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Hello everyone, and welcome. It's
Saturday Night, episode fifty five. That's

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confusing because it's not now and this
doesn't go up. This has nothing.

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Saturday's the furthest day of the week. From anything associated with this, you

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don't know when people are listening to
this, Mike, How do you know

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when something's a twisty not a quirky
thing. I looked at this and I

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confidently thought I'm holding a wine bottle, and I thought, oh, that's

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a twist oop. I don't need
the hardware. General rule of thumb is

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that the quark bottles have a cork
in them, and then the twist up.

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Yeah, that's the thing, Like, look, there's no quirk Do

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you see a cork there? Video
gott He explained that he was holding a

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wine bottle and it was a cork
or a twisty, you know what I

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mean. The video patrons are getting
this hot video content now with me showing

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up generally speaking that I can tell
from a distance that's a twist a twist

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off, like it's it's twisted and
I do I have to I it might

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have a thing that I have to
cut off. This is twist offs would

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not have a label over the top. Are you sure because it gets out

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a sword? Am I just weak? Hang on? Here? Yeah,

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here we go. I've got a
hardware for what. Oh look at that?

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Yeah? Why are you so impressed? You just twisted off a cap?

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Because everybody does that. It seemed
like it wasn't a twist. This

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is this is just oh man,
good radio. Still, it's all downhill

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from here. We're here. We're
halfway to one hundred ten episodes, big

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milestone. I'm gonna say that every
time. I'm just gonna double the episode

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from here on, I would say
we're halfway. Um, we've been playing

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a lot of Zelda. We'll get
to that later, or at least we've

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started playing Zelda. Um, that's
some of us just started. I don't

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like that you do that when the
when the wine's dripping down the side that

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you like, just suck on the
actual boble. What is the what is

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the alternative, mister wine? Because
okay, I went to a wine bar

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with you once and I complained about
this at the wine bar and you were

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like, oh, what, I
can't stuck on the bottle at a wine

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store. No, it was at
a wine bar with all these fancy people

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that can't suck on my own wine. Yeah, so you told me,

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it's like no, no, no, no, Look, it's supposed to

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happen that way. Look at this
bottle that the like fancy wine guy was

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pouring and it like it was like
the label was all stained and the menu

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had drops on it, and he
was just like, yeah, that's how

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wine goes. And it's like,
I don't want to just drip bullshit all

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over myself in my chair a man
of taste in class, it's it's like,

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gentleman that you're doing it because you're
the only one drinking from it.

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But generally speaking, I would say, like, at the very least,

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use your finger to wipe it up. In them link but a lot of

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them have the white cloth around it. But some people tie. Gentleman uses

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the finger and the animal uses his
tongue. And I've been both a gentleman

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and an animal before. If you're
holding a glass and a bottle, how

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are you supposed to wipe it off
with a finger? Um, I don't

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know. Set the bottle down,
then run your finger up the side.

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It's your bottle of wine. You're
going with drinking. It's fine. It's

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just it's very suggestive when you do
it. What do you mean by that?

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It looks like you're your O'Keefe podcast. I've ever heard you say,

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Georgio O'Keefe, I'm suckling on a
panini? Is that what you mean by

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asking a suckling is also suck?
When was the last time you suckle pani?

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Oh dude, I'll suckle a panini
so hard your face. I'll do

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it, and I'll do it right
in front of your face. That's next

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week. This is a great episode
so far. Um. Yeah, I

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don't know. Like some people tie
napkins like in a bow thing around it

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just to catch the drip. That
seems like a lot. Did I would

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say? When I go to a
fancy restaurant, which is not very often,

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and somebody orders wine for the table, which is not very often,

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the guy always has a like a
napkin around his arm, and after he

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pours, he places the bottle tip
on his arm to catch the drib to

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catch the dribble. And I know
that that's something fancy people do, but

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it's not like I always keep a
napkin on my arm. Am I supposed

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to have a forearm? Napkin when
I'm podcast with you, guys, only

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if you're serving a table of eight. Okay, so people just wrapped the

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cloth around the bottle. Okay,
yeah, I have a special wine hanky.

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I don't either. Handkerchiefs have always
grossed me out. Why whoever thought

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that was a good rational thing back
then? But you're just wrap up and

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putting it in your pocket. Yeah, it just wasn't a thing back then.

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You got one piece of cloth and
you sneezed in it or whatever,

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You shoved it in your pocket,
and then you washed it with your you

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know, slacks. I get the
utility. It's just so gross knowing that

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a dude has his boogers in his
pocket. Well, now I don't think

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I say a dude. I don't
think I've seen a woman use a handkerchief.

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I've never seen a person music weren't
allowed to do that or vote back

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in the day. Well, we've
come a long way now you can use

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and vote. We can do it. Never can we can use a handkerchief

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we're walking in put snot in my
pockets. Every time I vote. I

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just want to do it because I
can. You have to have a baby

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if you're in Texas. But you
can use a handkerchief, so it all

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eventriarchy, you know what I mean. Let's get political thoughts on the world

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and country. I mean, I
it seems like there's problems, Dan are

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married? Statement? Am I wrong? Am I wrong? You should run

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for president? And that's your slogan
is it seems like there are problems.

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It seems like I don't make any
promises or know what they are. I

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just it seems like they are.
The vague sense that the world's not perfect

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is your entire platform. There are
people on both sides. Next question,

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Um, but Dan, you seemed
like you were going to go off handkerchiefs.

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Oh yeah. So like if it
was just a sneeze situation, that's

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fine because the sneeze, I think
is like the essence of snot. It's

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not like full on just matter,
Like you're not sneezing matter out of your

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nose something, you know. But
but like boogers, like some people,

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you just get a big old honking
thing there. You're not like if you

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put it on a thing, then
put it in your pocket. That's the

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guy. It's drying, and I'm
sure it's like flight into your pocket.

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Then you got a pocket full of
boogers, Like you're just sneezing in it

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cool, that's fine, it's just
getting a little bit wet and then it's

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gonna be fine. It doesn't even
turn green. But once I think snot

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and straight up boogers or a bit
holier than thou, isn't it like your

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body? No? Okay, just
because someone's eating booger their own boogers doesn't

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make it fine, Like, don't
eat any boogers? What does that come

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from? What is your pocket?
Yeah? But like right, if I

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just picked my nose on camera here
and just put a booger in my pocket,

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that'd be weird, right, to
be horrendous? Yes? Right?

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And why is it just because there's
a middleman involved? Like there's that.

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I guess it's the etiquette. Yeah, I mean most etiquette is just a

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role we agree upon. The middleman
is the most important feature here. If

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you didn't have the middleman, also, Kleenex would be gross if you were

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like blowing your nose and had a
bunch of snot in your hand and then

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through your snot in the trash and
we're like what, I threw it away?

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Like it's not the pocket that's the
issue. It's the fact that you

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guys don't like the fact that you're
keeping it instead of having it be disposable.

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You're right, and again I don't
disagree with the utility of it.

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Well, I don't disagree with the
utility of it. I just don't like

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it the idea what you just said, blowing your nose into your hands,

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And that was the grossest thing I
can imagine right now. It's just no

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barrier, just blowing your nose,
like like when you have a cold straight

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into your hands. So I do
have a bone to pick with that.

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There are a lot of people in
this world that blow their nose in the

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shower, and when you do that, you're blowing your nose into your hand

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and you're in the shower so you
can just rinse it. And I think

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that's gross. I feel like I
need to bring something up in the shower.

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I'll be in the shower. I'll
I'm not getting peel over me.

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I poop in the shower too.
Well, speaking of that, No,

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on that note, that note,
I need to bring something up. Okay,

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some Giant Bomb listeners might know where
I'm going with this. We were

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on the voicemail dump truck a week
or two ago, and one Mike Manati

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aka Mitch Tolkoda. His name is
way too close to mine. Oh yeah,

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he's basically undiscernible. You're the same
person. But anyway, one of

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his friends does a thing in the
shower that he Okay, I'll tell you

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the act first, and then the
gross there. It's gross and weird,

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all right. So the friend the
toilet is next to his shower, and

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his friend will shit into his hand, open up the shower door, and

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he says poop city slam a jama
and slam dunks his poop into the toilet.

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That's I don't don't believe him.
I didn't believe it either, but

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then he was like, no,
no, he's got a video proof and

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it's irrefutable. I would I would
actively not be friends with him. I

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wouldn't be disgusted, Yeah, ido
disgusting. Poop city slam a jama is

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a funny series of words, but
the actual act of shitting into your hand.

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You can say all sorts of funny
things while you're a disgusting human being.

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I still don't both being toilet content
around your bathroom when you slam Dunca

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turred into a that's disgusting. I've
never I don't think I there. I

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don't think my own poop has ever
been on my hands. I know the

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Bible says judge not lest you be
judged, but that I don't like that

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guy. I could learn, so
he could be have, like he could

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win a Nobel Peace Prize. I
would still not like him. We'd bring

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it up. We'd bring it up
in his speech. Yeah, acceptance.

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When I was in college, I
was friends with a bunch of like fraternity

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bros. And we would they were
always like one gross one. I'm always

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gross, always multiple the gross one
in this house, I have a vivid

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like. There was rumors floating about
how weird he was. And one of

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the things that he did was when
they ran out of toilet paper, he

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would shower and then he would go
like take a shit, and instead of

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wiping because there was no toilet paper, he just went right into the shower.

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That's like his system shower. No, he would go and as a

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normal person in the toilet shower because
he couldn't wipe. And I was like,

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that's disgusting, Like, just get
toilet paper like a grown adult.

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And deal with it. And it
was like this thing where he was like,

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I'm clean? Am I not?
And ned is like ten percent of

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what poop slam a Jama. Who
cares? What a freak? Yeah,

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I don't like it. I don't
person. There's so many other options.

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He could get out of the shower, poop in the toilet it and then

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and then finish the shower. The
concept of pooping in your own hand is

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something very well reserved for monkeys that
are in some kind of war. And

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that's like the best ammo they have. For the record, I am not

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defending the poop city slam a Jama
gentleman. I am the messenger here.

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No no, no, no no. Check the tape. It's disgusting,

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it's disgusting and weird. For the
record, I'm just the messenger of the

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poop city Slam of Jama. I
heard this and I was shocked. What

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are pete? What is going on
in people's homes? I think a lot.

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This seems like there are problems children. These two slam a Jamma.

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My dad. So, my dad
has the whole gimmick where he steals toilet

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paper from hotel rooms instead of paying
for it and he's done this forever,

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and so that's fine, that's better
than poop city slam a jam of course,

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of course this is just aren't pomparable, right, No, we're not

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on this good. My dad's doing
cat burglar shit to try to say he's

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bringing in fake like fucking like so
can do the Indiana Jones swap with the

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toilet paper roll He brings in the
used ones, steals the full ones um

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to save some money. And so
he does this all the time and bragged

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about it a lot. So Bonk
Bianca got him for Christmas like three or

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four years ago, just bought him
a big fucking thing of like forty two

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toilet paper rolls. That's fine.
Was it really good? Ply because you

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know he doesn't pay for good ply? Well, it might have been.

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I'm not sure. But the thing
is, every time my dad sees or

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talks to Bianca, the first thing
he always says is like, you know

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what I still have? I still
haven't gone through it all. I still

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have some of that toilet paper.
And like her response is always like cool,

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Like I think his thing is responses
statistically, you should have gone through

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in it by now. This is
weird. I think he's bragging and saying

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like, oh, I use so
little and I'm saving money, I'm not

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using very much of it, and
I'm still stealing the hotel stuff. But

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it's not really a brag. I
don't think he knows that. Well,

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this is I'm putting the dots together. Isn't he the same person that like

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thinks skid marks are affective life?
Yeah, that's this explains it. He

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is he poops slam a jamma.
I know he wouldn't poop city slam a

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jama. My dad's real weird,
but he wouldn't poopity quick correcting me,

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Yeah, it's this the trademark.
Yeah, I don't need to get it

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right, Dan, Look, will
we strive for accuracy and all things on

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this podcast? Um no, my
dad, he's not gross in that way.

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I would say that's good. Yeah, yeah, I'd prefer it that

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he's not. We have a bar
here that we keep amongst peers, friends

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and family, and I think purposely
shitting in your own hand is just a

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line I'm not willing to cross.
Don't tell me if you do it.

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I don't want to know because it's
going to impact our relationship. Yeah,

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but then the slam dunk is like
the most unhygienic thing I ever heard in

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my life. Yeah, I don't. I mean, I'm not. I've

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I've done ill around toilet. So
if he's washing his hands in the shower,

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I bet he's like, I bet
he's like putting shampoo in there and

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is like that's fine. It's the
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I'm just telling you, I feel
like I know that guy. That's a

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guy who like definitely is like it's
clean enough, that's like that when poop's

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involved, Like I like, I
have a very good record of not touching

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poop. Like fine, anyone's I've
never had to change a diaper in my

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life. I don't like, I
think I can go. I could live

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to be eighty something and just never
touch poop. First, you already touched

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poop when as a child. I'm
sure. I'm sure at some point when

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I was fucking one or something,
I like touch my own diaper or something

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like five. You're probably sticking your
hands and some shit. No, I'm

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weird, but I'm not gross in
that way. Children are stupid about being

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weird. They stick their hands and
stuff. They got jam hands all the

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time, I would say, no, way past the age of five.

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Have I interacted? Have I touched
poop? Five is unlikely? Five is

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five is like kindergarten. You should
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I'm just I'm Mary said five.
So I'm saying that I don't think past

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two. Frankly generous. Yeah,
quick, dog poo poo. Absolutely brushed

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dog shit. There's no question I've
picked it up with a bag. With

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a bag, I pick up.
Yeah, don't do poop city slam a

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jamma with your dog shit every day, slam a jamo my dog shit.

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No, I pick it up in
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like, what is that? And
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I've done well. So yeah,
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Really, this is this is all
related. I have a strong stomach

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most of the time. I've actually
been sort of sick lately from like every

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single year I get the bad seasonal
allergies to the point where it actually gives

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me like a hay fever, and
my stomach sort of recovering and between the

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boogers and the poop and the I'm
actually feeling nauseous. We've discussed this before,

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but if you talk about boogers too
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like the one thing that can cause
my tum tum to recoil. But I

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will say, for the record,
if you roll back the tape, the

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first person to say poop on this
podcast was you, Mike, because we

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were talking about peeing in the shower
and say, yeah, no, it's

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just here we are. Let's turn
the around, Mary, Mary, go

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the total throw something out that's the
total opposite of this. My stum,

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make my tummy feel good, Bring
it around, make my tummy feel good?

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Please. Um. I made my
own keylime frosting. Oh that sounds

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delightful, key lime pie delicious,
hygienic, that sounds perfect. I washed

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my hands before I made it.
What'd you make it with? Um?

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So shit made it with my own
pip. How did we get here?

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Family visiting because of a wedding.
My cousin got married this weekend, and

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I thought it would be nice if
I baked some home goods for my fam

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so they could think that I am
really good at my life. And so

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I baked orange. I'm just gonna
say it's a cake, but like,

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don't imagine a nice cake. Imagine
like little buns, but they're made of

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cake material that have like orange in
them. And then I made a keylime

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frosting with cream cheese, and I
was actually pretty proud of it, because

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I'm not a good baker or a
cook. I don't really do that kind

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of stuff very much, and so
every time I do it, it's a

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huge gamble that I'm going to waste
my time and a huge brick of cream

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cheese, not only wasting cream cheese. So I was happy that it came

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out good, and nobody at least
admitted to me or said that they didn't

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think it was very delicious. Everyone
said it was great. Baking's hard.

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Baking's harder than cooking, super hard. It's like science stuff. You know,

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Yeah, you can fix it or
you can wing it, but baking.

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Baking is a science. Is baking
cooking. You are technically like cooking

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it, but it's specifically putting.
Forgot. I looked this up recently.

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Actually with chemical I always assumed cooking
was the catch all for making food and

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heating it up, and it is
but Zelda, Yeah, it is,

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but there's like a when it comes
to baking, it's obviously an oven is

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involved. But I looked this up
recently. Yeah, is it like an

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actual chemical change. You're changing the
structure of something, and that's what baking

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is, which is different. But
what about if I make a hot pocket

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in the oven? Am I not
baking it? No? I guess you're

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like you're heat baking it. You're
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I don't know. I would say
that's a reheat sir. No,

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No, No, frozen I I
always thought I know, But it's already

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been constructed, already heated. No, because you know it's frozen. It's

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never been heated. It's not raw. Why would they heat it before they

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send it out if they're going to
freeze it. Everything in there is cooked,

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yeah, and then cooked first and
then frozen. You're not because they

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can't take the risk that some ding
dong isn't going to take it out of

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the package and eat it raw and
get sick. But they sell chickens raw,

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yeah, but not hot pockets.
Why do you think that is?

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People don't know, probably don't cook
chicken or know how to cook. I

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was about to be offended than I
also don't know how to cook it,

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but I like hot. Because he
got out of a seat. Your face

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went from it infuriated to like,
oh you're you're actually not far off.

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Oh she's right. I'm afraid to
cook chicken, but I've cooked them jillion

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hot pockets in my life. You
can put to roast it. Wait a

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minute, No on the package refrosed
food. Have ever heard that? But

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Totino's party pizza a hot pocket?
Anything? It says options microwave, you

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can do this. Bake bake at
four, so it is baking. The

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verb to bake like specifically means to
heat up in an oven, I believe.

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But like bait. When we say
baking, you know it's more like

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actual using yeast or flour, and
baking is you have to wear the hat.

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The idea is that like you're putting
together substances mostly like you know,

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like liquid stuff butter, eggs and
things like that, but once you've put

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it in the oven, the structure
of the entity actually changes and becomes a

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different substance. It requires an oven. Cooking does not. But you can

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also use an oven to roast something. So being refers to heating raw ingredients

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to change their chemical compound. But
how you heat them is what makes it

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baking. For something to be considered
baked, it must be heated using consistent

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dry heat. Yeah, is baking, So I have you're baking in the

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oven like the verb baking. But
to make it initially, they didn't just

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bake it, like I never thought
about the like making it before you make

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it thing. I just figured it
just like yeah, like hot dogs are

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already mainly like ready to go.
Yeah, yeah, because in case you

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eat it out of the package,
you're chickens, not because it's like it's

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chicken is like clearly raw. Like
no one would eat that. If I

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took a ham and cheddar hot pocket
straight out of the freezer, out of

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the wrapper and just ate it frozen, I'd be fine. I wouldn't get

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salmonella already, you would not get
salmonella. I don't think it would taste

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very good. And I bet you
that they would appreciate that you did not

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do that, but you would not
get sick because they've already cooked it.

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You might get sick from some other
part of the packaging process, but it

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wouldn't be like I don't think it'd
be food there, I agree with Mike.

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So here's the interesting thing during the
packaging process, because you're eating like

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a processed food. Yes, it's
cooked, but you know, like when

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you cook food, it gets rid
of all the bacteria. If you eat

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something frozen, it's really possible that
something in the packaging or traveling part got

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bacteria in the food, and so
you could be ingesting bacteria. But it

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wouldn't be the same as having raw
chicken. It would be you'd be getting

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sick from something else. Something also
can kill similar germs, like it's extreme

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temperatures that salmonella can't survive. I
don't know if freezing would prevent it though,

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So did humans evolve to cook things
because of flavor or because of avoiding

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disease? Probably the latter, So
if it wasn't for the disease factor,

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we're just beating everything cold. I
think like when when humans first invented fire

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and cook some chicken, they were
like, this is going to keep us

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from getting sick, But then they
were like, shit, this tastes delicious.

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And I think it's probably immediately both
because like once you eat roast chicken.

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You don't go back. You don't
go back to raw. Once you've

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had that, it's a lot better
hot. Like But before fire, though,

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do you think they people were just
kind of grinning and burying it and

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like eating cold chickens like not cooked
and getting sick a lot. I don't

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I don't know. I guess most
of that time the meat would have been

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red meat. So yeah, so
what did you kill the cow? Domesticated

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chickens back then? These are good
questions, right because like we're talking way

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back in the day was who knows
what was domesticated back then? These are

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like wooly mammoth times where the so
question about red meat versus like chicken,

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so chicken, I know, salmonella, that's risky and all that stuff.

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But if I was walking down the
street and I saw a freshly dead cow

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just like it just fell over,
like right before I arrived, and I

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just ate it, would I be
fine the whole cow? No? I

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mean, like the meaty parts,
like not brains, no, Like it's

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yeah, I mean you'd probably It's
more there's a high chance you're gonna get

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sick because you don't know like what
the cow already had how did they know

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when they make hamburgers and stuff that
the cow didn't have something? Well,

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that's why you cook it. You
kill you kill bacteria. So if a

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cow had like a virus or cold
or something, when you cook, cooking

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is just like ensuring that you kill
all bacteria. Like if you had to

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eat raw meat in the wild because
you couldn't make fire, you would do

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it, and the chances of you
getting sick are higher if you didn't cook

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it. I just had a really
stupid thought. So okay, so if

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cooking cow gets rid of all the
illnesses and everything. Hypothetically, let's say

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I had a really bad illness I
had. I want to cook you.

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Yeah, like, okay, there's
a human sized oven and I, uh,

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we somehow make it so I don't
die. No, we make it

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to I don't die, and I
can I go into an oven and it'll

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just cook my cold away. But
you you would die? No, I

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don't know. In this hypothetical experiment, I'm I'm like impermose because like you're

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cold, you're cold. Most symptoms
of being sick is your body trying to

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expel of the germs. So so
you can cook it away. Think your

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body would then sense the extreme heat
and get sicker. Yeah, but what

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if I was impervious to like heat. If you're impervious to heat, then

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you're probably not getting a common cold
either. No, no, no,

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I'm super prone to illness. What
is this person you're imagining? My ideal

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self is impervious, catches colds frequently. What this is like some like perverted

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dream? I've always said this so
bad, This fucking Jack Kirby over here

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making the next superhero ever sometime a
little kid, what do you want to

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be when you grow up? To
heat but very prone to disease? A

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comment headed towards the earth, And
the only way to stop it is for

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me to cook myself, like on
a grill, like on a skillet,

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sizzle like bacon on It would be
a good skill to have, to think

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the things you can do. If
you're impervious to eat, you'd be sickly

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and in bed, so it wouldn't
it matter. Okay, But what if

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you didn't have that part and you
were just impervious to heat? I would

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like people, Yes, that's cool, but the way that you just can't

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like added. But also I get
a lot of gold for the hypothetical for

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the hypothetical. Um, I don't
even think a train for you. I

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don't think a medical doctor could answer
the question you asked. You'll have to

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bring them on to show. Let's
get a doctor. I imagine a doctor

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on this show answering Dan's wild questions
about body functions. I doctor, when

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someone poop slam a jamas, both
of you stop saying incorrectly. I will

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not. I refuse to learn the
term PCSJ go on, so crue doctor,

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how much bacteria is on my hands? And does a really hot shower

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fix? I don't need soap?
Right? Come on, sam jamay what

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I don't know? I was trying
to say In Spanish slam of jamma translate

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to slam a jamma. If not
the old slam a jammamma, you're just

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saying it faster and weirder. Italian
the slam of jama been slam a jama

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used to jam mule the old who
the slammer jammer appropriation slammuel ld jammuel boy,

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Oh you skinny gata. Is that
a slam of jamma? Or I

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don't know. I get those mixed
up Australians like where's the cat New Zealanders.

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They're like the cat h a city
slammer. You can't it sound like

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my friend who is a bogan self
proclaimed bogan. Why would you self proclaim

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you're a bogan. Bogan is like
a redneck. But in Australia. Oh

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interesting, Okay, well he's from
the suburbs, he says, but he

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does say it was like Bogan.
Suburbs in Australia is like the rural area,

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like the outback is just like most
of the west of the country,

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right, aren't all the cities like
on the east and south stuff on the

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west coast? It's like center is
is that? What would that be like

401
00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:41.359
the South in the US? Would
that be the analog? It's not.

402
00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:45.119
It's it doesn't play out the same
geographically, I don't believe. But middle

403
00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:51.400
is genuinely like mostly desert and completely
unusable by Man's not like little villages or

404
00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:55.920
anything like that. There's like maybe
a couple ruse that are bouncing around in

405
00:28:55.960 --> 00:29:00.759
some lizards really good wine. Well
no, not desertly, it's it's it's

406
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:04.119
very difficult to inhabit most of Australia. Really. Yeah, it's got to

407
00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:08.000
be a way they can fix that
right. Uh no, and then the

408
00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:12.799
place all the way on the other
side where no, also this other thing

409
00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:18.039
I was talking, how you deal
with Dan? No, no, Dan

410
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:22.200
suggesting terraforming with horrible lasers. No, I'm thinking the two thousand things with

411
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:26.359
the domes, like you could do
that. But yeah, isn't most of

412
00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:32.920
Australia's population southeast specifically? Yeah,
southeast? It's Sydney Melbourne? Yeah,

413
00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:37.480
yes, what's the what's the third
big city I'm missing besides Sydney Melbourne on

414
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:45.480
the East coast, Queens Brisbane,
Queen's Reich, the Queens Queens Queensland isn't

415
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:48.759
Queens the state or province or whatever
they call it. Yeah, and the

416
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:53.680
Gold Coast is like all down here
and then you have nothing and then you

417
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:59.279
have Perth. Perth is on the
west coast. Yeah okay, but it's

418
00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:03.119
not like our it's not like our
New York and California wars, Like nobody

419
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:06.480
wants to be from Perth. Oh
ok sorry? What what would Perth be

420
00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:11.559
in America? Florida? But not? But like yeah, yeah, there

421
00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:22.160
you go. That's yeah. Is
that where parents moved to die? I

422
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:26.039
don't know. I think it's where
you go to Yeah, like be forgotten.

423
00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:32.160
It's like it's like I'm leaving Facebook. You just disappear from society.

424
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:37.960
Who's I just talking to that.
I had a revelation, I know,

425
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:44.839
like the older you get, the
less tolerant you are of cold weather.

426
00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:49.480
I didn't realize that a lot of
elderly people fair better in the heat because

427
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:53.559
heat is better for arthritis, like
your joints whatnot. We you don't seize

428
00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:56.880
up as much, and it's it's
not as bad for I don't. I

429
00:30:56.160 --> 00:31:02.079
don't think that's like the same case
across every person. Is that like saunas

430
00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:06.000
and steam rooms and stuff. Maybe
a good sauna or steam room is a

431
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:11.119
solid like huge fan dude in the
morning. Yes, the sauna. My

432
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:15.759
gym's still closed, like they just
haven't reopened it. Since I'm about to

433
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:21.160
get an airbnb that has a sauna
and a hot tub, and I'm really

434
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:25.160
excited. I've done that. It's
fun. We do like both and then

435
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:32.079
if it's cold, you can do
the like sauna snow hot tub multiple Yeah,

436
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:34.160
like where you like lay in the
snow. That's super nice. Yeah,

437
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:37.880
I was reading that book that's on
the shelf. Id me Owls of

438
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:40.599
the Eastern Nice. I think I
talked about it on fire Skate before,

439
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:44.200
but they were saying the Russian way
to do is, yeah, like stay

440
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:45.839
in until you can barely stand it, and then you go out and you

441
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:49.920
rub snow all over your body and
like you just you go from extreme to

442
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:53.240
extreme, which is good for your
body apparent like circulation wise is really good

443
00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:56.319
for you. That's a tradition at
Ben Hanson's lakehouse. He's got a sauna

444
00:31:56.440 --> 00:32:00.680
in the lake house, and like
he will like pour so much water on

445
00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:02.359
it, so it's just like everyone's
dying in there, and we're just like

446
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:04.960
sorry, how long can we say? And how long can we say?

447
00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:06.880
And then we just sprunt out and
we go into the lake like yeah,

448
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:07.839
three in the morning, and it's, oh my god, this is the

449
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:10.160
best feeling in the world. It
is good. I feel like it's good

450
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:14.200
for you. I have to a
degree obviously, like don't push it too

451
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:17.559
hard, but like cold plunging is
supposed to be great for your body,

452
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:22.880
like the idea of essentially you're warm, you want to be warm, but

453
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:28.599
submerging your body all the way into
like icy cold water for a minute and

454
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:31.759
then getting out and getting warm is
supposed to like really help jolt your system

455
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:37.319
and like restart you know, your
engines and stuff like that. We had

456
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:39.160
people swear by like the cold shower
thing every day. I do. Like

457
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:43.480
I started doing a cold shower every
once in a while. We had a

458
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:46.200
problem with our water heater and we
live in a brownstone, so I had

459
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:50.759
to go all the way to the
garden level apartment to like it turned out

460
00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:52.200
the pilot light, which is fucked. I think like wind had blown it

461
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:55.960
out when during renovations down there.
But we didn't have cold water for like

462
00:32:57.160 --> 00:33:00.519
two days and we had to wait
for the gas and electric company to come

463
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:04.279
check it out. So I was
like forced to do cold showers. And

464
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:07.160
it always sucks when you first get
in it because like you can't breathe.

465
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:10.599
It's it feels like you can't breathe. But then the more you get used

466
00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:15.119
to it, like it's way better
than caffeine, like waking up and being

467
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:17.960
alert. But I would I don't
do it every day. I'm not a

468
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:22.039
so like sociopath, but it is
kind of nice every once in a while.

469
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:30.200
I really I like the cold coffee
technique where you let's just where you

470
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:37.119
drink nice coffee too. I shour
a nice coffee and then I shipped my

471
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:42.680
hand. Damn it, stop bringing
it back. Uh. My aunt and

472
00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:47.279
uncle were visiting me and I every
morning. They want a nice cup of

473
00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:51.559
coffee. That's what they wanted to
wake up with. I understand that I'm

474
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:53.359
a good host. They always got
a nice, hot cup of coffee.

475
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:58.119
But it was like ninety degrees this
last weekend, and so I gave them

476
00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:01.799
their their coffee and I made myself
an iced coffee, and they, I

477
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:05.079
want to say, like they were
giving me any shit about it, but

478
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:07.920
they were basically like, you drinking
iced coffee like all the time. And

479
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:09.519
I was like, all the time, if it's hot, I want an

480
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:13.079
iced coffee, And they were like, I would never have an nice coffee.

481
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:15.239
I always have a hot coffee,
even on the hottest days. And

482
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:19.639
I think it's a generational thing because
like, I don't really know a lot

483
00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:24.159
of parents that have iced coffees or
even like consider it. But I couldn't

484
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:28.920
imagine a hot day without a delicious
iced coffee in my hand instead of a

485
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:31.559
hot coffee. And it's just like
second nature to me. I feel like

486
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:35.199
growing up, you didn't really see
a lot of ice likeing media and stuff

487
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:37.079
or Starbucks probably changed the game,
don't you thing? I think, yeah,

488
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:39.440
And I feel like Starbucks didn't.
We first start hearing about it really

489
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:44.880
and like the late nineties it became
donuts as well, like I thought,

490
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:49.760
yeah, yeah, they what were
those called, Mike, do you remember?

491
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:55.960
They had like iced coffee drinks that
were not called iced coffee and orange

492
00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:05.679
maca frappuccino something orange macca frapp macina. I do both because I'll always make

493
00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:08.920
too much in the pot that we
have, and then I'll put it into

494
00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:13.239
a thermis, put that in the
fridge for the next day. It's not

495
00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:15.360
cold brew, obviously, but it's
ice coffee, so the next day I'll

496
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:20.400
take it out, pour it and
then I'm not wasting any I am you.

497
00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:23.880
I do the same thing every day. I have I brew coffee like

498
00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:28.880
a regular person, and then whatever's
left over, it goes into the fridge,

499
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:31.320
and then I have iced coffee for
when I need it. I realize

500
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:35.559
I used to have iced coffee every
day when I worked at the CBS office

501
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:37.960
in New York. Oh yeah,
yeah, And I would be bummed when

502
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:40.760
it switched over to like only hot. And I realized, like, we

503
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:44.760
have a coffee machine here, and
I make coffee almost every day now,

504
00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:47.679
but it's always hot. If I
wanted to make if we have a coffee

505
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:52.159
machine, do I have the means
to make it iced? Not like immediately

506
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:54.880
again, I what I do.
I pour it into a thermis, put

507
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:58.360
in the fridge, and then later
that day or the next day. That's

508
00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:00.960
important, that in the cup and
then because if you put it on ice

509
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:04.880
and it's hot, you're gonna water
down the ship out of your coffee and

510
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:07.760
then it's just going to be liquid. So the secret is is to make

511
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:14.239
coffee like regular coffee and slowly cool
it in your fridge, or make hyper

512
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:19.000
concentrated coffee, which you could also
do right double the amount of grounds you

513
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:22.239
put in it so it's like slidge, and then immediately put ice in it

514
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.320
to cool it down if you want
it right away. So it's I think

515
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:28.199
Bonx just said she accidentally got like
too big of a thing for the ice

516
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:30.639
cot or for her normal coffee,
and she just put it in like a

517
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:32.679
cup in the fridge, And I
can just fill that with ice and just

518
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:36.440
pour it on top of that and
that's basically just straight up an ice coffee

519
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:38.920
right at that point. Yeah,
which is different than cold brew cobrew is

520
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:45.000
obviously like actually made over like with
cold freezing cold water over time, which

521
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:51.960
is really cool. Yeah, I
like just sold reusing the hot coffee method.

522
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:53.760
It's totally functional for me, and
I feel like I'm not wasting it.

523
00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:57.400
How many times have you like poured
out half a pot of coffee?

524
00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:59.639
I know, Dan, I don't
think you make pots. I think you

525
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:04.199
have one of them pods, whatever
they're called. I've never drink coffee out

526
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:06.119
of a pot, and I don't
really know how they work. I've seen

527
00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:07.679
them, but it's always intimidate.
You have a pot in your house,

528
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:12.079
you have the pod. No,
he's saying, you're saying two different things.

529
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:14.920
She's saying pod. He's saying,
dance saying pot. We use the

530
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.679
pods. I've never made a pot
of coffee or I don't think I've ever

531
00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:22.840
drank coffee out of a pot.
I don't know how. I know beans

532
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:23.960
are involved, that's all I know. Like I done to my head,

533
00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:27.679
I would have no idea how to
work a pot of coffee. You haven't

534
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:30.159
made it. That's fine, I've
made you a pot of coffee here.

535
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:32.079
Oh, I believe it. I
believe it. I just I've never seen

536
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:35.920
I've never consciously grabbed a pot and
been like, oh, I'm pouring my

537
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:40.599
coffee. It's it's it's like a
drip coffee. But experience would I would

538
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:45.079
try. Look, all I know
is that like ninety pieces involved you need

539
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:49.800
like the weird filtery things. No, there are beans that you get out

540
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.400
of a vending machine at the grocery
store. Is it just beans? I

541
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:57.960
don't really understand the filter situation.
And I don't know what else is involved.

542
00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:01.840
Water is involved, yes, And
I don't drinking the beans or if

543
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:07.000
they get ground up into your pot, or if the beans get You're not

544
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:10.119
ingesting the beans, right, You're
ingesting the caffeine and the runoff from the

545
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:13.960
beans. Which is you you if
you can get the whole beans, or

546
00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:16.840
you can get the like actually pre
ground beans. If you get the whole

547
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:20.760
beans, do you have to grind
them? Yeah? It tastes better,

548
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:24.400
it tastes I wonder what happens if
you just pour water over whole beans.

549
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:28.199
You would not get like, you
barely get any flavor. It would just

550
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:31.400
be different hot water with and when
you grind them up, it's running through

551
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:36.960
like coffee mud, so then it
strains through the filter. By the time

552
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:38.239
it's dripping, it's like, oh, so you're just drinking water, and

553
00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:42.840
that's like been hanging out in your
beans. That's hot water that's been dripped

554
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:45.719
through like a pile of coffee grounds
in the filter. The filter stops the

555
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:49.599
grit from getting into the drink,
and the nep of that flavor stays in

556
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:52.559
the water, even if you're going, yeah, it's marinated baby. I

557
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:58.000
also love the catchphrase, so it's
just water that's been hanging out with some

558
00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:02.000
means. If I took jelly bellies
and I poured a bunch of water over

559
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:06.599
the jellybellies and had a cup underneath
it, it wouldn't be like delicious candy

560
00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:10.000
water. You're wrong, it would
It would be pretty delicious. So if

561
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:15.079
you ever had have you ever had
skittle brew where you put skittles and vodka

562
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:19.960
together, Oh, somebody had a
party once in college that had this type

563
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:22.599
of stuff and it was delicious and
awesome. Yeah, it's not too dissimilar.

564
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:27.679
Think about it, and I think
we could do it in a coffee

565
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:30.719
machine. You could would suck the
coffee. Now, skittles would fuck a

566
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:36.599
coffee machine. Why I see?
I think trying to grind skittles would fuck

567
00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:37.599
a grind her up. I think, oh, does a coffee machine?

568
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:43.000
Does a coffee machine itself grind the
stuff? Some don't. Usually This is

569
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:45.599
what I think you should do with
a coffee pot. You take like a

570
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:49.840
knife and you just, you know, you coarsely chop your skits, and

571
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:57.440
then you put them in the coffee
maker in the basket. It filter and

572
00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:01.320
if you run water through that,
you should get delicious skittle water. I

573
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:04.800
feel like if that was the case, this would be the biggest thing in

574
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:06.480
the world, and you'd hear about
it all the time, like more than

575
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:09.719
coffee. Why more people talking about
skittle hot skittles. It must be gross,

576
00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:14.559
It must you have because it must
be gross. Otherwise everybody would love

577
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:16.199
this ship. You would have to
divide the colors up. Otherwise you get

578
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:22.360
this weird rainbow like brownish class.
I could get grape skittles and just make

579
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:24.920
grape skittles coffee, Yes, you
absolutely go. It wouldn't be coffee.

580
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:29.000
It wouldn't be coffee, It would
just be water. It's just hot or

581
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:34.840
cold. It's hot at first down
now cold like cold would not I don't

582
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.519
think would trap as much as the
flavor. Oh hot sucks it in.

583
00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:39.440
The flavor more. I don't know
if it sucks it in, but it

584
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:44.400
runs through coffee grounds. It melts
it right, because you're melting the sugar

585
00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:47.000
into the water, so it ross. It's like further cooking it a bit

586
00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:52.199
more with the skittle brow with the
liquor. Right, you're putting skittles,

587
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:58.039
and I would buy six six bottles
of liquor of vodka, and then you

588
00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:01.039
divide the skittles into all their colors, and you put the skittles into the

589
00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:05.880
vodka bottles and you shake them once
a day and you keep them under your

590
00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:07.320
bed. I'm not kidding. I
did this, no, I know.

591
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:13.960
But that's soaking. That's not like
the coffee process and the alcohol because it's

592
00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:19.679
vodka. Like into away at the
color and the sugar and the flavor.

593
00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:22.719
And now towards the end, you
still have the remnants of the core of

594
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:27.400
the skittle, like you still have
that gooey center. What it tastes like.

595
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:31.840
It tastes like skittles delicious And wait, Wait, the core of the

596
00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:37.480
skittle still tastes the core, So
I did eat one. Uh it's really

597
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:43.239
lost a lot of it's like goodness. I wouldn't recommend eating the core,

598
00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:47.800
so it just transfers the flavor into
VA kind of sucks the flavor in skittles

599
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:52.840
from the coloring, not the center. I don't know the rules of that.

600
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:55.559
I know with flour Skittles, all
the flavor is on the shell because

601
00:41:55.599 --> 00:42:00.199
that's where all the shower crystals are. It's definitely the shell because orange skins

602
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:02.079
they use the same flavoring as orange
tic TACs, and those are both very

603
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:06.719
different materials outside. But it's definitely
the show. Damn, that's not such

604
00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:09.440
a cool fact that, you know. Can we do? I want people

605
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:17.719
to try an emails so sarcastic,
wow, damn dude that I want people

606
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:22.239
to tweet. I want people to
try skittles coffee, and I want them

607
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:23.679
to send pictures to the fire,
skip Twitter, an email and let us

608
00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:28.320
know how this goes. Sky Crow
is delicious. I've made when I was

609
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:30.800
like twenty one, as his tradition, But if you don't want to get

610
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:31.519
drunk, if you just want like
a nice treat, in the morning,

611
00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:36.320
Like I would love to like just
have a nice ti just that's weird to

612
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:37.920
do in the morning. I want
to make like a classy drink. I

613
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:43.239
love these, is not I love
the idea though, going back to it

614
00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:47.239
that like when he's making skittles in
a coffee maker that he's like, I

615
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:52.280
made skittles coffee, and it's like
that's just water. It's just wait,

616
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:57.079
isn't that? Couldn't you say about
coffee not unless you put coffee beans in

617
00:42:57.199 --> 00:43:00.280
it, But you're putting skittles in
it? Why are skittles different than beans?

618
00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:05.599
Well? Are you asking how candy
skittles are different from coffee beans?

619
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:07.280
You know what I'm saying? Why
is it different? Like if coffee is

620
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:12.000
not, if copy is more than
water, why is Why was it just

621
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:15.079
water skittles and not a whole different
thing? You know? I mean think

622
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:19.239
I'm not disagreeing that you could do
what you're doing. I just don't think

623
00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.360
it's going to turn out the way
you're expecting. Maybe it will and you'll

624
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:24.480
have a new morning ritual on your
hands, but I just don't think it

625
00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:30.920
will. I think it'll taste it
Like, I mean, like, what

626
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:37.320
is the what is the analog I'm
thinking of? Um, really out there,

627
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:42.679
it's like milk with like leftover milk
after cereal. I feel like it's

628
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:45.400
going to be that sort of flavor, like just the fat, weird hint

629
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:47.599
of it. Yeah, I don't
like leftover milk. I mean, obviously

630
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:52.239
if it's fresh after like, it's
not good like the day later. But

631
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:58.480
like I for dessert sometimes if I'm
lazy and I don't have anything in the

632
00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:02.400
house, I'll make myself off a
bowl of sugary cereal. Yeah, and

633
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:09.039
drinking the milk afterwards is delicious because
it's all sweet, sweet, sweet milk.

634
00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:15.960
It's like drinking the liquid that pools
up by the gutter and it's just

635
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:19.079
like it's like, oh, that's
old and discarded, Like that's not meant

636
00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:22.679
for consumption. You know, it's
gravy, baby, It's the essence of

637
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:29.239
pure flavor. It's been marinating and
all the good stuff. I thought,

638
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:30.760
we don't have the whole thing.
I just want to say, I just

639
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:32.400
realized I don't know where gravy comes
from. We don't have to go into

640
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:36.159
a whole thing about it. Are
you saying it's I just I'm just making

641
00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:37.840
a mental note to myself to look
up we're gravy, to write it down

642
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:43.519
for next week. I don't fully
know how to make gravy. All right,

643
00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:54.000
here we go. So when you're
making gravy, making gravy, um,

644
00:44:55.000 --> 00:45:00.960
no, I know? Is there
flour involved some gravy? Yeah,

645
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:06.400
the secret is rue. And you
probably want to have cooked meat in a

646
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:08.760
pan. So yeah, because you
use the turkey. You get there for

647
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:15.199
turkey gravy. When you're cooking a
meat, typically you're cooking it on a

648
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:20.599
hot skillet and it's making that like
yummy crispy edge on them, on like

649
00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:23.280
steak that you like, right,
it's got that char When you take the

650
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:29.519
steak off, there's inevitably like meat
edge juice that's still on that pan.

651
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:30.760
You know what. It's like baking
grease, like bacon grease and stuff.

652
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:36.840
Right, it is like greasy.
It's mostly like the bits I'm gonna call

653
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:40.000
it bits. Is it made of
turkey? It's made it of whatever meat

654
00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:44.079
that you cooked in the pan.
There's lots of different types of gravy.

655
00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:47.679
There's there's turkey gravy, there's um. You know, you can make gravy

656
00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:52.480
out of steak. You can make
it out of any meat whatever. Thanksgiving

657
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:55.599
like gravy over like that could be
somebody who's making turkey, and usually turkey

658
00:45:55.639 --> 00:46:00.480
gravy, and so it's turkey drippings, right, and then you make a

659
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:08.519
root and a root dripping, like
subscribe turkey with me, the delicious oils

660
00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:15.480
and drippings that fall fought turkey.
When that's why gravy is just fattening.

661
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:21.559
Oh, and then you make a
rut which is typically flour and a liquid

662
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:28.360
which generally in our case would be
milk, a thick milk and butter,

663
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:35.559
and you kind of like stir it
all together and it becomes this vis viscous

664
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:40.000
liquid and you put that in the
drippings and you stir it all together,

665
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:44.840
and then you add maybe some seasonings. It's usually like salt, pepper,

666
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:47.800
maybe time, whatever, you know, seasons you want, and that's gravy

667
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:52.639
base. Maybe that sounds extremely unhealthy, but also even just the waves described

668
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:58.039
sounds even more delicious. It's like
both of those things. No one's healthy

669
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:02.880
on Thanksgiving. No gravy is like
just no. Anytime you're having biscuits and

670
00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:08.079
gravy, those biscuits are made out
of butter and flour and that gravy is

671
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:13.239
made out of butter and flour and
like meat, and that's it. That's

672
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:19.880
what you're ingesting. It's delicious.
It's yeah, oh god, hell yeah,

673
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:22.239
I want biscuits and gravy. There's
a really good biscuits and gravy place

674
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:27.480
here. Maybe I'll take you guys
when you visit me Um And they do

675
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:30.800
like real fun biscuits and gravy.
So it's like they have biscuits and gravy.

676
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:35.679
But then they have ones that have
like maybe like uh, they'll they'll

677
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:37.159
put twists on it, or maybe
they'll be apple butter on it, and

678
00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:40.519
maybe one of them it's a sandwich
and it's got like some mustard and honey

679
00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:45.239
on it. They changed the change
the system based on like what you're but

680
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:52.440
they have tradish, biscuits and gravy
for anyone who would want it. So

681
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:55.360
good. I know, we we
gotta be careful talking about food because you

682
00:47:55.440 --> 00:48:00.199
know you'll get excited. Tell me
feel good, you did it. I

683
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:02.199
didn't ask that. It started by
feeling Yeah. Every year it's a long

684
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:06.840
walk to making your stomach feel My
tummy feels better. Thank you. After

685
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:12.800
the slamjam will be slam city,
get it right, Jesus will be slam

686
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:20.760
mill, gim mill. I'm so
good at France. You guys want to

687
00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:23.840
talk about video games. Sure,
I haven't really been playing anything lately.

688
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:32.679
Yeah, I mean playing games right
now. When we had talked specifically last

689
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:37.519
episode about the preview event, I
think at that point I would have been

690
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:42.679
like trying remember when we were recorded, probably like thirty five forty hours into

691
00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:45.800
years the case said you said forty. I think okay, I don't remeber

692
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:46.280
you said that on air. If
you just told me, I think it

693
00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:52.599
was like forty. Yeah. Now
I'm one hundred sure for review. I

694
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:54.920
filed my draft after having played like
seventy five, but then by the time

695
00:48:55.039 --> 00:49:00.039
the review published three days later,
I had gotten to a closer to one

696
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:06.119
hundred. Can I make up public
admission here that I haven't really talked about

697
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:12.320
publicly before. With you telling me
how many hours you can put into this

698
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:17.639
game, and with me seeing the
outlandish and wily things people are constructing online,

699
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:23.800
I feel intimidated and a little like
anxious. When I pick up the

700
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:28.079
game. It's overwhelming at first,
for sure, the amount of freedom they

701
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:30.840
give you. However, I will
say the more you play real quick hand.

702
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:31.679
I just want to tell people that
they are listening. We aren't going

703
00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:36.920
to go into specific spoilers here because
I'm letting you two lead it, and

704
00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:39.039
I'll jump in. I'm not even
ten hours in. Yeah, I'm like

705
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:42.639
ten to twenty hours to that point, though, Mary, I will say

706
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:47.480
that, like, there are long
stretches of my hundred whatever hours where it

707
00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:52.920
felt just like Breath of the Wild, loop exploring and sure you're still using

708
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:59.199
ultra hand fairly often, very vaguely
speaking. I will actually say the parts

709
00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:02.599
of the game I really disliked are
when they force you into making one specific

710
00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:05.880
thing to solve the puzzle. I
think the game is at its best when

711
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:08.039
you can solve puzzle. Like,
however, you want different ways, Yeah,

712
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:13.199
but it is. I mean,
we have people on staff, Cass

713
00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:16.039
Marshall had written a thing about how
like it was too overwhelming for them to

714
00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:19.800
enjoy. They went back to the
breath like, Breath of Wild still exists.

715
00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:22.199
It's still an awesome game. It's
a simple world. And when I

716
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:29.320
play video games, I really I
am careful about how much challenge I want

717
00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:32.719
to give myself because I am there
to escape and and you know, just

718
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:37.440
enjoy myself. And I think I
found myself in the beginning moments of that

719
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:45.679
game having a bit of anxiety about
being asked to be an engineer, which

720
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:51.679
is not something I personally want in
my game. And I was almost afraid

721
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:53.559
to say it because I was like, I feel like people are so Zelda

722
00:50:53.599 --> 00:51:00.280
crazy. I'll be this outlier,
but it it it's not why I would

723
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:05.320
pick up a Zelda game is to
do that and to make machines and flying

724
00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:07.639
mechanisms. I see what you're saying, and that like you'll see the clips

725
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:13.440
of people like I made this thing
with like pistons and yeah, where it's

726
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:15.760
like, look, I am far
from an engineer, I believe it or

727
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:20.239
not. And I find that it
get out of town. I know that

728
00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:22.039
maybe a shocker, but to me, it's just kind of like, you

729
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:24.920
know, there's the guy with the
signs. This is a guy that always

730
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:28.599
needs to like stand up a sign
and you run into him and it's like

731
00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:30.559
it's always next to some wood and
stuff like that. Oh yeah, he

732
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:34.400
has to put up this like real
estate sign or something like that. And

733
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:37.800
it's to me, it's not like
an engineering feed. I kind of look

734
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:39.920
at it as like, all right, I got some planks, I got

735
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:44.719
some wood here, what, I'm
just gonna slap some shit together in a

736
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:47.119
weird way. It's it's physics to
me more than engineering. It's more just

737
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:51.280
like you know, it may look. It always looks very ugly. I

738
00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:52.679
never have some stroke of genius where
it's like, oh, yes, if

739
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:55.199
I put this at a perpendicular access. It's never that. It's just like,

740
00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:58.840
I'm gonna slap a bunch of bullshit
together and see if it stands up.

741
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:01.400
And I I think it's because of
that, I never get too intimidated

742
00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:06.639
by it. And also the Mike, I think you mentioned that if it

743
00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:09.719
wants you to create one specific thing. Um, I've never really found that.

744
00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:14.960
Like there are the shrines where it's
well, it's like, yeah,

745
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:17.760
maybe it's it's parts that you told
me you didn't want to talk about.

746
00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:21.679
Oh oh okay, well then I
haven't seen that. But I've done like

747
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:24.239
thirty shrines now, and like,
there are definitely the ones where it's like

748
00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:29.280
here's a bunch of rockets and here's
here's some stuff to attach it to and

749
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:31.239
you can tell it's tied to Like, okay, I'm gonna use rockets to

750
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:35.239
solve this. But I have had
numerous like a bunch of shrines and stuff

751
00:52:35.239 --> 00:52:37.039
where it's like, Okay, I
can tell what it wants me to do.

752
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:38.880
But when I was going for the
treasure chest, I wind up over

753
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:42.519
here and I've got this in this
I wonder if I could by by,

754
00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:44.400
And then I'm like, oh shit, that works, you know, so

755
00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:47.039
I feel like that freedom is still
there again. I don't know specifically what

756
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:50.719
you're talking about, Mike, that
I haven't seen yet, but so far

757
00:52:51.079 --> 00:52:53.280
I have found it to mostly be
just like I'll slaps some stuff together and

758
00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:55.280
see if it works, and if
it doesn't, it's usually in a funny

759
00:52:55.320 --> 00:53:00.320
way. I like the freedom,
and I do agree, I don't feel

760
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:04.920
like I'm required to. I guess
what I'm saying is is, you know,

761
00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:07.840
when we're playing Sons the Forest and
some people get really into constructing the

762
00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:15.559
houses, and some people get really
interested in building mechanic You were really excited

763
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:17.320
about finding something in a book and
being like, I'm going to build this

764
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:22.320
fish trap and I'm going to construct
this elaborate thing. Do you remember what

765
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:30.639
I spent my time doing chasing squirrels
around I was bashing squirrels. I genuinely

766
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:34.480
think that when I get most excited
about playing a game, it's to have

767
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:38.480
a simple task and just try to
execute it perfectly. That is where I

768
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:43.800
find the most joy. And so
when you put me in a sandbox like

769
00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:49.320
that, what happens is I revert
back to my most basic instincts and I

770
00:53:49.400 --> 00:53:52.880
try and bash rats. And so
you put me in this game with all

771
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:58.000
these this possibility of engineering, and
I'm like, I'm going to find the

772
00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:01.000
biggest, toughest guy on the field
and I'm going to beat his ass.

773
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:05.400
And that's kind of what I've done
with my time so far, as I've

774
00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:08.719
just become this maniacal killer because it's
what I'm adjusted to and I feel comfortable

775
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:13.119
doing it. I don't know if
I'm playing the game the way you're supposed

776
00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:15.719
to. Well, so yeah,
maybe it's fine. No. Yeah.

777
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:19.639
I literally wrote like a PSA thing
that went up after the review. It's

778
00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:22.800
like, there's no correct way to
play this game. Again, that's part

779
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:24.159
of the beauty of it. Yeah, like you can play, but it's

780
00:54:24.159 --> 00:54:28.400
a different than me. That's a
daunting preposition for a lot of people.

781
00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:31.360
I think Breath of the Wild,
in hindsight, was extremely simple compared to

782
00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:37.840
this, and Zelda as a series
has always very much been about like the

783
00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:43.760
one solution to a problem teaching you, and it is. It's like a

784
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:50.199
masterclass in game design where it's teaching
you a mechanic and it's laid out a

785
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:55.960
perfect situation for you to learn the
mechanic very well. I do think that

786
00:54:57.159 --> 00:55:00.840
this game does that. In my
very early stages of the game, when

787
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:08.840
it was trying to teach me very
simple bouts of construction or fusion, I

788
00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:15.960
understood what it was trying to teach
me, and I did like that when

789
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:17.760
I came across my first puzzle where
I was like, I actually don't know

790
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:21.599
how to solve this, I think
I solved it in a way that other

791
00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:24.519
people didn't and that made me feel
really smart. So I've enjoyed that aspect

792
00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:28.000
of it. I guess what I'm
just saying is is I feel a little

793
00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:30.599
isolated when I look online and I
see all these people making cool stuff,

794
00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:35.960
and that is not what brings me
joy when I play games. Oh yeah,

795
00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:37.960
no, there's there's stuff people are
making. I saw them. They

796
00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:44.000
made a I think I understand the
basics of how they made it. So

797
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:49.039
to be clear, I as even
as far as I am, I played

798
00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:52.400
a shrine today that showed me how
to use a ZONEI item that I've had

799
00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:55.119
my inventory most of the game,
just never knew how the fuck to use

800
00:55:55.159 --> 00:56:00.559
it. Like the shrines are the
tutorials for zone items, often Zonie devices,

801
00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:05.920
and depending on what shrines you go
to, you might not know how

802
00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:10.360
to use one of those for much
of the game. Um, but as

803
00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:14.559
I understand, I understand the basics
of what they made. But basically,

804
00:56:14.679 --> 00:56:19.840
these people made an orbital laser to
kill a gliac. But it's basically a

805
00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:23.440
you get a levitating platform the ones
you hit. You might not even have

806
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:27.800
seen these yet. I won't go
into the gameplay specifics that I guess that

807
00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:30.679
would be spoilery, but it's like
it's one of those things where it's I

808
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:36.159
can forget it sky laser. I
understand. Yeah, So it's like I

809
00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:38.559
vaguely understand how they made that,
but I'm never gonna put the time into

810
00:56:38.599 --> 00:56:40.760
making something like that. And if
you want to, that's cool, but

811
00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:45.440
like it's that's like Minecraft. Some
people just like what I was thinking,

812
00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:50.639
this israft but I think of it
in the way that like if I see

813
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:53.199
a Mario sixty four speed run,
like you know, some crazy where they

814
00:56:53.239 --> 00:56:55.719
are doing shit, I didn't even
know it was possible. It's like,

815
00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:59.880
I don't I don't get frustrated that, like, oh I can't play that

816
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:01.239
way. I think that's just kind
of like the Outliers. It's like,

817
00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:05.000
wow, look at this crazy thing
that someone built, or the way someone

818
00:57:05.079 --> 00:57:08.079
can play this game. It's not
aspiration very different, but I mean,

819
00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:13.719
the game isn't intended for people to
break it and speed run it. Like

820
00:57:14.119 --> 00:57:16.960
that's why that's so elaborate and so
crazy. To watch someone like break the

821
00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:21.480
game and play it time and time
and time again, to be able to

822
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:25.559
like concoct that that is a totally
different level. This game is encouraging people

823
00:57:25.639 --> 00:57:31.960
to make weird constructions. It wants
you to do something like totally different and

824
00:57:32.119 --> 00:57:37.519
unique. They're hoping that the audience
is going to make something elaborate that they

825
00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:39.039
never even considered. But I wouldn't
think that, Like, you know,

826
00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:42.559
if you see a bunch of clips
on social media and stuff of people doing

827
00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:45.519
like elaborate stuff, I don't think
that's a failure on anyone's part if like

828
00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:47.880
I doubt anyone any one of us
three are building super crazy things, Like

829
00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:52.000
most of the stuff I'm building is
just dumb as hell. And yeah,

830
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:54.360
I saw there was there was a
one of the towers that I was trying

831
00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:57.760
to go up and activate, and
it was surrounded by a bunch of spikes,

832
00:57:57.800 --> 00:57:59.000
and I was like, all right, I got to figure out a

833
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:00.960
way to get over these spikes.
That's why I spent like ten fifteen minutes

834
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:05.320
just chopping down a bunch of trees, getting planks from far away, bringing

835
00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:07.039
them in and I just built the
most fucked up like kind of like ramp

836
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:10.239
ladder thing. I put it up
above the spikes, went off the top

837
00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:13.440
of like I did it, and
I landed on the other side, and

838
00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:15.760
I realized there was just a giant
ramp I could have walked up and like

839
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:20.119
I could, it was just right. But the thing is, there was

840
00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:22.079
a ton of enemies and stuff there, and because I did my fucked up

841
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:25.719
thing, I find them and they
didn't see me, and I just like

842
00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:29.360
walked into the tower and activated,
and I was like, oh fuck.

843
00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:32.360
Even though like my dumbass way was
completely unnecessary and not elegant in any way.

844
00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:36.880
I had that little experiment that was
just that experience that was just mine.

845
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:38.440
You know, when you were you
you got benefit from it, which

846
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:44.079
is also really nice. Yeah,
I think like I'm just so low on

847
00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:50.000
the on the totem pole of what's
impressive to me right now. I had

848
00:58:50.119 --> 00:58:53.400
one of those giant metal hooks,
and for whatever reason, I had a

849
00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:57.679
long stick and I was like,
I'm gonna fuse to this hook and it

850
00:58:57.800 --> 00:59:00.480
gives you a pole of a little
hook on the end of it, and

851
00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:02.800
I was like, this is the
craziest thing I've ever seen. And I'm

852
00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:07.800
watching this like when I watched the
videos, I was like, not ten

853
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:12.360
minutes ago, I was blown away
by a stick with a hook on the

854
00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:16.519
end of it. Yeah, I'm
out of my league. So that's what

855
00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:21.159
I'm curious. What is like the
what is your favorite thing you fused so

856
00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:27.360
far to stick with the hook?
I just I just like I just told

857
00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:29.480
you. I mean, there's a
lot of things where it's just like I

858
00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:30.719
got a weapon and I was like, oh, I wonder if I fused

859
00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:32.920
this sword with a bow and arrow, and it's like, well, now

860
00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:37.039
I just got a bow stuck to
my sword, Like, yeah, that's

861
00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:39.760
nothing at all. It's neat that
you were able to do it. I

862
00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:43.280
do think it's cool that they were
like, sure, we'll let you do

863
00:59:43.400 --> 00:59:47.880
that dumb decision, living skeleton arm
onto another living skeleton arm and have a

864
00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:52.119
super long skeletons fuck up. Been
weird, Like, yeah, I love

865
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:57.880
it, you know, I I
there's definitely certain combinations that are more entertaining,

866
00:59:57.960 --> 01:00:00.360
like a highly inshrum and a stick. Have you done that yet?

867
01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:02.280
Is that the bouncy stick? Yeah? Yeah, Oh my god. On

868
01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:07.079
the fourth hit when he spins and
hits them, I don't know if I

869
01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:08.559
did a four combo or anything.
Oh if you do a four combo on

870
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:12.480
the four combo or if you charge
up an attack, he does the critical

871
01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:15.639
thing. It sends the enemy catapulting
into the distance and it makes up boiling.

872
01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:20.360
Oh my god. Yeah, I
just gotta get to the he goes

873
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:25.159
and then he does the spin like
the bo cobbe just went limp and launched

874
01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:30.480
into the distance. Yeah, that's
really good there. I wouldn't I wouldn't

875
01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:32.800
feel bad about you know what you're
describing, because it's like I don't know

876
01:00:32.840 --> 01:00:37.880
about Mike, but like At no
point in my probably fifteen hours with the

877
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:40.639
game have I built something and thought
like I'm proud of that that was smart

878
01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:44.599
and good. Like No, it's
like I'm just slapping stuff together and make

879
01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:45.599
to get from A to b,
like to get to the end of the

880
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:49.400
shrine, or to get over that
bridge or something like that, like and

881
01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:52.480
I think I find that really fun. I wouldn't compare what you're making to

882
01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:57.719
this like incredibly elaborate edge cases.
You're single, you know who I was

883
01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:00.519
I compared. I think I said
Link is like a combination of Rigorn,

884
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:05.719
Imperative, Furiosa and mcgiver. But
he really is mcgruber. I know one

885
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:09.440
of those. He's mcgruber. Okay, Yes, I was. I was

886
01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:13.679
gonna write a thing probably got like
this is the rous Celery and Zelda.

887
01:01:14.199 --> 01:01:15.960
There's a Stamboul, but you can't
put it up your ass. You might

888
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:22.320
use Celary with your ass, fuse
Celery with asshole. I interviewed Asian Numa

889
01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:25.320
and hit Tomorrow Fujibayashi recently, who
made the game, and I was like,

890
01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:30.119
I wish it could have gotten a
point where I was like, why

891
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:34.159
can't I fuse Celery? Why why
is there's why are there so few asshole

892
01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:38.159
fusions? Yes? What have gone? They were like get out of They

893
01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:43.880
loved when you asked questions, leave
the men's room, or just take a

894
01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:46.599
break. Why are you? How
did you get in here? Um?

895
01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:51.599
There are so many little things that
the things that impressed me about the game

896
01:01:51.639 --> 01:01:53.480
are the things that, like,
I can't believe this was consistent. I'm

897
01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:57.159
never impressing myself with what I'm making. I am impressed by the stuff that

898
01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:00.039
they considered and made all these systems
work together. There was a part where

899
01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:05.039
I was in the mountains, but
I didn't have any like cold resistance gear

900
01:02:05.119 --> 01:02:07.280
or anything. So I was had
before I went in. I had to

901
01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:09.440
make all these meals and cold resistance
stuff and spicy pepper meals and stuff,

902
01:02:09.519 --> 01:02:12.239
and I'm like, okay, I
got one warm, Like I was really

903
01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:15.119
focusing on that. I go into
a shrine and while I was in there,

904
01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:17.559
you know, I fought a few
things. And then when I left

905
01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:22.599
the shrine, I noticed I wasn't
I didn't have any of the cold resistance

906
01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:24.840
anymore. The meal had worn off, but I wasn't cold anymore, And

907
01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:28.440
I was like, wait, why
am I not? And I realized while

908
01:02:28.440 --> 01:02:31.559
I was in the shrine, I
fused a ruby to my sword to make

909
01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:35.440
it so I could kind of like
throw fire, and so the sword it

910
01:02:35.679 --> 01:02:37.800
has flames on and so that's the
thing. I didn't even have it,

911
01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:42.599
like it was equipped on my back, but even if, yeah, the

912
01:02:42.679 --> 01:02:45.679
flame was there and they factored that
in and it made the link warm enough.

913
01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:49.280
I was like, that's fucking crazy. That took me a while to

914
01:02:49.440 --> 01:02:52.119
realize that's what was happening. I
thought like something had broken. I was

915
01:02:52.159 --> 01:02:54.679
like, I should be I mean, I was in Garuda desert. I

916
01:02:54.760 --> 01:03:00.199
was like, I should be like
overheated right now. He should be doing

917
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:02.719
the swaying thing. But I'm not. My potion, my elixir has worn

918
01:03:02.760 --> 01:03:07.760
off. I'm not wearing the Grudo
Vogue armor yet. I haven't gotten that.

919
01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:12.480
I was like, oh, I
have an opal on the stick behind

920
01:03:12.519 --> 01:03:15.000
me that I was using for water
ship or sorry, a sapphire's using for

921
01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:19.960
ice stuff. Yeah. Yeah,
there was a there was a Boucablin like

922
01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:22.280
early in the game. And I
just feel like there are these little fucking

923
01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:24.480
magical things that happened all the time
that like you might not ever see.

924
01:03:24.559 --> 01:03:28.320
Most people might not ever see.
But the game is just so filled with

925
01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:30.960
possibilities for that, Like it was
just a simple thing. It was a

926
01:03:30.039 --> 01:03:34.360
Boucablin and he had like a rock
hammer. I attacked him with whatever I

927
01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:37.760
had. He drops the rock hammer
and flew back. I pick up the

928
01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:39.800
rock hammer. He stands up and
he doesn't have a weapon to Boucablin,

929
01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:42.440
and I'm just like watching him,
like, oh, I wonder what he's

930
01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:45.960
gonna do. Yeah, he starts
digging in the ground and grabs a rock

931
01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:49.199
and he throws it at me,
and for like while it's in mid air,

932
01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:51.280
I was like, I wonder if
this is gonna And I hit the

933
01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:54.599
button I swaying it and it fucking
knocked the rock into the Boucablin's face and

934
01:03:54.639 --> 01:03:59.639
did damage. Like oh, I
didn't know you could do magic like at

935
01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:01.079
that point. And I would have
cast recall on the rock to send back

936
01:04:01.119 --> 01:04:04.880
at him. I always forget I
have recalled. That's the one. So

937
01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:10.840
this far into the game, I
will say recall is the true like the

938
01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:15.199
really overpowered ability in this game.
Really you can so again, this gets

939
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:17.159
into gameplay spoilers. I'm not gonna
spoil it all. I will say,

940
01:04:17.719 --> 01:04:20.679
let's circle back next episode and see
if you've done cool shit with recall,

941
01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:25.320
because I think just on a surface
level, you're like, oh, it

942
01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:28.280
just rewinds stuff. You could send
explosive barrels back at moblins who threw it.

943
01:04:28.360 --> 01:04:31.119
But it's like no, no,
no, no. Recall can help

944
01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:34.800
you cheat so many ways in this
game, Like it makes many shrines like

945
01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:39.800
that recall became one of my life. It's ultra hand plus recall. The

946
01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:43.239
way you can combine them became kind
of my Like, I don't know how

947
01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:45.320
to do the shrine. I'm just
gonna fucking cheat and use recall. I

948
01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:48.039
guess you can, right, Because
as long as you can use hand to

949
01:04:48.199 --> 01:04:53.119
move something and then you can use
recall to bring it back back, you

950
01:04:53.199 --> 01:04:58.519
can make it anywhere. Ultra handed
up to allege, go back down to

951
01:04:58.559 --> 01:05:00.360
the ground, ultra handed back up, and then casse recall on it.

952
01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:05.079
Get on the platform. It's an
elevator, but also the UM, the

953
01:05:05.199 --> 01:05:11.480
gliders, the wing gliders UM you
get a zone item, you get several

954
01:05:11.599 --> 01:05:14.639
zone items later that let you take
off from any surface. However, early

955
01:05:14.719 --> 01:05:17.920
on in the Skylands in there totorializing
it, it's on those rails it needs

956
01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:23.480
like a runway. Early on,
people are using recall. Similarly, they're

957
01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:27.079
used their ultra handing it, sending
it like ten feet out and then pulling

958
01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:30.840
it back and then and then it
launches it. Then by the time you're

959
01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:33.400
on it, you're flying because the
fans you've turned the fans on or you

960
01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:38.920
have the steering stick. Um.
It took me a while to train myself

961
01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:41.320
to use a send because like,
there were so many times I would just

962
01:05:41.360 --> 01:05:43.599
be in a place or like a
puzzle where it's like how am I going

963
01:05:43.639 --> 01:05:45.039
to get into this room? And
I'm like looking all around it, like

964
01:05:45.079 --> 01:05:47.559
I can't figure out how a good
end it, and there's like fucking hang

965
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:50.360
on a second, Oh okay,
I go under it and then up and

966
01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:56.920
oh fucking in a cave. Yeah, And you're like so in interviewing the

967
01:05:56.960 --> 01:06:00.239
two devs, it turns out ascend
was a ridge only a debug dev cheat

968
01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:04.760
because they were all sick of having
to exit caves normally. So then they

969
01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:08.360
were using that to ascend through mountains
and they're like, we should just give

970
01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:11.840
the players this ability, and then
they did. How crazy is if they're

971
01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:15.280
like they have to design the like
they haven't changed that much. That is

972
01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:18.960
fucking incredible. But like imagine,
like I like cheating and I was getting

973
01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:23.000
annoyed at the backtrack through caves,
and then Fujibayashi, the director, was

974
01:06:23.079 --> 01:06:26.119
like, oh, I've been using
this cheat when I've been playtesting it myself

975
01:06:26.119 --> 01:06:28.679
in my office. Let's hear use
this. And then I knew was like,

976
01:06:29.679 --> 01:06:31.079
why don't we just let players do
this? He's like, we'll have

977
01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:33.880
to change quite a lot. He's
like, yeah, let's do it.

978
01:06:34.440 --> 01:06:40.239
But I think that's really cool that
they essentially realized that they were doing something

979
01:06:40.280 --> 01:06:43.840
and it was fun and that that
trumped a lot of other things. Oh

980
01:06:43.880 --> 01:06:48.760
yeah, they pick fun. And
that's the consistent thing with Nintendo games is

981
01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:54.440
they're they're not worried about breaking it. They're not worried about whether or not

982
01:06:55.079 --> 01:06:59.760
you were skirting the rules or whether
it's done it intentionally. They asked them

983
01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:01.719
elves, was it fun? And
then it kind of lead with that.

984
01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:04.119
But then but then they also added
They're like, well, what if you

985
01:07:04.199 --> 01:07:08.159
come up in the middle of a
group of enemies or underwater, and that's

986
01:07:08.199 --> 01:07:12.079
like, well, give them the
option to like peek out like Danny DeVito

987
01:07:12.320 --> 01:07:15.000
naked out of the leather couch and
sunny and then down. It took me

988
01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:23.320
like sixty hours to realize I could
reverse it mid swim. I didn't have

989
01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:25.400
to wait. Yeah, you could
just press be at any point and he'll

990
01:07:25.400 --> 01:07:28.480
go. He'll be swimming and then
he'll do the spin downward. There's not

991
01:07:28.599 --> 01:07:31.480
many times you need that. It's
just like there's a couple of times where

992
01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:35.400
I was trying to get into a
chamber like above me, but not go

993
01:07:35.559 --> 01:07:39.559
all the way to the surface.
There's a certain part where you're under like

994
01:07:40.400 --> 01:07:44.239
X whatever, y Z, and
I was like, oh, he's swimming

995
01:07:44.239 --> 01:07:47.920
way too long. That's definitely like
a disguised loading screen, because um,

996
01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:51.719
sometimes you go through a really thin
surface and it won't go into like the

997
01:07:51.960 --> 01:07:57.360
ethereal swimming realm, or other times
it'll take a while. But there's a

998
01:07:57.400 --> 01:07:59.559
few times Whe'm like, okay,
this should be a thin surface if I'm

999
01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:00.760
getting to where I want to be, and then he'll be swimming for a

1000
01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:02.639
while, I'm like nope, I
missed, and then go back down.

1001
01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:09.440
Um yeah, ascend took a long
time to let you wrap my head around

1002
01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:14.719
how crazy is it that this game
lets you break it in fun ways and

1003
01:08:14.840 --> 01:08:16.880
also have so many like physics and
things like that involved, but it never

1004
01:08:17.079 --> 01:08:19.359
feels like I think about a lot
of other games that have a bunch of

1005
01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:23.520
like physics stuff, there's always the
point where a body raged, all's out,

1006
01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:26.800
all fucking weird, or something gets
stuck in the geometry or something just

1007
01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:30.359
breaks up. I haven't seen that. That Nintendo polish is just like they

1008
01:08:30.439 --> 01:08:34.720
are letting you do so much and
it always seems like it's just doing what

1009
01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:39.079
it's supposed to do. Yeah,
the worst thing I saw is frame drops,

1010
01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:41.159
but like, sure, but that's
a perform that's the hardware thing.

1011
01:08:41.239 --> 01:08:46.840
That's well, so that's apparently it's
such a simple piece of hardware, it's

1012
01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:53.680
ridiculous. The simplest city of the
of the Switch Now apparently also this game

1013
01:08:54.640 --> 01:08:58.840
they've been using this is the engine
since Twilight Princess. They've been using this

1014
01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:02.119
no Ship, which is you know, there was a guy who's like really

1015
01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:08.640
into graphics that was like, I
hate this. I can't even have shadows

1016
01:09:08.720 --> 01:09:11.319
on the leaves. You guys are
killing me. And they were like,

1017
01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:14.520
I don't know, like we are
doing all this other cool stuff, you

1018
01:09:14.600 --> 01:09:17.359
know with water and you know gravity, and he was like, but I

1019
01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:23.319
can't. I can't have any type
of graphics in the rocks and they were

1020
01:09:23.359 --> 01:09:27.199
like, yeah, well you know
these. Yeah, it's just like no

1021
01:09:27.479 --> 01:09:30.560
graphic value. I mean I'll take
that right off any day of the week

1022
01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:32.159
though. Yeah. Yeah. But
speaking of that, it's like the little

1023
01:09:32.239 --> 01:09:36.720
things they do. It's funny that
Resival four remake during the demo period and

1024
01:09:36.920 --> 01:09:42.920
Resonal before you make fucking kicks ass. But there was that like heated fervor

1025
01:09:43.039 --> 01:09:45.720
from people. They're like, it's
so dumb that they painted the interactable breakable

1026
01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:50.399
objects yellow so you would know.
Um. We talked about that and Resident

1027
01:09:50.479 --> 01:09:56.720
Evil about how everything that is interactable
has yellow paint, which like the tomb

1028
01:09:56.800 --> 01:10:00.279
Raider method, you know, the
Assassin's creed, the yellow paint. It's

1029
01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:03.319
always like, we've helped you,
dumb dumbs. So it's funny now to

1030
01:10:03.359 --> 01:10:06.720
see Tears of the Kingdom. They
were talking on the Nintendo Dev blog about

1031
01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:12.720
the specific tiny things they do to
communicate that, and it's like if you

1032
01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:16.399
come up to a pile of Hudson's
wood, like those piles of wagon stuff,

1033
01:10:16.399 --> 01:10:18.760
it's like, if we don't if
we want players to know they can

1034
01:10:18.800 --> 01:10:21.199
interact with this one. We just
they just have those tarps over them,

1035
01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:26.119
and it still makes sense. It's
like pots. If you want to know

1036
01:10:26.199 --> 01:10:30.039
whether you can break a pot,
pots without the lid on it will break.

1037
01:10:30.159 --> 01:10:35.039
Pots with lids on them won't.
And it's like I never noticed that,

1038
01:10:35.159 --> 01:10:38.399
and then I started looking around for
pots with lids and I was like,

1039
01:10:38.439 --> 01:10:40.840
oh, weird. I never have
even tried to break those. For

1040
01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:44.439
some reason, they just don't look
hollow, and they like they found little

1041
01:10:44.439 --> 01:10:47.239
ways to communicate that stuff without like
splashing pain across it, which is just

1042
01:10:48.319 --> 01:10:54.439
this team. It's a bit more
immersion, diegetic or whatever you want.

1043
01:10:54.560 --> 01:10:58.199
Yeah, yeah, it allows you
to feel the escapism a little bit more.

1044
01:10:58.239 --> 01:11:02.600
And I know it is an easy
target to say, like so lame

1045
01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:08.880
to just put like yellow paint on
everything. We understand why they're doing it,

1046
01:11:09.079 --> 01:11:12.840
because it's extremely frustrating to try and
break everything in the room. Because

1047
01:11:12.880 --> 01:11:16.079
you want stuff, We get it. There should be a way to do

1048
01:11:16.199 --> 01:11:24.000
it just smoother that isn't yellow paint. And I actually genuinely think as like

1049
01:11:24.079 --> 01:11:27.520
an evolution, we're getting out of
the yellow paint era. We're getting to

1050
01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:30.319
a point where people don't want that
anymore. You have to find more organic

1051
01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:34.199
ways to tell me that I can
hit something or I can climb there that

1052
01:11:34.479 --> 01:11:39.800
isn't splashed paint. We're getting to
that point. Yeah, And it's like,

1053
01:11:42.319 --> 01:11:45.000
so, Mary, are you still? Are you off the sky islands

1054
01:11:45.039 --> 01:11:50.560
yet I dived. Another one of
the things that really affected my ego is

1055
01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:57.039
how often I was unable to land
in water. And I have died a

1056
01:11:57.159 --> 01:12:00.800
lot, And I was curious if
that's normal because it's like flat, like

1057
01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:04.520
what I was curious if you don't
like found open the glider, he like

1058
01:12:04.600 --> 01:12:08.640
rag dolls right when he hits the
ground, he rag dolls. So have

1059
01:12:08.760 --> 01:12:11.920
you ever done that with tomb Rader? If you ever see tomb Rader who

1060
01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:15.239
dives off of cliffs, if you
tive onto land, she's kind of like

1061
01:12:15.880 --> 01:12:19.640
just kind of like immediately crunches and
it's over. That's what he does,

1062
01:12:19.760 --> 01:12:24.840
and it's really upsetting. You get
I mean, you get the paraglider if

1063
01:12:24.840 --> 01:12:30.479
you follow the main quest a bit
farther. Yeah, yeah, and I

1064
01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:34.960
have it, But it's also really
easy to like dive and miss no,

1065
01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:42.880
no, no, you get the
water. I'm constantly just trying to hit

1066
01:12:43.039 --> 01:12:47.399
that water right right in the money
and I'm just shy. Happened like ten

1067
01:12:47.560 --> 01:12:51.720
times he was falling head first onto
rocks. Oh, I was so stressful,

1068
01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:55.880
and I was trying to like get
to an island there was a secret

1069
01:12:56.479 --> 01:12:59.119
and I was trying to get to
this secret island and I kept missing.

1070
01:13:00.279 --> 01:13:03.119
Very frustrating. But I think a
lot of that is just like user,

1071
01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:06.880
I'm learning and I'm getting frustrated with
myself. I don't think it's like a

1072
01:13:06.960 --> 01:13:14.840
game issue, just stressful to watch
your main character crunch himself, Like yeah,

1073
01:13:15.920 --> 01:13:18.600
I don't want to see it.
There's a lot of peril in that

1074
01:13:18.720 --> 01:13:21.640
game where it's like, oh,
I need to cross this like lava field

1075
01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:24.960
or whatever. It's like, all
right, I got two wheels and this

1076
01:13:25.159 --> 01:13:29.239
like this l block from Tetris or
whatever. I guess I'll just see if

1077
01:13:29.279 --> 01:13:35.640
this works. And it's like rotating
around, you're like fuck yeah, the

1078
01:13:35.880 --> 01:13:42.439
um some of them, especially when
you go on to the depths, things

1079
01:13:42.520 --> 01:13:46.199
get slightly dangerous down there, but
the Depths so fucking they took That's like

1080
01:13:46.359 --> 01:13:49.199
they took the dark world of Link
to the Past and made it like an

1081
01:13:49.279 --> 01:13:54.079
integral like not that to that extent, but it's like that kernel of an

1082
01:13:54.119 --> 01:13:57.159
idea. It's like what if there
was this like dark world aspect to it?

1083
01:13:57.279 --> 01:14:00.640
But then it's like if we if
we just did this three layer open

1084
01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:03.800
world. It's not just one open
world, it's like three and the way

1085
01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:06.319
they kind of interacted to each other
where it's like, Okay, there's this

1086
01:14:06.479 --> 01:14:10.079
route here, and then oh,
I've noticed a pattern of like directly above

1087
01:14:10.079 --> 01:14:12.399
the root, there's something in the
main and the name of the root is

1088
01:14:12.439 --> 01:14:15.319
just the shrine name backwards. Oh
I didn't realize that, I ask,

1089
01:14:15.039 --> 01:14:21.079
But also like the way that is, and I talked about this like quite

1090
01:14:21.119 --> 01:14:27.239
a bit in my review, but
it's like they're like, not any developer

1091
01:14:27.319 --> 01:14:31.119
could have done that three layer open
world. Good developers could probably find a

1092
01:14:31.159 --> 01:14:35.239
way to make that happen. What
sets this team even further apart is the

1093
01:14:35.319 --> 01:14:42.800
way that they use the game's economy
and systems to facilitate, like encourage you

1094
01:14:42.880 --> 01:14:45.800
to go between the layers. So
it's like to light up the underground because

1095
01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:48.800
it's all pitch black, well maybe
not pitch black in all areas until if

1096
01:14:48.800 --> 01:14:51.479
you're not near a grass or you
need bright bloom seeds. There are other

1097
01:14:51.560 --> 01:14:57.279
things. You can eat stuff that
makes you glow I you find other items

1098
01:14:57.399 --> 01:15:02.479
later in the game that makes early
stuff defunct. But bright bloom seeds to

1099
01:15:02.560 --> 01:15:08.399
light up the darkness only grow on
the surface in caves mainly, so you

1100
01:15:08.479 --> 01:15:13.079
got to go to the surface to
get bright bloom seeds to go investigate the

1101
01:15:13.159 --> 01:15:16.600
darkness. However, in the sky
islands, you might find a treasure map

1102
01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:19.760
and then the X that marks a
spot is in the depths. So it's

1103
01:15:19.800 --> 01:15:25.640
like they're doing so many little things
to cleverly get you to like make sure

1104
01:15:25.680 --> 01:15:29.239
that those layers depend on one another
and are not just like these three separate

1105
01:15:29.359 --> 01:15:33.199
things they feel like one thing.
It's like you fucking skydive off an island

1106
01:15:33.199 --> 01:15:36.680
to high role, and then you
skydive again, like just as far into

1107
01:15:36.760 --> 01:15:40.800
the ground. It's awesome. It
gives you a reason too, like none

1108
01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:44.560
of it feels superfluous or like something
you should ignore. Like every time I've

1109
01:15:44.600 --> 01:15:46.800
gotten a treasure map and it's marked
a place in the depths, every time

1110
01:15:46.840 --> 01:15:49.560
I've gotten something, I've been like, oh, okay, that's actually really

1111
01:15:49.640 --> 01:15:53.920
useful, because like if I have
one complaint so far about it. And

1112
01:15:54.239 --> 01:15:58.399
this also tracked with the breadth of
wild is that like I like getting every

1113
01:15:58.439 --> 01:16:00.640
treasure test. You know, if
I see a treasure chest, I want

1114
01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:02.000
to get it, And like that
goes for every single shrine. I don't

1115
01:16:02.039 --> 01:16:04.760
go to the accident until I have
the bonus one, and so like I'll

1116
01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:09.920
spend sometimes like an especially tricky physics
one or something, ten minutes fifteen minutes

1117
01:16:10.199 --> 01:16:13.520
just trying to get the physics right
to knock this ball into this target or

1118
01:16:13.560 --> 01:16:15.359
whatever. And then it's like,
okay, great, treasure chest it's an

1119
01:16:15.399 --> 01:16:17.840
elixir, and it's like, okay, well, great, I got a

1120
01:16:17.880 --> 01:16:20.840
thing that'll make me faster for two
minutes. You know. It's like I

1121
01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:25.159
know that the joy is in the
actual doing, but it's like it is

1122
01:16:25.239 --> 01:16:27.840
kind of a like fart at the
end of it. Not the destination,

1123
01:16:28.479 --> 01:16:30.760
it's no, but it's like,
you know, you do get kind of

1124
01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:35.000
trained playing every fucking Zelda. It's
like the friends you met along low Agg.

1125
01:16:35.319 --> 01:16:39.199
You know, I'm not the journey
is very good, but I like

1126
01:16:39.560 --> 01:16:43.359
getting something at the end of but
I want a sixth sword Mary. It's

1127
01:16:43.399 --> 01:16:48.760
like, you know, yeah,
it was like in oh Paul, I've

1128
01:16:48.800 --> 01:16:56.960
only seen that word in Zelza say
it again, open, Oh Paul,

1129
01:16:57.439 --> 01:17:02.079
Oh Paul, what is it like
a jewelry thing? It's a gem?

1130
01:17:02.279 --> 01:17:09.079
Yeah, okay, up, it's
like a like emerald ruby opal. Yeah,

1131
01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:14.119
there's no emeralds in like that's your
trawler. Just for the record,

1132
01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:17.359
I don't say trawler. I don't
run into in my day to day life.

1133
01:17:17.399 --> 01:17:21.399
I don't have a reason to say
it. I don't run into giraffes

1134
01:17:21.439 --> 01:17:25.359
in my day to day life.
I don't call it. So I bought

1135
01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:30.039
her a gorgeous ring covered in opals. Look, honey, what do you

1136
01:17:30.119 --> 01:17:34.800
call them? Opals? Op opals? I found an opal. Okay,

1137
01:17:35.000 --> 01:17:39.000
there you go. That's exactly how
I said it, with that intonation everything.

1138
01:17:39.119 --> 01:17:43.279
Yeah, it would be like I'm
gonna eat this nice red juicy apal

1139
01:17:46.439 --> 01:17:55.039
palace, a pal juice spider roast
me up a new new having appal juice,

1140
01:17:55.079 --> 01:17:59.920
and the little lady. We're having
our range and then we've been up.

1141
01:17:59.920 --> 01:18:06.479
The thing about Tears of the Kingdom
that I also really like with the

1142
01:18:06.560 --> 01:18:12.439
Depths is that it does really feel
like when you're going into some late game

1143
01:18:12.479 --> 01:18:17.079
areas down there. They do a
great job of like almost like it reminds

1144
01:18:17.119 --> 01:18:19.560
me of how we talked about Resumel
seven. When you know you need to

1145
01:18:19.560 --> 01:18:24.840
go into the basement at that one
part, it's almost like the revelation that

1146
01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:28.000
you need to go down there is
scarier than going down there itself. In

1147
01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:30.119
a similar way, the depths when
there's some late game areas, like they

1148
01:18:30.199 --> 01:18:34.159
really make it feel like you have
to prepare to go down there, Like

1149
01:18:35.159 --> 01:18:39.680
it's like I need this supply,
I need that I need. It's like

1150
01:18:39.760 --> 01:18:42.920
not even like necessarily knowing there's a
lionel down there's something. It's like,

1151
01:18:43.439 --> 01:18:46.079
it does feel like an excursion to
go down there. It's not usually a

1152
01:18:46.119 --> 01:18:50.720
place you just like you wander into
willy nilly. Yeah, And it's a

1153
01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:55.920
gradual realization of just how in depth
it is where it's like the first time

1154
01:18:55.960 --> 01:18:57.920
you see the chasm, it's like, oh, I wonder what's in here.

1155
01:18:58.039 --> 01:18:59.880
It's like a fuck, I'm falling
for a while. Is is normal?

1156
01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:03.279
The horns? Yeah? Yeah,
yeah, And you're looking at it

1157
01:19:03.319 --> 01:19:05.720
like what the fuck is this?
Like this like a cave And the first

1158
01:19:05.760 --> 01:19:10.239
time you get the seed or the
root and it just lights that up and

1159
01:19:10.279 --> 01:19:13.159
it's like another section in your map. It's like, hang on the ceiling

1160
01:19:13.800 --> 01:19:17.359
map like ceiling. Yeah, it's
like unsettling, there's that much space down

1161
01:19:17.399 --> 01:19:19.920
there. I'm talking to Bank about
it, and she mentioned that, like

1162
01:19:20.039 --> 01:19:23.640
that is almost like a new idea
of like since Elden Ring of like,

1163
01:19:24.039 --> 01:19:26.560
wait, is there a map below
the map? That's fucking crazy And this

1164
01:19:26.680 --> 01:19:30.920
makes elden Rings like elden Rings map
is like secluded areas compared to this is

1165
01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:35.279
just like another high rule, but
it's all a lot of stuff is mirrored.

1166
01:19:35.359 --> 01:19:40.159
So it's like again, it's like
the dark world idea, but put

1167
01:19:40.279 --> 01:19:44.439
into an open world organically. And
then also there's a sky and also you

1168
01:19:44.560 --> 01:19:46.640
can just like build what everywhere like
it. This is a fucking craze,

1169
01:19:46.680 --> 01:19:49.680
like the idea of like open world
game. This is like we need a

1170
01:19:49.720 --> 01:19:51.880
new term for this. Yeah,
yeah, it's open world, but it's

1171
01:19:51.880 --> 01:19:57.199
just like the sheer possibilities and the
breadth of the open world is just unparalleled.

1172
01:19:57.720 --> 01:20:04.119
Yeah, and it's like that I'm
not tired of playing it at all

1173
01:20:04.359 --> 01:20:09.720
yet I've seen so little the maps
still, or I've seen most I've seen

1174
01:20:09.840 --> 01:20:13.439
most of the maps general. How
many hours? Sorry, like a hundred

1175
01:20:13.479 --> 01:20:15.720
and ten? I mean, can
I ask you then a question, which

1176
01:20:15.840 --> 01:20:20.960
is like, are you avoiding finishing
the game? Which is what I did

1177
01:20:21.119 --> 01:20:29.600
when we for review. I finished
the story pretty sixty five seventy hours.

1178
01:20:29.640 --> 01:20:31.600
It took me, I think sixty
five seventy hours to finish the game.

1179
01:20:32.039 --> 01:20:34.640
Yeah, I'm being hyperbolic when I
say I haven't seen most of the map.

1180
01:20:34.720 --> 01:20:38.600
It's like I've seen, generally speaking, most of it. The depths

1181
01:20:38.680 --> 01:20:42.520
I have not. I've only I've
only lit up like a third of the

1182
01:20:42.600 --> 01:20:45.720
depths. Probably there are some big
areas you go to and find some really

1183
01:20:45.760 --> 01:20:49.279
cool shit down there. But in
terms of like, and this is just

1184
01:20:49.359 --> 01:20:55.319
like a result of playing it for
review, I wasn't indulging every single distraction

1185
01:20:55.760 --> 01:20:58.640
at a certain point, and I'm
like, I see that trying over there

1186
01:20:59.159 --> 01:21:02.439
like three DS away. I'll do
it later. But like the Sky I

1187
01:21:02.600 --> 01:21:06.560
haven't. I've spent so little time
in the Sky Islands compared to what I

1188
01:21:06.640 --> 01:21:10.399
thought I would be based on the
marketing, because it's like, oh no,

1189
01:21:10.439 --> 01:21:13.399
I've spent more time in the depths, but the Sky Islands you get

1190
01:21:13.439 --> 01:21:16.520
some cool stuff up there. But
I gotta see you mentioning playing it for

1191
01:21:16.560 --> 01:21:19.960
review and not like you know,
going on every whim every distraction, like

1192
01:21:20.119 --> 01:21:24.359
it makes me think about This is
different than you know, Breadth of Wild,

1193
01:21:24.439 --> 01:21:26.920
which I got early, and I
was doing those sixteen hour days trying

1194
01:21:26.960 --> 01:21:30.000
to make sure I did as much
as possible before the review and Bargo versus

1195
01:21:30.079 --> 01:21:32.680
this, which I got on release
day, you know, And I think

1196
01:21:32.720 --> 01:21:36.399
I am for all the complaining I
do about being in Nintendo jail as Giant

1197
01:21:36.399 --> 01:21:41.600
Bomb is, actually think I'm liking
playing it more this way because there's no

1198
01:21:42.079 --> 01:21:45.640
pressure, there's no time limit.
I am playing it when I have time,

1199
01:21:45.800 --> 01:21:48.119
and I am indulging every distraction.
Like every time I sit down to

1200
01:21:48.199 --> 01:21:51.439
play, I'm just like, okay, um, looks like when I saved

1201
01:21:51.560 --> 01:21:54.960
last time, I was facing this
way, Let's go that way. Oh,

1202
01:21:54.960 --> 01:21:56.960
okay, looks like I'm going towards
that yellow dot. Oh. But

1203
01:21:57.239 --> 01:21:59.800
this is here, This is here, and I'm really just taking my time

1204
01:21:59.840 --> 01:22:02.279
with it, and I feel like
that's the more natural way to play.

1205
01:22:02.279 --> 01:22:05.319
I think that's more indicative of how
most people play these games, and I

1206
01:22:05.479 --> 01:22:10.119
have found it more rewarding than just
like this is my entire week. As

1207
01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:13.560
I'm playing this all day every day, this feels better and I think it's

1208
01:22:13.600 --> 01:22:15.920
going to stretch it out for like
I could see myself playing this for months,

1209
01:22:15.039 --> 01:22:18.039
you know. Yeah, And there
were definitely stretches where I was playing

1210
01:22:18.239 --> 01:22:21.159
just like I normally would like kind
of have to for a review just so

1211
01:22:21.279 --> 01:22:27.119
you know what the gameplay flow feels
like. But yeah, I definitely finished

1212
01:22:27.159 --> 01:22:29.840
the story earlier than I probably would
have if I wasn't reviewing it. But

1213
01:22:30.079 --> 01:22:38.279
there's just a lot that I still
want to do, like not just like,

1214
01:22:38.359 --> 01:22:40.359
oh, I want to keep exploring
and find stuff, dudes, Like,

1215
01:22:40.399 --> 01:22:43.199
I have ten things I know I
want to do, and I'm sure

1216
01:22:43.239 --> 01:22:48.840
I'll get distracted at some point many
times. Yeah, man, I like

1217
01:22:48.920 --> 01:22:53.199
that game a bit. I'm excited
to dive into a little bit more.

1218
01:22:53.199 --> 01:22:59.199
I've found that it's my evening Rustum's
game because the switch is so convenient,

1219
01:22:59.399 --> 01:23:01.840
it's really able to just be my
nightstand. I can play it for a

1220
01:23:01.840 --> 01:23:05.039
couple of hours, like right as
I get ready for bed. It's like

1221
01:23:05.159 --> 01:23:10.520
this nice thing I can enjoy,
like a book, you know, as

1222
01:23:10.600 --> 01:23:15.760
you go to sleep at night.
It's such a casual, relaxing experience,

1223
01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:17.359
and there's always something that you can
say, hey, I'll get to hear

1224
01:23:17.479 --> 01:23:20.199
and then I'll call it for the
night. There's a million of those.

1225
01:23:20.359 --> 01:23:24.399
There's always like nice achievable things.
It's like a book with short chapter so

1226
01:23:24.479 --> 01:23:27.600
it makes you feel really smart when
you read it well, and it's it's

1227
01:23:27.640 --> 01:23:30.640
like I've been playing at Night a
lot too, and like a lot of

1228
01:23:30.720 --> 01:23:31.600
my favorite games, it just that
thing where it's like, oh, I

1229
01:23:31.640 --> 01:23:35.000
started playing at ten, I've been
playing for a while. What time is

1230
01:23:35.039 --> 01:23:38.560
It's probably like eleven thirty and I
look down and it's like one forty and

1231
01:23:38.600 --> 01:23:41.960
I'm like, what the fuck?
Like that to me is such an indicator

1232
01:23:41.960 --> 01:23:45.039
that're like, Okay, I am
lost in this world in the best way.

1233
01:23:45.399 --> 01:23:47.119
Yeah. Like that so rarely happens, and it's I think it's a

1234
01:23:47.199 --> 01:23:51.840
very special thing when it does.
Yeah, And it's it's funny like how

1235
01:23:51.920 --> 01:23:57.600
many new layers start to unfold as
you're playing it and getting farther in,

1236
01:23:57.720 --> 01:24:01.359
whether it's like doing a big story
be or just like again now, I'm

1237
01:24:01.399 --> 01:24:05.239
just absolutely in love with Recall and
I can't believe there's so many situations where

1238
01:24:05.239 --> 01:24:11.920
I should have been using it that
like I'm not that that is the stuff.

1239
01:24:12.720 --> 01:24:15.319
I don't usually mind spoilers, but
like that's the stuff I don't even

1240
01:24:15.399 --> 01:24:19.319
want to tell you about, because
that's the stuff you stumbling like, oh

1241
01:24:19.439 --> 01:24:25.600
my god. And they do so
many little things in this game. It

1242
01:24:25.720 --> 01:24:29.520
does such a good job of making
it feel like they're not watching, like

1243
01:24:29.640 --> 01:24:32.439
you're getting away with something, you're
cheating. But then there's these little reminders

1244
01:24:32.479 --> 01:24:35.279
that they're like, now we're really
good at this. Like you do a

1245
01:24:35.399 --> 01:24:42.439
shrine that teaches you how to use
recall to ride something back up to elevate

1246
01:24:42.479 --> 01:24:46.479
yourself, and then as you emerge
from the shrine you complete it, there's

1247
01:24:46.479 --> 01:24:49.399
the stone archway in front of you
that a chunk breaks off of and falls

1248
01:24:49.439 --> 01:24:53.119
down. It's like, oh,
now they're trying to teach you further.

1249
01:24:53.239 --> 01:24:56.479
It's like, what you just learned
the shrine. You can get up to

1250
01:24:56.600 --> 01:24:59.720
Skyland's by casting recall on one of
these rocks, or get up to that

1251
01:25:00.079 --> 01:25:03.159
like something breaks off and falls Consider
that an elevate. You got to think

1252
01:25:03.239 --> 01:25:06.640
in reverse, Like the way this
game is kind of making you change how

1253
01:25:06.680 --> 01:25:13.479
you think about space and physics is
it's incredible. And also like just like

1254
01:25:13.680 --> 01:25:16.119
one other thing before I forget,
it's Breath of the Wild is very much

1255
01:25:16.119 --> 01:25:20.359
if I was in the Hebrew region
and I came across a big canyon where

1256
01:25:20.359 --> 01:25:24.560
I saw interesting stuff going on down
there. Maybe it was campfires with bo

1257
01:25:24.680 --> 01:25:28.079
cobblins or a couple NPCs I wanted
to talk to, or I could see

1258
01:25:28.199 --> 01:25:31.880
like a coroc thing from a distance, like whereas Breath of the Wild I

1259
01:25:31.960 --> 01:25:35.079
would have been like, I really
don't want to go down there yet.

1260
01:25:35.079 --> 01:25:39.239
I don't have the stamina or the
clothes to climb back up out. Now

1261
01:25:39.359 --> 01:25:41.680
It's like, Oh, I see
some outcrops. I'll use a send on

1262
01:25:41.720 --> 01:25:43.880
those, so fuck yeah, let's
get in there. Let's go dive down.

1263
01:25:43.960 --> 01:25:47.119
It's like we like, verticality is
one of those things we talk about

1264
01:25:47.119 --> 01:25:50.479
all the time in game design,
and I think it gets like misused this

1265
01:25:50.680 --> 01:25:55.039
game. They like really were like, how do we make verticality like an

1266
01:25:55.119 --> 01:25:57.720
integral part of this Game's like,
Oh, we'll do three open worlds on

1267
01:25:57.800 --> 01:26:00.760
top of one another, and also
we'll have abilities, like we'll have ways

1268
01:26:00.840 --> 01:26:05.239
to plummet from one to the other
and then also like get quickly from one

1269
01:26:05.279 --> 01:26:09.720
to another. What if these towers
just like catapult you into the sky so

1270
01:26:09.880 --> 01:26:14.880
you can float around. Well,
It's crazy how they guide you without guiding

1271
01:26:14.920 --> 01:26:16.680
you, Like I never feel like
it's telling me like, hey, you

1272
01:26:16.760 --> 01:26:20.359
need to do this, then do
this, Like I have this fear sometimes

1273
01:26:20.439 --> 01:26:25.159
that like, oh I'm going to
not like Okay, for instance, these

1274
01:26:25.760 --> 01:26:29.680
frogs that I've been killing drop these
little snowflake things and I have no idea

1275
01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:32.680
where the gems. Yeah, I've
been playing for like fifteen twenty hours.

1276
01:26:32.840 --> 01:26:35.479
I have no idea what they do. And I always have this fear that

1277
01:26:35.640 --> 01:26:39.680
like, oh crap, like what
if that is an integral thing that's really

1278
01:26:39.720 --> 01:26:42.319
gonna help my enjoyment of the game, or something I really need for stuff

1279
01:26:42.520 --> 01:26:46.000
and I'm not finding it. But
then I remember, like I've never actually

1280
01:26:46.079 --> 01:26:50.279
like all the things you actually need, like the paraglider. It's not like

1281
01:26:50.640 --> 01:26:55.399
Bret the Wild where you can't leave
the Great Plateau without the paraglider. You

1282
01:26:55.600 --> 01:26:59.000
could miss the paraglider. But everyone
I've talked to this playing this game,

1283
01:26:59.199 --> 01:27:02.000
no one did. And it's like
it is guiding you in certain places like

1284
01:27:02.079 --> 01:27:04.279
Okay, go to this you know, look out or whatever and talk to

1285
01:27:04.359 --> 01:27:09.960
this character, and it is just
directing you without explicitly directing you all the

1286
01:27:10.039 --> 01:27:12.199
time. You know what I mean, yeah, yeah, because you don't

1287
01:27:12.239 --> 01:27:15.920
know that doing Paro's Quest is going
to get you the paraglider and unlock the

1288
01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:18.359
method for doing sky view towers,
right, But I haven't. I haven't

1289
01:27:18.399 --> 01:27:20.720
met or talked to a single person
that said like, oh, I've been

1290
01:27:20.760 --> 01:27:24.039
playing ten hours, I don't have
the paraglider, like everyone gets it,

1291
01:27:24.399 --> 01:27:27.239
you know, and so like I
every time, I'm worrying that like,

1292
01:27:27.319 --> 01:27:30.600
oh god, I'm probably missing some
huge thing. I just kind of put

1293
01:27:30.720 --> 01:27:33.279
my faith in the developers and they're
like, m I think I'm gonna find

1294
01:27:33.319 --> 01:27:36.399
it one way or another. You
know, Yeah, that's that's you'd think

1295
01:27:36.439 --> 01:27:41.439
it would be frustrating. But like, again, I don't know how many

1296
01:27:41.520 --> 01:27:44.880
dozens of hours in I was like
there was one And again, I'm not

1297
01:27:44.920 --> 01:27:46.560
going to spoil how they work,
because that's kind of those of the spoilers.

1298
01:27:46.640 --> 01:27:49.680
I don't want to ruin for people. It's like there's one zone ie

1299
01:27:49.720 --> 01:27:54.159
device, one zone e item.
I'm like, how the what is this

1300
01:27:54.399 --> 01:27:59.560
thing? I genuinely don't even understand
what Like it feels as if a caveman

1301
01:28:00.359 --> 01:28:08.960
has come across like a like a
spoon and didn't know what it was for

1302
01:28:09.279 --> 01:28:11.920
it's like, what the fuck is
to me? And you? It's extremely

1303
01:28:12.000 --> 01:28:15.079
simple. I'm so curious which one
you're talking about. But now it's like

1304
01:28:15.279 --> 01:28:17.239
but then I was like, I
don't understand how these work. Oh it's

1305
01:28:17.279 --> 01:28:20.960
making a weird noise and it's doing
something weird. They clearly want me to

1306
01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:23.680
figure some I was like, I
don't know. And then I found a

1307
01:28:23.720 --> 01:28:28.239
shrine in like far east High Rule
Field. Hypothetically, I don't I'm not

1308
01:28:28.319 --> 01:28:30.560
saying this where it is. It's
somewhere. It's like, because I didn't

1309
01:28:30.560 --> 01:28:33.680
travel east right away, I didn't
come across the shrine that would have showed

1310
01:28:33.720 --> 01:28:36.960
me what these are. Sure,
I could have been making some stuff with

1311
01:28:38.079 --> 01:28:41.880
them, but like I got here
and I succeeded up till this point,

1312
01:28:41.920 --> 01:28:45.880
so clearly again they weren't necessary.
But now that I know how they work,

1313
01:28:45.960 --> 01:28:50.039
holy shit, I'm thinking about construction
completely differently. And yeah, to

1314
01:28:50.159 --> 01:28:54.359
Mary's points, like, I'm not
gonna make anything like breathtaking, but like

1315
01:28:54.560 --> 01:28:59.359
it will help me do some at
least. I'm like doing the theory crafting

1316
01:28:59.399 --> 01:29:00.560
when I'm not play which I think
is fun too. I'll be in the

1317
01:29:00.600 --> 01:29:05.319
shower and be like, oh,
I didn't even consider that, Like they're

1318
01:29:05.359 --> 01:29:10.039
shit, like you get and the
game does a good job of Like Mary,

1319
01:29:10.079 --> 01:29:13.640
if this is any comfort, It's
like, there are ways you can

1320
01:29:14.560 --> 01:29:20.319
find blueprints schematics that kind of guide
you toward ideas, but by and large,

1321
01:29:20.359 --> 01:29:26.560
it's very much like, yeah,
I'll have these like revelations where I'll

1322
01:29:26.600 --> 01:29:29.359
be like, oh my god,
run back to this room to try it,

1323
01:29:29.520 --> 01:29:33.239
and the brilliance this game could put
the wheel up my ass. Yeah,

1324
01:29:33.640 --> 01:29:39.079
I should have just been boning myself
this whole time. Such a waste

1325
01:29:39.560 --> 01:29:43.319
of a game, and so much
of the time Nintendo's like, yeah,

1326
01:29:43.359 --> 01:29:45.039
you can do that, and I
was like, oh my god, I

1327
01:29:45.039 --> 01:29:46.039
didn't even think of that. But
yeah, there's certain items. I'm like,

1328
01:29:46.800 --> 01:29:48.640
how is this going to help me? But then I was like,

1329
01:29:48.760 --> 01:29:54.560
oh, I can make a fucking
laser turret with if I combined these four

1330
01:29:54.680 --> 01:29:58.039
things. That's not a spoil.
It's like you can make most things.

1331
01:29:58.159 --> 01:30:02.960
But yeah, it's there's a lot
and it's funny, dude. Talking to

1332
01:30:03.000 --> 01:30:08.119
my coworkers who had code as well. At first all of us were like,

1333
01:30:08.720 --> 01:30:12.800
I'm worried I just cheated that shrine
and did not do what they wanted

1334
01:30:12.840 --> 01:30:15.720
me to do, so that's the
worry. It's like, my even this

1335
01:30:15.880 --> 01:30:20.239
far in, when I do a
shrine and I the shrines, you can

1336
01:30:20.319 --> 01:30:25.560
solve many ways. Many of the
shrines you could solve a handful of ways,

1337
01:30:26.319 --> 01:30:30.479
because the shrines are usually a tutorial
for how to use a certain item

1338
01:30:30.560 --> 01:30:34.359
this way, the only worry I
have is that, fuck, I don't

1339
01:30:34.880 --> 01:30:38.920
I feel like there's a crucial mechanic
in this game that I didn't learn there,

1340
01:30:40.239 --> 01:30:43.479
But again, the game is good
enough to not make it necessary.

1341
01:30:44.199 --> 01:30:46.560
It's just really cool to know my
appreciation deepens for the game every time I

1342
01:30:46.600 --> 01:30:51.960
play it. I wouldn't say I'm
like having as much fun one hundred ten

1343
01:30:53.000 --> 01:30:57.439
hours in as I was at like
twenty five, but my appreciation continues to

1344
01:30:57.560 --> 01:31:00.039
be, like, I'm more impressed
every time I play it. Do you

1345
01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:04.880
think that this game has legs like
a Minecraft in the sense I know you

1346
01:31:05.000 --> 01:31:10.640
compared it to that earlier, which
is just the ability to construct and make

1347
01:31:10.720 --> 01:31:15.840
your own things becomes its own game
right. The ability to make this what

1348
01:31:15.079 --> 01:31:21.880
you want has endless opportunity. But
does this game have that type of length

1349
01:31:23.000 --> 01:31:25.159
to it? Or do you think
you're reaching the end of your time.

1350
01:31:25.920 --> 01:31:29.680
No, I mean I I do
think I need a bit of a break,

1351
01:31:29.920 --> 01:31:31.840
But that's just like anything you play
for one hundred ten hours I think

1352
01:31:31.880 --> 01:31:34.880
I will. To be clear,
I don't remember the last time I played

1353
01:31:34.880 --> 01:31:39.960
a game for well, total war
work like strategy rare that I would play

1354
01:31:40.000 --> 01:31:43.159
it put that many hours into a
game. Strategy games I play a lot

1355
01:31:43.279 --> 01:31:45.760
like. But that's like throughout several
years, I definitely will be playing this

1356
01:31:45.960 --> 01:31:48.319
a lot more. Just right now, I kind of need a break.

1357
01:31:48.479 --> 01:31:54.600
But it was talking to the devs, they were like they knew from the

1358
01:31:54.760 --> 01:31:57.039
start when they first sat down and
make this game that they were going to

1359
01:31:57.199 --> 01:32:03.720
tweak or alter recontent actualized Breath of
the Wilds world. They also knew that

1360
01:32:04.079 --> 01:32:10.520
they really liked throughout playtesting Breath of
the Wild like the emergent shit that happens

1361
01:32:10.600 --> 01:32:13.399
from the ruinabilities. So they're like, let's just go hard on that.

1362
01:32:13.720 --> 01:32:15.800
And like the idea came out,
it's like, let's just give players cheat

1363
01:32:15.840 --> 01:32:19.159
codes, like let them know clip
from the beginning of the game, let

1364
01:32:19.239 --> 01:32:25.199
them reverse items along their trajectory and
make those items indestructible as well. For

1365
01:32:25.279 --> 01:32:29.800
the most part, let's make them
let's let them craft stuff. It's like,

1366
01:32:30.199 --> 01:32:31.520
this might be too much. I
think we're giving players too much freedom.

1367
01:32:31.600 --> 01:32:36.600
But then they started to see these
slow the drizzle and then the waterfall

1368
01:32:36.800 --> 01:32:41.760
of Breath of the Wild, like
YouTube videos of like, hey, did

1369
01:32:41.800 --> 01:32:44.960
you know you could do this?
And they're like that gave them confidence.

1370
01:32:45.399 --> 01:32:48.760
So while I don't think they designed
the game specifically to be this reddit social

1371
01:32:48.880 --> 01:32:54.960
media phenomenon, they knew it was
going to be, but I do think

1372
01:32:55.000 --> 01:32:58.159
it has legs. Maybe not on
the level of Minecraft, because Minecraft is

1373
01:32:58.199 --> 01:33:01.319
designed to just be kind of infinite
with whatever you want to do and make,

1374
01:33:02.199 --> 01:33:06.199
and this like just by definition as
an action adventure game, well it

1375
01:33:06.359 --> 01:33:11.279
is just a bit more limited than
Minecraft. But it's still if people are

1376
01:33:11.319 --> 01:33:15.439
making like orbital lasers already, or
there's one I saw on Reddit the other

1377
01:33:15.520 --> 01:33:18.880
day that I'm like, I did
try making something like that. This player

1378
01:33:18.960 --> 01:33:21.920
definitely finessed it way more than I
did. But I was like, oh,

1379
01:33:21.960 --> 01:33:25.680
I made a bomber plane to drop
bombs, but I was like,

1380
01:33:26.279 --> 01:33:30.359
right, but how do I get
the bombs to release from it? And

1381
01:33:30.560 --> 01:33:33.600
then again I found another new ZONEI
device that I had not found, the

1382
01:33:33.640 --> 01:33:36.760
dispenser for yet or the Shrine for
it was like, oh my god,

1383
01:33:36.840 --> 01:33:41.560
this can release the bombs if I'm
over enemies or whatever. So like,

1384
01:33:41.640 --> 01:33:45.159
but I see people on Reddit doing
this stuff and it's like my theory crafting

1385
01:33:45.279 --> 01:33:49.239
meets what they're making, and I'm
like, I do think this game like

1386
01:33:49.960 --> 01:33:55.560
similar to how there's still videos today
I'm sure of on YouTube of like people

1387
01:33:55.640 --> 01:33:58.079
figuring out stuff you could do in
Breath in the Wild. Though, I

1388
01:33:58.119 --> 01:34:00.239
feel like we'll be talking about this
game for like a decade out. I

1389
01:34:00.279 --> 01:34:00.960
mean it, we'll be talking about
it for a while. I mean think

1390
01:34:00.960 --> 01:34:03.039
about it this way, like they're
like when I was doing the punch Out

1391
01:34:03.039 --> 01:34:06.720
stuff, there are still breakthroughs in
like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen and ways

1392
01:34:06.760 --> 01:34:11.079
to beat fighters that that was thirty
years after it came out, and that

1393
01:34:11.279 --> 01:34:15.000
was not nearly as open as something
like this. It's the modern punch Out,

1394
01:34:15.920 --> 01:34:19.199
the same game. Well, Mary, you asked about the Minecraft thing,

1395
01:34:19.239 --> 01:34:23.680
and I think Minecraft is at its
heart like a creation thing, so

1396
01:34:23.800 --> 01:34:28.640
you can create so many things like
that is what Minecraft is with this with

1397
01:34:28.760 --> 01:34:31.760
Here's the Kingdom, I think it's
more like these tools you can't make literally

1398
01:34:31.840 --> 01:34:35.279
anything with the tools gives you,
but imagine what it can do for speed

1399
01:34:35.359 --> 01:34:41.119
running and imagine the different ways,
Like that community is going to be insane

1400
01:34:41.439 --> 01:34:45.600
for a very long time. Has
there been anyone who's like beat it in

1401
01:34:45.640 --> 01:34:48.319
a ridiculous amount of time already?
Probably like what like six minutes now?

1402
01:34:48.800 --> 01:34:51.319
On Saturday, the day after it
came out, someone beat it in like

1403
01:34:51.720 --> 01:34:58.359
eighty minutes, which I truly don't. So that's the different thing here though,

1404
01:34:59.479 --> 01:35:02.840
because they do they Acarina thing and
the castle is floating and like surrounded

1405
01:35:02.880 --> 01:35:05.840
by shit. Oh yeah, I
don't know how they even got to the

1406
01:35:05.880 --> 01:35:09.800
castle let early, so like they
definitely had to do some sequence breaking,

1407
01:35:09.880 --> 01:35:14.920
Like it's it's hard. It's funny
to imagine that sequence breaking can still exist

1408
01:35:15.000 --> 01:35:18.359
in a game that's designed to be
about sequence breaking, Like people are still

1409
01:35:18.479 --> 01:35:21.239
figuring out how to break a game
that's about how do I break this game?

1410
01:35:21.279 --> 01:35:26.439
Where I can clip through the wall
and reverse time really breaking it?

1411
01:35:27.079 --> 01:35:29.600
And I don't know how they got
to Hierro Castle. I didn't watch it.

1412
01:35:29.640 --> 01:35:30.720
I just saw that they beat in
like eighty minutes or something. It's

1413
01:35:30.720 --> 01:35:33.800
like good for them. The wild
you can you can just walk up to

1414
01:35:33.840 --> 01:35:36.399
the front door and fight Gannon and
you're gonna can't do that. You can't

1415
01:35:36.439 --> 01:35:40.840
do that here for like A to
B. But I I have to look

1416
01:35:40.920 --> 01:35:43.920
up how they did. It must
have been some sort of actual exploit unless

1417
01:35:43.920 --> 01:35:46.319
I'm unless there's something kind of past
missing. I don't even know what the

1418
01:35:46.399 --> 01:35:49.399
fucking like like fine Zelda, but
like I don't really know, like what

1419
01:35:49.479 --> 01:35:51.720
do I have to do to get
to the castle, Like I'm it's not

1420
01:35:51.880 --> 01:35:56.640
as explicit as like defeat Gannon in
Breadth of Wild you know, yeah,

1421
01:35:57.039 --> 01:36:00.600
yeah, isn't that You're because they
give you like objectives and isn't that like

1422
01:36:00.680 --> 01:36:06.159
your first objective defeat game. It's
like, oh okay, fuck all right,

1423
01:36:06.199 --> 01:36:11.680
yeah right now, like right now, it's up to you whatever he

1424
01:36:12.720 --> 01:36:17.479
and I I'd like some hearts,
like some more health. I love the

1425
01:36:17.600 --> 01:36:20.600
stuff where it's like we're talking about
the direction stuff earlier, and like the

1426
01:36:20.680 --> 01:36:25.760
only like explicit direction I feel like
I've gotten is like enough characters have told

1427
01:36:25.800 --> 01:36:29.039
me like hey, check out Northwest. You know it's pretty cold up there.

1428
01:36:29.199 --> 01:36:30.760
Oh, like there have been enough
things. It's like okay, it's

1429
01:36:30.800 --> 01:36:33.439
it's telling me like the way brought
the Wild kind of Leddy towards the Zora

1430
01:36:33.560 --> 01:36:38.239
area. I can tell it's it's
leading me Northwood. I was so wrong

1431
01:36:38.399 --> 01:36:41.960
with my choices in the first game. I did them all opposite. I

1432
01:36:42.039 --> 01:36:45.560
think you can do that and you
the game and enjoyed your enjoyed your time.

1433
01:36:45.880 --> 01:36:48.720
Like I like the things where,
um, I've noticed things in the

1434
01:36:48.760 --> 01:36:50.920
game. I don't want to spoil
anything, but like you know, you'll

1435
01:36:50.960 --> 01:36:54.560
notice something in the game and not
really think much of it, and then

1436
01:36:54.640 --> 01:36:58.000
you'll like just be in the middle
of the field or crossing a bridge and

1437
01:36:58.079 --> 01:37:00.039
you see somebody with a backpack and
you talk to them and they'll be looking

1438
01:37:00.119 --> 01:37:02.319
up at the sky or something to
be like, oh man, that's crazy

1439
01:37:02.319 --> 01:37:05.640
about those like rocks falling from the
sky. Huh, And like they'll just

1440
01:37:05.760 --> 01:37:10.119
say something that's not an instruction.
It's not like, hey, you could

1441
01:37:10.159 --> 01:37:13.199
do this, but it's like they're
talking about it in a way where it's

1442
01:37:13.199 --> 01:37:16.159
like hang on. And then you
have the realization and you test it out,

1443
01:37:16.199 --> 01:37:18.760
you're like, oh, fuck,
that's amazing, and like that was

1444
01:37:18.840 --> 01:37:21.479
just a guy on a bridge that
wasn't a scripted thing. That was like

1445
01:37:21.680 --> 01:37:24.960
sure they could have planted that guy
in your way or whatever, but it

1446
01:37:25.000 --> 01:37:28.239
all just feels very natural. It's
scripted in a way, but it's very

1447
01:37:28.319 --> 01:37:32.720
similar to what Mike was talking about
with how they avoided putting paint unbreakable objects.

1448
01:37:32.760 --> 01:37:38.880
It's the same concept. They're teaching
you very naturally and organically in a

1449
01:37:39.000 --> 01:37:43.520
way that allows you to keep your
immersion. So I also had a thing

1450
01:37:43.640 --> 01:37:45.840
fall from the sky right in front
of me, and I was like,

1451
01:37:45.000 --> 01:37:47.680
what the shit is that? You
know, you have to check it out

1452
01:37:47.720 --> 01:37:53.880
and you don't know what it is
yet naturally coming across a character later that

1453
01:37:54.000 --> 01:37:56.840
you don't have to talk to who's
like, hey, did you see these

1454
01:37:56.960 --> 01:38:00.520
weird things falling from the sky?
And I was like, yeah, I

1455
01:38:00.840 --> 01:38:04.479
have, mister, what's up with
that? Like, I was so excited

1456
01:38:04.560 --> 01:38:08.800
that he brought it up because I
had been seeing them and I was very

1457
01:38:08.880 --> 01:38:12.560
curious about it. That is like
the ultimate way, as opposed to a

1458
01:38:12.680 --> 01:38:15.199
screen that's like, hey, just
so you know, these things falling from

1459
01:38:15.239 --> 01:38:18.840
this guy, you can do stuff
with them. It's the anti game design

1460
01:38:19.119 --> 01:38:23.479
game design. These things are all
happening to make you feel like you're just

1461
01:38:23.680 --> 01:38:26.760
in a world. And a guy
was like, have you seen this weird

1462
01:38:26.840 --> 01:38:31.159
shit? Happening, and it's all
meant to guide you in a natural way,

1463
01:38:31.199 --> 01:38:35.920
and holy shit, like wouldn't expert, wouldn't expert lesson in game design

1464
01:38:36.000 --> 01:38:40.640
they've made and refreshing in the way
that like, look, I've heard Jedi

1465
01:38:40.840 --> 01:38:45.560
fallen fucking whatever is good like,
and I played Jedi Fallen whatever the news

1466
01:38:45.600 --> 01:38:49.159
Star Wars thing Jedi play Jedi sur
I played ten minutes of it, and

1467
01:38:49.319 --> 01:38:53.920
it was just like one of those
things where I played ten minutes and every

1468
01:38:53.960 --> 01:38:57.000
single thing was like, now here's
this guy and he's got this weapon,

1469
01:38:57.079 --> 01:38:59.720
and now the pop up says do
this when this happens, and I do

1470
01:38:59.800 --> 01:39:01.239
that once and it's like all right, now do this when this happens.

1471
01:39:01.279 --> 01:39:03.199
It's like okay, yeah, I
get it. All right. We're gonna

1472
01:39:03.359 --> 01:39:08.359
teach you know that you could spin
your lightsaber to deflect bullets, and it's

1473
01:39:08.399 --> 01:39:12.560
just like teach me, don't tell
me. Yeah, Zelda teaches you.

1474
01:39:12.960 --> 01:39:15.960
Every element of Zelda is like,
hey, we just taught you fusion.

1475
01:39:16.399 --> 01:39:21.880
We put a pile of shit on
the ground, and also you need to

1476
01:39:23.000 --> 01:39:30.199
get to this next island and there's
a break in the cable, so what

1477
01:39:30.319 --> 01:39:32.399
are you gonna do? You figure
it out, doesn't tell you anything,

1478
01:39:32.640 --> 01:39:38.000
but it's giving you all the pieces
that you need to solve it and have

1479
01:39:38.239 --> 01:39:42.199
that ah home moment on your own. It's genius. The only limit I

1480
01:39:42.319 --> 01:39:45.239
would be worried about is like,
I don't know kid friendly this is.

1481
01:39:45.439 --> 01:39:47.800
I don't how many kids are gonna
understand to fuse this stuff, Like I

1482
01:39:47.880 --> 01:39:51.640
don't see a lot of twelve year
olds loving this game or dad friendly.

1483
01:39:51.720 --> 01:39:55.279
I mentioned it before about the controls, like, I think that the controls

1484
01:39:55.319 --> 01:39:57.479
were a little too much for someone
like my dad who doesn't play a lot

1485
01:39:57.479 --> 01:39:59.880
of games. Also, I was
gonna get him this for his birthday,

1486
01:39:59.880 --> 01:40:03.279
but after playing that, it's like
the controls and just the complexity of these

1487
01:40:03.359 --> 01:40:06.479
systems. You know, I saw
the stuff he struggled with Breath of the

1488
01:40:06.520 --> 01:40:10.399
Wild, and like, I'm just
straight up telling him, like game it's

1489
01:40:10.439 --> 01:40:13.920
only for core gamers. You heard
it here first. I mean, it's

1490
01:40:13.960 --> 01:40:16.319
it's a tough game. Also,
the combat is like I'm dying more than

1491
01:40:16.319 --> 01:40:23.520
I didn't. Yeah, they it
feels like they definitely I got one shot

1492
01:40:23.600 --> 01:40:27.359
a lot, and I think it's
the result of they're giving you a lot

1493
01:40:27.439 --> 01:40:30.119
more power in terms of what weapons
you craft, and you can come into

1494
01:40:30.159 --> 01:40:35.680
a fight with something that you might
yeah you might, yeah, follow your

1495
01:40:35.800 --> 01:40:41.880
your yours is a different problem.
It's like you could be gather a monster

1496
01:40:41.920 --> 01:40:45.279
apart from the other side of the
world that they might not have intended that

1497
01:40:45.359 --> 01:40:48.159
you have, but they kind of
did so now they've made attacks hurt you

1498
01:40:48.239 --> 01:40:55.279
more. Um which as a side
note, this game is extremely funny,

1499
01:40:55.840 --> 01:41:00.159
like you could tell that they're trying
to be goofy, specifically because so much

1500
01:41:00.159 --> 01:41:04.840
of the game your weapons. You
have to craft your weapons, and many

1501
01:41:04.920 --> 01:41:09.960
of them come from monster parts.
I love that lore wise to justify that

1502
01:41:10.279 --> 01:41:14.720
all the monster's horns are just like
weapon shaped. Now, it's like the

1503
01:41:14.800 --> 01:41:18.159
guy has a battle axe for a
like a unicorn horn like you get when

1504
01:41:18.199 --> 01:41:21.560
you start getting like the silver bow, Hobbins and lionels popping up when you've

1505
01:41:21.560 --> 01:41:27.000
gotten far enough in the game,
their horns are like that's clearly like it's

1506
01:41:27.079 --> 01:41:30.119
that looks like the Master sword popping
out of their head. This is so

1507
01:41:30.279 --> 01:41:33.079
stupid, it's amazing. I have
died in the dumbest fucking ways where it's

1508
01:41:33.119 --> 01:41:36.039
like because of systems in the game, where it's like I remember one time

1509
01:41:36.319 --> 01:41:40.720
I was so excited that I made
this, uh, this flame spitting club.

1510
01:41:40.760 --> 01:41:42.000
It was pretty early in the game. It was like, oh,

1511
01:41:42.000 --> 01:41:47.039
I fuse this thing together and you
can have a flame club or a shield.

1512
01:41:47.560 --> 01:41:50.600
Yeah. And so like a couple
of blue choo Choo jellies or whatever

1513
01:41:50.640 --> 01:41:53.560
popped up out of the ground.
It like, oh, these motherfuckers,

1514
01:41:53.600 --> 01:41:57.119
they're not ready for this, And
I specifically switched to my flame shooting thing

1515
01:41:57.479 --> 01:42:00.199
and I like burnt them. But
here's the thing, I kill them.

1516
01:42:00.359 --> 01:42:02.920
So I defeated both enemies, but
they were blue choo choos. But when

1517
01:42:02.960 --> 01:42:06.560
they die by flame, they turn
red, and the choo choo jelly is

1518
01:42:06.680 --> 01:42:12.960
red, and the grass around them
caught on fire, which caused an updraft

1519
01:42:13.199 --> 01:42:15.319
which caused the red choo Choo jellies
to fly up in the air. And

1520
01:42:15.439 --> 01:42:18.479
I'm just looking at them after my
victory, and then it rained down and

1521
01:42:18.640 --> 01:42:21.640
I just burnt to death, right, Yeah, that's that happened to me.

1522
01:42:21.760 --> 01:42:28.720
That's ridiculous. The Chuji jellies are
great also the fact that you can

1523
01:42:28.800 --> 01:42:31.199
throw any item in your inventory.
Yes, yes, Chuoji jellies are great.

1524
01:42:31.239 --> 01:42:34.199
If you stock up on blue jellies
and just keep them in your inventory

1525
01:42:34.439 --> 01:42:40.960
dry so blue. You just drop
five in the ground. You can throw

1526
01:42:41.199 --> 01:42:46.239
anything with the ice element at them
and they'll turn into ice jellies. So

1527
01:42:46.760 --> 01:42:49.560
in what do those do? What
do you? What do the ice the

1528
01:42:49.640 --> 01:42:54.039
white chochoo do? Yeah? I
haven't really used twotoos in any kind of

1529
01:42:54.079 --> 01:43:00.439
wet unless it spoilies, because I
like to discover what it's yeah around with

1530
01:43:00.520 --> 01:43:05.479
the shoot you stuf. Yeah.
I have really liked muddle buds. Dazzle

1531
01:43:06.039 --> 01:43:10.199
Dazzle fruit are my favorite. But
muddle buds are awesome, good names,

1532
01:43:10.239 --> 01:43:13.840
good flavor texts, good games.
There's so much going on here. The

1533
01:43:14.319 --> 01:43:17.199
Hirol Compendium, a little fucking Pokemon
snap bet a game. Have you fought

1534
01:43:17.199 --> 01:43:23.079
any lazelfos yet? I think a
couple? Yeah, fuse with their tails,

1535
01:43:23.960 --> 01:43:28.520
try that out with their tails?
Yeah. How about the fucking Horroblins

1536
01:43:28.560 --> 01:43:32.199
that are just doing the fucking dog
on the fucking like God, they suck.

1537
01:43:32.319 --> 01:43:38.279
I hate those guys. They.
I got a silver Horroblin horn that's

1538
01:43:38.359 --> 01:43:42.239
fused to my link to the past
sort I found in a chest and it's

1539
01:43:42.279 --> 01:43:45.239
like it's about to break, and
I really don't want it to because it

1540
01:43:45.319 --> 01:43:46.880
does a lot of damage. It's
doing like seventy five damage or something,

1541
01:43:46.960 --> 01:43:50.840
but it's I really don't want it
to break My street branches do like six

1542
01:43:50.920 --> 01:43:57.439
and I'm telling it, I'm fusing
them with rocks. Stone ages. You

1543
01:43:57.600 --> 01:44:00.239
do want to go from the Stone
age to like fucking modern day in this

1544
01:44:00.399 --> 01:44:04.279
game. I didn't notice this,
but Bonk brought up that, Like they

1545
01:44:04.359 --> 01:44:08.760
do kind of a little meta commentary
on like some characters like yeah, so

1546
01:44:08.880 --> 01:44:12.279
these weapons will break and like they're
all decayed and fucked up and everything,

1547
01:44:12.319 --> 01:44:14.600
and like some people hate that,
but like, hey, it gives you

1548
01:44:14.640 --> 01:44:18.600
a chance to try a bout of
different stuff justifying their design in the characters

1549
01:44:18.920 --> 01:44:23.439
kind of a little finger to the
weapon durability boses. Yeah, because I

1550
01:44:23.520 --> 01:44:26.000
mean that's the thing, Like I
get it. It's frustrating, but like

1551
01:44:26.079 --> 01:44:29.000
that was such a wh whenever somebody
wants to sho breath the wild, that's

1552
01:44:29.039 --> 01:44:30.600
the like, oh the weapons break, yeah, okay, whatever, but

1553
01:44:30.880 --> 01:44:34.279
integral to the design though, like
you exactly have any reason they go yeah,

1554
01:44:34.399 --> 01:44:36.359
yeah. So I just found it
funny that they brought it up and

1555
01:44:36.439 --> 01:44:39.920
like kind of just mocked people from
making too big of a deal out of

1556
01:44:39.960 --> 01:44:45.000
that. I think it's a great
choice. It's a very strong choice.

1557
01:44:45.079 --> 01:44:49.359
But I think it shows guts that
they they weighed the pros and cons,

1558
01:44:49.880 --> 01:44:55.319
and again they chose fun. They
chose the fun of testing new weapons.

1559
01:44:55.399 --> 01:44:57.960
Then for you to fall in love
with a weapon and get married to it,

1560
01:44:58.119 --> 01:45:00.479
and they're right and you're wrong.
Yeah, if I had one sword

1561
01:45:00.560 --> 01:45:03.520
that shoots fire and was super strong, I would never fucking try. You

1562
01:45:03.560 --> 01:45:09.479
would never get rid of it.
I wouldn't be like yeah now. But

1563
01:45:09.760 --> 01:45:14.119
now, even with fuse in Breadth
of the Wild, at a certain point,

1564
01:45:14.159 --> 01:45:16.479
I started ignoring bo cobblin camps and
ship It's like, I don't need

1565
01:45:16.520 --> 01:45:20.159
to fight them, Let's save the
inventory and Tears of the Kingdom. However,

1566
01:45:21.199 --> 01:45:24.840
you see some high level bo coblems
from Distrar's like, oh fuck,

1567
01:45:25.479 --> 01:45:28.920
I want their horn for a good
weapon to fuse with my really strong hilt.

1568
01:45:28.960 --> 01:45:32.800
It's like, now they've even made
like this late in the game with

1569
01:45:33.079 --> 01:45:36.960
my number of inventory slots and shit, I'm doing that less. But for

1570
01:45:38.199 --> 01:45:41.319
long stretches of the mid game,
I was like, I'm going to go

1571
01:45:41.439 --> 01:45:45.520
fight them. I need more monster
harvesting. Harvesting those horns. Yeah,

1572
01:45:45.840 --> 01:45:48.720
um, what was the what was
that one more throwable item? I was

1573
01:45:48.760 --> 01:45:54.720
going to mention, h I love
being sword by most used. So it's

1574
01:45:54.720 --> 01:45:57.319
like if I need a bright seed
or a bomb flower or a fire fruit,

1575
01:45:57.439 --> 01:46:00.760
it's always is right there. You
know that's nice. Yeah, but

1576
01:46:00.880 --> 01:46:03.680
anyway, um it was Liz alf
was tell I mentioned it, um,

1577
01:46:03.880 --> 01:46:11.279
but yeah, no, not throwing
them in summary. In summary, it

1578
01:46:11.359 --> 01:46:14.119
seems good. I mean, this
is probably we've ever talked about a game

1579
01:46:14.159 --> 01:46:17.479
on this podcast. Yeah, and
we'll be talking about it. They'll be

1580
01:46:17.600 --> 01:46:20.680
new things that we discovered. And
the funniest part is that, like it's

1581
01:46:20.760 --> 01:46:26.439
kind of like generations talking because next
time we talk, I'll be like,

1582
01:46:27.039 --> 01:46:30.880
man, I am thirty hours deep
and I just found this cool lady in

1583
01:46:30.960 --> 01:46:33.199
a pool, and Mike's gonna be
like, yeah, I know, like

1584
01:46:33.640 --> 01:46:36.479
I've been there, like I did
that like weeks ago. Like you'll know

1585
01:46:36.640 --> 01:46:41.079
all the things that we discover and
talk about, you've both probably seen stuff

1586
01:46:41.079 --> 01:46:44.560
I didn't see, which is what's
cool about this game. You know what's

1587
01:46:44.600 --> 01:46:47.600
insane is that, like twenty seventeen, Breath of Wild came out and nothing

1588
01:46:47.680 --> 01:46:50.359
has even like we have not caught
up like no game, No, they've

1589
01:46:50.359 --> 01:46:54.479
been a lot of open world games
since then, none of them have captured

1590
01:46:54.520 --> 01:46:58.520
that feeling at all. Something moved
more in that direction, but they haven't

1591
01:46:58.520 --> 01:47:00.520
captured that. Twenty twenty twos Game
of the Year was probably the closest,

1592
01:47:00.560 --> 01:47:04.960
and it took five years from from
software to sort of oh yeah, yeah.

1593
01:47:04.960 --> 01:47:08.560
Honestly, that was the first time
since Breath Wilde really had that feeling.

1594
01:47:08.800 --> 01:47:12.279
And like now it's like, imagine
just working on an open world game

1595
01:47:12.560 --> 01:47:15.720
and playing this mix. Fuck man, come on, like, yeah,

1596
01:47:15.880 --> 01:47:17.800
this is like this feels like it's
from like decades beyond us. You know.

1597
01:47:18.399 --> 01:47:24.720
Yeah, you're you're you're fucking over
here slaving away on like making a

1598
01:47:24.800 --> 01:47:30.560
BIC while Nintendo's like releases the Harley
Davidson. You're like, fuck the next

1599
01:47:30.640 --> 01:47:35.039
Horizon. Horizon was literally about to
release one with drafting, and they're like,

1600
01:47:35.239 --> 01:47:41.399
god damn it. Yeah, they
keep doing this to us. Um

1601
01:47:41.720 --> 01:47:45.920
Also, her game is baring,
very it's very boring. What do they

1602
01:47:45.960 --> 01:47:49.520
do? They should make a game
that's not boring. They're they're plank Killzone

1603
01:47:49.640 --> 01:47:54.399
was boring, a Horizon boring branch
out make a that boring game for once.

1604
01:47:54.640 --> 01:48:00.640
This is yeah, I don't know
are you gonna argue that our Kills

1605
01:48:00.680 --> 01:48:05.039
on the Horizon not boring series?
I like hers more than you guys,

1606
01:48:05.079 --> 01:48:08.680
But yeah, I don't think there
were anywhere in the same arenas Zelda.

1607
01:48:09.039 --> 01:48:14.359
Um, are you playing anything else? Did you play anything else? Oh,

1608
01:48:14.880 --> 01:48:18.439
Queen Contrarian, I'm playing. Hey, Dan played. I don't know

1609
01:48:18.479 --> 01:48:23.640
if it's indie, but Dan played
a like unique game as well. I

1610
01:48:23.720 --> 01:48:26.680
would at least call it that,
Like you didn't. You didn't play a

1611
01:48:26.800 --> 01:48:30.039
standard game. You played Humanity.
It's weird. I did. Oh,

1612
01:48:30.159 --> 01:48:33.399
yeah, you're a spirit dog that
is teaching you stuff about life and humanity

1613
01:48:33.439 --> 01:48:39.520
by doing livings puzzles. It's uh, have either you played it? It's

1614
01:48:39.600 --> 01:48:44.359
it's no, but I saw a
lot of footage and it's crazy. First

1615
01:48:44.359 --> 01:48:46.479
of all, the whole look and
vibe of it is really good. I

1616
01:48:46.479 --> 01:48:50.159
think it's by the tet respect people. Yes, which is also like very

1617
01:48:50.439 --> 01:48:55.399
like that should say something. Yeah, it's it's it's very very stylished.

1618
01:48:55.399 --> 01:48:57.439
It's very much just got a vibe
going for it, and it works.

1619
01:48:57.479 --> 01:49:00.600
It totally works. Um. But
the thing I I I love Limmings.

1620
01:49:00.720 --> 01:49:03.720
Lemmings was fun, and that series
has not really been a thing for a

1621
01:49:03.880 --> 01:49:08.920
very long time. And that was
frustrating though and stressful in a way that

1622
01:49:09.119 --> 01:49:11.720
like if you ever played Lemmings,
it was like, Okay, you're gonna

1623
01:49:11.720 --> 01:49:15.439
get graded on the end or pass
fail based on like this many Limmings have

1624
01:49:15.600 --> 01:49:17.520
out of one hundred or whatever have
to live. Yeah, this one,

1625
01:49:17.720 --> 01:49:23.159
I just really love that. Like
it's this constant flow of people of humanity

1626
01:49:23.279 --> 01:49:26.840
coming out of this like ethereal door
or whatever, and you need to lead

1627
01:49:26.880 --> 01:49:30.199
them from point A to point B
using of a right. You're a spirit

1628
01:49:30.279 --> 01:49:32.520
dog that can lay down a bunch
of commands like oh, turn here,

1629
01:49:32.960 --> 01:49:36.119
jump here, I'm going to give
you this kind of floatability here, and

1630
01:49:36.920 --> 01:49:41.800
a lot of them are just gonna
die or fall off or whatever, and

1631
01:49:42.079 --> 01:49:45.640
it doesn't fucking matter. Like yeah, I mean you will need to restart

1632
01:49:45.680 --> 01:49:47.680
from time to time because sometimes it's
like, oh, I need these guys

1633
01:49:47.720 --> 01:49:50.600
to push these blocks in a certain
way, but oh I forgot that this

1634
01:49:50.920 --> 01:49:54.079
this branch of people is going to
push it off the cliff or whatever.

1635
01:49:54.119 --> 01:49:57.319
So I'll restart. But you can
restart and you can keep all your commands.

1636
01:49:57.399 --> 01:50:00.760
So is your goal just to get
one human through? What's your goal?

1637
01:50:00.079 --> 01:50:01.920
So you have to get a certain
amount of people, like there will

1638
01:50:01.920 --> 01:50:05.720
be a square and it's like with
enough flow of people, it'll kind of

1639
01:50:05.760 --> 01:50:09.840
fill up and being light up and
you're done. But sometimes there's two of

1640
01:50:09.880 --> 01:50:12.279
them, so it's like you need
to get two of them active at the

1641
01:50:12.319 --> 01:50:15.479
same time. And then there's these
bonus things. There's these gold guys that

1642
01:50:15.520 --> 01:50:16.880
you can find. So there might
be one, two, three of these

1643
01:50:17.119 --> 01:50:20.239
Goldies in the levels, and you
have to have your path of people go

1644
01:50:20.439 --> 01:50:24.119
through them and lead them, and
if they die or whatever, it's like

1645
01:50:24.279 --> 01:50:26.199
failed, you didn't get that.
I mean, you can still finish the

1646
01:50:26.279 --> 01:50:30.479
level, but it's really like I
have not gone past the level and not

1647
01:50:30.600 --> 01:50:32.119
gotten every Goldie just because it's like, no, I'm fucking figuring this out

1648
01:50:32.199 --> 01:50:34.880
before I move on. And so
there is that kind of stress of like,

1649
01:50:34.880 --> 01:50:36.880
oh, fuck's that Goldie's about to
walk off the cliff. So that's

1650
01:50:36.920 --> 01:50:41.039
one where it's like you might have
to restart, but you can keep all

1651
01:50:41.039 --> 01:50:43.920
the commands. So like, let's
say there's a really elaborate level where it's

1652
01:50:43.920 --> 01:50:47.720
like I've put down fifteen arrows and
jump pads and stuff like that, and

1653
01:50:48.159 --> 01:50:50.239
it's like, okay, well,
I failed, but I want to restart

1654
01:50:50.600 --> 01:50:55.920
and let me tweak some things here, and you can pause the action.

1655
01:50:56.039 --> 01:50:59.000
You can fast forward people if like
you've set all the arrows the way you

1656
01:50:59.039 --> 01:51:00.199
want, I mean, you just
want to see it. Hold are two.

1657
01:51:01.359 --> 01:51:05.319
It's just it's it's very much scratching
a Lemmings itch for me that has

1658
01:51:05.399 --> 01:51:10.479
not been scratched. I loved Lemmings
as a child. This is like,

1659
01:51:10.760 --> 01:51:15.279
you're kind of selling me on this
game. I'm really interested in playing it

1660
01:51:15.399 --> 01:51:24.119
after I saw a really crazy gameplay
of so many people like in an area

1661
01:51:24.319 --> 01:51:27.640
and telling them what to do and
stuff, and I didn't realize it was

1662
01:51:27.760 --> 01:51:30.800
Lemmings. ESK. That's a huge
selling point to me. Yeah, you're

1663
01:51:30.800 --> 01:51:32.920
a dog. You're just a dog
running around and jumping and just by the

1664
01:51:33.000 --> 01:51:34.880
way, and every time you do
a command, it barks. So my

1665
01:51:35.000 --> 01:51:41.680
dogs are fucking loving it. Razor
is freaking out. Yeah. I'm like

1666
01:51:41.840 --> 01:51:44.279
maybe an hour and a half,
two hours into it or something like that.

1667
01:51:44.520 --> 01:51:47.079
Like I think there's like seven kind
of worlds and I'm about to start

1668
01:51:47.199 --> 01:51:50.439
three I think, so I'm pretty
early on. But it's it's all been

1669
01:51:50.760 --> 01:51:55.239
really really fun and it just feels
like one of those things where it's like

1670
01:51:55.840 --> 01:51:58.279
when you figure it out, you
can do it right or you can do

1671
01:51:58.319 --> 01:52:00.199
it wrong. And yeah, you
know when you figured it out and you

1672
01:52:00.279 --> 01:52:02.800
have those aha and it's like,
oh fuck, if I give them float

1673
01:52:02.880 --> 01:52:06.159
before they fall off this, then
they'll you know, whatever it's it's definitely

1674
01:52:06.199 --> 01:52:10.439
worth checking out. I think it's
on PS plus, so check that out

1675
01:52:10.479 --> 01:52:14.880
if you have that cool. Apparently
you kished something last week last episode,

1676
01:52:14.960 --> 01:52:20.279
Mary, No, I didn't.
Um, I've been good, which one

1677
01:52:20.359 --> 01:52:25.760
knows it? Let me look at
least here's the Kingdom. It's free subject

1678
01:52:25.840 --> 01:52:30.640
line. The subject line was,
go, oh she kished it again.

1679
01:52:31.560 --> 01:52:34.399
I everyone just wanted to let you
know that Mary kissed it again as Peku

1680
01:52:34.479 --> 01:52:43.159
Niku is on game Pass and has
Benson's launch no I on the switch from

1681
01:52:43.279 --> 01:52:47.800
me well from Long Island. Oh
well no, okay, Well that's different

1682
01:52:47.840 --> 01:52:50.920
if it was like specifically, so
you can play on the plane, yeah,

1683
01:52:51.399 --> 01:52:55.800
playing for the CONVENI for free,
but you couldn't have played it on

1684
01:52:55.840 --> 01:53:00.720
the plane. Then well you can
get game passed on you don't you game

1685
01:53:00.720 --> 01:53:04.119
past? What are you thinking?
You? Absolutely? Yeah, I gotta

1686
01:53:04.119 --> 01:53:08.560
do some crazy stuff. We're not
how to do that. Yeah, no,

1687
01:53:08.840 --> 01:53:15.920
I did that. Fuck your thing. What else have you been playing?

1688
01:53:16.119 --> 01:53:19.279
What have you been playing? A
game called Space Gladiators. Uh,

1689
01:53:19.600 --> 01:53:26.840
it came out on consoles, so
I gave it, gave it a whirl.

1690
01:53:27.279 --> 01:53:30.600
It's a rogue light. You are
a you kind of look like an

1691
01:53:30.680 --> 01:53:44.119
egg or a potato, very oval
and uh thick outlined cartoon creatures comatche and

1692
01:53:44.439 --> 01:53:49.119
you are collecting abilities every time you
get to the I would call it like

1693
01:53:49.159 --> 01:53:54.039
a call of The reason it's called
Space Gladiators is because you're going through these

1694
01:53:54.760 --> 01:54:00.279
procedurally generated spaces and so you never
know what enemy you're gonna face. But

1695
01:54:00.399 --> 01:54:04.359
the important thing is is at the
end of each area, maybe level you

1696
01:54:04.439 --> 01:54:09.199
could call it, you go to
a coliseum where you fight like twenty of

1697
01:54:09.319 --> 01:54:13.399
these monsters and if you get through, then you get all these bonuses and

1698
01:54:13.439 --> 01:54:15.640
you get to go to the next
level. When you die, you're done

1699
01:54:15.800 --> 01:54:19.560
and you have to start all the
way over from scratch with nothing. It

1700
01:54:20.000 --> 01:54:27.920
has a what's that game called I'll
think of it um. I think it's

1701
01:54:27.960 --> 01:54:40.479
called like the super Meat Boy guy
made it h Basement Boy Finding You guys

1702
01:54:40.560 --> 01:54:44.199
got that from Basement Boy. I
really appreciate that. Yeah, he's a

1703
01:54:44.279 --> 01:54:48.560
basement, he cries, that's right, So it looks like that it has

1704
01:54:48.640 --> 01:54:55.600
that style to it. Basement boy. My brain stopped working halfway through the

1705
01:54:55.640 --> 01:55:00.560
sentence. I was saying, uh, does that a lot? I think

1706
01:55:00.600 --> 01:55:03.880
what's neat about it is if you
like Binding of Isaac, there's a lot

1707
01:55:03.920 --> 01:55:12.279
of similarities where you will find an
upgrade and maybe you like it, maybe

1708
01:55:12.319 --> 01:55:15.239
you don't, But the whole point
is to try it and see if it

1709
01:55:15.359 --> 01:55:18.479
works for your current build, for
your character, and if you die,

1710
01:55:18.640 --> 01:55:21.479
then who cares? You just start
over anyway, so you just throw it

1711
01:55:21.560 --> 01:55:26.640
all away. But I found a
really interesting one, which was I could

1712
01:55:26.760 --> 01:55:31.760
no longer get any health from anything. No food, nothing, nothing would

1713
01:55:31.800 --> 01:55:35.479
increase my health. But right before
I go to a coliseum, it one

1714
01:55:35.600 --> 01:55:40.680
hundred percent gave me full life.
So as long as I could make it

1715
01:55:40.880 --> 01:55:44.479
to the coliseum, I got one
hundred percent health, which is a really

1716
01:55:44.560 --> 01:55:47.199
interesting build. It was just a
really interesting character development. And I was

1717
01:55:47.239 --> 01:55:53.479
collecting all these other abilities as well. Some of them are gross. One

1718
01:55:53.520 --> 01:55:58.000
of them was by fart every like
three to five seconds, and the gas

1719
01:55:58.119 --> 01:56:03.760
cloud poisons my enemy. So I'm
running around farting. I had one that

1720
01:56:04.279 --> 01:56:11.199
either there's simple ones right where you
do bleed damage or thorns that's a classic

1721
01:56:11.239 --> 01:56:17.079
where when you get hit you automatically
retaliate against everyone in the room. Lots

1722
01:56:17.119 --> 01:56:23.560
of different upgrades, lots of different
ways to build a character, but because

1723
01:56:23.880 --> 01:56:28.119
it's rogue Light, once you die, you start from scratch and you may

1724
01:56:28.239 --> 01:56:30.800
not ever get those options for a
long time. In fact, you probably

1725
01:56:30.800 --> 01:56:34.319
will never have that same build again. And that's really up to you whether

1726
01:56:34.359 --> 01:56:38.359
or not you find that frustrating or
interesting, because if you love a build,

1727
01:56:38.399 --> 01:56:41.840
you might never ever get it again, but you're always practicing and trying

1728
01:56:41.960 --> 01:56:45.640
new, new, weird builds.
I mean, you mentioned Binding of Isaac,

1729
01:56:45.680 --> 01:56:48.119
and like, I will always associate
that with the first time I became

1730
01:56:48.159 --> 01:56:51.880
familiar with like what a roguelite roguelike
meant, because I think I was a

1731
01:56:53.000 --> 01:56:57.000
game informer and everybody was talking big
on it and I played it, or

1732
01:56:57.079 --> 01:57:00.840
I died and I started over,
and I was like someone worked probably ten

1733
01:57:00.920 --> 01:57:02.600
or something. I was like,
wait, I just start over and say,

1734
01:57:02.600 --> 01:57:04.520
oh yeah, I start over every
time you die, and it's like,

1735
01:57:04.800 --> 01:57:08.479
what fuck that? Why would I
ever play this game? You have

1736
01:57:08.520 --> 01:57:11.680
to start over every time you die, remember, you know, being full

1737
01:57:11.720 --> 01:57:14.479
on you know Dan, just like
that. The game suck? Why would

1738
01:57:14.479 --> 01:57:15.760
you ever do that? And then
fast forward a year or two and it's

1739
01:57:15.760 --> 01:57:18.520
like my favorite fucking genre, you
know, Like, yeah, but I

1740
01:57:18.640 --> 01:57:21.279
didn't. I did not understand it
back then. I didn't understand the appeal

1741
01:57:21.319 --> 01:57:26.960
of it. And I agree,
it's definitely not for everybody. I think

1742
01:57:27.039 --> 01:57:30.920
it's simple in other ways. The
artistic style is simple. It's also repetitive

1743
01:57:30.000 --> 01:57:33.159
because when you're playing a game like
this, you're gonna play the same starting

1744
01:57:33.239 --> 01:57:36.159
area, right. The idea here
is that every time you make it through

1745
01:57:36.199 --> 01:57:40.760
a colosseum, and I think you
have to get through three colosseums. Maybe

1746
01:57:40.960 --> 01:57:43.319
I might be wrong, but it's
let's just say you have to go through

1747
01:57:43.439 --> 01:57:48.079
like three ish areas that lead to
a coloseum before you get to the next

1748
01:57:48.600 --> 01:57:53.199
area. You start underground. Then
maybe you get above ground, you end

1749
01:57:53.319 --> 01:57:57.479
up going to wiley places. But
it really sucks dying and then being like,

1750
01:57:57.600 --> 01:58:00.920
well, I'm under the fucking ground
again, and I'm going to see

1751
01:58:00.960 --> 01:58:04.840
the same dirt for as many hours
as it takes me to have a build

1752
01:58:04.920 --> 01:58:09.479
that I can escape this place again, so I do think that that is

1753
01:58:09.640 --> 01:58:16.439
draining to a degree, but it's
also fun to experience the different character builds

1754
01:58:16.439 --> 01:58:19.880
and you do level up your character
over time for what it's worth, So

1755
01:58:20.159 --> 01:58:23.920
similar tote, there's a couple of
things like that are similar to like a

1756
01:58:23.960 --> 01:58:28.039
hades esk where it's like one of
the things is you get a map and

1757
01:58:28.199 --> 01:58:30.560
you have to choose three different areas
and it lets you know if it's a

1758
01:58:30.640 --> 01:58:35.600
fight, if it's platforming. That's
unique, so instead of fighting, it'll

1759
01:58:35.640 --> 01:58:41.800
be a bunch of saws and you
have to maneuver your character delicately through the

1760
01:58:41.840 --> 01:58:45.520
space without taking damage or mystery.
Who doesn't love that. It's like a

1761
01:58:45.640 --> 01:58:51.880
question mark and you come across the
character and sometimes the characters are benevolent and

1762
01:58:53.039 --> 01:58:56.199
just give you something and help you, and sometimes they're not and they do

1763
01:58:56.319 --> 01:59:00.640
something that you don't like. Sometimes
it's a random pick one of these three

1764
01:59:00.720 --> 01:59:04.079
boxes and it's sometimes it's something really
amazing that will really help your journey,

1765
01:59:04.119 --> 01:59:06.119
and sometimes it's like an egg and
you're like, I don't know what the

1766
01:59:06.159 --> 01:59:12.439
shit this is and then you die
with it. So very h random,

1767
01:59:12.880 --> 01:59:16.720
but I I don't know. I
enjoyed the hours that I spent with it.

1768
01:59:17.079 --> 01:59:24.760
It's called Space Gladiators. I also
like the colosseum colosseum concept, which

1769
01:59:24.880 --> 01:59:28.640
is a bunch of people in the
background, like cheering, and then just

1770
01:59:28.760 --> 01:59:32.039
all these dudes coming at you and
you're essentially fighting for their for the glory,

1771
01:59:32.239 --> 01:59:34.800
and they're cheering and booing you based
on how good you do. I

1772
01:59:34.880 --> 01:59:40.079
think that's like a funny concept that
I'm just like, I'm fighting for the

1773
01:59:40.159 --> 01:59:44.159
attention of the people. You know, I'm getting the thumbs up or the

1774
01:59:44.239 --> 01:59:48.399
thumbs down. Freedom. That's right, that's right. What there's like other

1775
01:59:48.520 --> 01:59:55.000
lines from that from Gladiator that I
don't remember what we do in life echoes

1776
01:59:55.039 --> 01:59:59.520
in eternity. It's not what he
says, what we do in life echoes

1777
01:59:59.600 --> 02:00:02.159
in it. Yeah, but you
said it like the Godfather. Oh yeah,

1778
02:00:02.720 --> 02:00:10.439
I was definitely you come to me
on this the day of my Goddess

1779
02:00:10.520 --> 02:00:20.000
we come around uncanny, mister Brando. Welcome to the podcast. Um cool,

1780
02:00:20.159 --> 02:00:30.159
Space Gladiators. Anything else you've been
playing? Time? I got?

1781
02:00:30.199 --> 02:00:32.319
I got games of my hard drive
that aren't out yet that I am extremely

1782
02:00:32.359 --> 02:00:38.720
excited for. That I'm just not
even fucking touching because I got ship Zelda

1783
02:00:39.239 --> 02:00:43.079
is absolute priority for it. Yeah, it's gonna be a hot minute.

1784
02:00:43.680 --> 02:00:46.359
I also have there's some game pass
games that I will not kish that I'm

1785
02:00:46.399 --> 02:00:50.479
looking forward to playing pretty soon.
Um, but we'll get there when we

1786
02:00:50.520 --> 02:00:56.159
get there. So got Diabla four
right around the corner. Got street Fighter

1787
02:00:56.239 --> 02:01:00.239
six right around the corner. Street
Fighter? All right? You guys want

1788
02:01:00.239 --> 02:01:03.600
to do some emails? Yeah,
yes, all right. As always,

1789
02:01:03.600 --> 02:01:06.680
you can write into fire escapecast at
gmail dot com for questions, comments,

1790
02:01:06.840 --> 02:01:11.520
corrections, the ladder of which goes
through a filter that sends it straight to

1791
02:01:11.600 --> 02:01:15.960
the trash. Um. That's firescapecast
at gmail dot com. All right,

1792
02:01:16.079 --> 02:01:24.119
We've got two emails this week from
listeners viewers fire escape ees. Uh,

1793
02:01:24.399 --> 02:01:27.960
Mary, do you want to read
this? First? One from Cold Stair

1794
02:01:28.039 --> 02:01:34.920
aka Derek. Yeah? Right,
I hope your Zelda's and links are treating

1795
02:01:35.000 --> 02:01:39.960
you well. How many clones of
yourself would it take to kill Mike Tyson

1796
02:01:40.039 --> 02:01:46.920
in a deathmatch with no rule?
What a lovely intro he is. I'm

1797
02:01:46.920 --> 02:01:49.640
gonna actually start that again. I
think it's really important we understand the rule.

1798
02:01:49.720 --> 02:01:56.840
Yeah, yeah, how many clones
of yourself would it take to kill

1799
02:01:57.039 --> 02:02:02.319
Mike Tyson in a deathmatch with no
rules. He is in his absolute prime

1800
02:02:02.800 --> 02:02:08.960
and your clones are you at this
very moment. You can swarm him with

1801
02:02:09.319 --> 02:02:13.600
numbers. It's not one v one. I'm going to stop there because there's

1802
02:02:13.600 --> 02:02:16.279
a second question I'd like to start. Start with that. Derek from Ottawa,

1803
02:02:16.359 --> 02:02:24.319
thank you twelve A baker or a
regular? No, A shoot doesn't?

1804
02:02:24.920 --> 02:02:30.039
Yeah. I at a certain point, Look, I am not a

1805
02:02:30.159 --> 02:02:32.399
strong man. I've never been in
a fight. I'm out of shape and

1806
02:02:32.520 --> 02:02:36.279
my body hurts. And we're talking
prime Mike Tyson, the scariest human being

1807
02:02:36.399 --> 02:02:42.600
that's ever walked the earth. I
think twelve is about the point where it's

1808
02:02:42.640 --> 02:02:45.720
just like, listen, he's going
to be focused on it. If there's

1809
02:02:45.760 --> 02:02:48.760
four in front of him that he's
focused on punching at, that means a

1810
02:02:48.880 --> 02:02:51.399
bunch more getting behind him, just
trying to get him in a chokehold or

1811
02:02:51.439 --> 02:02:56.000
something, two or three jumping on
his back, arms around the neck,

1812
02:02:56.079 --> 02:02:58.600
just dragging him down to just sheer
weight wise, you know, if he

1813
02:02:58.680 --> 02:03:01.680
had eight hundred pounds on his back, you know, like right, But

1814
02:03:01.800 --> 02:03:08.119
like Mike Tyson is prime. He
it's not like it's just gonna be twelve

1815
02:03:08.199 --> 02:03:11.960
v one, Like he's gonna kill
a few of you. We're talking to

1816
02:03:12.039 --> 02:03:14.720
the death. Yeah, we're talking
eighteen year old Mike Tyson. No,

1817
02:03:14.880 --> 02:03:17.600
it's gonna be like one punch man. You're gonna have twelve dans coming at

1818
02:03:17.680 --> 02:03:20.760
him and he's just gonna punch through
all of you, and he'll hit the

1819
02:03:20.840 --> 02:03:25.199
first one and like dominoes, you'll
all die well, and all twelve are

1820
02:03:25.279 --> 02:03:29.880
really scared and afraid to move.
So it's like he's you're right, he

1821
02:03:30.079 --> 02:03:32.479
is just gonna like process of elimination. He will just kill them all kill

1822
02:03:32.720 --> 02:03:38.279
right, It's not gonna be just
twelve one. You need enough where he

1823
02:03:38.319 --> 02:03:41.920
can kill a sizeable chunk and it's
still overwhelming number. It's just in a

1824
02:03:42.000 --> 02:03:45.880
boxing ring. Does he have gloves
on or it says no rules, it's

1825
02:03:45.880 --> 02:03:48.159
just Dynasty Warriors, no weapons,
no weapons. Okay, so this is

1826
02:03:48.279 --> 02:03:53.319
like Dynasty Warriors, no weapons,
just in a field. Um, I

1827
02:03:53.560 --> 02:03:57.279
think about him killing them. He
would kill a lot before you. He

1828
02:03:57.319 --> 02:04:00.279
would kill even though, like kill
sixty of you minimum before you, before

1829
02:04:00.319 --> 02:04:03.760
you touch him, he's still gonna
throw a bunch of like a bunch of

1830
02:04:03.840 --> 02:04:06.359
you could jump on him and try
to choke hold. He would be strong

1831
02:04:06.479 --> 02:04:10.239
enough to still throw a few of
you off, like he's gonna be flalling.

1832
02:04:10.520 --> 02:04:14.960
Would he would just reach by,
find him and pick you up like

1833
02:04:15.119 --> 02:04:19.640
you're a tick. I think I
think a dozen is my number. You're

1834
02:04:19.960 --> 02:04:27.760
crazy, you're both crazy, A
hundred per I think, I'm think fifty

1835
02:04:27.880 --> 02:04:32.359
for me now that I think,
I'll say twenty. Life have a sense

1836
02:04:32.399 --> 02:04:36.439
of how scary he was when I
showed you didn't watch together like a ko

1837
02:04:36.760 --> 02:04:40.079
an. He's been like I ever
read it. This is Bianca too,

1838
02:04:40.079 --> 02:04:41.760
where it's like, oh, yeah, you know he's a big famous boxer

1839
02:04:41.800 --> 02:04:44.119
and stuff. But I think a
lot of people that weren't alive during that

1840
02:04:44.199 --> 02:04:46.159
didn't realize, like, no,
he's not just a good boxer, He's

1841
02:04:46.239 --> 02:04:51.479
he thinking murders people. He is
a fucking stone cold killer. He could

1842
02:04:51.640 --> 02:04:55.960
kill you with his fists, Like
of course you could land a punch,

1843
02:04:56.239 --> 02:05:00.640
but then he'll kill you. I
still think twelve. I'm going twelve,

1844
02:05:00.760 --> 02:05:03.760
like he makes draw mary. The
only thing this might not be fair because

1845
02:05:03.760 --> 02:05:08.880
I have a lot of boxing experience, so this might not be super fair.

1846
02:05:09.199 --> 02:05:12.640
I'm not going to survive of this. You can't do this he would

1847
02:05:12.760 --> 02:05:15.119
kill both of you. Okay,
reminds me of when they were like,

1848
02:05:15.840 --> 02:05:18.399
did you like statistically, we can
look it up. I don't remember the

1849
02:05:18.439 --> 02:05:24.720
actual statistic of how many men thought
that they could return a serve from Serena

1850
02:05:24.800 --> 02:05:27.880
Williams, and it was like an
absurd amount. It was like it was

1851
02:05:27.920 --> 02:05:30.319
like thirty percent. Thirty percent of
men were like, I mean I could

1852
02:05:30.399 --> 02:05:35.479
return a serve from a woman,
and it's like that ball would go clean

1853
02:05:35.720 --> 02:05:41.319
through your skull, you stupid person. He's not like, this is no

1854
02:05:41.560 --> 02:05:44.920
rules. It's not like he's going
to be like waiting for the ref to

1855
02:05:45.039 --> 02:05:49.640
ding ding. He's going to come
at you like a fucking massive, unbelievable,

1856
02:05:50.279 --> 02:05:57.520
fucking wait. He's going to just
grab you and throw you. He's

1857
02:05:57.520 --> 02:06:00.840
going to squeeze your neck, twelve
of me. He's gonna squeeze your neck,

1858
02:06:01.920 --> 02:06:04.880
you like a pimple. He's gonna
be grabbing your neck of us,

1859
02:06:05.079 --> 02:06:10.279
breaking them. He'll break Dan,
He'll he will pick you up and break

1860
02:06:10.439 --> 02:06:13.479
you. He'll break I think he's
just gonna punch. I think all you

1861
02:06:13.560 --> 02:06:15.399
need to do is punch a lot. That's a thing once. I'm just

1862
02:06:15.439 --> 02:06:20.119
saying he'll twelve twelve is all I
need. Twelve of us jumping on him.

1863
02:06:20.199 --> 02:06:24.439
I weigh one sixty twelve of us
just getting on top. Sure,

1864
02:06:24.439 --> 02:06:27.000
a bunch of us are gonna die, but like it's a matter of just

1865
02:06:27.079 --> 02:06:29.760
like at a certain point you suffocate
him. It's the battle of attrition.

1866
02:06:30.439 --> 02:06:33.600
Yeah, there's my number. I
think would be two hundred and fifty.

1867
02:06:34.439 --> 02:06:40.680
No, realistically, I say twenty
twenty. What if four of four of

1868
02:06:40.800 --> 02:06:44.119
me are on his back dragging him
down, two or three of me are

1869
02:06:44.159 --> 02:06:46.439
just shifting their pants in a corner, and the rest are just like gouging

1870
02:06:46.520 --> 02:06:49.520
eyes and kicking balls. That's what
I was thinking. You know, you're

1871
02:06:49.520 --> 02:06:51.840
gonna need a bell one hundred,
That's what I'm thinking. So the reason

1872
02:06:51.840 --> 02:06:59.039
I say fifty is the first fifty
he's just gonna be doing this. You

1873
02:06:59.279 --> 02:07:03.239
have to get him tired. So
I'm just gonna be sending waves and waves

1874
02:07:03.279 --> 02:07:08.079
of mary at him while he's like
getting a little tired. He's gonna just

1875
02:07:08.159 --> 02:07:11.000
be like, oh my god,
I'm killing so many women, and he's

1876
02:07:11.039 --> 02:07:15.880
like gonna be a little exhausted.
After about fifty or sixty years. Then

1877
02:07:16.159 --> 02:07:20.000
women I'm getting I gotta kill him. And so then we start going for

1878
02:07:20.119 --> 02:07:23.880
his legs, right, and now
he's gonna he's gonna like bash a couple

1879
02:07:23.960 --> 02:07:26.760
of them and knock me down.
But once we get to about one hundred,

1880
02:07:27.399 --> 02:07:30.600
we'll have enough around his ankles that
the other of us can push him

1881
02:07:30.640 --> 02:07:35.199
over. And that's when the eye
gouging starts. Once you start poking his

1882
02:07:35.319 --> 02:07:39.760
eyeballs and we can get a couple, we both get both eyeballs down and

1883
02:07:39.840 --> 02:07:42.560
he's blind. I got a chance, But then I think it's gonna take

1884
02:07:42.560 --> 02:07:48.439
another fifty to actually kill him.
How are you killing him? Uh?

1885
02:07:48.720 --> 02:07:51.399
Well, we're not. You know, no weapons, is what I've been

1886
02:07:51.479 --> 02:07:56.840
told. So I was just gonna
like put my fists together and just smash

1887
02:07:56.920 --> 02:08:01.039
his skull bludgeon with my own.
But it's gonna take a lot of me.

1888
02:08:01.159 --> 02:08:03.880
And like I said, I'm gonna
lose fifty from the get go,

1889
02:08:05.239 --> 02:08:07.279
just to tire him out, just
to wear him down. I think he's

1890
02:08:07.319 --> 02:08:13.840
gonna have to kill it out fifty
of me. Twelve Fuck off, twelve,

1891
02:08:13.880 --> 02:08:16.800
I'm spending normal people. I'm just
thinking of, like how easily he

1892
02:08:18.000 --> 02:08:24.399
was like destroying the brains of professional
fighters with one punch regularly during his career.

1893
02:08:24.680 --> 02:08:30.640
Imagine us our heads are just flying
off, damaged the brains of professional

1894
02:08:31.039 --> 02:08:37.079
fighters. He got a lot of
boxing experience. Really, this wouldn't necessarily

1895
02:08:37.159 --> 02:08:43.960
be the unfair well realistically speaking,
him put a fist clean through your skull

1896
02:08:43.359 --> 02:08:48.000
and then looking at each other and
you're like, yeah, we still got

1897
02:08:48.079 --> 02:08:52.760
this. I do not got me. I make it clear, I do

1898
02:08:52.880 --> 02:08:56.640
not got this. It's the stubbornness. I think like two dozen to me,

1899
02:08:56.920 --> 02:09:00.359
we'd have it. I'd be doing
like weird gorilla tactic. I'd be

1900
02:09:00.439 --> 02:09:03.960
like scratching at his ankles and trying
to get like feces in there, and

1901
02:09:03.079 --> 02:09:05.640
like, well, we'll break him
down over time. He's gonna get sick.

1902
02:09:07.680 --> 02:09:09.720
Anybody who is not did not grow
my guys, give him Gang Green.

1903
02:09:11.279 --> 02:09:15.520
Look up Mike Tyson Ko montages,
but then also look up Mike Tyson

1904
02:09:15.720 --> 02:09:18.920
interview montage, just because it's like
it's a two pronged thing with him.

1905
02:09:18.960 --> 02:09:22.760
It's him murdering people with punches and
him saying things like I'm going to eat

1906
02:09:22.840 --> 02:09:28.520
his children, and you believe him
him my style, My style is impregna.

1907
02:09:28.600 --> 02:09:31.880
So I was impetuous. My dependent
is impregnable. He's not Alexander.

1908
02:09:31.920 --> 02:09:35.840
I'm a Alexander. I want your
heart. I'm gonna eat his children.

1909
02:09:37.039 --> 02:09:41.079
But he also says I'm sunny.
Listen, I'm Jack Dempsey. I'm cut

1910
02:09:41.119 --> 02:09:43.640
from their cloth. It's at the
beginning of one of um oh, is

1911
02:09:43.640 --> 02:09:48.079
it talb? Well, Mike hus
is out of control? All right,

1912
02:09:48.079 --> 02:09:54.520
I'm twelve baby. Question twelve deaths
okay, thirteen shortest match in the history.

1913
02:09:56.600 --> 02:10:00.880
I will wait, wait really quick. I will say twelve of me

1914
02:10:01.359 --> 02:10:05.399
would stand a better chance to kill
Mike Tyson than I have to return a

1915
02:10:05.520 --> 02:10:11.000
Serena Williams serve. Yeah. Yeah, it's more likely that I would beat

1916
02:10:11.039 --> 02:10:13.119
Mike Tyson than return a serve from
her. I agree. I think we

1917
02:10:13.159 --> 02:10:16.600
should all take a lesson that you
cannot return a serve from Serena Williams.

1918
02:10:16.680 --> 02:10:20.439
But like the statistics of that of
how many people are like I think I

1919
02:10:20.520 --> 02:10:26.359
can return a serve. It's just
like you fool. That's like saying you

1920
02:10:26.399 --> 02:10:31.319
could hit you could just step on
into a baseball field and hit a fastball

1921
02:10:31.479 --> 02:10:37.640
from from Kurt Schilling. It's because
it's Serena woman, so it's different.

1922
02:10:37.760 --> 02:10:43.760
Yeah. Second question from Mike,
could you shoot a shotgun? At the

1923
02:10:43.880 --> 02:10:48.000
water to break your fall if you
jumped from a high place, or we're

1924
02:10:48.039 --> 02:10:54.079
talking about spreading my much cheeks.
Yeah, no, I don't want to

1925
02:10:54.119 --> 02:10:56.439
break my fall. That's the whole
point. I want the water up my

1926
02:10:56.520 --> 02:11:01.239
rectum, Like I don't I want
that a nurse man, I'm not gonna

1927
02:11:01.319 --> 02:11:03.119
I'm not gonna fucking make up a
day not do what I wanted to do

1928
02:11:05.640 --> 02:11:09.199
with a shotgun, although, like
Tears of the Kingdom has me thinking like

1929
02:11:11.119 --> 02:11:15.159
maybe there's a way to repel,
like that's that's Tears the Kingdom level thinking.

1930
02:11:15.239 --> 02:11:18.079
But no, I want I'm spreading
my cheeks specifically so it shoots up.

1931
02:11:20.399 --> 02:11:22.960
And what if you could fill a
shotgun with water and shoot it up

1932
02:11:22.960 --> 02:11:26.279
your ass? What if I could? Or like what if I did and

1933
02:11:26.560 --> 02:11:33.199
I did? They say a body
is seventy five percent water. Not mine.

1934
02:11:35.239 --> 02:11:41.600
I'm pushing, I'm hydrated, unbothered, I have a gun up my

1935
02:11:41.680 --> 02:11:46.079
ass. People come over to our
apartment and it's like, oh man,

1936
02:11:46.119 --> 02:11:48.199
it's like, oh, he's just
doing a shotgun animal. It's fine.

1937
02:11:50.079 --> 02:11:56.039
It's like that Homer when he made
the makeup. Yeah, women don't want

1938
02:11:56.079 --> 02:11:58.479
to be shot in the face.
How many people like, I know,

1939
02:11:58.560 --> 02:12:01.520
people get really into guns. How
many people do you think have put guns

1940
02:12:01.640 --> 02:12:05.920
up their ass? Oh my god, Dan, what kind of question is

1941
02:12:05.960 --> 02:12:11.159
that? Genuine? One? Five
thousand genuine? I have no idea.

1942
02:12:13.000 --> 02:12:16.920
I mean, it's a non zero. What more would it take more dance

1943
02:12:18.000 --> 02:12:24.560
to kill Mike Tyson than people who
have actually put so many probably put like

1944
02:12:24.920 --> 02:12:30.039
you don't know what gets people going? Derek from Ottawa, Thank you so

1945
02:12:30.399 --> 02:12:33.800
much for this question. Dan,
you want to read this second. This

1946
02:12:33.920 --> 02:12:37.600
one's more game oriented from Alex.
Yes, Hey, Gang, Whenever VR

1947
02:12:37.760 --> 02:12:41.880
comes up, it's nearly always with
the context that it's not there yet.

1948
02:12:41.359 --> 02:12:45.279
People still get sick and have to
take a break. Ye. My question

1949
02:12:45.479 --> 02:12:48.880
is at some point does that go
away or is that always going to be

1950
02:12:48.880 --> 02:12:50.520
an innate problem? Giving your DP
expertise and the tech development world, is

1951
02:12:50.560 --> 02:12:54.000
VR ever going to get there?
Alex, I think I'm a long enough

1952
02:12:54.079 --> 02:12:58.680
timeline, Like, look, it's
not gonna be this exact same thing it's

1953
02:12:58.720 --> 02:13:01.039
been for the last you know,
five ten years. It's gonna get better,

1954
02:13:01.159 --> 02:13:05.439
it's gonna get lighter, it's gonna
like find clever ways to kind of

1955
02:13:05.479 --> 02:13:09.399
get around some of the stuff.
Whether it becomes the fucking like Ready Player

1956
02:13:09.479 --> 02:13:13.039
one dominant, like everyone's fucking in
VR and it's you know, like whatever

1957
02:13:13.199 --> 02:13:16.279
Zuckerberg's vision of it is or whatever. I don't know in our lifetimes if

1958
02:13:16.319 --> 02:13:20.479
it's getting there. I think we're
so far away from it right now,

1959
02:13:20.760 --> 02:13:24.560
and I don't really see a lot
of Look at the fucking PlayStation VR two

1960
02:13:24.760 --> 02:13:28.399
that came out what two months ago, and no one fucking talks about it

1961
02:13:28.560 --> 02:13:33.039
ever. Ever, Ever, it's
less. Yeah, the tech will get

1962
02:13:33.079 --> 02:13:35.920
there to the point where it's just
like a pair of normal glasses we could

1963
02:13:35.920 --> 02:13:39.199
put on like that size and like
headphones. At that point it'll be comfortable.

1964
02:13:39.720 --> 02:13:43.680
It's like, well enough people keep
buying each iteration to make companies think

1965
02:13:43.720 --> 02:13:48.680
it's worth making getting there, And
I don't know like that for a fact,

1966
02:13:48.479 --> 02:13:52.520
Like there's money in VR, we
won't get there. Yeah, there

1967
02:13:52.720 --> 02:13:58.399
is money in being able to transport
people who cannot go to a place and

1968
02:13:58.560 --> 02:14:01.960
make them feel that they're going to
place. So yes, we'll get there.

1969
02:14:01.399 --> 02:14:03.800
I agree with Dan, I'm not
sure if we'll get there in our

1970
02:14:05.720 --> 02:14:09.000
gen I think it's going to take
years for technology to get us to a

1971
02:14:09.039 --> 02:14:16.119
place where you genuinely feel like you
are transported safely and without sickness. But

1972
02:14:18.760 --> 02:14:20.119
we will get there, and I
don't think it will ever go away.

1973
02:14:20.199 --> 02:14:24.760
You will never see a world in
which people aren't pursuing VR so much money.

1974
02:14:24.760 --> 02:14:30.199
It's a white whale man ideah.
But like PSBR did not sell well

1975
02:14:30.279 --> 02:14:33.680
at all, I know, but
a lot of VR didn't sell well and

1976
02:14:33.800 --> 02:14:37.199
will continue to make it because there's
money in the concept of it. When

1977
02:14:37.239 --> 02:14:41.000
I am old, I will put
on a headset and I will run through

1978
02:14:41.239 --> 02:14:46.319
fields and kill Mike Tyson when I
am like ninety. So that's my question

1979
02:14:46.479 --> 02:14:52.479
is like how many iterations of it
have to fail commercially before they're like it's

1980
02:14:52.520 --> 02:14:56.640
not even worth Like, yeah,
it's it's, it's it's it's gonna not

1981
02:14:56.760 --> 02:15:01.319
make money every time until they finally
get and then it'll make money. But

1982
02:15:01.439 --> 02:15:03.720
like, how do you yeah,
like, is there a period where it

1983
02:15:03.920 --> 02:15:07.319
kind of like right now we're still
seeing frequent releases of in VR two and

1984
02:15:07.399 --> 02:15:11.319
The Quest two and stuff like that. Is there a downtime, like a

1985
02:15:11.439 --> 02:15:13.800
dormant time of you know, ten
fifteen years and then there's some tech breakthrough.

1986
02:15:15.000 --> 02:15:16.960
I think there will all be a
sudden you know, like or do

1987
02:15:16.039 --> 02:15:20.239
they keep kind of trying for fifteen
years and failing until it gets a little

1988
02:15:20.279 --> 02:15:20.920
better. Like what I'm saying,
it's like, I don't know how,

1989
02:15:22.039 --> 02:15:24.960
I don't know who who's going to
keep pouring the money into this development if

1990
02:15:26.000 --> 02:15:28.960
it's gonna just fail every time.
Like PSVR two, I don't know offhand

1991
02:15:30.000 --> 02:15:33.239
whether failure is too strong of a
word. I know they definitely did not

1992
02:15:33.319 --> 02:15:41.720
sell extremely well. But as someone
who I think likes VR the VR two

1993
02:15:41.239 --> 02:15:46.359
but more than most people, but
even I still like it's just a bit

1994
02:15:46.399 --> 02:15:48.199
of a hassle, like it needs
to be. It's the best r head

1995
02:15:48.239 --> 02:15:52.199
said, I think, but I
still have not put it on past the

1996
02:15:52.319 --> 02:15:56.479
coverage I did when it launched.
Yeah, so like Humanity, I'm playing

1997
02:15:56.520 --> 02:15:58.760
Humanity now. I loaded it up
and it said there's like a PSBR two

1998
02:16:00.319 --> 02:16:01.800
or whatever, and I was like, yeah, there's my helmet or my

1999
02:16:01.880 --> 02:16:05.319
headset right there. I could,
but it's just we're not there. It's

2000
02:16:05.359 --> 02:16:09.279
not it's not a better experience than
just sitting here and playing with controller.

2001
02:16:09.560 --> 02:16:13.680
I'm just saying, like, I
don't think they're complete overt failures either.

2002
02:16:13.960 --> 02:16:18.720
You're probably assuming that what makes technology
like that successful is how many copies or

2003
02:16:18.800 --> 02:16:22.319
how many pieces of hardware it sells. But there's actually a lot more to

2004
02:16:22.399 --> 02:16:24.479
it than that you can sell the
test I've just admitted several times there's more

2005
02:16:24.520 --> 02:16:28.119
to it. I'm just saying how
many iterations. I'm just saying it's a

2006
02:16:28.159 --> 02:16:31.280
little bit bigger than what you think
mine. But that's like, yeah,

2007
02:16:31.360 --> 02:16:35.239
that's I think it'll open your mind
up a little bit. Mike, take

2008
02:16:35.319 --> 02:16:41.760
some drugs. You're fucking you,
heap of bones. I think there's there's

2009
02:16:41.879 --> 02:16:45.680
a lot of different ways to make
money with VR is So I think there's

2010
02:16:46.079 --> 02:16:48.959
more going on than what meets the
eye. And I think it's such an

2011
02:16:48.040 --> 02:16:56.440
untapped resource because of the potential there
when we talk about like when this is

2012
02:16:56.520 --> 02:17:05.360
crazy because technology has come such an
un believable elaborate like VR wasn't possible well

2013
02:17:05.440 --> 02:17:11.719
a couple decades ago, and now
it's crazy what's possible. So I'm weary

2014
02:17:11.879 --> 02:17:15.520
of saying it won't happen in our
lifetime. I suspect in the next twenty

2015
02:17:15.639 --> 02:17:20.280
thirty years it's going to be pretty
fun. What's the curve called Isaac curve?

2016
02:17:20.799 --> 02:17:24.040
No, Isaac's what the hell?
I'll look it up there's one that's

2017
02:17:24.079 --> 02:17:31.959
like, ah, comes Razor.
No, there's one Palmer's peak thought experiments

2018
02:17:31.000 --> 02:17:37.280
at me, It's like, that's
it at a certain point, like the

2019
02:17:37.360 --> 02:17:41.879
curve, just like levels off and
you've hit like the peak of that tech

2020
02:17:41.959 --> 02:17:43.440
you're trying to make, and it's
like, we're nowhere near that yet for

2021
02:17:43.559 --> 02:17:46.840
VR, Mary, you're right,
And then you say that like you could

2022
02:17:46.840 --> 02:17:48.079
sell the tech and stuff like that. But on the other end, like

2023
02:17:48.200 --> 02:17:52.440
if you are a game developer and
you're trying to say what your next project

2024
02:17:52.559 --> 02:17:54.959
is that you're going to invest money
in, and like you look at it,

2025
02:17:54.040 --> 02:17:58.280
you're like, well, no one's
really like the install base for this

2026
02:17:58.440 --> 02:18:01.719
headset is like no one really buying
it or whatever, Like are you going

2027
02:18:01.799 --> 02:18:05.440
to even put the time and effort
into making a good VR experience when you

2028
02:18:05.479 --> 02:18:07.799
could just make a traditional game?
And probably so way more. You know,

2029
02:18:07.239 --> 02:18:11.520
yes, because a company will come
to you and say we're making a

2030
02:18:11.600 --> 02:18:15.159
brand new, cool piece of tech, and we will give you twenty million

2031
02:18:15.159 --> 02:18:18.479
dollars to make this game and hello, we're a PlayStation day. It happens

2032
02:18:18.559 --> 02:18:22.920
all the time. I have a
girlfriend who worked in VR who specifically,

2033
02:18:22.000 --> 02:18:26.360
well she was making regular indie games
and then switched to VR because they were

2034
02:18:26.399 --> 02:18:28.799
like, well, just pay you
money, and she was like, I

2035
02:18:28.879 --> 02:18:35.520
actually have safer income taking corporations money
to make and try an experiment and make

2036
02:18:35.639 --> 02:18:39.319
funky new VR games. And it's
actually been really liberating for a lot of

2037
02:18:39.440 --> 02:18:45.200
game developers because they're basically giving you
a bag of money and saying all we're

2038
02:18:45.239 --> 02:18:48.079
asking for is to make it in
VR, but go have fun, make

2039
02:18:48.120 --> 02:18:52.639
whatever you want, and so they
they don't have to worry anymore. Capitalism

2040
02:18:54.079 --> 02:18:58.760
works because someone's making money off something. Yes, so who is making The

2041
02:19:00.000 --> 02:19:01.840
developers are getting paid, that's like, that's great, the people who are

2042
02:19:01.959 --> 02:19:07.079
funding it. At what point do
they start saying, oh, we haven't

2043
02:19:07.120 --> 02:19:11.600
made any money. Yes, I
agree wholeheartedly. It's if we were to

2044
02:19:11.719 --> 02:19:15.479
like get VR to its peak,
there will be a lot of money there.

2045
02:19:15.799 --> 02:19:20.319
I'm saying, yeah, maybe it
is something like maybe Games for a

2046
02:19:20.559 --> 02:19:22.200
finally will take a break from it
for a bit until it gets more of

2047
02:19:22.239 --> 02:19:24.959
fine, and then they come back
with the PSVR three and it's fucking awesome

2048
02:19:26.040 --> 02:19:28.360
or something. But like that's my
confusion. I'm not saying I know.

2049
02:19:28.479 --> 02:19:33.399
I'm just like, why why do
these companies think they're gonna make money off

2050
02:19:33.399 --> 02:19:39.559
it run by idiots, idiots that
my question is it a pyramid scheme.

2051
02:19:41.079 --> 02:19:45.639
Companies latch onto every fucking buzzword and
like, look at fucking metaverse and NFT

2052
02:19:45.840 --> 02:19:52.479
and look how quickly every douchebag fucking
like every yeah work and those fucking calls

2053
02:19:52.520 --> 02:19:56.120
and stuff. Where's like metaverse and
yes, we're gonna You don't know what

2054
02:19:56.200 --> 02:19:58.920
the fuck you're talking about NFT,
Like somebody saw their idiot douchebag corp.

2055
02:20:00.000 --> 02:20:03.000
A friend on LinkedIn talk about NFT
is being in the future, and everyone

2056
02:20:03.040 --> 02:20:05.959
buys into it because they're dumb ass
idiots with money, and like all the

2057
02:20:05.000 --> 02:20:07.319
people who actually know the stuff say, no, this is actually pipe rings,

2058
02:20:07.319 --> 02:20:11.639
isn't gonna work whatever, but they
don't listen. But money still changes

2059
02:20:11.719 --> 02:20:15.920
hands off of that, whether or
not it's real or not. And I

2060
02:20:16.000 --> 02:20:18.360
don't even think it's like that.
They're like a bunch of like ding Dong's

2061
02:20:18.479 --> 02:20:22.799
like pigeons walking around with money.
I think what happens is is in the

2062
02:20:22.920 --> 02:20:26.040
VC world, in the venture capitalist
world. I like heard this like interesting.

2063
02:20:28.760 --> 02:20:31.559
I won't like get into details,
but I heard this story of like

2064
02:20:31.639 --> 02:20:35.319
someone who was like, oh,
you have to like raise a little bit

2065
02:20:35.360 --> 02:20:37.719
more money. Why don't you go
raise another buck? And the team was

2066
02:20:37.799 --> 02:20:41.479
like, raise how much? And
they were like a buck a million,

2067
02:20:43.959 --> 02:20:50.200
Because to venture capitalists, raising a
buck a million is just like a thing

2068
02:20:50.280 --> 02:20:54.799
that you do. You just raise
a buck. We're talking about a ridiculous

2069
02:20:54.840 --> 02:21:01.399
sums of money. And when you're
putting bids a buck into like six different

2070
02:21:01.440 --> 02:21:05.760
pots, one of them is likely
to make a return and return that value

2071
02:21:05.760 --> 02:21:11.879
back. VR is always a bucket
because it's an untapped resource that one day

2072
02:21:11.319 --> 02:21:18.000
will return Mike's right, maybe it
hasn't returned yet, but there's enough honeypots

2073
02:21:18.040 --> 02:21:20.719
out there. People are constantly like, I will put money into these three

2074
02:21:20.840 --> 02:21:24.200
spaces and one of them will be
VR, and one day that shit will

2075
02:21:24.200 --> 02:21:28.360
be a cash cow and we'll be
like, we knew it, We should

2076
02:21:28.399 --> 02:21:33.000
have invested in the oculus twelve and
you just you have to like, no,

2077
02:21:33.079 --> 02:21:35.440
when to play that bet. This
person that wrote this, Alex,

2078
02:21:35.559 --> 02:21:41.360
is an investor and he's trying to
get our sweet, sweet honey and I

2079
02:21:41.479 --> 02:21:46.319
won't tell you which one to invest
in, but it's coming, and it's

2080
02:21:46.360 --> 02:21:52.360
coming within the next twenty years.
Twenty now, so in our lifetime,

2081
02:21:52.879 --> 02:21:56.159
yes, I changed my mind.
Okay, between okay, let's say of

2082
02:21:56.280 --> 02:22:03.040
the three dumb honeypots here between VR, metaverse and NFTs. I know those

2083
02:22:03.120 --> 02:22:05.959
last two can be kind of intertwined
and stuff. Which one do you think

2084
02:22:07.120 --> 02:22:09.559
in twenty years you could play this
audio? Remember those like early audio from

2085
02:22:09.760 --> 02:22:13.879
ninety five of like people like writing
articles about the internet, but no one's

2086
02:22:13.920 --> 02:22:18.719
gonna be buying things on the internet. Which one? Yeah, mark my

2087
02:22:18.799 --> 02:22:22.239
word, will we look like a
dumb ass if we say like like which

2088
02:22:22.280 --> 02:22:28.280
one? Facebook? Even Facebook Meta
has started to walk back metaverse stuff.

2089
02:22:28.280 --> 02:22:31.040
I don't think it'll be metaverse.
That's they changed the name of the fucking

2090
02:22:31.120 --> 02:22:35.799
company, right that and they're also
not doing well. But um, that

2091
02:22:35.319 --> 02:22:41.079
was I don't think the metaverse.
I think people have realized the metaverse is

2092
02:22:41.120 --> 02:22:50.200
done. NFTs I also think are
not. There's more puney pots dan from

2093
02:22:50.399 --> 02:22:54.719
from if I were to guess a
honeypot. That actually, from my very

2094
02:22:54.840 --> 02:22:58.680
limited understanding, is like whenever I
hear about the blockchain, it sounds to

2095
02:22:58.760 --> 02:23:01.959
me like I don't know shit about
the blockchain. I don't know how it

2096
02:23:01.000 --> 02:23:05.920
works, what it does, why
it's important. But everyone that seems like

2097
02:23:05.000 --> 02:23:09.000
they know what they're talking about says
that, like, the blockchain itself is

2098
02:23:09.000 --> 02:23:13.399
like an interesting piece of technology.
Yeah, NFTs and all that shit tied

2099
02:23:13.440 --> 02:23:16.040
to it are all just fucking like
schemes and dumb stuff or whatever. I

2100
02:23:16.200 --> 02:23:20.159
don't know why, but it seems
like people are actually well actually, even

2101
02:23:20.200 --> 02:23:22.239
like anti NFT people are like,
the blockchain is actually a really interesting piece

2102
02:23:22.239 --> 02:23:26.559
of technology that could actually like could
change the Internet use. Yeah, yeah,

2103
02:23:26.559 --> 02:23:30.879
I don't know what that means.
Facebook started as something totally different as

2104
02:23:30.920 --> 02:23:33.559
well as like the Harvard Is it
some kind of food? Yeah? Can

2105
02:23:33.639 --> 02:23:39.440
I eat a blockchain? I love
to imagine Dan as a venture capitalist,

2106
02:23:39.520 --> 02:23:41.799
like walking around with like wads of
money and being like, how would this

2107
02:23:41.920 --> 02:23:46.639
compare to a train which I can
also afford? They're like, I don't

2108
02:23:46.680 --> 02:23:52.079
know, one am I invested in
trains and this bullshit thing over here one

2109
02:23:52.120 --> 02:23:58.239
of them? You're diversifying the portfolio, But yeah, that's important when I'm

2110
02:23:58.680 --> 02:24:05.479
big king my hot pocket? Is
it reheating? What are you doing for

2111
02:24:05.559 --> 02:24:09.920
the hot pocket? You know,
technology of tomorrow buy you could buy hot

2112
02:24:11.000 --> 02:24:13.920
pocket, like the thing the company? How many hot pockets could I get

2113
02:24:15.239 --> 02:24:20.079
for a million dollars. Favorite dumb
brand things is when like obviously some giant

2114
02:24:20.200 --> 02:24:24.639
brand with a ton of money has
been conned into thinking that like some metaverse

2115
02:24:24.719 --> 02:24:26.360
thing is a big deal. It's
like, we're gonna host a big event

2116
02:24:26.479 --> 02:24:31.200
in the metaverse, and the news
of sea clips of like just some shitty

2117
02:24:31.239 --> 02:24:35.399
ass looking dude up there like a
Walmart stage and there's like two idiot avatars

2118
02:24:35.479 --> 02:24:41.000
like spinning in circles or vomiting in
the crowd, and some poor actual human

2119
02:24:41.120 --> 02:24:45.200
has to be voicing this dipshit guy
on the Walmart stage, and it's just

2120
02:24:45.360 --> 02:24:48.559
the saddest, weirdest, most dystopian
thing, and it's fucking hilarious to me.

2121
02:24:50.000 --> 02:24:52.920
I love that they're nowhere. They're
nowhere near what they want to be

2122
02:24:54.000 --> 02:24:56.680
with that stuff past. I feel
like we're past it. Like I don't

2123
02:24:56.719 --> 02:25:00.239
see as much metaverse. I think
so, I think, But I not

2124
02:25:00.319 --> 02:25:03.680
invest in anything based on what happens
in this podcast. This is not like

2125
02:25:03.760 --> 02:25:09.879
a money podcast where this is all
hard. This is hard and fast Wall

2126
02:25:09.959 --> 02:25:16.120
Street advice. Yea, I know
what you can invest in. Fire Escape

2127
02:25:16.159 --> 02:25:24.879
merch our. Fire Escape merch always
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2128
02:25:24.959 --> 02:25:28.799
me on that, or record this
or keep it and play it back for

2129
02:25:28.959 --> 02:25:35.639
us. It doesn't count. When
you go to fire escapecast dot com or

2130
02:25:35.040 --> 02:25:43.399
patreon dot com slash fire Escape,
you'll go to our patreon fire Escape shut

2131
02:25:43.479 --> 02:25:50.200
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2132
02:25:50.280 --> 02:25:54.559
Well, you will find a whole
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2133
02:25:54.559 --> 02:25:58.760
Com goes to our paton. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Listen,

2134
02:25:58.840 --> 02:26:01.959
I wasn't done this bit. Why
did you say that you went to a

2135
02:26:03.000 --> 02:26:09.280
place that didn't go to I read
the wrong. You guys didn't let me

2136
02:26:09.319 --> 02:26:13.479
correct myself. Okay, we're just
actively losing money by interrupting her telling people

2137
02:26:13.520 --> 02:26:18.000
to buy our merch. I'm going
to test all these ls. Let me

2138
02:26:18.120 --> 02:26:22.840
finished my bit. Fire Escape merch
dot com is where you'll get all of

2139
02:26:22.959 --> 02:26:28.239
your investment opportunities. They always come
back tenfold. All right, it checks

2140
02:26:28.280 --> 02:26:31.319
out. I'm looking at mugs.
I'm looking at the liquid beverage containers.

2141
02:26:31.440 --> 02:26:35.319
Yes, okay, okay, you're
naming. It's a mug, yeah,

2142
02:26:37.319 --> 02:26:43.600
a beverage container. No, they
container is a water bottle. Yeah,

2143
02:26:43.200 --> 02:26:50.360
they're all the same. For the
other the other website, Dan, Yes,

2144
02:26:50.799 --> 02:26:52.159
oh wait, yeah, I'll do
Patron. Uh yeah. If you

2145
02:26:52.520 --> 02:26:58.440
are a listener on Spotify or iTunes, thank you very much. We appreciate

2146
02:26:58.520 --> 02:27:01.159
it. But if you're not a
Patriot, and you can go to our

2147
02:27:01.200 --> 02:27:05.200
Patreon you got a firescapecast dot com
or patreon dot com slash fire Escape and

2148
02:27:05.680 --> 02:27:09.399
you can get ad free episodes for
one tier. You can get video episodes

2149
02:27:09.479 --> 02:27:13.680
for another. You can also just
treat it as a tip jar if you'd

2150
02:27:13.719 --> 02:27:15.680
like. If you like what we're
doing, we appreciate the help. As

2151
02:27:15.760 --> 02:27:18.600
we always say, the Patreon money
is what allows us to do those big

2152
02:27:18.799 --> 02:27:24.719
end of the year extravaganzas. Right
now, the working plan is to go

2153
02:27:24.799 --> 02:27:28.879
to Portland this year as opposed to
Connecticut where we were last year, kind

2154
02:27:28.920 --> 02:27:31.639
of shift things around and give the
West Coast some love this year. But

2155
02:27:31.799 --> 02:27:35.760
Patreon, the patrons really make that
possible because that's where we get the nest

2156
02:27:35.799 --> 02:27:39.280
egg to be able to do travel
and food when we're actually traveling for that

2157
02:27:41.360 --> 02:27:45.040
Dan, Yes, what can people
do on Spotify if they like the show?

2158
02:27:45.520 --> 02:27:46.520
Look, folks, you gotta do
a lot of things during your day

2159
02:27:46.559 --> 02:27:48.600
that you don't want to do.
Things that are a pain. You got

2160
02:27:48.799 --> 02:27:52.959
you gotta talk to your boss about
a promotion. You gotta change a diaper,

2161
02:27:52.040 --> 02:27:54.719
your sinks clogged up, you gotta
buy draino, and you gotta get

2162
02:27:54.760 --> 02:27:56.760
all the hair out of there.
Things that you don't want to do,

2163
02:27:56.920 --> 02:28:00.479
Things that are hard to do and
take time. You know what doesn't take

2164
02:28:00.559 --> 02:28:03.639
time and isn't hard to do.
Load up your Spotify app. You might

2165
02:28:03.680 --> 02:28:05.760
be listening to us right now on
there, and just click the five star

2166
02:28:05.879 --> 02:28:09.559
on the rating thing helps us out, thank you, and then if you

2167
02:28:09.600 --> 02:28:11.280
want to give us less than five
stars. We actually go by different aliases.

2168
02:28:11.319 --> 02:28:18.680
There's kind of funny. There's Conan
O'Brien needs a friend. Ye armchair

2169
02:28:18.840 --> 02:28:24.719
experts. Um cereal cereal, that's
a new one. Is that still a

2170
02:28:24.799 --> 02:28:30.559
thing? Yeah? I think so
probably? Uh well, great those episode

2171
02:28:30.559 --> 02:28:37.159
fifty five. We'll get Jake back
on the crew. Next episode. He's

2172
02:28:37.559 --> 02:28:41.479
traveling the world. Yeah, he'll
be you'll, um, we'll all be

2173
02:28:41.520 --> 02:28:45.879
able to we'll all be hanging out
in a few weeks, in like a

2174
02:28:45.959 --> 02:28:48.440
month from this recording. Oh yeah
we are, yes, yes, later

2175
02:28:48.559 --> 02:28:52.360
in June. Um, yeah,
we'll be back with episode fifty six.

2176
02:28:52.680 --> 02:28:58.879
In a couple of weeks. That'll
be Monday, July fifth. We'll be

2177
02:28:58.920 --> 02:29:03.120
into July, June fifth, into
June, different month, Junius, Caesar,

2178
02:29:03.239 --> 02:29:07.040
true Dan. What do you have
going on? I got your giant

2179
02:29:07.079 --> 02:29:09.600
bomb dot com. Oh shit,
we're coming up Summer Games Fest. We

2180
02:29:09.719 --> 02:29:13.559
are going to be in LA on
the ground. We got guests on the

2181
02:29:13.719 --> 02:29:18.000
couch, we got stuff going on. I've been in meetings about that.

2182
02:29:18.200 --> 02:29:20.719
Kind of be a lot of fun, hopefully have some surprises, some fun,

2183
02:29:20.879 --> 02:29:24.840
some good interviews, things like that. We'll be checking out games on

2184
02:29:24.959 --> 02:29:28.639
the show floor. It's exciting.
I have not been in Los Angeles and

2185
02:29:28.760 --> 02:29:31.559
June playing games and talking about them
on the internet since twenty nineteen. I

2186
02:29:31.639 --> 02:29:35.440
guess not a lot of people have
left. I left the industry for three

2187
02:29:35.559 --> 02:29:37.440
years, and everyone also had to
not do E three stuff for three years.

2188
02:29:37.520 --> 02:29:41.479
Turns out something happened. But no, I'm excited to go back and

2189
02:29:41.600 --> 02:29:45.079
do this. Maybe I'll maybe I'll
see you Mary, We'll see That would

2190
02:29:45.079 --> 02:29:52.120
be awesome. I shall also be
traveling for Twitch. Will be basically just

2191
02:29:52.280 --> 02:29:56.520
doing our Twitch things and getting ready
for twitch Con, which is happening this

2192
02:29:56.680 --> 02:30:01.879
summer. But right now I'm essentially
just running the games circuit and supporting streamers

2193
02:30:01.920 --> 02:30:05.360
on Twitch. And you can't find
me on the Twitch obviously, on Twitter

2194
02:30:05.639 --> 02:30:09.159
and Instagram under my name Mary.
Is that all you have going on?

2195
02:30:09.319 --> 02:30:13.399
Mary? You're sure you're not forgetting
anything? You sure about that? I

2196
02:30:13.680 --> 02:30:16.319
sure about. That's not why I
don't have anything else cool happening to me.

2197
02:30:16.879 --> 02:30:22.959
Really, nothing that you want to
plug, nothing that you care about

2198
02:30:22.840 --> 02:30:33.239
Resident Evil. There. I played
Resident Evil with my best buddy Mike,

2199
02:30:33.440 --> 02:30:39.239
and we have I think six episodes
now, and they are just gotten very

2200
02:30:39.280 --> 02:30:43.319
offended. You called me your best
buddy. You guys worked together. You

2201
02:30:43.399 --> 02:30:50.200
guys worked together. I get it, we're good, butts uh No,

2202
02:30:50.360 --> 02:30:52.639
it's because of a joke he told
me the other day, and I said,

2203
02:30:52.719 --> 02:30:56.079
that's some best bud joke stuff right
there. That's how you know,

2204
02:30:58.360 --> 02:31:01.079
you know, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just it's a consistent

2205
02:31:01.200 --> 02:31:03.639
joke I do on this show.
That's a reference to somebody I dislike.

2206
02:31:03.840 --> 02:31:07.280
It's very funny to me. It
bonds us. Anyway. The point is

2207
02:31:07.360 --> 02:31:13.319
is that Resident Evil is up on
our YouTube and it's three ninety nine.

2208
02:31:13.559 --> 02:31:16.639
You do not have to subscribe.
You don't even have to like you don't

2209
02:31:16.639 --> 02:31:20.959
have to do shit. You could
just go to fire Escape cast YouTube channel

2210
02:31:22.319 --> 02:31:24.000
and you will see the episodes.
We should put it in a playlist.

2211
02:31:24.239 --> 02:31:28.559
But it's been really funny, and
it's gotten progressively funnier. And the last

2212
02:31:28.600 --> 02:31:33.360
episode, we finally got Ashley and
I'm walking through the graveyard with my gun

2213
02:31:33.479 --> 02:31:37.840
drawn and I guess Ashley's AI just
got confused and she runs right in front

2214
02:31:37.879 --> 02:31:41.239
of me and I stabber and she
ducked it though, yeah, you both

2215
02:31:41.600 --> 02:31:45.879
reacted quickly. I kill her multiple
times in the latest episode, so it's

2216
02:31:46.159 --> 02:31:48.559
worth watching. We should tell folks, if you enjoy fire Escape, you

2217
02:31:48.639 --> 02:31:52.479
should follow the YouTube channel because you
know, up until now, it's been

2218
02:31:52.559 --> 02:31:54.479
like we didn't really have a reason
to, like, you know, we

2219
02:31:54.559 --> 02:31:56.079
had the Patreon stuff, like that's
where we host the stuff, but it's

2220
02:31:56.079 --> 02:31:58.159
like we don't really plug it or
anything. Well, now you guys are

2221
02:31:58.159 --> 02:32:03.360
actually playing through Resident Evil on the
fire Escape YouTube so obviously now that we've

2222
02:32:03.440 --> 02:32:07.079
like established it, future stuff,
Game of the Year things like that will

2223
02:32:07.399 --> 02:32:11.799
be there. It's not like we're
going to be video, but it makes

2224
02:32:11.159 --> 02:32:16.280
sense to be there that you can
see. Yeah, subscribing also is like

2225
02:32:16.399 --> 02:32:18.399
very much we play when we can
find an hour during the week, so

2226
02:32:18.520 --> 02:32:20.360
like we don't have a set schedule, so if you want to know,

2227
02:32:20.479 --> 02:32:24.000
no, it's pretty random. It's
pretty it's it's pretty random, but it's

2228
02:32:24.000 --> 02:32:26.360
worth it. It's a really funny
series and we love it. So do

2229
02:32:26.520 --> 02:32:31.360
go check out Resident Evil on that. And then the last thing I wanted

2230
02:32:31.360 --> 02:32:35.639
to plug is I was recently on
Minimax show with Ben. It was very

2231
02:32:35.680 --> 02:32:41.520
funny. We did trivia Trivia Tower. It's crazy the people who join this,

2232
02:32:41.719 --> 02:32:46.120
they're so smart. They're basically wikis
of games and they know every game

2233
02:32:46.200 --> 02:32:48.319
under the sun. And he'll give
them the most ridiculous clue and they'll be

2234
02:32:48.440 --> 02:32:52.959
like, oh, that's obviously Red
Dead Redemption too, and it's just like,

2235
02:32:52.120 --> 02:32:56.760
I'm blown away that they can pick
out these games. But we did

2236
02:32:56.920 --> 02:33:05.280
charades and I embarrass the everliving shit
out of myself trying to I don't know,

2237
02:33:05.559 --> 02:33:11.479
trying to charade games that I have
no business doing. Am I embarrass

2238
02:33:11.600 --> 02:33:20.319
myself multiple times. I try and
reenact a scene from Detroit Become Human and

2239
02:33:20.479 --> 02:33:24.520
it is bad. That sounds amazing. I guess I could just watch the

2240
02:33:24.639 --> 02:33:26.639
video. I'll describe it and then
you guys come here. Actors in that

2241
02:33:26.719 --> 02:33:31.159
game. Didn't know how the charades. You know, you understand how scharades

2242
02:33:31.159 --> 02:33:35.200
are, you know how to talk
and stuff like that, and he gave

2243
02:33:35.239 --> 02:33:37.879
me games like Angry Birds, which
I can handle. Right, I'm like,

2244
02:33:37.959 --> 02:33:41.120
I'm a bird, you know,
and like I'm angry. When I

2245
02:33:41.239 --> 02:33:45.000
got Detroit Become Human, I was
like, I literally don't know how to

2246
02:33:45.120 --> 02:33:48.319
tell people the word Detroit. I
definitely don't know how to tell people the

2247
02:33:48.399 --> 02:33:54.639
word become. And human is also
really difficult to grab, and so I

2248
02:33:54.840 --> 02:34:00.360
started re enacting the opening scene where
you grab when that guys got that woman

2249
02:34:00.360 --> 02:34:05.879
and he's like, I'll kill her
woman, and Ben is like looking at

2250
02:34:05.920 --> 02:34:09.600
me and he's like, I have
no idea what this is from. And

2251
02:34:09.719 --> 02:34:15.479
I was like, it's such an
iconic scene. Like he was like yeah,

2252
02:34:15.559 --> 02:34:18.520
she's like no, and he's like
I'll kill you. And then I

2253
02:34:18.639 --> 02:34:20.680
was like, oh, right,
you could be a robot. I never

2254
02:34:20.719 --> 02:34:24.760
played that game. Iconic scene in
Detroit. That's an oxymoron. Yeah,

2255
02:34:24.840 --> 02:34:31.760
yea, I heard. I heard
the news is out about mister Hanson and

2256
02:34:31.200 --> 02:34:35.399
h A'm procreating. That's a weird
way to say it. Yeah, he's

2257
02:34:35.440 --> 02:34:39.360
having a kid definitely. I don't
know why that worked. It was his

2258
02:34:39.520 --> 02:34:45.360
last episode because he's becoming a dad, and I'm really yeah, yeah,

2259
02:34:45.559 --> 02:34:52.159
that's fun to hear about. I
said that like a like a Disney villain.

2260
02:34:52.760 --> 02:34:54.680
No. I love Ben. I
know he's listening because this is a

2261
02:34:54.760 --> 02:34:58.520
podcast, so he listens to it. I just he's one of the most

2262
02:34:58.520 --> 02:35:03.600
past names people I've ever met,
and I can't wait to see his thought,

2263
02:35:03.680 --> 02:35:09.399
the way his brain wraps around being
a father and things like that.

2264
02:35:09.719 --> 02:35:13.600
I genuinely I wish him the best. I'm sure it's going to be a

2265
02:35:13.760 --> 02:35:16.959
learning process with a lot of joys
and struggles and stuff like that. And

2266
02:35:16.399 --> 02:35:20.440
yeah, I look forward to He
just seems like the most interesting person in

2267
02:35:20.440 --> 02:35:24.920
the world to me to have a
kid. He's interesting, for sure,

2268
02:35:24.120 --> 02:35:30.280
but he's also just unbelievably sweet and
so I am excited for his journey into

2269
02:35:30.399 --> 02:35:33.159
fatherdom and I appreciated being on the
show. So that was Trivia Tower,

2270
02:35:33.360 --> 02:35:37.079
and it's a very funny episode on
YouTube. So if you're interested in that,

2271
02:35:39.079 --> 02:35:41.000
I only gave away a couple of
the answers. If you watch it,

2272
02:35:41.280 --> 02:35:46.479
you can essentially try and guess before
chat solves it for you, and

2273
02:35:46.600 --> 02:35:50.559
you'll be amazed at how quick Chat
is. Like his audience is nuts,

2274
02:35:50.719 --> 02:35:54.879
Like I know exactly what that game
is, that obscure game from like nineteen

2275
02:35:54.079 --> 02:35:58.840
eighty two. It's ridiculous, very
very good. I'm always very surprising how

2276
02:36:00.040 --> 02:36:01.920
quickly they get it. And also
Trip Trivia Tower is an awesome show.

2277
02:36:03.120 --> 02:36:07.120
It's very funny. Problem I enjoyed
it. Go watch min Max, Go

2278
02:36:07.280 --> 02:36:11.000
be a patron for them. They're
doing great stuff. Yeah, all right,

2279
02:36:11.040 --> 02:36:13.879
those episode fifty five. We're only
we're halfway to one hundred and ten

2280
02:36:13.399 --> 02:36:18.399
till till done. We always said
we would only do one hundred, one

2281
02:36:18.479 --> 02:36:20.879
hundred ten that we're out. Check
the first episode. We said, one

2282
02:36:20.920 --> 02:36:22.760
hundred and ten is the goal.
Yeah, one hundred and ten. All

2283
02:36:22.840 --> 02:36:26.799
right, thank you everybody for hanging
out. We will see you on July

2284
02:36:28.200 --> 02:36:33.559
fifth, look it forward to that. Why fifth is our next June fifth?

2285
02:36:33.680 --> 02:36:37.520
Sorry, our next episode June fifth? Hell are you doing? What

2286
02:36:37.000 --> 02:36:39.840
the what the shops he talking about? June fifth? We'll be back.

2287
02:36:41.280 --> 02:36:46.639
Thanks for hanging out. Twelve mics. He would absolutely by your neck and

2288
02:36:46.920 --> 02:36:50.159
squeeze your eyeballs out of your skull. Yeah, I know. Two dozen

2289
02:36:50.440 --> 02:37:00.799
Bye everybody, see your next episode. The