The Paranormal UFOs Wends Mysteries. As you're listening to Talking Weird and Know from
a Kevin Deep in the Northwoods, your host, Doctor Ding Bertram, Well,
greetings to all my fellow weirdos and weirdos. Thank you for joining me
for Talking Weird on the Untold Radio Network. I'm your host, Dean Bertram,
and I feel like the summer is ending here in the Northwoods. Finally,
it was a little cool with the day and I was editing the film
I'm working on the Man who invented Playing sources about Ray Palmer and the Shaver
mystery and how it kind of led in them on newfo Belief, And all
of a sudden, it's eight o'clock and it's dark and metter we unfairly north
and I realized I hadn't let my chickens into their coupe. I'd kept them
out for a while to day because there was one hen in there. I
wanted them to leave alone. And there were chickens everywhere throughout my yard.
I had to round them all up. Anyway, that's a sign of summers
going because not me. I don't have to let them in until close at
weight thirty nine, So for those of you who were further up north like
me, you might be feeling it as well. But I know down south
it's still pretty warm, so I hope everybody can enjoy the last of their
summer. I'm really excited to welcome back to night's guest. He's been on
the show before. He's a writer and experiencer who is well known for his
popular shows of his own Brunch with Bigfoot Michigan Rob and Beyond a BMR.
Both are available on his YouTube channel, which you can click through to in
this episode show notes if you want to go and check it out. After
the show, he's visiting with me tonight to chat about his brand new book.
It's just been released. It's called True crypt Encounters, and he's going
to share some of the remarkable experiences that it covers, including an incredible assortments
of Bigfoot and dog man sightings. There's also a link in the show notes
to where you can acquire that book on Amazon. So at any rate,
I'm delighted to welcome back to Talking Weird Rob Kniffel, you probably better know
as Bigfoot Michigan Rob. Yeah, Hey, hello, Doctor Dean Bertram,
thank you. It's great. You know, I've never called you by your
last name before, but now you're an official author, I've got to actually
say that because that's in the book. You know. That's so funny because
you know, when I started my YouTube channel, it was Bigfoot Michigan Rob.
Then it kind of morphed into BMR. Yeah, my last name is
Karen Fell. You almost had it right, so I felt weird. You
know. The first thing I did when I was going to publish the book
was, man, should I put my name? But you know, when
you write a book, doctor, you want to put your name on it.
So when I titled when I made it came up the title, I
said, well, people know me is Bigfoot Missian Rob. So when I
penned the title, I went with Bigfoot Mischian Rob presents True crypt Encounters Book
one and the bottom right is my actual legal name. So to blend that
all together, because yeah, when you write a book I'm excited about,
you gotta put your real name on it. You know, you want,
you want your actual name out there. I want. It's exciting, you
know because a lot of people that many of the people they are going to
read the book, they don't know who the hell b Mars. So,
so yeah, I put it all together. And before we even get started,
thank you for showing the book cover. I have to do make a
special men mention Jason McClean, a friend of yours, doctor Dean. He
did the cover and he has a credit in the book. And in fact,
if you go to Amazon and you pull up this actual book, Jason's
McClean is Jason McClean is highlighted, and if you click on Jason's name,
that'll take you to all of his books as well. So it was kind
of unique that I gave Jason a lot of props because he helped me with
the cover and he also did some light editing for me. So it props
out to Jason because he's one hell of a writer himself, and a great
as you can see about to cover, a great artist. Yeah, he's
multi talented. He's a great road I offered a cup with his books,
and his art is incredible. Was that who you immediately decided to go to?
Art wise, we look, I'm gonna hit Jason Apple. Did you
have a few different people you were considering? Well, you know for this
book, you know I was going to make a collaboration with somebody else,
but I thought because they were a known writer. But I was like,
you know, who cares about you know, a known writer? This is
mine. This is what I've worked on for a year and a half.
I said, you know what, I don't care if the person is known.
I want myself to be known. So I said, thank you for
that. I'm doing it myself. And when I look for artistry, there
was a couple of the people I had in mind. But I've been friends
with Jason for a couple of years and he does all the artwork for my
YouTube channel as well as well as tex Texas from Porsche on YouTube and The
Blonds and the Booze Paranormal podcasts on YouTube as well. He's done all the
artwork for them. And Jason's such a great guy. I've known him for
a couple of years. As I made mention, so I said, Jason,
you want to do my art my artwork? He was heck yeah.
So so I went with Jason on that and he did. As you can
see, it's just it's just it begs to be bought just because of the
artwork. You know, you know what I must I want to post that
I'm like, whoa, Actually, that's fantastic. Now what gave you the
idea to do the book though? Was it just you were hearing so many
interesting encounter reports on your show. You know, it really goes back,
you know, Dean, he goes back to the reason for the book.
I'm not going to go through my bigfoot encounter. Okay, because I did
this once on your show. A lot of people have heard it and this
show isn't about BMR is Bigfoot encounter. But I will say this, the
reason that the Bigfoot mission on YouTube's channel even started it was because of my
encounter. And when I had my encounter, I was a lost puppy.
I had nowhere to go. I was in a dark place for over a
year. Nobody there was nobody that you could trust, and these stories and
my story was so out there. I'm not gonna lie that. You don't
want to tell anybody. So eventually I got it together, I got my
life together, create the YouTube channel, and then that took off, and
so I had the notion I say, hey, if you have an encounter
story, please send them into my email beyond BMR Gmail and I'll put out
videos for you guys. If you want to be anonymous, and a lot
of people till this day, doctor Dean, people don't want their name out
there in public, and a lot of people don't want that fifteen minutes of
fame. However, they do want their story told. So I started doing
videos on people's stories on my channel and I got to tell you these stories,
and the emails that I got over the last two years got me to
thinking, I've got to put this on paper. I need to present the
data because, as you know, part of research is data, data collecting.
And with all these stories that I got, I said, you know
what, I got to fashion a book with the with the folks that sent
them in of course, with their approval, because I talked to everybody that
provided a story and put it together. Now, this book, though,
is not a cut and paste job because a lot of the encounter stories you'll
find this book, I had to use my own creative liberties. I had
to call the people back. Was it a sunny day, was it a
foggy day, was it raining? So a lot of what is in the
book I did have to enhance the book to make it entertaining. But the
crux of the book is this the encounter stories provided to me happened to these
people from what they tell me, and I even took time to vet some
of them. I took time to look up some of the locations and they
all checked out. And I said, you know, I think I'm going
to provide this in a book, and I gotta tell you it's so far,
it's taken off, it's done. I've never written a book, so
I don't know what the numbers are, but people are responding to it,
people are buying it, and I couldn't be happier. And so now it's
out there. And the one thing that I just people don't take anything away
from this show today, the book is because I care. I was there,
I was lost when I was alone. So this book is dedicated and
I wrote it in the acknowledgements, this is for those people that still today
are wandering around because they have nowhere to turn to. And I wanted people
to know, whether you watch my channel, whether you watch a video or
buy this book, the book is dedicated for the suffering people that just can't
come forward. So the book is dedicated to them and their stories. Some
of the stories are very traumatic, some are uplifting, leave a great message.
And think about the book. It leaves a message whether you believe in
cryptos or not. It's a good book for everybody because there's a story and
there's a life experience behind all of these people that I may come to life
in the book. One of the things which interests I mean, we did
talk a little bit about it last time, but I think it's worth mentioning
again because it came up then a little bit is that when everybody listens to
these kind of reports and enjoys these kinds of stories, there's so many people
in the community and even on the outskirts to I mean, it's so popular
just in television and movies and everything else. Is I think we tend to
forget the impact that this thing has on people psychologically and how it sometimes can
almost ruin lives. Is that something you were quite conscious of when you were
talking to people as well being careful as far as dealing with the trauma and
things. Well, I have to tell you I was very cognizant of that
because, as I told you, when I had my bigfoot encounter, I
went through trauma. I owned a business and when this happened, my girlfriend
passed away two months later. Who was with me during this encounter? So
I thought, and it was a bigfoot encounter for those that don't know,
I thought that Bigfoot has something to do with it. Again, it's a
story. I'm not going to get into it. But it was very traumatizing
and she passed away two months later. I owned a business and I tried
to find out why did Cindy, my girlfriend at the time die. This
is back in twenty eighteen, June fifteenth, but I know where to turn
so in retros back when I talk to these people with their encounters, I
absolutely I'm very empathetic toward their story, and I totally realize and understand why
they don't want to make it public. They want to be anonymous because a
lot of these people are doctors and lawyers, business owners, or people that
worked the graveyard shift in a factory. It doesn't matter everybody. People are
people to me, but they just don't want bad judgments right thrown at them.
They don't want to be ridiculed. So by doing a book and putting
their story into words, I think they gives them a sense of relief.
Much like when I told my story for the very first time, I've told
the first ten times I told my story, and the typically was on a
radio show or on a YouTube podcast, I had a whole back tears because
I was still traumatized from PTSD and from the depth of my girlfriend that was
with me in the theme that I saw, which I till this day called
a demon, I don't think it is today. And again that's in the
book. I've told the story and it's not about my encounter. But this
is really the reason, though, why I did my YouTube channel, and
it's the reason why I wrote the book, because people need to hear these
stories, and to me, I'm helping. If I can help one person,
just one get through their day, then I feel that I did my
job. Are you staying open from people to contact you and give you more
reports that you continue to talk about on your shows and potentially mention in a
new book, because I know this one says book one, so presumably this
is going to be more following. Well, you know I'm gonna sell Book
one does, of course, but book two as already being written. I've
got ninety two stories in the queue. And again and the one thing that
I do provide though, is I also do a lot of these stories on
my channel Bigfoot miarsk Rob on YouTube. I do videos and tell the stories
that way as well, and a lot of them on book one I put
into the book. So Book two is going to be kind of a lot
like Book one is to be the same concept. I might change it up
and again, Dean, it just depends on how this one does. But
even if it does, okay, my number one goal is to present the
stories for the people, because I am one or the people. Let's talk
about a couple of the stories, because I know that's what I'm sure lots
of people in the audience I like to hear about as well. I said,
just give me one of the step Maybe let's start with a standout bigfoot
one like one which you first heard and were quite surprised by, which you
know it was different to what you were expecting. Yeah, yeah, you
know, I can get into that now. Everyone that's listening listening now on
YouTube and listening, you gotta remember I wrote it took me about a year.
I started. I wrote this book last September. I started writing it.
So I'm not going to read any of these stories because as boring for
people watching on YouTube. So I'm gonna do it from memory, so you
have to just bear in mind that a lot of details might be I might
forget, but my memory is decent. So one bigfoot story that really stood
out to me was one that took place in Mount Shasta. There was a
man that built a home. He took it took him three years. He
had a successful business, he sold his business, and the story is called
mout chast a big Foot in the book if I recall correctly, And he
knew about bigfoot, he knew about cryptids, but he wasn't a researcher.
He just eat or heard about it, and whether he believed or not,
that was his thing. He built a beautiful home and during the three it
took him three years to build a home. And again he just sold a
business, and so he started going into the local community and he was buying
lumber, and then he started looking around. He realized that he couldn't build
this home on his own, and he was brand new to the area.
So he started talking to local contractors and that to help him. But he
was always in town every week. In the town was about an hour drive
from his property. And so finally, after about a year into the building
of his home. People were mentioning to him, Hey, where's your home.
Where's your house being built? He goes, well, it's in mouth
Chesta's in the foothills. Well, you know, there's a lot of big
foot. They're run around there. And he's like, what do you mean
bigfoot? Oh, yeah, sasquatch. And he got a hold of a
couple of tribal First Nations people telling them about that. So he was intrigued,
but he went about his business. Two years ago by his house is
finally built. It's a beautiful two level home and it overlooks He had like
five acres of property. In the backyard. It was about one hundred yards
to the tree line, and in the back of the tree line was a
beautiful view of Mount Shasta, enjoying all the fauna, nature, everything running
through there. So one night he's sitting out on his deck he had dual
decks, and on top of his deck upstairs, it was dusky, dawn
dust, it was dusky, almost going the sun was settling, and he
heard this very strange howl, one that he was unfamiliar with. Now living
there for three years, he heard all the howls of the fox the wolf,
the grunt or grown of the bear. So he was very familiar and
got accustomed to what they vocalized. But this vocalization to him was very different.
It was deep, it was a roar, and he found it to
be quite peculiar, so he puts it in his memory bank. About two
days later, he gets out and walking his property and again the tree line
starts maybe a hundred yards, I said from his home and her he noticed
he's enormous tracks footprints. He looked like a human being. They had five
to impression, but they were like twenty one inches long by maybe eight inches
wide eight inches wide. He said, who walks around barefoot? Around here?
And number one? Who has a foot that big? Now we've all
Then he says that he made makes mention in the book. I know who
Shaquille O'Neill is, the NBA basketball great who had really big feet. I
think I think he had twenty one Nike right, But he thought, who
walks around barefoot? And he they had mentioned it's kind of fall, so
it's cool out, but who does that? So he kind of was,
you know, interested, So he started researching and looking around his property and
found nothing else. And he went back to his home. A week later,
he here's again this the same sound, this very odd, very peculiar
vocalization. But now it's closer again. He's on his top deck. He
looks out and he sees the shadow, as he explains, of a humanoid
looking figure. And in the book he says, rob is probably like nine
foot tall, but it's shadowy. It had a shape of a human but
it was very odd because it was very wide, like four ft wide ten
feet tall, and it was a shadow. But you can see the image
again of a humanoid and it was standing on two feet and as he's looking,
it turned around and ran back into the tree line. The very next
day, he goes into town. He gets to a couple of the tribal
folks that made mention to him about sasquatch. Now he's inquiring, and they
say, yes, we told you before that they inherit the earth, inherit
the land in which you now live. So he's talking to these folks and
all of a sudden, then he runs to a store, a camera place,
and he buys a big telescope that he's now going to use a mount
on top of his deck to now look into the forest, which I thought
was weird because of Dean. If I had if I lived in Mother Nature,
i'd have one. I would have had a long time ago, just
to look at everything. But he never had one. He purchases this about
a month and two. He's combing the tree line and he and he makes
mention that he sees a set of glowing eyes, glowing eyes in the tree
line. Wow, what could that be? And they're hovering from the ground
up there again, hovering relatively tall, nine ten feet tall. He goes
to bed that night. Now he had three dogs. They were called Larry,
Mow and Curly. Yeah, that's what he named him. And he
never his dogs or I forget that. I'm sorry, I forget what type
of dogs they were. They were. I think I'll ask Mail Moose.
Perhaps again it's in the book. I don't remember, but but they were
always very calm. They were never much for barking or anything. He let
him out late one night. They're outside and this howl comes again from the
tree line. Well, the dogs make a bee line into his home and
he lets the dogs in. The immediately run underneath his kitchen table on the
lower level, and they are there whimpering and crying, and you know,
and and the and the writer or the man that sent the email, and
got very disturbed by this because this was very unusual, and he's had the
dogs now for several years, so maybe perhaps it was intuition or whatever it
was. But he ran up his stairs and he wanted to get out on
his deck and look into the yard and use his telescope. Well, he
is to the top of the stairs, and as soon as he makes it
to the top of the level of the of the second floor, he sees
on the second floor a mind you, instead of glowing eyes staring into the
upper room. He stopped. He looks, he cannot move, He's paralyzed.
What there's no way. There is no way. As in the book
he explains, it's like a ten foot second level from the ground and he
sees a set of these glowing eyes staring into his house. Rob He says,
I was frozen in time, trying to process what I'm seeing. He
still hears his dogs whimpering down below in the down on the second on the
lower level, So he says, I got a gump, I got a
will power, or I shook out of whatever trance I was, and I
made toward the eyes, toward the eyes. The eyes all of a sudden
dropped down. He can't see them. And now, he says, he
looks out and he sees his big shadow, something on two feet running into
the forest. He grabs his telescope and he's trying to pan and find it,
which, as you know, that was probably a difficult task. He
says, he got lucky as this the entered the woods, that turned around
and he saw the face of something that looked like a human being, yet
not a human being. Something both human and animal looked, saw the glare
of the eyes, and it returns into the forest. Now he knows there's
something. Now he's now now he's fully believing what the First Nations people are
telling him about this. He goes down, he comforts his dogs. The
next morning, he goes back into town. He tracks down one of the
First Nations people that became friends with and told him about the experience and say,
yes, that was sasquatch. Now do you believe And he goes,
yeah, I believe because I saw something that should not exist. There's more
to the story, but in conclusion of the a story, he's never seen
this creature again, but he's still to this day. According to him,
here's the house from the depths of the woods, and he thinks that it's
kind of now he feels that it's maybe looking over him because they've caused him
no harm. He has done nothing to the dogs. The dogs ever since
that they are more relaxed and calm, And he thinks that this creature does
look over his property, and he thinks that it does come around because he
has seen tracks on his property. But he says he's at ease. He
says, rob sasquatch doesn't exist. Wow. What jumped out, other than
the stunning soughting itself in that and the ridiculously told obviously creature, is that
Mount shast is hot spot not just for sasquatches, but for UFOs for stories
about entrance ways to ancient civilizations and the inner Earth to New Age sensibilities,
which kind of ties in. I think with a question we had from Emily
Men's house from What the Frick Live. I was actually on What the Frick
Live on Friday night talking about the man who inventifying sources said people should go
and check that show out. But she asked, I'm interested in frequency in
an area during the time of witnesses seeing Cryptid's, bigfoots, etc. Do
you think there are areas where there might be I don't know a frequency,
or there's a reason there might be a window areas John Kill talked about,
or something that is seeing more of these strange things manifest. Well, I
gotta tell you something about this. This is a very great question. I
My encounter that I came across in Leak Catile Act mission was June fifteenth,
twenty eighteen. And again, as I mentioned earlier, I didn't know.
I couldn't process anything. Cindy passed away two months later and I was lost.
I was long. However, I started researching online like a lot of
people would, as you should. What the hell did I see? Right?
And so a couple of years later I started my channel. So throughout
the last two years, most particularly, I've talked to a lot of researchers,
the big name researchers down to Hey, the weekend Warrior. I don't
discriminate if you've got a story, if you're a researcher, I want to
hear it. But up until maybe six months ago, I started involved with
these frequencies with energy vibrations, all these different patterns. The book that I
read, Ron moorehead, The Quantum Bigfoot. I talked to Ron, he
was on my show, and he said, Rob, twenty years ago,
thirty years ago, if you would have come to me and said I think
Bigfoot is paranormal or the woo, right, we all heard the term the
wu, I'd have told you a young man turn around and go home.
Now, as he talks to me and speaks with me, he says he's
into these vibrations and a frequency, and he is a true believer today and
he wasn't again twenty years ago. That these creatures with their with their mass.
He believes they can turn their masks into energy, and they can transport
wherever it's like, whether it be a portal or whether it just be from
astro projecting, whatever, whatever floats your boat, but that they can do
these things. And the more research that I've done and the more people I've
spoken with, I do believe. And people will say, Rob, I
just think that cryptos are fleshed and blood. I think that they are to
an extent, but I do think this is talking weird the show. I
think there are portals. I think there are other realms and realities, and
I think that a lot of these things not necessarily mind counter, but I
think that they do happen. I think it occurs, and I think that
it's something we can't discard. I think it is something that exists. You
know, it's not recognized by science, of course, being but the people
that are doing the boots in the ground and the people are out there that
are doing the research, they know. So that being said, yes,
I agree, and I think that it comes in all shapes and sizes.
I think it just it could be a natural product of the forest. But
I also think that they come through and they can transport themselves that might sign
UFO or alien which I believe in both of those as well. I've seen
a UFO at least And and yeah, I think all these things scrypt is
ufology Aaron normal. I think there are connected somehow or another, because there's
too many stories that we hear about a UFOs citing the Bigfoot appears or dog
ban or this or the other. So to me, there's something that connects.
The question is what, and I'm yet to figure that out. I
think we're very much in tune on the idea that somehow a lot of these
things are interconnected, and I agree with a lot of the I don't necessarily
agree with all of Ron Moorehead's theories, but I think he's experienced enough strange
things to know that it's more complicated than just flesh and blood permanently living in
the woods. I actually had him on one of the first episodes of Talking
Weird we did when we jumped to the Untold Radio Networks. So yeah,
people should read Quantum Bigfoot as well. They should read your book first,
and they should go and read Quantum big because it's worth reading. We have
a question from one of our most regular and loyal listeners and viewers, and
she's an author her self. That's Nancy Come. She asks, Rob,
do any of the stories mentioned mine speak? What telepathy with big Fource?
Well, Nancy, the answer your question, Yes, there's at least in
this book. You guys, there's forty five stories and they're Bigfoot, and
they're dog Man, and I do have a moth Man's story in there.
But yes, there's four or five stories that have telepathy or mind speak where
a person did communicate with a cryptid And I do happen to agree that it
does happen. You know, if you go back to First Nations people who
I trust and I believe in the First Nations, certainly a lot of other
things are more supernatural because they believe a lot of them, not all.
Most of the people I've spoke with believe that the Sasquatch is a spiritual entity
of the words, tector of the words, if you will, and they
communicate to Bigfoot through mindspeed telepathy, and they come more into spirit form versus
a flesh and blood form. Now I'm out one hundred percent, one hundred
percent convinced in that. But with that being said, I think that does
happen. I think these people tell the truth, but I also think there
are the flesh and blood side to it. But they answer the question once
again. In the book, there's four or five stories about mind speak with
people communicating not only with Bigfoot but also the Dreaded dog Man. Well,
I think that's a perfect segue into a dog Man story from the book.
Rub Well, thanks for that, you know, well, in the I
can't tell you the dog Man Island story because they would take thirty minutes.
And it's my most popular video and it's in the book. I have dog
Man Island one and two both in the book, and both you can find
out my channel. But I will tell you this one. And I like
telling this story because it has dog Man, it has corruption by of course
our ABC agencies, and the state park. And this story took place in
Indiana and in Indiana State Park. Okay. And I mentioned the name of
the park in the book because the book, as I mentioned, is true
Crypton Encounters. So if a state park is mentioned in the book, it
is the state park. And I'm thinking the name of this state park is
Oak Creek. Again, I'm trying to remember, but again it's in the
book. This is fascinating. A husband, a wife and their son.
They lived in South then Indiana, and they went which they'd done for like
a decade. They traveled through this Oak Oak Park state park in Indiana that's
about an hour and a half from the house. What they loved most about
the state park is they had horses and you were allowed to trailer your horses
because they had a lot of horse trails in which you could ride. So
they got a they rented, well, they came up in an RV.
You can rent cabins or you could RV and trailer your horses up. So
they had a nice RV. I'm guessing the family was pretty well off.
Beautiful RV trailer. They trailed the horses on a separate vehicle. They got
up to the state park in Indiana Park the RV, set up the RV,
they took out the horses, and they were ready to take a ride
on a trail. Now I'm going to preface the story by saying that the
son and the father we're amateur bigfoot researchers, and they knew about dog Man.
And I'm just saying that because of what happens during the story. So
the husband takes the wife. They get on one of the horses and the
son gets on the other horse, and they go about the trail. During
the trail, there was this ominous stench, and again they figured, well,
you know it's it's horses are here. We know there's horsemen. Hear
in fact, because are driving down the trailer. Excuse me, the trail.
They saw a lot of horse droppings, so that's what it is.
Maybe a quarter mile into the ride, they noticed other droppings or act which
wasn't horse maneuver, but it was something else. So the husband tells,
your wife, hey be and my son, we gotta get off, we
gotta look at this. She's oh, my god, you guys are looking
for bigfoot. Yeah, honey, this scat is unusual. So the hut,
the father and son see the scat and it appeared to be like big,
oversized wolf droppings, which they were familiar with. But the thing that
was odd about these droppings is the fact that this part of Indiana, and
I do believe, I don't even believe in the entire state of Indiana has
wolves. So they're thinking maybe some oversized dogs or whatever. So whatever they
noticed that thought it was unusual. They drive up the trail a little bit
further and now they see oversized wolf tracks on the trail, oversized, and
the story the man says, there like sick snap finishes long, four inches
wide, very unusual, and again there should not be any wolves in this
area anyway, and that's certainly not a dog print. They turn around the
horses. It's getting later in the day and they they take the horses back
to the trailer into the RV. Later on that night, they're sitting around
a campfire and from from the woods they hear howls. Wouldn't sounds like to
be wolves. Again, it's the husband, the wife and the sun.
The father looks at the sun and they look at it at each other like
those are not like wolves. This is different. The wife, the mom,
she's getting a little scared. So they get up and they go back
to the RV. Now, with this being said, though, when they
go back to the RV, which was in back of them about thirty or
forty yards, again they seen these same prints circling there that circled their RV
which they saw on the trail again, oversized dog or wolf prints. They
thought that was unusual. Now the husband is getting serious. He phones ahead
to the administrative office of the state park and of course this is Dean is
probably after midnight. There's no answer, nobody there, which is very interesting.
I must I have to say, no answer. They decide to go
to bed, and the father says to the mother, I'll get up in
the morning and report everything that we've encountered. The prince sell the trail,
the howls at night and these prints around the trail, because I want someone
to investigate and look at these. Wife says fine. They go to bed.
Well three o'clock in the morning. They hear these howls, but now
it's a singular howl, and it's right by the trailer where the horses are,
and the horses are trailered, probably thirty yards from the RV, and
this they all hear it. They hear some commotions going on with the horses,
and they hear these growls. The husband grabs a shotgun, which he
kid firearms were not allowed here, but he hit it in this big RV.
I think it was like a thirty two foot r V is huge,
according to the to the storyteller went out with his son and they noticed at
the back of the trailer the back hinges and the door of the back of
the trailer was ripped off, and they was ripped off, exposing the horses
they're in this thirty yards away. They proceed towards the trailer and they see
this bipedal figure run out, jump out of the back of the trailer.
Again. They can't make out what it is, but it's something big.
It's bipedal, and it turns around it runs back into the woods. The
father says, I should not have done this, but he took a shotgun.
He fired at this going into the wood line goes rob bad moving my
part. My adrenaline was pumping. It could have been a human being as
far as I know. So again I said, well then I'm reading it
and I'm like okay. Gets into the trailer, the one horse inside.
They had two horses in the trailer. The one horse had was was attacked
apparently because on the left lower quarter of the horse were three talent like claw
marks that were gouged out of his hind quarters and he was leading. Now,
he says, the horse wasn't bleeding profusely, it didn't hit the majority.
He sensed that the horse was not in danger, but he could not
tend to it and help it because he was very scared as well as the
other horse. They're still kind of bucking around. So the man gets on
his phone cell phone again, tries to call the administrative office, and you
know, he did get a hold of somebody said get your asses down here.
I got you got There's some things I have to tell you people.
So in less than five minutes, a park administrator shows up, an Indiana
State Park shareff shows up, and also a third person who did not say
who he was, but he was dressed in a suit. So he was
seeing an ABC agency dr and even DNR. You know what they were they
were They were camel outfit. I mean they were fatigues or for street clothes.
So I thought that was peculiar. So they're telling the story what happened.
So if the sun just blurts out dog man. These three officials,
the state park administrator, the sheriff and this other third wheel gathered the son
the father together and they say, almost in unison, please do not mention
the word dog man in regards to this park. The father is now thinking,
and I said, so is the son. What's going on here?
And they said, well, why is that. Listen, we're not going
to get into it. Do not do it. In fact, put on
social media. Don't tell anybody. So here and then they and then the
administrative the parks as well, here's what we'll do for you. I know,
as your horse was injured, We'll pay for any expenses for medical care
for your horse. We're gonna wave all your lot fees. We're in a
wave of the entire weekend. As far as I'm concerned, you guys don't
owe us any money. Whatever you've paid will refund, but please do not
make mention of this publicly. Okay, you know. The dad's like whatever,
Okay, they tell the story to the wife. Well, you know,
the next morning they just left. They get home to South Bend,
Indiana again about an hour and a half's drive anunder forty eight hours to get
a rap at the door there now of their home. Standing on their porch
is the administrator to it once again, the state park in Indiana, the
sheriff, and another again dressed in a suit, and governmental representative again,
well, you do apologize for your experience. Have you told anybody this?
No, we haven't. We're just trying to dude. It's not been two
days. You're ready at my door. And the man, rightfully so,
is very perturbed by this. Why are you guys here? They gave him
ten thousand dollars dean to make sure that he did not make mention of this
in cash, good grave, and I need to see a dog man cash
on that man. Yeah you know. Yeah, Well it's funny because the
commence I get they only got ten grand with making a joke about it,
and I thought ten grand. But here's the thing, though, they weren't
nice about giving them the ten grand. In fact, when they left,
they left to this family the distinct feeling that if word did get out,
and if you report this about this state park in Indiana, we will make
sure. They didn't saying these words, but they made they gave them the
feeling that their lives would be in danger. They felt threatened by these folks.
Sure, they gave them ten grand hush money, but also behind this,
they weren't happy. They weren't smiling. They were of the opinion that
look, yeah, better keep your mouth shut or something might happen to you.
So just quickly, was there impression that they wanted them to be quiet
because they didn't want to scare people out of India and a state parks of
because they have a cover up about dog men on a broad at a level
or well he suggested, And I gotta tell you something. Yes, they
didn't want you know, they didn't want bad publicity because who's going to go
there. But I have to tell you this, and this is so cool
about this story, which really gives me that this is a true story.
Yeah, my book's true Cryptan encounters, and I believe they're all to be
true. But I gotta tell you. When I published the book August first,
a lot of people have bought in it and I got my email.
By the way, it's in the book. Do you know, Dean,
that I got an email from a gentleman and this is a true, honestly
got story. They came across that story in my book, Rob. This
is not the first time I've heard a story similar. I've seen this story
on another podcast, and what you say would happen that family happened to another
family in that state park. This is like the third time I've heard about
this exact state park paying off people, the people at a dog man encounter,
And this is the third story this man email to me. I mean
he went out of his way. Who does that, Dean? So that's
that corroborates his entire story, because a stranger who bought the book or read
that story sent me an email corroborating that he's heard that story not once,
but twice now the third time. So for me, I know that's going
on, and I know that people are getting paid hush money, and I
know they're not nice about it. And that's the thing. Do we really
have these creatures? I think they exist. I do. Do you really
feed. These state parks are holding back and don't want you type because they
don't want to have lose people coming through and camping their parks. My answered
you that question is absolutely it's interesting. We certainly know in Wisconsin that the
DNA have been very reluctant to admit in the Driftless area sightings about black panthers.
The the late great Linda god Free made a film called Return to WorldCat
Mountain about that area, and we did the world premiere at a festival they
run at Midwest weed Fest. And not only did we screen the film Linda
wist to present, but multiple witnesses from that film came in talking about the
DNA not wanting to acknowledge it. Now, it wasn't quite that as aggressive,
you know, a cover up, but they certainly were reluctant to admit
the possibility of a cryptotype creature in that area, and I certainly found everybody's
testimony about that convincing. I do have a question for you, though,
from a fellow is at Michigan Night. What's somebody from Michigan? What do
you call you guys Michigan or Michigan Nights, Michigander Michigander. There you go.
Actually, Horace Smith is a professor emeritus of astronomy and Physics of Michigan
State University, and he was on the show last week with Eddie Gaumont.
They've just published a book as well, called When the Stars Are Write HP
Lovecraft and Astronomy, and he asks in Michigan, some areas where Bigfoot is
reported were clear cut in logging days. Does that mean that a flesh and
blood Bigfoot must be able to migrate from place to place to survive as bears
might. That's a great question. Again, I've been doing studying this for
five years. In the opinions of people I've spoke with the varies. Do
I think they migrate. I don't think they do personally. I think though
that now you talk about migration going from state to state, I think,
yeah, like the ones there are in Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, I
think that they stay in their states. But I do think, and I
know this in the opperpendinsul that they might move ten twenty miles from maybe their
clan was. I think that I've heard stories about people were if they've started
a family in a spot in a location, let's just say Michigan in the
up. I think that they raise their young, But then I think when
they're raised or they're in juveniles, I think they do move and migrate.
So I guess in a sense they migrate. I don't think it's like from
state to state to state, because I think my friend texts he's been researching
Bigfoot dog man paranormal for ten years where he in Brown Springs, and it's
the same population of these things over there. But sometimes you see him,
sometimes you don't, and sometimes you might seem not see them for two or
three years, with all of sudden they're there. So as I mean,
I think they move about the state and where if there's food, they're going
to stay. Certainly in the state Northern Michigan and the Upper Peninsula, we
got all the water, we got all the vast forests. We've got a
million a billion deer roaming here. So I don't think. I think they
only migrate when the food runs out, And really, where does food ever
run out? In my opinion, in the forest. We have a comment
from another Michiganda or Michiganda. How do you pronounce that? Rob Michiganda Michigander
Michiganda Martin Akatz, who's actually the titular character in the documentary big Foot in
Marty, he's the poet laureate of the up from your state, and he's
in the documentary where it's not a simple crypto documentary. It's about his him
writing big Foot poetry, but it also speaks to various Bigfoot investigators. You
would really dig that movie. You should probably get a hold of guests for
your show. Actually, yeah, may Marty Martin for anybody out there in
chat. I know we're promoting the book of my YouTube channel and on my
YouTube channel you can find my email and my email is beyond bmri a gmail
dot com. So yeah, any of you folks are Michigan or anybody interested,
you can contact me via that and on my social media Facebook, all
that stuff. So I'd love to talk to anybody in chat or listening later
from Michigan or it don't matter if you're from Texas, Oklahoma, Indiana.
Yeah, I get a hold of me because I love to hear your stories
and give and listen to what you have to say. So yeah, absolutely,
a few people have been talking in the chat since you mentioned the type
of cover up and then it's government parks, and Emily is one of them,
saying, it's interesting how many sightings happen in government owned parks. And
I think earlier she was suggesting that it might al must be some type of
government silp or government experiment going on in these areas. Emily said that,
yeah, well, well whoever, Yeah, those are great, But thank
Samily, Emily. I gotta get a hold of you. I've seen some
of your comments. You seem I like you. You'd like a show too,
A show's great. Yeah, yeah, we all get together, Emily
and Shock. I will say this, and this is gonna be another hour
show. I know we have an hour. But there's another one of my
theories, especially with the government and maybe an ABC agency. Again. I
just throwed that out there because everyone says ABC. But let's face it,
our government, I think they care. I think that they genetically have experimented
with creating creatures. I think they've released them in the forest, and I
think they cover it up. You know, you always hear about the four
one one the missing people. Well, my opinion is this. I think
it's natural. I think natural animals get some of these people. I think
some of these people as humans, and I think that there are cryptids that
are involved, and there's probably five other things I can mention, but I
do think it's interesting. There always people to talk about governmental bioengineered creatures.
I think they exist. I think we do it, and I think that
they cover a lot of this up in a back pedal, right, and
they go to look for these things themselves, and they feel that they don't
want this information release because frankly, our government is probably responsible for a percentage
of the four one one I do. I believe that month Man forty six
checkingly said, w w A w C w n W. I've been watching
a little wrestling documentary is funnily enough lately, so you're shooting into my wavelength.
Monthman forty six, Oh, I have a great moth Man story too.
We don't have time for you to think, because I do have a
cool Mothman story. Would you want would you want to? Do you want
to do it? I'll let you do. Let's say one more story.
Do you want to give me a moth Man story? Let's do it?
And do you give me one minute? Cause I've let my dog out and
I'd be glad to tell it. Give me about sixty sackers. Okay,
I'll just have to chat to people here in the chat you go in,
you going, I mean, I'm big lacking, like should have gap earlier.
I'll be back in a second. I'd love to do it, sure.
And I was always saying I've I've been a big fan of wrestling documentaries
because I'm knee deep in shooting my own documentary and editing my own documentary called
The Man Who Invented Flying Sources, which is about Raymond Palmer, who was
an editor of Amazing Stories and in the mid nineteen forties he ran a series
of stories from a gentleman called Richard Shaver who claimed to be in contact with
civilizations underneath this Earth called the Darrow, who were an evil civilization, the
terror who were a friendly a civilization, and they were leftovers from an ancient
and to alluvial race that had once lived on the planet Earth and had fled
when the radiation from the sun got too much. But much of this predates
the type of things we think about flying sources today. The idea that there
are ancient civilizations, that people get abducted, that they have mind control,
elements to the tales a lot of this comes straight out of the Shave of
Mystery. And then Raymond Palmer went on to popularize much of flying Sauce a
little. But now we have we have BM back, So thank you,
Rob, I don't have to keep bubbling about my documentary. Now both men's
story. Well, you know, you know, self promotion is always good.
Hey, listen. I I used to feel like people you shouldn't promote
yourself, but you know what, if you do something worthwhile, promote yourself.
And today I'm a firm believer in that. Plus I'm a salesmansho I
sold I worked in the bar industry for thirteen years as a bar owner.
You always got to sell that shot with that beer. But you know,
the this is a moth and again, you guys, this story it's like
three pages long in the book. What's cool about the book They are about
five hundred two one thousand words as a piece of three or four pages,
and so they're very quick reading, very entertaining, and you can go all
over the book to find whatever meets your fancy. But again, I'm doing
this from memory, so you're not getting all the descriptive detail. But this
moth fans story was pretty cool, and it's called Crypted flying over Lake Michigan,
and it's pretty cool. So the story goes on, and I know
we have a lot of times, so I'll give the reader's digest version.
So a couple they wake up in the morning. They're doing a Fourth of
July party in Chicago. They have a big thirty two thirty three foot sea
ray boat and they proceed and it's in front of their house, their wealthy
couple, and they get out. They proceed down Lake Michigan towards Chicago.
And I do want to make mentions because I actually marked this in a book
the name of the bridge. They come across the Desable Bridge downtown Chicago.
So they actually take their boat and they reached to this location in downtown Chicago
on the water. So as they're again, they're preparing all their orderers.
They're getting this big party for it's for Fourth July weekend. And what they
were going to do is they were going to pick up some friends in downtown
Chicago. I guess there was a place where they could park or dock the
boat and pick up their friends. And they were going to go out into
the bay and wash the fireworks so it just so happens this disabled bridge was
a bridge that they had to go underneath to pick up their friends. And
also along this bridge there's again it's it's like by downtown and there's like an
interstate that's you know, zooming up and down the waterways up top. So
again the story is a lot longer than what I'm going to tell you,
guys, if I'm going to get to the meat and potatoes. They get
to the disable bridge and they're entering it now. They say, it's maybe
about ten thirty in the morning, light boat traffic, a lot of boats
already, we're out in the bay setting up for the activities. You know,
people that are voters, Doctor Dean, ten o'clock in the morning for
something that happened at midnight. Ask that unusual. Voters seem to like to
live it up, especially during the three months when you have the season.
So they're already preparing. So they they're getting to the bridge. They get
to this bridge, and underneath this bridge, the man and the woman they've
had this ominous feeling. And the bridge is not as little short thirty foot
bridge just you gotta try novel some distance maybe one hundred and twenty feet So
as they're getting under the bridge. Now at the end of this bridge,
it led up to the opened up to the downtown area, and up to
the right was like the freeway was running across. So it's a very populated
area. Unlike the stories that we hear about it's always in the woods,
there's always nobody around. This isn't a populace. They're midway through the underneath
the bridge and all of a sudden, something at the end of the bridge
drops down, and as the man explains, it was a human, annoyed
looking thing, but it had big wings. And when he sees this and
the wife sees it, they said, man, that's a hell of a
big bat. And as they're getting closer, he realizes, honey, this
is not a bat. This the bridge is like twenty feet wide, thirty
feet wide, and this is encompassing a lot of the bridge. It's just
and it's and it's it's it's stopping the light from refracting. It's underneath the
bridge. And she as they're getting closer and closer, they says, oh
my gosh, there's no bad What is that. They turn around and it's
a dark figure. It's a dark figure, humanoid body with wings like a
bat wings. The guy turns around his boat and the yeah, he says,
I got a big boats, you know, I gotta take my time
and turning it around. So he proceeds to get the hell out of there.
So he's going out underneath towards the open water. And now guess what
happens. That figure, that bad, that creature, that moth band whatever
it is, now appears at the other end blocking the exit. Jeez.
And now these people are freaking out. They cannot They're they're like, my
what is going on? And they're literally scared man, and they're thinking that
their life's in dangers. Something bad is going to happen. Yeah. He
slows up his boat, which is not going fast anyway underneath the bridge,
you're only going two miles an hour anyway, slows it down, turns around
this thirty two thirty five foot vessel and has now back towards you know,
the city. And he guess what happens the third time this figure again drops.
It drops in front of them. They're both petrified. He now,
this man isn't panic, does not know what to do. So what he
does is this, and he says in the story, and I do have
to say this. He mentioned in the story he started drinking about eleven o'clock
and it's about one o'clock in the afternoon. So how drunk can you get
in two hours? I don't know. The man couldn't tell you, so
I'd imagine, you know, you could probably went out pretty quickly. Bus
he says, Rob, I don't know the adrenaline. And he says,
I opened up my boat and I made it go faster. He goes because
because to him, in his mind, this thing was not going to let
him escape from the tunnel or from it seemed like a tunnel, but it
was kind of a tunnel with the bridge, so there's walls on both sides.
So he opens up the throw and he guns it at this thing,
and he's praying for his life that he's just praying. He goes, he's
about five feet from hitting this thing. Then all of a sudden, it
dematerializes it into fog and discip pates. But now you have to remember this,
he's driving this boat at a high rate of speed, which he had
no business doing. He lost control of his boat. He groomed to the
right, and he hit this hill, and he yes, and he goes
up the hill and he lands in the middle of the freeway, s gets
across the freeway. Right, It's like something out of a James Bond movie.
Yeah, no, but no, this was not James Bond. His
wife broke he broke a leg, She got thrown in the boat. He
says, he was he hit his head, he was unconscious. He woke
up in his Chicagoland hospital and when he woke up, his hand his wrists
handcuffs on and he was shackled to the bed in the hospital and police were
there. He got arrested for drunk driving of a boat, reckless endangerment,
and a couple other charges. So he says, now he starts telling this
story that was the moth Man. Officers, this story is not funny.
I mean, I'm sure that this had I'm sure this was not a funny
story, but it is funny to un man. Now you're telling us that.
Yeah, and he said this he was robbed. Dude. I brought
up that moth Man story about what I saw, and they looked at me
while you were like two point two, you're a loaded dude. You're going
to jail. You're both sup pounded happy for the July and that was a
story and I want people should buy the book just to have that story that
you oh my god. Yeah, so yeah, I mean, is it
again? I marked the book from the people think I got the are people
true stories? You know? Take it for wes Worth is very good books.
They're taking a lot of great data. There's a lot of great stories
in the book, and there's some boring ones. There's like Bigfoot across See.
I'm the type of guy if you tell me a story, Dean,
I'm not going to dismiss it. And there are ones that are simply Bigfoot
crossing the road, looked at me, I got scared and it vanished across
the road. There are stories like getting like that in there. As I
mentioned early in the show, there are scary ones. There are insightful ones.
There's happy ones. But the great thing about the book is it does
make you think. And if your intercrypt is and weirdness like we are here,
you'll really enjoy the book. I mean, I've gotten the reviews are
coming in. It's got a five star rating on Amazon. Now I'm getting
good reviews. I'm tooting my own horn I'm really surprised that the success has
had so far, and I hope that it continues on. And I really
appreciate the fact that he had me out today. Man, it's always a
great joy talking to you. Rob. Now tell people I've put a link
to the Amazon page in the show notes. So anybody watching this with on
YouTube or Facebook or on various podcast platforms that they're listening to it afterwards should
be able to go into the show notes and just find that address and go
to it. But for somebody just listening who wants to type something in it,
what's the best way for them to find your True Crypto Encounters. Yeah,
well, if if you are going up the links, if most everyone
everybody has the Amazon, you just go into Amazon straight and tape Bigfoot Michigan
Rab Presents True crypt Encounter, TrueCrypt Encounters Book one. I think if you
just tape them, big Foot Michigan Rabbit will pull up. To be honest,
But if you want to take the title of the book big Foot Michigan
Representscounters blah blah blah, I think big Foot Mission Raps should do it.
I tried that the other day and I think it pulls up that way,
and of course you said you have the link, and also for everybody out
there, I really I would appreciate if you check out the book, but
also my YouTube channel. I always have to tell out the because I'm very
proud of that. And my YouTube channel is Bigfoot Mischian Rob type that on
YouTube subscribe if you would, and the link to my book is also in
my YouTube page where you can just click on the link, and on my
YouTube channel. I do live shows with the researchers and experiencers Tuesdays at nine
and these and Thursdays at one pm and ees my show with Tuesdays with tax
and in my Thursday is with text and Thursdays with brand Chris too I'm sorry
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videos about encounter stories, so it's well worth checking out. Yeah, people
should definitely go on subscribe your YouTube channel, and again that's also in the
show notes for somebody who wants to go and get the interest from the Rob.
Just fantastic to having you back on the show. Let's get you back
again sometime soon. We'll chat, I'm sure I'll fear anyway, But until
I talk to you properly again until I talk to everybody else out there.
Keep it weird, Oh yeah, I embraced the weird, that's for sure,
say man,