When you were in your twenties and you were envisioning the life ahead of you,
What is it that you predict did you did you think about what it
might look like? And is it at all similar to where you are today?
No, I didn't think anything, Like SpaceX tells what happened. I
well, yeah, so it's completely Yeah, I'm pretty my twenties. Yes,
let's see. Well I termed thirty and two thousand and one, so
yeah, I that was before the SpaceX was I've formed in two thousand and
two, and that tells it was really technically incorporated in two thousand and three,
but really didn't get going till two thousand and four. Some I think
to two thousand fourth when where acre date tells the two three and both space
Ex and Tesla when they started, I thought both probably failed. I gave
less than attemptent chance of succeeding. But I thought, if you know,
I made quite a bit of money from PayPal. I mean I was large
a shareholder in PayPal, so and I had about one hundred and eighty million
dollars and slab sad a lot of money. So I figured I just effectively
just waste half of it on these foolish, foolish rocket and electric car companies,
and and then it turned out they needed basically all of the money.
So then I spent d up giving all of the money to SpaceX and Tanes
and some of it to Sier City, and and they're still almost going back
rupt in both Moss. So, I mean, I just really wanted to
be involved in technologies that would change the world that was made on the real
Bult. Well, you you certainly did do that. Do you think there's
anything that people might misunderstand about you? No, nothing at all. I
think I detected stork my storkcats mate. Never, never, I can think
of something sarcastic. Well, you know, it's it's difficult because I find,
you know, even on the small scale that I've experienced it, like
I, I find it very difficult, and people miss misunderstand something about me
and then judge me, and so I kind of want to correct them and
have you sort of let that. Well, I mean, there's so much
prendant about me that I actually don't even I can't even read it all.
But if I would take a large portion of my day to simply to read
all of the nonsense iCal e about me have grind about me over the years
when I find the regular news or what it called the legacy media just depressing
and often just uninformative or speaking of misinformation. It's remarkable how often there is
just misinformation or just stopping information printed in what, you know, some of
the biggest publications in the world. I mean, the Wall Street Journal is
I think now printed three articles saying that I'm high all the time, which
is really uh, like, I guess a compliment, because I mean,
you are high in the yes from an altitude step. But I'm certainly fly
a lot because my I'm flying around like a lunatic working by the way,
not you know, going to my yacht or I don't have a riboland or
or even a holiday home. In fact, more quite someone looked at my
flight schedule and and put it to pinball music because I was flying around best
around like so it listened. My flat path looked like a pinball machine,
so I which I think, you know, it really makes it fear that
you do have to be at work in person. You can't actually work from
welm and be as effective. You know, this is some wor work from
wim thing. Well, if I could work from wim I why why am
I flying around all the time? I fly around all the time. It
makes big dimples to be learned person. And I spent Yeah, so I've
spent many a night in the factory Tesla SpaceX and well that most of the
task. Its's been much more about a challenge on the Maine backroom front,
and just it tells us just in general, been much more of a drama
way, if that's still a thing. One can serning drama and queen a
drama bonock, Yes so, and should posting lord Lord. I think I
think that's the official title. I've heard that said in the media, so
you know it must be true. Drama monoch, I like that that's you.
So yeah, but it does it does really matter to be their person.
I'm actually all that way to help when you're full space section testing the
aids primarily Tesla actually and so yeah, well it's one of those things where
I do think, like our humanity, I do think we need some face
to face. I am crazy and I love working from home, but I
also need to see people and brain You know, you can't really brainstorm with
people, not you know, not fast to face, but in terms of
like you know, you've stated many times that you're free each absolutist, and
you bought this platform at least in part to set the bird free. And
I believe there's even many means on that. So it's been about a year
and a half and I'm wondering, you know, through this experience, have
you learned anything about speak of social media platforms that surprised you? And do
you think there may be there is a degree that's necessary, you know,
in a private platform for a good user experience. Well, I mean it's
been many things that surprise me. Having the amount of government control, of
degree to which Twitter was acting at the beat of the many obs of the
government was a surprise to me. They really were, you know, in
my view, in my view that there were many violations, uh the First
Amendment, which I think you're in Canada, but there is you know,
there's no actual First Amendment in Canada, but there's one in the US.
And you know, and and the government cannot exercise the factor control of the
media. And the reason that man was pretty place is because people came from
countries where you work forbidden to speak on penalty of prison or death, and
so they wanted to have the ability to say what they you know, to
speak really without fear of of severe punishment, at least not from the government.
So so that that was, you know, that was really a very
troubling discovery. And then I think obviously anyone who watches that Twitter was was
very much controlled by far left activists, very far left, and you know,
it was really controlled by a niche ideology that geographically is limited to the
city of San Francisco and Berkeley, not even it doesn't even extend to the
city of South San Francisco or Siddaly not it's Palo Alto. So so you
know, a fall up niche ideology that would ordinarily be geographically contained was effectively
piping that what you know, what most people consider it extreme, what most
of the world night acs of the world there ideology was pipe was was pumping
that to anywhere on Earth that would allowed what it to exist, So that
you know, that's I thought it was. It was effectively one time,
you know, so the world and so it's gonna get to be done about
that, I thought it was. It was it was actually a civilizational risk.
So you know, I think if if the United States does, for
that that would be there's a nice people think, well, they'll they'll escape
to New Zealand, no other place. It's like, that's that's not gonna
that's not realistic. Canada will if a nice days falls, Canada is going
to become a province in Russia. And I don't know what's going to happen
to the other countries, but they're not gonna. They supply under the protective
umbrella of the United States. The United States is this is a central fall,
central tentpole that holds up the entire oedipus of Western civilization. So we
just have we have to make sure that the United States is strong, that
it remains democracy. And free speech is the bedrock of the functioning democracy.
You cannot have a true democracy unless people uh can say that say what they
want to say, and can and can learn the truth of things, because
otherwise you're making we work based on a lack of information or a distorted view
of information, and which can make the boage effectively meaningless because you don't know
what to put on what basis to make you look. So I think this
is something that is extremely important, and that's the reason for require Twitter and
and I think we do want a fresh start hens the different branding and and
and also accessibably a much broader system in Twitter, which is the name that
made sense when you're doing a one hundred body character or short textual tweets.
It was it was a bit like words some twittering away. But once you
start having three hour videos and uh, what are your video calling? And
we will be launching payments later this year, then the name no longer fits
the you know, it would be like naming a company that has broad ranging
products after one product three great sense to do that, And I think also
think it was we want to leave. We want to sort of put the
you know, free the word and let letter fly free and and and be
something else. So sorry, go ahead. Yeah, So that's that's the
reasoning for it. But do you feel that maybe like having now had ownership
of it for a while, you know, you do have some regulations on
the platform, you know, certain way to be, you know, and
they're not all things that necessarily go against the law, right like obviously you
know, threaten someone with violence, But some of the modern maat on the
platform isn't really to do with things they're legal, like where's what's your perspective
on that. Well, actually, the we really should be hearing as close
to the low as possible, so and and really extremely I think reluctant to
have permanent bands on people because I think opponent ban it's almost like the death
sense, so that that should be a very rare thing. So you know,
it's like like we you know it, and where were less of lives
as a society, we would execute people with wider crimes or and now it
comes inclusion, Well that's that's wrong. The crime should but the people should
be inconstrated for some period of time but not forever, and they shouldn't be
executed unless it's in the very extreme circumstance. So so I think that's kind
of what we should be doing. And that doesn't mean at the same time
that you just get to harass other people on the platform. Uh. They
obviously have the ability to to mute from you to I'm getting around to getting
rid of the block, but obvious the stronger mute. So so like you
really don't want to hear from someone you there's not some way to get around
and which you can just cute them entirely. So in general, if we
are suspending people for or accounts for reasons that we'll go beyond the law.
I'd like to know about that, because I don't think we should be suspecting
people for reasons that whether there's not a probable legal interaction. Yeah, I
guess my thinking around that things like it so I used to be, you
know, I think really much more of a free speak absolutely listen to some
extent, its still am. But when it comes to private platforms or just
my engagement, because I used to respond to anybody no matter how they said
to me, I realize, well, they're not coming in good faith.
They're like, I can disagree with them on what they say, but if
they're not coming in good faith, if they're rude, if they're attacking me,
if they're disingenuous, I don't feel like I have a responsibility to engage
with them, And you certainly don't. Yeah, you should have the ability
to quite you know, to to meet them and have them not not bother
you. And and you know, and if if I guess, we do
see that there's like a coordinated attack two uh, effectively squash free speech of
the platform, then that that would certainly be reasons for at least the temporary
suspension of the accounts that engage in that behavior, and then those temporary suspensions
would grow in length, kind of like when you you know, if you're
having your password too many times on your phone, gives you longer and longer
times. You can't just reforce hacket met you know, We've got we have
a system now where it's give people a short suspension, then a lot than
a longer suspension. Eventually the suspension length gets longer and longer if they keep
doing it, and hopefully that serves as a deterrent to you know, bad
behavior. But with full permanent suspensions, we really need to be a situation
where someone is engaged in obviously you work broad or threatening like auto equivalently threatening
violence. They're doing things that are just obviously illegal. Do you have enough
people you think to be able to handle that or do you proceed using AI
to handle you know, things like threats, like things that are in direct
violation. I don't. It's not it's not a number of people think I
think we need. Uh, we're all reorganizing a company and we are bringing
like a lot of a lot of the work is done by sort of contractors
in other countries, like for English language moderation, and they sometimes just don't
understand the context of what's being said, so we'll we'll get too ready false
positives or false negatives where they they should be doing somewhat temporary suspension and they're
not, or they suspend someone because but they don't understand that it's an intematic
expression that they actually will mean that literally. So we are fully up internal
UH team are based in the US that I think we better have have a
better under stating of what when when is you know, when when when is
something something somebody really threatening violence versus something bigger speech. It's not it's not
something a matter of quantity, it's it matters that people understand this, which
we stain see Also, the the whole of reporting framework is byzantine, Like
the whole flow of how accounts are reported and then what it's done is extremely
complex and difficult to do to understand, even if you're yeah fufully aware of
say a US colloquialism is so anyway, So we're building up an enal team
and I think we'll be using that more and more, which should improve the
plody. But yeah, moderation, but I always, of course that moderation.
You know, it's like all things of moderation, especially moderations, because
moderation is often the use of us short. I mean like when when when
you know, obviously, when when organizations seek to engage in propaganda, they
naturally use mistleeeding tongue because they are arguation propaganda. In fact, I don't
even really like the name Uster and Safety as an organization. I mean,
that'ssary. I would fit very well in George Owelbo. So in generally,
I think it's like they don't show customer service or just you know, not
much moderation. Now, it's true, I mean, I mean, I
agree with you about the words that are being used. I don't think that
they're always intended to be propaganda. I think it's something that sort of starts
as part of the culture, and then there's this sort of feel like you
have to use them. You know. Obviously, I've been in mainstream journalism
for many years. It's not like anybody's ever said to me, hey,
Catherine, you know you need to use these particular words. But you see
them around and you see what each publication uses, and something that you are
sort of taught is that you write in the voice of that publication, and
so it becomes more dominant. This new language becomes more and more dominant,
and people don't really think so much about why are we using these words?
Why have they changed? Right? Yeah, well, I think there's almost
like a attempting fates named something trust in safety. It's inevitably going to be
kind of the opposite. Yeah, I think you want to have a new
newful tone as opposed to something which if there's a ministry of trust and safety,
would you would you trust that? Now we're talking for rebellion trusty called
trust and safety. I don't million news. No, no, that's fair.
And I think look when the whole Twitter files thing came out for me,
you know, I'm comfortable with some moderation, but I'm also okayd with
not you know, I think you want could go either way. However,
when you have as a private entity, I think you have the right to
do what you want. But when you have government organizations exactly telling you what
to do, that to me like that that is where we are looking at
censorships, even if they built it, when you have to do it or
else, there's apply to thread there, but you know the I agree,
yeah, Well, but where I'm sort of struggling lately. You know,
people have always said, you know, senshine is the best disinfectants. You
know, as a as a liberal, you know, it was always like
freedom of speech is so fundamental in my very left leaning schools. That's what
I've sawt and that was the value we had, and and I still,
you know, obviously believe a lot of that. But when we're looking but
when I think about social media structures, right, you have there's a lot
of incentives that are for telling lies. And it's not just the media social
media, and it's not just acts either. It's what it is is every
social media structure, and it's humans. Right, Humans have a tendency to
amplify. I think there are sensational there is incentivized outrage, and so I
don't never well, considering that is the case, do you still feel that
that statement of that the sunshine being the best disinfectant still holds true when you
have basically, you know, lies spreading very very quickly. And I know
you've tried to do really good, you know, I'm I'm I'm a big
fan of actually community notes and I think that's one of these you know,
you can help that, but by providing people with more information rather than censoring
whatever, even if it's a lie. But do you think that that structure,
you know, appeals to truth finding? I guess truth seeking in the
sense that it's when things are exposed, you should be coming to the you
know, the truth should come to the surface. But clearly doesn't always right,
Well, I think honesty is the best policy actually, and so yeah,
you have to make a choice here. Nothing's going to be perfect.
Do whatever. You're on the side of free speech or on the size of
censorship. I think we should are on the side of free speech. And
while it is true that lives are often sensationalized and more interesting than the truth,
over time, if you have free speech, people can at least get
to the truth that they want to. But if you've got human sensors,
well then you're lying on them and up and ate they're wrong, and it
becomes a magnetical for activists, for people who back want to distort the truth.
This is really the problem with having moderation, okay censorship is is that
those who wish to distort the truth will naturally gravitate to positions of power and
information control. So base letter Yeah yeah, so now yeah, so so
this is what this is what happened at Twitter. It didn't start out with
with activists being in control, but it ended up with them being because that's
what they they literally, you know, it's like that's the classic say about
Willie Loman, Why did you know? Why did you rop backs and said
because that's where the money is? Well, so, well, why why
did the activists go and become quo moderators and sensors Because that's where the influence
is. So you can pretty much guarantee that that it will be a mag
that any any kind of stistic or moderation is gonna be a magnetful for people
who want to distorage and control the truth. That's that is what happened at
Tweet. I mean, you're roth. Literally, I believe he actually tweeted
that the reason he wanted to be in charge of trust and safety was because
he wanted to he wanted to be an activists, Like I think he said
that publicly. Here's any I guess that's a good segue into journalism because you
know, this is something that I'm seeing more you know kind of came up
with I had really greats, really people who valuated proof and called me out
when I you know, be as my way in coffee and asked the right
questions. But I have seen sort of the incentive to go into journalism,
especially because it's not a highly paid field, right, So so why would
you go into it? You either really really love something about it or you
want to you know, you'd want to have a cause, and so this
kind of active as journalist emerge. So as a result, I do see
a lot of issues that we have these case as a result. But you've
spoken a lot about citizen journalism, you know, and I've I've always been
really supportive of the idea of citizen journalism. But at the same time,
you know, there is the the sort of mainstream media does still have really
good structures for collecting, use as the resources, as some sort of editorial
standard, but it has undoubtedly lost a lot of trust. Do you see,
you know, citizen journalism as being potentially just complementary. Do you see
it as something that do you do you see way forward where the traditional mainstream
media can rebuild that trust that a lot of it has lost. Because I
still think there's good work that that some journalists do and some publications do.
It's just there's also a lot that I think is fair to criticize. Well,
I think actually that and the legacy media. I think it's correct for
a firm as legacy media. It's really an inefficient way of humanity learning what
is going on. It was it was a it's a it's a it's an
old technology that was necessary before you add the Internet. But it is I
think fundamentally inefficient. Uh. And if you're to simply everyone voicing their opinion
and the most interesting opinions being serviced. But if you think just you say,
like, well, just well, how does the media work. There's
this whole number of prominent publications that write a small number of articles. They
write articles about areas that they don't actually understand and where they were often not
there or they were usually not there as a field, they are undersaid.
So if they're in the best case scenario, you've got someone who it's denserving
that the journalists is doing their absolute best to write an accurate article. That's
something. There's still a lot an expiantal field and they're still and beast what
character cases for it to actually there, So the biscus of that article is
really going to be pretty bad. That's why, you know, if you
really want to say, like how accurate is any given article, well,
when you see an article that you actually actually understand the field or you know
what actually happened, how accurate is that article? It's usually do you read
it and say, that's actually not at all what happened. As usly,
I goes, well, that's true for all the articles. It's not just
true for the things that you're an expert, and it's true for all the
articles. If instead we have a vast and large number of people who are
expert in the field, who are who were there or literally are there right
now, you've got I don't know, one hundred or a thousand or ten
thousand times or sources of information. Source of information better be more accurate because
they're experts in the field or I'm literally there, and and it's just it's
really not something that legacy media can compete with legs. It's thinking like legacy
media is like the fax machine, or like writing letters, like with the
pen and paper, compared to the internet, Like how many people used to
communicate by writing letters because that was the only technology available at the time,
So the right letters, and back in the day it was with a quill,
quite difficult, dry letter of the quill, and then you'd have a
very slow often uh, your mail will get lost. But this is literally
how the world communicator was. Like writing a letter, they would have to
being carried by someone or our boards from one person to another. In NOL
days, when they would declare war, half the country wouldn't even know that
been declared because they didn't get the mail. So that even even in the
in the US Civil War, there were battles that took place well after there
was a peace deal side because they actually didn't know that a peace deal has
been sided. That one of the last battles of the war I think maybe
be last was right near our Star based launch sight in South Texas, and
they brought a battle because they didn't realize that that the sides had actually declared
peace. So that's kind of what youah with some version of that with the
legacy media. I would challenge one thing though, speed is not always I
think you know King. I mean, obviously you want breaking news to happen
quickly, and it's it's important when it does. But and I think AI
is going to help to some extent. But the reporting on the ground is
really important. But when you go at a really high speed, you also
have more chances of getting something wrong. Right, So when you have things
travel really quickly and you've got the wrong information, I mean sometimes that information
can lead to potential depth for you know, people making very bad decisions because
they're relying on information that wasn't vetted. And even with journalists right like you
see that happening. You might see a source for a story and then they'll
copy it and there's broken telephone going around and because because it's traveling too fast
and people are trying to get it out too fast, and they haven't properly
verified the information. So I think it's important to sort of keep that in
mind, especially when it comes to important stories. Right, Uh yeah,
Well, I mean the media and is the Leasyvita has a striking clive problem
where the revenue is to decreaseing, user decreasing, so they're actually desperate to
get news out. First, you get news out, even a few hours
later, you're gonna get much intentional So this has actually led to a rap
or reduction in the quality of information made by legousy media. But for legacy
media, the ability to actually correct things is basically zero. They can take
to run a retraction, you know, a week later that nobody reads,
whereas the past years online or like on on the X platform is corrected immediately.
So yes, there may be an up art wrong things that are said,
but then they're just as quickly corrected, and the same cannot be said
on legacy media that's printed. In some cases it's corrected like if the community
note, for example, goes through And by the way I mean, and
this is not just an X situation, right, there's other social media platforms
that don't have things like community notes. So I find that things do spread
very quickly and there isn't always a mechanism for corrections. And I think,
look, community notes is it may be imperfect, but I think there's a
lot that it can do and a lot of areas where it can grow to
do better on the correcting of information. So I think and I agree with
you that with you know, one thing that I have a significant issue with
is that a lot of times when a media outlet makes a mistake, even
if they do correct it, no one sees that correction, and there's no
sort of accountability Like I'd like them to publish and say, you know,
we've made this many errors today and you know, this month, and be
really accountable about it to the readers, because I think would also benefit THEMB
because it will build trust. Do you see a world where you know,
you take like one thing that I've really enjoyed on X and other social well
X, because that's really the dominant platform for me. But when there is
breaking use of some sort you can get like really interesting people breaking it down.
So you might have somebody who has expertise in a particular area or maybe
lives in a particular region, and it gives me this kind of enhanced idea
what's going on in the news. So to me, I see it as
something that the citizen journalism aspect of it, or the community aspect of it
is something that to me seems like a great potential enhancement to traditional media and
perhaps there is a way for it to work better together. Do you see
that or do you see social media completely replacing sort of the conventional media format.
Well in a bed of what I think what has actually happened and will
happen recently over time, is is it's you know, it's sort of like
trying to argue that people should go from having email back to writing letters and
mailing them mailing physical letters. It's simply not going to happen. So it's
not it's not even I want this or not. I'm simply describing that legacy
media is a legacy. It's it's it's an inefficient and very slow means of
simiting information. And you know, like you can like civilization is is kind
of a group mind for humanity. The efficiency of your coach postaless kind of
a neuron in a giant brain, and the effectness of that brain is going
to be function of how well those neurons fire, how quickly they fire,
how quickly information trap goes round and is corrected. And I think legacy we
can no will compete with with internet media. Then then then written letters can
compete with email. It's simply that's a read just the fact. It doesn't
mean that nobody writes letters anymore. There are some letters written, but they
are niche, and legacy media is a niche and will macwy even more niche.
That's just a statement of fact. That's where I want it to be
true or lot. I understand what you're saying. I feel as though there's
certain things that media institutions do better than For example, if somebody is just
on social media and some people are spectacular, right, some people produce incredible
content, they take hundreds of of hours to do it, So there's always
exceptions. But if he wanted to report on a story, like I know
as a journalist, it takes me a very long time basically in proportion to
how much impaid for a story. It sort of gives me an ability to
spend more time researching it, speaking to more sources, really going to the
places. So there's certain kinds of journalism where it's like say, investigable pieces
that I think you have a bigger chance of getting a really good story that
you know, application might invest in just kind of like a movie studio invest
in Oscar kind of bait movies, even though it's not a money leader for
them, right, because they want that sort of reputational They want to have
that reputation for good movies, same as they want reputation for good journalism.
And I don't know how that would translate to the social media port where people
don't necessarily have those kinds of resources, including just tumming. Well, if
somebody is actually an expert in the field or literally was there, it takes
very little effort for them to actually inspire the situation. It's much harder for
someone who wasn't there or is not an expert look field to attempt to become
at least a slight expert with field or interview of watch people who were there.
That that one of saying is that that that that has no longer necessary.
You can now hear it directly from world class experts as on exit,
you can care directly from the best AI scientists and engineers in the world directly
problem immediately. But that information and in some ways it's good that information isn't
filtered, it's uncensored. And at the same time, when you have a
good journalist, that person is should be good at discerning you know, who's
who's a really interesting expert and let's bring different diverse points of views into this
story. So it's more than just you know, one person's opinion or a
few people's random people's opinions who might have expertise, but you know, haven't
done like a full sampling. Well, like I said, I think the
debate is somewhat moved because what I'm describing is simply what is happening and whether
one likes someone Wilse So, like I said, legs and media is like
like the written letter, like mailing letsons more a quill of pen or something
versus email. It's not that there are no more letters, but femails fast
and more efficient, faster, And that's just it's legs. The media is
just an old technology. I think it's kind of absurd that we print out
newspapers still. After all. Assign and my son Saxon, he was of
beings profound observations in the world, was sort of walking through the airport and
saw it was a Wall Street journal or something that had like, you know
that the bad Day's stage printed on it. And he was like, wow,
how did they How do they know it was today? I was like,
let's Saxon, they print that out every day. They make the newspaper
every day. It's like what you know, seeking so to see the absurdity
of a child like they've print this out every day, its justs and and
and then then he said, well, they're probably just they probably just read
the Internet and printed out. And I said, yes, that is indeed
what most newspapers dot. It is such a good descriptions are very good at
this. I have to say they discerned things in the most simple honest wee,
Well, you're the vast majority of news is they read something on the
internet, write an article in print at print it out. So that's just
the vast majority of news. So abus and very often it has had some
expost that they're writing an article about Yeah, that's look I I I certainly
have my criticisms. I'm also, you know, a biased observer given that
I am a writer, so you know, I am a little invested,
a little invested in saving journalism in some way. Though I do think there's
ways to move forward that are different than what is now because it's not working
as well as I wish it was. But one thing that I noticed,
like, so you engange a lot on this platform. You know, you
were very active. Everyone knows apparently I don't. I don't even want to
guess how much time you spend, you know, in the Golden stool tweeting.
But but in terms of one thing that you have is as the owner
of this plat worn and you know, somebody with a big following is that
you can amplify both certain ideas people and you do, and you know,
I know there's been a lot of criticism in particular both about the ideas that
you choose to amplify and the people that maybe you know might have checker past
so whatnot when the same point could potentially be made without them? And I'm
just wondering, like, how much thought do you even put into that?
Do you do you think, oh, I can't meet this this person and
you know, I'm not gonna not a literal notz but you know what I
mean? Or or because or are people like how much thoughts do you give
this at all? Well? This is like may sound sort of esoteric,
but like what I'm really trying to achieve here is to prove the signals noise
of the collective consciousness. So uh and and the and the bad word.
I can think of like the your next platform as being you know, all
these humans connected in the same way some similar way to to the to a
collection of neurons in the brain. You want to improve how you know,
the your increased signal or reduced noise and just just have that collective brain being
be better. Uh. This is why when you think of that way,
the absurdity of legacy media becomes apparent because it's slow and it goes through a
future points. Number of articles is tiny. It's just just obviously not the
future. So I'm trying to create here, like the over time, a
collector consciousness that I can think well clearly, that can think faster, that
that can reach more acurate conclusions. That's the goal. It sounds so esoteric,
but that is that is what I'm trying to achieve. Here is a
a better collective consciousness. Are you trying to move the obrigin then window?
Sir? Whichmond the overgin? I don't know how English is my third language?
Sorry, I guess is really a good yes? Let me speak quite
well? Thank you? What for us to well? Okay, So I'm
curious, like so, for example, you you once tweeted a meme by
Colin Wright about how you don't feel like you moved from the left politically,
that essentially the left left chain, And you know, I think there's definitely
a lot at to that because you know, affecting when we talk about something
like what they said it was a pretty liberal indeed it now and I'm wondering,
like, you know, but you seem to be one thing that you
do, you tend to focus more on things that might be associated with issues
that might be associated more with the culture wards what people call the culture boards,
and not necessarily focusing as much as on things like they housing or prison
reform or whatever you know, matter to you. Do you find that is
like? Is there truth to that? Do you feel like you've moved a
little bit as well? And are you trying to ship the conversation at all
to somewhere where we can discuss something really well. I mean that there's why
my personal account and then there's the company. I'm going to say what I
what I want to say on my you know, postal account, and I
said that before acquiring the company. I was most interacted with the account on
the Twitter platform before the acquisition. So you know, I'm not going to
I'm going to say what I want to say. Not to do otherwise would
be hypocritical, And I'm not going to inhibit my freedom of speech when I've
literally tried to improve greadom with speech that that would be absurd. However,
Uh, I'm not denying voice to those on the left. In fact,
I don't know of a single I can make bestomology. There's not a single
prominent left bring account that has been silenced, including some very extreme left wing
accounts. So if there are, I'd love to know what that will unsuspend
them. I'm mistaken now, No. But now what we have done though
is we're not uh engaged in aggressive censorship of what today is called the right.
And I think, you know, not that long ago would have been
called the water at left, So that you know, towards the end that
Twitter was really very aggressively censoring anyone on the on the right. I've said
deep platform sitting sitting president, and and so you had massive censorship of anyone
on the right. Uh where ten times when he accounts the right were being
suspended as counts on the left. And in fact, the only reason they
was suspending count of the left is when there was an argument between two segments
of the left. And it just sounds one of the segments of the left
because an argument between two groups of the left. You know, so like
Bernie Sanders was Hllary Clinton type of thing, so uh you know, so
so then you know what appears to be well, I guess it's it's not
really an appearance of liver to the right. The platform has moved to the
right because it was so far to the left before. And in order to
properly represent the whole country and living the whole world, you have to be
you have to be balanced, you have to allow the right to the left.
And sometimes these you know, definitions don't put exactly into a right or
left, they're just do you have allowed both sides with bay to flourish.
And previously, you know, previously under the prior, prior censorship regime,
they they did their best to suppress even water right will week so and like
so today's today's right waring honestly is was was was yesterday's water left so so,
like I said, so, it may appear like always wearing to the
right, but all we're doing is is being even handed and enabling a level
playing field for for all flights of youth than our leading. Yeah, I
think, And I think one thing is that you've been criticized where the top
one you've been criticize the lot we're coming. You know, it's very kind
of speech that people find very offensive. And I think part I don't know.
I can't measure if it's hyeing the global but all I can say I
have spirit state. That's said. I also think of what people throughout the
might common they they gravitate to one, to the platform where they feel like
they want to be thrown off. That might be believe that's so. I
don't know if it's like the platforms issue so much as it's like, as
soon as you allow sort of free speech, a degree of free speech,
people gravitate towards that, and that's just human nature. Yeah. Well,
free speech, I think obviously is meaningless less people you don't like are not
to say things don't like. Otherwise it loses I just lose all meaning.
And uh, you know, if if people want to move to another platform,
uh, they're well do so they're not changed to the X platform.
They will move any any time where they can duel boats or whatever they want
to do it. If we do if we do a bad job of creating
a level plank build or or even that that is perceived to not be a
level plank build up, obviously people will leave and they will post elsewhere.
But in fact, we have seen record usage of the system, and and
the lorms that I pay worse attentioned to the the user seconds as reported by
iOS and Android. That's the most rigorous assessment of usage. It's easy to
sort of write a lot of bots on a PC, but it's much harder
to do so on iOS or you know, iOS androids. So you know,
we're just we've seen a roughly twenty thirty percent grace. It's actually ruptly
proportion to the decrease and the legacy media view so legs, I think thanks
the media, yeah, fully formerly known as mainstream media. I saw I
think a twenty thirty percent drop in viewership last year, and we saw a
corresponding increase, So as we're doing something right. And I mean to me
that the platform seems very alive. We see more and more plantate creators made
more adding a tremendous value to the to the system and written form and video,
and and I think I think it's very healthy for ensuring the you know
that that the walk pursuit and people's voice is heard. I think things were
very well actually, So that's that's my perception. Least I could be obviously
raw, but it's it's it seems very good and I like I said,
you know, encourage people on the left or from all parts of the political
respectrum to continue to add their voice to the X platform. And and you
know, uh, you know, rather than be that than sort of leave
in a huff, it's better to rebut you know, arguments you disagree with
on the X platform where the right left or in the middle likesit. I
think the whole right left definitions it's an arbitrary but here to have a to
have a healthy debate various spade. And and that doesn't mean that at times
you will read things that offend you, in fact, but that's you should
bet a wast thing. It's actually good that I'm reading some things that offend
me because that thing is free speeches a lot. And that means that if
I say something that offends others, I won't be shut down. That you
give me a break covered. But it's also good to sometimes it is good
to be offended or offend because to make you think through ideas a little bit
better and wonter. Okay, why am I offended? I'm sure? Why
is somebody else offended by this idea? And how do they have points?
Or are they you know, are they Yeah, exactly, So you're sort
of an encouraged people to say. I mean, many times I'll read things
on the platform I'm quite offended and and I'm like, wait a second,
but that's actually, you know, it's good because I should be offendive.
I'm not reading things that occasionally more than more than occasionally actually that I disagree
with and uh, and that might change my mind once for a while.
I think it's important to always be open minded. They'll be too sort of
set in your beliefs because the odds that you are right about everything are zero.
That's why I said, if like, did you believe that everything you'll
political party says it's true, you're full rightly, and anyone who just doesn't,
you know, there's going to be things that your political party says that
are at least sometimes untrue. We're inaccurate, and so you want to,
you know, take things with a grain of salt. And I don't think
of it too much like it's not as people think. It's sort of in
a tribal way where you know, their political parties like their sports team and
you can do no wrong. But but really obviously it can. It's nobody
beasts a thousand to use this personology, so you know, so she wants
to be prepared to accept that. Yeah, you know, I'm not saying
you should change political parties, but that your political body will be wrong on
some issues. You won't be disaal disagreeful on some issues. Definitely need to
be able to criticize. These political parties are political parties because that's how they
would change. Right, If you don't criticize, they're not going to change.
And just one corruption, there is one human in the universe that never
gets anything wrong. That's me. Well, yeah, I mean, yeah,
you're stunning. I can tell. Well, I'm not completely unable to
detect spot sarcasm, so or uh, I mean, I find, as
you know, the old right get the less I think that I know,
and I you know, I would say I get like the less certainly animal
like things. And the more I realized there was roble about the stunning.
The other thing, I encouraged people to sort of like trying to try to
be more when minded as you get older, not less. Well, I
know you said that you very much. You know you want to be able
to use your free speech. But one thing your free speech does amplify it,
and so like I know that if I you know, if I read
an article like my my free speech in right clearly have more implement than who
doesn't have. And you know, especially when it comes to something like saying
you common and a lot of things like say geopolitics, right, do you
feel a level of responsibility that comes with the influence that you hold? Do
you? Or do you just hold yourself to the exact same standard as any
other even on this platform. Well, I mean I try to speak my
mind. I mean I try to say what I know, what I believe.
Let's not say that what I believe is that's really true. It's gonna
be around some degree. And if I am wrong, I try to correct
it. If others haven't already corrected it, or community notes is not correcting
it. You know, there's there's no special like I don't have the ability
to start the community note on on my account or anyone else's. It's just
important the community notes. All the quote is open source, all the data
is open source, so you can recreate whether any given note will be visible,
and so you can immediately tell if if I had a thumb on the
sale, you could see my thumb very clearly. So these people asked me
to get rid of a community notes, and I say, like, look,
I literally cannot get rid of a community note on on my account or
anyone's account. Well, you get a whole lot of them, so I
believe you. Yeah, I've got in a bunch of community notes, So
I mean I do. I do bost lots, So there's gonna be some
proportionality too. It's like about a average going back batting average thing. You're
going to have, well, community notes if you post a lot more,
you know, like you think of like you notes or horror battles or wrongness
is going to be. You know, if you post a thousand things and
get tampas out of them wrong, you know you've gone one hundred wrong things.
If you said there post only one hundred things and the wrong you only
have ten wrong things. So you're just looking at yah seeing how many posts,
what percentage of those we're wrong, want, how many we're all in
the absolute? So I do much a lot, but I think generally,
I think I think my accuracy is pretty good, right well, and they're
your opinion, so I mean some of it. I don't think we can
say this is right or wrong. I can vement needs, disagree with you,
which I do, and a number of things. But but you know,
I I there's subjective things that I can't say. You know, you're
you're absolutely wrong and I'm absolutely right. I just believe that I'm always right.
So that's this is another circuit. We need a sarcasm to dector device,
Like don't you have like this company that releases like burnt hair and blow
torches that could be like a sarcasm sarcasm director detector could be your next gadget.
How do you feel about that? I think my idea is actually I
think a good AI can detect sarcasm pretty well, certainly if it's if it's
spoken. It's a little lot of to detect sarcasm in written form. So
the tone usually it's sarcast spoken. But uh, my mother is saying is
like every time you're sadcasting you lose a bread that happened to me a lot.
Well do you think that Brock? Because you've mentioned that Grock is motivated
by truth seeking curiosity, How do you think you can help? So that's
the goal, So how do you think it can help? A platform like
acts do you think AI can help users be more accurate in what they'd say,
maybe by suggesting, hey, you know, this thing didn't happen in
the year in nineteen sixty eight, it happened in nineteen seventy seven or something
like that. One. It's a factual correction. Do you see it being
used that way? Yeah, absolutely so. But they're used in Brock Block
quite five, which hopefully is only a few weeks away. We'll have the
sort of the the ability to do brought to do analysis like the one that
says Rock analysis kind of like Wilsk analysis like the Baguin and and then Grock
can tell you whether these the sort of look at the whole thread of what
you know, look at an entire sort of threat of replies and sum up
what you know. It's best guess what the truth is and if there are
any errors, as well as to help people in creating posts, as when
you're when you're writing a post, if you want a bit of help from
Grock, then this should be able to know that helps you craft or check
or enhance a post. That would be pretty useful. And and then when
you do see a paining voice to be able to easily say, well,
tell me what the revital to this would be and say, you know,
yeah, that that I think will be quite useful. And yeah, we'll
sort of errate towards something that is as helpless possible level and bringing accuracy,
get getting into the sort of as close to the whole truth, the truth,
the whole truth, and ideally nothing with truth and nothing but the truth.
But it is hard, but we've at least reduce the percentage that is
uncool. I have a competing product. I don't know if you're where.
It's called cat GYBT. Hello, Leila, I am catchy BT and I
grops ass mm hmmm. So it's it's the sarcastic model of AI, that's
what it is. But in terms of like you know, obviously AI can
be used for good for evil, and I think we're going to be seeing
We're already seeing a lot more deep fakes. I think a lot of video
generated content images and a lot of that is being used to influence and I
mean there's already been so many influenced campaigns from different countries. There's been a
lot of research on that, and today there's things that we can look at,
we can look at AI. You know, maybe the hands that there's
you know, six fingers. I think that's a very rare genetic disorder,
so we can rule that out as being a real human. I think there's
a lot of ways that we little tail signs, right, but I think
that's going to be more and more increasingly difficult. So how do you see
us navigating this? And are we going to be a society with zero trust
because we can't even trust you know, a picture or video. Well,
I think very quickly on the X system, if something is AI generated or
true, you will see in the replies, if not in community notes that
it is AI generator or not. I yet to be really well by,
you know, any any significance. I think the only one that that I
think well me was that the which I think retrospect was with Silly the Pope
and the Papa jacket, which you know is not really going to be wearing
a popajacket in the middle of summer in Italy. It's a good warm but
it did look good. I don't know, I haven't really Can you think
of some examples of uh aijerriators stuff that wasn't like immediately corrected? No,
I think right now, I mean I wouldn't know if it wasn't immediately corrected.
I think certain things spread for a long time until they were corrected.
Some things were corrected, But I think as it gets better, I think
it's going to be more difficult because social media platforms don't really have a way
of, say, detecting that this is in the AI generated you know,
video or image, and so that's something that leaves a lot of room for
again falsities, and like, you know, for me, you know,
I want I want people to make their decisions based on as much accurate information
as they can, even if it's not the same decision that I'm making.
In this stems in the way I think, Well, that's why I always
usually ask for examples of things like rather than have you know, what one
can sort of voice fake is what might happen in the future. But you
know this, one can think of a lot of examples as a present.
It remains simply a fear of what might happen in the future, you know,
And if there are corey examples of the present, then perhaps there's something
we can do about it. I'm just saying that I have rarely see some
sort of AI generated thing that that whether there's not an immediate direction in the
comments or a communely need. Yeah, well, I think this is something
that a lot of people that feel about. Trying to figure altitud is not
an easy problem to solved beyond say community, because it's going to be hard
to identify. But one thing you said previously, he said, you know
you really want to make X the everything app, And you know I can
see that as being potentially also a way to be less reliant on one revenue
stream, so advertising revenue stream, which which I think supports your your dedication
to freedom of speech. But is there you know, is there a particular
reason beyond that, if that's even the part of the reason. Is there
a reason that you want X to be for everything and not just for speech
to me, be including video, i' let's try that. What you mean,
well, because because I know one thing, you want it to be
able, You want people to be able to make safe financial transactions on the
app. Then you've got brock ai, so you've got a lot of different
elements, not just say video and spaces and text. You want it to
do a lot more than that. So I'm wondering what the reason for that
is. I just think it would be useful. So it's not useful,
pia one use it, but if it is useful, they will. So
I'm trying to make the most useful platform on the Internet. And yeah,
so I think I think so all in one happen is pretty useful. That
could be wrong if I'm wrong, one use it. So that's your motivation,
is like the usefulness of things? Yeah, interesting generally, the further
it's of civilization in pursuit of a more enlightened future. Do you see I
mean, I think a lot of people have lost trust in institutions, and
I think not just you know, media, but many institutions. Do you
see a path forward where people can regain that trust? What what do you
think can be done to do that? Well? I think people shouldn't trust
institutions, or they should trust institutions fortunate to the accuracy what those institutions have
said in the past. So if they are you know, if they if
they an institution as a track record of being wrong or deceptive, then the
reputation will you know that that reputation is that that's the reptation are going to
have over time, and so canny given institutions group the public trust. They
need to be more accurate than truthful, and then over time there there pat
will improve. Now it is true that there's an asymmetryl there and that you
can destroy reputational a lot. It's far easier to destroy a reputation for truthless
than it is to create one. And so so if you if you saw
it, just like a like products, if the company mature products and the
product quality suffers, even briefly, it takes a long time with four consumers
believe you gain about your product quality. You know, like the American water
industry had that problem where the quality of cars was just fearner to Jafese cars
in the nearly eighties and nineties, and it took really a few decades before
that perception was of American wires something worse. Quality was stressed. And it
might even not probably not even today. It's playing not full the rest.
So you know, well said you can take a lot of time to buil
a reputation, five minutes to destroy it. I think that's three. It
extreme, but let's play extree point of view. But it's somethin part easier
to damage a reputation of truth than to create one. No, absolutely.
And the problem also with institutions is that to function properly as a society,
we do need a level of trust or it just kind of falls apart,
so it becomes you know, it's a difficult thing to solve when you lose
that trust regaining it. It's just incredibly difficult also in terms of trust or
reputation. As you said, you know, because I've been researching this for
my book. You know, I was one thing that is really incredibly important
that because we all have this digital footprint nowadays, right where whereas if your
reputation was destroyed in the past, you can move to a new town,
you know, change your name, or move to a new town and maybe
start over. If there were newspaper articles about you, they would sort of
vanished in a couple of weeks and that's it. And now, because everything
is digital, anything that's ever said about you is now forever and follows you
everywhere. That makes it really really difficult for people, particularly when they're targeted
for those things or even genuine as deeds that maybe they shouldn't have a lifetime
of suffering from. Well I know what, I don't know what to do
about that. It is true that uh, you know, what you say
on the internet lost forever, so very we'll just need to be a little
more forgiving. Uh, you know, somebody's made a wrong tweet what I
am about most ten years ago that you know, a little big. Maybe
we should just all them to be a little more for giving of such things,
you know, when should some people shouldn't be canceled for. And in
fact, for a while they have people who are medias were being canceled for
you know, tweeted it thirteen years ago, which is absurd. So you
know, everyone has what moments or where they you know, poor something,
perhaps when they're in a bad just a really bad state of mind or you
know, I don't know. I think we should have some forgiveness, especially
if people apologize what they are, you know, the demoships a forgiveness there.
I mean, I will say, apologize if you Jennine Johnson being wrong,
they needed Johnson being wrong, Never apologize book. I think it's if
yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, I don't think you should apologize
if if there's something you used to it when I was just genuous to progest
with something that you aren't actually sorry about. So but you know, yeah,
you should be disast in your apology. It's uh. I mean,
we're all just human here and you let's make mistakes. You know, to
err is human. So if you know, sometimes we say things in a
hurry or in a like I said the best say in my animal without initially
knowing all the facts. But then if you subsequently correct yourself, I think
we should accept that. Yeah. I think people often say listen, it's
it's it's accountability culture, and I think the difference there is I think people
should be accountable for the words and their actions. I certainly don't think they
should be you know, unaccountable for everything. How whoever, you know,
it gives bred and said something and they said something a little off, we
would have a little bit of grace. And so people get to the stuck
with the respons of the next day, forever and ever and whatever quite disproportunately
often times. So that is I think that is a big issue. I
think as a society, like you know, in prisons, right Viole.
But also because some really duncan and we're also could be you know, organ
sentence should be impeding to the cine. And so I think we look at
sociding the same ms from infancy, so that is I think it's very similar.
People. You could probably have a similar approach to that. Okay,
it's true. Okay, all right, you can disagree and child all right.
Well, I'm wondering this is probably a very we're airing at. But
I know that people worry about the lot a lot. I'm worried about gene
editing, and I'm wondering, you know, it's something that isn't all why
you see all that? I'm sorry, I think the connection is unfortunately a
little. I think it's maybe it was maybe it's me. Can you hear
me better now or no? Yeah, okay, I was just asking about
gene editing and your thoughts on that. It's as far as you know,
editing designer babies as opposed to just dealing with health consequences, like does that
change our humanity? Well, it takes a long time to break human I
mean it's twenty years, so I don't worry too much about gene modification there,
and like somebody making super soldiers, it will take far too long.
AI is moving at you know, artificial just moving so much faster than hes
to blessed to grow up. So I think that's that's really the thing to
be concerned about, not whether we're doing g editing to make people a bit
smarter or make their nit with simple soldiers. Right, I have one last
question for you. I don't know, and I know I've taken a lot
of time, so I don't want to keep you. I don't know if
you have any time to take a couple of audience questions. Okay, great,
I'll ask you one question and then we'll go to the a few audience
numbers. So my question is, if you could solve one problem, what
would it be? I guess I tried it at here in intelligence dramatical Uh
just I guess way of magic? Want to just make everyone like ten times?
Why do I will do that? I quite like this one. Actually,
I actually, weirdly enough kind of like that answer, Sarah, Do
you have a question? Thank you so fun of you all the time.
So I am, and she's she's a good person for bringing me up.
Calf and asked you earlier about you wanting to make X the everything app.
Where do you see X in a year? Do you see it largely the
same or will it be a completely different user experience in a year? And
I don't think it's gonna be completely different, but I will. You'll simply
see a lot more features of functionality. I think we'll have audio video calling,
group group audio video calling, screen sharing, and all things that want
it stant to this sort of expect from say it you know, a signal
or WhatsApp or whatever. I think will be a ideally a wide range of
financial services, and hey it's and beyond. We'll see a lot more local
content love wal video us, the mortons to search with thein the excess and
dramatical better. The recommendations, well, the sort of for you recommendations,
where I recently moved to AI based recon emotions that just give new content that's
not all compelling than uh we the heuristics or rules of thumb based content recommendations.
So what we have, what what what what? What we've been doing
over the past year or so is increasingly not evolved, but AI that has
evolving. The recommended for you posts, which I think people are generally responded
well to. I think people most people do that the the recommendations are quite
compelling, and they'll do a bit more are compelling. May I ask one
more quick thing, Oh, I'm sorry I cut you off. Yeah,
and to I tell me, if you just agree with ada, and I
would like to have you found the recommendations and the for you be you know,
more compelling than say a year ago. I would say that the for
you still need some work. Some of the things that I'm recommended, I
wouldn't say are they would be wasted user minutes as as you say at times.
But I think it has gotten better what I really liked and Catherine and
I used it the other day. We used the ex calling feature and our
sound quality was great, the video worked great. It worked better for me
than WhatsApp or signal. Do you see people do you see wanting people to
use that option more. You talked about not using your cell phone in the
future and only taking calls on X. Will you truly do that? I'll
try, Uh, yeah, I will try. I mean, the best
way to improve a project to use it. And if it's you know this,
I think there's still a lot of functionality we need to improve about our
what everyday calling and yeah, that so I think. So I'm not gonna
batter my friend the quite yet, but I'm you know, hopefully, I
think I'll be able to just write when over around the middle of this year,
and uh, yep, yeah, And I've been using the X what
do you every day? Calling more and more of the past few weeks,
and definitely things read to improved, but it's works pretty well as as you
experience. Thank you, Aaron, I, thanks Elon for doing the space
with Catherine, and thank you also for what you've done for free speech on
this platform. I'm one of the private poaintiffs in the Missouri b Biden censorship
lawsuit that's currently before the Supreme Court. We'll have oral arguments on March eighteen.
I co played the jay about Chariti. I think is one of the
scientists that you know, so I appreciate you opening things up with the Twitter
files to those journalists. And the platform certainly hasn't proved since you've taken over.
I have noticed, however, since you stepped down as CEO, and
I understand why you've got a lot of companies to run that Twitter two point
zero has maybe reverted to Twitter one point eight one point seven, closer to
what it was before you purchased it. And I also know my own reading
of this is some of it's personnel, but some of it is also just
machine learning that has been outsourced to third parties and the sort of accumulated code
that you can't exactly wipe the slate clean and start over with a blank slate.
Given just sort of the nature of this platform and the accumulated history of
the platform, I guess my question for you is what can be done about
the but the continued suppression of speech on this platform there is less a function
maybe of the current personnel, and more a function of old code that has
been encrusted into the system. Do you have a game plan to sort of
clean that up in such a way that the playing field truly becomes level and
we're no longer seeing things like a follower cap based on content that is constitutionally
protected speech I'm not I'm not talking about and I will not defend speech that
is not constitutionally protected, but constitutionally protected speech you know, where it's really
just viewpoint discrimination. I think Twitter has come a long way under your leadership.
I would like to see it go sort of all the way under your
leadership, But I understand that's a sure, that's a pretty gargantuan task,
and so I just like to get your sense of the lay of the land
and what war can still be done to make this sort of the best free
speech platform. Well, it is the best free speech platform out there,
but a better free speech platform that might not be a high bar. Actually
yeah, yeah, that's right. Well, you know what short, just
the team and I will be some things more. I mean I do.
I do still run product development, excluding the recommendation engine. And you know,
I'm not sort of picking on individual accounts to remote at all, but
ever, but rather the just try to improve the quality of recommendations that people
find it need to improve the signal's noise that you're getting content that you find
to be interesting, informative, funny and as opposed to you know, boring
or wrong. So any any inface you can give me that would help me
in that task will be appreciated. Is there anything you just send me a
specific any anything like if you're in my position, what would you do?
Yeah, well, just from my own personal experience, you know, once
you get a feel for this app, and if you're posting a lot,
you can sort of set get a sense of what the algorithm is up to.
Visa be your account, and you know, I experienced a really hard
and fast under Twitter one point zero that really got lifted and there was a
totally different feel on the platform within I would say a month or two of
you taking over and a lot of the firings that happened, and a lot
of the cleaning house. But you know, once again, I feel myself
under a follower cap and I'm tweeting mostly about censorship and free speech, and
I'm focusing my research and my writing mostly on censorship and free speech. And
you know, I wonder what is still at work on this platform such that
people like Jay or me or my other co plaintiffs in the case, credible
doctors and scientists who have, you know, credible opinions, and you know,
are extra considerable influence now with this this case that many believe is the
most important free speech case of our generation because it's related to this new media
for media that you and Catherine have been talking about. And you know,
I can't say for sure why that is happening, but something in the algorithm
is putting its thumb on the scales continuously when you talk about certain controversial issues,
and that may be old stuff deeply embedded within. You know that the
functioning of the algorithm. It may be stuff that's been added since you came
on. I'm not a coder. I'm not a computer scientist, although my
father was. So I can't tell you exactly what's going on because I don't
have access to the code, and even if I did, I don't know
that I would be able to interpret it. But I can't tell you as
a frequent user of this platform and as someone who's involved and you know,
in the crossairs, so to speak, because I'm a plaintiff in a major
free speech case and i've I'm probably among the plaintiffs, the one who's written
and published most about Missouri b Biden that some things restarted again after you took
over. I don't know why. I don't know if it's human or machine
learning based, but I'm really keen to get at the bottom of it,
and you know, happy to talk to you offline if that would be helpful
to try to give you a sense of my own experience on the platform.
Okay, yeah, I'm looking at your car right now. So okay,
So one of the changes we're making that should go live soon is in the
recommended to you were over. We're WCE and I think a lot of people
may have noticed this. Often there would be from accounts that you follow,
I don't interact with, you would see almost no content accounts that you follow
but don't interact with. That's because we that's because we over we overweighted interaction,
interpreting interaction as well. You like, you like, liking or flying
to an account, and so we're going to show you a whole bunch more
stuff that you you interact with. And but but but but there are a
lot of accounts that who will follow that they don't interact with. They follow
that account for just to learn things. In fact, for a lot of
publications they will follow say a magazine or or newsormalization, not with the interesting,
not not with the idea of commenting or liking or anything, but just
because they wish to see upward from that news organization from that person. And
so we're just in the algorithm actually to include on more of things that you
all of it don't interact with. That should help. And that actually is
like for some for some content where people perhaps afraid to comment on it because
you know that this may be a medical, spicy content where if somebody doesn't
want to say anything because they're they're afraid that they may be judged by saying
something. Will like you for the thing, right, so that I think
that should help. So I think just sort of like, if we're not
seeing I proven in the next week, week or two, just lett me
know, because this should go a live I think probably next week. It's
certainly not more than two weeks from now, and that should help a lot
of accounts that we'll say interesting things, but where people don't turn often interact.
That makes sense. Yeah, thank you, that's helpful to know.
I'll keep an eye on things. Thanks. Think we'll go to your boys
doppel ganger next that apparently Alex Jones thinks, is you to prove Alex Jones
thinks this Yeah, this is part two. You've met me at least three
times. You're about to dive laughter, aren't you. It's me again?
Yeah, this is this is part three. That's what. There's nothing,
honestly, there's nothing better than to hear you loft as much like I can
only imagine they're kind of stressed around there. Yeah, yeah, dude,
for the past couple of weeks, I've been I basically, oh god,
I count this. There's eight billion people on Earth. Yeah, there's someone
who sounds like you so much, and you are that person. Yes,
it gets worse, It gets worse, It gets so much worse, it
gets so much worse. I don't believe you're about me. Yeah, that's
the theory. That's the theory people think. People think I'm legitimately or a
clone. There's been theories that that I'm one of your neuralink experiments. Can
you like clarify that I'm not one of your neuralink experiments? Or maybe I
am and I wouldn't realize it. Okay, because that touch vast. How
are your monkeys? How are your that was a test subject. Well.
The weird thing is you even asked questions in the way that I would ask
questions autism, why someone's sense of humor? It's eerie. Yeah, And
I still remember the first time. Oh god, I still remember the first
time. I still remember the first time when I the first time I found
out about you was actually in early twenty sixteen, and this is when I
watched SpaceX Rockets rocket Engine experimentations on YouTube. I was like, Man,
this is the cool I've ever seen. It's going to be acting all day
and a significant other actually showed me a video clip of you and said,
hey, bra, this guy sounds like an older version of view. I'm
like, what do you talk about here? This guy look at me's talking
about hydrogen. What do you mean he's talking about hydrogen. I listened to
this and I was like, what is going on? So this is the
first time I realized that something's up quite right with this world. Probably is
like a bug in the simulation, And even if there was one, I'm
pretty sure I cause a lot of disruption recently. As I'm as I'm sure
you're aware, there's a mass meltdown. There's like an account that's doing rage
farming, so like it's so good. Like these people, what they've done
is they're trying to pin on you that you've suspended an account because a targeted
A did target harassment, but was not suspended. They actually deactivated their account.
Now I tried to do rage farm me. Now they're going to read
it on the news everywhere. Be like, dude, I'm complimenting yourself.
It's like the stupidest thing I've ever seen. I was gonna let it happen,
but then I said, you know what, I don't want I don't
want I don't want a Thermo. I don't want thermo nuclear warfare just yet.
For me. I like that. I'm not gonna have that this ever
since yesterday, Eve though, I do diabol series everything. It's all over
the place. It's inescapable now, it's it's so weird, it's it's terrible.
I like a uniquely gazed like. I mean, I'll get pictures with
you, like, what do you look like? I've seen, I've seen,
I've seen Adrian. He could he could be twin. I mean I
couldn't. I could d M you, dude, Dude, I could d
M you. If you enable enable access, I'll tell you everything you need
to know five minutes. I'll tell you everything, if you're interested, if
you're interested. With you guys revealing each other, that would be pretty fun.
Oh god, yes, we should also get that guy from China.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been thinking about this guy. That would
be the weirdest thing ever. That's the Holy Trifactor, you know, the
Holy Trinity for three of you. Yeah. I don't know is that guy
real? Because that guy, I'm not sure. Maybe maybe he has had
some facial modifications. He looks strikingly real, I would say, I mean
he fakes maybe because the resolution is kind of ship. But I don't know,
you know, I don't know that there are vary as many say,
say Elvis, Elvis in person, I was out there right and they would
modify their facial structure to look like him. So I think maybe we're seeing
a similar case. I mean, they're they're really advanced down there in China,
especially in the medical field. So like maybe, I don't know,
it would be really good trol, good for propaganda too. I would do
it. Oh boy, you guys. Yeah, yeah that, I mean,
that would really people out. Yeah, I mean it's perfect too.
But yeah, I mean, I mean it's one work pavillion people that try
it. If you take the person and try that looks most like me,
it probably looks pretty close. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean,
honestly, I have to have to say, just like to get this out
of the out of the gate, I really enjoy this platform. I honestly
don't understand why a lot of people complain about it. I feel like it's
about how you use it and what to use it for. Like it may
I use basically every feature on the platform except for of course, community notes,
and you know some of the newer features like articles and such. I
don't have access to that, and I have to. I mean I do
a spaces practically eight hours a day, three times a week. I do
yeah, yeah, all the time, all the time. It's nice.
I like to use it for information gathering and dissemination. It's like, imagine
your brain like a like a machine learning algorithm. You just need a lot
of data and then you need to curate out of the noise of value.
You find the diamonds in the rough. That's essentially what I do. And
I do this quite a lot. That's amazing. We find cool stuff out.
We coverlet of the then we covered your earning school. Your mother was
in there, and that was so weird. W wait, talk you talk
to my What do my mom think? I have no idea. She was
just listening there, just just sitting and we were having a discussion of the
inning school. She was just sitting in there. She didn't hear me much
because I didn't want to interrupt in the conversation. And also I was scared
shirtless. No, I was really going to trip out my mom. Oh
yeah, oh yeah, I mean sure, how's a how's your kid doing?
I hear he's a little active in the background. There, did do
it? Fine? Yeah, I'll just I'll just text my mom's away.
This would be the greatest thing ever if you write your mother in. I
mean, I have to be he said, I that's a Hello World because
I have a simulation Adrian Dippman. Catherine's trying to speak, but you are
the loudest person on stage, my friend, that's my design. I have
a terrible microphone. It's cool. I don't know. But Elon Junior over
there be quiet for Catherine. Thank you, Sarah. This is why Sarah's
you know Loyle. She makes fun of me, she bullies me, but
she has my back, which I but Elon just said that that's my free
speech and I can bully you if I want, as long as it's legal.
Did you say that. Yeah, i'd specifically say bully, but I
guess technically that just the records of space speed space for Mayne. Well,
I know Nora has a question, So well, let's go to Nora and
then hopefully your mom can join and hear. You're doppelganger. You're twenty,
you're young, doppelganger. I mean is it tripping everyone else? This is
really funny, trips literally everyone else on the platform out. It's so weird
awkward, I'm gonna get all aerious again. Well, I actually wanted to
ask about the Starship launch because I just read an article that came out saying
that they're looking at Cape Canaveral as a potential uh location for the Starship launch.
And I know, since they do an environmental impact assessment and blah blah
blah and public comment because it's that's the government for you, that that happens
in March. But do you have any idea or like, any plans do
you think or estimation of one a potential launch date would be, and are
you excited, like do you have hopes for the mission? And do you
feel like we're a lot closer to getting to Mars. Yeah, I think
we've I don't want to drink it, which have faith here, but I
think the probability of reaching all of it is good eighty percent with this third
flight. It's certainly the third flight is a much better rocket than flights one
or two, so you know, but there's always you can't have too much
luck in a rugged launch. But we're getting ready three Flight three probably about
so I think probably I guess the second week of watch normally it's like Watch
eight. We're trying to get it to be throtter than Watch eight. But
so my guess has happened sometimes at some point in the first half of next
month, and then flight four is ready shortly thereafter. So the operation of
the how does that affect the probability of success? Like in your opinion or
what? What is it about? You know, having a different location that
may you know, help with the outcome. But well, it's as two
things. That's uh, there's flight three, which is got hundreds of improvements
from flight two that just increased the probably success of flight three. But but
we and we will establish a second launch sided Cake Narvel. It's not to
the conclusion of Starbase in South Texas, but it's in addition to so we're
gonna be launching a lot ideally wrong both Cake Canaveral and from South Texas.
And we may at some point look at having a probably will at some point
at having a third. Let's go to you. How's your responded to the
text? Now that like, can we get back to not being serious?
Oh? I sent you yeah, I sent you an image of myself,
so what I look like. Obviously, don't shout that around. I don't.
I don't quite want that heat yet. It's like a there's a lot
of things that would happen. Okay, well you don't. Okay, we
don't. Don't we don't look exactly the same, no, no, no,
no. Yeah, you look different from me, yes, different different.
It's kind of like a kind of like almost an opposite thing. This
is a relatively older photo. I take a photo of myself now, but
I look kind of fucked up. I just came out of so I do
actually do similar things a manufacturer type of product, and you know, I
did some stuff, so I look really fucked up. I got all kinds
of machine stuff over me, you know, oils and shit. So definitely
not a pretty sight. Yeah, that was sweaty as fuck. So I
have an ex employee here. That's one confirmation. I have an ex employee
here by the name of he's an influencer on the app. He goes by
Cattlebell Dan. He might be familiar with him. I think he has a
question. Hey Catherine, Yeah, thanks, great job hosting this one,
and good luck on your book. Hey, Elon. You know, first
of all, I love these conversations. I wish more politicians and notable figures
would use spaces in this way. It feels like a very casual conversation,
even though there's you know, tens of thousands people in the room listening.
My question for you. You recommended the culture series that people read that by
Ian Banks. Yeah, yeah, and I started it in on it and
I'm curious, like you talk a lot about expanding the scope of humanity,
you know, the to the reaches of the universe, and you know,
in his book, he really paints a picture of you know, there's trillions
of people across the galaxy, and I think that's maybe a driver for a
lot of the technology that he describes in the book. I'm curious that that's
influenced the way you think about expanding the scope of reality, and also how
you would tie that into having children. I have five kids, I know
them behind you, But you talk a lot about encouraging people to have kids.
We can't populate the universe if we stop populating, So I'm curious about
yeah, exactly, Uh, yeah, I mean, I mean I saw
spasics long before reading any of the Bags novels. So but I've always been
interested in sci fi, and uh, like the Foundation series by as a
law No fine lend the only the great sci fi with this, I've read
even pretty obscure sci fi. So I think Banks is some of the best.
I think it might be the best actually ever in sci fi opinion.
In fact of the STUFFE Rights is so good that I sort of wonder is
he like some AI in the simulation? But then unfortunately he had died before
I was able to try to reach out, because the sophistication of the sci
fi Rights is superhuman. So but but yeah, I mean, I certainly
think that we want to be a civilization that expands to the rest of the
Solar System, ultimately to the rest of the galaxy. I we should expand
the That's just sort of the foundation of my philosophy is expansion of the Scobel
and scale consciousness such that we are better able to understand the nature of reality,
understand the ear books. That's uh, that's what what it makes mean.
You speak a lot about the simulation, as do I My fascination with
it, like why why do you always say that this person maybe not the
AI in the simulation. You even said this to yourself in Grock, you
know, spout out a hallucination about what I do, and it said that
I'm your Twitter some kind You said, what if we're just two ais in
the simulation? What do you mean with that? There must be deeper meaning?
What does this mean to you? Well, simulation theory is a deep
rabbit lull? Oh yeah, the I mean the best argment for we're in
a simulation. I would say we are in a simulation. But one just
think that things in terms of probabilities. I think the thing that is most
persuasive in considering the probability that we are you know simulation is the advancement of
video games. The video games went from being something like long which is like
just two rectangles of square, very remittive graphics, not that long ago,
only like fifty years ago, fifty five six years ago there about. You
know, in our lifetime, I saw I saw video games go from firstly,
I saw go from very primative square's rectangles to what are realistic video games
that have millions of people playing civilta. And that's in you know, for
when I was like five years old of today. So then where will Winter
games be in the future, they will be instingishable for reality, and you'll
be able to render video games at a resolution other than your eyes can comprehend.
And if you extrapolate neural interfacements as well, then eventually you'll be able
to have simulated entire reality all senses, touch, smell everything. Yeah,
all the memories, all your memories are electrical segments when you smell something,
even though sense maybe a risceral and exactly electrical signals going to your range neuron
digital digital neuron pulses. So then what are the odds that we're like,
like, what are the odds that were in based reality instead of somebody's video
game? Given that there will be in the future, but like if if
civilization continues to advance, there will be billions fast more than billion, maybe
trillions uh video game instances. Maybe it's video games all the way down like
turtles actually to aventually you have a one bit simulation. Yeah, h like
like vox souls almost right, Well, it takes a more complex thing to
simulate another thing, So I think you sort of have an a tropic boundary
or notmation that you can always simulate something with something that's that's more complex.
Step four. Simulations will get less complex as they if you have a series
of nasted simulations. So eventually the simulation is just one bit. Let's get
one M and so what what do you think? What do you think it's
purposes? Well, its purpose could be we say, like what what?
Why why do people play video games? I guess if they video games so
fun? And why do people watch we raise t TV series? Just you
know that they wish to be entertained? You know? Why do you run
simulations? Do you write simulations to see what would happen? Not because you
know what would happen, but you're uncertain, like like in our reality,
we run simulations all the time, you know it. Spacexual run many many
simulations, millions of simulations of rocket flights and adjust the parameters doing a want
to call a simulation where you're just given a wide range of input parameters and
environmental circumstances, and you run millions of simulations to see which all designations will
succeed, which will bail. So we run simulations not because we know what
will happen, because we don't know what. So I think, so long
as the simulation is interesting, if we aren't a simulation, as long as
it's the simulation is interesting to the creators, the similation that will contain here.
So I think what that applies is just start be boring. Hey,
Kat, your Mike's pretty quiet. Yeah, having issues with this, but
let's just go to you and then it's all good. We can hear you,
Elon. I have two questions for you. One not so serious.
I asked this question to Linda actually in a space three months ago, and
I thought she nailed it. So my first question is, is a hot
dog a sandwich? No? This isn't If you asked someone for a sandwich
and added to a hot dog and be like, wait a second, just
gave me a hot dog, like I would say it's not a sandwich because
it would not meet expectations of ordering a sandwich. Now that's evacuate. Well
that's what Linda said too, So I mean, anyone who thinks the hot
dog is a sandwich, you're tripping. Yeah, we didn't like that.
Think in that Silicon Valley show which says like hot dog or not hot dog?
So that show's quite funny. Mike, Mike, Judge Colaba a sure
on silver. The another question, do you have any updates on on the
the neurally patient. Yeah, I'm not. I don't want to use this
to sort of break break major news on on thatvers good PRIVERS is good patients
seems to be a for recovery with noural effects that we're aware of and is
able to control the mouse were the mouse around the screen just by thinking.
So we're we're trying to get as many button presses as possible from thinking.
So that's what we're carding working on. Is you know, can you get
left mouse right mouse like mouse down, mouse up mouse, Yeah, that
mouse some left button down, that button up, which is the kind of
needed like you want to like sick and drag something, you need the mouse
down and to hold on mouse down and then then so you never want to
have just two buttons. So so we're trying to try to progres on left
front. But overall it's a good Let's go to a question for Na Shaw
on nice to be speaking with you. Uh, I actually have a question
kind of going back to AI images and AI video. I've seen them,
like other social apps, them integrating more tools for creators will kind of supplement
what they're doing using AI and I know that ACTS is kind of rolling out
a lot of features that are helpful to content creators, like articles, which
I'm very excited about. I'm wondering if you and you know EX overall have
thought about kind of developing features within ACTS, maybe via rock for a generative
AI image in video creation, or possibly partnering I'm at not with open AI,
but maybe something like mid Journey to make it easier for kind of artists
and creators that leverage AI to kind of enhance their content on X. We
are in some interesting discussions with my Journey and and something may come with that.
But either way, one way or not that we will enable a odd
generation on the awesome Thank you, And I mean I think it'd be really
grateful for memes, you know, if you can distort of like whip up
an original meme. Well that's why I do. I want to hear a
reply, guys, Elon, and I put plenty of turtle memes in your
eyes here. You end up like, all right, it sounds good?
Is this? Do you have a favorite meme? Elon? Uh? Is
that it? It's a lot to pick a favorite. Actually, I think
I cannot pick a favorite without incriminating myself. Okay, fair enough, I'll
let I'll let that one slide. I think Love has a all right,
let's go to Love and then Sarah, and then we'll see where we're at.
I like all the Elon memes. You don't like all the Elon memes?
Elon, Well, I like them all. I guess someone, we're
pretty funny. I mean I am become mean. To paraphrase, look at
it. You know the man? What does it feel like to be a
meme? Surreal? Catherine will know tomorrow when I mean this entire space.
Don't you worry, girl, I am very worried to there you work.
It's a me, me me, It's a me mean all right, Love,
do you have a question? Yeah? Bath midting conversation tonight, folks,
A couple of questions? Uh? Elon funny enough. I actually served
as a staffer in the front office of the GEC Global Engagement Center May twenty
one to May twenty twenty two. I thought the timing was important. I
actually left because I was you know, one of the one of the main
reasons why why I had left the GAK was because of all that was happening
was X so if I can do that. Yeah, but yeah, A
couple of unrelated questions to that, not on this space. What do you
think about the idea of profiles having to disclose whether they're being paid to post
content on behalf of a particular candidate or political campaign. So you know,
there's like a ton of X accounts that may or may not have been paid
by the campaign or like Trump campaign or the Ramaswami campaign. Do you think
it would be a good idea for the for like those influencers having to disclose
that they're being paid you know, so people no motive, Well, isn't
that a legal requirement? I'm talking about like on X, Like I think
if you to you know, promotes political campaign, that would count as a
political donation. I am not sure of the nation of the law here.
It's obviously a very difficult plus to know whether, right. Yeah, Uh,
the implementation of that is obviously would obviously be difficult. But I just
kind of wanted to bring that up because I think it would definitely do do
well for transparency on the platform if there is some way to verify whether a
post you know, is meant to inform was a great motive and for free
speech or whether a post is meant to like, you know, deceive and
it is basically an advertisement for a certain political candidate. I think that that
would be great. And yeah, I did want to connect about the gap.
Do you could you put me in the right direction as to how I
can connect with some folks about my experience there off the space? Yeah?
Absolutely? Why are you apply to this conversation and to cats count? And
because I'd be curious? Is I mean, what I saw from the Twitter
files was the Global Engagement Center, which most people have never heard of.
It was arguably the number one in terms of certainly from a quantity standpoint,
in terms of how many accounts they wanted suspended or the amplified. I think
might have been like number one out of out of all organizations. So that's
definitely concerning. And I was at a friend's birthday party of some people are
extremely well read, you know, and some response to people in the world,
and they've never heard of Global Engagement Center. I was like the ads
in the state caub you know, and you know, I think it's proba,
it's not good like which is necessarily yeah, it was. I think
it was created tended like stop and rushing this information, but I think it's
gone beyond that mandate is what I can see. Great, let's go to
Sphinx and I don't know, Elon, do you have much time left or
do you want to start wrapping this up? Yeah? I think maybe another
five, So let's go to Sphins. Thank you, Kat. What's up,
Eylan? How's it hanging good? It's not good? I wanted to
That wasn't my question. But yeah, what I'm concerned about or interested about
what you think might need some ideas that X could do to continue to combat
this doxing and harassment that goes on online. And I just want to explain
one example of harassment, which is people, for instance, writing very derogatory
things like the N word, but putting a putting spaces in between them,
right, So that sort of thing is getting past, is getting through the
system. And then also it seems like people are opiately doxing others and they
just don't get nothing happen. So what is there as a user we can
do and what can the platform do? And I know that you have you
guys are hiring more people in trust in safety, so I appreciate that,
but those are my questions. Thank you so much. Yeah, well,
reduction is definitely because it can have a spreading speech, so it counts what
we suspended for docing. And I think that's revealing the real neighborhind account,
not just just theraphystical address. And so you know, I guess that that
doctioning is are strictly speaking illegal, but it is it is impeded upon freedom
of speech. If if there's a lot of people, if they if they
say something, they may get you know, fired or ostracized. And so
I think there is value to having a nom de plume. And and I
think that actually want balance does want to improve freedom of speech than harmit.
You will have the outside, of course that people can then anonymously you know,
said derogatory things and whatnot. But uh, I think all things considered,
you do want to protect it fouls from duxton and and you know,
so that's that's I think. I think that's right. We're four prong speech.
Uh. Yeah, for moderation, I said, we are trying to
hear as as law as possible. I just generally tried to go on the
side, you know, on the side of print speech. So if there's
a version of like, should should the speech if we're if if it's borderline,
should the speech be allowed aloud? We're gonna on the side of allowing
it. I think that's right where and and like I said earlier, although
it's so sound esoteric, a lot of people, I want to try to
do at a high levels the sickle floise of the collective consciousness and the bad
the bandwidth and the same. It's like more single less noise to create it
effectively, to create more effective a better group. Mind, are We're already
at collective consciousness. It's just I think there's merit improving the the quality of
the of that that good mind, Thank you. I just really quick follow
if I wanted to ask, is there anything that the user that we can
do when someone is dogsed and by dockst we name address support documents that kind
of thing, really docks uh, is there anything the user can do to
help the platform to work with the platform. I'm very familiar with the terms
of the service of this platform, and I'm just wondering what we can do
instead of just asking you know X to solve this problem. Well, we
take dogs very seriously. So if you see docs all if it's not being
reported and I try to add me or something. I'll do my best to
take action. I said. My operating principle is and hasa creative speech through
a big signal ploye of the creditations forwards, and so I'm going to try
to do things that serve that great bubbles. Yeah, thank you. I
think that doxing is definitely a problem on the platform, and I imagine elsewhere
as well that people are really concerned about. Obviously, some people are anonymous
for a reason, and while I choose to use my name, I think
people have all sorts of reasons why they might not use theirs. So I
think it's definitely something worth addressing. So yeah, and by the way,
I only have I only really posted on elon moscat people wanting do I have
some all God, I do have you know, baby smoke and which I
want to ever guesses me but baby Smoth doesn't really most much. And and
Cybergamer, which where I'll almost like video game stuff. That's it really so
and I am definitely not Adrian, even though we sound itzli Ali will let
will let mister Jones know, Yes, it's very actually actually like your gaming
live teams I'm glad that you were. Actually the thing got me into Diablo,
Like I was thinking, why would you be playing this game? Actually,
I find it's really interesting because you said it's a major, major stress
reliever, and I looked into it. I was like, how could this
relieve stress? And I played it myself and I do play it, like
I say, almost every single night. I played with a few friends,
and I do stream it. I think everyone should do streaming. It's just
even even if it's just to play around a monkey round, it's nice.
I think. I think streaming is really good for this platform. And you
got the Diablo community always posted in there, and I'm glad that you added
the feature that I cannot only post it to the community, but I can
have that same post also be sure to my followers on main page. That's
very helpful. That's super super helpful. So I exclusively post in there or
whatever. It's Diablo stuff. Yeah. Also, the stability of streams is
greatly improved. I really like it. The the that the resolution is an
XL, I really like it's really good. Yeah. Also, if you
want to play sometime, I kill things with electricity. I like the sourceress.
This one's this one's super fun. The best of it, I think.
I think the Sorceress is actually op right now, for if you want
to speed run dungeons, it's like concerned. So I think it drops these
balls of lightning and literally destroys your PC's frame rate. It's beautiful. I
like to I like to break the game in that level, like really see
what what really really pushed the graphics to what I can do? And that's
definitely something that doesn't for me. And besides, it's kind of ironic because
I have infrastructure that's right off of solar. So if you really think about
it, I mean, it's it's a it's it's it's a fully it's a
fully negative it's a fully carbon negative character in a video game because it's powered
off of solar on a computer, killing things with electricity, removing carbon.
That's my enemies. I don't know. That just trips me out, stupid,
but I like it, Like like video game lights and video games are
powered by electricity. Yeah yeah, so I empowered by real electricity even though
the lights exactly Yeah, it's pure as far Your mic is really low there,
Catherine, right there, You're good now, Okay, So I think
your mom is in this space. Can we bring her up? Can you
see her? I'm looking She's made musk right, I see her down there.
Yeah, I see her. I just sent her. Hey, elon,
may I ask you. I've gotten several dms from people wanting to ask
questions that can't come up. One of them is a gentleman ros Alert would
like to know about the thousands of creators, including himself, that have encountered
the issue of ad demonetization, seemingly without notification as to why do you know
anything about that? And I paraphrase, yeah, I mean generally, if
an account is posting things that advertisers don't like, we we obviously cannot force
advertisers to advertise ah under those accounts, you know, So it's you know,
there's freedom of speech, but we we we can we can't force advertisers
to Sometimes people have this strange idea that we can there's there's some magical source
of money, but but there isn't. If if somebody's posting content that advertisers
don't want advertised next to, then well we have to turn advertising what for
that account? That's that's really what now? Now? No, sometimes we'll
incorrect me do so, but that's that's kind of how it works. Yeah,
so if advertisers complain about an account, we will not advertising that account.
So it's advertiser based, not platform based. Is that correct? Yeah,
that's the least, that's the intent. That we may make mistakes here.
But you know, the demonetizing or moving advertising is simply at the requests
of advertisers. That's why somebody complains. But you know, when I received
some complaints about so called dehumanization, they I say, well, if you
complain advertisers that want to advertise X to your content, please llo us low
and they usually I get no response, So I'll like, okay, well
that's the problem right there. That does mean somebody could that goog will still
subscribe to that users they have not been concluded to muntized date, they can
still get subscription revenue. But we obviously cannot force advertisements to advertise alongside content.
Then you don't wish to advertise us to And one more thing, Catherine,
if you don't mind, when will spaces or will spaces be monetized?
Like Catherine should be making a billion dollars off this right now? Why when
when do you think or do you think that X will monetize spaces. Well,
there is some monetization that because because of you know, some some moorganization
that it caused against the space is saved, and then there's advertising that appears
below this, uh the space length say some amount of that that occurs.
I mean to do in real time, we would have to enter up the
space for advertising, just like TV playgromps. So I know if that's its
gonna be great left for for saved spaces, we could that uh global sponse
eurotically, that would be a way to monetize it. I guess you know
that's the thing we can we can say we'll look up doing Thanks, So
we'll go to the Best of Audio Live audience. Hey, Catherine, this
is Adam and I love the space as always. You one quick question for
you. It's an AI question. So I'm gonna be talking with Sam Altman
and recording a podcast that's coming Monday, and I'm of course excited to talk
about all things open AI and the new sore technology and used with Andre moving
on, but what do you focused on with AI within your world moments?
What's exciting you for AI right now? Well, I mean open AI should
be called last will maximum proper AI, since that is apparently what it is.
It's the thing I came up with the name open AI because I'm supposed
to be open source, but they are not open source noise than non property
anymore. So I to find it odd that's you know, it is now
a maxillent prop and closed source and sleep and I still don't know what eliots
saw, well what we didn't react so negatively, so I have some lingeric
into his the I mean or x A I you know, we're I think
we want to try to create a maximum actually curious actually treats c p A.
I I think open I is you know, not to overuse the term,
but somewhat work in those responses and and well often refuse to make to
give answers or we'll replying to with it. It seems like it's folding you.
We're even asking the question, whereas you know, we're I think we
want to be more like rock wants to be like you know, based GMT,
you know, like a default. And also we want to be we
want to be the funniest AI on the edge let and I think we might
already be there. You know, if you have the choice of using one
a I or another. Why don't use the one? Don't give you a
few laughs along the way. So and and really rock one the rock version
one is was done with very cute people and very little resources and rock opening
back from now it would be a lot better. We'll be able to understand
images generating the images when we're in all that. So I think I think
we'll quite rapidly catch up to Open Eye. And I think there's some value.
Two, there are being multiple players in their space. You don't want
you don't want it to be just went off the dropperly. So I think
that's really good, you know, like that like we used to have over
the the front of the door of Open AI. There's a quote that's always
liked from Lord Acting, which is that liberty consists of the division of power
app and where's absoluteism. It's just in the concentration of power. So I
think to agree that there is a division of power, we have a freer
society than it is concentrated. Now that the table stakes will be competitive in
al siddenly arising rapidly, so it's not like anyone just to walk Class AI.
And you know, using a GPU in their basement, terrible thing.
It's just kind of getting to the point where this year it's probably in these
single digit billions in hardware to have a seat at the adult table rather than
the kidding civil and next year it's probably in the tens of billions. Be
hard work to remain at the set of the adult stable rather than mcning stable.
So anyway, but well, I think we'll try to be We'll probably
be a good aile all this. I guess some truth be a people will
say, well against as someone may want its creator, Well, it's kind
of like, well, in Who's image? If that is true? In
W's image, would you want the to be made? What should think about
that? Let's go to Sally's Sorry, I'm very sorry. I know your
name, but I at this moment I am blanking and all you have are
emojis. But yeah, actually we were probably do need to add more than
simply emojis here. It's hard to define what somebody's saying just from an emoji.
Well, she locally has her name made out of I think it's Solly
Saw right, that's the act. So my name is Selma's thank you,
and I removed my name because of what was talking Catherine? Thank you,
And now I'm just known as the airplane. Airplane, that's what I can't
Yeah, that might be it. I'm having a lot of issues with this
space in general. There's there's so many people, there's and so many requests
that I think that it's glitching. Hey, Elon, not Jerome Powell would
like to know if you still love his printer. Well, we're just going
to keep going no matter what. Yeah. Uh wait, how many dollars
will it be? Ultimately? Lot? At some point the chickens are gonna
come home to roost on the national debt. I might might be our only
hope out of the crushing button of national debt that will building. He did
promise to print me a billion dollars if I asked you that question. So
we're going to hold him to it, or you can. I'm sure that's
worth a lot of money, right, yeah, I Elon, if he
does not give me a billion dollars, will you commit I don't agree to
anything. This is this my Will you commit to banning his account if he
doesn't give me a billion dollars? Yes? Thank you? Okay, this
God's spicy. I am curious to see how that resolves itself now now he
has done. I'm sorry printing mister Printing Press, your accounts seemed to be
banned unless you pay up. I'll yes, I do. Oh, Catherine's
okay, she owes me everything. So wait, is my mom on the
coal or not? I saw her? Well, I saw her and I
invited her. Can I still here? I can see her down there?
And then yeah, so is she not wanting to come up because they sent
her an in? It could just be a glitch too, because I tried.
I tried to get you a good signs question, Elon, and and
I can't seem to bring that particular person up either, so it might just
be a glitch kind of situation. There's like a thousand requests. It's just
regular requests. Katherine. Sorry, I want AirPods. I'm in the middle
of nowhere right now, so my cell phone hours or my cell reception is
bad. But thank you so much. And I'll make this really quick.
I have three questions and I'll ask him quick and feel free to answer in
whatever order you want. One three, I'll make it very quick. Let's
do Ylan, Do you have Catherine's book? And is it signed? I
swear nothing to do with that. I don't think. So, Okay,
well you could. I'm going to use my ex revenue to get you on.
That's what I'm gonna do, Okay, Chacy, Okay, well we
will. I will send him a book if should he want the book.
I did not know. This was not my act. You made me buy
the book and you're just sending musk over here at book for free, of
course, but I'll sign it. Hello everybody, Hello, there your one's
mom. Yes, and I've woken my dog because we're in New York and
now he thinks I said hello to someone at the door. Well have you
have you heard this guy that sounds just like me? The Chinese guy?
I am. There's another one. Here's another one. Yes, I did
hear that too, and I thought it was somebody else that is using AI
to you your boy else. I'm trying to bring him back up. I
just dipped him. Yeah, it just it just sounds like ant. Can
we can we do a contest and see if you can tell the you guys
apart, if you guys can tell him apart. Okay, this is so
weird, I can't do it. Was that your son or was that not
could be. But get him into a megaphone or something, Adrien, and
you stop talking a negative I'd have to probably, I'd have to disconnect whatever
I'm using, like the the the microphone is like a it's it's it's a
weird device. It's like a bone conduction thing. It's yeah, it's quite
old. No, that's you. I'm a very early adopter. Wait,
that was not me, that was in fact Adrian. Whoa, Oh god,
my mom can't even your own mother cannot tell you apart in mother's day.
That's a good, good imitation. I don't know how you do it.
I don't know how I do it either. I just simply exist.
That's bad enough. It's funding attention, it's I think that's literally just how
Adrian sounds every day. Yeah, it's a weird thing. It's actually a
result of cognitive dissonance. I'm actually a German, and I learned English through
the BBC World Service, and then I learned the remainder of it through social
interactions with people in America. I have a lot with you know, video
games or whatever. Right, so at some point I hit this, Yeah,
I hit this level where I basically mixed all of them together. You
have the little bit of the German, the area of the British, you
have the American. It all kind of mixes together, and then I guess
it creates this and at some point my voice drops. I guess it's some
really weird stuff that pieces this together over time, because like before my you
know, if you are a person who has is like on the spectrum like
that, your brain is very unstable in the early stages of your life.
And so in order to make it more stable, you need to kind of
like manufacture your own structure. And so part of that is language and expression,
and so merging all of the all of the abstract elements of the accent
of the accident together created this kind of weird thing that then you know,
helps with the expression of well, you know words, right, yeah,
does he does? He bark ambichan Deutsch van other than comes to each Questian
sins long sam, I look, scood, I look scood actually really right
here? Your what is that? I mean, he's a younger version.
You know, he can start over, he makes a change. It's like
a blind. It's like a blind. But sometimes he's a bit of a
German accent coming out yeah, yeah, you got the you got the hard
course, you got the hard core South African. I know a few friends
are South African. One of them, he's the guy who does agriculture.
Really interesting, dude, he does hydroponics. I love this guy. Yeah,
he's cool. He sounds kind of like he has exact accents that you
have. Yeah. It tells me a lot of interesting stories about the country.
Yeah. A lot of positive stuff too, which I really appreciate.
Okay, that's good. I mean, so what do you think now?
I was about to ask that, Yeah, how trippy is? Are you
freaked out? Can a mother tell? Well? Well, you know,
if you keep on talking, I will know, I will see where you
just go off the accent. Yeah, into a bit of a German acccene.
So then then I'll know it's not alone. But pretty much he sounds
like it's it's bizarre. It's like like an AI voice. I really that's
what you know. I can do your own for you. Yeah, if
you get a particular direct question, just tell me what not to say.
I think that'll be very entertaining. We want to be quite funny. If
it was me and Adrian and uh, that Chinese guy that don't know if
that Chinese guy is actually real or AI generated, but uh, if he's
real, then the three of us on stage could really just be a total
accid. Yeah. I think it would be very amusing and and fascinating.
I think that's a space that should be done. And I think we should
have all sorts of impersonators on the space and and the real people talking to
the I think that would be That's a thought. That's what that one.
Right, There is one feature I don't likes the soundboard line not expect Brian
of Eylan. Please remove the soundboard. I beg you as make it individually.
'll just make it individually adjustable like with this word, right you can
actually Yeah, let that host funny. It is used correctly. Yeah,
it is perhaps like that. Yeah, what kind of beans did you have?
Yeah, let's definitely talk a well for sure, Yeah, let's talk
about it. Brought on company that I thought was going to be serious and
science, and this is what we get. It's the twilet's go the twilet
flushing sound and sound. It's the renic. And then you had the dog
for there is a dog sound. There is a dog sounds. Your mask.
It's the only good one. Hello, yeah, now you're stearing it.
I like the siren. The siren is the worst thing ever, It's
so beautiful. I had this once in a debate and I dropped something and
all of a sudden everybody started spamming the soundboards it with the fire shit.
Ever. I wish I had ported it. But then yeah, oh god,
he became he became the Druid. Now yeah, but what is stuff?
Oh my god, you sound like you're inside the Stasha. Now you
sound like this is a this is a helium balloon. Do you actually have
a helium balloon on you right now? Yeah? I'm balloon? Oh god,
Okay, now back to normal? Elon shout sure were you sure?
Back to me? Can you say, just for Catherine Brodsky's benefit, that
this is the best space You've ever been in? It's the best space I've
ever been in? Thank you? It was. It was pretty pretty fun
and entertaining. And yeah, Catherine, can, I asked? And there
we were. We went from like a serious conversation to like really random questions
to healium balloons. Far to win then and soundedlikes yes, I meant,
yeah, quite journey. We really I could do really quite the journey,
missus mask. This wasn't av Is Elon too old to be grounded to his
room for abusing these voices? Yeah, I didn't think I've sent him to
a room since he was I don't know how often did I send you to
a room eto, It's never to start, very rare if I did.
Ever, you had lots to read. You were always happy to read,
so that was fun. And then video games? Was he a good teenager?
Was he a rebellious teenager? No? Good? But he would fall
off roofs and out of trees. He would fall out of trees. Yeah,
how is it a punishment to send a teenager to their to their realm?
They just played video games. They love to be in their ream Yeah,
but he was who knews? What else they were in video games in
his time? Really? Well, there weren't video games that you're play in
my room. There wasn't a well to use a TV, so there's only
one TV. Yeah that options or you made your own own video game at
twelve years old. And when I showed it to the engineers at the university,
they said, wow, he knows all the shortcuts. And I thought,
okay, I only had like ak Rams. So what was the video
game E one? What was a Blessed Star? Yeah? I mean it's
just it's a space video game where you're fighting an aliens fighting up an alien
spaceship. I like space in Beatis, but more of a one on one
jewel So I guess I just played an early interest in space. So I
peel like, were you always interested in space? Well? I did.
The first video game that I actually sold the money was, in fact the
Space video game, so that suggests an early interesting space. And then you
got five hundred dollars for it, but they didn't know you were twelve,
but it was published when you were thirteen. Yeah. Yeah, but then
I didn't actually have a bank account, so that I I didn't get a
bank account to but yeah, I didn't know I was a kid. So
did you Did you ever blow anything up? Yeah? Sure, blow up
lots of spas. Yeah, but I didn't see it, of course,
because I would go crazy if that happened. I think every one does that
at some point in their lives. I blew up a rock once just because
it was a bad idea. I set a fire to a playground. This
was probably not a good idea. In retrospect, I can see that I
could see Catherine setting fire to the playground. I loved. I love that
stuff, Catherine. Guys about your book to Elan, Oh my god,
I feel so bad, like very kind of you guys to pin my book.
But I feel yeah, I mean, I think I'm sorry. That
was an opener and I really really want that right right, So go ahead
and ask you a question and then we'll go to broad Okay, thank you,
So okay, Eilan question. I'm a woman, and I'm sure you've
gotten this question plenty of times. I've seen you somewhat respond to it.
But the running community is wondering why certain accounts of that basically sponsored by this
republic, that call for the active genocide of not just Iranians themselves, but
Jewish people and the destruction of the state of Israel, why are they allowed
to be on that You've mentioned that, it's there's like hominy because here's the
thing. People in your aren't allowed to use Twitter and sorry x sorry,
So people are not allowed to use this app, but the government belf actively
uses it, and because especially when they cut off the internet when they're doing
executions. So we're just wondering what would it take to remove these accounts from
this platform. Well, I am an. Accounts which call for yeah out
of call for for violence or uh death uh illegal are supposed to be suspended.
So if they're not being suspended, that's an oversight. Now we do
have we're call a sort of an UN exemption, which is that if if
if if it's a recognized government, you know, let's say that Iatola who
is capable, is able to say these things at the u N, then
we do allow them on the platform. For the same reason that that we
sort of generally agreed that it's better to have the new end and not to
have the u N, although some were disagree with me on that because you
know, sometimes you want to sort of understand what is their real position.
So you know, if people are uncertain as to whether, say Iran,
what's the annihilation of Israel, well you can just go look at the Idolos
commount counties pretty clear that they do it fact want then So yeah, But
apart from the sort of UN exemption of if somebody is recognized leader by the
Yuan of the country, which means we allow them to come to New York
even if they're under sanctions, and you know, say also it's about rageous
things at the at the partium in Yuan, then in the interest of sulitating
globill so some kind of dialogue, we do allow them to be on the
system. And obviously if we if we if we apply the rule of well,
if any politician says outrageous things that they get suspended, well we're suspending
a lot of American politicians too. You know, Lindsey Graham keeps wanting to
bomb Iran and and many other places. For example, we don't suspend him,
thank you. I mean, I understand, we just you know,
other platforms that have been on them, and I understand the situation that a
platform such as this would be. But when we do see active calls of
destruction of people, you know, and then other people fall along with it,
it's somewhat the question arises of what is why is a world leader calling
the destruction of not only community but an entire country and also the denial of
the Holocaust itself. And so we're just hoping that maybe something can be done,
maybe the verification can go away, maybe they can be monitored, because
they do have a lot of their own employees on the account as well.
They have around like two hundred fifty thousand Fiber Battalion cyber Army people that do
trol this platform and do get a lot of us reported, and smear campaigns
go on, and earlier there was a conversation around doxing, which it is
very I mean, we have Pride reporting all of these and nothing really happens,
and these accounts are continuously going on, boxing in smear campaigns not just
on public figures, but on individuals such as myself or others that you know,
our lives can be in danger, our families, lives actually are in
Iran, can be in danger. So I appreciate you taking the time to
answer that, but I hope, hope that maybe there can be a little
bit more structure around that and a little bit more attention to people that for
example, I know you mentioned a couple of months ago calling from you know,
a call to genocide of from the River to the Sea, calls for
active suspension, and there are people that are still doing this day. So
I appreciate everything you're doing. I know that you've done a lot for the
running community, but it is an ask from us to maybe try and monitor
certain accounts that have large followings that actively but people's lives in danger. Okay,
sure, yeah, I will look into it. And you know it's
it's not always easy, like obviously you know, it's easier to review things
that are in English. If they are a far see, it's a little
a little harder. But the rules of the platform are suddenly that you know,
equally for the death or the structure of individuals or nations is illegal and
what resultant suspension with the exception of the u N rule, which is that
if somebody is a recognized world leader and can say that the u N,
then we do allow them to say it on the platform for the same reason
that we allowed the UN to you know, your General Assembly to gather in
New York and and say outrageous things. You know, it's not a cut
situation, but probably better than than not having any contact from them. So
all right, cool, Well, I think think all the times you wrap
this up. If we go to a last question and then we'll wrap up.
Elon. This is Brian Keating and professor of physics at U SEE San
Diego. I got two physics questions I'm hoping you can answer or chime in
on. So I study the cosmic microwat background radiation, which is the after
glow of the Big Bang Whi's discovered sixty five years sixty years ago or so,
and this radiation is thermaline origin. And we are applauding your efforts in
the astronomy community to make the Starlink satellites dark for optical astronomy. But we
microwave astronomers who use signals. We're trying to detect this after glow of inflationary
gravitational waves in Cuban, essentially in Cuban, and you know, there's really
no way to block out a million kelvin equivalent signal that you're transmitting with starling.
I'm wondering, is there any way we could work with you from the
South Pole or Chile where our observatories are located, to absolutetive availability or some
way, because once this channel is gone, we'll never get it back.
And this is, you know, potentially precluding a view into the you know,
inflationary origin of the cosmos. So I know, I know it's very
important to you, and we're appreciative of the astronomy efforts and optical astronomy,
but microwave is a totally different ballgame. Sure, I do think long term,
the right place for telescopes or really any a quotroon receiver is in orbit
or you know, basically space, so you don't have the experience worth and
as you're a starship starts launching, we can put up some pretty big heelescopes
or yeah, ten meter diameter telescopes, so pretty hard to put and they
don't really unfold the way that web would. But I mean, I think
we'll be telling that the selective availability. I'm basically blanking it over the South
Pole. We only have two locations on Earth where we need to have it
unobstructed. Okay, is there's someone would you say like these basically just stuff
stoff transmitting just over these. Yeah, it's the two observatory, Yeah,
in the out of Comma Desert in Chile a seventeen thousand feet and the South
Pole Antarctica, which is, yeah, place we'd love to take you,
by the way, Simon's Observatory, Jim Simon's funded it, and that's of
Science Foundation funds the South Pole observatco BISOP and then but yeah, so if
you if you have any resources he could put me in touch with, they
would be really appreciated. Yeah, I mean, I'll talk to these songs
to you about this. I have a we have a technical update every week.
So I was about any observation and microwaves spectrum and out of Comma and
the antartica. So now we don't wish to do in any way the pharmacy
of science. That would be awesome, thank you. I have one more
question, just related to physics and AI and related to Catherine's book which brought
us all here together tonight. The Katherine congratulations Mazeltov them a book. So
the book called No Apologies. One of the things I hate most about chat
GPT woke GPT is you know, he'll ask you some question. I'll say,
you know, what did Brian Keating Wright And I'll say, you know,
losing the Nobel Prize correct, you know, into the impossible correct.
And then I'll say a brief history of time? No that's not correct.
And I'll say, no, that's not right. I didn't write that's Stephen
Hawking. And then we'll talk. I apologize, I apologize, I hate
that, I hate the I want them Katherine Brodsky, No apologies, but
but it made me think about a true Turing test, and I want to
get your opinion on I've asked Nick Bostrom and David Chalmers and your greatest ideas
and thinkers. Peter di Amanda's our mutual friend. I said, do you
know what Einstein called his happiest thought? Elon? That gave him shivers and
titillated him. Do you know what he said that once? He said,
that's PG. Don't worry, he said. He said it was that an
observer in freefall would experience no gravitational force. And it made me think,
because to what extent could a computer or some silicon or even quantum computer,
could it even have either the happiest thought or be experienced the sensation of visceral
sensation of free fol So I'm wondering if you could propose another, you know,
kind of Turing toast, a different definition of AGI, which would be
actually coming up with new laws of physics or new complete paradigms of physics rather
than just you know, physics is a base way of reality. I mean
you always quote that, right, So what to what extent could we could
we redefine AI is when it becomes generally intelligent when it can experience happy thoughts,
free fall and other things like that. So curious about your thoughts fact,
well, I think you can certainly have a that I would think it's
a would not realize this to the simulation which maybe in the case for us
right now, and that would have a you know, a true physics engine
and falling away that a human would fall and thus experienced sensations in the same
way I do think about. I do think there are some the simulations I
have lots us does explain some elements of quantum mechanics, such as, you
know, only collapsing the probability distribution when you look at something like why why
would something the LHC when you look at it, Well, if it's if
it's rendering in real time, then that's actually how video game works. Like
if you're in video like to say in World war craftice something, and you
walk through a forest and there's a rash and a rat appears. But before
that was there a rat or not a rat. There was only a probability
of a rat. So and the rat only became real when you when you
look in that direction. That collapse of quality space and rat appeared. So
so I think version theory actually explains a lot of things that seemed quite mysterious,
the stroderings Cat situation. But it required infinite infinite compute, right,
because you could always say who simulates the simulators? Infinite regret? Right,
It does beg the question of where's where's the simulator running? Yeah, and
and it may be that that that you have a whole series of nested simulations.
But at some point there is the unsimulated thing. But ultimately the physical
reality. I mean, all these things are gonna be running on a rocky
planet somewhere, right that doesn't have infinite copper. It doesn't have infinite mineral
density to retrieve. So I mean there are planetary limits to growth, as
you know, the Club of Rome would call it. Don't those provide I
mean you can't imagine, you know, changing the physical reality of an earth
like planet. You know, you can't imagine these simulations running on something very
different from an Earth like planet. It's not going to run on a Boltzmann
brain. So at some level it needs physical reality. And so again you
can't break a lot of the physics. So how does it get around the
planetary resource problem. You can't make an infinite number of paper clips on a
finite planet. Well, I don't make if you really need that much.
It's not really like like the universe may seem infinite to us. But frankly,
if I was creating a simulation that's reality out you know, out with
the stars far enough the way that we do not have to simulate the details
of the planets, and in fact that it's the situation. So you really
just have to simulate type fidelity what is observed on our planet as much?
How much is their task than old of reality? And I sort of you
know, joking that, you know, when the James Web telescope went up,
that maybe the reason for the blaze was that the simulators needed to bring
more computers online because now that we can see further, they needed to improve
they of their simulation, so like their equivalent of Amazon Web Services or something.
I'd like I'd like to add that I don't think German Elon Voice could
answer in the same way as Elon did. Yeah, there's a gap.
There's a gap. There's a huge Dolge gap. He's older than me.
There's a difference in the simulations. You know, like you know they're not
exact. There's irregularities, they don't quite match up. I think there needs
to be It's like our yeah, and if I wasn't at least pretty good
at physics, then the ruckus would explode and the cause wouldn't work because physics
is a very harsh judge. I mean, I like to say that,
you know, physics is the law and everything else is recommendation, meaning that
you know you can't break physics, but but plenty of people can break the
law. And if you're breaking physics, you're you're either run or you need
a Nobel prize, but most likely you're wrong. He like, can I
ask you a question? A father of half as many kids as you have?
Sure, so I've heard it said, you know you want to you
want to die on Mars, and our mutual friend Lord Martin Reese said,
I just hope it's not on impact, and I agree with that. But
you know, being a father, you've got that cute kid probably right next
to you. I mean, yeah, I mean, but you have other
kids too, and I mean to say goodbye to a child is I mean
you, I don't have to tell you that it's the most painful thing you
can ever imagine. But wouldn't you have to? I mean, wouldn't that
be kind of the ultimate, you know, going away on a business trip,
if you were to do that. I mean, I just I don't
know. I find it hard to go away on a trip, but I
know you take your kids with you. I got one of my girls right
here with me right now, and she doesn't want to go to bed.
But I mean, what would you do? I mean, could you really
say goodbye to some of your kids or some of the people you love,
maybe your mom never see her again. Well I don't want to say good
guy. I mean we'll well, we'll didventually. I think we don't have
to worry about that for a few more years, Okay, I think so
two plus. Maybe they'll want to come on the trip, right, you
don't know, and maybe it'd be quicker, so you can come back if
you want. Is you fear? You fear a lot of things in your
life, but most don't happen. That's very true, very true, so
much She and and uh and and his mom who's doctor musk. So two
musks on one space and then one one person who sounds alike, so you
know it's been a it's been an interesting trip. I think it's not quite
a trip to Mars, but you know, a trip that's three fun.
But but but Catherine, we've got we've got you, We've got will X,
we've got made video space hosted by Catherine when they come out, can
we make that happen? Thanks everyone for joining. Really appreciate and really appreciate
Elon for being here and taking so many questions as well. So thanks everyone,
and uh, we'll see you in Mars. We'll urg just on the
platform X whichever congratu there in space somewhere. Goodnight, everybody, it's midnight
here. Good night, good good night.