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Hey, how are you. This
is Cliff Dunning, the host of Earth

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Ancients, startling new discoveries from our
planet's distant past. This week we are

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covering mythology and we have a new
author who I have heard about. He

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hails from Sydney, Australia, and
I think i've just we've just missed each

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other. His name is David Mathieson
and he is a research investigator who has

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written a number of books on worldwide
mythologies and how if you look at a

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certain time period Romans, Greeks,
Romans, Egyptians, Maya, Chinese,

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they all fall together when it comes
to traditional myths, flood myths, catastrophic

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events, even some of them are
linked to specifics on asteroids. And we've

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talked a little bit about this with
our different guests, but today it's interesting

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to note that Dave has spent three
decades thirty years studying the various traditions and

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why they are important. Now one
of the features of this program is an

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artifact I have not heard of until
now, called the philos agt, and

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it's a carving, and very intricate
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of stone, hence the name agate
and the relief sculpture. The relief carving

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is so minute and so gorgeous that
there is a huge questions about how it

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was done. And we're gonna talk
about this agate today and the possibilities of

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it being machine because when you see
it, and by the way, I'm

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putting up an article on this stone
carving philos carving filos Agate on the Facebook

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page. You can see it on
the video page on YouTube. But if

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you go immediately to the Facebook page
and see this amazing carving, there's also

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an article that breaks down what the
scientists use to detect what they believe was

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how it was carved. They still
don't know how it was carved. Is

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the most elegant piece of sculpture from
prehistory, because there's nothing like it in

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the Greek world. There's nothing like
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it in the Egyptian world. And
it stated to fifteen hundred BC, well

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before the various Caesars, well before
and Alexander the Great. But when we

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look at it and you see the
details, you'll know what I'm talking about.

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It is amazing. It's a war
scene of soldiers in battle, but

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the musculature, the shadowing that is
seen and cut into this stone is unheard

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of. You don't know how the
hell they did it, and it's we

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talk about this today in our interview. It is definitely one of those out

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of place artifacts that we talked about
with our guest last week, Luke Caverns.

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And you know, I'm going to
send this to a couple of people.

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I don't even think Ben van Kirkwick
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widely published, just very few images
of it. But I got a whole

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page of analogs from a Russian institute
that did some amazing photo photography and you

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can read the whole thing on Facebook. So go to either either go to

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go to Facebook and then go to
Earth Ancients group or international page. I'll

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have it on both including Instagram.
Now the question comes around as to who

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were the ones who carved this,
what were the instruments, because you have

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to have a microscope to cut the
fine lines and shave the arms and the

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legs to the point where you get
this reflective quality that is it's on a

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very very high level. And you
know, these are definitely out of place

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artifacts in the same way that other
are objects that are carved in a certain

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way, like these unusual stone vases
and plates and things. How would they

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cut We don't know. But this
is what we're talking about today. We're

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talking about ancient history and these clues
to this pre deluvion, pre flood,

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pre catastrophic event civilization. Sometimes it
might be referred to as Atlantis or is

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it MoU otherwise known as Limoria,
Is it Pangaea? Is it a place

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that we don't know about? It
was which was so thoroughly destroyed that all

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that was left were the temples,
perhaps the pyramids and other megalithic buildings that

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withstood this horrific event, simply because
it was made out of huge blocks of

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stone known as megalithic buildings. So
we really don't know. Here's a short

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excerpt from Graham Hancock talking about why
our ancient history matters. Have a quick

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listen. I think it's part of
the human condition to be curious about the

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post and I do think it.
I do think it matters, particularly when

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it comes to the issue of a
lost civilization. Because here we are today

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in the twenty first century, highly
advanced technological civilization, feeling very secure in

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our own achievements, and very proud
of what we've done. And the present

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model of history and prehistory that is
presented to us by archaeology allows us to

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feel that way because it encourages us
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pinnacle of human achievement. I think
that this is a very dangerous position to

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take. I think it's important to
note are there missing chapters in our story?

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Particularly? Is there a lost civilization
in our story? A civilization perhaps

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not as advanced as ours, but
much more advanced than the hunter gatherers who's

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supposed to have been the only population
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Now, obviously, this is the
premise that Graham has kind of runs

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through all of his books out of
place artifacts. We've talked about. Michael

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Krimo's book for ben in Archaeology filled
five hundred plus pages of unusual, characteristic

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and out of place artifacts from around
the world, and Graham brings it home

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and basically tells us that we need
to look at all this unusual evidence and

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recharacterize it. You know, it's
funny because I kind of caught Luke Cavern's

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off guard a little bit when I
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do you believe that the problem lies
in the fact that the education only

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allows thought of certain time periods to
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when you find go Beck, the
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early pre Dynastic Egyptian periods where there
are these unusual stone balls that were cut

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on laths, why can't you reach
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you're been reminded and damned if you
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a philosophy that if you skip beyond
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consider an earlier period, then you
are not following the approach to history that

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are historians, anthropologists, egyptologists,
archaeologists are laying down for us. And

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until they accept the fact that they
don't have it correct and they need to

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be more flexible, we're left with
a lot of questions, a lot of

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anger and hate towards Graham Hancock,
towards anyone who's in the alternative or pseudo

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scientific fields, meaning that it's a
joke and we're not going to accept it.

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It's very threatening, it's very threatening
to them. And the bigger issue

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is and We've talked about this before. When you have Ancient Apocalypse on the

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TV on Netflix and you got sixty
to seventy million people downloading it and watching

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it, you can't know. National
Geo and the Smithsonian, they can't even

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scratch the surface of that. They're
lucky to get, you know, under

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a million for their stuff. So
fantastic. Possibly. So today's program is

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Star Myths of the World, and
my guess is David Matheson. Hey,

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our last tour of the year is
the Sacred Temples of Maya. It's going

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to be November eight through the seventeenth
in the Yucatan Peninsula. And I got

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Ed Barnhart on the program here to
talk a little bit about a portion of

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the trail. Ed, what do
you guys go on? What's the itinerary?

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Talk a little bit about your planning
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I love the Yucatan. I have
been traveling there for over twenty years,

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and I'd like to say I really
have figured out nice routes that maximize

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the interesting things we're seeing without spending
all day on the road and wearing ourselves

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out. The pook part of the
trip is going to be especially nice.

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We're going to get to go to
some of these remote ruins where I guarantee

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you we'll be the only ones there
looking at these fabulous palaces and stela.

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But we're going to go to labnas
Aiel Kabah, and of course the headliner

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of the Pook is USh Mahl.
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visited from a very comfortable hacienda hotel. We'll go back and forth from our

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hotel to the ruins, spend most
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not too hot. I've got the
route worked out really nicely for you.

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And you know, in these crazy
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so many violent events are happening,
the Yucatan is really an oasis of safety

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and peace. A great time to
be visiting, a great safe place.

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Yeah. And one of the things
I like about the Pook Trail is that

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you can literally walk on most of
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in Chichinisa it's completely roped off.
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Pook area, isn't it. Absolutely. You know, we will do our

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we we always do, which is
to respect the ruins. But there's no

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guard telling you to not walk in
this room, or that there's a sleepy

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guy up in front that takes your
pesos and then the site's yours. That's

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November eighth through the seventeenth. For
the full itinerary and to register, go

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to Earth Ancients dot com forward slash
tour. All right, ed, thanks

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for that brief highlight my pleasure.
We support a number of conferences and programs

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on ancient civilizations known and unknown,
and last year we missed a featured presenter

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at Seapac David Matheson, who's with
us today. And I had heard about

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David and I got a sense of
his work through other authors, but I

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haven't had that on the program intel
Now. David is kind of a prolific

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writer. He has written a number
of books, including Star Myths of the

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World, The Ancient Worldwide System,
Ancient Myths and the Undying Stars. That's

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just a couple of his books.
If you go to Amazon, you'll see

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he's got quite a slew of him. And I'm having David on the program

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because he fits beautifully into Earth Ancients
because he is talking about his own research

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into star system. Not only it's
connection to various no civilizations, but it

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looks like a lot of the astronomy, a lot of the science has been

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handed down. So David, Welcome
to Earth Ancients. Great to have you

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on the program. Nice Cleff,
so great to be here. I appreciate

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that introduction. And it's really an
amazing world that we're living on and we're

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still discovering so much about it.
You know, we're gonna talk shortly about

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a video you did on some discoveries, but you emphasize the fact that it

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looks like no civilizations like the Pharonic
Egyptians, the Maya, had much of

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their astronomy handed down to them.
What did you make the connection that these

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ancient cultures that we consider, you
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early Dynastics, were connected to an
earlier civilization. Yeah. Well, I've

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been studying this now, Cliff,
for about fifteen years, you know,

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full on, really diving into this, since being alerted to the existence of

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a book called Hamlet's Milled. So
a lot of people have talked about Hamlets

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know and they say in the introduction, you know, it's published in nineteen

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sixty nine, but they are talking
about some vast ancient system that exists in

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myth that exists in fable that exists
in rituals that appears to connect civilizations across

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the globe that conventional history or conventional
paradigm of human history says could not have

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possibly been connected. And that fascinated
me. And I was already fascinated by

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myths. I've always been fascinated by
myths, and so that book was published

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in nineteen sixty nine. Unfortunately,
it is a bit haphazard and hard to

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piece together exactly what the two authors
are talking about. They just throw out

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an awful lot of evidence, and
kudos to them for seeing that something was

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going on. But I really devoted
myself to figuring out what is going on

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in the myths of the world that
they allege are tied to these heavenly cycles,

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and that they allege is popping up
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So that's what really got me started
on it. And for fifteen years I've

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been looking at the stories of ancient
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The stories in the Bible can be
shown to be based on this same system.

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So if we've got a system that
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of the Bible, and the stories
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ancient Japan, and then as you
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the Americas, also the cultures of
the Pacific, across the vast Pacific Ocean,

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from Hawaii all the way to New
Zealand, Aota Aroa, there's stories

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of Maui. Those stories are using
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Japan, already, Australia, Africa. So it appears to be an ancient

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worldwide system. And that's what I
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said, I've written, you know, well over five thousand pages of material,

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including charts and diagrams and pictures of
ancient artwork, and analysis of stories

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in the Bible, or analysis of
the Mahabhta of you know, ancient India,

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some of the Vedas, the Sanskrit
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Why am I going to write so
many pages? Because it's like there's just

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so much material we could never run
out of it. All these myths are

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using this system around the world.
It's like it's like discovering dinosaurs in your

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backyard and you keep pulling out the
dinosaurs. And someone said, how are

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you able to produce so many dinosaurs? And I say they're already there,

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They're just sitting there waiting to be
discovered. That's a good analogy. Talk

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a little bit about what we do
know, because you know, Rubbert Beaval

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Hancock and Robert Schock, while they
were in England or England Egypt, showed

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that the Pyramids and the Sphinx and
a lot of very important buildings are aligned

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to the Orion constellations. That's a
huge deal to do that and for us

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to identify that. Why would they
ancients care about aligning their buildings and their

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monuments to a constellation. Yeah,
that's a great point. And also let's

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not leave out the tremendous work of
Robert Shock, Robert Shock's partner in this

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endeavor, John Anthony West, who
said, Hey, I needed a geologist,

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somebody you know who's who's willing to
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And that's how Robert Shock got involved
in this. And you know, I

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had the opportunity to meet both of
them. Just wonderful, wonderful individuals who

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have moved research forward so far.
In Graham, Hancock, Rubber boot Ball,

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as you mentioned, But your question
what is so important about the stars?

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You know, I'm alleging that all
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world are based on the stars.
Why what's so special about them? And

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some people have said, well,
it just seems natural that they would be

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based on the stars. No,
it doesn't, It doesn't just seems that's

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an objection. I sometimes hear,
well, everyone can see the stars,

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so of course they would base all
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maybe some of them would, but
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that it has to do with when
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you're looking into the infinite realm.
You're looking into infinity basically, when as

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far as you can see, those
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and the galaxy, the Milky Way, it is a representation of the

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infinite realm. If the you know, Egyptians were concerned with the duot,

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which is this realm. It's called
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realm of the West where the stars
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the realm of the dead. I
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and we don't have any ancient Egyptians
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and researchers and writers. I think
Jeremy Nabler, who talked about the Shamanic

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texts in the Pyramid or the Shamanic
Pyramid texts, said, the do WoT

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is more than just the realm of
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connects everybody. I would say,
the short answer to your question is the

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stars are a way of depicting the
infinite realm, the infinite and connecting to

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the infinite realm, and saying by
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Earth in the pyramids for instance,
or different sites around the world, lying

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to the stars and the heavenly cycles, it's saying, you know, we

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feel disconnected from the infinite realm,
but we're actually not. You have to

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remind ourselves that we're all actually connected
in some way to this invisible realm.

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And modern we don't need to get
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go down if you don't want to. But the modern kind of materialistic paradigm

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is, oh no, there's no
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yet we've all experienced weird synchronicities,
or I feel like I haven't thought of

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this old army buddy in ten years, and he lives in Texas and I

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live in California, and I think
of him that morning and he calls that

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afternoon, and I say, wait
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You know? Or we dream about
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day it happened, or something like
it happens, and we say, how

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did that happen? And there's psychologists
and people who have said, well,

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it's almost like an echo of something
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before it happens. Well that's weird, and you know, I can't prove

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it, but it seems to be
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this long answer short, I believe
they are reflecting the heavens in this architecture

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and in the myth to say,
you know what, there is an infinite

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or an invisible realm that connects all
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that's what they were doing, but
I can prove that the myths are all

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based on the stars. So the
question is why. The real answer is

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we don't know why for sure,
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believe it has something to do with
what all those things I just said.

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Is alignment though, Dave, is
the alignment the signature of the ancestors,

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the ancients, the handed down the
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the Great Pyramids with the Orion system, that's not a simple thought. That's

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a major physics and scientific law that's
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best and your best guess is that
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They inherited this, right, So
talk about that. Yeah, So all

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this archaeological evidence around the globe points
to archaeological I mean big stones, you

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know, in megalithic construction in Central
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Plateau. There's pyramids in both Central
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They're you know, different shapes and
different proportions, but there appears to be

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connections to the polygonal stones of Central
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Egypt. And researchers have shown,
hey, look at these nubs on the

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stones. That's what Rust and Kyle
and the Brothers of the Serpent call them

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nubs. And they said, look, there's nubs here in sticking out of

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the stones, these pillow shaped stones
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And the the physical remains around the
world point to the possibility or very

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strong likelihood of an ancient civilization with
advanced capabilities that aligns things to the stars.

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And you know, the alignments of
the pyramids are quite remarkable, especially

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we're told, you know, there's
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centimeter a year. Well, if
they're six thousand years old, but are

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five thousand years old, shouldn't they
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off the alignments. It's some you
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true North. Anyway, my research
is about the myths and showing the myths

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are quote aligned to the stars or
connected to the stars. They're based on

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a celestial pattern. And that celestial
pattern is already in use in the normal

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palate of you know, the first
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and also the seal of King Den
who's like the fourth dynastic king of the

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First dynasty. We're talking literally three
thousand BC, and they're already using this

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sophisticated system which is already in use
in Mesopotamia. You can look at artwork

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from Sumer and you can also look
at artwork from India, and you can

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look at artwork from the Maya,
and they're all reflecting the stars in the

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artwork, but also in the myths. I show the artwork a lot,

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but we could talk about just the
stories themselves, even without artwork are based

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on the stars. For instance,
there's a there's a myth about Apollo gets

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more of a woman pregnant and he
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you know, crow needs to guard
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may be where we get our name
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it. Karina is overwatched by this
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and messes up, and this whole
thing. But a pregnant woman being watched

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by a crow in the sky,
the constellation Virgo, who looks like a

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woman giving birth. She's got her
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crow constellation right next to Virgo,
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right at the hip of Virgo.
So this crow is staring at her

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in the sky. I mean myth
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stars orriguing to be based on the
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I could literally pull out thousands of
examples. So if they're using this system

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in the earliest Mesopotamian text like Gyogamesh
is based on this system, they're using

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it in the earliest Egyptian paletts,
they're using it in the earliest Indian vedas,

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they're using it in the stories of
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Popol vu Okay, did they all
come up with it simultaneously, Yeah,

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that's what's really weirdly or did they
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would argue that argues for an ancient
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or the earliest dynasty already had it
fully developed. The Sumerians already had

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it fully developed, but different as
if it's already evolved or mutated. So

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it must have come from somewhere much
earlier. And so what I'm saying about

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all the archaeology that people like Graham
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they're looking at the physical stuff and
saying, hey, something much older,

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you know, Ben from uncharted X
is showing these vases and things like that

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that it's just amazing. Okay,
something much older and sophisticated. So all

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that physical stuff is showing it.
And I'm saying, yes, I agree,

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and the myths show if people could
really grasp what I'm saying about the

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myths that they are using the same
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ancient Mesopotamia, ancient Egypt. That
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cultures of the Pacific and Australia and
Africa and China. That blows away the

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conventional paradigm because either the Egyptians were
sailing around and giving it to everybody,

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which nobody, nobody are I don't
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I argue that they all inhered it
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likely explanation to me, is that
kind of answer where you were going?

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It does. And I want to
bring up this varmer palate because you just

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did a video which is I'm going
to post it on Facebook for those of

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you listening, is very very good. We're going to talk about some material,

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but within that discussion, you bring
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kings list, there's a Sumerian kings
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lists, and the Egyptians goes back
I think one hundred thousand plus years,

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but conventional archaeology only goes to say
known pharaohs. Why do you think they

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won't go back to the beginning.
They think that anything before three thousand BC

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is a myth because they can't accept
the date of a one hundred thousand years

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ago. And we see this with
sumer too. Why why not? Why

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why are we restricted in the ability
to go further back where this early civilization

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may have been formed. It's a
great question, Cliff, This this denial.

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So what you're mentioning with these king
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ancient cultures of something that came well
before them. And in those acknowledgments they

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also say, and they were more
advanced, they were like God, they

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were the sons of forests, they
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and they were before us. And
if you look at the different ages

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that they talk about, they say, yeah, things are kind of getting

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worse. We're we're in the you
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us and then there was a Golden
eight. You know, there was a

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Heroic Age, and then before that
a Silver Age, and before that a

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Golden Age. We're just kind of
the we're in the crummy age down here,

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We're in the you know, that's
what the ancient civilization basically acknowledged.

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And it was a it was a
different paradigm than what we're used to.

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You know, you and I we
grew up in the United States of America,

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and it's like progress. Everything is
getting better. You know, no

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rocket ships at the beginning of the
twentieth century. Now we've got rocket ships

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or you know whatever, cars.
Everything is just getting better all the time.

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That is our paradigm. It's a
linear view of human history that just

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keeps getting better. We started off
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slime, and then we crawled up, and then we started doing kind of

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pastoral stuff, and then we started
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of all, nobody can explain how
those grains that we can eat even became

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the domestic grains, or how the
cows, you know, bulls, big

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giant o roxes became domestic cata you
know, how did that happen? It's

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just kind of a handwave of oh
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Wait a minute, honey gatherers.
You know that whole thing is actually

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hard to explain. But anyway,
this paradigm of constant progress is blown away

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by the evidence the ancients acknowledged.
The ancients that we know of acknowledge something

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more ancient than them. But for
some strange reason, we are stuck in

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a paradigm that absolutely refuses. And
when Robert Shack and John Anthony West talked

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about the furrowing on the Pyramids,
I can give you quotes from Egyptologists who

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say the furrowing the rain erosion,
who say, well, they're looking at

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rain or they're arguing for rain erosion
on the Sphinx, and that thus they're

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pushing it back to ten thousand BC
when the climate was different. It can't

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be because we know there was no
civilization back then. So it's like we

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can't look it epan because we already
know well, you know, the Egyptians

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were just figuring out primitive farming at
that point. They couldn't have been making

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us thanks. We know that that's
our paradigm, so we can't look at

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evidence that you know, it's That's
what I'm saying, David, is that

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we're screwed because we have this academic
uh historians that are saying there's nothing but

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hunters and gatherers before this time period. And what the problem I see is

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that if the Egyptians are coming up
with this king's list of pharaohs or kings

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before there were pharaohs that goes back
to early prehistory, why is that a

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myth to them rather than actual people
who lived with the civilization. I think

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that's a huge issue for us.
It is a huge issue, Cliff,

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and it's it's it begged the question
if is somebody trying, you know,

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to get conspiratorial. We don't have
to get conspiratorial, but how could all

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this evidence be so stubbornly and like
condescendingly resisted, Like it's not even oh

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well that's interesting, let's look at
it. No, it's basically saying we

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have our paradigm and therefore we know
that your interpretation must be wrong. It's

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like saying, we've already figured out
the culprit in this crime, now don't

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bother me with any other evidence.
Wait a minute, are we trying to

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figure out who really did the crime
or not. And it's possible, Cliff,

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that there was some kind of catastrophe. There's a lot of people who

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talk about a catastrophe that separated the
ancient cultures we know of from something before,

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something much before. I like to
use the terms deep ancient and near

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ancient. I wasn't going to introduce
those terms right away. I was going

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to show some evidence first, but
it's helpful. Like the the ancient cultures

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we know of all acknowledged something in
the deep ancient. Maybe that in deep

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ancient was before a catastrophe, or
maybe, you know, if they were

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still advanced, maybe it was a
war. Maybe they I was just watching

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an old Star Trek episode last night, The Menagerie, the very first Star

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Trek from nineteen sixty five. The
Menagerie, they go to this planet,

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the one planet you're not allowed to
visit on these Tolosians who have these huge

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heads and they can do illusions.
But what it turns out you find out,

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well, they destroyed the surface of
their planet because of war, and

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so they have to live underground.
I remember that one. Yeah, yeah,

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it's a really it's a really thought
provoking episode. I mean, those

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things were great writing they were really
they were playing with deep concepts. But

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anyway, why do I bring it
up? Because they're in this storyline they

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have destroyed their planet. Well,
I don't know. Could it be that

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the catastrophe also involved some kind of
advanced civilization destroying the service and people had

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to live underground. Maybe that's why
I don't want to talk about it.

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I don't know. I don't know
why it's so hard to admit that if

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humans have been around for eight hundred
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form, you know, the difference
between six thousand and a million is pretty

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big if you think about it in
US dollars. If somebody tells you you

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need a million dollars to retire,
and you've got six thousand dollars in your

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account, you got six thousand in
your account. How far are you from

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a million? Well, you're not
even to ten thousand yet, right,

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you got six thousand dollars. You
got a ulmpost double it just to get

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to ten thousand. Then you got
a ten x that just to get to

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one hundred thousand. One hundred thousand
is still a long way from a million.

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You got to stack ten hundred thousands
on top of each other to get

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to a million. So six thousand. So if people have been around a

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million years and they're saying, well, yeah, we've only had civilization for

404
00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:05.760
six thousand of those years, Well
that's possible we were just you know,

405
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:09.960
hanging out for all those hundreds and
hundreds and hundreds of thousands of years.

406
00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:16.159
But it's also possible that we had
advanced civilizations. The ancients talk about it,

407
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:20.519
and it is possible that there was
a catastrophe that separates us from it,

408
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:22.320
in which case we might want to
know about that. That's what Graham

409
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:28.599
Hancock and you know, Robert Shock
keeps saying, is keeping if there was

410
00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:34.440
a catastrophe and weren't like blindly closing
our eyes to the to a to a

411
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:37.880
world altering catastrophe in our ancient past, that's not smart. Like we might

412
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:43.639
want to figure out how to how
to preserve our knowledge somehow the knowledge did

413
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:45.920
get preserved. Anyway, I'm talking
about a lot of stuff. I could

414
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show you some evidence just to really
drive it home with well, I think

415
00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:53.320
you did in this video. I
want you to talk about a piece of

416
00:37:53.599 --> 00:38:02.079
artifact of pelos Agate, uh that
is featured and this thing must but have

417
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:07.800
been cut from a previous civilization,
because not only is it exquisite, it's

418
00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:15.000
very I mean, you show that
it is cosmological in its representation. Talk

419
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:19.079
a little bit about this and where
it was found, when it was found,

420
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:23.679
and what this speculation is on how
it was carved. Pelos aged am

421
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:30.280
I saying it correctly? So it's
Pylos, Clio, Pylos kid, that's

422
00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:36.840
our Yeah, that's our American pronounce
fish. I do believe that British researchers

423
00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:40.039
might pronounce it Pilos. You know
they call we call things the ancient temple

424
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:44.239
of Delphi, and they would say, no, it's Delphi. I think

425
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:49.119
we say Pylos and they say Pelos. I say Pilos because I'm American.

426
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:55.840
But Pylos is on the western part
of the Peloponnese in Greece modern day Greece.

427
00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:00.559
The Peloponnese is where the Spartans lived. They were down on It's that

428
00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:05.280
hand shaped part of Greece that points
into the you know, the Mediterranean,

429
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:12.519
the Aegean on the west. There
the the ancient city of Pylos is even

430
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:17.760
mentioned in the Odyssey, which is
an ancient you know, epic ancient poem

431
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:23.360
which I've done a whole study of
the Odyssey and published my arguments as to

432
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:29.199
how all those different events in the
Odyssey are based on the stars. They're

433
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:31.960
clearly based on the stars. But
anyway, in the Odyssey, Pylos is

434
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:37.159
mentioned they go to visit Nestor.
Telemachus, the son of Odysseus, goes

435
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:44.480
to visit Nestor. So Nestor is
in Pylos, and there's a place,

436
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:51.079
there's a ruin that's called the Palace
of Nestor. An archaeologist in the eighteen

437
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:53.639
hundreds said, oh, yeah,
that's this beautiful palace. I'm going to

438
00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:59.079
call it the Palace of Nestor because
Nestor is mentioned in the Odyssey. Did

439
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:02.079
nest Or ever exist? I think, you know, it's a myth,

440
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:07.039
so that's arguable. But anyway,
there is a thing called the Palace of

441
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:10.559
Nestor, and it's incredible. It's
even got indoor plumbing, and it's ancient.

442
00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:17.400
You know, it was a pretty
advanced palace in very early ancient Greece.

443
00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:25.199
And there were some researchers from the
University of Cleveland in twenty fifteen who

444
00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:30.360
wanted to dig around the Palace of
Nestor, it's so called Palace of Nestor,

445
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:34.719
and because of some red tape,
they didn't get to dig where they

446
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:39.559
actually wanted to, so they ended
up digging in this olive grove and they

447
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:46.400
stumbled across or found or I shouldn't
downplay what they did. I mean a

448
00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:54.119
very important discovery of a tomb in
the olive orchard near the Palace of Nestor,

449
00:40:57.079 --> 00:41:00.719
near the city of Pylos, which
still exists in Greece. This tomb

450
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:07.079
that was undisturbed, still sealed,
containing the bones of a man in his

451
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:12.440
thirties and all kinds of artifacts and
armor. There's swords, there's helmets,

452
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:17.800
there's mirrors, there's hair clips,
there's rings. And they called him the

453
00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:22.840
Griffin Warrior because of one of the
seals that they found, and so they

454
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:27.400
call it the Tomb of the Griffin
Warrior. And they said, you know,

455
00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:30.880
we can date this tomb because it's
got bones and organic matter in it.

456
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:36.639
And they discovered that it was fifteen
hundred BC, which is or BCE

457
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:40.719
if you prefer. That's pretty ugly. What we think of as classical grease

458
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:46.840
is like five hundred BC four hundred
BC. Alexander the Great was in the

459
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:52.960
middle of the three hundred's BC.
So if this is fifteen hundred BC,

460
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:58.880
that's a thousand years before classical Grease, and it's in the time of like

461
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:02.679
the Mycenians. And Thenan's because it's
gonna say this Mycenian area manan. Yeah,

462
00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:07.840
so he has a sophisticated gear.
It looks like huh, very sophistic

463
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:14.079
beautiful art work. And so they
didn't even discover this to him until twenty

464
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:16.559
fifteen. And then they go to
work, you know, uncovering the artifacts

465
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:20.960
and they find this. I'll show
it up on the screen for those who

466
00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:24.039
are watching on the YouTube or and
also send you an image of it to

467
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:30.320
put on Facebook. But we can
describe it too. Let me go ahead

468
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:38.840
and share my screen once you enable
it there and we'll get that. I

469
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:44.719
need to get it enabled. I
don't know how you enable me right now

470
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:50.199
it says I can't share. I'm
seeing your screen. Okay, let me

471
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:59.760
there you go. Thanks, Okay, I'm gonna give it a try.

472
00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:05.320
Here share a screen perfect, Okay. So I'm gonna hit share the whole

473
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:08.480
desktop and go over here to you. Where's mine and for those of you

474
00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:14.599
listening that don't get the video,
we will have this on Facebook. This

475
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:22.760
amazing new artifact that is featured in
David's most recent video. Right, yeah,

476
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:30.159
and and so it was. It
was this this little stone was encrusted

477
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:34.840
with lime deposits and kind of mineral
deposits, and they cleaned it off and

478
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:37.559
I'll show it to you. So
care you seeing my screen? No,

479
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:42.719
I got the Narmer palette up there. It's oh, it says your screen

480
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:45.400
share is loading. Hold on,
I'm sorry, what's taking it so long?

481
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:59.079
Here? Let me know when you
see nice screen It said your screen

482
00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:01.039
share is loading, and I don't
know why it's taking it so known.

483
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:06.719
Sorry, go ahead and describe it. I'll just start describing it first.

484
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:10.920
It's just an amazing piece. I
mean in the video you spend a good

485
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:20.960
fifteen minutes on the description because it's
nothing. It is the most exquisite carved

486
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:29.599
a piece of stone I've ever seen. Actually three people, it is beautiful.

487
00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:34.719
Yeah, and I will describe it
to you. So, this little

488
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:38.320
agate, it's made out of agate, so it's sometimes called the pylos Agate,

489
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:43.360
and Ago is a fairly hard stone. I don't remember you know,

490
00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:46.719
I don't know if they've done a
mores scale on this particular agot, but

491
00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:51.039
agot is pretty high up there on
the moors scale, so it's hard.

492
00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:57.880
And it is also this particular artifact
tiny. I like to put up a

493
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:02.400
picture of Okay, now now you
can see my screen. Can you see

494
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:07.079
it? Yeah, Cliff, perfect, Okay. So this is the common

495
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:14.679
the Pilos agot, or sometimes it's
called the Pilos combat agot, and it's

496
00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:20.119
because it's got this scene of combat
on the stone itself. But it is

497
00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:25.760
tiny. Here's a I put Could
it be Minoan? That's what researchers believe.

498
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:30.800
It's really kind of got a Minoan
look to the artwork, not typical

499
00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:35.760
Greetic or even Mycenian. What was
the size of a dave? Is it?

500
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:38.079
Like? Yeah? I think he
says it's like a size of a

501
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:45.920
quarter. Oh there, it's three
point six centimeters, which here in Australia

502
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:51.280
people understand what centimeters are. But
that is really small. It's like an

503
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:53.440
inch and a half and I need
to put up a quarter in a second.

504
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:57.599
But I've got the scale on the
bottom. It's about three point six

505
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:01.400
centimeters all the way across. Here's
a quarter for comparison. Now look at

506
00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:06.239
the detail to find detail on that
quarter. It's not really that fine of

507
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:08.960
detail, of course, it's just
a quarter, but you know that's how

508
00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:13.480
big a quarter is. A quarter
covers more than half of this thing.

509
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:16.960
So if you if you had a
quarter in your pocket in the pilot's combat

510
00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:21.679
agate, the pilot's combat agt would
only be a little bit wider than the

511
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:24.599
quarter, you know, the US
twenty five cent piece. So let me

512
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:30.239
show you this is detail. I'm
just going to zoom in to show that,

513
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:36.119
like the rib cage on, it's
got the three figures on the artwork.

514
00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:38.679
As you said, there's one guy
at the top who I call the

515
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:45.079
swordsman. He's brandishing a sword that
he's about to plunge down one leg really

516
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:50.000
extended out, and he's got a
sword in one hand that he's carrying it

517
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:53.239
up over his head, and his
other hand is reaching out and grasping the

518
00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:59.800
helmet crest of this other warrior who
I call the spearman. This other warrior

519
00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:05.440
had a big, long shield,
a big spear. You see, he's

520
00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:08.960
got his own app holding a spear. But the spearman has a crest on

521
00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:13.239
a like a like a plume,
like a Roman helmet kind of, but

522
00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:17.119
it's in a big arc and the
swordsman is grabbing that crest as he's about

523
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:22.840
to kill the spearman with his sword. He's about to plunge that sword right

524
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:27.840
down the guy, basically right down
through his boulder, blades into his chest

525
00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:30.199
cabin and kill him. It's a
death blow. And down on the ground

526
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:37.159
beneath them is another individual who has
already been killed. Me lying on the

527
00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:43.280
ground. But the musculature on these
figure is fantastic to remember. The Look

528
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:49.760
at the rib cage on that the
swordsman. The ribs are rippling in his

529
00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:53.960
torso. And look at the back
muscles on the man who's slain on the

530
00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:59.320
ground. His back muscles are all
you know. There's a trapezoid muscle.

531
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:05.360
There's a loud on his doorside.
There's his his his kilt. He's wearing

532
00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:09.440
like a skirt or a short kilt, and it's like a tartan kind of

533
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:16.199
plaid, the skirt or that he's
wearing, and you can see almost practically

534
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:22.800
see the fibers of it. The
hair on this the hair on the swordsman

535
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:27.679
is all these little ringlets. This
is tiny, tiny, and it's so

536
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:34.599
detailed that this is one of the
researchers who discovered the Iilos combat Aga and

537
00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:37.239
the tomb of the Griffin Warrior.
Her name is Sherry Stocker. She and

538
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:42.360
her husband were the team. They
were the leaders of the team that discovered

539
00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:47.480
this tomb. She said, this
staple should change the way we view prehistoric

540
00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:53.440
art because and she's they don't know
how these details of them are like a

541
00:48:53.920 --> 00:49:01.719
of a millimeter. We're gonna take
a short commercial break to allow our sponsors

542
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:07.960
to identify themselves, and we will
return shortly with my guest today, David

543
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:16.400
Mathieson, talking about unusual artifacts from
the ancient past and unknown civilizations. Will

544
00:49:16.480 --> 00:50:04.159
be right back. My guest today
is David Matheson. He's coming to us

545
00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:10.039
from Australia. One of the features
of his interview is this amazing sculpture known

546
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:15.280
as the filus Agate. It's a
stone carving of great intricacy. In fact,

547
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:22.079
it's so intricately carved it must have
been done with unusual unknown tools.

548
00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:29.480
Well, I was gonna ask you
have they done any kind of scan like

549
00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:37.360
been Van Warwick is doing with those
stone vases. Have they put it through

550
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:40.639
any kind of analytics. You know, this was shown to the world in

551
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:45.920
twenty seventeen and there were tons of
articles that came out saying, oh my

552
00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:52.559
goodness, this is amazing. I
have not seen much new research on it

553
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:54.480
since twenty seventeen, which is now, you know, this is now seven

554
00:50:54.559 --> 00:51:00.960
years ago. It's still a very
new find right archeologically speaking, but the

555
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:07.360
the I haven't seen any new If
you go searching for Pylos combat agot,

556
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:13.400
you will not see I don't know. Maybe there's some scholarly literature writing about

557
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:16.320
it, but I do not know
of any scams like like you said,

558
00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:22.559
Ben Varren Kirkwick of Untarded X has
been doing these detailed computer you know,

559
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:29.199
engineering scams. A vasive this would
be something, but he's he's looking for

560
00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:35.920
symmetry. This is obviously a piece
of artwork, but it appears to be

561
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:43.719
using some there there's been you know, when it first came out, people

562
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:45.400
were saying, I don't know how
they did this. They must have had

563
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:52.000
some optics, meaning some ground glass
that can you know they were writing that.

564
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:57.519
But but since then I haven't seen
anything. But here's what's amazing about

565
00:51:57.559 --> 00:52:00.440
it. To me that I think
is so important because, as I said,

566
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:06.559
it wasn't even shown to the world
until either late twenty sixteen or early

567
00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:10.119
twenty seventeen. I think November twenty
sixteen, if I'm not mistaken, when

568
00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:16.639
it was first shown. Somebody contacted
me on Twitter and texted a picture of

569
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:20.639
it to or twittered tweeted a picture
of it to me and said, hey,

570
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:24.440
look at this, because I had
already been writing about you know,

571
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:28.519
for years, I'd already been writing
about them myths being based on the stars

572
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:30.960
and artwork being based on the stars, and somebody said, hey, you

573
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:34.639
might want to check this out.
And I looked at it and I immediately

574
00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:38.320
said, yeah, this is based
on the same patterns that I've been writing

575
00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:45.719
about and seeing in other myths and
artwork. So I was writing about it

576
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:51.519
before this tomb was discovered. Then
they find this thing and let me show

577
00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:53.599
you what I'm talking about briefly,
and as you said, I've got a

578
00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:57.800
whole video about it. But before
you before you move on, yeah,

579
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:01.840
go ahead. Is this in a
museum where or is it just shown one

580
00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:06.920
time where it is? Okay,
So I don't know where it is.

581
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:10.519
I would suspect it stayed in Greece. Nowadays it's not as common to take

582
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:14.920
stuff to other countries as it used
to be. You know, there's a

583
00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:19.800
lot of things in the British Museum
and in the Lout that came from Napoleon,

584
00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:22.400
you know, and Napoleon actually brought
back a bunch of stuff from his

585
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:30.800
trip to Egypt. Yeah, but
the British Lord Nelson defeated his fleet and

586
00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:32.480
so the British got a whole bunch
of this stuff. That's why the Rosetta

587
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:37.559
stone is in the British Museum.
Anyway. Now there's a lot of arguments

588
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:42.559
about taking stuff back to Egypt,
So I would doubt that the Greek government.

589
00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:46.119
I would hope they have it on
display somewhere, but I have to

590
00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:51.519
go. I have to go look
and find out where it is. Cliff,

591
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:57.639
it's a real mystery that this has
not changed our view, Like like

592
00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:00.519
this quote says, this should not
just change you of prehistoric art. This

593
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:06.440
should change our view of human history
because this is advanced, This has advanced

594
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:12.920
capability being displayed on a very hard
but very tiny piece of stone like that

595
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:19.000
artwork is incredible. It's almost like
it's it's it's it's machine quality like that

596
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:22.960
it's been imprinted. And then uh, it's it's obviously a relief. It's

597
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:29.760
it's ticking a stone and cutting away
the bodies and the and the objects so

598
00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:35.719
that it comes forward. But it's
too ornate and too sophisticated to be to

599
00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:43.920
me to be uh carved by hand. This smooth musculature is just amazing.

600
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:47.880
I don't know how you even do
that, and I don't know how you

601
00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:52.639
do that by hand, like you
said, but is it a piece?

602
00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:57.280
And yes, they think it's a
cylinder seal, so they call it,

603
00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:00.840
you know, a seal that you
would impress into some not a similar seal,

604
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but they think it's a seal,
like a kind of a They think

605
00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:07.920
he might have worn it around his
wrist because it was found in the vicinity

606
00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:13.440
of the risk of this skeleton.
This was a young thirty something year old

607
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:19.199
warrior, right, and he was
obviously he was obviously very highly positioned in

608
00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:24.000
society because he had like three thousand
artifacts. Oh my goodness, so three

609
00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:29.559
thousand artifacts and this this cylinder or
not similar seal. I keep saying cilinder

610
00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:32.320
seal, but it's like a seal
of a kind of an official seal is

611
00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:36.199
what they think it might have been, because it was around his wrist.

612
00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:42.039
Okay, we're going to start a
gallery on for this show, and if

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you could send me this this disc
and you're lit it up on the Facebook

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page, Yeah, sure will,
Cliff. That's that. But the thing

615
00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:58.440
I want to emphasize is this scene
of combat of a warrior brandishing a sword

616
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with his you know, exaggerated,
extended. I can show you in all

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00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:10.480
kinds of artwork around the world.
I can show you this in artwork from

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00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:15.159
ancient India, artwork from ancient Mesopotamia. You can look up the god a

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Dad. You can see it in
artwork from ancient Egypt. It's so common

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00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:27.000
in ancient Egypt that they call this
particular type of scene a smiting scene.

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00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:32.239
The king smiting his enemies, and
he's got an exaggerated lunge posture. In

622
00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:37.599
the smiting scenes, you can even
see it on the armor palate he's holding

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00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:40.760
often the hair of his enemies.
In this case, he's holding a crest

624
00:56:42.039 --> 00:56:46.119
on the pilot sagat. He's brandishing
a weapon overhead. Sometimes that weapon is

625
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:51.760
a sword, but more often it'll
be a club or a mace. The

626
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:55.119
god Zeus does this exact same posture, but he will be holding a thunderbolt.

627
00:56:57.599 --> 00:57:00.760
There's maya gods who are a sociated
with the same things that Zeus is

628
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:06.840
associated with, thunder storms, rain. There's a Maya god named Chalk,

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and I show him in this exact
same posture, and it is a posture

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that is celestial. So this is
the stars. I just quickly show the

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Can you see the constellation that I'm
outlining? There's the Milky Way? Sure,

632
00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:30.159
can you see this constellation that I
just outlined or is Hercules? Yes?

633
00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:32.280
Yeah, okay, so that's the
constellation Hercules. And you can see

634
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:38.719
in the sky the constellation Hercules is
in this deep lunge posture, holding a

635
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:44.440
weapon overhead and reaching forward with the
other hand. So one hand holds a

636
00:57:44.480 --> 00:57:52.280
weapon brandishing overhead, one hand reaches
forward. And now some let's say I

637
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:57.239
have a university professor here and I
show this and I say, look,

638
00:57:57.280 --> 00:58:00.199
this is just like the combat agat. He might say, yeah, yeah,

639
00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:02.400
well, when people smite somebody,
they do go into that posture.

640
00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:07.280
So you can't prove that this is
based on the stars. Well, yes

641
00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:13.719
I can, because they've put detailed
into this artwork. For one thing,

642
00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:19.199
he's grasping a crest and I'll show
you. I'll show you down below is

643
00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:22.559
a constellation called O Fucus that I'm
outlining right now. That's the spear man.

644
00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:27.960
I won't because of in the interest
of time, I won't go all

645
00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:34.440
into the evidence that O. Fucus
figures in myth almost always have spears.

646
00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:38.440
But they do because these these serpent
halves on either side of O. Fucus

647
00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:44.360
can be envisioned as you can draw
a line through them and envision them as

648
00:58:44.440 --> 00:58:47.239
spears. I can prove that,
but I won't right now. I'll just

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00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:52.480
say figures associated with O Fucus.
For instance, to Goddess Asina, she

650
00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:58.039
wears a helmet, just like this
guy down below in the pilots Aget,

651
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:01.599
the second guy with the spear wearing
a helmet. The goddess Athena carries a

652
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:07.199
spear. She comes out of the
head of her father Zeus. Zeus is

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00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:12.880
associated with hercules. So, oh, Fucus figures carry spears. Just trust

654
00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:15.320
me on that. I've put lots
of evidence out there. I won't go

655
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into all the evidence, right So
are you saying that this is like a

656
00:59:19.079 --> 00:59:22.760
worldwide myth, and this is the
reproduction of this myth. It's like a

657
00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:30.880
worldwide system, and the system pops
up all around the world, but with

658
00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:37.239
different clothes on, so to speak. It's almost like the same bones underneath

659
00:59:37.639 --> 00:59:43.960
get fleshed out into myth around the
world with different kind of permutations. Does

660
00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:46.840
that make sense? Yeah? But
tell us what the myth is. If

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00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:54.679
these are two battling warriors, one's
been slain, and is this like the

662
00:59:54.920 --> 01:00:00.480
Maya's two hero brothers? Is this, I mean, what's the symbology?

663
01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:07.679
Good? Good question? On the
Pylo's combat at I don't know, and

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nobody knows what exactly this scene is. Some have speculated, oh, could

665
01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:15.840
this be a scene from the Iliad, you know, the ancient Iliad,

666
01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:21.239
But nobody knows for sure. That
didn't come with any writing. But I

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01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:25.039
will tell you. Let me,
let me explain one myth that is based

668
01:00:25.079 --> 01:00:31.440
on this scene. The figure of
Hercules plays the role of the god.

669
01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:36.880
Well, he is a god,
but he's the son of Zeus, Hercules

670
01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:39.599
or Heracles. He's a demi god. He's kind of half human, half

671
01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:45.800
mortal Hercules, but Zeus is also
associated with that same constellation Hercules and Zeus

672
01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:52.039
fights a monster called Typhon. Have
you ever heard of Zeus versus Typhon.

673
01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:58.119
I've actually got to pick up right
here. Let me show you this.

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01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:07.440
Let me just show you Zeus versus
Typhen in that in the myth of Zeus

675
01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:14.119
versus typhen you can see this is
a vase that's found in Berlin. It's

676
01:01:14.199 --> 01:01:22.880
the same part of the sky I'm
showing as the pilot's combat agate. This

677
01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:24.880
is a drawing of it. I
just make it a little more clear.

678
01:01:25.440 --> 01:01:31.400
Zeus was fighting this monster who had
a human torso and serpent legs. And

679
01:01:31.519 --> 01:01:37.599
you see Zeus is in that posture, that same posture with the defended rear

680
01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:43.159
leg Zeus is in the same posture
as the Constellation Hercules. Instead of holding

681
01:01:43.199 --> 01:01:46.039
a sword, this time he's holding
his thunderbolt, but he's reaching out with

682
01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:52.400
his arm and touching the wing of
Typhon. Typhen is actually associated with O

683
01:01:52.599 --> 01:01:58.119
Fucus. I'll bring Hercules over here
that I've got a bunch of animation here.

684
01:01:58.199 --> 01:02:07.320
This is actually from seap but you
can see the parallels are just undeniable.

685
01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:12.880
But he's throwing thunderbolts at Typhan and
in the story, Typhen was like

686
01:02:13.079 --> 01:02:19.440
Zeus's greatest adversary because Typhen was unable
to be killed by thunderbolts. So Zeus

687
01:02:19.559 --> 01:02:24.480
is throwing thunderbolts at Typhen. I'm
arguing that Typhen is O Fucus. Just

688
01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:30.239
like in the Pilot's combat Agot,
the figure associated with Hercules was fighting a

689
01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:37.480
figure associated with O Fucus. This
monster Typhen. He has a human torso

690
01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:44.440
and then snaky legs. Well,
that's O Fucus. And if you look

691
01:02:44.480 --> 01:02:47.880
at the constellation of Fucus. I've
got it on the screen for people who

692
01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:52.519
are able to watch the video,
but I'll send you a screenshot of this

693
01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:57.679
too, Cliff. O Fucus is
this constellation with a central body and serpent.

694
01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:01.079
The name O Fucus I mean serpent
holder. It's like he's holding a

695
01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:06.199
serpent. Can you see how he's
got like a snake like on either side

696
01:03:06.199 --> 01:03:07.760
of him or it's a big snake. He's holding it with two hands.

697
01:03:08.840 --> 01:03:12.639
Yeah. Can you kind of see
that on the left side and the right

698
01:03:12.719 --> 01:03:16.480
side of the fucus are these snaky
halves? Well, if you just imagine

699
01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:22.239
that the lower feet aren't there,
you can see how the ancient myths would

700
01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:25.559
say, oh, well, this
could also be something with a central torso

701
01:03:25.960 --> 01:03:30.679
and two snaky legs coming out of
the bottom of the torso. Do you

702
01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:34.639
see that? He sees it on
the screen, and I'll show you.

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01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:40.480
I've labeled them one and two the
serpent halves serpent. Half one is usually

704
01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:45.880
called the tail serpent. Half two
is the serpent's head, and that is

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01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:52.199
the two legs. I've put him
on the of Typhon. Well, in

706
01:03:52.360 --> 01:03:59.559
the myth, Zeus is unable to
defeat typhan so he has to finally defeat

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01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:03.320
tight. He can't kill him with
thunderbolt, so he slams a mountain down

708
01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:11.199
on top of Typhon to imprison Typhon
under the mountain. And according to the

709
01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:15.960
tradition, the mountain that he used
was Mount Etna, which is in Italy.

710
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:19.360
Mount Etna is a volcano, and
every now and then Mount Etna will

711
01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:24.360
rumble, and every now and then
Mount Etna will erupt, and the ancients

712
01:04:24.400 --> 01:04:27.440
would say, well, that's Typhon
down there. You see, Zeus couldn't

713
01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:30.719
kill him, so he had to
trap Typhon under a mountain. But Typhon

714
01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:33.880
every now and then, lets you
know that he's not dead. He rumbles

715
01:04:33.920 --> 01:04:41.559
around and spews out fire. So
Mount Etna to this day erupts and Mount

716
01:04:41.639 --> 01:04:45.000
Etna so Ofucus. Can you see
how it looks almost like a mountain on

717
01:04:45.159 --> 01:04:48.280
top. You see how there's a
triangle on top of the figure of Osfucus.

718
01:04:48.639 --> 01:04:56.159
Yeah, so that's that's a This
myth is based on these constellations.

719
01:04:56.239 --> 01:04:59.199
So you asked, well, what
what is this myth? Well, it

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01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:05.119
takes different forms around the world.
Hercules, the hero Hercules, he fights,

721
01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:12.280
Well, he does all these different
labors, the twelve labors of Hercules.

722
01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:15.920
One of them is to fight the
hydra. Who is this nine headed

723
01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:20.519
serpent? That's actually the constellation below
a Fucus. I haven't outlined it here,

724
01:05:20.599 --> 01:05:25.280
but I outlined it on a difference
slide. That's the constellation Scorpio.

725
01:05:26.599 --> 01:05:29.840
I know Scorpio. We would think, well that's a scorpion, yes,

726
01:05:29.960 --> 01:05:33.440
but sometimes Scorpio plays a serpent with
multiple heads and I could show you why.

727
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:39.960
But what I'm saying is you ask
what myth? Well, many many

728
01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:45.519
myths use these same constellations, but
in creative in different ways. Does that

729
01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:47.800
kind of answer your question? Yeah, So like in the in the Zeus

730
01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:54.239
myth with Typhon. It's that in
the myth, the same constellation of Hercules

731
01:05:54.280 --> 01:06:00.199
plays the role of the Norse god
four instead of having a thunderbolt as a

732
01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:05.679
thunder hammer, and he goes fishing
from the Midguard serpent and pulls the midguard

733
01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:11.679
serpent up out of the ocean.
That's another myth based on the same pattern.

734
01:06:12.239 --> 01:06:15.239
And Thor has the same characteristics as
Zeus. He's a thunder god.

735
01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:19.280
He likes to party. He's pretty
jolly, but when he gets angry,

736
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he you know, you don't want
to get the thunder god mad. So

737
01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:29.440
Zeus has a short temper, Thor
has a short temper. These thunder gods

738
01:06:29.480 --> 01:06:34.039
have a short temper. Anyway,
there's a lot of myths based on it.

739
01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:40.800
It's it's shows up around the world. There's there's thunder god's mountain gods.

740
01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:45.679
In Japan, there's one called Zao
gon Gen and I show zau gon

741
01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:49.679
Gen is in that same posture and
he has a thunderbolt weapon. So I

742
01:06:54.000 --> 01:07:00.239
are are these are these early gods
because you're showing classical Greek, But are

743
01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:06.800
they following and early people? Is
there a representation? I mean this philos

744
01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:13.960
Agat likely is older than fifteen hundred
BC. Maybe it's a couple of thousand

745
01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:18.719
or two or three thousand plus BC. We don't know, right because we

746
01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:23.000
can't date that's right. All we
know is that it was sealed up in

747
01:07:23.119 --> 01:07:28.400
a tomb no later than fifteen hundred
So if the tomb was sealed in fifteen

748
01:07:28.519 --> 01:07:31.840
hundred BC, so that's three thousand, five hundred years ago. It was

749
01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:35.480
sealed up then, But we don't
know when it was made. It could

750
01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:39.880
have been made the day before they
put it in the tomb, or it

751
01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:42.719
could have been made ten thousand years
before they put it in the tomb.

752
01:07:43.239 --> 01:07:47.039
We just don't know. But it's
pretty amazing. It is. It's pretty

753
01:07:47.079 --> 01:07:51.480
astonishing. And the fact that it's
based on this the artwork, you know,

754
01:07:51.559 --> 01:07:55.400
when it came out in twenty seventeen, I looked, took one look

755
01:07:55.440 --> 01:07:59.960
at it and said, this is
based on the stars. I've written about

756
01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:04.360
this. I published this before.
Let me show you one other scene that

757
01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:11.519
I had written about this many times
before The Pilot's Combat even came out.

758
01:08:11.639 --> 01:08:18.119
I was talking about this, this
story from the Bible. This is the

759
01:08:18.239 --> 01:08:24.760
story of the judgment of Solomon.
These are artists depictions of the judgment of

760
01:08:25.039 --> 01:08:29.640
Solomon. I don't know if you
remember this story Solomon. You know,

761
01:08:29.760 --> 01:08:33.479
these two would come to Solomon and
they they're actually too hard. How they're

762
01:08:33.520 --> 01:08:38.640
described in the King James version of
Prostitutes. They both have a baby three

763
01:08:38.720 --> 01:08:42.560
days apart from another, but one
of them the baby dies. And then

764
01:08:42.600 --> 01:08:46.079
they come to the king and one
says, hey, this dead baby,

765
01:08:46.560 --> 01:08:51.279
it's not mine. She switched it. It's her. She she she lay

766
01:08:51.319 --> 01:08:55.279
on her baby at night by accident
and smothered it and it died. And

767
01:08:55.319 --> 01:08:58.840
then she gave her baby to me. And the other one said that baby's

768
01:08:58.880 --> 01:09:03.119
mine, one of mine. She's
the one. And King says, I

769
01:09:03.199 --> 01:09:06.960
don't resolve this problem. Says to
a swordsman. They pick up a sword

770
01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:11.359
and chuck in half and will give
one half to each other, and then

771
01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:13.760
the mother's one mother says no,
no, no, don't do that.

772
01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:15.680
Give it to her, and the
other one says, yeah, cut it

773
01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:19.039
in half, and Dolman says,
okay, get it to the one who

774
01:09:19.079 --> 01:09:24.399
says kill that that's obviously her baby. But it's in the Bible. It's

775
01:09:24.439 --> 01:09:30.039
in the Book of First King,
and the Bible doesn't have pictures. The

776
01:09:30.119 --> 01:09:33.359
Bible describes it as a you know, as a myth or as a story.

777
01:09:33.680 --> 01:09:38.399
It doesn't come with pictures because sometimes
people say, hey, you're just

778
01:09:38.520 --> 01:09:42.680
showing a bunch of ancient art that
doesn't prove you know, that could have

779
01:09:42.760 --> 01:09:46.720
been later will know the texts themselves
already. What I'm trying to point out

780
01:09:46.800 --> 01:09:54.399
is you can just read the Mahabharata
even without any pictures from ancient India,

781
01:09:54.920 --> 01:09:58.279
and I show how it's based on
the start. You can read the stories

782
01:09:58.319 --> 01:10:01.840
in the Bible and show how they're
based on the stars, the swords who's

783
01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:05.760
going to cut the baby in half? And you can see in the artwork

784
01:10:06.279 --> 01:10:13.239
the baby is always shown arching very
very strongly. See the arching baby.

785
01:10:14.199 --> 01:10:17.039
The one on the left is eighteen
hundreds. The earlier one right is from

786
01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:24.359
Raphael, the famous paint of Raphael. See how the baby arching that the

787
01:10:24.399 --> 01:10:29.399
swordsman is holding. Yeah, that
really strong arch. Here's one more I'll

788
01:10:29.439 --> 01:10:33.960
show from the seventeen hundred. See
how the baby is arching. The swordsman

789
01:10:34.640 --> 01:10:40.159
is leaning forward with the sword over
his back, and the baby is arching.

790
01:10:41.279 --> 01:10:44.680
Well, I had already written about
this and said this is based on

791
01:10:44.800 --> 01:10:46.439
the stars. Let's go back to
the Pilots tomb that I get real quick,

792
01:10:46.479 --> 01:10:51.000
and i'll show you i'm talking about. We'll close the loop and finish

793
01:10:51.119 --> 01:11:00.560
up here. Here's the stars,
here's Hercules outline. Below is the fucus.

794
01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:14.680
Below the fucus is Scorpio and Sagittarius. And I think in this case

795
01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:17.279
the man lying on the ground has
characteristics of Sagittarius, but we won't go

796
01:11:17.319 --> 01:11:21.359
into that. When I want to
point out his arm is in a position

797
01:11:21.479 --> 01:11:25.920
that corresponds with Sagittarius. If we
have time, I could get into that.

798
01:11:26.079 --> 01:11:30.000
But look up here. What I've
circled the second circle that I just

799
01:11:30.079 --> 01:11:35.119
put on there is the swordsman is
grasping this arc shaped crust. You see

800
01:11:35.159 --> 01:11:39.319
it in that circle. I talk
about it in the video. Right in

801
01:11:39.439 --> 01:11:46.199
front of Hercules is this coustillation I've
just outlined it all Corona borealis, or

802
01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:53.079
in English, the Northern Crown.
It's beautiful arc shaped constellation. You can

803
01:11:53.119 --> 01:11:56.560
see it in the night sky.
It's actually quite easy to see the Northern

804
01:11:56.600 --> 01:12:01.880
Crown if you know where to look. And you can imagine Hercules reaching out

805
01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:06.000
the constellation I'm talking about reaching out
to grasp the Northern Crown. I've drawn

806
01:12:06.039 --> 01:12:13.439
a little dotted line there on the
screen. The ancients obviously envisioned the constellation

807
01:12:13.560 --> 01:12:17.119
Hercules sometimes grasping the Northern Crown,
because they show it in artwork or they

808
01:12:17.199 --> 01:12:23.760
talk about it in myth. That's
the crest that the swordsman is grasping,

809
01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:30.159
and that's a that's a key detail
because it means this isn't just the posture

810
01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:38.600
that some that that we humans with
our anatomy take, because someone could say,

811
01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:41.720
well, you're you're that's a long
thretch to say that this is based

812
01:12:41.760 --> 01:12:46.000
on Hercules. Well it would be, except that got supporting evidence. The

813
01:12:46.119 --> 01:12:50.920
Northern Crown is right there. And
look this guy grasping a crest right where

814
01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:57.159
the Northern crown would be. You
see that. And also the swordsman has

815
01:12:57.239 --> 01:13:00.439
this scabbard sticking up from his hip
right there that I put a white arrow

816
01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:08.640
there, And at the tip of
the scabbard is this ball shaped knob on

817
01:13:08.720 --> 01:13:13.000
the end of his sword sticking out. I'll circle it. Right there in

818
01:13:13.159 --> 01:13:17.399
the night sky, there's a very
bright star above the hip of Hercules right

819
01:13:18.079 --> 01:13:24.920
there. I'm just wow. Called
the star big. So there's no doubt

820
01:13:24.960 --> 01:13:28.880
in my mind that this, you
know, I've there's no there was no

821
01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:31.359
doubt in my mind. But I've
got evidence that I can show, like

822
01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:35.000
I've seen this enough to we know
this is celestial. But if I'm showing

823
01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:41.560
this to some university professor who's trying
to argue against it, there's just too

824
01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:45.399
much evidence. And I can show
that going on around the world. Here's

825
01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:49.800
Hercules from a vase from about five
hundred and thirty BC. Much later,

826
01:13:50.239 --> 01:13:55.960
but he's got the same reaching out
for a crest right there, and he's

827
01:13:55.960 --> 01:13:59.359
got this little lion's tail with a
little tuft on the end of it.

828
01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:06.560
You see it's And I can go
across well with Egypt the knarthout he got,

829
01:14:09.079 --> 01:14:12.319
you know, that's thirty two hundred
BC. But I can go across

830
01:14:12.359 --> 01:14:15.920
the ocean to the Maya. And
let me go to this piece, this

831
01:14:16.119 --> 01:14:27.720
artifact here with this god chalk he's
got he's brandishing his acts on. I'll

832
01:14:27.760 --> 01:14:30.359
skip through all this text over here. This is in the that museum in

833
01:14:30.439 --> 01:14:32.000
New York City. People can go
ask to look at it. I don't

834
01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:35.520
think it's on display right now.
But he's out his hand is reaching out

835
01:14:35.600 --> 01:14:43.920
to grasp this disc which is again
in the proper position for the Northern Crown,

836
01:14:44.840 --> 01:14:47.760
just like in the night sky,
just like in the pilot's combat agat.

837
01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:54.520
Can you see the where the crown, where the northern town is.

838
01:14:54.840 --> 01:15:00.239
Yeah, And I can even look
at the I've I've superimposed without doing any

839
01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:04.279
alteration. There's no soda shopping going
on here. That's the stars of Hercules

840
01:15:04.760 --> 01:15:13.520
superimposed with the outline of Choc and
the ancient artist who depicts Chalk has him

841
01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:16.920
in the posture of Hercules where the
legs match up almost perfectly. You see

842
01:15:16.960 --> 01:15:25.479
that, yep, and and the
northern crown in front of Hercules. It's

843
01:15:25.640 --> 01:15:31.239
right where that disc that Chalk is
grasping is right there. Yeah. Chalk

844
01:15:31.399 --> 01:15:35.039
even has this tuft on the end
of it. He's got like a a

845
01:15:35.920 --> 01:15:42.760
waistband or something where there's a tuft. There's a tail sticking out of his

846
01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:45.800
waistband with a tuft on the end, right in the proper position for the

847
01:15:45.880 --> 01:15:50.600
star Vega in the constellation Lira,
right above the hip of Hercules. So

848
01:15:50.680 --> 01:16:00.279
this is across the oceans. It's
just clear evidence that the system. So

849
01:16:01.079 --> 01:16:06.159
as we conclude, Dave, what
would you say are the the attributes of

850
01:16:06.239 --> 01:16:14.640
this mother culture. Some people say
that they were maritime, that Atlantis,

851
01:16:14.760 --> 01:16:20.680
Lemoria, Pangaea. This is the
These are the people who, after the

852
01:16:20.760 --> 01:16:25.760
great devastation, created go Beckley Teppe, which is dated at twelve thousan,

853
01:16:25.840 --> 01:16:31.079
five hundred years ago. This is
such it's so confusing. But I'm just

854
01:16:31.199 --> 01:16:39.800
curious about your thinking, your thoughts
on who this mother culture was and how

855
01:16:39.880 --> 01:16:42.720
far back do you think they went. I mean, if we look at

856
01:16:42.760 --> 01:16:45.720
Michael Krimo, is it a million
year old culture? Where are their buildings?

857
01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:49.600
I mean, there's so much confusion. We could spend another hour talking

858
01:16:49.640 --> 01:16:57.560
about Number one, the reuse of
buildings by the pharaohs, the reuse of

859
01:16:57.760 --> 01:17:04.720
artifacts and putting cartouches on existing statues
that were probably thousands of years before these

860
01:17:04.760 --> 01:17:09.840
pharaohs even showed up, but they
were their eagles were so big they decided

861
01:17:09.880 --> 01:17:14.800
to put their cartoonshe on a beautiful
statue because they liked the idea of it

862
01:17:14.920 --> 01:17:19.319
being associated with their dynasty. But
talk a little bit about your thinking as

863
01:17:19.359 --> 01:17:24.680
we conclude. Yeah, thanks,
Cliff, those are some great points,

864
01:17:24.720 --> 01:17:29.159
and I'm glad you brought up go
Beckley Tepee, which you know is a

865
01:17:29.520 --> 01:17:32.800
very important site because for the first
time, you know, we have some

866
01:17:33.079 --> 01:17:42.920
undeniable evidence of I believe if you
radio carbon date the material that it's buried

867
01:17:43.079 --> 01:17:46.079
under, so it was deliberately buried, which you know Robert Schak has said,

868
01:17:46.199 --> 01:17:49.640
it's almost more work to bury it
than it was to carve those stones

869
01:17:49.680 --> 01:17:55.199
in the first place, because it's
it covers acres and acres of it's enormous.

870
01:17:55.239 --> 01:18:02.279
It's only been a tiny bit has
only been uncovered. But ten thousand,

871
01:18:02.359 --> 01:18:09.079
five hundred I think it's bury no
later than nine thousand or eight thousand,

872
01:18:09.159 --> 01:18:12.239
five hundred BC, which would be
ten thousand, five hundred years ago,

873
01:18:12.319 --> 01:18:16.960
which would be still extremely ancient.
So if we the conventional Egyptologists say

874
01:18:18.159 --> 01:18:23.199
the Pyramids, the States two thousand, four hundred, two thousand, five

875
01:18:23.319 --> 01:18:27.960
hundred BC, Okay, let's just
grant them that, even though I think

876
01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:31.279
it's much I think the Sphinx is
literarly much older, probably the Pyramids too,

877
01:18:31.800 --> 01:18:35.760
Certainly the Osirian and some of the
Valley Temple, some of the megalithic

878
01:18:35.800 --> 01:18:41.399
stuff much older. But if conventional, if the conventional guys are right,

879
01:18:41.439 --> 01:18:45.039
two thousand, five hundred, three
thousand BC, for the ancient Egyptians.

880
01:18:45.359 --> 01:18:48.520
Think how far back that it is
from us? Here in New Year twenty

881
01:18:48.640 --> 01:18:55.000
twenty four, exact two thousand years
plus three thousand years five thousand years ago

882
01:18:55.159 --> 01:18:58.960
roughly, let's say four thousand,
five thousand years ago. Well, if

883
01:18:59.039 --> 01:19:03.279
Go Beckley Tepe was buried in eight
thousand, five hundred or nine thousand BC,

884
01:19:03.439 --> 01:19:09.199
let's say eight thousand, five hundred, and let's using the Egyptologists who

885
01:19:09.279 --> 01:19:14.119
I disagree with two thousand, five
hundred for Egypt to eight thousand, five

886
01:19:14.199 --> 01:19:19.880
hundred. That's six thousand years before
ancient Egypt. Go Beckley Tepee is six

887
01:19:20.359 --> 01:19:29.079
thousand years before the conventionally accepted Old
Kingdom of Egypt, right, And the

888
01:19:29.159 --> 01:19:32.239
Old Kingdom of Egypt is only four
thousand, five hundred years before us.

889
01:19:32.600 --> 01:19:39.279
Like, Go Beckley Teppe is more
ancient to the Old Kingdom of Egypt than

890
01:19:39.319 --> 01:19:42.680
the Old Kingdom of Egypt is to
us. We're closer for the Old Kingdom

891
01:19:42.680 --> 01:19:45.760
of Egypt than they are to Go
Beckley Teppe. That is mind blowing.

892
01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:53.159
Actually, when you think about it, what was that deep ancient culture that

893
01:19:53.399 --> 01:20:00.680
created these monuments and myths like Again, the honest answer is we don't know,

894
01:20:00.880 --> 01:20:04.239
because I don't even think the ancient
Egyptians knew. I think all the

895
01:20:04.359 --> 01:20:11.359
ancient cultures that we think of as
ancient are near ancient, and they looked

896
01:20:11.439 --> 01:20:15.159
back to that deep ancient with one
and maybe they didn't even know what the

897
01:20:15.239 --> 01:20:20.439
myths were about. But I will
say, although we don't know for sure,

898
01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:29.119
these myths are profound. These myths
do talk about an invisible realm,

899
01:20:29.199 --> 01:20:33.760
the realm of the gods. I
believe it shows a culture of or cultures.

900
01:20:33.920 --> 01:20:38.079
Could have been many cultures. It
could have been one monolithic on the

901
01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:41.479
world culture. I don't know.
It could have been multiple, but they

902
01:20:41.560 --> 01:20:48.399
were sophisticated, both technologically and spiritually. I think those myths can be shown

903
01:20:50.600 --> 01:21:00.760
to have remedies for the problems of
civilization. What do I mean, like

904
01:21:02.359 --> 01:21:09.439
the problems of bad government, the
problems of you know, oppression and exploitation

905
01:21:09.800 --> 01:21:15.159
and oligarchy and you know enslavement and
impoverishment. The myths actually deal with those

906
01:21:15.199 --> 01:21:18.199
things and say, hey, this
is a danger, watch out for,

907
01:21:18.399 --> 01:21:25.760
oligarchy, watch out for and the
myths depict this. They also show on

908
01:21:25.880 --> 01:21:32.039
a personal level, the danger of
becoming actually I like to say, separated

909
01:21:32.119 --> 01:21:36.199
from yourself. But there are psychologists
who talk about trauma as a loss of

910
01:21:36.279 --> 01:21:41.399
your own self. Like. There's
a lot of myths that have twins.

911
01:21:41.479 --> 01:21:46.239
You mentioned the hero twins of is
Balanki and Kunapu of the Maya popol Vu.

912
01:21:46.600 --> 01:21:50.199
The hero twins they go down to
the underworld, which is also a

913
01:21:50.279 --> 01:21:55.399
pattern we see in you know,
this just goes down to the underworld.

914
01:21:55.600 --> 01:21:59.279
Orpheus goes down to the underworld.
Inana of Ancient Summer goes down to the

915
01:21:59.359 --> 01:22:05.600
underworld. These patterns around the world, there's often twins. There's twins Castor

916
01:22:05.680 --> 01:22:10.920
and Polyx. Hercules even has a
twin brother named Ifocles. There's twins in

917
01:22:11.079 --> 01:22:15.800
India. There's twins everywhere. What
are the twins? Yogameshan and n key

918
01:22:15.880 --> 01:22:20.520
Do are kind of twins. The
twins are actually our our own self,

919
01:22:20.760 --> 01:22:28.239
like becoming reintegrated with who we are. As don't have time to explain it

920
01:22:28.279 --> 01:22:31.840
all. But I believe in answer
to your question, what were they like,

921
01:22:32.359 --> 01:22:38.079
I believe they were spiritually sophisticated and
profound and they said, on an

922
01:22:38.119 --> 01:22:42.560
individual level, here's what you need. On a societal level, here's what

923
01:22:42.720 --> 01:22:48.479
you need. And their answers were
quite beautiful. Profound in theory. It's

924
01:22:48.600 --> 01:22:55.039
like the ancients revered this ancient withsdom, the ancient cultures, they all said,

925
01:22:55.079 --> 01:22:58.720
yeah, we have to live in
accordance with the universe, with the

926
01:22:58.920 --> 01:23:02.159
way of the gods. Or in
China, the Doo, the the outed

927
01:23:02.279 --> 01:23:06.159
jing. I've shown that that's also
based on the stars. The Doo is

928
01:23:06.319 --> 01:23:10.479
like this is like the duot,
it's like the invisible realm. But it's

929
01:23:10.600 --> 01:23:12.960
like the way of the universe.
And if you try and go against it,

930
01:23:13.640 --> 01:23:16.840
it's kind of like trying to swim
upstream. Or if you're a surfer,

931
01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:20.600
it's like trying to surf when there's
not a wave, or it's trying

932
01:23:20.640 --> 01:23:24.239
to battle the waves. The waves
are going to win. You've got to

933
01:23:24.279 --> 01:23:27.479
go in. You've got to go
with the flow of the waves. If

934
01:23:27.520 --> 01:23:30.279
you try and like the wave,
you're just gonna you know, is a

935
01:23:30.319 --> 01:23:35.359
great surfer because he's with the way. We were only using incremental portions of

936
01:23:35.439 --> 01:23:41.279
these this wisdom here and there.
I mean, I follow I've been meditating

937
01:23:41.359 --> 01:23:47.239
for thirty years because I was attracted
to the Indian philosophy of meditation. And

938
01:23:47.399 --> 01:23:55.000
then there's yoga and taichi, these
ancient systems of wellness are thousands and thousands

939
01:23:55.039 --> 01:23:59.920
of years old, but what you're
saying is true. Some of these wisdom

940
01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:05.439
keepers have been trying to pass thoughts
down about government, about treating your neighbor

941
01:24:05.520 --> 01:24:11.520
in a certain way, and without
getting into the Bible, it's kind of

942
01:24:11.600 --> 01:24:17.279
repeated in the Bible. But we
need more than just religious philosophy to really

943
01:24:17.399 --> 01:24:20.840
have an idea what's going on with
our society. Dave, this has been

944
01:24:21.800 --> 01:24:28.520
a great hour plus with you.
Give us your website and let us know

945
01:24:28.600 --> 01:24:30.239
what you're up to. If you've
got a book coming out when you're gonna

946
01:24:30.239 --> 01:24:36.680
be speaking next give us to Dave
mathieson story. Yeah, thanks so much.

947
01:24:36.720 --> 01:24:44.279
Cliff. You can find all my
work at undyingstars dot com undyingstars dot

948
01:24:44.399 --> 01:24:48.439
com and there I've got you know, links to resources like if you want

949
01:24:48.520 --> 01:24:54.760
to find the books, if you
want to take online courses, I will

950
01:24:54.840 --> 01:25:00.199
be We're planning a trip to Egypt
in November this year of this year,

951
01:25:00.640 --> 01:25:08.039
Yeah, with myself and Patricia al
Jon Lehman, who lives in Egypt and

952
01:25:09.079 --> 01:25:14.119
has been leading tours there for years
and knows so much about Egypt. And

953
01:25:15.920 --> 01:25:20.920
Patricia and also my partner Cassenya Moore, who's an astrologer, will be doing

954
01:25:21.000 --> 01:25:27.680
a Stars over at Egypt tour in
November. So there's links to links to

955
01:25:27.800 --> 01:25:30.960
express interest if you want to go
to that. And yeah, working on

956
01:25:31.560 --> 01:25:36.079
I'm always working on a new book, Cliff, Yeah, so excellent.

957
01:25:36.239 --> 01:25:40.800
I am working on a new book. So there's a lot going on,

958
01:25:41.319 --> 01:25:44.800
and it's just you know, this
is such an exciting subject. I love

959
01:25:44.880 --> 01:25:47.199
sharing it, so thanks so much. What you're doing is important, getting

960
01:25:47.279 --> 01:25:53.720
the getting the information out for people
to consider and explore it for themselves.

961
01:25:54.239 --> 01:25:59.600
As we've been talking about, there's
just so much out there that expands our

962
01:25:59.680 --> 01:26:04.119
parent on. I do think that
the old paradigms are starting to crack in

963
01:26:04.199 --> 01:26:09.600
the face of all this evidence.
The evidence around the world is just like

964
01:26:09.720 --> 01:26:14.319
a flood that's starting to crack through
the dam. So as we close,

965
01:26:14.439 --> 01:26:19.880
Dave, give us a give us
your thoughts on that subject. One paradigm

966
01:26:20.119 --> 01:26:26.640
ending a new what's the new paradigm
look like? Do you think what are

967
01:26:26.720 --> 01:26:29.239
some of the what are some of
the what are some of the hints of

968
01:26:30.319 --> 01:26:33.720
you know, because I think wellness
is a big one. People are rejecting

969
01:26:33.800 --> 01:26:41.880
allopathic medicine where you're being drugged and
opened up surgically and kind of looking towards

970
01:26:42.119 --> 01:26:47.399
more holistic herbs, homeopathic remedies,
exercise, stuff like that. But what

971
01:26:47.680 --> 01:26:53.680
do you say, is kind of
the new paradigm points give us, give

972
01:26:53.760 --> 01:27:00.600
us an idea. Wow, that's
great. You know, I do believe

973
01:27:00.760 --> 01:27:06.920
that much of Western history has involved
the suppression of this ancient wisdom. You

974
01:27:08.000 --> 01:27:12.880
know, the Bible is based on
the stars and has profound things to tell

975
01:27:12.960 --> 01:27:20.760
us, but it's been used to
excuse conquests and colonizations and separation of people.

976
01:27:20.880 --> 01:27:27.239
Oh, I'm right and you're wrong. But that whole paradigm is trumbling

977
01:27:27.359 --> 01:27:33.079
right now and the world is rearranging, and I hope that it will be

978
01:27:33.600 --> 01:27:40.760
an age of more. Look,
these ancient myths were given to every culture

979
01:27:40.840 --> 01:27:45.560
around the world for our benefit,
and they were revered all culture. You

980
01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:49.319
know, the Native Americans have their
ancient sacred stories, the Maya, the

981
01:27:49.560 --> 01:27:56.640
Greeks, they were all revered and
by those cultures that they treasured them.

982
01:27:57.119 --> 01:28:00.880
This is like a profound treasure for
us, with so much to teach us

983
01:28:00.520 --> 01:28:06.079
that I hope that we can realize
this isn't just for ancient this is for

984
01:28:06.359 --> 01:28:13.640
us. We need it. It
had it Like you said, tai Chi,

985
01:28:14.560 --> 01:28:20.760
why wouldn't we want to tap into
those ancient traditions that are so beneficial

986
01:28:20.800 --> 01:28:26.319
and have such positive impacts on our
life. The myths are full of this

987
01:28:26.520 --> 01:28:30.720
ancient wisdom that someone was trying to
give to us. Why would we not

988
01:28:30.039 --> 01:28:33.279
want to go to them and learn
from them? And That's what I'm trying

989
01:28:33.279 --> 01:28:38.800
to point people towards. And so
this future. You know, we could

990
01:28:38.800 --> 01:28:41.840
always be on the brink of a
new dark age, but I hope we're

991
01:28:41.920 --> 01:28:45.880
on the brink of not a new
dark age. Let's move towards more of

992
01:28:45.920 --> 01:28:50.159
a golden age. Dave a pleasure
of speaking with you, and continue success

993
01:28:50.920 --> 01:28:56.039
and thanks for your time. I
really appreciate it. Thank you to Cliff,

994
01:28:56.119 --> 01:29:04.119
thanks for what you do, and
thanks for having me on. I

995
01:29:04.600 --> 01:29:13.079
fail to mention that I have spoken
about the tour to Easter Island previously and

996
01:29:14.039 --> 01:29:18.279
that was not great because now we
have about thirty people that are on a

997
01:29:18.439 --> 01:29:23.960
list, and actually more than thirty, and if everybody on that list says

998
01:29:24.079 --> 01:29:29.079
yes, I'm gonna be I want
to go, that's going to be stretching

999
01:29:29.159 --> 01:29:31.359
us a bit. I don't think
everybody on that list will be you know,

1000
01:29:31.560 --> 01:29:38.680
locked in. So if you're interested
in Easter Island and you want to

1001
01:29:38.760 --> 01:29:41.760
go and you have questions, send
me an email. Send it to Earth

1002
01:29:41.840 --> 01:29:45.119
Ancients the number four of the letter
you at gmail dot com. If you

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have any questions whatsoever. The itinerary
is gonna be up shortly, but I

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can send you the actual finished itinerary
that Ed just sent me a couple of

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days ago, and it has all
the details. It's a one week tour.

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It's intents. You have to fly
into Chili, San Diego. Chili

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is the capital. We do overnight
there, we rest, we recuperate,

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we have some food, and then
we fly right into Easter Island for a

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one week excursion. And I got
to tell you, if you look at

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the itinerary, it's it's fabulous.
These sculptures which run into you know,

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a thousand sculptures. We see the
different sizes, We get the chance to

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go to the different there's a couple
of different quarries, there's different language museums.

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It's a real blast. I've been
wanting to go for years. It's

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the ones in a lifetime deal,
flat out, it's ones I'll never go

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again. But if you can join
me, come on along. It's a

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reasonably priced tour and send me an
email said earth Ancents for you at gmail

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dot com. I'll send you the
current itinerary. It's not up on our

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page yet Earth Agents dot com Forward
Slash Tours. It's still being kept low

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key. We're just announcing it now. It's going to be dialed up very

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very so soon. And if you
have any interest in Easter Island, send

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me an email. I'll send you
that terrory and you'll be set. Yeah,

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and it's fun. And oh,
by the way, Ed's going to

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be doing a special interview probably just
before November on Easter Island. He has

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done some significant surveys there and uncovered
some very unusual features to the island,

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the Maai, which are the big
sculptures, the big monstrosity, the megalic

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sculptures. And he'll be giving an
a lecture, but he's also going to

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give a talk. He's going to
do an interview with me, I should

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say, just before the beginning of
November of twenty twenty four, that is

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this year. So hey, if
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That's a gift. We have unpublished
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that's it for this program. I
want to thank my guest today, Dave

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mathieson coming to us from Australia.
As always the team of Gail tour Mark

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Foster and everyone who makes this thing
happen. You guys rock all right,

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take care, be well and we
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