WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:08.720 It's time for coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven nine 2 00:00:08.800 --> 00:00:28.519 day. Now here's Nick coffee. All right, we got some breaking news 3 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:31.640 here as soon as he went to breaker maybe right at that exact same time. 4 00:00:32.880 --> 00:00:37.960 Another commitment in for mister Pat Kelsey, the birthday boy. It is 5 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:43.840 his birthday today. Another request has been sent at whose birthday was? It 6 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:46.240 was it Jeff Brown's birthday a few months ago, a couple months ago, 7 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:48.520 and somebody asked me to sing Happy Birthday to him just a couple of weeks 8 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:51.759 ago. Yeah, I chose not to, and I'm not gonna sing Happy 9 00:00:51.759 --> 00:00:54.000 Birthday at Pat Kelsey, but I will wish him a happy birthday. And 10 00:00:54.079 --> 00:00:58.079 his gift is and I'm sure you know, I'm sure he's got plenty of 11 00:00:58.079 --> 00:01:00.520 gifts because he's the he's a made man in lowl right. The honeymoon is 12 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:04.599 is in full effect and it's going really well. And the latest example of 13 00:01:04.599 --> 00:01:11.239 that is this commitment from Kahani. Ruth's a former Michigan signee and and we've 14 00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:14.760 talked about quite a bit. He visited this past weekend on an official visit 15 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:19.200 and has decided to commit to Louisville. So back to back days commitments for 16 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:25.480 Pat Kelce and this won't count towards your like, this won't do anything as 17 00:01:25.519 --> 00:01:30.319 far as the portal ranking because he's not a portal guy. But if you're 18 00:01:30.319 --> 00:01:33.319 adding one freshman and it's a top you know, a top forty, top 19 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:36.200 thirty depending on where you look, player, and he happens to be a 20 00:01:36.239 --> 00:01:41.959 big that clearly you still need to add depth there. I mean again, 21 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:45.680 it won't count towards how Louisville is doing on the on the on you know 22 00:01:45.760 --> 00:01:47.680 when it comes to because again I know I talked about it earlier, but 23 00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:53.640 everybody's obsessed with looking at every different transfer portal ranking that you can find, 24 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:57.359 rather it be classes or players. So this guy, again, he won't 25 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:00.959 factor into that. But I don't care. If you're gonna get one freshman, 26 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:04.480 this is a good one to get. And now I guess you have 27 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:07.319 like so right now Louisvill's got this is not in the order, but you've 28 00:02:07.360 --> 00:02:13.319 got Chucky Hepburn, Corn Johnson, Terrence said Wards, Javon Hadley, Cason, 29 00:02:13.360 --> 00:02:19.000 Pryor Rayin Smith, Kahani, Russ Cater Treira, which, by the 30 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:22.680 way, everybody keeps mentioning him as a Booba car which is his legal name, 31 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:25.080 and like that's what he's listed at it a lot, but like when 32 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:28.840 he gets here, we're gonna learn he goes by cater k A d e 33 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:32.599 Er is like what is what is what people refer to him as? And 34 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:36.479 then James Scott, So that gives you nine. And then there's two red 35 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:39.919 shirts, Ali Khalifa and Kobe Rodgers, So you have two scholarships left. 36 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:45.199 And I don't think it's crazy to think that it could be Ugo and it 37 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:47.919 could be Noah Waterman. I would rather have Waterman, to be honest with 38 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:50.680 you, because I think he's a better player, but Ugo would give you 39 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:54.120 a little bit more balance when it comes to the true center position. But 40 00:02:57.240 --> 00:03:01.879 happy birthday, Pat Kelsey. I'm happy that you're a coach again. I 41 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:06.919 gotta get better. This is when I said this yesterday, Like wheneverthing like 42 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:12.479 whenever there's good news and like the momentums there and there's good vibes, like 43 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:15.400 it's not new to me, but it's been a while, right, the 44 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:21.840 conversations about Louisville basketball for the last two and really three years, right, 45 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:23.800 like the last year Mack was terrible. We know that when he left and 46 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:27.840 then Begeeze to go over So for three years, like it's just been conversations 47 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:30.680 that were, you know, for the most part, about not good stuff. 48 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:35.479 And I learned a lot about myself in this position during that stretch because 49 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:38.879 I can't fake it right like I like, for example, it was awkward. 50 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:42.919 Time I've ever had on the air was like when Louisville would randomly win 51 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:44.840 a game, like what do you want me to do? Act like I 52 00:03:44.879 --> 00:03:49.039 think differently? I can't. It'd be fake, it be phony. And 53 00:03:49.080 --> 00:03:51.719 if I ever do that, I wouldn't if that's ever what I was like 54 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:53.879 asked to do or expected to do, I wouldn't want to do it because 55 00:03:53.919 --> 00:04:00.599 that's just lame. So now I gotta shake the rust off. I mean, 56 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:04.599 because I'm excited, but I also don't, you know, I don't 57 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:10.199 want to just you know, you know, I don't want to go overboard. 58 00:04:10.360 --> 00:04:12.360 But we had a couple of people yesterday when I'd mentioned that, like 59 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:15.720 you forgot how to be a homer, maybe I did, maybe like cardboard 60 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:25.560 needs to be reborn, because I mean, I'm I'm genuinely it's the right 61 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:29.399 word to use her to not be so dramatic and you know, exaggerate too 62 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:36.279 much. If you just said that this was the roster you'd have on May 63 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:40.720 fifteenth when he took the job, whenever that was. I can't think of 64 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:44.040 the actual date like you you would think, Okay, this guy's going to 65 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:45.879 kill it here, and again, none of us know how things are going 66 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:53.319 to actually work out. You never know, and I believe given the situation, 67 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:58.399 entire new staff, entire new roster, from top to bottom. The 68 00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:01.720 best way to describe this season for Pat Kelsey it's it's the ultimate unknown. 69 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:04.920 But I don't want to brand it as that because that would make it seem 70 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:08.519 as if I'm like, already, you know, we'll see, we'll see, 71 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:12.240 which again, that's true, but just saying we'll see gives people like 72 00:05:12.279 --> 00:05:15.319 the ammunition to use against you all you're negative. Oh you're not, You're 73 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:18.959 you know you're not. You're already you know you're the worst. So I'm 74 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:26.040 excited and now we see what happens with these other two scholarships. I and 75 00:05:26.079 --> 00:05:28.240 this isn't just I mean, I can't prove this, but I feel like 76 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:31.519 freshmen that do that are now like the market for freshmen, especially those that 77 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:35.399 aren't, you know, top five players. They don't have the ability to 78 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:42.399 demand as much money, right like they don't. So I don't know how 79 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:48.199 much Kahani Russ really impacts your ability to use in I own money to go 80 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:53.000 get two more good players. Now, if it's three hundred k for Ugo, 81 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:55.839 I mean, I don't think anybody's paying that, and I hope Louisville 82 00:05:55.879 --> 00:06:00.040 doesn't. But Noah Waterman, I'm hopeful that we find out in these next 83 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:04.879 two days that he is working on his visit because that'd be a really good 84 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:09.720 piece. All Right, it's Coffee and Company. We are filed by Thornton's 85 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:12.639 here on Sports Talk seven ninety. My name is Nick Coffee the company man 86 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:15.040 John All on the alongside today. Don't forget to sign up to become a 87 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:17.800 member of the Thornton's Refreshman Awards program if you haven't already, and if you 88 00:06:17.800 --> 00:06:19.879 want to give us a call, you can five way two five seven one 89 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:24.839 seventy nine hundred is the number phone lines that are open. John and I 90 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:28.639 were going back and forth during the break and I love this because whenever John 91 00:06:28.680 --> 00:06:30.920 and I can take something that we were discussing off the air and kind of 92 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:33.399 bring it in. I just think it's you know, I enjoy doing that 93 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:38.079 because John's a big part of this show. He's an IU fan. I 94 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:40.680 think everybody knows that if you're somewhat new to the show. I guess we 95 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:44.839 haven't talked about the Hoosiers as much, but he's every day. He wears 96 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:48.399 his candy stripe pants every day. Tom Hole office notes, Tom Crean, 97 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:55.160 And what's the guy who you guys fired, Archie Miller? No, the 98 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:58.120 football coach, Tom Allen. He's a Tom Allen Archie Miller guy. Like 99 00:06:58.160 --> 00:07:00.560 he's a Hoosier through and through, and I'll give him credit. While all 100 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:05.720 the other Indiana fans were bitching and acting like Mike Woodson needed to be fired, 101 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:10.519 like John was level headed. He realized, Look, I'm not telling 102 00:07:10.519 --> 00:07:13.279 you it's gonna work out. I'm not saying he's gonna win a national championship. 103 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:15.680 But those thinking that, like they should make a move, now go 104 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:17.879 play in traffic. He didn't say that, he wouldn't a lot of those 105 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:20.639 people are horned up now, Yeah, they're horned up for Mike Woodson, 106 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:26.279 who they have right to be. I still actually believe that when you consider, 107 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:29.480 like, don't just go off the portal rankings, although if you look 108 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:31.480 in certain areas you'll see Indiana number one. And I get it. They've 109 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:34.360 done really well in the portal. But what they also did is they kept 110 00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:40.480 everybody you'd want to keep, like roster management for Mike Woodson this offseason. 111 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:43.000 I don't think it could have gone any better. And I mean that. 112 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:46.360 So they've got one scholarship left now or will it be one if they? 113 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:49.680 If they, if they, Hatton is on his visit right now, and 114 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:54.079 he's still projected to commit to Indiana. I believe so if he commits to 115 00:07:54.079 --> 00:07:58.800 all be left with one scholarship. Okay, So he said something along the 116 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:01.879 lines and I I don't want to misquote you, but like, if they, 117 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:07.040 if Louisville has all their scholarships accounted for before Indiana, I said, 118 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:11.920 not be embarrassed by it. Yeah, And I just think that's one unfair 119 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:16.959 to Indiana. But it also gets me back to something that I've mentioned here 120 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:20.920 and there that now Louisville could be in that same situation that is not an 121 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:26.160 attractive spot for a player in the portal that wants to play. I mean, 122 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:31.120 it's just not unless, like you know, somehow they got Coleman Hawkins 123 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:33.480 to come in. But at that point, you know what, you might 124 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:35.000 lose one of the guys you landed in the portal in all seriousness, because 125 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:39.279 that's I mean, I don't really know if you've got anybody that's at his 126 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:43.360 position. Obviously you're bringing back not where. But it's the other guy that 127 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:48.679 oh uh Malik renewed. Yeah, and he's he's phenomenal. So I just 128 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:52.360 think, like for you know, we'll see, but I think Louisville will 129 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:56.600 have a better chance of filling theirs, more so than Indiana because at Louisville, 130 00:08:56.639 --> 00:08:58.759 at least you can say, well, hey, there's nobody that's like 131 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:03.679 returning from playing to twenty five minutes, like it's everybody's new. And you 132 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:07.000 know, I think Javon Hadley's a really good player that's going to help a 133 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:11.399 lot. I think Trey or from Long Beach State is like the most undervalued 134 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:16.279 guy they've added at this point, but other players might not think that because 135 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:20.679 they've probably never heard of them. So Indiana, again, you've landed. 136 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:24.519 I mean, I think it's the athletic maybe or is maybe it's a twenty 137 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:26.600 four seven has the MIT number. Well, at least last time I looked, 138 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:30.279 they were number one. Might have changed. Not even talking team rankings, 139 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:35.080 I'm talking I'm talking like players specifically. There's Canaan Carlisle was in the 140 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:37.399 top ten, Miles Rice as top fifteen or twenty. You'll had like four 141 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:41.320 dudes in the top twenty five. Good he was, but I'm sure he 142 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:43.679 was up there as well. So what I'm getting at is with that, 143 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:48.240 who, like, that's not an attractive spot to go take unless you're just 144 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:54.960 literally trying to go play for a big ten program and you are willing to 145 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:58.080 maybe you know, have to work your way up from like third on, 146 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:00.559 you know, third in line to play at a certain position. Well, 147 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:03.600 I think best case scenario, at least from what would make sense for a 148 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:07.320 player, you find a freshman who was maybe underrecruited, somebody who's not a 149 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:09.679 big name, just to kind of fill that scholarship. Maybe it doesn't really 150 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:13.759 matter if you fill it, but you find somebody who wants to kind of 151 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:18.799 cut their teeth play against a good, you know, roster in practice and 152 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:20.759 then maybe turn it into something or transfer later on. And here's what's great 153 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:24.720 because if it doesn't work out after year one and they realize the heart they 154 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:26.240 like. For example, Joey Hart. Remember everybody was horned up for Joey 155 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:28.720 Hart last year. Yes, because he was one of the late guys available 156 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:33.360 that really broke out as a senior playing in the state of Indiana. And 157 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:37.799 he goes to Kentucky and did he play a second maybe? And then he 158 00:10:37.879 --> 00:10:39.960 hit the Portland where'd he end up? Ball stat So like that tells you 159 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:45.559 that he he was Like that's that's more so like the the the mac or 160 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:48.960 the Missouri Valley is more so his level. So I think, what you 161 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:52.039 like? I know we're not supposed to tamper, but like if I'm Mike 162 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:54.399 Woodson, I talked to some high school coaches and let him know, like, 163 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:58.080 hey, your boy signed with you know, Valpo, but I kind 164 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:01.320 of like him. Let's see what hen do, like do something like that. 165 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:03.679 And by the way, like that's just what happened last week with Trent 166 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:07.639 Noah at South Carolina. He knew that Kentucky may be interested, So what 167 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:11.799 did he do? Ask for a release from his letter of intent? Two 168 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:13.759 days later, maybe a day later, he ends up at Kentucky. So 169 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:18.440 the reason I really bring all this up is because I do agree for the 170 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:22.919 most part, like in you know, from what it's we're adjusting to this 171 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:26.840 new world with the portal, but leaving scholarships open his lame. Would you 172 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:30.000 agree, Yes, it's not a good look. He left one open last 173 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:33.879 year, but it But I think in this day and age, it is 174 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:37.440 understandable how that happens. I would agree with you. Now you can. 175 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:39.960 What you should do there is give it to a walk on. Did they 176 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:43.279 do that at all? I don't think they did last year, but that's 177 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:46.000 just weak. The pardicament they found themselves in last year with the open scholarship 178 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:50.080 is that Jakai Newton was injured, who was a freshman incoming freshman, and 179 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:54.639 so you technically had two open scholarships for the entire season. Then Xavier Johnson 180 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:58.759 gets hurt. You have three essentially three scholarships open for a good portion of 181 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:01.480 your season. And you saw how things went for the for Indiana last year 182 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:07.519 exactly. So you know, Louisville may leave a scholarship open, and if 183 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:09.759 they do, they'll probably give it to the walk on that they have. 184 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:13.720 Indiana may leave a scholarship op. But I just think like Cali Perry used 185 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:18.120 to do it, and to me it was legitimately like that's you not doing 186 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:20.480 your job, like that's that's what that looks like. But now it is 187 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:24.759 harder, like you're to truly fill it out. You're gonna have to maybe 188 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:28.039 go get a guy that, like you know, you don't want or need, 189 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:31.080 but hey, let's go fill it like I actually think it should be. 190 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:35.120 And that's like if they get the kid from from Hatton, the kid 191 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:37.320 from from from Bellerman, who'd be a good a nice addition for them, 192 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:43.879 just giving him more depth. I would expect them to give it to I 193 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:46.360 would want them to give it to a walk on rather than than than leave 194 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:50.320 it open. But it's like Dabos Sweeney, he doesn't use the portal. 195 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:56.399 Therefore, they're going to give all their scholarships to walk ons or they're going 196 00:12:56.480 --> 00:13:01.200 to have like twenty scholarships available. And I think you could you know, 197 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:03.879 I'm getting a little bit of ahead of myself here, but I think you 198 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:11.080 could legitimately make the case that that is somebody just kind of abandoning part of 199 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:13.360 their job duty. I mean, I know that's a hot take but like, 200 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:18.519 that's not crazy. If you bring in players and they choose to leave 201 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:22.000 and transfer and you don't go fill those spots, like that's kind of not 202 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:24.559 doing your job. It makes it I know, I said this a few 203 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:28.159 days ago. It makes it easier to be fired if you don't have better 204 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:31.480 seasons than the upcoming years. I know they haven't had terrible seasons Clemson, 205 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:33.960 but they've been kind of slowly taking steps backward over the past two or three 206 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:39.679 seasons. I feel like, and I remember Chris Mack told me this in 207 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:45.120 twenty twenty or twenty nineteen, whenever they had just brought in the top ten 208 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:48.879 class at that time, David Johnson, Sam Williams and those guys, you 209 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:52.200 know they in their next round. They were I mean, there were four 210 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:56.559 dudes they were in really good shape with and literally thought they had Luke Murray 211 00:13:56.600 --> 00:14:01.000 thought they had them, and jam and Breakfield ended up. Duke the kid 212 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:07.159 here locally that was playing at Spire Academy, ended up at Kansas, Caleb 213 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:11.000 Love ended up at North Carolina, and there was one other one. Oh, 214 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:15.399 Devin, ask you who, by the way, he's still available in 215 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:20.240 the portal. I think he ended up at Kentucky, and you know, 216 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:24.080 they lost four dudes. They thought they were in good shape with to Duke 217 00:14:24.159 --> 00:14:26.720 Carolina, Kentucky and Kansas, and like sounds like an excuse, but like 218 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:31.879 sometimes if you're in the trenches with those programs, you're gonna lose more than 219 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:35.799 you're gonna win. And I remember Mac told me we're not going to adjust 220 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:39.000 what we're gonna do because of that, and at that time I think it 221 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:45.639 made sense. Well, now you can because you know what, it's not 222 00:14:45.639 --> 00:14:48.759 a four year commitment and technically it's been a one year renewal every time you 223 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:50.080 have a scholarship, but like you know, your scholarship is a one year 224 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:54.840 renewal at the college level. But it was a different world. You just 225 00:14:54.919 --> 00:14:58.720 assumed, hey, I'm gonna take this kid who's a freshman who I know 226 00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:01.679 will not help me in a big until he's twenty years old, maybe the 227 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:05.360 end of his sophomore year, because that was how it works. Now it's 228 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:07.039 not like you can take a guy knowing, hey, if he doesn't work 229 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:11.960 out, he'll read the room and leave. So it's just different. It's 230 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:20.799 just different. And imagine if I mean I was about to take it, 231 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:24.440 take it take a turn down a dark path here, John, I'm gonna 232 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:28.360 try to I'm going to try to convey what I wanted to say, but 233 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:31.960 not really go all the way there. But like Canny Payn would probably still 234 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:35.799 be our coach if the Portal didn't exist, because he would have the excuse. 235 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:39.159 He would have kind of the tom creen excuse. I still choose to 236 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:41.879 believe. We'll never know, but I choose to believe that it was so 237 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:46.320 bad that it would not have mattered, and the toxicity was in the program, 238 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:50.039 the unprofessionalism, like it was so bad that you know, even if 239 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:54.639 none of these guys could have left, it's you know, you still would 240 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:56.360 have He still would have made You still would have been justified in making the 241 00:15:56.399 --> 00:16:00.879 decision because you're Louisville and he's that bad. But you're you're right, though 242 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:03.080 the excuse would have been there, like, Hey, what do you want 243 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:06.399 me to do? I can't get any players because of the cloud, and 244 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:08.919 I'm stuck with these guys because they can't leave and we need bodies. Like 245 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:15.399 the portal. I know some people don't like it, but Louisville recently, 246 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:18.799 like doesn't seem like you've really benefited from it because again we've were coming off 247 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:23.759 three years where Louisville basketball. I feel comfortable in saying this, and this 248 00:16:23.799 --> 00:16:27.840 is probably I mean, this is not a big bold thing to throw out 249 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:32.799 there. I'm thirty five. I hope to live three thousand years, but 250 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:34.480 I feel comfortable on however long I live, they'll never be a three year 251 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:37.440 stretch that just like the one that just happened at Louisville, because they'll just 252 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:44.240 never be that bad. But the portal existing led to you now being in 253 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:47.000 this position where you could easily move on from Kenny Payne. And now Pat 254 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:49.360 Kelsey has an eye, all money to use. He's got the brand of 255 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:52.039 Louisville, although it's not what it was, you know, five years ago, 256 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:56.200 and they put together a roster that it's not just Louisville fans, folks, 257 00:16:56.240 --> 00:17:00.360 it's those who cover college basketball. They're not throwing them in the top 258 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:03.480 twenty five or you know, putting them penciling them in as a second weekend 259 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:07.240 team just yet. But he's done a really good job with how he's put 260 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:11.079 these pieces together, and it gives you, I think, justification to be 261 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:15.519 super excited and think that you could be a tournament team in year one. 262 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:18.119 We'll never know right until we get there, and we got many months before 263 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:22.599 that happens. But it's like the portal, it's gonna hurt us at times, 264 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:26.720 right, it hasn't yet because the the in this world of the portal, 265 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:30.599 who's left Louisville that you're like, damn, like why we were rolling? 266 00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:33.200 We ain't been rolling, guys, We've been awful. So like even 267 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:37.279 good players that you like, with them leaving, you understand why you do 268 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:40.759 the same thing probably if it was you. So maybe Louisville will have a 269 00:17:40.759 --> 00:17:45.119 really good year and bring back a guy that was your fourth leading score putting 270 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:47.960 up nine a game, and you feel like he's about to elevate to a 271 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:49.400 bigger role the next year, Well maybe somebody comes in and says, look, 272 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:52.920 you're gonna be our guy. We'll give you you know, this amount 273 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:55.640 of money, Like that's just what it is now. It's so much more 274 00:17:55.680 --> 00:18:00.039 transactional than it's ever been. But we're here to say this because again, 275 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:04.759 Louisville has no results as far as like what matters in recent years that I 276 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:10.359 would feel anything other than disgusted about. But because we're in this new world 277 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:14.599 you can now, Like last year, I never thought it for a second 278 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:18.279 Louisville would be good because of who was leading the program. But can he 279 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:22.720 put together on paper a top five, top three class depending on where you 280 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:26.160 look, Trey White, sky Clark, those were guys in the portal that, 281 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:30.559 like other schools wanted. So I'm pro portal, folks, I'm pro 282 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:33.880 portal. All right, quick break, we'll come back on the other side. 283 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:36.920 Keep this thing rolling along. You think could we be on commitment watch 284 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:40.319 for the kid from Bellarne for Indiana? Yeah you think, I hope so? 285 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:44.000 Would that be the first time? It's actually no, You guys have 286 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:47.880 landed some commits during the show, right, Ballow was the same day as 287 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:51.440 a show, but it wasn't during the show. Yeah? Is it Balla 288 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:52.680 or Ballow? I think you're saying it more? Pretty sure. I know 289 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:56.799 it's Umar. I've heard enough people around Indiana say Umar now, but I 290 00:18:56.839 --> 00:18:59.839 believe it's Umar Balow. He still got a big bag from Indiana, which 291 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:02.240 you know, if the market's what we think it is, he's worth it. 292 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:04.920 He's a really good player. But man, when you commit early in 293 00:19:04.960 --> 00:19:08.319 this in this stuff, you just you get kind enough forgotten about, like 294 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:11.839 nobody like doesn't remember you. But he was the first big name, oh 295 00:19:11.920 --> 00:19:15.319 yeah, no doubt. And Indiana added like three more big ones after that. 296 00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:19.000 All Right, so it sounds like there's some uh, some confusion on 297 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:22.519 who Kentucky. I mean, well, I think we know who Kentucky's all 298 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:23.480 in on right now, the kid from North Florida. But I think there's 299 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:26.319 been some confusion as far as Okay, is he visiting is he not? 300 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:30.759 And that would be a good get for Mark Poe. But just like everybody 301 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:33.839 else, if you've got, you know, some spots open and you feel 302 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:37.480 like you really need to add some umph to your roster, there aren't that 303 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:41.119 many guys left. I don't go anywhere. It's coffee and Company. We 304 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:45.400 are feel about Thornton's right here on Sports Talk seven ninety. Where are you 305 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:49.400 getting this weezf Baby John? Because I mean there's no way you remember this 306 00:19:49.480 --> 00:19:53.079 song, right. No, Lil Wayne was a big deal from the end 307 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:59.720 of the mill is a big deal. He's your mouth. Oh he's a 308 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:04.960 he's a legend. He ruled the lead two thousands, early twenty tens. 309 00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:10.599 Doesn't mean he's irrelevant. He's an all time legend. I you know, 310 00:20:10.839 --> 00:20:14.839 I know people like go back to Tupac or Biggie and they were great. 311 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:18.240 But you know, I can't claim like I was, you know, really 312 00:20:18.279 --> 00:20:22.200 uh you know, into the hip hop scene when they were in their prime, 313 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:25.480 because I was like, you know, four years old or something. 314 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:30.640 But everybody loves jay Z. I think jay Z's fine. I don't think 315 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:33.880 he's just not my cup of tea as much people think he's like the greatest 316 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:38.599 of all time. I think Lil Wayne is is in that in that category 317 00:20:38.799 --> 00:20:41.839 because he's in you're he doesn't do as much now, I mean because he 318 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:45.799 doesn't need to. But I feel like he used to be featured in every 319 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:49.119 topty song. No he what he would do. I mean he he was 320 00:20:49.119 --> 00:20:53.319 featured in a lot of stuff, but uh, you know his mixtapes, 321 00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:59.599 which I mean he couldn't generate. He would take songs and take the instrumental, 322 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:02.400 take the eat of it, and do a whole mixtape where he just 323 00:21:02.480 --> 00:21:06.160 does a little he just you know, doesn't even put a chorus on it, 324 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:08.799 just does the song just straight, you know, not a freestyle, 325 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:14.759 but just you know, do you know what Little Wayne does? And unfortunately, 326 00:21:14.839 --> 00:21:17.920 like if he got a hold of your song, it would be remembered 327 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:19.599 as his more than yours, just because that's what he did. I mean, 328 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:26.799 he's and obviously he's from Louisiana, from New Orleans. And when I 329 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:29.759 went away to school at Saint Catherine College at that time, I mean I 330 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:33.160 already knew who Olawayne was. He was clearly a you know, probably at 331 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:37.400 that time two thousand and six. I mean that song you just played, 332 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:40.000 I think is from I think it came out my senior year maybe, But 333 00:21:40.079 --> 00:21:41.799 anyways, like I knew who he was. But there were a bunch of 334 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:45.119 guys on our team at Saint Catherine College from New Orleans, and it was 335 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:48.400 guys who did not get to finish high school so they had to go to 336 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:52.359 Juco route because of Hurricane Katrina. So my roommate Rashad, you know, 337 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:57.000 all he had playing at all times, all hours of the night and day 338 00:21:57.680 --> 00:22:02.240 was a bunch of old Wayne mixed tapes that I wasn't exposed to yet. 339 00:22:02.279 --> 00:22:04.960 And like it just because I got hooked at that point, and like he 340 00:22:06.119 --> 00:22:07.880 was God to them because he's you know, they're from they're from New Orleans 341 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:10.720 as well, and he was at that time. I feel like it is 342 00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:14.039 when he's really kind of emerging as like not just the dude who used to 343 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:17.720 always just be with Birdman and cash Money, Like he became like a star 344 00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:21.640 himself. So, uh, that song there. We warmed up to that 345 00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:23.960 song, oh yeah, in in my senior year of high school. So 346 00:22:25.279 --> 00:22:26.519 I appreciate you playing You didn't know that. I didn't know that, but 347 00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:30.480 I'm glad you played that. And let's keep the disrespectful Lil Wayne in a 348 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:33.039 minimum here, And you didn't just you didn't disrespect him, but like you 349 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:34.880 know, it makes total sense. It's one of those things where I got 350 00:22:34.960 --> 00:22:37.759 to I got to come to grips with the fact that, like, yeah, 351 00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:40.920 Lil Wayne, you view him differently than than than I do, because 352 00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:44.160 you know, you're a lot younger than me. Will you quit being so 353 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:45.559 much younger than me, Like get it together, dude, Like, hey, 354 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:49.559 at least Wayne at least very familiar. Actually it's a good Like how 355 00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:52.559 many people do you think, like wouldn't know who that is? I bet 356 00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:56.200 most of the gen z like high school kids know who he is, right, 357 00:22:56.240 --> 00:23:00.440 they probably see him as like a legend, like you said, Yeah, 358 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:03.759 they probably don't listen to him. Nowadays. My guess something that I 359 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:11.200 find to be entertaining on TikTok is the high schools or maybe even middle schools. 360 00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:15.599 There are and I'll show you when John Jess you see, you know 361 00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:17.519 what I'm talking about, and I'm gonna try my best to describe it. 362 00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:21.720 And I'm sure some of you probably have seen it. But a teacher will 363 00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:23.799 walk up to like eight to ten different people within the school. It could 364 00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:26.640 be somebody that's like a senior in high school, junior in high school. 365 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:30.359 It could be somebody that's a teacher that's older, could be somebody that's a 366 00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:33.240 teacher that is younger, and they'll say, like the first five lyrics of 367 00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:37.240 like a really popular song in a certain era, like you know, for 368 00:23:37.279 --> 00:23:42.039 example, I'm I'm gonna test you, and again, if you get this 369 00:23:42.119 --> 00:23:47.400 wrong, it's totally understandable because of your age. What did Master P make 370 00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:51.839 him say? I don't know what he made him say. He made him 371 00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:53.799 say uh, And then I just say say, oh, no, no, 372 00:23:55.039 --> 00:23:56.559 and you have no clue what I'm talking about. Right, So yeah, 373 00:23:56.599 --> 00:24:00.880 So like people my age are older would know that if you are probably 374 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:07.799 fifty plus, you may not know that, like it's a you know that 375 00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:11.680 people that are you know, around my age or maybe ten fifteen years older. 376 00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:14.240 But other than that, like it would he would be understandable if you're 377 00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:18.799 like sixteen, you don't know what that is. And they ask certain students 378 00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:19.640 and like a lot of them don't know. But then you'll go to the 379 00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:25.319 you like, there are younger teachers, you know. I mean, like 380 00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:27.079 you know, probably like your wife's a teacher, right, she's close to 381 00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:30.160 your age, right, same age, same age, Yeah, so you 382 00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:33.480 know she wouldn't know that either. And that's where I'm like, holy crap, 383 00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:37.640 Like these are people teaching, and a lot of the comments say the 384 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:41.920 same thing, and it's so true. It's like, holy crap, we're 385 00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:45.359 the adults now, like we mess we're we are the old like we're the 386 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:48.720 people who like we like that's to us, that's still like music we would 387 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:52.519 listen to in the gym if we're getting ready to go, you know, 388 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:55.200 have a wild night and go to the bar. We might play this music 389 00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:59.519 because it's it's our era, right, But the younger people wouldn't even know 390 00:24:59.559 --> 00:25:03.240 what the hell talking about or what it is. They're into the dua Lipa 391 00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:04.799 and yeah, Billie Eilish. I don't even know who Dua Lipa is, 392 00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:08.720 but you know Billy Eilish, right, yeah, girl right? Yes, 393 00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:14.000 yeah, and she's kind of like indie pop. Yeah. But Olivia Rodrigo, 394 00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:17.079 it's another upcoming pop star. I've heard that name, but I couldn't 395 00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:19.880 tell you a single thing. So anyways, shout out to Lil Wayne, 396 00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:22.920 all right if you are just not joining us. Another one came in for 397 00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:26.640 Pat Kelsey on his birthday, and some have asked me how old he is. 398 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:29.440 I don't know. I could easily look it up, but I don't 399 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:30.559 have it in front of me right now. I'm gonna guess that Pat Kelsey 400 00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:37.359 is. I'm gonna guess he's mid forties, just to guess forty eight. 401 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:40.680 Okay, a little older than I thought, but ye, Happy birthday, 402 00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:44.279 Pat Kelsey. He landed Kahani Ruth's The four Star, top forty, top 403 00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:45.759 thirty, depending on where you look. The freshman who was previously committed to 404 00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:53.960 Juwan Howard and obviously decided to reopen his commitment once that once that firing happened 405 00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:56.319 of Juwan Howard, and I don't really know of a lot of the I 406 00:25:56.319 --> 00:26:00.240 know Dusty May was still trying to get him, and I know George Jim 407 00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:04.079 made a late push, but also it came down. You know, Louisville 408 00:26:04.119 --> 00:26:07.680 looked like they were in good shape. They brought him in for an official 409 00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:10.160 visit, and sure enough, two days after or three days after the visit 410 00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:12.960 ended, he decided to commit. Which it is wild, and I'm not 411 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:18.880 knocking anybody. I love that we are this excited and there's so much anticipation. 412 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:23.559 I love it. But because he hadn't committed by Tuesday after his visit 413 00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:30.039 over the weekend, like there were some people like, well guess we guess 414 00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:32.559 we messed that up or whatever it may be. And that's just to me, 415 00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:36.279 that's crazy. But I like when we are crazy, because again, 416 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:45.160 we have never been so desperate and just starved for Louisville basketball to have success. 417 00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:48.160 And I think Pat Kelsey right now has given us a really good reason 418 00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:52.279 to believe that there's gonna be some success in year one. And I'm not 419 00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:53.519 talking about being better than Kenny Payne. I'm talking about, you know, 420 00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:59.160 competitive in your league, fighting for a spot on the tournament and maybe more. 421 00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:02.680 I don't think that that's out of line. I don't think that's unfair 422 00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:07.720 to throw that out there, And I know Pat Kelsey wouldn't want anybody to 423 00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:10.799 like, hmmm, it'd be a pretty good year if they could sniff the 424 00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:12.119 bubble. No, he wants to win, like that's what he's driven to 425 00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:14.960 do, and that's what he does. He's done it everywhere he's been. 426 00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:18.079 You know, can he do it here? Only time will tell. But 427 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:21.240 there's certainly a lot to like at this point. I'll tell you what I 428 00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:25.119 don't like. Jim Phillips, so I mentioned earlier, Jim Phillips. You 429 00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:26.480 know, he kind of sucks. He's the leader of the ACC. The 430 00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:30.720 ACC needs great leadership right now. Anytime this guy talks, I feel less 431 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:37.240 confident that the ACC is going to survive, and that's unfortunate. Now, 432 00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:41.720 some of it is not really his doing. And Florida State and Clemson leaving 433 00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:45.559 and wanting to leave, that's not really his fault either, right, Like 434 00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:52.000 he inherited the ACC having this crazy awful scenario that Swafford left them with where 435 00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:56.400 they're locked into their grant of rights and no revenue added. From twenty sixteen 436 00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:00.920 to twenty twenty thirty six, every other league. It's been like five six 437 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:03.960 years max. And then you reset and then you you know, renegotiate it 438 00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:06.359 and at that point, you know, times have changed, right, cost 439 00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:08.759 of living is different, more money is available in the TV market, so 440 00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:14.640 some of it is not as doing. But man, anytime I hear him 441 00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:17.519 talk, I feel again like he just doesn't. He doesn't seem like somebody 442 00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:19.519 that's really got a play in and how to fix this And maybe again it's 443 00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:23.640 unfixable because I can't tell you what he should be doing, but I just 444 00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:27.559 know the when I hear him, and you know, I hear of things 445 00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:30.359 that they're doing at these ACC Spring meetings, I'm thinking, like, get 446 00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:33.559 this guy out of here. At least give somebody else a fighting chance to 447 00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:36.519 save this league, because I don't because one thing I do feel comfortable in 448 00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:38.880 saying is he's not going to be the guy to do it. So we'll 449 00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:45.640 start with this yesterday at the ACC Spring meetings, the basketball coaches that were 450 00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:48.759 there. Let me see if I can pull up the actual details here, 451 00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:52.759 because I don't. I don't want to get it wrong. But let's see 452 00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:59.279 here. Yeah, so this is from this is from let's see Andrew Carter 453 00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:03.240 who is a writer for the News Observer in the Uh. Yeah, the 454 00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:08.720 News and Observer in the I guess the Carolina area covering the ACC, he 455 00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:12.880 says yesterday, And he prefaced it by letting everybody know this is not a 456 00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:18.000 joke, but he says. ACC men's basketball coach has heard from ESPN bracketologist 457 00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:22.839 Joelnardi at spring meetings today about how the league can get more teams in the 458 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:27.519 NSAA tournament. Lenardi was invited as a guest here to give a talk by 459 00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:33.000 commissioner Jim Phillips. What is the purpose of that? Have you heard that 460 00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:37.200 yet? John? No, that's first I'm hearing that. That seems very 461 00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:41.880 still elaborate. Yeah, I mean he's not the guy who puts the plague 462 00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:48.720 together. He does not determine who makes the NCAA tournament. He has no 463 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:52.000 say so he cannot. I mean it's pretty easy too, by the way, 464 00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:56.799 Like, don't lose to teams in November and December that teams have never 465 00:29:56.839 --> 00:30:00.359 heard of, because that that is a big factor, right, Like you 466 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:04.039 can't beat up on each other in the ACC when you've lost to you know, 467 00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:08.799 Popcorn State in a neutral site game in December, like and claim, 468 00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:11.920 what are you going to do? This league is so good. I actually 469 00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:17.559 give credit to the Big twelve. They doctored the system. They played bums 470 00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:21.319 in the non conference and then they beat up on each other and they would 471 00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:23.440 get the benefit of the doubt, and it actually manipulated the net because they 472 00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:27.279 played teams they're so bad they beat them by forty and it benefits them. 473 00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:33.240 You know, the ACC. Not everybody in the league is out there, 474 00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:36.839 you know, putting together a really competitive schedule. In fact, some some 475 00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:42.119 teams don't do that at all. But you know, have some notable opponents 476 00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:47.160 on your non conference, be competitive and beat a couple of them if you 477 00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:49.200 want to make the tournament, and then don't lose to the teams that are 478 00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:52.759 you know, quad three losses. Like you know, don't you need Jolin 479 00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:56.079 already to tell us that, Like it just to me, it screams, 480 00:30:56.359 --> 00:31:02.880 oh my god, Commissioner of the ACC, think that Joeln already left these 481 00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:06.240 teams at home, Like what a dumbass? Like what what is the point 482 00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.640 of that? It's so stupid. It's kind of cringey getting so hot. 483 00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:12.680 I don't know, but it's just just lame, Like it's just stupid reminds 484 00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:15.240 me of this, by the way, Oh boy, yeah, do you 485 00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.559 know who I was? Mickey Mouse? Yeah, Mickey Mouse. I still 486 00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:21.559 I wish I remembered the context of that. I think we talked about it. 487 00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:23.559 I don't know where that. I don't know why that happened. Oh 488 00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:27.480 you need is a little magic that sounds doctored. But I guess that is 489 00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:30.799 my voice. It sounds like somebody did some medity, some post production on 490 00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.200 that voice. I've always wanted a reason to play that. No I do, 491 00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:36.519 so you know, I don't. Yeah, I don't know why. 492 00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:38.480 You know, I don't know why they did that. But it just it's 493 00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:41.640 just a bad It's not hard, it's it's horrible, it's but it's just 494 00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:47.359 a stupid look like And again that's the reason that the the reporter that is 495 00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:49.599 they're covering these meetings had to let people know I'm being serious, I'm not 496 00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:55.680 joking. This happened like it's just so stupid. Also, just don't say 497 00:31:55.720 --> 00:32:00.440 things to make it look like you're inept and you don't really know what's going 498 00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:05.680 like you don't even know what like what's going on. And that was the 499 00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:10.599 addition. So SMU and Callan stand for those are the three teams joining the 500 00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:16.079 ACC. So SMU officially joins the league on July first. Callen Stanford don't 501 00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:23.440 officially join until August the second. Like I would be willing to bet that 502 00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:29.000 it could just be somewhat of like a contract situation with their previous league, 503 00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:32.559 right, Like that's probably what it is. So on the record, podium 504 00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:36.079 or maybe not podium, but like you know, whatever they're doing there, 505 00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:37.319 like he went on. I know he went on the ACC network and talked 506 00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:43.400 to Andrew Aedelson and talked about Florida state snub last year and all that, 507 00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:46.440 But this was something a lot of people shared as a quote, So I'm 508 00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:50.000 assuming it's not like an exclusive interview, like he was probably doing like a 509 00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:53.279 media scrum, answering questions from people. And his answer was, I have 510 00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:59.039 no idea why. I guess it happens, like you should know why, 511 00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:00.519 like you should know why, I you know, and you can blame it 512 00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:02.559 on the other league. But like to just be all, I have no 513 00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:07.599 clue. I don't know why happens. Like what it goes back to me 514 00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:13.000 sitting there at the ACC media days in whatever it was he was introducing and 515 00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:15.480 he became the new guy, took over for Swofford, and it wasn't as 516 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:19.160 if he said anything outlandish that I'm like, wow, I can't believe he 517 00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:22.160 said that. But it's like how you like, you just don't give off 518 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:27.640 any any type of vibe that you are somebody that's got your crap together and 519 00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:30.279 you're gonna get this thing figured out. Because, make no mistake about it, 520 00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:35.559 the league is in trouble now. I can't present like a great solution, 521 00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:44.640 but it's in trouble. And I think the only scenario where and you're 522 00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:46.680 already losing Clemson in Florida State, at least they're trying to leave, and 523 00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:51.480 I can at least give them some credit for like not like not living in 524 00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:54.160 this fake world of like, oh, everything's okay, we're all in this 525 00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:58.440 together, because everybody would leave if they could get out if they had a 526 00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:00.799 landing spot. Of course, there's certain school like that, no matter what 527 00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:05.160 if Boston, if the ACC just goes away like Boston College screwed, wait 528 00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:10.920 for it, screwed. So the only scenario where you could in fact potentially 529 00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:16.159 ride through this and get everybody back together isn't is if in fact there was 530 00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:21.679 a collective buy in to say, look, it's all beneficial for everybody. 531 00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:25.039 If we stick together, we become a better league by winning, and then 532 00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:31.039 whenever the new deal is up for negotiation, we can ask for more money. 533 00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:35.639 But they're not going to do that if they keep having this guy lead 534 00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:37.159 it, because there's no reason to feel like he's going to get it worked 535 00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:40.719 out. And I don't blame him. I can't sit here and tell you 536 00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:44.679 that the reason Florida State decided to, you know, take the gloves off 537 00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:46.320 and say, look, we're final lawsuit. This granted rights is bs where 538 00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:50.119 we want to leave Clemson to the same thing. I can't say that they 539 00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:53.119 did that because they heard Swafford and felt like he's, you know, a 540 00:34:53.239 --> 00:35:00.760 sackless leader. But it certainly can't. I mean, it certainly didn't help 541 00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:07.559 their the you know, the probability of them wanting to stick around. And 542 00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:13.119 it is weird, like and this is something that just sounds like silly, 543 00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:17.880 but I get why it's being reported. With the lawsuits going on and with 544 00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:23.639 both schools wanting out, they did have to report that because of this, 545 00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:29.679 Like it was like a newsworthy thing that despite the situation legally, Clemson and 546 00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:34.320 Florida State representatives were allowed to be present during all meetings and all conversations, 547 00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:36.440 which I would think, well, of course they will. But then again, 548 00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:37.639 like if you're suing and you're trying to leave, like I think the 549 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:42.480 ACC would actually have the right to tell you like no, like why would 550 00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:45.320 we You're you're gonna be leaving. Why would we talk about very important things 551 00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:49.199 that like you know, won't pertain to you when and you're gonna be competition 552 00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:52.039 essentially if you land in the big ten of the SEC. But I'd say 553 00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:54.559 the reason they're letting them do it is because it really isn't any in everybody's 554 00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:58.880 best interest in the league if Clemson in Florida State don't win this and they 555 00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:04.199 have to stick around. But we'll see. I mean, everybody who you 556 00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:08.000 know has some type of illegal background that has provided commentary on this whole situation, 557 00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:10.320 I've not heard any of them, and I can't you know, sit 558 00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:14.559 any of them. But like those who have actually got a look at the 559 00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:19.119 grain of rights, like they're screwed, like you signed it, like you 560 00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:22.480 you you knew what you were doing when you signed it, and now you 561 00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:25.800 have remort you have buyer's remorse, and like a contract's a contract for a 562 00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:29.599 reason. All right, quick break will come back on the other side, 563 00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:32.000 wrap up the four o'clock hour. I feel like I'm really like animated right 564 00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:35.840 now. I don't know why. What do you think's gotten into me? 565 00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:37.559 I don't know what it is? Sometimes it just happened, Like, yeah, 566 00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:39.760 you would think I would like I don't hate Jim Phillips. I just 567 00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:42.760 think he's lousy. But like I just I don't know. I feel like 568 00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:46.760 I need a cigarette or something. Don't go anywhere. All right, So 569 00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:51.320 we've got some some recommendations here on some other songs. I should start with 570 00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:54.840 like the like the first part of the chorus and see if you can finish 571 00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:58.239 the song. There's no like this is the one that I feel like you 572 00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:00.920 have a better chance of getting than the last one. Okay, but if 573 00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:06.400 you get it wrong, like it's also understandable. Who did Outcast apologize to? 574 00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:09.599 Who did they apologize to? Is this from hey, y'all? Or 575 00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:13.440 is this from you haven't? I don't know who the I don't know who 576 00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:16.280 they apologized to. They said I'm sorry. Who do they say they're sorry 577 00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:22.440 to? Outcast? I don't know miss Jackson. Miss Jackson, see I'm 578 00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:24.519 familiar with the song. Sorry, miss Jackson, I am for real, 579 00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:28.719 never you know, not coming to you. I know the song, Okay, 580 00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:30.199 so like you know what song I'm talking about. I'm not very good 581 00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:32.440 with lyrics, especially well no, no, no, no, like it's 582 00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:36.880 I mean that would make like that song came out when I was in seventh 583 00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:40.639 grade. So how were you seventh What year was that seventh grade? I 584 00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:45.239 probably would have probably like probably would have been like right around two thousand is 585 00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:49.480 even three? Yeah, Like it makes total sense. But people my age 586 00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:52.480 hear that and think like, initially, how do you not know that song? 587 00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:53.199 That's not that old? When you think like, oh wow, it 588 00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:55.079 is old, that was the song. Then it went to when it's a 589 00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:58.960 big hit though, you think it's just timeless and that everybody should have been 590 00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:01.199 nearly heard it. But I've not heard enough to wreck it. And I 591 00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:05.119 feel like the other song which play it, play it after the next break 592 00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:08.719 the master p. So for those who do, how do we even get 593 00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:14.519 on that? Like I played Lil Wayne Yeah, so yeah, so I 594 00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:16.519 reference like these tiktoks that I find to be funny, but also just to 595 00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:20.480 make me feel old is where these people that are in school, they'll they'll 596 00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:22.719 go up and ask, like, you know, young teachers the same thing 597 00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:25.079 out as David John, and like they won't get it, and you'll think, 598 00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:28.719 like wow, like how do you not know that? And it's because 599 00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:31.559 they're probably John's ads are younger to like if they heard the song, they 600 00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:35.440 know it. But just by referencing that like someone my age, it's a 601 00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:38.559 no brainer. But like you know, the repetition of that song being played 602 00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:42.280 over and over, like is not there with you because you were young? 603 00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:44.519 Give me one more. I gotta I feel like I can get it all. 604 00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:46.280 I'll think of another one, okay, because the ones that people sin 605 00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:50.639 in like there's one I don't even know what they're talking about. But I 606 00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:53.000 like that you will enjoy the challenge. But uh yeah, all right, 607 00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:55.519 so real quick before we hit to the top of the hour, some more 608 00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:59.360 from the ACC meetings. A really good write up that I just tried to 609 00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:01.159 read the majority of it there during the break from Bret McMurphy of The Action 610 00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:05.800 Network, and he prefaced the tweet by saying, last year it was the 611 00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:09.039 Magnificent seven for the ACC you guys remember that there was the Magnificent Seven that 612 00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:13.679 were you know, I guess like banding together to try to you know, 613 00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:16.119 get out of the league or something. This year, it's just the lawsuits. 614 00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:20.719 And he says from Double Trouble, which again, that's your two bigger 615 00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:22.360 brands in the league that you would want to maintain. You want to keep 616 00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:25.519 Florida StatET and Clemson are both suing you, and they and they won out 617 00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:29.880 of the league. But and this is this goes back to what I just 618 00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:35.199 mentioned a moment ago. There's zero incentive for the ACC to settle. I 619 00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:37.679 mean, and why would they, Like they could get a lot of money, 620 00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:39.320 but that would just be like, you know, to leave in the 621 00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:42.239 will for the rest of the league. It would kill it. If you 622 00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:45.599 let them leave, you are killing the ACC because you cannot There is not 623 00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:50.480 anywhere close to a valid replacement for either of those teams. So I know 624 00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:52.199 they won out, and I get it. If Louisville could get out and 625 00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:57.559 go to the Big ten of the SEC, I mean it, it'd be 626 00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:00.320 weird initially, but if it's for if it's for the benefit of like the 627 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:02.719 longevity of the program, then yeah, you would do it. You got 628 00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:06.239 to look at it, and it's it's all about survival. At this point, 629 00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:08.559 the power five is no longer the power five in football because the Pac 630 00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:15.000 twelve is dead. So as much as it'll be awkward, they don't need 631 00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:16.159 to settle, they need to keep them here and make sure that like, 632 00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:21.079 because the best case scenario for everybody involved is that they do in fact stick 633 00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:24.239 together and they improve their value by being better. And I don't really know 634 00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:32.559 how you you know, there's nobody adding the two California schools Stanford and Cal 635 00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:37.920 and SMU. It puts you in market you aren't end But as far as 636 00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:40.880 like a television market bump, you're not really getting it. Like you can 637 00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:45.679 claim that you are in those areas, but like it's not going to lead 638 00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:52.760 to Okay, now you're gonna get a forty percent increase. So as far 639 00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.320 as just survival of the league, there is no benefit at all to let 640 00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:59.639 these two schools out of their deal. Like, don't settle, right because 641 00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:02.039 whatever the whatever it is, however many millions it is, if you took 642 00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:05.400 like eighty percent of it and let them walk, Like, yeah, that'd 643 00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:07.519 be a lot of money, but again it would to me, it would 644 00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:10.519 be the death nail of the league. And there's because of how the game 645 00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:15.280 of musical chairs has played out here in conference re alignment in recent years, 646 00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:21.800 with Oregon and Washington going to the Big Ten, with the Big Twelve benefiting 647 00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:25.039 from a lot of the leftovers in the PAC twelve, Oklahoma Texas obviously going 648 00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:29.679 to the SEC. Like, if you lose your top dogs there, you're 649 00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:37.880 not replacing them with anything close to what you are losing. And I don't 650 00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:38.800 know if we're gonna get to it, because it depends on where the five 651 00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:45.800 o'clock hour takes us. But Devil Sweeney asked about the transfer portal, and 652 00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:49.079 you know how he doesn't use it, and his response was very typical dabble, 653 00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:51.639 like it's not gonna surprise you when you hear it. But I want 654 00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:53.960 to ask this question. I feel like any other coach in the country if 655 00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:58.320 they were to take this approach and say what he said, their fans would 656 00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:02.360 be all over since weird man, it's like a cold or something. They 657 00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:06.599 do weird stuff. The Clemson I think, all right, don't go anywhere. 658 00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:07.920 One more hour left right here. Coffee and Company. 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