The idea that conspiracies can't exist is a ridiculous thing. I participated in a
worldwide conspiracy to convert the entire world to Evangelical Christianity. And like I said,
you don't need micromanaged levels, and you don't have to imagine some person
sitting at the top twirling their mustache, you know, and directing everybody at
every level for this to happen. You just need common attention, you know,
a common implicit and sometimes explicit recognition that we have something in common,
a goal in common. This is Jonathan Peshel, Welcome to the symbolic world.
So for those of you who have seen I put out a video with
Mary Harrington talking about the often mythological imaging of conspiracy theory and how we can
often see through some of the fairy tale motifs or some of the story motifs
that you find in the conspiracy theories to find a nugget hidden behind it which
can help us understand what is happening in the world. That it's not completely
arbitrary. The way that these stories show up and how they do manifest a
deep distrust for the authorities, and they also often manifest some aspects of how
that distrust based in actions that the elites or the governments have on us contain
patterns of truth in them. But I also wanted to be careful that people
don't think that conspiracies are impossible, because there is a very strange moment right
now in culture where it becomes almost impossible to ide identify someone acting against us,
and as soon as we do, we are accused of being a conspiracy
theorist. In some ways, the word conspiracy theorist has become a slander that
we give to anybody who seems to suspect the official narrative, that suspects what
the governments are telling us, And so the word conspiracy theorist has become a
propaganda tool for people in power to prevent us from noticing when some of the
actions that are being taken against us don't seem to be in our best interest.
Let's say we saw a lot of that happen during the COVID era,
and we're going to see a lot more of it come downstream for us.
My own Prime minister keeps using the words misinformation disinformation to basically tag on any
narrative that he disagrees with. Politically, these are very dangerous times when we
see this happening. And so I just want to point to you to my
brother Matsieur Paget on Twitter. He has been doing what I can only say
is an amazing job at let's say, analyzing and looking at the mechanisms by
which we've come to think this way and by which we've come it's become impossible
for us to identify, let's say, when the system is rotten and when
there's action against us, when enemy is acting against us from within the system,
and he really breaks it down. So it's very much worth following him
and looking at his different threads on Twitter to see how it is that this
has captured us. But what I wanted to talk about today is mostly to
help people understand how conspiracies are often around us, how we participate in them,
and how other people participate in conspiracies, and that although we do that
all the time, we are now told that it is impossible for these things
to exist. And so I, for example, grew up in an Evangelical
church. I grew up in a Protestant environment, and I participated in what
can only be called a worldwide conspiracy, you know, in the churches that
I grew up with, especially, there was a conspiracy to convert all human
beings on the earth to not only Christianity, but to my very specific version
of Christianity. And this was both explicit and implicit within the structure that I
had. It was both centralized and decentralized, which means that there didn't have
to be strict relationships between all the different churches for that conspiracy to take effect.
But we all knew that this is one of the goals that we had
as churches, our own church and churches that we didn't know about and people
that we didn't know about, and sometimes it would manifest itself centrally. That
mean that there would be people in power, certain evangelists or certain pastors that
were you know, considered revered or having influence, even though they didn't have
a strict, you know, micromanaged relationship. It didn't have to be like
an organization that is completely organized all the way through, but it was people
that had influence and that we all recognize as having some kind of authority would
give directions, you know, how to evangelize movements and evangelization different ways of
doing it, and then that would trickle down in the churches, so that
it would affect the way that we did our evangelization, the way that we
recognize how important it was at different moments, with the waves of how important
it was. And so this was something that I participated in. And so
the idea that conspiracies can't exist is a ridiculous thing. I participated in a
worldwide conspiracy to convert the entire world to evangelical Christianity. And like I said,
you don't need micromanaged levels, and you don't have to imagine some person
sitting at the top twirling their mustache, you know, and directing everybody at
every level for this to happen. You just need common attention, you know,
a common implicit and sometimes explicit recognition that we have something in common,
a goal in common, and then people end up helping each other, working
together, working decentralized and centralized towards the manifestation of that of that you know,
that worldwide conspiracy. And you know, and so when we recognize,
for example, in the Rainbow Coalition, a conspiracy to affect the world,
and we're told that that is impossible, and it's ridiculous to state that.
Obviously, it's a conspiracy, of course, it's a conspiracy. It's a
conspiracy of people that are both centralized and decentralized that recognize a goal, which
is to get everybody to accept their own position, and they act in the
world. They have agents in the world, you know, and so they
try to infiltrate different organizations, just like Christians do that too. They don't
do it out of weird mischievous and like you know, whispering behind doors.
You know, it's like, we want people that agree with us to be
part of the institutions around us and influencing those institutions towards the goals that we
think are important. And that is true of the Rainbow Coalition, and it's
true of Islam, and it's true of you know, different uh interest groups
in the world and different organizations that are sometimes centralized and like I said,
sometimes decentralized. This year we saw the advent of the Progress Pride flag,
and so all of a sudden, everywhere in the world the Pride flag got
switched to this new Progress flag, and so that is called the conspiracy.
That is a network of people that have all agreed to do something in unison.
You know, this isn't a government. This isn't like people that were
elected for it to happen. It was a It was a concentrated effort of
an organ of a of a let's say, of a series of people related
to each other that all agree to do something in unison. And it's not
like it doesn't have to be a totally top down thing. Sometimes it can
just be everybody knows where to look, and when something changes in that direction,
then everybody aligns themselves with that change without receiving orders, without receiving some
like explicit orders from the top down all the way to them. And so
that is very important to understand. And so we have to be able to
break like this is what Mattsiir has been trying to help people do, is
like to break a kind of spell on us where we you know, it
is impossible for us to notice that these patterns of aggression or these these patterns
of organized intention appear in the world because the media and the governments are telling
us that as soon as we notice that that it is a wild conspiracy.
And so it's the same with things like the WF or globalist organizations. Those
globalist organizations, they have a conspiracy. It's called twenty thirty, you know.
And in twenty thirty, they have goal that they want to reach,
and they are organizing people that agree with them, both explicitly and implicitly,
in order to bring about those goals. And so opportunities, any opportunity is
good to bring about that goal, and so people activate themselves at different levels
of this conspiracy in order for that to happen. And so when we notice
it happening in the world, then we call it out and we're told that
we're conspiracy theorists. This is just part This is in some ways a weapon
of the conspiracy in order to prevent us to stand in the way, in
order to prevent us from not wanting it to happen. And so we have
to we really have to break that way of thinking. And it's interesting because
my brother Metsyr for a few years now, he's been telling me, Jonathan,
you need to talk about this, you need to talk about this,
and I didn't see the way to do it, Like I just didn't see
the way to do it. And so he decided to do it on his
own, to go out on Twitter and to start breaking down how this works.
And it helped me because I'm like, oh, this, this is
the way we can talk about this so that it makes sense. And there
is a relationship ultimately between that and symbolism, because there is another way in
which you can understand that centralized activity can happen without what people imagine to be
this insanely detailed top down agreement on everything. Think about any type of hierarchy.
You know, the way a hierarchy works isn't through this like explicit top
down thing. There is a top down structure that moves all the way down,
but in some ways, the people that are at different levels of the
structure, they don't have to transparently know what is completely above them. In
some ways, what is above them can remain opaque and all they need is
an incentive to do the thing at the level that they are. So think
about a soldier digging trenches during a war. That soldier does not need to
know what the general's strategy for winning a certain fight is. You know,
he has to be vaguely aware that they are that they want to win the
war. He has to have like at least some direction, but he doesn't
need to know all the plans coming down all the way to him. You
know, he just needs his commander to tell him to dig the trenches,
and he just needs enough trust and enough incentive at his level to do that.
So that is also true of any type of directed, centralized, you
know action in the world. People just need to have advantage at their level
in order to do that. So think about you know, a lot of
what people said were the COVID During COVID, we saw a lot of this
type of action, which was that the doctors didn't have to be part of
some crazy conspiracy about COVID in order to implement certain things. All they needed
where it was to have advantage at their level to do it. And it
was the same with all the different organizations, all the different companies or whatever.
It's like. If you are handing out massive amounts of money to people
who go along with the basic narrative, then that's all you need in order
for the entire conspiracy to work. You don't need anybody being completely aware of
whatever goals people have. You just need at your level. So if you
give incentive, if you pay more money for hospitals who declare someone to be
a COVID death, you know, and then obviously then you'll have more COVID
death. And you know, it doesn't necessarily even have to be that everybody
there is completely shifty and is just trying to get money for themselves. It's
just like an implicit thing that sets itself up when you give incentive for people
to do it. And this is something that we experience all the time.
And so let me give you an example in your life that you experience that
I experience all the time. Right, So, where I live in Quebec,
there is an implicit thing which is that if you get a construction worker
or a plumber or an electrician to come to your house to do some work,
they will ask you a question, and that question will be would you
like a receipt with this work? Do you want to receipt? And what
that question means is do you want to pay taxes on the work that I'm
going to do? Now, this will happen all the time. Almost every
single person that works in construction or in these type of manual labors knows that
that's how it works. So why does it happen? Well, because there's
advantage for that conspiracy to exist. Because if I say I don't want tax
I don't want to pay taxes, then I don't have to pay taxes.
And this person will take cash and won't declare that as his revenue, therefore
will also pay less taxes to the government ultimately. And so this is something
that everybody does that everybody knows is happening. Every police officer, every politician,
every single person all along the hierarchy knows that if a construction worker comes
to your house, will ask you would like would you like to pay taxes?
And everybody plays along although it is completely illegal, right, there is
this mass conspiracy to break the law, all of everybody agreeing to do it
or not to do it, and nobody's snitching on anybody, so that there's
this massive illegal activity which happens all the way through my society. And so
conspiracies obviously exists like there, it is like mass. So this one isn't
centralized, like this one isn't directed, it's just an emergent phenomena. But
you know, all of these possibilities exists. It is possible also to have
more centralized, you know, directed intention like when I grew up in the
evangelical churches, or like the Rainbow Coalition is also doing and other different types
of influences that people have. All of these things are possible, and the
caricature of thinking that conspiracy theory are impossible because you know, it's always this
completely has to be this like top down, micromanaged thing where everybody knows what
they're why they're doing what they're doing from top to bottom. That's a ridiculous
thing. And it's ridiculous because nobody acts that way and nobody you know that
that's not how it works, because you know, it just happens that way.
Like here's another example of a global a global conspiracy theory. And this
is going to go against a little bit the way that I talk about Santa
Claus, which is that every year, you know, millions of parents tell
their children that there's a man in a red suit that flies above their house
and is going to land on the house and bring gifts to the child.
And then not only the parents, all the companies do that. Every single
company is at using advertisement, you know, talking about this red man in
the suit that flies around and brings gifts to everybody. Not only that the
government is involved. If your child writes a letter to Santa Claus and sends
it to the mail then that letter, you know, will get to the
post office and Santa Claus will answer and send it back to you, you
know, and there isn't an actual red man who does this. All of
these people from the very from the president or the prime minister of your country,
through the entire you know system of the government, all the corporations,
and all the families are participating in this worldwide conspiracy. You know, to
tell children that Santa Claus exists, and the answer is yes. And the
reason is because Santa Claus exists. He doesn't exist exactly in the way,
but there's a principality acting on all of these levels and making it, making
it happen. And so that is also true of other types of conspiracies.
That is, there our principalities acting out in the world, and everybody can
participate in them without having to get a memo from the secret boss or whatever,
and like you know, suspiciously acting you know, in secret, so
that nobody knows what you're doing, you know, the way that people imagine
like the Illuminati or the Freemasons or whatever. It's like it's just the way
that systems of intention actually manifest themselves in the world and so I would say,
you know, it's very important on the one hand to look at a
lot of the stories that come out. I mean, obviously a lot of
you know, there are a lot of conspiracy theories that are just blatantly false
that are and just because some conspiracy theories are blatantly false doesn't mean that conspiracies
don't exist, that conspiracies can't happen, and that governments can't act against their
people, and there can't be faction within governments that act with other intentions besides
to serve the people. All of these things can be true at the same
time. But when we fall to this weird fear, and I felt it
myself because I myself have been like, I don't want to be called the
conspiracy theories, you know, I don't want because that's like the worst thing
you can say about someone. But I think it is in some ways time
to break away from this kind of simple thinking and to be able to rather
discern when we're seeing, you know, concerted action in different directions and be
able to recognize different agencies working through the world, even if we know that
the people implementing it at the lower levels don't know what they're doing that.
They don't necessarily have a vision of the grand scope of things. It doesn't
really matter. They only need reason to act at their own level. And
that can just be money, it can just be prestige. It can just
be to look right in front of your neighbors. It can just be like
social acceptance. There are all kinds of reasons why conspiracies can happen in the
world, and that everybody can participate them, you know, without knowing what
the end goal is. So that is you know, a few thoughts on
that, because with the discussion with Mary Harrington kind of talked about it more
in the fairytale mythological way, which I think is important to understand and to
see. But I wanted to be careful that people didn't think that I was
saying that therefore conspiracy impossible. It's like, no, yeah, there are
sometimes necessarily that's just how the world works. There is directed action in certain
directions, sometimes explicit, sometimes implicit, but we have to be able to
recognize it when we see it. So hope this was helpful. Thanks for
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