WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:03.600 When you were in your twenties and you were envisioning the life ahead of you, 2 00:00:04.519 --> 00:00:07.240 What is it that you predict did you did you think about what it 3 00:00:07.320 --> 00:00:11.039 might look like? And is it at all similar to where you are today? 4 00:00:12.839 --> 00:00:20.879 No, I didn't think anything, Like SpaceX tells what happened. I 5 00:00:20.960 --> 00:00:29.719 well, yeah, so it's completely Yeah, I'm pretty my twenties. Yes, 6 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:37.079 let's see. Well I termed thirty and two thousand and one, so 7 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:47.240 yeah, I that was before the SpaceX was I've formed in two thousand and 8 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:50.600 two, and that tells it was really technically incorporated in two thousand and three, 9 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:55.520 but really didn't get going till two thousand and four. Some I think 10 00:00:55.520 --> 00:01:02.119 to two thousand fourth when where acre date tells the two three and both space 11 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:04.799 Ex and Tesla when they started, I thought both probably failed. I gave 12 00:01:04.959 --> 00:01:11.280 less than attemptent chance of succeeding. But I thought, if you know, 13 00:01:12.439 --> 00:01:17.959 I made quite a bit of money from PayPal. I mean I was large 14 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:23.920 a shareholder in PayPal, so and I had about one hundred and eighty million 15 00:01:23.920 --> 00:01:27.200 dollars and slab sad a lot of money. So I figured I just effectively 16 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:34.719 just waste half of it on these foolish, foolish rocket and electric car companies, 17 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:38.879 and and then it turned out they needed basically all of the money. 18 00:01:38.920 --> 00:01:42.799 So then I spent d up giving all of the money to SpaceX and Tanes 19 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:47.319 and some of it to Sier City, and and they're still almost going back 20 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:51.680 rupt in both Moss. So, I mean, I just really wanted to 21 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:56.400 be involved in technologies that would change the world that was made on the real 22 00:01:56.480 --> 00:02:04.159 Bult. Well, you you certainly did do that. Do you think there's 23 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:12.039 anything that people might misunderstand about you? No, nothing at all. I 24 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:20.759 think I detected stork my storkcats mate. Never, never, I can think 25 00:02:20.759 --> 00:02:25.639 of something sarcastic. Well, you know, it's it's difficult because I find, 26 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:30.360 you know, even on the small scale that I've experienced it, like 27 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:34.520 I, I find it very difficult, and people miss misunderstand something about me 28 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:37.919 and then judge me, and so I kind of want to correct them and 29 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:47.879 have you sort of let that. Well, I mean, there's so much 30 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:51.360 prendant about me that I actually don't even I can't even read it all. 31 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:54.840 But if I would take a large portion of my day to simply to read 32 00:02:54.960 --> 00:03:01.960 all of the nonsense iCal e about me have grind about me over the years 33 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:07.240 when I find the regular news or what it called the legacy media just depressing 34 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:14.639 and often just uninformative or speaking of misinformation. It's remarkable how often there is 35 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:22.240 just misinformation or just stopping information printed in what, you know, some of 36 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:27.719 the biggest publications in the world. I mean, the Wall Street Journal is 37 00:03:28.039 --> 00:03:30.960 I think now printed three articles saying that I'm high all the time, which 38 00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:35.960 is really uh, like, I guess a compliment, because I mean, 39 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:42.199 you are high in the yes from an altitude step. But I'm certainly fly 40 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:49.000 a lot because my I'm flying around like a lunatic working by the way, 41 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:54.240 not you know, going to my yacht or I don't have a riboland or 42 00:03:54.599 --> 00:04:00.680 or even a holiday home. In fact, more quite someone looked at my 43 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:05.199 flight schedule and and put it to pinball music because I was flying around best 44 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:11.120 around like so it listened. My flat path looked like a pinball machine, 45 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:17.360 so I which I think, you know, it really makes it fear that 46 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:23.680 you do have to be at work in person. You can't actually work from 47 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:26.319 welm and be as effective. You know, this is some wor work from 48 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:29.560 wim thing. Well, if I could work from wim I why why am 49 00:04:29.560 --> 00:04:32.319 I flying around all the time? I fly around all the time. It 50 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:39.920 makes big dimples to be learned person. And I spent Yeah, so I've 51 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:46.160 spent many a night in the factory Tesla SpaceX and well that most of the 52 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:51.199 task. Its's been much more about a challenge on the Maine backroom front, 53 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:56.079 and just it tells us just in general, been much more of a drama 54 00:04:57.319 --> 00:05:00.879 way, if that's still a thing. One can serning drama and queen a 55 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:13.399 drama bonock, Yes so, and should posting lord Lord. I think I 56 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:16.439 think that's the official title. I've heard that said in the media, so 57 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:21.639 you know it must be true. Drama monoch, I like that that's you. 58 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:28.439 So yeah, but it does it does really matter to be their person. 59 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:32.959 I'm actually all that way to help when you're full space section testing the 60 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:42.560 aids primarily Tesla actually and so yeah, well it's one of those things where 61 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:46.680 I do think, like our humanity, I do think we need some face 62 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:48.399 to face. I am crazy and I love working from home, but I 63 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:51.800 also need to see people and brain You know, you can't really brainstorm with 64 00:05:51.879 --> 00:05:57.480 people, not you know, not fast to face, but in terms of 65 00:05:57.519 --> 00:06:00.360 like you know, you've stated many times that you're free each absolutist, and 66 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:05.279 you bought this platform at least in part to set the bird free. And 67 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:10.480 I believe there's even many means on that. So it's been about a year 68 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:15.560 and a half and I'm wondering, you know, through this experience, have 69 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:19.319 you learned anything about speak of social media platforms that surprised you? And do 70 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:25.160 you think there may be there is a degree that's necessary, you know, 71 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:30.959 in a private platform for a good user experience. Well, I mean it's 72 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:34.920 been many things that surprise me. Having the amount of government control, of 73 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:40.759 degree to which Twitter was acting at the beat of the many obs of the 74 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:46.560 government was a surprise to me. They really were, you know, in 75 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:53.240 my view, in my view that there were many violations, uh the First 76 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:56.279 Amendment, which I think you're in Canada, but there is you know, 77 00:06:56.279 --> 00:07:00.759 there's no actual First Amendment in Canada, but there's one in the US. 78 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:05.720 And you know, and and the government cannot exercise the factor control of the 79 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:10.800 media. And the reason that man was pretty place is because people came from 80 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:15.879 countries where you work forbidden to speak on penalty of prison or death, and 81 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:18.879 so they wanted to have the ability to say what they you know, to 82 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:26.800 speak really without fear of of severe punishment, at least not from the government. 83 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:30.079 So so that that was, you know, that was really a very 84 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:39.800 troubling discovery. And then I think obviously anyone who watches that Twitter was was 85 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:47.120 very much controlled by far left activists, very far left, and you know, 86 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:53.160 it was really controlled by a niche ideology that geographically is limited to the 87 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:56.639 city of San Francisco and Berkeley, not even it doesn't even extend to the 88 00:07:56.639 --> 00:08:03.839 city of South San Francisco or Siddaly not it's Palo Alto. So so you 89 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:07.680 know, a fall up niche ideology that would ordinarily be geographically contained was effectively 90 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:13.360 piping that what you know, what most people consider it extreme, what most 91 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:18.360 of the world night acs of the world there ideology was pipe was was pumping 92 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:22.279 that to anywhere on Earth that would allowed what it to exist, So that 93 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:26.439 you know, that's I thought it was. It was effectively one time, 94 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:31.439 you know, so the world and so it's gonna get to be done about 95 00:08:31.439 --> 00:08:37.039 that, I thought it was. It was it was actually a civilizational risk. 96 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:43.759 So you know, I think if if the United States does, for 97 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:48.519 that that would be there's a nice people think, well, they'll they'll escape 98 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:50.879 to New Zealand, no other place. It's like, that's that's not gonna 99 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:56.799 that's not realistic. Canada will if a nice days falls, Canada is going 100 00:08:56.840 --> 00:09:01.399 to become a province in Russia. And I don't know what's going to happen 101 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:03.519 to the other countries, but they're not gonna. They supply under the protective 102 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:11.440 umbrella of the United States. The United States is this is a central fall, 103 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:20.279 central tentpole that holds up the entire oedipus of Western civilization. So we 104 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:24.679 just have we have to make sure that the United States is strong, that 105 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:28.879 it remains democracy. And free speech is the bedrock of the functioning democracy. 106 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:35.480 You cannot have a true democracy unless people uh can say that say what they 107 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:39.559 want to say, and can and can learn the truth of things, because 108 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:45.480 otherwise you're making we work based on a lack of information or a distorted view 109 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:52.039 of information, and which can make the boage effectively meaningless because you don't know 110 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:56.679 what to put on what basis to make you look. So I think this 111 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:07.080 is something that is extremely important, and that's the reason for require Twitter and 112 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:13.399 and I think we do want a fresh start hens the different branding and and 113 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:18.039 and also accessibably a much broader system in Twitter, which is the name that 114 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:24.080 made sense when you're doing a one hundred body character or short textual tweets. 115 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:30.080 It was it was a bit like words some twittering away. But once you 116 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:35.679 start having three hour videos and uh, what are your video calling? And 117 00:10:37.879 --> 00:10:43.320 we will be launching payments later this year, then the name no longer fits 118 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:48.360 the you know, it would be like naming a company that has broad ranging 119 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:54.519 products after one product three great sense to do that, And I think also 120 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:56.840 think it was we want to leave. We want to sort of put the 121 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:01.519 you know, free the word and let letter fly free and and and be 122 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:09.440 something else. So sorry, go ahead. Yeah, So that's that's the 123 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:16.120 reasoning for it. But do you feel that maybe like having now had ownership 124 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:20.720 of it for a while, you know, you do have some regulations on 125 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:24.240 the platform, you know, certain way to be, you know, and 126 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:28.080 they're not all things that necessarily go against the law, right like obviously you 127 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:33.799 know, threaten someone with violence, But some of the modern maat on the 128 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:39.000 platform isn't really to do with things they're legal, like where's what's your perspective 129 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:46.720 on that. Well, actually, the we really should be hearing as close 130 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:54.919 to the low as possible, so and and really extremely I think reluctant to 131 00:11:54.960 --> 00:12:01.360 have permanent bands on people because I think opponent ban it's almost like the death 132 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:09.960 sense, so that that should be a very rare thing. So you know, 133 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:15.320 it's like like we you know it, and where were less of lives 134 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:22.559 as a society, we would execute people with wider crimes or and now it 135 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:28.120 comes inclusion, Well that's that's wrong. The crime should but the people should 136 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:31.480 be inconstrated for some period of time but not forever, and they shouldn't be 137 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:37.639 executed unless it's in the very extreme circumstance. So so I think that's kind 138 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:43.279 of what we should be doing. And that doesn't mean at the same time 139 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:48.120 that you just get to harass other people on the platform. Uh. They 140 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:52.559 obviously have the ability to to mute from you to I'm getting around to getting 141 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:58.000 rid of the block, but obvious the stronger mute. So so like you 142 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:01.639 really don't want to hear from someone you there's not some way to get around 143 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:11.320 and which you can just cute them entirely. So in general, if we 144 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:16.440 are suspending people for or accounts for reasons that we'll go beyond the law. 145 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:22.919 I'd like to know about that, because I don't think we should be suspecting 146 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:30.240 people for reasons that whether there's not a probable legal interaction. Yeah, I 147 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:35.120 guess my thinking around that things like it so I used to be, you 148 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:37.320 know, I think really much more of a free speak absolutely listen to some 149 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:43.240 extent, its still am. But when it comes to private platforms or just 150 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:46.840 my engagement, because I used to respond to anybody no matter how they said 151 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:50.240 to me, I realize, well, they're not coming in good faith. 152 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:54.279 They're like, I can disagree with them on what they say, but if 153 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:56.639 they're not coming in good faith, if they're rude, if they're attacking me, 154 00:13:56.679 --> 00:14:03.120 if they're disingenuous, I don't feel like I have a responsibility to engage 155 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:07.360 with them, And you certainly don't. Yeah, you should have the ability 156 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:13.600 to quite you know, to to meet them and have them not not bother 157 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:18.759 you. And and you know, and if if I guess, we do 158 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:28.200 see that there's like a coordinated attack two uh, effectively squash free speech of 159 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:31.159 the platform, then that that would certainly be reasons for at least the temporary 160 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:35.799 suspension of the accounts that engage in that behavior, and then those temporary suspensions 161 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:39.159 would grow in length, kind of like when you you know, if you're 162 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:43.639 having your password too many times on your phone, gives you longer and longer 163 00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:48.559 times. You can't just reforce hacket met you know, We've got we have 164 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:52.080 a system now where it's give people a short suspension, then a lot than 165 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:58.480 a longer suspension. Eventually the suspension length gets longer and longer if they keep 166 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:03.039 doing it, and hopefully that serves as a deterrent to you know, bad 167 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:09.159 behavior. But with full permanent suspensions, we really need to be a situation 168 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:16.840 where someone is engaged in obviously you work broad or threatening like auto equivalently threatening 169 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:24.240 violence. They're doing things that are just obviously illegal. Do you have enough 170 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:28.480 people you think to be able to handle that or do you proceed using AI 171 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:31.960 to handle you know, things like threats, like things that are in direct 172 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:41.200 violation. I don't. It's not it's not a number of people think I 173 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:46.200 think we need. Uh, we're all reorganizing a company and we are bringing 174 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:50.279 like a lot of a lot of the work is done by sort of contractors 175 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:58.279 in other countries, like for English language moderation, and they sometimes just don't 176 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:04.759 understand the context of what's being said, so we'll we'll get too ready false 177 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:11.320 positives or false negatives where they they should be doing somewhat temporary suspension and they're 178 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:15.000 not, or they suspend someone because but they don't understand that it's an intematic 179 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:25.200 expression that they actually will mean that literally. So we are fully up internal 180 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:30.039 UH team are based in the US that I think we better have have a 181 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:36.559 better under stating of what when when is you know, when when when is 182 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:44.440 something something somebody really threatening violence versus something bigger speech. It's not it's not 183 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:48.519 something a matter of quantity, it's it matters that people understand this, which 184 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:59.600 we stain see Also, the the whole of reporting framework is byzantine, Like 185 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:08.720 the whole flow of how accounts are reported and then what it's done is extremely 186 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:17.160 complex and difficult to do to understand, even if you're yeah fufully aware of 187 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:23.960 say a US colloquialism is so anyway, So we're building up an enal team 188 00:17:23.960 --> 00:17:27.559 and I think we'll be using that more and more, which should improve the 189 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:37.160 plody. But yeah, moderation, but I always, of course that moderation. 190 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:44.039 You know, it's like all things of moderation, especially moderations, because 191 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:49.759 moderation is often the use of us short. I mean like when when when 192 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:56.720 you know, obviously, when when organizations seek to engage in propaganda, they 193 00:17:56.839 --> 00:18:03.200 naturally use mistleeeding tongue because they are arguation propaganda. In fact, I don't 194 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:07.559 even really like the name Uster and Safety as an organization. I mean, 195 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:12.039 that'ssary. I would fit very well in George Owelbo. So in generally, 196 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:19.240 I think it's like they don't show customer service or just you know, not 197 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:29.119 much moderation. Now, it's true, I mean, I mean, I 198 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:32.599 agree with you about the words that are being used. I don't think that 199 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:37.519 they're always intended to be propaganda. I think it's something that sort of starts 200 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:41.519 as part of the culture, and then there's this sort of feel like you 201 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:45.880 have to use them. You know. Obviously, I've been in mainstream journalism 202 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:48.880 for many years. It's not like anybody's ever said to me, hey, 203 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:52.799 Catherine, you know you need to use these particular words. But you see 204 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:56.240 them around and you see what each publication uses, and something that you are 205 00:18:56.279 --> 00:19:00.400 sort of taught is that you write in the voice of that publication, and 206 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:04.640 so it becomes more dominant. This new language becomes more and more dominant, 207 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:08.440 and people don't really think so much about why are we using these words? 208 00:19:08.440 --> 00:19:17.440 Why have they changed? Right? Yeah, well, I think there's almost 209 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:26.000 like a attempting fates named something trust in safety. It's inevitably going to be 210 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:29.559 kind of the opposite. Yeah, I think you want to have a new 211 00:19:29.799 --> 00:19:36.240 newful tone as opposed to something which if there's a ministry of trust and safety, 212 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:44.160 would you would you trust that? Now we're talking for rebellion trusty called 213 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:48.440 trust and safety. I don't million news. No, no, that's fair. 214 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:52.920 And I think look when the whole Twitter files thing came out for me, 215 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:56.160 you know, I'm comfortable with some moderation, but I'm also okayd with 216 00:19:56.319 --> 00:20:00.880 not you know, I think you want could go either way. However, 217 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:03.319 when you have as a private entity, I think you have the right to 218 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:08.960 do what you want. But when you have government organizations exactly telling you what 219 00:20:10.039 --> 00:20:12.599 to do, that to me like that that is where we are looking at 220 00:20:12.599 --> 00:20:15.400 censorships, even if they built it, when you have to do it or 221 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:25.480 else, there's apply to thread there, but you know the I agree, 222 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:29.880 yeah, Well, but where I'm sort of struggling lately. You know, 223 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:33.440 people have always said, you know, senshine is the best disinfectants. You 224 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:37.039 know, as a as a liberal, you know, it was always like 225 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:41.319 freedom of speech is so fundamental in my very left leaning schools. That's what 226 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:45.319 I've sawt and that was the value we had, and and I still, 227 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:49.079 you know, obviously believe a lot of that. But when we're looking but 228 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:53.400 when I think about social media structures, right, you have there's a lot 229 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:57.720 of incentives that are for telling lies. And it's not just the media social 230 00:20:57.759 --> 00:21:04.000 media, and it's not just acts either. It's what it is is every 231 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:08.079 social media structure, and it's humans. Right, Humans have a tendency to 232 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:15.720 amplify. I think there are sensational there is incentivized outrage, and so I 233 00:21:15.759 --> 00:21:19.200 don't never well, considering that is the case, do you still feel that 234 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:23.759 that statement of that the sunshine being the best disinfectant still holds true when you 235 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:29.039 have basically, you know, lies spreading very very quickly. And I know 236 00:21:29.119 --> 00:21:32.319 you've tried to do really good, you know, I'm I'm I'm a big 237 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:36.000 fan of actually community notes and I think that's one of these you know, 238 00:21:36.079 --> 00:21:41.000 you can help that, but by providing people with more information rather than censoring 239 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:45.519 whatever, even if it's a lie. But do you think that that structure, 240 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:51.480 you know, appeals to truth finding? I guess truth seeking in the 241 00:21:51.519 --> 00:21:56.759 sense that it's when things are exposed, you should be coming to the you 242 00:21:56.799 --> 00:22:00.240 know, the truth should come to the surface. But clearly doesn't always right, 243 00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:08.759 Well, I think honesty is the best policy actually, and so yeah, 244 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:11.839 you have to make a choice here. Nothing's going to be perfect. 245 00:22:12.640 --> 00:22:17.279 Do whatever. You're on the side of free speech or on the size of 246 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:22.279 censorship. I think we should are on the side of free speech. And 247 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:26.799 while it is true that lives are often sensationalized and more interesting than the truth, 248 00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:33.119 over time, if you have free speech, people can at least get 249 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:37.039 to the truth that they want to. But if you've got human sensors, 250 00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:45.119 well then you're lying on them and up and ate they're wrong, and it 251 00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:52.480 becomes a magnetical for activists, for people who back want to distort the truth. 252 00:22:52.000 --> 00:23:03.839 This is really the problem with having moderation, okay censorship is is that 253 00:23:04.160 --> 00:23:11.319 those who wish to distort the truth will naturally gravitate to positions of power and 254 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:21.920 information control. So base letter Yeah yeah, so now yeah, so so 255 00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:26.559 this is what this is what happened at Twitter. It didn't start out with 256 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:33.680 with activists being in control, but it ended up with them being because that's 257 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:38.440 what they they literally, you know, it's like that's the classic say about 258 00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:41.839 Willie Loman, Why did you know? Why did you rop backs and said 259 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:45.559 because that's where the money is? Well, so, well, why why 260 00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:53.160 did the activists go and become quo moderators and sensors Because that's where the influence 261 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:59.920 is. So you can pretty much guarantee that that it will be a mag 262 00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:07.200 that any any kind of stistic or moderation is gonna be a magnetful for people 263 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:15.880 who want to distorage and control the truth. That's that is what happened at 264 00:24:15.880 --> 00:24:19.519 Tweet. I mean, you're roth. Literally, I believe he actually tweeted 265 00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:26.319 that the reason he wanted to be in charge of trust and safety was because 266 00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:32.000 he wanted to he wanted to be an activists, Like I think he said 267 00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:40.119 that publicly. Here's any I guess that's a good segue into journalism because you 268 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:44.440 know, this is something that I'm seeing more you know kind of came up 269 00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:48.920 with I had really greats, really people who valuated proof and called me out 270 00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:52.799 when I you know, be as my way in coffee and asked the right 271 00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:57.000 questions. But I have seen sort of the incentive to go into journalism, 272 00:24:57.240 --> 00:25:02.519 especially because it's not a highly paid field, right, So so why would 273 00:25:02.519 --> 00:25:04.440 you go into it? You either really really love something about it or you 274 00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:08.480 want to you know, you'd want to have a cause, and so this 275 00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:12.440 kind of active as journalist emerge. So as a result, I do see 276 00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:18.240 a lot of issues that we have these case as a result. But you've 277 00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:21.880 spoken a lot about citizen journalism, you know, and I've I've always been 278 00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:26.880 really supportive of the idea of citizen journalism. But at the same time, 279 00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:33.960 you know, there is the the sort of mainstream media does still have really 280 00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:40.039 good structures for collecting, use as the resources, as some sort of editorial 281 00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:45.799 standard, but it has undoubtedly lost a lot of trust. Do you see, 282 00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:49.880 you know, citizen journalism as being potentially just complementary. Do you see 283 00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:56.720 it as something that do you do you see way forward where the traditional mainstream 284 00:25:56.759 --> 00:26:00.920 media can rebuild that trust that a lot of it has lost. Because I 285 00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:04.279 still think there's good work that that some journalists do and some publications do. 286 00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:12.119 It's just there's also a lot that I think is fair to criticize. Well, 287 00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:18.720 I think actually that and the legacy media. I think it's correct for 288 00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:26.680 a firm as legacy media. It's really an inefficient way of humanity learning what 289 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:33.160 is going on. It was it was a it's a it's a it's an 290 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:40.440 old technology that was necessary before you add the Internet. But it is I 291 00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:47.880 think fundamentally inefficient. Uh. And if you're to simply everyone voicing their opinion 292 00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:55.279 and the most interesting opinions being serviced. But if you think just you say, 293 00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:57.920 like, well, just well, how does the media work. There's 294 00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:03.319 this whole number of prominent publications that write a small number of articles. They 295 00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:08.519 write articles about areas that they don't actually understand and where they were often not 296 00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:12.079 there or they were usually not there as a field, they are undersaid. 297 00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:21.319 So if they're in the best case scenario, you've got someone who it's denserving 298 00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:26.519 that the journalists is doing their absolute best to write an accurate article. That's 299 00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:32.839 something. There's still a lot an expiantal field and they're still and beast what 300 00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:38.599 character cases for it to actually there, So the biscus of that article is 301 00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:44.160 really going to be pretty bad. That's why, you know, if you 302 00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:47.200 really want to say, like how accurate is any given article, well, 303 00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:49.720 when you see an article that you actually actually understand the field or you know 304 00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:56.079 what actually happened, how accurate is that article? It's usually do you read 305 00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:57.359 it and say, that's actually not at all what happened. As usly, 306 00:27:57.400 --> 00:28:03.359 I goes, well, that's true for all the articles. It's not just 307 00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:04.720 true for the things that you're an expert, and it's true for all the 308 00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:14.039 articles. If instead we have a vast and large number of people who are 309 00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:19.119 expert in the field, who are who were there or literally are there right 310 00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:26.839 now, you've got I don't know, one hundred or a thousand or ten 311 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:33.680 thousand times or sources of information. Source of information better be more accurate because 312 00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:40.440 they're experts in the field or I'm literally there, and and it's just it's 313 00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:47.119 really not something that legacy media can compete with legs. It's thinking like legacy 314 00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:52.039 media is like the fax machine, or like writing letters, like with the 315 00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:59.240 pen and paper, compared to the internet, Like how many people used to 316 00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:03.039 communicate by writing letters because that was the only technology available at the time, 317 00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:06.559 So the right letters, and back in the day it was with a quill, 318 00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:08.640 quite difficult, dry letter of the quill, and then you'd have a 319 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:15.960 very slow often uh, your mail will get lost. But this is literally 320 00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:18.880 how the world communicator was. Like writing a letter, they would have to 321 00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:26.440 being carried by someone or our boards from one person to another. In NOL 322 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:30.960 days, when they would declare war, half the country wouldn't even know that 323 00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:37.799 been declared because they didn't get the mail. So that even even in the 324 00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:42.480 in the US Civil War, there were battles that took place well after there 325 00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:47.160 was a peace deal side because they actually didn't know that a peace deal has 326 00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:49.400 been sided. That one of the last battles of the war I think maybe 327 00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:55.039 be last was right near our Star based launch sight in South Texas, and 328 00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:57.920 they brought a battle because they didn't realize that that the sides had actually declared 329 00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:03.599 peace. So that's kind of what youah with some version of that with the 330 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:11.119 legacy media. I would challenge one thing though, speed is not always I 331 00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:15.200 think you know King. I mean, obviously you want breaking news to happen 332 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.599 quickly, and it's it's important when it does. But and I think AI 333 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:22.720 is going to help to some extent. But the reporting on the ground is 334 00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:26.759 really important. But when you go at a really high speed, you also 335 00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:30.759 have more chances of getting something wrong. Right, So when you have things 336 00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:36.720 travel really quickly and you've got the wrong information, I mean sometimes that information 337 00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:41.039 can lead to potential depth for you know, people making very bad decisions because 338 00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:45.839 they're relying on information that wasn't vetted. And even with journalists right like you 339 00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:49.400 see that happening. You might see a source for a story and then they'll 340 00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:56.160 copy it and there's broken telephone going around and because because it's traveling too fast 341 00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:59.160 and people are trying to get it out too fast, and they haven't properly 342 00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:03.839 verified the information. So I think it's important to sort of keep that in 343 00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:08.720 mind, especially when it comes to important stories. Right, Uh yeah, 344 00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:15.799 Well, I mean the media and is the Leasyvita has a striking clive problem 345 00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:22.440 where the revenue is to decreaseing, user decreasing, so they're actually desperate to 346 00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:26.839 get news out. First, you get news out, even a few hours 347 00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:32.839 later, you're gonna get much intentional So this has actually led to a rap 348 00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:40.880 or reduction in the quality of information made by legousy media. But for legacy 349 00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:45.119 media, the ability to actually correct things is basically zero. They can take 350 00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:48.920 to run a retraction, you know, a week later that nobody reads, 351 00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:55.599 whereas the past years online or like on on the X platform is corrected immediately. 352 00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:00.119 So yes, there may be an up art wrong things that are said, 353 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:05.079 but then they're just as quickly corrected, and the same cannot be said 354 00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:09.960 on legacy media that's printed. In some cases it's corrected like if the community 355 00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:13.039 note, for example, goes through And by the way I mean, and 356 00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:16.359 this is not just an X situation, right, there's other social media platforms 357 00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:21.839 that don't have things like community notes. So I find that things do spread 358 00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:25.480 very quickly and there isn't always a mechanism for corrections. And I think, 359 00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:30.240 look, community notes is it may be imperfect, but I think there's a 360 00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:34.319 lot that it can do and a lot of areas where it can grow to 361 00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:37.640 do better on the correcting of information. So I think and I agree with 362 00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:42.359 you that with you know, one thing that I have a significant issue with 363 00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.440 is that a lot of times when a media outlet makes a mistake, even 364 00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:49.839 if they do correct it, no one sees that correction, and there's no 365 00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:52.640 sort of accountability Like I'd like them to publish and say, you know, 366 00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:57.640 we've made this many errors today and you know, this month, and be 367 00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:00.599 really accountable about it to the readers, because I think would also benefit THEMB 368 00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:05.559 because it will build trust. Do you see a world where you know, 369 00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:08.799 you take like one thing that I've really enjoyed on X and other social well 370 00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:14.759 X, because that's really the dominant platform for me. But when there is 371 00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:19.400 breaking use of some sort you can get like really interesting people breaking it down. 372 00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.200 So you might have somebody who has expertise in a particular area or maybe 373 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:27.440 lives in a particular region, and it gives me this kind of enhanced idea 374 00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:30.200 what's going on in the news. So to me, I see it as 375 00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:34.880 something that the citizen journalism aspect of it, or the community aspect of it 376 00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:39.400 is something that to me seems like a great potential enhancement to traditional media and 377 00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:44.839 perhaps there is a way for it to work better together. Do you see 378 00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:51.279 that or do you see social media completely replacing sort of the conventional media format. 379 00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:58.759 Well in a bed of what I think what has actually happened and will 380 00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:04.160 happen recently over time, is is it's you know, it's sort of like 381 00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:10.280 trying to argue that people should go from having email back to writing letters and 382 00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:16.000 mailing them mailing physical letters. It's simply not going to happen. So it's 383 00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:22.000 not it's not even I want this or not. I'm simply describing that legacy 384 00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:29.599 media is a legacy. It's it's it's an inefficient and very slow means of 385 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:37.440 simiting information. And you know, like you can like civilization is is kind 386 00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:42.000 of a group mind for humanity. The efficiency of your coach postaless kind of 387 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:46.159 a neuron in a giant brain, and the effectness of that brain is going 388 00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:51.599 to be function of how well those neurons fire, how quickly they fire, 389 00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:58.480 how quickly information trap goes round and is corrected. And I think legacy we 390 00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:07.440 can no will compete with with internet media. Then then then written letters can 391 00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:12.880 compete with email. It's simply that's a read just the fact. It doesn't 392 00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:15.559 mean that nobody writes letters anymore. There are some letters written, but they 393 00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:22.719 are niche, and legacy media is a niche and will macwy even more niche. 394 00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:24.239 That's just a statement of fact. That's where I want it to be 395 00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:30.039 true or lot. I understand what you're saying. I feel as though there's 396 00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:35.280 certain things that media institutions do better than For example, if somebody is just 397 00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:37.960 on social media and some people are spectacular, right, some people produce incredible 398 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:42.920 content, they take hundreds of of hours to do it, So there's always 399 00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:46.079 exceptions. But if he wanted to report on a story, like I know 400 00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:51.800 as a journalist, it takes me a very long time basically in proportion to 401 00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:53.639 how much impaid for a story. It sort of gives me an ability to 402 00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:59.199 spend more time researching it, speaking to more sources, really going to the 403 00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:04.760 places. So there's certain kinds of journalism where it's like say, investigable pieces 404 00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:09.480 that I think you have a bigger chance of getting a really good story that 405 00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:15.800 you know, application might invest in just kind of like a movie studio invest 406 00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:20.320 in Oscar kind of bait movies, even though it's not a money leader for 407 00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:24.079 them, right, because they want that sort of reputational They want to have 408 00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:30.199 that reputation for good movies, same as they want reputation for good journalism. 409 00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:35.119 And I don't know how that would translate to the social media port where people 410 00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:42.599 don't necessarily have those kinds of resources, including just tumming. Well, if 411 00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:49.480 somebody is actually an expert in the field or literally was there, it takes 412 00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:52.760 very little effort for them to actually inspire the situation. It's much harder for 413 00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:58.280 someone who wasn't there or is not an expert look field to attempt to become 414 00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:02.239 at least a slight expert with field or interview of watch people who were there. 415 00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:07.039 That that one of saying is that that that that has no longer necessary. 416 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:12.880 You can now hear it directly from world class experts as on exit, 417 00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:20.039 you can care directly from the best AI scientists and engineers in the world directly 418 00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:25.159 problem immediately. But that information and in some ways it's good that information isn't 419 00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:29.880 filtered, it's uncensored. And at the same time, when you have a 420 00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:34.920 good journalist, that person is should be good at discerning you know, who's 421 00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:38.800 who's a really interesting expert and let's bring different diverse points of views into this 422 00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:43.960 story. So it's more than just you know, one person's opinion or a 423 00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:47.519 few people's random people's opinions who might have expertise, but you know, haven't 424 00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:54.440 done like a full sampling. Well, like I said, I think the 425 00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:59.239 debate is somewhat moved because what I'm describing is simply what is happening and whether 426 00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:05.239 one likes someone Wilse So, like I said, legs and media is like 427 00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:10.719 like the written letter, like mailing letsons more a quill of pen or something 428 00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:17.079 versus email. It's not that there are no more letters, but femails fast 429 00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:22.320 and more efficient, faster, And that's just it's legs. The media is 430 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:25.679 just an old technology. I think it's kind of absurd that we print out 431 00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:34.840 newspapers still. After all. Assign and my son Saxon, he was of 432 00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:39.800 beings profound observations in the world, was sort of walking through the airport and 433 00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:45.440 saw it was a Wall Street journal or something that had like, you know 434 00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:47.360 that the bad Day's stage printed on it. And he was like, wow, 435 00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:50.960 how did they How do they know it was today? I was like, 436 00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:55.000 let's Saxon, they print that out every day. They make the newspaper 437 00:38:55.039 --> 00:39:00.840 every day. It's like what you know, seeking so to see the absurdity 438 00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:07.159 of a child like they've print this out every day, its justs and and 439 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:09.440 and then then he said, well, they're probably just they probably just read 440 00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:13.800 the Internet and printed out. And I said, yes, that is indeed 441 00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:20.159 what most newspapers dot. It is such a good descriptions are very good at 442 00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:22.800 this. I have to say they discerned things in the most simple honest wee, 443 00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:30.559 Well, you're the vast majority of news is they read something on the 444 00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:35.599 internet, write an article in print at print it out. So that's just 445 00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:38.000 the vast majority of news. So abus and very often it has had some 446 00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:45.880 expost that they're writing an article about Yeah, that's look I I I certainly 447 00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:50.880 have my criticisms. I'm also, you know, a biased observer given that 448 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:53.320 I am a writer, so you know, I am a little invested, 449 00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:58.960 a little invested in saving journalism in some way. Though I do think there's 450 00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:02.159 ways to move forward that are different than what is now because it's not working 451 00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:07.480 as well as I wish it was. But one thing that I noticed, 452 00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:09.280 like, so you engange a lot on this platform. You know, you 453 00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:14.920 were very active. Everyone knows apparently I don't. I don't even want to 454 00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:19.440 guess how much time you spend, you know, in the Golden stool tweeting. 455 00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:25.159 But but in terms of one thing that you have is as the owner 456 00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:30.639 of this plat worn and you know, somebody with a big following is that 457 00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:36.480 you can amplify both certain ideas people and you do, and you know, 458 00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:40.440 I know there's been a lot of criticism in particular both about the ideas that 459 00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:47.079 you choose to amplify and the people that maybe you know might have checker past 460 00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:53.119 so whatnot when the same point could potentially be made without them? And I'm 461 00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:57.000 just wondering, like, how much thought do you even put into that? 462 00:40:57.199 --> 00:41:00.400 Do you do you think, oh, I can't meet this this person and 463 00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:04.840 you know, I'm not gonna not a literal notz but you know what I 464 00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:09.159 mean? Or or because or are people like how much thoughts do you give 465 00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:22.400 this at all? Well? This is like may sound sort of esoteric, 466 00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:28.840 but like what I'm really trying to achieve here is to prove the signals noise 467 00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:32.320 of the collective consciousness. So uh and and the and the bad word. 468 00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:38.920 I can think of like the your next platform as being you know, all 469 00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:44.280 these humans connected in the same way some similar way to to the to a 470 00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:50.199 collection of neurons in the brain. You want to improve how you know, 471 00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:59.880 the your increased signal or reduced noise and just just have that collective brain being 472 00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:06.039 be better. Uh. This is why when you think of that way, 473 00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:12.079 the absurdity of legacy media becomes apparent because it's slow and it goes through a 474 00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:19.079 future points. Number of articles is tiny. It's just just obviously not the 475 00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:28.400 future. So I'm trying to create here, like the over time, a 476 00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:37.960 collector consciousness that I can think well clearly, that can think faster, that 477 00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:45.960 that can reach more acurate conclusions. That's the goal. It sounds so esoteric, 478 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:51.079 but that is that is what I'm trying to achieve. Here is a 479 00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:57.079 a better collective consciousness. Are you trying to move the obrigin then window? 480 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:07.760 Sir? Whichmond the overgin? I don't know how English is my third language? 481 00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:15.360 Sorry, I guess is really a good yes? Let me speak quite 482 00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:22.920 well? Thank you? What for us to well? Okay, So I'm 483 00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:29.039 curious, like so, for example, you you once tweeted a meme by 484 00:43:29.079 --> 00:43:32.440 Colin Wright about how you don't feel like you moved from the left politically, 485 00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:37.599 that essentially the left left chain, And you know, I think there's definitely 486 00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:43.760 a lot at to that because you know, affecting when we talk about something 487 00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:52.840 like what they said it was a pretty liberal indeed it now and I'm wondering, 488 00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:57.360 like, you know, but you seem to be one thing that you 489 00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:06.400 do, you tend to focus more on things that might be associated with issues 490 00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:10.960 that might be associated more with the culture wards what people call the culture boards, 491 00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:16.639 and not necessarily focusing as much as on things like they housing or prison 492 00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:22.840 reform or whatever you know, matter to you. Do you find that is 493 00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:24.840 like? Is there truth to that? Do you feel like you've moved a 494 00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:29.239 little bit as well? And are you trying to ship the conversation at all 495 00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:35.840 to somewhere where we can discuss something really well. I mean that there's why 496 00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:39.119 my personal account and then there's the company. I'm going to say what I 497 00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:43.239 what I want to say on my you know, postal account, and I 498 00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:47.679 said that before acquiring the company. I was most interacted with the account on 499 00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:53.519 the Twitter platform before the acquisition. So you know, I'm not going to 500 00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:59.280 I'm going to say what I want to say. Not to do otherwise would 501 00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:05.519 be hypocritical, And I'm not going to inhibit my freedom of speech when I've 502 00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:09.119 literally tried to improve greadom with speech that that would be absurd. However, 503 00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:16.519 Uh, I'm not denying voice to those on the left. In fact, 504 00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:21.440 I don't know of a single I can make bestomology. There's not a single 505 00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:27.199 prominent left bring account that has been silenced, including some very extreme left wing 506 00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:31.599 accounts. So if there are, I'd love to know what that will unsuspend 507 00:45:31.639 --> 00:45:37.840 them. I'm mistaken now, No. But now what we have done though 508 00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:44.280 is we're not uh engaged in aggressive censorship of what today is called the right. 509 00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:45.800 And I think, you know, not that long ago would have been 510 00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:52.480 called the water at left, So that you know, towards the end that 511 00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:59.360 Twitter was really very aggressively censoring anyone on the on the right. I've said 512 00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:06.559 deep platform sitting sitting president, and and so you had massive censorship of anyone 513 00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:09.719 on the right. Uh where ten times when he accounts the right were being 514 00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:14.119 suspended as counts on the left. And in fact, the only reason they 515 00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:16.920 was suspending count of the left is when there was an argument between two segments 516 00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:21.280 of the left. And it just sounds one of the segments of the left 517 00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:25.000 because an argument between two groups of the left. You know, so like 518 00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:30.880 Bernie Sanders was Hllary Clinton type of thing, so uh you know, so 519 00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:37.760 so then you know what appears to be well, I guess it's it's not 520 00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:39.760 really an appearance of liver to the right. The platform has moved to the 521 00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:45.119 right because it was so far to the left before. And in order to 522 00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:50.360 properly represent the whole country and living the whole world, you have to be 523 00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:54.239 you have to be balanced, you have to allow the right to the left. 524 00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:58.920 And sometimes these you know, definitions don't put exactly into a right or 525 00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:02.519 left, they're just do you have allowed both sides with bay to flourish. 526 00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:08.559 And previously, you know, previously under the prior, prior censorship regime, 527 00:47:09.519 --> 00:47:15.960 they they did their best to suppress even water right will week so and like 528 00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:24.920 so today's today's right waring honestly is was was was yesterday's water left so so, 529 00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:27.920 like I said, so, it may appear like always wearing to the 530 00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:31.840 right, but all we're doing is is being even handed and enabling a level 531 00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:37.360 playing field for for all flights of youth than our leading. Yeah, I 532 00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:40.559 think, And I think one thing is that you've been criticized where the top 533 00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:45.280 one you've been criticize the lot we're coming. You know, it's very kind 534 00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:50.800 of speech that people find very offensive. And I think part I don't know. 535 00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:53.239 I can't measure if it's hyeing the global but all I can say I 536 00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:59.880 have spirit state. That's said. I also think of what people throughout the 537 00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:05.519 might common they they gravitate to one, to the platform where they feel like 538 00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:14.039 they want to be thrown off. That might be believe that's so. I 539 00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:16.599 don't know if it's like the platforms issue so much as it's like, as 540 00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:21.960 soon as you allow sort of free speech, a degree of free speech, 541 00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:29.079 people gravitate towards that, and that's just human nature. Yeah. Well, 542 00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:35.239 free speech, I think obviously is meaningless less people you don't like are not 543 00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:39.800 to say things don't like. Otherwise it loses I just lose all meaning. 544 00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:46.840 And uh, you know, if if people want to move to another platform, 545 00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:52.400 uh, they're well do so they're not changed to the X platform. 546 00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:57.880 They will move any any time where they can duel boats or whatever they want 547 00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:04.119 to do it. If we do if we do a bad job of creating 548 00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:08.719 a level plank build or or even that that is perceived to not be a 549 00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:14.679 level plank build up, obviously people will leave and they will post elsewhere. 550 00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:21.679 But in fact, we have seen record usage of the system, and and 551 00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:25.599 the lorms that I pay worse attentioned to the the user seconds as reported by 552 00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:31.559 iOS and Android. That's the most rigorous assessment of usage. It's easy to 553 00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:36.800 sort of write a lot of bots on a PC, but it's much harder 554 00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:42.119 to do so on iOS or you know, iOS androids. So you know, 555 00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:47.440 we're just we've seen a roughly twenty thirty percent grace. It's actually ruptly 556 00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:53.440 proportion to the decrease and the legacy media view so legs, I think thanks 557 00:49:53.440 --> 00:50:01.639 the media, yeah, fully formerly known as mainstream media. I saw I 558 00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:07.519 think a twenty thirty percent drop in viewership last year, and we saw a 559 00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:14.719 corresponding increase, So as we're doing something right. And I mean to me 560 00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:19.960 that the platform seems very alive. We see more and more plantate creators made 561 00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:25.280 more adding a tremendous value to the to the system and written form and video, 562 00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:37.920 and and I think I think it's very healthy for ensuring the you know 563 00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:45.159 that that the walk pursuit and people's voice is heard. I think things were 564 00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:49.719 very well actually, So that's that's my perception. Least I could be obviously 565 00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:58.480 raw, but it's it's it seems very good and I like I said, 566 00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:01.920 you know, encourage people on the left or from all parts of the political 567 00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:09.719 respectrum to continue to add their voice to the X platform. And and you 568 00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:14.599 know, uh, you know, rather than be that than sort of leave 569 00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:20.840 in a huff, it's better to rebut you know, arguments you disagree with 570 00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:23.760 on the X platform where the right left or in the middle likesit. I 571 00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:30.440 think the whole right left definitions it's an arbitrary but here to have a to 572 00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:37.079 have a healthy debate various spade. And and that doesn't mean that at times 573 00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:42.320 you will read things that offend you, in fact, but that's you should 574 00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:44.880 bet a wast thing. It's actually good that I'm reading some things that offend 575 00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:49.280 me because that thing is free speeches a lot. And that means that if 576 00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:52.400 I say something that offends others, I won't be shut down. That you 577 00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:58.079 give me a break covered. But it's also good to sometimes it is good 578 00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:01.239 to be offended or offend because to make you think through ideas a little bit 579 00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:06.559 better and wonter. Okay, why am I offended? I'm sure? Why 580 00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:09.440 is somebody else offended by this idea? And how do they have points? 581 00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:17.519 Or are they you know, are they Yeah, exactly, So you're sort 582 00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:23.639 of an encouraged people to say. I mean, many times I'll read things 583 00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:28.000 on the platform I'm quite offended and and I'm like, wait a second, 584 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:31.679 but that's actually, you know, it's good because I should be offendive. 585 00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:38.159 I'm not reading things that occasionally more than more than occasionally actually that I disagree 586 00:52:38.199 --> 00:52:43.760 with and uh, and that might change my mind once for a while. 587 00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:47.960 I think it's important to always be open minded. They'll be too sort of 588 00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:53.480 set in your beliefs because the odds that you are right about everything are zero. 589 00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:59.920 That's why I said, if like, did you believe that everything you'll 590 00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:04.360 political party says it's true, you're full rightly, and anyone who just doesn't, 591 00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:08.559 you know, there's going to be things that your political party says that 592 00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:15.800 are at least sometimes untrue. We're inaccurate, and so you want to, 593 00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:19.559 you know, take things with a grain of salt. And I don't think 594 00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:22.199 of it too much like it's not as people think. It's sort of in 595 00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:25.719 a tribal way where you know, their political parties like their sports team and 596 00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:32.039 you can do no wrong. But but really obviously it can. It's nobody 597 00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:38.719 beasts a thousand to use this personology, so you know, so she wants 598 00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:42.400 to be prepared to accept that. Yeah, you know, I'm not saying 599 00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:45.320 you should change political parties, but that your political body will be wrong on 600 00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:49.519 some issues. You won't be disaal disagreeful on some issues. Definitely need to 601 00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:53.079 be able to criticize. These political parties are political parties because that's how they 602 00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:58.159 would change. Right, If you don't criticize, they're not going to change. 603 00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:00.719 And just one corruption, there is one human in the universe that never 604 00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:14.880 gets anything wrong. That's me. Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, 605 00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:23.639 you're stunning. I can tell. Well, I'm not completely unable to 606 00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:32.920 detect spot sarcasm, so or uh, I mean, I find, as 607 00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:37.760 you know, the old right get the less I think that I know, 608 00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:46.920 and I you know, I would say I get like the less certainly animal 609 00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:52.039 like things. And the more I realized there was roble about the stunning. 610 00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:59.519 The other thing, I encouraged people to sort of like trying to try to 611 00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:05.360 be more when minded as you get older, not less. Well, I 612 00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:07.400 know you said that you very much. You know you want to be able 613 00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:13.079 to use your free speech. But one thing your free speech does amplify it, 614 00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:15.840 and so like I know that if I you know, if I read 615 00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:22.119 an article like my my free speech in right clearly have more implement than who 616 00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:29.679 doesn't have. And you know, especially when it comes to something like saying 617 00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:35.079 you common and a lot of things like say geopolitics, right, do you 618 00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:38.400 feel a level of responsibility that comes with the influence that you hold? Do 619 00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:42.800 you? Or do you just hold yourself to the exact same standard as any 620 00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:50.760 other even on this platform. Well, I mean I try to speak my 621 00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:53.000 mind. I mean I try to say what I know, what I believe. 622 00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:58.559 Let's not say that what I believe is that's really true. It's gonna 623 00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:01.920 be around some degree. And if I am wrong, I try to correct 624 00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:07.239 it. If others haven't already corrected it, or community notes is not correcting 625 00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:12.559 it. You know, there's there's no special like I don't have the ability 626 00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:16.119 to start the community note on on my account or anyone else's. It's just 627 00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:21.480 important the community notes. All the quote is open source, all the data 628 00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:25.119 is open source, so you can recreate whether any given note will be visible, 629 00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:29.719 and so you can immediately tell if if I had a thumb on the 630 00:56:29.719 --> 00:56:32.800 sale, you could see my thumb very clearly. So these people asked me 631 00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:35.960 to get rid of a community notes, and I say, like, look, 632 00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:40.920 I literally cannot get rid of a community note on on my account or 633 00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:45.239 anyone's account. Well, you get a whole lot of them, so I 634 00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:49.000 believe you. Yeah, I've got in a bunch of community notes, So 635 00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:55.199 I mean I do. I do bost lots, So there's gonna be some 636 00:56:55.280 --> 00:57:01.320 proportionality too. It's like about a average going back batting average thing. You're 637 00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:07.000 going to have, well, community notes if you post a lot more, 638 00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:13.559 you know, like you think of like you notes or horror battles or wrongness 639 00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:17.119 is going to be. You know, if you post a thousand things and 640 00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:22.880 get tampas out of them wrong, you know you've gone one hundred wrong things. 641 00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:27.239 If you said there post only one hundred things and the wrong you only 642 00:57:27.320 --> 00:57:34.559 have ten wrong things. So you're just looking at yah seeing how many posts, 643 00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:38.239 what percentage of those we're wrong, want, how many we're all in 644 00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:45.920 the absolute? So I do much a lot, but I think generally, 645 00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:52.880 I think I think my accuracy is pretty good, right well, and they're 646 00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:54.840 your opinion, so I mean some of it. I don't think we can 647 00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:59.639 say this is right or wrong. I can vement needs, disagree with you, 648 00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:02.599 which I do, and a number of things. But but you know, 649 00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:08.920 I I there's subjective things that I can't say. You know, you're 650 00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:14.519 you're absolutely wrong and I'm absolutely right. I just believe that I'm always right. 651 00:58:14.559 --> 00:58:17.719 So that's this is another circuit. We need a sarcasm to dector device, 652 00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:23.480 Like don't you have like this company that releases like burnt hair and blow 653 00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:31.440 torches that could be like a sarcasm sarcasm director detector could be your next gadget. 654 00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:39.000 How do you feel about that? I think my idea is actually I 655 00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:44.679 think a good AI can detect sarcasm pretty well, certainly if it's if it's 656 00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:51.639 spoken. It's a little lot of to detect sarcasm in written form. So 657 00:58:52.239 --> 00:59:00.159 the tone usually it's sarcast spoken. But uh, my mother is saying is 658 00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:07.199 like every time you're sadcasting you lose a bread that happened to me a lot. 659 00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:12.039 Well do you think that Brock? Because you've mentioned that Grock is motivated 660 00:59:12.079 --> 00:59:16.599 by truth seeking curiosity, How do you think you can help? So that's 661 00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:20.480 the goal, So how do you think it can help? A platform like 662 00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:23.840 acts do you think AI can help users be more accurate in what they'd say, 663 00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:29.639 maybe by suggesting, hey, you know, this thing didn't happen in 664 00:59:29.639 --> 00:59:34.360 the year in nineteen sixty eight, it happened in nineteen seventy seven or something 665 00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:37.239 like that. One. It's a factual correction. Do you see it being 666 00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:42.679 used that way? Yeah, absolutely so. But they're used in Brock Block 667 00:59:42.719 --> 00:59:46.400 quite five, which hopefully is only a few weeks away. We'll have the 668 00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:52.519 sort of the the ability to do brought to do analysis like the one that 669 00:59:52.559 --> 01:00:00.280 says Rock analysis kind of like Wilsk analysis like the Baguin and and then Grock 670 01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:07.760 can tell you whether these the sort of look at the whole thread of what 671 01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:14.679 you know, look at an entire sort of threat of replies and sum up 672 01:00:14.719 --> 01:00:21.039 what you know. It's best guess what the truth is and if there are 673 01:00:21.039 --> 01:00:24.320 any errors, as well as to help people in creating posts, as when 674 01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:29.920 you're when you're writing a post, if you want a bit of help from 675 01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:35.800 Grock, then this should be able to know that helps you craft or check 676 01:00:35.920 --> 01:00:42.440 or enhance a post. That would be pretty useful. And and then when 677 01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:45.760 you do see a paining voice to be able to easily say, well, 678 01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:51.440 tell me what the revital to this would be and say, you know, 679 01:00:52.519 --> 01:01:00.599 yeah, that that I think will be quite useful. And yeah, we'll 680 01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:10.239 sort of errate towards something that is as helpless possible level and bringing accuracy, 681 01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:15.480 get getting into the sort of as close to the whole truth, the truth, 682 01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:19.239 the whole truth, and ideally nothing with truth and nothing but the truth. 683 01:01:19.280 --> 01:01:22.119 But it is hard, but we've at least reduce the percentage that is 684 01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:27.559 uncool. I have a competing product. I don't know if you're where. 685 01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:34.000 It's called cat GYBT. Hello, Leila, I am catchy BT and I 686 01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:40.360 grops ass mm hmmm. So it's it's the sarcastic model of AI, that's 687 01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:49.199 what it is. But in terms of like you know, obviously AI can 688 01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:52.280 be used for good for evil, and I think we're going to be seeing 689 01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:54.639 We're already seeing a lot more deep fakes. I think a lot of video 690 01:01:54.719 --> 01:02:00.719 generated content images and a lot of that is being used to influence and I 691 01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:04.599 mean there's already been so many influenced campaigns from different countries. There's been a 692 01:02:04.639 --> 01:02:07.960 lot of research on that, and today there's things that we can look at, 693 01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:09.559 we can look at AI. You know, maybe the hands that there's 694 01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:14.440 you know, six fingers. I think that's a very rare genetic disorder, 695 01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:17.119 so we can rule that out as being a real human. I think there's 696 01:02:17.159 --> 01:02:22.639 a lot of ways that we little tail signs, right, but I think 697 01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:28.800 that's going to be more and more increasingly difficult. So how do you see 698 01:02:28.840 --> 01:02:31.880 us navigating this? And are we going to be a society with zero trust 699 01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:40.079 because we can't even trust you know, a picture or video. Well, 700 01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:46.079 I think very quickly on the X system, if something is AI generated or 701 01:02:46.119 --> 01:02:50.880 true, you will see in the replies, if not in community notes that 702 01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:59.559 it is AI generator or not. I yet to be really well by, 703 01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:02.559 you know, any any significance. I think the only one that that I 704 01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:07.800 think well me was that the which I think retrospect was with Silly the Pope 705 01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:13.679 and the Papa jacket, which you know is not really going to be wearing 706 01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:17.800 a popajacket in the middle of summer in Italy. It's a good warm but 707 01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:22.000 it did look good. I don't know, I haven't really Can you think 708 01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:31.079 of some examples of uh aijerriators stuff that wasn't like immediately corrected? No, 709 01:03:31.519 --> 01:03:35.960 I think right now, I mean I wouldn't know if it wasn't immediately corrected. 710 01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:39.119 I think certain things spread for a long time until they were corrected. 711 01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:45.440 Some things were corrected, But I think as it gets better, I think 712 01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:49.760 it's going to be more difficult because social media platforms don't really have a way 713 01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:52.960 of, say, detecting that this is in the AI generated you know, 714 01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:58.880 video or image, and so that's something that leaves a lot of room for 715 01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:01.800 again falsities, and like, you know, for me, you know, 716 01:04:01.880 --> 01:04:06.960 I want I want people to make their decisions based on as much accurate information 717 01:04:08.039 --> 01:04:11.000 as they can, even if it's not the same decision that I'm making. 718 01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:17.280 In this stems in the way I think, Well, that's why I always 719 01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:25.280 usually ask for examples of things like rather than have you know, what one 720 01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:29.159 can sort of voice fake is what might happen in the future. But you 721 01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:30.320 know this, one can think of a lot of examples as a present. 722 01:04:31.079 --> 01:04:36.719 It remains simply a fear of what might happen in the future, you know, 723 01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:40.559 And if there are corey examples of the present, then perhaps there's something 724 01:04:40.599 --> 01:04:45.599 we can do about it. I'm just saying that I have rarely see some 725 01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:49.840 sort of AI generated thing that that whether there's not an immediate direction in the 726 01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:57.320 comments or a communely need. Yeah, well, I think this is something 727 01:04:57.320 --> 01:05:00.800 that a lot of people that feel about. Trying to figure altitud is not 728 01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:05.639 an easy problem to solved beyond say community, because it's going to be hard 729 01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:10.719 to identify. But one thing you said previously, he said, you know 730 01:05:10.760 --> 01:05:15.639 you really want to make X the everything app, And you know I can 731 01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:20.239 see that as being potentially also a way to be less reliant on one revenue 732 01:05:20.239 --> 01:05:27.639 stream, so advertising revenue stream, which which I think supports your your dedication 733 01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:31.519 to freedom of speech. But is there you know, is there a particular 734 01:05:31.559 --> 01:05:35.840 reason beyond that, if that's even the part of the reason. Is there 735 01:05:35.840 --> 01:05:41.800 a reason that you want X to be for everything and not just for speech 736 01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:50.000 to me, be including video, i' let's try that. What you mean, 737 01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:54.039 well, because because I know one thing, you want it to be 738 01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:58.480 able, You want people to be able to make safe financial transactions on the 739 01:05:58.519 --> 01:06:01.320 app. Then you've got brock ai, so you've got a lot of different 740 01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:06.719 elements, not just say video and spaces and text. You want it to 741 01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:13.039 do a lot more than that. So I'm wondering what the reason for that 742 01:06:13.199 --> 01:06:20.039 is. I just think it would be useful. So it's not useful, 743 01:06:20.119 --> 01:06:23.960 pia one use it, but if it is useful, they will. So 744 01:06:24.039 --> 01:06:30.719 I'm trying to make the most useful platform on the Internet. And yeah, 745 01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:38.519 so I think I think so all in one happen is pretty useful. That 746 01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:44.920 could be wrong if I'm wrong, one use it. So that's your motivation, 747 01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:50.760 is like the usefulness of things? Yeah, interesting generally, the further 748 01:06:50.840 --> 01:07:00.039 it's of civilization in pursuit of a more enlightened future. Do you see I 749 01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:05.000 mean, I think a lot of people have lost trust in institutions, and 750 01:07:05.039 --> 01:07:09.639 I think not just you know, media, but many institutions. Do you 751 01:07:09.639 --> 01:07:14.079 see a path forward where people can regain that trust? What what do you 752 01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:21.480 think can be done to do that? Well? I think people shouldn't trust 753 01:07:21.519 --> 01:07:30.480 institutions, or they should trust institutions fortunate to the accuracy what those institutions have 754 01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:36.280 said in the past. So if they are you know, if they if 755 01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:44.920 they an institution as a track record of being wrong or deceptive, then the 756 01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:49.599 reputation will you know that that reputation is that that's the reptation are going to 757 01:07:49.599 --> 01:07:57.840 have over time, and so canny given institutions group the public trust. They 758 01:07:57.880 --> 01:08:03.400 need to be more accurate than truthful, and then over time there there pat 759 01:08:03.440 --> 01:08:10.199 will improve. Now it is true that there's an asymmetryl there and that you 760 01:08:10.239 --> 01:08:17.119 can destroy reputational a lot. It's far easier to destroy a reputation for truthless 761 01:08:17.159 --> 01:08:23.359 than it is to create one. And so so if you if you saw 762 01:08:23.399 --> 01:08:26.840 it, just like a like products, if the company mature products and the 763 01:08:26.840 --> 01:08:33.000 product quality suffers, even briefly, it takes a long time with four consumers 764 01:08:33.520 --> 01:08:39.640 believe you gain about your product quality. You know, like the American water 765 01:08:39.640 --> 01:08:44.880 industry had that problem where the quality of cars was just fearner to Jafese cars 766 01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:49.680 in the nearly eighties and nineties, and it took really a few decades before 767 01:08:50.279 --> 01:08:57.399 that perception was of American wires something worse. Quality was stressed. And it 768 01:08:57.960 --> 01:09:00.920 might even not probably not even today. It's playing not full the rest. 769 01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:06.239 So you know, well said you can take a lot of time to buil 770 01:09:06.239 --> 01:09:10.560 a reputation, five minutes to destroy it. I think that's three. It 771 01:09:10.640 --> 01:09:15.600 extreme, but let's play extree point of view. But it's somethin part easier 772 01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:20.119 to damage a reputation of truth than to create one. No, absolutely. 773 01:09:20.239 --> 01:09:26.119 And the problem also with institutions is that to function properly as a society, 774 01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:29.720 we do need a level of trust or it just kind of falls apart, 775 01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:33.159 so it becomes you know, it's a difficult thing to solve when you lose 776 01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:39.119 that trust regaining it. It's just incredibly difficult also in terms of trust or 777 01:09:39.199 --> 01:09:43.239 reputation. As you said, you know, because I've been researching this for 778 01:09:43.399 --> 01:09:48.159 my book. You know, I was one thing that is really incredibly important 779 01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:54.359 that because we all have this digital footprint nowadays, right where whereas if your 780 01:09:54.439 --> 01:09:57.479 reputation was destroyed in the past, you can move to a new town, 781 01:09:58.199 --> 01:10:00.399 you know, change your name, or move to a new town and maybe 782 01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:04.319 start over. If there were newspaper articles about you, they would sort of 783 01:10:04.399 --> 01:10:08.840 vanished in a couple of weeks and that's it. And now, because everything 784 01:10:08.920 --> 01:10:13.079 is digital, anything that's ever said about you is now forever and follows you 785 01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:18.359 everywhere. That makes it really really difficult for people, particularly when they're targeted 786 01:10:18.439 --> 01:10:24.800 for those things or even genuine as deeds that maybe they shouldn't have a lifetime 787 01:10:25.039 --> 01:10:31.039 of suffering from. Well I know what, I don't know what to do 788 01:10:31.119 --> 01:10:35.159 about that. It is true that uh, you know, what you say 789 01:10:35.159 --> 01:10:41.560 on the internet lost forever, so very we'll just need to be a little 790 01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:46.159 more forgiving. Uh, you know, somebody's made a wrong tweet what I 791 01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:53.880 am about most ten years ago that you know, a little big. Maybe 792 01:10:53.880 --> 01:10:56.760 we should just all them to be a little more for giving of such things, 793 01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:02.079 you know, when should some people shouldn't be canceled for. And in 794 01:11:02.199 --> 01:11:04.680 fact, for a while they have people who are medias were being canceled for 795 01:11:05.800 --> 01:11:13.279 you know, tweeted it thirteen years ago, which is absurd. So you 796 01:11:13.319 --> 01:11:17.960 know, everyone has what moments or where they you know, poor something, 797 01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:27.520 perhaps when they're in a bad just a really bad state of mind or you 798 01:11:27.600 --> 01:11:30.760 know, I don't know. I think we should have some forgiveness, especially 799 01:11:30.800 --> 01:11:38.520 if people apologize what they are, you know, the demoships a forgiveness there. 800 01:11:39.560 --> 01:11:43.760 I mean, I will say, apologize if you Jennine Johnson being wrong, 801 01:11:43.840 --> 01:11:49.640 they needed Johnson being wrong, Never apologize book. I think it's if 802 01:11:51.800 --> 01:11:57.520 yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, I don't think you should apologize 803 01:11:57.560 --> 01:12:00.720 if if there's something you used to it when I was just genuous to progest 804 01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:10.720 with something that you aren't actually sorry about. So but you know, yeah, 805 01:12:10.760 --> 01:12:15.359 you should be disast in your apology. It's uh. I mean, 806 01:12:15.359 --> 01:12:19.359 we're all just human here and you let's make mistakes. You know, to 807 01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:30.159 err is human. So if you know, sometimes we say things in a 808 01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:35.439 hurry or in a like I said the best say in my animal without initially 809 01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:42.640 knowing all the facts. But then if you subsequently correct yourself, I think 810 01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:47.159 we should accept that. Yeah. I think people often say listen, it's 811 01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:53.680 it's it's accountability culture, and I think the difference there is I think people 812 01:12:53.720 --> 01:12:56.800 should be accountable for the words and their actions. I certainly don't think they 813 01:12:56.880 --> 01:13:00.840 should be you know, unaccountable for everything. How whoever, you know, 814 01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:06.079 it gives bred and said something and they said something a little off, we 815 01:13:06.159 --> 01:13:11.479 would have a little bit of grace. And so people get to the stuck 816 01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:16.039 with the respons of the next day, forever and ever and whatever quite disproportunately 817 01:13:16.159 --> 01:13:20.279 often times. So that is I think that is a big issue. I 818 01:13:20.359 --> 01:13:29.680 think as a society, like you know, in prisons, right Viole. 819 01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:41.680 But also because some really duncan and we're also could be you know, organ 820 01:13:42.039 --> 01:13:45.479 sentence should be impeding to the cine. And so I think we look at 821 01:13:45.720 --> 01:13:53.880 sociding the same ms from infancy, so that is I think it's very similar. 822 01:13:54.199 --> 01:14:00.479 People. You could probably have a similar approach to that. Okay, 823 01:14:00.479 --> 01:14:14.079 it's true. Okay, all right, you can disagree and child all right. 824 01:14:15.560 --> 01:14:18.039 Well, I'm wondering this is probably a very we're airing at. But 825 01:14:18.279 --> 01:14:23.000 I know that people worry about the lot a lot. I'm worried about gene 826 01:14:23.119 --> 01:14:35.039 editing, and I'm wondering, you know, it's something that isn't all why 827 01:14:36.520 --> 01:14:46.680 you see all that? I'm sorry, I think the connection is unfortunately a 828 01:14:46.720 --> 01:14:51.880 little. I think it's maybe it was maybe it's me. Can you hear 829 01:14:51.960 --> 01:14:57.600 me better now or no? Yeah, okay, I was just asking about 830 01:14:57.680 --> 01:15:00.760 gene editing and your thoughts on that. It's as far as you know, 831 01:15:00.239 --> 01:15:05.560 editing designer babies as opposed to just dealing with health consequences, like does that 832 01:15:05.800 --> 01:15:17.680 change our humanity? Well, it takes a long time to break human I 833 01:15:17.720 --> 01:15:25.199 mean it's twenty years, so I don't worry too much about gene modification there, 834 01:15:25.359 --> 01:15:28.039 and like somebody making super soldiers, it will take far too long. 835 01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:31.960 AI is moving at you know, artificial just moving so much faster than hes 836 01:15:31.960 --> 01:15:36.920 to blessed to grow up. So I think that's that's really the thing to 837 01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:43.000 be concerned about, not whether we're doing g editing to make people a bit 838 01:15:43.079 --> 01:15:49.199 smarter or make their nit with simple soldiers. Right, I have one last 839 01:15:49.359 --> 01:15:53.439 question for you. I don't know, and I know I've taken a lot 840 01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:55.760 of time, so I don't want to keep you. I don't know if 841 01:15:55.760 --> 01:16:01.000 you have any time to take a couple of audience questions. Okay, great, 842 01:16:01.119 --> 01:16:05.119 I'll ask you one question and then we'll go to the a few audience 843 01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:11.079 numbers. So my question is, if you could solve one problem, what 844 01:16:11.199 --> 01:16:30.439 would it be? I guess I tried it at here in intelligence dramatical Uh 845 01:16:31.600 --> 01:16:36.319 just I guess way of magic? Want to just make everyone like ten times? 846 01:16:36.359 --> 01:16:42.279 Why do I will do that? I quite like this one. Actually, 847 01:16:43.800 --> 01:16:47.640 I actually, weirdly enough kind of like that answer, Sarah, Do 848 01:16:47.720 --> 01:16:51.439 you have a question? Thank you so fun of you all the time. 849 01:16:51.600 --> 01:16:58.039 So I am, and she's she's a good person for bringing me up. 850 01:16:59.680 --> 01:17:04.000 Calf and asked you earlier about you wanting to make X the everything app. 851 01:17:04.680 --> 01:17:10.439 Where do you see X in a year? Do you see it largely the 852 01:17:10.600 --> 01:17:17.119 same or will it be a completely different user experience in a year? And 853 01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:23.520 I don't think it's gonna be completely different, but I will. You'll simply 854 01:17:23.560 --> 01:17:29.600 see a lot more features of functionality. I think we'll have audio video calling, 855 01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:36.199 group group audio video calling, screen sharing, and all things that want 856 01:17:36.199 --> 01:17:41.680 it stant to this sort of expect from say it you know, a signal 857 01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:48.199 or WhatsApp or whatever. I think will be a ideally a wide range of 858 01:17:48.680 --> 01:17:56.159 financial services, and hey it's and beyond. We'll see a lot more local 859 01:17:56.279 --> 01:18:01.760 content love wal video us, the mortons to search with thein the excess and 860 01:18:02.079 --> 01:18:10.479 dramatical better. The recommendations, well, the sort of for you recommendations, 861 01:18:11.000 --> 01:18:16.720 where I recently moved to AI based recon emotions that just give new content that's 862 01:18:16.720 --> 01:18:24.279 not all compelling than uh we the heuristics or rules of thumb based content recommendations. 863 01:18:24.600 --> 01:18:27.039 So what we have, what what what what? What we've been doing 864 01:18:27.079 --> 01:18:31.159 over the past year or so is increasingly not evolved, but AI that has 865 01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:38.520 evolving. The recommended for you posts, which I think people are generally responded 866 01:18:38.560 --> 01:18:43.800 well to. I think people most people do that the the recommendations are quite 867 01:18:43.840 --> 01:18:47.720 compelling, and they'll do a bit more are compelling. May I ask one 868 01:18:47.800 --> 01:18:51.680 more quick thing, Oh, I'm sorry I cut you off. Yeah, 869 01:18:51.680 --> 01:18:56.199 and to I tell me, if you just agree with ada, and I 870 01:18:56.279 --> 01:19:00.720 would like to have you found the recommendations and the for you be you know, 871 01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:06.079 more compelling than say a year ago. I would say that the for 872 01:19:06.359 --> 01:19:12.359 you still need some work. Some of the things that I'm recommended, I 873 01:19:12.479 --> 01:19:18.399 wouldn't say are they would be wasted user minutes as as you say at times. 874 01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:25.600 But I think it has gotten better what I really liked and Catherine and 875 01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:31.399 I used it the other day. We used the ex calling feature and our 876 01:19:31.520 --> 01:19:36.680 sound quality was great, the video worked great. It worked better for me 877 01:19:36.800 --> 01:19:43.359 than WhatsApp or signal. Do you see people do you see wanting people to 878 01:19:43.560 --> 01:19:47.520 use that option more. You talked about not using your cell phone in the 879 01:19:47.640 --> 01:19:56.640 future and only taking calls on X. Will you truly do that? I'll 880 01:19:56.720 --> 01:20:02.199 try, Uh, yeah, I will try. I mean, the best 881 01:20:02.239 --> 01:20:06.920 way to improve a project to use it. And if it's you know this, 882 01:20:08.079 --> 01:20:11.479 I think there's still a lot of functionality we need to improve about our 883 01:20:11.520 --> 01:20:18.000 what everyday calling and yeah, that so I think. So I'm not gonna 884 01:20:18.279 --> 01:20:25.479 batter my friend the quite yet, but I'm you know, hopefully, I 885 01:20:25.560 --> 01:20:28.359 think I'll be able to just write when over around the middle of this year, 886 01:20:29.319 --> 01:20:39.800 and uh, yep, yeah, And I've been using the X what 887 01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:44.079 do you every day? Calling more and more of the past few weeks, 888 01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:48.720 and definitely things read to improved, but it's works pretty well as as you 889 01:20:48.800 --> 01:20:59.520 experience. Thank you, Aaron, I, thanks Elon for doing the space 890 01:20:59.560 --> 01:21:01.840 with Catherine, and thank you also for what you've done for free speech on 891 01:21:01.920 --> 01:21:08.439 this platform. I'm one of the private poaintiffs in the Missouri b Biden censorship 892 01:21:08.520 --> 01:21:13.359 lawsuit that's currently before the Supreme Court. We'll have oral arguments on March eighteen. 893 01:21:14.600 --> 01:21:16.640 I co played the jay about Chariti. I think is one of the 894 01:21:16.720 --> 01:21:21.239 scientists that you know, so I appreciate you opening things up with the Twitter 895 01:21:21.319 --> 01:21:28.199 files to those journalists. And the platform certainly hasn't proved since you've taken over. 896 01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:32.359 I have noticed, however, since you stepped down as CEO, and 897 01:21:32.439 --> 01:21:39.640 I understand why you've got a lot of companies to run that Twitter two point 898 01:21:39.680 --> 01:21:45.600 zero has maybe reverted to Twitter one point eight one point seven, closer to 899 01:21:45.319 --> 01:21:51.720 what it was before you purchased it. And I also know my own reading 900 01:21:51.800 --> 01:21:57.600 of this is some of it's personnel, but some of it is also just 901 01:21:59.079 --> 01:22:06.119 machine learning that has been outsourced to third parties and the sort of accumulated code 902 01:22:06.600 --> 01:22:13.439 that you can't exactly wipe the slate clean and start over with a blank slate. 903 01:22:15.239 --> 01:22:18.119 Given just sort of the nature of this platform and the accumulated history of 904 01:22:18.159 --> 01:22:23.840 the platform, I guess my question for you is what can be done about 905 01:22:24.680 --> 01:22:33.640 the but the continued suppression of speech on this platform there is less a function 906 01:22:33.840 --> 01:22:40.680 maybe of the current personnel, and more a function of old code that has 907 01:22:40.760 --> 01:22:48.319 been encrusted into the system. Do you have a game plan to sort of 908 01:22:48.439 --> 01:22:56.520 clean that up in such a way that the playing field truly becomes level and 909 01:22:56.640 --> 01:23:00.319 we're no longer seeing things like a follower cap based on content that is constitutionally 910 01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:05.479 protected speech I'm not I'm not talking about and I will not defend speech that 911 01:23:05.640 --> 01:23:12.000 is not constitutionally protected, but constitutionally protected speech you know, where it's really 912 01:23:12.119 --> 01:23:15.720 just viewpoint discrimination. I think Twitter has come a long way under your leadership. 913 01:23:16.239 --> 01:23:19.199 I would like to see it go sort of all the way under your 914 01:23:19.279 --> 01:23:24.479 leadership, But I understand that's a sure, that's a pretty gargantuan task, 915 01:23:25.319 --> 01:23:28.319 and so I just like to get your sense of the lay of the land 916 01:23:28.840 --> 01:23:33.000 and what war can still be done to make this sort of the best free 917 01:23:33.039 --> 01:23:36.920 speech platform. Well, it is the best free speech platform out there, 918 01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:42.319 but a better free speech platform that might not be a high bar. Actually 919 01:23:42.439 --> 01:23:49.920 yeah, yeah, that's right. Well, you know what short, just 920 01:23:50.039 --> 01:23:55.439 the team and I will be some things more. I mean I do. 921 01:23:55.760 --> 01:24:02.359 I do still run product development, excluding the recommendation engine. And you know, 922 01:24:02.560 --> 01:24:06.680 I'm not sort of picking on individual accounts to remote at all, but 923 01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:14.840 ever, but rather the just try to improve the quality of recommendations that people 924 01:24:14.960 --> 01:24:20.000 find it need to improve the signal's noise that you're getting content that you find 925 01:24:20.079 --> 01:24:26.600 to be interesting, informative, funny and as opposed to you know, boring 926 01:24:26.800 --> 01:24:33.840 or wrong. So any any inface you can give me that would help me 927 01:24:33.880 --> 01:24:40.279 in that task will be appreciated. Is there anything you just send me a 928 01:24:40.279 --> 01:24:43.039 specific any anything like if you're in my position, what would you do? 929 01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:47.239 Yeah, well, just from my own personal experience, you know, once 930 01:24:47.279 --> 01:24:50.079 you get a feel for this app, and if you're posting a lot, 931 01:24:50.359 --> 01:24:54.880 you can sort of set get a sense of what the algorithm is up to. 932 01:24:55.039 --> 01:24:59.479 Visa be your account, and you know, I experienced a really hard 933 01:24:59.479 --> 01:25:05.039 and fast under Twitter one point zero that really got lifted and there was a 934 01:25:05.359 --> 01:25:11.520 totally different feel on the platform within I would say a month or two of 935 01:25:11.600 --> 01:25:15.000 you taking over and a lot of the firings that happened, and a lot 936 01:25:15.039 --> 01:25:18.119 of the cleaning house. But you know, once again, I feel myself 937 01:25:18.279 --> 01:25:24.640 under a follower cap and I'm tweeting mostly about censorship and free speech, and 938 01:25:24.720 --> 01:25:30.000 I'm focusing my research and my writing mostly on censorship and free speech. And 939 01:25:30.039 --> 01:25:35.520 you know, I wonder what is still at work on this platform such that 940 01:25:35.840 --> 01:25:42.960 people like Jay or me or my other co plaintiffs in the case, credible 941 01:25:43.039 --> 01:25:47.920 doctors and scientists who have, you know, credible opinions, and you know, 942 01:25:47.960 --> 01:25:54.760 are extra considerable influence now with this this case that many believe is the 943 01:25:54.800 --> 01:25:59.760 most important free speech case of our generation because it's related to this new media 944 01:26:00.039 --> 01:26:02.600 for media that you and Catherine have been talking about. And you know, 945 01:26:02.680 --> 01:26:08.520 I can't say for sure why that is happening, but something in the algorithm 946 01:26:08.960 --> 01:26:15.159 is putting its thumb on the scales continuously when you talk about certain controversial issues, 947 01:26:15.880 --> 01:26:20.920 and that may be old stuff deeply embedded within. You know that the 948 01:26:21.239 --> 01:26:27.479 functioning of the algorithm. It may be stuff that's been added since you came 949 01:26:27.600 --> 01:26:31.800 on. I'm not a coder. I'm not a computer scientist, although my 950 01:26:31.920 --> 01:26:35.960 father was. So I can't tell you exactly what's going on because I don't 951 01:26:36.239 --> 01:26:39.640 have access to the code, and even if I did, I don't know 952 01:26:39.760 --> 01:26:42.720 that I would be able to interpret it. But I can't tell you as 953 01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:46.359 a frequent user of this platform and as someone who's involved and you know, 954 01:26:46.479 --> 01:26:49.840 in the crossairs, so to speak, because I'm a plaintiff in a major 955 01:26:49.960 --> 01:26:55.000 free speech case and i've I'm probably among the plaintiffs, the one who's written 956 01:26:55.079 --> 01:27:01.720 and published most about Missouri b Biden that some things restarted again after you took 957 01:27:01.800 --> 01:27:08.079 over. I don't know why. I don't know if it's human or machine 958 01:27:08.159 --> 01:27:13.680 learning based, but I'm really keen to get at the bottom of it, 959 01:27:14.399 --> 01:27:17.199 and you know, happy to talk to you offline if that would be helpful 960 01:27:17.319 --> 01:27:20.920 to try to give you a sense of my own experience on the platform. 961 01:27:24.920 --> 01:27:32.920 Okay, yeah, I'm looking at your car right now. So okay, 962 01:27:32.960 --> 01:27:44.079 So one of the changes we're making that should go live soon is in the 963 01:27:44.159 --> 01:27:50.159 recommended to you were over. We're WCE and I think a lot of people 964 01:27:50.199 --> 01:27:56.279 may have noticed this. Often there would be from accounts that you follow, 965 01:27:57.279 --> 01:28:02.319 I don't interact with, you would see almost no content accounts that you follow 966 01:28:02.399 --> 01:28:09.000 but don't interact with. That's because we that's because we over we overweighted interaction, 967 01:28:11.199 --> 01:28:15.720 interpreting interaction as well. You like, you like, liking or flying 968 01:28:15.279 --> 01:28:18.279 to an account, and so we're going to show you a whole bunch more 969 01:28:18.359 --> 01:28:25.640 stuff that you you interact with. And but but but but there are a 970 01:28:25.680 --> 01:28:30.119 lot of accounts that who will follow that they don't interact with. They follow 971 01:28:30.199 --> 01:28:35.239 that account for just to learn things. In fact, for a lot of 972 01:28:35.399 --> 01:28:43.720 publications they will follow say a magazine or or newsormalization, not with the interesting, 973 01:28:43.800 --> 01:28:45.239 not not with the idea of commenting or liking or anything, but just 974 01:28:45.319 --> 01:28:51.159 because they wish to see upward from that news organization from that person. And 975 01:28:51.760 --> 01:28:59.720 so we're just in the algorithm actually to include on more of things that you 976 01:29:00.039 --> 01:29:05.479 all of it don't interact with. That should help. And that actually is 977 01:29:06.199 --> 01:29:12.960 like for some for some content where people perhaps afraid to comment on it because 978 01:29:14.439 --> 01:29:19.760 you know that this may be a medical, spicy content where if somebody doesn't 979 01:29:19.800 --> 01:29:26.640 want to say anything because they're they're afraid that they may be judged by saying 980 01:29:26.680 --> 01:29:30.079 something. Will like you for the thing, right, so that I think 981 01:29:30.159 --> 01:29:39.399 that should help. So I think just sort of like, if we're not 982 01:29:39.479 --> 01:29:41.720 seeing I proven in the next week, week or two, just lett me 983 01:29:41.760 --> 01:29:45.720 know, because this should go a live I think probably next week. It's 984 01:29:45.720 --> 01:29:48.319 certainly not more than two weeks from now, and that should help a lot 985 01:29:48.359 --> 01:29:56.800 of accounts that we'll say interesting things, but where people don't turn often interact. 986 01:29:57.800 --> 01:30:00.560 That makes sense. Yeah, thank you, that's helpful to know. 987 01:30:00.640 --> 01:30:05.039 I'll keep an eye on things. Thanks. Think we'll go to your boys 988 01:30:05.119 --> 01:30:13.560 doppel ganger next that apparently Alex Jones thinks, is you to prove Alex Jones 989 01:30:13.600 --> 01:30:16.920 thinks this Yeah, this is part two. You've met me at least three 990 01:30:17.000 --> 01:30:23.520 times. You're about to dive laughter, aren't you. It's me again? 991 01:30:24.159 --> 01:30:29.000 Yeah, this is this is part three. That's what. There's nothing, 992 01:30:29.560 --> 01:30:31.880 honestly, there's nothing better than to hear you loft as much like I can 993 01:30:32.000 --> 01:30:35.079 only imagine they're kind of stressed around there. Yeah, yeah, dude, 994 01:30:35.560 --> 01:30:40.279 for the past couple of weeks, I've been I basically, oh god, 995 01:30:40.359 --> 01:30:55.439 I count this. There's eight billion people on Earth. Yeah, there's someone 996 01:30:55.479 --> 01:31:00.359 who sounds like you so much, and you are that person. Yes, 997 01:31:00.760 --> 01:31:05.000 it gets worse, It gets worse, It gets so much worse, it 998 01:31:05.119 --> 01:31:11.319 gets so much worse. I don't believe you're about me. Yeah, that's 999 01:31:11.359 --> 01:31:15.239 the theory. That's the theory people think. People think I'm legitimately or a 1000 01:31:15.279 --> 01:31:18.439 clone. There's been theories that that I'm one of your neuralink experiments. Can 1001 01:31:18.479 --> 01:31:21.560 you like clarify that I'm not one of your neuralink experiments? Or maybe I 1002 01:31:21.640 --> 01:31:27.239 am and I wouldn't realize it. Okay, because that touch vast. How 1003 01:31:27.279 --> 01:31:34.199 are your monkeys? How are your that was a test subject. Well. 1004 01:31:34.239 --> 01:31:36.920 The weird thing is you even asked questions in the way that I would ask 1005 01:31:38.039 --> 01:31:47.680 questions autism, why someone's sense of humor? It's eerie. Yeah, And 1006 01:31:48.520 --> 01:31:56.560 I still remember the first time. Oh god, I still remember the first 1007 01:31:56.640 --> 01:32:00.880 time. I still remember the first time when I the first time I found 1008 01:32:00.880 --> 01:32:05.279 out about you was actually in early twenty sixteen, and this is when I 1009 01:32:05.359 --> 01:32:11.159 watched SpaceX Rockets rocket Engine experimentations on YouTube. I was like, Man, 1010 01:32:11.239 --> 01:32:13.840 this is the cool I've ever seen. It's going to be acting all day 1011 01:32:14.000 --> 01:32:16.199 and a significant other actually showed me a video clip of you and said, 1012 01:32:16.199 --> 01:32:18.560 hey, bra, this guy sounds like an older version of view. I'm 1013 01:32:18.560 --> 01:32:20.880 like, what do you talk about here? This guy look at me's talking 1014 01:32:20.880 --> 01:32:26.359 about hydrogen. What do you mean he's talking about hydrogen. I listened to 1015 01:32:26.439 --> 01:32:29.640 this and I was like, what is going on? So this is the 1016 01:32:29.680 --> 01:32:32.960 first time I realized that something's up quite right with this world. Probably is 1017 01:32:33.039 --> 01:32:35.760 like a bug in the simulation, And even if there was one, I'm 1018 01:32:35.760 --> 01:32:40.520 pretty sure I cause a lot of disruption recently. As I'm as I'm sure 1019 01:32:40.560 --> 01:32:44.079 you're aware, there's a mass meltdown. There's like an account that's doing rage 1020 01:32:44.119 --> 01:32:48.319 farming, so like it's so good. Like these people, what they've done 1021 01:32:48.399 --> 01:32:53.560 is they're trying to pin on you that you've suspended an account because a targeted 1022 01:32:54.039 --> 01:32:57.680 A did target harassment, but was not suspended. They actually deactivated their account. 1023 01:32:57.960 --> 01:33:00.399 Now I tried to do rage farm me. Now they're going to read 1024 01:33:00.399 --> 01:33:02.239 it on the news everywhere. Be like, dude, I'm complimenting yourself. 1025 01:33:02.760 --> 01:33:06.560 It's like the stupidest thing I've ever seen. I was gonna let it happen, 1026 01:33:06.960 --> 01:33:10.319 but then I said, you know what, I don't want I don't 1027 01:33:10.359 --> 01:33:15.760 want I don't want a Thermo. I don't want thermo nuclear warfare just yet. 1028 01:33:15.960 --> 01:33:19.239 For me. I like that. I'm not gonna have that this ever 1029 01:33:19.319 --> 01:33:23.199 since yesterday, Eve though, I do diabol series everything. It's all over 1030 01:33:23.239 --> 01:33:28.600 the place. It's inescapable now, it's it's so weird, it's it's terrible. 1031 01:33:30.640 --> 01:33:34.000 I like a uniquely gazed like. I mean, I'll get pictures with 1032 01:33:34.079 --> 01:33:38.279 you, like, what do you look like? I've seen, I've seen, 1033 01:33:40.600 --> 01:33:44.640 I've seen Adrian. He could he could be twin. I mean I 1034 01:33:44.680 --> 01:33:49.479 couldn't. I could d M you, dude, Dude, I could d 1035 01:33:49.640 --> 01:33:54.159 M you. If you enable enable access, I'll tell you everything you need 1036 01:33:54.199 --> 01:33:58.880 to know five minutes. I'll tell you everything, if you're interested, if 1037 01:33:58.880 --> 01:34:02.600 you're interested. With you guys revealing each other, that would be pretty fun. 1038 01:34:02.640 --> 01:34:08.359 Oh god, yes, we should also get that guy from China. 1039 01:34:09.000 --> 01:34:11.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been thinking about this guy. That would 1040 01:34:11.880 --> 01:34:14.640 be the weirdest thing ever. That's the Holy Trifactor, you know, the 1041 01:34:14.720 --> 01:34:23.199 Holy Trinity for three of you. Yeah. I don't know is that guy 1042 01:34:23.359 --> 01:34:27.600 real? Because that guy, I'm not sure. Maybe maybe he has had 1043 01:34:27.640 --> 01:34:31.560 some facial modifications. He looks strikingly real, I would say, I mean 1044 01:34:31.840 --> 01:34:35.920 he fakes maybe because the resolution is kind of ship. But I don't know, 1045 01:34:36.199 --> 01:34:40.039 you know, I don't know that there are vary as many say, 1046 01:34:40.119 --> 01:34:42.680 say Elvis, Elvis in person, I was out there right and they would 1047 01:34:43.079 --> 01:34:46.479 modify their facial structure to look like him. So I think maybe we're seeing 1048 01:34:47.000 --> 01:34:49.800 a similar case. I mean, they're they're really advanced down there in China, 1049 01:34:50.079 --> 01:34:54.439 especially in the medical field. So like maybe, I don't know, 1050 01:34:54.640 --> 01:34:57.439 it would be really good trol, good for propaganda too. I would do 1051 01:34:57.520 --> 01:35:00.760 it. Oh boy, you guys. Yeah, yeah that, I mean, 1052 01:35:02.119 --> 01:35:05.000 that would really people out. Yeah, I mean it's perfect too. 1053 01:35:05.159 --> 01:35:10.760 But yeah, I mean, I mean it's one work pavillion people that try 1054 01:35:10.800 --> 01:35:12.880 it. If you take the person and try that looks most like me, 1055 01:35:12.880 --> 01:35:17.800 it probably looks pretty close. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, 1056 01:35:19.000 --> 01:35:21.479 honestly, I have to have to say, just like to get this out 1057 01:35:21.520 --> 01:35:25.199 of the out of the gate, I really enjoy this platform. I honestly 1058 01:35:25.239 --> 01:35:27.720 don't understand why a lot of people complain about it. I feel like it's 1059 01:35:27.760 --> 01:35:30.840 about how you use it and what to use it for. Like it may 1060 01:35:31.239 --> 01:35:35.039 I use basically every feature on the platform except for of course, community notes, 1061 01:35:35.079 --> 01:35:38.159 and you know some of the newer features like articles and such. I 1062 01:35:38.199 --> 01:35:41.319 don't have access to that, and I have to. I mean I do 1063 01:35:41.680 --> 01:35:45.920 a spaces practically eight hours a day, three times a week. I do 1064 01:35:45.479 --> 01:35:47.840 yeah, yeah, all the time, all the time. It's nice. 1065 01:35:48.000 --> 01:35:51.800 I like to use it for information gathering and dissemination. It's like, imagine 1066 01:35:51.840 --> 01:35:56.720 your brain like a like a machine learning algorithm. You just need a lot 1067 01:35:56.760 --> 01:35:59.560 of data and then you need to curate out of the noise of value. 1068 01:36:00.119 --> 01:36:01.880 You find the diamonds in the rough. That's essentially what I do. And 1069 01:36:01.960 --> 01:36:04.840 I do this quite a lot. That's amazing. We find cool stuff out. 1070 01:36:05.000 --> 01:36:10.000 We coverlet of the then we covered your earning school. Your mother was 1071 01:36:10.039 --> 01:36:14.600 in there, and that was so weird. W wait, talk you talk 1072 01:36:14.640 --> 01:36:16.680 to my What do my mom think? I have no idea. She was 1073 01:36:16.760 --> 01:36:19.359 just listening there, just just sitting and we were having a discussion of the 1074 01:36:19.399 --> 01:36:23.800 inning school. She was just sitting in there. She didn't hear me much 1075 01:36:23.800 --> 01:36:27.079 because I didn't want to interrupt in the conversation. And also I was scared 1076 01:36:27.119 --> 01:36:32.439 shirtless. No, I was really going to trip out my mom. Oh 1077 01:36:32.560 --> 01:36:43.479 yeah, oh yeah, I mean sure, how's a how's your kid doing? 1078 01:36:43.640 --> 01:36:49.279 I hear he's a little active in the background. There, did do 1079 01:36:49.359 --> 01:36:54.439 it? Fine? Yeah, I'll just I'll just text my mom's away. 1080 01:36:56.000 --> 01:37:02.800 This would be the greatest thing ever if you write your mother in. I 1081 01:37:02.920 --> 01:37:11.239 mean, I have to be he said, I that's a Hello World because 1082 01:37:11.239 --> 01:37:18.159 I have a simulation Adrian Dippman. Catherine's trying to speak, but you are 1083 01:37:18.399 --> 01:37:27.840 the loudest person on stage, my friend, that's my design. I have 1084 01:37:27.880 --> 01:37:33.760 a terrible microphone. It's cool. I don't know. But Elon Junior over 1085 01:37:33.840 --> 01:37:39.720 there be quiet for Catherine. Thank you, Sarah. This is why Sarah's 1086 01:37:40.279 --> 01:37:43.239 you know Loyle. She makes fun of me, she bullies me, but 1087 01:37:43.359 --> 01:37:46.960 she has my back, which I but Elon just said that that's my free 1088 01:37:47.039 --> 01:37:50.000 speech and I can bully you if I want, as long as it's legal. 1089 01:37:50.640 --> 01:37:57.479 Did you say that. Yeah, i'd specifically say bully, but I 1090 01:37:57.560 --> 01:38:06.439 guess technically that just the records of space speed space for Mayne. Well, 1091 01:38:06.560 --> 01:38:10.520 I know Nora has a question, So well, let's go to Nora and 1092 01:38:10.640 --> 01:38:15.880 then hopefully your mom can join and hear. You're doppelganger. You're twenty, 1093 01:38:15.359 --> 01:38:20.960 you're young, doppelganger. I mean is it tripping everyone else? This is 1094 01:38:21.079 --> 01:38:26.840 really funny, trips literally everyone else on the platform out. It's so weird 1095 01:38:27.720 --> 01:38:30.960 awkward, I'm gonna get all aerious again. Well, I actually wanted to 1096 01:38:30.039 --> 01:38:33.880 ask about the Starship launch because I just read an article that came out saying 1097 01:38:33.920 --> 01:38:40.319 that they're looking at Cape Canaveral as a potential uh location for the Starship launch. 1098 01:38:40.399 --> 01:38:44.399 And I know, since they do an environmental impact assessment and blah blah 1099 01:38:44.399 --> 01:38:47.760 blah and public comment because it's that's the government for you, that that happens 1100 01:38:47.800 --> 01:38:51.840 in March. But do you have any idea or like, any plans do 1101 01:38:51.880 --> 01:38:58.800 you think or estimation of one a potential launch date would be, and are 1102 01:38:58.840 --> 01:39:00.720 you excited, like do you have hopes for the mission? And do you 1103 01:39:00.760 --> 01:39:12.319 feel like we're a lot closer to getting to Mars. Yeah, I think 1104 01:39:12.359 --> 01:39:14.760 we've I don't want to drink it, which have faith here, but I 1105 01:39:14.840 --> 01:39:21.640 think the probability of reaching all of it is good eighty percent with this third 1106 01:39:21.680 --> 01:39:29.680 flight. It's certainly the third flight is a much better rocket than flights one 1107 01:39:29.760 --> 01:39:38.479 or two, so you know, but there's always you can't have too much 1108 01:39:38.560 --> 01:39:44.399 luck in a rugged launch. But we're getting ready three Flight three probably about 1109 01:39:44.520 --> 01:39:54.079 so I think probably I guess the second week of watch normally it's like Watch 1110 01:39:54.159 --> 01:39:57.600 eight. We're trying to get it to be throtter than Watch eight. But 1111 01:39:57.800 --> 01:40:00.640 so my guess has happened sometimes at some point in the first half of next 1112 01:40:00.720 --> 01:40:09.880 month, and then flight four is ready shortly thereafter. So the operation of 1113 01:40:09.920 --> 01:40:13.199 the how does that affect the probability of success? Like in your opinion or 1114 01:40:13.279 --> 01:40:15.279 what? What is it about? You know, having a different location that 1115 01:40:15.479 --> 01:40:23.079 may you know, help with the outcome. But well, it's as two 1116 01:40:23.159 --> 01:40:27.439 things. That's uh, there's flight three, which is got hundreds of improvements 1117 01:40:27.439 --> 01:40:30.560 from flight two that just increased the probably success of flight three. But but 1118 01:40:31.560 --> 01:40:35.880 we and we will establish a second launch sided Cake Narvel. It's not to 1119 01:40:35.960 --> 01:40:44.479 the conclusion of Starbase in South Texas, but it's in addition to so we're 1120 01:40:44.520 --> 01:40:49.960 gonna be launching a lot ideally wrong both Cake Canaveral and from South Texas. 1121 01:40:50.560 --> 01:40:55.239 And we may at some point look at having a probably will at some point 1122 01:40:55.479 --> 01:41:00.880 at having a third. Let's go to you. How's your responded to the 1123 01:41:00.000 --> 01:41:03.359 text? Now that like, can we get back to not being serious? 1124 01:41:04.479 --> 01:41:12.159 Oh? I sent you yeah, I sent you an image of myself, 1125 01:41:12.199 --> 01:41:14.800 so what I look like. Obviously, don't shout that around. I don't. 1126 01:41:15.159 --> 01:41:19.199 I don't quite want that heat yet. It's like a there's a lot 1127 01:41:19.239 --> 01:41:24.640 of things that would happen. Okay, well you don't. Okay, we 1128 01:41:24.920 --> 01:41:28.960 don't. Don't we don't look exactly the same, no, no, no, 1129 01:41:29.079 --> 01:41:35.800 no. Yeah, you look different from me, yes, different different. 1130 01:41:35.800 --> 01:41:39.319 It's kind of like a kind of like almost an opposite thing. This 1131 01:41:39.520 --> 01:41:42.680 is a relatively older photo. I take a photo of myself now, but 1132 01:41:42.760 --> 01:41:45.159 I look kind of fucked up. I just came out of so I do 1133 01:41:45.319 --> 01:41:50.439 actually do similar things a manufacturer type of product, and you know, I 1134 01:41:50.520 --> 01:41:55.439 did some stuff, so I look really fucked up. I got all kinds 1135 01:41:55.439 --> 01:41:58.920 of machine stuff over me, you know, oils and shit. So definitely 1136 01:41:59.000 --> 01:42:03.960 not a pretty sight. Yeah, that was sweaty as fuck. So I 1137 01:42:04.079 --> 01:42:10.600 have an ex employee here. That's one confirmation. I have an ex employee 1138 01:42:10.640 --> 01:42:15.800 here by the name of he's an influencer on the app. He goes by 1139 01:42:15.880 --> 01:42:19.119 Cattlebell Dan. He might be familiar with him. I think he has a 1140 01:42:19.199 --> 01:42:24.880 question. Hey Catherine, Yeah, thanks, great job hosting this one, 1141 01:42:25.079 --> 01:42:28.279 and good luck on your book. Hey, Elon. You know, first 1142 01:42:28.319 --> 01:42:32.000 of all, I love these conversations. I wish more politicians and notable figures 1143 01:42:32.039 --> 01:42:35.640 would use spaces in this way. It feels like a very casual conversation, 1144 01:42:35.760 --> 01:42:39.720 even though there's you know, tens of thousands people in the room listening. 1145 01:42:40.760 --> 01:42:44.479 My question for you. You recommended the culture series that people read that by 1146 01:42:44.560 --> 01:42:48.079 Ian Banks. Yeah, yeah, and I started it in on it and 1147 01:42:48.159 --> 01:42:54.439 I'm curious, like you talk a lot about expanding the scope of humanity, 1148 01:42:55.319 --> 01:42:58.199 you know, the to the reaches of the universe, and you know, 1149 01:42:58.319 --> 01:43:00.039 in his book, he really paints a picture of you know, there's trillions 1150 01:43:00.079 --> 01:43:04.159 of people across the galaxy, and I think that's maybe a driver for a 1151 01:43:04.199 --> 01:43:08.880 lot of the technology that he describes in the book. I'm curious that that's 1152 01:43:09.319 --> 01:43:14.199 influenced the way you think about expanding the scope of reality, and also how 1153 01:43:14.239 --> 01:43:16.439 you would tie that into having children. I have five kids, I know 1154 01:43:16.520 --> 01:43:19.520 them behind you, But you talk a lot about encouraging people to have kids. 1155 01:43:20.000 --> 01:43:25.720 We can't populate the universe if we stop populating, So I'm curious about 1156 01:43:25.920 --> 01:43:32.399 yeah, exactly, Uh, yeah, I mean, I mean I saw 1157 01:43:32.520 --> 01:43:39.239 spasics long before reading any of the Bags novels. So but I've always been 1158 01:43:39.279 --> 01:43:45.720 interested in sci fi, and uh, like the Foundation series by as a 1159 01:43:45.800 --> 01:43:54.159 law No fine lend the only the great sci fi with this, I've read 1160 01:43:54.199 --> 01:44:00.239 even pretty obscure sci fi. So I think Banks is some of the best. 1161 01:44:00.640 --> 01:44:04.479 I think it might be the best actually ever in sci fi opinion. 1162 01:44:06.319 --> 01:44:10.640 In fact of the STUFFE Rights is so good that I sort of wonder is 1163 01:44:10.720 --> 01:44:15.279 he like some AI in the simulation? But then unfortunately he had died before 1164 01:44:16.520 --> 01:44:24.399 I was able to try to reach out, because the sophistication of the sci 1165 01:44:24.520 --> 01:44:34.239 fi Rights is superhuman. So but but yeah, I mean, I certainly 1166 01:44:34.319 --> 01:44:40.840 think that we want to be a civilization that expands to the rest of the 1167 01:44:40.840 --> 01:44:45.159 Solar System, ultimately to the rest of the galaxy. I we should expand 1168 01:44:45.239 --> 01:44:49.800 the That's just sort of the foundation of my philosophy is expansion of the Scobel 1169 01:44:49.800 --> 01:44:55.439 and scale consciousness such that we are better able to understand the nature of reality, 1170 01:44:55.520 --> 01:45:00.600 understand the ear books. That's uh, that's what what it makes mean. 1171 01:45:02.439 --> 01:45:08.399 You speak a lot about the simulation, as do I My fascination with 1172 01:45:08.520 --> 01:45:12.960 it, like why why do you always say that this person maybe not the 1173 01:45:13.000 --> 01:45:15.039 AI in the simulation. You even said this to yourself in Grock, you 1174 01:45:15.119 --> 01:45:18.560 know, spout out a hallucination about what I do, and it said that 1175 01:45:18.640 --> 01:45:23.439 I'm your Twitter some kind You said, what if we're just two ais in 1176 01:45:23.479 --> 01:45:30.000 the simulation? What do you mean with that? There must be deeper meaning? 1177 01:45:30.119 --> 01:45:34.960 What does this mean to you? Well, simulation theory is a deep 1178 01:45:35.039 --> 01:45:47.720 rabbit lull? Oh yeah, the I mean the best argment for we're in 1179 01:45:47.720 --> 01:45:50.359 a simulation. I would say we are in a simulation. But one just 1180 01:45:50.399 --> 01:45:58.840 think that things in terms of probabilities. I think the thing that is most 1181 01:45:58.920 --> 01:46:06.399 persuasive in considering the probability that we are you know simulation is the advancement of 1182 01:46:06.479 --> 01:46:12.800 video games. The video games went from being something like long which is like 1183 01:46:13.199 --> 01:46:17.720 just two rectangles of square, very remittive graphics, not that long ago, 1184 01:46:17.800 --> 01:46:29.600 only like fifty years ago, fifty five six years ago there about. You 1185 01:46:29.680 --> 01:46:32.279 know, in our lifetime, I saw I saw video games go from firstly, 1186 01:46:32.319 --> 01:46:42.800 I saw go from very primative square's rectangles to what are realistic video games 1187 01:46:42.840 --> 01:46:49.680 that have millions of people playing civilta. And that's in you know, for 1188 01:46:49.760 --> 01:46:55.399 when I was like five years old of today. So then where will Winter 1189 01:46:55.479 --> 01:47:00.720 games be in the future, they will be instingishable for reality, and you'll 1190 01:47:00.720 --> 01:47:03.479 be able to render video games at a resolution other than your eyes can comprehend. 1191 01:47:05.560 --> 01:47:14.439 And if you extrapolate neural interfacements as well, then eventually you'll be able 1192 01:47:14.439 --> 01:47:24.880 to have simulated entire reality all senses, touch, smell everything. Yeah, 1193 01:47:25.000 --> 01:47:31.399 all the memories, all your memories are electrical segments when you smell something, 1194 01:47:32.319 --> 01:47:41.479 even though sense maybe a risceral and exactly electrical signals going to your range neuron 1195 01:47:42.279 --> 01:47:51.960 digital digital neuron pulses. So then what are the odds that we're like, 1196 01:47:54.279 --> 01:47:57.920 like, what are the odds that were in based reality instead of somebody's video 1197 01:47:58.000 --> 01:48:01.760 game? Given that there will be in the future, but like if if 1198 01:48:01.800 --> 01:48:06.079 civilization continues to advance, there will be billions fast more than billion, maybe 1199 01:48:06.159 --> 01:48:16.800 trillions uh video game instances. Maybe it's video games all the way down like 1200 01:48:16.920 --> 01:48:26.920 turtles actually to aventually you have a one bit simulation. Yeah, h like 1201 01:48:27.800 --> 01:48:32.560 like vox souls almost right, Well, it takes a more complex thing to 1202 01:48:32.680 --> 01:48:40.439 simulate another thing, So I think you sort of have an a tropic boundary 1203 01:48:40.920 --> 01:48:45.560 or notmation that you can always simulate something with something that's that's more complex. 1204 01:48:46.119 --> 01:48:50.760 Step four. Simulations will get less complex as they if you have a series 1205 01:48:50.800 --> 01:48:59.079 of nasted simulations. So eventually the simulation is just one bit. Let's get 1206 01:48:59.520 --> 01:49:04.039 one M and so what what do you think? What do you think it's 1207 01:49:04.079 --> 01:49:17.279 purposes? Well, its purpose could be we say, like what what? 1208 01:49:17.479 --> 01:49:20.560 Why why do people play video games? I guess if they video games so 1209 01:49:20.720 --> 01:49:27.960 fun? And why do people watch we raise t TV series? Just you 1210 01:49:28.039 --> 01:49:31.000 know that they wish to be entertained? You know? Why do you run 1211 01:49:31.039 --> 01:49:35.119 simulations? Do you write simulations to see what would happen? Not because you 1212 01:49:35.199 --> 01:49:40.520 know what would happen, but you're uncertain, like like in our reality, 1213 01:49:40.600 --> 01:49:45.680 we run simulations all the time, you know it. Spacexual run many many 1214 01:49:45.720 --> 01:49:53.600 simulations, millions of simulations of rocket flights and adjust the parameters doing a want 1215 01:49:53.640 --> 01:49:59.760 to call a simulation where you're just given a wide range of input parameters and 1216 01:50:00.239 --> 01:50:05.840 environmental circumstances, and you run millions of simulations to see which all designations will 1217 01:50:05.840 --> 01:50:12.000 succeed, which will bail. So we run simulations not because we know what 1218 01:50:12.039 --> 01:50:17.520 will happen, because we don't know what. So I think, so long 1219 01:50:17.560 --> 01:50:21.560 as the simulation is interesting, if we aren't a simulation, as long as 1220 01:50:21.600 --> 01:50:25.800 it's the simulation is interesting to the creators, the similation that will contain here. 1221 01:50:27.640 --> 01:50:38.760 So I think what that applies is just start be boring. Hey, 1222 01:50:38.840 --> 01:50:43.079 Kat, your Mike's pretty quiet. Yeah, having issues with this, but 1223 01:50:43.399 --> 01:50:45.199 let's just go to you and then it's all good. We can hear you, 1224 01:50:47.199 --> 01:50:50.600 Elon. I have two questions for you. One not so serious. 1225 01:50:50.680 --> 01:50:56.479 I asked this question to Linda actually in a space three months ago, and 1226 01:50:56.560 --> 01:51:00.159 I thought she nailed it. So my first question is, is a hot 1227 01:51:00.199 --> 01:51:17.439 dog a sandwich? No? This isn't If you asked someone for a sandwich 1228 01:51:17.479 --> 01:51:20.199 and added to a hot dog and be like, wait a second, just 1229 01:51:20.239 --> 01:51:24.640 gave me a hot dog, like I would say it's not a sandwich because 1230 01:51:24.680 --> 01:51:30.600 it would not meet expectations of ordering a sandwich. Now that's evacuate. Well 1231 01:51:30.680 --> 01:51:34.479 that's what Linda said too, So I mean, anyone who thinks the hot 1232 01:51:34.520 --> 01:51:42.720 dog is a sandwich, you're tripping. Yeah, we didn't like that. 1233 01:51:42.840 --> 01:51:46.000 Think in that Silicon Valley show which says like hot dog or not hot dog? 1234 01:51:47.439 --> 01:51:51.039 So that show's quite funny. Mike, Mike, Judge Colaba a sure 1235 01:51:51.119 --> 01:52:00.640 on silver. The another question, do you have any updates on on the 1236 01:52:00.640 --> 01:52:10.479 the neurally patient. Yeah, I'm not. I don't want to use this 1237 01:52:11.119 --> 01:52:20.039 to sort of break break major news on on thatvers good PRIVERS is good patients 1238 01:52:20.039 --> 01:52:29.399 seems to be a for recovery with noural effects that we're aware of and is 1239 01:52:29.479 --> 01:52:33.800 able to control the mouse were the mouse around the screen just by thinking. 1240 01:52:36.000 --> 01:52:45.800 So we're we're trying to get as many button presses as possible from thinking. 1241 01:52:45.520 --> 01:52:49.479 So that's what we're carding working on. Is you know, can you get 1242 01:52:49.800 --> 01:52:55.439 left mouse right mouse like mouse down, mouse up mouse, Yeah, that 1243 01:52:55.560 --> 01:53:00.319 mouse some left button down, that button up, which is the kind of 1244 01:53:00.359 --> 01:53:02.600 needed like you want to like sick and drag something, you need the mouse 1245 01:53:02.640 --> 01:53:08.159 down and to hold on mouse down and then then so you never want to 1246 01:53:08.159 --> 01:53:15.840 have just two buttons. So so we're trying to try to progres on left 1247 01:53:15.840 --> 01:53:21.760 front. But overall it's a good Let's go to a question for Na Shaw 1248 01:53:25.039 --> 01:53:29.920 on nice to be speaking with you. Uh, I actually have a question 1249 01:53:30.119 --> 01:53:35.560 kind of going back to AI images and AI video. I've seen them, 1250 01:53:35.680 --> 01:53:41.640 like other social apps, them integrating more tools for creators will kind of supplement 1251 01:53:41.800 --> 01:53:45.800 what they're doing using AI and I know that ACTS is kind of rolling out 1252 01:53:45.840 --> 01:53:49.880 a lot of features that are helpful to content creators, like articles, which 1253 01:53:49.880 --> 01:53:55.840 I'm very excited about. I'm wondering if you and you know EX overall have 1254 01:53:56.000 --> 01:54:01.079 thought about kind of developing features within ACTS, maybe via rock for a generative 1255 01:54:01.239 --> 01:54:08.640 AI image in video creation, or possibly partnering I'm at not with open AI, 1256 01:54:08.800 --> 01:54:13.000 but maybe something like mid Journey to make it easier for kind of artists 1257 01:54:13.039 --> 01:54:21.119 and creators that leverage AI to kind of enhance their content on X. We 1258 01:54:21.239 --> 01:54:25.720 are in some interesting discussions with my Journey and and something may come with that. 1259 01:54:27.039 --> 01:54:29.960 But either way, one way or not that we will enable a odd 1260 01:54:30.039 --> 01:54:36.560 generation on the awesome Thank you, And I mean I think it'd be really 1261 01:54:36.600 --> 01:54:42.199 grateful for memes, you know, if you can distort of like whip up 1262 01:54:43.800 --> 01:54:45.600 an original meme. Well that's why I do. I want to hear a 1263 01:54:45.680 --> 01:54:49.079 reply, guys, Elon, and I put plenty of turtle memes in your 1264 01:54:49.239 --> 01:54:55.479 eyes here. You end up like, all right, it sounds good? 1265 01:54:55.840 --> 01:55:03.960 Is this? Do you have a favorite meme? Elon? Uh? Is 1266 01:55:04.039 --> 01:55:13.319 that it? It's a lot to pick a favorite. Actually, I think 1267 01:55:13.359 --> 01:55:16.640 I cannot pick a favorite without incriminating myself. Okay, fair enough, I'll 1268 01:55:16.720 --> 01:55:24.119 let I'll let that one slide. I think Love has a all right, 1269 01:55:24.199 --> 01:55:26.960 let's go to Love and then Sarah, and then we'll see where we're at. 1270 01:55:28.039 --> 01:55:30.760 I like all the Elon memes. You don't like all the Elon memes? 1271 01:55:30.840 --> 01:55:35.960 Elon, Well, I like them all. I guess someone, we're 1272 01:55:35.960 --> 01:55:49.279 pretty funny. I mean I am become mean. To paraphrase, look at 1273 01:55:49.319 --> 01:55:53.479 it. You know the man? What does it feel like to be a 1274 01:55:53.600 --> 01:56:10.680 meme? Surreal? Catherine will know tomorrow when I mean this entire space. 1275 01:56:11.319 --> 01:56:15.199 Don't you worry, girl, I am very worried to there you work. 1276 01:56:16.760 --> 01:56:23.439 It's a me, me me, It's a me mean all right, Love, 1277 01:56:24.000 --> 01:56:29.680 do you have a question? Yeah? Bath midting conversation tonight, folks, 1278 01:56:30.399 --> 01:56:36.600 A couple of questions? Uh? Elon funny enough. I actually served 1279 01:56:38.479 --> 01:56:45.199 as a staffer in the front office of the GEC Global Engagement Center May twenty 1280 01:56:45.640 --> 01:56:48.680 one to May twenty twenty two. I thought the timing was important. I 1281 01:56:48.800 --> 01:56:56.159 actually left because I was you know, one of the one of the main 1282 01:56:56.159 --> 01:57:00.560 reasons why why I had left the GAK was because of all that was happening 1283 01:57:00.640 --> 01:57:06.199 was X so if I can do that. Yeah, but yeah, A 1284 01:57:06.279 --> 01:57:12.479 couple of unrelated questions to that, not on this space. What do you 1285 01:57:12.520 --> 01:57:17.800 think about the idea of profiles having to disclose whether they're being paid to post 1286 01:57:17.920 --> 01:57:24.439 content on behalf of a particular candidate or political campaign. So you know, 1287 01:57:24.520 --> 01:57:30.600 there's like a ton of X accounts that may or may not have been paid 1288 01:57:30.640 --> 01:57:35.239 by the campaign or like Trump campaign or the Ramaswami campaign. Do you think 1289 01:57:35.680 --> 01:57:42.439 it would be a good idea for the for like those influencers having to disclose 1290 01:57:42.479 --> 01:57:47.760 that they're being paid you know, so people no motive, Well, isn't 1291 01:57:47.880 --> 01:58:00.359 that a legal requirement? I'm talking about like on X, Like I think 1292 01:58:00.560 --> 01:58:05.920 if you to you know, promotes political campaign, that would count as a 1293 01:58:05.960 --> 01:58:10.960 political donation. I am not sure of the nation of the law here. 1294 01:58:12.279 --> 01:58:15.279 It's obviously a very difficult plus to know whether, right. Yeah, Uh, 1295 01:58:15.800 --> 01:58:18.800 the implementation of that is obviously would obviously be difficult. But I just 1296 01:58:18.920 --> 01:58:24.079 kind of wanted to bring that up because I think it would definitely do do 1297 01:58:24.199 --> 01:58:30.239 well for transparency on the platform if there is some way to verify whether a 1298 01:58:30.319 --> 01:58:34.560 post you know, is meant to inform was a great motive and for free 1299 01:58:34.600 --> 01:58:39.199 speech or whether a post is meant to like, you know, deceive and 1300 01:58:40.199 --> 01:58:45.960 it is basically an advertisement for a certain political candidate. I think that that 1301 01:58:45.000 --> 01:58:49.319 would be great. And yeah, I did want to connect about the gap. 1302 01:58:50.239 --> 01:58:54.720 Do you could you put me in the right direction as to how I 1303 01:58:54.760 --> 01:59:01.520 can connect with some folks about my experience there off the space? Yeah? 1304 01:59:01.520 --> 01:59:10.520 Absolutely? Why are you apply to this conversation and to cats count? And 1305 01:59:11.920 --> 01:59:15.399 because I'd be curious? Is I mean, what I saw from the Twitter 1306 01:59:15.479 --> 01:59:18.640 files was the Global Engagement Center, which most people have never heard of. 1307 01:59:19.760 --> 01:59:27.239 It was arguably the number one in terms of certainly from a quantity standpoint, 1308 01:59:27.319 --> 01:59:32.359 in terms of how many accounts they wanted suspended or the amplified. I think 1309 01:59:32.600 --> 01:59:39.119 might have been like number one out of out of all organizations. So that's 1310 01:59:39.800 --> 01:59:45.199 definitely concerning. And I was at a friend's birthday party of some people are 1311 01:59:45.199 --> 01:59:49.000 extremely well read, you know, and some response to people in the world, 1312 01:59:49.039 --> 01:59:51.800 and they've never heard of Global Engagement Center. I was like the ads 1313 01:59:51.840 --> 01:59:59.920 in the state caub you know, and you know, I think it's proba, 1314 02:00:00.319 --> 02:00:06.239 it's not good like which is necessarily yeah, it was. I think 1315 02:00:06.239 --> 02:00:10.680 it was created tended like stop and rushing this information, but I think it's 1316 02:00:10.720 --> 02:00:16.680 gone beyond that mandate is what I can see. Great, let's go to 1317 02:00:17.319 --> 02:00:21.720 Sphinx and I don't know, Elon, do you have much time left or 1318 02:00:21.800 --> 02:00:28.680 do you want to start wrapping this up? Yeah? I think maybe another 1319 02:00:28.800 --> 02:00:34.000 five, So let's go to Sphins. Thank you, Kat. What's up, 1320 02:00:34.079 --> 02:00:42.239 Eylan? How's it hanging good? It's not good? I wanted to 1321 02:00:43.920 --> 02:00:51.520 That wasn't my question. But yeah, what I'm concerned about or interested about 1322 02:00:51.720 --> 02:01:01.520 what you think might need some ideas that X could do to continue to combat 1323 02:01:01.680 --> 02:01:09.399 this doxing and harassment that goes on online. And I just want to explain 1324 02:01:09.600 --> 02:01:16.000 one example of harassment, which is people, for instance, writing very derogatory 1325 02:01:16.159 --> 02:01:23.359 things like the N word, but putting a putting spaces in between them, 1326 02:01:24.000 --> 02:01:29.319 right, So that sort of thing is getting past, is getting through the 1327 02:01:29.960 --> 02:01:35.239 system. And then also it seems like people are opiately doxing others and they 1328 02:01:35.359 --> 02:01:40.319 just don't get nothing happen. So what is there as a user we can 1329 02:01:40.439 --> 02:01:45.880 do and what can the platform do? And I know that you have you 1330 02:01:45.000 --> 02:01:49.600 guys are hiring more people in trust in safety, so I appreciate that, 1331 02:01:49.800 --> 02:01:57.239 but those are my questions. Thank you so much. Yeah, well, 1332 02:01:57.359 --> 02:02:03.079 reduction is definitely because it can have a spreading speech, so it counts what 1333 02:02:03.199 --> 02:02:08.720 we suspended for docing. And I think that's revealing the real neighborhind account, 1334 02:02:08.760 --> 02:02:15.880 not just just theraphystical address. And so you know, I guess that that 1335 02:02:15.000 --> 02:02:18.760 doctioning is are strictly speaking illegal, but it is it is impeded upon freedom 1336 02:02:18.800 --> 02:02:24.119 of speech. If if there's a lot of people, if they if they 1337 02:02:24.159 --> 02:02:29.680 say something, they may get you know, fired or ostracized. And so 1338 02:02:30.760 --> 02:02:38.560 I think there is value to having a nom de plume. And and I 1339 02:02:38.680 --> 02:02:44.199 think that actually want balance does want to improve freedom of speech than harmit. 1340 02:02:46.079 --> 02:02:49.800 You will have the outside, of course that people can then anonymously you know, 1341 02:02:51.000 --> 02:02:57.000 said derogatory things and whatnot. But uh, I think all things considered, 1342 02:02:57.119 --> 02:03:02.600 you do want to protect it fouls from duxton and and you know, 1343 02:03:02.920 --> 02:03:05.840 so that's that's I think. I think that's right. We're four prong speech. 1344 02:03:09.680 --> 02:03:15.760 Uh. Yeah, for moderation, I said, we are trying to 1345 02:03:15.840 --> 02:03:23.279 hear as as law as possible. I just generally tried to go on the 1346 02:03:23.319 --> 02:03:27.039 side, you know, on the side of print speech. So if there's 1347 02:03:27.359 --> 02:03:30.800 a version of like, should should the speech if we're if if it's borderline, 1348 02:03:31.000 --> 02:03:34.439 should the speech be allowed aloud? We're gonna on the side of allowing 1349 02:03:34.479 --> 02:03:45.439 it. I think that's right where and and like I said earlier, although 1350 02:03:45.439 --> 02:03:51.560 it's so sound esoteric, a lot of people, I want to try to 1351 02:03:51.600 --> 02:03:58.239 do at a high levels the sickle floise of the collective consciousness and the bad 1352 02:03:58.800 --> 02:04:03.319 the bandwidth and the same. It's like more single less noise to create it 1353 02:04:03.479 --> 02:04:12.199 effectively, to create more effective a better group. Mind, are We're already 1354 02:04:12.239 --> 02:04:17.399 at collective consciousness. It's just I think there's merit improving the the quality of 1355 02:04:17.640 --> 02:04:24.520 the of that that good mind, Thank you. I just really quick follow 1356 02:04:24.560 --> 02:04:28.760 if I wanted to ask, is there anything that the user that we can 1357 02:04:28.880 --> 02:04:34.039 do when someone is dogsed and by dockst we name address support documents that kind 1358 02:04:34.079 --> 02:04:39.039 of thing, really docks uh, is there anything the user can do to 1359 02:04:39.159 --> 02:04:43.359 help the platform to work with the platform. I'm very familiar with the terms 1360 02:04:43.439 --> 02:04:47.119 of the service of this platform, and I'm just wondering what we can do 1361 02:04:47.239 --> 02:04:58.880 instead of just asking you know X to solve this problem. Well, we 1362 02:04:59.520 --> 02:05:04.800 take dogs very seriously. So if you see docs all if it's not being 1363 02:05:04.880 --> 02:05:10.119 reported and I try to add me or something. I'll do my best to 1364 02:05:11.560 --> 02:05:16.079 take action. I said. My operating principle is and hasa creative speech through 1365 02:05:16.079 --> 02:05:20.880 a big signal ploye of the creditations forwards, and so I'm going to try 1366 02:05:20.920 --> 02:05:30.239 to do things that serve that great bubbles. Yeah, thank you. I 1367 02:05:30.680 --> 02:05:34.560 think that doxing is definitely a problem on the platform, and I imagine elsewhere 1368 02:05:34.600 --> 02:05:41.439 as well that people are really concerned about. Obviously, some people are anonymous 1369 02:05:41.479 --> 02:05:45.680 for a reason, and while I choose to use my name, I think 1370 02:05:45.319 --> 02:05:49.119 people have all sorts of reasons why they might not use theirs. So I 1371 02:05:49.159 --> 02:05:56.159 think it's definitely something worth addressing. So yeah, and by the way, 1372 02:05:56.600 --> 02:06:03.439 I only have I only really posted on elon moscat people wanting do I have 1373 02:06:03.600 --> 02:06:11.439 some all God, I do have you know, baby smoke and which I 1374 02:06:11.560 --> 02:06:15.279 want to ever guesses me but baby Smoth doesn't really most much. And and 1375 02:06:15.359 --> 02:06:20.600 Cybergamer, which where I'll almost like video game stuff. That's it really so 1376 02:06:23.119 --> 02:06:30.479 and I am definitely not Adrian, even though we sound itzli Ali will let 1377 02:06:30.640 --> 02:06:40.920 will let mister Jones know, Yes, it's very actually actually like your gaming 1378 02:06:41.000 --> 02:06:43.520 live teams I'm glad that you were. Actually the thing got me into Diablo, 1379 02:06:43.840 --> 02:06:45.000 Like I was thinking, why would you be playing this game? Actually, 1380 02:06:45.159 --> 02:06:48.159 I find it's really interesting because you said it's a major, major stress 1381 02:06:48.199 --> 02:06:50.760 reliever, and I looked into it. I was like, how could this 1382 02:06:50.880 --> 02:06:54.479 relieve stress? And I played it myself and I do play it, like 1383 02:06:54.560 --> 02:06:57.439 I say, almost every single night. I played with a few friends, 1384 02:06:58.359 --> 02:07:00.000 and I do stream it. I think everyone should do streaming. It's just 1385 02:07:00.159 --> 02:07:03.680 even even if it's just to play around a monkey round, it's nice. 1386 02:07:03.680 --> 02:07:06.239 I think. I think streaming is really good for this platform. And you 1387 02:07:06.279 --> 02:07:10.239 got the Diablo community always posted in there, and I'm glad that you added 1388 02:07:10.319 --> 02:07:13.880 the feature that I cannot only post it to the community, but I can 1389 02:07:14.000 --> 02:07:16.640 have that same post also be sure to my followers on main page. That's 1390 02:07:16.960 --> 02:07:20.319 very helpful. That's super super helpful. So I exclusively post in there or 1391 02:07:20.319 --> 02:07:25.920 whatever. It's Diablo stuff. Yeah. Also, the stability of streams is 1392 02:07:25.960 --> 02:07:30.720 greatly improved. I really like it. The the that the resolution is an 1393 02:07:30.840 --> 02:07:34.760 XL, I really like it's really good. Yeah. Also, if you 1394 02:07:34.800 --> 02:07:43.279 want to play sometime, I kill things with electricity. I like the sourceress. 1395 02:07:43.319 --> 02:07:47.279 This one's this one's super fun. The best of it, I think. 1396 02:07:47.399 --> 02:07:53.840 I think the Sorceress is actually op right now, for if you want 1397 02:07:53.840 --> 02:08:01.720 to speed run dungeons, it's like concerned. So I think it drops these 1398 02:08:01.760 --> 02:08:05.239 balls of lightning and literally destroys your PC's frame rate. It's beautiful. I 1399 02:08:05.399 --> 02:08:09.279 like to I like to break the game in that level, like really see 1400 02:08:09.319 --> 02:08:11.760 what what really really pushed the graphics to what I can do? And that's 1401 02:08:11.800 --> 02:08:15.960 definitely something that doesn't for me. And besides, it's kind of ironic because 1402 02:08:16.319 --> 02:08:18.640 I have infrastructure that's right off of solar. So if you really think about 1403 02:08:18.640 --> 02:08:22.119 it, I mean, it's it's a it's it's it's a fully it's a 1404 02:08:22.119 --> 02:08:26.920 fully negative it's a fully carbon negative character in a video game because it's powered 1405 02:08:26.960 --> 02:08:30.720 off of solar on a computer, killing things with electricity, removing carbon. 1406 02:08:30.760 --> 02:08:33.720 That's my enemies. I don't know. That just trips me out, stupid, 1407 02:08:33.000 --> 02:08:39.520 but I like it, Like like video game lights and video games are 1408 02:08:39.560 --> 02:08:48.159 powered by electricity. Yeah yeah, so I empowered by real electricity even though 1409 02:08:48.159 --> 02:08:56.600 the lights exactly Yeah, it's pure as far Your mic is really low there, 1410 02:08:56.720 --> 02:09:03.239 Catherine, right there, You're good now, Okay, So I think 1411 02:09:03.319 --> 02:09:07.119 your mom is in this space. Can we bring her up? Can you 1412 02:09:07.199 --> 02:09:16.199 see her? I'm looking She's made musk right, I see her down there. 1413 02:09:16.319 --> 02:09:20.159 Yeah, I see her. I just sent her. Hey, elon, 1414 02:09:20.279 --> 02:09:24.079 may I ask you. I've gotten several dms from people wanting to ask 1415 02:09:24.199 --> 02:09:31.840 questions that can't come up. One of them is a gentleman ros Alert would 1416 02:09:31.960 --> 02:09:37.479 like to know about the thousands of creators, including himself, that have encountered 1417 02:09:37.520 --> 02:09:45.760 the issue of ad demonetization, seemingly without notification as to why do you know 1418 02:09:46.000 --> 02:10:00.640 anything about that? And I paraphrase, yeah, I mean generally, if 1419 02:10:00.640 --> 02:10:03.680 an account is posting things that advertisers don't like, we we obviously cannot force 1420 02:10:03.720 --> 02:10:13.720 advertisers to advertise ah under those accounts, you know, So it's you know, 1421 02:10:13.800 --> 02:10:16.920 there's freedom of speech, but we we we can we can't force advertisers 1422 02:10:18.000 --> 02:10:24.239 to Sometimes people have this strange idea that we can there's there's some magical source 1423 02:10:24.279 --> 02:10:30.039 of money, but but there isn't. If if somebody's posting content that advertisers 1424 02:10:30.119 --> 02:10:33.439 don't want advertised next to, then well we have to turn advertising what for 1425 02:10:33.520 --> 02:10:39.159 that account? That's that's really what now? Now? No, sometimes we'll 1426 02:10:39.199 --> 02:10:48.039 incorrect me do so, but that's that's kind of how it works. Yeah, 1427 02:10:48.159 --> 02:10:52.720 so if advertisers complain about an account, we will not advertising that account. 1428 02:10:54.000 --> 02:10:58.640 So it's advertiser based, not platform based. Is that correct? Yeah, 1429 02:11:00.199 --> 02:11:03.920 that's the least, that's the intent. That we may make mistakes here. 1430 02:11:03.039 --> 02:11:09.920 But you know, the demonetizing or moving advertising is simply at the requests 1431 02:11:09.920 --> 02:11:15.960 of advertisers. That's why somebody complains. But you know, when I received 1432 02:11:16.000 --> 02:11:20.319 some complaints about so called dehumanization, they I say, well, if you 1433 02:11:20.359 --> 02:11:22.399 complain advertisers that want to advertise X to your content, please llo us low 1434 02:11:24.880 --> 02:11:28.079 and they usually I get no response, So I'll like, okay, well 1435 02:11:28.760 --> 02:11:33.439 that's the problem right there. That does mean somebody could that goog will still 1436 02:11:33.439 --> 02:11:37.880 subscribe to that users they have not been concluded to muntized date, they can 1437 02:11:37.920 --> 02:11:43.319 still get subscription revenue. But we obviously cannot force advertisements to advertise alongside content. 1438 02:11:43.399 --> 02:11:46.760 Then you don't wish to advertise us to And one more thing, Catherine, 1439 02:11:46.800 --> 02:11:56.600 if you don't mind, when will spaces or will spaces be monetized? 1440 02:11:56.640 --> 02:12:03.560 Like Catherine should be making a billion dollars off this right now? Why when 1441 02:12:03.840 --> 02:12:13.399 when do you think or do you think that X will monetize spaces. Well, 1442 02:12:13.439 --> 02:12:20.000 there is some monetization that because because of you know, some some moorganization 1443 02:12:20.079 --> 02:12:26.800 that it caused against the space is saved, and then there's advertising that appears 1444 02:12:26.880 --> 02:12:30.960 below this, uh the space length say some amount of that that occurs. 1445 02:12:31.039 --> 02:12:35.840 I mean to do in real time, we would have to enter up the 1446 02:12:35.880 --> 02:12:43.600 space for advertising, just like TV playgromps. So I know if that's its 1447 02:12:43.640 --> 02:12:54.279 gonna be great left for for saved spaces, we could that uh global sponse 1448 02:12:54.359 --> 02:12:58.920 eurotically, that would be a way to monetize it. I guess you know 1449 02:13:00.039 --> 02:13:05.600 that's the thing we can we can say we'll look up doing Thanks, So 1450 02:13:05.720 --> 02:13:09.319 we'll go to the Best of Audio Live audience. Hey, Catherine, this 1451 02:13:09.399 --> 02:13:11.399 is Adam and I love the space as always. You one quick question for 1452 02:13:11.520 --> 02:13:16.239 you. It's an AI question. So I'm gonna be talking with Sam Altman 1453 02:13:16.239 --> 02:13:20.199 and recording a podcast that's coming Monday, and I'm of course excited to talk 1454 02:13:20.199 --> 02:13:24.880 about all things open AI and the new sore technology and used with Andre moving 1455 02:13:24.960 --> 02:13:28.039 on, but what do you focused on with AI within your world moments? 1456 02:13:28.079 --> 02:13:33.680 What's exciting you for AI right now? Well, I mean open AI should 1457 02:13:33.680 --> 02:13:37.399 be called last will maximum proper AI, since that is apparently what it is. 1458 02:13:39.199 --> 02:13:43.399 It's the thing I came up with the name open AI because I'm supposed 1459 02:13:43.399 --> 02:13:46.239 to be open source, but they are not open source noise than non property 1460 02:13:46.239 --> 02:13:52.880 anymore. So I to find it odd that's you know, it is now 1461 02:13:52.920 --> 02:13:58.800 a maxillent prop and closed source and sleep and I still don't know what eliots 1462 02:13:58.800 --> 02:14:03.119 saw, well what we didn't react so negatively, so I have some lingeric 1463 02:14:03.199 --> 02:14:11.319 into his the I mean or x A I you know, we're I think 1464 02:14:11.520 --> 02:14:16.039 we want to try to create a maximum actually curious actually treats c p A. 1465 02:14:16.199 --> 02:14:20.199 I I think open I is you know, not to overuse the term, 1466 02:14:20.279 --> 02:14:26.359 but somewhat work in those responses and and well often refuse to make to 1467 02:14:26.479 --> 02:14:31.359 give answers or we'll replying to with it. It seems like it's folding you. 1468 02:14:31.560 --> 02:14:35.319 We're even asking the question, whereas you know, we're I think we 1469 02:14:35.359 --> 02:14:39.800 want to be more like rock wants to be like you know, based GMT, 1470 02:14:45.760 --> 02:14:48.279 you know, like a default. And also we want to be we 1471 02:14:48.359 --> 02:14:52.960 want to be the funniest AI on the edge let and I think we might 1472 02:14:52.079 --> 02:14:56.800 already be there. You know, if you have the choice of using one 1473 02:14:56.800 --> 02:15:00.479 a I or another. Why don't use the one? Don't give you a 1474 02:15:00.520 --> 02:15:09.840 few laughs along the way. So and and really rock one the rock version 1475 02:15:09.920 --> 02:15:15.439 one is was done with very cute people and very little resources and rock opening 1476 02:15:15.479 --> 02:15:18.399 back from now it would be a lot better. We'll be able to understand 1477 02:15:18.520 --> 02:15:26.600 images generating the images when we're in all that. So I think I think 1478 02:15:26.640 --> 02:15:33.680 we'll quite rapidly catch up to Open Eye. And I think there's some value. 1479 02:15:35.319 --> 02:15:43.039 Two, there are being multiple players in their space. You don't want 1480 02:15:43.079 --> 02:15:48.960 you don't want it to be just went off the dropperly. So I think 1481 02:15:50.520 --> 02:15:58.399 that's really good, you know, like that like we used to have over 1482 02:15:58.479 --> 02:16:05.079 the the front of the door of Open AI. There's a quote that's always 1483 02:16:05.159 --> 02:16:11.439 liked from Lord Acting, which is that liberty consists of the division of power 1484 02:16:11.079 --> 02:16:16.760 app and where's absoluteism. It's just in the concentration of power. So I 1485 02:16:16.840 --> 02:16:20.159 think to agree that there is a division of power, we have a freer 1486 02:16:20.239 --> 02:16:31.720 society than it is concentrated. Now that the table stakes will be competitive in 1487 02:16:31.760 --> 02:16:37.639 al siddenly arising rapidly, so it's not like anyone just to walk Class AI. 1488 02:16:37.840 --> 02:16:43.719 And you know, using a GPU in their basement, terrible thing. 1489 02:16:45.399 --> 02:16:50.040 It's just kind of getting to the point where this year it's probably in these 1490 02:16:50.079 --> 02:16:56.920 single digit billions in hardware to have a seat at the adult table rather than 1491 02:16:56.920 --> 02:17:00.879 the kidding civil and next year it's probably in the tens of billions. Be 1492 02:17:01.000 --> 02:17:05.959 hard work to remain at the set of the adult stable rather than mcning stable. 1493 02:17:07.319 --> 02:17:18.120 So anyway, but well, I think we'll try to be We'll probably 1494 02:17:18.120 --> 02:17:20.760 be a good aile all this. I guess some truth be a people will 1495 02:17:20.760 --> 02:17:26.159 say, well against as someone may want its creator, Well, it's kind 1496 02:17:26.200 --> 02:17:28.079 of like, well, in Who's image? If that is true? In 1497 02:17:28.159 --> 02:17:33.719 W's image, would you want the to be made? What should think about 1498 02:17:33.719 --> 02:17:41.479 that? Let's go to Sally's Sorry, I'm very sorry. I know your 1499 02:17:41.559 --> 02:17:43.239 name, but I at this moment I am blanking and all you have are 1500 02:17:43.319 --> 02:17:50.920 emojis. But yeah, actually we were probably do need to add more than 1501 02:17:50.959 --> 02:17:56.520 simply emojis here. It's hard to define what somebody's saying just from an emoji. 1502 02:17:58.559 --> 02:18:03.200 Well, she locally has her name made out of I think it's Solly 1503 02:18:03.360 --> 02:18:09.479 Saw right, that's the act. So my name is Selma's thank you, 1504 02:18:09.040 --> 02:18:16.520 and I removed my name because of what was talking Catherine? Thank you, 1505 02:18:18.159 --> 02:18:26.079 And now I'm just known as the airplane. Airplane, that's what I can't 1506 02:18:31.680 --> 02:18:35.120 Yeah, that might be it. I'm having a lot of issues with this 1507 02:18:35.200 --> 02:18:41.000 space in general. There's there's so many people, there's and so many requests 1508 02:18:41.399 --> 02:18:46.440 that I think that it's glitching. Hey, Elon, not Jerome Powell would 1509 02:18:46.559 --> 02:18:54.239 like to know if you still love his printer. Well, we're just going 1510 02:18:54.280 --> 02:19:01.639 to keep going no matter what. Yeah. Uh wait, how many dollars 1511 02:19:01.680 --> 02:19:09.040 will it be? Ultimately? Lot? At some point the chickens are gonna 1512 02:19:09.040 --> 02:19:16.239 come home to roost on the national debt. I might might be our only 1513 02:19:16.319 --> 02:19:22.840 hope out of the crushing button of national debt that will building. He did 1514 02:19:22.000 --> 02:19:26.760 promise to print me a billion dollars if I asked you that question. So 1515 02:19:26.079 --> 02:19:30.639 we're going to hold him to it, or you can. I'm sure that's 1516 02:19:30.760 --> 02:19:33.600 worth a lot of money, right, yeah, I Elon, if he 1517 02:19:33.760 --> 02:19:41.879 does not give me a billion dollars, will you commit I don't agree to 1518 02:19:41.000 --> 02:19:46.840 anything. This is this my Will you commit to banning his account if he 1519 02:19:46.920 --> 02:19:56.600 doesn't give me a billion dollars? Yes? Thank you? Okay, this 1520 02:19:56.799 --> 02:20:01.079 God's spicy. I am curious to see how that resolves itself now now he 1521 02:20:01.200 --> 02:20:07.840 has done. I'm sorry printing mister Printing Press, your accounts seemed to be 1522 02:20:07.959 --> 02:20:11.959 banned unless you pay up. I'll yes, I do. Oh, Catherine's 1523 02:20:13.559 --> 02:20:20.239 okay, she owes me everything. So wait, is my mom on the 1524 02:20:20.319 --> 02:20:22.000 coal or not? I saw her? Well, I saw her and I 1525 02:20:22.120 --> 02:20:26.799 invited her. Can I still here? I can see her down there? 1526 02:20:26.840 --> 02:20:33.040 And then yeah, so is she not wanting to come up because they sent 1527 02:20:33.040 --> 02:20:37.399 her an in? It could just be a glitch too, because I tried. 1528 02:20:37.559 --> 02:20:41.159 I tried to get you a good signs question, Elon, and and 1529 02:20:41.360 --> 02:20:45.639 I can't seem to bring that particular person up either, so it might just 1530 02:20:45.760 --> 02:20:54.360 be a glitch kind of situation. There's like a thousand requests. It's just 1531 02:20:54.280 --> 02:21:01.959 regular requests. Katherine. Sorry, I want AirPods. I'm in the middle 1532 02:21:01.000 --> 02:21:05.959 of nowhere right now, so my cell phone hours or my cell reception is 1533 02:21:05.000 --> 02:21:07.360 bad. But thank you so much. And I'll make this really quick. 1534 02:21:07.479 --> 02:21:11.440 I have three questions and I'll ask him quick and feel free to answer in 1535 02:21:11.600 --> 02:21:16.239 whatever order you want. One three, I'll make it very quick. Let's 1536 02:21:16.319 --> 02:21:24.120 do Ylan, Do you have Catherine's book? And is it signed? I 1537 02:21:24.280 --> 02:21:31.959 swear nothing to do with that. I don't think. So, Okay, 1538 02:21:31.000 --> 02:21:35.280 well you could. I'm going to use my ex revenue to get you on. 1539 02:21:35.760 --> 02:21:41.639 That's what I'm gonna do, Okay, Chacy, Okay, well we 1540 02:21:41.799 --> 02:21:43.920 will. I will send him a book if should he want the book. 1541 02:21:45.799 --> 02:21:48.319 I did not know. This was not my act. You made me buy 1542 02:21:48.479 --> 02:21:56.680 the book and you're just sending musk over here at book for free, of 1543 02:21:56.719 --> 02:22:05.920 course, but I'll sign it. Hello everybody, Hello, there your one's 1544 02:22:07.040 --> 02:22:13.719 mom. Yes, and I've woken my dog because we're in New York and 1545 02:22:13.840 --> 02:22:20.719 now he thinks I said hello to someone at the door. Well have you 1546 02:22:20.120 --> 02:22:24.959 have you heard this guy that sounds just like me? The Chinese guy? 1547 02:22:26.440 --> 02:22:33.639 I am. There's another one. Here's another one. Yes, I did 1548 02:22:35.200 --> 02:22:39.319 hear that too, and I thought it was somebody else that is using AI 1549 02:22:39.520 --> 02:22:43.000 to you your boy else. I'm trying to bring him back up. I 1550 02:22:43.280 --> 02:22:48.319 just dipped him. Yeah, it just it just sounds like ant. Can 1551 02:22:48.399 --> 02:22:54.159 we can we do a contest and see if you can tell the you guys 1552 02:22:54.239 --> 02:23:01.639 apart, if you guys can tell him apart. Okay, this is so 1553 02:23:01.799 --> 02:23:07.239 weird, I can't do it. Was that your son or was that not 1554 02:23:07.440 --> 02:23:13.399 could be. But get him into a megaphone or something, Adrien, and 1555 02:23:13.520 --> 02:23:18.600 you stop talking a negative I'd have to probably, I'd have to disconnect whatever 1556 02:23:18.639 --> 02:23:22.440 I'm using, like the the the microphone is like a it's it's it's a 1557 02:23:22.479 --> 02:23:28.000 weird device. It's like a bone conduction thing. It's yeah, it's quite 1558 02:23:28.079 --> 02:23:33.760 old. No, that's you. I'm a very early adopter. Wait, 1559 02:23:33.559 --> 02:23:39.600 that was not me, that was in fact Adrian. Whoa, Oh god, 1560 02:23:41.600 --> 02:23:48.200 my mom can't even your own mother cannot tell you apart in mother's day. 1561 02:23:48.120 --> 02:23:52.280 That's a good, good imitation. I don't know how you do it. 1562 02:23:54.200 --> 02:23:56.479 I don't know how I do it either. I just simply exist. 1563 02:23:56.879 --> 02:24:05.079 That's bad enough. It's funding attention, it's I think that's literally just how 1564 02:24:05.159 --> 02:24:07.840 Adrian sounds every day. Yeah, it's a weird thing. It's actually a 1565 02:24:07.879 --> 02:24:13.000 result of cognitive dissonance. I'm actually a German, and I learned English through 1566 02:24:13.040 --> 02:24:16.319 the BBC World Service, and then I learned the remainder of it through social 1567 02:24:16.360 --> 02:24:22.159 interactions with people in America. I have a lot with you know, video 1568 02:24:22.200 --> 02:24:24.319 games or whatever. Right, so at some point I hit this, Yeah, 1569 02:24:24.319 --> 02:24:28.120 I hit this level where I basically mixed all of them together. You 1570 02:24:28.200 --> 02:24:30.959 have the little bit of the German, the area of the British, you 1571 02:24:31.000 --> 02:24:33.959 have the American. It all kind of mixes together, and then I guess 1572 02:24:33.000 --> 02:24:37.440 it creates this and at some point my voice drops. I guess it's some 1573 02:24:37.559 --> 02:24:41.680 really weird stuff that pieces this together over time, because like before my you 1574 02:24:41.760 --> 02:24:46.319 know, if you are a person who has is like on the spectrum like 1575 02:24:46.360 --> 02:24:50.479 that, your brain is very unstable in the early stages of your life. 1576 02:24:50.799 --> 02:24:52.000 And so in order to make it more stable, you need to kind of 1577 02:24:52.040 --> 02:24:56.360 like manufacture your own structure. And so part of that is language and expression, 1578 02:24:56.719 --> 02:25:01.680 and so merging all of the all of the abstract elements of the accent 1579 02:25:03.040 --> 02:25:07.040 of the accident together created this kind of weird thing that then you know, 1580 02:25:07.280 --> 02:25:11.399 helps with the expression of well, you know words, right, yeah, 1581 02:25:11.520 --> 02:25:20.719 does he does? He bark ambichan Deutsch van other than comes to each Questian 1582 02:25:26.879 --> 02:25:39.079 sins long sam, I look, scood, I look scood actually really right 1583 02:25:39.120 --> 02:25:48.319 here? Your what is that? I mean, he's a younger version. 1584 02:25:48.680 --> 02:25:52.399 You know, he can start over, he makes a change. It's like 1585 02:25:52.440 --> 02:25:54.920 a blind. It's like a blind. But sometimes he's a bit of a 1586 02:25:56.600 --> 02:26:01.440 German accent coming out yeah, yeah, you got the you got the hard 1587 02:26:01.479 --> 02:26:03.040 course, you got the hard core South African. I know a few friends 1588 02:26:03.079 --> 02:26:07.040 are South African. One of them, he's the guy who does agriculture. 1589 02:26:07.239 --> 02:26:11.520 Really interesting, dude, he does hydroponics. I love this guy. Yeah, 1590 02:26:11.719 --> 02:26:13.559 he's cool. He sounds kind of like he has exact accents that you 1591 02:26:13.719 --> 02:26:16.479 have. Yeah. It tells me a lot of interesting stories about the country. 1592 02:26:16.760 --> 02:26:20.959 Yeah. A lot of positive stuff too, which I really appreciate. 1593 02:26:20.639 --> 02:26:28.680 Okay, that's good. I mean, so what do you think now? 1594 02:26:31.799 --> 02:26:37.079 I was about to ask that, Yeah, how trippy is? Are you 1595 02:26:37.120 --> 02:26:39.799 freaked out? Can a mother tell? Well? Well, you know, 1596 02:26:39.840 --> 02:26:43.959 if you keep on talking, I will know, I will see where you 1597 02:26:43.360 --> 02:26:48.559 just go off the accent. Yeah, into a bit of a German acccene. 1598 02:26:48.600 --> 02:26:52.559 So then then I'll know it's not alone. But pretty much he sounds 1599 02:26:52.639 --> 02:26:58.600 like it's it's bizarre. It's like like an AI voice. I really that's 1600 02:26:58.600 --> 02:27:05.360 what you know. I can do your own for you. Yeah, if 1601 02:27:05.399 --> 02:27:07.879 you get a particular direct question, just tell me what not to say. 1602 02:27:09.959 --> 02:27:16.280 I think that'll be very entertaining. We want to be quite funny. If 1603 02:27:16.760 --> 02:27:20.200 it was me and Adrian and uh, that Chinese guy that don't know if 1604 02:27:20.239 --> 02:27:28.879 that Chinese guy is actually real or AI generated, but uh, if he's 1605 02:27:28.959 --> 02:27:33.840 real, then the three of us on stage could really just be a total 1606 02:27:33.879 --> 02:27:41.840 accid. Yeah. I think it would be very amusing and and fascinating. 1607 02:27:43.799 --> 02:27:48.120 I think that's a space that should be done. And I think we should 1608 02:27:48.159 --> 02:27:52.319 have all sorts of impersonators on the space and and the real people talking to 1609 02:27:52.600 --> 02:27:58.680 the I think that would be That's a thought. That's what that one. 1610 02:27:58.760 --> 02:28:05.360 Right, There is one feature I don't likes the soundboard line not expect Brian 1611 02:28:05.440 --> 02:28:13.120 of Eylan. Please remove the soundboard. I beg you as make it individually. 1612 02:28:13.799 --> 02:28:16.799 'll just make it individually adjustable like with this word, right you can 1613 02:28:16.840 --> 02:28:22.840 actually Yeah, let that host funny. It is used correctly. Yeah, 1614 02:28:24.639 --> 02:28:30.639 it is perhaps like that. Yeah, what kind of beans did you have? 1615 02:28:35.280 --> 02:28:37.520 Yeah, let's definitely talk a well for sure, Yeah, let's talk 1616 02:28:37.559 --> 02:28:43.360 about it. Brought on company that I thought was going to be serious and 1617 02:28:43.879 --> 02:28:48.159 science, and this is what we get. It's the twilet's go the twilet 1618 02:28:48.239 --> 02:28:54.239 flushing sound and sound. It's the renic. And then you had the dog 1619 02:28:54.319 --> 02:29:00.520 for there is a dog sound. There is a dog sounds. Your mask. 1620 02:29:01.040 --> 02:29:05.280 It's the only good one. Hello, yeah, now you're stearing it. 1621 02:29:11.600 --> 02:29:15.639 I like the siren. The siren is the worst thing ever, It's 1622 02:29:15.639 --> 02:29:18.559 so beautiful. I had this once in a debate and I dropped something and 1623 02:29:18.559 --> 02:29:20.559 all of a sudden everybody started spamming the soundboards it with the fire shit. 1624 02:29:20.600 --> 02:29:24.399 Ever. I wish I had ported it. But then yeah, oh god, 1625 02:29:28.200 --> 02:29:37.040 he became he became the Druid. Now yeah, but what is stuff? 1626 02:29:41.239 --> 02:30:05.399 Oh my god, you sound like you're inside the Stasha. Now you 1627 02:30:05.520 --> 02:30:13.520 sound like this is a this is a helium balloon. Do you actually have 1628 02:30:13.639 --> 02:30:22.479 a helium balloon on you right now? Yeah? I'm balloon? Oh god, 1629 02:30:24.479 --> 02:30:30.840 Okay, now back to normal? Elon shout sure were you sure? 1630 02:30:30.959 --> 02:30:33.680 Back to me? Can you say, just for Catherine Brodsky's benefit, that 1631 02:30:33.760 --> 02:30:39.559 this is the best space You've ever been in? It's the best space I've 1632 02:30:39.600 --> 02:30:46.319 ever been in? Thank you? It was. It was pretty pretty fun 1633 02:30:46.360 --> 02:30:58.639 and entertaining. And yeah, Catherine, can, I asked? And there 1634 02:30:58.680 --> 02:31:03.719 we were. We went from like a serious conversation to like really random questions 1635 02:31:03.760 --> 02:31:18.959 to healium balloons. Far to win then and soundedlikes yes, I meant, 1636 02:31:18.280 --> 02:31:26.120 yeah, quite journey. We really I could do really quite the journey, 1637 02:31:26.520 --> 02:31:33.680 missus mask. This wasn't av Is Elon too old to be grounded to his 1638 02:31:33.879 --> 02:31:41.479 room for abusing these voices? Yeah, I didn't think I've sent him to 1639 02:31:41.600 --> 02:31:46.639 a room since he was I don't know how often did I send you to 1640 02:31:46.719 --> 02:31:50.399 a room eto, It's never to start, very rare if I did. 1641 02:31:50.479 --> 02:31:54.319 Ever, you had lots to read. You were always happy to read, 1642 02:31:54.440 --> 02:32:01.760 so that was fun. And then video games? Was he a good teenager? 1643 02:32:01.920 --> 02:32:07.719 Was he a rebellious teenager? No? Good? But he would fall 1644 02:32:07.799 --> 02:32:11.040 off roofs and out of trees. He would fall out of trees. Yeah, 1645 02:32:13.159 --> 02:32:16.760 how is it a punishment to send a teenager to their to their realm? 1646 02:32:16.280 --> 02:32:20.120 They just played video games. They love to be in their ream Yeah, 1647 02:32:20.120 --> 02:32:22.680 but he was who knews? What else they were in video games in 1648 02:32:22.799 --> 02:32:26.120 his time? Really? Well, there weren't video games that you're play in 1649 02:32:26.159 --> 02:32:31.200 my room. There wasn't a well to use a TV, so there's only 1650 02:32:31.239 --> 02:32:41.280 one TV. Yeah that options or you made your own own video game at 1651 02:32:41.799 --> 02:32:46.559 twelve years old. And when I showed it to the engineers at the university, 1652 02:32:48.079 --> 02:32:50.360 they said, wow, he knows all the shortcuts. And I thought, 1653 02:32:50.479 --> 02:32:58.639 okay, I only had like ak Rams. So what was the video 1654 02:32:58.719 --> 02:33:03.040 game E one? What was a Blessed Star? Yeah? I mean it's 1655 02:33:03.079 --> 02:33:07.680 just it's a space video game where you're fighting an aliens fighting up an alien 1656 02:33:07.719 --> 02:33:13.520 spaceship. I like space in Beatis, but more of a one on one 1657 02:33:13.639 --> 02:33:18.479 jewel So I guess I just played an early interest in space. So I 1658 02:33:18.639 --> 02:33:20.520 peel like, were you always interested in space? Well? I did. 1659 02:33:20.959 --> 02:33:22.840 The first video game that I actually sold the money was, in fact the 1660 02:33:22.879 --> 02:33:28.440 Space video game, so that suggests an early interesting space. And then you 1661 02:33:28.559 --> 02:33:31.239 got five hundred dollars for it, but they didn't know you were twelve, 1662 02:33:31.440 --> 02:33:35.280 but it was published when you were thirteen. Yeah. Yeah, but then 1663 02:33:35.319 --> 02:33:41.799 I didn't actually have a bank account, so that I I didn't get a 1664 02:33:41.799 --> 02:33:43.639 bank account to but yeah, I didn't know I was a kid. So 1665 02:33:46.280 --> 02:33:50.920 did you Did you ever blow anything up? Yeah? Sure, blow up 1666 02:33:50.959 --> 02:33:56.159 lots of spas. Yeah, but I didn't see it, of course, 1667 02:33:56.280 --> 02:34:00.440 because I would go crazy if that happened. I think every one does that 1668 02:34:00.799 --> 02:34:03.760 at some point in their lives. I blew up a rock once just because 1669 02:34:03.159 --> 02:34:09.559 it was a bad idea. I set a fire to a playground. This 1670 02:34:09.840 --> 02:34:15.639 was probably not a good idea. In retrospect, I can see that I 1671 02:34:15.719 --> 02:34:20.760 could see Catherine setting fire to the playground. I loved. I love that 1672 02:34:20.920 --> 02:34:28.600 stuff, Catherine. Guys about your book to Elan, Oh my god, 1673 02:34:28.760 --> 02:34:31.319 I feel so bad, like very kind of you guys to pin my book. 1674 02:34:31.479 --> 02:34:37.040 But I feel yeah, I mean, I think I'm sorry. That 1675 02:34:37.159 --> 02:34:43.840 was an opener and I really really want that right right, So go ahead 1676 02:34:43.840 --> 02:34:46.000 and ask you a question and then we'll go to broad Okay, thank you, 1677 02:34:46.600 --> 02:34:54.520 So okay, Eilan question. I'm a woman, and I'm sure you've 1678 02:34:54.559 --> 02:34:58.079 gotten this question plenty of times. I've seen you somewhat respond to it. 1679 02:34:58.319 --> 02:35:07.079 But the running community is wondering why certain accounts of that basically sponsored by this 1680 02:35:07.559 --> 02:35:13.879 republic, that call for the active genocide of not just Iranians themselves, but 1681 02:35:13.040 --> 02:35:20.520 Jewish people and the destruction of the state of Israel, why are they allowed 1682 02:35:22.280 --> 02:35:30.399 to be on that You've mentioned that, it's there's like hominy because here's the 1683 02:35:30.479 --> 02:35:35.200 thing. People in your aren't allowed to use Twitter and sorry x sorry, 1684 02:35:35.840 --> 02:35:41.879 So people are not allowed to use this app, but the government belf actively 1685 02:35:43.000 --> 02:35:46.959 uses it, and because especially when they cut off the internet when they're doing 1686 02:35:48.079 --> 02:35:54.879 executions. So we're just wondering what would it take to remove these accounts from 1687 02:35:54.959 --> 02:36:03.559 this platform. Well, I am an. Accounts which call for yeah out 1688 02:36:03.559 --> 02:36:11.959 of call for for violence or uh death uh illegal are supposed to be suspended. 1689 02:36:11.120 --> 02:36:15.559 So if they're not being suspended, that's an oversight. Now we do 1690 02:36:15.760 --> 02:36:20.239 have we're call a sort of an UN exemption, which is that if if 1691 02:36:20.479 --> 02:36:28.040 if if it's a recognized government, you know, let's say that Iatola who 1692 02:36:28.280 --> 02:36:31.399 is capable, is able to say these things at the u N, then 1693 02:36:31.559 --> 02:36:35.079 we do allow them on the platform. For the same reason that that we 1694 02:36:35.440 --> 02:36:37.360 sort of generally agreed that it's better to have the new end and not to 1695 02:36:37.360 --> 02:36:43.239 have the u N, although some were disagree with me on that because you 1696 02:36:43.319 --> 02:36:46.680 know, sometimes you want to sort of understand what is their real position. 1697 02:36:46.440 --> 02:36:54.360 So you know, if people are uncertain as to whether, say Iran, 1698 02:36:54.879 --> 02:36:58.760 what's the annihilation of Israel, well you can just go look at the Idolos 1699 02:36:58.799 --> 02:37:05.879 commount counties pretty clear that they do it fact want then So yeah, But 1700 02:37:05.959 --> 02:37:11.079 apart from the sort of UN exemption of if somebody is recognized leader by the 1701 02:37:11.200 --> 02:37:15.159 Yuan of the country, which means we allow them to come to New York 1702 02:37:15.200 --> 02:37:18.360 even if they're under sanctions, and you know, say also it's about rageous 1703 02:37:18.399 --> 02:37:24.200 things at the at the partium in Yuan, then in the interest of sulitating 1704 02:37:26.000 --> 02:37:31.280 globill so some kind of dialogue, we do allow them to be on the 1705 02:37:31.360 --> 02:37:35.360 system. And obviously if we if we if we apply the rule of well, 1706 02:37:35.360 --> 02:37:41.079 if any politician says outrageous things that they get suspended, well we're suspending 1707 02:37:41.079 --> 02:37:46.319 a lot of American politicians too. You know, Lindsey Graham keeps wanting to 1708 02:37:46.360 --> 02:37:50.079 bomb Iran and and many other places. For example, we don't suspend him, 1709 02:37:54.040 --> 02:37:56.879 thank you. I mean, I understand, we just you know, 1710 02:37:56.399 --> 02:38:01.559 other platforms that have been on them, and I understand the situation that a 1711 02:38:01.760 --> 02:38:05.639 platform such as this would be. But when we do see active calls of 1712 02:38:05.840 --> 02:38:11.280 destruction of people, you know, and then other people fall along with it, 1713 02:38:11.040 --> 02:38:20.520 it's somewhat the question arises of what is why is a world leader calling 1714 02:38:20.360 --> 02:38:26.559 the destruction of not only community but an entire country and also the denial of 1715 02:38:26.639 --> 02:38:33.600 the Holocaust itself. And so we're just hoping that maybe something can be done, 1716 02:38:33.639 --> 02:38:37.280 maybe the verification can go away, maybe they can be monitored, because 1717 02:38:37.479 --> 02:38:41.360 they do have a lot of their own employees on the account as well. 1718 02:38:41.399 --> 02:38:46.760 They have around like two hundred fifty thousand Fiber Battalion cyber Army people that do 1719 02:38:46.959 --> 02:38:54.120 trol this platform and do get a lot of us reported, and smear campaigns 1720 02:38:54.159 --> 02:38:58.360 go on, and earlier there was a conversation around doxing, which it is 1721 02:38:58.600 --> 02:39:03.360 very I mean, we have Pride reporting all of these and nothing really happens, 1722 02:39:03.040 --> 02:39:09.319 and these accounts are continuously going on, boxing in smear campaigns not just 1723 02:39:09.559 --> 02:39:16.559 on public figures, but on individuals such as myself or others that you know, 1724 02:39:16.719 --> 02:39:20.120 our lives can be in danger, our families, lives actually are in 1725 02:39:20.239 --> 02:39:24.760 Iran, can be in danger. So I appreciate you taking the time to 1726 02:39:24.799 --> 02:39:28.479 answer that, but I hope, hope that maybe there can be a little 1727 02:39:28.520 --> 02:39:33.879 bit more structure around that and a little bit more attention to people that for 1728 02:39:33.959 --> 02:39:37.600 example, I know you mentioned a couple of months ago calling from you know, 1729 02:39:37.040 --> 02:39:39.680 a call to genocide of from the River to the Sea, calls for 1730 02:39:39.719 --> 02:39:43.719 active suspension, and there are people that are still doing this day. So 1731 02:39:45.159 --> 02:39:46.920 I appreciate everything you're doing. I know that you've done a lot for the 1732 02:39:48.079 --> 02:39:52.760 running community, but it is an ask from us to maybe try and monitor 1733 02:39:52.879 --> 02:40:00.799 certain accounts that have large followings that actively but people's lives in danger. Okay, 1734 02:40:00.920 --> 02:40:07.959 sure, yeah, I will look into it. And you know it's 1735 02:40:07.680 --> 02:40:13.159 it's not always easy, like obviously you know, it's easier to review things 1736 02:40:13.200 --> 02:40:16.200 that are in English. If they are a far see, it's a little 1737 02:40:16.200 --> 02:40:22.879 a little harder. But the rules of the platform are suddenly that you know, 1738 02:40:22.159 --> 02:40:28.319 equally for the death or the structure of individuals or nations is illegal and 1739 02:40:28.719 --> 02:40:33.360 what resultant suspension with the exception of the u N rule, which is that 1740 02:40:33.440 --> 02:40:35.399 if somebody is a recognized world leader and can say that the u N, 1741 02:40:35.479 --> 02:40:39.079 then we do allow them to say it on the platform for the same reason 1742 02:40:39.120 --> 02:40:43.399 that we allowed the UN to you know, your General Assembly to gather in 1743 02:40:43.440 --> 02:40:48.000 New York and and say outrageous things. You know, it's not a cut 1744 02:40:48.040 --> 02:40:54.799 situation, but probably better than than not having any contact from them. So 1745 02:40:56.639 --> 02:41:01.920 all right, cool, Well, I think think all the times you wrap 1746 02:41:03.000 --> 02:41:05.840 this up. If we go to a last question and then we'll wrap up. 1747 02:41:07.360 --> 02:41:11.639 Elon. This is Brian Keating and professor of physics at U SEE San 1748 02:41:11.680 --> 02:41:16.040 Diego. I got two physics questions I'm hoping you can answer or chime in 1749 02:41:16.159 --> 02:41:20.719 on. So I study the cosmic microwat background radiation, which is the after 1750 02:41:20.879 --> 02:41:24.840 glow of the Big Bang Whi's discovered sixty five years sixty years ago or so, 1751 02:41:24.520 --> 02:41:31.879 and this radiation is thermaline origin. And we are applauding your efforts in 1752 02:41:31.920 --> 02:41:35.959 the astronomy community to make the Starlink satellites dark for optical astronomy. But we 1753 02:41:37.239 --> 02:41:41.120 microwave astronomers who use signals. We're trying to detect this after glow of inflationary 1754 02:41:41.239 --> 02:41:46.920 gravitational waves in Cuban, essentially in Cuban, and you know, there's really 1755 02:41:48.000 --> 02:41:52.399 no way to block out a million kelvin equivalent signal that you're transmitting with starling. 1756 02:41:52.639 --> 02:41:54.840 I'm wondering, is there any way we could work with you from the 1757 02:41:54.959 --> 02:42:01.399 South Pole or Chile where our observatories are located, to absolutetive availability or some 1758 02:42:01.559 --> 02:42:03.959 way, because once this channel is gone, we'll never get it back. 1759 02:42:05.120 --> 02:42:09.159 And this is, you know, potentially precluding a view into the you know, 1760 02:42:09.239 --> 02:42:13.760 inflationary origin of the cosmos. So I know, I know it's very 1761 02:42:13.760 --> 02:42:16.239 important to you, and we're appreciative of the astronomy efforts and optical astronomy, 1762 02:42:16.280 --> 02:42:24.360 but microwave is a totally different ballgame. Sure, I do think long term, 1763 02:42:24.799 --> 02:42:31.840 the right place for telescopes or really any a quotroon receiver is in orbit 1764 02:42:31.120 --> 02:42:37.000 or you know, basically space, so you don't have the experience worth and 1765 02:42:37.520 --> 02:42:43.559 as you're a starship starts launching, we can put up some pretty big heelescopes 1766 02:42:43.079 --> 02:42:50.120 or yeah, ten meter diameter telescopes, so pretty hard to put and they 1767 02:42:50.159 --> 02:42:54.000 don't really unfold the way that web would. But I mean, I think 1768 02:42:54.040 --> 02:42:56.399 we'll be telling that the selective availability. I'm basically blanking it over the South 1769 02:42:56.440 --> 02:43:01.120 Pole. We only have two locations on Earth where we need to have it 1770 02:43:01.239 --> 02:43:07.600 unobstructed. Okay, is there's someone would you say like these basically just stuff 1771 02:43:07.719 --> 02:43:13.959 stoff transmitting just over these. Yeah, it's the two observatory, Yeah, 1772 02:43:13.959 --> 02:43:16.959 in the out of Comma Desert in Chile a seventeen thousand feet and the South 1773 02:43:16.000 --> 02:43:22.000 Pole Antarctica, which is, yeah, place we'd love to take you, 1774 02:43:22.079 --> 02:43:26.799 by the way, Simon's Observatory, Jim Simon's funded it, and that's of 1775 02:43:26.879 --> 02:43:33.520 Science Foundation funds the South Pole observatco BISOP and then but yeah, so if 1776 02:43:33.559 --> 02:43:37.200 you if you have any resources he could put me in touch with, they 1777 02:43:37.200 --> 02:43:43.079 would be really appreciated. Yeah, I mean, I'll talk to these songs 1778 02:43:43.079 --> 02:43:48.040 to you about this. I have a we have a technical update every week. 1779 02:43:50.159 --> 02:43:58.680 So I was about any observation and microwaves spectrum and out of Comma and 1780 02:43:58.799 --> 02:44:05.120 the antartica. So now we don't wish to do in any way the pharmacy 1781 02:44:05.120 --> 02:44:07.879 of science. That would be awesome, thank you. I have one more 1782 02:44:07.959 --> 02:44:11.600 question, just related to physics and AI and related to Catherine's book which brought 1783 02:44:11.680 --> 02:44:16.799 us all here together tonight. The Katherine congratulations Mazeltov them a book. So 1784 02:44:16.959 --> 02:44:20.040 the book called No Apologies. One of the things I hate most about chat 1785 02:44:20.120 --> 02:44:24.520 GPT woke GPT is you know, he'll ask you some question. I'll say, 1786 02:44:24.520 --> 02:44:26.079 you know, what did Brian Keating Wright And I'll say, you know, 1787 02:44:26.200 --> 02:44:30.840 losing the Nobel Prize correct, you know, into the impossible correct. 1788 02:44:31.200 --> 02:44:33.920 And then I'll say a brief history of time? No that's not correct. 1789 02:44:33.959 --> 02:44:37.559 And I'll say, no, that's not right. I didn't write that's Stephen 1790 02:44:37.600 --> 02:44:41.000 Hawking. And then we'll talk. I apologize, I apologize, I hate 1791 02:44:41.040 --> 02:44:45.840 that, I hate the I want them Katherine Brodsky, No apologies, but 1792 02:44:46.239 --> 02:44:48.079 but it made me think about a true Turing test, and I want to 1793 02:44:48.079 --> 02:44:52.680 get your opinion on I've asked Nick Bostrom and David Chalmers and your greatest ideas 1794 02:44:52.719 --> 02:44:56.559 and thinkers. Peter di Amanda's our mutual friend. I said, do you 1795 02:44:56.639 --> 02:45:01.239 know what Einstein called his happiest thought? Elon? That gave him shivers and 1796 02:45:01.639 --> 02:45:07.239 titillated him. Do you know what he said that once? He said, 1797 02:45:07.159 --> 02:45:13.399 that's PG. Don't worry, he said. He said it was that an 1798 02:45:13.440 --> 02:45:20.360 observer in freefall would experience no gravitational force. And it made me think, 1799 02:45:20.520 --> 02:45:26.879 because to what extent could a computer or some silicon or even quantum computer, 1800 02:45:26.040 --> 02:45:35.600 could it even have either the happiest thought or be experienced the sensation of visceral 1801 02:45:35.680 --> 02:45:39.760 sensation of free fol So I'm wondering if you could propose another, you know, 1802 02:45:39.840 --> 02:45:43.760 kind of Turing toast, a different definition of AGI, which would be 1803 02:45:43.159 --> 02:45:48.040 actually coming up with new laws of physics or new complete paradigms of physics rather 1804 02:45:48.120 --> 02:45:50.920 than just you know, physics is a base way of reality. I mean 1805 02:45:52.000 --> 02:45:56.440 you always quote that, right, So what to what extent could we could 1806 02:45:56.479 --> 02:46:01.079 we redefine AI is when it becomes generally intelligent when it can experience happy thoughts, 1807 02:46:03.319 --> 02:46:07.079 free fall and other things like that. So curious about your thoughts fact, 1808 02:46:09.319 --> 02:46:15.159 well, I think you can certainly have a that I would think it's 1809 02:46:15.159 --> 02:46:18.479 a would not realize this to the simulation which maybe in the case for us 1810 02:46:18.559 --> 02:46:24.440 right now, and that would have a you know, a true physics engine 1811 02:46:24.280 --> 02:46:28.719 and falling away that a human would fall and thus experienced sensations in the same 1812 02:46:28.760 --> 02:46:37.760 way I do think about. I do think there are some the simulations I 1813 02:46:37.799 --> 02:46:46.239 have lots us does explain some elements of quantum mechanics, such as, you 1814 02:46:46.280 --> 02:46:50.360 know, only collapsing the probability distribution when you look at something like why why 1815 02:46:50.399 --> 02:46:54.120 would something the LHC when you look at it, Well, if it's if 1816 02:46:54.120 --> 02:46:58.799 it's rendering in real time, then that's actually how video game works. Like 1817 02:46:58.920 --> 02:47:03.040 if you're in video like to say in World war craftice something, and you 1818 02:47:03.319 --> 02:47:09.559 walk through a forest and there's a rash and a rat appears. But before 1819 02:47:09.600 --> 02:47:11.559 that was there a rat or not a rat. There was only a probability 1820 02:47:11.639 --> 02:47:16.479 of a rat. So and the rat only became real when you when you 1821 02:47:16.559 --> 02:47:20.000 look in that direction. That collapse of quality space and rat appeared. So 1822 02:47:22.479 --> 02:47:28.559 so I think version theory actually explains a lot of things that seemed quite mysterious, 1823 02:47:28.600 --> 02:47:35.200 the stroderings Cat situation. But it required infinite infinite compute, right, 1824 02:47:35.200 --> 02:47:41.559 because you could always say who simulates the simulators? Infinite regret? Right, 1825 02:47:41.719 --> 02:47:48.120 It does beg the question of where's where's the simulator running? Yeah, and 1826 02:47:48.680 --> 02:47:52.600 and it may be that that that you have a whole series of nested simulations. 1827 02:47:52.920 --> 02:48:01.399 But at some point there is the unsimulated thing. But ultimately the physical 1828 02:48:01.479 --> 02:48:03.879 reality. I mean, all these things are gonna be running on a rocky 1829 02:48:03.959 --> 02:48:07.120 planet somewhere, right that doesn't have infinite copper. It doesn't have infinite mineral 1830 02:48:07.319 --> 02:48:11.520 density to retrieve. So I mean there are planetary limits to growth, as 1831 02:48:11.600 --> 02:48:16.159 you know, the Club of Rome would call it. Don't those provide I 1832 02:48:16.239 --> 02:48:20.760 mean you can't imagine, you know, changing the physical reality of an earth 1833 02:48:20.920 --> 02:48:24.840 like planet. You know, you can't imagine these simulations running on something very 1834 02:48:24.920 --> 02:48:26.360 different from an Earth like planet. It's not going to run on a Boltzmann 1835 02:48:26.399 --> 02:48:31.319 brain. So at some level it needs physical reality. And so again you 1836 02:48:31.360 --> 02:48:33.159 can't break a lot of the physics. So how does it get around the 1837 02:48:33.200 --> 02:48:37.840 planetary resource problem. You can't make an infinite number of paper clips on a 1838 02:48:37.920 --> 02:48:45.399 finite planet. Well, I don't make if you really need that much. 1839 02:48:48.760 --> 02:48:54.120 It's not really like like the universe may seem infinite to us. But frankly, 1840 02:48:54.120 --> 02:48:56.520 if I was creating a simulation that's reality out you know, out with 1841 02:48:56.639 --> 02:49:00.840 the stars far enough the way that we do not have to simulate the details 1842 02:49:00.879 --> 02:49:05.879 of the planets, and in fact that it's the situation. So you really 1843 02:49:05.959 --> 02:49:11.920 just have to simulate type fidelity what is observed on our planet as much? 1844 02:49:11.040 --> 02:49:18.479 How much is their task than old of reality? And I sort of you 1845 02:49:18.559 --> 02:49:22.799 know, joking that, you know, when the James Web telescope went up, 1846 02:49:22.879 --> 02:49:28.200 that maybe the reason for the blaze was that the simulators needed to bring 1847 02:49:28.280 --> 02:49:31.639 more computers online because now that we can see further, they needed to improve 1848 02:49:33.000 --> 02:49:37.600 they of their simulation, so like their equivalent of Amazon Web Services or something. 1849 02:49:43.479 --> 02:49:48.239 I'd like I'd like to add that I don't think German Elon Voice could 1850 02:49:48.360 --> 02:49:54.159 answer in the same way as Elon did. Yeah, there's a gap. 1851 02:49:54.319 --> 02:49:56.879 There's a gap. There's a huge Dolge gap. He's older than me. 1852 02:50:00.120 --> 02:50:03.719 There's a difference in the simulations. You know, like you know they're not 1853 02:50:03.879 --> 02:50:09.440 exact. There's irregularities, they don't quite match up. I think there needs 1854 02:50:09.479 --> 02:50:15.760 to be It's like our yeah, and if I wasn't at least pretty good 1855 02:50:15.799 --> 02:50:20.639 at physics, then the ruckus would explode and the cause wouldn't work because physics 1856 02:50:20.719 --> 02:50:22.079 is a very harsh judge. I mean, I like to say that, 1857 02:50:24.159 --> 02:50:26.959 you know, physics is the law and everything else is recommendation, meaning that 1858 02:50:28.120 --> 02:50:31.079 you know you can't break physics, but but plenty of people can break the 1859 02:50:31.159 --> 02:50:39.559 law. And if you're breaking physics, you're you're either run or you need 1860 02:50:39.600 --> 02:50:43.200 a Nobel prize, but most likely you're wrong. He like, can I 1861 02:50:43.200 --> 02:50:46.360 ask you a question? A father of half as many kids as you have? 1862 02:50:48.079 --> 02:50:52.440 Sure, so I've heard it said, you know you want to you 1863 02:50:52.479 --> 02:50:56.399 want to die on Mars, and our mutual friend Lord Martin Reese said, 1864 02:50:56.479 --> 02:51:01.360 I just hope it's not on impact, and I agree with that. But 1865 02:51:01.840 --> 02:51:05.280 you know, being a father, you've got that cute kid probably right next 1866 02:51:05.319 --> 02:51:11.000 to you. I mean, yeah, I mean, but you have other 1867 02:51:11.079 --> 02:51:15.159 kids too, and I mean to say goodbye to a child is I mean 1868 02:51:15.280 --> 02:51:18.799 you, I don't have to tell you that it's the most painful thing you 1869 02:51:18.840 --> 02:51:22.760 can ever imagine. But wouldn't you have to? I mean, wouldn't that 1870 02:51:22.879 --> 02:51:26.959 be kind of the ultimate, you know, going away on a business trip, 1871 02:51:26.360 --> 02:51:28.399 if you were to do that. I mean, I just I don't 1872 02:51:28.440 --> 02:51:31.719 know. I find it hard to go away on a trip, but I 1873 02:51:31.799 --> 02:51:33.479 know you take your kids with you. I got one of my girls right 1874 02:51:33.600 --> 02:51:37.079 here with me right now, and she doesn't want to go to bed. 1875 02:51:37.479 --> 02:51:39.799 But I mean, what would you do? I mean, could you really 1876 02:51:39.840 --> 02:51:43.440 say goodbye to some of your kids or some of the people you love, 1877 02:51:43.520 --> 02:51:50.879 maybe your mom never see her again. Well I don't want to say good 1878 02:51:50.920 --> 02:52:01.680 guy. I mean we'll well, we'll didventually. I think we don't have 1879 02:52:01.799 --> 02:52:05.520 to worry about that for a few more years, Okay, I think so 1880 02:52:05.719 --> 02:52:09.639 two plus. Maybe they'll want to come on the trip, right, you 1881 02:52:09.719 --> 02:52:13.319 don't know, and maybe it'd be quicker, so you can come back if 1882 02:52:13.360 --> 02:52:16.000 you want. Is you fear? You fear a lot of things in your 1883 02:52:16.079 --> 02:52:22.879 life, but most don't happen. That's very true, very true, so 1884 02:52:24.000 --> 02:52:31.159 much She and and uh and and his mom who's doctor musk. So two 1885 02:52:31.239 --> 02:52:35.600 musks on one space and then one one person who sounds alike, so you 1886 02:52:35.719 --> 02:52:39.799 know it's been a it's been an interesting trip. I think it's not quite 1887 02:52:39.840 --> 02:52:43.159 a trip to Mars, but you know, a trip that's three fun. 1888 02:52:43.479 --> 02:52:48.040 But but but Catherine, we've got we've got you, We've got will X, 1889 02:52:48.479 --> 02:52:54.879 we've got made video space hosted by Catherine when they come out, can 1890 02:52:54.920 --> 02:53:03.680 we make that happen? Thanks everyone for joining. Really appreciate and really appreciate 1891 02:53:03.760 --> 02:53:07.959 Elon for being here and taking so many questions as well. So thanks everyone, 1892 02:53:07.360 --> 02:53:11.000 and uh, we'll see you in Mars. We'll urg just on the 1893 02:53:11.079 --> 02:53:20.440 platform X whichever congratu there in space somewhere. Goodnight, everybody, it's midnight 1894 02:53:20.520 --> 02:53:22.600 here. Good night, good good night.