopher Nolan Tarantino levels these next three episodes. For 1471 01:33:34,319 --> 01:33:38,600 me to believe Osha make that turn, I would want it, and I'd 1472 01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:42,960 be I actually do think there is a way, I think, so I'll 1473 01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:45,239 take that back. I don't think you need the Oscar writer screenwriter, I 1474 01:33:45,279 --> 01:33:47,920 think, and this is where it gets more controversial. If they do reveal 1475 01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:51,079 that the Jedi were the ones that just fucked up the witches, I could 1476 01:33:51,119 --> 01:33:54,560 see the turn happen. But then you got a bunch of people that are 1477 01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:57,600 gonna say, well, they're making the Jedi not heroes and they're fucking like 1478 01:33:57,800 --> 01:34:00,359 terrible people. This hurts, like just my vision of the Jedi, So 1479 01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:03,239 I think one way or another hurts. But if they are, yeah, 1480 01:34:03,279 --> 01:34:06,439 soul this whole time, he actually just fucking kills your mom and he's been 1481 01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:10,520 lying to you since day one. I could buy the dark Side turd. 1482 01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:13,520 Then I could buy that hatred coming out. Then I think you can do 1483 01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:15,520 that in clean hour and a half. Well can they I don't know, 1484 01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:19,880 But you could give me an hour and half, I could get you there. 1485 01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:24,279 But would you buy that, Kirkland if it's like, yeah, Soul 1486 01:34:24,399 --> 01:34:29,399 is just a fucking terrible Jedi he killed especially when did she say he's like 1487 01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:32,560 oh, or who was it was it who said you can't strike down an 1488 01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:38,319 enemy with no weapon? It was Osha, right, Tim? I thought 1489 01:34:38,319 --> 01:34:43,600 it was Soul that says that Jedi don't strike an unarmed opponent. Okay, 1490 01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:45,960 So wouldn't that be like a full circle where you get that flashback and he 1491 01:34:46,039 --> 01:34:49,560 kills one of these witches that are unarmed, And that's where it's like he's 1492 01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:54,600 just like a fucking hypocrite or he's like mature an age he was going to 1493 01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:59,359 though, And that's where I think he he has that that he was called 1494 01:34:59,359 --> 01:35:01,880 out by. Otherwise, if Osha didn't say anything, he was legit gonna 1495 01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:08,199 just cut down Kim here. Yeah, I think so, yeah, and 1496 01:35:08,359 --> 01:35:10,680 he probably should have. I know they don't want to struggle that a weapon, 1497 01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:13,680 but it's like the second he steps away, the guy like force polls 1498 01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:15,800 like the lights here, and Thee's like, well, I don't know, 1499 01:35:15,159 --> 01:35:17,319 I don't think. I don't think anyone want to cared. But that's all 1500 01:35:17,359 --> 01:35:21,640 right, man. Oh, I'm sorry. I was just gonna got my 1501 01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:26,159 notes unless see. I was gonna point out this comment here because I don't 1502 01:35:26,199 --> 01:35:29,680 think we talked about it, but opending it all on Soul, I think 1503 01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:32,439 that's an interesting kind of route. Uh yeah, And like I don't think 1504 01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:35,000 that's happening. I don't. You don't think that's happening if he does make 1505 01:35:35,039 --> 01:35:36,800 it out of line, which I don't think, so I think he is 1506 01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:41,840 gonna die. I think that would be an interesting route where they don't necessarily 1507 01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:45,359 trust Soul because they know he's emotionally kind of compromised because he's so heavily invested 1508 01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:49,680 with this being Osha in May. And I mean, if they find out, 1509 01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:53,319 okay, something happened to these Jedi, and they find out the truth 1510 01:35:53,359 --> 01:35:57,079 because they didn't know Soul kept it from them that Osha was a twim, 1511 01:35:57,319 --> 01:36:00,960 and then maybe Soul also has kept it obviously from them that he did execute 1512 01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:04,159 these witches and do something very dark, and maybe that does make them think, 1513 01:36:04,199 --> 01:36:08,560 oh, did you like what happened here? Did you turn on your 1514 01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:13,840 former like co Jedi here? Like I think that something could happen, so 1515 01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:15,439 I wouldn't put it out of the question. Yeah, I don't even say 1516 01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:18,000 the question. I just don't. I just don't see them going that way 1517 01:36:18,039 --> 01:36:21,680 because it's just like I feel like that's a weird wrap up bowl, Like 1518 01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:26,119 I just don't see it resulting well as oh sold it at all, and 1519 01:36:26,119 --> 01:36:30,039 they're just like okay, cool and they move. Maybe if the man if 1520 01:36:30,039 --> 01:36:31,800 Plagus Junior dies, then I'll say, okay, I could get there. 1521 01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:34,600 But if Plagus Junior is still alive, I think it's kind of odd. 1522 01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:41,880 But again, they're they're walking on a tight rope. And the uh the 1523 01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:47,920 sequence when uh, I can't remember his name, Kime here there we go. 1524 01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:54,399 I don't want to say Paga Junior, but uh he the face real 1525 01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:58,800 happens. He has the stare down with Master Soul and then he does this 1526 01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:03,600 like removal of his cape and then like tosses it at Soul and he he 1527 01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:08,319 force chokes, uh, who is it? Osha? In that moment, 1528 01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:13,640 it seemed like it took way too long for for Master Soul to like get 1529 01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:17,279 the cape off of him. He was a clunky I thought. I just 1530 01:37:17,359 --> 01:37:24,000 laughed at Like even Kylo ran like what Sith is throwing their fucking cloak at 1531 01:37:24,039 --> 01:37:26,800 the Jedi, Like it just felt like a weird I said, maybe that 1532 01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:30,920 could be weird that it worked, though. He feels like just pounced that 1533 01:37:31,119 --> 01:37:35,399 Master Soul and then like chopped him in half. Like I feel like combat 1534 01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:39,600 people have done that in combat, but like I just feel like a Master 1535 01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:42,600 Soul is a master, Like he's just gonna cut that cape in half with 1536 01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:45,399 his lightsaber and then just keep his focus on his threat. Maybe that just 1537 01:37:45,439 --> 01:37:49,800 shows they didn't train this at the Jet Academy. He saw a piece of 1538 01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:54,880 he had no fucking clue. Oh no, he didn't know what he was 1539 01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:56,960 gonna do. It was like his weakness the Master. If it land on 1540 01:37:57,000 --> 01:37:59,479 top of his head, he would have fucking screwed it, but been like, 1541 01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:04,359 oh the osha. Yeah, it just shows the ineptness of the Jedi. 1542 01:38:04,840 --> 01:38:08,199 I hate that. I hate that. That's just an excuse for every 1543 01:38:08,199 --> 01:38:10,960 bad writing thing in this show is like, well, the Jedi, they 1544 01:38:11,039 --> 01:38:13,600 might have been shitty around this era, but it's like, yeah, sometimes 1545 01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:17,000 that work, but something like you're telling me they could. He gets distracted 1546 01:38:17,039 --> 01:38:20,920 because I'm looking at it now because May is here and May calls out, 1547 01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:25,159 and so you actually see him turn and he looks away and that's when he 1548 01:38:25,239 --> 01:38:28,399 throws his cape at him and then he force chokes may So that's what he's 1549 01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:32,159 doing. Also thought, for the first scene that we got Ocean Maye together, 1550 01:38:32,159 --> 01:38:35,039 it was gonna be a lot more impactful, and it really didn't stick 1551 01:38:35,079 --> 01:38:41,119 with me, and I did not enjoy the whole arm twisting back and forth 1552 01:38:41,159 --> 01:38:45,039 like wrestling with each other, like this is the truth. No, this 1553 01:38:45,119 --> 01:38:46,199 is the truth. No, this is the truth. Like, yeah, 1554 01:38:46,239 --> 01:38:49,239 I guess all around again. I felt like it wasn't a bad scene, 1555 01:38:49,279 --> 01:38:54,600 just underdelivered from kind of everything I was hoping for. For the first time 1556 01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:58,920 these characters talked. It came off just very again like kids animated cartoon, 1557 01:38:59,039 --> 01:39:00,760 like, oh, we we don't have much time, so let's do what 1558 01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:03,840 we can. An arm twist that I did enjoy, though, doubling down 1559 01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:08,840 on Yourd's death because he like twists his arm, snaps his arm, and 1560 01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:12,319 then snaps his neck like damn, a little way to go. My last 1561 01:39:12,319 --> 01:39:16,960 thing here was just when before we have the face reveal for Chime here, 1562 01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:21,079 you just he like looks at Master Soul. It's like you don't recognize me. 1563 01:39:23,159 --> 01:39:27,000 Master just looks at him like, I send something familiar. I'm gonna 1564 01:39:27,079 --> 01:39:29,399 use that line if someone ever says that to me and I don't know who 1565 01:39:29,399 --> 01:39:32,800 they are, I'll just be like, I sent something familiar, but I 1566 01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:36,119 have no fucking idea who they are. You might cover my base, I 1567 01:39:36,119 --> 01:39:42,079 don't know. And also we didn't talk like quickly talk like we joked about 1568 01:39:42,119 --> 01:39:44,359 it, like it's not gonna be the market. Is there any theory of 1569 01:39:44,399 --> 01:39:46,640 what it is that why it would be familiar? Like a real reason, 1570 01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:50,359 right, like an old apprentice? That's only guess right that maybe that's it, 1571 01:39:50,399 --> 01:39:54,000 because I again, I swear if it is the fucking oh I was 1572 01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:57,359 the guy from the market, I'm gonna have a BF. I don't think 1573 01:39:57,399 --> 01:40:00,119 it's old apprentice because Soulden's so was still like what are you? Who are 1574 01:40:00,159 --> 01:40:05,479 you? All that kind of stuff, but keep something from apprentice someone else's. 1575 01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:10,279 Maybe he genuinely there's something some kind of disconnect there. But I'm hoping, 1576 01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:13,079 like you said, Travis, it's not the market that this guy is 1577 01:40:13,119 --> 01:40:15,199 like he's so insecure, like, oh you don't remember me. It's like 1578 01:40:15,399 --> 01:40:19,600 like like a guy working on movie theater rips here serves popcorn and you see 1579 01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:21,800 him like, oh you don't remember me, it's good to see you again, 1580 01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:29,680 or like Electron. It's Electro from Spider Man. Do you remember me? 1581 01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:31,680 I got the best mark on tatoween and you don't even remember me? 1582 01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:36,479 I hate you? So alright? Well, I think is there anything else 1583 01:40:36,479 --> 01:40:40,159 we haven't covered, haven't talked about that we need to talk about here? 1584 01:40:41,279 --> 01:40:45,800 Great episode. I'm stoked for the next, next one. It's good enough 1585 01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:49,159 man episode for me. We're going down. We're the roller coaster. We're 1586 01:40:49,199 --> 01:40:53,800 on the way down. Hopefully next week is not a nose die for me. 1587 01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:56,720 Again, not awful, there's still some good things in here and then 1588 01:40:56,720 --> 01:41:00,439 fun talking about Yeah, they're still luckily the action was good and I'm still 1589 01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:01,880 gonna go with Taylor where it's like better than all the sequel stuff. Like 1590 01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:05,520 again, sequel gave us the fucking throne room scene and that's some like you 1591 01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:10,239 know, the tension there and everything here has some good stuff, but also 1592 01:41:10,279 --> 01:41:14,159 just awe scrubs, including Jackie and Yord that just got killed that you know, 1593 01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:16,359 maybe we'll get some fucking comic one day. We get to learn about 1594 01:41:16,359 --> 01:41:19,880 your and his adventures and that poor guy has that apprentice back at his base. 1595 01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:25,279 That's just gonna be masterless now. So sucks to suck, but we 1596 01:41:25,279 --> 01:41:30,199 will be back next week for episode six of the actte Oh boy, what 1597 01:41:30,239 --> 01:41:32,399 could happen? Then? Whatever it is, we'll be boring and may the 1598 01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:35,319 Force be with you always