Hell, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Acolyte Star Wars Review,
Episode five. We are back to here. Oh red light for kirklam
passes it meaning sith that means the going red light district. I don't know
we're gonna find out, but yes, we're here to talk about Acolyte.
This is I guess we're over the halfway point now, right, it's ten
episodes or it's eight episodes, right? Got it sound like annoyed? Like
I had asked him many times? An idiot? Too many rock gifts in
between. Yeah, I go to ask you a question and are you fucking
kidding me? I didn't do that. I didn't do that. I got
your medicine. Oh man. Also, Kirkland, we do not tuble this
off air because here edited the last newscast. You have to decide if you're
uploading this one or the news tomorrow. And if you don't do news tomorrow,
then you do the next news. So you can just whatever you want.
Let me to chat tonight. There you go. It's the next newscast
that's you, and that's gonna be like the comic Con all weekend. You'll
be don't scare me, but I'll have that it's on record. But yes,
we're here to talk about acolytes, so let's get right down to it
as usual. We're gonna start with nonspoiler thoughts, so we'll do that.
If you haven't seen the episode, if you're you know, can't catch it
for some reason, you can listen to the first fifteen to twenty minutes,
and then we will transition to spoils. We'll take a little ad break,
and then we'll be right back and go the full Monty. The only thing
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go check that one out. Mister Patzer, what where are you? You
missed the last a few weeks now or just episode two weeks weeks in a
row, that's right. So what are you thinking of the show so far?
With you know few you don't need an hour long thoughts in your old
episodes, but you know a little bit of those, and then what are
you thinking currently? And we're over halfway? So you were somebody that you
know the show in his advertised ers the show we got you felt a little
iffy about it. Where are you now? What's your bones feeling? Like?
Are they rested? My bones? Where my bones are feeling? I'll
say where I was at before this episodeh I I like pretty okay with it.
I feel like the first two episodes we're pretty pretty strong in my opinion,
Like I don't know, eight eight range, maybe just below a nine.
Like I did really like what was shown. Although you know, if
you tuned into that first episode, I had mentioned that it wasn't exactly what
I was expecting to get from the get go, so like from that point
on it was kind of tempered my expectations. I think of just knowing the
level that we were going with the threats that we were dealing with, and
kind of who our main players were, main character and whatnot. But yeah,
as it was going on, I still feel like it's pretty much in
that same range for me. I thought, uh, I thought episode three
was okay. I just wasn't really like too interested in the like the flashback
sequences, so it was kind of losing me in like an interest sense,
not necessarily with like what they were showing, but I just feel like maybe
it was just going on too long. And then just as like we're just
getting a lot of the flashback moments and I wasn't really vibing with it,
but like it wasn't a major drop off. It was just like, Okay,
that seemed like a weaker episode. And then episodes the women, right,
that's why you weren't too many women. Yeah, I was like,
where's the uh the male coven? Yeah? Coven? No, I don't
know. I thought all the witches female? Are you fucking kidding me?
Where? What's that planet again? And is that the same one? Should
I fallen order? Like is that where it's like the Witches of Good there?
I don't know what answer? Sorry, what was the question? What
are the witches called the witches of Datha Marian witches? Yeah? So like
that concept was that introduced in Fallen Order or is that something that was wae
venturess. That was the first time I was experienced, at least to the
witches. And I remember remember uh Tales the Empire, Joe Grievous and that
one side arc where you met uh Alsbeth. Yeah, there's your experience with
Dath. It wasn't the first one though, first experience was Fallen Order.
But no, you're right, So it's been this concept that's kind of even
fully dove into, I guess, And uh, what was shown was all
right. I think it was mostly just the interactions amongst the characters. I
just I don't know, it's like, Okay, there's a mom that's me
and and a mom that's nice, and we just have that are at ends
just giving my little episode three review all of a sudden, but like it
was, okay, a little dip in my interests. Episode four, I
thought it was a big step up. I was just a lot more excited
and what was going to happen. Of course, I'd had a big cliffhanger.
I was wanting to get that whole sequence I think in that episode.
But I think it was I think it was worth the wait. Actually was
I was like leading into my thoughts on this episode. I think I was
I don't know. I think I was expecting less than what we got,
and I was pretty impressed with overall just the action that was involved in this
episode. This is definitely the most action packed one. A lot of lightsabers
clashing, and I thought like it wasn't the best late lightsaber battle. I
think if I had to look at just the overall Star Wars universe on the
big screen but and little screen, I guess this is considered little screen unless
you're watching it really big screen. But yeah, I thought it was I
thought it was great. I thought it was a really really good episode.
And I'm curious if it's my favorite episode, like it's not like a clear
clear jump. Yeah, actually, now that I think about it, yeah
it's my favorite episode. Put myself over on that one. Okay, so
I will go next because you know we'll leave mister Starlar's last and Kirkland was
not here last week, but I shared, so my thoughts were last week
was a big down point for me, and I thought, man, uh,
you never know, shows can recover, and hopefully it would, but
this episode was just are you fucking kidding? Me, oh man, this
was a bummer. So it's tough because I feel like there's things that you
could slice out by themselves and they're good, but in the whole context of
the show, they don't work. May is becoming one of the worst Star
Wars characters we've ever had in Disney. Plus, it is frustrating how poorly
written this character is. From week to week. It was just astronomical last
week what happened, and then I think it's almost astronomical again of what's happening
with this character. It's just annoying A non invested I was invested in the
first three episodes and now that's gone. I don't know, if you listen
to all our reviews, there's a reveal and oh wow like that, like,
hey, yeah, I just don't you just write things in a certain
way. And to me, it's like the idea of what a red herring
was right and it went so hard on something where I thought, and I'm
like, no, because the show right now is just poorly written. It's
gonna be that. But throughout the week I was like, maybe maybe it's
not Maybe it's just that they are fucking me. They're getting me, you
know, they are red hairing me. I'm falling for the oldest trick in
the book, like here it is, here, it is, here's the
twist, and like, no, that's not gonna be it. And then
oh, that's the twist. So now it's like, that's the problem.
What happened with four? And then this episode as well that I feel like
they hurt episode one, two and three now, so that's where we're getting
into. Not only have these episodes disappointed me, they're going back in the
other past there. Uh. The actors, like especially Soul and a certain
actor I think did a good job, even a great job at times.
I think it's just the writing of some of these characters in the dialogue they
have to say. I was not a fan of one particular mass character's dialogue
a lot didn't know what was going on there. So yeah, I just
some good moments. I don't think it's like all time, we're Star Wars
again. This isn't Jack Black and Lizzo. I do feel like it's gonna
be comfortably secured right above, because I always said my bottom three is like
Boba Mando three, and now I think it's easily gonna be act like I
don't think it can go be below Mando three because, like I said that
that episode whatever in season three that was abomination. I could not you know,
I'm being hyperbolic, but still my eyes have still hurt me then,
So yeah, this is still another week where the show is definitely we weren't
going up, we weren't going down. We were kind of steady, and
like I said, like things, didn't like things. But now I'm finding
more stuff that I dislike and more things that make me dislike things that I
liked before, which that's seemed frustrating because that may these two episodes don't make
me want to rewatch the show, and that's what you shouldn't have. So
yeah, I wasn't a huge fan of this, even though there was some
cool stuff in here and some maybe good moments, but overall, uh yeah,
I think it's a I think it's another swing and a miss, and
I think this show is on a somehow. The last minute did leave me
intrigued where we're going. I was like, Okay, this is interesting,
but the problem is where we've done so far. I can't be excited because
I just feel like I'm gonna be disappointed or letdown. Again. So that's
where I am. But good on them for every week in these fucking twenty
seven minute episodes, leaving me something to hang on to. So mister Field,
yeah, this this episode was amazing. I loved it. I was
eating it up ever since last week included. I spent the whole week just
just salivating, just wanting to see some shit. And Travis put some scary
thoughts in my mind because I was thinking, like, maybe they do skip
over some things, and he put scary thoughts in my mind as well.
And the first like ten seconds of the episode, I'm like, no,
Travis called it No, I No, I thought that too. It was
like that fuck. But you know, but like, I'm very happy with
what we got, and considering most of the episode being what I think,
thirty three minutes and I feel like twenty No, it's twenty eight minutes.
So all the fucking credits, yeah, don't try to fucking fluff it up.
It's same as last week, where it's that bullshit of the recap and
that it's not even half an hour. It felt I mean, it felt
longer than what I was expecting, Like all like the fighting going on felt
long. And then of course some stuff following that. It all just it
felt like we covered a lot of ground and I didn't feel like it was
rushed, Like I really I enjoyed everything that they were dishing out and what
for the most part, everything that happened, I I was my jaw was
dropping with certain things that took place. I was like, holy shit,
like this just happened. That Holy shit again, like this just happened.
And now I'm starting to see where we can we can kind of reverse and
backtrack a little bit with what they introduced in last week's episode, and we
can see because I feel like it all comes down just to dialogue. And
I might when I when we get into our our thoughts and spoilers, I
might semi not really rant, but I'm gonna put my foot down on some
things because I think some things with the show need to be defended because all
week I've just been stewing and sitting on all these people just fucking coming down
on this show for certain things that like it's just too well. I'm gonna
I'm gonna make a case and try and point about it. But yeah,
I feel like a lot of people are just they're just hopping onto this this
wagon of just shitting on it. But I'm not gonna go too political.
I'm not gonna go too crazy because where I'm gonna I'm gonna stick for different
reasons. Yeah, and that's that's totally fair. That's totally fair. The
wagon I'm I'm talking about is the Caddy Mundy thing. Not a spoiler,
but yeah, I will save that for that. Actually I was curious,
yes, yes, we must live long then just his species. I guess,
oh you haven't heard, Okay, well, oh yeah, so apparently
like he's he's not even born yet. That's the thing. And you know
what, yeah, before knows. Yeah, in the so it's legends.
And they had on Wikipedia that he wasn't even born yet and then he was
in the show. But to some and I will say, because Taylor probably
doesn't know this stuff, the website people at Wikipedia were getting death threats because
what they did is after the episode they changed his date to make it so
he could be alive and whatever they want, more cannon stuff. I think
it's all dumb nerd like go get a life stuff and you shouldn't do that.
But that was the controversy last week that originally his birth date was before,
like after this episode, so it was all catty money when he's supposed
to be like a spermacoid or something. That's funny because I saw him Like
that's cool. I like it. Yeah, yeah, I guess. I
guess he lives long. Like that's just how I took it. But people
are raging because the date was different on a I mean people given death threats
to Sir Kristen Cole. Oh yeah they are. No, don't get me
wrong. I'm definitely someone that you were doing an alien rot show. I'll
go on like the Aliens Wiki at twelve o'clock at night, you know.
I like to find myself on like House the Dragon Wiki, Like you know,
it's late at night. You find yourself in those areas. But who
the fuck is like yeah, Wikipedia, Oh his date is ninety something years
old. This is like, this is the real deal before eighty or aby,
what is it before? I could go on Wikipedia and change the fact.
Oh, Germany is actually a province in Canada. I could change that
in people like different because they would change it right back. They would yeah,
yeah, but maybe it has people that do run it and they make
the final call, right, It's just yes, and I'm gonna I'm trying
not to get too deep in this because I know you don't want people listening
don't want to hear this. But I just think that at the end of
the day, the terminology that that Caddy Mundy has in regards to the Phantom
Menace, I think that this show is doing a good job at kind of
navigating it a little bit. And I think with where we got to in
this episode, it has clearly put its foot down on showing why Caddy Mundy
says those things, uh in the Phantom Menace. So I think that that's
I'm excited to kind of talk more about that. And again, I think
it all comes down just to just to the dialogue, and I feel like
people are kind of blowing it out of proportion a little bit, and especially
everyone just kind of jumping on the age thing is one thing, but people
jumping on the Candy Moundy thing with how he talks and how he's a liar
and all that kind of stuff. Will I feel like, again, we
have three more weeks to go, and I feel like we're gonna get some
some more things kind of Okay, continue, I got nothing else we got,
we got into spoilers, so I will Yeah, we'll get into spoilers.
I do want to shout out somebody because this happened the last few weeks.
Kirkland, you missed some fiery chats, but this came from Parker Leeds,
who thank you very much for giving us a five serview. Yeah,
yeah, thank god Kirklan's not here. He rouins the episodes. Hey guys,
long time listener, a big fan of podcast. This is a very
emotionally raw review, and this title was for episode three, you know,
that one that destroyed Star Wars. I admire the passion presented in defending this
episode from negative comments, but it almost feels like you, guys, let
the trolls under your skin. More time was spent arguing against the haters than
was spent on your normal, entertaining reviews of the episodes, which, thank
you, I tuned in normally for excellent commentary, not the haters. I
agree one hundred percent what you guys were saying, but this episode had a
combative nature and energy that has found on a lot of political discourse these days.
Don't let yourself get dragged into that tone. Keep up the good otherwise,
good work, So I appreciate the words I will say. The thing
that I like hold back on is like let them get under your skin.
It's definitely not that because the second this episode ends, I don't remember anything
those people say. And luckily, like I don't think too many. Maybe
some people were like on the edge of being negative, but for me,
it's like if some people come in live and I do like I always want
because here's the thing, this is gonna sound weird. But when I was
younger, my dad, I don't think he does now because I think they
went too crazy, but he had serious and now it's serious XM. And
he always used to listen to Fox News, but he's not like right wing.
He definitely leans left wing. But I asked, like, well why,
And it's like my years of like becoming an adult and for my own
views, like, well, it doesn't matter what's going on, I still
want to hear the opposition. And that's where I kind of take it from,
Like as long as people aren't too negative and are getting really on the
weird stuff like we joke about the female witches, but we don't care about
that stuff really, Like when it's that stuff, yeah, those people are
gonna get banned, and I'm not even gonna comment those when it's the people
that I hope genuinely just feel, hey, I was excited for the show
and x Y and D's disappointing me. And that comes at a time where
episode three, I was still digging the show, so I was down to
always have the debates. So that's why for me, I always want to
give the other side and people that tune in, it's great to interact and
let them be Hey, they're spending some time with us, so that's great.
But I do understand that it's tough though. That's what we talked about
in that episode, where it's tough to talk about a lot of the issues
of Star Wars and not be political anymore because it's like since last Sjed I,
it's always been that. I think Unfortunately, if you don't like that
aspect of Star Wars, it's just always gonna be around now because I think
that really, I know there's much like lots, but I feel like that
was the inception of like the Red Eye thumbnails the woke culture in movies and
TV shows. I feel like Star Wars fans, like the negative ones,
really went that route. So I do appreciate it, and yeah, we'll
try not to make it sound too negative, but it's more so just trying
to get other opinions out there and another thing like that. So I'm not
sure Ti, if there's anything you want to add on that. I think
you said it. I mean where we are now, Like the fandom is
very clearly divided, and I don't think you're ever gonna be able to put
out one thing that is gonna have everyone united. I think if there was
such a thing, it was probably Mando season one. But even though I
feel like that definitely still probably hit a couple snags with the fandom, but
I don't think so, I don't. I think Mando season one and two
they had it, and then after Boba fadenah on, they they got back
to a divide again. You know, it was like we had force awakens.
I feel like we had forced reagans of Rogue one because even people like
some of us that didn't love Rogue one, it wasn't a huge divide.
It's just like, oh, I don't enjoy this as much as other people.
It definitely was Last Jedi, and then we got a break with Mando
and even and Or because there's tons of people that think and it's just like
boring and it's not their type of Star Wars, right, So yeah,
I don't think there's one thing that can come out and fix it anymore.
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gentlemen, let's so the caddy money thing, I want to go there because
I was gonna say something, but it would have been a little bit spoilery,
right, circling back, Hey already ye, well, because it ties
into what happens with like the massacre, right, So for me, oh,
I'm sorry, I will answer a couple of these. John Petro Pedro,
who's been with us almost a week, Good to see you, John,
since it kind of felt like a finale to me. Now, I
have no idea where the main episodes will go, which we'll circle back to
when we get to the end of this episode. Because I agree to a
point. I think that's interesting, so more questions and answers. Really enjoyed
the twenty five minute long saber fight Mario Parker Milligan said, and I think
that's something that I will agree with that it felt like it sucks. We
heard this episode for the canceled or potentially canceled for the thirteenth episode, where
it was supposed to be like a whole just hour long chase episode, and
I like that was something. I did like that the majority of the episode
was just like fight to fight to fight. I did appreciate that they went
that but I think where I got to push back on the Caddy money thing
to where it's tough because I think that the age thing I throw out because
I don't care about that, because that's not Cannon's legends whatever. Right,
the Caddy money thing, I think it just comes down to like a certain
point of view, because sure it's not they don't say, oh the Sith,
but they're literally talking about a master training a apprentice with four sisms.
And now my issue is where, how do you they how many Jedi to
die in this episode? Like at least over five right, three Jedi?
No, I think there was at least there's one, two three. For
last week there's probably just just under ten. So just that's the thing for
me where in my point of view, And I'm gonna bring this up again
in the episode two a Soul where something happens where I go, I just
don't buy this. I feel like it's plot armor for me for Caddy Money
to be in that meeting and then talking about even if heels like, well,
they're not saying Sith in Dark Side, so it's just a master train
Jedi. That is to me, someone with the forest being trained to kill
Jedi that is a red flag and this is why I need to see what
they do with the show. But for me, they keep dropping the ball
with a lot of these big plot points. Almost let's just say it's ten
Let's say ten Jedi die. Ten Jedi die, and it's not gonna be
like that feels very odd for me, the caddyman in here, there's a
Master of Force and ten Jedi die and it's not gonna be looked at at
all. You know, Here's here's why I left this slide. Uh.
I think the only witnesses that are still alive for the Sith is the Master,
Soul, Osha, and May. This is the only three. And
I'm I'm convinced that Soul is now he's alone with May. Soul's gonna get
killed. I think at some point he's gonnaet killed before he can report back
to the Council. That leaves Osha and May be the only ones to report
it. Now we know that, how how difficult was it for them to
find kal Naka's hut where that fight took place. It was exceptionally difficult,
even with the fucking basle guy we'll talk about. But that's the other thing.
Everyone that's saying, Oh, you land on this planet, you go
in there like you're not gonna come out, You're gonna die, like you
go in there like it's extremely hard to figure out where you're going. So
people that go there, they're gonna try and track down what happened and where
the Jedi went. They're probably not gonna find them. They're gonna think that
the Force just got them. And it's a huge forest, and the Jedi
did get lost without their guide. So I think that it's going to prove
very difficult to find that evidence. Of course, we don't know. Maybe
the Sith Lord is still there, the Sith Apprentice, so he can obviously
hide the evidence, disposed of the bodies. No one's gonna know. And
this is why I said dialogue. I think it's gonna come down to the
fact that this information is just gonna appure that, hey, these Jedi just
went missing. And yes, you're right, we have this discussion that Okay,
someone has the Force and they're being trained to utilize it. But they
weren't fighting in the Sith arts or the Jedi arts like they were fighting just
with their their daggers whatnot, Like they're just murdering Jedi, and they had
capabilities of the force. There was someone that was teaching them, but there's
nothing that really instigates that thought that's a Syth. And if they are under
the impression, hey, the Syth have been extinct or a millennium as they
say, then they wouldn't their mind wouldn't go there. And again that's reaffirmed
because the Jedi and this episode are like what are you and he's like,
well, you know, i'd be you know, you would call me a
syth or whatnot. Like they didn't even know what they were dealing with.
And I think that shows too they don't expect that. And if everyone that
knew that this was a Syth is killed and Keddy Mundy's gonna just stand on
that mountain even further when it comes to Phantom Menace, like, oh,
the Syth had been extinct and that's too where we were getting deaths that I
was not expecting in this episode. I guess for me, I just can't
I can't get there and I just can't buy it for him to be in
that meeting, it just feels too odd. It's kind of like somebody being
like, oh, I have something really important to tell you meet me here
at eight pm. And then that person dies in like a scream movie,
You're like, oh, I wonder if that person's a killer like what we
got in this episode for me for him to overhear that calm and then these
Jedi just to go missing in the forest, it just made And not that
Caddy Mannies is a big character, but I just feel like it's not even
needed. And for me, it's even more annoying when you hear that the
writer said Caddy Money even wasn't the original person. They want Yoda in that
meeting, which thank god Yoda wasn't that fucking meeting. But the only reason
they couldn't get it is because they couldn't get the budget in the time for
it, so they just like threw They were just like, we just need
somebody from that council. So that's for me where it's just like I don't
think thoughts being put into and I just I just can't buy that they wouldn't
draw the lines. And I guess Caddy Mondy or you can just tell me
Catty Money is like the biggest fucking India of all time, which okay,
cool, I guess, But like I feel like that brings down the Jedi.
I'm fine the hubrious of the Jedi and them not seeing things, but
when you start making it and I think they do that the Soul a little
of this episode two, where like now they're just starting to make them dumb,
and I think that I don't like the Jedi being dumb. I like
them being arrogant and cocky and not seeing things completely through the bushes, but
just like kind of dumb space cops. It's like, man, that's really
disappointing. So for me, I I'll see what they do, but I
just think I don't think they can really re route that for me. Where
are you, Kirkling, because you weren't here for the controversy last week,
so that was not I at this point in time, I'm just gonna I
think I'm just gonna wait and like really see how they're gonna handle it,
because it I agree. I think Master Soul is a goner. Yes,
it would just not make sense if he makes out of this show. For
like the results of the Skywalker saga, specifically like the start of the the
prequels, I guess, but no, I I don't really know how this
Sith is gonna make it out without leaving too much evidence. He's already left
a big blood trail, and especial because he's Jedi. Are It's not like
this was the first time. They're already investigating the murder of three other Jedis,
so it's just like, yeah, I Jedi's murdered and then ten go
missing that. It's also for me though, like I would believe if they
just write it in the sense of like the Jedi are just so not like
they just don't possibly conceive that something like this could be out there, So
then it's just like, Okay, something's going on. I don't know if
it's just criminals or whatnot, or just some other manipulator of the force.
I like the idea of it not just being our only threat is the Sith,
because they haven't had Sith as their threat for a very long time up
until this point, right. I Mean, I'm limited in my High Republic
knowledge, but I don't think the Sith. Yeah, So I think that's
believable to an extent. The more you guys bring up the Kiyati Monday thing,
it does it I see holes in it for sure, especially just thinking
of his kind of stance in Phantom Menace. But because like last week when
or whenever I watched that episode, it was just like, oh, that's
a cool little Easter egg, but like didn't really think about the whole implications
of what that means, because yeah, I think it. It didn't have
to be that character to like make that significant, and it actually, like
to your point, Travis, like I think it. I think it just
adds some holes to the problem for error, which that because to me,
it's like maybe they do right and then three weeks later we're like, oh,
Okay, this is great and that's how they told it. But sometimes
I feel like the way this show drops things, we might not ever get
that we might not ever get a scene of the Council being told about these
Jedis. I might just like, well, that happened at some point they
were told about the Jedi and nothing was happened, you know, and they
didn't care. Yeah, no, one nd percent. And like at this
point kind of in the High Republic era, like is the Jedi just so
vast that like it doesn't really matter if you lose a Jedi, Like it's
just a fucking every life matters. But like mall top level, like there's
just so many. I kind of feel that is the case because Storm one
Jedi went missing the High Republic and they talked about him for entire book.
I think that's because of his his accolades too, right, I think these
different Jedi have different careers, and the ones that have more richer careers behind
them are praised more as these these all time powerful Jedi beings. But in
this show, particularly every time we're on course, I'm even when they're not
the Jedi temple, like Osha is walking away and Master Soul catches up to
her, you see tons of Jedi walking and ter mingling with the crowd,
just the civilians and behind like they're everywhere, all over the place in the
city. So to me that just feels like, Okay, we're just like
we're rich in this environment full of Jedi all over the place. And another
thing too, is like, is it really like unfathomable that Jedi can die?
Like I'm sure there's threats out there that Jedi are dying to, right,
So like if ten die, like, how many other teams Jedi are,
how many other Jedi are just like dying elsewhere in the universe, Like
I'm sure, they have a lot of issues as opposed to just this one
threat, which is kind of a number of Jedi dying though, that to
me is a tough pill to swallow, especially this is the age where they
are the top shit. But they do, Let's say, they don't know
that the Jedi died. All they know is that, Okay, these Jedi
went to find kel Naka and they went missing in the forest. And that's
that's my biggest thing is that forest is three super dangerous though. Yeah,
but they don't know necessarily that the that is linked to the other, the
other two murders, right, they don't know kil Naka has died because they
haven't heard from him in years and years and years. That's that's just where
I feel like the information is going to be getting murky because they're not going
to know and are they going to go back there and try to find it,
and what if they don't find what where the fight took place? And
if they can't see the wounds, they can't see it was a lightsaber that
causes these deaths, like the bodies are gone, who knows. Like there's
a lot of other what ifs, and we have there's another trailer scene of
the Jedi Master, the green one with the laser whip and who knows what
happens with her at this point because I'm not sure when they're going to sneak
that and if she catches up and like finds Master Soul or maybe the sith
Akal or Apprentice kills her. I'm calling him whatever his name is, apprentice
because yeah, but he's just the just for sure, he's trying to be
he's trying to be. Oh he's a sith but he's he's the apprentice.
He's like Vader to to a Palpatine. At this point, I'm oh,
at the last episode, I'm calling it, we're gonna see his master something.
I feel like you're intriguing me. Oh yeah, I feel like we're
gonna say he's not he's not the top dog. He's serving someone else.
And it makes sense because he's like, I want an apprentice because I'm gonna
take out my master, and I want a pupil. He wants an accolade.
Yeah, there's always bigger fish. I'm calling him. Now, we're
gonna see he's gonna he might bite it and get killed. And that final
episode, I'm hoping you get that plaguist like I'm with Taylor, I'm with
Titlor just sold me with that monologue there. I love it. I would
like that, but I think with how poorly was written for this reveal,
I don't think we're going down that route. I think this is the guy.
No. Last week, all like every conversation he had was like,
this is the guy. This is the guy. So usually in store writing,
one on one, you go you make sure that's not the guy.
Has to be someone else because all the viewers the whole week, everyone's like,
well, it's this fucking dude, and then what happened it's this fucking
dude. I liked his performance. I thought he did a really good job.
I think they gave him some shit lines of like you were hitting,
He's like, well that was the mask was for It's like, oh God,
like this is like I I think some of the lines that gave him,
I know somebody like, oh, what's a new sith? It just
was not. It felt more like that was my worry about making him the
villain, and what my hope was kudos to him looking great. Dude's in
great shape. When he had those sleeves, all those arms came out.
Yeah, good for him, Like not many like Sith and Jenner like great
shape really until like we got to Kylo Ren right, so it's like Hayden
was too, so like a couple of them, right, I guess it's
a Sith but so I I liked his acting. I think it's just some
of the dialogue they gave him and he what I was hoping for is they
talked about Okay, we were inspired by the what was it, Kira Tira,
what was the fucking name that we talked about? Uh, Kirklan Crey
Andrea. The thing is there is similarities, but like there is like a
difference of a personality. So when he first gets the mask off, he's
look like, oh here comes like a different personality, but he's kind of
like the same smuggler potions type of dude, which wasn't really screaming stiff to
me, but I'm down, like I'll take the open take for it.
But it just I think for me, it was poorly poorly in the reveal
because like we just we we knew it wasn't a reveal. It was just
that was the guy, like they dropped it. It felt very much like
the animated shows that are meant for kids, and that sucks. So that
way for me, Taylor you're pitching. I can't get on board with Oh,
there there's some great master planning, great finalitey coming up. Maybe I'll
be surprised, and that happened, But with how they just literally just open
face showed like this is the guy, and they took no effort to I
think, make a reveal, like there's so much stuff like oh, tell
me about Master Soul like last week and now like it's just all this stuff
where it's just I don't know they they I just think they keep making multiple
errors. So I am intrigued where we're going at the end. But I
hated the reveal. And there's other things I hated about the fight to which
we'll get into. So I feel like, again, we didn't this this
is probably way off, but we didn't see Palpatine all in the Obi Wan
show until the very end. You get a brief little thing with Vader having
his little communication with Palpatine, and I feel like you could get something similar
to that in this case where final episode the real Master's Apprentice dies, this
guy dies and then you get him on I don't know. Maybe he's on
a call or doing something. You just see his face and he's like,
I need he's dropping the Palpatine line fro an event of the seth. I
need a new apprentice, far younger, more powerful and just setting up like,
okay, play guess is looking out for I don't think you're competaus though
I think this is I think Mario's right. He's definitely the apprentice on his
own apprentice. So they agree with you there, one of the moms has
to be his master, and that's what I think. I don't think if
if your scenario is true, I think they'll try. And which is gonna
be annoying because everyone was like, well, it's either him or it's one
of the mothers, Like can't when don't we ever get it's just gonna be
a fucking dude or somebody. You know, why does it have to be
somebody? Because it's kind of a dude, like what else? But we
met him, we've been him for four episodes, Like I would have loved
that helmet, but no, I meant like I would have loved the helmet
came off and this is the first time we ever saw this person act hadn't
have been in the show nothing like just and it would be like fuck,
like what is this character? Consequence that way though, right, because if
it's potentially like a sith Master who's just this unnamed man, and then you
have all these fucking people going crazy on the Internet of like this person's not
in Wikipedia before like like yeah, his age. But that's when you build
the legend. That's when you get the fun because that's the blank canvas of
who is this character? Now he's this smuggler who's so then we have someone
that's like before Plagis that's just like a new relevant like sith Master, like
the Chief's uncle or something like Caddy Mundy like you oh yeah, no,
you're right. I think one hundred percent they will. I don't there was
a time that I thought Plagis and Palatine would be in the show. I
don't think so anymore. I think it will be somebody was before a Plagus
or something like that, because they don't. I'm not gonna say, don't
give a ship, but I think they will look at whatever like we're this
is our time. So I if we can replay this clip over if it
happens, I don't think the master of him is gonna be Plagas or anything
like an original character. Are you thinking Plagas is Master Darris because people have
been throwing that name around even that would have been great, Like if this
guy is Darth Tenibris, this guy is not he took center could be right,
I guess he was a what was it? What is it? Like
a biff? I think was he in canon? Though? Was he a
Biff and canon? Or was he a Biff in legends? We could be
this could be tenor Ris right now? Who's gonna train Plagas? And like
that's what I mean, Like the real the reveal, the reveal I would
have done, is you could do a Plagus or a Tenebris. But it'd
be great if like it's just that and only the people know. But the
like the people that are watching don't feel lost because it's a new character to
everybody in the show. It's not like this big like they take off the
helmet and souls like Doc Tenna Bruce and it's like the views of the viewers
like who the fuck is this guy? Like I don't know who he is,
but like that's how like you reveal the character if some fans know him,
great, but and again, I just it's just my wish of like
the twists didn't work. They did, Like were were you guys surprised?
I was him? Like that's my thing. I don't think anyone's surprised.
So to me, when it's like this big reveal of someone dies and the
helet comes off and he moves lightsabers and he moves his arms and he does
that bit like the big like just don't make it a big reveal, just
like have his helmet come off and it's him, not like oh my god,
it was like even then like he forced chokes May and he's like you
never even knew it was me, Like they're trying to make you feel like
this was a bit like we got you, and they didn't do that at
all. That's I think. It's just the execution of this big reveal,
which I don't think it's a reveal fair. I feel like I wasn't shocked,
but like when it happened, it's like, okay, here was that
guy, Like yeah, of course I haven't been on your guys like reviews
as of late, so we haven't like talked about it and discussed it.
I I like the review because I I feel like it was the perfect level
for kind of what this character is. Like if it was plagueis you know,
yeah, obviously I need a big We don't know his name yet,
right, it could be God. That would be a fucking I'm just I'm
just saying, buckle up, you know. I I I liked it because
it's like, okay, we have not only is the look something new,
then at least I've experienced from these live action like Sith threats. He's got
like the scary mask. I'm not a big fan of the scary mask,
but hey, at least it's something different, right, Like it's not just
like a Vader rip off, it's it's smile. They add some creepiness to
it. But I yeah, I don't know. I I thought his mannerisms.
Was a big fan of it. But at least give them credit for
something different than like just a very like rigid type character that just does force
powers like like actually very agile threat. I really loved all the hand like,
I really liked the fight actually overall, like I thought all the hand
to hand that he was doing uh when he turned off, like when he
snaps your neck yourd's neck. Oh man, I was like, fuck,
yeah that was that was vicious. I like that. And then when he
takes out uh yeah, oh like the triple dot like a predator attack.
Like I loved it. So I really liked his performance. I think in
that whole sequence, I agree with you, Travis. I thought like the
dialogue was pretty weak, but he was really good. But yeah, no,
just like finish off my thoughts on the reveal. I thought it was
a good level for what this show is. Yeah, yeah, I mean
I I just I think the combat was wonderful this I'm not an overly huge
fan of the combat that we got in the sequel trilogy with the Lightsabers.
I am someone who is easily there for the original and the prequel. I
love that kind of different Jedi fight stance as they got going on, and
here I think that there's again the dialogue, of course, it's questionable when
Yord's talking about how, oh he's not adhering to the rules of engagement or
something like that, It's like, of course not. This fucker's trying to
kill you and he's gonna take every advantage that he can get. But again,
it shows that over confidence and that cockiness of the of the Jedi,
and each Jedi here has a very different mentality and they've developed along their own
path and it's reflected very well on the fight here because it focuses on Soul
Jeckie and Jord, and I think it's it's interesting to see how their fates
kind of unfold as they're engaging the Sith Lord. So yeah, Ord,
I mean he he definitely doesn't last very long, but I think everything with
the scythe Lord and his fighting was sick. When he a couple of notable
moments when he swings around and like stabs his lightsaber through the one late lady
Jedi and used the force to pull the other Jedi and like fucking in pales
like behind her into the saber and then swings and cuts their heads off.
That was cool. And yet just the way he actually his lightsaber is I'm
not sure if it's a full secondary blade, but he's got his main saber
and he unclips and pulls it off and it's almost like a shorter version and
just pops three quick ones into Jeki. That caught me off guard. I
was like, holy fuck, like she just died. And yeah, when
he took out Yord too. That was crazy. And my favorite thing is
how his helmet and his gauntlet. I thought he was wearing bestcar, but
then when he actually has it where it kind of like shatters and disables the
Jedi sabers temporarily. That is such a cool, a cool thing. I
really really like that. It made me kind of think of it's different.
But you remember Travis in the was a Master and Apprentice book where they had
they were able to affect the lightsabers. I think they wanted to switch to
kiber crystals inside uh Qui gon obi Wan's sabers so that they wouldn't work on
them or it would fuzz them out or whatever. Yeah, and it was
supposed to show that technology isn't perfect obviously, But yeah, I just think
that that was really really cool and you would need that in this world where
there's many a Jedi right where it's like not saying like sure, I'm sure
Darfate would like to have that building with other people, but with this,
when you could be going up against multiple Jedi, it would be good to
take out their sword for a little bit. So yeah, no, I
agree with all that stuff. I like the way he moved. I liked
his look as far as yeah, him being Jack, but just like the
way that it was kind of a he had the thing on and then like
he like some of his skin was revealed, some wasn't, So I think
it was a good look. I'm still, like I said on the helmet,
I'm iffy on it. I go back and forth on it. But
I like his design. And yeah, I thought the fights for the most
part was great. I don't think it was anything stand out. So that's
why I go the other side of like Taylor, where I couldn't like like
Ray and Kylo in the woods and the snow. Like to me, I'm
putting that above that because like it has the just certain in photography and themetrical
things that are much better. I liked the little mini sword. That was
cool. So yeah, I liked the fight. I am interested to see
how people feel about him getting taken up by the bugs, because I feel
like I just got flashbacks of King and ant Man. I'm like, oh
man, people are gonna fucking hate this. And it's just because it's the
exact same scene, right it's bugs take out the main villain first time you
fight him and It's like, oh, I can see the memes already about
this, this weak Sith guy getting taken out by the bugs, like he
didn't lose, but neither the King, right, Like King technically lost to
ant Man, but everyone just always brings up he lost those bugs, and
I just feel like that's what's gonna happen. I saw him again, permanent
death. You know, you see me after that scene, after that scene
he fights Paul Rudd. That's what happens. That's what I mean. Everyone
has revisious history. They say Kang got beat by ants, but he didn't.
He gets out of there and Scott Lane makes him small. But that's
what I just. I just I'm wondering when I saw Carrie Way, like,
oh no, he's getting the King Ants treatment, Like we don't do
that. Even though it was like a kind of a fun way for oshit
come out. So No. I think the fight scenes were all good.
I don't think I would put them in the Great Scene. But I think
what made it memorable was the length of it, Like how long it's going.
It kind of reminds me of like if you got to see Anakin at
the Jedi count like Temple killing all those Jedi right, it's kind of like
that way where it's like an exhibition. I am my complaint here again,
like a broken record, is we just don't have enough time for I don't
give a shit about Jordan Jackie dyeing now and now that again affects the show
more for me, going back where already we were like we need more time
with these characters, with these storylines, with these connections, and now knowing
episode five is their end, and these small amounts they were in the first
episodes, it's just again like either just shit or get off the pot,
decide to go longer episodes, or don't introduce these many characters, just leave
it a soul and have a bunch of randoms like to me and daphink that's
the thing. Like I like Jackie because Daphne Keen she does a great job,
but they did give me no reason to really care about her. They
gave me no reason to care about your It's just it's just frustrating. It's
it's I it's just like a from the ground up level of writing that I
have an issue with now knowing that's their fate. I think I could have
been fine with losing one of them, but losing both of them and we
hardly knew. Ye, it's just I don't know again, Yeah, we
watching the show. I think it'll hurt me more so, didn't It wasn't
a fan of that, That's fair. I definitely felt more for the Jekie
death than your no one likes you word. Unfortunately, no Ord. If
you asked me at the beginning, like who's gonna die? No money's on
your to survive. That guy is I don't know. It just doesn't seem
confident in himself or anything. But we didn't. Let's you struggle to like,
like tell tell me five, tell me three personality traits about your or
Jeckie or like even the twins. It's like it's so hard to come up
with them because these fucking twenty seven minute episodes, you know. I I
like the fact that we had a lot of Jedi here. I love whenever
we have a single red lightsaber just popping off on all these multicolors and just
just destroying them, like just it. It just shows I feel like the
dilution of Jedi and just because there is so many you have a lot of
Yords in your crew, you know, like there who's the survivor of this
pack. You have Master Soul who's like, yeah, okay, he's a
He's a true master, and that's felt like it Like, I like how
a character like that stands out amongst the Jedi where he is a survivor and
it's not just because he has like a personal tie or something to to our
villain. So yeah, I like the quantity of Jedi that we're just getting
off here because it just again it shows like the the viciousness and just disregard
for like a rule of engagement for the Sith, because they're just doing whatever
they need to to just win and just power is everything, and the Jedi
just have these rules and that's what holds them back. So I like that
demonstration. I like also that we have characters that we at least know of
dying. It's not just like random dude one with the blue lightsaber. I
wish maybe we just had more scenes of Jackie, more more than Yord,
and then have like at least Yord's interaction with Osha and may Or. I
guess it's just Osha especially they talk about like how much they knew each other.
Yeah, and that was the one conversation they had about it, and
that was it. So I would have been fine if we just like had
that conversation and then seeing him a couple of times and then he just dies,
where Like I feel like some of his other dialogue with May that just
went nowhere could have been or Osha, I keep interchanging their names. Just
replace that with more like Jecki moments, or maybe have that character with our
other characters just more and maybe you get that if you have a longer run
time. I don't know, like I would have liked to see that particular
character more, but I also like just the consequence of Okay, we at
least have two characters that we know of that died here, and then all
the other Jedis of course that perished. But I don't know, it's it's
a it's a tough balancing act because especially when you're limited to your runtime that
you have. So I don't know if that's just remedied by doing longer episodes.
I don't know if that's really their decision or whatnot. But yeah,
Taylor, your thoughts on the Fallen Jedi. I mean, I just wasn't
expecting to get your and Jackie to be falling, and I just caught me
off guard with their deaths too. And I thought for sure that we were
going to get most of these Jedi coming out on top at least, not
at most, but are ones that have been named that we've been following since
the first episode is just body fucking the plagueist Junior kill them. Yeah,
But that would have that absolutely would have detract for me, the everything with
Keddy money and the dialogue and their little small council meaning all that stuff,
and just the Sith returning. It would have detracted all of that. But
the fact that the only ones still alive is Master Soul, that that reaffirms
where I feel like, Okay, there's there's a lot of stuff kind of
hidden in this dialogue that they're saying. And Master Sol being the one to
come out on top, I totally I like that. And it's not even
because he was the better fighter yet well he almost did actually get him,
I guess, but again that would have been out of anger. That would
have been a bad place for the Jedi to do that, because he would
have I mean, it would have been executing. It would have been Anakin
and Dooku in episode three and so Ultimately it was the the flying tree beadles,
the bugs that took him took him out. And at one point you
were gonna say, like, oh, he survived, and I came you
were trying off. But I was gonna say because of plot armor, because
two times they did it where for some reason in O playus Junior, I'm
just gonna call him that for now, and just to piss everyone off,
playis Junior gets sold down and then he just disappears. And then later on
the episode when he's fighting Jackie, he takes out one of our lightsabers,
and what does he do? He just disappears. Why he doesn't execute these
people then makes it literally no sense, especially Soul who's like on the ground.
But it's because they gotta have a big fight scene there so they can
die in front of oh Sha and everything in May right, but just like
why, like it's just it made no sense. I can kind of go
with you on the Jackie one, because he sees he sees May running,
so I guess he has to catch her. But then they do have a
shot, which I think there's some fun. Like I said, I'm trying
not to be like completely negative. I think the fights are great. There's
some great like that's the stuff where if I were just to watch that a
bottle like somebody to fan film. Okay, great fights. There's this weird
fucking shot this uber zoom in on plagis Junior's face where he's like you,
actually, it's more like you can't ro you can't get away from me,
May you and my bubble. That's when he's in her head. But like
they make it like he's running because they show his face and there's trees and
he's moving it like a rapid rate. So it's like, again, if
he can move that fast, why does he not just like yeah, kill
Jack and and like I'm running like they May. It seem like, oh,
I have to get every where she's escapes, but he's like he turns
into fucking Ezra Miller, who this guy already looks like, and you just
like speak what you can you can force run. So I again the little
things where they just needed the characters to be alive for some reason and then
killed them later, and I like, I mean, you're not wrong.
I just figured it. Okay, like May is his main target here because
May was gonna who knows exactly how much May knows. I mean, it's
it's hard to say for sure if she she was willing to just expose all
of that, and so for him, it's like, okay, yeah,
May you're you're my target number one. You're the person I want to go
and kill. And the Jedi are kind of there, but she keeps on
get Like her escape scene was crazy because she kept trying to like go and
go and go, and uh, I thought that was an interesting sequence when
she was trying to run away and you have Jackie and you have Soul just
kind of like zig zaging around her and like every time the Master was jumping
around trying to like slash at her, like you have Jackie dive in and
like block a Sean whatnot? Which seeing the dual wields, it's been a
good minute since we've seen dual wields and have action, So I really appreciate
that just happened. Last year we just had a Soca dude. Oh well
different, different, different. How the character uses two fucking lights different color,
different color, very different. No, that's right, that's right.
That has the dual wheels. We don't see that in in the Revenge of
the Sith though, that was only in battle Front too that we got to
I don't remember in Clone Wars actually, I think it was just one Saber
if I had to put money on it. But you're right, I I
redact that. Ahsoka, Absolutely, that was definitely two Sabers. For some
reason, my mind was going back, Oh no again, there was even
in bulb effect because we had color in Beck so they've been they've been dabbling
back into that. My mind was going back to Attack of the Clones,
thinking, oh, Anakin was the last one used to sas, so I
was really back to recap. I guess Revenge of the Sith when he decapped
count. I can't remember. Fucking they do and ride the Skywalker as well,
don't think because at one point doesn't Ray have both Lightsabers, doesn't cout,
she just blocks the lightning. All the Jedi, she's just blocking the
lightning. I mean, full combat. I love like, Oh it hasn't.
It's been a while since we've got them. There's like three now,
big occasions of her. It's happening, the dual little thing, you know.
So yeah, okay, let's talk about me. Last week. If
I'm wrong, someone correct me. She started the episode she was with the
Master, gonna kill the Wookie, right, change your mind decided. Now
that Oshan is alive, that changes everything. I'm gonna go tell the Jedi
what's happening, and I'm gonna be with Ocean turn myself in. So this
week she gets a chance to turn herself in, doesn't do that. She
has a chance to. As of last week, she said she was gonna
work with the Jedi. Let them know. This episode she is actively because
I was watching for it. During the fight, she's actively trying to kill
Jeckie. She's throwing blades in like her throat chest area, which we saw
a few episodes. Go kill fucking Trinity, right. I don't understand what
is going on with this character at all, where we've had three weeks in
a row now, where their allegiances maybe even four are all over the place.
If she wanted to work with the Jedi and help them or turn herself
in, why is she trying to murder Jekie in this episode? Her allegiance
was always to Osha, right in this case, That's what we see reaffirmed
here. So the reason she's trying to murder Jekie is because Jackie is now
getting in her way. The whole situation has completely kind of done because the
Master showed up, and so the Master killed a bunch of Jedi. She's
seen this, and she thinks, Okay, first of all, I'm not
safe with these Jedi. He's gonna kill everyone. I need to get out
and just find Osha. And so when the situation has changed like this,
that's why she's like, you know, Jackie, you're you're gonna handcuff me
and then the Master's gonna kill us both. I need to get the hell
out of here and get you out of my way so I can go find
Osha and like make my I need happen happen with her. So I think
the moment her plans derails and she renounces turning herself into get to Osha and
whatnot is because the ten Jedi that are there are no longer like it's it's
not even a factor. It's the Master's here and the Master. She knows
what the Master is capable of, and that totally changes the whole context of
the situation. Again, I think it's just like kind of someone else he
said this episode, where I think someone that does work, But it's that's
not in the show, right, we don't get the same thing as like
John, you say, like she said that the queen what's his name again,
fucking kymier kym Here because she wasn't trusting him. I'm not sure she
was ever gonna turn herself in. But the problem is she doesn't interact with
anyone else. So all we have her is just last week saying I'm gonna
turn myself in. That's saying it to him and the viewer. And this
is the part where kime Here is tied up, hanging upside down. She
has no reason to lie to him, she's outsmart him. So I just
think this character they've just dropped the ball was so hard. I don't and
I feel like this episode they made her back to just being overly kind of
I won't say sithy, but more dark side bad person. Where again that
turned last week with like, oh, I gotta OSHA's a lot that gotta
change everything, which again even in this episode, it feels like she's like
doesn't even like Osha anymore. She's just gonna leave Osha there to die,
Like she knows the Master could probably find Osha, and if he does,
she does not know for a fact, he's not gonna kill her. Where
last week she said Osha being a live changes everything. She just left her
for dead. Like this character is just it's one of the most poorly written
characters in Star Wars ever, and it sucks because I like the actress,
but the actions do not make sense with what this character says week to week
and it keeps changing, and it's just that's odd for a character that,
like I said, will do anything for her sister to now leave her there
for dead at the end of this episode. I don't know, don't get
it. I definitely see where you're coming from. I I feel like I
would admit that May is probably like the lowest part of the show for me
too, which she's crazy because that's like your lead. I don't know,
like it like all valid points with what you're bringing up. I feel like
it's tough to follow kind of wear her allegiance and like mind is at I
thought I had that figured out. I was surprised when she was doing this
like hero turn it felt as of last week like gonna go turn herself in
and then it's just like they forgot about that, and you know, you
can make the argument that it's all she's just trying to deceive certain people.
But you know, like there's good ways to show a character deceiving someone,
and I don't think that was what this is. It's like she just it's
like she just doesn't know what the fuck's going on, and she's just wishy
washy, and she's like, now I just gotta get a crazy haircut to
just you know, like I'm just all over the place. Who knows what
I'm gonna do next. I'm like chop my own arm off. So yeah,
And like even from like OSHA's perspective, like it just seems like she's
so done with May as well, and May's keeps keeps bringing up like remember
where we come from, Like you forgot our family, and like in the
flashback, she was already fucking done with her family. Like it's just I
don't know it was there driving point she didn't she did not want to be
a part of that family. And it's like May's trying to win her back,
like remember remember when we were back there. It's like I do,
and and I know you didn't like that, so but what I liked about
it just for people that knew and when you were on it. I liked
that for the first two episodes. It made it seem like all these sisters
loved each other and they didn't know each other. We're alive. But I
liked the twist of oh no, they grew up and they actually weren't the
closest. So that's why them meeting back up, it wouldn't be like an
instant hug and love and we're back together. But like you said, May
and this episode's pitching that, I was like, remember our lives. It's
like, yeah, I fucking hated my life, sister, like I wanted
to be a Jedi. I wanted to leave there. My mother said I
could leave like you fucking burned a book and did this shit, which we
still don't. I want that clarified because that was still super sloppy that episode.
So I'm with you where it's just this character is all over the map,
which sucks because it's a good actress. But I just yeah, I
didn't get that speech either of like, well come back, like why,
like I don't know why? What is again? We need more specifics and
why she'd want to come back because she didn't want to do that and her
whole life doesn't seem like she's been wanting to get back. The only things
we've seen these episodes with her like rekindling of maybe want to be a Jedi
again, never being like, man, I really wish I was a witch,
you know, I really, I really fucked it up. I should
have stayed with my family. It's been like, oh, I'm feeling the
force, and now she's like hearing visions or hearing other people's thoughts. So
it's like the Jedi stuffsmore waking. I'm not the witch thing. But that
was another thing actually in like the third episode that just kind of, I
guess, kind of bothered me. Was just like OSHA's. It seemed obsession
with like Jedi, and it just seemed like she just wanted to be a
Jedi since the day she was born, even though when she didn't know what
the fuck Jedi were, and I would imagine she grew up here. The
sisters are not very like they would learn about the Jedi. Yeah, they
got cool lightsabers. You could choose her colture like it's awesome. Yeah,
Like it just seems so random of her, like I want to be a
Jedi, and I get it. She could hate her her like she just
wants to go and meet other kids. I think she was making that argument
in the episode, but it just seemed very random that it's just like I'm
just gonna be a Jedi now and I'm just gonna leave, and then the
mother was just like, yeah, that's okay, you can do that.
Like it. I just didn't like that whole execution there, and the whole
decision to have the one sister that's really in it and the other sister that's
just not I think it's just I would have preferred a different story I think
for that origin. But where Osha is now give us the time where even
if she doesn't learned about the may the Jedi show up and it is a
forty five minute episode where OSHA's around the Jedi and talks the soul and builds
a connection like well what is the Jedi? And I talk about their principles
and everything like that, like they she gets to learn like, oh,
I would like to like what they do is something that I align with,
not the idea of like the Jedi and lightsabers and the Force, just the
idea of I see my life going this way and it aligns with what these
people are even if you are not with them. It aligns with the jed
I But yeah, yeah, uh, let's take another ad break and then
we'll be right back. We're back. Let's just throw a few comments that
Marius says, come here. Death is not trying to kill Mary Osha,
which I think we agree with that one. He's trying to turn them Osha
think he was manipulating them, like he say he's getting his head, which
yeah, classic sith thing. The Wizard says, it's very possible that May
and Osha are one person split into two bodies. They say and do and
know things about the others, which could be true. It's also tough because
like they both have the force, so that can also just be it right,
like I know May calls it the thread, but like they do share
the force, right, And then John says maybe Osha was brainwashing and they
said maybe. But that's where like they got to write that, right.
It can't just be like kind of like what Taylor will do, which I
Taylor's great Taylor. They should get on the writing staff because he'll explain it
better than the show does. But they still have to show us that it
can get a job at Wikipedia. Everybody's getting dual lightsabers. We haven't seen
one of these reason in a while, Like the poster of All's movies are
like a dual lightsabers. Again, they have to show us that, they
have to tell us that. It can't just be like oh, May just
saying like your brainwashed, your brainwashed again. Soul didn't talk, and I
think is gonna say something, but they still don't explain, like what the
fuck happened at the Witches right, because like they lit a book and everyone
died, So I really want that explained because I hate the ending that episode
because it's just so random. So I imagine I think Camire is gonna be
the I think he's gonna spill the beans to May. There's a few there's
a few interesting things here now. When Kimier was talking to Soul, he
mentioned a few different things. The first one was you don't remember who I
am and I'm That didn't imply the the like the market setting, because Soul,
like, is he implying like you don't remember me in the market I
hope not. If you don't remember the drugs you bought from me, I
thought I thought the same thing as you I thought, oh, this is
a deeper meaning. It better not just be the fucking oh I was a
smuggler guy from a couple episodes ago. Yeah, it is. It is
deeper than that. That's how I felt, like, I hope as well.
The other thing too, was he didn't want to take his helme off
because he didn't want to let masters get into his head. And that makes
me think, Okay, maybe that kind of goes hand in hand with how
he kind of did he lure in or bait oh show when she was a
child, like, hey, you want to be a Jedi, And that's
how maybe he got into her mind. And maybe again the whole theme with
this episode was getting inside your mind because Osha was talking about it to Or
because Yord was saying like, oh, he's just he's in my mind.
That couldn't get him out and he just creeps from there. And then Osha
was like, oh, you know, my my mother was able to do
that too a long time ago. So again there's hints again that you have
of the mother's connects. There is that, But you said something Travis last
week where you were saying that it's possible that maybe the mother's are working with
with a plagues like character too right, and we have to think too like
with that, I'm pretty sure you said that when we have when you have
to this context too of maybe let's say twenty years maybe fifteen, I'd say
twenty years actually when where she was a kid to that flashback to now,
that's a lot of time. And you look at Kime here, I mean,
yeah, he's he's around OSHA's. It's just gonna say so, I
mean, like, who you do have someone to me? It makes sense
where you have a Sith character working with these witches to create like a force
force children and and then not only like do you get what I'm saying,
I feel like that. I feel I still feel like he's a little too
young because though I think I can't remember what you pitch, you run a
role, so I don't want to interrupt you, but I thought you were
trying to pitch or saying something about him learning or get to I think,
like, I guess there's a chance that he's been trained from like a little
small child like they were, So I guess there's a possibility. I just
have to see I guess some backstory and if that could work, because he
to me, he seems pretty much their age, and that's exactly it.
So what happened? What I'm thinking here, hypothetically, you have the twins,
everything's going good, Jedi come in, soul does some force manipulation stuff.
Possibly things kind of derail and now Plaguus is if it's Plaguus is out,
he doesn't have his four sensitive twins. And now all of a sudden,
the one mother, the Zabrek female, who's still kicking around because we
didn't see her die, people are speculating she's still around. People thought that
that was the master, but it's not. She's around. She was like,
Okay, we need to find someone here quick. We find Kimer,
get him in here, and then we work together and that kind of brings
the twins back into the fold here whatnot. But things kind of derail it
because if you look at where the mother is basically in cahoots with Kimeer,
would she approve of Kaymer saying you know what, may you're gonna rat us
out, I'm gonna execute you. Do you think she would approve of that?
Or I think I'm agreeing of Like that could be a stretch, but
that's that's where for me these next four or three episodes, whatever the result
and conclusion is, I feel like they're walking a very tight rope and I
think they're gonna fall. But I feel like there's a lot of scenarios.
But I think there's I think we had this the past few weeks when we
try to pitch stuff like, well, that doesn't work, and that might
not work, so there's a possibility, but there's all these things like even
then, I just don't the zabrack, Like, I don't buy why would
it? Was the mother like her partner saying like letting may or let Osha
go to the Jedi, right, why does that mean that Zabrak's gonna kill
like all her fellow like all the other witches Like that to me is also
like a huge leap of like I need a lot of backstory of why would
you massacre everybody there? We didn't get a scene where all of them voted
and she was out and voting and she's like, fuck everybody, like why
are you voting for the Jedi? It was no the mom said it you
could go, and like, well, I don't know, it's fifty to
fifty, but clearly they preferred mother Anissa so like for her to pull a
mole massacre on all the witches see like a big leap as well. And
now there's a lot Again with short episodes, it's hard because you have a
lot to squeeze in, and it's hard because you're not they're not squeezing everything
in to develop some of these characters. But do you potentially have this one
witch who kind of made a pact here with a syth like character and didn't
let the others know, and that's why you have them more open to the
fact, like, hey, the Jedier here, we don't like it,
but they're gonna do what they're gonna do. And then you have this zaback
mother who's like, well, I made this pact with this guy and he's
gonna kill like kill us all if I don't stick to it like I promised
the twins to him kind of a thing, right, Yeah, maybe again,
It's just like that's always my problem with the short run times is now
we pretty much go an hour left, give or take right. If there's
three episodes left, we got an hour and that and I imagine they're gonna
leave on somewhat of a cliffhanger. Who knows. They haven't announced the season
two that might come after the fact, so we'll see. I don't know
if it's gonna end on like a massive cliffhanger where we have to see the
season two. I feel like you almost have to do this because I don't
think you can wrap this all up in a bow in one season. I
really don't. So it's like, what do you want to focus on?
And if you do what you're talking about, like revealing all this stuff,
I feel like that's one episode down and then you got two episodes left of
present day stuff. I really don't know, And it could be the Zapbrack.
I agree with people's theory of she could have when people like Osha or
May says OSHA's brainwashed, maybe she brainwashed her or made her do that book
thing because she does like the black I think. I don't know. There's
a lot of routes. I don't think any of them are particularly clean right
now, but I'll have to wait and see to like episode eight, really
but Kirkling, any thoughts on where going? And two things before you go?
The Wizard says Osha told you or that she saw her mother fight a
Jedi. For example, yeah, but why would that make her want to
be a Jedi? That doesn't make much sense. And I feel like the
mother right awaybe that's the enemy. I don't think it'd be like, man,
this person's at attacking my mother, that's what I want to grow up
to be. But maybe everyone deals with everything else. That's a jump.
Jam Mara says, what do you think the duality of the episode titles?
We got double titles Destiny and yeah, yeah we do. Yeah, Like,
I know it sounds dumb, but like I literally think it's just because
it's twins and they just wanted to like that's their gimmick. That's all.
That's my opinion. I think it's just for me the writing the show and
so far. I don't think it's some big, deeper meaning. I think
it's just like, hey, wouldn't it be cool because there's twins if we
had double episodes, That's what I think. I didn't even notice that the
episodes were. I remember like Lost, Found Revenge, Justice, and then
I think episode three was just Destiny, so just nothing really tied to that.
But I guess just the overall show and in general. Any thoughts on
the question light, what are your thoughts on the I guess it ties a
little bit while we talked about with the beginning of like is is the Apprentice,
but the idea of like the zab rack may oh, like all that
stuff, like what's gonna be revealed here? With like what really went down
here? Because Soul said he had something to tell Oh shit, it didn't
happen in this episode. He's still alive. Everyone thought he was gonna get
the Edward Stark treatment where he would get killed off right away, but he
isn't. He is with uh may now, so that might not be the
exact rep Yeah, what do you what do you think is gonna happen here
or if it does happen. Yeah, I think there's definitely still a lot
more meat on the like the Witch's bone to just talk about the survivors,
I guess and got a problem with how I drink stuff, Taylor, no
laughing bone? Okay? Good? Yeah, I think there's more there.
I definitely now that like we talk about it more, I am starting to
think that there is going to be a significant tie to our Minni Palpatine whatever
the fuck you called him, and uh, it's like Junior and the Witches.
I I just think it's it's something so left unanswered that it's going to
have to be one and the same to just really like hit home OSHA's decision.
I think, to like go on the Jedi route. She's already was
stand offish with her her upbringing and her family there and and just the other
sisters. But I think if we get a revealed that it's it's more than
just like a I don't know, she felt odd like or she felt like
an outcast, like she wanted to leave. I think it's they will go
the route that there is something that's really against just where she aligns. I
guess if you want to just call it that on the light side of the
force, to just see that as the enemy, I think. I think
Soul also will reveal something that upsets her. I don't know exactly what it
would be, but just something to kind of put Osha in an unwary place.
And I definitely think that could come like while he's on death's door,
like he's about to just die, and it's when he reunites with the real
Oshan, is what you're saying, Cause remember he's not with Osha right now,
he's with May and disguise. Remember, Wow, I actually completely missed
that, so that makes a lot more sense. Now, Yeah, do
you remember when May cut her hair? Do you see that part? Yeah?
And okay, so I was very confused why what happened with Plegas Junior
and why he just found he's on the ship right there. I was so
lost. So yeah, that actually makes a lot of sense. That must
have been when I sent you guys a meme earlier and I missed that part.
Yeah, so okay, that's that's actually really interesting. I swapped so
right now Osha again, that was one of my problems that May just left
her sister to die. But whatever, May fucking sucks. Osha is now
with Plegas Junior, and then May in disguise as Osha is with Soul,
which I feel like I have like a little issue that Soul couldn't sense that
it's not Osha. I don't know, he's compromised right now. There is
a lot that just rocked his world and Jackie died. But for me,
I expect, though, when he's not rocked then to sense it. And
do you think he will? Taylor my you know, pumped one out.
Yeah, he's just in the bath and I'm just like shup I survived.
I'm the best. I was taking more like a sad thing, like he
was like pity beat beat, pity beats, Like I thought the master.
I know. I think that he will detect it. But you're gonna get
that scene where like he's gonna say something and he's gonna click like May Osha
May is gonna like look at him and and then she's gonna like disarm him
and take him out or something like that, and then you're gonna get some
dialogue between the two and it's gonna have some kind of unveiling. But I
do think that that's again she's gonna be the one to kill him. You're
you're whoa, jeez, You've said a lot of things there that I have
to not pick apart, but at least pick a bone with you said like,
oh, they're gonna say in some conversation. I really hope it's not
just like he says the word may and she's like yes, I mean no,
I'm Osha. Like I hope it's not that she stumbles. I hope
it's that he picks up like this is supposed to be some pad on.
That's what's gonna happen actually, oh god, But like I hope it's some
like him, like intuition of like fucking Osha was his apprentice. Like remember,
I know it's not the same thing, but like remember even obi Wan
series, the second anag Invader's around, obi Wan's miles away and he's but
yeah, he paused in that he paused, Like it's a great scene.
Remember when Vader's going in that camp and Obione can show and she's like killing
all the fucking INSI people. But before you get there, obi Wan sens
is like, fuck, like Anagan's here. So I feel like when he
has all his brothers, he should sense like this isn't Osha. So I
hope it's not just she fucks up saying something and then he's like what you're
notsh Like I feel like he kind of goes down a couple of matches,
you know. My Devil's Advocate take on that I wasn't asking for as is
like if they are twins, or maybe we find out that they are like
super like tied together more than what twins would be. Whoever said it in
the comments of just that they're like one and the same, Like I feel
like that they must have same energy. Right, It's not like they're just
thinking Dark Force side may have that connection with him. I wouldn't work.
I don't think so that that's what I'm trying. That's why I had to
blanket State and this Devil's advocates. I I I it's so hard for me
to think of like a Jedi master to just like see someone. Now,
Taylor brought up that he is very compromised here, so maybe the adrenaline.
Maybe when the adrenaline dies down, but like, I think that has to
happen. I I think his intuition has to just like turn up a notch,
because they should be able to not like feel like like you brought the
example of Obi Wan and Anakin, and like you should be able to just
feel them, especially if you're so in tune with the force, like masters
pretty connected to Oshan, Like he seems like heresout. It's not like one
of the many apprentices had. He feels like they had a backstory they've had.
Like they even say, like you shouldn't go on this mission because they're
too emotional about this. But I promise you it's gonna be what Taylor said,
and it's not gonna be that him sensing it, and you're gonna hear
me bitch about in a couple of weeks where it's gonna be May screwing up
saying something and Soul's gonna look like a fucking idiot who couldn't sense it.
That is my prediction. It's so funny that I just completely missed that because
when when now May goes and like just like gives out his hand, I'm
like, this is the most sus thing in the world. Like it is
just so odd the way that she is like approaching him and like not really
mourning anyone or like taking a moment to really taking it in. It's just
like we have to go to the ship. Now, let's go and then
like just like a fault, like just the whole camera follow too of them
like going to the ship. It's just super super suss And I think Mario's
actually nailed on the head with the Basil's gonna just sniffer out. I think
that's how it's gonna happen. I don't think so there's no way you think
they were alluding to it heavily, because yeah, Basil got told right,
uh Pip Droid. Ah, So something gonna be like, I don't does
it have to do well, Pip, that's different you're telling me Pip,
Bazel and Pip. It's like rocket and groote, right, I don't kill
that as a wind. Basil he just fell backwards in it. He wasn't
like I brought this droid to see if this is the real I think I
think that could have a hand in it, because May is not going to
react with pips sniffer yes, oh yeah he will. Okay, I'm with
you guys on the Pip. I'm with you on the Pip. I'm not
with you guys on the Basil's gonna sniffer out. I don't think the thing
though, is the only one that could understand Basil was yours, And I
mean no one else speaks the same like calm down, my friend came down,
little one. He's they're trying to like, no, this is oh
shaw, my well loved a Prentice. I don't want that either, Like
I don't want to see the scene where her base was like this was like
you're not I don't. I feel like the chance for soula look really dumb,
Like the percentages are looking really high with what you guys are pitching here,
and that scares the fuck out of me. I want to circle back
to uh, Taylor, you said May is gonna kill Soul. I think
May is gonna kill Soul. Okay, Kirkle, do you agree with that
assessment? Yeah, Okay, I'm gonna say no. I'm gonna say this
show is shoddingly doing it. But I think they're trying to make May like
somewhat turn good or something. I think she's gonna spend some time with Soul
and realize like, oh, I have been killing people whatever in a merciful,
less lay way yet, so I think she won't. And then I
think maybe the Master will pop up play a junior and fuck him up.
But she's gonna turn May and Ocean. I love that. I remember when
we did the last Jedi review and there was a scenario where we talked about
what if and you know, whatever happened in that series happened, But I
thought, man, how cool would it have been in the middle of episode
eight if they had Kylo Wren turned to the good side and Ray turned the
dark side? And that like mid switch of protagonists in the series. To
me, when you're not fucking needing a billion dollars to break. Well,
this show did cost a lot of money. But like box office right wise,
right, they can line and say, oh, it's the most watched
Star Wars show every this is the time to take those fucking risks. So
like, imagine the next time they meet up, they reveal that like May
does reveal, like even out of guilt, she reveals, Hey, I'm
not Osha, and he trains her because she does in the Force. We
did see her use have we seen her? Yeah, we've seen her use
the four skull times, but she did a four lights they were pick up
in this episode. Wouldn't that be so fucking awesome next season to pick up
with Soul having her as his apprentice on the good side now then May or
sorry, OSHA's turned the dark side with fucking play as Junior. That shit
where it's like that's doesn't work though, and I mean I feel like you're
breaking your own your own case where like how did Vader get to go to
Force goes Jedi Heaven when he killed everyone? Right, Like, there's no
Well you always say that and complain that Vader shouldn't be going up to like
good guy Heaven because the charged troshity is that he did. But then why
would why would May be able to get brought in as like Soul's apprentice,
like, oh, you know what, we'll disregard you killed three Jedi.
They give her a pass. Maybe it's a thing where she's with Soul for
now, but once they catch play against Junior and May, your time's up,
you're gonna go. But that wouldn't that apply to Vader. Vader killed
Palpatine, Oh he done, pass, he does, but if he lived
though, I mean he went to I feel like it's the same thing.
You you give him a pass. I wouldn't find for some reason, Let's
say before everything happens to the death start, they're like, Vader, you're
a good guy. Great, but the second pupl Tine is dead, you
gotta go jail. Absolutely, I'd be fine at that deal. I'd be
fine. I like, hey, oh, May, you're not a free
person, but we need you right now. You know the Master, you
know Osha. But once I get you, you're going to jail. I'd
be fine with that. That's a part of the mission. But if it's
like, yeah, you're just a free lady, that doesn't make sense.
But again, Star is always about redemption, right, so they would just
give like Vader, they would have just given them the fucking past. I'm
like, well, you killed the Emperor, doesn't matter, you killed like
twenty million kids, welcome back, an I can't and he even sitting there
doing yub numb and everything. Yeah so but I but that's to me a
challenge with the writer of like, hey, same thing that he gave me,
s Anar. Okay, how do you make that work? That's how
you make it work the same way that we always said, did Kyler Ren
need to fucking die? And Rise of Skywalker did you need to die?
No? What did we get with Master Torbin this season? That was your
fucking blueprint for Kylo Ren right there? He survives and guess what, he's
non the mission because he's just gonna fucking put himself on an island and just
meditate for decades. But no, they fucking kill him because like, well,
you know whatever, we gotta make him like Vader. So that's I
mean, if you make it interesting and that imagine that poster of Soul and
May going down on the met not going going down off with Plagis Junior and
May like oh man, like there's some that's the bass law switching me too,
Like that's what I love, Like that's all republic when she makes that
switch, like I would love to see that. That's probably not gonna happen.
I think Tayror, your scenario would be more right about may may just
killing him. But I'm still gonna say she won't kill him. That's what
I'll say. I love the idea of switching places like that. I just
think the foundation of what's been laid right now, if that does happen,
I would actually not like it because it just doesn't make sense for a character
wise, so like it would have been needing a lot of laying the groundwork
I think for us to get there. Although I do love that concept and
hopefully one day we get that, but I just don't believe that we'll get
there. It's too bold. It's it's it's too bold, and I don't
trust them to do those bold plays. That's what's sad, Especially Taya.
You caught up on a House of Dragon. Yep, everyone's using the meme
this like just from the past hour of the like, oh they're twins,
great plan, like the way where House of Dragons uses that plot point is
like, look at these fucking idiots. But then Star Wars use that plot
points like this is our main this is the thing she's gonna switch. Like
that's where it's just like the quality. And that's where Cycling said, like
that's what's so sad. They they they're not like that would be something bold
to do, and they won't do it. And I just hate that.
Maybe people do think some of the stuff is bold. I just think even
if you like the show, I don't think they're doing anything bold. And
it just sucks as Star Wars this place where it's like we just right off
like, oh, that can't happen. That's too bold, that's too broad
strokes, that's too much of a big like whoa moment happened in Star Wars
you know so, And like I was saying that on the first episode the
first review, it's like, yeah, I had expectations for some crazy bold
stuff of like a really dark tale of following a bad guy, and it's
it's really a Jedi tale. Yes, unless maybe you know the end,
it really leaves off in the direction that we're maybe following more that side of
were to turn right, that could be your that could be a window in
because that's definitely our lead overall over May and Osha, and if she turns,
that's that's intriguing going into season two. But and that would be great
if they had a planned season two and that was the picture, like,
Hey, we want to see something from the dark side. But maybe they're
like, well, let's show that character do that turn. So when it
does happen and you are falling a villain, you feel more conflicted or more
you know, invested, because oh, I was with this character when they
were a good person. I was with them when they are on a different
path. But they're not gonna do that. May's gonna I think, like,
I guess we could tell her that. I think you're gonna get an
episode where fucking Plegis Junior monologues for about twenty seven minutes of why Osha should
be them. She'll consider like a few things and then go no, I'm
good and my heart's good and sol and that'll be it. Like does anyone
else think that's not gonna be the route we go with Plagis Junior and Osha
where it's a monologue she considers, says no, and then he hates her
like you could see me maybe she actually kills him too. What Oh,
she's gonna kill Plagues Juniors the ship out with their bare knuckles. There's no
way you're telling me this girl who's just getting the forest fer all the force
goes like I feel like I feel like they could. They could hear Anakin's
voice for some reason, like you even born yet County Monday style like look
for example, like of course Jackie definitely held her own, but you also
have Jackie holding her own when two Jedi I'm assuming masters got killed at once
by this guy likes has been retired for a couple of years. Yeah,
true, but I don't know. It's the way. It's the way the
show. The way the show is. I could see them doing that route,
because god, I don't want them to. But you two, okay?
Can I yes or no? For both you until you go first?
Is the Plagues Junior gonna die this season? Yes, Kirkling, you think
it's gonna happen? Low confident, No, holy fuck if that happens.
The fact that you guys are like if they just took those like five episodes
in all this market to build this villain. This guy fucking does I know
someone might throw like oh that and the darth ball. But it's differently like
a two and a half hour one movie, like this is like a show
you get multile seasons. They just kill this dude off or so now because
they killed Jackie, they kill Yord. The others don't count, but they
killed even like kill naka uh. The fact that they killed those those supposed
to be our main characters, Like I'm not gonna buy their Black Series figures
now because I'm not attached to them. But I feel like that's that puts
him on the pedestal of being killed too. Were you ever gonna buy Yord's
Black Series figure? I thought, characters, that's your soul is still there
though, Okay, I I could see him dying and then like like when
we meet his master or something like he like his master finds out that he's
been, you know, trying to find his own apprentice, like fuck you,
I'm gonna take your apprentice now, and like I could see it.
I'll accept that, even though I still feel like we got so little with
this character. Right, we only have three episodes left and we know it's
probably gonna be about they'll be about twenty five to thirty minutes, so we'll
get like maybe an hour, I said an hour. Like the half they
did make a your black it looks like the actor. They never do sometimes
they do not your fucking what was that? Maf Getdion was the best one,
Like look at the box looking I don't feel like that is, but
I will appreciate yellow lightsaber. I did like just seeing like as so many
times I've complained about that, just see that in battle in fighting, I
was like, fuck, yeah again, different color light sable. So shut
shout at the Ord for picking yellow, you know, because I don't think
in this in Star Wars canon doesn't even matter now the color because remember in
like Knights of Republic, you got a color for a certain Jed you or
I don't think it matters anymore, Right, it's just like, oh I
like yellow. You know what, wasn't there significance to like white isn't white?
White? White basically is when you purify cyber crystals because they've been they've
been like the Jedi, like like guards essentially, like didn't they like said
Jedi Temple Guardians used they used yellow crystals. But again that's that's something that
was in the Clone Wars, but I don't know it's it's I don't I
don't think in Cannon there's any example of the colors being the type of Jedi.
You are right, that was the thing which I like that and Night's
were republic Like if you were more of a fource based one, you had
this color. If you're more like a striker fighter, I think you were
greed and stuff. So I enjoyed that, but no, yours just it
looks cool. I I was kind of going back and forth during the episode
because it felt like at moments it just seemed like the lightsabers were just like
props and like specifically when specifically when like Yord is like running with Osha to
like get her out of there, like it just like it was making no
noise, and like he's just kind of like moving around as if it's just
like I don't know, it's not a giant fucking light weapon that could chop
you in half if you accidentally move in front of it, Like it just
seemed like the way that he was handling it. And then I kind of
like went the other way where when I think it was like right after that
sequence, Yord and Osha are running and it's kind of foggy, and you
just have like the glow of his yellow kind of like filling up the room.
And it reminded me again in Falling Order, when you're just using your
lightsaber as like a light in caves and stuff, and just like the light
effect. It's just it's just such a sweet look. And to see,
you know, a yellow version of that now was really nice to see.
So although I was kind of going back and forth on it, overall,
I still was really loving the lightsabers in this and just to have this many
lightsabers again, right, like this hasn't happened since ever, double lightsabers.
Yeah, back in the double lightsaber days, so wet. This was in
the cal Sum Attack of the Clones, right coliseum. Fuck yeah, we
got a cool lightsaber throw too, going to Jango just fucking Boba seeing his
Fallerty captain in front of him. But yeah, the lightsaber throw that was
I found a peculiar the way that he just soul like reflects it and it
just like keeps going. But then it's like, Okay, well, I
guess he's probably just using force powers to get it back to his hands.
It's just like he just batted it like a baseball bat, like out of
the park. It just kept going and then loops back. But it's a
rare move these days, but it felt like it used to be like a
staple, probably the Battlefront games. Really just you know, that's it.
It only happens once in the original series, like Vader whips at Luke One's
and then it's because we think it's It wasn't even in the prequels, was
it. Like I think it's only been when Luke throws it. I don't
even think it's in the sequel. It's not Luke, is it Luca,
it's Vegas Vader. Oh yeah, sorry, Vader, yeah, return,
Yeah, I'm to get him down. But yeah, we think of it's
a big thing. But I think that's just like a video game Mendela effect
that Vader did once, and everyone's like, like even Maul didn't do it.
We're in the video games, he's always like fucking chucking. I didn't
see him do that once in the movie. He wasn't chucking it. Maybe
Clone Wars it could happen, but I could have sworn Mace Window did it
on like Genosis, Genos but like that's just from the tutorial Battlefront two.
I remember it's like now through your lightsaber, imagine that. Yeah, he
threw it to the cut off jail. You ever think about like Bubba fet
sees his dad die and then cut to like thirty forty years later, he's
like, he's the fucking teeth guy. Like, what a story for phil
best life? Oh man? Okay, So is there any anything else on
Osha and the Master. I'm gonna say the Master is not gonna die or
play agains. Junior is not gonna die, and if he does, other
than maybe the way Kirkland, which I still feel under developed, at least
that way, I'm kind of fine with it. But again, I don't
think we're gonna get to the stage where OSHA's like, I'm ready to be
the Sith Apprentice and I don't or act lights I don't think so I think
it's gonna be like h Ohsha gets away from Plagugas Junior by the skin of
her teeth, not the mass teeth, and he's trying to hunt her.
Maybe you guys get your end credit scene he goes back to his Master,
But I don't know. It just seems like the vast majority of time when
a character falls to the dark side or is persuaded by the uh you know,
the dark side temptation, it just it's mostly a very angry character,
like a very very angry character, and they're just using their anger and hate
to just channel that. And OSHA's been through a lot, but like,
I just don't get that vibe from her at all. That's why, like
I said, like it would be intrigued to have that character turned, but
just what's been shown for her, I almost wouldn't even want that because it's
just like it's just such a flippy flop. It's like what you're talking about
with May and how we just can't really like follow her. Is this just
like a trade of these twins that just nobody knows they're so unpredictable. Oh,
she's still like she got she's getting kidnapped, right, So not like
she chose to hang out with Plagus Junior. She just wakes up in this
dude standing over top of her. So she didn't choose that, right.
She was still trying to get her sister. She had some progression. She
actually shot her sister this episode. You're right, You're like I'm just laying
out if we go that route of the dark Side Osha, Yeah, yeah,
No, I would. I I would need them to write, like
I've said before, like Christopher Nolan Tarantino levels these next three episodes. For
me to believe Osha make that turn, I would want it, and I'd
be I actually do think there is a way, I think, so I'll
take that back. I don't think you need the Oscar writer screenwriter, I
think, and this is where it gets more controversial. If they do reveal
that the Jedi were the ones that just fucked up the witches, I could
see the turn happen. But then you got a bunch of people that are
gonna say, well, they're making the Jedi not heroes and they're fucking like
terrible people. This hurts, like just my vision of the Jedi, So
I think one way or another hurts. But if they are, yeah,
soul this whole time, he actually just fucking kills your mom and he's been
lying to you since day one. I could buy the dark Side turd.
Then I could buy that hatred coming out. Then I think you can do
that in clean hour and a half. Well can they I don't know,
But you could give me an hour and half, I could get you there.
But would you buy that, Kirkland if it's like, yeah, Soul
is just a fucking terrible Jedi he killed especially when did she say he's like
oh, or who was it was it who said you can't strike down an
enemy with no weapon? It was Osha, right, Tim? I thought
it was Soul that says that Jedi don't strike an unarmed opponent. Okay,
So wouldn't that be like a full circle where you get that flashback and he
kills one of these witches that are unarmed, And that's where it's like he's
just like a fucking hypocrite or he's like mature an age he was going to
though, And that's where I think he he has that that he was called
out by. Otherwise, if Osha didn't say anything, he was legit gonna
just cut down Kim here. Yeah, I think so, yeah, and
he probably should have. I know they don't want to struggle that a weapon,
but it's like the second he steps away, the guy like force polls
like the lights here, and Thee's like, well, I don't know,
I don't think. I don't think anyone want to cared. But that's all
right, man. Oh, I'm sorry. I was just gonna got my
notes unless see. I was gonna point out this comment here because I don't
think we talked about it, but opending it all on Soul, I think
that's an interesting kind of route. Uh yeah, And like I don't think
that's happening. I don't. You don't think that's happening if he does make
it out of line, which I don't think, so I think he is
gonna die. I think that would be an interesting route where they don't necessarily
trust Soul because they know he's emotionally kind of compromised because he's so heavily invested
with this being Osha in May. And I mean, if they find out,
okay, something happened to these Jedi, and they find out the truth
because they didn't know Soul kept it from them that Osha was a twim,
and then maybe Soul also has kept it obviously from them that he did execute
these witches and do something very dark, and maybe that does make them think,
oh, did you like what happened here? Did you turn on your
former like co Jedi here? Like I think that something could happen, so
I wouldn't put it out of the question. Yeah, I don't even say
the question. I just don't. I just don't see them going that way
because it's just like I feel like that's a weird wrap up bowl, Like
I just don't see it resulting well as oh sold it at all, and
they're just like okay, cool and they move. Maybe if the man if
Plagus Junior dies, then I'll say, okay, I could get there.
But if Plagus Junior is still alive, I think it's kind of odd.
But again, they're they're walking on a tight rope. And the uh the
sequence when uh, I can't remember his name, Kime here there we go.
I don't want to say Paga Junior, but uh he the face real
happens. He has the stare down with Master Soul and then he does this
like removal of his cape and then like tosses it at Soul and he he
force chokes, uh, who is it? Osha? In that moment,
it seemed like it took way too long for for Master Soul to like get
the cape off of him. He was a clunky I thought. I just
laughed at Like even Kylo ran like what Sith is throwing their fucking cloak at
the Jedi, Like it just felt like a weird I said, maybe that
could be weird that it worked, though. He feels like just pounced that
Master Soul and then like chopped him in half. Like I feel like combat
people have done that in combat, but like I just feel like a Master
Soul is a master, Like he's just gonna cut that cape in half with
his lightsaber and then just keep his focus on his threat. Maybe that just
shows they didn't train this at the Jet Academy. He saw a piece of
he had no fucking clue. Oh no, he didn't know what he was
gonna do. It was like his weakness the Master. If it land on
top of his head, he would have fucking screwed it, but been like,
oh the osha. Yeah, it just shows the ineptness of the Jedi.
I hate that. I hate that. That's just an excuse for every
bad writing thing in this show is like, well, the Jedi, they
might have been shitty around this era, but it's like, yeah, sometimes
that work, but something like you're telling me they could. He gets distracted
because I'm looking at it now because May is here and May calls out,
and so you actually see him turn and he looks away and that's when he
throws his cape at him and then he force chokes may So that's what he's
doing. Also thought, for the first scene that we got Ocean Maye together,
it was gonna be a lot more impactful, and it really didn't stick
with me, and I did not enjoy the whole arm twisting back and forth
like wrestling with each other, like this is the truth. No, this
is the truth. No, this is the truth. Like, yeah,
I guess all around again. I felt like it wasn't a bad scene,
just underdelivered from kind of everything I was hoping for. For the first time
these characters talked. It came off just very again like kids animated cartoon,
like, oh, we we don't have much time, so let's do what
we can. An arm twist that I did enjoy, though, doubling down
on Yourd's death because he like twists his arm, snaps his arm, and
then snaps his neck like damn, a little way to go. My last
thing here was just when before we have the face reveal for Chime here,
you just he like looks at Master Soul. It's like you don't recognize me.
Master just looks at him like, I send something familiar. I'm gonna
use that line if someone ever says that to me and I don't know who
they are, I'll just be like, I sent something familiar, but I
have no fucking idea who they are. You might cover my base, I
don't know. And also we didn't talk like quickly talk like we joked about
it, like it's not gonna be the market. Is there any theory of
what it is that why it would be familiar? Like a real reason,
right, like an old apprentice? That's only guess right that maybe that's it,
because I again, I swear if it is the fucking oh I was
the guy from the market, I'm gonna have a BF. I don't think
it's old apprentice because Soulden's so was still like what are you? Who are
you? All that kind of stuff, but keep something from apprentice someone else's.
Maybe he genuinely there's something some kind of disconnect there. But I'm hoping,
like you said, Travis, it's not the market that this guy is
like he's so insecure, like, oh you don't remember me. It's like
like like a guy working on movie theater rips here serves popcorn and you see
him like, oh you don't remember me, it's good to see you again,
or like Electron. It's Electro from Spider Man. Do you remember me?
I got the best mark on tatoween and you don't even remember me?
I hate you? So alright? Well, I think is there anything else
we haven't covered, haven't talked about that we need to talk about here?
Great episode. I'm stoked for the next, next one. It's good enough
man episode for me. We're going down. We're the roller coaster. We're
on the way down. Hopefully next week is not a nose die for me.
Again, not awful, there's still some good things in here and then
fun talking about Yeah, they're still luckily the action was good and I'm still
gonna go with Taylor where it's like better than all the sequel stuff. Like
again, sequel gave us the fucking throne room scene and that's some like you
know, the tension there and everything here has some good stuff, but also
just awe scrubs, including Jackie and Yord that just got killed that you know,
maybe we'll get some fucking comic one day. We get to learn about
your and his adventures and that poor guy has that apprentice back at his base.
That's just gonna be masterless now. So sucks to suck, but we
will be back next week for episode six of the actte Oh boy, what
could happen? Then? Whatever it is, we'll be boring and may the
Force be with you always