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King is back on Sky Island, had really could happen? And Mike Manati.
Mike, Mike Manati, that's pretty good, Mike. It's beautiful.
It's beautiful, Mike. How are you doing? I'm good. Excited to
play some video games this weekend. Last I wish I'm like so relatively close
to beating bars Get three. I wish I actually just did do that now.
But that's fine. Can I ask you, how's how's Act three treated
you in terms of tech issues and bugs? Because I heard pretty bad things
early on. Seems like it's getting better, but you're in it's what's it
like? Yeah? I don't know. I haven't I haven't had any major
problems. It seems that's what I like to hear. I remember hearing that.
I remember hearing the general people thought like Act one was better than next
two or three in some ways. Uh, it's all been pretty steady for
me. Actually so fantastic. That's what I like to hear. Yeah,
I've been really enjoying. You know. Act three is fun because I think
everyone knows this, not spoiler. Act three is the one in Boulders Gates.
You are in like this city, which is kind of you know,
it's pretty neat, it's very dense, a lot to do, but still
pretty big. Also lots of things we do, lots of behind three.
Bunch of spoiler bastards on this podcast can't believe. Yeah, I know,
I know. I keep coming under fire for how much I spoiler. That's
right, you never learned your list, and either, Mike, whether you
spoil the sand then what was yeah with you? I dare you? You
also been playing Spider Man, right, we're gonna shoul we talk about that
later. Ye, we'll talking about that later. I finally did spin up.
Uh, Spider Man, that's not really a punky spin web. I
guess yeah, sorry, Spider Man, you know, I guess say there's
a pun You're right, you got a great one. It's not Champanzee targeting,
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So thanks everybody for the support. There, Mike, I got a bunch
of big topics that I want to talk about you with. Uh, I'll
talk about with you. No, I'll talk about you with why not?
Let's do you talk about me to these topics? O guess yes, exactly
the best things to say about me. I doubt it. There's that bad
King Kong game everyone's having fun with, and we watched Dan play some of
that earlier this week. I'm glad bad games like this can still happen,
and I'm like, it's all so I think mostly fun when it's like everyone's
like, no, this is the one we're all going to play and make
fun of. I don't know how do these things keep happening? From game
mil game miill like puts out a lot of these. How do these things
make money? I suppose this one might actually make money. Well, like
obviously like their Nickelodeon license stuff does because ye Donlodian, you know, King
Kong doesn't seem like a super hot license at the moment. I mean,
you have to imagine this game must almost be doing better now because it's a
two out of ten than if it was a five out of ten or something.
Yeah, right, but I don't know. Everyone's kind of just having
fun with it. It's not even as outrageous as the Gollum game, even
though this game is worse than the Golf game in a lot of ways that
it was like, how did this happen? This is a prestigious franchise and
this they marketed this game. They were trying to hype this game up right,
this Kik Kong game, Like, yeah, I can see how this
can happen. It's real bad. It isn't that funny? Yep, yep.
They just kind of did the least amount of work on it. And
you can really feel that the game, and that is kind of funny once
you start playing it, and it's like, man, these cut scenes are
absurd and the game scene really has not much going on. Let's see they
did goosebumps the game. Oh my god, that's in twenty fifteen, Goose
Goosebumps is Goosebumps doesn't go away. There's like a news Goosebump show on Disney.
Now kids can't Actually, that's gotta be for the adults at this,
but kids don't care about Goosebumps. Right. The movie seemed like it was
for the older fans of the books from when the now. Yes, it
was a while agoa black in it. Yeah, but now there's there's the
Netflix Goosebump Show and that does thy BLUs Disney plus, how dare you take
that away from Disney Plus? Oh, you're right, I'm in stolen valor.
I'm sorry. Dare you miss mister content that by ger? I apologize
and I won't do it again. That's my official apology. Yeah, I
don't know. I look at these games. I'm like, oh man,
what is this Hidden Mysteries Titanic that's from twenty sixteen. It's like it's got
a positive rating from game Mail. Yeah, I don't know. I had
a lot of fun watching Dan play. I do have this game. I
think I might be happy just watching Dan play it though for Yeah, I
haven't good enough for me? Kind, I mean, I love playing bad
games. There's too much good stuff to be playing right now, so you
might look funny in a monkey suit if we are this way. And I
have my own bad game coming up soon enough, so I'll be fine.
I'm free of them blad for now. Yeah, you are free of the
blaight. Uh. The original Switch Revealed trailer has been removed from the Nintendo's
YouTube channel, probably for licensing issues. Mike, there's no like official statement
about why this happened. It does use some some music, and apparently there's
some issues with the music. I can't really remember exactly what the details were.
I think it was something along the lines of the people who the record
label got bought or sold or something like that. And now the rights for
that song aren't exactly clear, like who holds them and and so people are
speculating Nintado's just being safe there and pulling the pulling the thing down. But
if you want to be conspiratorial, uh, and I don't know if you
want to be, Mike, maybe this is a sign that they don't want
confusion for a Switch reveal, for a like Switch to reveal, that's what
some people are going to I don't really buy into that app but hey,
who knows. That seems like quite a stretch there, Jeff, I don't
think it's impossible. I don't think it's impossible that's that's what's happening. I
just think it's a very small possibility. It's a small fut A switch too
is going to get announced at some point anyway, especially once we're on the
other side of Mario Wonder releasing, right, uh, for sure, especially
once we're on the other side of the holidays. Honestly, most likely maybe
in Game Game Awards is the earliest I can imagine. I could see them
that maybe, I mean game wards. I could see them teasing it in
some video before that and then having some bigger thing at the Game Awards.
But I suppose the teaser makes the most sense at the Game Awards. That's
probably You're probably right, maybe, but maybe, like that's just the earliest.
Yes, I'm not sure if I'm not something to see it there,
But yeah, I don't know. I don't think you would have to delist
this one YouTube video in order to help can Fusion. I know maybe they're
paranoid about what happened with the WU, but I mean, the problem there
was that the name was just bad if it's called something more distinct, we're
always like a switch to the people shouldn't get as confused when googling for information
about it. Yeah, you would hope so, but it's Nintendo and they
might be bad at naming things. Again, you never know, I'll like
Jeff, Sorry, go ahead, you have a thought about this. I
was going to completely pivot. I think I was going to move away too,
So why don't you go ahead and tell me what you're thinking? Did
you beat Sonic Superstars? I'm like, right at the end, I'm on
the last level. Are you sure you're on lass level? I guess I'm
not sure if I'm on the last level, I'm well, I think I've
just beat the snow level. Or maybe I'll beat the snow level. Okay,
yeah, your career, you better Okay, man, you better do
that right after this, because yeah, that's the plan. Yeah that loves
good bosses. Bullshit. And like I saw some people online say it like
took them hours. They didn't take me that long. You know, you're
so like me. Yeah, I'm not good at Sonic. What the fuck
do you mean it takes hours to be the fucking Some people are real confused
talking about what no way what. I know you were like, Hey,
Jeff's not gonna like this final boss. Yeah, you're gonna hate that boss.
Mike. Let's be clear here. You are saying you don't like that
boss and you think it's bad, and you know you're usually as a defense
so you can criticize Sonic without saying something bad about something. I'm just saying
because if you couldn't want to play Mario and it's gonna be like available to
play when we're done with this show, and you're not gonna be able to
yet because you have three or four hours of Sonic Superstars to play, because
this boss is going to take you. I'm trying to help you, all
right, Well give me the pro tips then, okay. I don't want
to get right now that might be spoilers. I don't want to give away
the strategy to the final boss of Sonic Supers Superstars. The stupid Stars is
what I think. I just I that game are pretty bad, real bad.
They are all They're actually all bad. Some of them are real bad.
I don't know what they're thinking. They're but I don't know if they
were thinking is that the spoiler people are upset about people are upset about Sandman.
I'm actually going to find them and beat them up if that's the one
they're actually mad about it. And since somebody said, like, oh,
I didn't know what Sadman was on the on the video game until I said
a lot of people were mad about Jeff and spoilers to be clear, So
a lot of people are mad about the that's the whatever. They're going to
play that game and realize again, that's not really any of the spoilers.
All right, let's keep going through this news. PS five Slim's release date
and a Spider Man two bundle may have seemingly leaked. PlayStation five Slim is
going to be released in November. Now it's like, looking at it's going
to be, I think it's November eighth. I actually fucking didn't write the
date down here? What good am I? But November? And yeah,
I think it's November eighth for a Spider Man two bundle with the PlayStation five
Slim systems, and that would be five hundred and sixty dollars essentially with the
disc version. Then apparently two days later, the PlayStation five Slim without a
bundle without a game bundled in is going to release at that point at least
it's the date dates according to Bill bel Kuhn, who's a very Bill Bill
Kuhn, Bill bell Killhn. Yeah, the reliable leaguer, Mike, But
what do you have to say about Bill bil Kuhn not think it's an interesting
name? Yeah, yeah, it's that. I'm like, that's a normal
see yeah, well it's okay, but yeah, sure, BBC, Yeah,
we know what's on Mikey's mind. Uh yeah, whatever, Well this
is I think this makes a lot of sense because I think Sony knows that
Spider Man two is going to be its biggest fucking thing. This is maybe
this entire generation, and so lining up your new hardware release with that game,
even though the game will have been out for a while obviously it's coming
out tomorrow tonight or whatever. Uh like, still having that game like ready
to go as like the first initial push for the Slim is going to help
a ton probably, I mean absolutely, I mean it could be their biggest
exclusive of for the console really, right, mm hmm. Yeah. What
was the best selling PlayStation four game? Was it? Spider Man? It's
a it's a game called Marvel's Spider Man the best selling, fastest selling and
best selling I think PlayStation exclusive of all time, is what they said,
right right, Actually, yeah, and you know they're going to have some
stuff obviously coming out Wolverine, presumably a ghost Yushima two. What is actually
like ed spider Man three, probably about the indust generation. Yeah, what
is the what is announced that we know is coming from Sony's first party?
Still not that's a coup. It's gonna have to announce some things here soon.
Huh, yes, yes, exactly. And I've heard some uh,
Sony fans that have like Sony fan podcasts talking like, hey, you know,
in the past, they would tell this stuff really early, and so
hey, I just want to like they're like trying not to be too anxious
about it because they're pretty happy with the games that they're getting, but they
are they are beginning to say, it's weird that we haven't had like the
big here's what's coming out over the next two years Beyond Wolverine, it's pretty
much just Wolverine now, right, Yeah, that's it. And again we
assume Sucker Punches, Ghosts Yushima two cannot be very far behind. Yes,
and you know what else is Naughty Dog doing? Is it just those Part
three? It could be that could be announced anyway, but that was a
game. I'm when they announced lest of Us Part two, it took forever
for that thing to actually come out after getting announced. Yeah that long again.
Yeah, and that one, like anything, Naughty Dog just feels so
far off. I mean, especially when they had to put their multiplayer game
on ice. So yeah, it's it's it's it's a strange time. But
I bet once they do have another big event that should answer a lot of
those questions. Up to for crying out loud, that's a really good point.
That's the one where I like, this is this entire year, as
we were getting Sony events, I'm like, well, team of sobe,
we'll hear what they're doing. And it's because you know, VR was here
at the very least they're going to be doing a VR game, not even
that. So it's almost kind of good because now I'm like, Okay,
maybe they are just making but what if it's a V game next year?
That would be really depressed, right, that would suck so bad. We'll
see. I like, any chance you're going to like upgrade to a slam
I can't remember if I asked you this, No, there's nothing now,
absolutely not. It'd be really silly for me too. I think it was.
I could see some people doing it if it had like two terabytes of
storage, but just going from eight hundred and twenty five gigabytes to one terabyte,
I don't see many people making that choice. Although you know, some
people are wild for a new hardware no matter what, and I don't blame
them. I do that with Nintendo, so I get it. I Ineo's
new handheld looks like a Nintendo DS successor. I and Neo puts or yeah,
I up put yeah iiO is the name of the company, and they
put out a ton of these handheld PCs of a bunch of different varieties.
But recently it's been getting closer and closer to stuff like Steam Deck. Some
of I say closer and closer. Some of them are more powerful than the
Steam Deck. I have been expecting someone to do a DS like console,
a handheld console from China for a while. Now Ie wo be on the
one to do it, a little bit surprising, but I'm hey, I'm
all all in favor of this. I just I guess I'll just to see
how much is gonna cost. It does use an AMD rise in seven seventy
four to U chip, which means it's probably going to be seven hundred dollars
in that ring defensive for a machine that I basically want to emulate DS and
three DS games on. I just don't buy a three D yes and I
have those. I have those ready to go, and they are they're modeled.
So I do think this is a cool thing, but but it's it's
not exactly something I need. Although I once it's in front of me,
and once I see the specs, and once I see how woke games run,
and maybe it's like super comfortable and all this stuff. I don't know.
Something about a clamshell design always does appeal to me the most ever since
the Game Boy Advance sp But mostly it's just like, Okay, I'm glad
we're getting this because I might encourage what happens with these Chinese companies. All
the times one company does it, then the rest sort of find the way
to do it as well, and I'm like, okay, So I'm hopeful
that we'll get a lot of companies trying to do that, and I hope
they get the hinge. Right, that's the one thing that never actually is
high quality. So we'll see moving right along. Phil Spencer is all in
if teams want to re visit classic Xbox and Activision franchises. Uh, he
basically was. There was a podcast over Microsoft their PR team, and he
basically said, hey, if if we can get if we could find the
teams, we'll do a couple of these per year. And by these he
means games like Heretic and Hexin and and things along those lines where it's like,
yeah, we think with game Pass we can make all of those make
sense. So he's kind of making a small little promise, not exactly an
explicit promise, and it is just a couple of games per year, but
that's better than what we were getting from Activision. How hopeful are you that
that's actually going to come to pass? Oh? I mean it would take
a little bit anyways, but gosh, I mean that's you know, we
were just talking about Sony and how much I wish that they could fill out
their schedule by reviving some of their older classic franchises, you know, less
stuff like Ape Escape or even like a Jet and Moto is what's the Moto
motally cool. I just don't hear from anymore. But yeah, Microsoft has
access to a lot of this stuff now, I mean, you know so
so from what they acquired, sure hecks, but even from within their own
catalog. I always scream about Crimson Skies and how much I want that back,
right Yep, I would love it. I guess the question is like,
who you know, who out there has the studio that has the time
in the will that wants to specifically be like, hey, We're going to
be the team that brings back blanks the time Sleeper, because that's what we're
all really into right now, right, Yeah, it's you know, making
games, especially at a big corporation. A lot of that's politics, and
it's building coalitions and it's building agreement across a bunch of different departments and getting
all these people to say, yes, we all believe in this and we
want to do this. And I think for some of these classic franchises that'll
be easy, and for most of them it'd be I think it'd be very
difficult to say let's make one of those, as opposed to saying trying something
new, and that's I think we see that play out with the current crop
of Microsoft studios that have done stuff like oh, Obsidian, Hey what you
go to spin spin up something and go try something? You want to make
it all game like, No, we're gonna make grounded and and uh not
usiding, but a tingle game works making a high five rush and things like
that, and and then the up city and making pentiment. So it's like,
I think that's a good I'm glad that they're doing these new things because
I like most of those things. They're they're all very good. It's crowded.
You fucking can't stand grounded. You won't shut up about it. Yeah,
I mean, let's bury that thing angry in the ground is what I
always say, because I think I'm very clever, and you keep rolling your
eyes, but I'm gonna keep saying it. This is the kind of thing
where I could see, Uh, it's just that opportunity costs. And I
think a lot of these studios are going to be like, hey, we
would rather do something new because that excites us more and we do have that
freedom, so I think and less and less Phil takes a little bit more
of a take charge attitude about some of these classical franchises. Most of them
are probably gonna still remain dormant, and that's not too surprising to me.
I don't know how about you, And I was joking, but what do
you think is the like assessed been on Grounded? You think that was Yeah,
they say a waste of time, but no, no, no,
I mean the there's a pretty I think I thought there was a surprisingly big
community behind it. Okay, I didn't never hear anyone talk about it,
you know, when it was getting near the when it had its one point
oh release through the end of the year, there was like this push from
people to be like, I'm gonna try this before like game of the year
stuff, and a lot of people came away from it really positive, at
least the people I was listening to podcast talk about it. I never really
had a chance to actually try playing it with other people in any real way,
and I kind of wish I did. But it's like, you know,
I think it's it turned out to be one of the pretty good one
of those survival games. Sure, I get think that that whole genre kind
of likelice over my head. Yeah, bit it's kind of sad. I'm
a little skeptical people that Grounded is big It doesn't feel like it's a big
deal to me, But you say so, you say so. Chat Yeah,
I think maybe in the Xbox community might be pretty big. I don't
think it's like Sea if Thieves big, right, sure, ye big Monkey
Island DLC. Huh yeah, exactly if you want to convince Mike, get
some fucking Monkey Island DLC in there. Maybe Grim and Dango. I like
your Fandango. You know that game's turning twenty five at the end of the
month. How about that. Yeah, you got any jokes for that game
that you're gonna submit. I gotta work on them. I gotta work on
them. I'll be very excited to see what you come up with. All
right, let's just those last spit. The Tarkana report, the MPD report
was out, Starfield was number one, Mortal Kombat one was number two.
That's a confusing thing to say. Uh, the EA Sports FC twenty four
was number three. Then Madden then paid a three NBA two K twenty four
and the Crew Motifes motor Use at number seven. And it's a pretty good
showing for the Crew Motorfest mic it is. And yet I think a lot
of people I I like the crew. I know you said that I was
giving your opportunity here. Yeah, it's pretty good. I think more people
should play it again. It's good that it charted a lot of big games,
yes, from a lot of releases. Man, and that's October's supposed
to be the crazy month. So look out, Hey, that's pretty good
for Starfield, right, a game that is only on you know, PC
and x bugs, not on PlayStation, and also is on game Pass.
Anyway, it still beat a huge release like Mortal Kombat one, which is
on everything like including Switch. So yeah, it's pretty good. Pretty good
more than pretty good, it's very good. Yeah, it's impressive. And
I think we knew the game was selling well and performing well. I think
I was never really too much of a question, and yet still a little
surprising that it beat Mortal Kombat one, game that we knew was going to
be massive, a huge success in a big seller. And then as far
as hardware goes, Xbox was number one, or at least that they said
it was the biggest, it was the only one they had growth. I
don't know if they said it was number one for the month or not.
Let me actually score down here and see what they say, video game hardware
spending fell eight percent when compared to a year ago to four hundred and fifty
one million, single digit percentage growth, and consumer spending on Xbox series hardware
was offset by declines across both PlayStation five and Switch. PlayStation tried remained the
best selling hardware both in terms of units and dollar sales during the month.
Okay, so yes, PlayStation five still outsold the Xbox even though Xbox was
up and PlayStation five was down, but Xbox ranked number two across both measures.
Yeah, that sounds that still sounds right because for Starfield, like we
know, hey, that's the one that's gonna move Xboxes, right, Well,
it performed, at least for in terms of sales, and that's not
too surprising better on PC than it did on Xbox because I think so many
people are just waiting for the for the game Pass version. But yeah,
I think this was the one that was supposed to move Xboxes. I don't
know, how do you feel about the health of the console at this point.
I guess it's a little I don't say, I don't know if distressing
is too much, but yeah, because this is was basically their biggest shot
at one of their gains being a console seller, right, definitely not going
to have this point by far. Yeah, and who knows what's going to
do that again. So this month they can't beat Place five, maybe they
never do. Maybe that's fine, maybe they'll ever need to beat Placeation five,
But it does kind of feel, Yeah, you didn't do it this
month. I don't know if you ever going You certainly aren't going to next
month when Spider Right comes out yep. And I don't know. Now that
this Activission deal is closed, it feels like their overall ecosystem of selling games
and micro transactions and being on mobile is healthier than ever, and so I
think that dampens an he can real concern about like what the Xbox hardware is
doing, because there's so many ways to get into this Xbox world now,
and yet still I think I was expecting a little bit better of showing from
the Xbox for on the back of Starfield at the very least. Yeah,
just with the software. Is interesting to see some games still holding pretty well.
Yeah, Armor corese six went from two to eight behind the really releases,
even Jedi Survivor from twelve to eleven. Resident Evil four were from twenty
seven to twelve. I'm guessing a lot of people got back there because of
the or picked it up finally because Separate Ways came out. So yeah,
you know, it's like a lot of the games that were supposed to be
big games are continuing to do it. Look Cefd's from thirty four to nineteen.
See that's what Monkey Island does for your game now long I think actually
actually makes me feel for Are you happy that it actually had an impact on
s IF star sales? Cool? But yeah, uh is it really Monkey
Island? You're pushing that? You think? What else could it be?
I don't know, That's why I'm asking. I have no idea, but
I guess might be maybe you know, at the very least, like announcing
new content for it probably did push it away. I mean it's like big
content, so I mean, yeah, maybe that more so than the Monkey
Islands of it. But I mean, hey, that stuff is good,
that stuff is very good, so yes, cool? Uh yeah, I
mean the rest of the list, there's a lot of known quantities and and
and like perennial hits and games that were from earlier this year, Hogwarts,
Legacy, and and and Zelda Cheers of the Kingdom Minecraft, Mario cart things
like that, Dobles saying that season ten of See If Thieves did add private
servers, so that might that's that's might be something too. I don't know,
that's right. A lot a lot of people are very into the idea
of playing in a world where you aren't constantly getting attacked by people who are
better than you. Yeah. Right, A big complain from Sea if Thieves
players for it's hard for newbies because you do like you know, you're gonna
have no chance for a fit there. Yeah, and there's there gonna be
a crew of people who have played like ten thousand hours because there's apparently a
lot of people who see if these is their game. All right, I'll
go back a second. Never want a chat. You should have all been
talking about how much you love Grounded before. I had never heard anyone talk
about Grounded. Then I desparage it for a moment, and everyone is apparently
I read that in the world. Apparently, apparently it's the biggest game of
the world. I had no idea are they are they providing like any day
there's a lot of time. But I said it had fifteen million players,
which, oh, sure, Teddy shush quite a yelling them up. Grounded
Yeah, well we'll see, uh fair enough. I do think Grounded is
bigger than than you realized. I don't know if it's the biggest thing in
the world. That's that might be a little bit much. We'll see.
All right. We got a bunch more coming up on this podcast, including
a closest to the messy pen. We're gonna talk about the best or do
the mount rushmore actually for you today. We'll get to all of that after
we read some super chats after this break. See y all in a second.
We're back, and I don't know if you're listening to the podcast version,
let's stick around any of those show there's a bunch of bullshit during the
break. You're going to want to hear Mike read some super chats for me,
please, okay. Ario Delgado says, watch Terminal Montage buck Bumble,
You're welcome. I don't know what that is. Terminal Montage a YouTuber or
something. I don't know, but I'll watch it. I don't know.
Bation okay, oh okay, AJ says Happy Web and Wonder Day Wow two
w's I like it? Ww W W three. Dorachi just says Mario.
I agree, we're safe. We're safe now. Jeff my god. I
just can't believe the I can't believe how much faith in humanity I've lost over
the mainline. Mario debates, like, I can't believe that my old thing
used to be. I can't believe some people think Yoshi's Island is mainline and
you're so far from from that. I feel like it's like that's so quaint.
That's what's the argument, right, And like people that come at me
there were semantic. I'm like, it's a game where Mario is not to
make characters like well, if you think about this way, like okay,
whatever, But but man, the fact that you know Dan, but like
people people defend them. Yeah, but you asked them to explain, like
their their logic, like what's that term for, like putting things to do
in the world is around I'm not believing a damn thing. Yeah, exactly,
And you asked Dan to explain it, and there is no export.
He never actually explains his logic. It feels right to him. It just
feels exactly that exactly. That's what that Mario wonder is it a mainline Mario
game somehow, I do like we we haven't asked this, and I'm sure
there's no answer to this either, to what end? To what end?
Are you excluding these games from this mainline Mario category? Why do you feel
the need to do? You know, we had to take a break,
but maybe not even the next play club because I'm worried it's too much for
some people. We have to definitely still we have to get to bomb because
there's by his logic, why is why sixty four mainline Mario game? Then?
Because they changed the name completely and it doesn't even play like the previous
ones, right, So I don't know. I don't know, but I
can't can't hell anymore. Just you're here, it's a safe space. We
mostly agree on this. We're okay. I just need to be surrounded by
sanity. Yeah maybe for a second. It's uh, it's rough out there
when we talk about it now, it's tough. It's it's real, it's
real rough. Kit Kit was like, Brian from a gaming former tweeted about
this is I think forget which twenty eight? Yes, Yosh's Island. Yes,
he did the poll, and Kit was like, I can't do this
again. And then I had to explain to him that I have to deal
with Dan and it's so much worse. It's Oh you think that's again.
I used to think that used to get to me, the Osh's Island thing,
and now I mostly be like, look, you can have it,
you can have Bay life, but you've got to say that Super Mario three
D world is may life. What are we talking about? Craziness? All
right, Mike O'Leary says, while crawling and seeing The Nightmare before Christmas at
a theater in three D, A good weekend ahead of me. I saw
A Night Before Christmas in three D and a theater quite a while, like
before Avatar, it was pretty like it was early in that wave of three
D, and it was one of the first films that got a good three
D conversion. It's very well done. It's really fun seeing the movie that
way. So you're gonna have a good time. That's a good movie to
see this time of year. Oh yeah, probably, I like to watch
that if I can, like maybe like Halloween nights or the day after Halloween.
Right, sure, kind of a good transition. It's a good time
for that. I have kids, so I watch it pretty much every day.
Yeah, kids really like that. You would think like that would be
kind of scary. No, like little kids love the Night before Christmas.
Addie when she was two couldn't get enough of it. Addie when she was
three was petrified of it. Like we had a a Sally doll that we
got for because she loved Sally so much when she was two and then her
entire year being three and like kind of going into four a little bit.
If she saw that, she'd have to fucking leave the house screaming in terror
from seeing the Sally doll. And now now she's back one back on that
movie on Jack on Sally. She's all into it. Incredible. Al Greg
says making his kids beat Sonic Superstars for him made Jeff sick. Also,
why isn't Dan playing a Blake game next? He only played one game?
Love this show. Greg has a good point. I know he does,
and I agree, but I know that that's a losing battle. So now
he's gonna pap okay. Sonic was really long, and I think that's a
fair argument to the point where yes, longs he was bad at it though,
oh yeah, for sure, absolutely, but hey, it is what
it is, and I like playing the Blake Club Games, or at least
I like the idea, and then once I start playing and we'll see what
happens. It can't be surprisingly fun. Yeah, for the first ten minutes
exactly. Burrito says, salute your major up, Lieutenant Tokto on deck.
Thank you, Brito, njor Mitch. Oh yeah. Sumi Mech says spending
real money to show that the love for grounded is real. I believe you,
mex thank you very much. You should an't say something about I had
no idea. They just assumed you were cool and new. Uh be Travi
says, have either of you seen Suaka game slash Watermelon game on Switch?
Japanese fruit matching game that's getting big for streamers Japanese store only fruit. Okay,
I'll try it. Why is it pop? Is? There are there
boobs in it? But it's popular for streamers? Probably not right, Let's
see sweek. Well. I mean, I'm not like, I'm not saying
nipples, Jeff, I'm saying boobs. You know. Oh I listen.
You can't have you know me? Yeah? No, it's just cute fruit
fruit. This reminds me of that game. There's another game with this fruit
is not like boobs. Don't ruin boobs like that. How dare you,
says Grounded for the game bess hall of fame. I guess, oh yeah,
I live done that in a while. Yeah, we'll do. We'll
do a Hall of Fame here before the end of that month. Yep,
definitely. I don't know what's good like that. It's like, oh yeah,
question mark nineteen ten, says Mike. Not believing Grounded is successful was
on the same level of stubborn belief as dancing Super Mario Bros. Wonder is
not mainline. All right, it's exactly the same. I believe it's successful.
I believe it. I don't believe that it's I don't believe it's like
believe that they're going into meetings at Xbox and be like that Grounded money just
keeps coming in. We're riding high. Good Thank God for Grounded. You
know, no, no, I just I don't believe that. I'm sorry.
I checked the Steam stats on it and then lurking with Mike Girk and
says I named my kid Grounded. It was such a incredible. Uh all
right, then let'sten. I know it's an Xbox game and it's it's it's
game pass. It's all time peak on Steam was thirty two thousand, and
it's like daily peak is around five thousand to eight thousand. That's pretty okay,
players, Yeah, players, concur that's pretty good. I believe that
it was successful. Yes, I don't believe it was. I don't believe
it's a monument success. Yeah, that's a check cfieves, let me check
cfius. Yeah, let's see if the for comparison, like I would imagine,
see if these would be like five games more popular than Grounded. So
that's about that's about right. So like like the twenty four hour peak for
Grounded today was almost five thousand, This is not quite five times more,
but the CF Thieves is nineteen thousand. Okay, so that's its today peak.
And whatever I was wrong. I thought like maybe Grounded like did nothing,
So I was wrong for sure. Don't worry. There you go,
I admit it. All right, that's it for the supertestor now if you
all want to send in more super tests, we will be happy thread them.
In fact, we will be obligated to. Uh yeah, that's the
that's the contract that we've signed. All right, Thank you much for reading
those We're gonna take another quick break while we get set up for Closest to
the Messy Pin. We'll be right back after this. We're back more podcasts.
You're welcome, Mike. We got a game to play and that it'
it's time to hand the show over to Sean. Hello. Yes, it
is time once again for everyone's favorite game show with the podcast Closest to the
Messy Pin, which we have a very special one tonight. I'm very excited
for and uh I'm glad that some of the conversations this episode have gone a
certain way because it's Closest to the Messy Pin Dan Reichert Edition, everybody,
damn it. I would like to give a shout to r Wolves and a
Giant bomb Chat for suggesting this. So he's so handsome. This is presented
by me Turbo Sean, powered by Game Informer, executively produced by Benji Bop.
So here's how it's gonna go down. Each round you will be given
a curfied retro game ten years or older. But here's the twist. This
week, the goal is to predate the review score as Dan Reikert reviewed it
at gamed for like this. This is how I like this as always music
closest the pen scoring system. Every point off that the guys are, they
get one add to the score if they get exactly right, five deducted.
The goal at the end golf roles is you want the lowest score possible,
so first and foremost. Uh, you know, and I can't remember who
won last time. It has been a little bit, so let me just
flip a coin. I certainly, Jeff, he's been prob. I was
on that wind streak there for a little bit other than anyway, so that
works out perfectly. Okay, all right, so Mike, you will be
telling me what you think. Dan gave mag massive action game on the PlayStation
three January twenty sixth, twenty ten, based on one Dan for some reason.
Let's see, it's a game where you shoot people, and Dan does
have a simple mind like that, I don't think. I don't know if
Dan has a lot of PlayStation three level I wonder if Stan like a kind
of like one of those not not not Sonny haters, but you know,
there was a there was a pretty big wave of people who are relatively down
the PlayStation three. I could see Dan being up that he prefers his Xbox
to the PlayStation five right now for multi platform games. Yeah, but I'm
sure he also defin I mean, most people did prefer the three sixty to
the Yeah, that's that's what I'm getting. I think that comes from that
sort of thinking. Yeah, I'm gonna guess he gave it like a seventy
seventy. Okay, Mitch is going with seventy, got it. I'm gonna
go with the sixty eight a little bit lower, a little bit lower,
a little bit lower right now. Like Dan mentions his scores every once in
a while, I don't ever know how low he goes. This might be
a bad right. This is also yeah, twenty ten video game reviews where
seventy is like trash. Yes, okay, well, mag Massive Action Game,
the game where Dan said an impressive player account can't overcome generic gameplay.
He gave a seventy. Let's fucking get it, let's fucking go. Why
don't you just marry him? God? Oh, we were buddying out over
a day letterman stuff on Twitter last night. No man, Oh, yeah,
we're best friends. Don't be jealous. Incredible, all right, Well
they're Nemesis Nemeses. Anyways, so then that works out. Game number two,
Jeff, A game to be clear, game of former is a one
to one hundred scale. They use it, Yeah, is it? Game
number two is border Lands to the Xbox three sixty version, released September eighteenth,
twenty twelve. One. Dan Riker review, Jeff, Okay, Borderlands
to I think there was a bit of a diminishing return from Borderlands one,
but not much. I am gonna comn hmmm, let me think here,
to be fair, because I read the resident chet Jeff, they are increments
of like that's right, it's like nine point twenty five or nine five though.
Uh, I'm gonna go with eighty eighty on the dot. Okay,
Yeah, Mike, I bet he liked Borderlands too. I bet he would
have thought it was pretty funny. I am going to say a ninety ninety
that was a good game too. That's actually a good game Borderlands too,
of which Dan called a genre blending triumph. Oh man, he gave when
converted. Come on, that's the guy that has Dan written all over it.
Yeah, funny because he hates that internet humor. I figured he would
have hated us now, because like you know, that was a pioneer in
internet humor. We all laughed at that horse named to Butthole or whatever back
in the day. Yeah, when we're all a lot less mature, there
was a game. That game got a lot of reviews like that. Nobody
today's like that's one of the best games. Yeah, yeah, everyone loved
it at the time. Absolutely, and yeah it's good. It is also
of its time and some definitely all right. Game Umber three Mikey Donkey Kong
Country returns on the Wei November twenty first, twenty ten one. Dan Reikert
review. I'm trying to think of dance a Donkey Kong Country guy. He's
a Nintendo guy, and a lot of people were so excited about this.
I bet he did like it. I am going to say in but he's
weirded about he's heard about is getting two d and now I bet he gave
it a ninety. I bet gave it ninety this one in ninety ninety.
Okay, I'll go with an eighty eight and hope I just get a spot
on eighty eight. I don't see it happening. If I think, always
say Mitch on this game scoreboard. By the way, maybe well, Dan
Reikert said that Donkey Kong Country Returns is a retro's revival that eclipses the originals,
and he gave it a ninety five. Jesus Wow, I really like
that one. I thought it was really good when I played it too.
I know he kind of got bored by it pretty quickly. I remember,
did you play the Wii or three D pree yes version? Okay, Okay,
me too. I know people like Tropical Freeze Bear, but I actually
think I like that. People like Tropic Three's better, and I was like,
yeah, that was fine. You're being real easy, a little too
easy, all right. Well, approximately halfway through the game for the audio
listeners, Mitchison at eight points on the board, Jefferson at twenty seven scoring
system power of Dan Reicherd. I'm going to fly winning game, all right.
Well, Jeff, it's your turn to pick first. I need you
tell me what you think. Dan Record gave Hulk Hogan's Main Event on the
Xbox three sixty in October on October eleventh, twenty eleven, based off of
his one review. I don't know this game at all. I think it's
a bad game, but I don't really know, so I'm just completely guessing
blind here, and I'm gonna guess a forty five just to like give make
a real chance here, give myself a shot. Well, it is,
it's got to be that low because this is the awful Connects game. And
Dan doesn't like Caul Kogan. Uh so I'm going to like go thirty.
I bet he liked it even less than that. Okay, Jeff's going forty
five, Mitch is going thirty. Well, haul Cogan's main event, of
which Dan said, eat your viamins, say your prayers, and play literally
any other game. He gave a ten. Whoah, yeah, man,
that's awesome to give it that low. Props for using the full spectrum of
the graded. Yeah, that rules. Do you think he still has his
cannets? Yes? Absolutely up. If we madehim dress like Haulcogan, maybe
problematic friendship would be over at that point. All right, Well, coming
Slim is sixty two over here, Slim sixty two on Jeff's side, that's
right. Going into the final game, Mike, it's your pick four Dead
or Alive Paradise on the PlayStation Portable March thirtieth, twenty ten. Yeah,
Dan is not a pervert at all. I gotta say that about him.
He is not swayed by the bikinis, you know, like I actually like
kind of really liked it. Or Alive Extreme each volleyball. He wouldn't fall
for it. No, he was probably not impressed. He probably gave it
like a fifty five. Fifty five. I am forty away, so I
don't really have a chance no matter what here, So I guess I'll have
to go with a let's see, let's actually do the math here. If
you're a fifty five, gotta hopefully another ten again or something, yeah,
exactly, and there's no chance of that. But I'm just gonna I'm gonna
have to try, no matter what. So let's hear that. That's thirty
four, right, So if you get you know, quite a ways away
and get perfectly correct, yeah yeah, yeah for sure. But that's that
seems unlikely, So I will go with a twenty twenty okay, okay,
well, Better Alive Paradise, a game I didn't know existed. I knew
I know about Better Alive games because I'm fighting game guy. I knew about
the extreme stuff because it's you know, it's a pervy haha joke. I
had no idea this game existed, actually, and I looked into it.
Apparently this is the game that moved it all into the like ultra pervy territory.
Dan Reikert called it, or said of it, creepiness abounds in gaming
equivalent of softcore porn, which is not wrong. He gave it a forty
yep, yep, that's probably It's actually probably right around where I would have
guess if I had any chance of getting closer, which means that Mitch wins
forty three to Jeff's eighty two. Either of you over here before before we
go, Yeah, I'm a little nift that Mike figured it out. But
yes, Game of Foreigner uses a forty point scale, and so we had
to editorialize a little bit. Don't give Dan a ship on something scores,
but we had to convert some scores and whatnot to make this all work.
Okay. Once again, thanks to our wolves for the idea, and thanks
to Bop for uh working with me and put this one together all right,
So good congratulations Mike. That was that was a couple of those you got.
You got that first one spot on and then you got all the ones.
You were like pretty close in those first three ones and then the wild
ones you did really sure, Like you know, I knew he didn't like
I'll cook and didn't know he gave it a ten spiritually correct, which is
exactly so. Yeah, that was a lot of fun. Thank you guys
for that. That was that. That's very cool. We will keep going
here. What do we got We're gonna do the dude Rushmore video game villains?
Yeah, all right, so you know what, let's get set up
for that by fixing this. We'll be right back one more time. See
all very soon we're back and we are going to do a mount Rushmore of
video game villains. That means we are going to try to pick four of
the most important, most influential, however, we need to define it to
get him up on the on this mountain. That's what we're gonna do.
We considered a top ten, but I don't. For some reason, Mount
Rushmore just makes more sense for me for something like this, where it's like
I don't want to have to decide, oh, this one's slightly better than
that one for number seven and number eight. That's silly to me, I
think. I guess I'm just worried there might be like three obvious ones and
then fighting for less place maybe maybe maybe not. We'll see it. Maybe
we'll see We'll see what happens, and we can always we always can reserve
the right if we want in the middle of it, we want to change
it to a top ten whatever, we'll do that. Uh okay, Mikey,
what do you got for video game villains? Yeah, I think we
should probably include that Bowser fella. Yeah, Bowser seems pretty likely. I
almost would consider him a George Washington like figure. Yeah, Oh, of
course, absolutely, the George Washington like what we're what we're famous vide game
villains before this, a ghost from pac Blinky right, yeah, but like
then than a villain. To be honest, Bowser very malleable, right,
he couldn't. You couldn't make him actually threatening. If you want to,
you can have him just be a goober. You can even have him be
a sort of like an easy ally in ways that is a lot of fun.
The characterization of Bowser has only gotten better throughout the years. Like you
know, he was the highlight of the movie in part because of Jack Black
Ben apart because that is actually kind of a fun character. Yeah, I
agree, I think that I don't know just so that it's it's always fun.
They alway funny way to make Bowser fun. And I think he's just
iconic and there's a reason they keep using him. It's because he works and
they don't. They didn't really kind of get anything wrong with him, so
then keep going back to that well over and over again, and it's always
just fine. I think the one I want to throw out there, because
you're right, we might end up with just like four that are obvious,
but I think I think I want to throw this one out there early.
Albert Wesker, I think is a pretty uh uh, pretty I don't know.
He's the guy I think of was like when I'm like trying to think
of a human villain, He's the one that comes to mind first for me,
even though there's a couple others from like from RPGs I think might rank
up there even higher, but for me, al but Wesker definitely is someone
who's in play here here Okay, so you know, I've been very into
Resonuva lately. My problem with Wesker is that he is not scary at all,
even sure like he's kind of he's a goober. Yes, and in
Rezie will five, he just becomes Agent Smith for some reason. Well because
the Matrix. So yeah, I think, well, they watched the Matrix
like ten years after it came out, and then we're doing an exact copy
of that. I might fight a little. I don't know. We'll see,
we'll see. I get it for sure. It's a big for me
video game villain being a goober is a big part of that. I think,
uh, something about that is like if because the Resident Evil. A
lot of it is scary, but a lot of it's hokey and chizy.
Man I and the fact that Albert Wesker always showing up is always going to
get a pop. I don't know. I think he fits in well here.
I don't know if he's going to fit in well enough to stick stick
around. He's worth of consideration, He's definitely worth He's definitely in the mix.
I would say, all right, what do you got this? I'm
almost like, when I talk this one out more than put it in,
because like Seph Roff, seems obvious and almost simwhere to Wesker. I have
issues with Seph Rock, but from a from a Mount Rushmore perspective. Maybe
I've said this before and I guess I'm pushback, but I still believe this
seph Roff kind of makes fin off Fantasy seven a worse game, Like it
starts off as focusing very heavily on the eco terrorism and like the antiqu operation
side of things, and then once sep Rov gets more and more involved,
it becomes more seph Rof's going to destroy the world because he's very evil,
so we should stop him. So he's very iconic, and obviously the design
is great. There's a lot of like really very memorable, incredible theme song,
but as a character sometimes like, yeah, it's like, I get
why is this popular? He's kind of like the spawn of video game villains.
I I agree, I think I think that. I mean, hang
on just for one second there. The guy on this podcast Want is literally
the like anti like eco terrorism, Like he flips it on them because his
whole goal is to consume the planet for his his alien mother thing. So
the eco terrorists have to flip it on like, oh shit, we actually
have to save the planet instead. Yeah, and that wasn't nearly as interesting
as I'm actually having to fight against actual problems that we might encounter as human
Kepka poison that that lake or whatever that goes much better? Is Kepka is
just like actually just straight up evil and loves it right easy seeds. Is
there any chance we can put Keka on this list instead of stuffer Off?
Oh boy, that I'd be checking even saying Kept is a better better pick,
because better kept the better. I think if if Asus the fan fantasy
fans, I think, yeah, kep cons better. Keps a better villain
the whole, the whole he is he going from the hero of the entire
world to be like the guy who's going to destroy it. That is,
you guys are using up your chances to interrupt this podcast, so use him
wisely, all right, Okay, But like that's like Sifter is, like
there is a cool character from like being like the best soldier of them all
to becoming like this fucking in the world. Like so because he was a
good guy he turned heel Yeah, yes, I think who like wh when
this one Christian? I agree San what you said chat for Mount Rushmore specifically,
that does I can't make me. Yeah, we get seph Roth for
Mount Rushmore. I just that's the only reason that I think that he would
be the I mean only one of them was an air guy's god bless the
Ring or whatever, the true sign of the most iconic game with only the
most iconic characters. Uh. But I still part of me wants to just
say, fuck it, it's our list and we can put the gut was
way better. I mean, I'm okay, I'm just gonna put both up
there and we can and then we can see what the compromise by make sure
by having nobody get what they want, maybe we'll see. Okay, let's
see here. Uh, I mean, Gannondorf probably does to also be considered.
Again, I'll just put Gannon there we go, because I feel like
Sally, it's Gannondorf that pops, You're right before the Gannadorf from from time
time. Yes, I did even really need it to keep being Gannon and
almost kind of seems like this almost a lazy thing. But then like Gannadorf
was when it became kind of cool and iconic and it was neat to see
like somewhat different takes on that, like wind Waker had slightly more stoic,
like almost like old wise man Gannandorf that was really cool. You know,
we we just recently got the new take into the Kingo and that was good.
I mean a ganadorf I don't probably from from an ockeren of time.
Just him being in that castle and looking over it link through the window or
looking at what you looking at Lakers all Da through the window and scaring them.
I don't know, those moments are super burned into my brain as just
like that's cool, that's interesting. I like this. He's scarier than Albert
Wesker from the Horror franchise for sure, without a doubt. Yeah, absolutely,
yeah, he's he's a really strong attender on this list, and I
gannandorfrom Bowser on. Of course they're gonna be on there. It does feel
like kind of damp. They probably should be, but we'll see. Yeah,
ah okay, I feel like like, okay, here's one of my
favorites. I guess I kinda to see what you think of and this people
always is coming. I like Doctor Wiley quite a lot. Doctor Wawie,
we must equickly man Ywie. Doctor Wawie. Uh. You know, he's
he's been around forever. He's in a ton of games. He's always doing
the same stuff, to the point where it's like, oh, my god,
it's wildy again. We got mad and made fun of it. It
got tiresome in the end, Yes, era then it got to points like
no, we like when it's Wiley again. That's actually pretty funny. I
just like that. His whole design is basically what if Albert Einstein was evil?
Yes, I like it. I've always liked that design too, and
I I think he's pretty close iconic. It's just it's a why Jeff for
Wiley. W I l y thank you? I had that was like maybe
an e Uh. Doctor Wiley's trouble is that he is in a game with
one of the most iconic heroes and he doesn't quite stack up to Mega Man
levels like and that's tough for Wiley. But I don't think that like hurts
him too much here. But I'm also he's gonna have a tough time making
the list. We've got one of the best NYS songs, Doctor Wiley,
uh, level one for Mega Man two. Come on, that's his song,
his name's in it. Congratulations Doctor Wiley. Okay, it's just another
long shot. I've got a couple of ones that are maybe more obvious,
but I'm I've been playing through these games, and I'm a big fan of
him, Shao Khan. Okay, because I was thinking fighting game in general,
Like I was thinking about this, who is the fighting game representative?
Because I think a lot of people would say, I'm Bison, Yeah,
are not a cure with uh A Kumakuma. I feel like Kuma is maybe
not a villain after all. I don't know, don't quite get a Kuma's
deal. Even though I play as a seam all the time, he's I'm
it's it's like the rival. Yeah he's he's a shower. Yeah sure,
but I don't know. Like Bison, He's iconic is good, but again
kind of uninteresting, like he wants to take over the world. Okay,
uh sure, I mean Shao Kan, I guess wants to take just wants
to take over Earth, but he wants to take over Earth reme. His
character design is also just great. I mean that guy actually looks pretty intimidating.
Of all the people I would be least happy about seeing got my front
door, I think Shao Khan would top that list. And I kind of
do want a beefcake on this mountain, and he's like the best beefcake villain
in video games. I think. I mean, there's maybe some others,
but he's definitely up there. For me. I love Shao Khan. Every
time I see him in these games, I'm just like, yeah, fucking
a showcan let's go? Because he's also a goober with like all these guys.
Are all these guys, even Gannondar a goobers? Not well, Kep
has a bit of a goober. Yeah, I didn't come on it.
He's just theatrical and stuff. Yeah, I guess I will say it's about
Sephferrof not a goober. Yeah, okay, fair enough. Yes, maybe
you could use a little goober and yeah that would only it's a video game
villain. You gotta be a little bit of a goober. So yeah,
Shoukhan, I just I just get really happy when I see him in a
video game. What about GLaDOS, Yeah, that's that's what I was thinking.
That's the more obvious one. I think that's I'm over her. That's
the thing. You want too many cakes? A lie? Uh yeah yeah
a little bit. Yeah, and like I think I don't it's maybe one
note. The jokes are one note. Listen, the writing for GLaDOS was
very, very good. It really was. It was so good that it
did become really memified, and that does contribute to me getting a little bit
tired of her. But also it's like if they made ten portal games and
GLaDOS was the villain in every single one of them, that would get really
tiresome. Sure, but they didn't do that. No, I know,
but I just think I'm saying that she could not withstand that kind of like
some of these villains they could do that with and have done that with.
I don't know, I want to consider her. I was going to name
her as well, so I mean, you know that that was a that
style of humor was it is kind of like that. I don't know if
calling it weedon't esque is appropriate, but it was. It was very witty,
right yeah, yeah, very clever for the sake of being clever,
a little very clever and cute, interrreverent and that worked. It worked for
me a lot. Then I haven't played a while, I think I would
so enjoy it. And you know, good Boston counter there too, and
they do kind of flip it on its head an interesting way where she does
the uneasy ally thing in Portal two, So that stuff kind of works.
Yep. Let's see. Yeah, you go ahead, you go ahead.
Yeah, I was gonna say Andrew Ryan, uh yeah, big worth maybe
mentioning. I'm not like feeling the need to like rush him onto the mountain
mountain or anything like that. But I don't know, what, do you
think it was really interesting? There's yeah, I mean it's you know,
it's just a guy's name. And I still always going to remember Andrew Ryan,
Right, that's kind of impressive it its own, right, and even
though like you're one on one time with him is really limited, you sort
of feel his presence that entire game, right, there's something there. There
is something to and Andrew Andrew Ryan for sure. We haven't gotten a metal
Gear representation on Yeah, yeah, who are you thinking there? I think
Slick What Snake is still still the one for me. Still, I got
a Revolver also, I kind of got Wreckon to be like the villain of
the franchise a certain point. Even then it's sort of convoluted. I like,
aso fine, like what Snake was just actually good at being a villain,
right, he has various plans and they you know, he has a
personal connection to the hero. But and also you know, a lot of
this kind of grudge his shoulder chip on his shoulder. He is definitely a
goober, like how did you like my glasses? Like right, just an
incredible performance, really fun encounters with them, like that bit at the end
where you killed him, like choice, all right? That he shows up
in an armored car is something still chasing you, h. Liquid Snake is
just a lot of fun. I really like Luclas Steak is part of what
makes Melgarsol one so likeable. I don't think that, you know, We've
had some other good villains in that series, for sure, plenty good ones,
you know, the Boss and Megasol three, but nothing really quite worked
as well as Liquid Snake for me. All right, here's the one where
I when I when I think about it, I'm like kind of ready to
put them above just about everyone else on the list. Uh, Dracula from
Castlevania. So I was thinking about this too, Dracula. Right. There's
a few things there, Like one, it's it's literally draculam literally drag Yes,
yeah, I know, but from the portrayal and symphony, the night
is so strong on its own. That's the thing too. It's like Dracuo
has been so many different things in Castle Van. It's kind of a mess.
It's a different interpretation every time. But you're right, Like I do
think of that Simpy the Night again, giant goober. I mean, you
know, I know that opening by heart. I'll spare you this time,
but gosh, I don't know why that it just works for me. I
love that design too. He's kind of yassified. Yeah, real, yes,
very pretty. It's kind of a zaddie. Okay, let's talk about
it, Mike. Should we just do a top ten? We already have
a ton of we have a ton of characters, and we have maybe a
couple more than might get mentioned, and honestly, looking at it, it
might be easier just to rank them, and that might be more. I
might try to say that from the beginning, but I'm saying you're right,
Mike. Now that I just said it out loud, I'm sorry. Just
just if you say that more time, I think I missed it. Mike,
you were correct that we should have made this a top ten. Okay,
all right, sure, definitely do that. That's fine. Thank you
so much for thank you for your graciousness for letting me do this. Yeah,
absolutely, dude, that's great. Because now people can't yell at us
about sepher Off because it's iconic even though it's honly. Yeah, that's great,
Yes, this is that. That's actually the thing that made me want
to do it the most. Very Yeah, exactly, Okay, Yeah,
and there's still yeah, there's so plenty to consider, yes, Sar,
for sure, let's see. I have a chance first before I just yeah,
doctor Robotic, I like a lot robotic, A not man. That's
an awful name. Yeah, I would say doctor Robotic. Yes, specifically
the weird version of him in Sonica six, where he looks like a normal
cub. Yeah, yeah, I don't. I just like him. I
like his character design. He is great. I've always liked him. I
think he's a big ground shape, he's big. The mustache. Uh,
the whole plot of just turning little animals into robots, because why the fuck
not? I don't know, Doctor robotan is fun. Yeah, and he
was played by Jim Carrey. It was played by Jim Carrey, and none
of these other assholes were Who would be the best? I think I think
Jim Carrey playing Sephar would be inspired. I think I would. I would
die Yeah, uh huh, pretty good. Yeah, have fun. I
guess I don't know. What do you got, Mike? Okay, Diablo
from Diabolo, I don't know, because he's just like evil personified. Yeah,
I was like trying to think, like is there in a way that's
like he was intimidating, especially like Dabble two. I thought it was really
cool when I played him, kind of made him lame in three and then
he's you know, he's not in for for good reasons. I don't know,
like what would would there be a Blizzard presentation? People really like the
Lynch King. I think the Lych King's a little what's the it's the big
scary lady from StarCraft? Oh what? Kerrigan? Maybe maybe you're not You're
not really a StarCraft guy. I know, No, I'm not. Karrigan
was the one who turned then the Unevil Fighter in two and turned her into
like Jesus. I think, yes, I think she was Jesus. That's
right. Oh yeah, I forget all that. Yeah, not nothing from
a Blizzard, I don't think. I don't know. Okay, Ridley right,
yeah really yeah? Really even more than mother Brain Brain. But come
on, when Ridley shows up in Metroid Prime, come on, it is
real one of the best things in a video game, like every time he
shows up. Oh yeah, even like gosh, like I don't remember much
from Metroid Prime three corruption. I remember that boss by at the beginning when
you're fighting Ridley while you're falling down, like it's freaking two towers and you're
Gandaal fighting the ball Rog and super Metroid. Like Ridley is actually the hardest
boss. Like that's the real skill check before you're allowed to go and beat
the game. Just a cool design. He's like an alien tarodactyl and also
a captain for something. Yeah, like he's in the military or the Space
Space Pirate military. I guess really fucking rules and I'm great. I love
it. So that's a that's a cool sci fi alien villain design just across
the board. Here's actually one of my favorites. But it's a little weird
because again, the role changes sometimes. I like King d d D quite
a lot as a character. I love the design. That's d DD is
definitely a villain, even though I know what you mean. Sometimes he's a
buddy, but no, he's a villain first, yeah is it? Two
e's for the d D d D two e's I think it's d D D
Okay, it's kind of the same thing. I also like. I also
like King k Rule quite a bit. I like kingk Rule as well.
Yeah, he was actually one of my surprise seriit characters in the new Smash
Brothers. Like that design of him in There is Great. Oh yeah,
yeah that was. I mean I always like the advanced computer modeling design that
they had in in Donkey Kong Country, but they captured that essence and then
took it a little bit further with that led you astrade Jeff One for the
d D all right. I thought it was right too. That's why I
asked, all right, there we go the d all right, let's see.
I don't can I say one? You were earlier today and I was.
I couldn't stop thinking about the little guy. Yeah, Raymond. Everybody
loves Raymond his name. Yes, I always think as him as like the
villain of that of that game, But he's not. He's just like another
underlink. Yeah, he's got he's got a little bit of a fortunate like
Lieutenant Problem great great so is Ridley has been the main villain sometimes too,
write and and Ridley's is Samusus Nemesis, right, like he that's why he
keeps showing up because like he really works for all these different people and and
just trying to make all this different stuff happen. But he is definitely like
they have history, and that is like what race is Ridley above, I
think Salas are ye I bet Leon Kennedy for Gott Sauzar's name, Like yeah,
definitely, yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, really killed her parents,
right, Yeah, that's right, yeah, right, that's why they
try to do that whole recond thing of same as being terrified of him and
other m and people. Got right, Yeah, it was a very dumb
pyramid head is what I was going to say. Oh yeah, Pyramid is
real good. It's iconic. It's weird because that's like, right, it's
kind of like an It's not just a normal enemy, I know, right,
but it's like a manifestation of I don't know, I just I don't
know. Is that's the only character in this if we put Pyramid here,
that'd be the only character that we just straight up sea have sex. And
again I think the very first moment we see them. In fact, I've
seen many of these characters have sex on some of course. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, probably interesting. Okay, then also in the list, yeah,
sure is kind of the same character. To be honest, I kind
of like I just forget what. Oh yeah, pyramid Head, Well,
Pyramidhead is more than I'm gonna make it. Yeah, I'm just gonna throw
it up there. And then I don't think Mistress would make it either.
Misstres is cool, but not not much. He doesn't have a lot else
going on. All right, Mike, I'm kind of running low on this,
uh a little bit. There's one, but it's like, I don't
know, do you would you do Darth Malick? You think Darth Mallock's that
good? Is that? Is that what makes that game good? That's pretty
good. Man, that's pretty good. Doesn't have a bottom jaw, He's
messed up. That's scary. How I spelled maw like Darth Malick. For
some reason, it actually really touched me, like because if you are like
super good Jedi, you can try to redeem him even at the end.
And I don't know why, like kind of like got me, Like he's
almost like, no, he like appreciates that. Though. I was like,
man, this characterization is great. Uh, yes, that's I agree,
and I think Darth Melock is definitely going to be a contender here.
I don't care for Handsome Jack, but that's me. Yeah, okay,
all right, I just wanted to make sure. Uh, and then I
don't know anything anything else. Well, I know you're not gonna go for
Neo Cortex. No, no, just know know, just to know.
Well, it's cool, but come on, like, I like, I
get it, I like, I like, I mean, look, it's
better than like, oh, how about the flood? How about you shut
up? How many times are you gonna throw a suggestion? Thank you for
your suggestion, Christian, I appreciate it. Wait, okay, doctor Nefarius
from Retching Clake, Yeah, I mean yeah, he was especially great in
that last one. That was the best boss way of that game was the
one you had with him in the middle of the game. Yeah. Absolutely,
man, there's I should replay that game. It's so good. Uh
okay, yeah, Doctor Nefarious. We did ask that the community. They
probably have some suggestions though. Yeah, I'll check it out. Let me
give me a second while I get that prepped. You go, there's that,
and then I'll bring it up right now, all right? Uh,
Like, Christian Cooks. What did Chris? What'd you even say in that
last one that I played? Because you were talking about a whole race?
Yes? Wow, you don't think it be important. I'm gonna get counseled
out. Okay, here we go. Uh Paperwolf five said Revolver. Awesome
lot, he's an S tier villain. Uh leah, but Spookier said,
someone else could bring your Gannendorfs or your sephar Offs or what have you.
Me, I bring a villain and a bestie all rolled into one, Goro
mod Jama and he is fabulous? Which which games? Is he a villain?
This is? Uh? Well, I don't. I know very little
about Youkuza, which I think this is your Cuza? I don't, Yes
it is. I'm afraid. Yeah, I thought he was your buddy,
but hey, I don't know. He's more like an italigonist. He's more
like a joker type deal. He's not like the Bill, but like he's
more like it. Is he like a wild card? Yeah, he's a
wildcard? Yes? Okay? Uh. Crans mcmasketball simply says Randy Pitchford.
Uh, return of the Boomer Boomer Den, that's a good name. Return.
I'm bringing everyone's favorite daddy crossed out and said, says villain to the
table, timeless, eternal, full of sorrow and pure evil. Dracula.
Uh yeah, hey, I'm I'm with you on that. I do love
that character portrait for Dracula. It's great, Yes, yeap, super hot
uh Adam g C says the mask guy from Majora's Mask what's his name?
Skall kids, Schall kids. Although MAJORA is the actual villain, the kid
just accidentally puts that mask on and you know gets it comes to jerk.
Now we just we could say Majory, but we're not gonna. What about
and Ross? No, whoa, Jeff, I got bad news for you
because Ross, his enemy is my anemy. Chaos Pump Pump Taboo says,
Hello John, And that's the dude from Red Dead Redemption too. Yeah,
I do like this character. Yeah, I can't remember the name right now,
which I feel like to qualify some no who came in with the Actually
it was Wrang. You're back in the hole. I don't play bad games.
You're right. This is like that time you gas let me about the
position of the GameCube Z button always be clothing slash cork, he says,
Jimmy Buffett from the twenty eleven Margaritaville Online. Jimmy said to have trapped players
on a porch of indecision. Oh yeah, that sounds like a very good
Villaine. Mister Bowl says Grunilda. The way she always talks to in rhymes
is fun. Uh yeah, that's that's fair. I like Gruntil a lot,
but I'm okay. Cas Casual says it's cursed Monkey Island's Chuck the list
Margaret the fell Omen is a great runner up, though, I guess we
woul considered a lot of soulsborn and villains. Let's see here, let me
that chuck, no, see in the second part of Chuck right, just
like that? Okay, I think it's a sea, actually, Chuck,
Okay, definitely there's a sea. All right. That's great. Uh.
Jeffrins says Ridley from Metroid. I get excited every time I see them on
screen. Colin says Odin from God of War Ragnarok. That's pretty good,
you know, God. I love Toby from the West Wing too, so
uh yeah, that's that's pretty good. The Once in Future Jason El says,
is it too too unfunny to say Bobby Kotick. If so, I'll
give it to Kefka same free enough epic Open World, says Elusive Man from
The Massive from Assfect Games. Uh. I like this one, but it's
not when I think about a lot, I don't know you, Hey,
do you not care for a mass effect all that much? I like?
No, I like mass Effect I do. I admit I rolled my eyes
at it for some reason. I even know why I don't have a my
eyes at it. I guess this is like something you know, how it
is some people really like something and you like it, but you're like,
why do you like it this much? And there's a lot of that for
mass aspect for mass Effect is very good. It does not deserve that from
me. It's obviously. Like even when I'm the remasses came out, I
was playing mass Effect one, Like, yeah, mass Effects one rules.
I like the fact. I like that goober from Mass Effect one, Sarah
or whatever, Sure, Saren. I like Saren more Lucy Man, which
is maybe a hot take. Yeah. Uh, Hamlet of Texas, says
the g Man from Half Life. It's pretty good. Yeah, g Man,
we still don't. The problem is it's been like a million years.
We still don't actually know what the g man wants me. What episode three
comes out, Mike, we'll get all those answers. Breen, though,
I love doctor Breen from Halfway two. Just that guy talking to you and
the computer remonders. Just a total shithead who sold out humanity. It like
dares to pretend like he's important. I love about the end when he's begging
with you right to stop. I love doctor Breen. We put him on
the list. I would like doctor Breen on the list is very good.
I like him. The brain all right. And then ham in Texas says
Warrior and r E E. And you thought his name was doctor. He
thought the bad guy from Halfways too. It sounds like you're saying doctor Brain.
Yeah, yeah, exactly, Ian, Okay, there we go.
Youah, no problem. Hammond of Texas says Warrior and Waaluigi take that,
mister eyeballs hell yeah you never. They never accomplished anything. I mean,
Marios stole Mario's castle one time. What is Mario doing with a can that?
Maris? All right? Sorry we play in the video. Uh all
right, yeah listen, Warrio WALLOWEENI here too. I don't know, yeah,
I think you can play ask them too much for me to think about
them that way. Uh b fam er the other player in every multiplayer game
I've ever played. Fuck that guy. That's a good point. I appreciate
that. Hey clink, said Senator Armstrong. The amount of quotes this man
put out from maybe an hour of on screen time is astounding. Some of
those coats are fake though, right, Yeah, sadly the one that was
what's your source? My sources? I made it the fun, but a
lot of it is. I mean, man, that's a good character,
and they're right, makes a ton of use out of limited screen time.
I got them up there. I want them up there. I like Senator
Armstrong. All right, Dan a machine Dando machine Son is real. It's
also coins to the make America great again. That's right, that is where
that came from. And Goalie says, easy answer, just like in real
life. It's Hitler. He sucks. Here's a video of him dying to
a nutshot in Sipe Sniper Elite cool. I meant to play that Sniper Elite
five and I never let around to it. Would you consider like robo Hitler
or whatever from Wolfenstein? Yeah, that's pretty good man, that's in Wolfenstein.
The new Colossus Hitler in that game is as like a really fun character,
that is, they do a great thing himself. Yeah exactly, but
no, we're all right. Villain Mack says me altered in answer. Psychomantis
best Spotify Gimmick's best name, best look character. Yeah it's a good name,
good look for sure. Tokyo Game Life says DJ Octavio Platoon, Yes
exactly. Jad o' lantern says, played Final Fantasy seven remake for the first
time this year and now I love one winged Angel fair enough. Yeah,
that can happen. Bench jac says the added villain for Persona five Royal is
easily the best villain of all time. He's extremely well written and you feel
for him and why he's doing what he's doing. That. I actually never
played Royal. I only beat base percent of five, so I'm not even
sure that is real. Quick. We've phrased it that way because it actually
is like, uh, the spoiler of the giant plot twistl the game,
but those who know no, So the way we phrased it that way,
I appreciate that. Uh inu fay says Albert Wesker from resident Evil Umbrella Corp
Should be considered since corporations are people's pretty clever h douminal crossing Eric Eric Sparrow
from Tony Hawk's Underground. Never, never in my life have I felt so
satisfied getting revenge on a fictional character, without question, what of the douchiest
characters ever conceived? Audible mention to Metroid Prime slash Dark Samus though, Yeah,
man, what Eric Sparrow on the list? Okay, I like that
a lot, good one. That's a really good pull. I mean put
that on. Yeah, I don't know there's a character I hated Warley?
Yeah, fuck that you wanted about Rushmore? Yeah that was absurd. Evo
Jana says, this villain teaches kids how to nickel and dime the masses,
which clearly makes him the most evil tom Nook, Well, wait second,
this is a villain and then you're saying capitalism is bad. Yeah, we
don't have that on this show. Velocity Prime says, the fact that a
doofy clown is perhaps the greatest antagonist in RPG history is quite remarkable. So
Kefka gets my vote. Yeah, it's definitely gonna have a strong chance.
Behind this list Wong Gifts is Lara Krafft from her early days exterminating endangered animals
and stealing artifacts from indigenous cultures to her role in the Reboot trilogy, where
her primary role is to be a dick to Jonah is the most insidious of
all villains. If you're hot in British you get a pass though. Yeah,
that's how that's how it works in real life. It sounded like the
rules. Yeah, that's just that it is everybody, Taniel is pointing to.
I believe yes s Sa Sa Su Yes six. Nothing has made me
quite as tense as the Sax encounters in Metroid Fusion. Yeah. Man,
that's a good one. Mex says, Show Minimum Mini Moto Minimum Moto from
the World ends with you for being a pretty anime boy who throws heaps of
garbage at you in a boss fight, all while yelling mathematical terms and equations
into a megaphone. I did like that guy. That was a good That
was a good villain. Lenny Cool Dick Denver says most people hate Jeff Jarrett
because of his booking in TNA. I hate Jeff Jarrett because of that shitty
TNA game on we my friends that me and my friends played man Vision fourty.
Now you attack my best friend Jeff Jarrett like this, though, that's
right, they were, They're very close. Vision forty says Lacky. The
good answer, my funny one is Dimitri, the French iguana that serves as
the boss of the first World in Sly Cooper two. He's goofy at hell
and him calling Sly raccoonist Dudis gets a laugh out of me every time,
uh, doctor Ryan says and out of the box take. The best villain
of all time is Joel from the Last of Us. As much as I
like him and can empathize with his story, he is still the epitome of
a villain. Joel is selfish and only cares about himself at the end of
the day, and a true villain always sees himself as the hero of historian
has endless justifications for his actions. He's the best villain because everyone forgot he
was one. Yeah, how do you feel about these ones where it's like
you're playing as the villain again? I mean, I don't know, like
I get that argument, I don't know if I completely buy it. Sure
villain, you know, protagonist villain you know, it's a it's a weird
moral choice that he has, right. The problem is like his dilemma is
such a complex one that it's hard to be like you are a like classic
villain in that sense. It I get it, uh for from Terioki Blues
gaunter O Dim from The Witcher three is one of the best modern villain villains.
Friendly yet terrifying, creepy yet charming. You can never quite get enough
again get quite a grasp of his true intentions, and he steals the show
whenever he is on screen. Let's see big Tony mentions Gannendorf. There you
go, Drachi says. The Akusa series is chock full of great villains to
choose from. My favorite is Kuz from Zero, an absolute bastard from the
beginning of that game to the end. That's what I want to play.
That's one people tell me I should be use the Accusa Zero is the one
to play. Laser Wolf says doctor Nefarius from Ratchet and Claike. He's the
perfect perfect goofy, cartoonish villain that tries over and over to get the best
of our hero. Yeah. He's like the best interpretation of like a ninety
like an early nineties kids cartoon villain, and I love that about him absolutely.
Show Ji Koto says, if this is a mount Rushmore, I feel
like the top villain would be a pretty solid luck. That said, I'd
like to just give a shout out to Oz from Far Cry three. He's
definitely one of the reasons I think three is considered a high point in the
series and one of the more memorable villains in the past decade or so.
Let's see so much. It feels like every villain of Farcrest basically just been
that. Yes, they feel like they have to just replicate that each time.
Spoon Having sixty four says it's animal crossings, animal crossings, Robbert Baron
raccoon for me, Tom Nook hallo Eden says Kwan Chi, which I love,
I love like, I like Quan Chi a lot, I love I
love this stupid ass. Yeah, man, look at this freak boy.
Sarah Kaine says, Emmitt selch and Final Fantasy fourteen is this is the one
ever said? Okay, this is the best character in finn famous character.
Yes, I agree about fourteen. Final Fantasy right now? Okay, all
fine, Finals, that's okay. Yes, And let me be clear here,
I like Immit Selch. Is that? How am I saying there?
Emmit Selk as a villain? I'm not one of those. Actually, imm
It Selk was totally justified in doing multiple genocide weirdos. Yeah, that's true.
No, he was the villain. Man. It's a good character.
Multiple genocides, all right, I mean I could be my only I mean,
yeah, my only shoes, like because he's because he is from the
third expansion, like you are going to be a final Fantasy fourteen. Pretty
big fan to know who that is, right it? But god, it's
a good character. I probably have to give some lip service to him,
Okay. Matt Raremunky says, since Magimo was already mentioned, mister X from
Streets of Rage two the only man with a gun? That's I mean,
yeah, I like the character. I like to dre shoe there. Just
really isn't that much from mister X. It's just the final boss. Low
Rule says, insert one winged angel chorus here. T money Og says,
Oh man, fowful, the mustard of your doom, fawful, godawful.
Do you think they over did Fofful after the first one? We had one
million percent. Yes, absolutely, like yeah, yeah, every every time
they went back to the Well and Faughful, it was definitely like, oh
hey people love fafful, just cram them back into this game, which,
hey, I'm not really complaining, but if you're actually if they overdid it,
you're yes, you're right, that's exactly what it was. But it
was great. I get one's still fun. I still like seeing him.
Redfish says, tell me, doctor Freeman, if you can, you have
destroyed so much, what is it exactly that you have created? Can you
name me the one thing? I thought, not Jeff, the first time
I played Halfway two, I thought that was the coolest bad guy quote ever.
That was like, you know, people freak got about like the things
the Joker says. I was like, that was amazing. Oh my god,
Super Harman says Adrian Ripberger probably isn't to most of isn't the most memorable
villain voiced by Mark Hamill. But the guy does bludgeon his boss to death,
which is pretty brutal. Rip Burger, that's a great name. He's
the bad guy from Full Throw. It was a couple other great Lucas arts
at Ventrigan villains I like Purple Tentacle quite a bit. From the Tentacle,
Let's chuck will probably wrap all of them, though, ge Gus, this
is from a crouching Kringle hitting Crampis. Gigas is incomprehensible at best and Eldridge
at worst. I don't even know what the purpose for its existence is.
I don't even know what I could say other than it's actually extremely terrifying for
a Super Nintendo villain. Uh. Yeah, that's that's that's messed up.
I'm looking at this images. If that's what the boss fight looks like,
that's wild. Uh. Doctor Lynch says Turbo Shan. I think that's worth
considering. Did did I kill you in Halo today or something? Doctor screaming
Madden is gonna Kazuya or I can't remember the name of the death believe he
Hachi, There we go, Hey Hachi, that's a good that's a good
fighting game villain right there for sure. Uh. And then Turbo Shan says
Giovanni or in are the correct Pokemon answers, but shout out to Lucimnelimine.
Lucimine from Sun and Lumine. It's a Lucimine from the Sun in That Moon.
She's the best kind of hero of her own story, only the antagonist
to the player character because of difference of ideals, going to extreme links to
advance science and save her family. Also, she's literally mommy there she is
everybody take a look. Spooky Christian God from Persona from the Persona series and
Real Life, or the end Singer from Final Fantasy fourteen. If a fourteen
that's once could be myself. All right, we definitely have enough to work
with here now, Jeff, I believe, yes, we do. Okay,
So I'm gonna expand this for myself. It's probably gonna mess things up
a little bit real, but that's fine. There we go, Okay.
I like most of the people, most of the characters on this list.
I wonder if there's like a consensus number one. It seems like that might
be tough. But what are you feeling? Probably just Bowser. I'm okay
with that. I think that's right. Yeah, this is like I said,
very Bowser could be so many things and always feels right right. Actually,
oh, I can't believe they did not With Bowser, it's always good
and he's definitely been You're right, he's been like, you know, not
actually scary, but like intimidating. And then he's definitely been the funniest character
on this list, which I think is pretty a cool thing that that a
villain can have that kind of range. Uh yeah, just so for for
the rest of this list, I mean, god, there's so much to
pick from. I guess maybe should we just decide what's going to be in
the top ten? Do you want to like move one up? Yeah?
Sure, we can even like you can even try to do it in order,
Like, what do you think number two will be? So let's say,
you know, we can adjust later. I mean I think I say
what I think number two should be? All right, yeah, go ahead,
I think you'll agree. So uh Ridley, Yeah, I love I
love that. Yes, I love Ridley. There we go. Okay,
so we have Bowser and then Ridley. I I personally would put Dracula up
there a number three, but I'm gonna be I'm gonna be okay if directly
just mix the top ten mic if that's yeah, he's gonna make the top
ten. So you can go ahead and put them at number three at least.
Okay, we'll just think that's fine for now. Okay, it's good.
Let me see that whole short list again. Okay, I see,
yeah, are you here? Let me try to see if I can know
little delay for me. I hmm, I would at this point probably say
kef Cut. Actually, yeah, that sounds right to me as well.
Actually, that looks so far that list looks really correct, And that looks
like the Mount Rushmore right there by the way probably would have been that.
Might that would have probably been it, That would have been the Mount Rushmore.
Uh, maybe Ganandorf would have been up there. I don't know,
we probably yeah, might have might have had ult Yeah, that's probably right.
But I'm glad what we have right now. So I mean, does
that mean Ganadorf should get up? Go up now? Yeah? Okay,
so right now everybody, we have Bowser, then Ridley, Dracula, kef
Cut, and Ganadorf. Those aren't locked into position or anything yet, but
that's what we have so far. Should we start, uh spreading our wings
a little bit here, maybe do some off the off the winning definitely?
Yeah, because like I definitely have a couple of favorites. Yeah, what
are your favorites? Yeah, let me we give one of mine. Uh,
doctor Wywie. That sounds good. Let's do that. I Man,
there's a couple that I think would be fun to get up there, but
I would probably put chau Khan up next. Yeah, I like it.
I like chau Kan a whole ton of a lot. All right, we
got we have three spots left, Mike, Uh yeah, real, consolidate
this real quick. I definitely do want the Chuck in there. Okay,
that sounds good to me. I I'm like between like King k Rule,
Doctor robot Nick, and I don't know, maybe those two. Maybe That's
where I'm at right now, all about liquid though, I'm fine with Liquid
going up there. If Yeah, I mean, I've just put a bunch
of Like, which one do you feel strongest about? Well, of these,
I think I feel strongest about King k Role. I just love his
design, cool character. Yeah, and like more of a straight villain.
DDD is often not a villain. Oh you said you put up a bunch,
I just put up Kan. You put up with Chucks. Oh that
one time somebody yowted at me for supposedly taking over, and I've been self
conscious ever since. I'm like, my favorites are up on the list now,
So I think you should get Liquid Snake up there. Well, let
me take a look. Let me see who, because who who is a
part of me that wants to get Eric Sparrow on there at number ten?
Oh? Actually, can we do that? Yeah? I mean I love
the Fairius, I love Liquid Snake. Yeah, and Armstrong. Well,
I mean let's put sparrows. Let's see. Yeah, if we need to
swap it, Pharaoh should be number okay, yeah, number ten? Right?
Yeah, okay, all right, cool, okay, Jeff me asking,
are we just putting gandor up there because we think we should be,
or do we really like that character a lot? I really like the moments
from Okery of Time a lot. Beyond that, I don't think about him
too much. I think that Let me try to think, how did I
feel about him in Tears of the Kingdom? No, uh, I don't.
Would you rather have Liquid Sneak than Gannandorf? I mean me personally know?
But I'm okay with that. Yeah, I'm definitely okay with that because
yeah, I'm not like carrying a torture Ganandorff Personally, I could go either
way. Like, I don't feel that strongly about it. I was just
like I do. Like, let's say, like, which one do you
feel worse about not being on there? Between those two? It's I I
just so alve them that's not on there, of all of them that I
don't know, let me look here because there one you want to try to
like rub that Robonic being on there's a little sad but whatever. Yeah,
doctor Robonic is probably the answer for me, and it's not that strong.
Well, maybe Darth Malick. I like a lot. I feel like Darth
Malick. Man, that's pretty good. I'm like if we would to move
King k Rule down because I'm just like, I like the way he looks.
That's where I'm out with. Maybe Karol's good. Kingkarol's good, but
I don't know if he needs to dark out there is more interesting. Yeah,
I agree, that's Darth Malick. Okay, that feels right. Okay,
So, uh is is there a place where Liquid Snake gets on now,
Mike, I now I am actually I am good with my with my
think. It's just yeah, I think he just doesn't make it unfortunately.
I mean he'd be like eleven for me. Yes, in some ways he
would be on there above Eric Sparrow. Sorry, that's like I like Eric
Sparrow. Okay, a lot. Here's what. Here are the ten games
we have up there are ten villains we have up there now, Bowser,
Ridley, Dracula, Kafka, Gannendorf, Doctor Wiley, Shaukantt, Chuck,
Darth Malick, and Eric Sparrow. You want to rearrange anything, Mostly with
the top four, I'm really good with. Beyond that, I don't know.
Should I put a Dracula quote, Caslvania or simply a night or what
I think people understand? Okay, just Castlevane, drag It's fine. Okay,
that's fine. No, I think we're good. Okay, all right,
So then yeah, once again the final list, and I'll go from
ten to one this time Eric Sparrow at number ten, Darth Malick, La
Chuck, Shao Khan, doctor why we Gan Indoor, Kafka, Dracula,
Ridley, and number one is Bowser. I think that looks real good.
It's fine, all right, we did it. We've succeeded here. Well
done, all right, I'll uh, I'll tweet that out, we'll get
yelled at, and that will be that. Hey, Mike, what games
have you been playing? Unless you have to go potty or anything. Let
me good, let's just do it. Yeah, you want to get you
said you want to do a short up. So we're getting close to two
hours, so yeah, yeah, yeah, well we're bad at this one
second. It's going to be a break right now, and now we're back.
Thank you? All right? Cool? So yeah, then, Mike,
what have you been playing? I know you've been trying Spider Man stuff.
Can't start Spider Man two? Finally just playing an hour. It's exactly
what I said what happened were for some reason, I like, wasn't getting
a game even though I loved Spider Man and mas Morales like yeah, once
I'm playing, I'm like, oh yeah, Spider Man's cool. I like
this. I'm like, oh, sand Man, I even forget not only
do I forget that I like how these games are. I forget that I
like Spider Man. I don't know that happens every time, because you know,
I love Spider Man, like the original comic runs, you know,
the first two Raimy movies and all that stuff, and then since then there's
there's not a whole lot that scratches that specific Spider Man. It's like I
like the the newer Marvel movies fine, but they're very much their own thing
in a way. There is something about this take on Spider Man that is
modern but still has a closer tie to the classics for me that I like
a lot. Still controls really well. The world is massive, It is
just a lot of fun to swing around. Yeah. I'm having a great
time with them. You've beaten it, you have more to say to me.
The one thing that you know. I don't want to get too caught
up on it forever, and I'm starting to get over it. But it
was distracting at first. I still think it's really weird that they just changed
Peter Parker. It was a wrong move. It was the wrong move.
I don't know why. I get why they think they needed to do it,
but it was the wrong move. Yes, yeah, I really love
that game. I have personally settled on it for like the giant Bomb scale,
I would give it a five out of five, and a big part
of that is like I would really love to go back and just keep playing
it and one hundred percent, And I think I might actually do that if
I get a little bit of time here, because I don't think it would
take all that long. I think that you know, it's its strengths are
in a place to them are. It didn't try it doesn't try to overwhelm
you with Matt Barf. It has meaningful side stuff to do, and then
the characterization is mostly pretty good. I don't think the story is quite as
high as the first one. I think that the game's combat is is very
good and very fun, and you get in the flow of things, and
then there's a bit too much of it or it's a bit too savy by
the end, just just by a little bit a small smidge too much game,
I know, right, And that's the liance a while. But and
then the story itself, it does frequently do the stop and talk and it
takes different forms in this game, so that's I think that's to its benefit,
where it's like in this one, you actually are you're gonna be Mary
Jane, but now she's got a fucking cool pistol kind of thing, and
so they make that a little bit more fun. It's still not great.
You're still not swinging around because like that was like one of the biggest complaints
of the first one. Is interesting that instead of just not doing it,
like no we're gonna make it better. Yes, that's admirable. Maybe the
path of least Resistance may have been the better one here, right. I
think they are compelled by the idea of, hey, Mary Jane is a
part of this story, sure, and she's not. We don't want to
damsel her, so we're gonna have her give her own agency. I think
they're compelled by that, and I think that's also admirable. But when I'm
playing, I'm not having as much fun. And that's just the truth.
And and it doesn't there's not a ton of that. But that's like one
of these walk and talk sort of things or something equivalent. Basically, that's
my way of saying any time I'm not being Spider Man and not being Spider
Man in the open world, which is where the game is actually at its
best, and it does it very frequently throughout the story, where you are
doing something that is not swinging around a Spider Man. That's to the point
where Dan stopped playing, right. Dan was like, Well, they're gonna
keep doing this, I'm gonna be done. I'm just gonna play in the
open world and do that stuff instead. I got through it. I don't
think it really, it's super detrimental to it. They just do it a
bit too much by the end. Those are the small nitpicks here. Beyond
that, I just I'm so into what they're doing with Spider Man. I
think I'm so excited about what they are setting up for a sequel. I'm
like, give me that stuff, Let's go right into it. And a
big part of that is like just the characters they built up in this thing
and how that's gonna how I know they're gonna be affected by what happened here
and now how are they going to deal with that in the next game.
That stuff is so strong that, yeah, I'm very into it, and
you're like early on to the point where it's just gonna keep getting better for
the next several hours. I was I remember when I was talking to you
about this game originally before the Argo, and I was like, uh,
I'm definitely I definitely didn't love the intro, and then like I'm liking this
game, and now I'm like, I love this. This is so much
fun. You have all that to look forward to, so it's gonna should
be pretty good for it. I think, you know, I did like
the intro, but you know, I'm you know me, I'm a I'm
a chartered fan. I'm okay with some heavily scripted events. They're just sort
of big and loud. I think that stuff can be fun and has its
place still, and it ate does a good job of being that. Yeah,
I think, Uh, I think I just got annoying. One was
like, man, I'm just the Sandman's out there and I'm stuck in this
building fighting a bunch of little Sandman's and it's just I don't know, and
it didn't work for me. But again, it wasn't It wasn't bad.
It just wasn't clicking as much as I wanted it to. Yeah, really
good game. Do you like craving in it? They'll just give me because
you know you guys laughed to me a little bit when I was like,
I'm a big Craven the Hunter fan. Is Craven like cool in this?
Oh I'm a Craven the Hunter fan? Now? Oh? Oh yeah,
I think he's and he's he's very good. They use it. You know,
he looks exactly like fucking is it Elias Elish from w w E Elias
Elias, Thank you Eli. He looks exactly I'm like, what's a real
name. I know, I knew what I was saying it. It was
wrong, like very wrong. But that's just where my brain's at tonight.
Elias, Ellie, Elias, Why can I say it? I don't think
I'm dying. That's what's happening. That you were pretty close. He looks
exactly like him, though. But the character is good, it's it's really
good. They use him to bring in all these other like B, C
and D tier Spider Man villains, me too, and it's it's really well
done. They don't have to like manufacture all these stupid reasons that Spider Man
has interacting with these characters. Craven can be that reason and then Craven is
always this threat looming. Uh And yeah, it's it's good stuff and it's
it helps make sure, it helps elongate the story. They do a good
job of like giving him strong beats and they don't overstay their welcome with that
stuff or anything like that. So yeah, I'm super into Craven. Craven's
really cool, actually cool. Well, we're all gonna get some chance to
play more of that soon. We got Mario, Like when does Mario wonder
availabil Like is that a leven usually? And I think it's a little bit
later than that. Actually, it might be like one AM for us.
Uh, it's okay, I hope it's not like three AM. I can't
ever remember, but I guess. I guess we'll see. We'll see when
it actually unlocks, and if it's not till tomorrow when I play it,
oh well, but I would like to play some of it tonight if possible.
Yeah, that's that's that's me. I'm kind of just waiting for for
Mario Wonder now. Been playing more Sonic Superstars. I mostly don't like that
game. It's kind of how I feel now, and the bosses are a
big part of it. There was some of the levels where I think we
mentioned he that the Press Zone. What is it called press? Uh?
Well, so this one's called hard Press. I don't know this, Like
so maybe I had a level called Press Garden, which was a really cool
level that kind of combined a printing press with the garden and then this like
a manufacturing plant or something normally like manufacturing plants. Yet, yeah, I
don't know. I like some of the levels. There's a snow level.
I got excited about that. Yeah, there's like that one and I forget
its call. It was like the cyber level and that's kind of fun,
has some voxels boxes involved. There was I guess it's a spoiler. There's
one level that was just suddenly a very random retro Sega game, and I
liked that. Yeah, it was like the way it's like retro is like,
hey, video games used to be tron like this is oh okay,
okay, never mind. Then maybe maybe I haven't seen it yet or whatever.
We'll see out we get off line. Okay, cool, all right,
I think that's gonna do it. Mike wanted to te people where they
could find you a few more super chests hit that yes, please, yes,
from let's see, Yeah, we had a few more. That's right.
So Rocha says Mike, I made you a new Giant Barn song.
Please forgive me. It's awful. Okay to check that out. Thank you
so much to Racha. Very fun. Sgearm Medo says, as Mario's pop,
I can confirm that the Super Mario Brothers Wonder Game for the Time to
Switch Family Systems is not a core Mario game. Well, apparently you also
thought Thatsh's Island was so you just don't know you're talking. Yeah, you're
losing it and dad, Grandpa, whyt you just get back in bed please?
Oh, grug says Dan is in ele Noir. Put him on the
list, Like, who is Dan in Elenoir? I know he's in ele
Noir? I think, yeah, that's right, random, Yes, yes,
don't Can you talk to him? No? I think he's just yeah,
okay, can you kill well? Listen if you if you know what
you're going. Definitely the way I think he worked, hour, said Peter.
After the cutscene, Shiamiro says maybe humans are the real villains. Last
of Us ten, Derek says, I know this isn't a super popular game
series, but mister Jefferson from the first Life is Strange game is easily one
the scariest speaking villain's never played. I'm gonna be honest, I think ever
will. But yeah, I was more curious about the follow up Life of
Strange games, and then I'm like, well, I'm gonna play those without
playing the first ones, and I'm not going to do that properly. X
course is how is no one said in Bison yet we did? But sorry?
Yeah, Matt Raremunkey says, show Dan has to be on the list.
I want to play more system Shock and the system Shock two remester is
coming, and like, I'm kind of excited for that, so yeah,
me too. The Wolf says, I'm studying to be a writer and I'm
happy to learn from you all that instead of creating interesting deep villains, I
should make silly goober's instead. You're welcome. Yeah, that's true. You
should think, I mean, think about the most memorable ones at least from
video games, movies to a little bit. Darth Vader's kind of a googer.
Yeah, like Darth. Yeah, what is like a deep villain?
People will be like the Joker from The Joker. Yeah, that what you
want. I think it's very easy if you try to write a deep villain
that you're going to end up with a Joker from The Joker. Yes,
yeah, obviously have fun with your characters. Make your either you know,
do that or just don't write like a villain. So you write an opposing
character who isn't you know, in that mold and it's fine. All right,
that's a super check. Take you so much, everybody. Thanks for
listening. Everybody. We're gonna get out of here and we're gonna hit the
song right now. And that's let's try one more time. Mike. Where
can people find you on the internet? Oh? Twitter, whatever it is?
You know? Tolkoto Twitch, tolkoto be Twitch has been doing. It's
been fun lately. A lot of you've been watching. So we'll do some
stuff this week. I've been playing a lot of Resuvol two for the game
Club. I beat Leon's campaign. I'm into players now. Hey, that's
a pretty good game too, These Resident Nable games, they sure are good
turns out. Yep, it looks like that's the way it's always been.
Uh, anything else, anything else you want to promote or anything like that.
I guess quarter new half episode for nineties Disney about our favorite original Park
characters kind of the thing. So that's you be going up tomorrow today.
Very cool. A lot of you have been checking out nineties Disney from here
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the episodes on there as well. Let's see tomorrow on Giant Bomb, I
am going to be doing UPF with the boys. We're going to be playing
some uh Spider Man two at least Spider Man two at some point, and
then a lot of Mario Wonder. That's the plan, so looking forward to
that. And then for both those games, like that won't be the only
content for those games on the site. We will have more to do with
both of them, probably next week exactly, and we might find a way
to race in Spider Man. So there's there's plenty to happen with that stuff.
So looking forward to it. Yes, any any like big plans this
weekend or is it just the gaming we can play the what I want to
do. Yeah, I think we're supposed to like a haunted house or something,
but I want to play times. We'll see bye everybody. So next
time, let's go, my naughty man. We are on the break.
Shut a penny A big Grounded fan. I remember even I remember Jeff talking
about this back then. Grounded did do decent numbers. I just found the
xbox Y Raticle apparently over ten million players. So yeah, but like I
don't I know, but the game passed like no, Like that's why no
games like that are big. It's like I don't know your thieves, like
see a thieves does really want the casuals because like I, my friends have
like coworkers like each other, different jobs. That's what I'm saying. Though,
It's it's like I see it these where like people they're getting at a
game passing like I look, I agree, it's popular, like t million
players. We can't do this thing where you just keep saying the numbers are
at its height, had fifteen million active players and subscribers, and that's people
paid the different It's a comparison I understand. I understand. Yeah, I
the players for Xbox because it's like if someone tries it in game pass once
and then never tries it again, that counts as a player, right,
So and that's why I'm trying to get across. So it is a lot
of people just checking it out. So yeah, got into a lot of
people's hands. Yeah, but he is not nearly as impressive as songing like
that where people are paying or anything. On top of this, Well,
what was the Microsoft game recently that they were like, hey, if this
game doesn't get a certain level of players, certain level of monthly active users,
we're gonna have to like stop and putting money into it. There was
something recently. I can't remember that publicly, it's get going feeling at him.
I think it was that was data that came out of the weeks I
think, okay, yeah, sorry, I think it follow seventy six.
Thank you, Christopher k Yes, it was followed seventy six. So I
knew they have this high bar for keeping these games alive. So I don't
imagine Grinded still going that it must happen. It must be some certain level
of monthly active users. I would love to play grounded. Actually we may
maybe we should do that. I guess that game has the same grass as
Grabbed by the ghoolies. I don't know. It's make such a snob am.
I right, guys, let's let's bring it back. Let's bring it
back. All right, let's do this really quick. This this is some
let me do a break it break it's me. It's a break. It's
a brocket. It's a teako bracket. And we should get mic the audition
from Mario. Yeah, yes, on, you didn't reach out. Yeah,
they can send me recording booth of my jail. So it's fine,
Mike, Mike, Mike, man, that one drives me insane. O.
Good, at least put the yellow one on there. That I hate
that yellow. How do I delete things? Yeah, girl removes that and
then privileges. Al right, there we go. All I'm gonna bring us
back in Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I just fixed
this real quick. Mm hmmmm hmmm. He on the this is the least
flattering picture of Dan. Yeah, it looks like that guy who played Bucky
or the Winter Soldier is like unemployed younger brother. Oh that took a left
turn. I was expecting man, Okay, like I said it. Okay,
Bailey just tweeted that player too like shirt from the Time the World with
Luigi and caught it a cuck shirt. I'm gonna say, haha, but
could you get me one good? I'm dead. I can't like no boys
were supposed to get like the player one and the player too bad. You
just walk her up only the player Okay, let's let's bring it back.
Am I good to kill? Actually? Yes, let me actually fix that
real quick. You're good to go. Okay, I'm ready. There we
go. Sorry, let's lookt to it. It's okay, Brown, I'm
going to bring it back after after I fixed this. There we go,
and then okay, bring it back right now,