WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:07.160 Creativity and a learning mindset are essential to succeed. Learn how these innovators put 2 00:00:07.160 --> 00:00:11.400 these skills to use to become the best in their fields. Welcome to Innovators 3 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:18.280 to Know. Brought to you by Idemics. Laura cyl is an experienced executive 4 00:00:18.359 --> 00:00:24.519 and leadership coach with thirty plus years of experience with leaders and teams across industries. 5 00:00:25.239 --> 00:00:31.600 She is a relatively rare combination of business psychology and coaching qualifications and her 6 00:00:31.640 --> 00:00:36.679 passion is to support individuals and teams to feel good while doing good in the 7 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:41.399 world. Laura, Welcome to the ideamicx podcast. Thank you. When you 8 00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:47.280 say thirty years, I'm wow. Well, if it's gone by quickly, 9 00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:50.880 this is a good thing. It's more like, am I really? Am 10 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:55.520 I really? Had old? I think you know someone said this to me 11 00:00:55.600 --> 00:00:59.119 the other day. Forty five is than you thirty And then you can just 12 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:08.799 translate that up the chain. So well or so feel good, do good 13 00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:14.680 and profitably make a difference. This is one of the phrases that you've used 14 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:19.560 with frequency. It's part of the reason that you do what you do and 15 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:27.159 that you have this focus that the profit motive at companies and among teams consequently 16 00:01:27.799 --> 00:01:34.000 often simply takes over at the expenses, at the expense of other organizational values, 17 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:40.760 team dynamics, individuals being cared for. Right, And you know, 18 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:42.799 the truth is, it's a business. It needs to make money. I 19 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:46.760 mean that's if we talk too much. I mean, I think we can 20 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:52.239 go too far the other direction. Right, it is important. It's a 21 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:57.319 critical piece. And there's research now that shows that a lot of the aspects 22 00:01:57.319 --> 00:02:00.920 that maybe have been ignored for a while having to do with the human component 23 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:05.560 actually are you know, they're starting to show how it is tied in to 24 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:09.280 that profit, how it is tied into let's say, sustainable growth or innovation 25 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:15.000 or engagement of your team members, and that all connects back into how the 26 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:22.599 company you know, serves its its customers and therefore how it how it brings 27 00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:25.800 them money and what that what that profit is, what those revenues are. 28 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:30.639 So it's I think it's an and rather than one or the other. Um. 29 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:34.919 It really is important to to look at both. And I think people 30 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:40.879 are starting to become aware that the human component is as critical as other aspects 31 00:02:40.879 --> 00:02:44.879 of the business. Yeah, you know, you're reminding me of a story 32 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:51.719 that I happen to be discussing with a friend last night over dinner about um 33 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:57.800 a CEO and the healthcare industry, Roy Vagelus, who is now retired, 34 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:05.520 but he was telling a story of how ivermectin was a medication that was discovered 35 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:13.000 by their team of scientists at Mark when he was there, and the company 36 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:15.159 sort of said, oh, you know, this cures a river blindness, 37 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:17.719 Like, who cares about that? There's no market for that, right, 38 00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:23.240 so let's just well, just we don't need to publicize this drug or market 39 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:28.520 it actively or do much with it. And the scientists protested and said that 40 00:03:28.599 --> 00:03:32.520 absolutely is unacceptable because this is a disease that affects some portion of people, 41 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:37.520 even though that might not be a profitable market segment. And they forced it 42 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:40.120 to go to market, and they acted, you know, in their capacity 43 00:03:40.159 --> 00:03:44.439 as a key stakeholder at the company. Of course, later on this had 44 00:03:44.439 --> 00:03:50.120 a whole bunch of unintended consequences. It became behind penicillin, the second most 45 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:54.120 important drug in terms of impact on humanity, right because then it was applied 46 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:59.280 to lots of other diseases, and it's a it's been a key you're an 47 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:01.439 amount of different things, and I think it goes to this point of the 48 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:06.120 stakeholder based model that that you I think spend a lot of time thinking about 49 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:15.120 and focusing on where companies and organizations and teams and individuals ultimately work best when 50 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:23.680 there is alignment among the various voices and they're heard and listened to and it 51 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:30.240 isn't sort of a one sided equation constantly. And I love that word. 52 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:33.560 Alignment is something that we use a lot in our work, and because there 53 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:40.120 are a lot of different aspects of an organization where you can where you can 54 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:45.399 look for and you can fine tune that alignment and when things you know, 55 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:50.199 simply if things are not aligned, we're not accessing as much as we can. 56 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:55.839 And that that that could show up in many different ways in an organization. 57 00:04:55.959 --> 00:04:59.399 But what you're you know, the example that you gave is there was 58 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:05.319 some alignment with the scientists around what they were doing and what their bigger picture 59 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:11.600 impact was at the company, which and they felt that it would be out 60 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:15.240 of alignment not to say something and not to move this forward, push it 61 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:21.079 forward. And I think there's such a great opportunity there for so many companies 62 00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:29.560 right now, especially because the world is changing so rapidly. We don't know 63 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:31.720 what it's going to look like in twelve months. We don't even know what 64 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:36.399 it's going to look like in six months. So the way I think about 65 00:05:36.439 --> 00:05:42.959 it is we have all this incredible energy available in a lot of different forms, 66 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:47.519 and if we are scattered, we lose impact. When we are aligned, 67 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:55.959 we really focus that impact. And I think that that's an opportunity right 68 00:05:56.000 --> 00:06:00.920 now for leaders and companies who are asking themselves, how can I show up 69 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:08.240 in this really rapidly changing world and make a difference. And I'm talking about 70 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:11.920 profit as well as people, right Like, that's I think, and make 71 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:17.040 a difference, have a positive impact in multiple ways. Yeah, absolutely so 72 00:06:17.079 --> 00:06:25.759 important. So one of the foundational ideas Laura, underlying your nine Q methodology 73 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:30.199 is that we talk a lot about problems and not enough about solutions. I 74 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:34.839 think this is a problem that is afflicting most of our society at this point. 75 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:41.000 It isn't merely limited to organizations or teams. We see it a lot 76 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:46.319 in our business. Customers come seeking coaching because they don't just want to talk 77 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:50.319 about the problem, right They want to talk actively about solutions and have a 78 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:58.079 roadmap and act on it and be held accountable. Tell me what made you 79 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:04.240 come to this You okay, Well, it's a pet peeve of mine to 80 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:13.600 focus only on the problem because what that does is it unfortunately. And let's 81 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:15.639 just say fortunately at the same time, because look, I'm a human. 82 00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:19.680 I'm all about human behavior. That's just been my background. Right, we 83 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:25.160 do things, We actually do things that might seem kind of strange for us 84 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:28.959 to do because we are gaining some value from it. So when I say 85 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:33.600 fortunately, unfortunately, when we point to the problems, we are putting ourselves 86 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:39.839 into a victim stance, a victim energy. And the fortunate part of that, 87 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:45.439 say, and in quotes, is then you're not responsible. It's someone 88 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:49.040 else's fault. Someone else has done something, some group of people, an 89 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:56.439 individual would accompany. However, whoever it is that you feel has done this 90 00:07:56.560 --> 00:08:01.399 to you. The really and I say fortunate quotes because there is a little 91 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:03.120 like I don't have to deal with it. It's that that if that person 92 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:07.199 or that group would change, then I'd be good. Right. But the 93 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:13.439 unfortunate piece of that is, and this is why I'm so passionate about it, 94 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:20.439 is you completely give up the ability to make any change yourself. Yeah, 95 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:24.639 and that doesn't First of all, it doesn't feel good. It feels 96 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:31.840 really bad. Passively disempowering and they scampoilely disempowering. Why should you? You 97 00:08:31.919 --> 00:08:37.159 don't need to look at your piece of it if it's someone else has made 98 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:43.799 this happen. Right, So I'm I am such a firm believer in this 99 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:48.159 is where the empowerment. So you know, our company's big purpose is empower 100 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:54.679 people. That's that's big. But it's this idea of when people recognize that 101 00:08:54.720 --> 00:09:00.759 they do have the power over many different things, not everything. There's there 102 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:05.840 are things external that we don't have control over. Then you start to get 103 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:07.799 to look for the solutions. So then that's piece one, and then piece 104 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:13.000 two is how right? So I think it's first shifting that mindset from a 105 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:18.039 victim mindset to really looking at what what can I do? What is my 106 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:22.080 piece of it? What can what kind of change? Positive change can I 107 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:26.000 drive forward? And then the second piece is how how do I do that? 108 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:28.159 So you might have someone who wants it, probably at your compright people, 109 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:31.840 potential customers, they're wanting they've made a little bit of that shift, 110 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:35.759 they're wanting to know how how do I move forward on this. Now that 111 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:37.840 I've made this shift, there are a whole lot of people who are still 112 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:46.519 stuck in that mindset of a victim place and they're you know, moving forward 113 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:50.759 isn't going to work until that there's an acknowledgement that there's something that they can 114 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:56.799 they can have some control over something. I couldn't agree more with you. 115 00:09:56.879 --> 00:10:05.679 I think you were almost out of really difficult societal point where this victimhood idea 116 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:11.600 has taken route to the point where it is now. The explanation for you 117 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:15.279 know, just so many things that go on, whether it's individually or societally, 118 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:24.519 and they really prevent us from focusing on what is the core problem and 119 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:28.879 how do we get to a solution set for it? Right, because, 120 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:33.919 as you said, you just sort of hide behind, Oh, these are 121 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:41.639 circumstances beyond my control because somebody did this to me and it's deeply, deeply 122 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:48.000 unconstructive, if not destructive. Yeah, and then you know, you add 123 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:50.799 the peace and this is something we talk a lot about it and I think 124 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:58.519 it's it has really increased since the pandemic and it's continuing. Is when you 125 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:05.000 are are in more of a victims stance you, there is usually some there's 126 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:11.080 there's usually some anger, frustration, and fear in that. And when there 127 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:15.879 is fear, and we all know this intuitively, we might not put it 128 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:20.519 into words, but when there is fear running through your body, you're you're 129 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:28.919 actually physiologically you're being cut off from the multiple solution solving component of your frontal 130 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:35.279 cortex. And so that's the other piece is if you're in this reactive, 131 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:41.559 fear based state, you're already just physiologically going to you're not going to be 132 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:48.720 able to access all the potential solutions, right you. You you you you 133 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:52.159 lock into maybe one or two response sets that have been you know, have 134 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:56.320 been a part of you for a long time, and you lose access too. 135 00:11:56.360 --> 00:12:00.840 So that's another reason why for us, it's it's individ visually one hundred 136 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:03.759 percent, but it's also collectively. So if you're speaking within an organization, 137 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:07.440 if you have a leadership team, which we have had before, where you 138 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:11.039 have let's say post merger, and you have someone who is in a very 139 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:16.240 much of a fear state about the other people right from the other company, 140 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:28.919 and very reactive and victim stance, the possibilities of what that leadership team and 141 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:35.600 thus the organization can create are they're just they become so few right whereof you 142 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:39.480 can shift that and if you can help everyone to align with the bigger picture, 143 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:43.080 which you know, hopefully for most companies is what they're bigger purposes, 144 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:48.840 you know why they're there, what they're doing, and and shift that. 145 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:52.080 Oh, I have some sense of empowerment around what this looks like going forward? 146 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:56.480 Then we have this, We have so many, so many more potential 147 00:12:56.559 --> 00:13:05.080 solutions that we can assess moving forward. Do you think, Laura, that 148 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:09.159 for many of us, I mean, I think back on my own experience, 149 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:11.279 which is so this is just bear with me for a second. It's 150 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:18.480 a purely annecdata point, right, But we all go through difficult moments and 151 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:28.399 periods in our lives, some super traumatic even, and at some point you 152 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:33.240 will almost confront this question. I mean I certainly did at a point when 153 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:37.559 I had been through a fairly traumatic thing of am I going to be a 154 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:41.679 victim? Or am I going to emerge from this with strength? And it's 155 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:50.919 almost like this kind of weird, bimodal sort of outcome. And I think 156 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:56.159 when you make a decision to try to solve the problem rather than kind of 157 00:13:56.159 --> 00:14:03.000 wallow in the problem itself. There's a muscle memory that develops around Okay, 158 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:07.919 I see the problem. It sucks, but I'm going to begin to solution 159 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:09.159 it. And I may or may not get that right, but I'm going 160 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:16.519 to keep trying until I find a viable solution. How for people who fall 161 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:22.159 into that victim mentality? Do you help them develop that muscle memory around, 162 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:28.279 Hey, here's this different approach that actually is a lot more productive. Yeah, 163 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:35.279 I'll speak I'll speak to individually first, because again, when you go 164 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:41.639 collectively, if it's a leadership team or any team, you have all the 165 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:46.279 different individual factors, right, So there's a certain amount of aligning within each 166 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:54.120 individual before helping a team align. So you said something really interesting in your 167 00:14:54.159 --> 00:15:00.879 anecdote. You said you could see and you made a decision, right, 168 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:03.960 you could see, am I going to stay in this or am I going 169 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:09.879 to shift out of it? Not like that's step one and and it's quite 170 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:13.600 challenging for some people to get to that point. So there's two. There's 171 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:16.039 two. So based on what you said, I would say you've had some 172 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:22.320 in your in your past, you've had some ability to take a challenging situation, 173 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:24.519 take a step back and ask yourself what am I, what am I 174 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:26.519 going to do with this, or how do I want to move forward? 175 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:31.679 Right? So I know, just based on that short piece that you have 176 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:37.159 had some success or at least some practice in doing that, and not ever, 177 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:43.600 you know, some people don't. So it's it's you at that point. 178 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:48.159 You're starting to build on it. And and it's a little bit easier 179 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:50.600 if I were working with someone like that, then you can start to connect 180 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:56.799 back to that past experience. Right, this happened, Therefore, this this 181 00:15:56.840 --> 00:15:58.519 happen, And it's not you know, for anyone listening, And it's not 182 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:04.480 like you may shift and then everything works out perfectly, right, that's yes. 183 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:10.360 And I think, honestly think this is part of our life learning. 184 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:14.600 I I you know, I think that historic. You know, for me, 185 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:18.559 when I was younger, I somehow had this weird illusion that if I 186 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:22.399 did everything right, then everything would turn out all right. That is not 187 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:26.120 true. And you know, I think that's one of the things that age 188 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:32.320 brings that a different perspective of what we actually have. So going back, 189 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:36.080 I was shocked at one point that I was doing everything right, that it 190 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:38.399 wasn't working so I had to shift. I had to shift, you know. 191 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:45.879 Those We all have these different constructs that we've developed over our childhood, 192 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:48.240 and that's from family, and it's from school, and it's from society. 193 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:52.360 And each one of us has a different one based on you know, based 194 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:56.120 on who who we are, based on their environment we grew up, and 195 00:16:56.159 --> 00:17:00.559 based on you know, where we grew up in the world. All these 196 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:07.599 things m but we all have that ability to to take a step back. 197 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:11.519 For us, part of the training is to pause. It's really important to 198 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:15.440 pause because when you don't pause, you're in that reactive You're in that fire 199 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:18.400 fighting. Got to take care of this. I got to take care again, 200 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:22.880 and then you that can go on forever the way the world is set 201 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:29.440 up, So it's really helping people to trust themselves that pausing for brief moments 202 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:36.880 and then we train. Our super basic level training for everyone has to do 203 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:41.240 with some really simple habits that help you to to pause. And this is 204 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:44.839 all done pretty quickly. It's not like you have to go out and meditate 205 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:48.400 for ten hours, but but to pause, to connect with you, you 206 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:52.839 know, and to connect with what's important to you, what matters, what 207 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:56.559 are your values? What are you grateful for? You know, just to 208 00:17:56.599 --> 00:18:04.920 reconnect with and then to move forward from that state, because if you're in 209 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:12.160 more of a state of pause, I would say proactive setting intentions and clarity 210 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:17.559 around who you are and what matters to you. That's when that mindset starts 211 00:18:17.599 --> 00:18:21.519 to open up a little bit. You're like, oh, maybe I could 212 00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:27.640 do something differently, Maybe there is maybe this could look maybe I could change 213 00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:33.480 this maybe if I you know, and and that's when those those potential solutions 214 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:37.759 start to open up. So a lot of our initial training is really about 215 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:42.279 getting to that that mind, that that state of mind where you're not reacting 216 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:48.480 and you're in you're in touch with again. And this doesn't have to be 217 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:51.200 real woo who, It's just like who who am? Who am I? 218 00:18:51.440 --> 00:18:55.359 In the sense of what matters to me? Right? Look? My mom 219 00:18:55.400 --> 00:18:59.599 died suddenly. Um, this is one of those learning lessons for me twenty 220 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:03.359 years ago. And one of the things I one of the gifts that that 221 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:11.079 gave me was I could die tomorrow, I could die tonight. Am I 222 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:18.640 doing right now? What really matters to me? And not everyone thinks that 223 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:22.759 way because we all don't. We don't want to think about Dath and I 224 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:26.160 would say it's probably a freshness of that after twenty years is a little bit 225 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:30.440 less, obviously, but but there is that that was a lasting gift that 226 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:34.839 my mom in her death gave me, was we don't know how long we 227 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:38.799 have and if that's the case, when if you can, if you can, 228 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:44.240 any one person listening to this, if you can pause and just ask, 229 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:48.079 you know, what really matters to me, meaning what matters to me 230 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:52.000 if this were my last day on planet Earth. It shifts the way you 231 00:19:52.039 --> 00:19:56.279 look at things, it really does, and you become way less reactive, 232 00:19:57.319 --> 00:20:02.400 You become much more grateful, and you realize it all. The other thing 233 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:06.400 it does is it puts some of those really stupid, annoying things into perspective, 234 00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:11.240 you know, the things that seem to really I don't know. Sometimes 235 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:14.680 I have things in the back of my mind. I'm like, just stop, 236 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:17.519 it's not a big deal, and for some reason, some part of 237 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:19.880 me has latched onto it. But the more that we can let go of 238 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:23.279 the things that really don't matter, then we're letting go of some of that 239 00:20:23.440 --> 00:20:29.680 stress and anxiety, which then opens up again possibilities. What might it look 240 00:20:29.680 --> 00:20:37.240 like going forward? Totally, totally, so, Laura. A really key 241 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:47.039 element connected to reframing how we think right and taking time to think as you've 242 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:53.119 described, which is so critical is the role that coaching and mentorship play in 243 00:20:53.160 --> 00:21:02.960 our lives. I think that many people have this misconception that somebody mentors you, 244 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:04.960 like it falls into your lap like some bolt out of the blue, 245 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:08.240 and oh I found this amazing mentor and that was so great. But it 246 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:14.400 actually takes an active seeking out of mentors. At different times in your life. 247 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:18.119 You have different mentors. Sometimes they are also your friends, at other 248 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:22.559 times they might even be your partner, whatever it is. But it's a 249 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:29.480 it's a dynamic and shifting role that that plays in our lives. And I 250 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:36.599 suspect you have had strong coaches and mentors as I have had, And the 251 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:48.279 singularly most useful thing that I have found is they're particularly in instances where they 252 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:52.839 were disconnected from me other than that I knew them, but they weren't. 253 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:56.960 There was no bias. In other words, that there wasn't like a boss 254 00:21:56.039 --> 00:22:02.680 mentoring me. You know that there was great value to that. Very objective 255 00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:08.799 advice and coaching in a sense is that same thing. It's this objective advice 256 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:14.799 from a trusted third party, even though you don't know them super well, 257 00:22:14.920 --> 00:22:22.319 right, what is the role that that's paid for you? So I feel 258 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:29.440 like I have a little bit of an unusual journey in this area in that 259 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:41.279 I noticed at a very young age that the questions I was asking and the 260 00:22:41.359 --> 00:22:52.319 insights that I would share were pretty intense. And how young are you? 261 00:22:52.440 --> 00:23:00.759 Well, I mean I remember being four and being I was overtaken by a 262 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:04.319 feeling that there was suffering in the world, and I felt like I needed 263 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:07.000 to do something and I couldn't put it into work, you know, I 264 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:11.519 couldn't put it into great words at the time. And you know, all 265 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:17.079 my amazing parents, but all they really knew is I never slept, I 266 00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:21.480 never stopped asking questions. So I was like, okay, can we just 267 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:25.920 take a break? But um, and I don't know. I don't know 268 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:30.400 if this was a time period that I grew up, but being being female 269 00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:37.920 and being very very intense seemed to people kind of wanted me to, let's 270 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:42.400 just say, play the game I was supposed to play. Okay, So 271 00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:49.319 periodically I'd have little glimpses of in my mind, who I think of what 272 00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:52.839 I think of when I think, when I especially when I was younger, 273 00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:59.559 mentors brief mentors that they probably don't even know the impact that they had, 274 00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:06.279 right um. And and you know, one of them was a high school 275 00:24:06.319 --> 00:24:08.200 teacher, and I thought I was failing the class. And it was it 276 00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:11.920 was a speech class, and I didn't love speaking. I was very, 277 00:24:12.039 --> 00:24:18.960 very shy. And we were doing a leadership practice thing in a small group, 278 00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:22.400 and I was listening to the other people in my group, and in 279 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:26.720 my mind, I'm thinking, we need to approach us differently, right Like, 280 00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:30.000 I had all these thoughts, but I had learned at this point, 281 00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:33.119 well, don't show up too big or too intense, because then people will 282 00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:37.240 just go whoa. And so I was listening, listening, and a teacher 283 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:41.720 stood by me and he just said, okay, group, you know, 284 00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:48.480 just remember the leader is not always the most talkative person. Okay. I 285 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:52.799 felt it in my bones. I was like, oh, almost, like 286 00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:57.519 he knows I'm thinking about things so super tiny example. And then as I 287 00:24:57.559 --> 00:25:02.400 got older, and look, you know, I mean have my doctor in 288 00:25:02.440 --> 00:25:07.160 psychology. We do a lot of our you know, we're encouraged to do 289 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:10.839 a lot of our own exploration and therapy and so lots of practice with a 290 00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:15.640 lot of different people. And one of the things that I learned is, 291 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:22.119 and I want anyone listening who thinks that they might be too something to hear 292 00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:27.720 this. Not everyone could work with me, And in fact, most people 293 00:25:27.759 --> 00:25:36.240 who I talk to were felt, I can reflect now, they felt so 294 00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:41.119 challenged that they lost the ability to hold the safe space. And this is 295 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:45.599 what I think as coaches and psychologists as well, like we're holding a safe 296 00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:48.720 space for people to do their work. We're not doing the work for them, 297 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:52.319 and sometimes we might be directive, but we're not telling them everything. 298 00:25:52.519 --> 00:26:00.400 We're creating a really vibrant safe space. And so to anyone out there who 299 00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:04.160 maybe hasn't done much in this area, because I doubted myself for a long 300 00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:07.559 time, I said, I just said, well, no one, no 301 00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:11.039 one understands me. I'm just gonna have to do it myself. There was 302 00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:12.960 really the sense if I had to do it on my own. It took 303 00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:15.599 a while for me to go, oh no, I just need to keep 304 00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:21.920 looking for the right person. Right. So it's there is a matching that's 305 00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:26.680 super important when you're seeking out. And I would say the same thing for 306 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:32.599 you know, a mentor anyone who you're looking you want to And again different, 307 00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:34.519 if there's that personal relationship like you, like you mentioned, you don't 308 00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:40.400 have the same autonomy to you know. But if you're choosing someone who's not 309 00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:45.119 doesn't have that other relationship with you, you know search and you will know 310 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:51.480 it inside because you will know that you can show up a hundred percent as 311 00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:56.240 you are without fearing that you're too much or too whatever, right not to 312 00:26:56.440 --> 00:27:00.200 whatever it is. I mean, there are a lot of those, lot 313 00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:03.279 of those too much. I think a lot of people have that sense that 314 00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:07.400 somehow, at some point in their life there were too whatever it was right. 315 00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:14.759 But you need to find the person who can be and create that really 316 00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:18.359 safe space. And the same thing is true when we work with leadership teams. 317 00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:25.799 We've got a you know, several high level, very bright, very 318 00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:30.240 you know, have their own opinions and their own experiences, and the goal 319 00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:36.880 is to create a safe space that that team can co create something even better 320 00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:41.039 than any one person could create on their own. And that's the key. 321 00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:45.359 I think it's that onepens one is three right, yeah, yeah, absolutely, 322 00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:48.279 and it can only happen if each of us do our work. Yes, 323 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:53.119 there's the individual piece, there's a collective piece, totally all right. 324 00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:56.440 I want to take a quick look at a short video that you sent to 325 00:27:56.519 --> 00:28:03.440 us about living in flow? Go What do we mean by flow state? 326 00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:07.759 Flow is when you feel great, Your energy is focused and intentional, and 327 00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:14.319 everything seems to move effortlessly. When you're in flow, you're fully engaged in 328 00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:18.599 highly productive and inspired action. It's the opposite of non productive busy work. 329 00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:23.000 Think about a time you've been in flow, Remember how good it felt, 330 00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:27.960 and remember the results you experienced. This training will help you learn how to 331 00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:33.720 achieve this state more consistently, and more importantly, when you fall out of 332 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:37.480 flow, you will learn how to quickly move back into this yummy space. 333 00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:44.000 The more you practice this training, the more empowered you will feel. So 334 00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:51.160 why is it? So? Could you quickly summarize the nine Q method and 335 00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:56.160 particularly the terms flow, grow, and create for our listeners. Sure, 336 00:28:56.359 --> 00:29:00.480 and we're playing around with the third one, the naming of it to create 337 00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:06.799 innovate, so um, so flow, grow, create is really the basis 338 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:11.359 of our method. So we see nine Q solutions as the how Right, 339 00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:18.720 So we've got all these problems and organizations and we can identify a good chunk 340 00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:22.440 of them, but how are we going to move forward? And that's that's 341 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:27.559 what we feel we answer that question. So flow, the flow framework is 342 00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:33.079 the foundational piece which I mentioned just a little bit earlier. This is about 343 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:38.000 each person individually being able to get into their own state of flow. And 344 00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:44.279 for anyone who hasn't heard that term, you know it intuitively. It's when 345 00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:48.279 you feel everything's lining up. You feel like what you do is done really 346 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:56.359 efficiently and in less time than normal often, but there's a sense of oh, 347 00:29:56.480 --> 00:30:00.119 you feel free, you feel creative, you feel good, and that 348 00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:06.319 you're creating from that space. Again, back to multiple solutions, right, 349 00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:12.960 an open mindset and and a curious mindset. So it's what the individual does 350 00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:18.559 to pause and get out of victim stance, pause and get out of a 351 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:22.720 fear base or reactive stance. It's what they do to set themselves up. 352 00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:29.279 And it's interesting because even with people who have trained for quite a period of 353 00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:33.240 time with us, we do some private executive coaching. A lot of our 354 00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:40.000 work is with organizations teams, but even when they have gone through multiple levels 355 00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:44.680 of leadership training, we ask what has been most valuable it's been this flow 356 00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:49.680 piece because without it the rest of it, you can't access the rest of 357 00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:52.240 it. You can learn it, right like you can learn the knowledge of 358 00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:56.559 it, be can't really access it and integrate it in a powerful way. 359 00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:59.839 So I like to think it is this is how you get yourself set up 360 00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:03.160 to really, you know, nail it and when you get thrown off, 361 00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:07.240 which so what the world does, it's going to happen. Sorry, it's 362 00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:11.000 not like you hit it's not like you check all the boxes and then you 363 00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:18.079 stay there unfortunately. But but you can reboot, because one of our habits 364 00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:21.880 is reboot. So it's it's about recognizing you could be in the middle of 365 00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:26.160 a meeting and get triggered by something and you have the skills to be able 366 00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:30.720 to reboot and get back into that flow zone. So super critical and super 367 00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:34.599 simple, right, and it's the foundation of everything we do. The second 368 00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:41.039 framework is grow and this is simply if you think, like big picture, 369 00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:47.000 we're all meant to evolve and to grow and to expand, you know, 370 00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:51.599 I mean that's something I feel really strongly. You can look at nature, 371 00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:56.200 it's always evolving, it's always expanding, there's always something new and fresh, 372 00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:00.960 and different, you know, like this, the recent rains in California have 373 00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:07.119 been unbelievable. We have poppies, which is our state flower, beyond anything 374 00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:09.480 we've seen in years and years and years. So there's there's it doesn't it 375 00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:12.880 doesn't stay the same, you know, you think it stays the same maybe, 376 00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:15.559 but it doesn't. And we're the same way. So the Great Growth 377 00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:21.200 Framework is really helping each person to look at all aspects of who they are, 378 00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:25.599 and in our training we connect them with elements. Um so you've got 379 00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:31.559 the element of Earth and for us that's connected to your physical quotient. All 380 00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:35.759 the things are are you sleeping? Are you eating? How? How are 381 00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:39.799 you physically doing right? And is there are there opportunities to grow and expand 382 00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:45.440 in that area? And then we have IQ, which is beyond just IQ, 383 00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:50.240 your IQ. It's really that mental it's the mental training, it's the 384 00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:53.319 knowledge, it's the hey, you know, are you learning how to use 385 00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:55.920 AI right now? Because it's going to be in our world and right and 386 00:32:55.920 --> 00:33:00.920 it's like what what are the different aspects that where I can stretch my mind, 387 00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:07.720 not partly for my role at work, but also partly for me, 388 00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:12.799 you know, like I love languages. So I'm I'm I'm on duo lingo 389 00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:15.880 learning a couple of different languages because it stimulates my mind. It's not specific 390 00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:19.440 to work, but it stimulates my mind. I love it, and it 391 00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:23.119 gives me a different perspective. When you're learning another language, the way that 392 00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:28.359 you communicate is very different in that language than it is in my primary language. 393 00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:32.279 So I love that that expansion. And then EQ most people know about 394 00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:37.400 emotional intelligence. This is really you know, how's your relationship with yourself doing? 395 00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:40.240 Um, how's your and then and then therefore, how are your relationships 396 00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:45.400 with you know, family, loved ones, colleagues and nurturing and monitoring and 397 00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:52.240 really attending to that. And then we and that's the fire elements that connection 398 00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:54.920 UM and I should mention that IQ is the water element. It's just it's 399 00:33:54.960 --> 00:34:00.119 like research based, UM. Scientific. It's doesn't have a lot of emotions 400 00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:04.759 to it. It's just knowledge. And then after that fire element, that 401 00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:10.480 connection that EQ SQ which we call either service quotient or spiritual quotient, so 402 00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:14.159 you know, just depending on what people are comfortable. But the idea is 403 00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:17.480 this is how are we bringing who we are and our unique gifts out into 404 00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:21.920 the world, Yeah, in many different ways. And so you know, 405 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:27.000 someone could be working really hard at building their IQ, but maybe they've maybe 406 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.840 they've neglected reaching out. You know, how am I? How am I 407 00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:32.679 serving the world? That could be at work and could be outside of work. 408 00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:37.599 It doesn't know, it doesn't matter M. And then nine Q, 409 00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:42.280 which we call energetic intelligence, and this is in the void and the void 410 00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:46.280 is kind of everything and nothing right, and so nine Q is about it's 411 00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:52.280 much less tangible than the other elements, but it's it's about alignment. If 412 00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:57.400 you look at all your different quotients, how aligned are they? So that 413 00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:00.639 framework is all about looking at where where have we been? What have we 414 00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:04.760 been neglecting? And where do we have opportunities to grow? And it's a 415 00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:08.000 it's a it's not a once and done either. It's an ongoing. And 416 00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:13.840 then the last framework is the creator I think we're now calling it innovate framework, 417 00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:17.320 which is you've got to have those other two in place, right, 418 00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:23.400 and then the magic happens because this is the this is where you actually create, 419 00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:27.320 whether it's creating a new product, whether it's building a new business, 420 00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:30.960 whether it's developing a new relationship. It can be any painting and painting, 421 00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:37.519 creating a song, anything, And it's not so much that we made it. 422 00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:42.840 It really is just what happens, and we just put we just put 423 00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:47.400 words and a um, you know, a framework to it to make it 424 00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:53.000 so that you can you can leverage it. And so you're looking at each 425 00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:57.920 of those elements that I just went through, and you're looking at the flow 426 00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:04.079 of an innovative creative method, and you're going from imagining something to declaring what 427 00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:07.599 it looks like, to being clear that you have all the resources, the 428 00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:12.599 knowledge of the training to execute, to checking in and looking at why does 429 00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:15.400 it matter? That's the fire element, and then executing it, which is 430 00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:20.559 in the wind element, and that's like let's go do it and pulling back 431 00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:24.199 into the void and checking and see what's working, what isn't working, and 432 00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:29.039 what are we going to do going forward? And that's it's just a super 433 00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:34.119 fun you can you can you can look at that as a year long project. 434 00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:37.119 You can look at it in a very small you know, before a 435 00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:42.280 meeting or after a meeting, you can do it. So that's as brief 436 00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:45.559 as I can go. Well, Laura, I'm spining because I feel like 437 00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:51.360 in this conversation. We just closed the circle and it's and it's always wonderful 438 00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:55.880 when we do that because everything you've described is, in a sense the answer 439 00:36:55.960 --> 00:37:05.000 to where we started, which is that at a framework like yours really empowers 440 00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:07.920 an individual and then over time a team or it can be applied in various 441 00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:19.280 settings. Right to take ownership of their own self esteem, motivation, and 442 00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:24.920 confidence and then hold themselves accountable for the food of their labors. Right, 443 00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:34.440 And if each individual unlocks their ability to do that, then you can see 444 00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:39.800 how it has such wide applicability across not just teams and organizations, but families, 445 00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:43.639 you know, groups of friends, whatever it may be. Write any 446 00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:47.719 kind of collective communal setting that we can think of. So it's fantastic. 447 00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:52.679 I have one last question for you before we run up. You know, 448 00:37:53.239 --> 00:38:02.599 particularly among young college and post college young professionals, and we see this a 449 00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:14.159 lot in our business, that they are often struggling even though on the outside 450 00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:22.360 all seems well, that they're often struggling on the inside with you know, 451 00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:25.440 I call them kind of the Big three, which are stress, anxiety, 452 00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:32.559 and a lack of self confidence. And there's this, I mean, we 453 00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:36.239 can you know obviously there are lots of things we can do to dissect the 454 00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:42.079 reasons why there's this inconsistency between the external and the internal self, but it 455 00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:47.840 affects a lot of people these days. What would be your advice to individuals 456 00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:55.079 in those situations in terms of both the importance of reconciling that internal and external 457 00:38:55.119 --> 00:39:01.159 self and how to do that. Oh, there's a couple different layers on 458 00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:05.920 this, you know. The first thing that I think of that I just 459 00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:15.079 feel compelled to say, is this age group that you're talking about. I 460 00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:21.320 have such incredible compassion for them. It's not like I didn't have my hard 461 00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:25.320 times, but the world is changing so fast. They don't even know what 462 00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:30.159 to look forward to or what to set as goals for the most part, 463 00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:37.440 because it's changing so fast, and I think it's just really fascinating. And 464 00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:46.559 I think of them as these incredible warriors for change, and they can be 465 00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:53.519 really again this is generalization, but as a whole, can be really challenging 466 00:39:53.599 --> 00:40:02.599 for older generations because they're not going to tolerate what we have tolerated. So 467 00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:08.199 that's why I think of them as these warriors for change. And I believe 468 00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:17.760 that some of what many of them experience is there's a lot of inner turmoil 469 00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:24.119 because there's a lot of outer turmoil. And one of their so this is 470 00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:30.599 my belief. I think one of their incredible opportunities that they have with all 471 00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:39.320 the gifts that they're bringing, is the opportunity is to really get clear about 472 00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:47.360 who they are and what matters to them and be very proactive and very clear 473 00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:53.239 and proactive because they're going to be most likely, given what I see, 474 00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:59.639 most likely they're going to be asked, you know, by the external events 475 00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:07.079 to quickly, more quickly change, more quickly make job changes, you know, 476 00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:13.760 life changes, maybe even location changes than any other prior generation. That's 477 00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:16.239 what I believe. I don't know. I'm just saying I think that they 478 00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:22.400 are coming in they have a unique as a general group, have a unique 479 00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:30.360 piece in this evolution that our planet is going through, and and in order 480 00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:37.480 for them to be as impactful in a positive way, they really need to 481 00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:45.480 do the internal work, probably more so than anyone in my generation. So 482 00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:57.239 what I would say two things, whow super courageous beings, and please because 483 00:41:57.280 --> 00:42:07.199 we all know the records of substance abuse and suicide and all these other mental 484 00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:13.599 health issues that may not get to either one of those, but still negatively 485 00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:21.000 impact their lives. With all of that increasing, we have evidence that they 486 00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:23.840 are probably dealing with way more now. You know, some of it is 487 00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:27.639 my generation didn't disclose at all, so maybe some of it is that we 488 00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:30.199 don't know how much, but I believe it's it's happening a lot more. 489 00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:39.159 They need to start taking care of themselves and really ask what it is that 490 00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:45.079 they need. Yeah, yeah, that's great advice, you know, and 491 00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:52.000 I don't know. It might mean, it might mean doing something that maybe 492 00:42:52.360 --> 00:43:02.760 someone society or family doesn't understand it. We can't figure it out for them. 493 00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:09.400 We can support their exploration, and we can support their decisions as parents, 494 00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:14.320 as elders in the community, and potentially as guides and coaches. Right, 495 00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:20.599 but it's like they need to they need to come a path to cread 496 00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:25.800 Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely well, Laura, thank you so much, You're 497 00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:30.840 welcome. Thank you so much for having me on here. It's it's a 498 00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:37.559 joy to talk big picture as well as Hey, what could be a path 499 00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:44.000 forward? Right? Yeah, totally Thanks for listening. Please subscribe wherever you 500 00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:49.559 listen and leave us a review. Find your ideal coach at www dot vidmx 501 00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:53.719 dot com. Special thanks to our producer Martin Maluski and singer songwriter Doug Allen.