WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:08.919 It's time for Coffee and Company. Fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven ninety 2 00:00:09.160 --> 00:00:12.400 Holy crap, I don't know who the hell we think when we are get 3 00:00:12.519 --> 00:00:16.359 off our show. Idiots, the kids are playing or trail off. The 4 00:00:16.440 --> 00:00:20.280 countries are screwing it up. Gold Play Inner Murals, Brother gold Play Inner 5 00:00:20.359 --> 00:00:25.160 Murals. They're supposed to be mature adults, but they're really not. Who's 6 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:29.559 the kid here? Who's the kid here? Are you kidding me? Now? 7 00:00:29.600 --> 00:00:43.439 Here's Nick coffee. Only time will tell how good or bad this three 8 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:47.759 hour radio show is going to go. We got three hours and we're gonna 9 00:00:47.759 --> 00:00:50.560 try to make some magic here. But I will say, as we get 10 00:00:50.560 --> 00:00:56.000 it started here, I already feel like I've won today because there's something like 11 00:00:57.520 --> 00:01:00.759 there's something about I should say, challenging yourself. And it wasn't really like 12 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:03.240 a challenge. I laid out like, Hey, let's see if you can 13 00:01:03.240 --> 00:01:06.120 get it done. But I texted John about thirty minutes ago and I was 14 00:01:06.159 --> 00:01:08.760 like, hey, should be okay, but you never know. I might 15 00:01:08.799 --> 00:01:14.159 be a little late coming from a doctor's appointment, and I thought I might 16 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:17.799 have enough time. But again, there's more people in Louisville than there usually 17 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:21.840 is because we've got the PGA Championship going on. I mean you never know 18 00:01:21.879 --> 00:01:25.879 which I mean, you could literally have bad luck with red lights in downtown 19 00:01:25.920 --> 00:01:30.280 Louisville if in fact, you know you have to like go four blocks five 20 00:01:30.319 --> 00:01:33.239 blocks, which sounds like a lot, but it's really not. And if 21 00:01:33.319 --> 00:01:38.519 lights aren't on your side, you're doubling or maybe tripling the amount of time 22 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:41.400 it will take you to get somewhere. I mean, I'm not exaggerating with 23 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:44.640 that, am I I think that's fair. But ever since I started going 24 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:47.719 the same Catherine route, which I've talked about before on this show, yeah, 25 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:49.680 I hardly ever get burned by lights anymore. And it's because and that 26 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:53.239 is, there's no doubt in my mind, if you put it in your 27 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:59.000 ways your GPS, that would actually probably be a longer trip as far as 28 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:01.799 the amount of distance you're driving, But because of lights, it's the way 29 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:07.799 to go. So I was coming from I had to go seventy one to 30 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:10.759 whatever that exit is. As soon as you're right in front of the bridge 31 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:15.439 and you are so Muhammad Ali something like I All I know is that when 32 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:19.159 I get off of an exit I end up like right behind them center. 33 00:02:19.240 --> 00:02:23.520 So long story short, it was. It was tricky, and I've already 34 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:25.120 already feel like I have a win for the day because I thought we would 35 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:28.280 be like I thought I might have to start the show on the phone. 36 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:30.360 But we got here, we got situated, and it makes me happy. 37 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:34.080 So let's get it started, ladies and gents. It is Coffee and Company. 38 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:37.199 We are fueled by Thornton's here on Sports Talk seven ninety Nick Coffee. 39 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:39.159 That's me the company man, John all In alongside today as we take you 40 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:45.039 up until six o'clock. No guests scheduled today, which is a little rare. 41 00:02:45.080 --> 00:02:47.400 We usually don't get to Wednesday without anybody. But the two people that 42 00:02:47.439 --> 00:02:50.800 I've asked to join me this week have just not been able to make it 43 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:53.840 work. So maybe we do that tomorrow, maybe we do it Friday. 44 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:58.120 But we don't need them. I mean, we appreciate him. Anybody that 45 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:01.800 is like a you know, a regular, there's a reason for that because 46 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:06.800 they contribute to the show. They get the show, they provide what they 47 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:10.960 say, what they call analysis opinions, and we need that right because I 48 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:14.319 mean, you don't want to hear me for three hours straight, do you 49 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:16.479 And that's why I'm letting you guys know if you want to join us, 50 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:20.759 you can five O two five seventy nine hundred is the number. If you 51 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:23.400 want to give us a call, you can text in on the ln N 52 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:27.599 Federal Credit Union text line five O two six five three zero seven ninety. 53 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:32.319 We had a loaded, loaded five o'clock hour yesterday with phone calls and I 54 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:36.479 thought to myself, I wonder what really generated that, and I think it 55 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:38.599 was just by me saying, hey, phone lines are open if you guys 56 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:42.439 want to join us, and it happened. So again, I try to 57 00:03:42.439 --> 00:03:46.039 make this show as interactive as possible, and again we'll keep it rolling today. 58 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:50.039 So plenty of ways for you guys to be a part of the show. 59 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:53.240 I know I've mentioned this throughout the week, but I'll mention it once 60 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:58.639 more. I will be gone next week. I'll be on vacation full week, 61 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:00.360 so uh, you know you won't have me, but you're gonna be 62 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:06.599 in good hands. We've got the company man himself kind of quarterbacking the shift 63 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:13.400 that is three to six pm Drivetime Radio, and then Tuesday and Wednesday it's 64 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:17.360 Scott Fitzgerald correct, correct, and then Tony and Dave on Thursday Friday that's 65 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:23.279 also correct. So look, I I'm I'm gonna say this and because I 66 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:27.519 just want you know my good my boss, Gus Allen. I mean, 67 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:30.040 he's he's he's one of like three bosses that I you know, that I 68 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:36.360 report to essentially, but he's he decides what's gonna happen on Sports Talk seven 69 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:41.759 ninety and that that matter that that you know clearly when I go, when 70 00:04:41.759 --> 00:04:45.079 I go on vacation, what we do He and Jim Finn they figure out 71 00:04:45.079 --> 00:04:49.040 what what's what's gonna happen? And I am so relieved. And I mean 72 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:51.120 this like, no, maybe none of you guys care about this, but 73 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:54.759 if you ever wanted to, you know, hears some behind the scenes stuff. 74 00:04:55.800 --> 00:04:58.480 This is this is what I would call that. When I used to 75 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:01.959 go on vacation, they would just throw it in national meaning you wouldn't hear 76 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:04.319 it. I mean, it would just be I'm not even sure who's on. 77 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:08.879 I'd be Doug Gottlieb, No is he is he? I think it's 78 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:11.439 him. Yeah, I mean I know he's on Sports Talk seven nine, 79 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:13.759 and I know he's on Fox Sports Radio's lineup. I don't really know what 80 00:05:13.759 --> 00:05:16.639 what showed what Tom Slot obviously Cowherd's from noon to three. It may be 81 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:19.759 it may be Gottlieb, and then after that is it Cavino and Rich Yeah, 82 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:24.399 that's after us. Yeah, so it probably is Gottlieb. So you 83 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:28.360 know, and look clearly he's I mean, he's all. I mean, 84 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:33.560 there's many many markets across the country that don't have local uh sports radio programming. 85 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:38.000 So therefore, like Doug Gottlieb, like love him or hate him, 86 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:41.879 Fox Sports thinks he's good enough to where he's on in a bunch of cities. 87 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:45.360 So it's not like I'm saying our you know, national sucks. But 88 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:50.279 I always hated knowing that it was gonna be now because it just it. 89 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:54.879 It sucked for me, and I would go on vacation and try not to 90 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:57.519 think about work. But I'm like, hey, well if people just get 91 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:00.600 used to this national show with no local flavor at all, like a lot 92 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:03.079 of people, even if these guys are brilliant when it comes to like and 93 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:08.000 I'm sure I'm not I'm not surprising a lot of you, but like national 94 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:13.079 shows in this market don't do well as far as like listenership. I'm sure 95 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:15.920 they have some people that really like him. In fact, there's probably somebody 96 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:17.160 thinking right now, damn, I wish you guys would go national all the 97 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:25.040 time, get you local hacks off the airwaves. But nobody else is talking, 98 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:28.160 you know, about what's going on around here other than local shows in 99 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:30.839 this market. So I want to thank us, Allen, because now when 100 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:32.759 I go on vacation, like I know whoever it is, if it's John, 101 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:35.839 if it's if it's Scott, or they're doing Tony and Dave, like 102 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:39.680 it's it, you know, And I can't promise those guys are gonna be 103 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:42.160 phenomenal. I mean, they may be better than me. I might get 104 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:44.879 Wally pipped and they just realize, you know what, Nick, you had 105 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:47.120 a good run. But we're gonna we're gonna leave Scott Fitzgerald in here. 106 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:49.399 He's great. And I'm a little worried about that because you know, one 107 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:51.639 thing, we know, Scott's gonna give it his best. That's the man. 108 00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:55.040 He is the man. But like, don't be the man too much, 109 00:06:55.040 --> 00:06:58.279 Scott. Whenever I'm whenever I'm out. But I used to be on 110 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:00.360 vacation and like think, man, well, they're gonna you know, it 111 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:05.000 would it would take a while, and I don't know how much the numbers 112 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:11.160 the analytics are really worth when it comes to how we gauge listenership, Like 113 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:14.399 you can get everything with digital, but as far as like terrestial radio, 114 00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:16.240 there's no way to know at any point, like how many people are listening, 115 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:19.399 so you know, you have your journals and then you can use the 116 00:07:19.399 --> 00:07:24.680 stuff. But we do have a good ability to you know know listenership with 117 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:28.600 you know stream And every time it would happen like it would take a while 118 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:30.160 to get people back on board because you know, you didn't have it for 119 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:33.199 a week. And I know that whenever there's going to be some familiarity, 120 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:36.279 right like people that you clearly hear on our family of stations here at Ihart 121 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:40.759 Louisville, it's it's great. So I'm glad to know that, like they're 122 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:42.959 not just going to throw it to a national guy whenever I'm gone, because 123 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:46.360 it didn't used to be that way, and because I'm you know, somebody 124 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:50.480 that is just obsessed with you know this and always wanting to be able to 125 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:54.399 do this for as long as I can. You know, I would be 126 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:57.560 on vacation where I should be relaxing and not thinking about work, and I'd 127 00:07:57.560 --> 00:07:59.720 be thinking, Okay, well, you know, I bet it'll take me 128 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:03.199 two months to get the listeners back because you know, out of sight, 129 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:05.560 out of mind, right, Like this may surprise you, John, But 130 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:07.600 there are people who listen to the show, but like if they're not, 131 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:09.439 they're not thinking about it when they're not listening, you know what I mean. 132 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:11.040 Like that's fair, so say they may try something else. And I 133 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:13.800 think part of it too, is like when you come into these off season 134 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:18.040 months anyway, and they do drop off during that week when you're gone, 135 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:20.720 they may think, well, there's not really anything going on, and they 136 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:22.199 get used to that week that you mentioned, and so it is tough. 137 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:24.680 I don't want people to forget about me. No, that's what it comes 138 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:28.360 down. I don't forget about Coffee and Company. I hope, I hope 139 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:31.720 not. And I hope that one day every time that I'm not available to 140 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:33.799 do the show, rather it be vacation or I don't know, a sick 141 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:37.600 day or something like that, that it is you, the company man himself 142 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:41.679 that runs that runs the show just got to grow the nass. Well, 143 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:43.080 you you've already. I mean, you've kind of mean you did it while 144 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:46.799 I was out on Thursday. It's the base for taking care. But but 145 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:50.960 that's something and I and I won't put words in your mouth. And I 146 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:56.399 don't even know if I've asked you this directly, but I said beforehand, 147 00:08:56.720 --> 00:09:00.399 just doing that and kind of you know, throw into some best ofs just 148 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:05.039 kind of again quarterbacking the the shift there, like once you do it and 149 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:07.120 you realize, hey, this isn't that difficult, like you you probably felt 150 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:09.759 much better after the fact, right, Yeah, that's true. Do you 151 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:11.679 mean that? Are you just saying I know, I'm dead serious. Okay, 152 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:15.799 it's it's one of those things where getting enough reps with it and then 153 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:18.919 maybe adding some things to it here and there. I think that'll help me 154 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:22.679 get used to it. Yeah. So I wish it was you the whole 155 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:24.840 week, but hey, Scott Fitzgerald's gonna do a great job. And I'll 156 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:28.279 chime in with Scott. He's a great yeah, yeah, and it'll it'll 157 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:33.240 you know. I'm just a little worried about Tony and Day not not worried 158 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:35.840 about him, because clearly they they they've held down this this ship this time 159 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:39.639 slot on seven ninety for I mean they have they haven't in a while, 160 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:43.080 but when they did, I mean, they had a great run. But 161 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:46.279 you never know, I mean Venetti, he's always a wild card. I'm 162 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:48.399 always you know, I'm always a little worried about what he's going to do. 163 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:52.360 But anyways, let's let's dive in, shall we. So there's a 164 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:56.720 lot to get into today. But what I'll do after our first break now 165 00:09:56.759 --> 00:10:00.440 that Louisville has added Case and Pryor, and you know, the moment Minim 166 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:03.799 continues to well, I shouldn't speak to momentum because momentum would indicate that they 167 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:07.120 have more guys on the way they're about to get and I don't know if 168 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:09.200 that's happening or not. I hope. So I think there's you know, 169 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:13.480 there's some there's some meaning truly Donovan. I was gonna say some people, 170 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:18.679 but it's really truly Donovan, who continues to be adamant that Louisville has already 171 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:22.559 had a great portal hall so far, and they're not done yet. So 172 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:26.639 what I want to do is lay out best case scenario for the rest of 173 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:33.639 these three scholarships, because I think in my opinion, because in my opinion 174 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:37.759 is best case scenario is not like some far fetched thing. I think it's 175 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:43.519 actually maybe not probable, but like it's of the three scholarships that are left, 176 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:48.279 I think you could land three guys that right now, nobody would say 177 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:50.679 that, like, wow, that's a shocker that you landed one of these 178 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:54.480 three. I mean Cason Pryor was that guy. I mean, he was 179 00:10:54.519 --> 00:11:00.799 always connected to Louisville. But I'm willing to gamble money if this was something 180 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:05.120 I could gamble on. The way this played out was that as soon as 181 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:09.919 Osabor was off the board, they were able to go at someone like casein 182 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:13.840 Pryor a little bit differently than they had before because of money that they didn't 183 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:16.639 have to spend with Osibor. And look, you could probably you know, 184 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:20.639 I you know, you never know what agents and players really feel like they 185 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:26.759 deserve. Because I still think that if I'm a player that is a you 186 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:28.440 know, a good like if I maybe I don't think I'm gonna get two 187 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:33.639 million from Washington like Osibor got, but also I would think like, well, 188 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:37.320 if I was thinking to myself, I'm getting eighty k now I'm gonna 189 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:39.919 get more than that because this guy got two million, and like he might 190 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:43.519 be a little better than me, but not by much. So we'll see. 191 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:48.159 But I feel like avoiding whatever the price tag actually was that Louisville was 192 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:52.080 willing to pay for osibor, I feel like the money you saved by not 193 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:54.679 doing that might be a scenario where you could end up literally getting the three 194 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:58.960 guys that you want here. So we'll get into that coming up after this 195 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:01.720 first first break they have here coming up in about five minutes or so. 196 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:07.720 Also, this is there's never anything entertaining, at least that I can remember 197 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:11.919 that comes from the ACC Spring meetings. However, this situation is a little 198 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:16.639 bit is a little bit different because you have the ACC Spring Meetings going on 199 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:20.919 and the you know, two of the bigger brands in your conference, Clemson 200 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:26.240 in Florida State, like they're suing the conference, the conference is counter suing 201 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:31.519 them, Like this is far from normal, and the dynamic there is just 202 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:37.840 weird. But also the leader of the Atlantic Coast Conference, his name is 203 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:45.440 Jim Phillips, and I remember seeing Jim Phillips. Hearing Jim Phillips for the 204 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:48.159 first time. It was a few years ago back at the ACC Football Media 205 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:52.840 days in Charlotte, And obviously I knew that they had replaced Swafford with Jim 206 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:56.840 Phillips, but I, you know, I didn't. I wouldn't have been 207 00:12:56.840 --> 00:13:00.480 able to pick him out of a lineup, and I didn't know a whole 208 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:05.159 lot about him other than he came from being an athletic director, I believe 209 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:09.120 it Northwestern, prior to be being the commissioner here. And I remember sitting 210 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:15.240 at Radio Row. They'd started the you know, the I guess the what 211 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:18.960 do you call it? The the State of the Union essentially right where he's 212 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:22.240 talking before you know, he essentially kicks off the event where he talks. 213 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:24.720 And this was the first time he'd been in that position, right, it 214 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:28.879 was his first year. And I couldn't see him from where I was, 215 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:31.720 from where they had us set up. He was in like the ballroom about 216 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:35.120 I don't know, twenty yards across from me, and I couldn't see the 217 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:39.320 podium. But we ended up just picking up the live feed of him talking, 218 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:43.679 you know, you know which, by the way, like when you 219 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:46.159 were at an event like that, you feel like like that's what you should 220 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:48.440 do, you know, because you're there for the coverage. But man, 221 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:50.559 Like, now that I can reflect a little bit, I'm thinking, like, 222 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:54.480 man, everybody was like snoozefest, turning this off, like who wants 223 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:56.200 to hear this? But anyways, I remember thinking like, man, you 224 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:58.960 know what, I don't know a a lot about this guy. But I 225 00:13:58.960 --> 00:14:03.000 don't. I don't really, I don't really sense a whole lot of that's 226 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:11.159 the right word to use. I'm going to instead of throwing one out there 227 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:13.799 that would make me look like a fool even more than I typically do. 228 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:18.039 Like he just didn't have it as far as like owning a room right, 229 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:24.879 like holding court, like conveying leadership qualities right. Sometimes when you have somebody 230 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:30.320 like that, you know, in that position, just hearing them kind of 231 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:33.639 say what they're supposed to say but say it in a way can kind of 232 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:37.639 put you at ease. And he didn't do that. But you know, 233 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:39.840 I didn't. You know, at that time, I'm thinking, you know, 234 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:41.519 who cares? This guy's kind of boring? You know what, a 235 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:46.600 lot of commissioners across college sports, they're probably pretty boring guys when it comes 236 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:50.879 to speaking in those kind of situations. But I remember being unimpressed, and 237 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:56.120 since then, at every step Jim Phillips has been unimpressive. And some of 238 00:14:56.120 --> 00:15:00.440 the things that I want to share with you guys that have happened at these 239 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:03.879 meetings that are going on, which honestly, I don't even know what it 240 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:05.919 is, Like, what do they do just get together and chat? Like 241 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:11.840 I honestly don't know what the conference likes. I mean, what gets done? 242 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:13.120 Is it just a pow wow? Is it just to kind of share 243 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:16.759 thoughts clear the air on some things? Like I don't really know what actually 244 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:20.840 happens when these meetings take place. But there's a little more tension on this 245 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:26.000 than there usually is because of the ACC's weird situation with Again, they're two 246 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:30.320 bigger brands in the conference suing the league trying to get out of that grant 247 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:31.919 of rights. But there are some things I'll share with you that Jim Phillips 248 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:35.960 has either said or just some things that have taken place that you probably won't 249 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:39.120 believe. You're gonna think I'm making it up like this guy, Like the 250 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:41.960 ACC has its own problems, and to be fair to Jim Phillips, the 251 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:50.000 ACC financially is in a spot that he had nothing to do with the decision 252 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:56.480 from Swafford to lock in till twenty thirty six, in what two thousand and 253 00:15:56.559 --> 00:16:00.159 eighteen or something, twenty and sixteen, whenever it was, Nobody does that 254 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:06.159 right. That's insane to not account for the fact that, you know what, 255 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:10.600 money could be a lot different in even four or five years. So 256 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:15.000 they're locked in and everybody else in every other league is going to continue to 257 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:18.159 have more revenue. And that's a big problem. That is the biggest reason 258 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:22.039 I think why you see Clemson in Florida State trying to get out. And 259 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:23.600 I guarantee you none of them said it, but we all know it. 260 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:30.679 Every single athletic director slash president at these meetings knows that if they somehow got 261 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:36.200 an invitation to the Big Ten, to the or to the SEC, they 262 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:37.759 would take it. Now again, they may not be able to because of 263 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:41.559 the deal they're locked into and what would be owed to get out of the 264 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:45.600 grain of rights. But the ACC has issues that really don't have a whole 265 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:51.840 lot to do with anything Jim Phillips did. But when you're looking to hear 266 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:56.039 something that tells you this guy is a leader, He's going to get this 267 00:16:56.159 --> 00:17:00.480 figured out. We're in good hands. He's got it. Jim Phillips gives 268 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:06.880 me zero confidence that this the league's gonna be dead soon, I think so. 269 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:11.759 I hope that's not the case, but Louisville will land somewhere. And 270 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:15.720 again, I wish I could match the energy that some have about the conference 271 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:18.759 affiliation. You know, I'm you know, Louisville not being you know, 272 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:21.680 Louisville going to like the American or something like that would be a disaster, 273 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:25.839 right, or maybe the ACC becomes something that's not the ACC and it's just 274 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:29.559 the leftovers that wouldn't be ideal. But you know, here's one thing I 275 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:32.799 can tell every fan. We can't control it. We have no control. 276 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:36.640 There's nothing you could do to make any impact on where Louisville would land if 277 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:38.400 this league blew up. So just you know, we'll see what happens. 278 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:45.680 Right, Also, we can we all just agree. And I'm talking to 279 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:48.799 Louisville fans here because you know, and maybe I shouldn't say this, but 280 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:53.720 like I it's just a pet pee for me going back and forth with Kentucky 281 00:17:53.720 --> 00:18:00.079 fans and just with you know, any college basketball fan about transfer portal rankings. 282 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:06.480 I mean, the inconsistency at every outlet. And that's not really a 283 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:10.400 knock on the I mean, it's tough to know, like what you like, 284 00:18:10.759 --> 00:18:12.400 you know, how you truly value a guy that's coming from the mid 285 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:15.559 majors and where he's going, because there's some that look at you know, 286 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:21.960 like you can honestly unless you're just like a very irrelevant program that doesn't have 287 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:26.079 like the ability to just go grab a big name in the portal like a 288 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:30.799 Boston College or like a Vanderbilt or something like that, if you're somebody that's 289 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:33.519 in in the top of the food chain here. And I don't mean like 290 00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:36.440 the elite of the elite, like right now you've got clearly Yukon who's running 291 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:40.920 college basketball, but like, if you've done decent in the portal, Let's 292 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:42.400 put it this way. If you've done decent in the portal in college basketball, 293 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:47.240 and John, I know you know this too, you can find one 294 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:49.160 of these rankings that makes you feel justified that your team did the best. 295 00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:53.079 Yes, you know what I'm like, it's just not consistent, which you 296 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:56.759 know again, I actually I actually like that in a way because it's it's 297 00:18:56.839 --> 00:19:00.480 telling me that these they're not copy off each other. Just to all look 298 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:04.200 like they're on the same page. You know, you got somebody that has 299 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:07.759 Terrence Edwards Junior as one of the top ten players that entered the portal. 300 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:11.279 You have somebody that has him in the seventies, Umar Bollo the number one 301 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:14.480 and on three, and I believe in one of the other ones he's like 302 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:17.799 forty. Yeah. I mean, it's just so I just can't you know. 303 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:21.920 I sometimes people want me on the text line to kind of like, 304 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:26.839 you know, get into the weeds with fans of mostly Kentucky fans about like 305 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:30.839 Louisville's class being better. But I just like, again, like it's just 306 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:34.039 nobody knows. We had a caller yesterday that said something that is pretty obvious, 307 00:19:34.079 --> 00:19:37.079 but I needed to hear it, like nobody has a clue how good 308 00:19:37.079 --> 00:19:40.559 of these guys are going to be. Like there are plenty of guys who've 309 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:44.720 transferred that you thought would be great, that were all right. There were 310 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:48.680 guys that you never heard of, like that team that landed such and such 311 00:19:48.759 --> 00:19:52.279 transfer didn't get a big note, Like they didn't get a big bump like, 312 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:55.400 oh wow, can you believe this program got this guy to transfer in? 313 00:19:55.640 --> 00:19:56.920 And then you look at the end of the season they were, you 314 00:19:56.960 --> 00:20:03.480 know, all conference. So I do love that we get free agency season 315 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:06.599 and you have the chance to really change everything just by adding guys in the 316 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:10.240 portal. But like I just I can't. I can't fake it that. 317 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:12.079 I'm like, yeah, eat that, Kentucky fans. Once you go check 318 00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:15.480 out the Athletics Transfer portal rankings, we're number one and you're number eight. 319 00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:18.680 Because it's like again, you can find whatever you want to make you feel 320 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:23.359 whatever way you want. All right, don't go anywhere. It is Coffee 321 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:25.799 and Company. If you want to join us on the show, you can. 322 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:27.799 Five O two five seven seventy nine hundred is the number to give us 323 00:20:27.799 --> 00:20:30.640 a call. 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But went to Central Hardin High School just south of 331 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:11.000 Louisville in e Town, and you know was I mean not only was he 332 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:18.039 a really good kicker, he was somebody that did it during a phenomenal run 333 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:21.599 for Louisville football that I will always remember. I mean, I've talked about 334 00:21:21.640 --> 00:21:26.359 it before. The Charlie Strong era at Louisville football was so monumental as far 335 00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:30.319 as timing great success. A lot of players that we all remember because of 336 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:34.839 the success in because they went on to have careers in the NFL. But 337 00:21:36.200 --> 00:21:38.440 yeah, thirty one years old, he has passed away. I know he 338 00:21:38.559 --> 00:21:45.880 was working in Louisville for a corporation and just really sad. He played from 339 00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:51.240 twenty twelve to twenty fifteen, so the majority of his career was under coach 340 00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:55.519 Strong, but he did play for Bobby Vatrino. My belief for actually maybe 341 00:21:55.640 --> 00:22:00.000 a year, maybe two, but yeah, four straight Bowl appearances with him 342 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:03.480 is with his help, including that went over Florida and the Sugar Bowl, 343 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:10.519 which I still maintain is the most monumental when Louisville Football's had in my lifetime, 344 00:22:10.559 --> 00:22:12.440 probably ever, but he had two field goals in that game. Wasn't 345 00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:17.640 needed a whole lot because the offense was rolling in that victory. But he 346 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:21.559 was sixteen to twenty one in that year and made ten of his first eleven 347 00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:26.720 kicks to start that season. His only miss was a fifty seven yard attempt, 348 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:32.359 which of course was big. But what I remember about John Wallace was 349 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:37.359 against Cincinnati in overtime at that time. You know, rival Kegan nails right, 350 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:41.640 and I believe Brian Kelly was still there at that time. I could 351 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:45.119 be wrong, but I think it was Brian Kelly still, unless my memory 352 00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:48.400 is just off, but either way, it went overtime, close game. 353 00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:52.720 I remember they were all white uniforms and he was raining, but those white 354 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:55.920 uniforms looked phenomenal. Devonte Parker had a big game, but it was a 355 00:22:55.960 --> 00:23:00.480 thirty yard field goal from John Wallace that gave them the victory walk off, 356 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:02.920 if you will, thirty four to thirty one in overtime. So he still 357 00:23:02.920 --> 00:23:06.640 holds the record at U of L with sixty six field goals made during his 358 00:23:06.759 --> 00:23:11.279 four seasons, and he's it's just so young, thirty one years old. 359 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:18.720 So condolences to his family and obviously to the Louisville football family. Just really 360 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:23.599 really sad. All Right, we'll try to gracefully transition here. It is 361 00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:26.480 coffee and company, and we are fueled by Thornton's here on Sports Talk seven 362 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:29.880 ninety. 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But I'll start with 371 00:23:55.960 --> 00:24:00.319 the best case scenario for Louisville as far as the rest of the roster. 372 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:07.279 Right now, they have ten players and three more are are hopefully going to 373 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:10.079 be added. Right I still think when you get down to that last spot, 374 00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:11.920 it really just kind of depends on what you're selling there, right, 375 00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:17.160 Because when you've got one spot available and everybody that you've brought in is somebody 376 00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:21.200 that is coming from a different program where they've already played and had a role, 377 00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:23.519 I just think that's a tougher sell. But again, if it's somebody 378 00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:29.759 that's young and is willing to take a you know, an attractive NIL situation 379 00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:33.119 and wants to play for Pat Kelcey and is willing to buy some time, 380 00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:38.759 then you know, sign them up. But I think, and I want 381 00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:41.599 to be clear here, I'm not like I don't follow this stuff as closely 382 00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:45.279 as some others. I follow it as best I can. You know, 383 00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:48.640 I'm somebody that you know does check out the truly Donovan discord, But like 384 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:51.000 I don't, you know, I don't have but to be honest with you, 385 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:53.000 I feel better with that said, because I don't think that there are 386 00:24:53.759 --> 00:24:57.319 many insiders, even those that cover Louisville specifically, that have had any kind 387 00:24:57.359 --> 00:25:00.400 of a leg up on the one one and the only Trillie Donovan, but 388 00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:07.359 the latest on Ugo Ugana and Yinso the transfer from Kentucky. He is going 389 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:15.000 through the NBA draft combine and he has to my knowledge like zero zero buzz 390 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:19.680 for the draft, which is understandable. But Louisville and North Carolina appear to 391 00:25:19.720 --> 00:25:23.839 be the schools that are, you know, the threats here. Right he's 392 00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:30.000 still listing Oklahoma, Mississippi State in Alabama, but I believe on three Sports 393 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:33.720 is the one that said that. It's the quote here from Joe Tipton and 394 00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:37.400 on three two schools that I view as legitimate threats here are Louisville and North 395 00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:41.160 Carolina. So you know, you just added a big and you can play 396 00:25:42.119 --> 00:25:45.480 case in prior at the five, but he's more of a natural four, 397 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:48.359 and I think you're still going to see lineups where they do play him at 398 00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:52.279 the five and it's just playing small ball. And obviously still have James Scott, 399 00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:56.519 who I think is a true five, rim protector, rim runner, 400 00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:00.799 good athlete. But you know, if you could add another guy like Ugo, 401 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:03.920 that would be I mean, that would be a nice addition, especially 402 00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:07.119 when you're getting into your pasture. You've already added ten guys. Now I 403 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:11.799 know one won't play because of actually two won't play because of red shirting, 404 00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:17.880 and that's the two Ali Khalifa, which again I'm still I still don't know. 405 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:19.839 I still think there's a chance he might actually end up not red shirting, 406 00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:25.599 but we'll see. And then obviously Kobe I got it wrong yesterday. 407 00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:27.720 Was it Kobe Rodgers? Yes? I think yeah, from from was who 408 00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:32.920 was a I mean I didn't I knew of that guy because he obviously was 409 00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:34.160 one of Charleston's better players last year, but I didn't know his story. 410 00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:37.319 I mean, that's Pat Kelsey lost some dudes to the portal after they had 411 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:41.519 a phenomenal season in twenty twenty three. Well he had to go back to 412 00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:45.400 the portal and and and replace those guys, and one of them was Kobe 413 00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:51.400 Rodgers, who was a Division two national champion and from Cincinnati where Kelse is 414 00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:55.440 from, and brought him in and he was a key guy. So anyways, 415 00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:57.839 if you could add Ugo, I mean, at this point, I 416 00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:03.440 because you've because you just got Case and Pryor it's not as I mean, 417 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:04.160 by the way, even if you didn't have Case and Prior, I think 418 00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:07.400 you would still take Hugo just because you need more players at that position. 419 00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:11.640 We did have somebody on the text line who sent in the and that's where 420 00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:15.880 I'm referencing from By the way, somebody sent a screenshot of the Joe Tipton 421 00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:18.319 right up about Hugo, and you know, Louisville, Carolina kind of believed 422 00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:22.759 to be the leaders there, and they reminded me that they hope he wasn't 423 00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:26.920 listening that day, that you know that. I I don't think I was 424 00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:30.720 mean to him. It was more about nil in general, right, Like, 425 00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:34.559 he can't control what the market is. But a guy who you know, 426 00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:38.920 played in twenty four games last year and averaged four points and three rebounds 427 00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:45.480 for the market value to be three hundred thousand dollars. I mean, come 428 00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:49.279 on, like what and to be fair, like, if Louisville's got nil 429 00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:53.400 money currently to use and they got they got to spread it out as best 430 00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:57.000 as they can. However they choose to get three more guys. I mean, 431 00:27:57.119 --> 00:28:00.359 if Ugo is like the most, I mean, I I don't. 432 00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:02.599 I don't think he's that big of a necessity. I would take him, 433 00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:06.319 and I think he could be a good rim protector, not an offensive threat 434 00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:11.279 by and he means unless he really, you know, really improves, but 435 00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:14.720 he did. He did have the longest wingspan at the NBA Draft combine, 436 00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:18.000 so you know, you're you'd be adding an elite rim protector with really good 437 00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:22.279 length. But yes, I would, you know, I would, I 438 00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:25.680 would say this. I hope he would never make a college decision based off 439 00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:27.720 of what some loudmouth on the radio says. But yes, that just kind 440 00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:32.240 of I don't I remember thinking like, what are you doing? Why you 441 00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:33.759 while you're railing on this kid. He mean, he's probably not even gonna 442 00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:37.960 come here, but he just to see the stat line and know that he's 443 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:41.440 being shot for three hundred k like it just did. It's insanity. So 444 00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:45.880 he would be given where you are, in my opinion, a really nice 445 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:49.359 like one of your final pieces. Noah Waterman, I've not heard a whole 446 00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:52.559 lot since two days ago, and man, that doesn't sound like a long 447 00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:56.720 time and it's not. But man, things move so quickly, especially in 448 00:28:56.759 --> 00:29:00.880 the portal. So he's a six' eleven four who can shoot it again. 449 00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:04.359 Transferred into BYU last year averaged nine and a half points five and a 450 00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:07.559 half board shot at thirty eight percent from three. I mean, not only 451 00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:12.559 is he another interior player that you need he play, he fits the system 452 00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:18.240 very well and it sounds like he's already kind of high on Louisville from some 453 00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:21.640 previous conversation somehow. I don't know if it was tampering or what, but 454 00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:23.920 one of the big factors is that Ali Khalifa, his former teammate at BYU, 455 00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:26.200 is already in the mix here at Louisville, and it sounds like he's 456 00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:30.960 doing his best to help them recruit. So the last scholarship, if it 457 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:36.279 goes to Kahani Ruth's the four star, top forty kid from the twenty twenty 458 00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:40.680 four class freshman to be. I believe that that is your best case scenario. 459 00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:47.400 I believe that that would be a thirteen thirteen man roster, all put 460 00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:51.119 together, all new guys that I would sit back and say, look, 461 00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:52.000 we'll have to wait and see. We have no clue how it's all going 462 00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.759 to work, right, We have no clue. I mean, it's the 463 00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:00.920 ultimate unknown. I think that's actually the best way. I mean, I 464 00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:04.000 think that's the most accurate way to kind of describe the debut season for Pat 465 00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:07.039 Kelsey. But I'm not gonna hammer on that because that sounds negative. That 466 00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:11.400 sounds like you have already have doubt and I don't. But you have a 467 00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:15.799 brand new coach that is coaching thirteen players, some of them have played before 468 00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:19.519 him before, but like your key guys are not guys that came from Charleston. 469 00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:23.680 So I mean, it is the ultimate unknown. We have no clue 470 00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:26.960 how it's all gonna work out. I mean, I think it could work 471 00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:30.720 out great, and I'm going to continue to believe that because I love the 472 00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:33.559 personnel. They've had it at this point and they're not done yet. So 473 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:37.759 again, if that's how it ends up finishing. By the way, all 474 00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:42.880 three of those things happening are not unrealistic. They're not you know, they're 475 00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:48.240 not. It's not something that you would say, wow, like I can't 476 00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:52.559 believe that happened, right, So you know, with that said, it 477 00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:57.440 could happen. And I think fans would have to look at Pat Kelsey's first 478 00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:03.160 offseason as he just got the job and say, job well done. Doesn't 479 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:06.240 mean it's gonna lead to you know, a tournament appearance doesn't mean it's gonna 480 00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:11.599 lead to a bunch of wins. But I would be very very encouraged and 481 00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:15.279 and and excited. And I'm already excited. I think they've already done a 482 00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:18.119 great job. But if it ended up finishing with those three. I mean, 483 00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:22.039 I would say, I don't know if you could have done much better. 484 00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:23.400 I don't know if when he got hired, I could have said, 485 00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:27.559 he, you know, would have done anywhere close to that good. And 486 00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:30.839 I know I've already got a couple of people that have mentioned Nick what about 487 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:34.079 Coleman Hawkins that I guess that would that would potentially be a better scenario, 488 00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:38.440 because he's really good. But I just don't I don't think that's I don't 489 00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:42.440 think that's that realistic. If so, that'd be great, But I think 490 00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:45.240 landing case in Pryor would is gonna make it tough. I mean, I 491 00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:48.400 think, honestly, those two guys are the same player. I mean, 492 00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:53.720 clearly, i'd say, you know, I'd say the better defender overall is 493 00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:59.960 Prior. The better rim protector would be Hawkins. Hawkins is a better shooter, 494 00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:05.920 but I think the better athlete is Prior. So I just think it'd 495 00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:08.920 be tough to see him want to prioritize Louisville meaning Hawkins, now that they've 496 00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:13.720 added Prior. Look, I think somebody had him ranked as like the seventy 497 00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:16.799 eighth best transfer, which you know, who cares. We'll never know actually 498 00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:21.240 where these guys fall in line when it comes to players that enter the portal. 499 00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:27.200 But I think the schools that were in on him really tell you the 500 00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:30.119 value there and what you're getting, right, I mean Rick Bettino at Saint 501 00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:31.599 John's who By the way, I didn't realize this. He really needed that 502 00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:36.880 kind of a piece for his team. Arkansas and Caliperry they were in. 503 00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:39.480 I guess Villanova kind of faded away a little bit, but that was a 504 00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:44.160 big get for Kelsey, no doubt. All right, quick break, we'll 505 00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:46.480 come back on the other side. Keep this thing rolling along. Get to 506 00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:49.799 the text line. Some good stuff coming in. If you want to give 507 00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:52.039 a call, you can do that too. A lot of people call and 508 00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:54.960 hang up. Like if you would have called John and just talk to him, 509 00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:59.559 I'll give you his number. Now. I do know people do want 510 00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:00.160 to call some time and just like hey, I want to go on the 511 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:01.799 air. But I wanted to tell you this. In fact, we had 512 00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:06.400 everybody breaking the neuce to us that case, and Pryor committed yesterday. So 513 00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:08.960 if you want to talk to John, I get it, But like, 514 00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:13.119 come on, I've got an ego to maintain here. If you guys want 515 00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:16.240 to just call and talk about producer. What am I doing here? All 516 00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:19.960 right, let's go to the lenn Federal Credit Union TEX line five O two 517 00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:22.160 six five three zero seven ninety. This is good question, says Nick. 518 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:25.839 Of all the players that have transferred out many are staying in the ACC, 519 00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:31.680 who is it that you think could potentially give us the most issues? So 520 00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:36.480 I think the obvious answer would be in C State if you're talking team, 521 00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:42.119 just because Mike James and Brandon Huntley Hatfield could end up being productive. I 522 00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:45.160 mean, I don't know a lot about what Kevin Keats is bringing back, 523 00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:50.359 don't know exactly what he's done in the portal, But Mike James and Brendon 524 00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:55.720 Huntley Hatfield especially, those are guys that I think we're nowhere near like a 525 00:33:55.759 --> 00:34:00.240 reason why Louisville sucked under Kenny Payne. Like, I think those gys are 526 00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:04.759 actually pretty talented, especially Hatfield. He really came on late, and I 527 00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:08.960 was very surprised, very surprised that he didn't get more like he was not 528 00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:13.599 at any point that I saw somebody that was like a high value guy in 529 00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:20.400 the portal. And I get it because Louisville sucked and as we've discussed. 530 00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:22.920 When it comes to how Pat Kelsey has put together his roster. You want 531 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:28.679 to go get guys who have a have are familiar with winning, right, 532 00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:34.360 They've been a part of a culture, they've had a buy in to make 533 00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:38.960 their program that they played for successful and unfortunately for BHH, like that's just 534 00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:42.719 I mean and Mike James, I mean that that just didn't happen. So 535 00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:46.360 talent levels there, but I think those two guys are good dudes and are 536 00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:52.639 hungry as hell to win because they've not done it here at Louisville. Huntley 537 00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:54.280 Hatfield had some success at Tennessee, but he didn't play a whole lot down 538 00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:58.079 the stretch there before he transferred. So you know, I think those guys 539 00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:00.519 could be you know, could be good for Kevin Keats and you know Louis's 540 00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:05.760 gonna have to play. And we know that one name that I that I 541 00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:07.280 talked about last week, and I guess I haven't discussed it on the show 542 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:10.960 since it happened. But like Tyler Johnson was as quiet as can be as 543 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:16.280 anybody in the portal, never heard anything about visits which schools are involved. 544 00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:21.880 I mean, it was it was silence and over the weekend he committed to 545 00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:25.639 Wake Forest to play for Steve Forbes. I think Tyler or if everything works 546 00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:29.400 out, And what I mean by that is like academically, it sounds like 547 00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:30.800 one of the reasons why he did not get a whole lot of interest is 548 00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:35.239 because there were a lot of folks that thought academically like he wouldn't be able 549 00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:40.960 to transfer, in which I don't know a whole lot about how all that 550 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:44.400 works. But he's a guy who was only in school one year. I 551 00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:46.960 mean, it's not as if he's transferring from three different schools collectively with his 552 00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:52.840 you know, his you know, his degree and his overall academic situation. 553 00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:59.840 So he was eligible to play at Louisville. And you don't have to make 554 00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:01.239 grades to be eligible to play at the high level. I mean you could 555 00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:05.559 have You could be a very very bad student and still be able to actually 556 00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:08.440 be eligible to play. In fact, if you ever hear of a guy 557 00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:13.159 who like is ineligible because of grades, they just didn't go to school, 558 00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:16.639 like they just clearly did not they didn't do anything. Because it takes very 559 00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:20.400 little to just be eligible. That's why you can go to you can go 560 00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:24.519 to school four years and you know, stay eligible, but you may be 561 00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:30.320 like two years away from your degree. So it was very, very puzzling 562 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:32.719 to me when it comes to Tyler Ore, which honestly, that's the same 563 00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:37.320 thing that happened when he was in high school. If you remember, he 564 00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:43.000 was committed to was it Memphis and Penny Penny at Memphis and then it opened 565 00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:45.320 up and then like you never really heard anything. He was available. He 566 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:50.480 was coming off that overtime elite season that ye had, the overtime elite league 567 00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:53.039 that he played in, and out of nowhere he became an addition for Louisville 568 00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:55.440 and it was a good get. I mean, and he at times he 569 00:36:55.480 --> 00:37:00.400 was your best player last year, but it could be maybe academic, but 570 00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:05.119 you know, Tyler Orr, he was you know this is not in defense 571 00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:07.480 of Kenny Payne, trust me, but like he wasn't real coachable, and 572 00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:10.880 I think that has kind of, I think at times been evident, Like 573 00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:14.880 if you're watching film on him at Louisville, and I don't know why you 574 00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:16.320 would because it would make you not win any of those players if I'm being 575 00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:21.119 honestly, that you'd have to watch highlights specifically, But you know, at 576 00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:24.400 times like he and in the moment I probably said he was justified, but 577 00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:27.760 like he had a bad attitude towards coaches. I mean, he did, 578 00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:30.559 and maybe it was justified because of how bad things were going. And he's 579 00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:35.960 young, so I'm not holding it against him. But I think from New 580 00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:39.920 York where he's from, to the overtime Elite League to Louisville, it's carried 581 00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:44.679 with him that maybe he's not the most coachable guy, and that matters, 582 00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:52.039 especially when you've got so many options as a coach now to fill a spot. 583 00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:55.159 You know what I'm saying, Like, if he's one of four dudes 584 00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:58.800 and you got to pick, you know, one of those four, Like, 585 00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:00.320 clearly he'd probably be, you know, somebody that you want if he 586 00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:05.039 gets that desperate. But guardsman in the portal, especially dudes that are coming 587 00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:07.159 off of one season where they played for a team that won eight games, 588 00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:10.599 Like I guess it makes a little more sense that he wasn't that attractive to 589 00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:14.920 coaches. But I think he's talented. It can be and I think if 590 00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:17.239 he really buys in and honestly, Steve Forbes is a hard ass, but 591 00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:22.599 he's a guy that is so energetic players love playing for him. I remember 592 00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:24.320 when he you know, you guys, give you an example, Chris Jones 593 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:29.599 at Louisville, right, Chris Jones. You guys remember Chris Jones. He 594 00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:35.360 played for Steve Forbes at Northwest Florida JUCO. And I'm pretty sure Chris Jones 595 00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:38.559 at every point in his career, I don't see he was a head case, 596 00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:42.960 but like he had some attitude, right, he wasn't the easiest guy 597 00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:45.079 to coach. That's why he initially I think, was at Tennessee. Had 598 00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:47.599 to go to the juwe COO route after that, and then he got to 599 00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:52.599 Louisville and it worked until you know something that really he was a victim of 600 00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:57.719 somebody falsely accusing of him of something. I mean that kind of derailed his 601 00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:00.679 college career, which is honestly a shame. But before all that, like 602 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:04.920 it was no like he may eventually get booted off the team just because of 603 00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:06.960 you know, some things going on that we were I didn't know a whole 604 00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:10.480 lot of information about. But nonetheless, like he played for Steve Forbes and 605 00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:15.000 became a jueco All American, was the number one JUCO player in the Portland 606 00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:16.159 when he picked Louisville at that time. He picked him over some big time 607 00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:19.960 school. So Steve Forbes's main in fact, be the right guy for Tyler 608 00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:22.400 and if that does work out, meaning where he's he's the guy kind of 609 00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:28.039 running that team. I think he could have a lot of success, and 610 00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:30.880 I hope he does, you know, other than when he plays Louisville. 611 00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:34.840 I don't, as much as I do think that the freshman group last year 612 00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:39.039 had talent, and not even just the freshman BHH and Mike James, I'm 613 00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:44.559 missing a even Scott Clark at times like he looked like a guy that could 614 00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:46.840 do some things for you. Probably not nearly as good as he was ever 615 00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:50.599 billed to be coming out of high school, but a good guard that I'm 616 00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:54.079 not surprised Mick Cronin wanted Trey White Illinois. There's a lot of buzz for 617 00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:58.559 him. I hope those that are expecting a lot of him know that, 618 00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:00.119 you know, you may have to just sub him after every dead ball because 619 00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:02.440 he will not play defense, has never shown any interest in that. But 620 00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:10.480 he's a talented athletic guy. So maybe those guys eventually really break through elsewhere. 621 00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:15.480 But I will not have any room like, you know, I'm not 622 00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:19.920 gonna go oh man, that's the one that got away because the what they 623 00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:22.679 will. As I said, in the first year of Kenny Payne and this 624 00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:30.559 most recent year of Kenny Payne, anybody wanting to leave is totally understandable. 625 00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:31.639 So it's not like, man, I wish we could have kept him around, 626 00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:35.360 Like, no, I get it, JJ trainor his father played here. 627 00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:38.639 He's from here. He's never had any success at Louisville as far as 628 00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:43.679 the team, but like he wanted to leave, and I totally get it. 629 00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:50.800 Like I'm totally totally you know, I understand, and I don't know, 630 00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:52.920 maybe some of those guys that they came back, it would have really 631 00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:54.119 helped, because I do think, you know, there was some talented players 632 00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:58.559 that would have been, you know, viewed as an asset. However, 633 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:04.480 I just think it may be better for everybody if it is a completely clean 634 00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:08.119 slate here and everybody's kind of you know, everybody from top to bottom on 635 00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:14.760 your roster and your staff, like it's all new and you know, like 636 00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:19.239 it's a complete fresh start. All right, we got two hours left, 637 00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.840 so stick around. We'll keep this thing rolling along, and we are gonna 638 00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:24.119 you know, it's probably not a great tease, right because I'm sure this 639 00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:28.559 will not have you on the edge of your seat just counting the seconds during 640 00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:31.239 this commercial break. But we do need to talk about Jim Phillips, the 641 00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:36.800 a SEC commissioner, who I'm convinced is, like, I mean, the 642 00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:38.920 worst. 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