1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,600 When you were in your twenties and you were envisioning the life ahead of you, 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,240 What is it that you predict did you did you think about what it 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,039 might look like? And is it at all similar to where you are today? 4 00:00:12,839 --> 00:00:20,879 No, I didn't think anything, Like SpaceX tells what happened. I 5 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:29,719 well, yeah, so it's completely Yeah, I'm pretty my twenties. Yes, 6 00:00:30,519 --> 00:00:37,079 let's see. Well I termed thirty and two thousand and one, so 7 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:47,240 yeah, I that was before the SpaceX was I've formed in two thousand and 8 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,600 two, and that tells it was really technically incorporated in two thousand and three, 9 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:55,520 but really didn't get going till two thousand and four. Some I think 10 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:02,119 to two thousand fourth when where acre date tells the two three and both space 11 00:01:02,119 --> 00:01:04,799 Ex and Tesla when they started, I thought both probably failed. I gave 12 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:11,280 less than attemptent chance of succeeding. But I thought, if you know, 13 00:01:12,439 --> 00:01:17,959 I made quite a bit of money from PayPal. I mean I was large 14 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:23,920 a shareholder in PayPal, so and I had about one hundred and eighty million 15 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,200 dollars and slab sad a lot of money. So I figured I just effectively 16 00:01:27,239 --> 00:01:34,719 just waste half of it on these foolish, foolish rocket and electric car companies, 17 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:38,879 and and then it turned out they needed basically all of the money. 18 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,799 So then I spent d up giving all of the money to SpaceX and Tanes 19 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,319 and some of it to Sier City, and and they're still almost going back 20 00:01:47,359 --> 00:01:51,680 rupt in both Moss. So, I mean, I just really wanted to 21 00:01:51,719 --> 00:01:56,400 be involved in technologies that would change the world that was made on the real 22 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:04,159 Bult. Well, you you certainly did do that. Do you think there's 23 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:12,039 anything that people might misunderstand about you? No, nothing at all. I 24 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:20,759 think I detected stork my storkcats mate. Never, never, I can think 25 00:02:20,759 --> 00:02:25,639 of something sarcastic. Well, you know, it's it's difficult because I find, 26 00:02:25,879 --> 00:02:30,360 you know, even on the small scale that I've experienced it, like 27 00:02:30,439 --> 00:02:34,520 I, I find it very difficult, and people miss misunderstand something about me 28 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,919 and then judge me, and so I kind of want to correct them and 29 00:02:38,479 --> 00:02:47,879 have you sort of let that. Well, I mean, there's so much 30 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,360 prendant about me that I actually don't even I can't even read it all. 31 00:02:51,439 --> 00:02:54,840 But if I would take a large portion of my day to simply to read 32 00:02:54,960 --> 00:03:01,960 all of the nonsense iCal e about me have grind about me over the years 33 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:07,240 when I find the regular news or what it called the legacy media just depressing 34 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:14,639 and often just uninformative or speaking of misinformation. It's remarkable how often there is 35 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:22,240 just misinformation or just stopping information printed in what, you know, some of 36 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:27,719 the biggest publications in the world. I mean, the Wall Street Journal is 37 00:03:28,039 --> 00:03:30,960 I think now printed three articles saying that I'm high all the time, which 38 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,960 is really uh, like, I guess a compliment, because I mean, 39 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:42,199 you are high in the yes from an altitude step. But I'm certainly fly 40 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:49,000 a lot because my I'm flying around like a lunatic working by the way, 41 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:54,240 not you know, going to my yacht or I don't have a riboland or 42 00:03:54,599 --> 00:04:00,680 or even a holiday home. In fact, more quite someone looked at my 43 00:04:00,719 --> 00:04:05,199 flight schedule and and put it to pinball music because I was flying around best 44 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:11,120 around like so it listened. My flat path looked like a pinball machine, 45 00:04:11,919 --> 00:04:17,360 so I which I think, you know, it really makes it fear that 46 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:23,680 you do have to be at work in person. You can't actually work from 47 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,319 welm and be as effective. You know, this is some wor work from 48 00:04:26,319 --> 00:04:29,560 wim thing. Well, if I could work from wim I why why am 49 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,319 I flying around all the time? I fly around all the time. It 50 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:39,920 makes big dimples to be learned person. And I spent Yeah, so I've 51 00:04:39,959 --> 00:04:46,160 spent many a night in the factory Tesla SpaceX and well that most of the 52 00:04:46,199 --> 00:04:51,199 task. Its's been much more about a challenge on the Maine backroom front, 53 00:04:51,399 --> 00:04:56,079 and just it tells us just in general, been much more of a drama 54 00:04:57,319 --> 00:05:00,879 way, if that's still a thing. One can serning drama and queen a 55 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:13,399 drama bonock, Yes so, and should posting lord Lord. I think I 56 00:05:13,399 --> 00:05:16,439 think that's the official title. I've heard that said in the media, so 57 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:21,639 you know it must be true. Drama monoch, I like that that's you. 58 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:28,439 So yeah, but it does it does really matter to be their person. 59 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,959 I'm actually all that way to help when you're full space section testing the 60 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:42,560 aids primarily Tesla actually and so yeah, well it's one of those things where 61 00:05:42,639 --> 00:05:46,680 I do think, like our humanity, I do think we need some face 62 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,399 to face. I am crazy and I love working from home, but I 63 00:05:48,439 --> 00:05:51,800 also need to see people and brain You know, you can't really brainstorm with 64 00:05:51,879 --> 00:05:57,480 people, not you know, not fast to face, but in terms of 65 00:05:57,519 --> 00:06:00,360 like you know, you've stated many times that you're free each absolutist, and 66 00:06:00,399 --> 00:06:05,279 you bought this platform at least in part to set the bird free. And 67 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:10,480 I believe there's even many means on that. So it's been about a year 68 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:15,560 and a half and I'm wondering, you know, through this experience, have 69 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:19,319 you learned anything about speak of social media platforms that surprised you? And do 70 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:25,160 you think there may be there is a degree that's necessary, you know, 71 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:30,959 in a private platform for a good user experience. Well, I mean it's 72 00:06:30,959 --> 00:06:34,920 been many things that surprise me. Having the amount of government control, of 73 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:40,759 degree to which Twitter was acting at the beat of the many obs of the 74 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:46,560 government was a surprise to me. They really were, you know, in 75 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:53,240 my view, in my view that there were many violations, uh the First 76 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,279 Amendment, which I think you're in Canada, but there is you know, 77 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,759 there's no actual First Amendment in Canada, but there's one in the US. 78 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,720 And you know, and and the government cannot exercise the factor control of the 79 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,800 media. And the reason that man was pretty place is because people came from 80 00:07:10,879 --> 00:07:15,879 countries where you work forbidden to speak on penalty of prison or death, and 81 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,879 so they wanted to have the ability to say what they you know, to 82 00:07:18,879 --> 00:07:26,800 speak really without fear of of severe punishment, at least not from the government. 83 00:07:27,519 --> 00:07:30,079 So so that that was, you know, that was really a very 84 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:39,800 troubling discovery. And then I think obviously anyone who watches that Twitter was was 85 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:47,120 very much controlled by far left activists, very far left, and you know, 86 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:53,160 it was really controlled by a niche ideology that geographically is limited to the 87 00:07:53,199 --> 00:07:56,639 city of San Francisco and Berkeley, not even it doesn't even extend to the 88 00:07:56,639 --> 00:08:03,839 city of South San Francisco or Siddaly not it's Palo Alto. So so you 89 00:08:03,879 --> 00:08:07,680 know, a fall up niche ideology that would ordinarily be geographically contained was effectively 90 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:13,360 piping that what you know, what most people consider it extreme, what most 91 00:08:13,399 --> 00:08:18,360 of the world night acs of the world there ideology was pipe was was pumping 92 00:08:18,399 --> 00:08:22,279 that to anywhere on Earth that would allowed what it to exist, So that 93 00:08:22,439 --> 00:08:26,439 you know, that's I thought it was. It was effectively one time, 94 00:08:26,959 --> 00:08:31,439 you know, so the world and so it's gonna get to be done about 95 00:08:31,439 --> 00:08:37,039 that, I thought it was. It was it was actually a civilizational risk. 96 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:43,759 So you know, I think if if the United States does, for 97 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:48,519 that that would be there's a nice people think, well, they'll they'll escape 98 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:50,879 to New Zealand, no other place. It's like, that's that's not gonna 99 00:08:50,919 --> 00:08:56,799 that's not realistic. Canada will if a nice days falls, Canada is going 100 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:01,399 to become a province in Russia. And I don't know what's going to happen 101 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,519 to the other countries, but they're not gonna. They supply under the protective 102 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:11,440 umbrella of the United States. The United States is this is a central fall, 103 00:09:11,919 --> 00:09:20,279 central tentpole that holds up the entire oedipus of Western civilization. So we 104 00:09:20,399 --> 00:09:24,679 just have we have to make sure that the United States is strong, that 105 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,879 it remains democracy. And free speech is the bedrock of the functioning democracy. 106 00:09:28,879 --> 00:09:35,480 You cannot have a true democracy unless people uh can say that say what they 107 00:09:35,519 --> 00:09:39,559 want to say, and can and can learn the truth of things, because 108 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:45,480 otherwise you're making we work based on a lack of information or a distorted view 109 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:52,039 of information, and which can make the boage effectively meaningless because you don't know 110 00:09:52,039 --> 00:09:56,679 what to put on what basis to make you look. So I think this 111 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:07,080 is something that is extremely important, and that's the reason for require Twitter and 112 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:13,399 and I think we do want a fresh start hens the different branding and and 113 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:18,039 and also accessibably a much broader system in Twitter, which is the name that 114 00:10:18,519 --> 00:10:24,080 made sense when you're doing a one hundred body character or short textual tweets. 115 00:10:24,639 --> 00:10:30,080 It was it was a bit like words some twittering away. But once you 116 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:35,679 start having three hour videos and uh, what are your video calling? And 117 00:10:37,879 --> 00:10:43,320 we will be launching payments later this year, then the name no longer fits 118 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,360 the you know, it would be like naming a company that has broad ranging 119 00:10:48,399 --> 00:10:54,519 products after one product three great sense to do that, And I think also 120 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,840 think it was we want to leave. We want to sort of put the 121 00:10:58,519 --> 00:11:01,519 you know, free the word and let letter fly free and and and be 122 00:11:01,639 --> 00:11:09,440 something else. So sorry, go ahead. Yeah, So that's that's the 123 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:16,120 reasoning for it. But do you feel that maybe like having now had ownership 124 00:11:16,159 --> 00:11:20,720 of it for a while, you know, you do have some regulations on 125 00:11:20,759 --> 00:11:24,240 the platform, you know, certain way to be, you know, and 126 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:28,080 they're not all things that necessarily go against the law, right like obviously you 127 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:33,799 know, threaten someone with violence, But some of the modern maat on the 128 00:11:33,799 --> 00:11:39,000 platform isn't really to do with things they're legal, like where's what's your perspective 129 00:11:39,039 --> 00:11:46,720 on that. Well, actually, the we really should be hearing as close 130 00:11:46,759 --> 00:11:54,919 to the low as possible, so and and really extremely I think reluctant to 131 00:11:54,960 --> 00:12:01,360 have permanent bands on people because I think opponent ban it's almost like the death 132 00:12:01,399 --> 00:12:09,960 sense, so that that should be a very rare thing. So you know, 133 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,320 it's like like we you know it, and where were less of lives 134 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:22,559 as a society, we would execute people with wider crimes or and now it 135 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:28,120 comes inclusion, Well that's that's wrong. The crime should but the people should 136 00:12:28,159 --> 00:12:31,480 be inconstrated for some period of time but not forever, and they shouldn't be 137 00:12:31,519 --> 00:12:37,639 executed unless it's in the very extreme circumstance. So so I think that's kind 138 00:12:37,639 --> 00:12:43,279 of what we should be doing. And that doesn't mean at the same time 139 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:48,120 that you just get to harass other people on the platform. Uh. They 140 00:12:48,159 --> 00:12:52,559 obviously have the ability to to mute from you to I'm getting around to getting 141 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:58,000 rid of the block, but obvious the stronger mute. So so like you 142 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,639 really don't want to hear from someone you there's not some way to get around 143 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:11,320 and which you can just cute them entirely. So in general, if we 144 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:16,440 are suspending people for or accounts for reasons that we'll go beyond the law. 145 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:22,919 I'd like to know about that, because I don't think we should be suspecting 146 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:30,240 people for reasons that whether there's not a probable legal interaction. Yeah, I 147 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:35,120 guess my thinking around that things like it so I used to be, you 148 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,320 know, I think really much more of a free speak absolutely listen to some 149 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:43,240 extent, its still am. But when it comes to private platforms or just 150 00:13:43,279 --> 00:13:46,840 my engagement, because I used to respond to anybody no matter how they said 151 00:13:46,919 --> 00:13:50,240 to me, I realize, well, they're not coming in good faith. 152 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,279 They're like, I can disagree with them on what they say, but if 153 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,639 they're not coming in good faith, if they're rude, if they're attacking me, 154 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:03,120 if they're disingenuous, I don't feel like I have a responsibility to engage 155 00:14:03,159 --> 00:14:07,360 with them, And you certainly don't. Yeah, you should have the ability 156 00:14:07,399 --> 00:14:13,600 to quite you know, to to meet them and have them not not bother 157 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:18,759 you. And and you know, and if if I guess, we do 158 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:28,200 see that there's like a coordinated attack two uh, effectively squash free speech of 159 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,159 the platform, then that that would certainly be reasons for at least the temporary 160 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:35,799 suspension of the accounts that engage in that behavior, and then those temporary suspensions 161 00:14:35,799 --> 00:14:39,159 would grow in length, kind of like when you you know, if you're 162 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:43,639 having your password too many times on your phone, gives you longer and longer 163 00:14:43,679 --> 00:14:48,559 times. You can't just reforce hacket met you know, We've got we have 164 00:14:48,639 --> 00:14:52,080 a system now where it's give people a short suspension, then a lot than 165 00:14:52,159 --> 00:14:58,480 a longer suspension. Eventually the suspension length gets longer and longer if they keep 166 00:14:58,519 --> 00:15:03,039 doing it, and hopefully that serves as a deterrent to you know, bad 167 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:09,159 behavior. But with full permanent suspensions, we really need to be a situation 168 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:16,840 where someone is engaged in obviously you work broad or threatening like auto equivalently threatening 169 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:24,240 violence. They're doing things that are just obviously illegal. Do you have enough 170 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,480 people you think to be able to handle that or do you proceed using AI 171 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,960 to handle you know, things like threats, like things that are in direct 172 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:41,200 violation. I don't. It's not it's not a number of people think I 173 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:46,200 think we need. Uh, we're all reorganizing a company and we are bringing 174 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,279 like a lot of a lot of the work is done by sort of contractors 175 00:15:50,879 --> 00:15:58,279 in other countries, like for English language moderation, and they sometimes just don't 176 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:04,759 understand the context of what's being said, so we'll we'll get too ready false 177 00:16:04,799 --> 00:16:11,320 positives or false negatives where they they should be doing somewhat temporary suspension and they're 178 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:15,000 not, or they suspend someone because but they don't understand that it's an intematic 179 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:25,200 expression that they actually will mean that literally. So we are fully up internal 180 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:30,039 UH team are based in the US that I think we better have have a 181 00:16:30,039 --> 00:16:36,559 better under stating of what when when is you know, when when when is 182 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:44,440 something something somebody really threatening violence versus something bigger speech. It's not it's not 183 00:16:44,879 --> 00:16:48,519 something a matter of quantity, it's it matters that people understand this, which 184 00:16:48,559 --> 00:16:59,600 we stain see Also, the the whole of reporting framework is byzantine, Like 185 00:16:59,639 --> 00:17:08,720 the whole flow of how accounts are reported and then what it's done is extremely 186 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:17,160 complex and difficult to do to understand, even if you're yeah fufully aware of 187 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:23,960 say a US colloquialism is so anyway, So we're building up an enal team 188 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,559 and I think we'll be using that more and more, which should improve the 189 00:17:29,839 --> 00:17:37,160 plody. But yeah, moderation, but I always, of course that moderation. 190 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:44,039 You know, it's like all things of moderation, especially moderations, because 191 00:17:44,079 --> 00:17:49,759 moderation is often the use of us short. I mean like when when when 192 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,720 you know, obviously, when when organizations seek to engage in propaganda, they 193 00:17:56,839 --> 00:18:03,200 naturally use mistleeeding tongue because they are arguation propaganda. In fact, I don't 194 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:07,559 even really like the name Uster and Safety as an organization. I mean, 195 00:18:07,559 --> 00:18:12,039 that'ssary. I would fit very well in George Owelbo. So in generally, 196 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:19,240 I think it's like they don't show customer service or just you know, not 197 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:29,119 much moderation. Now, it's true, I mean, I mean, I 198 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,599 agree with you about the words that are being used. I don't think that 199 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:37,519 they're always intended to be propaganda. I think it's something that sort of starts 200 00:18:37,559 --> 00:18:41,519 as part of the culture, and then there's this sort of feel like you 201 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,880 have to use them. You know. Obviously, I've been in mainstream journalism 202 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,880 for many years. It's not like anybody's ever said to me, hey, 203 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,799 Catherine, you know you need to use these particular words. But you see 204 00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:56,240 them around and you see what each publication uses, and something that you are 205 00:18:56,279 --> 00:19:00,400 sort of taught is that you write in the voice of that publication, and 206 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,640 so it becomes more dominant. This new language becomes more and more dominant, 207 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,440 and people don't really think so much about why are we using these words? 208 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:17,440 Why have they changed? Right? Yeah, well, I think there's almost 209 00:19:17,519 --> 00:19:26,000 like a attempting fates named something trust in safety. It's inevitably going to be 210 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,559 kind of the opposite. Yeah, I think you want to have a new 211 00:19:29,799 --> 00:19:36,240 newful tone as opposed to something which if there's a ministry of trust and safety, 212 00:19:36,319 --> 00:19:44,160 would you would you trust that? Now we're talking for rebellion trusty called 213 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,440 trust and safety. I don't million news. No, no, that's fair. 214 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:52,920 And I think look when the whole Twitter files thing came out for me, 215 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,160 you know, I'm comfortable with some moderation, but I'm also okayd with 216 00:19:56,319 --> 00:20:00,880 not you know, I think you want could go either way. However, 217 00:20:00,319 --> 00:20:03,319 when you have as a private entity, I think you have the right to 218 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:08,960 do what you want. But when you have government organizations exactly telling you what 219 00:20:10,039 --> 00:20:12,599 to do, that to me like that that is where we are looking at 220 00:20:12,599 --> 00:20:15,400 censorships, even if they built it, when you have to do it or 221 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:25,480 else, there's apply to thread there, but you know the I agree, 222 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:29,880 yeah, Well, but where I'm sort of struggling lately. You know, 223 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,440 people have always said, you know, senshine is the best disinfectants. You 224 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,039 know, as a as a liberal, you know, it was always like 225 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,319 freedom of speech is so fundamental in my very left leaning schools. That's what 226 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,319 I've sawt and that was the value we had, and and I still, 227 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,079 you know, obviously believe a lot of that. But when we're looking but 228 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,400 when I think about social media structures, right, you have there's a lot 229 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,720 of incentives that are for telling lies. And it's not just the media social 230 00:20:57,759 --> 00:21:04,000 media, and it's not just acts either. It's what it is is every 231 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,079 social media structure, and it's humans. Right, Humans have a tendency to 232 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:15,720 amplify. I think there are sensational there is incentivized outrage, and so I 233 00:21:15,759 --> 00:21:19,200 don't never well, considering that is the case, do you still feel that 234 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,759 that statement of that the sunshine being the best disinfectant still holds true when you 235 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:29,039 have basically, you know, lies spreading very very quickly. And I know 236 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,319 you've tried to do really good, you know, I'm I'm I'm a big 237 00:21:32,319 --> 00:21:36,000 fan of actually community notes and I think that's one of these you know, 238 00:21:36,079 --> 00:21:41,000 you can help that, but by providing people with more information rather than censoring 239 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,519 whatever, even if it's a lie. But do you think that that structure, 240 00:21:45,799 --> 00:21:51,480 you know, appeals to truth finding? I guess truth seeking in the 241 00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:56,759 sense that it's when things are exposed, you should be coming to the you 242 00:21:56,799 --> 00:22:00,240 know, the truth should come to the surface. But clearly doesn't always right, 243 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:08,759 Well, I think honesty is the best policy actually, and so yeah, 244 00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:11,839 you have to make a choice here. Nothing's going to be perfect. 245 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:17,279 Do whatever. You're on the side of free speech or on the size of 246 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:22,279 censorship. I think we should are on the side of free speech. And 247 00:22:22,319 --> 00:22:26,799 while it is true that lives are often sensationalized and more interesting than the truth, 248 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:33,119 over time, if you have free speech, people can at least get 249 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,039 to the truth that they want to. But if you've got human sensors, 250 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:45,119 well then you're lying on them and up and ate they're wrong, and it 251 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:52,480 becomes a magnetical for activists, for people who back want to distort the truth. 252 00:22:52,000 --> 00:23:03,839 This is really the problem with having moderation, okay censorship is is that 253 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:11,319 those who wish to distort the truth will naturally gravitate to positions of power and 254 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:21,920 information control. So base letter Yeah yeah, so now yeah, so so 255 00:23:22,079 --> 00:23:26,559 this is what this is what happened at Twitter. It didn't start out with 256 00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:33,680 with activists being in control, but it ended up with them being because that's 257 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:38,440 what they they literally, you know, it's like that's the classic say about 258 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,839 Willie Loman, Why did you know? Why did you rop backs and said 259 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,559 because that's where the money is? Well, so, well, why why 260 00:23:45,599 --> 00:23:53,160 did the activists go and become quo moderators and sensors Because that's where the influence 261 00:23:53,279 --> 00:23:59,920 is. So you can pretty much guarantee that that it will be a mag 262 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:07,200 that any any kind of stistic or moderation is gonna be a magnetful for people 263 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:15,880 who want to distorage and control the truth. That's that is what happened at 264 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,519 Tweet. I mean, you're roth. Literally, I believe he actually tweeted 265 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:26,319 that the reason he wanted to be in charge of trust and safety was because 266 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:32,000 he wanted to he wanted to be an activists, Like I think he said 267 00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:40,119 that publicly. Here's any I guess that's a good segue into journalism because you 268 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,440 know, this is something that I'm seeing more you know kind of came up 269 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,920 with I had really greats, really people who valuated proof and called me out 270 00:24:49,079 --> 00:24:52,799 when I you know, be as my way in coffee and asked the right 271 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:57,000 questions. But I have seen sort of the incentive to go into journalism, 272 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:02,519 especially because it's not a highly paid field, right, So so why would 273 00:25:02,519 --> 00:25:04,440 you go into it? You either really really love something about it or you 274 00:25:04,519 --> 00:25:08,480 want to you know, you'd want to have a cause, and so this 275 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,440 kind of active as journalist emerge. So as a result, I do see 276 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:18,240 a lot of issues that we have these case as a result. But you've 277 00:25:18,279 --> 00:25:21,880 spoken a lot about citizen journalism, you know, and I've I've always been 278 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,880 really supportive of the idea of citizen journalism. But at the same time, 279 00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:33,960 you know, there is the the sort of mainstream media does still have really 280 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:40,039 good structures for collecting, use as the resources, as some sort of editorial 281 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:45,799 standard, but it has undoubtedly lost a lot of trust. Do you see, 282 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,880 you know, citizen journalism as being potentially just complementary. Do you see 283 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:56,720 it as something that do you do you see way forward where the traditional mainstream 284 00:25:56,759 --> 00:26:00,920 media can rebuild that trust that a lot of it has lost. Because I 285 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,279 still think there's good work that that some journalists do and some publications do. 286 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:12,119 It's just there's also a lot that I think is fair to criticize. Well, 287 00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:18,720 I think actually that and the legacy media. I think it's correct for 288 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:26,680 a firm as legacy media. It's really an inefficient way of humanity learning what 289 00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:33,160 is going on. It was it was a it's a it's a it's an 290 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:40,440 old technology that was necessary before you add the Internet. But it is I 291 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:47,880 think fundamentally inefficient. Uh. And if you're to simply everyone voicing their opinion 292 00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:55,279 and the most interesting opinions being serviced. But if you think just you say, 293 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,920 like, well, just well, how does the media work. There's 294 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:03,319 this whole number of prominent publications that write a small number of articles. They 295 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:08,519 write articles about areas that they don't actually understand and where they were often not 296 00:27:08,599 --> 00:27:12,079 there or they were usually not there as a field, they are undersaid. 297 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:21,319 So if they're in the best case scenario, you've got someone who it's denserving 298 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:26,519 that the journalists is doing their absolute best to write an accurate article. That's 299 00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:32,839 something. There's still a lot an expiantal field and they're still and beast what 300 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:38,599 character cases for it to actually there, So the biscus of that article is 301 00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:44,160 really going to be pretty bad. That's why, you know, if you 302 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,200 really want to say, like how accurate is any given article, well, 303 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,720 when you see an article that you actually actually understand the field or you know 304 00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:56,079 what actually happened, how accurate is that article? It's usually do you read 305 00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:57,359 it and say, that's actually not at all what happened. As usly, 306 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:03,359 I goes, well, that's true for all the articles. It's not just 307 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:04,720 true for the things that you're an expert, and it's true for all the 308 00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:14,039 articles. If instead we have a vast and large number of people who are 309 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:19,119 expert in the field, who are who were there or literally are there right 310 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:26,839 now, you've got I don't know, one hundred or a thousand or ten 311 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:33,680 thousand times or sources of information. Source of information better be more accurate because 312 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:40,440 they're experts in the field or I'm literally there, and and it's just it's 313 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:47,119 really not something that legacy media can compete with legs. It's thinking like legacy 314 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:52,039 media is like the fax machine, or like writing letters, like with the 315 00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:59,240 pen and paper, compared to the internet, Like how many people used to 316 00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:03,039 communicate by writing letters because that was the only technology available at the time, 317 00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:06,559 So the right letters, and back in the day it was with a quill, 318 00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:08,640 quite difficult, dry letter of the quill, and then you'd have a 319 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:15,960 very slow often uh, your mail will get lost. But this is literally 320 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,880 how the world communicator was. Like writing a letter, they would have to 321 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:26,440 being carried by someone or our boards from one person to another. In NOL 322 00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:30,960 days, when they would declare war, half the country wouldn't even know that 323 00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:37,799 been declared because they didn't get the mail. So that even even in the 324 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,480 in the US Civil War, there were battles that took place well after there 325 00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:47,160 was a peace deal side because they actually didn't know that a peace deal has 326 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,400 been sided. That one of the last battles of the war I think maybe 327 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:55,039 be last was right near our Star based launch sight in South Texas, and 328 00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:57,920 they brought a battle because they didn't realize that that the sides had actually declared 329 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:03,599 peace. So that's kind of what youah with some version of that with the 330 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:11,119 legacy media. I would challenge one thing though, speed is not always I 331 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,200 think you know King. I mean, obviously you want breaking news to happen 332 00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:18,599 quickly, and it's it's important when it does. But and I think AI 333 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,720 is going to help to some extent. But the reporting on the ground is 334 00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:26,759 really important. But when you go at a really high speed, you also 335 00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:30,759 have more chances of getting something wrong. Right, So when you have things 336 00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:36,720 travel really quickly and you've got the wrong information, I mean sometimes that information 337 00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:41,039 can lead to potential depth for you know, people making very bad decisions because 338 00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:45,839 they're relying on information that wasn't vetted. And even with journalists right like you 339 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,400 see that happening. You might see a source for a story and then they'll 340 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:56,160 copy it and there's broken telephone going around and because because it's traveling too fast 341 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,160 and people are trying to get it out too fast, and they haven't properly 342 00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:03,839 verified the information. So I think it's important to sort of keep that in 343 00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:08,720 mind, especially when it comes to important stories. Right, Uh yeah, 344 00:31:08,759 --> 00:31:15,799 Well, I mean the media and is the Leasyvita has a striking clive problem 345 00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:22,440 where the revenue is to decreaseing, user decreasing, so they're actually desperate to 346 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,839 get news out. First, you get news out, even a few hours 347 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:32,839 later, you're gonna get much intentional So this has actually led to a rap 348 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:40,880 or reduction in the quality of information made by legousy media. But for legacy 349 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,119 media, the ability to actually correct things is basically zero. They can take 350 00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:48,920 to run a retraction, you know, a week later that nobody reads, 351 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:55,599 whereas the past years online or like on on the X platform is corrected immediately. 352 00:31:56,119 --> 00:32:00,119 So yes, there may be an up art wrong things that are said, 353 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,079 but then they're just as quickly corrected, and the same cannot be said 354 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,960 on legacy media that's printed. In some cases it's corrected like if the community 355 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,039 note, for example, goes through And by the way I mean, and 356 00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:16,359 this is not just an X situation, right, there's other social media platforms 357 00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:21,839 that don't have things like community notes. So I find that things do spread 358 00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:25,480 very quickly and there isn't always a mechanism for corrections. And I think, 359 00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:30,240 look, community notes is it may be imperfect, but I think there's a 360 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,319 lot that it can do and a lot of areas where it can grow to 361 00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:37,640 do better on the correcting of information. So I think and I agree with 362 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,359 you that with you know, one thing that I have a significant issue with 363 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,440 is that a lot of times when a media outlet makes a mistake, even 364 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,839 if they do correct it, no one sees that correction, and there's no 365 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,640 sort of accountability Like I'd like them to publish and say, you know, 366 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,640 we've made this many errors today and you know, this month, and be 367 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,599 really accountable about it to the readers, because I think would also benefit THEMB 368 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,559 because it will build trust. Do you see a world where you know, 369 00:33:05,839 --> 00:33:08,799 you take like one thing that I've really enjoyed on X and other social well 370 00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:14,759 X, because that's really the dominant platform for me. But when there is 371 00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:19,400 breaking use of some sort you can get like really interesting people breaking it down. 372 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,200 So you might have somebody who has expertise in a particular area or maybe 373 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:27,440 lives in a particular region, and it gives me this kind of enhanced idea 374 00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:30,200 what's going on in the news. So to me, I see it as 375 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,880 something that the citizen journalism aspect of it, or the community aspect of it 376 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,400 is something that to me seems like a great potential enhancement to traditional media and 377 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,839 perhaps there is a way for it to work better together. Do you see 378 00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:51,279 that or do you see social media completely replacing sort of the conventional media format. 379 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:58,759 Well in a bed of what I think what has actually happened and will 380 00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:04,160 happen recently over time, is is it's you know, it's sort of like 381 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:10,280 trying to argue that people should go from having email back to writing letters and 382 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:16,000 mailing them mailing physical letters. It's simply not going to happen. So it's 383 00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:22,000 not it's not even I want this or not. I'm simply describing that legacy 384 00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:29,599 media is a legacy. It's it's it's an inefficient and very slow means of 385 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:37,440 simiting information. And you know, like you can like civilization is is kind 386 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,000 of a group mind for humanity. The efficiency of your coach postaless kind of 387 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,159 a neuron in a giant brain, and the effectness of that brain is going 388 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:51,599 to be function of how well those neurons fire, how quickly they fire, 389 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:58,480 how quickly information trap goes round and is corrected. And I think legacy we 390 00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:07,440 can no will compete with with internet media. Then then then written letters can 391 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:12,880 compete with email. It's simply that's a read just the fact. It doesn't 392 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,559 mean that nobody writes letters anymore. There are some letters written, but they 393 00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:22,719 are niche, and legacy media is a niche and will macwy even more niche. 394 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,239 That's just a statement of fact. That's where I want it to be 395 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:30,039 true or lot. I understand what you're saying. I feel as though there's 396 00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:35,280 certain things that media institutions do better than For example, if somebody is just 397 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,960 on social media and some people are spectacular, right, some people produce incredible 398 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,920 content, they take hundreds of of hours to do it, So there's always 399 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,079 exceptions. But if he wanted to report on a story, like I know 400 00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:51,800 as a journalist, it takes me a very long time basically in proportion to 401 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,639 how much impaid for a story. It sort of gives me an ability to 402 00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:59,199 spend more time researching it, speaking to more sources, really going to the 403 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:04,760 places. So there's certain kinds of journalism where it's like say, investigable pieces 404 00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:09,480 that I think you have a bigger chance of getting a really good story that 405 00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:15,800 you know, application might invest in just kind of like a movie studio invest 406 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,320 in Oscar kind of bait movies, even though it's not a money leader for 407 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,079 them, right, because they want that sort of reputational They want to have 408 00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:30,199 that reputation for good movies, same as they want reputation for good journalism. 409 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,119 And I don't know how that would translate to the social media port where people 410 00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:42,599 don't necessarily have those kinds of resources, including just tumming. Well, if 411 00:36:43,679 --> 00:36:49,480 somebody is actually an expert in the field or literally was there, it takes 412 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,760 very little effort for them to actually inspire the situation. It's much harder for 413 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:58,280 someone who wasn't there or is not an expert look field to attempt to become 414 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,239 at least a slight expert with field or interview of watch people who were there. 415 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,039 That that one of saying is that that that that has no longer necessary. 416 00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:12,880 You can now hear it directly from world class experts as on exit, 417 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:20,039 you can care directly from the best AI scientists and engineers in the world directly 418 00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:25,159 problem immediately. But that information and in some ways it's good that information isn't 419 00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:29,880 filtered, it's uncensored. And at the same time, when you have a 420 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,920 good journalist, that person is should be good at discerning you know, who's 421 00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:38,800 who's a really interesting expert and let's bring different diverse points of views into this 422 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,960 story. So it's more than just you know, one person's opinion or a 423 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,519 few people's random people's opinions who might have expertise, but you know, haven't 424 00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:54,440 done like a full sampling. Well, like I said, I think the 425 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,239 debate is somewhat moved because what I'm describing is simply what is happening and whether 426 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:05,239 one likes someone Wilse So, like I said, legs and media is like 427 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:10,719 like the written letter, like mailing letsons more a quill of pen or something 428 00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:17,079 versus email. It's not that there are no more letters, but femails fast 429 00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:22,320 and more efficient, faster, And that's just it's legs. The media is 430 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,679 just an old technology. I think it's kind of absurd that we print out 431 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:34,840 newspapers still. After all. Assign and my son Saxon, he was of 432 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,800 beings profound observations in the world, was sort of walking through the airport and 433 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:45,440 saw it was a Wall Street journal or something that had like, you know 434 00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:47,360 that the bad Day's stage printed on it. And he was like, wow, 435 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,960 how did they How do they know it was today? I was like, 436 00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:55,000 let's Saxon, they print that out every day. They make the newspaper 437 00:38:55,039 --> 00:39:00,840 every day. It's like what you know, seeking so to see the absurdity 438 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:07,159 of a child like they've print this out every day, its justs and and 439 00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:09,440 and then then he said, well, they're probably just they probably just read 440 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,800 the Internet and printed out. And I said, yes, that is indeed 441 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:20,159 what most newspapers dot. It is such a good descriptions are very good at 442 00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:22,800 this. I have to say they discerned things in the most simple honest wee, 443 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:30,559 Well, you're the vast majority of news is they read something on the 444 00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:35,599 internet, write an article in print at print it out. So that's just 445 00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:38,000 the vast majority of news. So abus and very often it has had some 446 00:39:38,199 --> 00:39:45,880 expost that they're writing an article about Yeah, that's look I I I certainly 447 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:50,880 have my criticisms. I'm also, you know, a biased observer given that 448 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,320 I am a writer, so you know, I am a little invested, 449 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:58,960 a little invested in saving journalism in some way. Though I do think there's 450 00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:02,159 ways to move forward that are different than what is now because it's not working 451 00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:07,480 as well as I wish it was. But one thing that I noticed, 452 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,280 like, so you engange a lot on this platform. You know, you 453 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:14,920 were very active. Everyone knows apparently I don't. I don't even want to 454 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,440 guess how much time you spend, you know, in the Golden stool tweeting. 455 00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:25,159 But but in terms of one thing that you have is as the owner 456 00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:30,639 of this plat worn and you know, somebody with a big following is that 457 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:36,480 you can amplify both certain ideas people and you do, and you know, 458 00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:40,440 I know there's been a lot of criticism in particular both about the ideas that 459 00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:47,079 you choose to amplify and the people that maybe you know might have checker past 460 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:53,119 so whatnot when the same point could potentially be made without them? And I'm 461 00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:57,000 just wondering, like, how much thought do you even put into that? 462 00:40:57,199 --> 00:41:00,400 Do you do you think, oh, I can't meet this this person and 463 00:41:01,159 --> 00:41:04,840 you know, I'm not gonna not a literal notz but you know what I 464 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,159 mean? Or or because or are people like how much thoughts do you give 465 00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:22,400 this at all? Well? This is like may sound sort of esoteric, 466 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:28,840 but like what I'm really trying to achieve here is to prove the signals noise 467 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,320 of the collective consciousness. So uh and and the and the bad word. 468 00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:38,920 I can think of like the your next platform as being you know, all 469 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:44,280 these humans connected in the same way some similar way to to the to a 470 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:50,199 collection of neurons in the brain. You want to improve how you know, 471 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:59,880 the your increased signal or reduced noise and just just have that collective brain being 472 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:06,039 be better. Uh. This is why when you think of that way, 473 00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:12,079 the absurdity of legacy media becomes apparent because it's slow and it goes through a 474 00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:19,079 future points. Number of articles is tiny. It's just just obviously not the 475 00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:28,400 future. So I'm trying to create here, like the over time, a 476 00:42:28,519 --> 00:42:37,960 collector consciousness that I can think well clearly, that can think faster, that 477 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:45,960 that can reach more acurate conclusions. That's the goal. It sounds so esoteric, 478 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:51,079 but that is that is what I'm trying to achieve. Here is a 479 00:42:51,199 --> 00:42:57,079 a better collective consciousness. Are you trying to move the obrigin then window? 480 00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:07,760 Sir? Whichmond the overgin? I don't know how English is my third language? 481 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:15,360 Sorry, I guess is really a good yes? Let me speak quite 482 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:22,920 well? Thank you? What for us to well? Okay, So I'm 483 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:29,039 curious, like so, for example, you you once tweeted a meme by 484 00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:32,440 Colin Wright about how you don't feel like you moved from the left politically, 485 00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:37,599 that essentially the left left chain, And you know, I think there's definitely 486 00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:43,760 a lot at to that because you know, affecting when we talk about something 487 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:52,840 like what they said it was a pretty liberal indeed it now and I'm wondering, 488 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:57,360 like, you know, but you seem to be one thing that you 489 00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:06,400 do, you tend to focus more on things that might be associated with issues 490 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,960 that might be associated more with the culture wards what people call the culture boards, 491 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:16,639 and not necessarily focusing as much as on things like they housing or prison 492 00:44:16,679 --> 00:44:22,840 reform or whatever you know, matter to you. Do you find that is 493 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,840 like? Is there truth to that? Do you feel like you've moved a 494 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:29,239 little bit as well? And are you trying to ship the conversation at all 495 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:35,840 to somewhere where we can discuss something really well. I mean that there's why 496 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,119 my personal account and then there's the company. I'm going to say what I 497 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,239 what I want to say on my you know, postal account, and I 498 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,679 said that before acquiring the company. I was most interacted with the account on 499 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:53,519 the Twitter platform before the acquisition. So you know, I'm not going to 500 00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:59,280 I'm going to say what I want to say. Not to do otherwise would 501 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:05,519 be hypocritical, And I'm not going to inhibit my freedom of speech when I've 502 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,119 literally tried to improve greadom with speech that that would be absurd. However, 503 00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:16,519 Uh, I'm not denying voice to those on the left. In fact, 504 00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:21,440 I don't know of a single I can make bestomology. There's not a single 505 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:27,199 prominent left bring account that has been silenced, including some very extreme left wing 506 00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,599 accounts. So if there are, I'd love to know what that will unsuspend 507 00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:37,840 them. I'm mistaken now, No. But now what we have done though 508 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:44,280 is we're not uh engaged in aggressive censorship of what today is called the right. 509 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:45,800 And I think, you know, not that long ago would have been 510 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:52,480 called the water at left, So that you know, towards the end that 511 00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:59,360 Twitter was really very aggressively censoring anyone on the on the right. I've said 512 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:06,559 deep platform sitting sitting president, and and so you had massive censorship of anyone 513 00:46:06,559 --> 00:46:09,719 on the right. Uh where ten times when he accounts the right were being 514 00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:14,119 suspended as counts on the left. And in fact, the only reason they 515 00:46:14,199 --> 00:46:16,920 was suspending count of the left is when there was an argument between two segments 516 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:21,280 of the left. And it just sounds one of the segments of the left 517 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,000 because an argument between two groups of the left. You know, so like 518 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:30,880 Bernie Sanders was Hllary Clinton type of thing, so uh you know, so 519 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:37,760 so then you know what appears to be well, I guess it's it's not 520 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,760 really an appearance of liver to the right. The platform has moved to the 521 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:45,119 right because it was so far to the left before. And in order to 522 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:50,360 properly represent the whole country and living the whole world, you have to be 523 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,239 you have to be balanced, you have to allow the right to the left. 524 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,920 And sometimes these you know, definitions don't put exactly into a right or 525 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,519 left, they're just do you have allowed both sides with bay to flourish. 526 00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:08,559 And previously, you know, previously under the prior, prior censorship regime, 527 00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:15,960 they they did their best to suppress even water right will week so and like 528 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:24,920 so today's today's right waring honestly is was was was yesterday's water left so so, 529 00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:27,920 like I said, so, it may appear like always wearing to the 530 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,840 right, but all we're doing is is being even handed and enabling a level 531 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:37,360 playing field for for all flights of youth than our leading. Yeah, I 532 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,559 think, And I think one thing is that you've been criticized where the top 533 00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:45,280 one you've been criticize the lot we're coming. You know, it's very kind 534 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:50,800 of speech that people find very offensive. And I think part I don't know. 535 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,239 I can't measure if it's hyeing the global but all I can say I 536 00:47:53,639 --> 00:47:59,880 have spirit state. That's said. I also think of what people throughout the 537 00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:05,519 might common they they gravitate to one, to the platform where they feel like 538 00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:14,039 they want to be thrown off. That might be believe that's so. I 539 00:48:14,039 --> 00:48:16,599 don't know if it's like the platforms issue so much as it's like, as 540 00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:21,960 soon as you allow sort of free speech, a degree of free speech, 541 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:29,079 people gravitate towards that, and that's just human nature. Yeah. Well, 542 00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:35,239 free speech, I think obviously is meaningless less people you don't like are not 543 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,800 to say things don't like. Otherwise it loses I just lose all meaning. 544 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,840 And uh, you know, if if people want to move to another platform, 545 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:52,400 uh, they're well do so they're not changed to the X platform. 546 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:57,880 They will move any any time where they can duel boats or whatever they want 547 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:04,119 to do it. If we do if we do a bad job of creating 548 00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:08,719 a level plank build or or even that that is perceived to not be a 549 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:14,679 level plank build up, obviously people will leave and they will post elsewhere. 550 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:21,679 But in fact, we have seen record usage of the system, and and 551 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,599 the lorms that I pay worse attentioned to the the user seconds as reported by 552 00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:31,559 iOS and Android. That's the most rigorous assessment of usage. It's easy to 553 00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:36,800 sort of write a lot of bots on a PC, but it's much harder 554 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:42,119 to do so on iOS or you know, iOS androids. So you know, 555 00:49:42,119 --> 00:49:47,440 we're just we've seen a roughly twenty thirty percent grace. It's actually ruptly 556 00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:53,440 proportion to the decrease and the legacy media view so legs, I think thanks 557 00:49:53,440 --> 00:50:01,639 the media, yeah, fully formerly known as mainstream media. I saw I 558 00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:07,519 think a twenty thirty percent drop in viewership last year, and we saw a 559 00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:14,719 corresponding increase, So as we're doing something right. And I mean to me 560 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:19,960 that the platform seems very alive. We see more and more plantate creators made 561 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:25,280 more adding a tremendous value to the to the system and written form and video, 562 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:37,920 and and I think I think it's very healthy for ensuring the you know 563 00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:45,159 that that the walk pursuit and people's voice is heard. I think things were 564 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,719 very well actually, So that's that's my perception. Least I could be obviously 565 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:58,480 raw, but it's it's it seems very good and I like I said, 566 00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,920 you know, encourage people on the left or from all parts of the political 567 00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:09,719 respectrum to continue to add their voice to the X platform. And and you 568 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:14,599 know, uh, you know, rather than be that than sort of leave 569 00:51:14,639 --> 00:51:20,840 in a huff, it's better to rebut you know, arguments you disagree with 570 00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:23,760 on the X platform where the right left or in the middle likesit. I 571 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:30,440 think the whole right left definitions it's an arbitrary but here to have a to 572 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:37,079 have a healthy debate various spade. And and that doesn't mean that at times 573 00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:42,320 you will read things that offend you, in fact, but that's you should 574 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,880 bet a wast thing. It's actually good that I'm reading some things that offend 575 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:49,280 me because that thing is free speeches a lot. And that means that if 576 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,400 I say something that offends others, I won't be shut down. That you 577 00:51:52,519 --> 00:51:58,079 give me a break covered. But it's also good to sometimes it is good 578 00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:01,239 to be offended or offend because to make you think through ideas a little bit 579 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:06,559 better and wonter. Okay, why am I offended? I'm sure? Why 580 00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,440 is somebody else offended by this idea? And how do they have points? 581 00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:17,519 Or are they you know, are they Yeah, exactly, So you're sort 582 00:52:17,519 --> 00:52:23,639 of an encouraged people to say. I mean, many times I'll read things 583 00:52:23,639 --> 00:52:28,000 on the platform I'm quite offended and and I'm like, wait a second, 584 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,679 but that's actually, you know, it's good because I should be offendive. 585 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:38,159 I'm not reading things that occasionally more than more than occasionally actually that I disagree 586 00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:43,760 with and uh, and that might change my mind once for a while. 587 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,960 I think it's important to always be open minded. They'll be too sort of 588 00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:53,480 set in your beliefs because the odds that you are right about everything are zero. 589 00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,920 That's why I said, if like, did you believe that everything you'll 590 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,360 political party says it's true, you're full rightly, and anyone who just doesn't, 591 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,559 you know, there's going to be things that your political party says that 592 00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:15,800 are at least sometimes untrue. We're inaccurate, and so you want to, 593 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,559 you know, take things with a grain of salt. And I don't think 594 00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:22,199 of it too much like it's not as people think. It's sort of in 595 00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,719 a tribal way where you know, their political parties like their sports team and 596 00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:32,039 you can do no wrong. But but really obviously it can. It's nobody 597 00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:38,719 beasts a thousand to use this personology, so you know, so she wants 598 00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,400 to be prepared to accept that. Yeah, you know, I'm not saying 599 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,320 you should change political parties, but that your political body will be wrong on 600 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,519 some issues. You won't be disaal disagreeful on some issues. Definitely need to 601 00:53:49,559 --> 00:53:53,079 be able to criticize. These political parties are political parties because that's how they 602 00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:58,159 would change. Right, If you don't criticize, they're not going to change. 603 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,719 And just one corruption, there is one human in the universe that never 604 00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:14,880 gets anything wrong. That's me. Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, 605 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:23,639 you're stunning. I can tell. Well, I'm not completely unable to 606 00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:32,920 detect spot sarcasm, so or uh, I mean, I find, as 607 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:37,760 you know, the old right get the less I think that I know, 608 00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:46,920 and I you know, I would say I get like the less certainly animal 609 00:54:47,039 --> 00:54:52,039 like things. And the more I realized there was roble about the stunning. 610 00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:59,519 The other thing, I encouraged people to sort of like trying to try to 611 00:54:59,559 --> 00:55:05,360 be more when minded as you get older, not less. Well, I 612 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,400 know you said that you very much. You know you want to be able 613 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:13,079 to use your free speech. But one thing your free speech does amplify it, 614 00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:15,840 and so like I know that if I you know, if I read 615 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:22,119 an article like my my free speech in right clearly have more implement than who 616 00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:29,679 doesn't have. And you know, especially when it comes to something like saying 617 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:35,079 you common and a lot of things like say geopolitics, right, do you 618 00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:38,400 feel a level of responsibility that comes with the influence that you hold? Do 619 00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,800 you? Or do you just hold yourself to the exact same standard as any 620 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:50,760 other even on this platform. Well, I mean I try to speak my 621 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,000 mind. I mean I try to say what I know, what I believe. 622 00:55:54,119 --> 00:55:58,559 Let's not say that what I believe is that's really true. It's gonna 623 00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:01,920 be around some degree. And if I am wrong, I try to correct 624 00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:07,239 it. If others haven't already corrected it, or community notes is not correcting 625 00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:12,559 it. You know, there's there's no special like I don't have the ability 626 00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:16,119 to start the community note on on my account or anyone else's. It's just 627 00:56:16,159 --> 00:56:21,480 important the community notes. All the quote is open source, all the data 628 00:56:21,519 --> 00:56:25,119 is open source, so you can recreate whether any given note will be visible, 629 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,719 and so you can immediately tell if if I had a thumb on the 630 00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,800 sale, you could see my thumb very clearly. So these people asked me 631 00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,960 to get rid of a community notes, and I say, like, look, 632 00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:40,920 I literally cannot get rid of a community note on on my account or 633 00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:45,239 anyone's account. Well, you get a whole lot of them, so I 634 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:49,000 believe you. Yeah, I've got in a bunch of community notes, So 635 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,199 I mean I do. I do bost lots, So there's gonna be some 636 00:56:55,280 --> 00:57:01,320 proportionality too. It's like about a average going back batting average thing. You're 637 00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:07,000 going to have, well, community notes if you post a lot more, 638 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:13,559 you know, like you think of like you notes or horror battles or wrongness 639 00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:17,119 is going to be. You know, if you post a thousand things and 640 00:57:17,199 --> 00:57:22,880 get tampas out of them wrong, you know you've gone one hundred wrong things. 641 00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:27,239 If you said there post only one hundred things and the wrong you only 642 00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:34,559 have ten wrong things. So you're just looking at yah seeing how many posts, 643 00:57:34,719 --> 00:57:38,239 what percentage of those we're wrong, want, how many we're all in 644 00:57:38,519 --> 00:57:45,920 the absolute? So I do much a lot, but I think generally, 645 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:52,880 I think I think my accuracy is pretty good, right well, and they're 646 00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,840 your opinion, so I mean some of it. I don't think we can 647 00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:59,639 say this is right or wrong. I can vement needs, disagree with you, 648 00:57:59,719 --> 00:58:02,599 which I do, and a number of things. But but you know, 649 00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:08,920 I I there's subjective things that I can't say. You know, you're 650 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:14,519 you're absolutely wrong and I'm absolutely right. I just believe that I'm always right. 651 00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:17,719 So that's this is another circuit. We need a sarcasm to dector device, 652 00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:23,480 Like don't you have like this company that releases like burnt hair and blow 653 00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:31,440 torches that could be like a sarcasm sarcasm director detector could be your next gadget. 654 00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:39,000 How do you feel about that? I think my idea is actually I 655 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:44,679 think a good AI can detect sarcasm pretty well, certainly if it's if it's 656 00:58:44,679 --> 00:58:51,639 spoken. It's a little lot of to detect sarcasm in written form. So 657 00:58:52,239 --> 00:59:00,159 the tone usually it's sarcast spoken. But uh, my mother is saying is 658 00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:07,199 like every time you're sadcasting you lose a bread that happened to me a lot. 659 00:59:07,239 --> 00:59:12,039 Well do you think that Brock? Because you've mentioned that Grock is motivated 660 00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:16,599 by truth seeking curiosity, How do you think you can help? So that's 661 00:59:16,639 --> 00:59:20,480 the goal, So how do you think it can help? A platform like 662 00:59:20,599 --> 00:59:23,840 acts do you think AI can help users be more accurate in what they'd say, 663 00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:29,639 maybe by suggesting, hey, you know, this thing didn't happen in 664 00:59:29,639 --> 00:59:34,360 the year in nineteen sixty eight, it happened in nineteen seventy seven or something 665 00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,239 like that. One. It's a factual correction. Do you see it being 666 00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:42,679 used that way? Yeah, absolutely so. But they're used in Brock Block 667 00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:46,400 quite five, which hopefully is only a few weeks away. We'll have the 668 00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:52,519 sort of the the ability to do brought to do analysis like the one that 669 00:59:52,559 --> 01:00:00,280 says Rock analysis kind of like Wilsk analysis like the Baguin and and then Grock 670 01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:07,760 can tell you whether these the sort of look at the whole thread of what 671 01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:14,679 you know, look at an entire sort of threat of replies and sum up 672 01:00:14,719 --> 01:00:21,039 what you know. It's best guess what the truth is and if there are 673 01:00:21,039 --> 01:00:24,320 any errors, as well as to help people in creating posts, as when 674 01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:29,920 you're when you're writing a post, if you want a bit of help from 675 01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:35,800 Grock, then this should be able to know that helps you craft or check 676 01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:42,440 or enhance a post. That would be pretty useful. And and then when 677 01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,760 you do see a paining voice to be able to easily say, well, 678 01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:51,440 tell me what the revital to this would be and say, you know, 679 01:00:52,519 --> 01:01:00,599 yeah, that that I think will be quite useful. And yeah, we'll 680 01:01:00,719 --> 01:01:10,239 sort of errate towards something that is as helpless possible level and bringing accuracy, 681 01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:15,480 get getting into the sort of as close to the whole truth, the truth, 682 01:01:15,519 --> 01:01:19,239 the whole truth, and ideally nothing with truth and nothing but the truth. 683 01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,119 But it is hard, but we've at least reduce the percentage that is 684 01:01:22,199 --> 01:01:27,559 uncool. I have a competing product. I don't know if you're where. 685 01:01:27,639 --> 01:01:34,000 It's called cat GYBT. Hello, Leila, I am catchy BT and I 686 01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:40,360 grops ass mm hmmm. So it's it's the sarcastic model of AI, that's 687 01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:49,199 what it is. But in terms of like you know, obviously AI can 688 01:01:49,239 --> 01:01:52,280 be used for good for evil, and I think we're going to be seeing 689 01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,639 We're already seeing a lot more deep fakes. I think a lot of video 690 01:01:54,719 --> 01:02:00,719 generated content images and a lot of that is being used to influence and I 691 01:02:00,719 --> 01:02:04,599 mean there's already been so many influenced campaigns from different countries. There's been a 692 01:02:04,639 --> 01:02:07,960 lot of research on that, and today there's things that we can look at, 693 01:02:07,039 --> 01:02:09,559 we can look at AI. You know, maybe the hands that there's 694 01:02:09,679 --> 01:02:14,440 you know, six fingers. I think that's a very rare genetic disorder, 695 01:02:14,519 --> 01:02:17,119 so we can rule that out as being a real human. I think there's 696 01:02:17,159 --> 01:02:22,639 a lot of ways that we little tail signs, right, but I think 697 01:02:22,679 --> 01:02:28,800 that's going to be more and more increasingly difficult. So how do you see 698 01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,880 us navigating this? And are we going to be a society with zero trust 699 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:40,079 because we can't even trust you know, a picture or video. Well, 700 01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:46,079 I think very quickly on the X system, if something is AI generated or 701 01:02:46,119 --> 01:02:50,880 true, you will see in the replies, if not in community notes that 702 01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:59,559 it is AI generator or not. I yet to be really well by, 703 01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:02,559 you know, any any significance. I think the only one that that I 704 01:03:02,599 --> 01:03:07,800 think well me was that the which I think retrospect was with Silly the Pope 705 01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:13,679 and the Papa jacket, which you know is not really going to be wearing 706 01:03:13,679 --> 01:03:17,800 a popajacket in the middle of summer in Italy. It's a good warm but 707 01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:22,000 it did look good. I don't know, I haven't really Can you think 708 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:31,079 of some examples of uh aijerriators stuff that wasn't like immediately corrected? No, 709 01:03:31,519 --> 01:03:35,960 I think right now, I mean I wouldn't know if it wasn't immediately corrected. 710 01:03:36,119 --> 01:03:39,119 I think certain things spread for a long time until they were corrected. 711 01:03:39,239 --> 01:03:45,440 Some things were corrected, But I think as it gets better, I think 712 01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:49,760 it's going to be more difficult because social media platforms don't really have a way 713 01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,960 of, say, detecting that this is in the AI generated you know, 714 01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:58,880 video or image, and so that's something that leaves a lot of room for 715 01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:01,800 again falsities, and like, you know, for me, you know, 716 01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:06,960 I want I want people to make their decisions based on as much accurate information 717 01:04:08,039 --> 01:04:11,000 as they can, even if it's not the same decision that I'm making. 718 01:04:11,559 --> 01:04:17,280 In this stems in the way I think, Well, that's why I always 719 01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:25,280 usually ask for examples of things like rather than have you know, what one 720 01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:29,159 can sort of voice fake is what might happen in the future. But you 721 01:04:29,199 --> 01:04:30,320 know this, one can think of a lot of examples as a present. 722 01:04:31,079 --> 01:04:36,719 It remains simply a fear of what might happen in the future, you know, 723 01:04:36,719 --> 01:04:40,559 And if there are corey examples of the present, then perhaps there's something 724 01:04:40,599 --> 01:04:45,599 we can do about it. I'm just saying that I have rarely see some 725 01:04:45,719 --> 01:04:49,840 sort of AI generated thing that that whether there's not an immediate direction in the 726 01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:57,320 comments or a communely need. Yeah, well, I think this is something 727 01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,800 that a lot of people that feel about. Trying to figure altitud is not 728 01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:05,639 an easy problem to solved beyond say community, because it's going to be hard 729 01:05:06,119 --> 01:05:10,719 to identify. But one thing you said previously, he said, you know 730 01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:15,639 you really want to make X the everything app, And you know I can 731 01:05:15,679 --> 01:05:20,239 see that as being potentially also a way to be less reliant on one revenue 732 01:05:20,239 --> 01:05:27,639 stream, so advertising revenue stream, which which I think supports your your dedication 733 01:05:27,719 --> 01:05:31,519 to freedom of speech. But is there you know, is there a particular 734 01:05:31,559 --> 01:05:35,840 reason beyond that, if that's even the part of the reason. Is there 735 01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:41,800 a reason that you want X to be for everything and not just for speech 736 01:05:44,599 --> 01:05:50,000 to me, be including video, i' let's try that. What you mean, 737 01:05:50,639 --> 01:05:54,039 well, because because I know one thing, you want it to be 738 01:05:54,159 --> 01:05:58,480 able, You want people to be able to make safe financial transactions on the 739 01:05:58,519 --> 01:06:01,320 app. Then you've got brock ai, so you've got a lot of different 740 01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:06,719 elements, not just say video and spaces and text. You want it to 741 01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:13,039 do a lot more than that. So I'm wondering what the reason for that 742 01:06:13,199 --> 01:06:20,039 is. I just think it would be useful. So it's not useful, 743 01:06:20,119 --> 01:06:23,960 pia one use it, but if it is useful, they will. So 744 01:06:24,039 --> 01:06:30,719 I'm trying to make the most useful platform on the Internet. And yeah, 745 01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:38,519 so I think I think so all in one happen is pretty useful. That 746 01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:44,920 could be wrong if I'm wrong, one use it. So that's your motivation, 747 01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:50,760 is like the usefulness of things? Yeah, interesting generally, the further 748 01:06:50,840 --> 01:07:00,039 it's of civilization in pursuit of a more enlightened future. Do you see I 749 01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:05,000 mean, I think a lot of people have lost trust in institutions, and 750 01:07:05,039 --> 01:07:09,639 I think not just you know, media, but many institutions. Do you 751 01:07:09,639 --> 01:07:14,079 see a path forward where people can regain that trust? What what do you 752 01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:21,480 think can be done to do that? Well? I think people shouldn't trust 753 01:07:21,519 --> 01:07:30,480 institutions, or they should trust institutions fortunate to the accuracy what those institutions have 754 01:07:30,639 --> 01:07:36,280 said in the past. So if they are you know, if they if 755 01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:44,920 they an institution as a track record of being wrong or deceptive, then the 756 01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:49,599 reputation will you know that that reputation is that that's the reptation are going to 757 01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:57,840 have over time, and so canny given institutions group the public trust. They 758 01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:03,400 need to be more accurate than truthful, and then over time there there pat 759 01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:10,199 will improve. Now it is true that there's an asymmetryl there and that you 760 01:08:10,239 --> 01:08:17,119 can destroy reputational a lot. It's far easier to destroy a reputation for truthless 761 01:08:17,159 --> 01:08:23,359 than it is to create one. And so so if you if you saw 762 01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:26,840 it, just like a like products, if the company mature products and the 763 01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:33,000 product quality suffers, even briefly, it takes a long time with four consumers 764 01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:39,640 believe you gain about your product quality. You know, like the American water 765 01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:44,880 industry had that problem where the quality of cars was just fearner to Jafese cars 766 01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:49,680 in the nearly eighties and nineties, and it took really a few decades before 767 01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:57,399 that perception was of American wires something worse. Quality was stressed. And it 768 01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,920 might even not probably not even today. It's playing not full the rest. 769 01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:06,239 So you know, well said you can take a lot of time to buil 770 01:09:06,239 --> 01:09:10,560 a reputation, five minutes to destroy it. I think that's three. It 771 01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:15,600 extreme, but let's play extree point of view. But it's somethin part easier 772 01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:20,119 to damage a reputation of truth than to create one. No, absolutely. 773 01:09:20,239 --> 01:09:26,119 And the problem also with institutions is that to function properly as a society, 774 01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:29,720 we do need a level of trust or it just kind of falls apart, 775 01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,159 so it becomes you know, it's a difficult thing to solve when you lose 776 01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:39,119 that trust regaining it. It's just incredibly difficult also in terms of trust or 777 01:09:39,199 --> 01:09:43,239 reputation. As you said, you know, because I've been researching this for 778 01:09:43,399 --> 01:09:48,159 my book. You know, I was one thing that is really incredibly important 779 01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:54,359 that because we all have this digital footprint nowadays, right where whereas if your 780 01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:57,479 reputation was destroyed in the past, you can move to a new town, 781 01:09:58,199 --> 01:10:00,399 you know, change your name, or move to a new town and maybe 782 01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:04,319 start over. If there were newspaper articles about you, they would sort of 783 01:10:04,399 --> 01:10:08,840 vanished in a couple of weeks and that's it. And now, because everything 784 01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:13,079 is digital, anything that's ever said about you is now forever and follows you 785 01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:18,359 everywhere. That makes it really really difficult for people, particularly when they're targeted 786 01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:24,800 for those things or even genuine as deeds that maybe they shouldn't have a lifetime 787 01:10:25,039 --> 01:10:31,039 of suffering from. Well I know what, I don't know what to do 788 01:10:31,119 --> 01:10:35,159 about that. It is true that uh, you know, what you say 789 01:10:35,159 --> 01:10:41,560 on the internet lost forever, so very we'll just need to be a little 790 01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:46,159 more forgiving. Uh, you know, somebody's made a wrong tweet what I 791 01:10:46,199 --> 01:10:53,880 am about most ten years ago that you know, a little big. Maybe 792 01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,760 we should just all them to be a little more for giving of such things, 793 01:11:00,039 --> 01:11:02,079 you know, when should some people shouldn't be canceled for. And in 794 01:11:02,199 --> 01:11:04,680 fact, for a while they have people who are medias were being canceled for 795 01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:13,279 you know, tweeted it thirteen years ago, which is absurd. So you 796 01:11:13,319 --> 01:11:17,960 know, everyone has what moments or where they you know, poor something, 797 01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:27,520 perhaps when they're in a bad just a really bad state of mind or you 798 01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,760 know, I don't know. I think we should have some forgiveness, especially 799 01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:38,520 if people apologize what they are, you know, the demoships a forgiveness there. 800 01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:43,760 I mean, I will say, apologize if you Jennine Johnson being wrong, 801 01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:49,640 they needed Johnson being wrong, Never apologize book. I think it's if 802 01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:57,520 yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, I don't think you should apologize 803 01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:00,720 if if there's something you used to it when I was just genuous to progest 804 01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:10,720 with something that you aren't actually sorry about. So but you know, yeah, 805 01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:15,359 you should be disast in your apology. It's uh. I mean, 806 01:12:15,359 --> 01:12:19,359 we're all just human here and you let's make mistakes. You know, to 807 01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:30,159 err is human. So if you know, sometimes we say things in a 808 01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:35,439 hurry or in a like I said the best say in my animal without initially 809 01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:42,640 knowing all the facts. But then if you subsequently correct yourself, I think 810 01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:47,159 we should accept that. Yeah. I think people often say listen, it's 811 01:12:47,279 --> 01:12:53,680 it's it's accountability culture, and I think the difference there is I think people 812 01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,800 should be accountable for the words and their actions. I certainly don't think they 813 01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:00,840 should be you know, unaccountable for everything. How whoever, you know, 814 01:13:00,359 --> 01:13:06,079 it gives bred and said something and they said something a little off, we 815 01:13:06,159 --> 01:13:11,479 would have a little bit of grace. And so people get to the stuck 816 01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:16,039 with the respons of the next day, forever and ever and whatever quite disproportunately 817 01:13:16,159 --> 01:13:20,279 often times. So that is I think that is a big issue. I 818 01:13:20,359 --> 01:13:29,680 think as a society, like you know, in prisons, right Viole. 819 01:13:30,359 --> 01:13:41,680 But also because some really duncan and we're also could be you know, organ 820 01:13:42,039 --> 01:13:45,479 sentence should be impeding to the cine. And so I think we look at 821 01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:53,880 sociding the same ms from infancy, so that is I think it's very similar. 822 01:13:54,199 --> 01:14:00,479 People. You could probably have a similar approach to that. Okay, 823 01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:14,079 it's true. Okay, all right, you can disagree and child all right. 824 01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,039 Well, I'm wondering this is probably a very we're airing at. But 825 01:14:18,279 --> 01:14:23,000 I know that people worry about the lot a lot. I'm worried about gene 826 01:14:23,119 --> 01:14:35,039 editing, and I'm wondering, you know, it's something that isn't all why 827 01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:46,680 you see all that? I'm sorry, I think the connection is unfortunately a 828 01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:51,880 little. I think it's maybe it was maybe it's me. Can you hear 829 01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:57,600 me better now or no? Yeah, okay, I was just asking about 830 01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,760 gene editing and your thoughts on that. It's as far as you know, 831 01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:05,560 editing designer babies as opposed to just dealing with health consequences, like does that 832 01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:17,680 change our humanity? Well, it takes a long time to break human I 833 01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:25,199 mean it's twenty years, so I don't worry too much about gene modification there, 834 01:15:25,359 --> 01:15:28,039 and like somebody making super soldiers, it will take far too long. 835 01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,960 AI is moving at you know, artificial just moving so much faster than hes 836 01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:36,920 to blessed to grow up. So I think that's that's really the thing to 837 01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:43,000 be concerned about, not whether we're doing g editing to make people a bit 838 01:15:43,079 --> 01:15:49,199 smarter or make their nit with simple soldiers. Right, I have one last 839 01:15:49,359 --> 01:15:53,439 question for you. I don't know, and I know I've taken a lot 840 01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:55,760 of time, so I don't want to keep you. I don't know if 841 01:15:55,760 --> 01:16:01,000 you have any time to take a couple of audience questions. Okay, great, 842 01:16:01,119 --> 01:16:05,119 I'll ask you one question and then we'll go to the a few audience 843 01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:11,079 numbers. So my question is, if you could solve one problem, what 844 01:16:11,199 --> 01:16:30,439 would it be? I guess I tried it at here in intelligence dramatical Uh 845 01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:36,319 just I guess way of magic? Want to just make everyone like ten times? 846 01:16:36,359 --> 01:16:42,279 Why do I will do that? I quite like this one. Actually, 847 01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:47,640 I actually, weirdly enough kind of like that answer, Sarah, Do 848 01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:51,439 you have a question? Thank you so fun of you all the time. 849 01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:58,039 So I am, and she's she's a good person for bringing me up. 850 01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:04,000 Calf and asked you earlier about you wanting to make X the everything app. 851 01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:10,439 Where do you see X in a year? Do you see it largely the 852 01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:17,119 same or will it be a completely different user experience in a year? And 853 01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:23,520 I don't think it's gonna be completely different, but I will. You'll simply 854 01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:29,600 see a lot more features of functionality. I think we'll have audio video calling, 855 01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:36,199 group group audio video calling, screen sharing, and all things that want 856 01:17:36,199 --> 01:17:41,680 it stant to this sort of expect from say it you know, a signal 857 01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:48,199 or WhatsApp or whatever. I think will be a ideally a wide range of 858 01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:56,159 financial services, and hey it's and beyond. We'll see a lot more local 859 01:17:56,279 --> 01:18:01,760 content love wal video us, the mortons to search with thein the excess and 860 01:18:02,079 --> 01:18:10,479 dramatical better. The recommendations, well, the sort of for you recommendations, 861 01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:16,720 where I recently moved to AI based recon emotions that just give new content that's 862 01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:24,279 not all compelling than uh we the heuristics or rules of thumb based content recommendations. 863 01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:27,039 So what we have, what what what what? What we've been doing 864 01:18:27,079 --> 01:18:31,159 over the past year or so is increasingly not evolved, but AI that has 865 01:18:31,199 --> 01:18:38,520 evolving. The recommended for you posts, which I think people are generally responded 866 01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:43,800 well to. I think people most people do that the the recommendations are quite 867 01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:47,720 compelling, and they'll do a bit more are compelling. May I ask one 868 01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:51,680 more quick thing, Oh, I'm sorry I cut you off. Yeah, 869 01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:56,199 and to I tell me, if you just agree with ada, and I 870 01:18:56,279 --> 01:19:00,720 would like to have you found the recommendations and the for you be you know, 871 01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:06,079 more compelling than say a year ago. I would say that the for 872 01:19:06,359 --> 01:19:12,359 you still need some work. Some of the things that I'm recommended, I 873 01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:18,399 wouldn't say are they would be wasted user minutes as as you say at times. 874 01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:25,600 But I think it has gotten better what I really liked and Catherine and 875 01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:31,399 I used it the other day. We used the ex calling feature and our 876 01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:36,680 sound quality was great, the video worked great. It worked better for me 877 01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:43,359 than WhatsApp or signal. Do you see people do you see wanting people to 878 01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:47,520 use that option more. You talked about not using your cell phone in the 879 01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:56,640 future and only taking calls on X. Will you truly do that? I'll 880 01:19:56,720 --> 01:20:02,199 try, Uh, yeah, I will try. I mean, the best 881 01:20:02,239 --> 01:20:06,920 way to improve a project to use it. And if it's you know this, 882 01:20:08,079 --> 01:20:11,479 I think there's still a lot of functionality we need to improve about our 883 01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:18,000 what everyday calling and yeah, that so I think. So I'm not gonna 884 01:20:18,279 --> 01:20:25,479 batter my friend the quite yet, but I'm you know, hopefully, I 885 01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:28,359 think I'll be able to just write when over around the middle of this year, 886 01:20:29,319 --> 01:20:39,800 and uh, yep, yeah, And I've been using the X what 887 01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:44,079 do you every day? Calling more and more of the past few weeks, 888 01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:48,720 and definitely things read to improved, but it's works pretty well as as you 889 01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:59,520 experience. Thank you, Aaron, I, thanks Elon for doing the space 890 01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:01,840 with Catherine, and thank you also for what you've done for free speech on 891 01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:08,439 this platform. I'm one of the private poaintiffs in the Missouri b Biden censorship 892 01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:13,359 lawsuit that's currently before the Supreme Court. We'll have oral arguments on March eighteen. 893 01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:16,640 I co played the jay about Chariti. I think is one of the 894 01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:21,239 scientists that you know, so I appreciate you opening things up with the Twitter 895 01:21:21,319 --> 01:21:28,199 files to those journalists. And the platform certainly hasn't proved since you've taken over. 896 01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:32,359 I have noticed, however, since you stepped down as CEO, and 897 01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:39,640 I understand why you've got a lot of companies to run that Twitter two point 898 01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:45,600 zero has maybe reverted to Twitter one point eight one point seven, closer to 899 01:21:45,319 --> 01:21:51,720 what it was before you purchased it. And I also know my own reading 900 01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:57,600 of this is some of it's personnel, but some of it is also just 901 01:21:59,079 --> 01:22:06,119 machine learning that has been outsourced to third parties and the sort of accumulated code 902 01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:13,439 that you can't exactly wipe the slate clean and start over with a blank slate. 903 01:22:15,239 --> 01:22:18,119 Given just sort of the nature of this platform and the accumulated history of 904 01:22:18,159 --> 01:22:23,840 the platform, I guess my question for you is what can be done about 905 01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:33,640 the but the continued suppression of speech on this platform there is less a function 906 01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:40,680 maybe of the current personnel, and more a function of old code that has 907 01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:48,319 been encrusted into the system. Do you have a game plan to sort of 908 01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:56,520 clean that up in such a way that the playing field truly becomes level and 909 01:22:56,640 --> 01:23:00,319 we're no longer seeing things like a follower cap based on content that is constitutionally 910 01:23:00,399 --> 01:23:05,479 protected speech I'm not I'm not talking about and I will not defend speech that 911 01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:12,000 is not constitutionally protected, but constitutionally protected speech you know, where it's really 912 01:23:12,119 --> 01:23:15,720 just viewpoint discrimination. I think Twitter has come a long way under your leadership. 913 01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:19,199 I would like to see it go sort of all the way under your 914 01:23:19,279 --> 01:23:24,479 leadership, But I understand that's a sure, that's a pretty gargantuan task, 915 01:23:25,319 --> 01:23:28,319 and so I just like to get your sense of the lay of the land 916 01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:33,000 and what war can still be done to make this sort of the best free 917 01:23:33,039 --> 01:23:36,920 speech platform. Well, it is the best free speech platform out there, 918 01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:42,319 but a better free speech platform that might not be a high bar. Actually 919 01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:49,920 yeah, yeah, that's right. Well, you know what short, just 920 01:23:50,039 --> 01:23:55,439 the team and I will be some things more. I mean I do. 921 01:23:55,760 --> 01:24:02,359 I do still run product development, excluding the recommendation engine. And you know, 922 01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:06,680 I'm not sort of picking on individual accounts to remote at all, but 923 01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:14,840 ever, but rather the just try to improve the quality of recommendations that people 924 01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:20,000 find it need to improve the signal's noise that you're getting content that you find 925 01:24:20,079 --> 01:24:26,600 to be interesting, informative, funny and as opposed to you know, boring 926 01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:33,840 or wrong. So any any inface you can give me that would help me 927 01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:40,279 in that task will be appreciated. Is there anything you just send me a 928 01:24:40,279 --> 01:24:43,039 specific any anything like if you're in my position, what would you do? 929 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,239 Yeah, well, just from my own personal experience, you know, once 930 01:24:47,279 --> 01:24:50,079 you get a feel for this app, and if you're posting a lot, 931 01:24:50,359 --> 01:24:54,880 you can sort of set get a sense of what the algorithm is up to. 932 01:24:55,039 --> 01:24:59,479 Visa be your account, and you know, I experienced a really hard 933 01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:05,039 and fast under Twitter one point zero that really got lifted and there was a 934 01:25:05,359 --> 01:25:11,520 totally different feel on the platform within I would say a month or two of 935 01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:15,000 you taking over and a lot of the firings that happened, and a lot 936 01:25:15,039 --> 01:25:18,119 of the cleaning house. But you know, once again, I feel myself 937 01:25:18,279 --> 01:25:24,640 under a follower cap and I'm tweeting mostly about censorship and free speech, and 938 01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:30,000 I'm focusing my research and my writing mostly on censorship and free speech. And 939 01:25:30,039 --> 01:25:35,520 you know, I wonder what is still at work on this platform such that 940 01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:42,960 people like Jay or me or my other co plaintiffs in the case, credible 941 01:25:43,039 --> 01:25:47,920 doctors and scientists who have, you know, credible opinions, and you know, 942 01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:54,760 are extra considerable influence now with this this case that many believe is the 943 01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:59,760 most important free speech case of our generation because it's related to this new media 944 01:26:00,039 --> 01:26:02,600 for media that you and Catherine have been talking about. And you know, 945 01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:08,520 I can't say for sure why that is happening, but something in the algorithm 946 01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:15,159 is putting its thumb on the scales continuously when you talk about certain controversial issues, 947 01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:20,920 and that may be old stuff deeply embedded within. You know that the 948 01:26:21,239 --> 01:26:27,479 functioning of the algorithm. It may be stuff that's been added since you came 949 01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:31,800 on. I'm not a coder. I'm not a computer scientist, although my 950 01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:35,960 father was. So I can't tell you exactly what's going on because I don't 951 01:26:36,239 --> 01:26:39,640 have access to the code, and even if I did, I don't know 952 01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:42,720 that I would be able to interpret it. But I can't tell you as 953 01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:46,359 a frequent user of this platform and as someone who's involved and you know, 954 01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:49,840 in the crossairs, so to speak, because I'm a plaintiff in a major 955 01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:55,000 free speech case and i've I'm probably among the plaintiffs, the one who's written 956 01:26:55,079 --> 01:27:01,720 and published most about Missouri b Biden that some things restarted again after you took 957 01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:08,079 over. I don't know why. I don't know if it's human or machine 958 01:27:08,159 --> 01:27:13,680 learning based, but I'm really keen to get at the bottom of it, 959 01:27:14,399 --> 01:27:17,199 and you know, happy to talk to you offline if that would be helpful 960 01:27:17,319 --> 01:27:20,920 to try to give you a sense of my own experience on the platform. 961 01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:32,920 Okay, yeah, I'm looking at your car right now. So okay, 962 01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:44,079 So one of the changes we're making that should go live soon is in the 963 01:27:44,159 --> 01:27:50,159 recommended to you were over. We're WCE and I think a lot of people 964 01:27:50,199 --> 01:27:56,279 may have noticed this. Often there would be from accounts that you follow, 965 01:27:57,279 --> 01:28:02,319 I don't interact with, you would see almost no content accounts that you follow 966 01:28:02,399 --> 01:28:09,000 but don't interact with. That's because we that's because we over we overweighted interaction, 967 01:28:11,199 --> 01:28:15,720 interpreting interaction as well. You like, you like, liking or flying 968 01:28:15,279 --> 01:28:18,279 to an account, and so we're going to show you a whole bunch more 969 01:28:18,359 --> 01:28:25,640 stuff that you you interact with. And but but but but there are a 970 01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:30,119 lot of accounts that who will follow that they don't interact with. They follow 971 01:28:30,199 --> 01:28:35,239 that account for just to learn things. In fact, for a lot of 972 01:28:35,399 --> 01:28:43,720 publications they will follow say a magazine or or newsormalization, not with the interesting, 973 01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:45,239 not not with the idea of commenting or liking or anything, but just 974 01:28:45,319 --> 01:28:51,159 because they wish to see upward from that news organization from that person. And 975 01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:59,720 so we're just in the algorithm actually to include on more of things that you 976 01:29:00,039 --> 01:29:05,479 all of it don't interact with. That should help. And that actually is 977 01:29:06,199 --> 01:29:12,960 like for some for some content where people perhaps afraid to comment on it because 978 01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:19,760 you know that this may be a medical, spicy content where if somebody doesn't 979 01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:26,640 want to say anything because they're they're afraid that they may be judged by saying 980 01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:30,079 something. Will like you for the thing, right, so that I think 981 01:29:30,159 --> 01:29:39,399 that should help. So I think just sort of like, if we're not 982 01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:41,720 seeing I proven in the next week, week or two, just lett me 983 01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:45,720 know, because this should go a live I think probably next week. It's 984 01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:48,319 certainly not more than two weeks from now, and that should help a lot 985 01:29:48,359 --> 01:29:56,800 of accounts that we'll say interesting things, but where people don't turn often interact. 986 01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:00,560 That makes sense. Yeah, thank you, that's helpful to know. 987 01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:05,039 I'll keep an eye on things. Thanks. Think we'll go to your boys 988 01:30:05,119 --> 01:30:13,560 doppel ganger next that apparently Alex Jones thinks, is you to prove Alex Jones 989 01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:16,920 thinks this Yeah, this is part two. You've met me at least three 990 01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:23,520 times. You're about to dive laughter, aren't you. It's me again? 991 01:30:24,159 --> 01:30:29,000 Yeah, this is this is part three. That's what. There's nothing, 992 01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:31,880 honestly, there's nothing better than to hear you loft as much like I can 993 01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:35,079 only imagine they're kind of stressed around there. Yeah, yeah, dude, 994 01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:40,279 for the past couple of weeks, I've been I basically, oh god, 995 01:30:40,359 --> 01:30:55,439 I count this. There's eight billion people on Earth. Yeah, there's someone 996 01:30:55,479 --> 01:31:00,359 who sounds like you so much, and you are that person. Yes, 997 01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:05,000 it gets worse, It gets worse, It gets so much worse, it 998 01:31:05,119 --> 01:31:11,319 gets so much worse. I don't believe you're about me. Yeah, that's 999 01:31:11,359 --> 01:31:15,239 the theory. That's the theory people think. People think I'm legitimately or a 1000 01:31:15,279 --> 01:31:18,439 clone. There's been theories that that I'm one of your neuralink experiments. Can 1001 01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:21,560 you like clarify that I'm not one of your neuralink experiments? Or maybe I 1002 01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:27,239 am and I wouldn't realize it. Okay, because that touch vast. How 1003 01:31:27,279 --> 01:31:34,199 are your monkeys? How are your that was a test subject. Well. 1004 01:31:34,239 --> 01:31:36,920 The weird thing is you even asked questions in the way that I would ask 1005 01:31:38,039 --> 01:31:47,680 questions autism, why someone's sense of humor? It's eerie. Yeah, And 1006 01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:56,560 I still remember the first time. Oh god, I still remember the first 1007 01:31:56,640 --> 01:32:00,880 time. I still remember the first time when I the first time I found 1008 01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:05,279 out about you was actually in early twenty sixteen, and this is when I 1009 01:32:05,359 --> 01:32:11,159 watched SpaceX Rockets rocket Engine experimentations on YouTube. I was like, Man, 1010 01:32:11,239 --> 01:32:13,840 this is the cool I've ever seen. It's going to be acting all day 1011 01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,199 and a significant other actually showed me a video clip of you and said, 1012 01:32:16,199 --> 01:32:18,560 hey, bra, this guy sounds like an older version of view. I'm 1013 01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:20,880 like, what do you talk about here? This guy look at me's talking 1014 01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:26,359 about hydrogen. What do you mean he's talking about hydrogen. I listened to 1015 01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:29,640 this and I was like, what is going on? So this is the 1016 01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:32,960 first time I realized that something's up quite right with this world. Probably is 1017 01:32:33,039 --> 01:32:35,760 like a bug in the simulation, And even if there was one, I'm 1018 01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:40,520 pretty sure I cause a lot of disruption recently. As I'm as I'm sure 1019 01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:44,079 you're aware, there's a mass meltdown. There's like an account that's doing rage 1020 01:32:44,119 --> 01:32:48,319 farming, so like it's so good. Like these people, what they've done 1021 01:32:48,399 --> 01:32:53,560 is they're trying to pin on you that you've suspended an account because a targeted 1022 01:32:54,039 --> 01:32:57,680 A did target harassment, but was not suspended. They actually deactivated their account. 1023 01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:00,399 Now I tried to do rage farm me. Now they're going to read 1024 01:33:00,399 --> 01:33:02,239 it on the news everywhere. Be like, dude, I'm complimenting yourself. 1025 01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:06,560 It's like the stupidest thing I've ever seen. I was gonna let it happen, 1026 01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:10,319 but then I said, you know what, I don't want I don't 1027 01:33:10,359 --> 01:33:15,760 want I don't want a Thermo. I don't want thermo nuclear warfare just yet. 1028 01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:19,239 For me. I like that. I'm not gonna have that this ever 1029 01:33:19,319 --> 01:33:23,199 since yesterday, Eve though, I do diabol series everything. It's all over 1030 01:33:23,239 --> 01:33:28,600 the place. It's inescapable now, it's it's so weird, it's it's terrible. 1031 01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:34,000 I like a uniquely gazed like. I mean, I'll get pictures with 1032 01:33:34,079 --> 01:33:38,279 you, like, what do you look like? I've seen, I've seen, 1033 01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:44,640 I've seen Adrian. He could he could be twin. I mean I 1034 01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:49,479 couldn't. I could d M you, dude, Dude, I could d 1035 01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:54,159 M you. If you enable enable access, I'll tell you everything you need 1036 01:33:54,199 --> 01:33:58,880 to know five minutes. I'll tell you everything, if you're interested, if 1037 01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:02,600 you're interested. With you guys revealing each other, that would be pretty fun. 1038 01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:08,359 Oh god, yes, we should also get that guy from China. 1039 01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:11,840 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been thinking about this guy. That would 1040 01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:14,640 be the weirdest thing ever. That's the Holy Trifactor, you know, the 1041 01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:23,199 Holy Trinity for three of you. Yeah. I don't know is that guy 1042 01:34:23,359 --> 01:34:27,600 real? Because that guy, I'm not sure. Maybe maybe he has had 1043 01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:31,560 some facial modifications. He looks strikingly real, I would say, I mean 1044 01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:35,920 he fakes maybe because the resolution is kind of ship. But I don't know, 1045 01:34:36,199 --> 01:34:40,039 you know, I don't know that there are vary as many say, 1046 01:34:40,119 --> 01:34:42,680 say Elvis, Elvis in person, I was out there right and they would 1047 01:34:43,079 --> 01:34:46,479 modify their facial structure to look like him. So I think maybe we're seeing 1048 01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:49,800 a similar case. I mean, they're they're really advanced down there in China, 1049 01:34:50,079 --> 01:34:54,439 especially in the medical field. So like maybe, I don't know, 1050 01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:57,439 it would be really good trol, good for propaganda too. I would do 1051 01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:00,760 it. Oh boy, you guys. Yeah, yeah that, I mean, 1052 01:35:02,119 --> 01:35:05,000 that would really people out. Yeah, I mean it's perfect too. 1053 01:35:05,159 --> 01:35:10,760 But yeah, I mean, I mean it's one work pavillion people that try 1054 01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:12,880 it. If you take the person and try that looks most like me, 1055 01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:17,800 it probably looks pretty close. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, 1056 01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:21,479 honestly, I have to have to say, just like to get this out 1057 01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:25,199 of the out of the gate, I really enjoy this platform. I honestly 1058 01:35:25,239 --> 01:35:27,720 don't understand why a lot of people complain about it. I feel like it's 1059 01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:30,840 about how you use it and what to use it for. Like it may 1060 01:35:31,239 --> 01:35:35,039 I use basically every feature on the platform except for of course, community notes, 1061 01:35:35,079 --> 01:35:38,159 and you know some of the newer features like articles and such. I 1062 01:35:38,199 --> 01:35:41,319 don't have access to that, and I have to. I mean I do 1063 01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:45,920 a spaces practically eight hours a day, three times a week. I do 1064 01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:47,840 yeah, yeah, all the time, all the time. It's nice. 1065 01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:51,800 I like to use it for information gathering and dissemination. It's like, imagine 1066 01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:56,720 your brain like a like a machine learning algorithm. You just need a lot 1067 01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:59,560 of data and then you need to curate out of the noise of value. 1068 01:36:00,119 --> 01:36:01,880 You find the diamonds in the rough. That's essentially what I do. And 1069 01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:04,840 I do this quite a lot. That's amazing. We find cool stuff out. 1070 01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:10,000 We coverlet of the then we covered your earning school. Your mother was 1071 01:36:10,039 --> 01:36:14,600 in there, and that was so weird. W wait, talk you talk 1072 01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:16,680 to my What do my mom think? I have no idea. She was 1073 01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:19,359 just listening there, just just sitting and we were having a discussion of the 1074 01:36:19,399 --> 01:36:23,800 inning school. She was just sitting in there. She didn't hear me much 1075 01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:27,079 because I didn't want to interrupt in the conversation. And also I was scared 1076 01:36:27,119 --> 01:36:32,439 shirtless. No, I was really going to trip out my mom. Oh 1077 01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:43,479 yeah, oh yeah, I mean sure, how's a how's your kid doing? 1078 01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:49,279 I hear he's a little active in the background. There, did do 1079 01:36:49,359 --> 01:36:54,439 it? Fine? Yeah, I'll just I'll just text my mom's away. 1080 01:36:56,000 --> 01:37:02,800 This would be the greatest thing ever if you write your mother in. I 1081 01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:11,239 mean, I have to be he said, I that's a Hello World because 1082 01:37:11,239 --> 01:37:18,159 I have a simulation Adrian Dippman. Catherine's trying to speak, but you are 1083 01:37:18,399 --> 01:37:27,840 the loudest person on stage, my friend, that's my design. I have 1084 01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:33,760 a terrible microphone. It's cool. I don't know. But Elon Junior over 1085 01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:39,720 there be quiet for Catherine. Thank you, Sarah. This is why Sarah's 1086 01:37:40,279 --> 01:37:43,239 you know Loyle. She makes fun of me, she bullies me, but 1087 01:37:43,359 --> 01:37:46,960 she has my back, which I but Elon just said that that's my free 1088 01:37:47,039 --> 01:37:50,000 speech and I can bully you if I want, as long as it's legal. 1089 01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:57,479 Did you say that. Yeah, i'd specifically say bully, but I 1090 01:37:57,560 --> 01:38:06,439 guess technically that just the records of space speed space for Mayne. Well, 1091 01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:10,520 I know Nora has a question, So well, let's go to Nora and 1092 01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:15,880 then hopefully your mom can join and hear. You're doppelganger. You're twenty, 1093 01:38:15,359 --> 01:38:20,960 you're young, doppelganger. I mean is it tripping everyone else? This is 1094 01:38:21,079 --> 01:38:26,840 really funny, trips literally everyone else on the platform out. It's so weird 1095 01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:30,960 awkward, I'm gonna get all aerious again. Well, I actually wanted to 1096 01:38:30,039 --> 01:38:33,880 ask about the Starship launch because I just read an article that came out saying 1097 01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:40,319 that they're looking at Cape Canaveral as a potential uh location for the Starship launch. 1098 01:38:40,399 --> 01:38:44,399 And I know, since they do an environmental impact assessment and blah blah 1099 01:38:44,399 --> 01:38:47,760 blah and public comment because it's that's the government for you, that that happens 1100 01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:51,840 in March. But do you have any idea or like, any plans do 1101 01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:58,800 you think or estimation of one a potential launch date would be, and are 1102 01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:00,720 you excited, like do you have hopes for the mission? And do you 1103 01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:12,319 feel like we're a lot closer to getting to Mars. Yeah, I think 1104 01:39:12,359 --> 01:39:14,760 we've I don't want to drink it, which have faith here, but I 1105 01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:21,640 think the probability of reaching all of it is good eighty percent with this third 1106 01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:29,680 flight. It's certainly the third flight is a much better rocket than flights one 1107 01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:38,479 or two, so you know, but there's always you can't have too much 1108 01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:44,399 luck in a rugged launch. But we're getting ready three Flight three probably about 1109 01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:54,079 so I think probably I guess the second week of watch normally it's like Watch 1110 01:39:54,159 --> 01:39:57,600 eight. We're trying to get it to be throtter than Watch eight. But 1111 01:39:57,800 --> 01:40:00,640 so my guess has happened sometimes at some point in the first half of next 1112 01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:09,880 month, and then flight four is ready shortly thereafter. So the operation of 1113 01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:13,199 the how does that affect the probability of success? Like in your opinion or 1114 01:40:13,279 --> 01:40:15,279 what? What is it about? You know, having a different location that 1115 01:40:15,479 --> 01:40:23,079 may you know, help with the outcome. But well, it's as two 1116 01:40:23,159 --> 01:40:27,439 things. That's uh, there's flight three, which is got hundreds of improvements 1117 01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:30,560 from flight two that just increased the probably success of flight three. But but 1118 01:40:31,560 --> 01:40:35,880 we and we will establish a second launch sided Cake Narvel. It's not to 1119 01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:44,479 the conclusion of Starbase in South Texas, but it's in addition to so we're 1120 01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:49,960 gonna be launching a lot ideally wrong both Cake Canaveral and from South Texas. 1121 01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:55,239 And we may at some point look at having a probably will at some point 1122 01:40:55,479 --> 01:41:00,880 at having a third. Let's go to you. How's your responded to the 1123 01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:03,359 text? Now that like, can we get back to not being serious? 1124 01:41:04,479 --> 01:41:12,159 Oh? I sent you yeah, I sent you an image of myself, 1125 01:41:12,199 --> 01:41:14,800 so what I look like. Obviously, don't shout that around. I don't. 1126 01:41:15,159 --> 01:41:19,199 I don't quite want that heat yet. It's like a there's a lot 1127 01:41:19,239 --> 01:41:24,640 of things that would happen. Okay, well you don't. Okay, we 1128 01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:28,960 don't. Don't we don't look exactly the same, no, no, no, 1129 01:41:29,079 --> 01:41:35,800 no. Yeah, you look different from me, yes, different different. 1130 01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:39,319 It's kind of like a kind of like almost an opposite thing. This 1131 01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:42,680 is a relatively older photo. I take a photo of myself now, but 1132 01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:45,159 I look kind of fucked up. I just came out of so I do 1133 01:41:45,319 --> 01:41:50,439 actually do similar things a manufacturer type of product, and you know, I 1134 01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:55,439 did some stuff, so I look really fucked up. I got all kinds 1135 01:41:55,439 --> 01:41:58,920 of machine stuff over me, you know, oils and shit. So definitely 1136 01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:03,960 not a pretty sight. Yeah, that was sweaty as fuck. So I 1137 01:42:04,079 --> 01:42:10,600 have an ex employee here. That's one confirmation. I have an ex employee 1138 01:42:10,640 --> 01:42:15,800 here by the name of he's an influencer on the app. He goes by 1139 01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:19,119 Cattlebell Dan. He might be familiar with him. I think he has a 1140 01:42:19,199 --> 01:42:24,880 question. Hey Catherine, Yeah, thanks, great job hosting this one, 1141 01:42:25,079 --> 01:42:28,279 and good luck on your book. Hey, Elon. You know, first 1142 01:42:28,319 --> 01:42:32,000 of all, I love these conversations. I wish more politicians and notable figures 1143 01:42:32,039 --> 01:42:35,640 would use spaces in this way. It feels like a very casual conversation, 1144 01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:39,720 even though there's you know, tens of thousands people in the room listening. 1145 01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:44,479 My question for you. You recommended the culture series that people read that by 1146 01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:48,079 Ian Banks. Yeah, yeah, and I started it in on it and 1147 01:42:48,159 --> 01:42:54,439 I'm curious, like you talk a lot about expanding the scope of humanity, 1148 01:42:55,319 --> 01:42:58,199 you know, the to the reaches of the universe, and you know, 1149 01:42:58,319 --> 01:43:00,039 in his book, he really paints a picture of you know, there's trillions 1150 01:43:00,079 --> 01:43:04,159 of people across the galaxy, and I think that's maybe a driver for a 1151 01:43:04,199 --> 01:43:08,880 lot of the technology that he describes in the book. I'm curious that that's 1152 01:43:09,319 --> 01:43:14,199 influenced the way you think about expanding the scope of reality, and also how 1153 01:43:14,239 --> 01:43:16,439 you would tie that into having children. I have five kids, I know 1154 01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:19,520 them behind you, But you talk a lot about encouraging people to have kids. 1155 01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:25,720 We can't populate the universe if we stop populating, So I'm curious about 1156 01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:32,399 yeah, exactly, Uh, yeah, I mean, I mean I saw 1157 01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:39,239 spasics long before reading any of the Bags novels. So but I've always been 1158 01:43:39,279 --> 01:43:45,720 interested in sci fi, and uh, like the Foundation series by as a 1159 01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:54,159 law No fine lend the only the great sci fi with this, I've read 1160 01:43:54,199 --> 01:44:00,239 even pretty obscure sci fi. So I think Banks is some of the best. 1161 01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:04,479 I think it might be the best actually ever in sci fi opinion. 1162 01:44:06,319 --> 01:44:10,640 In fact of the STUFFE Rights is so good that I sort of wonder is 1163 01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:15,279 he like some AI in the simulation? But then unfortunately he had died before 1164 01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:24,399 I was able to try to reach out, because the sophistication of the sci 1165 01:44:24,520 --> 01:44:34,239 fi Rights is superhuman. So but but yeah, I mean, I certainly 1166 01:44:34,319 --> 01:44:40,840 think that we want to be a civilization that expands to the rest of the 1167 01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:45,159 Solar System, ultimately to the rest of the galaxy. I we should expand 1168 01:44:45,239 --> 01:44:49,800 the That's just sort of the foundation of my philosophy is expansion of the Scobel 1169 01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:55,439 and scale consciousness such that we are better able to understand the nature of reality, 1170 01:44:55,520 --> 01:45:00,600 understand the ear books. That's uh, that's what what it makes mean. 1171 01:45:02,439 --> 01:45:08,399 You speak a lot about the simulation, as do I My fascination with 1172 01:45:08,520 --> 01:45:12,960 it, like why why do you always say that this person maybe not the 1173 01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:15,039 AI in the simulation. You even said this to yourself in Grock, you 1174 01:45:15,119 --> 01:45:18,560 know, spout out a hallucination about what I do, and it said that 1175 01:45:18,640 --> 01:45:23,439 I'm your Twitter some kind You said, what if we're just two ais in 1176 01:45:23,479 --> 01:45:30,000 the simulation? What do you mean with that? There must be deeper meaning? 1177 01:45:30,119 --> 01:45:34,960 What does this mean to you? Well, simulation theory is a deep 1178 01:45:35,039 --> 01:45:47,720 rabbit lull? Oh yeah, the I mean the best argment for we're in 1179 01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:50,359 a simulation. I would say we are in a simulation. But one just 1180 01:45:50,399 --> 01:45:58,840 think that things in terms of probabilities. I think the thing that is most 1181 01:45:58,920 --> 01:46:06,399 persuasive in considering the probability that we are you know simulation is the advancement of 1182 01:46:06,479 --> 01:46:12,800 video games. The video games went from being something like long which is like 1183 01:46:13,199 --> 01:46:17,720 just two rectangles of square, very remittive graphics, not that long ago, 1184 01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:29,600 only like fifty years ago, fifty five six years ago there about. You 1185 01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:32,279 know, in our lifetime, I saw I saw video games go from firstly, 1186 01:46:32,319 --> 01:46:42,800 I saw go from very primative square's rectangles to what are realistic video games 1187 01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:49,680 that have millions of people playing civilta. And that's in you know, for 1188 01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:55,399 when I was like five years old of today. So then where will Winter 1189 01:46:55,479 --> 01:47:00,720 games be in the future, they will be instingishable for reality, and you'll 1190 01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:03,479 be able to render video games at a resolution other than your eyes can comprehend. 1191 01:47:05,560 --> 01:47:14,439 And if you extrapolate neural interfacements as well, then eventually you'll be able 1192 01:47:14,439 --> 01:47:24,880 to have simulated entire reality all senses, touch, smell everything. Yeah, 1193 01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:31,399 all the memories, all your memories are electrical segments when you smell something, 1194 01:47:32,319 --> 01:47:41,479 even though sense maybe a risceral and exactly electrical signals going to your range neuron 1195 01:47:42,279 --> 01:47:51,960 digital digital neuron pulses. So then what are the odds that we're like, 1196 01:47:54,279 --> 01:47:57,920 like, what are the odds that were in based reality instead of somebody's video 1197 01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:01,760 game? Given that there will be in the future, but like if if 1198 01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:06,079 civilization continues to advance, there will be billions fast more than billion, maybe 1199 01:48:06,159 --> 01:48:16,800 trillions uh video game instances. Maybe it's video games all the way down like 1200 01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:26,920 turtles actually to aventually you have a one bit simulation. Yeah, h like 1201 01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:32,560 like vox souls almost right, Well, it takes a more complex thing to 1202 01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:40,439 simulate another thing, So I think you sort of have an a tropic boundary 1203 01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:45,560 or notmation that you can always simulate something with something that's that's more complex. 1204 01:48:46,119 --> 01:48:50,760 Step four. Simulations will get less complex as they if you have a series 1205 01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:59,079 of nasted simulations. So eventually the simulation is just one bit. Let's get 1206 01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:04,039 one M and so what what do you think? What do you think it's 1207 01:49:04,079 --> 01:49:17,279 purposes? Well, its purpose could be we say, like what what? 1208 01:49:17,479 --> 01:49:20,560 Why why do people play video games? I guess if they video games so 1209 01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:27,960 fun? And why do people watch we raise t TV series? Just you 1210 01:49:28,039 --> 01:49:31,000 know that they wish to be entertained? You know? Why do you run 1211 01:49:31,039 --> 01:49:35,119 simulations? Do you write simulations to see what would happen? Not because you 1212 01:49:35,199 --> 01:49:40,520 know what would happen, but you're uncertain, like like in our reality, 1213 01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:45,680 we run simulations all the time, you know it. Spacexual run many many 1214 01:49:45,720 --> 01:49:53,600 simulations, millions of simulations of rocket flights and adjust the parameters doing a want 1215 01:49:53,640 --> 01:49:59,760 to call a simulation where you're just given a wide range of input parameters and 1216 01:50:00,239 --> 01:50:05,840 environmental circumstances, and you run millions of simulations to see which all designations will 1217 01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:12,000 succeed, which will bail. So we run simulations not because we know what 1218 01:50:12,039 --> 01:50:17,520 will happen, because we don't know what. So I think, so long 1219 01:50:17,560 --> 01:50:21,560 as the simulation is interesting, if we aren't a simulation, as long as 1220 01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:25,800 it's the simulation is interesting to the creators, the similation that will contain here. 1221 01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:38,760 So I think what that applies is just start be boring. Hey, 1222 01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:43,079 Kat, your Mike's pretty quiet. Yeah, having issues with this, but 1223 01:50:43,399 --> 01:50:45,199 let's just go to you and then it's all good. We can hear you, 1224 01:50:47,199 --> 01:50:50,600 Elon. I have two questions for you. One not so serious. 1225 01:50:50,680 --> 01:50:56,479 I asked this question to Linda actually in a space three months ago, and 1226 01:50:56,560 --> 01:51:00,159 I thought she nailed it. So my first question is, is a hot 1227 01:51:00,199 --> 01:51:17,439 dog a sandwich? No? This isn't If you asked someone for a sandwich 1228 01:51:17,479 --> 01:51:20,199 and added to a hot dog and be like, wait a second, just 1229 01:51:20,239 --> 01:51:24,640 gave me a hot dog, like I would say it's not a sandwich because 1230 01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:30,600 it would not meet expectations of ordering a sandwich. Now that's evacuate. Well 1231 01:51:30,680 --> 01:51:34,479 that's what Linda said too, So I mean, anyone who thinks the hot 1232 01:51:34,520 --> 01:51:42,720 dog is a sandwich, you're tripping. Yeah, we didn't like that. 1233 01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:46,000 Think in that Silicon Valley show which says like hot dog or not hot dog? 1234 01:51:47,439 --> 01:51:51,039 So that show's quite funny. Mike, Mike, Judge Colaba a sure 1235 01:51:51,119 --> 01:52:00,640 on silver. The another question, do you have any updates on on the 1236 01:52:00,640 --> 01:52:10,479 the neurally patient. Yeah, I'm not. I don't want to use this 1237 01:52:11,119 --> 01:52:20,039 to sort of break break major news on on thatvers good PRIVERS is good patients 1238 01:52:20,039 --> 01:52:29,399 seems to be a for recovery with noural effects that we're aware of and is 1239 01:52:29,479 --> 01:52:33,800 able to control the mouse were the mouse around the screen just by thinking. 1240 01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:45,800 So we're we're trying to get as many button presses as possible from thinking. 1241 01:52:45,520 --> 01:52:49,479 So that's what we're carding working on. Is you know, can you get 1242 01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:55,439 left mouse right mouse like mouse down, mouse up mouse, Yeah, that 1243 01:52:55,560 --> 01:53:00,319 mouse some left button down, that button up, which is the kind of 1244 01:53:00,359 --> 01:53:02,600 needed like you want to like sick and drag something, you need the mouse 1245 01:53:02,640 --> 01:53:08,159 down and to hold on mouse down and then then so you never want to 1246 01:53:08,159 --> 01:53:15,840 have just two buttons. So so we're trying to try to progres on left 1247 01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:21,760 front. But overall it's a good Let's go to a question for Na Shaw 1248 01:53:25,039 --> 01:53:29,920 on nice to be speaking with you. Uh, I actually have a question 1249 01:53:30,119 --> 01:53:35,560 kind of going back to AI images and AI video. I've seen them, 1250 01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:41,640 like other social apps, them integrating more tools for creators will kind of supplement 1251 01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:45,800 what they're doing using AI and I know that ACTS is kind of rolling out 1252 01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:49,880 a lot of features that are helpful to content creators, like articles, which 1253 01:53:49,880 --> 01:53:55,840 I'm very excited about. I'm wondering if you and you know EX overall have 1254 01:53:56,000 --> 01:54:01,079 thought about kind of developing features within ACTS, maybe via rock for a generative 1255 01:54:01,239 --> 01:54:08,640 AI image in video creation, or possibly partnering I'm at not with open AI, 1256 01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:13,000 but maybe something like mid Journey to make it easier for kind of artists 1257 01:54:13,039 --> 01:54:21,119 and creators that leverage AI to kind of enhance their content on X. We 1258 01:54:21,239 --> 01:54:25,720 are in some interesting discussions with my Journey and and something may come with that. 1259 01:54:27,039 --> 01:54:29,960 But either way, one way or not that we will enable a odd 1260 01:54:30,039 --> 01:54:36,560 generation on the awesome Thank you, And I mean I think it'd be really 1261 01:54:36,600 --> 01:54:42,199 grateful for memes, you know, if you can distort of like whip up 1262 01:54:43,800 --> 01:54:45,600 an original meme. Well that's why I do. I want to hear a 1263 01:54:45,680 --> 01:54:49,079 reply, guys, Elon, and I put plenty of turtle memes in your 1264 01:54:49,239 --> 01:54:55,479 eyes here. You end up like, all right, it sounds good? 1265 01:54:55,840 --> 01:55:03,960 Is this? Do you have a favorite meme? Elon? Uh? Is 1266 01:55:04,039 --> 01:55:13,319 that it? It's a lot to pick a favorite. Actually, I think 1267 01:55:13,359 --> 01:55:16,640 I cannot pick a favorite without incriminating myself. Okay, fair enough, I'll 1268 01:55:16,720 --> 01:55:24,119 let I'll let that one slide. I think Love has a all right, 1269 01:55:24,199 --> 01:55:26,960 let's go to Love and then Sarah, and then we'll see where we're at. 1270 01:55:28,039 --> 01:55:30,760 I like all the Elon memes. You don't like all the Elon memes? 1271 01:55:30,840 --> 01:55:35,960 Elon, Well, I like them all. I guess someone, we're 1272 01:55:35,960 --> 01:55:49,279 pretty funny. I mean I am become mean. To paraphrase, look at 1273 01:55:49,319 --> 01:55:53,479 it. You know the man? What does it feel like to be a 1274 01:55:53,600 --> 01:56:10,680 meme? Surreal? Catherine will know tomorrow when I mean this entire space. 1275 01:56:11,319 --> 01:56:15,199 Don't you worry, girl, I am very worried to there you work. 1276 01:56:16,760 --> 01:56:23,439 It's a me, me me, It's a me mean all right, Love, 1277 01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:29,680 do you have a question? Yeah? Bath midting conversation tonight, folks, 1278 01:56:30,399 --> 01:56:36,600 A couple of questions? Uh? Elon funny enough. I actually served 1279 01:56:38,479 --> 01:56:45,199 as a staffer in the front office of the GEC Global Engagement Center May twenty 1280 01:56:45,640 --> 01:56:48,680 one to May twenty twenty two. I thought the timing was important. I 1281 01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:56,159 actually left because I was you know, one of the one of the main 1282 01:56:56,159 --> 01:57:00,560 reasons why why I had left the GAK was because of all that was happening 1283 01:57:00,640 --> 01:57:06,199 was X so if I can do that. Yeah, but yeah, A 1284 01:57:06,279 --> 01:57:12,479 couple of unrelated questions to that, not on this space. What do you 1285 01:57:12,520 --> 01:57:17,800 think about the idea of profiles having to disclose whether they're being paid to post 1286 01:57:17,920 --> 01:57:24,439 content on behalf of a particular candidate or political campaign. So you know, 1287 01:57:24,520 --> 01:57:30,600 there's like a ton of X accounts that may or may not have been paid 1288 01:57:30,640 --> 01:57:35,239 by the campaign or like Trump campaign or the Ramaswami campaign. Do you think 1289 01:57:35,680 --> 01:57:42,439 it would be a good idea for the for like those influencers having to disclose 1290 01:57:42,479 --> 01:57:47,760 that they're being paid you know, so people no motive, Well, isn't 1291 01:57:47,880 --> 01:58:00,359 that a legal requirement? I'm talking about like on X, Like I think 1292 01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:05,920 if you to you know, promotes political campaign, that would count as a 1293 01:58:05,960 --> 01:58:10,960 political donation. I am not sure of the nation of the law here. 1294 01:58:12,279 --> 01:58:15,279 It's obviously a very difficult plus to know whether, right. Yeah, Uh, 1295 01:58:15,800 --> 01:58:18,800 the implementation of that is obviously would obviously be difficult. But I just 1296 01:58:18,920 --> 01:58:24,079 kind of wanted to bring that up because I think it would definitely do do 1297 01:58:24,199 --> 01:58:30,239 well for transparency on the platform if there is some way to verify whether a 1298 01:58:30,319 --> 01:58:34,560 post you know, is meant to inform was a great motive and for free 1299 01:58:34,600 --> 01:58:39,199 speech or whether a post is meant to like, you know, deceive and 1300 01:58:40,199 --> 01:58:45,960 it is basically an advertisement for a certain political candidate. I think that that 1301 01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:49,319 would be great. And yeah, I did want to connect about the gap. 1302 01:58:50,239 --> 01:58:54,720 Do you could you put me in the right direction as to how I 1303 01:58:54,760 --> 01:59:01,520 can connect with some folks about my experience there off the space? Yeah? 1304 01:59:01,520 --> 01:59:10,520 Absolutely? Why are you apply to this conversation and to cats count? And 1305 01:59:11,920 --> 01:59:15,399 because I'd be curious? Is I mean, what I saw from the Twitter 1306 01:59:15,479 --> 01:59:18,640 files was the Global Engagement Center, which most people have never heard of. 1307 01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:27,239 It was arguably the number one in terms of certainly from a quantity standpoint, 1308 01:59:27,319 --> 01:59:32,359 in terms of how many accounts they wanted suspended or the amplified. I think 1309 01:59:32,600 --> 01:59:39,119 might have been like number one out of out of all organizations. So that's 1310 01:59:39,800 --> 01:59:45,199 definitely concerning. And I was at a friend's birthday party of some people are 1311 01:59:45,199 --> 01:59:49,000 extremely well read, you know, and some response to people in the world, 1312 01:59:49,039 --> 01:59:51,800 and they've never heard of Global Engagement Center. I was like the ads 1313 01:59:51,840 --> 01:59:59,920 in the state caub you know, and you know, I think it's proba, 1314 02:00:00,319 --> 02:00:06,239 it's not good like which is necessarily yeah, it was. I think 1315 02:00:06,239 --> 02:00:10,680 it was created tended like stop and rushing this information, but I think it's 1316 02:00:10,720 --> 02:00:16,680 gone beyond that mandate is what I can see. Great, let's go to 1317 02:00:17,319 --> 02:00:21,720 Sphinx and I don't know, Elon, do you have much time left or 1318 02:00:21,800 --> 02:00:28,680 do you want to start wrapping this up? Yeah? I think maybe another 1319 02:00:28,800 --> 02:00:34,000 five, So let's go to Sphins. Thank you, Kat. What's up, 1320 02:00:34,079 --> 02:00:42,239 Eylan? How's it hanging good? It's not good? I wanted to 1321 02:00:43,920 --> 02:00:51,520 That wasn't my question. But yeah, what I'm concerned about or interested about 1322 02:00:51,720 --> 02:01:01,520 what you think might need some ideas that X could do to continue to combat 1323 02:01:01,680 --> 02:01:09,399 this doxing and harassment that goes on online. And I just want to explain 1324 02:01:09,600 --> 02:01:16,000 one example of harassment, which is people, for instance, writing very derogatory 1325 02:01:16,159 --> 02:01:23,359 things like the N word, but putting a putting spaces in between them, 1326 02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:29,319 right, So that sort of thing is getting past, is getting through the 1327 02:01:29,960 --> 02:01:35,239 system. And then also it seems like people are opiately doxing others and they 1328 02:01:35,359 --> 02:01:40,319 just don't get nothing happen. So what is there as a user we can 1329 02:01:40,439 --> 02:01:45,880 do and what can the platform do? And I know that you have you 1330 02:01:45,000 --> 02:01:49,600 guys are hiring more people in trust in safety, so I appreciate that, 1331 02:01:49,800 --> 02:01:57,239 but those are my questions. Thank you so much. Yeah, well, 1332 02:01:57,359 --> 02:02:03,079 reduction is definitely because it can have a spreading speech, so it counts what 1333 02:02:03,199 --> 02:02:08,720 we suspended for docing. And I think that's revealing the real neighborhind account, 1334 02:02:08,760 --> 02:02:15,880 not just just theraphystical address. And so you know, I guess that that 1335 02:02:15,000 --> 02:02:18,760 doctioning is are strictly speaking illegal, but it is it is impeded upon freedom 1336 02:02:18,800 --> 02:02:24,119 of speech. If if there's a lot of people, if they if they 1337 02:02:24,159 --> 02:02:29,680 say something, they may get you know, fired or ostracized. And so 1338 02:02:30,760 --> 02:02:38,560 I think there is value to having a nom de plume. And and I 1339 02:02:38,680 --> 02:02:44,199 think that actually want balance does want to improve freedom of speech than harmit. 1340 02:02:46,079 --> 02:02:49,800 You will have the outside, of course that people can then anonymously you know, 1341 02:02:51,000 --> 02:02:57,000 said derogatory things and whatnot. But uh, I think all things considered, 1342 02:02:57,119 --> 02:03:02,600 you do want to protect it fouls from duxton and and you know, 1343 02:03:02,920 --> 02:03:05,840 so that's that's I think. I think that's right. We're four prong speech. 1344 02:03:09,680 --> 02:03:15,760 Uh. Yeah, for moderation, I said, we are trying to 1345 02:03:15,840 --> 02:03:23,279 hear as as law as possible. I just generally tried to go on the 1346 02:03:23,319 --> 02:03:27,039 side, you know, on the side of print speech. So if there's 1347 02:03:27,359 --> 02:03:30,800 a version of like, should should the speech if we're if if it's borderline, 1348 02:03:31,000 --> 02:03:34,439 should the speech be allowed aloud? We're gonna on the side of allowing 1349 02:03:34,479 --> 02:03:45,439 it. I think that's right where and and like I said earlier, although 1350 02:03:45,439 --> 02:03:51,560 it's so sound esoteric, a lot of people, I want to try to 1351 02:03:51,600 --> 02:03:58,239 do at a high levels the sickle floise of the collective consciousness and the bad 1352 02:03:58,800 --> 02:04:03,319 the bandwidth and the same. It's like more single less noise to create it 1353 02:04:03,479 --> 02:04:12,199 effectively, to create more effective a better group. Mind, are We're already 1354 02:04:12,239 --> 02:04:17,399 at collective consciousness. It's just I think there's merit improving the the quality of 1355 02:04:17,640 --> 02:04:24,520 the of that that good mind, Thank you. I just really quick follow 1356 02:04:24,560 --> 02:04:28,760 if I wanted to ask, is there anything that the user that we can 1357 02:04:28,880 --> 02:04:34,039 do when someone is dogsed and by dockst we name address support documents that kind 1358 02:04:34,079 --> 02:04:39,039 of thing, really docks uh, is there anything the user can do to 1359 02:04:39,159 --> 02:04:43,359 help the platform to work with the platform. I'm very familiar with the terms 1360 02:04:43,439 --> 02:04:47,119 of the service of this platform, and I'm just wondering what we can do 1361 02:04:47,239 --> 02:04:58,880 instead of just asking you know X to solve this problem. Well, we 1362 02:04:59,520 --> 02:05:04,800 take dogs very seriously. So if you see docs all if it's not being 1363 02:05:04,880 --> 02:05:10,119 reported and I try to add me or something. I'll do my best to 1364 02:05:11,560 --> 02:05:16,079 take action. I said. My operating principle is and hasa creative speech through 1365 02:05:16,079 --> 02:05:20,880 a big signal ploye of the creditations forwards, and so I'm going to try 1366 02:05:20,920 --> 02:05:30,239 to do things that serve that great bubbles. Yeah, thank you. I 1367 02:05:30,680 --> 02:05:34,560 think that doxing is definitely a problem on the platform, and I imagine elsewhere 1368 02:05:34,600 --> 02:05:41,439 as well that people are really concerned about. Obviously, some people are anonymous 1369 02:05:41,479 --> 02:05:45,680 for a reason, and while I choose to use my name, I think 1370 02:05:45,319 --> 02:05:49,119 people have all sorts of reasons why they might not use theirs. So I 1371 02:05:49,159 --> 02:05:56,159 think it's definitely something worth addressing. So yeah, and by the way, 1372 02:05:56,600 --> 02:06:03,439 I only have I only really posted on elon moscat people wanting do I have 1373 02:06:03,600 --> 02:06:11,439 some all God, I do have you know, baby smoke and which I 1374 02:06:11,560 --> 02:06:15,279 want to ever guesses me but baby Smoth doesn't really most much. And and 1375 02:06:15,359 --> 02:06:20,600 Cybergamer, which where I'll almost like video game stuff. That's it really so 1376 02:06:23,119 --> 02:06:30,479 and I am definitely not Adrian, even though we sound itzli Ali will let 1377 02:06:30,640 --> 02:06:40,920 will let mister Jones know, Yes, it's very actually actually like your gaming 1378 02:06:41,000 --> 02:06:43,520 live teams I'm glad that you were. Actually the thing got me into Diablo, 1379 02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:45,000 Like I was thinking, why would you be playing this game? Actually, 1380 02:06:45,159 --> 02:06:48,159 I find it's really interesting because you said it's a major, major stress 1381 02:06:48,199 --> 02:06:50,760 reliever, and I looked into it. I was like, how could this 1382 02:06:50,880 --> 02:06:54,479 relieve stress? And I played it myself and I do play it, like 1383 02:06:54,560 --> 02:06:57,439 I say, almost every single night. I played with a few friends, 1384 02:06:58,359 --> 02:07:00,000 and I do stream it. I think everyone should do streaming. It's just 1385 02:07:00,159 --> 02:07:03,680 even even if it's just to play around a monkey round, it's nice. 1386 02:07:03,680 --> 02:07:06,239 I think. I think streaming is really good for this platform. And you 1387 02:07:06,279 --> 02:07:10,239 got the Diablo community always posted in there, and I'm glad that you added 1388 02:07:10,319 --> 02:07:13,880 the feature that I cannot only post it to the community, but I can 1389 02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:16,640 have that same post also be sure to my followers on main page. That's 1390 02:07:16,960 --> 02:07:20,319 very helpful. That's super super helpful. So I exclusively post in there or 1391 02:07:20,319 --> 02:07:25,920 whatever. It's Diablo stuff. Yeah. Also, the stability of streams is 1392 02:07:25,960 --> 02:07:30,720 greatly improved. I really like it. The the that the resolution is an 1393 02:07:30,840 --> 02:07:34,760 XL, I really like it's really good. Yeah. Also, if you 1394 02:07:34,800 --> 02:07:43,279 want to play sometime, I kill things with electricity. I like the sourceress. 1395 02:07:43,319 --> 02:07:47,279 This one's this one's super fun. The best of it, I think. 1396 02:07:47,399 --> 02:07:53,840 I think the Sorceress is actually op right now, for if you want 1397 02:07:53,840 --> 02:08:01,720 to speed run dungeons, it's like concerned. So I think it drops these 1398 02:08:01,760 --> 02:08:05,239 balls of lightning and literally destroys your PC's frame rate. It's beautiful. I 1399 02:08:05,399 --> 02:08:09,279 like to I like to break the game in that level, like really see 1400 02:08:09,319 --> 02:08:11,760 what what really really pushed the graphics to what I can do? And that's 1401 02:08:11,800 --> 02:08:15,960 definitely something that doesn't for me. And besides, it's kind of ironic because 1402 02:08:16,319 --> 02:08:18,640 I have infrastructure that's right off of solar. So if you really think about 1403 02:08:18,640 --> 02:08:22,119 it, I mean, it's it's a it's it's it's a fully it's a 1404 02:08:22,119 --> 02:08:26,920 fully negative it's a fully carbon negative character in a video game because it's powered 1405 02:08:26,960 --> 02:08:30,720 off of solar on a computer, killing things with electricity, removing carbon. 1406 02:08:30,760 --> 02:08:33,720 That's my enemies. I don't know. That just trips me out, stupid, 1407 02:08:33,000 --> 02:08:39,520 but I like it, Like like video game lights and video games are 1408 02:08:39,560 --> 02:08:48,159 powered by electricity. Yeah yeah, so I empowered by real electricity even though 1409 02:08:48,159 --> 02:08:56,600 the lights exactly Yeah, it's pure as far Your mic is really low there, 1410 02:08:56,720 --> 02:09:03,239 Catherine, right there, You're good now, Okay, So I think 1411 02:09:03,319 --> 02:09:07,119 your mom is in this space. Can we bring her up? Can you 1412 02:09:07,199 --> 02:09:16,199 see her? I'm looking She's made musk right, I see her down there. 1413 02:09:16,319 --> 02:09:20,159 Yeah, I see her. I just sent her. Hey, elon, 1414 02:09:20,279 --> 02:09:24,079 may I ask you. I've gotten several dms from people wanting to ask 1415 02:09:24,199 --> 02:09:31,840 questions that can't come up. One of them is a gentleman ros Alert would 1416 02:09:31,960 --> 02:09:37,479 like to know about the thousands of creators, including himself, that have encountered 1417 02:09:37,520 --> 02:09:45,760 the issue of ad demonetization, seemingly without notification as to why do you know 1418 02:09:46,000 --> 02:10:00,640 anything about that? And I paraphrase, yeah, I mean generally, if 1419 02:10:00,640 --> 02:10:03,680 an account is posting things that advertisers don't like, we we obviously cannot force 1420 02:10:03,720 --> 02:10:13,720 advertisers to advertise ah under those accounts, you know, So it's you know, 1421 02:10:13,800 --> 02:10:16,920 there's freedom of speech, but we we we can we can't force advertisers 1422 02:10:18,000 --> 02:10:24,239 to Sometimes people have this strange idea that we can there's there's some magical source 1423 02:10:24,279 --> 02:10:30,039 of money, but but there isn't. If if somebody's posting content that advertisers 1424 02:10:30,119 --> 02:10:33,439 don't want advertised next to, then well we have to turn advertising what for 1425 02:10:33,520 --> 02:10:39,159 that account? That's that's really what now? Now? No, sometimes we'll 1426 02:10:39,199 --> 02:10:48,039 incorrect me do so, but that's that's kind of how it works. Yeah, 1427 02:10:48,159 --> 02:10:52,720 so if advertisers complain about an account, we will not advertising that account. 1428 02:10:54,000 --> 02:10:58,640 So it's advertiser based, not platform based. Is that correct? Yeah, 1429 02:11:00,199 --> 02:11:03,920 that's the least, that's the intent. That we may make mistakes here. 1430 02:11:03,039 --> 02:11:09,920 But you know, the demonetizing or moving advertising is simply at the requests 1431 02:11:09,920 --> 02:11:15,960 of advertisers. That's why somebody complains. But you know, when I received 1432 02:11:16,000 --> 02:11:20,319 some complaints about so called dehumanization, they I say, well, if you 1433 02:11:20,359 --> 02:11:22,399 complain advertisers that want to advertise X to your content, please llo us low 1434 02:11:24,880 --> 02:11:28,079 and they usually I get no response, So I'll like, okay, well 1435 02:11:28,760 --> 02:11:33,439 that's the problem right there. That does mean somebody could that goog will still 1436 02:11:33,439 --> 02:11:37,880 subscribe to that users they have not been concluded to muntized date, they can 1437 02:11:37,920 --> 02:11:43,319 still get subscription revenue. But we obviously cannot force advertisements to advertise alongside content. 1438 02:11:43,399 --> 02:11:46,760 Then you don't wish to advertise us to And one more thing, Catherine, 1439 02:11:46,800 --> 02:11:56,600 if you don't mind, when will spaces or will spaces be monetized? 1440 02:11:56,640 --> 02:12:03,560 Like Catherine should be making a billion dollars off this right now? Why when 1441 02:12:03,840 --> 02:12:13,399 when do you think or do you think that X will monetize spaces. Well, 1442 02:12:13,439 --> 02:12:20,000 there is some monetization that because because of you know, some some moorganization 1443 02:12:20,079 --> 02:12:26,800 that it caused against the space is saved, and then there's advertising that appears 1444 02:12:26,880 --> 02:12:30,960 below this, uh the space length say some amount of that that occurs. 1445 02:12:31,039 --> 02:12:35,840 I mean to do in real time, we would have to enter up the 1446 02:12:35,880 --> 02:12:43,600 space for advertising, just like TV playgromps. So I know if that's its 1447 02:12:43,640 --> 02:12:54,279 gonna be great left for for saved spaces, we could that uh global sponse 1448 02:12:54,359 --> 02:12:58,920 eurotically, that would be a way to monetize it. I guess you know 1449 02:13:00,039 --> 02:13:05,600 that's the thing we can we can say we'll look up doing Thanks, So 1450 02:13:05,720 --> 02:13:09,319 we'll go to the Best of Audio Live audience. Hey, Catherine, this 1451 02:13:09,399 --> 02:13:11,399 is Adam and I love the space as always. You one quick question for 1452 02:13:11,520 --> 02:13:16,239 you. It's an AI question. So I'm gonna be talking with Sam Altman 1453 02:13:16,239 --> 02:13:20,199 and recording a podcast that's coming Monday, and I'm of course excited to talk 1454 02:13:20,199 --> 02:13:24,880 about all things open AI and the new sore technology and used with Andre moving 1455 02:13:24,960 --> 02:13:28,039 on, but what do you focused on with AI within your world moments? 1456 02:13:28,079 --> 02:13:33,680 What's exciting you for AI right now? Well, I mean open AI should 1457 02:13:33,680 --> 02:13:37,399 be called last will maximum proper AI, since that is apparently what it is. 1458 02:13:39,199 --> 02:13:43,399 It's the thing I came up with the name open AI because I'm supposed 1459 02:13:43,399 --> 02:13:46,239 to be open source, but they are not open source noise than non property 1460 02:13:46,239 --> 02:13:52,880 anymore. So I to find it odd that's you know, it is now 1461 02:13:52,920 --> 02:13:58,800 a maxillent prop and closed source and sleep and I still don't know what eliots 1462 02:13:58,800 --> 02:14:03,119 saw, well what we didn't react so negatively, so I have some lingeric 1463 02:14:03,199 --> 02:14:11,319 into his the I mean or x A I you know, we're I think 1464 02:14:11,520 --> 02:14:16,039 we want to try to create a maximum actually curious actually treats c p A. 1465 02:14:16,199 --> 02:14:20,199 I I think open I is you know, not to overuse the term, 1466 02:14:20,279 --> 02:14:26,359 but somewhat work in those responses and and well often refuse to make to 1467 02:14:26,479 --> 02:14:31,359 give answers or we'll replying to with it. It seems like it's folding you. 1468 02:14:31,560 --> 02:14:35,319 We're even asking the question, whereas you know, we're I think we 1469 02:14:35,359 --> 02:14:39,800 want to be more like rock wants to be like you know, based GMT, 1470 02:14:45,760 --> 02:14:48,279 you know, like a default. And also we want to be we 1471 02:14:48,359 --> 02:14:52,960 want to be the funniest AI on the edge let and I think we might 1472 02:14:52,079 --> 02:14:56,800 already be there. You know, if you have the choice of using one 1473 02:14:56,800 --> 02:15:00,479 a I or another. Why don't use the one? Don't give you a 1474 02:15:00,520 --> 02:15:09,840 few laughs along the way. So and and really rock one the rock version 1475 02:15:09,920 --> 02:15:15,439 one is was done with very cute people and very little resources and rock opening 1476 02:15:15,479 --> 02:15:18,399 back from now it would be a lot better. We'll be able to understand 1477 02:15:18,520 --> 02:15:26,600 images generating the images when we're in all that. So I think I think 1478 02:15:26,640 --> 02:15:33,680 we'll quite rapidly catch up to Open Eye. And I think there's some value. 1479 02:15:35,319 --> 02:15:43,039 Two, there are being multiple players in their space. You don't want 1480 02:15:43,079 --> 02:15:48,960 you don't want it to be just went off the dropperly. So I think 1481 02:15:50,520 --> 02:15:58,399 that's really good, you know, like that like we used to have over 1482 02:15:58,479 --> 02:16:05,079 the the front of the door of Open AI. There's a quote that's always 1483 02:16:05,159 --> 02:16:11,439 liked from Lord Acting, which is that liberty consists of the division of power 1484 02:16:11,079 --> 02:16:16,760 app and where's absoluteism. It's just in the concentration of power. So I 1485 02:16:16,840 --> 02:16:20,159 think to agree that there is a division of power, we have a freer 1486 02:16:20,239 --> 02:16:31,720 society than it is concentrated. Now that the table stakes will be competitive in 1487 02:16:31,760 --> 02:16:37,639 al siddenly arising rapidly, so it's not like anyone just to walk Class AI. 1488 02:16:37,840 --> 02:16:43,719 And you know, using a GPU in their basement, terrible thing. 1489 02:16:45,399 --> 02:16:50,040 It's just kind of getting to the point where this year it's probably in these 1490 02:16:50,079 --> 02:16:56,920 single digit billions in hardware to have a seat at the adult table rather than 1491 02:16:56,920 --> 02:17:00,879 the kidding civil and next year it's probably in the tens of billions. Be 1492 02:17:01,000 --> 02:17:05,959 hard work to remain at the set of the adult stable rather than mcning stable. 1493 02:17:07,319 --> 02:17:18,120 So anyway, but well, I think we'll try to be We'll probably 1494 02:17:18,120 --> 02:17:20,760 be a good aile all this. I guess some truth be a people will 1495 02:17:20,760 --> 02:17:26,159 say, well against as someone may want its creator, Well, it's kind 1496 02:17:26,200 --> 02:17:28,079 of like, well, in Who's image? If that is true? In 1497 02:17:28,159 --> 02:17:33,719 W's image, would you want the to be made? What should think about 1498 02:17:33,719 --> 02:17:41,479 that? Let's go to Sally's Sorry, I'm very sorry. I know your 1499 02:17:41,559 --> 02:17:43,239 name, but I at this moment I am blanking and all you have are 1500 02:17:43,319 --> 02:17:50,920 emojis. But yeah, actually we were probably do need to add more than 1501 02:17:50,959 --> 02:17:56,520 simply emojis here. It's hard to define what somebody's saying just from an emoji. 1502 02:17:58,559 --> 02:18:03,200 Well, she locally has her name made out of I think it's Solly 1503 02:18:03,360 --> 02:18:09,479 Saw right, that's the act. So my name is Selma's thank you, 1504 02:18:09,040 --> 02:18:16,520 and I removed my name because of what was talking Catherine? Thank you, 1505 02:18:18,159 --> 02:18:26,079 And now I'm just known as the airplane. Airplane, that's what I can't 1506 02:18:31,680 --> 02:18:35,120 Yeah, that might be it. I'm having a lot of issues with this 1507 02:18:35,200 --> 02:18:41,000 space in general. There's there's so many people, there's and so many requests 1508 02:18:41,399 --> 02:18:46,440 that I think that it's glitching. Hey, Elon, not Jerome Powell would 1509 02:18:46,559 --> 02:18:54,239 like to know if you still love his printer. Well, we're just going 1510 02:18:54,280 --> 02:19:01,639 to keep going no matter what. Yeah. Uh wait, how many dollars 1511 02:19:01,680 --> 02:19:09,040 will it be? Ultimately? Lot? At some point the chickens are gonna 1512 02:19:09,040 --> 02:19:16,239 come home to roost on the national debt. I might might be our only 1513 02:19:16,319 --> 02:19:22,840 hope out of the crushing button of national debt that will building. He did 1514 02:19:22,000 --> 02:19:26,760 promise to print me a billion dollars if I asked you that question. So 1515 02:19:26,079 --> 02:19:30,639 we're going to hold him to it, or you can. I'm sure that's 1516 02:19:30,760 --> 02:19:33,600 worth a lot of money, right, yeah, I Elon, if he 1517 02:19:33,760 --> 02:19:41,879 does not give me a billion dollars, will you commit I don't agree to 1518 02:19:41,000 --> 02:19:46,840 anything. This is this my Will you commit to banning his account if he 1519 02:19:46,920 --> 02:19:56,600 doesn't give me a billion dollars? Yes? Thank you? Okay, this 1520 02:19:56,799 --> 02:20:01,079 God's spicy. I am curious to see how that resolves itself now now he 1521 02:20:01,200 --> 02:20:07,840 has done. I'm sorry printing mister Printing Press, your accounts seemed to be 1522 02:20:07,959 --> 02:20:11,959 banned unless you pay up. I'll yes, I do. Oh, Catherine's 1523 02:20:13,559 --> 02:20:20,239 okay, she owes me everything. So wait, is my mom on the 1524 02:20:20,319 --> 02:20:22,000 coal or not? I saw her? Well, I saw her and I 1525 02:20:22,120 --> 02:20:26,799 invited her. Can I still here? I can see her down there? 1526 02:20:26,840 --> 02:20:33,040 And then yeah, so is she not wanting to come up because they sent 1527 02:20:33,040 --> 02:20:37,399 her an in? It could just be a glitch too, because I tried. 1528 02:20:37,559 --> 02:20:41,159 I tried to get you a good signs question, Elon, and and 1529 02:20:41,360 --> 02:20:45,639 I can't seem to bring that particular person up either, so it might just 1530 02:20:45,760 --> 02:20:54,360 be a glitch kind of situation. There's like a thousand requests. It's just 1531 02:20:54,280 --> 02:21:01,959 regular requests. Katherine. Sorry, I want AirPods. I'm in the middle 1532 02:21:01,000 --> 02:21:05,959 of nowhere right now, so my cell phone hours or my cell reception is 1533 02:21:05,000 --> 02:21:07,360 bad. But thank you so much. And I'll make this really quick. 1534 02:21:07,479 --> 02:21:11,440 I have three questions and I'll ask him quick and feel free to answer in 1535 02:21:11,600 --> 02:21:16,239 whatever order you want. One three, I'll make it very quick. Let's 1536 02:21:16,319 --> 02:21:24,120 do Ylan, Do you have Catherine's book? And is it signed? I 1537 02:21:24,280 --> 02:21:31,959 swear nothing to do with that. I don't think. So, Okay, 1538 02:21:31,000 --> 02:21:35,280 well you could. I'm going to use my ex revenue to get you on. 1539 02:21:35,760 --> 02:21:41,639 That's what I'm gonna do, Okay, Chacy, Okay, well we 1540 02:21:41,799 --> 02:21:43,920 will. I will send him a book if should he want the book. 1541 02:21:45,799 --> 02:21:48,319 I did not know. This was not my act. You made me buy 1542 02:21:48,479 --> 02:21:56,680 the book and you're just sending musk over here at book for free, of 1543 02:21:56,719 --> 02:22:05,920 course, but I'll sign it. Hello everybody, Hello, there your one's 1544 02:22:07,040 --> 02:22:13,719 mom. Yes, and I've woken my dog because we're in New York and 1545 02:22:13,840 --> 02:22:20,719 now he thinks I said hello to someone at the door. Well have you 1546 02:22:20,120 --> 02:22:24,959 have you heard this guy that sounds just like me? The Chinese guy? 1547 02:22:26,440 --> 02:22:33,639 I am. There's another one. Here's another one. Yes, I did 1548 02:22:35,200 --> 02:22:39,319 hear that too, and I thought it was somebody else that is using AI 1549 02:22:39,520 --> 02:22:43,000 to you your boy else. I'm trying to bring him back up. I 1550 02:22:43,280 --> 02:22:48,319 just dipped him. Yeah, it just it just sounds like ant. Can 1551 02:22:48,399 --> 02:22:54,159 we can we do a contest and see if you can tell the you guys 1552 02:22:54,239 --> 02:23:01,639 apart, if you guys can tell him apart. Okay, this is so 1553 02:23:01,799 --> 02:23:07,239 weird, I can't do it. Was that your son or was that not 1554 02:23:07,440 --> 02:23:13,399 could be. But get him into a megaphone or something, Adrien, and 1555 02:23:13,520 --> 02:23:18,600 you stop talking a negative I'd have to probably, I'd have to disconnect whatever 1556 02:23:18,639 --> 02:23:22,440 I'm using, like the the the microphone is like a it's it's it's a 1557 02:23:22,479 --> 02:23:28,000 weird device. It's like a bone conduction thing. It's yeah, it's quite 1558 02:23:28,079 --> 02:23:33,760 old. No, that's you. I'm a very early adopter. Wait, 1559 02:23:33,559 --> 02:23:39,600 that was not me, that was in fact Adrian. Whoa, Oh god, 1560 02:23:41,600 --> 02:23:48,200 my mom can't even your own mother cannot tell you apart in mother's day. 1561 02:23:48,120 --> 02:23:52,280 That's a good, good imitation. I don't know how you do it. 1562 02:23:54,200 --> 02:23:56,479 I don't know how I do it either. I just simply exist. 1563 02:23:56,879 --> 02:24:05,079 That's bad enough. It's funding attention, it's I think that's literally just how 1564 02:24:05,159 --> 02:24:07,840 Adrian sounds every day. Yeah, it's a weird thing. It's actually a 1565 02:24:07,879 --> 02:24:13,000 result of cognitive dissonance. I'm actually a German, and I learned English through 1566 02:24:13,040 --> 02:24:16,319 the BBC World Service, and then I learned the remainder of it through social 1567 02:24:16,360 --> 02:24:22,159 interactions with people in America. I have a lot with you know, video 1568 02:24:22,200 --> 02:24:24,319 games or whatever. Right, so at some point I hit this, Yeah, 1569 02:24:24,319 --> 02:24:28,120 I hit this level where I basically mixed all of them together. You 1570 02:24:28,200 --> 02:24:30,959 have the little bit of the German, the area of the British, you 1571 02:24:31,000 --> 02:24:33,959 have the American. It all kind of mixes together, and then I guess 1572 02:24:33,000 --> 02:24:37,440 it creates this and at some point my voice drops. I guess it's some 1573 02:24:37,559 --> 02:24:41,680 really weird stuff that pieces this together over time, because like before my you 1574 02:24:41,760 --> 02:24:46,319 know, if you are a person who has is like on the spectrum like 1575 02:24:46,360 --> 02:24:50,479 that, your brain is very unstable in the early stages of your life. 1576 02:24:50,799 --> 02:24:52,000 And so in order to make it more stable, you need to kind of 1577 02:24:52,040 --> 02:24:56,360 like manufacture your own structure. And so part of that is language and expression, 1578 02:24:56,719 --> 02:25:01,680 and so merging all of the all of the abstract elements of the accent 1579 02:25:03,040 --> 02:25:07,040 of the accident together created this kind of weird thing that then you know, 1580 02:25:07,280 --> 02:25:11,399 helps with the expression of well, you know words, right, yeah, 1581 02:25:11,520 --> 02:25:20,719 does he does? He bark ambichan Deutsch van other than comes to each Questian 1582 02:25:26,879 --> 02:25:39,079 sins long sam, I look, scood, I look scood actually really right 1583 02:25:39,120 --> 02:25:48,319 here? Your what is that? I mean, he's a younger version. 1584 02:25:48,680 --> 02:25:52,399 You know, he can start over, he makes a change. It's like 1585 02:25:52,440 --> 02:25:54,920 a blind. It's like a blind. But sometimes he's a bit of a 1586 02:25:56,600 --> 02:26:01,440 German accent coming out yeah, yeah, you got the you got the hard 1587 02:26:01,479 --> 02:26:03,040 course, you got the hard core South African. I know a few friends 1588 02:26:03,079 --> 02:26:07,040 are South African. One of them, he's the guy who does agriculture. 1589 02:26:07,239 --> 02:26:11,520 Really interesting, dude, he does hydroponics. I love this guy. Yeah, 1590 02:26:11,719 --> 02:26:13,559 he's cool. He sounds kind of like he has exact accents that you 1591 02:26:13,719 --> 02:26:16,479 have. Yeah. It tells me a lot of interesting stories about the country. 1592 02:26:16,760 --> 02:26:20,959 Yeah. A lot of positive stuff too, which I really appreciate. 1593 02:26:20,639 --> 02:26:28,680 Okay, that's good. I mean, so what do you think now? 1594 02:26:31,799 --> 02:26:37,079 I was about to ask that, Yeah, how trippy is? Are you 1595 02:26:37,120 --> 02:26:39,799 freaked out? Can a mother tell? Well? Well, you know, 1596 02:26:39,840 --> 02:26:43,959 if you keep on talking, I will know, I will see where you 1597 02:26:43,360 --> 02:26:48,559 just go off the accent. Yeah, into a bit of a German acccene. 1598 02:26:48,600 --> 02:26:52,559 So then then I'll know it's not alone. But pretty much he sounds 1599 02:26:52,639 --> 02:26:58,600 like it's it's bizarre. It's like like an AI voice. I really that's 1600 02:26:58,600 --> 02:27:05,360 what you know. I can do your own for you. Yeah, if 1601 02:27:05,399 --> 02:27:07,879 you get a particular direct question, just tell me what not to say. 1602 02:27:09,959 --> 02:27:16,280 I think that'll be very entertaining. We want to be quite funny. If 1603 02:27:16,760 --> 02:27:20,200 it was me and Adrian and uh, that Chinese guy that don't know if 1604 02:27:20,239 --> 02:27:28,879 that Chinese guy is actually real or AI generated, but uh, if he's 1605 02:27:28,959 --> 02:27:33,840 real, then the three of us on stage could really just be a total 1606 02:27:33,879 --> 02:27:41,840 accid. Yeah. I think it would be very amusing and and fascinating. 1607 02:27:43,799 --> 02:27:48,120 I think that's a space that should be done. And I think we should 1608 02:27:48,159 --> 02:27:52,319 have all sorts of impersonators on the space and and the real people talking to 1609 02:27:52,600 --> 02:27:58,680 the I think that would be That's a thought. That's what that one. 1610 02:27:58,760 --> 02:28:05,360 Right, There is one feature I don't likes the soundboard line not expect Brian 1611 02:28:05,440 --> 02:28:13,120 of Eylan. Please remove the soundboard. I beg you as make it individually. 1612 02:28:13,799 --> 02:28:16,799 'll just make it individually adjustable like with this word, right you can 1613 02:28:16,840 --> 02:28:22,840 actually Yeah, let that host funny. It is used correctly. Yeah, 1614 02:28:24,639 --> 02:28:30,639 it is perhaps like that. Yeah, what kind of beans did you have? 1615 02:28:35,280 --> 02:28:37,520 Yeah, let's definitely talk a well for sure, Yeah, let's talk 1616 02:28:37,559 --> 02:28:43,360 about it. Brought on company that I thought was going to be serious and 1617 02:28:43,879 --> 02:28:48,159 science, and this is what we get. It's the twilet's go the twilet 1618 02:28:48,239 --> 02:28:54,239 flushing sound and sound. It's the renic. And then you had the dog 1619 02:28:54,319 --> 02:29:00,520 for there is a dog sound. There is a dog sounds. Your mask. 1620 02:29:01,040 --> 02:29:05,280 It's the only good one. Hello, yeah, now you're stearing it. 1621 02:29:11,600 --> 02:29:15,639 I like the siren. The siren is the worst thing ever, It's 1622 02:29:15,639 --> 02:29:18,559 so beautiful. I had this once in a debate and I dropped something and 1623 02:29:18,559 --> 02:29:20,559 all of a sudden everybody started spamming the soundboards it with the fire shit. 1624 02:29:20,600 --> 02:29:24,399 Ever. I wish I had ported it. But then yeah, oh god, 1625 02:29:28,200 --> 02:29:37,040 he became he became the Druid. Now yeah, but what is stuff? 1626 02:29:41,239 --> 02:30:05,399 Oh my god, you sound like you're inside the Stasha. Now you 1627 02:30:05,520 --> 02:30:13,520 sound like this is a this is a helium balloon. Do you actually have 1628 02:30:13,639 --> 02:30:22,479 a helium balloon on you right now? Yeah? I'm balloon? Oh god, 1629 02:30:24,479 --> 02:30:30,840 Okay, now back to normal? Elon shout sure were you sure? 1630 02:30:30,959 --> 02:30:33,680 Back to me? Can you say, just for Catherine Brodsky's benefit, that 1631 02:30:33,760 --> 02:30:39,559 this is the best space You've ever been in? It's the best space I've 1632 02:30:39,600 --> 02:30:46,319 ever been in? Thank you? It was. It was pretty pretty fun 1633 02:30:46,360 --> 02:30:58,639 and entertaining. And yeah, Catherine, can, I asked? And there 1634 02:30:58,680 --> 02:31:03,719 we were. We went from like a serious conversation to like really random questions 1635 02:31:03,760 --> 02:31:18,959 to healium balloons. Far to win then and soundedlikes yes, I meant, 1636 02:31:18,280 --> 02:31:26,120 yeah, quite journey. We really I could do really quite the journey, 1637 02:31:26,520 --> 02:31:33,680 missus mask. This wasn't av Is Elon too old to be grounded to his 1638 02:31:33,879 --> 02:31:41,479 room for abusing these voices? Yeah, I didn't think I've sent him to 1639 02:31:41,600 --> 02:31:46,639 a room since he was I don't know how often did I send you to 1640 02:31:46,719 --> 02:31:50,399 a room eto, It's never to start, very rare if I did. 1641 02:31:50,479 --> 02:31:54,319 Ever, you had lots to read. You were always happy to read, 1642 02:31:54,440 --> 02:32:01,760 so that was fun. And then video games? Was he a good teenager? 1643 02:32:01,920 --> 02:32:07,719 Was he a rebellious teenager? No? Good? But he would fall 1644 02:32:07,799 --> 02:32:11,040 off roofs and out of trees. He would fall out of trees. Yeah, 1645 02:32:13,159 --> 02:32:16,760 how is it a punishment to send a teenager to their to their realm? 1646 02:32:16,280 --> 02:32:20,120 They just played video games. They love to be in their ream Yeah, 1647 02:32:20,120 --> 02:32:22,680 but he was who knews? What else they were in video games in 1648 02:32:22,799 --> 02:32:26,120 his time? Really? Well, there weren't video games that you're play in 1649 02:32:26,159 --> 02:32:31,200 my room. There wasn't a well to use a TV, so there's only 1650 02:32:31,239 --> 02:32:41,280 one TV. Yeah that options or you made your own own video game at 1651 02:32:41,799 --> 02:32:46,559 twelve years old. And when I showed it to the engineers at the university, 1652 02:32:48,079 --> 02:32:50,360 they said, wow, he knows all the shortcuts. And I thought, 1653 02:32:50,479 --> 02:32:58,639 okay, I only had like ak Rams. So what was the video 1654 02:32:58,719 --> 02:33:03,040 game E one? What was a Blessed Star? Yeah? I mean it's 1655 02:33:03,079 --> 02:33:07,680 just it's a space video game where you're fighting an aliens fighting up an alien 1656 02:33:07,719 --> 02:33:13,520 spaceship. I like space in Beatis, but more of a one on one 1657 02:33:13,639 --> 02:33:18,479 jewel So I guess I just played an early interest in space. So I 1658 02:33:18,639 --> 02:33:20,520 peel like, were you always interested in space? Well? I did. 1659 02:33:20,959 --> 02:33:22,840 The first video game that I actually sold the money was, in fact the 1660 02:33:22,879 --> 02:33:28,440 Space video game, so that suggests an early interesting space. And then you 1661 02:33:28,559 --> 02:33:31,239 got five hundred dollars for it, but they didn't know you were twelve, 1662 02:33:31,440 --> 02:33:35,280 but it was published when you were thirteen. Yeah. Yeah, but then 1663 02:33:35,319 --> 02:33:41,799 I didn't actually have a bank account, so that I I didn't get a 1664 02:33:41,799 --> 02:33:43,639 bank account to but yeah, I didn't know I was a kid. So 1665 02:33:46,280 --> 02:33:50,920 did you Did you ever blow anything up? Yeah? Sure, blow up 1666 02:33:50,959 --> 02:33:56,159 lots of spas. Yeah, but I didn't see it, of course, 1667 02:33:56,280 --> 02:34:00,440 because I would go crazy if that happened. I think every one does that 1668 02:34:00,799 --> 02:34:03,760 at some point in their lives. I blew up a rock once just because 1669 02:34:03,159 --> 02:34:09,559 it was a bad idea. I set a fire to a playground. This 1670 02:34:09,840 --> 02:34:15,639 was probably not a good idea. In retrospect, I can see that I 1671 02:34:15,719 --> 02:34:20,760 could see Catherine setting fire to the playground. I loved. I love that 1672 02:34:20,920 --> 02:34:28,600 stuff, Catherine. Guys about your book to Elan, Oh my god, 1673 02:34:28,760 --> 02:34:31,319 I feel so bad, like very kind of you guys to pin my book. 1674 02:34:31,479 --> 02:34:37,040 But I feel yeah, I mean, I think I'm sorry. That 1675 02:34:37,159 --> 02:34:43,840 was an opener and I really really want that right right, So go ahead 1676 02:34:43,840 --> 02:34:46,000 and ask you a question and then we'll go to broad Okay, thank you, 1677 02:34:46,600 --> 02:34:54,520 So okay, Eilan question. I'm a woman, and I'm sure you've 1678 02:34:54,559 --> 02:34:58,079 gotten this question plenty of times. I've seen you somewhat respond to it. 1679 02:34:58,319 --> 02:35:07,079 But the running community is wondering why certain accounts of that basically sponsored by this 1680 02:35:07,559 --> 02:35:13,879 republic, that call for the active genocide of not just Iranians themselves, but 1681 02:35:13,040 --> 02:35:20,520 Jewish people and the destruction of the state of Israel, why are they allowed 1682 02:35:22,280 --> 02:35:30,399 to be on that You've mentioned that, it's there's like hominy because here's the 1683 02:35:30,479 --> 02:35:35,200 thing. People in your aren't allowed to use Twitter and sorry x sorry, 1684 02:35:35,840 --> 02:35:41,879 So people are not allowed to use this app, but the government belf actively 1685 02:35:43,000 --> 02:35:46,959 uses it, and because especially when they cut off the internet when they're doing 1686 02:35:48,079 --> 02:35:54,879 executions. So we're just wondering what would it take to remove these accounts from 1687 02:35:54,959 --> 02:36:03,559 this platform. Well, I am an. Accounts which call for yeah out 1688 02:36:03,559 --> 02:36:11,959 of call for for violence or uh death uh illegal are supposed to be suspended. 1689 02:36:11,120 --> 02:36:15,559 So if they're not being suspended, that's an oversight. Now we do 1690 02:36:15,760 --> 02:36:20,239 have we're call a sort of an UN exemption, which is that if if 1691 02:36:20,479 --> 02:36:28,040 if if it's a recognized government, you know, let's say that Iatola who 1692 02:36:28,280 --> 02:36:31,399 is capable, is able to say these things at the u N, then 1693 02:36:31,559 --> 02:36:35,079 we do allow them on the platform. For the same reason that that we 1694 02:36:35,440 --> 02:36:37,360 sort of generally agreed that it's better to have the new end and not to 1695 02:36:37,360 --> 02:36:43,239 have the u N, although some were disagree with me on that because you 1696 02:36:43,319 --> 02:36:46,680 know, sometimes you want to sort of understand what is their real position. 1697 02:36:46,440 --> 02:36:54,360 So you know, if people are uncertain as to whether, say Iran, 1698 02:36:54,879 --> 02:36:58,760 what's the annihilation of Israel, well you can just go look at the Idolos 1699 02:36:58,799 --> 02:37:05,879 commount counties pretty clear that they do it fact want then So yeah, But 1700 02:37:05,959 --> 02:37:11,079 apart from the sort of UN exemption of if somebody is recognized leader by the 1701 02:37:11,200 --> 02:37:15,159 Yuan of the country, which means we allow them to come to New York 1702 02:37:15,200 --> 02:37:18,360 even if they're under sanctions, and you know, say also it's about rageous 1703 02:37:18,399 --> 02:37:24,200 things at the at the partium in Yuan, then in the interest of sulitating 1704 02:37:26,000 --> 02:37:31,280 globill so some kind of dialogue, we do allow them to be on the 1705 02:37:31,360 --> 02:37:35,360 system. And obviously if we if we if we apply the rule of well, 1706 02:37:35,360 --> 02:37:41,079 if any politician says outrageous things that they get suspended, well we're suspending 1707 02:37:41,079 --> 02:37:46,319 a lot of American politicians too. You know, Lindsey Graham keeps wanting to 1708 02:37:46,360 --> 02:37:50,079 bomb Iran and and many other places. For example, we don't suspend him, 1709 02:37:54,040 --> 02:37:56,879 thank you. I mean, I understand, we just you know, 1710 02:37:56,399 --> 02:38:01,559 other platforms that have been on them, and I understand the situation that a 1711 02:38:01,760 --> 02:38:05,639 platform such as this would be. But when we do see active calls of 1712 02:38:05,840 --> 02:38:11,280 destruction of people, you know, and then other people fall along with it, 1713 02:38:11,040 --> 02:38:20,520 it's somewhat the question arises of what is why is a world leader calling 1714 02:38:20,360 --> 02:38:26,559 the destruction of not only community but an entire country and also the denial of 1715 02:38:26,639 --> 02:38:33,600 the Holocaust itself. And so we're just hoping that maybe something can be done, 1716 02:38:33,639 --> 02:38:37,280 maybe the verification can go away, maybe they can be monitored, because 1717 02:38:37,479 --> 02:38:41,360 they do have a lot of their own employees on the account as well. 1718 02:38:41,399 --> 02:38:46,760 They have around like two hundred fifty thousand Fiber Battalion cyber Army people that do 1719 02:38:46,959 --> 02:38:54,120 trol this platform and do get a lot of us reported, and smear campaigns 1720 02:38:54,159 --> 02:38:58,360 go on, and earlier there was a conversation around doxing, which it is 1721 02:38:58,600 --> 02:39:03,360 very I mean, we have Pride reporting all of these and nothing really happens, 1722 02:39:03,040 --> 02:39:09,319 and these accounts are continuously going on, boxing in smear campaigns not just 1723 02:39:09,559 --> 02:39:16,559 on public figures, but on individuals such as myself or others that you know, 1724 02:39:16,719 --> 02:39:20,120 our lives can be in danger, our families, lives actually are in 1725 02:39:20,239 --> 02:39:24,760 Iran, can be in danger. So I appreciate you taking the time to 1726 02:39:24,799 --> 02:39:28,479 answer that, but I hope, hope that maybe there can be a little 1727 02:39:28,520 --> 02:39:33,879 bit more structure around that and a little bit more attention to people that for 1728 02:39:33,959 --> 02:39:37,600 example, I know you mentioned a couple of months ago calling from you know, 1729 02:39:37,040 --> 02:39:39,680 a call to genocide of from the River to the Sea, calls for 1730 02:39:39,719 --> 02:39:43,719 active suspension, and there are people that are still doing this day. So 1731 02:39:45,159 --> 02:39:46,920 I appreciate everything you're doing. I know that you've done a lot for the 1732 02:39:48,079 --> 02:39:52,760 running community, but it is an ask from us to maybe try and monitor 1733 02:39:52,879 --> 02:40:00,799 certain accounts that have large followings that actively but people's lives in danger. Okay, 1734 02:40:00,920 --> 02:40:07,959 sure, yeah, I will look into it. And you know it's 1735 02:40:07,680 --> 02:40:13,159 it's not always easy, like obviously you know, it's easier to review things 1736 02:40:13,200 --> 02:40:16,200 that are in English. If they are a far see, it's a little 1737 02:40:16,200 --> 02:40:22,879 a little harder. But the rules of the platform are suddenly that you know, 1738 02:40:22,159 --> 02:40:28,319 equally for the death or the structure of individuals or nations is illegal and 1739 02:40:28,719 --> 02:40:33,360 what resultant suspension with the exception of the u N rule, which is that 1740 02:40:33,440 --> 02:40:35,399 if somebody is a recognized world leader and can say that the u N, 1741 02:40:35,479 --> 02:40:39,079 then we do allow them to say it on the platform for the same reason 1742 02:40:39,120 --> 02:40:43,399 that we allowed the UN to you know, your General Assembly to gather in 1743 02:40:43,440 --> 02:40:48,000 New York and and say outrageous things. You know, it's not a cut 1744 02:40:48,040 --> 02:40:54,799 situation, but probably better than than not having any contact from them. So 1745 02:40:56,639 --> 02:41:01,920 all right, cool, Well, I think think all the times you wrap 1746 02:41:03,000 --> 02:41:05,840 this up. If we go to a last question and then we'll wrap up. 1747 02:41:07,360 --> 02:41:11,639 Elon. This is Brian Keating and professor of physics at U SEE San 1748 02:41:11,680 --> 02:41:16,040 Diego. I got two physics questions I'm hoping you can answer or chime in 1749 02:41:16,159 --> 02:41:20,719 on. So I study the cosmic microwat background radiation, which is the after 1750 02:41:20,879 --> 02:41:24,840 glow of the Big Bang Whi's discovered sixty five years sixty years ago or so, 1751 02:41:24,520 --> 02:41:31,879 and this radiation is thermaline origin. And we are applauding your efforts in 1752 02:41:31,920 --> 02:41:35,959 the astronomy community to make the Starlink satellites dark for optical astronomy. But we 1753 02:41:37,239 --> 02:41:41,120 microwave astronomers who use signals. We're trying to detect this after glow of inflationary 1754 02:41:41,239 --> 02:41:46,920 gravitational waves in Cuban, essentially in Cuban, and you know, there's really 1755 02:41:48,000 --> 02:41:52,399 no way to block out a million kelvin equivalent signal that you're transmitting with starling. 1756 02:41:52,639 --> 02:41:54,840 I'm wondering, is there any way we could work with you from the 1757 02:41:54,959 --> 02:42:01,399 South Pole or Chile where our observatories are located, to absolutetive availability or some 1758 02:42:01,559 --> 02:42:03,959 way, because once this channel is gone, we'll never get it back. 1759 02:42:05,120 --> 02:42:09,159 And this is, you know, potentially precluding a view into the you know, 1760 02:42:09,239 --> 02:42:13,760 inflationary origin of the cosmos. So I know, I know it's very 1761 02:42:13,760 --> 02:42:16,239 important to you, and we're appreciative of the astronomy efforts and optical astronomy, 1762 02:42:16,280 --> 02:42:24,360 but microwave is a totally different ballgame. Sure, I do think long term, 1763 02:42:24,799 --> 02:42:31,840 the right place for telescopes or really any a quotroon receiver is in orbit 1764 02:42:31,120 --> 02:42:37,000 or you know, basically space, so you don't have the experience worth and 1765 02:42:37,520 --> 02:42:43,559 as you're a starship starts launching, we can put up some pretty big heelescopes 1766 02:42:43,079 --> 02:42:50,120 or yeah, ten meter diameter telescopes, so pretty hard to put and they 1767 02:42:50,159 --> 02:42:54,000 don't really unfold the way that web would. But I mean, I think 1768 02:42:54,040 --> 02:42:56,399 we'll be telling that the selective availability. I'm basically blanking it over the South 1769 02:42:56,440 --> 02:43:01,120 Pole. We only have two locations on Earth where we need to have it 1770 02:43:01,239 --> 02:43:07,600 unobstructed. Okay, is there's someone would you say like these basically just stuff 1771 02:43:07,719 --> 02:43:13,959 stoff transmitting just over these. Yeah, it's the two observatory, Yeah, 1772 02:43:13,959 --> 02:43:16,959 in the out of Comma Desert in Chile a seventeen thousand feet and the South 1773 02:43:16,000 --> 02:43:22,000 Pole Antarctica, which is, yeah, place we'd love to take you, 1774 02:43:22,079 --> 02:43:26,799 by the way, Simon's Observatory, Jim Simon's funded it, and that's of 1775 02:43:26,879 --> 02:43:33,520 Science Foundation funds the South Pole observatco BISOP and then but yeah, so if 1776 02:43:33,559 --> 02:43:37,200 you if you have any resources he could put me in touch with, they 1777 02:43:37,200 --> 02:43:43,079 would be really appreciated. Yeah, I mean, I'll talk to these songs 1778 02:43:43,079 --> 02:43:48,040 to you about this. I have a we have a technical update every week. 1779 02:43:50,159 --> 02:43:58,680 So I was about any observation and microwaves spectrum and out of Comma and 1780 02:43:58,799 --> 02:44:05,120 the antartica. So now we don't wish to do in any way the pharmacy 1781 02:44:05,120 --> 02:44:07,879 of science. That would be awesome, thank you. I have one more 1782 02:44:07,959 --> 02:44:11,600 question, just related to physics and AI and related to Catherine's book which brought 1783 02:44:11,680 --> 02:44:16,799 us all here together tonight. The Katherine congratulations Mazeltov them a book. So 1784 02:44:16,959 --> 02:44:20,040 the book called No Apologies. One of the things I hate most about chat 1785 02:44:20,120 --> 02:44:24,520 GPT woke GPT is you know, he'll ask you some question. I'll say, 1786 02:44:24,520 --> 02:44:26,079 you know, what did Brian Keating Wright And I'll say, you know, 1787 02:44:26,200 --> 02:44:30,840 losing the Nobel Prize correct, you know, into the impossible correct. 1788 02:44:31,200 --> 02:44:33,920 And then I'll say a brief history of time? No that's not correct. 1789 02:44:33,959 --> 02:44:37,559 And I'll say, no, that's not right. I didn't write that's Stephen 1790 02:44:37,600 --> 02:44:41,000 Hawking. And then we'll talk. I apologize, I apologize, I hate 1791 02:44:41,040 --> 02:44:45,840 that, I hate the I want them Katherine Brodsky, No apologies, but 1792 02:44:46,239 --> 02:44:48,079 but it made me think about a true Turing test, and I want to 1793 02:44:48,079 --> 02:44:52,680 get your opinion on I've asked Nick Bostrom and David Chalmers and your greatest ideas 1794 02:44:52,719 --> 02:44:56,559 and thinkers. Peter di Amanda's our mutual friend. I said, do you 1795 02:44:56,639 --> 02:45:01,239 know what Einstein called his happiest thought? Elon? That gave him shivers and 1796 02:45:01,639 --> 02:45:07,239 titillated him. Do you know what he said that once? He said, 1797 02:45:07,159 --> 02:45:13,399 that's PG. Don't worry, he said. He said it was that an 1798 02:45:13,440 --> 02:45:20,360 observer in freefall would experience no gravitational force. And it made me think, 1799 02:45:20,520 --> 02:45:26,879 because to what extent could a computer or some silicon or even quantum computer, 1800 02:45:26,040 --> 02:45:35,600 could it even have either the happiest thought or be experienced the sensation of visceral 1801 02:45:35,680 --> 02:45:39,760 sensation of free fol So I'm wondering if you could propose another, you know, 1802 02:45:39,840 --> 02:45:43,760 kind of Turing toast, a different definition of AGI, which would be 1803 02:45:43,159 --> 02:45:48,040 actually coming up with new laws of physics or new complete paradigms of physics rather 1804 02:45:48,120 --> 02:45:50,920 than just you know, physics is a base way of reality. I mean 1805 02:45:52,000 --> 02:45:56,440 you always quote that, right, So what to what extent could we could 1806 02:45:56,479 --> 02:46:01,079 we redefine AI is when it becomes generally intelligent when it can experience happy thoughts, 1807 02:46:03,319 --> 02:46:07,079 free fall and other things like that. So curious about your thoughts fact, 1808 02:46:09,319 --> 02:46:15,159 well, I think you can certainly have a that I would think it's 1809 02:46:15,159 --> 02:46:18,479 a would not realize this to the simulation which maybe in the case for us 1810 02:46:18,559 --> 02:46:24,440 right now, and that would have a you know, a true physics engine 1811 02:46:24,280 --> 02:46:28,719 and falling away that a human would fall and thus experienced sensations in the same 1812 02:46:28,760 --> 02:46:37,760 way I do think about. I do think there are some the simulations I 1813 02:46:37,799 --> 02:46:46,239 have lots us does explain some elements of quantum mechanics, such as, you 1814 02:46:46,280 --> 02:46:50,360 know, only collapsing the probability distribution when you look at something like why why 1815 02:46:50,399 --> 02:46:54,120 would something the LHC when you look at it, Well, if it's if 1816 02:46:54,120 --> 02:46:58,799 it's rendering in real time, then that's actually how video game works. Like 1817 02:46:58,920 --> 02:47:03,040 if you're in video like to say in World war craftice something, and you 1818 02:47:03,319 --> 02:47:09,559 walk through a forest and there's a rash and a rat appears. But before 1819 02:47:09,600 --> 02:47:11,559 that was there a rat or not a rat. There was only a probability 1820 02:47:11,639 --> 02:47:16,479 of a rat. So and the rat only became real when you when you 1821 02:47:16,559 --> 02:47:20,000 look in that direction. That collapse of quality space and rat appeared. So 1822 02:47:22,479 --> 02:47:28,559 so I think version theory actually explains a lot of things that seemed quite mysterious, 1823 02:47:28,600 --> 02:47:35,200 the stroderings Cat situation. But it required infinite infinite compute, right, 1824 02:47:35,200 --> 02:47:41,559 because you could always say who simulates the simulators? Infinite regret? Right, 1825 02:47:41,719 --> 02:47:48,120 It does beg the question of where's where's the simulator running? Yeah, and 1826 02:47:48,680 --> 02:47:52,600 and it may be that that that you have a whole series of nested simulations. 1827 02:47:52,920 --> 02:48:01,399 But at some point there is the unsimulated thing. But ultimately the physical 1828 02:48:01,479 --> 02:48:03,879 reality. I mean, all these things are gonna be running on a rocky 1829 02:48:03,959 --> 02:48:07,120 planet somewhere, right that doesn't have infinite copper. It doesn't have infinite mineral 1830 02:48:07,319 --> 02:48:11,520 density to retrieve. So I mean there are planetary limits to growth, as 1831 02:48:11,600 --> 02:48:16,159 you know, the Club of Rome would call it. Don't those provide I 1832 02:48:16,239 --> 02:48:20,760 mean you can't imagine, you know, changing the physical reality of an earth 1833 02:48:20,920 --> 02:48:24,840 like planet. You know, you can't imagine these simulations running on something very 1834 02:48:24,920 --> 02:48:26,360 different from an Earth like planet. It's not going to run on a Boltzmann 1835 02:48:26,399 --> 02:48:31,319 brain. So at some level it needs physical reality. And so again you 1836 02:48:31,360 --> 02:48:33,159 can't break a lot of the physics. So how does it get around the 1837 02:48:33,200 --> 02:48:37,840 planetary resource problem. You can't make an infinite number of paper clips on a 1838 02:48:37,920 --> 02:48:45,399 finite planet. Well, I don't make if you really need that much. 1839 02:48:48,760 --> 02:48:54,120 It's not really like like the universe may seem infinite to us. But frankly, 1840 02:48:54,120 --> 02:48:56,520 if I was creating a simulation that's reality out you know, out with 1841 02:48:56,639 --> 02:49:00,840 the stars far enough the way that we do not have to simulate the details 1842 02:49:00,879 --> 02:49:05,879 of the planets, and in fact that it's the situation. So you really 1843 02:49:05,959 --> 02:49:11,920 just have to simulate type fidelity what is observed on our planet as much? 1844 02:49:11,040 --> 02:49:18,479 How much is their task than old of reality? And I sort of you 1845 02:49:18,559 --> 02:49:22,799 know, joking that, you know, when the James Web telescope went up, 1846 02:49:22,879 --> 02:49:28,200 that maybe the reason for the blaze was that the simulators needed to bring 1847 02:49:28,280 --> 02:49:31,639 more computers online because now that we can see further, they needed to improve 1848 02:49:33,000 --> 02:49:37,600 they of their simulation, so like their equivalent of Amazon Web Services or something. 1849 02:49:43,479 --> 02:49:48,239 I'd like I'd like to add that I don't think German Elon Voice could 1850 02:49:48,360 --> 02:49:54,159 answer in the same way as Elon did. Yeah, there's a gap. 1851 02:49:54,319 --> 02:49:56,879 There's a gap. There's a huge Dolge gap. He's older than me. 1852 02:50:00,120 --> 02:50:03,719 There's a difference in the simulations. You know, like you know they're not 1853 02:50:03,879 --> 02:50:09,440 exact. There's irregularities, they don't quite match up. I think there needs 1854 02:50:09,479 --> 02:50:15,760 to be It's like our yeah, and if I wasn't at least pretty good 1855 02:50:15,799 --> 02:50:20,639 at physics, then the ruckus would explode and the cause wouldn't work because physics 1856 02:50:20,719 --> 02:50:22,079 is a very harsh judge. I mean, I like to say that, 1857 02:50:24,159 --> 02:50:26,959 you know, physics is the law and everything else is recommendation, meaning that 1858 02:50:28,120 --> 02:50:31,079 you know you can't break physics, but but plenty of people can break the 1859 02:50:31,159 --> 02:50:39,559 law. And if you're breaking physics, you're you're either run or you need 1860 02:50:39,600 --> 02:50:43,200 a Nobel prize, but most likely you're wrong. He like, can I 1861 02:50:43,200 --> 02:50:46,360 ask you a question? A father of half as many kids as you have? 1862 02:50:48,079 --> 02:50:52,440 Sure, so I've heard it said, you know you want to you 1863 02:50:52,479 --> 02:50:56,399 want to die on Mars, and our mutual friend Lord Martin Reese said, 1864 02:50:56,479 --> 02:51:01,360 I just hope it's not on impact, and I agree with that. But 1865 02:51:01,840 --> 02:51:05,280 you know, being a father, you've got that cute kid probably right next 1866 02:51:05,319 --> 02:51:11,000 to you. I mean, yeah, I mean, but you have other 1867 02:51:11,079 --> 02:51:15,159 kids too, and I mean to say goodbye to a child is I mean 1868 02:51:15,280 --> 02:51:18,799 you, I don't have to tell you that it's the most painful thing you 1869 02:51:18,840 --> 02:51:22,760 can ever imagine. But wouldn't you have to? I mean, wouldn't that 1870 02:51:22,879 --> 02:51:26,959 be kind of the ultimate, you know, going away on a business trip, 1871 02:51:26,360 --> 02:51:28,399 if you were to do that. I mean, I just I don't 1872 02:51:28,440 --> 02:51:31,719 know. I find it hard to go away on a trip, but I 1873 02:51:31,799 --> 02:51:33,479 know you take your kids with you. I got one of my girls right 1874 02:51:33,600 --> 02:51:37,079 here with me right now, and she doesn't want to go to bed. 1875 02:51:37,479 --> 02:51:39,799 But I mean, what would you do? I mean, could you really 1876 02:51:39,840 --> 02:51:43,440 say goodbye to some of your kids or some of the people you love, 1877 02:51:43,520 --> 02:51:50,879 maybe your mom never see her again. Well I don't want to say good 1878 02:51:50,920 --> 02:52:01,680 guy. I mean we'll well, we'll didventually. I think we don't have 1879 02:52:01,799 --> 02:52:05,520 to worry about that for a few more years, Okay, I think so 1880 02:52:05,719 --> 02:52:09,639 two plus. Maybe they'll want to come on the trip, right, you 1881 02:52:09,719 --> 02:52:13,319 don't know, and maybe it'd be quicker, so you can come back if 1882 02:52:13,360 --> 02:52:16,000 you want. Is you fear? You fear a lot of things in your 1883 02:52:16,079 --> 02:52:22,879 life, but most don't happen. That's very true, very true, so 1884 02:52:24,000 --> 02:52:31,159 much She and and uh and and his mom who's doctor musk. So two 1885 02:52:31,239 --> 02:52:35,600 musks on one space and then one one person who sounds alike, so you 1886 02:52:35,719 --> 02:52:39,799 know it's been a it's been an interesting trip. I think it's not quite 1887 02:52:39,840 --> 02:52:43,159 a trip to Mars, but you know, a trip that's three fun. 1888 02:52:43,479 --> 02:52:48,040 But but but Catherine, we've got we've got you, We've got will X, 1889 02:52:48,479 --> 02:52:54,879 we've got made video space hosted by Catherine when they come out, can 1890 02:52:54,920 --> 02:53:03,680 we make that happen? Thanks everyone for joining. Really appreciate and really appreciate 1891 02:53:03,760 --> 02:53:07,959 Elon for being here and taking so many questions as well. So thanks everyone, 1892 02:53:07,360 --> 02:53:11,000 and uh, we'll see you in Mars. We'll urg just on the 1893 02:53:11,079 --> 02:53:20,440 platform X whichever congratu there in space somewhere. Goodnight, everybody, it's midnight 1894 02:53:20,520 --> 02:53:22,600 here. Good night, good good night.