1 00:00:39,039 --> 00:01:33,079 Tonight's guest is Mike Colintonio. Mike, Welcome to the show. Hey Bick, 2 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,000 how are you well? I'm doing good, but more importantly, how 3 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,280 are you? I'm okay, I'm all right, Thank you are You're welcome? 4 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:46,799 Mike. Please give us a brief file on yourself. All right, 5 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:53,159 no pressure. So I grew up on Long Island, New York and Sicilian 6 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:59,799 family. You know, run of the mill, average guy, went through 7 00:01:59,799 --> 00:02:04,200 every retrade under the sun. Didn't really care for anything. So eventually I 8 00:02:04,319 --> 00:02:09,039 joined in the Army around twenty three, stayed in for I had a two 9 00:02:09,039 --> 00:02:13,199 and a half year contract, but I stayed in for another year and a 10 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:20,319 half to go overseas to Afghanistan. When I got back, I was just 11 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:30,280 basically dumped off into society and very very lost for multiple reasons. I was 12 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,240 dealing with addiction, and I was dealing with uh, you know, a 13 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:40,080 lot of PTSD and some other issues. So eventually I went in for some 14 00:02:40,159 --> 00:02:47,319 help after a while trying to do it myself. And over those five years, 15 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:52,759 i know, five or six years, I did a lot of healing 16 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:59,199 and started doing a lot of like you know, spiritual healing and learning reiky 17 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,639 and meditation and then things like that which really started to open me up as 18 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:10,960 an individual. And I really wasn't finding my place in the world back in 19 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,639 society, so I started taking to the woods, and I had too many 20 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:22,520 social anxieties. So I found myself going in the woods NonStop, probably once 21 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:27,960 or twice a day at least for a couple of hours each And I had 22 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:37,000 a very deep interest in task much but it wasn't an understanding or even a 23 00:03:37,039 --> 00:03:44,439 full necessarily belief yet, and I didn't necessarily things that I had the chance 24 00:03:44,479 --> 00:03:46,840 of seeing on where I was. You know, you have to go in 25 00:03:46,879 --> 00:03:50,560 the middle of nowhere, it's what It's what I thought. You had to 26 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,639 go in the middle of the mountains and scream and bang on trees, etc. 27 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:59,719 And I only knew what I knew from what I knew at that point, 28 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,080 which was not much. And that's pretty much when I was planning to 29 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:09,879 go to the Pacific Northwest when I had my encounter which put a screeching halt 30 00:04:09,919 --> 00:04:15,160 on my trip, and I started to you know, it was very traumatic 31 00:04:15,199 --> 00:04:18,879 for me, and there was nothing threatening. There was nothing threatening there at 32 00:04:18,879 --> 00:04:25,639 all. It's just was sheer size and fear. My reaction dropped me to 33 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:30,800 the floor and when I looked back, he you know, it was gone. 34 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:38,120 And mind you, my last job as a soldier in combat and the 35 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:43,720 fight or flight was flight. Fight wasn't an option, but my body and 36 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:48,639 had reacted to say flight. But go just go down, Just go down, 37 00:04:48,639 --> 00:04:53,000 and hope nothing happened. I beg for help, you know. And 38 00:04:53,199 --> 00:04:56,759 mind you again, I don't think anything bad was going to happen, but 39 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,240 at the time I could not process that. I couldn't process it. So 40 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:08,480 at this point, you know, this is when people decide I'm never going 41 00:05:08,519 --> 00:05:12,480 back in the woods ever, ever again, or I gotta get some answers. 42 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,319 So I chose the ladder and started to go back in and started to 43 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,959 reach out to a lot of people. And you know, a few years 44 00:05:23,079 --> 00:05:27,000 later, I've been doing that steadily, just kind of going out there as 45 00:05:27,079 --> 00:05:31,160 often as possible as a blank slate, and you know, no preconceived notions 46 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,519 or preconceived ideas, no matter how much I learned or how much I take 47 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:39,040 in, I try and just step out there every day and say, you 48 00:05:39,079 --> 00:05:42,000 know, hey, universe, hey woodsy mother nature, what do you got 49 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:50,240 for me today? And as much as you try to prepare and cover yourself 50 00:05:50,480 --> 00:06:00,600 in protection. Sometimes other things can affect you and bind you and reach out, 51 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:05,800 and I've had to learn the hard way, especially with Dogman, which 52 00:06:05,879 --> 00:06:11,879 is why we're here today. And yeah, I mean that's about it. 53 00:06:11,959 --> 00:06:15,040 I guess in a nut show it goes without saying I'm so glad you're able 54 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,079 to get back on the horse and head out into the woods. And it 55 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:23,000 also goes without saying I can't thank you enough your service to our country. 56 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:27,480 I'm just so sorry to hear that your experiences overseas have affected you the way 57 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:32,000 they have. Yeah, it's very unfortunate. I do consider myself one of 58 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,680 the lucky ones to be able to recover and you come back from that, 59 00:06:36,879 --> 00:06:41,720 and it is a constant process, right with any kind of trauma, it 60 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,519 requires constant work. But I appreciate that big thank you. Well, you 61 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,120 know you're welcome, budd You're just telling them like it is. I really 62 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,839 do appreciate it. If you'd like to be able to listen to the show 63 00:06:54,879 --> 00:06:59,639 without ads and have full access to bonus content, that's an option to find 64 00:06:59,639 --> 00:07:04,399 out now, please go to dog meant Encounters dot com. Ford Slash podcast 65 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:10,920 comparing the two your dog meant encounters, which obviously have hits you very hard, 66 00:07:11,199 --> 00:07:15,360 and then your experiences overseas in the military, which one has been harder 67 00:07:15,439 --> 00:07:23,680 to deal with, which one's given you more PTSD. I would say the 68 00:07:24,839 --> 00:07:33,800 wartime, because there was there's tangible damage. You know, that that lingers 69 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:41,639 that constantly reminds me. You know, I have a TBI, which you 70 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,600 know, just kind of gives me these It's a TBI stands for a traumatic 71 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,040 brain injury. There was a lot of IDs. That was the method of 72 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:56,879 defense and offense by you know, the locals over there, and have been 73 00:07:56,879 --> 00:08:03,399 in numerous explosions, and you know, it really gives me these constant migraines 74 00:08:03,439 --> 00:08:07,480 and neck pain and just you know, steady, steady discomfort on a regular 75 00:08:07,519 --> 00:08:13,199 basis. But I do consider myself fortunate. But again, it's just, 76 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:18,839 you know, constant reminder of that trauma and those events. So I'd say 77 00:08:18,959 --> 00:08:24,920 that's probably the main reason why they were more traumatic. Plus, you spend 78 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,800 every single day around man and these people would smile in your face and then 79 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,759 turn their back on you later, and you never know who's who out there. 80 00:08:35,879 --> 00:08:39,200 We're amongst human beings. A whole day long every day, and we 81 00:08:39,279 --> 00:08:41,799 have to put a lot of trust in them on all a lot of different 82 00:08:43,159 --> 00:08:46,559 levels, at a lot of different times. And you know, you just 83 00:08:46,639 --> 00:08:52,120 never know. Humans are the most unpredictable thing I've ever been around. Isn't 84 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,440 that the truth? And I'm so sorry, like I said, that you 85 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,559 had to go through all that. I mean, no one should have to 86 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:01,279 deal with that. That is so horrible. But like I said, that's 87 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,039 just one of the reasons why I really appreciate your service to our country so 88 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,559 much. I really do. I thank you, bro Are You're welcome. 89 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,559 If you've had a dog meet encounter would like to speak with me about it, 90 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,399 whether I'm private or on the show, please go to dog Meet Encounters 91 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,600 dot com and submit a report. If you've had a Bigfoot sighting and we'd 92 00:09:20,639 --> 00:09:24,799 like to be a guest on one of my two bigfoot shows, please go 93 00:09:24,919 --> 00:09:30,320 to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. Well, you've got a lot to unpack 94 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,559 for us here tonight, Mike, So let's dive into it now. Please 95 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,279 tell us about your encounters, give us every last detail that comes to mind. 96 00:09:37,799 --> 00:09:46,120 Okay, so this is a pretty long drawn out scenario. I'll start 97 00:09:46,279 --> 00:09:52,120 from the beginning at least from where I was able to pick up on what 98 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,840 was happening that they were dog man present. I had heard about them, 99 00:09:56,919 --> 00:10:05,159 I had understood that they were they, And it wasn't that I was in 100 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:09,519 disbelief. I'd say I had tunnel vision and all I wanted to do was 101 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,120 focus on the sask But and I was very good at blocking out anything else 102 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:20,440 from being there, that was until it made itself very very visible. So 103 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:26,720 the first time was in the pine barrens and I was by myself, and 104 00:10:26,799 --> 00:10:31,600 I could feel a real lucked ince and he, you know, almost a 105 00:10:31,639 --> 00:10:35,240 reverse magnetic energy, kind of like pushing me back, saying, you know, 106 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:37,559 as if to say like he don't, don't come in here. But 107 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:43,799 the stubborn human in me drove all that way and I wanted to go in 108 00:10:43,879 --> 00:10:46,360 there. I didn't drive over there to just turn around, right, So 109 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:52,639 I just pushed my way forward anyway. And you know, looking back to 110 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:58,480 hindsight twenty twenty, I shouldn't have. But I was lucky once again, 111 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:05,320 and consider myself fortunate. But there were multiple dog men out there, and 112 00:11:07,639 --> 00:11:11,960 I could hear them communicating. Mind you on Long Island, just to give 113 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:18,320 a brief overlay of it. The pine barrens are very it's like one hundred 114 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,559 thousand acres on Long Island. It's very barren, like literally barren, and 115 00:11:22,639 --> 00:11:28,200 there's nobody out there. It's just kind of like a crypted playground where nothing's 116 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:33,240 off limits and people don't go out there. There are no trails. It's 117 00:11:33,279 --> 00:11:39,080 not like there are trails in some parts, but most of them are like 118 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,519 mountain biking trails, and it's not a prime hiking location, especially with all 119 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,799 the water and beaches and like state parks on the water that we have. 120 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:52,120 We have so many state and county beautiful parks and beaches that nobody goes out 121 00:11:52,159 --> 00:11:56,960 there. But I was drawn there. I don't know why. I just 122 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,440 it's where I ended up. So I went in and I like it challenge 123 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:05,080 and I like to switch things up. So on this particular day, oh 124 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,960 so I meant. What I meant to dive into is that we don't have 125 00:12:07,039 --> 00:12:13,480 any coyotes here. We don't have wolves, we don't have bear, we 126 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:18,200 don't have big cats. We don't even have small cats or fisher cats nothing. 127 00:12:18,759 --> 00:12:22,559 So we have fox and deer. It's about it. So many big 128 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:26,960 birds of prey. But other than that, nothing you can mix up. 129 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,080 You know, you can't mix up what you're looking at. It's either a 130 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:39,799 domestic dog or you got a dog man on your hands. And these I 131 00:12:39,879 --> 00:12:43,879 don't know. Maybe maybe some people have super trained dogs elsewhere, but I 132 00:12:43,879 --> 00:12:46,639 don't know anybody with domestic dogs that can tactically move through the brush like a 133 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:54,679 military unit. And that's what I was seeing. And I want to give 134 00:12:54,720 --> 00:13:01,159 a description of them, but I don't remember much except that it was a 135 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:07,320 darkish gray, not quite black, not quite gray, not quite silver, 136 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:15,919 but this like dark gray, like a like a gun metal that almost seemed 137 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:24,000 to be fluid with their body. It wasn't like mangy. It wasn't scattered 138 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:31,240 the hair it was it was it seemed to flow with their body movement. 139 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,320 I don't know how this to explain that, you know, except what I 140 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,960 said, I could just tell you what I saw. I don't. I 141 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:43,360 don't know anything that's hair moves along with its limbs perfectly, like in synchronizing 142 00:13:43,759 --> 00:13:48,840 motions. But this, this is what was happening. They were on all 143 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:58,240 fours the whole time. They were bounding from tree to tree, very very 144 00:13:58,279 --> 00:14:03,240 quickly. It was almost like a flash. It was always when they were 145 00:14:03,279 --> 00:14:07,360 in my peripheral, I was having my camera out and I was holding my 146 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,840 camera one way. Every if I had my head to the left, I 147 00:14:11,879 --> 00:14:15,000 was holding my camera to the right, and if I had my head to 148 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,159 the right, I was holding my camera to the left in hopes to possibly 149 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:28,440 capture something that was outdoing me. At every angle there would be a distraction, 150 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:37,480 some sort of like clack or knock or bark or something that would make 151 00:14:37,559 --> 00:14:43,720 me whip my head in one direction, and then where I was turned away 152 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:48,320 from would be where they moved. And it was this triangular movement between three 153 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:54,679 of them, and again I just could not see them. It was just 154 00:14:58,519 --> 00:15:03,759 almost like you know how the contrails that people talk about all time, like 155 00:15:03,919 --> 00:15:07,720 the planes leave behind. It was almost like that's all I could see was 156 00:15:07,799 --> 00:15:13,919 the tail end of the movement. It made if that makes sense. And 157 00:15:16,759 --> 00:15:22,840 at this point, I am trying to back out slowly and slowly and slowly, 158 00:15:22,879 --> 00:15:26,360 but they're constantly moving forward and I know how far I have to go. 159 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:33,399 And as odd as this sounds, I saw what looked to be like 160 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:39,840 a sasquat. I am one of the trees and it wasn't something that I 161 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,480 would say was fully physical. Sometimes it's hard to explain, but I would 162 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:48,440 say I knew what was there, and I knew that something other than the 163 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,480 dog man was there, and sure was way bigger than a person, and 164 00:15:52,519 --> 00:15:58,840 it was way more the presence. It had just kind of commanded the room 165 00:15:58,919 --> 00:16:06,600 and I got direct inkling, like it communicated to me, go, go 166 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:11,960 now, and go and I started to listen, and I started to make 167 00:16:11,039 --> 00:16:21,320 progress and nothing was happening and making my way out, but continuously it kept 168 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:26,080 going on because I kept stubbornly stopping and kind of like looking around and filming. 169 00:16:26,159 --> 00:16:30,039 And I should have had a more sense of urgency and moved with a 170 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,840 sense of purpose more so than I did, and I definitely pushed the boundaries. 171 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:41,559 Eventually I did get another nudge like go, and I did, and 172 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:49,919 I left, and I reluctantly did not go back to that place. Now. 173 00:16:52,159 --> 00:16:56,679 A couple of weeks later, most likely, I had a subscriber come. 174 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:02,240 He wanted to come visit and check things out, and we went a 175 00:17:02,279 --> 00:17:06,480 bunch of different places that he had seen videos of that he wanted to go, 176 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:11,559 and that was one that he wanted to see and so you know, 177 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:21,119 I just silly, silly me decided, okay, let's go. And as 178 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:25,480 night started to fall, I'm just going to fast forward because not much went 179 00:17:25,519 --> 00:17:30,119 on, not not noteworthy anyway. For the few first a couple of hours 180 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,279 that we were there, we were just wandering around and you know, just 181 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,680 normal things, banging around the woods and not really getting too much. But 182 00:17:37,799 --> 00:17:44,880 as nights started to fall, I'll reunerate we do not have packs of canine 183 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:51,480 or koy wolf, coyotes, wolves, nothing. It sounded like a pack 184 00:17:51,519 --> 00:17:56,559 of coyotes was moving in in a hurry, and we weren't far from the 185 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:02,079 vehicle at this point, but it was parked on the road in the woods 186 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:03,759 a little bit, but it was on the road and there was a street 187 00:18:03,799 --> 00:18:08,960 light there, which gave this false sense of security. And I looking back, 188 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:15,240 I don't know why the car and the one street light gave this false 189 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,240 sense of security. I still don't understand it to this day, but it 190 00:18:18,279 --> 00:18:22,160 did. It did, And this has been something that's happened to me multiple 191 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:27,839 times where I felt this false sense of security because I was close to civilization 192 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,680 or a road or something to that effect. But it doesn't seem to matter, 193 00:18:33,079 --> 00:18:41,119 and as this pack of whatever was coming towards us. I can only 194 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:45,200 speculate, but it sounded like it was making a bee line for us, 195 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,200 like it knew we were there somehow. There was this huge bridge that went 196 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:53,640 down, probably about fifteen twenty feet down drop off the trail we were using, 197 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:59,359 which looked to be like maybe a horse trail. Occasionally there was a 198 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:07,680 farm near a horse from nearby, and there was something that popped up and 199 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:15,759 popped back down, and it was so fast. I can't explain how fast 200 00:19:15,799 --> 00:19:18,920 it went up and down. You know when a jacket a box shoot side 201 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,440 of the box, will imagine it went back down immediately in the same fashion, 202 00:19:22,519 --> 00:19:26,079 but even faster. Whack'm All red, reminding me of whack'm all that 203 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:30,000 game, you know, that arcade game where you trying to hit the thing 204 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:37,799 when it pops up. And it did it twice, and I know the 205 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,680 second time I got it on camera, but it just didn't do it justice. 206 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,839 When I looked back at it, it was not as intense as it 207 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:57,240 was to look into those glowing eyes to know something has glowing eyes and can 208 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:07,160 see you clear as day and you can't see it, and what movements it's 209 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,240 making and where it is and what it's doing is one of the scariest things 210 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:17,880 out there. It can see or every single move and everything you're doing, 211 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,559 and you have no idea what's happening outside of your hand, in front of 212 00:20:22,599 --> 00:20:33,079 your face. And as the kyotes or whatever, this pack of unknown canines 213 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,640 got closer and closer, and that just happened. The second time it popped 214 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,759 up. I got so scared that we went to the vehicle and I was 215 00:20:40,799 --> 00:20:42,400 like, let's go get in front of me, Go ahead of me, 216 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:47,039 go, go go. I'm responsible for you. I shouldn't have brought you 217 00:20:47,039 --> 00:20:51,880 out here. Go ahead of me, go and I'll kind of I don't 218 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,240 know what I was thinking, but I was like, I was trying to 219 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,359 put myself a little behind him in case something did happen, they would pick 220 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:03,480 me. I felt so responsible. At this point, we got to the 221 00:21:03,559 --> 00:21:11,359 vehicle and the fear again, there was this false sense of safety. The 222 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:17,599 fear started to turn into like, you know, nervous laughter, which eventually 223 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:22,319 turned into like, man, that was crazy, Like I can't believe that, 224 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,559 you know, almost like we were out of the woods, but we 225 00:21:25,559 --> 00:21:32,319 weren't. We weren't yet and We ended up actually doubling back in a few 226 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:37,400 feet at one point. And this is probably about ten minutes later, and 227 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,079 we're still there, and everything has calmed down to the point where there's really 228 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:45,920 no no noise except normal noise out no woods. If anything, I can't 229 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:51,759 recall, but there was no more of the howling. There was, you 230 00:21:51,799 --> 00:21:55,880 know, no more like phantom footsteps or anything to that effect. Just regular, 231 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:03,319 regular wood feeling, you know, the regular woods. And there was 232 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:10,079 something I can't explain to this day, because the street light gave us a 233 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:14,880 little bit of an extra glimpse, probably our hand in front of our face, 234 00:22:15,279 --> 00:22:19,960 you know, visibility went to somewhere between five and ten feet, and 235 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,799 whatever this was was about two feet from our face. We could feel the 236 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:37,000 breath it sent. It sent it sent chills down your spine. It was 237 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:41,200 the most insane thing I've ever had happened. It vibrated. It was this 238 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:49,440 loud. This loud banshee comes to mind, like screaming like a banshee comes 239 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,279 to mind. But it screamed at the top of its lungs or whatever it 240 00:22:53,440 --> 00:23:00,480 was. And it was not a physical thing. It was just but something 241 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:11,440 was there screaming in our face and a train whistle is like if you ever 242 00:23:11,519 --> 00:23:15,039 been like right in front of the train and it pulls that whistle. It 243 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:21,640 was that times ten and way way higher. And you couldn't, like you 244 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:27,799 you you couldn't go and get a movie actress to ten movie actresses to make 245 00:23:27,799 --> 00:23:30,960 this noise, you know, with a scary movie where the where the female 246 00:23:32,039 --> 00:23:37,079 scream, you know, and it's ten of them more they're screaming like this, 247 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:42,599 It would not have equaled this. It was the scariest, loudest intense 248 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:48,480 thing I've ever experienced. And we left. We got the heck out a 249 00:23:48,519 --> 00:24:00,319 dodge as fast as we could and in a nutshew. That was really the 250 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:06,640 end of that. I think we kind of talked about it briefly. I 251 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:11,480 remember trying to make I always document after my outings in the woods. I 252 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:17,680 try to self document a little selfie video for myself about what happened, so 253 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,599 I don't forget if I need to go back for any reason. And I 254 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:26,200 remember just the phone shaking out of my hands repeatedly, and watching it back, 255 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,839 I remember seeing how stumbling I was over my words, and I couldn't 256 00:24:30,839 --> 00:24:36,400 function, could not formulate a thought. I don't know how he was driving 257 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:38,799 at all. I have no idea. I think it was a real big 258 00:24:38,839 --> 00:24:42,519 thrill for him a little bit. I don't think he understood the dangers that 259 00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:49,160 I could have been involved there. And yeah, it was just another one 260 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:56,400 of those things where you're just lucky that that's all. It was. Fast 261 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:06,960 forward. I'd say that experience really really affected me big time. I didn't 262 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,359 go back over there. I don't think i've been back over there at all 263 00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:15,720 since. Maybe if I did, it was once maybe briefly to kind of 264 00:25:15,759 --> 00:25:18,079 work through trauma, if anything, but I don't even if I did, 265 00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:22,960 I've shut it down. So I started to find other locations like I always 266 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:30,519 do, and challenge myself and you know, switch it up, and I've 267 00:25:30,519 --> 00:25:36,960 found a place pretty close to home, which is kind of nice. It's 268 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,440 wide open, nobody seems to know it's there, a lot of woods, 269 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:47,920 a lot of open areas too, and really just a beautiful, beautiful property. 270 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:53,440 And it's it's state owned. I guess. I'm pretty sure it's stayed 271 00:25:53,480 --> 00:26:00,440 owned anyway. But it goes all the way into the back down this that 272 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,039 looks like you're not supposed to be back there, So I guess that's why 273 00:26:04,079 --> 00:26:07,200 a lot of people don't go in. It has a guard booth, but 274 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,279 no guard you know, a whole bunch of stuff and if you just navigate 275 00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:15,119 through it into the very very back, it's gorgeous and wide open and just 276 00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:19,880 like a you know, wooded playground, and I do I go back there 277 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:26,200 because I know nobody else, though there was a lot of times I bring 278 00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:32,839 my dog there because it was the grass wasn't too tall. A lot of 279 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,880 different things, a lot of different reasons, but it was really a lot 280 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:42,440 of fun for me for a very long time until one particular night. I 281 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:49,319 had not been doing anything really at nighttime. In hindsight, most like it 282 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:55,799 was because of what happened at night that we just discussed. But on this 283 00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:59,240 particular occasion, it was twilight, and one of my favorite times to go 284 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:04,759 out is blue hour in the morning or sunrise the hour or the twilight hour 285 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,000 like the morning. And you know, it's like shift change, right, 286 00:27:10,599 --> 00:27:14,559 Nocturnal things go in or out. They come home where they go out, 287 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,759 and the other things go to sleep where they go. You know, they're 288 00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:22,680 heading out, so very active, very very active. And it's just a 289 00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:29,119 theory of mine that the cryptids of the same way, but I would get 290 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,519 a lot of activity that way, so I tried it, and that particular 291 00:27:32,599 --> 00:27:41,440 night I ended up staying into the night. And so the way this place 292 00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:48,480 is lined up is there's this open field and it's always mo which somehow I've 293 00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:52,960 never seen anybody there that most of them, but who knows. And then 294 00:27:52,960 --> 00:28:00,960 there's thick tall grass and thick thick brush, and the trees have almost like 295 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:08,319 a network of hollowed out areas underneath you. All those big trees that cover 296 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:15,720 they grow outward and kind of grow. The deer love it because they walk 297 00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:18,440 all under it, and it's it's it's almost like a little, you know, 298 00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:22,400 hidden tunnel system down there. I like to refer to it as remember 299 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,480 when you were a kid and you'd take your sheet, you know, grab 300 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:30,279 your mom's bed sheets and I tuck all four corners in and make a tent, 301 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:33,759 and you know, you crawl around down there. It's something similar to 302 00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:41,359 that. And there's these lanes that kind of go, you know, in 303 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,640 and out of the different trails that you could walk, and there's one that 304 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:55,599 is very narrow and it has these those trees and some of them overlap over 305 00:28:55,599 --> 00:29:00,519 that tight trail, and I always see the deer frequenting in and out of 306 00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:03,480 it, and I never really thought much about it. I didn't never get 307 00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:12,440 too close to it. I never went down that particular trail for no particular 308 00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:18,720 reason. Just didn't really seem important because it led to the long road. 309 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,519 It didn't lead back to where I parked. It led to the long road 310 00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:29,000 that I had to take to get back there. It's just a little backstreet 311 00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:33,640 with street lights on it, and it's way behind all these expensive buildings and 312 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,720 stuff that are just vacant, you know, never used. I don't know 313 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,279 why. So again there was that false sense of security too with the street 314 00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:47,480 lights. So as it got dark, instead of coming back across the big, 315 00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:52,200 you know, open area and stumbling through the darkness, I said, 316 00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:57,440 oh maybe I'll cut that way and head towards the lights. You know, 317 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:03,799 I'll get in the street. I'll get in the street because that's that feels 318 00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:11,039 safer. The feeling at that point was very uneasy. And mind you, 319 00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:18,079 I do apologize because there is some trauma here where I I believe I tried 320 00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:22,599 to bury some things, so I'm going to do my best. But there 321 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:30,240 there was an uneasy feeling from what I can remember, and I think that 322 00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:36,559 is originally why I was trying to fast forward out of the you know, 323 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,519 wooded area and out into the fields and then back, you know, to 324 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:47,599 my vehicle or back towards that road and the street lights. It was it 325 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:53,880 was just giving me this sense of comfort that I thought I should I should 326 00:30:53,920 --> 00:31:02,400 go for. So as I went down this it was tight lane and usually 327 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,680 it's very wide. In the winter time especially, it's very wide. It's 328 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,880 a very wide lane. But in the in the sick of it, it's 329 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:15,960 it just overlaps and becomes very very tight, and towards the street part of 330 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,079 it, it's i'd say it's about one hundred yards long, give or take, 331 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,079 you know, let maybe give her take twenty yards. So as I 332 00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:32,319 get towards the street, I'm really starting to get comfortable and I really have 333 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:49,920 my guard down. And this is when the the discomfort or possible uncomfortability change 334 00:31:49,960 --> 00:32:00,920 too utter fear and just I mean, sheer terror. And I don't want 335 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,599 to use the word attacked here because I feel like it's used too loosely. 336 00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:17,440 But I was intimidated to a degree where I I don't think i've ever since 337 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,880 the military, taking my knife off my you know, out of my pocket 338 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:32,400 or off my belt. It came out so fast out of that thick underbrush 339 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:40,920 that I was talking to you about. It was like a cannon ball just 340 00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:47,440 shot out of the trees. There was no winding up, there was no 341 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:52,480 you know, oh I hear you know, it's running, something's running towards 342 00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:57,799 me like you would hear a horse gallop towards you, or you know, 343 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,839 or a deer running for a little while. It was like right out of 344 00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:07,079 a cannon just took off like it was almost it was almost like they were 345 00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:14,920 twenty feet away from me or and I just didn't know it. But it 346 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:22,960 lunged so quickly and so fast it was in my face within seconds. And 347 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:27,039 the best way I can describe it is, you know when you walk through 348 00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:31,440 those Halloween haunted houses and you're just waiting for, you know, something to 349 00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:36,319 jump out at you, and everything's in close proximity, and then all of 350 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:45,759 something, something just launches out that multiplied to an unequippable speed and a unequippable 351 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:55,920 fear, And the first one lunged out to the point where it came within 352 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:07,880 I would say three three feet. It felt like it felt like it's you 353 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:14,000 know, snout was in front of my eyeball, like an inch in front 354 00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:16,880 of my eyeball. But I have to be realistic here and say I'd say 355 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:24,400 it was within three feet now. The second one lunged out, and I'm 356 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:32,519 backpedaling now as best as I can and scrambling for the street. And for 357 00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:42,519 whatever reason they lunged out and pulled back, they could have done anything they 358 00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:51,800 chose to. They looked identical to the ones I was describing to earlier. 359 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:58,079 That gun metal gray, if you will, But it's hard to say. 360 00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:02,360 It's almost like a peppered gray, like there's maybe black roots, if you 361 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:07,079 will, And then maybe it changes like gray into like almost like a lighter 362 00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:10,800 gray. And I don't know how to explain this necessarily, but it wasn't 363 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,440 really I don't want to say it was hair, because it was hair, 364 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,000 but I don't want to say it was like fine or thick. It reminded 365 00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:25,039 me somewhat of a porky pine how they have quills. No, it's still 366 00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:29,639 a hair, but it's not quills, but it's it's still a hair. 367 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:36,440 But it was just that like sleek looking very fluid and very like firm and 368 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:49,599 nothing I've seen before. So this is the time where I pulled up my 369 00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:54,239 knife and started, you know, I screamed some obscenity that I won't repeat 370 00:35:54,320 --> 00:36:04,679 here and utter your fear just coursing through my body, and they backed up 371 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,320 right back in. They could have done whatever they chose to me. At 372 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,679 that point, I had no chance. It's actually quite humorous looking back, 373 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,519 that I drew a blade on him. Just ridiculous when you when I when 374 00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:22,280 I really look at it in hindsight, when I look at the size of 375 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:28,039 them they were. I remember they had this like cocked this cocked leg like 376 00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:31,800 when they were standing up, like the almost like a little bow in it. 377 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,840 Uh, I don't know, I don't know if I'm explaining that right, 378 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,840 but almost like an elbow. It just had this little like not little 379 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,079 at all, but it had like a bend to it. They didn't stand 380 00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,519 straight up, is what I'm getting at. I guess they had like a 381 00:36:47,519 --> 00:36:52,480 almost like they were on a what are those things called where they jack jack 382 00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:59,440 a jack a card jack like you know, like that very very massive, 383 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:05,880 though very massive, not as tall maybe as I've heard other reports I'd say 384 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,840 they were. They weren't massive, much taller than me, somewhere in the 385 00:37:09,079 --> 00:37:17,880 six to seven foot range, probably closer to six and a half. And 386 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:27,760 I belned for the street, but I still had to go all the way 387 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:34,679 through now down the road under Now, now the sense of security I was 388 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:40,119 looking for turned on me, because now I was in the dark, with 389 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:46,960 woods on both sides of me. I can see a bunch of eyeshine lying 390 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:52,960 down, low and tactically moving. As I'm walking down this road, I 391 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,519 can see them bounding. They would close their eyes and move, and then 392 00:37:57,559 --> 00:38:00,679 they would reappear, and then one would close size and moving bound and reappear 393 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,239 next to it, and then they would There was a couple of at least 394 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,440 three, maybe four, and they were very low, and they moved up 395 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:15,440 and down very tactically and really smoothly, and they went the whole way as 396 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:21,480 I went down. And the reverse side of that street light made me feel 397 00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:27,400 now like I was on display, like I was a rotisserie chicken in the 398 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:35,039 middle of stopping shop or you know, wherever you shop at. That's what 399 00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,440 it felt like now. The thing I wanted to get to most to feel 400 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:47,320 safe when I was feeling unsaved. Now totally flip the script. As I'm 401 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:52,559 going They're moving next to me and moving next to me, and I'm doing 402 00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:58,960 my best to keep my calm and stay cool, but I know that this 403 00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:06,199 is I'm not gonna end well. I don't know if I'm really processing much 404 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:13,480 about anything again. This is like where I noticed that I kind of have 405 00:39:13,639 --> 00:39:19,559 blocked out a little bit of some stuff because it was just so so traumatic. 406 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,039 I appreciate you, Vick, because We've talked about it quite a bit 407 00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:30,000 now, and I've worked through a couple of little things and understandings and have 408 00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:32,920 gotten me to the point where I'm able to sit here and discuss it without 409 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:39,840 rushing through completely. But in a nutshell, I made it to my vehicle 410 00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:45,360 and I was able to leave. I remember locking my doors and rolling my 411 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:52,880 windows up, and I remember I was leaning into the middle of my car. 412 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,639 I was trying to be as center as I could in my truck because 413 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,639 I didn't want to be close to the windows. I didn't want to be 414 00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:05,440 close so they either window because I thought that I just wanted to be as 415 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,679 far as possible from the woodline, and there was one on each side of 416 00:40:08,679 --> 00:40:13,800 me. That's how scared I was. This is the way my brain was 417 00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:20,239 processing things and telling me to react to put myself. I drive sideways, 418 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,360 leaning into the middle of the car, uncomfortably, because that's, you know, 419 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:29,880 more safe until you get out of here, right And I did Eventually 420 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:37,880 I got out of there, but that was a short lived safe haven. 421 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:47,639 Now you always hear people say be careful because they'll follow you home, and 422 00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:55,800 I don't know how that works when it comes to these guys. I don't 423 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,840 know much about dog man. I still don't. I respect what you do, 424 00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:05,000 viculd really do, but I still I still have a from all this. 425 00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:08,920 I still have a protection measure where I just keep a healthy distance and 426 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:14,760 a healthy respect and stay away because I know what they're capable of. And 427 00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:21,880 this is where the story goes up to this point. These dog men not 428 00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:24,719 one, not two, you know, there was multiple on multiple occasions. 429 00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:30,119 Could have you know, I've done a lot of things to me, like 430 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:37,199 took me out, hurt me, whatever they so choose, and I still 431 00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:49,440 walked away every time. Now it was different. The next time I experienced 432 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:59,000 them, I was at home. I live in the suburbs. The neighbors 433 00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:07,159 are not are from one another, even if it's late at night. There 434 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:14,039 was a huge ruckus. I'd imagine people would probably come out, but I 435 00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:24,559 was being tormented for quite a while. The first night was the scariest. 436 00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:30,719 I'd say. I came out of my you know, I have an apartment 437 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,639 on the backside of a house and a little side entrance, and I came 438 00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:44,719 out of my door and I lit a cigarette, and out of the corner 439 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:51,239 of my eye, I can see something that just doesn't belong, just doesn't 440 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,320 belong there, and I don't not really figuring out what it is yet. 441 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,360 Stark out there. Sensor lights aren't working again. I don't know why. 442 00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:04,400 It's just something that kept happening no matter what I did to fix them. 443 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:15,400 And through this particular tree that's pretty trimmed down now, I saw something glowing 444 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:24,000 and I turned my head and there was these red glowing eyes and against the 445 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,599 moonlight, I guess it was somewhat of a cloudy night, but there was 446 00:43:28,639 --> 00:43:37,039 still a difference between the black shingles on the roof and the sky. And 447 00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:42,159 in between those dark shingles and that gray with a little bit of lighted sky, 448 00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:53,039 there was a figure and it was on all fours leaning downward. It's 449 00:43:54,119 --> 00:44:00,119 but was up towards the peak of the roof, and it's shoulders were and 450 00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:07,039 you know, face were aiming down, facing down. And I have about 451 00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:10,679 five feet between me and my fence, maybe ten feet giver take, and 452 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:20,559 then there's probably another ten yards at least between probably a fifteen yards between that 453 00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:24,880 fence, and they're at home and they are a two story house and it's 454 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:31,079 a pretty big house. And that's where this thing sat and was staring at 455 00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:37,480 me. And it was fully flesh as far as I'm concerned. You know, 456 00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:40,519 it wasn't tangible because I couldn't touch it. It was way over there, 457 00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:45,920 but it as far as it was, it was too close for comfort 458 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:52,880 for me. It had these huge shoulders. You know there's show dogs, 459 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:58,400 like pitbulls and stuff where they're like they're huge and like they look like little 460 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,440 tanks. It was like that, but it was on like a giant German 461 00:45:02,519 --> 00:45:09,360 shepherd, a black German shepherd, and it was in pounce mode like it 462 00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:15,039 was. It was, That's what I mean, Like its shoulders and arms 463 00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:21,320 were like cocked out because I believe it was planning to lunge. Again. 464 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,800 This is perspective because it didn't lunge. In the end, it did not 465 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:34,159 lunge, and it didn't do anything in particular, but it scared me again. 466 00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:37,599 It was scaring me. It was there, it was letting me know 467 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:44,559 it knew where I was. I'm just speculating because I can. I can 468 00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:46,920 only do that. I can only do that. But the facts are that 469 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:57,519 there was that thing sitting up there watching me, and I had no control 470 00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:02,719 over it. So I decided to start calling around and trying to get help, 471 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:10,079 which I'll breeze through that process because hindsight, I don't really know how 472 00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:15,039 productive any of it was, but there was points where they were the help 473 00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:21,480 I was asking for having me doing certain rituals and different things where you know, 474 00:46:21,519 --> 00:46:24,320 I was trying to make amends with them, and some of it was 475 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:29,719 gifting. Some of it was odd things around the homes, similar to a 476 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:37,480 protection for a spirit or something to that effect. Then some of it was 477 00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:39,840 leaving gifts out in the in the area. It took me a lot of 478 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:46,119 time. I lost the whole month of everything I loved. I had to 479 00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:50,960 put it all in hold because there was nothing more important to me than making 480 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:59,000 sure that I don't you know. I wasn't trying to wage war with something 481 00:46:59,079 --> 00:47:06,960 that could sneak up me like that. So I did my best to make 482 00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:12,800 things better, at least as well as I knew how. Looking back, 483 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:17,599 I think what I was doing was I was gaining understanding, I was gaining 484 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:30,960 a mutual respect, I was losing fear, And you know, that's a 485 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:40,719 lot of a lot of maybe what what helped this situation After that first night, 486 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,320 it was the scariest night of my life. There were some days and 487 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:54,199 some nights that were silent, completely silent, nothing, sometimes for days at 488 00:47:54,239 --> 00:48:00,960 a time. But then there would just be a night where, you know, 489 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,400 it seemed like every other night where it was just silent again and nothing 490 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:13,320 was around, and I would be outside and the fence would just start shaking, 491 00:48:13,519 --> 00:48:20,400 and the trees would start shaking, and in multiple spots, and almost 492 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:27,320 like there was like multiple linebackers, like an offensive line just behind the fence, 493 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:34,159 just rattling it at different times, just hitting into it. There was 494 00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:40,679 other times where it would feel like I was just being watched and I just 495 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:51,400 didn't know from where. I would say the hardest part for me was not 496 00:48:52,119 --> 00:49:00,840 knowing when they were going to come not knowing how to fix it. And 497 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,800 when I did think I had answers on how to fix it. How long 498 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:10,199 was it going to take? Would it work where my kids are gonna get 499 00:49:10,199 --> 00:49:15,360 harmed? Should I go to somebody? You know, there's so many things 500 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:21,719 that go in through your mind and and it really makes you feel like you're 501 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:28,239 alone in the world, and you really don't know what it turn through because 502 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:36,599 this is it just sounds like craziness. It sounds like it just sounds like 503 00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:42,280 a crazy person when you put it all together. It just to a regular 504 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:49,000 person who's going about their life and has never experienced anything like this and has 505 00:49:49,079 --> 00:49:55,400 never come across anything or even believes in anything closely remotely like this. You 506 00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:02,159 know, there's there's not many people you can reach to. And I really 507 00:50:02,159 --> 00:50:07,480 appreciate you, Vic, because you've done a lot for me, just even 508 00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:14,480 in the past few days. It's been very helpful. And I hope I 509 00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:20,679 did some justice here. But I want to round out the whole thing and 510 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:25,119 just kind of give some hope here and some positive insight to the whole, 511 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:31,599 to the whole thing. And I just always want to touch back on there 512 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:38,079 could have been a lot of times where they hurt me or worse and it 513 00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:44,079 didn't happen. And there was a lot of times where they were here and 514 00:50:44,119 --> 00:50:49,039 they again they could have did the same thing whether they were here or I 515 00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:52,239 was out there, It didn't matter. They had the upper hand and they 516 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:57,440 knew it. And I think they got off on the fear. I think 517 00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,679 they really enjoyed instilling the fear and me, and it did work for quite 518 00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:09,280 a while. But after a while it seemed like everything died down, and 519 00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:16,000 I didn't want to get complacent and just act like everything was okay again and 520 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:22,159 managed to get back on their bad side somehow or whatever the case was. 521 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:29,280 So I always constantly just have a mutual respect and try to kind of keep 522 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:34,920 my cool and keep my fear out of it if possible. People ask me 523 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,199 all the time, how are you so cool out there? Oh? Yes, 524 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:38,840 you know you, you know you. I don't know how you do 525 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:44,159 that. You're so whatever, you know, whatever different phrases people have, 526 00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:49,599 I won't say here, but it's not it's it's what you have to do. 527 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,000 You know, you don't want to be cocky, but you can't show 528 00:51:54,079 --> 00:52:00,119 fear either. You know, fear will keep you alive, but too much 529 00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:08,239 of it will gain in trouble. And don't hang on to this stuff like 530 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:14,000 I did. I hung on to it for too long. I started to 531 00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:17,159 bury a lot of it. I thought it was the best thing for everybody, 532 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:22,960 for me to myself included, for me to just sweep it under the 533 00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:29,239 rug. But the problem with that is that lump in the rug you gotta 534 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,800 walk over in a lot of different times, over and over and over. 535 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:37,960 So it's best to just handle it. And you know, there's nobody better 536 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,920 than Vic when it comes to this stuff, and I'm a firm believer in 537 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,800 that, especially in hours. So I just want to thank you again, 538 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,760 and I hope I did a little bit of justice here, and I hope 539 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:53,280 my details weren't into spotty and whatever. But I guess that's in a nutshell. 540 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:59,079 Unless you got questions, Vic, Oh do I I've got a bunch 541 00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:01,119 of them. I'll tell you what, though, Mike, we're about an 542 00:53:01,159 --> 00:53:05,480 hour into this, and I don't want to short change all these questions. 543 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,039 I want to ask you about what you told us about your experiences. Would 544 00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:10,800 you mind coming back for a part two so I could run you through all 545 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:15,760 those questions? No, of course not great. Well, i'll get with 546 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:20,800 you after we finish here tonight and we'll get that schedule for next weekend. 547 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,880 We'll take it from there. But before we get out of here, I 548 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:29,079 do want to ask you about something earlier this week we recorded an episode of 549 00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:32,800 My Paranormal Experience where you came on and talked about your experiences. Actually two 550 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:37,920 encounters he had with a rake. One of those encounters involved a sasquatch saving 551 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:43,199 it from that rake. Did you have that rake encounter, the second rake 552 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:49,000 encounter, before you have these dog men encounters or after it? I believe 553 00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:53,519 that the rake encounters were afterwards. Yes, they were pretty far after and 554 00:53:54,639 --> 00:53:58,199 it was an interesting thing, you know. I think it was just more 555 00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,519 or less wrong place, wrong time, and there was just it was just 556 00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:09,639 coming out of those underground areas on those overcast days. And like I told 557 00:54:09,679 --> 00:54:14,840 you when we did that's it's like a big, big federal building area and 558 00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:19,800 a lot of underground tunnels and a lot of woods around them that people don't 559 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,599 use that have no trails, which tends to be where I bump into a 560 00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:30,440 lot of the weird stuff. And yeah, that was a very very interesting 561 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:35,119 experience to say the least. Yeah, interesting, doesn't do it any justice. 562 00:54:35,639 --> 00:54:38,119 That thing is sure sounds to me like you had bad intentions. But 563 00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,280 yeah, speaking of that, if you do want to listen to that episode, 564 00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,840 if you check out the description for tonight's episode of Dog Meant Encounters, 565 00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:50,480 you'll see that I've posted a link to that episode of My Paranormal Experience where 566 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,000 Mike talks about those rak encounters. But having said that, Mike, it's 567 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,679 time for us to call it tonight. So I just want to thank you 568 00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,599 so much for coming on and sharing the details those experiences with us. I 569 00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:06,840 really appreciate it anytime. Brother, thank you well, you know you're welcome. 570 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:08,880 Thanks again so much, and have a great night.