1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:07,040 That qualifies them to lead humanity towards its glorious transfiguration. But typically the beyond 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:16,079 assumes a form that spit of deific powers populating classical mythology. But but it 3 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:21,320 it it doesn't. It's derivative of those myths, but it is also a 4 00:00:21,399 --> 00:00:29,399 distortion of those myths. Thanks to epistemological revolution and everything the world's terian cognita, 5 00:00:29,679 --> 00:00:35,240 all those medical certainties have been banished, and as a result, the 6 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:41,280 new myths that we see populating uh modernity and well and post modernity now are 7 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:49,679 myths in the pejorative sense, not myths and myths and the transit or the 8 00:00:49,719 --> 00:00:58,600 classical myths always uh elucidated truths beyond themselves, so they always uh touched upon 9 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:04,719 uh uh they always touched upon uh meaning and purpose that was shared among humanity, 10 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:11,079 and and always uh they always just elucidated a truth. Um. Not 11 00:01:11,159 --> 00:01:22,040 so with modern myths. Uh. Modern myths um um follow hermoneutical tradition of 12 00:01:22,079 --> 00:01:26,319 gnosticism because they invert the binary of good and evil. Uh. They reverse 13 00:01:26,439 --> 00:01:30,079 the roles of God and Satan, angels and demons, heroes and villains except 14 00:01:30,799 --> 00:01:38,560 petra. Modern myths basically hold all things and suspicion, especially the altar of 15 00:01:38,799 --> 00:01:47,920 reality itself. And we see subversionist narrative tradition on display with the various invocations 16 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:52,040 of the beyond. The Beyond, as we covered it in our book, 17 00:01:52,159 --> 00:01:59,799 is invoked as a wrathful Earth goddess in the which is a story of planets 18 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:07,439 and the relationship of the feminine to the divine um the uh aion technological similarity 19 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:15,400 which we see simplify the trans humanism m m mm hmmm. Uh. You 20 00:02:15,479 --> 00:02:24,400 know, guys, it's reinterpreted as the mere convinced of bus a stupid weapon 21 00:02:25,439 --> 00:02:32,240 and by Oppenheimer. But um, it's basically uh that that that invocation of 22 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:46,879 the uh I'm gonna trust is stopping my video power and agnostically reinterpreted. Yeah, 23 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,599 as I'm gonna try to stopping my video to see if it gets a 24 00:02:50,599 --> 00:02:53,800 little as a little choppy, So go ahead, oh okay, But it's 25 00:02:53,919 --> 00:03:00,120 uh, it's the prome the Prometheum flame that uh basically reinterpreted as an attainable 26 00:03:00,199 --> 00:03:08,280 deific power and a gnostically reinterpreted messiah that will liberate man from corrupt materiality, 27 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:15,199 immobilized history in a state of utopian permanence. Uh. And then uh. 28 00:03:15,759 --> 00:03:17,960 Lastly, and there is the last iteration of the Beyond that we cover in 29 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,759 the book. Perhaps the most fantastical is, of course the Beyond invoked as 30 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:30,280 extraterrestrial gods, which is a reinterpreted taxonomy of angels, demons, and other 31 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:35,080 heavenly beings, the most significant of which, of course being God. But 32 00:03:35,719 --> 00:03:40,439 that that's from whence the Beyond arises is out of the Kantian riff and and 33 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,800 uh that is, that's the purpose that it serves is to be invoked so 34 00:03:46,879 --> 00:03:53,520 as to provide a rationale for the introduction of deux ex machina, which invariably 35 00:03:53,639 --> 00:04:00,680 is always a new world order and a new man. So it seems to 36 00:04:00,719 --> 00:04:03,719 me that you know, some people might be hearing this, if they're new 37 00:04:03,719 --> 00:04:06,479 to the channel or something. I guess that might think, well, you 38 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:12,159 know, why why would governments or power elite or social engineers, why would 39 00:04:12,199 --> 00:04:15,160 they care about philosophy or worldviews. I mean, this seems like they're concerned 40 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,519 with power. They don't really care about people, you know, sitting around 41 00:04:18,519 --> 00:04:24,759 speculating about metaphysics and the existence of other beings. And I would just remind 42 00:04:24,759 --> 00:04:30,560 people that there are many examples of high level power elite or power lead adjacent 43 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:35,040 people. Take for example, Cass Sunstein, who was one of Obama's czars. 44 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:40,720 You know, Sunstein wrote a paper about conspiracy theories and what he called 45 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,959 cognitive infiltration. And in that paper, if you've read it, he goes 46 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,279 very deep into philosophy, believe it or not. He spends a lot of 47 00:04:46,319 --> 00:04:54,000 time discussing the Enlightenment, discussing how people construct worldviews and narratives for their own 48 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:58,120 lives. And that's just one example amongst many. And so I would just 49 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:04,120 encourage people to begin it's it's present, it's present with the current Ufoe deception 50 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:10,519 and the current crop in the current crop of quote unquote whistleblowers. At the 51 00:05:10,639 --> 00:05:14,959 very end of the article, Okay, David Grush is our is our latest 52 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:20,959 addition to this rogue gallery of fake whistleblowers. And David Grush at the very 53 00:05:21,199 --> 00:05:26,279 and he was he was introduced to the public in a debrief article that was 54 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:32,160 written um Ralph Bloomenthal and Leslie Kane. Leslie Kane is another very important person 55 00:05:32,399 --> 00:05:38,079 that plays a very important role in the Ufode deception. But anyways, you 56 00:05:38,199 --> 00:05:41,720 reach the very end of that article. And what does he say at the 57 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:46,160 end, He says, my he says that what he hopes to induce is 58 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:56,639 quote unquote on ontological shock and ontological shock basically, ontological shock is the demolition 59 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,000 of worldviews. Also, UM, if you read UH, and I'm sure 60 00:06:00,199 --> 00:06:09,000 you probably have Jay Christopher Simpson's UH seminar workover a Psychological warfare UM A Science 61 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,160 of Coercion, I believe it. So yeah, yeah. In the Science 62 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:18,360 of Coercion he UH talks about William Wild, Bill Donovan and UH the OSS 63 00:06:18,439 --> 00:06:24,160 which was the precursor to the CIA. But what they did was they basically 64 00:06:24,199 --> 00:06:32,600 cribbed liberally from the Nazis and their their psychological warfare. UH, their psychological 65 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:40,839 warfare strategies, and the Nazis referred to that as Vilton schaud creek, which 66 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:50,000 is basically German for worldview warfare, psychological psychological warfare. It is is mainly 67 00:06:50,079 --> 00:06:58,120 about, it's mainly about reshaping, resculpting worldviews, resculpting the prism through which 68 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:03,720 the world has viewed. Resculping are are the hermnute according to which reality is 69 00:07:03,879 --> 00:07:09,720 understood, so that it's so that we the world in a manner that is 70 00:07:09,759 --> 00:07:15,040 more advantageous to the social engineers. Yeah, I've been I've been going back 71 00:07:15,079 --> 00:07:18,680 through some of these older Tavistock type things. I just bought lipt Months, 72 00:07:18,759 --> 00:07:24,480 Walter Littmonth's book Public Opinion from nineteen twenty. I haven't read it yet, 73 00:07:24,519 --> 00:07:28,759 but I've read you know, Burnees and some of these other books on uh, 74 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,439 you know, psycho classics on psychological warfare like Paul Leinbarger, and you 75 00:07:31,439 --> 00:07:34,000 know, a lot of times they'll talk about the fact that, you know, 76 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:38,759 a lot of what they're up to is actually tweaking, nudging, shifting. 77 00:07:39,199 --> 00:07:42,959 It's not so much about um, you know, pure raw power. 78 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:49,360 It's about um gradually as you said, or or radically shifting people's entire perspectives. 79 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:54,360 And that's that's why that nineteen sixty eight or nine Brooking since the two 80 00:07:54,399 --> 00:07:59,920 paper says that the release of the so called discovery of alien life would have 81 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:07,120 tremendous ramifications to basically destroy all Western biblical notions of history and man's meaning. 82 00:08:07,199 --> 00:08:11,399 And so this is very important for shaping and giving people new world views. 83 00:08:11,439 --> 00:08:15,199 And that's what I'm trying to convey to the audience. So let's let's rewind 84 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,800 ahead, Sure, no, no, go right ahead. Well, if 85 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,920 you had any other references, that sense of book is great and it made 86 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,920 me think of Tavistock and Lippmann and you know any other you know, HC. 87 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,480 Wells does this kind of stuff. So I know that when you get 88 00:08:28,519 --> 00:08:31,759 into some of the some of the deep state actors that are more related with 89 00:08:31,919 --> 00:08:41,200 UFO, with UFO deception, you find a greater appreciation of of of philosophy. 90 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:48,600 Not I mean they intend on exploiting the philosophies to nefarious ends, but 91 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,519 you have a greater appreciation. For instance, in our book, one of 92 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:58,960 the UFOH disinformation agents that we go into is my is Michael A. Kino. 93 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:07,279 And yeah, I quote extensively in that chapter from Kino's own documents over 94 00:09:07,399 --> 00:09:13,000 Lesser Black Magic, and he just runs the gambit from Plato to Aristotle to 95 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:18,399 Hume. So you know these people are familiar. Well, you know a 96 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:26,279 certain cross section of that kind of uh covert political ecosystem. Uh, A 97 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,840 certain cross section of them are very much you know, in tune with philosophies 98 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:39,279 and very appreciative of the of the different philosophers and UH and basically exploit those 99 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:45,240 um in a very pragmatic way for those philosophers ideas and all. Yeah, 100 00:09:45,279 --> 00:09:50,039 and let's not forget that some of these philosophers have actually been recruited into varying 101 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,679 degrees of intelligence uh work. We think of the French deconstructionists, for example, 102 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,720 who worked with the CIA during the Cold War. UM, there were 103 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,960 the Congress for Cultural Freedom, for example, recruited people like Bertrand Russell, 104 00:10:05,039 --> 00:10:09,720 I think, if I recall quickly says that Isaiah Berlin was working on behalf 105 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,240 of the Anglo American establishment. So various philosophers themselves, have you been recruited 106 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:20,120 not necessarily for psyops work, but for the pushing of soft power establishment narrative. 107 00:10:20,159 --> 00:10:22,960 So this is this needs to be understood in order to understand how it's 108 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:28,799 then possible that the so called alien story could be part of this overall deception. 109 00:10:28,879 --> 00:10:31,080 So let me ask you this. Let's rewind a little bit, maybe 110 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:37,480 too, to the nineteen forties. Tell us about why you think this is 111 00:10:37,519 --> 00:10:41,679 really starting to pop off in the forties with things like Projects Sign and these 112 00:10:41,759 --> 00:10:50,840 weird early early phases, the Magic twelve and the the Roswell story, the 113 00:10:50,159 --> 00:10:54,960 Georgia Damski. Why do you think in the forties and fifties, this really 114 00:10:54,960 --> 00:11:01,799 begins to pop off. I think that what was happening was that the UH 115 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,879 was that the cult of the super weapon was being used to midwife UM, 116 00:11:07,919 --> 00:11:15,960 the UH, the the whole UFO deception. By by the way, when 117 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,480 UH Paul and Volkes days, UH called of the super weapon that was coined 118 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,320 by H. Bruce Franklin and it's he uses it in a reference to this 119 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:30,879 fattish obsession with the super weapon. UH. The super weapon, of course, 120 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:35,639 UH, conceptually speaking, began off as something rather nebulous. It had 121 00:11:35,879 --> 00:11:39,840 it had been appeared in several works of science fiction, UH, in particular 122 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:46,639 HG. Wells UH it's the most uh, the most readily available reference I 123 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,960 can think of, UH, and many other works of science fiction. It 124 00:11:52,399 --> 00:12:01,279 it typically manifested itself into forms of poison gases UH, an unstoppable area armada 125 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:09,360 or UH you know, eventually orbitable being weapons and red crescendo with the Adam 126 00:12:09,399 --> 00:12:16,279 bomb, which, by the way, the Manhattan Project UH, which gave 127 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:22,360 you know, which produced Adam Bomb. That will actually the system of compartmentalization, 128 00:12:22,519 --> 00:12:30,279 how how that project was structured was actually directly influenced LEO Zillard to Hungarian 129 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:35,320 UH scientist UH who UH presided over that was actually influenced by H. G. 130 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,799 Wells work The World Set Free. As a matter of fact, that's 131 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:46,320 the the term Adam bomb first appearances in the world free. Um. But 132 00:12:46,519 --> 00:12:52,000 um, it's the this UH, this fetish obsession with the super weapon in 133 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:58,960 UH multiple forms. But that segues UH into the UH into the alien deception. 134 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:05,200 And yeah, because what happened was that Project sign which you mentioned earlier 135 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:13,919 in nineteen forty nine Daylished report and which which went over the topic of UFOs 136 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:18,360 and UM. There was an appendix to that report and a letter that appeared 137 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:24,200 in that appendix by a doctor James E. Lipp And he was an aeronautical 138 00:13:24,399 --> 00:13:31,799 engineer in a department head at the Rand Corporation. And what he suggested that 139 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:37,720 in that letter was that, you know, one possibility was that these aliens, 140 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:45,039 these other worldly creatures, had detected nuclear explosions here on Earth, and 141 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,679 that's what drew their attention to Earth, and that's why we were seeing the 142 00:13:48,799 --> 00:13:56,639 visitation of these by these other worldly creatures. And now he ended up saying, 143 00:13:56,799 --> 00:14:01,840 you know that the likelihood of that that hypo as being you know that 144 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:09,320 that that being being the answer was was very low. But what happened was 145 00:14:09,399 --> 00:14:18,919 that was that covert political UM circles UH you know, centered around groups like 146 00:14:18,519 --> 00:14:24,279 the Rand Corporation, which he was a part of, centered around the United 147 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:30,399 States Air Force, which had UH, which had started projects signed UH. 148 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:35,120 They laed onto that and they started to create this narrative UM. You know 149 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:45,840 that that that basically Earth was being visited by a variety of different extraterrestrials who 150 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:52,679 had somehow detected they had seen through very powerful telescopes or some other form of 151 00:14:52,679 --> 00:14:58,480 detection, some other technology, and all that we had mastered nuclear power and 152 00:14:58,519 --> 00:15:05,039 they were thus concerned learned about our mastery of of of of nuclear power and 153 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:13,559 this was causing the visitor and they weaved it into their overall deception. And 154 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:18,000 also I mean yeah, I mean that's that's how you know, the the 155 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:26,639 uh, the whole UH nuclear fetishist um ended up actually creating this UH, 156 00:15:26,679 --> 00:15:31,799 this next UM invocation of the beyond UH you know, is um extraterrestrial gods 157 00:15:31,799 --> 00:15:39,159 and if I if I may also add UM UH synchronizing with UH in particular 158 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:43,960 the UH, the great wave of UFO sightings that occurred in the summer and 159 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:50,159 fall of nineteen forty seven the latter half of the forties. Synchronizing with that 160 00:15:50,559 --> 00:15:56,600 was the discovery of the non Kamadi uh codessease, which of course you know 161 00:15:56,759 --> 00:16:03,440 are right lastic, right, And none other than Carl Hun played a major 162 00:16:03,519 --> 00:16:11,919 role into popularization of the nonsta coodessees that's right. Yeah. As a matter 163 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:18,840 of fact, he says in his workover UFOs, he characterized the phenomena as 164 00:16:18,879 --> 00:16:22,600 a quote unquote, and these are his words, living myth. So we 165 00:16:22,679 --> 00:16:26,399 see the merchants of a new myth, them acting as a modern maker. 166 00:16:26,679 --> 00:16:30,440 But he says in his work, let me see here, he says, 167 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:34,080 and I quote, uh yeah, there is an old saying that God is 168 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:38,039 a circle who center is everywhere and the circumference nowhere. God and his omniscience, 169 00:16:38,039 --> 00:16:45,440 omnipotence and omnipresence is a totality symbol par excellence, something round, complete 170 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,559 and perfect. Epiphanies of this sort are in the tradition, often associated with 171 00:16:49,639 --> 00:16:56,080 fire and light on the antique level. Therefore, the UFOs could easily be 172 00:16:56,159 --> 00:17:00,960 conceived as God's unquote. So we see there now the invocation of the beyond 173 00:17:02,039 --> 00:17:07,319 as extraterrestrial gods. These these things are not simply just offerably you know, 174 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:14,000 have you know world off world visitors. They are also the new gods. 175 00:17:14,039 --> 00:17:19,279 They have they now have supplanted the charterished metaphysical certainty of God. But uh, 176 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:26,119 Carl Huan was also connected with intelligence circles and connected press. Yeah, 177 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:32,599 the deep state was the deep State was able to tap into his ideas because 178 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,839 he had a relationship with Alan Dallas. But I believe that Allan Dallas and 179 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:41,240 him, between the two of them, they shared a mistress in Mary Bancroft, 180 00:17:41,559 --> 00:17:48,559 and I believe that he also acted as the therapist to to Clover Dallas 181 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,279 dollars, his wife. I would add too, on top of that, 182 00:17:51,559 --> 00:17:56,559 um, even above the Dallas's, he was doing psychoanalysis for various members of 183 00:17:56,599 --> 00:18:02,359 the Rockefeller family. Right. He was even telling them that they were reincarnated 184 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:10,839 the Pharonic Brides. Literally it's it's in the call your horror. Yeah. 185 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:17,160 But you notice that now with with uh several contact D alien contact d philosophies, 186 00:18:17,519 --> 00:18:22,160 they proposed that God is God, you know, Uh, the God 187 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:30,039 of theology is by definition and extraterrestrial. But this proposition it's plagued by terminological 188 00:18:30,079 --> 00:18:36,440 inexactitude because the term extraterrestrial it's derived from the Latin word extrus meaning outside and 189 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:41,359 too restless, meaning earth. Uh. And indeed God is outside of Earth 190 00:18:41,559 --> 00:18:47,200 in his transcendence uh. But for the space religionist, that that mean being 191 00:18:47,279 --> 00:18:53,319 situated outside Earth merely means inhabiting space. And by locating God exclusively in the 192 00:18:53,359 --> 00:19:00,880 physical universe UFO religions elevates a man It's to the detriment of transcendence. So 193 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:07,559 the God of space religion it dwells the material cosmos, but never ontologically transcendent. 194 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:14,039 So God becomes this intramundane divinity. But this conception of God, this 195 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:25,240 and this overall hermanudic began with a Enlightenment theoretician and Enlightenment pamphleteer and printer by 196 00:19:25,319 --> 00:19:30,599 the name of and you mentioned him earlier, Jacob Elivium. And he promulgated 197 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:37,119 this odd neognostic narrative between seventeen thirty and seventeen fifty, and that narrative can 198 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:41,279 be found in his work such as The Layman's Vindication of the Christian Religion, 199 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:48,160 The Oration at Joiners Hall, and in these works Illivi transposes the escaton of 200 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:53,359 Heaven and Hell into the vacuum, ce separating celestial bodies into space. The 201 00:19:53,519 --> 00:20:03,480 expanse and Ellivi basically echoes the cosmo logical pessimism of his ancient gnostic antecedents by 202 00:20:03,519 --> 00:20:08,640 claiming that Earth is a hell, that is to say, the place barrier 203 00:20:08,759 --> 00:20:15,519 to Heaven. And he expresses this distinctly dis teleological contention that Earth is breath 204 00:20:15,599 --> 00:20:22,359 of them, and he says that quote no, uh, no new order 205 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,720 of beings was created by It was created to people it. In other words, 206 00:20:26,839 --> 00:20:29,440 Earth serves no purpose. It doesn't have a purpose, and we were 207 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,119 never meant to be here. And by the way, you see themes like 208 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:33,799 this, this is nothing new. You see themes like this conveyed. For 209 00:20:33,839 --> 00:20:40,519 instance, in Christopher Nolan's film Interstellar, Michael Caine's character, to paraphrase him 210 00:20:40,519 --> 00:20:45,279 loosely, basically tells Matthew McConaughey, um, well, maybe this was never 211 00:20:45,319 --> 00:20:48,720 meant to be our home. Yeah right, yeah, yeah exactly. You 212 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:53,119 even see it and thinks like, um, well, the Witch Mountain series 213 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:59,319 from Disney, where these aliens are embodied as humans, right and just and 214 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:06,000 all of Earth becomes becomes this kind of this um, this strange land that 215 00:21:06,279 --> 00:21:14,119 you know that that they can't navigate right, right, and or earth is 216 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:19,960 a place to um basically farm humans to the next stage of evolutionary process and 217 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,599 then it needs to be destroyed, right absolutely. Yeah, Well, and 218 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:30,599 that again is the intelligence connection called Arthur's large intelligence pedigree there. But you 219 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,279 know, as you know, Jay, that that that demonic portrayal of the 220 00:21:34,279 --> 00:21:41,880 world. Okay, it's obviously derivative of ancient gnostic cosmology, uh, which 221 00:21:41,279 --> 00:21:48,200 yeah, which Illivi was probably a very cognitive of most a great many of 222 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:56,160 the UH Enlightenment theoreticians were very conscious of gnostic teaching. Um but um. 223 00:21:56,799 --> 00:22:03,319 Illivi upheld that do statistic appraisal of the world, and this cosmological pessimism logically 224 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:12,039 segued into an anthropological pessimism. Elivi basicly he divested man of his unique position 225 00:22:12,279 --> 00:22:18,240 as Imago day or a divine image bearer of God for whom the earth was 226 00:22:18,319 --> 00:22:23,720 created as a lovely cosmic bequest, and instead Elivi declared that man was an 227 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:30,079 apostate angel that was imprisoned within the corporeal prison of the physical body and in 228 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:36,519 order to escape that prison and transcend the penal colony of the world, man 229 00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:42,279 had to undergo some vaguely defined earthbound test, and upon completion of this purgatorial 230 00:22:42,319 --> 00:22:48,160 trial, man would spiritually ascend to other planets, which Elivi claimed to be 231 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:55,119 impyrene habitations. And in support of this claim, Eli cited the Book of 232 00:22:55,200 --> 00:23:00,279 John chapter fourteen, verse two, wherein Jesus of course states in my father's 233 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,759 house or many mansions, Now those many mansions, for a levy uh that 234 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:14,240 comprised the Father's house were actually yeah alien world's offerald habitations. And this was 235 00:23:14,319 --> 00:23:19,519 a contention. This was the same contention held by a by William Durham, 236 00:23:19,759 --> 00:23:26,440 who was a member of the Royal Society, which arguably was a Masonic organization 237 00:23:26,519 --> 00:23:32,599 in its inception um and also also very much so, very much so uh 238 00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:40,200 UH integral in the promulgation of the gnostic myth of Darwinism um that the the 239 00:23:40,519 --> 00:23:48,559 uh UH inhabiting the UH Royal Society, inhabiting the inner circle of the Royal 240 00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:55,480 Society was a Masonic Darwinian lodge known as the X Club, which was responsible 241 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:02,200 for UH suppressing, suppressing all the unflattering UH news concerning Bothibius Haikali. How 242 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:11,559 Bothibius Haikuli was uh uh demonstrated to be uh not the intermediary phase between living 243 00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:15,000 and non living matter as as they held, would have been an affirmation of 244 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:21,599 darwin news, but instead it turned out gypsum um and they uh there, 245 00:24:21,759 --> 00:24:26,200 their their members made sure that I believe nine of their members I don't recall 246 00:24:26,319 --> 00:24:33,640 how many were actually had held influence over the scientific press and made sure that 247 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:41,119 those revelations were suppressed so that only I think only two scientennial two pairs ras 248 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:48,039 for the scandal scandal. But this this allowed for the promulgation of Darwinism, 249 00:24:48,319 --> 00:24:55,000 which we will see. Uh segues into directed the myth of directing m yeah, 250 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,519 directed dat dense formia. It made me think of something. There's a 251 00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:03,599 there's a book. You guys are probably familiar with it. It's called Hegel, 252 00:25:03,599 --> 00:25:07,480 and the Hermetic tradition are familiar with that book, yes, yeah, 253 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,400 yeah, Well there's a there's a great chapter at the very beginning where it 254 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,079 goes through some of the figures that precede Hegel. And I know Hegel doesn't 255 00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:17,440 talk about aliens per se, but one reason this is relevant is that when 256 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:23,799 you were talking about the notion of imminentizing the divinity and making the divinity kind 257 00:25:23,839 --> 00:25:29,680 of this pantheistic process phenomenon. Another thing that I remembered happened in the Late 258 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:37,160 Middle Ages was they began to posit new theories of space and time universe that 259 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:44,400 would precede both content Hegel and this is figures like Nicholas of Cusa and Jordano 260 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,000 Bruno, both of both of whom paus it an infinite universe. And one 261 00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:52,599 of the things that usually comes up in the alien debate and discussion is this 262 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,720 argument that, well, if the universe is infinite, then it stands to 263 00:25:56,799 --> 00:26:02,119 reason that other planets would have therefore evil all of these beings throughout billions of 264 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,759 AONs, who would have therefore been more advanced than we are. So I 265 00:26:04,839 --> 00:26:11,680 kind of I feel like the imminentizing of the doctrine of of infinity, right, 266 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,640 God is infinite. We would say that the universe is finite because it's 267 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,759 created. It might be giant and huge, but it's still finite. But 268 00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:23,359 if you have Nicholas Acusa j or Donald Bruno smushing of imminence of infinity into 269 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,880 the universe, now we get one of the planks that's used for this alien 270 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:36,400 philosophy, which then it is later tooled to this purpose, right right, 271 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,200 absolutely, Okay, Yeah, I just I just was as curious if you 272 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,319 thought that was a good argument about because because you have to have that or 273 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,400 you have to get rid of divine transcendence and make it all imminent and right 274 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:55,440 exactly are you know, basically versions of as you said, Dave use x 275 00:26:55,519 --> 00:27:00,880 moshing a process philosophy, and the alien cults as well usually have some imminentized 276 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:07,960 astro theology too, right exactly exactly, And and and so you have the 277 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:14,559 elevation of the which the elevation of amanits to the detriment of transcendence, which 278 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,839 is a hallmark of neo gnosticism, um um. And that makes that makes 279 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:26,119 possible the rendering of the universe as a Casa si uh cosmos. It becomes 280 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:33,759 uh divine, and therefore all of all of the inhabitants thereof, which would 281 00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:38,079 constitute biological appendages of it, become mine. And you see where you have 282 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:48,680 already the seeds for the belief that UH extraterrestrials would constitute UH de facto gods 283 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:55,640 yea um And again and and also you know the transposition of the escaton into 284 00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,240 the amanit sphere. Um. You see that for instance, also with UH, 285 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:06,240 this this this tradition beginning with UH. I think with and I think 286 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:12,000 you've mentioned this before with origin it was original many world of view, right, 287 00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:17,880 well, because the many worlds can easily be read as many planets many 288 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,039 and I mean right, an origin does kind of precede this stuff too, 289 00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:25,759 You're absolutely right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Originism closely parallels modern nasstic 290 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,359 space operas. And these these parallels are especially evident in the theodical narrative that 291 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:37,119 arises out the originist conception of God, because if originism holds sway, then 292 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,960 God created out of felt need, not out of love, and creations ultimate 293 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:47,240 purpose would be to act as the medium for a massive silteriological project initiated by 294 00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:52,440 what would amount to really a cosmic sylopssist. Uh. All of creations, 295 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,839 fallow minds, which are ontologically homogeneous with God, now UH, must be 296 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:03,480 subjected to a purgatorial trial, you know, so that they may be restored 297 00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:07,839 to their original state. And in turn, this restoration will supposedly allow God 298 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:15,440 to restore his fractured plenitude and yeah, basically, basically, essentially it's neo 299 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:22,400 Platonism in terms of you know, hinosis, the idea that ultimate unity is 300 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:29,079 really the state from which all beings that fell into multiplicity are striving to return. 301 00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:32,200 Right. Yeah, we can all see how this is very useful to 302 00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:37,759 all forms of New Age philosophy or for a world religion, because, as 303 00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:41,759 Huxley himself says, in the Prenous Philosophy, everything is striving to get back 304 00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:45,319 into that pure unity, and that's what all the alien cults have as well. 305 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:55,000 Exactly. You can also see where it's a politically advantageous belief to promulgate 306 00:29:55,119 --> 00:30:02,799 because okay, so so uh gnostic. You know, Gnostic steriology ostensibly, 307 00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:10,759 ostensibly is a very individualistic there's rejection of the communal aspects of salvation that you 308 00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:15,240 see, for instance, in Orthodox Christianity. It's an individual path. You 309 00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:23,240 follow your path. However, however, Gnostic uh steriology collapses into a spiritual 310 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:30,359 form of collectivism once one arrives arrives at salvation at the play Roma, as 311 00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:34,240 they say, because once once you've arrived, you know been uh you know, 312 00:30:34,279 --> 00:30:40,599 once you've been uh reunified with the play roma. Uh, then individual 313 00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:45,440 identity is no longer encapsulated within yeah, within the individual. And so what 314 00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:49,680 is this on the political level? What what does this translate to when we 315 00:30:49,759 --> 00:31:00,319 politicize such a belief system collectivism state exactly, exactly exactly, and it says 316 00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:03,279 a little surprise, you know, Uh, you have with uh the uh 317 00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:12,079 the promotion of say like the LGBTQ alphabet soup uh movement, you have the 318 00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:18,440 uh promotion of an androgene uh humanity. Fact, even some of the people, 319 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:26,200 for example at Fordham are actually utilizing neoplatonic ideas that UH or that origin 320 00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:32,599 held it for example, which is that primordial unity is higher than the fall 321 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,799 into biological diversity and distinction. So they'll actually say that the fall man's fall 322 00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:45,359 in the garden was from a higher androgynous state into a like bifurcated male female 323 00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:49,920 binary state. That's absolutely right, get back to evolve back to a non 324 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:56,119 binary state. I have absolutely right, absolutely right, because a hallmark of 325 00:31:56,119 --> 00:32:02,880 of this this gnostic belief systic or system are gnostically derived belief system is a 326 00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:12,599 contempt for the world of differentiated beings. Uh. Difference differences are actually you 327 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:17,799 know, actually are viewed as a symptom. They're symptomatic of the corruption of 328 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:23,759 materiality, and so that that's something that you know that they seek to transcend 329 00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:29,640 and not surprisingly with you know, the et myth, with the the introduction 330 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,599 of these new alien gods. What is a feature of the of theirs. 331 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:37,559 Well, they're basically cosmic bafflements. They're they're androgene. Yeah, exactly. 332 00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:43,480 Yeah. Let's talk about one of these films that as a perfect illustration of 333 00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:47,440 this, back from this nineteen for the exact year, late forties, early 334 00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:52,960 fifty day, The Earth Said Still, which you guys note had to some 335 00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:54,559 degree. If I'm going from a memory here, I think what you said 336 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:59,839 C. D. Jackson, who was famous for the Doctrinal Warfare program, 337 00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:04,839 which was involved in co opting the Roman Calary Church in particular at that time 338 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,079 to be an appendage of the American deep state for soft power purposes, to 339 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:13,319 basically make the Roman Callagy Church try to turn it into an engine of Americanism. 340 00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:15,599 If I recall, I think you guys said in the book that CD 341 00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:20,640 Jackson was actually involved into some degree the production of Daily Earth Stood Still, 342 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:29,960 which is another worldview tinkering project where in the film told that the pseudo Christ 343 00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:34,960 figure, this carpenter from space, comes to tell us to formal world, 344 00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:38,720 a world socialist government based around so called science, because if we don't, 345 00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:44,640 then the Kantian Rift, the unknown, the beyond, in the form of 346 00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:47,960 Clottu will come and destroy us. This that act. Was CD Jackson involved 347 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,240 in this, I'm trying to recall and all. What I do know is 348 00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:59,759 that CD Jackson was one of the individuals who actually viewed Patty and Barney Hill 349 00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:05,440 Okay, excuse me, when their story when their story appeared in UM in 350 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,320 in UH Life magazine. So he was one of the ones that, yeah, 351 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:16,440 that actually got kicked off this this whole contact UH phenomenon. Well, 352 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:22,199 actually the contact phenomenon was actually kind of kicked off by a Doomsky, which 353 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:28,840 was a man was his whole tale was was manufactured by Alan Dallas. Alan 354 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,760 Dullas was tapping into yeah, he was tapping into hewe and UH psychology and 355 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:40,519 creating the narrative that surrounded UM, that surrounded uh A Damski And one of 356 00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:45,000 the people that cowed onto it was a Cincinnati lawyer by the name of Thomas 357 00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:50,039 Akof who said, hey, look, Domski is sending out these stories about 358 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:54,880 trips into in spaceships, you know, through the through the mail, through 359 00:34:54,920 --> 00:35:00,639 the United States Postal Service. So he's so he's defrauding the government. And 360 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:06,159 uh, the lawyer legal counsel to the CIA said that he had grounds, 361 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:13,800 uh that that Ikoff had grounds for a lawsuit, and that prompted Dallus to 362 00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:21,119 slapping an injunction on you know, and and any kind of lawsuit being brought 363 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:28,079 because he said, well, you know it that the UFO issue represents is 364 00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:34,480 a maximum security and um, you know, a very sensitive subject. And 365 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,880 um. The real reason that he was probably trying to keep anybody from taking 366 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:45,639 Adomski to court was actually revealed by a physicist on the Manhattan Project, Leon 367 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:51,800 Davidson, who pointed out in an article that he did that from start to 368 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:58,599 finish, the whole uh contact in the in the desert with a Venusian but 369 00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:07,559 that involved a Domski wash was actually uh concocted by Alan Duless and the CIA, 370 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,360 and this prompted the CIA to look at Leon Davis in a very poor 371 00:36:12,519 --> 00:36:17,360 light. They they even suggested that he might be you know, an agent 372 00:36:17,519 --> 00:36:23,079 and power. Whereas they looked at somebody like Donald Kehoe in a very positive 373 00:36:23,199 --> 00:36:28,159 light, you know, the one of the founding members of Nightcap. And 374 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,239 uh yeah, they actually that when it came to Leon Davis, they actually 375 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:38,440 suggested that he should be surveiled and looked into and scrutinized for a possible connection 376 00:36:38,519 --> 00:36:43,400 to some foreign power. So they were on the day, were on the 377 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,159 you know, okay, so on the right trail. So I got that 378 00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:50,760 a little mixed up. So tell me what. Remind me what what you 379 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,880 guys's research uncovered in regard to day the artist. Still, because I know 380 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,639 you did cover that and you talked about that being a pretty seminal piece of 381 00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:02,159 prop aganda. Can you refresh me on any of that? Yeah, sure, 382 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:08,360 Well the character the character of Carpenter. Of course, the name Carpenter 383 00:37:09,079 --> 00:37:14,039 is a conspicuous allusion to Christ, who was you know, of course a 384 00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:21,039 carpenter. And this this, this, uh, this, this character is 385 00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:25,360 an exo theological Christ, who, like you said, has come to preach 386 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:30,519 a gospel, but it's a very different gospel. It's a gospel of of 387 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:37,880 world government. So again the homogenization of of people's which echoes the gnostic derision 388 00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:45,800 for a world of differentiated beings. That's soteriology politicized. And interestingly enough, 389 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,239 Adam Weishaupt, who was, of course, you know, the founder of 390 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,840 the infamous Bavarian Illuminati, UH you know, which was of course an Enlightenment 391 00:37:53,880 --> 00:38:04,239 era subversive organization. UM uh advanced a similar view of of Jesus. Jesus 392 00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:10,760 came to bring about, uh really the destruction of national governments, of all 393 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:17,159 of these uh, all of these uh systems of union and systems that that 394 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:24,960 supposedly kept humanity divided. But um the day the Earth stood still basically basically 395 00:38:25,079 --> 00:38:30,400 promotes that. And uh um you see with it also the uh you see 396 00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:37,119 with it also the promulgation of nuclear anxiety, which uh was what the cult 397 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:42,440 of the super weapon thrived upon. Uh. Nuclear anxiety, of course, 398 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:49,360 you know, the fear of nuclear annihilation being a very compelling fear, a 399 00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:58,119 very a very compelling incentive for uh, the instantiation of world government right now, 400 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,199 was there? Uh maybe I'm maybe I'm thinking of Daryl Zanac working with 401 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:06,360 the Office of War Intelligence. You're thinking about if you're thinking about the intelligence, 402 00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:10,639 the intelligence single, right, Daryl sana that movie Mogul. He oversaw 403 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,440 that film that's one. Yeah, he was a CIA, he was a 404 00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:21,840 CIA asset and all he was considered to be a quote unquote friend of the 405 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:28,119 US government that could be relied upon to insert ideas in his sections. Okay, 406 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:34,159 yeah, so I mean, um so to hold on to get to 407 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,000 be clear. So CD Jackson, the author of the CIA's doctional Warfare Program, 408 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:44,039 interviews Betty and Barney Hill and that is in Life magazine. And then 409 00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:49,880 Darryl Zanach working with the Office of Wartime Intelligence and the CIA through twenty century 410 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:55,760 Fox is what overseeing day the ursus still is that right? Yeah, that 411 00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:04,119 a good could trace that again yeah so so so yeah, Sanaxaniki is the 412 00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:09,920 one who's responsible for for the CIA involvement and uh yeah, that's right, 413 00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:14,760 that's right. And in the film in the film industry in particular, yeah 414 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,400 right, yeah, sorry, yeah yeah. And a lot of people don't 415 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:21,360 realize until you know, you guys had uh. I mean I knew that 416 00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:24,360 there was I mean, the OSS was involved in Hollywood as well back in 417 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:29,840 that, but but the particularly these kinds of um, higher higher level people, 418 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,400 I think a lot of people don't know that. And I didn't know 419 00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:36,400 that Santac had that had that role working with the OBI. But it doesn't 420 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,480 surprise me because you know, people like you can look at like Hitchcock was 421 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:45,159 working with British Ministry of Defense, um Ministry of Information to to film a 422 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,880 lot of propaganda films, So it's not surprising him. But I just think 423 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,320 a lot of people don't know this kind of history. They don't know this 424 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,400 angle. But you know, Hollywood and the studios, I mean, they 425 00:40:55,440 --> 00:41:01,159 were they were churning out future narratives and doing world be warfare again a long 426 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,159 time ago, and they've been I think, I think, as you guys 427 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,440 highlight, they've been seating this alien narrative for a long time. And um, 428 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,320 I don't know that we talked about this one last time, but what 429 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,079 do you let me get you guys this take on the roswell thing, because 430 00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:21,039 I know that's kind of a I mean when people when you say aliens and 431 00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:22,840 all this non I think it's obviously ridiculous. It's like, you know, 432 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:29,039 the guy's holding up like tinfoil in saying that you know this is a crashed 433 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:35,960 alien craft. Um, is this like the first big scale push for the 434 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,119 I mean, I understand we could say a Damski and Betty and Barney Hill. 435 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,880 Perhaps it might even be earlier psyops for sure. But but what about 436 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,480 Roswell? I mean, is this like the first kind of like open let's 437 00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:52,159 let's do a full on staged alien attack. I mean crash, That's what 438 00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:58,719 That's what we believed that it was. Basically see um okay. One of 439 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:05,119 the major uh UFO disinformation agents was a man by the name of Philip Corso. 440 00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:09,199 I believe that he was attached to the National Security Council, and he 441 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:15,119 came out with a book called The Day Before Roswell where he actually betrayed while 442 00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:20,000 actually took place there in the book while trying to present it as extraterrestrial in 443 00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:25,400 origin in that in that book. In that book he says, you know, 444 00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:30,880 well, we knew that this was extraterrestrial and that was otherworldly, but 445 00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:37,400 we had to bring in Uh. We had to bring in Um uh Erman 446 00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:45,039 Obert and uh and Uh von bron Werner von Braun to analyze it because it 447 00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:49,440 resembled a Nazi technology. Well, if it resembles a Nazi technology, then 448 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:55,519 it's not extraterrestrials in all likelihood Nazi and all in in its origin and um 449 00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:01,000 if so um if you look into the back ground of Philip Corso. Philip 450 00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:05,639 Corso was part of a group called the Shick Shinny Knights of Malta, which 451 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:12,000 was modeled off of the Order of Malta. The the the Athletic Order and 452 00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:17,159 all the Shick Shinning Knights of Malta was headed up by Charles Willoughby. Charles 453 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:25,639 Willoughby was a part of of Douglas Macauthur, General Douglas Macauthur's um UH a 454 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:34,400 little intelligence couple, and Douglas Macauthur had himself talked to UH to UH cadets 455 00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:39,079 UM. I believe, I believe that it was cadets graduating from West Point, 456 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:46,039 but they were they were graduating from a military academy, a very reputable 457 00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:50,440 military academy. I believe it was West Point. We go into it into 458 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,440 the in the book and he said, you people, you you younger, 459 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:59,480 you're you're this younger generation of soldier is going to have to deal with a 460 00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:06,000 class of civilization. But the civilization is going to be another worldly civilization. 461 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:12,440 And he also, you know, mentioned that his concern was that there would 462 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:20,960 be a competition between Earthend and some hostile force from space in a conversation that 463 00:44:21,079 --> 00:44:24,159 he also had with a journalist, I believe at Achille Lauro and all it's 464 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:29,960 it's it's down, it's written down in our book, so um so uh 465 00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:37,360 so here Carso was tied into this intelligence cabal, UH the centered around mcgauthur 466 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:44,360 that seems to have been intent on disseminating the idea of a hostile alien threat 467 00:44:44,519 --> 00:44:47,360 narrative. And also, I mean, like that's what it seems to us 468 00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:53,599 is that either either a either a genuine crash happened and they spend it that 469 00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:59,559 way, or they or they could have just orchestrated the crash from start to 470 00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:05,599 finish and and put it just to see how the narrative would fly. And 471 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,320 all that that seems to be where it starts, like you said with nineteen 472 00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:15,639 in nineteen forty seven, you know, with with roswell Um, with UM 473 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:24,079 with the Murray Island incident, moving forward into with the contacts UH phenomena with 474 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:32,199 a Doomski and Betty and Barney Hill and UH the July nineteen fifty two UFO 475 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,559 flap over Washington, DC, which when we worked with UH, we when 476 00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:42,199 we were still working with the syndicated radio talk show host Michael Corbin. Michael 477 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:47,360 Corpan had gotten to see many of many of Edward J. Pelt's papers, 478 00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:53,760 uh that he had written over that UFO flap, and Uh, Edward J. 479 00:45:53,960 --> 00:46:00,519 Repelt was with the Air Force and he was tasked with investigating at flap 480 00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:06,280 and he had been told ahead of time by a scientist connected with the government 481 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,880 that that flap was going to happen. So we had there was this scientist 482 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:15,360 out there that had extreme fore knowledge all of these incidents works work together to 483 00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:22,519 basically uh set off the whole UFO phenomenon, to they worked together to kind 484 00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:30,320 of act as as its springboard and to basically catapulled it into the public eye. 485 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:37,639 And we can't forget he's the Hadley Cantrell research too about invaders from Mars 486 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:44,159 and the you know, Princeton research project with you know, all that information 487 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:49,239 going back to the Orson Wells product or project doing on the radio what I 488 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,519 think is probably some kind of saw op to test out the public's reaction to 489 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,239 that. I know, you guys know the old hat with all that, 490 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,719 But just just giving more examples of this because I know a lot of people 491 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,800 will be new to this material. So as we're moving up into the nineteen 492 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,159 fifties and sixty we begin to see us just an onslot of Hollywood movies, 493 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:14,719 NonStop alien stuff, right, I mean, it's just like UFOs Invaders. 494 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,880 This is also oftentimes tied, as you guys know too, cold War stuff, 495 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,320 as we get into the Cold War period where the outside threat is oftentimes 496 00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:34,559 linked to the communist threat. The idea that the otherworldly invaders are going to 497 00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:38,199 link us all into a high mind and we have to be individualist. For 498 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:44,679 example, Invaders or Invasion of the Body Snatchers is actually an anti communist story. 499 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:50,760 Many of these at this time period are especially shows the alien episodes that 500 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:55,119 come out on Twilight Zone, which had government consultation on it, by the 501 00:47:55,159 --> 00:48:00,199 way. And then, ironically, as as you pointed out, as we 502 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:06,360 moved further up into more and more mainstream acceptance of the alien narrative, where 503 00:48:06,679 --> 00:48:12,239 it's more and more an actual tool for moving us into collectivism. So what's 504 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,760 what's ironic is that when you get this fifties anti communist approach to the alien 505 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:22,960 narrative, but now it's gradually shifting more and more into the the globalist narrative, 506 00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:28,599 the collectivist narrative. And is that do you think that's competing forces within 507 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,159 Hollywood? Or is that was that always just like where they were going to 508 00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:36,599 take all of this stuff. It could be it could be a matter of 509 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:43,480 natural evolution, as they had to rearrange things to U to reflect the the 510 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:51,360 the changing UH political landscape. We wrote an article called Yugophos and the Ghost 511 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:57,000 of Paul nitzey UH and Paul Nitze was was the kind of the leading light 512 00:48:57,159 --> 00:49:05,840 on what was called National Security UM UH national Security Council UH policies at least 513 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:10,960 sixty eight and all and UM. What Paul knitz what Paul Knitzy and his 514 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:20,119 UH and and other authors of that paper did was basically, UH produced this 515 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,800 this kind of UH, this picture of this portrait of the Union as being 516 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:39,840 completely bad was a complete it was complete manequean epistemology where they antagonists antagonistic binaries 517 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:45,480 UH that can never be reconciled. And following from that you have that, 518 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:50,519 you know, you have an ontology that follows from that that that's completely premised 519 00:49:50,599 --> 00:49:54,800 upon the alleged equipotency of good and evil. Yeah, and the United states, 520 00:49:54,920 --> 00:50:00,320 is that light is the great light on the hill is exactly and you 521 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,719 know he even speaks and rights in that he's probably getting that from Paul Knitzy 522 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,519 because he was Yeah, Brazinsky says, we're locked in a manichee in battle 523 00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:15,880 and the product synthesis. Yeah, So I wouldn't doubt if Paul Knitzy was 524 00:50:16,199 --> 00:50:22,119 the source of inspiration for Prazynski, like he said, But the whole reason 525 00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:28,719 of setting up this binary with that paper was so that he could take the 526 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:38,320 whole concept of containment and radically militarize it and justify these huge defense expenditures and 527 00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:45,199 and as long as he had Communism there to play off of, he could 528 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:52,599 justify uh, taking containment and and and putting it on this uh, this 529 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:58,000 trajectory of militarization. Well, what happens when the when the earthly communists go 530 00:50:58,039 --> 00:51:01,880 away? Because he anticipated the solution of the Soviet republics at some point. 531 00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:06,119 They knew it was going to they knew the Soviet Union was going to break 532 00:51:06,199 --> 00:51:09,280 up at some point, and well, you know, you had to uh, 533 00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:14,920 if the communists weren't here, they had to be out there, so 534 00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:21,400 you know, and and so uh you know, a communist from space became 535 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:30,920 the way of of rationalizing, uh, rationalizing uh, this militarization and all 536 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:37,280 long after the Cold War had abated, and long after containment was was needed 537 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:43,559 and all. So that's probably why we were seeing you know, aliens being 538 00:51:44,159 --> 00:51:50,440 uh presented as the as the communist in the fifties, the idea being that 539 00:51:50,679 --> 00:51:54,159 at some point the Soviet Union would go away, but the communist threat would 540 00:51:54,199 --> 00:51:59,039 still be there. It would just be coming from outside our atmosphere. But 541 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:05,239 you have this oscillations Reagan, right, Reagan at the UN could wards winding 542 00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,440 down saying, oh if I always wonder if we had an outside alien threat, 543 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,239 if we could all come together. So so it's being retooled and repurposed 544 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:19,639 for a new phase of the globalist agenda, right exactly. And this that 545 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:24,400 wasn't the only time that you know that, uh, an alien threat narrative 546 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:30,480 was used to basically the you know, the extraterrestrial myth was used as a 547 00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:35,559 poison pill to smuggle in, you know, these these ideas into the public 548 00:52:35,639 --> 00:52:44,559 conscious where you know of of of this uh this um irreconcilable buyinary you know, 549 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:49,000 binary work. UM. It was also used during uh. Uh nine 550 00:52:49,039 --> 00:52:52,199 to eleven. Um, I had an instructor when I was in college. 551 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:57,960 His name was Elliott Peter Gaines. And um he he and he was a 552 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,800 good friend of mine. He was more oriented, though towards the left. 553 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,639 Um. But he's still he wrote, he wrote, he wrote a really 554 00:53:05,679 --> 00:53:13,679 good article. Uh semiotics. Yeah yeah, and and and I cite it 555 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:19,079 in my article the the semiotic Deception of the nine to eleven But uh he 556 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,360 shows where Ron and san Jon MSNBC during the nine to eleven attacks, the 557 00:53:23,519 --> 00:53:28,880 attacks on the World Trades Center. Uh, he makes an intertextual reference to 558 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,480 none other than Independence Day. And of course Independence Day, you have again 559 00:53:32,519 --> 00:53:39,719 a manique and binary of irredeemably corrupt evil aliens uh, assaulting the beligered homeworld 560 00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:47,639 of pure virtuous humanity. And he makes that intertextual reference to Independence Day. 561 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:52,280 Uh. I forget exactly what his words were, but he said that the 562 00:53:52,360 --> 00:54:00,119 whole scene of the collapsing of the towers reminded him of Independence Day. And 563 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:07,119 with that intertextual reference and and uh Elliott uh also says as much in his 564 00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:14,639 article. Um he, you have the invocation of this Manichean binary, which 565 00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:20,880 is supposed upon the Arab nations and the United States, and so the Arab 566 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:27,840 nations became the the the the invading Yeah then yeah, the invading aliens. 567 00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:34,559 But you have this oscillation between those narrative paradigms, the narrative paradigm of alien 568 00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:40,760 invaders and the uh narrative paradigm of uh the uh yeah, yeah, the 569 00:54:42,039 --> 00:54:49,440 enlightened virtuous alien visitors. Um. However, a dialectical commonality between the two 570 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:58,119 is that is always uh the uh the necessity of the homogenization of humanity and 571 00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,800 political unification. And because in either case you have a crisis arising, an 572 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:07,119 ontological crisis, a crisis of security, and crisis of diplomacy, right, 573 00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:13,559 which can but in both of those crises can only be remedied with a unified 574 00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:19,079 response on the part of the part of the world, either a unified unified 575 00:55:19,199 --> 00:55:24,039 militaristics response in the case of invading aliens or in the case of uh uh 576 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:30,960 you know, just a benevolent aliens, a crisis of diplomacy. Uh. 577 00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:35,920 You know, as as uh Stanton Friedman, the deceased Upologists put it, 578 00:55:36,119 --> 00:55:39,079 who speaks for Earth Argentina, you know, we have to have this this 579 00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:43,920 uh, we have to have a world authority now to speak on behalf of 580 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,840 the nations. Yeah, I mean this is this is a really common thread 581 00:55:49,039 --> 00:55:52,440 through the alien mythos, which you mean going all the way back to the 582 00:55:52,519 --> 00:55:57,039 War of the Worlds, which again you know by by Wells. The presupposition 583 00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,960 is that if we don't all come together, um, it's gonna it will 584 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:06,559 destroy us. This this beyond this unknown, this this phenomena that can't be 585 00:56:06,679 --> 00:56:10,440 known or named, and it can be retooled to whatever the deep state needs 586 00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,800 it to be. And I think that's that's the key that you guys are 587 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,239 hitting on. And it can worph it can also morph into the Savior. 588 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:22,320 That's the crazy part is that the alien alsoph into the alien Salvation. Yeah, 589 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:27,519 exactly, the Messiah and the Menace are one and the same. And 590 00:56:28,039 --> 00:56:30,400 which is which is I mean, which is bizarre. But nevertheless, you 591 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:40,280 see that transmogrification that the narratives undergo. That transmogrification in correspondence with shifting cultural 592 00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:45,960 sensibilities, you know. So you know, during the eighties, of course 593 00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:51,800 you had the Cold War, So what where were the cultural sensibilities inclined towards, 594 00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:57,519 whether they were inclined towards more militaristic impulses. Now you see it shifting 595 00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:04,960 again because because we we have the we have in uh, the UH postmodernity. 596 00:57:05,079 --> 00:57:08,400 We have a world where there there is no there is no truth in 597 00:57:08,519 --> 00:57:15,360 everything there and there is and this UH contempt again for a world of differentition 598 00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:21,760 right dated beings. So there's this necessary for homogenization. So you have this, 599 00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:27,840 this the space Brothers bringing the message of peace and unity. Let's talk 600 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,599 before we move to the to the present day, the last couple of years 601 00:57:30,679 --> 00:57:37,000 of alien mania popping off directly from the deep state, directly from people from 602 00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:42,960 naval intelligence whistleblowers, Fox News going crazy with this. Let's talk about some 603 00:57:43,039 --> 00:57:45,760 of the other connections, of which is the Aviary. Tell us about the 604 00:57:46,159 --> 00:57:52,079 CIA black ops that the Aviary was involved in. Okay, Yeah, The 605 00:57:52,199 --> 00:57:58,920 Aviary was a group, supposedly a group of intelligence officials who wanted to get 606 00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:06,320 the UFOC grit out to the public and um their name was. That name 607 00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:12,960 was coined for them by the first author of of of a book of the 608 00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:20,159 author of the very first book Deposit an Extraterrestrial Origin for roswell Um, the 609 00:58:20,239 --> 00:58:24,679 researcher William Moore He wrote that book with Charles Berlitz, Charles Berlitz, who 610 00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:31,519 also himself had an intelligence connection. But um um Moore gave the Aviary it's 611 00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:38,000 name because all of these these intelligence assets were supposed it would would present themselves 612 00:58:38,119 --> 00:58:44,519 under a code name of a bird like condor penguin. On and on it 613 00:58:44,639 --> 00:58:52,320 goes. But the but the Aviary, through William Moore um basically polluted the 614 00:58:52,599 --> 00:58:57,679 uf the UFO community with all of the familiar tropes, all the tropes that 615 00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:02,320 we are familiar with today. The idea of a treaty of of the of 616 00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:07,840 these aliens having a treaty with the with the governments of the Earth and having 617 00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:14,239 some kind of exchange program, that they'll abduct so many people and give us 618 00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:21,239 technology and return or do so many um so many cattle mutilations for their experiments 619 00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:27,559 and in return we received so much technology. And um uh. The the 620 00:59:28,039 --> 00:59:34,639 idea that that that all these bases underground were going were at war with aliens, 621 00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,159 and that there were there were fights breaking out, that there were actual 622 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:45,199 military competitions breaking out out in places like Dulcie and the Arcolata, Arcoletta, 623 00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:53,559 Mesa, and um these these were all uh disseminated by the Aviary through William 624 00:59:53,679 --> 01:00:00,079 Moore. And one poor guy that it got to was uh was Paul Benowitz, 625 01:00:00,599 --> 01:00:07,679 who was kind of an eccentric dude who um he was. He was 626 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:13,280 He was a radio technician and he was a UFO researcher and and you know, 627 01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:17,360 he believed that he was coming across UFO transmissions coming from Kurtland Air Force 628 01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:22,960 Base and whatnot. All likelihood it really was was you know, just transmissions 629 01:00:23,039 --> 01:00:28,960 from some um, some advanced R and D projects that they were testing there. 630 01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:37,159 But um, they they used William Moore and an AFOSSI officer who was 631 01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:45,199 who was actually um either a liaison for the Aviary or a member of the 632 01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:50,840 Aviary himself. So he was kind of like this he represented diffusion of the 633 01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:55,239 public state and the deep state because he was a OSI, which is public 634 01:00:55,320 --> 01:01:00,440 state, Aviary which is deep state. Yeah, this is and this comes 635 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:06,800 up if I recall, isn't more the first one they mentioned in um mirage 636 01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:12,440 men that has chosen to be one of these sort of leak engines that where 637 01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:16,519 they basically profile people who will believe that they're chosen to be in the special 638 01:01:16,679 --> 01:01:20,559 role and they bring them in and they let the general talk to him and 639 01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:23,519 they play him a VHS tape of a staged you know, ship taken off 640 01:01:23,559 --> 01:01:29,199 of a air Force base, which actually created by some guy from the Star 641 01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,840 Trek show. Right, um, if you're yeah, what they did with 642 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:38,280 More was really crafty because they gave him fake documents knowing that he would recognize 643 01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:43,960 them as fake. And so he brings them back and says these are fake 644 01:01:44,039 --> 01:01:49,679 and they're right. That's right. That was a test. Yeah, now 645 01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,280 let us give you the real stuff at all. And they gave him the 646 01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:58,239 real stuff all right because that because it was like, um, it was 647 01:02:00,519 --> 01:02:07,159 just a psychological nitrous oxide for that for poor old Benwitz. Let me ask 648 01:02:07,159 --> 01:02:10,239 you, guys, because I may have asked this last time, I don't 649 01:02:10,239 --> 01:02:15,039 remember, But to me, it looks like Bob Lazar if it's the exact 650 01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:22,880 same criteria as um More and um, who's the coast to coast woman that 651 01:02:23,239 --> 01:02:29,639 that that's also let him on how it fits the exact same Uh. Now 652 01:02:29,719 --> 01:02:32,400 she's mentioned in the documentary like More is, but I don't think the documentary 653 01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:37,239 mentions Bob Lazar. But when I listened to Lazar on Rogan, it was 654 01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,039 the exact same story. It's like, oh, well, they chose me 655 01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:44,159 to be the special uh you know, representative to tell the world that we 656 01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:49,400 have yeah kind of ads on it. Yeah, yeah, I think you're 657 01:02:49,519 --> 01:02:53,960 right. I think you're right. Um. And he doesn't even question how 658 01:02:54,039 --> 01:02:57,880 it is that he could go from being like, you know, just this 659 01:02:58,559 --> 01:03:04,440 this uh special liaison for people wanting to get the truth out to being involved 660 01:03:04,519 --> 01:03:07,159 in all this called duggery. I mean, well, many people don't realize 661 01:03:07,199 --> 01:03:10,840 about more was that and we go into this in the book, is that 662 01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:19,280 aside from voting out these wild stories, this all this crazy disinformation about area 663 01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:23,760 fifty one. Uh more, In nineteen ninety, he pled guilty to a 664 01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:30,480 felony charge of pandering in a district court and it was revealed that Lazarre had 665 01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:38,280 had basically recruited this uh this locally known prostitute and encouraged her to uh to 666 01:03:38,599 --> 01:03:47,000 basically um to you know, start start gathering customers and starts the same thing. 667 01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:51,199 He had a whole he was running a prostitution ring. Yeah, That's 668 01:03:51,239 --> 01:03:57,239 who I'm talking about. Yeah, Blazar, did I say more? I'm 669 01:03:57,239 --> 01:04:00,559 sorry if I said okay, okay, I got you but in other words, 670 01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:06,639 a compromised person. Yeah, yeah, so you know that prostitute. 671 01:04:06,719 --> 01:04:12,559 Her name was Tony Bullock, and she received help from more in establishing her 672 01:04:12,639 --> 01:04:18,000 business. He helped modernize the computers in her brothel. And the really shocking 673 01:04:18,119 --> 01:04:28,679 thing about Lazar's pandering case was Lazar kept computer records of bullocks UH customers, 674 01:04:29,159 --> 01:04:34,000 and the police investigation shown that he had videotaped customers and maintained records of the 675 01:04:34,119 --> 01:04:40,400 license plate numbers and um and you know, um, this this woman that 676 01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:45,920 he worked with, Tony Bullock, had she was she was hooked into Las 677 01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:50,840 Vegas Metro Police, she was hooked into the FBI. Basically, he's Jeffrey 678 01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:57,760 Alienstein. Yeah, exactly, exactly. So I mean, like all of 679 01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,920 a sudden and looking at this guy, we've moved. It's all the way 680 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:06,480 away, far away from from UH anything having to do with UFOs, the 681 01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:13,360 sexual the sexual entrapment and blackmail schemes that we would would that we would um 682 01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:20,400 associate with people who were involved in in UH in UH covert politics, people 683 01:05:20,519 --> 01:05:26,719 like Jeffrey Epstein, people like William William Hitchcock. Melon and the Melon family, 684 01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:30,320 by the way, plays a huge role in the disclosure project right now, 685 01:05:30,719 --> 01:05:35,119 this fake disclosure that we have, this fake disclosure trend as does um 686 01:05:35,639 --> 01:05:41,119 right, Yeah, absolutely absolutely, But you know, all of a sudden, 687 01:05:41,159 --> 01:05:44,199 he's become this cloak and dagger figure. And does he even realize that 688 01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,440 that's what's happened to him and that he's being in that he's being used to. 689 01:05:48,679 --> 01:05:54,519 Yeah, yeah, and in the in spy games of this sort, 690 01:05:54,639 --> 01:05:57,880 you know, but yeah, I think I think you're right. He he 691 01:05:58,239 --> 01:06:01,199 he seems to realize in summaries fects that he's manipulated, but in other respects 692 01:06:01,239 --> 01:06:04,559 he's gullible and he believes a portion of what it is that he's actually putting 693 01:06:04,599 --> 01:06:09,719 out. And also, yeah, he's a really nuanced, nuanced character. 694 01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:15,840 Yeah, uh, Philip, did you want to say anything? I don't 695 01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:17,000 want to cut you off. You had something to say? No, no, 696 01:06:17,119 --> 01:06:19,519 no, that's that's quite that's quite a right. Uh. I also 697 01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:24,239 you know, wanted to point out like uh. And this returns to a 698 01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:29,360 theme that you know, we see recurring. Um. Another individual who was 699 01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:36,719 responsible in the uh uh in the UH the I guess the subversion of the 700 01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:45,760 mind of Benewitz was none other than Richard Doughty. And Richard Doughty had presented, 701 01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:51,880 if I'm not mistaken to Leonard to Linda Moulton Howe documents where it whearing 702 01:06:53,199 --> 01:06:59,800 it alleged that uh alien beans had created two thousand years ago uh A a 703 01:07:00,599 --> 01:07:05,280 a humanoid being to who would come to earth and teach man, you know, 704 01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:10,000 how to you know, UH spread this message of love and peace, 705 01:07:10,239 --> 01:07:13,320 teach them how to you know, how to live together and everything, which 706 01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:19,239 of course is a conspicuous solution to Jesus Christ, which again is this ongoing 707 01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:26,280 recurring motif with the alien, with the alien deception, this motif of an 708 01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:30,360 exo theological Christ, of a very different UH Christ, which of course is 709 01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:41,159 again derivative of the Christ promulgated we see by revolutionaries and subversive sorts like like 710 01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:47,280 Adam Weishaut and what have you. A very different Christ whose mission is mission 711 01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:55,320 is salvation, but its salvation, UH salvation through homogenization of humanity. Yeah. 712 01:07:55,599 --> 01:07:58,880 The only thing that the only thing that Richard Dodie ever said that was 713 01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,760 true as far as I can ascertain, was when he told Linda Moulton how 714 01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:09,119 that the the day the still was a was an intelligence project that was that 715 01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:13,679 was the only time he ever told any truth that was the and he's back 716 01:08:13,719 --> 01:08:19,520 at it again because John Stewart, the the uh libertarian um um politician from 717 01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:27,880 Illinois who ran for office there um was was basically trying to um well he 718 01:08:28,039 --> 01:08:31,399 was. He was looking into that. Do you recall the Area fifty one 719 01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:35,039 alien interview from nineteen ninety seven. We talked, I talked, Yeah, 720 01:08:35,159 --> 01:08:39,359 I did. I pulled it up on a live stream and was laughing about 721 01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:43,560 it because vo and watch it. It's pretty funny. Now that's terrible. 722 01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,880 Well yeah, but well, well John Stewart was looking into that. He 723 01:08:47,079 --> 01:08:53,479 called Richard Doughty just recently, and Richard Doughty's now telling them that the whole 724 01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:57,880 thing was real. So they're trying to gain attraction with that again. So 725 01:08:58,079 --> 01:09:00,319 here Doughty's trying to get that one, you know, to gain something. 726 01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:04,680 It's like Jimson Muppet level stuff. Right. Oh god, yeah, yeah, 727 01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:09,039 yeah, Now I got a question on that on that topic. That's 728 01:09:09,079 --> 01:09:12,880 interesting because yeah, they kind of run the same scripts. And I've never 729 01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:16,560 asked you guys about this, but another person who might have fit this pattern. 730 01:09:17,039 --> 01:09:20,600 Do you think that William Cooper when he had his alien phase that he 731 01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:25,680 was given some of this disinfo and that they used him or what do you 732 01:09:26,119 --> 01:09:29,720 think? Well, well, to his credit, and you know you read 733 01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:34,119 Behold the Pale Horse, he says as much. He says, if he 734 01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:42,399 makes allowances for the possibility that he was fed disinformation, even if if this 735 01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:46,840 is all, if this is all uh, if this is all disinformation, 736 01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:53,239 if this was all fed to me uh by you know, intelligence operatives, 737 01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,920 then you have then you have now read exactly what it is they want you 738 01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:01,319 to believe. So he remained. He remained relatively, at least around the 739 01:10:01,399 --> 01:10:09,600 time of beholda Pale Horse, relatively ambivalent about about the possibility of the alien 740 01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:13,960 narrative being true. I as as he went on though, as he you 741 01:10:14,039 --> 01:10:16,159 know, before his death and everything, as he as he grew older, 742 01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:20,279 he really came to doubt it. He actually believed and started to believe. 743 01:10:20,319 --> 01:10:25,119 It was just one of those one of the things that played into his um 744 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:30,439 one of the things that played into his uh, his whole uth phone narrative 745 01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,680 when he was a believer in that was that JFK had been shot by the 746 01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:41,560 driver of the vehicle. And um, um, there there's this um there 747 01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:46,800 was this uh UM investigative reporter. Her name was Sherry Seymour and she wrote 748 01:10:47,119 --> 01:10:56,279 a book over Danny Casillaro's death. Danny Casillaro the investigator into UH into the 749 01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:01,000 disappearance of Promise software into into the by the Justice Department of that of Promise 750 01:11:01,039 --> 01:11:09,560 software from Insulaw and it. And when she was investigating that case, UM, 751 01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:17,039 she spoke to one of Castolero's um UM sources. UH, this intelligence 752 01:11:17,159 --> 01:11:21,600 guy, this guy involved in intelligence work by the name of Robert Booth Nichols, 753 01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:27,399 and Robert Booth Nichols out of nowhere pulls out this tape and shows her 754 01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:31,560 this tape that where it appears that the driver shoots Kennedy and all, so 755 01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:39,680 you know, UM, so here these these uh, these disinformation agents surrounding 756 01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:46,119 Promise Software are showing, are showing Sherry Sherry Seymour the exact same video that 757 01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:56,199 that UM that William Cooper scene and Austin so so obviously you know UM that 758 01:11:56,560 --> 01:12:00,720 video had been disseminated to people like William Cooper to muddy the waters around things 759 01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:06,720 like the theft of Promise software, to muddy to muddy the waters there and 760 01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:14,720 all with wild tales of of UM aliens and and UFOs and the like in 761 01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:18,640 order to skirt the real issue that the UH that a portion of the government 762 01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:27,960 had had stolen this UM, this software with a tremendous potential for surveillance and 763 01:12:28,119 --> 01:12:35,880 all and another thing UM with UH because he believed UM. Cooper said at 764 01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:40,600 one point that he believed that Kennedy had been killed because of what he knew 765 01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:45,319 about the alien secret that all came from a man named E. Howard Hunt. 766 01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:50,359 He had Hunt told, Yeah, E Howard Hunt told that to Douglas 767 01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:59,560 Caddy. Douglas Caddy was for a brief time UM for UH for UM UM 768 01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:04,560 the Watergate burglars, and M. E. Howard Hunt told him that Kennedy 769 01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:09,960 was killed because he was going to share with the Soviets quote unquote the alien 770 01:13:10,119 --> 01:13:15,640 presence, the truth about the alien the alien presence. And so you know, 771 01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:23,199 so some of that disinformation that UM that had polluted Bill Cooper's mind had 772 01:13:23,279 --> 01:13:29,239 come from E. Howard Hunt, who who incidentally connects with today's crop of 773 01:13:29,399 --> 01:13:35,960 fake whistleblowers because E. Howard Hunt oversaw Brigade twenty five oh six, which 774 01:13:36,079 --> 01:13:42,319 was the brigade that was supposed to be that was that was that carried out 775 01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:49,399 it was this brigade of Cuban X House that carried out the unsuccessful Ada pigs. 776 01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:55,359 And well, guess whose father, Guess whose father was a part of 777 01:13:55,439 --> 01:14:00,119 that brigade twenty five oh six, and all Lewis Alexando. Luis Alesando is 778 01:14:00,119 --> 01:14:05,479 actually Louis Losando the fourth. Louis Alexando the third. His father was part 779 01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:11,159 of Brigade twenty five h six, which was overseen by E. Howard Hunt, 780 01:14:11,239 --> 01:14:16,119 which suggests suggests that us that Louis Alesando and all his crazy stories about 781 01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:25,439 a tip and uh and about these um these recoveries of this recovery of these 782 01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:30,800 unearthly UAPs and whatnot are all Yeah, it's all part of a multi generational 783 01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:35,399 deception plan. So yeah. So in other words, when we see a 784 01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:40,760 big, big scale event that occurs, whether it's JFK or nine to eleven 785 01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:46,439 or something else, these people um inject themselves, find people who are sort 786 01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:51,399 of voices and feed them a bunch of the disinformation, usually to tie it 787 01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:54,640 to the alien stuff. So it's in other words, we can see a 788 01:14:54,720 --> 01:15:01,520 pattern of the alien gibberish being attached to actual events to muddy the waters. 789 01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:06,399 Which itself calls into question the alien mythos and narrative as a whole, so 790 01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:13,760 it's used as a kind of toxifying thing. Um also has a larger agenda 791 01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,119 potentially with where they want to take us. And so let's move up to 792 01:15:17,039 --> 01:15:23,039 another figure who I think is another type of Bob Blazar, another type of 793 01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:27,720 William Moore, and that's Tom DeLong, who's chosen from this you know, 794 01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:35,439 kind of pop punk band to be the twenty seventeen eighteen nineteen era diffuser of 795 01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:41,880 of of well disinformation. I was gonna say information, but so he's Oh, 796 01:15:42,079 --> 01:15:45,520 I met with generals and high ranking military and they told me that I'm 797 01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:48,840 going to be the new chosen guy to leak this next face. So you'll 798 01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:53,600 notice it comes as cycles, right. And now, now in the last 799 01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:58,000 two years post Kouf, you know, we've got a new crop now that 800 01:15:58,119 --> 01:16:01,640 people don't care what Tom DeLong says, so they can recycle these people. 801 01:16:02,119 --> 01:16:05,920 And so let's get up into the new crop of these people, right and 802 01:16:06,359 --> 01:16:13,359 Tom Tom Um Tom DeLong, he was connected to Lue Losando, to Christopher 803 01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:17,960 Nell and Melon, to Jim Simi Vant to how pootof all of these individuals 804 01:16:18,239 --> 01:16:25,880 have a have an intelligence uh an intelligence pedigree there and he never he never 805 01:16:26,159 --> 01:16:34,479 wants questions whether or not they're using him right and to disseminate um disinformation and 806 01:16:35,359 --> 01:16:44,399 and something about the DeLong saga and and well this this applies generally speaking, 807 01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:51,000 it all seems to conform to the same modus operandi that we saw back with 808 01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:57,960 the Holloman landing, where um, you know, Robert Emmeneger, who is 809 01:16:58,039 --> 01:17:01,359 this movie producer, is wanting to come out with uphos Past, Present and 810 01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:06,000 Future the doc I believe that was the name of the documentary. And he 811 01:17:06,279 --> 01:17:11,880 promised, he's promised by these Air Force people that that they're going to give 812 01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:19,960 him this revelatory material and actual filming of a landing at Holloman Air Force Base 813 01:17:20,319 --> 01:17:27,760 and a meeting of these alien emissaries with with with human diplomats and all. 814 01:17:28,079 --> 01:17:32,560 And you know, so he starts prepping the documentary and he and he begins 815 01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:38,079 adding that into the script, and that script fine, and that script starts 816 01:17:38,119 --> 01:17:44,800 to get distilled into a movie form with you know where they're where. They're 817 01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:49,159 explaining in the audio that this historic event happened at Holloman Air Force Base and 818 01:17:49,359 --> 01:17:53,279 He's like, Okay, now, where's the film. Where's the film? 819 01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:57,399 Where's the film? And they never produced it, they never gave it. 820 01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:00,680 And if you go and you watch that documentary, all they have now is 821 01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:05,039 artist depictions. This is what it looked like from an artist standpoint. And 822 01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:11,279 and that's exactly what happened with DeLong Is. DeLong Is promised a bunch of 823 01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:16,720 stuff and he never He's never given it, and and um, and what 824 01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:23,840 happens over time is that all of the major deceivers that were connected with him 825 01:18:24,199 --> 01:18:28,800 start to go like this and disperse, and all lou Elisondo is no longer 826 01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:32,760 with Two the Star's Academy, Christopher Mell no longer with Two the Stars Academy. 827 01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:38,319 I don't believe that how Putov is necessarily associated with it in any meaningful 828 01:18:38,399 --> 01:18:44,000 way anymore as well, And and DeLong Is just left looking like this, 829 01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:53,159 uh this, you know, stoned burnt out rock rock artist. And in 830 01:18:53,319 --> 01:18:59,439 the book I pointed out that he went I believe he went camping in and 831 01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:03,800 around where area fifty one, and he had an experience out there in the 832 01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:11,039 desert, and and um what what what? What we point out in the 833 01:19:11,119 --> 01:19:15,159 book is that we believe that with that event, because he was out in 834 01:19:15,239 --> 01:19:18,000 the desert, you know, in close proximity to Area fifty one, that 835 01:19:18,199 --> 01:19:21,960 drew the attention of deep state actors to this man. And they said, 836 01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:27,640 okay, now we could well let's let's let's glom onto him. Yet let's 837 01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:33,199 use and exploit his um, his celebrity to our Indians and all. And 838 01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:39,520 and that's exactly that's exactly what they did with with DeLong because you know, 839 01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:45,039 you listen to the guy talk and he sounds like he's just he's either burnout 840 01:19:45,119 --> 01:19:49,279 on too much pot or has add you know, too much Coco puffs and 841 01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:54,600 all too much sugar, you know, um. And so it's obvious that 842 01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:59,399 he's not of the intellectual prowess to where he could question anything that they told 843 01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:03,119 him. He it was the perfect person to manipulate, yes, exactly now. 844 01:20:03,359 --> 01:20:06,760 And so his like you said, that thing kind of fizz fizzled out 845 01:20:08,399 --> 01:20:12,800 after, you know, promoting all this all this great disclosure stuff. But 846 01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:17,600 disclosure hasn't gone away. In fact, in the last two years since we 847 01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:23,479 did that interview, we've only seen the ramping up. First, we start 848 01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:30,399 seeing I'm going roughly from memory here so Fox suddenly starts touting these blurry old 849 01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:34,279 videos that everybody's seeing a million times of the so called unidentified craft that are 850 01:20:34,319 --> 01:20:39,680 caught on right. And then we get oh, there's gonna be this disclosure. 851 01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:43,800 Oh, the Pentagon's gonna disclose the information. And then we get to 852 01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:50,359 calls for inquiry, congressional inquiry, all this stuff. Then we get more 853 01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:57,960 a new crop of whistleblowers, supposedly now from the intelligence apparatus. Then we 854 01:20:58,159 --> 01:21:04,920 get these ridiculous balloon stories where balloons are floating into our airspace and we don't 855 01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:09,720 know what to do, and Biden is uh, you know, compromised by 856 01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,239 the Chinese, so he's not shooting it down, and oh it might be 857 01:21:12,359 --> 01:21:15,760 actually alien craft. And then and then they never recover it. Then yea, 858 01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:20,520 they never recover recovery so that they can make it into the ultimate rorshack 859 01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:25,439 int plot, so that they can project onto that whatever they want to be. 860 01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:29,399 If they wanted to be Chinese, it'll be Chinese. Russian Rome, 861 01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,760 it's a Russian June. If they wanted to be a Venusian of Venusian origin, 862 01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:35,760 then so be it. Yeah, And if I might also point out 863 01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:45,560 coinciding with that particular, that particular spate of sightings were the revelations made by 864 01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:49,439 Seymour Hirsch concerning the nord Stream pipeline and who may have blown it up but 865 01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:54,760 exactly, but people were paying more attention to the fire and the ferminent than 866 01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,920 the fire in the sea, which was you know, was the nord Stream 867 01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:01,079 pipeline at that point. Also, I forgot to mention, right before the 868 01:22:01,279 --> 01:22:04,840 balloon story, we had NBC News for the first time that I'm aware of, 869 01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:10,600 interviewing the guy's name escapes me. I sent you guys that clip and 870 01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:14,079 I put it up on Twitter. But um, interviewing the guys saying, 871 01:22:14,119 --> 01:22:17,239 oh, we're pretty sure now there is an alien mothership above earth. If 872 01:22:17,239 --> 01:22:20,319 you remember that, I've never heard that I actually used. I mean, 873 01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:25,800 mainstream news will talk about they love to talk about aliens. And then we 874 01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:32,039 got not too long after that, the infamous Arizona eight foot tall alien story. 875 01:22:32,119 --> 01:22:34,720 Did you guys see that one that went virus? Well that yeah, 876 01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:38,359 in the backyard. They had it. They saw it in their backyard, 877 01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:43,600 the giants in their backyard. Yeah yeah, yeah, and um, but 878 01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:48,680 yeah, I mean all of this is to is to apply pressure, so 879 01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:55,239 to speak for the inquiry, for the congressional inquiries, so that they can 880 01:22:55,359 --> 01:23:00,000 start like really amping it up on a national level. Because what what fell 881 01:23:00,079 --> 01:23:03,720 into that orbit? You know when when you're you're going over that too, 882 01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:09,079 that two year span of time. What also fell into that orbit was what 883 01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:16,039 last year twenty twenty two congressional hearings over UAPs. Yes, and and again 884 01:23:16,159 --> 01:23:21,720 what did we see? Just like you said, inconclusive films that are blurry, 885 01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:30,119 that are that the picture is grainylatory, They're not revelatory any sense. 886 01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:35,600 And you got to laugh your your ass off because you got like Scott Bray, 887 01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:42,079 who was the Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence, showing these films to them 888 01:23:42,279 --> 01:23:44,800 and and and saying, okay, there was did you just see it? 889 01:23:45,039 --> 01:23:49,560 It just flew by and and and the fun and the funny thing is is 890 01:23:50,079 --> 01:23:57,600 is is that you know um uh, the recently censured um Adam shift Adam 891 01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:01,600 Schiff is there and he's like uh, and he even says, quote unquote 892 01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:03,960 what am I supposed to be seen? You'd think he see it with this 893 01:24:04,119 --> 01:24:08,359 good eye? Yeah, what am I supposed to be seen? Please tell 894 01:24:08,399 --> 01:24:12,039 me what I'm supposed And he has to see something The reason he had to 895 01:24:12,119 --> 01:24:19,439 see something was because he is a major recipient of raytheon money and and these 896 01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:26,640 defense contractors are really melking this for all its worth and because you know this 897 01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:31,680 threat narrative, um, you know more of all the u you know defense 898 01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:36,760 budget. Yeah, yeah, well I I got something to sell you that 899 01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:41,239 I'll knock a UAP out of the sky and all. That's what they you 900 01:24:41,319 --> 01:24:45,479 know. So so so Adam Schift, Adam Schiff is absolutely obligated to see 901 01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:48,720 something there. So he's bagging bray, please show me something so I can 902 01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:54,720 build this mobile into a mountain. And uh, but you see this with 903 01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:59,920 all of them uh watern named Kirsten Jilabrian who has been working with Marco rub 904 01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:03,800 and all, where did she get major donations from and all? It was 905 01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:08,359 a big deal in the news years just a few years ago that she had 906 01:25:08,399 --> 01:25:15,319 got it from her um from her in laws overseas, Sydney Jillibrand. Sydney 907 01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:23,319 Jillibrand was at one time high up in BAE Systems and BAA Systems is a 908 01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:30,479 major defense contractor. They were involved in the the um um El Yamama um 909 01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:36,720 uh weapons deal with the with the Saudi Arabians with the Saudia elites years ago 910 01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:41,520 that caused us stink and all. And so you know, she's supposed to 911 01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:45,960 be seeing this, seeing you know, something there in these grainy pictures as 912 01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,199 well. Well, she was not at the twenty twenty two, but she 913 01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:51,640 um congressional hearing, but she's she you know, she's supposed to build these 914 01:25:53,079 --> 01:25:56,720 these into some major threat narrative too, so that you know, these defense 915 01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:00,399 contractors that her family is plugged in with can melt it all for for what 916 01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:05,359 it's worth and all. But um, you know, but it just you 917 01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:09,840 know, you you watched it, and you see Adam Shift, and you 918 01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:14,520 see Carson, and you see these other members of that panel. They're just 919 01:26:15,279 --> 01:26:18,319 begging for Bray to build it up into more than what it really is. 920 01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:25,079 And and you know in one in one film like something shoots by like that 921 01:26:25,359 --> 01:26:31,399 in Scott in just seconds and like Bray basically says, he says, he's 922 01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:35,800 like that's all that's all we got, and and and then he says and 923 01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:41,079 in and in many in many cases a lot less than that. Yeah, 924 01:26:41,119 --> 01:26:45,319 So it's all unremarkable and everything. But these people feel it's incumbent upon them 925 01:26:45,399 --> 01:26:48,960 to pardon the expression, to polish this turd this you know, this evidency 926 01:26:49,039 --> 01:26:54,239 occurred, and and um and but but if that's all you have, or 927 01:26:54,319 --> 01:26:59,159 even less and anything, then I don't see where it's difficult to make the 928 01:26:59,239 --> 01:27:03,279 case for this a you know, a smoking gun for for the alien presence. 929 01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:09,119 But nevertheless they have to Yeah, and Chiff, I might add is 930 01:27:09,199 --> 01:27:15,359 also is also plugged into the alien deception in all in a in a unique 931 01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:21,520 other way, This guy Davis David Grush, who is was with the National 932 01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:28,000 Geospacial Agency and with the National Reconnaissance Office. Who Twitter a lot? Yeah? 933 01:27:28,319 --> 01:27:32,439 Who who just who just you know put out these this latest crop of 934 01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:40,039 leaks and all um. He's represented by the Compass Rose Legal Group. The 935 01:27:40,159 --> 01:27:44,920 Compass Rose Legal Group was founded by Eric Bacaj, who was a CIA official 936 01:27:45,279 --> 01:27:49,680 who left the CIA in twenty fourteen because of some internet scene fighting that he 937 01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:55,439 was involved in there and he presented himself to the public as a as a 938 01:27:55,840 --> 01:28:03,840 whistleblower. Well when when the twenty when the UH the first impeachment of Donald 939 01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:11,159 Trump took place, which was around UH twenty twenty nineteen or somewhere in that 940 01:28:11,239 --> 01:28:20,319 avenue seventeen when that took place them the whistle blow there Eric Cierrella and all 941 01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:27,039 didn't go through his chain of command at CIA. He went directly to Adam 942 01:28:27,199 --> 01:28:35,840 Shift's office where they probably coached him and filling out his whistleblower uh complaint and 943 01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:42,119 all. And then after going to Adam Shift, he's he's recommended to go 944 01:28:42,279 --> 01:28:48,600 to who Compass Rose Legal Group, the same group that represented David Grush and 945 01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:54,600 all. And so so I mean like so, so you know there's this 946 01:28:54,880 --> 01:29:02,439 this tie between between Adam Shift, Compass Rose Legal Group and and and uh 947 01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:09,800 and David Brush there. So you know, um, well what sorry, 948 01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:15,239 go ahead, okay, what one shift that seems to have happened between say, 949 01:29:15,399 --> 01:29:20,159 what we would see in this alien sphere from the twenty tens to now 950 01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:25,319 is that in the last two to three years, we've seen a lot of 951 01:29:25,399 --> 01:29:35,680 these uh so called whistleblowers, so called intelligence people coming forward and with purportedly 952 01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:42,399 more credibility. So in the twenty two thousands and the twenty tens, people 953 01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:45,279 who would speak out on this were typically still kind of characterized as kouki. 954 01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:50,479 They weren't really given um you know, Fox News airtime. Then we started 955 01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:55,239 seeing a shift in the in twenty twenty, where no, now we're going 956 01:29:55,319 --> 01:29:59,680 to start giving you know, people from the Navy, people from the Deep 957 01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:06,079 State, major airtime to actually say this, and they're no longer presented ask 958 01:30:06,319 --> 01:30:11,399 kind of outliers. The only I know I remember, do you guys remember 959 01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:15,000 you'll know this. I can't remember this guy's name, but my first memory 960 01:30:15,079 --> 01:30:19,600 of a recent government official coming out and saying that he does believe in aliens 961 01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:23,319 in the government is not telling us the truth. I know. There have 962 01:30:23,359 --> 01:30:26,800 been people like you know, who were obvious to like disinfo, people like 963 01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:31,000 the general who has the old Google videos saying that there's underground bases and there's 964 01:30:31,039 --> 01:30:35,439 clones and there's alien wars. I forget that guy's name, but there was 965 01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:41,760 a Canadian you remember, the Canadian intelligence guy in the twenty tens who came 966 01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:47,520 forward saying there's real hardcore evidence of aliens and the Canadian government is hiding it. 967 01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:51,560 But he was still seeing I don't remember that guy's name, but he 968 01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:56,079 was he was still seeing us kind of like a fringe kind of quack figure. 969 01:30:56,600 --> 01:31:00,159 But no longer are these people the fringe quacks. These are like on 970 01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:06,279 you know, again primetime news now mainstream normy news presented as authoritative officials. 971 01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:10,319 And that's a major shift that I see. What do you think of that? 972 01:31:11,079 --> 01:31:13,640 Yeah? I agree with that. I mean, like one thing that 973 01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:19,640 they trotted out with people as Alsando and with with Grush is their credentials. 974 01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:25,640 Yes and all David David Grush. They they they focus in on the fact 975 01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:31,720 that he was with the National Reconnaissance Office and with the nationals Facial Agency, 976 01:31:32,279 --> 01:31:38,760 and they really they really play that up. But then what you have to 977 01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:42,920 do is is don't put the put the credentials to one side for a moment 978 01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:47,520 and listen to the stories and then ask yourself, ask yourself, have you 979 01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:53,439 not heard this before? Exactly right? I mean like when I heard so, 980 01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:57,119 I sat there. First I read the degreef First, they do all 981 01:31:57,159 --> 01:32:00,920 they can to differentiate themselves from the fringe, and than they bear at the 982 01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:04,239 fringe, right, And uh So I sat there and I read the debrief 983 01:32:04,359 --> 01:32:12,199 article, and then I read Schellenberg's article where he provided elaboration on his sub 984 01:32:12,319 --> 01:32:19,760 stack and all about Rush and the allegations that he was bringing forward, none 985 01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:24,119 of which he has firsthand experience of. By the way, It's all quote 986 01:32:24,199 --> 01:32:29,640 unquote interviews that he did with intelligence officials. He hasn't he hasn't seen any 987 01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:32,880 alien debris. He hasn't touched any alien debris. He has never seen an 988 01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:40,479 alien and or or an alien craft. He's he's never seen anything like that. 989 01:32:41,079 --> 01:32:45,880 And all you listen, you listen to the stories that he tells or 990 01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:49,920 that his sources are telling, and then you go back. So I'm there 991 01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:54,000 and I'm listening to this or and I'm reading this, and I'm like, 992 01:32:54,399 --> 01:32:59,159 gee, Clifford Stone much guy, Um you know, uh, you know, 993 01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:02,239 to Timothy Good much dude, and all it's all stuff that you could 994 01:33:02,279 --> 01:33:06,319 get from a Timothy good book or a cliff or the Clifford or Clifford Stones 995 01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:15,000 quote unquote testimony. It's all really really old tropes that have been present in 996 01:33:15,119 --> 01:33:20,600 the youthful community going back. The only thing I would say that's different is 997 01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:27,119 that these, um, these retrieval stories that he's telling now are are are 998 01:33:27,239 --> 01:33:31,680 even more nonsensical than the old ones. One of his one of his sources, 999 01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:36,800 um actually uh, you know, he was relating the story to Schallenberg 1000 01:33:38,199 --> 01:33:43,159 where he said, quote unquote, U there were cases where the craft landed 1001 01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:48,279 and the occupants left the craft unoccupied. Where the hell did they go? 1002 01:33:49,079 --> 01:33:54,600 Why the hell did they leave the ship in the first place? In people's 1003 01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:59,159 butts because oh yeah, okay, honey, I remember where we parked. 1004 01:33:59,279 --> 01:34:01,800 How the hell did they get did they get back to their home world? 1005 01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:09,560 You know, it's it's even more irrational and more contradictory than the old retrieval 1006 01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:12,680 stories. They just get out and they leave the ship. Have at it, 1007 01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:15,399 guys, And where did they go? And all? You know, 1008 01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:20,760 um, and this kind of contradictory and irrational behavior on the part of the 1009 01:34:21,399 --> 01:34:27,960 visitors. You know, Jacques Vallee in his more lucid rational moments back when 1010 01:34:28,039 --> 01:34:31,199 he actually wrote some stuff that was worth reading, you know, in his 1011 01:34:31,359 --> 01:34:38,039 book Messenger Messengers of Deception, he pointed out the fact that this, this 1012 01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:46,800 erratic and contradictory and irrational behavior on the parts of the visitors, um is 1013 01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:53,439 evidence that this is a terrestrial based phenomenon. Yea, And so you know, 1014 01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:57,960 so again, look, put put their pedigree to one side and all, 1015 01:34:58,079 --> 01:35:01,079 and just look at the stories. It's real old taps stuff. And 1016 01:35:01,479 --> 01:35:08,279 you know, who's the general that talked about the underground bases and the or 1017 01:35:08,359 --> 01:35:13,880 supposedly General or Commander X. Are you talking about Commander X. It's an 1018 01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:16,920 old Google video that everybody's circulated forever n ever, and then it went on 1019 01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:21,039 the YouTube and it's like this. He talks about the underground bases and there's 1020 01:35:21,039 --> 01:35:25,920 a war of the two different alien factions and there's their cloning people in the 1021 01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:28,920 underground basis. It's one of these classic, you know, kind of really 1022 01:35:29,039 --> 01:35:33,119 low low tier um alien gibberish. But Paul Hellier is the guy I was 1023 01:35:33,159 --> 01:35:38,479 trying to think of from twenty thirteen, the Canadian Ministry of Defense guy who 1024 01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:42,359 was saying, oh, you know, I'm a big whistleblower, you know, 1025 01:35:43,079 --> 01:35:48,239 aliens exist incident, who incidentally now actually admits that some of it is 1026 01:35:48,319 --> 01:35:54,960 earthly in origin. He actually admits that now, um um, yeah, 1027 01:35:55,159 --> 01:35:58,239 it's some of what you're talking about there. It sounds a lot like Commander 1028 01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:01,880 X. And nobody ever found out who Commander X was. Some people suggested 1029 01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:04,399 it that it was Jim Keith, and he was like, oh no, 1030 01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:08,560 not me. Standing in need of prayer, guys, I'm not. I'm 1031 01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:12,119 not you know, putting that weird stuff out and all, but like yeah, 1032 01:36:12,199 --> 01:36:16,119 I mean, like, um, uh, that Commander X stuff was 1033 01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:23,760 you know around back, and and it seems to be slowly being reintegrated a 1034 01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:27,399 lot of these ideas into the new into the new narrative that's being put out, 1035 01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:30,800 so eventually, so eventually I expect that we'll hear about you know, 1036 01:36:31,159 --> 01:36:35,000 battle at Dulcie again, you know, like you know, that's probably what 1037 01:36:35,079 --> 01:36:41,359 I'm thinking of the lay Hi files. That's probably yeah, yeah, yeah 1038 01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:45,960 and all. But yeah, you just you look at what they're putting out, 1039 01:36:46,039 --> 01:36:49,640 and it's all old hats stuff, you know. And one thing that 1040 01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:56,279 they're doing is is is like you said, they're ruling out the people's credentials, 1041 01:36:56,880 --> 01:37:05,760 but they're also they're also using, um using a certain uh um journalist 1042 01:37:06,079 --> 01:37:12,039 that can be that have that that have you know, some some credentials that 1043 01:37:12,199 --> 01:37:17,279 they can they can fall back on, and um and and and uh and 1044 01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:24,840 those those those um, those journalistic credentials actually lends some credence to the story 1045 01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:30,479 because in both the case of Lewis Alisando and the case of David Grush, 1046 01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:35,319 they have one thing in common. They got Leslie Kine breaking the story and 1047 01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:43,119 all and Leslie Kine in um in New Yorker magazine. She's presented in this 1048 01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:48,199 really modest light, in this really benign light. They say that she's this 1049 01:37:48,399 --> 01:37:55,840 quote unquote um stubborn but unassuming lady, and and you know, is a 1050 01:37:55,960 --> 01:38:00,920 self professed woman with a sensible demeanor and a nimble of curly graying hair and 1051 01:38:01,119 --> 01:38:06,119 just really pant point a pig, you know, basically present her as this 1052 01:38:06,359 --> 01:38:13,720 really rational, grounded journalist. But what most people don't know is that she 1053 01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:20,359 comes from this comes from one of America because her political dynasties. Her uncle 1054 01:38:21,239 --> 01:38:26,640 is Thomas King, who headed up the King nine to eleven commission. Yes, 1055 01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:31,479 and Thomas King. Thomas King later came forward. Thomas King later came 1056 01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:38,560 forward and said that the whole nine to eleven commission was on big farce and 1057 01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:47,560 all and and and so you know, you wonder if you know, if 1058 01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:56,399 she's following in her uncle's footsteps by you know, basically putting out this hive 1059 01:38:56,800 --> 01:39:00,520 for her, the false starts have had to do with pailings. For him, 1060 01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:04,600 it had to do with the all the same thing you're putting out, 1061 01:39:05,279 --> 01:39:14,960 you know, a false narrative that that you know, really skirts the really 1062 01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:23,479 so last question, yeah, go ahead, yeah, oh no, no, 1063 01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:26,760 no, go ahead, go ahead. Yeah. Last question would be, 1064 01:39:27,039 --> 01:39:32,960 um, do you do you think that other than the component of defense 1065 01:39:33,079 --> 01:39:39,159 funding and sort of doing a scam, do you think there's a reason why 1066 01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:44,680 they're rolling out these so called credential officials. Uh, they seem to have 1067 01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:48,640 a new one every year and really pushing this on the mainstream media. Um, 1068 01:39:50,039 --> 01:39:54,479 what what do you think is this? Is this for the long term 1069 01:39:55,039 --> 01:40:00,079 New age religion alien goal or is there a separate per I remember, by 1070 01:40:00,119 --> 01:40:04,880 the way, you remember too, I just remember this the uh Klaus Schwab's 1071 01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:11,760 World Economic Forum video from twenty sixteen, the one that they pulled down because 1072 01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:14,920 it had eight things to expect by the year twenty thirty. One of them 1073 01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:19,600 mentions alien life. So even Klaus and and Davos crew are in on this 1074 01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:26,600 scam because that that eight things to look for includes aliens, right, So 1075 01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:30,000 yeah, that's that's you know. Yeah, of course, the defense the 1076 01:40:30,359 --> 01:40:35,560 defense contractors want to line their pockets and the Pentagon wants to grow, and 1077 01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:41,479 it does seem to be working because they were only expecting for fiscal year twenty 1078 01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:45,880 twenty four and increase in spending of two percent, and now it's up to 1079 01:40:45,039 --> 01:40:50,079 like ten percent. That's what the that's what the government is now that their 1080 01:40:50,159 --> 01:40:55,199 own, their own reports are showing and and so how are you going to 1081 01:40:55,319 --> 01:40:59,880 justify that? Well, you got to have some some threatened narratives that rationalize 1082 01:41:00,239 --> 01:41:05,720 and eight percent leap in in above what expectations dictated and all. But there's 1083 01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:14,199 also social engineering of a religious nature text, because who is Lewis Alesando now 1084 01:41:14,319 --> 01:41:17,119 working with now that he's not with To the Stars Academy, he's working with 1085 01:41:17,319 --> 01:41:24,199 Ave Loweb Yeah, and a Loweb Okay. He's a theoretical physicist and he's 1086 01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:30,880 a founder of the Galileo Project for the Systematic Scientific Search for Evidence of Extraterrestrial 1087 01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:34,119 technological artifacts. Say that three times. Well, he's the one that was 1088 01:41:34,199 --> 01:41:39,079 on NBC. He was the one on NBC saying there's a mothership. Yeah, 1089 01:41:39,159 --> 01:41:42,680 that the mothership. He was the one who was pushing the mothership. 1090 01:41:43,039 --> 01:41:50,039 Nonsense. But um as as that rather verbose designation suggests. The Galileo projects 1091 01:41:50,119 --> 01:41:58,920 objective is ostensibly to find physical items related to alien technology, and according to 1092 01:41:59,039 --> 01:42:05,359 the Galileo Project website, the proposition animating this ambitious undertaking is that humans can 1093 01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:14,079 no longer ignore the possible existence of what he refers to as extraterrestrial technological civilizations 1094 01:42:14,199 --> 01:42:23,159 or etcs, and that science shouldn't disc outright potential extraterrestrial explanations simply because they're 1095 01:42:23,199 --> 01:42:30,279 burdened by cultural preference, cultural preferences, and social stigmas. And in order 1096 01:42:30,359 --> 01:42:36,239 to overcome those social stigmas and cultural preferences, uh, that haven burdened the 1097 01:42:36,359 --> 01:42:45,319 potential extraterrestrial explanations, The Galileo Project examines the UFO of phenomenon non using uh, 1098 01:42:45,079 --> 01:42:49,199 you know, the standard scientific method, you know, based on transparent 1099 01:42:49,239 --> 01:42:56,119 analysis of open scientific data. You know. So it's it's basically tantamount to 1100 01:42:56,560 --> 01:43:00,399 you know, a bunch of you know, a bunch of you know, 1101 01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:03,800 otherwise histrionic you know, ghost hunters going out. But oh look we have 1102 01:43:04,199 --> 01:43:12,439 we have you know, we have electronic digital voice recorders. We're collecting empirical 1103 01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:17,680 data. You know. It's it's the fetishization of the of the scientific method 1104 01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:23,520 to break and air of legitimacy to these things. But according to Loeb, 1105 01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:30,359 this approach differentiates the Galileo Project from the investigative efforts of the fringe. But 1106 01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:34,279 again, Loeb does what so many of the other whistleblower step Paul has mentioned 1107 01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:40,840 does he nevertheless parents the beliefs held by the fringe. Chief among those is 1108 01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:46,399 the alternate creatology dubbed directed spermium, which of course contends that terrestrial life was 1109 01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:54,000 deliberately seated by alien civilizations, and Loeb argues in support of this thesis in 1110 01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:59,239 two research papers, one of which was an opinion piece entitled Noah's Spaceship, 1111 01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:08,239 which basically examined the examined the proposition of off world migration by humanity in the 1112 01:44:08,479 --> 01:44:15,640 case of some apocalyptic event shades of Alternative three. There of the you know, 1113 01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:23,000 the the Alternative three documentary, which Pio documentary mocumentary exactly. But of 1114 01:44:23,119 --> 01:44:29,640 course, within the framework of this creatology, the creatology of pan Spermia directed 1115 01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:33,880 pan Spermia, again, aliens become de facto gods of a self sufficient, 1116 01:44:33,960 --> 01:44:41,039 a man order. And this, this intramundate divinity, it more closely resembles 1117 01:44:41,079 --> 01:44:45,359 the God of Nasticism than the God of Christianity, because, like the absolutely 1118 01:44:45,439 --> 01:44:50,840 transmundane Father of the Gnostics, alien deities never once sally themselves with the actual 1119 01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:57,039 act of creation. Instead, they decide to create new gods a new race 1120 01:44:57,079 --> 01:45:00,600 of gods from pre existing matter. They would never create matter itself, because 1121 01:45:00,720 --> 01:45:05,680 matter, of course is ontologically deficient, it's corrupt. And so this this 1122 01:45:06,319 --> 01:45:13,159 creatology, while it really raises more questions than it answers. Loa believes that 1123 01:45:13,319 --> 01:45:21,159 man's contact with this alleged ensemble raterrestrial divinities will result in the great synthesis of 1124 01:45:21,319 --> 01:45:26,119 science and religion. As a matter of fact, he writes, he says, 1125 01:45:26,239 --> 01:45:30,159 and I'll quoteum verbatim, how can we unite or how can we unify 1126 01:45:30,399 --> 01:45:38,279 religion and science by finding AI astronauts from a scientific civilization that is far more 1127 01:45:38,319 --> 01:45:45,119 advanced than we are. Galileo Project aims to search for extraterrestrial equipment or Earth. 1128 01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:49,159 The question remains, did God, in its religious or scientific interpretations, 1129 01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:55,720 create humans in the image and its image? Or did humans imagine the concept 1130 01:45:55,760 --> 01:46:00,159 of God in their mind? The Galileo Project can address the question. This 1131 01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:06,359 the qu scientific context of this question unquote. So that there you have there, 1132 01:46:06,399 --> 01:46:12,159 you have what the ultimate the ultimate thens thereof the promotion of a new 1133 01:46:12,359 --> 01:46:18,000 uh divinity. And interestingly enough, and this is where you see a man 1134 01:46:18,159 --> 01:46:23,920 with Lowe like loweb First of all, his exo theology is once again, 1135 01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:30,479 it's it's all derivative of Elivi's latter day interplanetarian gnosticism. But but you also 1136 01:46:30,760 --> 01:46:34,560 and by the way, Loweb, you know not not to go too far 1137 01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:41,159 field, but Loweb from I believe nineteen eighty three to nineteen eighty eight also 1138 01:46:41,640 --> 01:46:46,239 was UH was led one of the first projects to be promoted by none other 1139 01:46:46,359 --> 01:46:53,880 than the Strategic Defense Initiative SDI. So there you have him occupying the melia 1140 01:46:54,159 --> 01:46:58,319 of the cult of the super super Weapon, and he's in close. He's 1141 01:46:58,359 --> 01:47:02,600 in close. He's been close proximity to one possible member of the Aviary, 1142 01:47:03,119 --> 01:47:09,479 Edward Teller. Edward Teller UM. We know, we know that he got 1143 01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:14,199 UM Bob Lazzar his job at Age G and G, which got him out 1144 01:47:14,239 --> 01:47:21,039 to ask at all. But one a physicist that was a physicist associate of 1145 01:47:21,399 --> 01:47:27,199 Edward Teller, had told Greg Bishop that he believed that UM, that Edward 1146 01:47:27,239 --> 01:47:32,560 Teller was, UM was one of the Aviary because all these stories that UM 1147 01:47:32,840 --> 01:47:40,039 that John Lear, the CIA pilot was put Now he m this, this 1148 01:47:40,239 --> 01:47:45,479 physicist saw those stories of of like an alien human war taking place here on 1149 01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:50,119 Earth and UH and this this physicist said, yep, that sounds like something 1150 01:47:50,199 --> 01:47:55,159 that edwaruld say. And that's what what what he told. For those that 1151 01:47:55,279 --> 01:47:59,760 don't know, Edward Teller is not just connected to the Manhattan Project. He's 1152 01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:04,920 all so the father of atmospheric uh aerosol spraying and geoengineering. Right, that's 1153 01:48:05,000 --> 01:48:13,199 right. And he's also he's also associated with the milieu. It's it's diminished 1154 01:48:13,239 --> 01:48:16,399 in its UH influence here, you know, in recent years. But what 1155 01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:25,760 was known as Dominionism, which was a heretical strain of Christianity that basically promoted 1156 01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:30,319 the the held that the Perusia, the second Coming of Christ, would not 1157 01:48:30,800 --> 01:48:36,960 occur until UH Christians basically rose up and seized control of all the temporal machinations 1158 01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:45,680 of national governments and everything. But at any rate, um um, So 1159 01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:50,960 you have with Loweb, you have Loweb holds that that uh extraterrestrial civilized, 1160 01:48:51,319 --> 01:49:00,000 you know, highly advanced extraterrestrial civilizational uh technologically advanced civilizations and eventually come to 1161 01:49:00,199 --> 01:49:03,560 approximate God. That is even what he says it in his own words, 1162 01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:10,159 that they can but it's the closest approximation to God. And so you see 1163 01:49:10,279 --> 01:49:15,359 here where we have a new Heaven a new God um Um. But with 1164 01:49:15,640 --> 01:49:23,720 with uh this Man at Perusia that Loeb is tacitly promoting UH Man's role in 1165 01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:30,039 that is, in that Parisia is UH minimized considerably and in the upcoming UH. 1166 01:49:30,479 --> 01:49:36,399 In upcoming documentary entitled God Versus Aliens, Loeb basically predicts that extraterrestrials will 1167 01:49:36,439 --> 01:49:45,399 probably contact artificial intelligence before humans, and he basically says yeah. He says 1168 01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:50,840 that that, oh well, aliens will will likely will likely visit us using 1169 01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:56,920 AI systems, that our AI systems will have to interpret and vice versa because 1170 01:49:57,199 --> 01:50:00,039 for some reason they feel a kinship to them. And these notions of this 1171 01:50:00,239 --> 01:50:05,439 inexplicable kinship between aliens and AI, it's really nothing new, as it's evidence 1172 01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:11,880 by cultural artifacts like Star Trek, the motion picture which you know basically presented. 1173 01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:19,199 Yeah. Vitrescentient Mien was set by questions of meaning and purpose. The 1174 01:50:19,319 --> 01:50:25,520 only remedy for its existential crisis is the re establishment of contact between Viture and 1175 01:50:25,560 --> 01:50:29,560 its creator, and Vejure believes that its creator is being held captive by the 1176 01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:34,319 inhabitants of Earth, but the crew of the Enterprise eventually learns us that Vejure 1177 01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:40,039 is Voyager six, this twentieth century probe that was thought to be lost in 1178 01:50:40,159 --> 01:50:43,760 a black hole. And as it turns out, the probe was discovered by 1179 01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:49,600 this extraterrestrial race of living machines that adopts Feature and subsequently or well adopts Voyager 1180 01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:55,479 and subsequently updates it and releases it on its mission to return to its creator 1181 01:50:55,760 --> 01:51:00,079 and humanity. Is turns out being the creator of Viture, and at the 1182 01:51:00,279 --> 01:51:05,680 end, a member of the enterprise actually merges with Vjure, thereby birthing this 1183 01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:12,800 new disincarnate lifestuff life. Yeah. Actually, and now in you guys's book, 1184 01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:17,159 you did a great dissection, for example, of the really scott alien 1185 01:51:18,159 --> 01:51:25,000 universe and how there are all these homo erotic and sort of sex magic elements 1186 01:51:25,039 --> 01:51:28,880 and if you go back and I only know this because I recently watched Star 1187 01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:32,399 Trek the motion picture with Jamie and there's a lot of um, I would 1188 01:51:32,479 --> 01:51:39,800 say it verges on like Chrolean sex magic level stuff. What's actually missing on 1189 01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:46,840 the part of Vijure is the feminine element and the right has to merge with 1190 01:51:47,239 --> 01:51:55,239 the exactly yeah, Alia, the who is Vejure's probe? Yes, exactly. 1191 01:51:55,720 --> 01:51:59,800 Yeah, and and and so there you have with with with you, 1192 01:52:00,359 --> 01:52:05,399 with this this uh, you know, with with this this alien AI kinship 1193 01:52:05,600 --> 01:52:12,479 meme was released into the cultural ether for the consumption of minds uh, such 1194 01:52:12,520 --> 01:52:17,359 as low end you have the investment of faith and AI, which underscores one 1195 01:52:17,439 --> 01:52:24,199 of several intersections between the modern alien and transhumanism. And you know, as 1196 01:52:24,319 --> 01:52:29,920 as you know, transhumanism advocates the use of technic nanotechnology, biotechnology, cognitive 1197 01:52:30,039 --> 01:52:35,359 science, information technology, all to catapult humanity into this post human condition. 1198 01:52:35,720 --> 01:52:40,680 And once humanity has arrived at that condition, man will, in a Nietzschean 1199 01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:44,319 since, slay himself. He will cease to be man. He will become 1200 01:52:44,359 --> 01:52:48,920 a machine, immune to death and all the other weaknesses that once afflicted his 1201 01:52:49,439 --> 01:52:56,760 biology. So ultimately, transhumanism seeks to decommission uh nature, to seize the 1202 01:52:56,840 --> 01:53:01,600 reins of evolution and guide humanity, Uh, this elite class of post humans 1203 01:53:02,439 --> 01:53:14,279 beyond this ontologically deficient world towards a computational pleroma. Right now, whileisms relatively 1204 01:53:14,359 --> 01:53:16,520 new outlook, it's actually, of course, as you know, derivative of 1205 01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:24,359 an ancient heresy which we all know, uh is probably gnosticism because of in 1206 01:53:24,479 --> 01:53:34,319 particular because of its detestation of physical embodiment and it's do statistic cosmological uh attitude 1207 01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:42,000 UM. Not from ancient gnocissism, because transhumanists rejected the notion of the soul 1208 01:53:42,319 --> 01:53:46,399 then, which they supplant with an information pattern UM. And this this substitution 1209 01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:54,199 is inspired by computational functionalism, which was you know, has dominated to cognitive 1210 01:53:54,239 --> 01:54:00,800 sciences in recent years. UM. But computational functionalism basically analogizis the brain to 1211 01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:06,680 informational processing software. So all mental states, desires, pains, beliefs, 1212 01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:12,600 thoughts, all those are reduced to computational states in the brain. And this 1213 01:54:12,720 --> 01:54:18,359 analogy, like so many other analogies that theoreticians conjure up, is invoked as 1214 01:54:18,439 --> 01:54:25,279 an explanatory uddel to help make sense of an otherwise complex object of study. 1215 01:54:25,600 --> 01:54:30,640 And the important thing that for the audience to understand is explanatory models, such 1216 01:54:30,680 --> 01:54:38,039 as the one of computational functionalism, the analogization of the of the mind to 1217 01:54:39,159 --> 01:54:44,760 a computer. The thing to understand about these explanatory models is they're never really 1218 01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:50,000 fully descriptive or even entirely accurate, but they're at the end of the tame 1219 01:54:51,039 --> 01:54:58,479 frustrative analogy. They're all reduction. Yeah, it's something too, only one 1220 01:54:58,560 --> 01:55:01,159 type of thing, and that's our name. Exactly. The same people who 1221 01:55:01,239 --> 01:55:06,920 are um basically at the end of the day materialists and I think that matter 1222 01:55:08,199 --> 01:55:13,319 is quote dead matter, are also then telling us that there's going to be 1223 01:55:13,479 --> 01:55:18,720 some sort of evolution to a non material discarnate status or transcendent Yeah, exactly 1224 01:55:19,239 --> 01:55:28,119 exactly, and that that highlights a dialectical commonality between materialism and classical gnosticism. 1225 01:55:28,239 --> 01:55:35,600 While the materialists would the soul have unit a transcendent order, and you know, 1226 01:55:35,720 --> 01:55:39,720 the gnostic, on the other hand, uh, completely totally, you 1227 01:55:39,800 --> 01:55:47,039 know, uh, venerates a transmundane order and a transcendent order and detegrates the 1228 01:55:47,319 --> 01:55:53,520 physical body. Both both hold the common the dialectical commonality, the commonality of 1229 01:55:53,640 --> 01:56:00,319 disteleology. They hold that this is called a cosmic and ought not to be. 1230 01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:04,560 And that's why, for for the you know, ancient Gnostic, you 1231 01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:09,720 had to transcend the material world to reach the play roma. For for the 1232 01:56:10,159 --> 01:56:15,680 uh, for you know, the scientific materialists now, which is becoming increasingly 1233 01:56:15,840 --> 01:56:21,840 allergic to matter. Now you must transcend materiality into this informational you know, 1234 01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:29,359 computational reality. Um, and that's what transhumanists have done, is they've taken 1235 01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:35,560 the UH, the explanatory model of computational functionalism, and they've ontologized it. 1236 01:56:35,680 --> 01:56:42,880 They've ontologized illustrative analogy, analogies, helpful metaphors, and figures of speech, 1237 01:56:43,520 --> 01:56:49,960 thereby transforming them what was initially this socially constructive heuristic device into a full blown 1238 01:56:50,079 --> 01:56:55,680 ideology. Because we both know the computer is not truly analogous to the human 1239 01:56:55,720 --> 01:57:00,319 mind, let alone identical to it. But transhumanists act you do. And 1240 01:57:00,439 --> 01:57:06,319 this is what I find hysterically ironic. Transhumanists actually do what four Erbach accused 1241 01:57:06,520 --> 01:57:15,680 Christians of doing. Transhumanists actually assigned anthropomorphic qualities to computer functions that in reality 1242 01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:19,760 differ radically from human human thought. Just as for your Bach claimed that God 1243 01:57:19,960 --> 01:57:26,239 was the product of vicarious autotheism, that it's God is really nothing more than 1244 01:57:26,279 --> 01:57:31,199 the product of anthropomorphic projectionism. I can give you another example of this exact 1245 01:57:31,359 --> 01:57:39,119 same move that happened in logic, where I believe his name is Lewis, 1246 01:57:39,319 --> 01:57:44,680 but there's a guy who What happened was that people who were doing um thought 1247 01:57:44,760 --> 01:57:49,720 experiments in the domain of logic which discuss possible world's arguments, right, and 1248 01:57:49,840 --> 01:57:58,199 so possible world's arguments are there to illustrate logical possibilities and impossibilities. But the 1249 01:57:58,720 --> 01:58:02,159 business I think his name is lew Us, who then basically mapped that that 1250 01:58:02,439 --> 01:58:09,000 model of thought experiments into saying no, but possible worlds must then actually exist. 1251 01:58:09,600 --> 01:58:12,279 And so this is actually where we get multiverse. And so this is 1252 01:58:12,319 --> 01:58:19,479 where the new atheists can posit radically metaphysical narratives like this wild metaphysical stuff with 1253 01:58:19,600 --> 01:58:28,039 absolutely no physical imperial they'll talk about multiverse, but they're getting it from from 1254 01:58:28,119 --> 01:58:33,720 this, from this mapping of a thought experiment onto an actuality. Yeah, 1255 01:58:33,760 --> 01:58:39,840 they've taken a thought experience experiment and they've basically onto logized it. Basically they've 1256 01:58:39,880 --> 01:58:45,439 assigned a positive ontological ontological status that it does not possess. And since we 1257 01:58:45,560 --> 01:58:48,880 have the multiverse, which is really nothing more than just another iteration of the 1258 01:58:50,079 --> 01:58:56,239 world turtles, an endless column of turtle shelves extending downward, which you know, 1259 01:58:56,560 --> 01:59:02,079 as we know, it's an infinite regress of finite material cou that explanatory 1260 01:59:03,119 --> 01:59:14,039 power as that infinite uh multi versus another. It's another instantiation of um imminentizing 1261 01:59:14,600 --> 01:59:20,520 infinity, it's accepted, its correct. It's like, so Aristotle's notion of 1262 01:59:20,640 --> 01:59:26,960 God is as the first cause slash eternal actualizer. And if all, if 1263 01:59:27,000 --> 01:59:30,920 all potentialities in the One or in the monad, or in the first Cause 1264 01:59:31,039 --> 01:59:35,319 or in the God or whatever, if if there's if that being has any 1265 01:59:35,399 --> 01:59:41,920 potentiality, then it's argued, accord an Aristol that he must therefore undergo change 1266 01:59:41,960 --> 01:59:46,319 or is contingent. But one of the corollaries of saying that God is strictly 1267 01:59:46,439 --> 01:59:54,399 speaking pure actuality would mean that all potentialities must also come to be, so 1268 01:59:54,520 --> 01:59:57,600 they must also exist. So I'm not I don't believe that, but I'm 1269 01:59:57,640 --> 02:00:01,600 saying that. That's one reason for the essence energy distinction is that the modal 1270 02:00:01,720 --> 02:00:08,359 collapse argument of a problem would also you can go in different directions with modal 1271 02:00:08,399 --> 02:00:10,760 collapse. And one of the directions you can go in is that will all 1272 02:00:11,359 --> 02:00:16,279 potentialities, all of the for example, possible worlds that would be in the 1273 02:00:16,359 --> 02:00:21,840 divine mind. If God is pure actuality, then all the possible worlds must 1274 02:00:21,960 --> 02:00:28,119 come to be. And so if we remove, for example, divine free 1275 02:00:28,159 --> 02:00:32,479 will from God, one of the potential ways you can take that argument is 1276 02:00:32,520 --> 02:00:36,279 to say that, Okay, does God have knowledge of all the possible worlds? 1277 02:00:36,880 --> 02:00:41,680 Yes, because he's omniscient. Well, if he's omniscient and he knows 1278 02:00:41,720 --> 02:00:46,600 all possible worlds and his essence is synonymous with the divine ideas or the divine 1279 02:00:46,640 --> 02:00:51,079 mind, then everything that's in the divine mind must come to be. So 1280 02:00:51,159 --> 02:00:59,119 if God has knowledge of every possible created reality, that possible created reality is 1281 02:00:59,159 --> 02:01:01,960 as necessary as the divine essence and thus must come to be. And that 1282 02:01:02,199 --> 02:01:08,239 leads to the originist notion of immanationism. So all of the multiverse comes out 1283 02:01:08,279 --> 02:01:13,000 of the same originist position, right and and and now that that that originist 1284 02:01:13,159 --> 02:01:20,000 position, you have the apocalypse, apocalypse the size of history advanced by uh 1285 02:01:20,960 --> 02:01:27,479 Joachima Fjord. You have uh Jacop Boeim and and his his his model of 1286 02:01:27,560 --> 02:01:31,319 the uh, the uh uh the myth of self, of self debasement of 1287 02:01:31,479 --> 02:01:35,960 God. Forgot Boeim because he's in the He's mentioned in that Hegel and Uh. 1288 02:01:36,359 --> 02:01:40,439 I think he's mentioned in that in that first chapter two. Yes he 1289 02:01:40,680 --> 02:01:44,600 is and and and as a matter of fact, that's that's who else proceeds 1290 02:01:44,680 --> 02:01:48,399 from from Boeheim is is Hegel and then from hagel Mark, all of who 1291 02:01:48,760 --> 02:01:55,359 are advancing this Amanitist eschatology. And you see it now arriving at this grand 1292 02:01:55,479 --> 02:02:02,760 christndo Uh with the Amanitist escatology of the of the alien myth um Um, 1293 02:02:03,000 --> 02:02:08,720 which of course was inspired by Jacob Alevi and now advanced by men like Uh, 1294 02:02:09,039 --> 02:02:15,159 like Loeb, who believes that the Perusia, this new amanit Perusia, 1295 02:02:15,479 --> 02:02:21,840 will be precipitated by alien AI interfacing with our Ai. Humanity will So the 1296 02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:29,399 humanity requires a mediator, not through Christ, but through a cyber Christ, 1297 02:02:29,720 --> 02:02:33,399 Yes and everything, and the only way we will be translated into that play 1298 02:02:33,520 --> 02:02:38,720 roma is through AI. And so you see where now you have you have 1299 02:02:38,880 --> 02:02:44,079 the intersection between You have the intersection between Uh in Loeb, not only between 1300 02:02:44,359 --> 02:02:51,079 the beyond invoked as extraterrestrial gods and also the beyond invoked as the superweapon, 1301 02:02:51,159 --> 02:02:57,840 but the beyond invoked as AI and technological singularity. And therein is a great 1302 02:02:57,960 --> 02:03:02,600 rationale for the trans humanist future that that they are so desired to see. 1303 02:03:03,479 --> 02:03:10,560 We must we must now, Uh, we must now upload ourselves because we 1304 02:03:10,680 --> 02:03:17,319 have to join this cosmic community because AI is ahead, Go ahead. Jack 1305 02:03:17,399 --> 02:03:21,600 Atalis says in his book he actually calls it the gallum. He says that 1306 02:03:23,119 --> 02:03:26,079 he says that when the global brain is in place, and when when we're 1307 02:03:26,119 --> 02:03:29,439 all linked up to it, which he does link to ai UM. He 1308 02:03:29,520 --> 02:03:33,279 says, this is essentially the medieval UH myth of the gollum. And I 1309 02:03:33,319 --> 02:03:39,159 would I wouldn't be surprised if Loeb isn't also probably pulling from the same strands 1310 02:03:40,680 --> 02:03:43,560 I would. I would, I would be compelled to agree with you on 1311 02:03:43,680 --> 02:03:50,560 that. And I think Bell Shavast another another UH, another UH practitioner of 1312 02:03:50,720 --> 02:03:57,960 Kabbalah and everything, had likened computers to the gallum as well. Yeah, 1313 02:03:58,239 --> 02:04:00,520 absolutely, and anything. But you you see with that, you see the 1314 02:04:00,600 --> 02:04:06,239 intersection between all of these different iterations of the beyond and everything, but always 1315 02:04:06,279 --> 02:04:14,560 the same the same existential consequences thereof the homogenization of humanity, the UH, 1316 02:04:15,079 --> 02:04:21,399 the emergence of a new man and um, the UH, the instantiation of 1317 02:04:23,119 --> 02:04:28,600 a world order, of a technocratic world state. But at some point then 1318 02:04:28,720 --> 02:04:32,640 that means that they're going to have to fake sangularity, just like they're faking 1319 02:04:33,199 --> 02:04:36,600 things with aliens right now, they're going to have to have some kind of 1320 02:04:38,520 --> 02:04:43,039 event where they where they're able to claim, oh, this computer has reached 1321 02:04:43,119 --> 02:04:48,720 sentence sentience, which will never happen because computation. Consciousness does not arise from 1322 02:04:48,800 --> 02:04:56,199 computation. Computation arises from consciousness. Consciousness is the ontological foundation for computation. 1323 02:04:56,560 --> 02:04:59,880 How they're going to how they're going to convince everybody that you can put the 1324 02:05:00,119 --> 02:05:03,800 cart before the horse, like that is beyond me. So I mean, 1325 02:05:03,960 --> 02:05:09,319 like that false flag will probably be more retarded than the alien one. You 1326 02:05:09,399 --> 02:05:12,439 know, just trying to watch them, see how smart it is. See 1327 02:05:12,479 --> 02:05:15,840 it's smarter than me. It's trying to you know, get us to actually 1328 02:05:15,399 --> 02:05:21,680 go along with the idea that that this thing has somehow evolved itself a soul. 1329 02:05:21,800 --> 02:05:27,600 That's it somehow not just become smarter than us, but become a higher 1330 02:05:27,720 --> 02:05:31,039 life form, higher life exactly, and we need to listen to it. 1331 02:05:31,399 --> 02:05:36,840 It's superior because because it supposedly has quote higher intelligence. But um, I 1332 02:05:36,920 --> 02:05:45,239 mean that's that's assuming that computations equals intelligence exactly exactly. And it's already it's 1333 02:05:45,239 --> 02:05:49,720 already starting on a cultural level because Christopher Nolan, you know who of course 1334 02:05:49,880 --> 02:05:58,279 is releasing. Oppenheimer has already started speaking about the supposed dangers of AI and 1335 02:05:58,359 --> 02:06:01,159 anything maybe because he's AI will write a bread or script and he came. 1336 02:06:02,479 --> 02:06:08,960 But but it's all we already see. We already see the threat narrative there. 1337 02:06:09,560 --> 02:06:13,680 You know that now this this new iteration of the beyond, must be 1338 02:06:13,840 --> 02:06:20,960 brought into must be brought into the UH, into the the the UH under 1339 02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:27,319 the predictive control of a new of a class of socio political new MEDICOI people 1340 02:06:27,760 --> 02:06:32,680 laying claim to socio political noses. They have to mediate the beyondond And so 1341 02:06:33,199 --> 02:06:40,319 you know, a new class of experts to tell us right, absolutely yeah, 1342 02:06:40,399 --> 02:06:43,000 because nobody else can. We're not smart enough. We've got to have 1343 02:06:43,079 --> 02:06:47,600 this UH special ordained class that will um rein us in. And And one 1344 02:06:47,640 --> 02:06:50,239 thing that could happen too, that I think some people have posited as a 1345 02:06:50,319 --> 02:06:58,880 possibility is that the ability of spoofing and deep fakes and spoofing voices and all 1346 02:06:58,920 --> 02:07:01,640 this stuff that's this recently rolled out along with chat, GBT and all the 1347 02:07:01,720 --> 02:07:09,119 stuff, is the possibility of everything being called into question. And so now 1348 02:07:09,239 --> 02:07:15,479 authenticity could be um the new domain for a justification for oh, you want 1349 02:07:15,560 --> 02:07:18,840 to prove your you know, signing a paper over the internet. You want 1350 02:07:18,840 --> 02:07:21,319 to prove that this you and a video or a phone call or and so 1351 02:07:21,399 --> 02:07:25,600 now you've got to or you're you're on Sky. Now it has to be 1352 02:07:25,720 --> 02:07:29,920 private keys. We all need private keys on the Internet. So it could 1353 02:07:30,079 --> 02:07:34,039 be a new type of cyber nine to eleven event by which we can have 1354 02:07:35,199 --> 02:07:41,600 loss of freedoms is what I'm in potential actually, and actually i've I've already 1355 02:07:41,640 --> 02:07:46,560 seen it. Scatological scenarios like that being floated. Uh, we're looking at 1356 02:07:46,640 --> 02:07:51,439 a cyber apocalypse and the Internet will be lost for several months at a time 1357 02:07:51,840 --> 02:07:57,039 and anything, which I mean, you know, the worst I could see 1358 02:07:57,079 --> 02:08:03,119 a rising, such a such a a you know, set of circumstances like 1359 02:08:03,199 --> 02:08:09,920 that is what increased literacy. Maybe it increased the attention spans. Yeah yeah, 1360 02:08:09,119 --> 02:08:13,840 but they nature hikes and so yeah, but yeah, you're right, 1361 02:08:15,239 --> 02:08:20,239 Uh that that that would be probably the next threat narrative, the next rationale 1362 02:08:20,560 --> 02:08:26,800 for this elite class of new metapoy of of experts laying claim to socio political 1363 02:08:26,960 --> 02:08:33,840 nosis. Ads are using a you know, gonna have to have a new 1364 02:08:33,920 --> 02:08:37,800 layer of you know, controls or something. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm 1365 02:08:37,840 --> 02:08:43,680 so ringly confident in my belief that the these you know, these different false 1366 02:08:43,760 --> 02:08:48,439 flags that they have in in mind are just they're not going to they're not 1367 02:08:48,479 --> 02:08:54,239 going to get much traction out of them because they're just put together so so 1368 02:08:54,520 --> 02:08:58,119 poorly. I mean, like you can, I mean, like you just 1369 02:08:58,359 --> 02:09:01,640 you can see the problems and you know, whether it be like, um, 1370 02:09:03,239 --> 02:09:07,000 fake sentience in the computer or faked alien ovation. You know, um, 1371 02:09:07,399 --> 02:09:11,920 you can see just the holes in the narratives. You can run magnetic 1372 02:09:13,119 --> 02:09:18,319 trains through these holes, and so you know, they made a little bit 1373 02:09:18,359 --> 02:09:22,520 of mileage out of them. But eventually, like the reasonable skepticism starts to 1374 02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:28,279 to arise and starts to gradually pull the whole thing apart, kind of like 1375 02:09:28,560 --> 02:09:35,760 what happened with COVID, and so you know what, But so this whole 1376 02:09:35,800 --> 02:09:39,640 thing it's it's it's you know, it's being energized by what the social critic 1377 02:09:39,800 --> 02:09:48,319 James Howard Kunstler called the psychology of of previous investment and all, where you 1378 02:09:48,399 --> 02:09:52,560 know, the system of belief or the system of governance, the system of 1379 02:09:52,640 --> 02:09:58,840 control that these elites had is starting to is starting to uh, to deteriorate. 1380 02:10:00,039 --> 02:10:05,319 It's gradually starting, its starting to fall apart, and all but everything 1381 02:10:05,439 --> 02:10:09,640 they had, all their intellectual power, all their all their wealth, all 1382 02:10:09,680 --> 02:10:16,520 their intergocial and financial capital, everything, everything was invested in that. So 1383 02:10:16,760 --> 02:10:20,760 they have to keep it going. And that means and that even if that 1384 02:10:20,880 --> 02:10:26,760 means having Scott Bray stand up there in twenty twenty two before those people before 1385 02:10:26,840 --> 02:10:31,880 that congressional panel saying, oh you see that? Did you see that? 1386 02:10:31,039 --> 02:10:35,319 Just go by, and having Adam Schiff's say, could could you run that 1387 02:10:35,439 --> 02:10:39,079 back? Play that in slow mo? And I'll please repeat the tape. 1388 02:10:41,239 --> 02:10:48,319 You know they you know that they just they they they have so much invested 1389 02:10:48,399 --> 02:10:52,760 in it. Their whole being is invested in this thing to where now they 1390 02:10:52,880 --> 02:10:58,159 have to they have to they have to roll out even the worst, most 1391 02:10:58,399 --> 02:11:05,640 most just just unbelievable and sloppy, uh uh of false flags. And and 1392 02:11:05,960 --> 02:11:11,920 when you look at the UFO stuff, when you look at the UFO disinformation, 1393 02:11:11,079 --> 02:11:16,680 it's horribly sloppy. It's horribly sloppy even and it's no different with AI 1394 02:11:16,840 --> 02:11:22,840 and take technological singularity. Oh well, the computer, the computer beat our 1395 02:11:22,880 --> 02:11:26,279 best chess pitt layer. Well, the computer may have beat him, but 1396 02:11:26,359 --> 02:11:31,760 it beat him by replicating behavioral repertoires that it observed in advanced and that, 1397 02:11:33,439 --> 02:11:37,119 Yeah, I mean like they'll say things like, oh, my job is 1398 02:11:37,159 --> 02:11:39,199 going to go away. I'm going to be replaced by a robot. Well, 1399 02:11:39,239 --> 02:11:43,600 no, you're not, dummy, you're going to be replaced by the 1400 02:11:43,760 --> 02:11:48,600 dude depth programs the robot. You're not. You're not being replaced by a 1401 02:11:48,680 --> 02:11:52,880 robot. You're being replaced by a human programmer. And also you know it, 1402 02:11:54,079 --> 02:11:58,600 and it's all it does is it runs repertoires, It runs all the 1403 02:11:58,720 --> 02:12:03,399 possible pertours, and it notices patterns. But I mean even then, even 1404 02:12:03,479 --> 02:12:09,239 to call it intelligence artificial intelligence, it's really just a figure of speech. 1405 02:12:09,279 --> 02:12:13,039 It's not intelligence as we as the you know, the sort of intelligence that 1406 02:12:13,239 --> 02:12:18,279 we possess, right, and you know it's just running repertoires. That's not 1407 02:12:18,399 --> 02:12:22,279 intelligence. And life is not information, right, and all you are not 1408 02:12:22,520 --> 02:12:28,920 a bundle of information. You are that thing that uses the information, yeah, 1409 02:12:28,000 --> 02:12:33,520 that exploit that, that accumulates that information and exploits that information to whatever 1410 02:12:33,680 --> 02:12:37,520 ends. But you yourself are not that information. And all you're you're not 1411 02:12:37,600 --> 02:12:41,680 a webster's dictionary. You merely flip through one and use it and all. 1412 02:12:41,720 --> 02:12:52,279 That's analogy or way to explain the distinction between pure raw information and right selfhood 1413 02:12:52,479 --> 02:12:58,359 or the knower or the self right right exactly. I mean, just just 1414 02:12:58,600 --> 02:13:03,319 to assert that by virtue the fact that something has amassed a tremendous amount of 1415 02:13:03,520 --> 02:13:09,760 information, as is the case in Star Trek, you know, the motion 1416 02:13:09,880 --> 02:13:13,520 picture, or it's always almost the same from from film to film, the 1417 02:13:13,680 --> 02:13:18,560 film and Tornado with guy Net. These computers, oh, they amassed a 1418 02:13:18,640 --> 02:13:22,840 tremendous amount of information, and through the amassing of that information, they became 1419 02:13:22,880 --> 02:13:26,600 sitting, became conscious. Yeah, it became conscious. Well, why would 1420 02:13:26,600 --> 02:13:35,800 consciousness arise simply out of information? Okay, the information information is information arises 1421 02:13:35,880 --> 02:13:41,960 out of consciousness. But again, these elites are going to have to convince 1422 02:13:41,079 --> 02:13:46,960 us, or try to convince us that somehow they got the cart to go 1423 02:13:46,199 --> 02:13:52,880 before the horse, They somehow got this non secretary, they somehow got conscious 1424 02:13:54,000 --> 02:13:58,479 to rise out of computation, and they're going to do a horrible job at 1425 02:13:58,560 --> 02:14:05,319 it and everything, because uh, and if you look in twenty seventeen, 1426 02:14:05,720 --> 02:14:11,640 we we we look at twenty seventeen as the year of the great brain drain 1427 02:14:11,920 --> 02:14:16,840 for the oligarchical class. What happened in twenty seventeen, two people died. 1428 02:14:18,920 --> 02:14:22,279 David Rockefeller is the big name of Preszinski. They died within months of one 1429 02:14:22,319 --> 02:14:28,800 another. Those were after Kissinger, Those were the last two great minds of 1430 02:14:28,920 --> 02:14:35,479 the oligarchical class and all and after that, all you got is these johnny 1431 02:14:35,560 --> 02:14:41,680 come lately pampered you know, uh, pampered up and coming members of the 1432 02:14:41,760 --> 02:14:46,640 oligarchical class that that have never had to perform, never had to produce results 1433 02:14:46,159 --> 02:14:50,319 and all, I mean, you can see it with Mika Presents. God, 1434 02:14:50,439 --> 02:14:56,680 she's a freaking Mika Presents doesn't have even a fraction of her father's intellect. 1435 02:14:58,000 --> 02:15:01,479 Yea, and she she, I mean like she says the quiet part 1436 02:15:01,680 --> 02:15:07,399 out loud every given day that she's on MSNBC. I mean, so so 1437 02:15:09,000 --> 02:15:11,960 now, I mean, is the only one you got left is Kissinger. 1438 02:15:13,119 --> 02:15:18,359 That's the only one. I'll give you so how much longer until he ages 1439 02:15:18,399 --> 02:15:22,399 out? And all? So now you have, you know, a less 1440 02:15:22,760 --> 02:15:31,039 competent intellectual generation. Yeah, a less competent generation of the oligarchical class that 1441 02:15:31,199 --> 02:15:35,680 has to roll out this UFO threat narrative and has to roll out the AI 1442 02:15:37,039 --> 02:15:43,319 narrative and all, and and quite frankly, they don't know how to do 1443 02:15:43,520 --> 02:15:48,720 it. They can't. They're not going to pull it off in any real 1444 02:15:48,239 --> 02:15:52,760 convincing way. Lack the finesse, they lack the subtlety. Yeah, yeah, 1445 02:15:52,960 --> 02:15:56,520 I mean they'll do a lot of damage along the way, No, 1446 02:15:56,960 --> 02:16:01,800 no doubt, there'll be a lot of poor people out there collateralized and all. 1447 02:16:01,880 --> 02:16:05,720 But they're going to be unsuccessful in all of this, uh and all 1448 02:16:05,800 --> 02:16:09,479 of this stuff. So so well, you guys, you guys are so 1449 02:16:09,680 --> 02:16:13,960 basically, when the boom, the boomer oligarchy dies off, what we have 1450 02:16:13,199 --> 02:16:18,239 left, then it'll be the gen x oligarchy taking over. And um, 1451 02:16:20,199 --> 02:16:26,039 you're suggesting that there's an even greater gap of the brain drain between boomer oligarchs 1452 02:16:26,199 --> 02:16:31,760 and UH and gen x oligarch taking over. Builderberger meetings are going to start 1453 02:16:31,799 --> 02:16:37,680 to look like the breakfast Club, Right, that's a good analogy. They 1454 02:16:37,799 --> 02:16:43,799 just I mean like going back, you know, going back again to to 1455 02:16:43,319 --> 02:16:48,079 just look at the you know, this recent whistleblower David Grush and all, 1456 02:16:48,159 --> 02:16:52,239 and they and again they roll out the credentials, but again you look at 1457 02:16:52,280 --> 02:16:56,200 the stories and you're like, well, gee, I heard Clifford Stone saying 1458 02:16:56,280 --> 02:17:03,280 this crap years ago at at Steven Greers Closure, uh and all his you 1459 02:17:03,360 --> 02:17:07,120 know, and I read that sounds just like what Timothy Good said in his 1460 02:17:07,239 --> 02:17:11,840 book Above Top Secret, you know, which came out forever and forever in 1461 02:17:11,879 --> 02:17:18,520 a day ago. And all this is unoriginal, stale bread. With the 1462 02:17:18,719 --> 02:17:24,920 with the the old oligarchical class, you had a set of errant but nevertheless, 1463 02:17:24,600 --> 02:17:31,200 at least ostensibly profound aphorisms, you know, like uh, John Rockefeller 1464 02:17:31,319 --> 02:17:35,360 that the combined is here, the individualism is gone forever, you know, 1465 02:17:35,879 --> 02:17:41,600 um are Zabignia Presazynskia. We'll we'll see the emergence of a tech neutronic era. 1466 02:17:41,159 --> 02:17:46,879 Now, those aphorisms are like can be reduced to something more along the 1467 02:17:46,920 --> 02:17:50,200 lines like oh my gosh, like and I mean, that's that's, that's 1468 02:17:50,319 --> 02:17:54,920 that's essentially, that's essentially it like like oh my gosh, you're you're gonna 1469 02:17:54,959 --> 02:17:58,360 own nothing and you're gonna be happy and and and and those that older, 1470 02:17:58,440 --> 02:18:03,239 all of our class, God, they were good at contingency plans. And 1471 02:18:03,639 --> 02:18:07,600 I mean, for instance, if you look at the j of k assassination. 1472 02:18:07,040 --> 02:18:11,239 You could see where two narratives were planned out, that there was this 1473 02:18:11,440 --> 02:18:20,200 lone gunman narrative, and you saw that they anticipated the gunman narrative to slowly 1474 02:18:20,280 --> 02:18:24,559 be picked apart over time. So, so, well, how do we 1475 02:18:24,799 --> 02:18:28,840 keep from there being a disclosure of what really happened? Well we got this 1476 02:18:28,040 --> 02:18:33,399 second narrative setting in the way saying okay, yeah, he wasn't an alone 1477 02:18:33,520 --> 02:18:37,920 nut, but he was an agent of a foreign power and all those. 1478 02:18:39,639 --> 02:18:43,000 Yeah. So you know, so you have this, this, this, 1479 02:18:43,639 --> 02:18:48,239 these two different firewalls, you know that around around what really happened, around 1480 02:18:48,280 --> 02:18:52,600 the truth that allows you to bide some time. They don't know how to 1481 02:18:52,639 --> 02:18:58,520 come up with contingency plans like that anymomore. And you know they just I 1482 02:18:58,639 --> 02:19:03,000 mean, like the COVID proved it. You know, you looked at the 1483 02:19:03,040 --> 02:19:07,799 whole COVID psig up and it's like, don't wear a mask, wear a 1484 02:19:07,879 --> 02:19:13,120 mask, to wear two masks while you're at it, And and they're never 1485 02:19:13,639 --> 02:19:20,799 they're never going back and exten to contradictions. So people what they eventually see 1486 02:19:20,840 --> 02:19:24,000 the contradictions and say, you know what, I'll take my chances. And 1487 02:19:24,200 --> 02:19:28,559 they don't go out without a mask at all. And it eventually it really 1488 02:19:30,600 --> 02:19:35,040 that one fell apart. I mean like it felt forever, It felt forever, 1489 02:19:35,760 --> 02:19:37,280 like forever in a day. But really when you look at it was 1490 02:19:37,440 --> 02:19:41,840 really only two years that they really got out of that well will compared to 1491 02:19:43,000 --> 02:19:48,239 like the JFK assassination plot, where they've gotten like sixty some years and all 1492 02:19:48,280 --> 02:19:52,760 the principle, all the principal characters are now long dead as a result, 1493 02:19:54,799 --> 02:20:00,319 you know, they the older, the older all guards were able to to 1494 02:20:00,479 --> 02:20:05,680 come out with with far, far sided, long reaching plans that actually we 1495 02:20:05,840 --> 02:20:09,559 know went on for decades out of time, and they can't. They they 1496 02:20:09,719 --> 02:20:13,959 they come up with narratives now that fall apart, and what a matter of 1497 02:20:15,079 --> 02:20:18,319 months, Yeah, you know, you know you might have you might have 1498 02:20:18,799 --> 02:20:22,479 weeks weeks to months before it falls apart, you know, and you know, 1499 02:20:22,760 --> 02:20:26,479 and that's probably what's going to happen with the UH, with the whole 1500 02:20:26,799 --> 02:20:31,559 UH, with the whole UFO thing, is that you know, thet a 1501 02:20:31,639 --> 02:20:37,000 few months traction out of whatever false flag they have, they'll probably have like 1502 02:20:37,120 --> 02:20:41,440 some kind of cosmic gulf of tonk and thing where they'll have like drones attack 1503 02:20:41,559 --> 02:20:46,920 a attack an aircraft carrier out in the South China Sea or something like that 1504 02:20:46,079 --> 02:20:52,159 and say it was aliens and then and then you know, the Seymour Hirshes 1505 02:20:52,239 --> 02:20:56,440 of the world, and and the and the the Whitney Webs of the world. 1506 02:20:56,479 --> 02:21:16,959 The more inquisitive kind of investigative. Hello, Okay, are you guys 1507 02:21:16,000 --> 02:21:20,200 there? Yeah, yeah, sorry about that. Yeah, that I had 1508 02:21:20,280 --> 02:21:24,200 to I had to connect it to my iPhone as a hot spot. So 1509 02:21:24,959 --> 02:21:30,559 that's okay. Thankfully we didn't lose anything. It's still here. Okay, 1510 02:21:30,639 --> 02:21:33,600 cool, all right, So, um, yeah, you guys, we 1511 02:21:33,639 --> 02:21:35,520 want to go ahead and maybe we can go ahead and wind it up. 1512 02:21:35,520 --> 02:21:41,479 We're going for about a little almost almost two or maybe under. We're right 1513 02:21:41,520 --> 02:21:45,200 around two hours, I think, so sure. Um, if you guys 1514 02:21:45,280 --> 02:21:48,040 want to let everybody know, I'll have all the links to get invoking the 1515 02:21:48,120 --> 02:21:52,680 beyond. Thank you guys so much for coming back and giving us this refresher. 1516 02:21:52,280 --> 02:21:56,159 It's always it's like a course talking to you guys. You guys are 1517 02:21:56,200 --> 02:21:58,680 so well researched, and thank you so much for coming back. Um, 1518 02:22:00,040 --> 02:22:03,840 anything you want to leave us with in terms of what what do you what 1519 02:22:03,959 --> 02:22:07,120 do you want to tell us in terms of the like where they might take 1520 02:22:07,200 --> 02:22:15,920 this alien mythos next, I like the positive feedback or the positive projections there 1521 02:22:16,040 --> 02:22:18,879 that the narratives are going to fall apart quick. I like that. Well, 1522 02:22:18,959 --> 02:22:22,520 yeah, yeah, that's what that's where I would take that. That's 1523 02:22:22,559 --> 02:22:26,920 why predict project prediction. Yeah, the invocations of the beyond will begin to 1524 02:22:28,399 --> 02:22:37,280 uh exhibit certain unavoidable uh logical insolvencies and uh will begin to disintegrate upon closer 1525 02:22:37,319 --> 02:22:41,719 scrutiny. Um. And so you know, um, you know, with 1526 02:22:41,159 --> 02:22:46,719 previous invocations of the beyond, like the invocation of the super weapon, the 1527 02:22:46,799 --> 02:22:50,559 invocation of the super weapon for instance, that lasted decades as its evidence by 1528 02:22:50,600 --> 02:22:56,719 the Cold War, um and but you know it it it has, it 1529 02:22:56,159 --> 02:23:03,200 has diminished in uh cultural prominence, uh cultural and political prominence until recently with 1530 02:23:03,319 --> 02:23:09,280 the Ukraine campaign. Now again the specter of nuclear and annihilation is beginning to 1531 02:23:09,479 --> 02:23:15,319 loom. But even then, even then, with with their attempt to reanimate 1532 02:23:15,440 --> 02:23:20,120 the corpse of that particular UH beyond um um, it's it's beginning to fall 1533 02:23:20,159 --> 02:23:26,360 apart because they now the Western elites are seen well the Ukraine, the Ukrainians 1534 02:23:26,399 --> 02:23:31,399 are probably going to going to lose this war with Russia, and even some 1535 02:23:31,680 --> 02:23:39,200 neo cons the absolute you know, the absolutely nut job war mongers, even 1536 02:23:39,319 --> 02:23:43,280 some of them are beginning to uh accept the fact that they're going to probably 1537 02:23:43,319 --> 02:23:48,079 have to sue for peace. Um and so so uh, you know, 1538 02:23:48,360 --> 02:23:52,639 with with that particular invocation of the beyond as the super weapon, even then 1539 02:23:52,120 --> 02:23:58,559 it's beginning, it's beginning to disintegrate um um client the climate change, uh, 1540 02:23:58,799 --> 02:24:01,440 you know, the Beyond and invoked as the wrathful Earth goddess. People 1541 02:24:01,479 --> 02:24:07,799 are beginning to see um not just not just from the standpoint of of you 1542 02:24:07,879 --> 02:24:11,239 know, the differing views on climatology, because there are dissenting voices out there, 1543 02:24:11,280 --> 02:24:16,920 you just simply don't hear them very often. But but they're beginning to 1544 02:24:16,959 --> 02:24:22,639 see that by and large, these elites don't really believe what it is they're 1545 02:24:22,680 --> 02:24:26,319 telling them because they're flying private jets and what have you that leave larger carbon 1546 02:24:26,399 --> 02:24:31,639 footprints than any of our vehicles or any of our our gas stoves or what 1547 02:24:31,840 --> 02:24:37,879 have you. So that's beginning to disintegrate. And like Paul said, the 1548 02:24:37,360 --> 02:24:46,200 uh, the flimsiness of the beyond invoked as extraterrestrial gods that is becoming painfully 1549 02:24:46,280 --> 02:24:54,120 apparent by the unremarkable nature of the evidence that they're floating to the congressional panels. 1550 02:24:54,559 --> 02:24:58,440 You know, it's the same it's the same kind of eating right. 1551 02:24:58,559 --> 02:25:01,399 Yeah, it's the same kind kind of inconclusive kind of films that we've seen 1552 02:25:01,520 --> 02:25:07,440 thousands of times before, which tells you that they've they lacked the resilience to 1553 02:25:07,600 --> 02:25:11,120 come up with something a little bit more elaborate. Why do you think they 1554 02:25:11,200 --> 02:25:16,040 don't do, you know, high quality James Cameron produced. You know, 1555 02:25:18,040 --> 02:25:22,559 easy answer, They're stupid. They're just stupid, man. They they they 1556 02:25:22,719 --> 02:25:28,200 they're incompetent. They've never had they've lived in gated communities all of their lives. 1557 02:25:28,280 --> 02:25:31,319 Mommy and daddy did all the work for them. And now that mommy 1558 02:25:31,360 --> 02:25:35,159 and daddy have passed on, now there it's their turn to perform, and 1559 02:25:35,280 --> 02:25:39,200 they have they don't know how, and all because they've been pampered all of 1560 02:25:39,280 --> 02:25:43,479 their lives. Again, you know, I point towards the big name Brazazinski 1561 02:25:43,799 --> 02:25:46,520 and all. The guy was an a hole, he was a bastard and 1562 02:25:46,680 --> 02:25:50,520 all. He was evil and all, but he had a he had a 1563 02:25:50,639 --> 02:25:54,239 brilliance about He had an apt and offer machination. But then we're intrigues. 1564 02:25:54,360 --> 02:25:58,200 But then you look at his daughter, Mika, and she's saying the quiet 1565 02:25:58,399 --> 02:26:03,760 part out out all the time on TV. So it's obvious that daddy got 1566 02:26:03,840 --> 02:26:07,799 her wherever she had to go. And that's what I mean, like everybody's 1567 02:26:07,840 --> 02:26:11,479 making a big to do about all. Right now, Oh, George Soros 1568 02:26:11,680 --> 02:26:15,120 is passing the mantle to his son, so a lot and all this this, 1569 02:26:15,479 --> 02:26:20,479 you know, this dumb kid's not gonna doesn't have half what his fathers 1570 02:26:20,520 --> 02:26:24,200 had to do and all. And in an addition, you bring up the 1571 02:26:24,280 --> 02:26:28,600 possibility it goes back again to that brain drain that we had in twenty seventeen 1572 02:26:28,879 --> 02:26:35,440 where the two major the major intellectual toward the forces within the oligarchy died and 1573 02:26:35,600 --> 02:26:39,200 all David Rockefeller. It's a big day of residence. And you also, 1574 02:26:39,280 --> 02:26:43,760 you you know, you bring up a good, you know, a positive 1575 02:26:43,840 --> 02:26:48,639 possibility of involving Hollywood in it. You know, having James Cameron produced a 1576 02:26:48,840 --> 02:26:56,680 mass scale a mass scale uh deception um and apart from the fact that he 1577 02:26:56,799 --> 02:27:03,079 could probably do that on celluloid, but eventually eventually the uh, the the 1578 02:27:03,280 --> 02:27:09,280 public mind being the way that it is demands, demands, the actual, 1579 02:27:09,879 --> 02:27:13,399 the actual, you know, empirical evidence right in front of it of of 1580 02:27:13,559 --> 02:27:16,440 these of these threats, and and what happens when they have to have to 1581 02:27:16,639 --> 02:27:22,040 to produce that evidency? Avi Loewe, for instance, he's claiming to have, 1582 02:27:22,360 --> 02:27:26,840 you know, pieces of a of an alien uh vehicle that was salvaged 1583 02:27:26,879 --> 02:27:30,639 off the ocean floor from New Guinea. I believe it was, but but 1584 02:27:30,799 --> 02:27:35,840 nobody see which again, which again is recycled. Stephen Greer, Steve Stephen 1585 02:27:35,879 --> 02:27:39,799 Greer. Oh look at this little baby alien. Yeah, we're gonna a 1586 02:27:39,920 --> 02:27:43,559 topsy. This will show you when when it comes to producing the actual empirically 1587 02:27:43,760 --> 02:27:48,760 verifiable product, they're gonna have a terrible time doing that. And besides that, 1588 02:27:48,879 --> 02:27:52,360 this is this is this is this is Haraldo Rivera, Yeah, breaking 1589 02:27:52,440 --> 02:27:56,680 in, this is al Capone's vault. Wait until you see what we get 1590 02:27:56,719 --> 02:28:00,520 to this this that it's that track, it's that white trash. It's just 1591 02:28:00,799 --> 02:28:05,479 yeah and and and and um um could they could they employ Hollywood in a 1592 02:28:05,559 --> 02:28:11,760 mass scale deception? Sure? But right now Hollywood, I and I forget 1593 02:28:11,040 --> 02:28:16,079 which I forget some, I forget which actress said this and everything, but 1594 02:28:16,399 --> 02:28:24,399 um uh recently a big name actress uh said uh, and I quote, 1595 02:28:24,440 --> 02:28:28,879 Hollywood is an industry on its knees, and it is it's dying. It's 1596 02:28:28,920 --> 02:28:33,719 going great. Uh. They they're running out of money. Studios are probably 1597 02:28:33,799 --> 02:28:37,120 going to start collapsing, and they're probably you know, we've already seen the 1598 02:28:37,200 --> 02:28:41,280 merger of several studios in order to prevent the collapse and everything they're they're probably 1599 02:28:41,360 --> 02:28:46,000 going to I wouldn't be surprised, you know, I would be shocked if 1600 02:28:46,120 --> 02:28:50,399 Disney in its present form exists within the next ten years because no money, 1601 02:28:50,479 --> 02:28:54,360 nobody wants to watch their crap anymore. So, Um, their their ticket 1602 02:28:54,440 --> 02:29:00,559 revenues are down and everything, and and also they're the skill tints in their 1603 02:29:00,680 --> 02:29:05,520 closet or closets are beginning to emerge. Harvey Weinstein was just the tip of 1604 02:29:05,600 --> 02:29:09,040 the ice. PREGA. Yeah, Now every everybody's beginning to see, you 1605 02:29:09,120 --> 02:29:16,040 know, the pedophilia, the sexual degeneration. So there's a possibility there's a 1606 02:29:16,120 --> 02:29:22,040 possibility of the of the pedophilia, uh spilling out with this, with the 1607 02:29:22,159 --> 02:29:26,559 with the UFO revelations again. Compass Rose Legal Group is the one that represented 1608 02:29:26,680 --> 02:29:33,520 David Grush and if you look at Mark zaide Um from Compass Rose Legal Group. 1609 02:29:33,639 --> 02:29:37,760 What does he do. He gets on Twitter and brags that he's helped 1610 02:29:37,840 --> 02:29:46,680 guys with with child porn problems get security clearances. So you know, some 1611 02:29:46,840 --> 02:29:50,200 of that, some of that stuff might actually you know, uh start to 1612 02:29:50,280 --> 02:29:54,840 come to light, you know, as as a result of them putting these 1613 02:29:56,040 --> 02:30:01,159 uh, the so called whistleblowers out into you know, into the public arena. 1614 02:30:01,639 --> 02:30:05,479 And another thing that's probably going to happen, you know, uh, 1615 02:30:07,000 --> 02:30:11,719 is that the elite are going to probably go through another schism the way that 1616 02:30:11,799 --> 02:30:16,280 they went through a schism in nineteen sixty seven sixty eight when the when the 1617 02:30:16,479 --> 02:30:24,600 Sun Belt State ali arcs, the Southern RIM guys ended up signing with the 1618 02:30:24,680 --> 02:30:31,040 Military Assistance Um Command Vietnam their intelligence assessment regarding Vietnam, and the Eastern Liberal 1619 02:30:31,200 --> 02:30:39,120 establishment guys ended up siding with the CIA's intelligence estimates regarding Vietnam. And you 1620 02:30:39,239 --> 02:30:43,799 had the Southern Rim guys saying, we can win this thing, and the 1621 02:30:43,840 --> 02:30:48,360 Eastern liberalis establishment saying, no, we've melt this for all it's worth. 1622 02:30:48,440 --> 02:30:50,239 We got to get out the doves and the hawks. Yeah, And so 1623 02:30:50,440 --> 02:30:54,959 you're gonna you might see that kind of thing happening around around Ukraine where some 1624 02:30:56,079 --> 02:30:58,319 of them say we've got to go out, and then the others saying that 1625 02:30:58,479 --> 02:31:03,040 we have to. But long way around the barn. The the invocation of 1626 02:31:03,120 --> 02:31:09,879 the beyond, apart from the fact that the public public mind right now, 1627 02:31:11,000 --> 02:31:16,920 the overall collective public mind is fatigued because there's been far too many threatened narratives 1628 02:31:16,000 --> 02:31:24,600 foisted upon it and everything the beyond in whatever interation that it assumes it it 1629 02:31:24,719 --> 02:31:31,239 always it always begins to fall apart because the evidentiary basis upon which each beyond 1630 02:31:31,799 --> 02:31:35,719 is premised is flimsy. It's always flimsy at best, and it begins to 1631 02:31:37,559 --> 02:31:41,200 disintegrate upon closer scrutiny. Now, and that will be people that are collateralized 1632 02:31:41,319 --> 02:31:45,799 by this UFO one. I mean, what I anticipate is that will see 1633 02:31:46,040 --> 02:31:52,120 something like what what what happened to Paul Bennowitz's nervous exhaustion? You know, 1634 02:31:52,280 --> 02:31:56,799 from just all these crazy tales making them paranoid as hell? That might that 1635 02:31:56,000 --> 02:32:01,879 might happen on a national scale, just people we're just scared and you know, 1636 02:32:01,360 --> 02:32:05,399 and all, but but the traction, will you know, it'll wear 1637 02:32:05,479 --> 02:32:11,680 out you know, yeah, absolutely absolutely all right. I'll thank you guys 1638 02:32:11,719 --> 02:32:15,319 so much, great great interview. Everybody going to get invoking them beyond, 1639 02:32:16,200 --> 02:32:20,000 and I'll have the links to their social media as well or Twitter and so 1640 02:32:20,159 --> 02:32:24,159 forth. So thank you guys so much for coming back on great conversation. 1641 02:32:24,920 --> 02:32:26,280 Hey, thank thanks so much, Jake, thank you absolutely