That qualifies them to lead humanity towards its glorious transfiguration. But typically the beyond
assumes a form that spit of deific powers populating classical mythology. But but it
it it doesn't. It's derivative of those myths, but it is also a
distortion of those myths. Thanks to epistemological revolution and everything the world's terian cognita,
all those medical certainties have been banished, and as a result, the
new myths that we see populating uh modernity and well and post modernity now are
myths in the pejorative sense, not myths and myths and the transit or the
classical myths always uh elucidated truths beyond themselves, so they always uh touched upon
uh uh they always touched upon uh meaning and purpose that was shared among humanity,
and and always uh they always just elucidated a truth. Um. Not
so with modern myths. Uh. Modern myths um um follow hermoneutical tradition of
gnosticism because they invert the binary of good and evil. Uh. They reverse
the roles of God and Satan, angels and demons, heroes and villains except
petra. Modern myths basically hold all things and suspicion, especially the altar of
reality itself. And we see subversionist narrative tradition on display with the various invocations
of the beyond. The Beyond, as we covered it in our book,
is invoked as a wrathful Earth goddess in the which is a story of planets
and the relationship of the feminine to the divine um the uh aion technological similarity
which we see simplify the trans humanism m m mm hmmm. Uh. You
know, guys, it's reinterpreted as the mere convinced of bus a stupid weapon
and by Oppenheimer. But um, it's basically uh that that that invocation of
the uh I'm gonna trust is stopping my video power and agnostically reinterpreted. Yeah,
as I'm gonna try to stopping my video to see if it gets a
little as a little choppy, So go ahead, oh okay, But it's
uh, it's the prome the Prometheum flame that uh basically reinterpreted as an attainable
deific power and a gnostically reinterpreted messiah that will liberate man from corrupt materiality,
immobilized history in a state of utopian permanence. Uh. And then uh.
Lastly, and there is the last iteration of the Beyond that we cover in
the book. Perhaps the most fantastical is, of course the Beyond invoked as
extraterrestrial gods, which is a reinterpreted taxonomy of angels, demons, and other
heavenly beings, the most significant of which, of course being God. But
that that's from whence the Beyond arises is out of the Kantian riff and and
uh that is, that's the purpose that it serves is to be invoked so
as to provide a rationale for the introduction of deux ex machina, which invariably
is always a new world order and a new man. So it seems to
me that you know, some people might be hearing this, if they're new
to the channel or something. I guess that might think, well, you
know, why why would governments or power elite or social engineers, why would
they care about philosophy or worldviews. I mean, this seems like they're concerned
with power. They don't really care about people, you know, sitting around
speculating about metaphysics and the existence of other beings. And I would just remind
people that there are many examples of high level power elite or power lead adjacent
people. Take for example, Cass Sunstein, who was one of Obama's czars.
You know, Sunstein wrote a paper about conspiracy theories and what he called
cognitive infiltration. And in that paper, if you've read it, he goes
very deep into philosophy, believe it or not. He spends a lot of
time discussing the Enlightenment, discussing how people construct worldviews and narratives for their own
lives. And that's just one example amongst many. And so I would just
encourage people to begin it's it's present, it's present with the current Ufoe deception
and the current crop in the current crop of quote unquote whistleblowers. At the
very end of the article, Okay, David Grush is our is our latest
addition to this rogue gallery of fake whistleblowers. And David Grush at the very
and he was he was introduced to the public in a debrief article that was
written um Ralph Bloomenthal and Leslie Kane. Leslie Kane is another very important person
that plays a very important role in the Ufode deception. But anyways, you
reach the very end of that article. And what does he say at the
end, He says, my he says that what he hopes to induce is
quote unquote on ontological shock and ontological shock basically, ontological shock is the demolition
of worldviews. Also, UM, if you read UH, and I'm sure
you probably have Jay Christopher Simpson's UH seminar workover a Psychological warfare UM A Science
of Coercion, I believe it. So yeah, yeah. In the Science
of Coercion he UH talks about William Wild, Bill Donovan and UH the OSS
which was the precursor to the CIA. But what they did was they basically
cribbed liberally from the Nazis and their their psychological warfare. UH, their psychological
warfare strategies, and the Nazis referred to that as Vilton schaud creek, which
is basically German for worldview warfare, psychological psychological warfare. It is is mainly
about, it's mainly about reshaping, resculpting worldviews, resculpting the prism through which
the world has viewed. Resculping are are the hermnute according to which reality is
understood, so that it's so that we the world in a manner that is
more advantageous to the social engineers. Yeah, I've been I've been going back
through some of these older Tavistock type things. I just bought lipt Months,
Walter Littmonth's book Public Opinion from nineteen twenty. I haven't read it yet,
but I've read you know, Burnees and some of these other books on uh,
you know, psycho classics on psychological warfare like Paul Leinbarger, and you
know, a lot of times they'll talk about the fact that, you know,
a lot of what they're up to is actually tweaking, nudging, shifting.
It's not so much about um, you know, pure raw power.
It's about um gradually as you said, or or radically shifting people's entire perspectives.
And that's that's why that nineteen sixty eight or nine Brooking since the two
paper says that the release of the so called discovery of alien life would have
tremendous ramifications to basically destroy all Western biblical notions of history and man's meaning.
And so this is very important for shaping and giving people new world views.
And that's what I'm trying to convey to the audience. So let's let's rewind
ahead, Sure, no, no, go right ahead. Well, if
you had any other references, that sense of book is great and it made
me think of Tavistock and Lippmann and you know any other you know, HC.
Wells does this kind of stuff. So I know that when you get
into some of the some of the deep state actors that are more related with
UFO, with UFO deception, you find a greater appreciation of of of philosophy.
Not I mean they intend on exploiting the philosophies to nefarious ends, but
you have a greater appreciation. For instance, in our book, one of
the UFOH disinformation agents that we go into is my is Michael A. Kino.
And yeah, I quote extensively in that chapter from Kino's own documents over
Lesser Black Magic, and he just runs the gambit from Plato to Aristotle to
Hume. So you know these people are familiar. Well, you know a
certain cross section of that kind of uh covert political ecosystem. Uh, A
certain cross section of them are very much you know, in tune with philosophies
and very appreciative of the of the different philosophers and UH and basically exploit those
um in a very pragmatic way for those philosophers ideas and all. Yeah,
and let's not forget that some of these philosophers have actually been recruited into varying
degrees of intelligence uh work. We think of the French deconstructionists, for example,
who worked with the CIA during the Cold War. UM, there were
the Congress for Cultural Freedom, for example, recruited people like Bertrand Russell,
I think, if I recall quickly says that Isaiah Berlin was working on behalf
of the Anglo American establishment. So various philosophers themselves, have you been recruited
not necessarily for psyops work, but for the pushing of soft power establishment narrative.
So this is this needs to be understood in order to understand how it's
then possible that the so called alien story could be part of this overall deception.
So let me ask you this. Let's rewind a little bit, maybe
too, to the nineteen forties. Tell us about why you think this is
really starting to pop off in the forties with things like Projects Sign and these
weird early early phases, the Magic twelve and the the Roswell story, the
Georgia Damski. Why do you think in the forties and fifties, this really
begins to pop off. I think that what was happening was that the UH
was that the cult of the super weapon was being used to midwife UM,
the UH, the the whole UFO deception. By by the way, when
UH Paul and Volkes days, UH called of the super weapon that was coined
by H. Bruce Franklin and it's he uses it in a reference to this
fattish obsession with the super weapon. UH. The super weapon, of course,
UH, conceptually speaking, began off as something rather nebulous. It had
it had been appeared in several works of science fiction, UH, in particular
HG. Wells UH it's the most uh, the most readily available reference I
can think of, UH, and many other works of science fiction. It
it typically manifested itself into forms of poison gases UH, an unstoppable area armada
or UH you know, eventually orbitable being weapons and red crescendo with the Adam
bomb, which, by the way, the Manhattan Project UH, which gave
you know, which produced Adam Bomb. That will actually the system of compartmentalization,
how how that project was structured was actually directly influenced LEO Zillard to Hungarian
UH scientist UH who UH presided over that was actually influenced by H. G.
Wells work The World Set Free. As a matter of fact, that's
the the term Adam bomb first appearances in the world free. Um. But
um, it's the this UH, this fetish obsession with the super weapon in
UH multiple forms. But that segues UH into the UH into the alien deception.
And yeah, because what happened was that Project sign which you mentioned earlier
in nineteen forty nine Daylished report and which which went over the topic of UFOs
and UM. There was an appendix to that report and a letter that appeared
in that appendix by a doctor James E. Lipp And he was an aeronautical
engineer in a department head at the Rand Corporation. And what he suggested that
in that letter was that, you know, one possibility was that these aliens,
these other worldly creatures, had detected nuclear explosions here on Earth, and
that's what drew their attention to Earth, and that's why we were seeing the
visitation of these by these other worldly creatures. And now he ended up saying,
you know that the likelihood of that that hypo as being you know that
that that being being the answer was was very low. But what happened was
that was that covert political UM circles UH you know, centered around groups like
the Rand Corporation, which he was a part of, centered around the United
States Air Force, which had UH, which had started projects signed UH.
They laed onto that and they started to create this narrative UM. You know
that that that basically Earth was being visited by a variety of different extraterrestrials who
had somehow detected they had seen through very powerful telescopes or some other form of
detection, some other technology, and all that we had mastered nuclear power and
they were thus concerned learned about our mastery of of of of nuclear power and
this was causing the visitor and they weaved it into their overall deception. And
also I mean yeah, I mean that's that's how you know, the the
uh, the whole UH nuclear fetishist um ended up actually creating this UH,
this next UM invocation of the beyond UH you know, is um extraterrestrial gods
and if I if I may also add UM UH synchronizing with UH in particular
the UH, the great wave of UFO sightings that occurred in the summer and
fall of nineteen forty seven the latter half of the forties. Synchronizing with that
was the discovery of the non Kamadi uh codessease, which of course you know
are right lastic, right, And none other than Carl Hun played a major
role into popularization of the nonsta coodessees that's right. Yeah. As a matter
of fact, he says in his workover UFOs, he characterized the phenomena as
a quote unquote, and these are his words, living myth. So we
see the merchants of a new myth, them acting as a modern maker.
But he says in his work, let me see here, he says,
and I quote, uh yeah, there is an old saying that God is
a circle who center is everywhere and the circumference nowhere. God and his omniscience,
omnipotence and omnipresence is a totality symbol par excellence, something round, complete
and perfect. Epiphanies of this sort are in the tradition, often associated with
fire and light on the antique level. Therefore, the UFOs could easily be
conceived as God's unquote. So we see there now the invocation of the beyond
as extraterrestrial gods. These these things are not simply just offerably you know,
have you know world off world visitors. They are also the new gods.
They have they now have supplanted the charterished metaphysical certainty of God. But uh,
Carl Huan was also connected with intelligence circles and connected press. Yeah,
the deep state was the deep State was able to tap into his ideas because
he had a relationship with Alan Dallas. But I believe that Allan Dallas and
him, between the two of them, they shared a mistress in Mary Bancroft,
and I believe that he also acted as the therapist to to Clover Dallas
dollars, his wife. I would add too, on top of that,
um, even above the Dallas's, he was doing psychoanalysis for various members of
the Rockefeller family. Right. He was even telling them that they were reincarnated
the Pharonic Brides. Literally it's it's in the call your horror. Yeah.
But you notice that now with with uh several contact D alien contact d philosophies,
they proposed that God is God, you know, Uh, the God
of theology is by definition and extraterrestrial. But this proposition it's plagued by terminological
inexactitude because the term extraterrestrial it's derived from the Latin word extrus meaning outside and
too restless, meaning earth. Uh. And indeed God is outside of Earth
in his transcendence uh. But for the space religionist, that that mean being
situated outside Earth merely means inhabiting space. And by locating God exclusively in the
physical universe UFO religions elevates a man It's to the detriment of transcendence. So
the God of space religion it dwells the material cosmos, but never ontologically transcendent.
So God becomes this intramundane divinity. But this conception of God, this
and this overall hermanudic began with a Enlightenment theoretician and Enlightenment pamphleteer and printer by
the name of and you mentioned him earlier, Jacob Elivium. And he promulgated
this odd neognostic narrative between seventeen thirty and seventeen fifty, and that narrative can
be found in his work such as The Layman's Vindication of the Christian Religion,
The Oration at Joiners Hall, and in these works Illivi transposes the escaton of
Heaven and Hell into the vacuum, ce separating celestial bodies into space. The
expanse and Ellivi basically echoes the cosmo logical pessimism of his ancient gnostic antecedents by
claiming that Earth is a hell, that is to say, the place barrier
to Heaven. And he expresses this distinctly dis teleological contention that Earth is breath
of them, and he says that quote no, uh, no new order
of beings was created by It was created to people it. In other words,
Earth serves no purpose. It doesn't have a purpose, and we were
never meant to be here. And by the way, you see themes like
this, this is nothing new. You see themes like this conveyed. For
instance, in Christopher Nolan's film Interstellar, Michael Caine's character, to paraphrase him
loosely, basically tells Matthew McConaughey, um, well, maybe this was never
meant to be our home. Yeah right, yeah, yeah exactly. You
even see it and thinks like, um, well, the Witch Mountain series
from Disney, where these aliens are embodied as humans, right and just and
all of Earth becomes becomes this kind of this um, this strange land that
you know that that they can't navigate right, right, and or earth is
a place to um basically farm humans to the next stage of evolutionary process and
then it needs to be destroyed, right absolutely. Yeah, Well, and
that again is the intelligence connection called Arthur's large intelligence pedigree there. But you
know, as you know, Jay, that that that demonic portrayal of the
world. Okay, it's obviously derivative of ancient gnostic cosmology, uh, which
yeah, which Illivi was probably a very cognitive of most a great many of
the UH Enlightenment theoreticians were very conscious of gnostic teaching. Um but um.
Illivi upheld that do statistic appraisal of the world, and this cosmological pessimism logically
segued into an anthropological pessimism. Elivi basicly he divested man of his unique position
as Imago day or a divine image bearer of God for whom the earth was
created as a lovely cosmic bequest, and instead Elivi declared that man was an
apostate angel that was imprisoned within the corporeal prison of the physical body and in
order to escape that prison and transcend the penal colony of the world, man
had to undergo some vaguely defined earthbound test, and upon completion of this purgatorial
trial, man would spiritually ascend to other planets, which Elivi claimed to be
impyrene habitations. And in support of this claim, Eli cited the Book of
John chapter fourteen, verse two, wherein Jesus of course states in my father's
house or many mansions, Now those many mansions, for a levy uh that
comprised the Father's house were actually yeah alien world's offerald habitations. And this was
a contention. This was the same contention held by a by William Durham,
who was a member of the Royal Society, which arguably was a Masonic organization
in its inception um and also also very much so, very much so uh
UH integral in the promulgation of the gnostic myth of Darwinism um that the the
uh UH inhabiting the UH Royal Society, inhabiting the inner circle of the Royal
Society was a Masonic Darwinian lodge known as the X Club, which was responsible
for UH suppressing, suppressing all the unflattering UH news concerning Bothibius Haikali. How
Bothibius Haikuli was uh uh demonstrated to be uh not the intermediary phase between living
and non living matter as as they held, would have been an affirmation of
darwin news, but instead it turned out gypsum um and they uh there,
their their members made sure that I believe nine of their members I don't recall
how many were actually had held influence over the scientific press and made sure that
those revelations were suppressed so that only I think only two scientennial two pairs ras
for the scandal scandal. But this this allowed for the promulgation of Darwinism,
which we will see. Uh segues into directed the myth of directing m yeah,
directed dat dense formia. It made me think of something. There's a
there's a book. You guys are probably familiar with it. It's called Hegel,
and the Hermetic tradition are familiar with that book, yes, yeah,
yeah, Well there's a there's a great chapter at the very beginning where it
goes through some of the figures that precede Hegel. And I know Hegel doesn't
talk about aliens per se, but one reason this is relevant is that when
you were talking about the notion of imminentizing the divinity and making the divinity kind
of this pantheistic process phenomenon. Another thing that I remembered happened in the Late
Middle Ages was they began to posit new theories of space and time universe that
would precede both content Hegel and this is figures like Nicholas of Cusa and Jordano
Bruno, both of both of whom paus it an infinite universe. And one
of the things that usually comes up in the alien debate and discussion is this
argument that, well, if the universe is infinite, then it stands to
reason that other planets would have therefore evil all of these beings throughout billions of
AONs, who would have therefore been more advanced than we are. So I
kind of I feel like the imminentizing of the doctrine of of infinity, right,
God is infinite. We would say that the universe is finite because it's
created. It might be giant and huge, but it's still finite. But
if you have Nicholas Acusa j or Donald Bruno smushing of imminence of infinity into
the universe, now we get one of the planks that's used for this alien
philosophy, which then it is later tooled to this purpose, right right,
absolutely, Okay, Yeah, I just I just was as curious if you
thought that was a good argument about because because you have to have that or
you have to get rid of divine transcendence and make it all imminent and right
exactly are you know, basically versions of as you said, Dave use x
moshing a process philosophy, and the alien cults as well usually have some imminentized
astro theology too, right exactly exactly, And and and so you have the
elevation of the which the elevation of amanits to the detriment of transcendence, which
is a hallmark of neo gnosticism, um um. And that makes that makes
possible the rendering of the universe as a Casa si uh cosmos. It becomes
uh divine, and therefore all of all of the inhabitants thereof, which would
constitute biological appendages of it, become mine. And you see where you have
already the seeds for the belief that UH extraterrestrials would constitute UH de facto gods
yea um And again and and also you know the transposition of the escaton into
the amanit sphere. Um. You see that for instance, also with UH,
this this this tradition beginning with UH. I think with and I think
you've mentioned this before with origin it was original many world of view, right,
well, because the many worlds can easily be read as many planets many
and I mean right, an origin does kind of precede this stuff too,
You're absolutely right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Originism closely parallels modern nasstic
space operas. And these these parallels are especially evident in the theodical narrative that
arises out the originist conception of God, because if originism holds sway, then
God created out of felt need, not out of love, and creations ultimate
purpose would be to act as the medium for a massive silteriological project initiated by
what would amount to really a cosmic sylopssist. Uh. All of creations,
fallow minds, which are ontologically homogeneous with God, now UH, must be
subjected to a purgatorial trial, you know, so that they may be restored
to their original state. And in turn, this restoration will supposedly allow God
to restore his fractured plenitude and yeah, basically, basically, essentially it's neo
Platonism in terms of you know, hinosis, the idea that ultimate unity is
really the state from which all beings that fell into multiplicity are striving to return.
Right. Yeah, we can all see how this is very useful to
all forms of New Age philosophy or for a world religion, because, as
Huxley himself says, in the Prenous Philosophy, everything is striving to get back
into that pure unity, and that's what all the alien cults have as well.
Exactly. You can also see where it's a politically advantageous belief to promulgate
because okay, so so uh gnostic. You know, Gnostic steriology ostensibly,
ostensibly is a very individualistic there's rejection of the communal aspects of salvation that you
see, for instance, in Orthodox Christianity. It's an individual path. You
follow your path. However, however, Gnostic uh steriology collapses into a spiritual
form of collectivism once one arrives arrives at salvation at the play Roma, as
they say, because once once you've arrived, you know been uh you know,
once you've been uh reunified with the play roma. Uh, then individual
identity is no longer encapsulated within yeah, within the individual. And so what
is this on the political level? What what does this translate to when we
politicize such a belief system collectivism state exactly, exactly exactly, and it says
a little surprise, you know, Uh, you have with uh the uh
the promotion of say like the LGBTQ alphabet soup uh movement, you have the
uh promotion of an androgene uh humanity. Fact, even some of the people,
for example at Fordham are actually utilizing neoplatonic ideas that UH or that origin
held it for example, which is that primordial unity is higher than the fall
into biological diversity and distinction. So they'll actually say that the fall man's fall
in the garden was from a higher androgynous state into a like bifurcated male female
binary state. That's absolutely right, get back to evolve back to a non
binary state. I have absolutely right, absolutely right, because a hallmark of
of this this gnostic belief systic or system are gnostically derived belief system is a
contempt for the world of differentiated beings. Uh. Difference differences are actually you
know, actually are viewed as a symptom. They're symptomatic of the corruption of
materiality, and so that that's something that you know that they seek to transcend
and not surprisingly with you know, the et myth, with the the introduction
of these new alien gods. What is a feature of the of theirs.
Well, they're basically cosmic bafflements. They're they're androgene. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. Let's talk about one of these films that as a perfect illustration of
this, back from this nineteen for the exact year, late forties, early
fifty day, The Earth Said Still, which you guys note had to some
degree. If I'm going from a memory here, I think what you said
C. D. Jackson, who was famous for the Doctrinal Warfare program,
which was involved in co opting the Roman Calary Church in particular at that time
to be an appendage of the American deep state for soft power purposes, to
basically make the Roman Callagy Church try to turn it into an engine of Americanism.
If I recall, I think you guys said in the book that CD
Jackson was actually involved into some degree the production of Daily Earth Stood Still,
which is another worldview tinkering project where in the film told that the pseudo Christ
figure, this carpenter from space, comes to tell us to formal world,
a world socialist government based around so called science, because if we don't,
then the Kantian Rift, the unknown, the beyond, in the form of
Clottu will come and destroy us. This that act. Was CD Jackson involved
in this, I'm trying to recall and all. What I do know is
that CD Jackson was one of the individuals who actually viewed Patty and Barney Hill
Okay, excuse me, when their story when their story appeared in UM in
in UH Life magazine. So he was one of the ones that, yeah,
that actually got kicked off this this whole contact UH phenomenon. Well,
actually the contact phenomenon was actually kind of kicked off by a Doomsky, which
was a man was his whole tale was was manufactured by Alan Dallas. Alan
Dullas was tapping into yeah, he was tapping into hewe and UH psychology and
creating the narrative that surrounded UM, that surrounded uh A Damski And one of
the people that cowed onto it was a Cincinnati lawyer by the name of Thomas
Akof who said, hey, look, Domski is sending out these stories about
trips into in spaceships, you know, through the through the mail, through
the United States Postal Service. So he's so he's defrauding the government. And
uh, the lawyer legal counsel to the CIA said that he had grounds,
uh that that Ikoff had grounds for a lawsuit, and that prompted Dallus to
slapping an injunction on you know, and and any kind of lawsuit being brought
because he said, well, you know it that the UFO issue represents is
a maximum security and um, you know, a very sensitive subject. And
um. The real reason that he was probably trying to keep anybody from taking
Adomski to court was actually revealed by a physicist on the Manhattan Project, Leon
Davidson, who pointed out in an article that he did that from start to
finish, the whole uh contact in the in the desert with a Venusian but
that involved a Domski wash was actually uh concocted by Alan Duless and the CIA,
and this prompted the CIA to look at Leon Davis in a very poor
light. They they even suggested that he might be you know, an agent
and power. Whereas they looked at somebody like Donald Kehoe in a very positive
light, you know, the one of the founding members of Nightcap. And
uh yeah, they actually that when it came to Leon Davis, they actually
suggested that he should be surveiled and looked into and scrutinized for a possible connection
to some foreign power. So they were on the day, were on the
you know, okay, so on the right trail. So I got that
a little mixed up. So tell me what. Remind me what what you
guys's research uncovered in regard to day the artist. Still, because I know
you did cover that and you talked about that being a pretty seminal piece of
prop aganda. Can you refresh me on any of that? Yeah, sure,
Well the character the character of Carpenter. Of course, the name Carpenter
is a conspicuous allusion to Christ, who was you know, of course a
carpenter. And this this, this, uh, this, this character is
an exo theological Christ, who, like you said, has come to preach
a gospel, but it's a very different gospel. It's a gospel of of
world government. So again the homogenization of of people's which echoes the gnostic derision
for a world of differentiated beings. That's soteriology politicized. And interestingly enough,
Adam Weishaupt, who was, of course, you know, the founder of
the infamous Bavarian Illuminati, UH you know, which was of course an Enlightenment
era subversive organization. UM uh advanced a similar view of of Jesus. Jesus
came to bring about, uh really the destruction of national governments, of all
of these uh, all of these uh systems of union and systems that that
supposedly kept humanity divided. But um the day the Earth stood still basically basically
promotes that. And uh um you see with it also the uh you see
with it also the promulgation of nuclear anxiety, which uh was what the cult
of the super weapon thrived upon. Uh. Nuclear anxiety, of course,
you know, the fear of nuclear annihilation being a very compelling fear, a
very a very compelling incentive for uh, the instantiation of world government right now,
was there? Uh maybe I'm maybe I'm thinking of Daryl Zanac working with
the Office of War Intelligence. You're thinking about if you're thinking about the intelligence,
the intelligence single, right, Daryl sana that movie Mogul. He oversaw
that film that's one. Yeah, he was a CIA, he was a
CIA asset and all he was considered to be a quote unquote friend of the
US government that could be relied upon to insert ideas in his sections. Okay,
yeah, so I mean, um so to hold on to get to
be clear. So CD Jackson, the author of the CIA's doctional Warfare Program,
interviews Betty and Barney Hill and that is in Life magazine. And then
Darryl Zanach working with the Office of Wartime Intelligence and the CIA through twenty century
Fox is what overseeing day the ursus still is that right? Yeah, that
a good could trace that again yeah so so so yeah, Sanaxaniki is the
one who's responsible for for the CIA involvement and uh yeah, that's right,
that's right. And in the film in the film industry in particular, yeah
right, yeah, sorry, yeah yeah. And a lot of people don't
realize until you know, you guys had uh. I mean I knew that
there was I mean, the OSS was involved in Hollywood as well back in
that, but but the particularly these kinds of um, higher higher level people,
I think a lot of people don't know that. And I didn't know
that Santac had that had that role working with the OBI. But it doesn't
surprise me because you know, people like you can look at like Hitchcock was
working with British Ministry of Defense, um Ministry of Information to to film a
lot of propaganda films, So it's not surprising him. But I just think
a lot of people don't know this kind of history. They don't know this
angle. But you know, Hollywood and the studios, I mean, they
were they were churning out future narratives and doing world be warfare again a long
time ago, and they've been I think, I think, as you guys
highlight, they've been seating this alien narrative for a long time. And um,
I don't know that we talked about this one last time, but what
do you let me get you guys this take on the roswell thing, because
I know that's kind of a I mean when people when you say aliens and
all this non I think it's obviously ridiculous. It's like, you know,
the guy's holding up like tinfoil in saying that you know this is a crashed
alien craft. Um, is this like the first big scale push for the
I mean, I understand we could say a Damski and Betty and Barney Hill.
Perhaps it might even be earlier psyops for sure. But but what about
Roswell? I mean, is this like the first kind of like open let's
let's do a full on staged alien attack. I mean crash, That's what
That's what we believed that it was. Basically see um okay. One of
the major uh UFO disinformation agents was a man by the name of Philip Corso.
I believe that he was attached to the National Security Council, and he
came out with a book called The Day Before Roswell where he actually betrayed while
actually took place there in the book while trying to present it as extraterrestrial in
origin in that in that book. In that book he says, you know,
well, we knew that this was extraterrestrial and that was otherworldly, but
we had to bring in Uh. We had to bring in Um uh Erman
Obert and uh and Uh von bron Werner von Braun to analyze it because it
resembled a Nazi technology. Well, if it resembles a Nazi technology, then
it's not extraterrestrials in all likelihood Nazi and all in in its origin and um
if so um if you look into the back ground of Philip Corso. Philip
Corso was part of a group called the Shick Shinny Knights of Malta, which
was modeled off of the Order of Malta. The the the Athletic Order and
all the Shick Shinning Knights of Malta was headed up by Charles Willoughby. Charles
Willoughby was a part of of Douglas Macauthur, General Douglas Macauthur's um UH a
little intelligence couple, and Douglas Macauthur had himself talked to UH to UH cadets
UM. I believe, I believe that it was cadets graduating from West Point,
but they were they were graduating from a military academy, a very reputable
military academy. I believe it was West Point. We go into it into
the in the book and he said, you people, you you younger,
you're you're this younger generation of soldier is going to have to deal with a
class of civilization. But the civilization is going to be another worldly civilization.
And he also, you know, mentioned that his concern was that there would
be a competition between Earthend and some hostile force from space in a conversation that
he also had with a journalist, I believe at Achille Lauro and all it's
it's it's down, it's written down in our book, so um so uh
so here Carso was tied into this intelligence cabal, UH the centered around mcgauthur
that seems to have been intent on disseminating the idea of a hostile alien threat
narrative. And also, I mean, like that's what it seems to us
is that either either a either a genuine crash happened and they spend it that
way, or they or they could have just orchestrated the crash from start to
finish and and put it just to see how the narrative would fly. And
all that that seems to be where it starts, like you said with nineteen
in nineteen forty seven, you know, with with roswell Um, with UM
with the Murray Island incident, moving forward into with the contacts UH phenomena with
a Doomski and Betty and Barney Hill and UH the July nineteen fifty two UFO
flap over Washington, DC, which when we worked with UH, we when
we were still working with the syndicated radio talk show host Michael Corbin. Michael
Corpan had gotten to see many of many of Edward J. Pelt's papers,
uh that he had written over that UFO flap, and Uh, Edward J.
Repelt was with the Air Force and he was tasked with investigating at flap
and he had been told ahead of time by a scientist connected with the government
that that flap was going to happen. So we had there was this scientist
out there that had extreme fore knowledge all of these incidents works work together to
basically uh set off the whole UFO phenomenon, to they worked together to kind
of act as as its springboard and to basically catapulled it into the public eye.
And we can't forget he's the Hadley Cantrell research too about invaders from Mars
and the you know, Princeton research project with you know, all that information
going back to the Orson Wells product or project doing on the radio what I
think is probably some kind of saw op to test out the public's reaction to
that. I know, you guys know the old hat with all that,
But just just giving more examples of this because I know a lot of people
will be new to this material. So as we're moving up into the nineteen
fifties and sixty we begin to see us just an onslot of Hollywood movies,
NonStop alien stuff, right, I mean, it's just like UFOs Invaders.
This is also oftentimes tied, as you guys know too, cold War stuff,
as we get into the Cold War period where the outside threat is oftentimes
linked to the communist threat. The idea that the otherworldly invaders are going to
link us all into a high mind and we have to be individualist. For
example, Invaders or Invasion of the Body Snatchers is actually an anti communist story.
Many of these at this time period are especially shows the alien episodes that
come out on Twilight Zone, which had government consultation on it, by the
way. And then, ironically, as as you pointed out, as we
moved further up into more and more mainstream acceptance of the alien narrative, where
it's more and more an actual tool for moving us into collectivism. So what's
what's ironic is that when you get this fifties anti communist approach to the alien
narrative, but now it's gradually shifting more and more into the the globalist narrative,
the collectivist narrative. And is that do you think that's competing forces within
Hollywood? Or is that was that always just like where they were going to
take all of this stuff. It could be it could be a matter of
natural evolution, as they had to rearrange things to U to reflect the the
the changing UH political landscape. We wrote an article called Yugophos and the Ghost
of Paul nitzey UH and Paul Nitze was was the kind of the leading light
on what was called National Security UM UH national Security Council UH policies at least
sixty eight and all and UM. What Paul knitz what Paul Knitzy and his
UH and and other authors of that paper did was basically, UH produced this
this kind of UH, this picture of this portrait of the Union as being
completely bad was a complete it was complete manequean epistemology where they antagonists antagonistic binaries
UH that can never be reconciled. And following from that you have that,
you know, you have an ontology that follows from that that that's completely premised
upon the alleged equipotency of good and evil. Yeah, and the United states,
is that light is the great light on the hill is exactly and you
know he even speaks and rights in that he's probably getting that from Paul Knitzy
because he was Yeah, Brazinsky says, we're locked in a manichee in battle
and the product synthesis. Yeah, So I wouldn't doubt if Paul Knitzy was
the source of inspiration for Prazynski, like he said, But the whole reason
of setting up this binary with that paper was so that he could take the
whole concept of containment and radically militarize it and justify these huge defense expenditures and
and as long as he had Communism there to play off of, he could
justify uh, taking containment and and and putting it on this uh, this
trajectory of militarization. Well, what happens when the when the earthly communists go
away? Because he anticipated the solution of the Soviet republics at some point.
They knew it was going to they knew the Soviet Union was going to break
up at some point, and well, you know, you had to uh,
if the communists weren't here, they had to be out there, so
you know, and and so uh you know, a communist from space became
the way of of rationalizing, uh, rationalizing uh, this militarization and all
long after the Cold War had abated, and long after containment was was needed
and all. So that's probably why we were seeing you know, aliens being
uh presented as the as the communist in the fifties, the idea being that
at some point the Soviet Union would go away, but the communist threat would
still be there. It would just be coming from outside our atmosphere. But
you have this oscillations Reagan, right, Reagan at the UN could wards winding
down saying, oh if I always wonder if we had an outside alien threat,
if we could all come together. So so it's being retooled and repurposed
for a new phase of the globalist agenda, right exactly. And this that
wasn't the only time that you know that, uh, an alien threat narrative
was used to basically the you know, the extraterrestrial myth was used as a
poison pill to smuggle in, you know, these these ideas into the public
conscious where you know of of of this uh this um irreconcilable buyinary you know,
binary work. UM. It was also used during uh. Uh nine
to eleven. Um, I had an instructor when I was in college.
His name was Elliott Peter Gaines. And um he he and he was a
good friend of mine. He was more oriented, though towards the left.
Um. But he's still he wrote, he wrote, he wrote a really
good article. Uh semiotics. Yeah yeah, and and and I cite it
in my article the the semiotic Deception of the nine to eleven But uh he
shows where Ron and san Jon MSNBC during the nine to eleven attacks, the
attacks on the World Trades Center. Uh, he makes an intertextual reference to
none other than Independence Day. And of course Independence Day, you have again
a manique and binary of irredeemably corrupt evil aliens uh, assaulting the beligered homeworld
of pure virtuous humanity. And he makes that intertextual reference to Independence Day.
Uh. I forget exactly what his words were, but he said that the
whole scene of the collapsing of the towers reminded him of Independence Day. And
with that intertextual reference and and uh Elliott uh also says as much in his
article. Um he, you have the invocation of this Manichean binary, which
is supposed upon the Arab nations and the United States, and so the Arab
nations became the the the the invading Yeah then yeah, the invading aliens.
But you have this oscillation between those narrative paradigms, the narrative paradigm of alien
invaders and the uh narrative paradigm of uh the uh yeah, yeah, the
enlightened virtuous alien visitors. Um. However, a dialectical commonality between the two
is that is always uh the uh the necessity of the homogenization of humanity and
political unification. And because in either case you have a crisis arising, an
ontological crisis, a crisis of security, and crisis of diplomacy, right,
which can but in both of those crises can only be remedied with a unified
response on the part of the part of the world, either a unified unified
militaristics response in the case of invading aliens or in the case of uh uh
you know, just a benevolent aliens, a crisis of diplomacy. Uh.
You know, as as uh Stanton Friedman, the deceased Upologists put it,
who speaks for Earth Argentina, you know, we have to have this this
uh, we have to have a world authority now to speak on behalf of
the nations. Yeah, I mean this is this is a really common thread
through the alien mythos, which you mean going all the way back to the
War of the Worlds, which again you know by by Wells. The presupposition
is that if we don't all come together, um, it's gonna it will
destroy us. This this beyond this unknown, this this phenomena that can't be
known or named, and it can be retooled to whatever the deep state needs
it to be. And I think that's that's the key that you guys are
hitting on. And it can worph it can also morph into the Savior.
That's the crazy part is that the alien alsoph into the alien Salvation. Yeah,
exactly, the Messiah and the Menace are one and the same. And
which is which is I mean, which is bizarre. But nevertheless, you
see that transmogrification that the narratives undergo. That transmogrification in correspondence with shifting cultural
sensibilities, you know. So you know, during the eighties, of course
you had the Cold War, So what where were the cultural sensibilities inclined towards,
whether they were inclined towards more militaristic impulses. Now you see it shifting
again because because we we have the we have in uh, the UH postmodernity.
We have a world where there there is no there is no truth in
everything there and there is and this UH contempt again for a world of differentition
right dated beings. So there's this necessary for homogenization. So you have this,
this the space Brothers bringing the message of peace and unity. Let's talk
before we move to the to the present day, the last couple of years
of alien mania popping off directly from the deep state, directly from people from
naval intelligence whistleblowers, Fox News going crazy with this. Let's talk about some
of the other connections, of which is the Aviary. Tell us about the
CIA black ops that the Aviary was involved in. Okay, Yeah, The
Aviary was a group, supposedly a group of intelligence officials who wanted to get
the UFOC grit out to the public and um their name was. That name
was coined for them by the first author of of of a book of the
author of the very first book Deposit an Extraterrestrial Origin for roswell Um, the
researcher William Moore He wrote that book with Charles Berlitz, Charles Berlitz, who
also himself had an intelligence connection. But um um Moore gave the Aviary it's
name because all of these these intelligence assets were supposed it would would present themselves
under a code name of a bird like condor penguin. On and on it
goes. But the but the Aviary, through William Moore um basically polluted the
uf the UFO community with all of the familiar tropes, all the tropes that
we are familiar with today. The idea of a treaty of of the of
these aliens having a treaty with the with the governments of the Earth and having
some kind of exchange program, that they'll abduct so many people and give us
technology and return or do so many um so many cattle mutilations for their experiments
and in return we received so much technology. And um uh. The the
idea that that that all these bases underground were going were at war with aliens,
and that there were there were fights breaking out, that there were actual
military competitions breaking out out in places like Dulcie and the Arcolata, Arcoletta,
Mesa, and um these these were all uh disseminated by the Aviary through William
Moore. And one poor guy that it got to was uh was Paul Benowitz,
who was kind of an eccentric dude who um he was. He was
He was a radio technician and he was a UFO researcher and and you know,
he believed that he was coming across UFO transmissions coming from Kurtland Air Force
Base and whatnot. All likelihood it really was was you know, just transmissions
from some um, some advanced R and D projects that they were testing there.
But um, they they used William Moore and an AFOSSI officer who was
who was actually um either a liaison for the Aviary or a member of the
Aviary himself. So he was kind of like this he represented diffusion of the
public state and the deep state because he was a OSI, which is public
state, Aviary which is deep state. Yeah, this is and this comes
up if I recall, isn't more the first one they mentioned in um mirage
men that has chosen to be one of these sort of leak engines that where
they basically profile people who will believe that they're chosen to be in the special
role and they bring them in and they let the general talk to him and
they play him a VHS tape of a staged you know, ship taken off
of a air Force base, which actually created by some guy from the Star
Trek show. Right, um, if you're yeah, what they did with
More was really crafty because they gave him fake documents knowing that he would recognize
them as fake. And so he brings them back and says these are fake
and they're right. That's right. That was a test. Yeah, now
let us give you the real stuff at all. And they gave him the
real stuff all right because that because it was like, um, it was
just a psychological nitrous oxide for that for poor old Benwitz. Let me ask
you, guys, because I may have asked this last time, I don't
remember, But to me, it looks like Bob Lazar if it's the exact
same criteria as um More and um, who's the coast to coast woman that
that that's also let him on how it fits the exact same Uh. Now
she's mentioned in the documentary like More is, but I don't think the documentary
mentions Bob Lazar. But when I listened to Lazar on Rogan, it was
the exact same story. It's like, oh, well, they chose me
to be the special uh you know, representative to tell the world that we
have yeah kind of ads on it. Yeah, yeah, I think you're
right. I think you're right. Um. And he doesn't even question how
it is that he could go from being like, you know, just this
this uh special liaison for people wanting to get the truth out to being involved
in all this called duggery. I mean, well, many people don't realize
about more was that and we go into this in the book, is that
aside from voting out these wild stories, this all this crazy disinformation about area
fifty one. Uh more, In nineteen ninety, he pled guilty to a
felony charge of pandering in a district court and it was revealed that Lazarre had
had basically recruited this uh this locally known prostitute and encouraged her to uh to
basically um to you know, start start gathering customers and starts the same thing.
He had a whole he was running a prostitution ring. Yeah, That's
who I'm talking about. Yeah, Blazar, did I say more? I'm
sorry if I said okay, okay, I got you but in other words,
a compromised person. Yeah, yeah, so you know that prostitute.
Her name was Tony Bullock, and she received help from more in establishing her
business. He helped modernize the computers in her brothel. And the really shocking
thing about Lazar's pandering case was Lazar kept computer records of bullocks UH customers,
and the police investigation shown that he had videotaped customers and maintained records of the
license plate numbers and um and you know, um, this this woman that
he worked with, Tony Bullock, had she was she was hooked into Las
Vegas Metro Police, she was hooked into the FBI. Basically, he's Jeffrey
Alienstein. Yeah, exactly, exactly. So I mean, like all of
a sudden and looking at this guy, we've moved. It's all the way
away, far away from from UH anything having to do with UFOs, the
sexual the sexual entrapment and blackmail schemes that we would would that we would um
associate with people who were involved in in UH in UH covert politics, people
like Jeffrey Epstein, people like William William Hitchcock. Melon and the Melon family,
by the way, plays a huge role in the disclosure project right now,
this fake disclosure that we have, this fake disclosure trend as does um
right, Yeah, absolutely absolutely, But you know, all of a sudden,
he's become this cloak and dagger figure. And does he even realize that
that's what's happened to him and that he's being in that he's being used to.
Yeah, yeah, and in the in spy games of this sort,
you know, but yeah, I think I think you're right. He he
he seems to realize in summaries fects that he's manipulated, but in other respects
he's gullible and he believes a portion of what it is that he's actually putting
out. And also, yeah, he's a really nuanced, nuanced character.
Yeah, uh, Philip, did you want to say anything? I don't
want to cut you off. You had something to say? No, no,
no, that's that's quite that's quite a right. Uh. I also
you know, wanted to point out like uh. And this returns to a
theme that you know, we see recurring. Um. Another individual who was
responsible in the uh uh in the UH the I guess the subversion of the
mind of Benewitz was none other than Richard Doughty. And Richard Doughty had presented,
if I'm not mistaken to Leonard to Linda Moulton Howe documents where it whearing
it alleged that uh alien beans had created two thousand years ago uh A a
a humanoid being to who would come to earth and teach man, you know,
how to you know, UH spread this message of love and peace,
teach them how to you know, how to live together and everything, which
of course is a conspicuous solution to Jesus Christ, which again is this ongoing
recurring motif with the alien, with the alien deception, this motif of an
exo theological Christ, of a very different UH Christ, which of course is
again derivative of the Christ promulgated we see by revolutionaries and subversive sorts like like
Adam Weishaut and what have you. A very different Christ whose mission is mission
is salvation, but its salvation, UH salvation through homogenization of humanity. Yeah.
The only thing that the only thing that Richard Dodie ever said that was
true as far as I can ascertain, was when he told Linda Moulton how
that the the day the still was a was an intelligence project that was that
was the only time he ever told any truth that was the and he's back
at it again because John Stewart, the the uh libertarian um um politician from
Illinois who ran for office there um was was basically trying to um well he
was. He was looking into that. Do you recall the Area fifty one
alien interview from nineteen ninety seven. We talked, I talked, Yeah,
I did. I pulled it up on a live stream and was laughing about
it because vo and watch it. It's pretty funny. Now that's terrible.
Well yeah, but well, well John Stewart was looking into that. He
called Richard Doughty just recently, and Richard Doughty's now telling them that the whole
thing was real. So they're trying to gain attraction with that again. So
here Doughty's trying to get that one, you know, to gain something.
It's like Jimson Muppet level stuff. Right. Oh god, yeah, yeah,
yeah, Now I got a question on that on that topic. That's
interesting because yeah, they kind of run the same scripts. And I've never
asked you guys about this, but another person who might have fit this pattern.
Do you think that William Cooper when he had his alien phase that he
was given some of this disinfo and that they used him or what do you
think? Well, well, to his credit, and you know you read
Behold the Pale Horse, he says as much. He says, if he
makes allowances for the possibility that he was fed disinformation, even if if this
is all, if this is all uh, if this is all disinformation,
if this was all fed to me uh by you know, intelligence operatives,
then you have then you have now read exactly what it is they want you
to believe. So he remained. He remained relatively, at least around the
time of beholda Pale Horse, relatively ambivalent about about the possibility of the alien
narrative being true. I as as he went on though, as he you
know, before his death and everything, as he as he grew older,
he really came to doubt it. He actually believed and started to believe.
It was just one of those one of the things that played into his um
one of the things that played into his uh, his whole uth phone narrative
when he was a believer in that was that JFK had been shot by the
driver of the vehicle. And um, um, there there's this um there
was this uh UM investigative reporter. Her name was Sherry Seymour and she wrote
a book over Danny Casillaro's death. Danny Casillaro the investigator into UH into the
disappearance of Promise software into into the by the Justice Department of that of Promise
software from Insulaw and it. And when she was investigating that case, UM,
she spoke to one of Castolero's um UM sources. UH, this intelligence
guy, this guy involved in intelligence work by the name of Robert Booth Nichols,
and Robert Booth Nichols out of nowhere pulls out this tape and shows her
this tape that where it appears that the driver shoots Kennedy and all, so
you know, UM, so here these these uh, these disinformation agents surrounding
Promise Software are showing, are showing Sherry Sherry Seymour the exact same video that
that UM that William Cooper scene and Austin so so obviously you know UM that
video had been disseminated to people like William Cooper to muddy the waters around things
like the theft of Promise software, to muddy to muddy the waters there and
all with wild tales of of UM aliens and and UFOs and the like in
order to skirt the real issue that the UH that a portion of the government
had had stolen this UM, this software with a tremendous potential for surveillance and
all and another thing UM with UH because he believed UM. Cooper said at
one point that he believed that Kennedy had been killed because of what he knew
about the alien secret that all came from a man named E. Howard Hunt.
He had Hunt told, Yeah, E Howard Hunt told that to Douglas
Caddy. Douglas Caddy was for a brief time UM for UH for UM UM
the Watergate burglars, and M. E. Howard Hunt told him that Kennedy
was killed because he was going to share with the Soviets quote unquote the alien
presence, the truth about the alien the alien presence. And so you know,
so some of that disinformation that UM that had polluted Bill Cooper's mind had
come from E. Howard Hunt, who who incidentally connects with today's crop of
fake whistleblowers because E. Howard Hunt oversaw Brigade twenty five oh six, which
was the brigade that was supposed to be that was that was that carried out
it was this brigade of Cuban X House that carried out the unsuccessful Ada pigs.
And well, guess whose father, Guess whose father was a part of
that brigade twenty five oh six, and all Lewis Alexando. Luis Alesando is
actually Louis Losando the fourth. Louis Alexando the third. His father was part
of Brigade twenty five h six, which was overseen by E. Howard Hunt,
which suggests suggests that us that Louis Alesando and all his crazy stories about
a tip and uh and about these um these recoveries of this recovery of these
unearthly UAPs and whatnot are all Yeah, it's all part of a multi generational
deception plan. So yeah. So in other words, when we see a
big, big scale event that occurs, whether it's JFK or nine to eleven
or something else, these people um inject themselves, find people who are sort
of voices and feed them a bunch of the disinformation, usually to tie it
to the alien stuff. So it's in other words, we can see a
pattern of the alien gibberish being attached to actual events to muddy the waters.
Which itself calls into question the alien mythos and narrative as a whole, so
it's used as a kind of toxifying thing. Um also has a larger agenda
potentially with where they want to take us. And so let's move up to
another figure who I think is another type of Bob Blazar, another type of
William Moore, and that's Tom DeLong, who's chosen from this you know,
kind of pop punk band to be the twenty seventeen eighteen nineteen era diffuser of
of of well disinformation. I was gonna say information, but so he's Oh,
I met with generals and high ranking military and they told me that I'm
going to be the new chosen guy to leak this next face. So you'll
notice it comes as cycles, right. And now, now in the last
two years post Kouf, you know, we've got a new crop now that
people don't care what Tom DeLong says, so they can recycle these people.
And so let's get up into the new crop of these people, right and
Tom Tom Um Tom DeLong, he was connected to Lue Losando, to Christopher
Nell and Melon, to Jim Simi Vant to how pootof all of these individuals
have a have an intelligence uh an intelligence pedigree there and he never he never
wants questions whether or not they're using him right and to disseminate um disinformation and
and something about the DeLong saga and and well this this applies generally speaking,
it all seems to conform to the same modus operandi that we saw back with
the Holloman landing, where um, you know, Robert Emmeneger, who is
this movie producer, is wanting to come out with uphos Past, Present and
Future the doc I believe that was the name of the documentary. And he
promised, he's promised by these Air Force people that that they're going to give
him this revelatory material and actual filming of a landing at Holloman Air Force Base
and a meeting of these alien emissaries with with with human diplomats and all.
And you know, so he starts prepping the documentary and he and he begins
adding that into the script, and that script fine, and that script starts
to get distilled into a movie form with you know where they're where. They're
explaining in the audio that this historic event happened at Holloman Air Force Base and
He's like, Okay, now, where's the film. Where's the film?
Where's the film? And they never produced it, they never gave it.
And if you go and you watch that documentary, all they have now is
artist depictions. This is what it looked like from an artist standpoint. And
and that's exactly what happened with DeLong Is. DeLong Is promised a bunch of
stuff and he never He's never given it, and and um, and what
happens over time is that all of the major deceivers that were connected with him
start to go like this and disperse, and all lou Elisondo is no longer
with Two the Star's Academy, Christopher Mell no longer with Two the Stars Academy.
I don't believe that how Putov is necessarily associated with it in any meaningful
way anymore as well, And and DeLong Is just left looking like this,
uh this, you know, stoned burnt out rock rock artist. And in
the book I pointed out that he went I believe he went camping in and
around where area fifty one, and he had an experience out there in the
desert, and and um what what what? What we point out in the
book is that we believe that with that event, because he was out in
the desert, you know, in close proximity to Area fifty one, that
drew the attention of deep state actors to this man. And they said,
okay, now we could well let's let's let's glom onto him. Yet let's
use and exploit his um, his celebrity to our Indians and all. And
and that's exactly that's exactly what they did with with DeLong because you know,
you listen to the guy talk and he sounds like he's just he's either burnout
on too much pot or has add you know, too much Coco puffs and
all too much sugar, you know, um. And so it's obvious that
he's not of the intellectual prowess to where he could question anything that they told
him. He it was the perfect person to manipulate, yes, exactly now.
And so his like you said, that thing kind of fizz fizzled out
after, you know, promoting all this all this great disclosure stuff. But
disclosure hasn't gone away. In fact, in the last two years since we
did that interview, we've only seen the ramping up. First, we start
seeing I'm going roughly from memory here so Fox suddenly starts touting these blurry old
videos that everybody's seeing a million times of the so called unidentified craft that are
caught on right. And then we get oh, there's gonna be this disclosure.
Oh, the Pentagon's gonna disclose the information. And then we get to
calls for inquiry, congressional inquiry, all this stuff. Then we get more
a new crop of whistleblowers, supposedly now from the intelligence apparatus. Then we
get these ridiculous balloon stories where balloons are floating into our airspace and we don't
know what to do, and Biden is uh, you know, compromised by
the Chinese, so he's not shooting it down, and oh it might be
actually alien craft. And then and then they never recover it. Then yea,
they never recover recovery so that they can make it into the ultimate rorshack
int plot, so that they can project onto that whatever they want to be.
If they wanted to be Chinese, it'll be Chinese. Russian Rome,
it's a Russian June. If they wanted to be a Venusian of Venusian origin,
then so be it. Yeah, And if I might also point out
coinciding with that particular, that particular spate of sightings were the revelations made by
Seymour Hirsch concerning the nord Stream pipeline and who may have blown it up but
exactly, but people were paying more attention to the fire and the ferminent than
the fire in the sea, which was you know, was the nord Stream
pipeline at that point. Also, I forgot to mention, right before the
balloon story, we had NBC News for the first time that I'm aware of,
interviewing the guy's name escapes me. I sent you guys that clip and
I put it up on Twitter. But um, interviewing the guys saying,
oh, we're pretty sure now there is an alien mothership above earth. If
you remember that, I've never heard that I actually used. I mean,
mainstream news will talk about they love to talk about aliens. And then we
got not too long after that, the infamous Arizona eight foot tall alien story.
Did you guys see that one that went virus? Well that yeah,
in the backyard. They had it. They saw it in their backyard,
the giants in their backyard. Yeah yeah, yeah, and um, but
yeah, I mean all of this is to is to apply pressure, so
to speak for the inquiry, for the congressional inquiries, so that they can
start like really amping it up on a national level. Because what what fell
into that orbit? You know when when you're you're going over that too,
that two year span of time. What also fell into that orbit was what
last year twenty twenty two congressional hearings over UAPs. Yes, and and again
what did we see? Just like you said, inconclusive films that are blurry,
that are that the picture is grainylatory, They're not revelatory any sense.
And you got to laugh your your ass off because you got like Scott Bray,
who was the Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence, showing these films to them
and and and saying, okay, there was did you just see it?
It just flew by and and and the fun and the funny thing is is
is is that you know um uh, the recently censured um Adam shift Adam
Schiff is there and he's like uh, and he even says, quote unquote
what am I supposed to be seen? You'd think he see it with this
good eye? Yeah, what am I supposed to be seen? Please tell
me what I'm supposed And he has to see something The reason he had to
see something was because he is a major recipient of raytheon money and and these
defense contractors are really melking this for all its worth and because you know this
threat narrative, um, you know more of all the u you know defense
budget. Yeah, yeah, well I I got something to sell you that
I'll knock a UAP out of the sky and all. That's what they you
know. So so so Adam Schift, Adam Schiff is absolutely obligated to see
something there. So he's bagging bray, please show me something so I can
build this mobile into a mountain. And uh, but you see this with
all of them uh watern named Kirsten Jilabrian who has been working with Marco rub
and all, where did she get major donations from and all? It was
a big deal in the news years just a few years ago that she had
got it from her um from her in laws overseas, Sydney Jillibrand. Sydney
Jillibrand was at one time high up in BAE Systems and BAA Systems is a
major defense contractor. They were involved in the the um um El Yamama um
uh weapons deal with the with the Saudi Arabians with the Saudia elites years ago
that caused us stink and all. And so you know, she's supposed to
be seeing this, seeing you know, something there in these grainy pictures as
well. Well, she was not at the twenty twenty two, but she
um congressional hearing, but she's she you know, she's supposed to build these
these into some major threat narrative too, so that you know, these defense
contractors that her family is plugged in with can melt it all for for what
it's worth and all. But um, you know, but it just you
know, you you watched it, and you see Adam Shift, and you
see Carson, and you see these other members of that panel. They're just
begging for Bray to build it up into more than what it really is.
And and you know in one in one film like something shoots by like that
in Scott in just seconds and like Bray basically says, he says, he's
like that's all that's all we got, and and and then he says and
in and in many in many cases a lot less than that. Yeah,
So it's all unremarkable and everything. But these people feel it's incumbent upon them
to pardon the expression, to polish this turd this you know, this evidency
occurred, and and um and but but if that's all you have, or
even less and anything, then I don't see where it's difficult to make the
case for this a you know, a smoking gun for for the alien presence.
But nevertheless they have to Yeah, and Chiff, I might add is
also is also plugged into the alien deception in all in a in a unique
other way, This guy Davis David Grush, who is was with the National
Geospacial Agency and with the National Reconnaissance Office. Who Twitter a lot? Yeah?
Who who just who just you know put out these this latest crop of
leaks and all um. He's represented by the Compass Rose Legal Group. The
Compass Rose Legal Group was founded by Eric Bacaj, who was a CIA official
who left the CIA in twenty fourteen because of some internet scene fighting that he
was involved in there and he presented himself to the public as a as a
whistleblower. Well when when the twenty when the UH the first impeachment of Donald
Trump took place, which was around UH twenty twenty nineteen or somewhere in that
avenue seventeen when that took place them the whistle blow there Eric Cierrella and all
didn't go through his chain of command at CIA. He went directly to Adam
Shift's office where they probably coached him and filling out his whistleblower uh complaint and
all. And then after going to Adam Shift, he's he's recommended to go
to who Compass Rose Legal Group, the same group that represented David Grush and
all. And so so I mean like so, so you know there's this
this tie between between Adam Shift, Compass Rose Legal Group and and and uh
and David Brush there. So you know, um, well what sorry,
go ahead, okay, what one shift that seems to have happened between say,
what we would see in this alien sphere from the twenty tens to now
is that in the last two to three years, we've seen a lot of
these uh so called whistleblowers, so called intelligence people coming forward and with purportedly
more credibility. So in the twenty two thousands and the twenty tens, people
who would speak out on this were typically still kind of characterized as kouki.
They weren't really given um you know, Fox News airtime. Then we started
seeing a shift in the in twenty twenty, where no, now we're going
to start giving you know, people from the Navy, people from the Deep
State, major airtime to actually say this, and they're no longer presented ask
kind of outliers. The only I know I remember, do you guys remember
you'll know this. I can't remember this guy's name, but my first memory
of a recent government official coming out and saying that he does believe in aliens
in the government is not telling us the truth. I know. There have
been people like you know, who were obvious to like disinfo, people like
the general who has the old Google videos saying that there's underground bases and there's
clones and there's alien wars. I forget that guy's name, but there was
a Canadian you remember, the Canadian intelligence guy in the twenty tens who came
forward saying there's real hardcore evidence of aliens and the Canadian government is hiding it.
But he was still seeing I don't remember that guy's name, but he
was he was still seeing us kind of like a fringe kind of quack figure.
But no longer are these people the fringe quacks. These are like on
you know, again primetime news now mainstream normy news presented as authoritative officials.
And that's a major shift that I see. What do you think of that?
Yeah? I agree with that. I mean, like one thing that
they trotted out with people as Alsando and with with Grush is their credentials.
Yes and all David David Grush. They they they focus in on the fact
that he was with the National Reconnaissance Office and with the nationals Facial Agency,
and they really they really play that up. But then what you have to
do is is don't put the put the credentials to one side for a moment
and listen to the stories and then ask yourself, ask yourself, have you
not heard this before? Exactly right? I mean like when I heard so,
I sat there. First I read the degreef First, they do all
they can to differentiate themselves from the fringe, and than they bear at the
fringe, right, And uh So I sat there and I read the debrief
article, and then I read Schellenberg's article where he provided elaboration on his sub
stack and all about Rush and the allegations that he was bringing forward, none
of which he has firsthand experience of. By the way, It's all quote
unquote interviews that he did with intelligence officials. He hasn't he hasn't seen any
alien debris. He hasn't touched any alien debris. He has never seen an
alien and or or an alien craft. He's he's never seen anything like that.
And all you listen, you listen to the stories that he tells or
that his sources are telling, and then you go back. So I'm there
and I'm listening to this or and I'm reading this, and I'm like,
gee, Clifford Stone much guy, Um you know, uh, you know,
to Timothy Good much dude, and all it's all stuff that you could
get from a Timothy good book or a cliff or the Clifford or Clifford Stones
quote unquote testimony. It's all really really old tropes that have been present in
the youthful community going back. The only thing I would say that's different is
that these, um, these retrieval stories that he's telling now are are are
even more nonsensical than the old ones. One of his one of his sources,
um actually uh, you know, he was relating the story to Schallenberg
where he said, quote unquote, U there were cases where the craft landed
and the occupants left the craft unoccupied. Where the hell did they go?
Why the hell did they leave the ship in the first place? In people's
butts because oh yeah, okay, honey, I remember where we parked.
How the hell did they get did they get back to their home world?
You know, it's it's even more irrational and more contradictory than the old retrieval
stories. They just get out and they leave the ship. Have at it,
guys, And where did they go? And all? You know,
um, and this kind of contradictory and irrational behavior on the part of the
visitors. You know, Jacques Vallee in his more lucid rational moments back when
he actually wrote some stuff that was worth reading, you know, in his
book Messenger Messengers of Deception, he pointed out the fact that this, this
erratic and contradictory and irrational behavior on the parts of the visitors, um is
evidence that this is a terrestrial based phenomenon. Yea, And so you know,
so again, look, put put their pedigree to one side and all,
and just look at the stories. It's real old taps stuff. And
you know, who's the general that talked about the underground bases and the or
supposedly General or Commander X. Are you talking about Commander X. It's an
old Google video that everybody's circulated forever n ever, and then it went on
the YouTube and it's like this. He talks about the underground bases and there's
a war of the two different alien factions and there's their cloning people in the
underground basis. It's one of these classic, you know, kind of really
low low tier um alien gibberish. But Paul Hellier is the guy I was
trying to think of from twenty thirteen, the Canadian Ministry of Defense guy who
was saying, oh, you know, I'm a big whistleblower, you know,
aliens exist incident, who incidentally now actually admits that some of it is
earthly in origin. He actually admits that now, um um, yeah,
it's some of what you're talking about there. It sounds a lot like Commander
X. And nobody ever found out who Commander X was. Some people suggested
it that it was Jim Keith, and he was like, oh no,
not me. Standing in need of prayer, guys, I'm not. I'm
not you know, putting that weird stuff out and all, but like yeah,
I mean, like, um, uh, that Commander X stuff was
you know around back, and and it seems to be slowly being reintegrated a
lot of these ideas into the new into the new narrative that's being put out,
so eventually, so eventually I expect that we'll hear about you know,
battle at Dulcie again, you know, like you know, that's probably what
I'm thinking of the lay Hi files. That's probably yeah, yeah, yeah
and all. But yeah, you just you look at what they're putting out,
and it's all old hats stuff, you know. And one thing that
they're doing is is is like you said, they're ruling out the people's credentials,
but they're also they're also using, um using a certain uh um journalist
that can be that have that that have you know, some some credentials that
they can they can fall back on, and um and and and uh and
those those those um, those journalistic credentials actually lends some credence to the story
because in both the case of Lewis Alisando and the case of David Grush,
they have one thing in common. They got Leslie Kine breaking the story and
all and Leslie Kine in um in New Yorker magazine. She's presented in this
really modest light, in this really benign light. They say that she's this
quote unquote um stubborn but unassuming lady, and and you know, is a
self professed woman with a sensible demeanor and a nimble of curly graying hair and
just really pant point a pig, you know, basically present her as this
really rational, grounded journalist. But what most people don't know is that she
comes from this comes from one of America because her political dynasties. Her uncle
is Thomas King, who headed up the King nine to eleven commission. Yes,
and Thomas King. Thomas King later came forward. Thomas King later came
forward and said that the whole nine to eleven commission was on big farce and
all and and and so you know, you wonder if you know, if
she's following in her uncle's footsteps by you know, basically putting out this hive
for her, the false starts have had to do with pailings. For him,
it had to do with the all the same thing you're putting out,
you know, a false narrative that that you know, really skirts the really
so last question, yeah, go ahead, yeah, oh no, no,
no, go ahead, go ahead. Yeah. Last question would be,
um, do you do you think that other than the component of defense
funding and sort of doing a scam, do you think there's a reason why
they're rolling out these so called credential officials. Uh, they seem to have
a new one every year and really pushing this on the mainstream media. Um,
what what do you think is this? Is this for the long term
New age religion alien goal or is there a separate per I remember, by
the way, you remember too, I just remember this the uh Klaus Schwab's
World Economic Forum video from twenty sixteen, the one that they pulled down because
it had eight things to expect by the year twenty thirty. One of them
mentions alien life. So even Klaus and and Davos crew are in on this
scam because that that eight things to look for includes aliens, right, So
yeah, that's that's you know. Yeah, of course, the defense the
defense contractors want to line their pockets and the Pentagon wants to grow, and
it does seem to be working because they were only expecting for fiscal year twenty
twenty four and increase in spending of two percent, and now it's up to
like ten percent. That's what the that's what the government is now that their
own, their own reports are showing and and so how are you going to
justify that? Well, you got to have some some threatened narratives that rationalize
and eight percent leap in in above what expectations dictated and all. But there's
also social engineering of a religious nature text, because who is Lewis Alesando now
working with now that he's not with To the Stars Academy, he's working with
Ave Loweb Yeah, and a Loweb Okay. He's a theoretical physicist and he's
a founder of the Galileo Project for the Systematic Scientific Search for Evidence of Extraterrestrial
technological artifacts. Say that three times. Well, he's the one that was
on NBC. He was the one on NBC saying there's a mothership. Yeah,
that the mothership. He was the one who was pushing the mothership.
Nonsense. But um as as that rather verbose designation suggests. The Galileo projects
objective is ostensibly to find physical items related to alien technology, and according to
the Galileo Project website, the proposition animating this ambitious undertaking is that humans can
no longer ignore the possible existence of what he refers to as extraterrestrial technological civilizations
or etcs, and that science shouldn't disc outright potential extraterrestrial explanations simply because they're
burdened by cultural preference, cultural preferences, and social stigmas. And in order
to overcome those social stigmas and cultural preferences, uh, that haven burdened the
potential extraterrestrial explanations, The Galileo Project examines the UFO of phenomenon non using uh,
you know, the standard scientific method, you know, based on transparent
analysis of open scientific data. You know. So it's it's basically tantamount to
you know, a bunch of you know, a bunch of you know,
otherwise histrionic you know, ghost hunters going out. But oh look we have
we have you know, we have electronic digital voice recorders. We're collecting empirical
data. You know. It's it's the fetishization of the of the scientific method
to break and air of legitimacy to these things. But according to Loeb,
this approach differentiates the Galileo Project from the investigative efforts of the fringe. But
again, Loeb does what so many of the other whistleblower step Paul has mentioned
does he nevertheless parents the beliefs held by the fringe. Chief among those is
the alternate creatology dubbed directed spermium, which of course contends that terrestrial life was
deliberately seated by alien civilizations, and Loeb argues in support of this thesis in
two research papers, one of which was an opinion piece entitled Noah's Spaceship,
which basically examined the examined the proposition of off world migration by humanity in the
case of some apocalyptic event shades of Alternative three. There of the you know,
the the Alternative three documentary, which Pio documentary mocumentary exactly. But of
course, within the framework of this creatology, the creatology of pan Spermia directed
pan Spermia, again, aliens become de facto gods of a self sufficient,
a man order. And this, this intramundate divinity, it more closely resembles
the God of Nasticism than the God of Christianity, because, like the absolutely
transmundane Father of the Gnostics, alien deities never once sally themselves with the actual
act of creation. Instead, they decide to create new gods a new race
of gods from pre existing matter. They would never create matter itself, because
matter, of course is ontologically deficient, it's corrupt. And so this this
creatology, while it really raises more questions than it answers. Loa believes that
man's contact with this alleged ensemble raterrestrial divinities will result in the great synthesis of
science and religion. As a matter of fact, he writes, he says,
and I'll quoteum verbatim, how can we unite or how can we unify
religion and science by finding AI astronauts from a scientific civilization that is far more
advanced than we are. Galileo Project aims to search for extraterrestrial equipment or Earth.
The question remains, did God, in its religious or scientific interpretations,
create humans in the image and its image? Or did humans imagine the concept
of God in their mind? The Galileo Project can address the question. This
the qu scientific context of this question unquote. So that there you have there,
you have what the ultimate the ultimate thens thereof the promotion of a new
uh divinity. And interestingly enough, and this is where you see a man
with Lowe like loweb First of all, his exo theology is once again,
it's it's all derivative of Elivi's latter day interplanetarian gnosticism. But but you also
and by the way, Loweb, you know not not to go too far
field, but Loweb from I believe nineteen eighty three to nineteen eighty eight also
was UH was led one of the first projects to be promoted by none other
than the Strategic Defense Initiative SDI. So there you have him occupying the melia
of the cult of the super super Weapon, and he's in close. He's
in close. He's been close proximity to one possible member of the Aviary,
Edward Teller. Edward Teller UM. We know, we know that he got
UM Bob Lazzar his job at Age G and G, which got him out
to ask at all. But one a physicist that was a physicist associate of
Edward Teller, had told Greg Bishop that he believed that UM, that Edward
Teller was, UM was one of the Aviary because all these stories that UM
that John Lear, the CIA pilot was put Now he m this, this
physicist saw those stories of of like an alien human war taking place here on
Earth and UH and this this physicist said, yep, that sounds like something
that edwaruld say. And that's what what what he told. For those that
don't know, Edward Teller is not just connected to the Manhattan Project. He's
all so the father of atmospheric uh aerosol spraying and geoengineering. Right, that's
right. And he's also he's also associated with the milieu. It's it's diminished
in its UH influence here, you know, in recent years. But what
was known as Dominionism, which was a heretical strain of Christianity that basically promoted
the the held that the Perusia, the second Coming of Christ, would not
occur until UH Christians basically rose up and seized control of all the temporal machinations
of national governments and everything. But at any rate, um um, So
you have with Loweb, you have Loweb holds that that uh extraterrestrial civilized,
you know, highly advanced extraterrestrial civilizational uh technologically advanced civilizations and eventually come to
approximate God. That is even what he says it in his own words,
that they can but it's the closest approximation to God. And so you see
here where we have a new Heaven a new God um Um. But with
with uh this Man at Perusia that Loeb is tacitly promoting UH Man's role in
that is, in that Parisia is UH minimized considerably and in the upcoming UH.
In upcoming documentary entitled God Versus Aliens, Loeb basically predicts that extraterrestrials will
probably contact artificial intelligence before humans, and he basically says yeah. He says
that that, oh well, aliens will will likely will likely visit us using
AI systems, that our AI systems will have to interpret and vice versa because
for some reason they feel a kinship to them. And these notions of this
inexplicable kinship between aliens and AI, it's really nothing new, as it's evidence
by cultural artifacts like Star Trek, the motion picture which you know basically presented.
Yeah. Vitrescentient Mien was set by questions of meaning and purpose. The
only remedy for its existential crisis is the re establishment of contact between Viture and
its creator, and Vejure believes that its creator is being held captive by the
inhabitants of Earth, but the crew of the Enterprise eventually learns us that Vejure
is Voyager six, this twentieth century probe that was thought to be lost in
a black hole. And as it turns out, the probe was discovered by
this extraterrestrial race of living machines that adopts Feature and subsequently or well adopts Voyager
and subsequently updates it and releases it on its mission to return to its creator
and humanity. Is turns out being the creator of Viture, and at the
end, a member of the enterprise actually merges with Vjure, thereby birthing this
new disincarnate lifestuff life. Yeah. Actually, and now in you guys's book,
you did a great dissection, for example, of the really scott alien
universe and how there are all these homo erotic and sort of sex magic elements
and if you go back and I only know this because I recently watched Star
Trek the motion picture with Jamie and there's a lot of um, I would
say it verges on like Chrolean sex magic level stuff. What's actually missing on
the part of Vijure is the feminine element and the right has to merge with
the exactly yeah, Alia, the who is Vejure's probe? Yes, exactly.
Yeah, and and and so there you have with with with you,
with this this uh, you know, with with this this alien AI kinship
meme was released into the cultural ether for the consumption of minds uh, such
as low end you have the investment of faith and AI, which underscores one
of several intersections between the modern alien and transhumanism. And you know, as
as you know, transhumanism advocates the use of technic nanotechnology, biotechnology, cognitive
science, information technology, all to catapult humanity into this post human condition.
And once humanity has arrived at that condition, man will, in a Nietzschean
since, slay himself. He will cease to be man. He will become
a machine, immune to death and all the other weaknesses that once afflicted his
biology. So ultimately, transhumanism seeks to decommission uh nature, to seize the
reins of evolution and guide humanity, Uh, this elite class of post humans
beyond this ontologically deficient world towards a computational pleroma. Right now, whileisms relatively
new outlook, it's actually, of course, as you know, derivative of
an ancient heresy which we all know, uh is probably gnosticism because of in
particular because of its detestation of physical embodiment and it's do statistic cosmological uh attitude
UM. Not from ancient gnocissism, because transhumanists rejected the notion of the soul
then, which they supplant with an information pattern UM. And this this substitution
is inspired by computational functionalism, which was you know, has dominated to cognitive
sciences in recent years. UM. But computational functionalism basically analogizis the brain to
informational processing software. So all mental states, desires, pains, beliefs,
thoughts, all those are reduced to computational states in the brain. And this
analogy, like so many other analogies that theoreticians conjure up, is invoked as
an explanatory uddel to help make sense of an otherwise complex object of study.
And the important thing that for the audience to understand is explanatory models, such
as the one of computational functionalism, the analogization of the of the mind to
a computer. The thing to understand about these explanatory models is they're never really
fully descriptive or even entirely accurate, but they're at the end of the tame
frustrative analogy. They're all reduction. Yeah, it's something too, only one
type of thing, and that's our name. Exactly. The same people who
are um basically at the end of the day materialists and I think that matter
is quote dead matter, are also then telling us that there's going to be
some sort of evolution to a non material discarnate status or transcendent Yeah, exactly
exactly, and that that highlights a dialectical commonality between materialism and classical gnosticism.
While the materialists would the soul have unit a transcendent order, and you know,
the gnostic, on the other hand, uh, completely totally, you
know, uh, venerates a transmundane order and a transcendent order and detegrates the
physical body. Both both hold the common the dialectical commonality, the commonality of
disteleology. They hold that this is called a cosmic and ought not to be.
And that's why, for for the you know, ancient Gnostic, you
had to transcend the material world to reach the play roma. For for the
uh, for you know, the scientific materialists now, which is becoming increasingly
allergic to matter. Now you must transcend materiality into this informational you know,
computational reality. Um, and that's what transhumanists have done, is they've taken
the UH, the explanatory model of computational functionalism, and they've ontologized it.
They've ontologized illustrative analogy, analogies, helpful metaphors, and figures of speech,
thereby transforming them what was initially this socially constructive heuristic device into a full blown
ideology. Because we both know the computer is not truly analogous to the human
mind, let alone identical to it. But transhumanists act you do. And
this is what I find hysterically ironic. Transhumanists actually do what four Erbach accused
Christians of doing. Transhumanists actually assigned anthropomorphic qualities to computer functions that in reality
differ radically from human human thought. Just as for your Bach claimed that God
was the product of vicarious autotheism, that it's God is really nothing more than
the product of anthropomorphic projectionism. I can give you another example of this exact
same move that happened in logic, where I believe his name is Lewis,
but there's a guy who What happened was that people who were doing um thought
experiments in the domain of logic which discuss possible world's arguments, right, and
so possible world's arguments are there to illustrate logical possibilities and impossibilities. But the
business I think his name is lew Us, who then basically mapped that that
model of thought experiments into saying no, but possible worlds must then actually exist.
And so this is actually where we get multiverse. And so this is
where the new atheists can posit radically metaphysical narratives like this wild metaphysical stuff with
absolutely no physical imperial they'll talk about multiverse, but they're getting it from from
this, from this mapping of a thought experiment onto an actuality. Yeah,
they've taken a thought experience experiment and they've basically onto logized it. Basically they've
assigned a positive ontological ontological status that it does not possess. And since we
have the multiverse, which is really nothing more than just another iteration of the
world turtles, an endless column of turtle shelves extending downward, which you know,
as we know, it's an infinite regress of finite material cou that explanatory
power as that infinite uh multi versus another. It's another instantiation of um imminentizing
infinity, it's accepted, its correct. It's like, so Aristotle's notion of
God is as the first cause slash eternal actualizer. And if all, if
all potentialities in the One or in the monad, or in the first Cause
or in the God or whatever, if if there's if that being has any
potentiality, then it's argued, accord an Aristol that he must therefore undergo change
or is contingent. But one of the corollaries of saying that God is strictly
speaking pure actuality would mean that all potentialities must also come to be, so
they must also exist. So I'm not I don't believe that, but I'm
saying that. That's one reason for the essence energy distinction is that the modal
collapse argument of a problem would also you can go in different directions with modal
collapse. And one of the directions you can go in is that will all
potentialities, all of the for example, possible worlds that would be in the
divine mind. If God is pure actuality, then all the possible worlds must
come to be. And so if we remove, for example, divine free
will from God, one of the potential ways you can take that argument is
to say that, Okay, does God have knowledge of all the possible worlds?
Yes, because he's omniscient. Well, if he's omniscient and he knows
all possible worlds and his essence is synonymous with the divine ideas or the divine
mind, then everything that's in the divine mind must come to be. So
if God has knowledge of every possible created reality, that possible created reality is
as necessary as the divine essence and thus must come to be. And that
leads to the originist notion of immanationism. So all of the multiverse comes out
of the same originist position, right and and and now that that that originist
position, you have the apocalypse, apocalypse the size of history advanced by uh
Joachima Fjord. You have uh Jacop Boeim and and his his his model of
the uh, the uh uh the myth of self, of self debasement of
God. Forgot Boeim because he's in the He's mentioned in that Hegel and Uh.
I think he's mentioned in that in that first chapter two. Yes he
is and and and as a matter of fact, that's that's who else proceeds
from from Boeheim is is Hegel and then from hagel Mark, all of who
are advancing this Amanitist eschatology. And you see it now arriving at this grand
christndo Uh with the Amanitist escatology of the of the alien myth um Um,
which of course was inspired by Jacob Alevi and now advanced by men like Uh,
like Loeb, who believes that the Perusia, this new amanit Perusia,
will be precipitated by alien AI interfacing with our Ai. Humanity will So the
humanity requires a mediator, not through Christ, but through a cyber Christ,
Yes and everything, and the only way we will be translated into that play
roma is through AI. And so you see where now you have you have
the intersection between You have the intersection between Uh in Loeb, not only between
the beyond invoked as extraterrestrial gods and also the beyond invoked as the superweapon,
but the beyond invoked as AI and technological singularity. And therein is a great
rationale for the trans humanist future that that they are so desired to see.
We must we must now, Uh, we must now upload ourselves because we
have to join this cosmic community because AI is ahead, Go ahead. Jack
Atalis says in his book he actually calls it the gallum. He says that
he says that when the global brain is in place, and when when we're
all linked up to it, which he does link to ai UM. He
says, this is essentially the medieval UH myth of the gollum. And I
would I wouldn't be surprised if Loeb isn't also probably pulling from the same strands
I would. I would, I would be compelled to agree with you on
that. And I think Bell Shavast another another UH, another UH practitioner of
Kabbalah and everything, had likened computers to the gallum as well. Yeah,
absolutely, and anything. But you you see with that, you see the
intersection between all of these different iterations of the beyond and everything, but always
the same the same existential consequences thereof the homogenization of humanity, the UH,
the emergence of a new man and um, the UH, the instantiation of
a world order, of a technocratic world state. But at some point then
that means that they're going to have to fake sangularity, just like they're faking
things with aliens right now, they're going to have to have some kind of
event where they where they're able to claim, oh, this computer has reached
sentence sentience, which will never happen because computation. Consciousness does not arise from
computation. Computation arises from consciousness. Consciousness is the ontological foundation for computation.
How they're going to how they're going to convince everybody that you can put the
cart before the horse, like that is beyond me. So I mean,
like that false flag will probably be more retarded than the alien one. You
know, just trying to watch them, see how smart it is. See
it's smarter than me. It's trying to you know, get us to actually
go along with the idea that that this thing has somehow evolved itself a soul.
That's it somehow not just become smarter than us, but become a higher
life form, higher life exactly, and we need to listen to it.
It's superior because because it supposedly has quote higher intelligence. But um, I
mean that's that's assuming that computations equals intelligence exactly exactly. And it's already it's
already starting on a cultural level because Christopher Nolan, you know who of course
is releasing. Oppenheimer has already started speaking about the supposed dangers of AI and
anything maybe because he's AI will write a bread or script and he came.
But but it's all we already see. We already see the threat narrative there.
You know that now this this new iteration of the beyond, must be
brought into must be brought into the UH, into the the the UH under
the predictive control of a new of a class of socio political new MEDICOI people
laying claim to socio political noses. They have to mediate the beyondond And so
you know, a new class of experts to tell us right, absolutely yeah,
because nobody else can. We're not smart enough. We've got to have
this UH special ordained class that will um rein us in. And And one
thing that could happen too, that I think some people have posited as a
possibility is that the ability of spoofing and deep fakes and spoofing voices and all
this stuff that's this recently rolled out along with chat, GBT and all the
stuff, is the possibility of everything being called into question. And so now
authenticity could be um the new domain for a justification for oh, you want
to prove your you know, signing a paper over the internet. You want
to prove that this you and a video or a phone call or and so
now you've got to or you're you're on Sky. Now it has to be
private keys. We all need private keys on the Internet. So it could
be a new type of cyber nine to eleven event by which we can have
loss of freedoms is what I'm in potential actually, and actually i've I've already
seen it. Scatological scenarios like that being floated. Uh, we're looking at
a cyber apocalypse and the Internet will be lost for several months at a time
and anything, which I mean, you know, the worst I could see
a rising, such a such a a you know, set of circumstances like
that is what increased literacy. Maybe it increased the attention spans. Yeah yeah,
but they nature hikes and so yeah, but yeah, you're right,
Uh that that that would be probably the next threat narrative, the next rationale
for this elite class of new metapoy of of experts laying claim to socio political
nosis. Ads are using a you know, gonna have to have a new
layer of you know, controls or something. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm
so ringly confident in my belief that the these you know, these different false
flags that they have in in mind are just they're not going to they're not
going to get much traction out of them because they're just put together so so
poorly. I mean, like you can, I mean, like you just
you can see the problems and you know, whether it be like, um,
fake sentience in the computer or faked alien ovation. You know, um,
you can see just the holes in the narratives. You can run magnetic
trains through these holes, and so you know, they made a little bit
of mileage out of them. But eventually, like the reasonable skepticism starts to
to arise and starts to gradually pull the whole thing apart, kind of like
what happened with COVID, and so you know what, But so this whole
thing it's it's it's you know, it's being energized by what the social critic
James Howard Kunstler called the psychology of of previous investment and all, where you
know, the system of belief or the system of governance, the system of
control that these elites had is starting to is starting to uh, to deteriorate.
It's gradually starting, its starting to fall apart, and all but everything
they had, all their intellectual power, all their all their wealth, all
their intergocial and financial capital, everything, everything was invested in that. So
they have to keep it going. And that means and that even if that
means having Scott Bray stand up there in twenty twenty two before those people before
that congressional panel saying, oh you see that? Did you see that?
Just go by, and having Adam Schiff's say, could could you run that
back? Play that in slow mo? And I'll please repeat the tape.
You know they you know that they just they they they have so much invested
in it. Their whole being is invested in this thing to where now they
have to they have to they have to roll out even the worst, most
most just just unbelievable and sloppy, uh uh of false flags. And and
when you look at the UFO stuff, when you look at the UFO disinformation,
it's horribly sloppy. It's horribly sloppy even and it's no different with AI
and take technological singularity. Oh well, the computer, the computer beat our
best chess pitt layer. Well, the computer may have beat him, but
it beat him by replicating behavioral repertoires that it observed in advanced and that,
Yeah, I mean like they'll say things like, oh, my job is
going to go away. I'm going to be replaced by a robot. Well,
no, you're not, dummy, you're going to be replaced by the
dude depth programs the robot. You're not. You're not being replaced by a
robot. You're being replaced by a human programmer. And also you know it,
and it's all it does is it runs repertoires, It runs all the
possible pertours, and it notices patterns. But I mean even then, even
to call it intelligence artificial intelligence, it's really just a figure of speech.
It's not intelligence as we as the you know, the sort of intelligence that
we possess, right, and you know it's just running repertoires. That's not
intelligence. And life is not information, right, and all you are not
a bundle of information. You are that thing that uses the information, yeah,
that exploit that, that accumulates that information and exploits that information to whatever
ends. But you yourself are not that information. And all you're you're not
a webster's dictionary. You merely flip through one and use it and all.
That's analogy or way to explain the distinction between pure raw information and right selfhood
or the knower or the self right right exactly. I mean, just just
to assert that by virtue the fact that something has amassed a tremendous amount of
information, as is the case in Star Trek, you know, the motion
picture, or it's always almost the same from from film to film, the
film and Tornado with guy Net. These computers, oh, they amassed a
tremendous amount of information, and through the amassing of that information, they became
sitting, became conscious. Yeah, it became conscious. Well, why would
consciousness arise simply out of information? Okay, the information information is information arises
out of consciousness. But again, these elites are going to have to convince
us, or try to convince us that somehow they got the cart to go
before the horse, They somehow got this non secretary, they somehow got conscious
to rise out of computation, and they're going to do a horrible job at
it and everything, because uh, and if you look in twenty seventeen,
we we we look at twenty seventeen as the year of the great brain drain
for the oligarchical class. What happened in twenty seventeen, two people died.
David Rockefeller is the big name of Preszinski. They died within months of one
another. Those were after Kissinger, Those were the last two great minds of
the oligarchical class and all and after that, all you got is these johnny
come lately pampered you know, uh, pampered up and coming members of the
oligarchical class that that have never had to perform, never had to produce results
and all, I mean, you can see it with Mika Presents. God,
she's a freaking Mika Presents doesn't have even a fraction of her father's intellect.
Yea, and she she, I mean like she says the quiet part
out loud every given day that she's on MSNBC. I mean, so so
now, I mean, is the only one you got left is Kissinger.
That's the only one. I'll give you so how much longer until he ages
out? And all? So now you have, you know, a less
competent intellectual generation. Yeah, a less competent generation of the oligarchical class that
has to roll out this UFO threat narrative and has to roll out the AI
narrative and all, and and quite frankly, they don't know how to do
it. They can't. They're not going to pull it off in any real
convincing way. Lack the finesse, they lack the subtlety. Yeah, yeah,
I mean they'll do a lot of damage along the way, No,
no doubt, there'll be a lot of poor people out there collateralized and all.
But they're going to be unsuccessful in all of this, uh and all
of this stuff. So so well, you guys, you guys are so
basically, when the boom, the boomer oligarchy dies off, what we have
left, then it'll be the gen x oligarchy taking over. And um,
you're suggesting that there's an even greater gap of the brain drain between boomer oligarchs
and UH and gen x oligarch taking over. Builderberger meetings are going to start
to look like the breakfast Club, Right, that's a good analogy. They
just I mean like going back, you know, going back again to to
just look at the you know, this recent whistleblower David Grush and all,
and they and again they roll out the credentials, but again you look at
the stories and you're like, well, gee, I heard Clifford Stone saying
this crap years ago at at Steven Greers Closure, uh and all his you
know, and I read that sounds just like what Timothy Good said in his
book Above Top Secret, you know, which came out forever and forever in
a day ago. And all this is unoriginal, stale bread. With the
with the the old oligarchical class, you had a set of errant but nevertheless,
at least ostensibly profound aphorisms, you know, like uh, John Rockefeller
that the combined is here, the individualism is gone forever, you know,
um are Zabignia Presazynskia. We'll we'll see the emergence of a tech neutronic era.
Now, those aphorisms are like can be reduced to something more along the
lines like oh my gosh, like and I mean, that's that's, that's
that's essentially, that's essentially it like like oh my gosh, you're you're gonna
own nothing and you're gonna be happy and and and and those that older,
all of our class, God, they were good at contingency plans. And
I mean, for instance, if you look at the j of k assassination.
You could see where two narratives were planned out, that there was this
lone gunman narrative, and you saw that they anticipated the gunman narrative to slowly
be picked apart over time. So, so, well, how do we
keep from there being a disclosure of what really happened? Well we got this
second narrative setting in the way saying okay, yeah, he wasn't an alone
nut, but he was an agent of a foreign power and all those.
Yeah. So you know, so you have this, this, this,
these two different firewalls, you know that around around what really happened, around
the truth that allows you to bide some time. They don't know how to
come up with contingency plans like that anymomore. And you know they just I
mean, like the COVID proved it. You know, you looked at the
whole COVID psig up and it's like, don't wear a mask, wear a
mask, to wear two masks while you're at it, And and they're never
they're never going back and exten to contradictions. So people what they eventually see
the contradictions and say, you know what, I'll take my chances. And
they don't go out without a mask at all. And it eventually it really
that one fell apart. I mean like it felt forever, It felt forever,
like forever in a day. But really when you look at it was
really only two years that they really got out of that well will compared to
like the JFK assassination plot, where they've gotten like sixty some years and all
the principle, all the principal characters are now long dead as a result,
you know, they the older, the older all guards were able to to
come out with with far, far sided, long reaching plans that actually we
know went on for decades out of time, and they can't. They they
they come up with narratives now that fall apart, and what a matter of
months, Yeah, you know, you know you might have you might have
weeks weeks to months before it falls apart, you know, and you know,
and that's probably what's going to happen with the UH, with the whole
UH, with the whole UFO thing, is that you know, thet a
few months traction out of whatever false flag they have, they'll probably have like
some kind of cosmic gulf of tonk and thing where they'll have like drones attack
a attack an aircraft carrier out in the South China Sea or something like that
and say it was aliens and then and then you know, the Seymour Hirshes
of the world, and and the and the the Whitney Webs of the world.
The more inquisitive kind of investigative. Hello, Okay, are you guys
there? Yeah, yeah, sorry about that. Yeah, that I had
to I had to connect it to my iPhone as a hot spot. So
that's okay. Thankfully we didn't lose anything. It's still here. Okay,
cool, all right, So, um, yeah, you guys, we
want to go ahead and maybe we can go ahead and wind it up.
We're going for about a little almost almost two or maybe under. We're right
around two hours, I think, so sure. Um, if you guys
want to let everybody know, I'll have all the links to get invoking the
beyond. Thank you guys so much for coming back and giving us this refresher.
It's always it's like a course talking to you guys. You guys are
so well researched, and thank you so much for coming back. Um,
anything you want to leave us with in terms of what what do you what
do you want to tell us in terms of the like where they might take
this alien mythos next, I like the positive feedback or the positive projections there
that the narratives are going to fall apart quick. I like that. Well,
yeah, yeah, that's what that's where I would take that. That's
why predict project prediction. Yeah, the invocations of the beyond will begin to
uh exhibit certain unavoidable uh logical insolvencies and uh will begin to disintegrate upon closer
scrutiny. Um. And so you know, um, you know, with
previous invocations of the beyond, like the invocation of the super weapon, the
invocation of the super weapon for instance, that lasted decades as its evidence by
the Cold War, um and but you know it it it has, it
has diminished in uh cultural prominence, uh cultural and political prominence until recently with
the Ukraine campaign. Now again the specter of nuclear and annihilation is beginning to
loom. But even then, even then, with with their attempt to reanimate
the corpse of that particular UH beyond um um, it's it's beginning to fall
apart because they now the Western elites are seen well the Ukraine, the Ukrainians
are probably going to going to lose this war with Russia, and even some
neo cons the absolute you know, the absolutely nut job war mongers, even
some of them are beginning to uh accept the fact that they're going to probably
have to sue for peace. Um and so so uh, you know,
with with that particular invocation of the beyond as the super weapon, even then
it's beginning, it's beginning to disintegrate um um client the climate change, uh,
you know, the Beyond and invoked as the wrathful Earth goddess. People
are beginning to see um not just not just from the standpoint of of you
know, the differing views on climatology, because there are dissenting voices out there,
you just simply don't hear them very often. But but they're beginning to
see that by and large, these elites don't really believe what it is they're
telling them because they're flying private jets and what have you that leave larger carbon
footprints than any of our vehicles or any of our our gas stoves or what
have you. So that's beginning to disintegrate. And like Paul said, the
uh, the flimsiness of the beyond invoked as extraterrestrial gods that is becoming painfully
apparent by the unremarkable nature of the evidence that they're floating to the congressional panels.
You know, it's the same it's the same kind of eating right.
Yeah, it's the same kind kind of inconclusive kind of films that we've seen
thousands of times before, which tells you that they've they lacked the resilience to
come up with something a little bit more elaborate. Why do you think they
don't do, you know, high quality James Cameron produced. You know,
easy answer, They're stupid. They're just stupid, man. They they they
they're incompetent. They've never had they've lived in gated communities all of their lives.
Mommy and daddy did all the work for them. And now that mommy
and daddy have passed on, now there it's their turn to perform, and
they have they don't know how, and all because they've been pampered all of
their lives. Again, you know, I point towards the big name Brazazinski
and all. The guy was an a hole, he was a bastard and
all. He was evil and all, but he had a he had a
brilliance about He had an apt and offer machination. But then we're intrigues.
But then you look at his daughter, Mika, and she's saying the quiet
part out out all the time on TV. So it's obvious that daddy got
her wherever she had to go. And that's what I mean, like everybody's
making a big to do about all. Right now, Oh, George Soros
is passing the mantle to his son, so a lot and all this this,
you know, this dumb kid's not gonna doesn't have half what his fathers
had to do and all. And in an addition, you bring up the
possibility it goes back again to that brain drain that we had in twenty seventeen
where the two major the major intellectual toward the forces within the oligarchy died and
all David Rockefeller. It's a big day of residence. And you also,
you you know, you bring up a good, you know, a positive
possibility of involving Hollywood in it. You know, having James Cameron produced a
mass scale a mass scale uh deception um and apart from the fact that he
could probably do that on celluloid, but eventually eventually the uh, the the
public mind being the way that it is demands, demands, the actual,
the actual, you know, empirical evidence right in front of it of of
these of these threats, and and what happens when they have to have to
to produce that evidency? Avi Loewe, for instance, he's claiming to have,
you know, pieces of a of an alien uh vehicle that was salvaged
off the ocean floor from New Guinea. I believe it was, but but
nobody see which again, which again is recycled. Stephen Greer, Steve Stephen
Greer. Oh look at this little baby alien. Yeah, we're gonna a
topsy. This will show you when when it comes to producing the actual empirically
verifiable product, they're gonna have a terrible time doing that. And besides that,
this is this is this is this is Haraldo Rivera, Yeah, breaking
in, this is al Capone's vault. Wait until you see what we get
to this this that it's that track, it's that white trash. It's just
yeah and and and and um um could they could they employ Hollywood in a
mass scale deception? Sure? But right now Hollywood, I and I forget
which I forget some, I forget which actress said this and everything, but
um uh recently a big name actress uh said uh, and I quote,
Hollywood is an industry on its knees, and it is it's dying. It's
going great. Uh. They they're running out of money. Studios are probably
going to start collapsing, and they're probably you know, we've already seen the
merger of several studios in order to prevent the collapse and everything they're they're probably
going to I wouldn't be surprised, you know, I would be shocked if
Disney in its present form exists within the next ten years because no money,
nobody wants to watch their crap anymore. So, Um, their their ticket
revenues are down and everything, and and also they're the skill tints in their
closet or closets are beginning to emerge. Harvey Weinstein was just the tip of
the ice. PREGA. Yeah, Now every everybody's beginning to see, you
know, the pedophilia, the sexual degeneration. So there's a possibility there's a
possibility of the of the pedophilia, uh spilling out with this, with the
with the UFO revelations again. Compass Rose Legal Group is the one that represented
David Grush and if you look at Mark zaide Um from Compass Rose Legal Group.
What does he do. He gets on Twitter and brags that he's helped
guys with with child porn problems get security clearances. So you know, some
of that, some of that stuff might actually you know, uh start to
come to light, you know, as as a result of them putting these
uh, the so called whistleblowers out into you know, into the public arena.
And another thing that's probably going to happen, you know, uh,
is that the elite are going to probably go through another schism the way that
they went through a schism in nineteen sixty seven sixty eight when the when the
Sun Belt State ali arcs, the Southern RIM guys ended up signing with the
Military Assistance Um Command Vietnam their intelligence assessment regarding Vietnam, and the Eastern Liberal
establishment guys ended up siding with the CIA's intelligence estimates regarding Vietnam. And you
had the Southern Rim guys saying, we can win this thing, and the
Eastern liberalis establishment saying, no, we've melt this for all it's worth.
We got to get out the doves and the hawks. Yeah, And so
you're gonna you might see that kind of thing happening around around Ukraine where some
of them say we've got to go out, and then the others saying that
we have to. But long way around the barn. The the invocation of
the beyond, apart from the fact that the public public mind right now,
the overall collective public mind is fatigued because there's been far too many threatened narratives
foisted upon it and everything the beyond in whatever interation that it assumes it it
always it always begins to fall apart because the evidentiary basis upon which each beyond
is premised is flimsy. It's always flimsy at best, and it begins to
disintegrate upon closer scrutiny. Now, and that will be people that are collateralized
by this UFO one. I mean, what I anticipate is that will see
something like what what what happened to Paul Bennowitz's nervous exhaustion? You know,
from just all these crazy tales making them paranoid as hell? That might that
might happen on a national scale, just people we're just scared and you know,
and all, but but the traction, will you know, it'll wear
out you know, yeah, absolutely absolutely all right. I'll thank you guys
so much, great great interview. Everybody going to get invoking them beyond,
and I'll have the links to their social media as well or Twitter and so
forth. So thank you guys so much for coming back on great conversation.
Hey, thank thanks so much, Jake, thank you absolutely