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Get some facts and come back and
seebe. Get some facts and come back

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and seebe. Don't fill out salaries
or other things. Get some facts and

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come back and Seebee. You can't
handle the true now told our players you

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need a bit more like a dog. We don't need a bunch of cats

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in here. Looking in the mirror, I look good. I got my

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extra bands on, I got my
other shoes. Be a doll. We

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don't need no mouns. We don't
need no cats. We need more dogs.

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W a detain. Oh you're not
a deday. We weren't good.

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There's no sense of asking me things
about the game. I'm telling you.

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We laid an egg. So I'm
not gonna break it down for you.

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He sucks. He sucked. He
laid an egg. That's all I have

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to say. Guys, I'm sorry. I'm not going to break it down

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for you. Nothing went well for
us. It's on us. We have

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to figure it out. And we
went eight yodad, Yes it is.

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It is showtime, the final hour
of X's and Ros on this Tuesday again,

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our thanks to Day Riquette of the
Detroit Free Press, Fucking Lions draft

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the NFL in general, he joined
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us here on a Tuesday morning.
If you missed what took place over the

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Tigers and Cardinals will play a double
dip today because ring got in the way

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yesterday. Florida blow out Tampas six
one. Dallas over Vegas four to two.

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Florida moves on. The Stars and
Knights are deadlocked at two wins a

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piece. Boston beat Miami. They're
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the Lakers. The Lakers are done. OKC brooms New Orleans second sweep of

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the NBA playoffs. The other was
Minnesota over Phoenix, and then you saw

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what happened with Phoenix right another disappointing
season for them. Kevin Durant upset.

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Here's a report. Sources briefed on
the matter told The Athletic that Durant never

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felt comfortable with his role in Phoenix's
offense alongside Booker and Beale this year.

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Those sources said Durant had persistent issues
with the offense, feeling that he was

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being relegated to the corner far too
often and not having the proper designs to

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play his strengths as an offense built
around pick and rolls. Here's my question,

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why does it take this long for
something like this to come out?

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The reason these things come out,
folks, is because certain people want them

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out. In this case, it
might be the player, or it might

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be the organization trying to distance themselves
from the player. But either way,

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somebody makes it known that the reason
that they were swept, the reason they

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had another disappointing season. Kevin Durant
is not happy. Here we go again.

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It's always something, isn't it refreshing? Once in a while when you

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finally hear an athlete or an organization
say, hey, man, it's on

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me like a hero. Vetchkin,
the Washington Capitol Star, was really good.

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He was terrible in the playoffs,
but he was really good afterwards.

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He didn't have a point in the
playoffs. And when people said what happened

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against the Rangers, what did he
say? I wasn't good enough. I've

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got to be better, instead of
pointing fingers, instead of making the excuses,

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you don't want to hear it.
One of the best lines I ever

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heard from one of the bosses I
worked for. He said, own your

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own blank. Reminds what kind of
sounds like pitts. Own your own blank.

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Don't make excuses. It's on you. Kevin Durant, it's on him.

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Hey, think of this before something
like that gets out. He did

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take the most corner threes in his
career. He took sixty eight of them.

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Does that seem like a lot to
you? Before this year he averaged

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about twenty three. Remember he is
older, he does have different weapons around

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him. You do have to play
to more than one player's strength. Would

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you suggest that he's the best player
on their team. I wouldn't. I

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think it's Devin Booker. Kevin Durant's
a Hall of Fame player, but just

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because he's a Hall of Fame player
doesn't mean he's right at everything. I

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think Phoenix he really got hurt on
the Grayson Allen injury. But it just

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gets so old when you hear stuff
like this disgruntled blame game, same stuff.

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It's crazy. It really is our
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the worst and best grade, just coming

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off of what we were talking about
with Dave brikettit the Free Press who joined

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us here on Ex's and Bros.
A little bit ago, some of the

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best and worst grades. You know, you go through. This is what

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football brings you, and it's pretty
cool. You get as soon as the

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super Bowl is over, and maybe
even in some cases before the super Bowl

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is over, you're getting mock draft
after mock draft after mock draft, which

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look, sports Radio is lives on
that stuff. To me, it gets

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a little old. It's constantly changing. You're getting a mock draft, and

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then you go to the combine and
then you get in another mock draft,

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and then you're noticing some signings and
then you're getting another mock draft. I

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mean, it's it's constant, but
you got to fill space. Sports radio's

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gotta fill time, and people like
it, so it's okay, it's cool.

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But right after the draft you get
all the breakdowns. I mean you

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get breakdowns for every pick, you
get breakdowns for every round, and you

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get breakdowns for every team great,
giving teams great. It's really hard to

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do. It's almost it's it's borderline
ridiculous because you don't know what these players

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are going to do. You don't
know how good they're going to be.

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So, for example, one writer
gave the Falcons a C minus. Why

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do you think what Dave and I
were just talking about it's Michael Pennix.

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How do you know? Like they
said that was the worst pick? It

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was a surprise pick? Was it
the worst pick? What if he turns

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out to be a Pro Bowl quarterback? A multi I'm not saying he is,

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I'm just saying what if? How
do you know? You don't So

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you read this stuff and you're like, Okay, this is what this guy

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thinks. Great, so on and
so fourth for what it's worth. That's

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key for what it's worth. CBS
Sports gave the Lions a B. They

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thought the best pick was Si Vaki. Why because this writer had him,

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as you know, before the draft, on his better than team. This

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guy's better than his team. He's
better than you think he is. He's

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better than most people have him projected. So in order to support what I

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originally thought, I've got to at
least bring that up. You think that

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was their best pick, that's when
you should stop reading. You should stop

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reading the or I should have stopped
reading the article as soon as this guy

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wrote. The best pick the Lions
had was their fourth round pick, safety

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running back Vaki No. No.
The best pick was Terry on Arnold.

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He's going to be an immediate starter
and is expected to make a massive impact

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because of all the things that Daybreak
had just brought up, his strength,

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his filling of a need, and
his desire to wear a Hall of Fame

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gold jacket. Someday. That's the
best pick, not the pick that you

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originally thought was a guy who was
on your better than team before you started

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We were just talking before the break
about the various draft grades. I

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don't know how you could give the
Lions anything less than ab Here's the reason

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I say that, neither you nor
I. Now I know lot A lot

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of these people have great experience in
watching a lot of film. I don't

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know many people who had anything on
Giovanni Manu. He's that mountain of a

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man from British Columbia. You take
a running back slash safety in the fourth

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round, one hundred and thirty second
pick overall, Sioni Vaki. This isn't

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baseball, man. I mean,
I don't want a guy who's versatile and

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it's not alignment. Guy's either a
running back or a safety. My hope

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is that he's safety. I don't
think they need a running back. I

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do like the Wingo pick from the
inside. I'm not going to have claimed

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it to have watched Christian Mahogany.
I haven't. So there's three guys on

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the draft, three of the six
half the draft I truly know, and

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I think can be contributors this coming
season. That works for me. So

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giving them anything less than to be
would be a little surprising. I think

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I think there are certain teams and
said I said this after day one.

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This is not me talking armchair quarterback
Day one. I liked what the Pittsburgh

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Steelers did, Absolutely love it.
Fatano was one of my favorite players.

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Zach Frazier one of my favorite players. And yes, I'm not afraid to

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admit it. I've said it for
as long as I've done this show.

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For two decades. I've said you
build from the inside out in football.

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I like Liman. I think they're
so important. Doesn't mean i'd take them

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at the top five pick. I'm
just telling you I think they're really really

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important, and I think too many
times we just watch where the ball goes.

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We just want the skill guys.
Offensive lineman is a skill too.

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So I love Fatanu, I love
Zach Frasier, love Peyton Wilson. He's

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the linebacker at NC State. The
problem there is he gets injured quite a

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bit. He was a third round
pick after they chose Roman Wilson. I

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think they hit four home runs.
And if you're afraid of Wilson Peyton Wilson

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being injured, okay, then call
it a triple. Even if it's a

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double. I think you got three
home runs at a double. If you

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want to look at it from that
standpoint. That's why I would give them

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an a phone numbers eight six six, eight three, eight forty eight forty

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three. Let's go to the phone
lines, the Meyer hot Line. Who's

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up next, Ben? Yeah,
we got Robin Rockford? Nice, the

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Rockford Rams? Hi Rob, How
you doing good? Matt? How you

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doing good? Thanks for the call? Good good and joining the show.

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Yeah, I heard someone complain.
You know, the draft. I've been

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well, I'm sixty six years old, so I've been following the draft since

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the late seventies. And when the
draft first came on nineteen eighty with ESPN,

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I thought I'd died and gone to
heaven. I couldn't believe my You

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know, that was a year they
drafted Billy Simms. But one thing with

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the draft is you I mean,
it has become so over blown and so

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big. It's all it's it's you
know, it's just a life form of

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itself. But one thing I did
like with the lines, I don't mind

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them double dipping at cornerback. You
can't have too many defensive backs. You

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know, we were in a division
where there's nothing but weapons that were going

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up against Green Bay is full of
them. Minnesota, Chicago now is full

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of them. We got to have
defensive backs. And also it's a position

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that has a lot of attrition.
A lot of defensive defensive backs and offensive

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linemen always seemed to get hurt,
so you can't have too many of them.

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So I agree one hundred percent with
you. I mean, you remember

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last year in the playoff game against
Dallas, what was everybody complaining about ceed

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lamb over two hundred yards receiving?
Right? Yeah, so it was absolutely

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a Yeah, it was a position
of need. You're one hundred percent right

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about that. I likened it to
pitching in baseball. You can't have enough

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of it, right, Yeah,
you can't have too much pitching. You

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can't have too many defensive acts.
Right, Amen, appreciate the phone call.

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Great stuff. Look, here's the
deal. Do you believe the NFL

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is a passing league? He said. The first draft he watched was Billy

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Simms, when the Lions took the
Heisman Trophy winner out of Oklahoma. It's

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great stuff. Think about how many
heismand Trophy winners they've had, Billy Simms,

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Steve Owens also from Oklahoma, right, Andre Ware, Oh god,

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Barry Sanders. Then they ended up
having a guy like Ty Detmer. They

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didn't draft him, but they had
him on their team. They've had a

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lot of Heisman Trophy winners on their
team. Billy Simms was unbelievable, folks.

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I promise him, man. I
mean, if it were today and

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he injured his knee, that way
you could get by it because of today's

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technology. Back in the early eighties, he didn't couldn't overcome it. He

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was just an He was so much
fun to watch. It's different than Barry

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God. He could catch out of
the backfield. He was big, he

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was strong, he was fast,
he was awesome. I loved watching Billy

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Simms. Here's a good little story
for you real quick. A few years

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back, more than a few years, probably about six years or so,

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saw him at Ford Field, had
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of the offices. Just sit down, talk with him for a long time.

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You know why he wore number twenty. He's a big baseball fan and

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he loved lou Brock, and lou
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story anyway, Yeah, one hundred
percent regarding the cornerbacks. And the other

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interesting comment he just made was how
it's how the draft has gotten overblown.

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It's gotten so big. I think
everything in sports, but especially the NFL,

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and it's not necessarily a negative thing, has gotten so big, has

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gotten overblown. It has become it's
not just the games that are big any

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longer. It's the discussion. It's
the commentary, it's the film breakdown,

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it's the play breakdown, it's the
press conferences, it's the off season,

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it's everything associated with it. And
here's the real kicker. We don't get

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tired of it. Think of another
sport. Hell, think of another topic.

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Think of something that you just roll
your eyes and say enough is enough.

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Not in football, you don't.
You don't do that with football.

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You don't, at least in this
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I'm not saying the UFL. I
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don't recognize as many players. I
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I think he plays for Birmingham and
they're off to think they're four and

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one or they're five and ohther' At
the midway point of the UFL, you

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might recognize a name or two.
But I'm talking about the NFL. Things

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that are associated with a National Football
League you can't get enough of and I

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don't know what the endgame is with
it. That's the weird thing. Like

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you're gonna go play in Mexico,
You're playing in London, You're playing all

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over the place. Are you creating
You might be creating more football fans?

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Are you creating more football players?
Do you? You never envisioned a time

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when the National Football League and whoever
the next commissioner is, stands at the

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podium in whatever city and says,
with the first pick of the second round,

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the Detroit Lyons select so and so
out of London. No, folks,

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I called NFL Europe for three consecutive
years. I went over to Germany

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and it was mandated where you had
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on their team. Those guys are
so far behind, and people just don't

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gravitate to it over there as much
as obviously we do here. We can't

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get enough of sports here. They
can't get enough of their sport over there.

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I'm not sure how much they want
our sport, but it's great stuff,

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and that was a really good call. We got some texts and we'll

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get to that on the other side
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I know somebody has recently texted and
what do you get right? It's about

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the question from earlier about franchise players. It says, uh, it was

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meant to be only between Osgood or
Joe Dumars. Oh, I'm sorry,

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Yeah, who meant the most to
their franchise. Oh okay, I would

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say Joe Dumars. Chris Osgood was
a third round pick. Not that that's

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a bad thing. I think he
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He's got four hundred and one wins. He's he was a third round pick.

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Mark think about that draft. Marten
LaPoint was drafted the first round for

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the Red Wings that year. That
was nineteen ninety one. That was the

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year Eric Lynn us as number one. That was a really good draft.

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Scott Niedermeyer was in that draft.
Aaron Ward, Peter Forsburg was in that

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draft. Not to compare Aaron Ward
with Scott Niedermeyer and Eric lind Russ and

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Peter Forsburg, but it's just a
name. Brian Ralston was part of it.

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To Pat Peak was drafted by Washington. But people forget that martenella Point

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was the first round pick for Detroit. Their second round pick was Jamie Pusher,

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he was a big defenseman. Then
Chris Osgood and then Mike Knuble out

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of the University of Michigan was drafted. All those guys played in the NHL

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and had find careers. I think
Chris Od's good to Hall of Famer,

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but he was drafted in the third
round. What did he mean to their

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franchise? You know they they went
out and felt like they needed to get

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Mike Vernon for their first Cup.
Dominic kashik as well. Again, you

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know how I feel about about Chris
Osgod. I think he belongs in the

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Hall of Fame. Joe Dumars already
is in the Hall of Fame. Joe

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Dumars was a first round pick of
the Pistons in a draft that back then

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nineteen eighty five had seven rounds,
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Now you have sixty four players taken. Joe Dumar's draft was Patrick Ewing

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and Wayman Tisdale and Ben wib Benjamin
Xavier McDaniel, Detla shremp Charles Oakley,

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guys like that. John Konkak and
Joe Klein were taken ahead and Chris Mullen

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taken ahead of Joe Dumars. Blair
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Keith Lee, Ed Pinkney Kenny Green
were taken ahead of Karl Malone and Joe

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Dumars, who a blob and Bill
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What were we just talking about with
Dave Briquette. You need a little

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luck, don't you? Yes?
A. C. Green was a really

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good player. Terry Porter helped his
team get to an NBA title. Both

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those men were taken after Joe Dumars. But after all the names that we

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just brought up, Karl Malone was
the thirteenth overall pick. Who takes ben

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Wa Benjamin out of Creighton over Karl
Malone? Sometimes you just don't know.

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You know who else the Pistons drafted
that year who turned out to be a

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hell of a player? Spud Web? Yeah, they drafted spud Web in

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the fourth round. Spud Webb went
on to have twelve solid years, mostly

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with Atlanta. Never played for the
Pistons, but he was a fourth round

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pick by Detroit. You know who
else was really good from that draft,

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and I mean really good, played
eleven years, won some championships. Mario

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l Do you remember him? Won
some championships in Houston, played at American

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International College. What. Yeah,
those are good names. And sometimes I

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look at a sports talk show and
I think, what am I learning today?

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Besides a host opinion. What else
can you share with me? What

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do you I picture people? This
is kind of strange, probably, but

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I picture people at an outdoor barbecue
or in a sports conversation and they're they're

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talking with their friends, and the
friends bring up the same names all the

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time of players who are taken later
in drafts who ended up being really good

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players, surprise picks. Did you
know this where a guy finished his career?

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For example, when you're thinking what
Mark Fidrick finished his career in Boston?

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Yes, but what do you always
Tom Brady was a six round draft

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pick? You know Mario Elli,
Not that he comes front and center as

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a Hall of Famer, because he's
not a Hall of Famer. He was

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a seventh round draft pick, but
he played eleven years in the NBA and

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won championships with Houston. And did
you know that Spladweb was a Pistons draft

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pick. That's kind of how I
look at it. But yeah, I

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think a long winded answer, I
think Joe Dumarsy's a Hall of Famer right,

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five time on the all time defensive
Team, one of the greatest Pistons

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in the history of the franchise,
Steady Long career, what was it,

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fourteen years? Fifteen years or so, all with one team, as well

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as a pretty damn good general manager. I know he made some mistakes,

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for sure, absolutely, making certain
draft Find me a general manager who's bat

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in a thousand, You can't Jerry
West was a great general manager? Is

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that fair to say? I mean, this guy's in the Hall of Fame

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as a player, as a general
manager and as a contributor. Right.

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Absolutely, you don't think he made
mistakes, You better believe he did.

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He absolutely did. Some people believe
that he was opposed to drafting certain really

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good players like Magic Johnson, for
example. Some people believe that, remember

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he passed on Zion Williamson two.
So there are there are certain things that

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even the best of who's ever done
it, have made mistakes with. There

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are certain franchises. I think there
are certain franchise franchises I can say it

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that we view as mistake free almost
all. Right, Seriously, there are

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certain we look at them. They
are the they are the white they are

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the blueprint, they are the ultimate. There are plenty of teams, plenty

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of teams who have achieved great success
but missed made big mistakes. I say

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this all the time that the New
England Patriots have been incredible in their success,

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most people, most franchises, and
most fan bases would at one point

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say, you know what, I
really think it's important we kind of model

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ourselves after that. Well, they
made mistakes. They used a first round

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draft pick. I'm a kid by
the name of Nikhil Harry played just three

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seasons in New England, had just
fifty seven picks. So just it's going

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to happen. But I think Joe
Dumars is the answer to it, and

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I think he's I think he did
a hell of a job for the most

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part. Hey, there's a there's
a new contract for mister Travis Kelce out

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there. The Kansas City Chiefs come
to an agreement on a two year extension

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with him, and rightfully so,
one of the best tight ends in the

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history of the sport. It got
me thinking last night when I was reading

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this, and there's a lot of
really good tight end. George Kittle's a

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hell of a tight end, right
Is he as good as Mark Bavarro or

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Dallas Clark or Jy novichk Riley odoms
with the Denver Broncos way back in the

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day, Greg Olsen was a hell
of a player. Ben Coates was good.

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Keith Jackson, I'm telling you,
man, Keith Jackson with Philadelphia back

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in the day, hell of a
player. Todd Christensen hell of a player.

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Right? Is Kelsey a top ten
tight end of all time? Yeah?

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I think he probably is. Whether
you think he's we can always have

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the debate if he's better than Nasie
Newsom or Charlie Sanders or Dave Casper.

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I really like Dave Casper. Shannon
Sharp, right, he's probably involved there.

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Who else would be involved there?
Detroit's own Toyo Gates. I would

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guess Jason Witten, Kellen Winslow,
Rob Grinkowski, guys like that. They

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named a trophy after John Mackie.
So he's got to be involved in the

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conversation somewhere. Tony Gonzalez, for
sure, he could be the best for

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our Bears. Head coach Mike Dick
is probably involved in that too. But

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when reading this article, I'm thinking
to myself, did he change people's perception

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of the value of that position.
I've always felt tight end is really important.

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I think it's a really big position. There are some people who have

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said in the past it's a luxury
position. No, it's not. If

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you think it's a luxury position,
you don't follow the follow the sport of

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football. It's really important. It's
mismatches. Get downfield, underneath coverages,

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create mismatches, Like I said,
with either safeties for size or speed with

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linebackers. Don't tell me that a
guy who has three one thousand yard seasons

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is a luxury position. That's Shannon
Sharp. Don't tell me that a guy

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for a six year span who averaged
eighty catches per year and nine hundred yards

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per season is a luxury pick.
That's Jason Witten, because he's not.

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Don't tell me a guy who had
three straight All Pro seasons in Antonio Gates

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and had nine hundred plus yards in
each of those seasons is luxury. He's

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not. Kellen Winslow had eighty five
rocks in over one thousand yards in three

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straight seasons. You think that's luxury. Rob Gronkowski had four to one yard

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seasons in a five year span with
at least ten touchdowns. Luxury, No

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way, bull crap. Really important. But I do wonder at one point,

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at what point did a player change
his position? Definition slash importance and

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who was it. I love Charlie
Sanders, God rest his soul. I

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was really fortunate I had a chance
to work with him for years. He

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was a third round pick out of
Wyoming, never caught more than fifty passes,

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never reached more than seven hundred yards. That you can't say he changed

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the position because the numbers weren't there
to support it in the sport. Doesn't

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make him any less than anybody else. It just tells you that back then

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they didn't throw the ball that much. They didn't have guys who could throw

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as much, and defenses were different, and so on and so for rules

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were completely different. They didn't throw
that much with Ozzie Knewsome either. Even

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Dave casper As I brought up at
some point, like John Elway used Channon

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Sharp a lot in the mid nineties
and late nineties, Jason Whitten in the

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early two thousands. Kelsey probably made
it even cooler than it was with Gonzales

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and probably Grinkowski. It wasn't John
Mackie phenomenal player, but sorry, in

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the late sixties, they just weren't. And Johnny I a suspending it actually,

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so he actually was thrown quite a
bit, but not like today today.

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I mean, I think there's there
are young kids now playing football who

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don't mind saying, yeah, I'll
be the tight end because you know why,

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because they flexed the tight end a
lot. It's not always just staying

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in and blocking and then oh,
by the way, on third down,

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we might look your way. You're
our third or fourth option. A lot

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of times they're the first option.
Kelsey could be the first. You don't

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think Sam Laporta change people's minds,
absolutely, but it's not like Sam Laporta

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is going to change the position.
Kelsey did it before him. Gonzalez did

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it before Kelsey, Winslow did it
before Gonzales. Somehow, it just,

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you know, kind of evolves a
little bit. So the extension for Kelsey

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warranted for sure. Patrick Mahomes is
thrilled with it. Who wouldn't be.

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But he did change something. I
think. I think he was part of

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a changing movement. Maybe it's just
football that changed the position. But you

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do have to get when you're in
this situation, when you're playing that position

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in today's football, you do have
to be a lot more athletic. There's

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a lot of guys who've played that
position who are a lot more athletic than

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you give them credit for, including
a guy like Mike Ditka. Remember Antonio

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Gates was a hell of a basketball
player. That's what I'd be doing.

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If I were coaching kids at certain
positions and they really liked those positions,

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they felt like, yeah, you
know what I mean. I want to

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be the next Jimmy Graham is another
good tight end. Right, If you

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want to be some have them play
certain sports. That's going to allow them

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to excel in their favorite sport.
So when you're not playing football, play

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some basketball. Be a rebounder,
forces you to use your footwork box guys

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out. You're gonna have to box
guys out when you're going down catching passes,

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right, I say that in lacrosse
all the time. Be a wide

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receiver because you got to get off
the line with foot movement, shoulder shaking,

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head movement, swim moves exactly what
you do in lacrosse or hockey,

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hockey lacrosse two My boys did those
two sports. They played hockey and lacrosse.

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It's very similar movements. You're trying
to get around, trying to outdeek

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a certain defender by using the same
type of motion. Ones on skates,

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ones on feet, tight ends.
I bet you most of them are really

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good basketball players at some point,
not saying in college, but in the

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high school level, because you're using
similar moves, similar movement, similar skill

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sets to do the very same thing. Good stuff. We appreciate the phone

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calls today. We appreciate the text
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you know who's the most important to
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thought that was a really good one. I love those conversations. I love

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those topics. I don't always look
I say this all the time on this

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show. I'm not the one who
comes up with all the great content.

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A lot of times you do,
Ben does. It's open. That's what

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we'd love about hosting the show and
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basis. Hope you'll be back with
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