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Hey, welcome back to Imperfect Action. This is episode six hundred and sixty
six. Today I am chatting with Sammy Sadikario, who she's struggling with two
major challenges that I know come up a lot with online business owners and especially
with coaches, and in her case, she is starting out with multiple different
offers and different clients that she wants to work with. So we're first up.
We're helping her to find a little bit of focus within her marketing and
her messaging when she's got such a broad range of people that she can help.
And then conversation took a little bit of a twist that I actually really
enjoyed helping Sammy to work through. And I know that if you are somebody
who is in that process of you want to create course or group program,
but the thought of launching absolutely terrifies you, you definitely want to stick around
and listen to the second half of this episode because I'm helping Sammy work through
some of the common fears that come up, especially when you're going from one
on one to one too many, like what if I get the question wrong
in a Q and A in front of the group and I embarrass myself or
what if I launch and then nobody signs up? So we're having a bit
of a deep discussion, deep and vulnerable discussion about those common fears that show
up. This has been one of my favorite live coaching calls that I've done
on this show. You cannot miss this episode, so let's jump in.
Hey, Sammy, welcome to Imperfect Action. I'm super excited to have you
here today and to workshop your challenges with you for our listeners who weren't part
of the conversation we were having before we hit record. Could you please introduce
yourself, share what you do and the challenge that you would like me to
help you with today. Yes, Hello, thank you so much for having
me, Steph. My name is Sammy. I go by Sammy Siren.
I am a singing coach for conscious leaders, healers and soul seekers. I've
been singing for many many years and develop my own method called somatic singing,
where we get into the body in order to sing and apply technique and it
works pretty much instantly with anyone I'd do it with. And my biggest challenge
is how to focus my marketing when I have multiple different offers as well as
different types of clients anywhere from somebody who wants to become a better public speaker
for podcasting, or be a better communicator in their interpersonal relationships, or wants
to sing to nail at a karaoke or lead song circles. So walkway through
what your different offices are at the moment right now. Pretty simply, it's
I have a one on one offer right now is the most and then I'm
developing courses that I can put people through at a lower ticket so that they
can teach themselves how to sing with this method. And then my biggest fears
that they won't want that is that people want the one on one. They
really want that high touch. And then I have I'm currently launching a men's
group, the Liberated Voice for Men, and my intention is to launch a
women's one after m Okay, So you've got a few different directions yere going
on, and I can see why you're feeling a little bit like, ah,
who do I talk to? So let's let's step away from what you've
currently gotten your business from who you're currently working with. If I actually,
let's imagine five years from now, if I was to waive a magic wand
who would you be working with, Who is like your dream client that you
would be working with. Well, I haven't thought about that. Well,
I want to go to grad school. So five years from now, I
imagine I'd be teaching this to therapists and to higher level healers and politicians and
people who are you have very high level speakers and healers, in order to
guide them to this method of doing the deep work in order to sing and
to also support other people in healing. MM So which all the which are
the ideal clients or which are the offices and audiences that you're serving right now
are going to lead you closer to that? I imagine that I have several
clients who are therapists, which is always such a blessing to me. I
imagine those clients right now, I don't. I have Most of my clients
are like HAP podcasts, are our leaders and men's groups in some way,
but none of them are politicians by any means. I just keep having this
idea of of I just keep having this idea of finding the one conscious politician
out there that's going to change the world, and I'm going to help them
find their real voice, like that's and every one of my life's like,
that's going to be you, and I'm like, hey, no, um,
so, I imagine it's the therapists. I imagine that feels right when
I say it. M So, as you're talking, the one thing that
pops into my mind is the common thread tying all of these different people that
you're working with together. Is that the ladies of some kind leaders and healers.
Yep, ladies and healers, right, and even the healers might identify
with being a leader of some kind as well because they are leading the people
who are they are healing. Is this starting to clarify it a little bit
in your mind where you're like, oh, hang on, this is the
so instead of speaking too, instead of saying, well, you're a singing
coach for podcasters and men and women and all of these different groups of people,
now you're a singing coach for leaders and healers. Which that then it
becomes how can we take these or how can we firstly define one ideal client?
Because even when I asked, like, who the dream was, you
said, you know, therapists, healers, politicians, it's multiple different people.
So we need to then identify who is that one dream client and what
is that journey we can take that one dream client on. And it doesn't
mean that you can't have other offers in there as well, but to really
make it feel cohesive and clear and streamlined, it helps to just have the
one that you can take on a journey for sure. Yes, So who
is that one dream client? Is it best to pick this based off of
a client I already have and who I love working with. It can be
one that you already have and love working with, or it can be one
that you'll like one day in the future. This is my dream. This
is the one person that if I if I only ever serve people like this
in my business, I will feel so happy and fulfilled. Yeah, I'll
use this client. I'll use this client because I think he's going to do
really big things. He is a veteran and has done a lot of work
on his trauma and wants to and consistently supports other men and other people in
upleveling themselves and healing. He goes to retreats. He leads retreats you just
had a daughter, and wants to bring creativity and singing into the house.
He does a human design, He did a human design reading and that's how
he and that human design coach said, you need to activate your voice,
and so that's how he found me. And he wants to be really powerful
with his speeches and understand how his voice has an effect on people because he
knows he's going he's planning to continue to give a lot of speeches. And
he also wants to sing. And now he does sing very well. M
okay. So if we think about it as like the journey that he's been
on now with you, when he first came to you, what was the
very first problem that he was struggling with or what was the very first little
transformation that you helped him to have. The first thought was, I don't
sing in front of people. Comes into the room and I stopped singing.
So the first thing we did was get him to start humming around his wife
so he could find his inner voice and that small connection between his inner voice
and his outer voice and just restart building confidence that my voice is important.
And we also on that first session did deepen our child work around fear of
using the voice, fear of rejection, and he saw massive winds and within
after the first week he that is with every one of my clients, I'm
that first session there's massive ship massive massive. They start singing in public and
they don't care how they sound. That's the first step is to just do
it without caring hanging sound, and then we'll work on hanging sound better.
So and then was what was the next the next little transformation or the next
problem that you sold for him? Understanding the functions of the voice. So
first it's like, I'm scared to sing in front of people, and then
I don't. I don't know how my voice works. It's like, cool,
let's get to know the different ranges of your voice. So playing with
the different ranges of your voice, and that's really just adding more play as
well as understanding the biomechanics of how the vocal cores and breath were. Would
you say that's the step where they I guess they've become really good at singing
or really good at speaking, Like they learn to really use their voice effectively.
That's when we start planting the teaching, because it's it's a technique that's
going to that I'm teaching them that they're going to be able to take for
the rest of their life. But yes, that is it's between sessions two
and four that there's massive shifts in sounding really good and being on pitch and
being able to be melodic, as well as having more range in their speaking
voice. And then what happens next after that, what's the next step,
the next transformation? Then we apply it to a song, So that's when
we start to I just started adding in this step of creating your singer identity,
so like getting to know who they are as a performer and that part
of them that wants to go and like because some of my clients they just
come in and they just want to be able to like sing in the grocery
store with wild band, and so that be right, it's such. And
then I was doing yesterday, I was like, oh, they want to
do this, so that easy um, and so being able to put on
that part, being able to put on that hat and just have fun and
play and know that, Okay, I'm in, I'm in my siren character.
Now that's who my archetype. This is Sammy Siren. And so with
that, what does Sammy Sirens sing? What are her values? What does
she practice? What does she do in our day to day? She does
scary things she learns how to produce, and so I guide them through that
what the values are in the actions and behavior of this character archetype, this
singer, this leader, this performer. And then we pick a song and
start working on that, and then they have a song by the end of
it. They can go or speech depends on who they are, but most
of them, even if they're working on a speech, it's a song.
Okay. So when they work on that song and that speech and they really
step into that archetype other than being able to have fun, what else does
that make possible? Full them massive confidence and leadership they are what was I
mean? I'm so glad I had my client called today to be in this
energy. But it was a huge win. He's ready to inspire people with
his voice. He's no longer afraid of his voice. He's no longer right
like. He knows that he can be dynamic and engaging and knows that he
can when he's in these crimal settings use his voice without losing his voice,
which is a big thing when you get into like leading retreats, leading groups.
People come back from events and how often have they lost their voice because
they were using it too hard? Because they don't know how to train it.
Yeah, so confidence and health and determination and really embodying that inspired leadership.
So the reason I've been asking you to walk me through all of this,
like as I'm going through, I'm making notes, and this is making
in my mind the way that I'm seeing it is you have three main three
main transformations that you help somebody with. Right. So the first transformation is
that getting over that fear of using their voice, which is so common.
We see this, you know, as somebody who teaches to other people to
podcast is one of my courses. I see this a lot with people who
are like, I want to start a podcast, but I hate my voice.
That was me like five years ago, right, So I get that
so much. Then the second, the second transformation is learning how to use
their voice effectively. And then the third transformation is that real like confidence and
leadership with their voice so simple, so simple. And this is then when
we can break it down into the different offers. And yes, you can
guide them through all of this in a one on one setting, but I
would really be looking at how can we break this down into potentially three different
offers. One one of them could be you know it could be the course
on getting over the fear of using their voice. The next one could be
a course or a membership or a community or a group program or however you
want to deliver this where you are showing them how to use their voice effectively.
And then the final offer is taking them from you know, now they
know how to use their voice, they're not afraid of it, but it's
really stepping into that confidence and leadership and using your voice without losing your voice
exactly. And even if you're teaching these in a one on one setting,
it's rather than just saying, well, it's one on one coaching, choose
your own adventure, it actually then becomes, hey, this is my week
one on one program to achieve this. Any of these outcomes can be delivered
in different ways, and it's up to you to choose how you want to
deliver them, but you're overarching brand messaging then becomes you are helping leaders to
go from afraid of their voice to confidently being able to lead using their voice.
How does that feel? It feels really good. I'm curious about your
opinion of something. It's that what I often although that that's true. What
I hear from over and over and is I want to sing? I want
to say it's like the it's it's like the first thing. It's like all
of these coaches and these healers have this inner rock star that's just dying to
come out. So that then fits into the first one, right, the
first the first offer is this is how to This is how to stop fearing
your voice and feel comfortable to break out and sing in front of other people.
Yeah, for sure, for sure, because at the end of the
day, I imagine that you're using the same techniques regardless of whether somebody wants
to learn how to sing or whether they want to learn how to speak and
lead. Yeah, the voices, the voice is the voice. Yeah,
so that's going to be part of your marketing messaging. By the way,
that's your free content. You're educating them on how the voice is the voice
is the voice, and you're educating them on how it's not that they're a
bad singer. They just don't know how to use their voice effectively. It's
not that they are a bad singer, it's that they're afraid to use their
voice fully and they're afraid to commit to singing the song or whatever it is
that you know, as the expert is holding them back. How is this
all feeling? What's coming up? I like that, Well, I'm thinking
of like one of the posts that I've I've been posting a lot recently because
I'm so inspired and i am. One post that did really well over the
past month was when I said, some people come to me for ABC,
some people for me for X y Z, some people come from me,
blah blah, it doesn't matter. It all comes down to the voice.
And that posted really well, and a lot of my other ones haven't necessarily
and I've been like, what's happening? Why is it? Probably because you've
met with that post, You've met your audience where they are at. There
is something in that post where they were like, that is me right,
whereas your other posts it might have just not even it might have been so
far out of their reach, or they might not have quite understood. Hey,
the fact that I'm afraid of singing in public is actually connected to the
fact that I'm afraid to speak at a conference at work. Yeah, that
makes a lot of sense. Like the people that are in my discovery calls,
they are further ahead than the people who are still waiting in the wings.
Yes, so the people who are waiting in the wings, they need
a little bit of educating before they're going to be ready to book a discovery
call or buy any of your offers. That makes so much sense, so
much sense. So if you think of it as a journey, right,
So there's somebody out there who is right now they are experiencing that they are
unable to sing in the car with their wife, or they are unable to
put their hand up and volunteer to give a presentation at work. And they're
like, oh, I'm just not a good speaker. I want to be
a good speaker. I want to be a good singer. So they think
that the solution is to become a good speaker or to become a good singer.
They probably haven't even connected the dots that it's actually fear and mindset that's
the first thing they need to overcome. They can't just go and google how
to give a good presentation because even though they're doing all the googling, until
overcome those fears and the mindset stuff, they're not going to be able to
sing out loud or give that good presentation. Oh I just made a whole
lead magnet this again and I'm like, wow, I need to redo this
time. Sorry. No, it's great, it's great. I've set up
the system at least and I can. It's just the same thing. It's
just rerecording it based off of a different outcome. M Like, how to
use your voice effectively. That's I think that that's that's the one. How
to use your voice to lead and heal, well, lead and transform.
I mean, you can play around with the actual words and you can have
a chat to your ideal client or a few people who you think of very
similar to that ideal client and find out what words actually resonate the best with
them, will do transformational leader, transformation, well, using your voice for
transformation something like that, to inspire, to inspire change. Write all of
these down and bounce them off your ideal client and see what really because one
of these one of the ways that you explain it will provoke like in a
motion like oh that feels so aligned for them, and you want to go
with that one. M. There's always more work to do. It's never
done. But now that you have that kind of focus of this is what
comes first, this is what comes next, The messaging behind it, all,
and the content that you put out there becomes a lot clearer because it's
like, now, what does somebody need to know before they're ready to take
that first step and solve that very first problem. They need to know that
the answer to their communication problem isn't in fear of what's going to happen,
fear of using their voice. And they need to know that the fear of
using their voice can be overcome by singing to themselves, and that it's not
that it's not that they have a boring voice, it's that they just don't
know how to use the full range yet, that it's a muscle that needs
to be worked out. It's not that people want to talk over them,
it's that they're sending signals with their voice that they're dumb speaking. Yeah.
Interesting. So these are all things that you can share that will resonate with
that ideal client. So what on a practical level, what changes are you
going to make to your office or to the way that you are the way
that you are selling. Now that you're really clear on who that ideal client
is and what that overarching transformation is, what changes will you make on a
practical level, Um, I imagine I will stop necessarily calling out men right
now. It would be cool to talk about that launch, that launch fear
I've got going on. Oh yeah, we can talk about that in a
minute. Yeah, it comes back to that too. What I can do
is plan. I can plan social because I just get downloads and start writing
M plan social based off of where they are in their knowledge of what's connected.
Like right now, I've been writing for people who it's as if they
know all that information, they're ready to get on a call. But I
need to write for people who are further back in the process of not understanding
that they're What will help their podcasts, will help them get moving through the
fear of starting a podcast, etc. Is that is confidence in their voice.
So I imagine the step one is writing for different stages of the process.
In terms of my offers, I get to sleep on it and decide
right now for my lead magnet. Right now, it's how to sing like
a pro. It's for soul seekers who want to sing like a prom But
I imagine that it's that's not not the answer. It's soul seekers who want
to use their voice effectively or want to inspire the world with their voice and
again, check that, check the what soul seeker is with your ideal client
and see if that resonates good. Might it might not. Often a big
mistake we can make is to give our audience this like identifying name that we're
like, of course they identify as this, and then when we say it
to them, they're like, oh, I'm not sure if that's me,
and they can almost exclude them. They can almost like disqualify themselves because they're
not one hundred percent sure if that's actually who they are. They're like,
oh, this isn't for me, it's for somebody else. So always double
check. If you're giving them some kind of identifying name, always run that
past them. Okay, So with the lead magnet, I would really be
thinking about what offer is that lead magnet tying into. So is it lead?
Is it going to tie into step one of overcoming the fear? Is
it tying into step two using their voice effectively, or is it tying into
the third part, which is using their voice for confidence and leadership. I'm
a very big fan of having multiple lead magnets, one for each offer.
And if it's going to be for the first one, then what do they
need to know? To be ready to start overcoming the fear of using their
voice, and might be there's some shifts that they need to make. They
might be thinking. It might be, you know, five mistakes you're making
with learning how to use your voice effectively. That's a really terrible name,
but and one of those mistakes would be googling how to give a good presentation
when you haven't even connected with your inner voice for example. So interesting thing
that you did mention before we hit record was that you're really quite keen to
get people who are like already they already know that they basically want to work
with you. You don't want to be trying to convince them and using high
pressure sales tactics. And you mentioned that you don't like launching because of the
deadline, and that you've canceled every launch that you've done. Tell us a
little bit more about that. Well, I came back into the coaching space.
I was a copywriter in the coaching space for a while, and so
I at first I was a coach, and then I was like, I
love writing copy I'm just gonna do that and work on my own stuff.
I don't want to hold space for anyone. And then I came back to
my roots of singing, and it's for sure my purpose in this method and
just the healing that's come from it, and it's so much fun. So
before I was a copywriter, I was launching an identity shift program for leaders
called Rise and I was ten days out and I just really didn't want to
do it. I just like felt the fear of like people paying me money
and then having to like then do the offer. I didn't want to do
it. I just wanted to market it, and I was really it was
at a dark time in my life, so there was a lot going on,
but I didn't commit. I pulled it and I gave people who signed
up their money back, and I decided to be a copywriter instead, and
I booked my first copywriting gigs seven days later, and I was on retainer
and just like running, just like, let's do it, jump right in.
And then spent a year with the identity as a writer before remembering I
am a professional singer and came back to that about a year ago, and
it's been beautiful awakening since. However, I've been so scared to do a
launch. Several people have asked me for group things and I just right now
I'm feeling that I'm feeling that fear of this launch process. I'm feeling I
have two people signed up. I've negotiated in a way or created the offer
in a way that I could still fulfill for them. Because I could fulfill
for them and not make it a group I could just keep doing what I'm
doing one on one and they'll get results. That is it specifically about the
group format that you don't like, Well, that's that feels unaligned to your
rather than one on one. It's new for me. I mean, I've
done a lot of sessions one on one, many many sessions one on one,
and so guiding somebody towards using their voice one on one is quite simple
in group form. I honestly, if I'm gonna be super vulnerable right now,
which might as well. I was picturing today answering questions in group form
and being wrong about something and everyone watching me be wrong about something, and
that got so scary. I'm wrong about something one on one, it feels
very forgivable in group form. It was just which is funny now that I'm
thinking about, it's like another fear of my own voice, right what would
happen if you are wrong about something in front of the group. Thing,
I mean, maybe they would, somebody would rebuttal and I would be like,
oh wow, I didn't know that. Great, that's something for me
to learn. I might be embarrassed for a minute and move on. I
mean, I highly doubt there's going to be someone in my groups who knows
more about the voice than I do and studying the voice for twenty year twenty
so it's to be unlikely. It's pretty unlikely. Like we've got right now,
we've got this little fear of somebody, you know, this fear.
It's it's kind of irrational, right if you think about it, like it's
just it's telling you, oh, hang on, if I'm wrong in front
of this group, which is highly unlikely, and if I am wrong,
like nothing much is going to really happen as a result of it. Like
worst case scenario, you can just be like, oh sorry, I didn't
know that and admit you are wrong, Like it's it's human. We're not
going to always be one hundred percent right. And do you think maybe your
group would forgive you for getting it wrong and being human? Absolutely? Absolutely,
And that's just one fear right, that's one, and it's the other
failing like no one signs up. I commit to it all the way.
I get to the last day and no one signs up or I reach out.
It's so silly. It's so silly because I've won't helped other people work
through this. I've done this before. I've sold out my time flats and
been waitless only, and so it's just it's a new level, new devil,
I think it is. And this is the funny thing about the mind
is it can be so rational at times, Like I can tell you,
like, every time I launch something, even when it's the programs that I've
already launched before and that I've always had people sign up, I'm always like,
what if this is the time that nobody signs up? Because at the
end of the day, our brain is trying to keep us safe, and
it's like, if we can get ahead of what might go wrong, then
we can protect ourselves from it. And I can tell you every time I've
tried to get ahead of what might go wrong, it's usually gone wrong in
a different way that I could never have prepared for anyway. But I have
launched things where people haven't bought in the past, and those have been the
best learning experiences because it's what's been It's what has allowed me to go back
to my audience and say, hey, I noticed you didn't buy this.
What was it that made you decide not to buy? And then I can
find out where in the decision process because selling is just a decision process for
them. It's helping them to make a decision, but I can find out
where or what part of the decision making process I didn't quite address properly.
And like, as a copywriter, I'm sure you are already on top of
all of this stuff. So you're already ahead of most people who are launching,
for sure, definitely, And some of the stuff I've written for this
program and like, oh that just gave me chills because I'm so passionate about
it. But it's when I'm in the fear that my copy becomes like bushy
and growth not gross, just like on aligned. So you could you write
your copy ahead of time when you're feeling really excited and good about the offer,
rather than closer to the time when you're like what if nobody signs up?
Because the closer you get, the more real it feels, right,
absolutely, and I have and I and um, yeah, I think it's
also like giving myself more just more space. And that's where I feel like
curious about, like, oh, maybe I just don't like the launch and
I just like to give myself staciousness and to be able to have people sign
up whenever. Um. So that's where I've come back to. But that
could also just be limiting if I mean, if that's true, if that
is what you know is true for you, if you're like, if that
is absolutely one hundred percent what is true for you and aligned for you,
then stick with that. But if you also know, like, oh,
like I'm just telling myself this because it feels comfortable, then that's you know,
then it's potentially something to challenge yourself to do. And like, yeah,
nothing, nothing new is ever going to feel really easy and one hundred
percent comfortable. And we can come up with a million reasons to justify why
not. And I know when before we hit record, you mentioned that you
didn't like having a deadline in a launch because it's pressuring people to buy.
Um. Is that is that one of the reasons you've been avoiding launching.
Possibly, Yeah, yeah, I absolutely, I've noticed that the copy I've
written where it is just like where and it's for it's in advance, right,
I wrote copy that would be like, Okay, there's one day left
for you. You can't get this after tomorrow. I've been like, oh,
like that. If they want to come in, they can come in.
If they want to come in, I want to teach them. I
don't want to say, you know, if they're aligned in a hard body
and soul like let's let's open your voice. There's no need to say no
to people who are ready to start singing. So I'm gonna I'm gonna give
you. I'm gonna use you as an example of why we use deadlines and
launches. So think about it with your with your own launches, you currently
have not had a deadline where it's like, oh, I have to launch
this thing by this date. You're like, I can launch this group program
anytime. So I'm just gonna like keep putting it off, keep putting it
off until I feel comfortable enough to do it. Yeah, and as a
result of that, you haven't ever launched it. Somebody in your audience is
like, wow, this voice thing, Like I want to do it,
but it's really scary really uncomfortable and I can do it at any point in
time, So I'm just going to keep putting it off until I feel a
little bit more ready to do it. And having a deadline in a launch
like, Okay, it doesn't have to be doors closed, this is the
only chance you have to work with me. It can be Christ goes up,
it can be a bonus is removed. There are other different deadlines we
can have, but having a deadline is what forces somebody to commit. And
it's like, are you it's time to make a decision. Are you ready
to do this right now? Are you going to do this and maybe push
yourself out of your comfort zone and do it now, or are you going
to give it another three months, six months, twelve months, and you're
still going to be in the same place that you are right now. If
the decision making things it's not a when it's done ethically, the decision making
tool rather than a pressure tool. Yeah, for sure, for sure,
Especially when you put it that way, it's a good reminder. Yeah,
I feel like we've covered a lot so far. So what's what's coming out
for you? What questions do you have? Where are you feeling a little
bit stuck. Still. What's coming up for me is definitely redoing my lead
Magnet as is because I was about to, I was like putting it all
in my like I wrote it. I put it all into mail Chimp today,
and so before I've already spent so much time on it. I want
something that's going to feel really good to put out into the world and really
focusing on these different areas, and I imagine also doing outreach, and that's
part of the commitment. That's part of a commitment. Attraction marketing doesn't really
were because your algorithm wants you talking to people, wants you to be friends
with people you're friends and I know that because I used to teach it.
Doing it's another thing. And I wonder also if maybe you could commit to
doing that group program for one of those three transformations for the helping them to
overcome the fear of the voice, or helping them to use their voice more
effectively, or helping them to use their voice with confidence in leadership situations,
setting a deadline for that deadline for yourself and actually committing to that, saying
like, look, I'm going to stick to this deadline because even though my
brain is going to try and talk me out of it, even though it
feels so scary, even though it's like, oh, this could fail or
I could make an idiot of myself in a group situation. There are people
out there who want to learn in this group format, and this is a
really effective way for me to help them and teach them and get them to
overcome that fear. Okay, cool, Cool, I can definitely do that.
I guess it. Decide look at the I think it's number two.
I think it's how to use how to use your voice more effectively. I
think that that's the one that's so far that people have been in the buying
decision place. Ye have come to um because they're like, I don't know
where to start with. I don't know how to use it more effectively.
So I think that the others can be I can test those, But this
could be number two, using your voice more effectively? Right, And you
can test it. As a copywriter. You know how to write the emails,
you know how to write the sales page. And if nobody buys cool,
we find out why they didn't buy, and we try again. And
if somebody knows more than you in the Q and A, well, I
mean that's good on there, that's great. Yeah, that's true. That's
great. Yeah, then they do, and then I will be surprised.
It's unlikely. It's exactly one unlikely. And like if they know more than
you're great, Like that is actually a really good thing because we can learn
by not being the smartest person in the room. But it's highly unlikely that
they will. Yeah. Yeah, and I don't need to be the smartest
person in my room. That's why I callin leaders. I want people to
inspire me. I love working with my clients amazing. Any final questions or
anything you want clarified before we wrap up, I don't think so. I
think this is all about implementation, journaling on some of this. There's some
deep work happening in here. Oh yeah. Business is one of the biggest
vehicles for transformation and growth and all of that. And like, as a
coach, you know you understand all of that. So now take those techniques
that you would use on your clients and use someone yourself. Oh Sammy,
thank you so much. You've been very like most of the people who come
in these calls are vulnerable, but like you have been just like incredibly vulnerable.
Sharing today and I'm so glad that I've got to have this conversation with
you. I think it's going to help a lot of people who are struggling
with the exact same things that you are. Thank you very much. It
is. It is both a gift and a curse to be vulnerable in public
all the time. Oh it is, Thank you, Sammy. All right,
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