Take them. Hello, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to a geek first review.
I am the clown Prince of War Trust Hill. I'm joined by Hey,
I'm doing with the what's some Licorice taylor Field. Yes, ladies and
gentlemen, we are here to review Civil War. No, not the Civil
War we were viewed many years ago, or retrospective and none that. Yeah,
we've yet to do the real life Civil War. But once we were
on a contact on a retrospective, maybe we will break down the whole.
Once you start breaking out the history podcast, you're like Dylan if if someone
comes to you say, hey, we're gonna sign this big geek for a
million dollar deal. But you guys gotta do a history podcast. So it's
retrospectives, but on eventsive history. What would you pick? Like what would
be the time to think, oh, this would be a good topic.
I thought your question was gonna be what I would I signed that deal?
In my answer, wouldn't you said you wouldn't. If they say, Nona,
go to your job again, you're gonna be a millionaire. You just
once we got to do a retrospective on something in history. It could be
anything. I mean, yeah, there's gotta be something good. I do
think about the in you know, social studies in middle school, high school,
I dreaded that Canadian history did not do it for me. But maybe
I was like young and immature and I wasn't like I didn't have the brains
enough to like realize how important this stuff actually was. So I don't know.
Maybe I should go back and visit some of that again, but there's
gotta be some I think i'd probably go for a medieval era sort of situation
or something like that. That'd be fun. I'd either want to do Pirates
or I would revisit the only thing I remember. Actually, there's a second
one I do. I think another good episode would be when the Canadians burned
down the White House. I think that'd be a fun episode to do you
remember that back in the day long time, Yeah, we burned down the
White House. Oh, that would be like the debut episode right there,
just kill our American audience. But then the third event, it's just Louis
reel because it's the only thing I remember from Social Guys. It's wild.
Yeah, yeah, that would be fun. Actually, I would love to.
Now I just want to make a movie where we cast someone as Louis
Reel like one of us, or we pick an actor. I think we
got to pick a hot like we need to. We need someone to do
not to you know, put down anyone else's acting performance in this room,
but can't be Louis. No, no, no, we need like a
Brad Pitt or something crazy like that. Nick Cage, he said, he's
a crazy guys. Nick Cage could work out, and that could work out.
I could see that happen there. I go, madd he's with us,
says dude, I hate social studies, even yes, even man,
I see in chat Taylor, are you gonna fourth Quatus that you also hate
social studies? Before we're get to social studies was one of the There were
a few things when I was growing up that I wanted to be palaeontologists because
I love dinosaurs, and then social studies convinced me that I loved history,
and I wanted to pursue being a historian. But I realized there's not a
lot of career profit opportunities in that. I realized that's more of a hobby.
And so that's something in my adult years now, I've really been pursuing
it. Like in the history and learning a lot more things, and so
I've really been latching onto that and it's just been such a passion to learn
those types of things. And I feel like that is very parallel to what
you do with crypto clues. I mean, you know, it's a different
sort of thing, but you're still doing a lot of research based on history
and dates. Like some of these episodes you're whipping out dates like left,
right and center. Yeah, yeah, and I think that's that's kind of
they go hand in hand in a weird, distorted way. Yeah, I
guess. Yeah. Yeah, Well, speaking of distorted, let's talk about
some war the way. Don't laugh. That's one of my best throw lines
ever. Bizarrow. I think you said last night bizarre. Yeah, you
mentioned you threw that word out. Bizarre really like where a car ride before
the movie, like in after the movie Bizarro movie, I can't picture Trevis
say no, maybe maybe I've been a way too long. Okay, no,
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That's like our second biggest episode of the month, which is like,
I guess it's only been twelve days, but still just in one day,
it's been been doing very well. So that's been tons of fun. So
yeah, go check those things out. Lots of good times here. Did
we have a good time with this movie? I don't know. I guess
I will go first so I can make sense of what Taylor said. So
just a quick two minutes. This is a theater story. Me and Taylor
sat down as you can see Kirkland. We went to the west Side because
we're like, oh, whenever we're picking, Taylor is nice enough to usually
pick the west side so he can pick me up. I always say i'll
bust, but he's nice enough and usually west Side better TV or speakers and
screen whatnot. And we're like, oh, well, Kirkland's there, so
we can also see the movie. He like, I don't know, an
hour reforced. They couldn't make it. He's tired whatever, he's making another
shake clone. Who knows. But so we get there. How do you
purchased a ticket? He said he did, He said he did, but
really, wow, yeah, very rarely do any of us real back once
we've actually purchased the ticket. Why we're apprehensive If he's cover story one,
it's true. And then when we were in our chat trying to, you
know, figure out we're gonna play some card or some less this weekend radio
silence from him. He's gone, oh yeah, no, that has a
tight tight least has him on and let you know that, folks. But
anyway, so now I have a seat to my right empty, and our
theater smaller theater, but was actually pretty full. I was surprised. I
think they did think they were seeing the Second Civil War for Marvel, But
either way, it's full. And then I have this older gentleman and then
he's with two ladies and there's a seat in between me and him, and
this is when the night starts to go. Oh do you mind if we
just shift over and of course, like I'm not gonna make a big deal.
I'm annoyed in my mind of like, just stay where we are.
But I guess they want to be close to the middle, so he decides
to shift over. That's fine at all, and then before he starts a
movie. Oh and then he's like, oh, could I put my cup
in the cup ole here, which was completely not needed because there was no
one beside them, so they had extra couple holders. But alas I'm being
nice, I'm also at a civil War screening, so who knows what type
of Canadian I'm dealing with. They could be the running around with a flak
Canadian on the back of the trucks. I'm like, okay, give be
Western forces. They could be eastern Southern Canadian. Yeah, those southern Southern
Canadians. So I'm like, yeah, yeah, no problem. And then
a minute goes by and he goes, oh, you want some liquorice?
Liquorice? Bro, bro bro? How old is this sixty older? Six
older? So they're been browed by a senior citizen before. Yeah, So
then the previous start going complete general audience member beside me, because uh,
we got furiosa kingdom of the Plan on the Eights, and then Quiet Place
and a couple others, but for Furiosa, he said, this looks like
a bad Max movie. And then his wife like, it is a Mad
Max movie. Yeah, and she's like, oh no, it's not.
And then at the end it's Mad Max story. So I got a little
giggle out of that. And then Quiet Place. The trailer for the first
thirty second shows like all the scenes of the last Quiet Place movie, right,
and then at the end when it's quiet and that's like you know,
day one, he's like, oh, another Quiet Place. So he could
play like he seems like he's a fan, but he didn't understand the beginning.
And then on the top of that was came the planet Apes shows up.
It starts to a up another planet the Apes like he's excited, but
well, it was supposed to be a franchise. They go through the trailer.
Then they show Gorilla, a gorilla that's like a little bit bigger than
the rest of chimpanzees, but it's mostly just a regular size gorilla, and
he goes, oh, King Kong nice, And I guess in my mind,
general allience might think, you know, they just did King Kong versus
Godzilla. Maybe he thinks King Kong isn't Planet Apes, but yeah, he
thought King Kong was in the next Plant Apes movie. And that's why at
first I thought, oh, this guy's gonna be similar to Dylan's dad,
where I'm gonna get some good laughs. But then this is where I said
he was bizarre of Dylan's dad, because then he became very annoying that kind
of room. He's a guy that purps, and just like just out in
public, urps. He time he'll pick up his popcorn, he'll eat it.
And Taylor could hear this beside me, He's two rows from the guy.
He'll put the popcorn down then, so to get the kernels out,
He's just oh yeah, so it would be fine. It wasn't fine,
but it'd be like gone for fifteen minutes and the quiet be fine. And
it's the type of annoying guy that I don't think he knew. But then
when I saw him pick up that bag, went oh, no, he's
gonna eat the popcorn, and no one, his wife, his daughter,
no one would just say o, hey, like don't do that. But
yeah, just like serious stuff. Jesse plemms give him some sort of this
whole paragraph. It's not like he was making out with someone like he was.
He was using that tongue. He's going hard on that tongue like.
Good for his wife, I guess she's having a good time. But yeah,
theoreticate everybody. As always. As for the movie, I really enjoyed
the movie. It was quite different. And I will say this in the
most nonspoil way possible, because I think it's definitely one if you have any
interest in a twenty four political thrillers, anything else Garland has done, this
is definitely somehow it's most like grounded think because the things before have been as
whatever. Men was an ex macana, which is a robot ai and stuff.
Right, this is could happen our times, I will say, And
this is where I definitely need a second watch. I'm unsure how I feel
on a multitude of things. I don't think there's anything in here that's like
bad bad. I have some critiques, but I thought very very intense movie,
especially the third acting on that is you were on the edge of your
seat the whole time. Is disturbing, intense. It is a much like
I think it's a better version of Men where Men was intense, but eventually
like, Okay, this is too much like this. It almost is the
same thing where he's doing a thing over and over again. But I appreciate
this much more. But what threw me off? And we reviewed that one
trailer, and I think they put out a second trip, but I don't
think we ever reviewed, and I never watched it, so I'm not sure
if you guys could see anymore. But I guess what I was caughugh guard
about is this movie is you know, a civil war. You have a
Central American Western American. Right, that's how they divided them. I think
in the movie. No, I think, well it was the Western forces,
and then I don't think they like I think it's just the government is
like the other side. But at one point Plemens, he's like, are
you central American or something American? He they do he does like there is
like a right, and oh, I think I think he was just being
racist in the Okay, So either way, there's a division of America,
right, all these countries and there's a few on the fray that haven't decided,
and I was very interested in that plot point. But the thing is
this movie is like if you were to watch the Lord of the Rings trilogy
but only see Mary and Pippin's story. That's not a bad thing, because
Mary and Pippen are great and they got a great story. But I was
under the impression, of course the journalists would it would be about them and
the catalyst, and I thought we'd learn a lot more about this world in
the system. You really don't like the bad. Like the plot line of
the Americas in the Civil War and they're split is very much just the background
of what our characters are going through, and it's about journalism. It's about
how we've become dumb to things. It's about kind of nightcrawler in a sense,
where you're pushing people aside to get your way. It's kind of a
big morality of how numb have we become to a certain amount of violence and
what will we do for clicks and everything. So I still liked it,
like the Mary and Pippen equation, I did not think it was bad.
I guess I have some critiques, but it was not the movie. I
thought there's stuff like, I don't know, it might be a minors boil,
but like you never actually learn why America's frayed you know, you never
do. You don't know if the president is a dictator or this is like
he's being upheaved by bad people. You really don't know, and that's what's
interesting. I was expecting a little more of that. So that's where for
me at this review. This is definitely one of those where I wish I
would have a second watch, or even a few more days, but it
will require a second one. For who i'd recommend it. I think,
like I said, those those people up top. I think the beginning's like
a little slow. They are setting stuff up. So I think it's good,
but there was about half an hour of okay. I think we could
have sped up maybe a little bit, but I don't know. Overall,
great performances, some great, some really great acting, and that third act
is very, very just immersive a bad in a bad way in sense of
like how they do it like it's good. They do it in a good
way, but you feel bad while watching it. So not the movies I'm
expecting. But I still liked it. But I'm interested to hear everyone else's
thoughts and talk about because yeah, I was. I've been struggling with this
the past twenty four hours. So what do you think, mister Muss.
Yeah, I really liked kind of the way you described that there, because
I feel like I definitely came out of this movie and even halfway through and
I'm experiencing it was a lot different then I was expecting. And it's a
weird journey where from the first trailer or two I saw, I was like,
ah, like, I don't know if I like this shift. Even
though if Men was like kind of a strange movie, I liked how weird
and different, Yeah it was, and this feels like a bit more I
don't know, maybe more too topical, or like something a bit more generic
or something. I think it definitely isn't that, but that's the perception I
had. And then I don't know what it was. In the last like
three or four weeks, for whatever reason, I was just like I really
want to see this. I don't know what that turning point was there.
I don't think I ever watched the other trailer, but something shifted in my
mind. But yeah, I definitely didn't really know that the what this movie
was gonna be about in terms of like the mint to minute of it,
and that this is kind of like a road trip movie. It's like a
journey. It's a movie about the journey and really diving more into the minds
of these characters rather than yeah, like the overarching plot of like what's actually
going on politically, And I think that really worked for me. But I
definitely understand where you're coming from too, or maybe you wanted a bit more
of that backstory. I think that comparison you made to Nightcrawler that was what
I was thinking of, which is a great movie that I really want to
watch again because I've only seen it once. But this idea of just like
this character really pushing himself for like the absolute limits, taking like these huge
risks just to get that the money shot, and it kind of it's kind
of even similar to like the guy in Nope. That's like a subplot about
that one guy who was trying to get like trying to get the most dangerous
shot of all time. And I find that really compelling. And then further
in that, I think they did that like with the way it's edited,
with the way it's shot, I thought they really nailed that idea home and
certain action sequences occurring and then you'll just have the shot broken up by like
seeing those photographs that they're taking in this moment, and having these two characters
who are the main photographers and seeing their different shots and it's obvious which ones
are which because one's black and white, ones in color. And I thought
that was like a really great way to develop both these characters who have like
this very parallel life that we're kind of being set up for a lot throughout
the movie. So yeah, I think that element of it just really surprised
me this coming out of it. I feel totally different than what I thought
this movie was gonna be about. And I'm really glad I saw it.
I think this is really really great on all sides of the acting. As
you mentioned, all that cinematography stuff is really great. Like, I don't
know what the budget for this thing is, but it seemed really expensive because
every shot seems so authentic. It's like twenty million or something, because like
it's a twenty four. But maybe I'm wrong, maybe actually no, maybe
I am actually think wrong. I think it's like seventy five million. Yeah,
it's gottaven more than twenty Yeah, but yeah, I like that just
goes to show how authentic everything felt. There's so many explosions and like helicopters
flying around and gunfire in the background, and all of it looked really really
great, and certain shots just really stood out in my mind. I think
the music choices in here were really good too, or a lot of like
maybe what seemed like more upbeat, happy songs, but there was like something
unsettling about them. There's a lot of just like not jump scares, but
almost like that. In terms of like the editing, You'll just go from
like a quiet moment to like immediately in the middle of a battlefield with like
gunshots going off, and it really shocks you in a way that I think
is once again really just hammering home the whole idea of the whole thing.
So I just thought it was like a really cohesive vision. So I was
really happy with it, really surprised at how much I enjoyed this fifty.
I was there was the middle choice, not twenty five, not seventy five,
but fifty. So there you go, and that that makes sense because
I remember being eight twenty four's biggest movie, but it's projected to be the
first ever movie to be number one of the box office for a twenty four
So and Arthur what was your theory, Like, don't like size, because
yeah, Arthur, we were in the smaller one of these stream but it
was still pretty full for ours. Yeah. I saw it today at like
one pm, which is a weird time, and I was in a very
small auditorium and it was like half full. So I don't know. It's
the Friday showings the midday are always weird because usually I'm in like a small
little room like bow Is Afraid. I feel like there was only like twenty
seats total, and it's like half of them were full. That's stole like
ten people. So I don't know. It seemed busy enough. Yeah,
yeah, mister Field, Uh well, I mean wearing the same shirts going
to this movie with you. I knew with this is gonna be a good,
a good, good time. But you want to give some context for
people that I won't follow you on Twitter. I was I was going to
pick up Twitter our Discord you can get it there, Yeah, go to
go to Discord. I was going pulling up to Travis's house and I see
him standing in his driveway ready again and he gets it. I'm like,
oh, don't we look cute together? Because I pulled my jacket. Aside,
I'm wearing X Men ninety seven shirt and he's wearing an X Men ninety
seven shirt. You know, just go check out those reviews. Great great
stuff. Everyone of the theater is like, I'll look at this cute couple
where yeah, I hit my jacket for the Marvel movie. Please like this
this is a soore No, I'm that's that's long gone, babe. I
put on my hoodie before we gone there, Like I'm not matching at this
guy. Uh, but yeah, this this film, the I mean,
you guys have highlighted some really really great points, and I think that the
trailer definitely does make you think that it's going to be one thing, and
when you're actually watching this film, you're really getting a different experience and getting
to see it in this different perspective from these characters. I think allows us
while we're not we're not press, we're not media or anything like that.
We're just people watching this as as entertainment. We're looking for entertainment, and
so when we're watching this, I think that the things that are very disturbing
and graphic, but they're very ah, not blind to it, but they're
not receptive to it. And they're just they're there. Those things are very
heavy for us, and I think that makes it a lot more engaging of
a film for for for us to intake and to watch this stuff, because
there's some visuals that are very disturbing and very graphic, and it just makes
it a lot more heavy and allows to see these characters think Wow, these
characters when the one times that occur that they do react and other times that
they don't. Again, we're just we're watching this and we can really think,
wow, this is just this is crazy, and you can really you
can really just feel all these different moments. It was full of just really
really heavy scenarios. And the thing that's the thing that I do want to
know more about is just, yeah, what led to these kind of political
setups here? And the backstory and just trying to like google it after watching
the movie and trying to research more, you don't really get much aside from
that math I got. I got some good redd le you guys wouldn't believe.
We got guy you know, he was he was really friendly, joined
this website, I got the password. But I think that ultimately this this
movie, it creates of course a unlikely if you've you've seen the trailer and
you've seen the maps or whatever. It creates this unlikely alliance between two of
these these states in the United States. But there's there's just some very interesting
things here that I think, you know, I'm not saying that this is
what's ever gonna happen, but who knows. The world is not very much
an ideal place right now, and I think this film serves as a really
good template for people to open their eyes. And I feel like at the
same time, it might serve as a template that you can give people ideas,
hopefully not taking the joke around are gonna you don't, well, you
don't. You gotta be careful, you gotta be really careful. But I
think that this if this movie can the way that it's tackled, and it's
not just from like a like a Broie sense for people to shout the action,
the military guns and all that stuff, and that that can be the
wrong kind of incitement. But when you see it from a perspective of some
one that's just trying to capture these horrific situations and these horrific scenarios, and
I think that it puts a different light on it a different perspective where people
can see this and think, you know, this has a sense of realism
to it while it's creating the dystopian future. Of course, there's still a
lot of moments in this that are intense, that are very real, and
that happening in today's society. By then, the larger overarching narrative of this
movie, which is just crazy to think about. I don't feel like it
is far fetched. Of course, they created certain things because they wanted to
make this a movie, and it's Hollywood whatever. But that's the scary thing
is that society is just at this point where things are they're peaches and cream
in some parts of the world, and I like all that it's represented in
some parts of this movie, but throughout this film, the fact that we
could turn on a dime and things could turn into this crazy dystopian outcome,
it's just it's terrifying to think that. And at its core you see crazy
stories about like zombies and other world ending things and movies and whatnot. And
I think it's the basic baseline that this movie tackles is that we are our
our just we're one of our worst enemies, and you really see that emphasized
in this in this film, and it's just it's terrifying. And yeah,
I think the the I could keep going on and on and on, but
I'll just I'll wait for spoilers. But I think I think all the actors
and actresses did great. I think they really did fantastic. Well, no,
again, like I said, like to your point, that's where I
was prepping people. There's no like last act, big twist of all this
not supernatural, but some weird reason of why this is happening. It's like
legitimately, like the way this movie proposed is like this, these are things
that could happen, right, like with the military and how things are divided.
I think it's smart with certain countries because I know that's been the meme
of like, oh well Texas and California, they'd never get together. I
think that's why they chose certain countries to make it seem like whatever issues are
happening in this movie or not the issues that our world is going through technically,
right, it's something that like in real life, Texas and California very
far right, I should to the other side, very far left, very
far right. It's like, well, what would they agree on, but
this is putting them in a situation where well, however, they got to
this point somehow California and Texas agree on this. I think that's where it's
smart. But I do agree where Unfortunately, I think where we are in
the world, especially with the state close to us or the country close to
us, it is like the most plausible, like January sixth is the thing
that happened, you know, a new president took over and then there's a
big tack, right, So it's just like it's not that far fetched,
which is a scary thing. And I think that's why. Yeah, this
did get kind of joker thing if I go, I don't know, if
you just see this movie. But luckily our theaters are okay, no,
no, no Canda civil War. You know, we just agree that South
was bad and that's it. You know. They did mention that seems like
it would be pretty good for our Canadian dollar if this were to happen.
Though, awesome, great, we're now people come in US and we can
finally get you know, I don't want I mean the exchange rate right now,
I mean dollars pretty it's pretty high for the usd Yeah, definitely,
you mean low or wait, which would you mean it? Jane, dollars
high? Remember when you look at those prices, like an xbox and in
America is like what like four nine? In Canada it's like five ninety nine
or like Okay, so maybe maybe I'm just been in my whole life.
I thought the phrasing would be the other way around, that'd be low.
Because we're getting so much. I don't even know what the prasing is.
I just know what Taylor means, so that's why I appreciate it. Yeah,
there you go. Well, Asha, and we are gonna get in
spoils. So if you've not seen this, may think all of us recommend
this in one way or another, and I think the way like, I
don't know, it's tough. It go in with a with an open mind,
and if you're unsure about it, Yeah, I definitely catch it on
VOD but definitely go check it out. I think we all say that.
So we will be right back after this, and we'll we're meaning full spoilers.
Okay, we are back, So where do we You know what I
actually want to start. Kristen Dunce. You know, Kristen Dunce is somebody
like a fine wine has just gone because like I love Kristen Duntz honestly,
like a kind of hero of all our childhoods. But like I'll fully admit,
when you back and watch those Spider Man movies, it's not like her.
It's not like Garfield and Emma Stone right where Emstone I felt already was
like a really really great actress. I think Dunce is good in those movies,
but they're also the script They're much more like cheesy and schlocky right where
I feel like if I would have watched that at that time, I don't
know if I would have thought, oh, she could do stuff like she
does in Civil War. But I think she does such a good job at
being lead and the toughest thing any role to me in Hollywood is just to
play the everyday guy, gal, person whatever, like the person that's the
best. As Tom Hanks, he can be on screen and he just you
buy that, Oh, that's a guy that lives in our world. I
think she does that so phenomenally, but by choices, and I think she
makes good subtle choices, whether it's at the beginning when she's very strong,
was at the end when she's freaking out. I think she was a real
MVP here, and I was really happy. Not that I think she's back,
because I've seen her get bear Bear throughout the years, but just like
it's she's just like she's like like tuned all her acting sensibilities so much more
like the time that we've seen her, you know. And it was a
very really good lead performance, really welcoming lead performance, a lead that I
like because I think at times these characters are like, I won't say unlikable,
but there are times where you just go, eh, like I'm not
fully on board with you guys, you know. Yeah, No, I
was very impressed by her. Like for a character who has to for all,
say, like seventy seventy five percent of this movie is like meant to
be an emotionless character who's like completely cut off that side of her brain to
just do what she does. The fact that she's still able to just like
have you captivated to the screen and really invested in the character is just so
impressive. I think it is through those like kind of subtle choices that you
mentioned too, but then it adds so much to the moments where she does
get to I guess have more of like a bigger performance or even just like
once again the little subtle thing when they go to that little town and she's
just like trying on a dress and like, yeah, you know, this
whole movie, you don't see her smile once, like maybe a tiny little
smirk or something like that, but that's like, yeah, it is such
a big moment. Even then it's like a tiny little smile that she gives,
but it's still like so earned, and you're kind of rooting for her
in that moment and like this one moment of levity in the whole thing,
and then obviously, yeah, the whole sequence at the end. I'm sure
we want to break the down as a whole sequence, but yeah, I
getting into that too. I felt like it was it was earned, but
it was also kind of unexpected because of how like one note in like a
in a good way, in like a specific way she had been with her
emotions. So yeah, yeah, just I totally agree with you too in
terms of, like I feel like I've not really seen her much beyond like
Spider Man, and definitely not in a long time, so it was cool
to see her just do something completely different. I think she was like perfectly
cast for this role. She really encapsulated what it was supposed to be.
And go look at Christen Hun's interview. She's such a badass. I remember
a couple of years ago that like they did this round table of Hollywood actresses
and you can look at I'm not taking shots at them, but they're all
like, oh, yeah, I'd really like to work with more female directors
and christs. It's like, I make sure I work with like four women
directors, and then I work with one dude, and then I work with
four. And she says all this stuff like just this past time too,
She's like, yeah, I'm never gonn botox with plastic surgery, Like I
don't want to look like a weird, crazy person. I talk about the
Emily all the time. When I see people, it's like, no,
just please, just I get it, you're in Hollywood. But like Christian
Nuts is like turn out to be one of the coolest people. And yeah,
it was. It was great to see her here. And uh,
I thought she did a good job. And I thought the whole crew had
a good chemistry together. You know, yeah, absolutely, Taylor, Yeah,
I I the only things that I think I've ever seen her in is
uh bring it On and the Spike Man. So it's really really awesome seeing
her in this film. I think she did great and my fa one of
my favorite things too. It's just her. Yeah, her chemistry with everyone
else I think was fantastic and her her calm stoicness, just like when you
first are introduced to her character and this is like the young uh photographer press
girl that'll we get to know in this movie together and takes that baton to
the face and like Kristen Christian's character just goes in and like tries to like
help her. Yeah, that was that was crazy, and then the bomb
goes off. It's just but she's immediately just she's in there and she's photographing
and photographing, and I like, it's it's it's it's interesting because you see
the young girl like she photographs Kristen Duns in this situation that it was her
name. Great, she photographs Kristen again at the very end, we'll talk
about that that outcome. But yeah, she's her character is just yeah,
very very very intense, and I loved how things just transition. For It's
like the more time she spent with Jesse the more she like she became like
that younger version of who she used to be, almost And I just I
like that. I like that transition between the two characters. I like that
a lot. Yeah, it was like a it was like a parallel storyline
in that way, but like reversed, which was really cool of Yeah,
obviously, Kay Jesse at the start of the movie is, you know,
just new to this world. Not she's twenty something. I don't mean like
a newborn baby, I mean like new in this world baby, and is
obviously very affected by everything she's seen. Emotionally, she like can't handle it.
She does a good job of holding it together early on, with Curson
Dunn's character being like the complete opposite of that, and I love that just
as the course of the movie goes along, like they kind of switch roles
where by the end of this like it's almost like heartbreaking how much Jesse is
like cut off from her emotions in that final sequence. It's disturbing, really,
But then it's been like the opposite journey. I thought was was really
cool, And I like that comparison. You may have just like, yeah,
seeing her seeing it as like her younger version of her younger version of
herself, which is obviously like really almost like on the nose too much,
perhaps from Sammy where he's like really laying it on thick of like, oh,
you guys are like the exact saying, this is exactly how you were,
I remember you twenty years ago, this is exactly how you were.
You know, everyone needs a chance, Joel was saying to the other guy.
So they're obviously like really laying it on. But I think it I
think it really worked for what is like a really intense just like last few
minutes of the movie. Yeah, like I said, it's weird, but
it's like a freaky Friday body swap type of movie, but in a serious
manner right where they both start in completely opposite places and then they swap at
the end. And I think for the most part it's done well. And
I was I was caught off guard when I gotta get Christenin's character here,
what was it would Lee? Yeah, when she like and the whole third
act, which I know we'll get into, but when it is that moment
where she's pretty much freaking out the whole time and Joel's just kind of having
to take her place to place very similar to again what he was doing Jesse
at the beginning. But there is that moment where she finally clicks in,
like her brain goes off where it's like, oh, we can get this
scoop like what we've been waiting for. Right, But I wasn't expecting that.
It just kind of like that happens all the time, that can happen
to anybody, right, But I thought and I thought it was done well.
I like that she wasn't like yelling or crying about like it was.
It was the right amount of sometimes like no one no, it would just
look like she was sometimes just undercover from fire, right, But really she's
just like a shell of herself and she doesn't want to do anything in that
moment. So I liked that it wasn't and there's crying. Of course he
was down, but it wasn't just the whole time. There's choices and it
was kinda in and out and you know, she eventually snapped to it,
and yeah, yeah, I think the timing too, was was perfect.
Of like just losing Sammy, who's clearly I mean someone who's known her for
like twenty plus years, known her a long time and she's literally just having
to wipe his blood off the seat of the car and she has to like
squeeze out the blood. Yeah, and it's like so and that's like that's
the scene right before that moment. So clearly it's understandable why she's so thrown
off because she's just seeing like first tend not just so Sammy, but also
those two other guys who she obviously is known for a few years. Yeah,
that like how real this shit is and this is like the biggest war
zone she or any of them have really been in before, closer than they've
ever been. So yeah, I think there it's cool that there is that
moment where she kind of clicks in, but even then, it's not like
she she's like grown, she changed in some way, because she's not just
completely turning off everyone else and just focusing on the shot. Like she's still
obviously sacrifices herself. She's still looking up for Jesse in that moment. So
I like that there's she goes back to her old ways, but she still
is clearly like changed in this adventure with her for the last few days.
And that's why I was kind of transition because I saw him about this with
Taylor, and this is where I'm like, I need a second watch and
my issues with maybe the Sacrificer or maybe just Joel in particular where we meet
Joel seems like he's just friends with Lee. They don't even insinuate that,
like they've been like romantically involved in anything. Just looks like they're partners,
right. Seems like he's kind of a flirt with everybody else. He's a
very kind of loose free guy, and he's just like almost a source guy
or like the interviewer because he doesn't take pictures because I just find it funny
at like many times he's just like he has them by the car and he's
like directing them around. But he's usually near the end. He definitely is.
But for the most part he's like never really in the line of fire
like everybody else kind of is, which is like might kind of fit with
some of it, like running a news and he's not running, but you
know, he's kind of the I don't know, the thinker. I don't
know, but either way, I think they give us enough where Okay,
he's not a complete ass. Sole seems like that time he's a little care
free, but he cares about the multiple people when sorry, what's that guy's
name again? That dies Sammy. So when he dies, that's where my
hold up was, he has such a huge emotional reaction where that's why I
need to watch it again. Maybe I can head canon. That's just they
are such in the moment and you get the president. But I just found
it so odd that when Kristen duns when Lee does die, I feel like
there's almost like no, no even pick up on it. There's no almost
like they kind of look and then they move on, and I get the
point and I almost can't buy it and be fine with Jesse's character, but
with Lee because there's a scene of him at the military just literally with a
cigarette, screaming out into the open, right, And that's where I found
it, like to me, they were at least in sinuway, and these
two were also still very good friends, right, So that's where the little
disconnect point from that was the disconnect for me at the end where I don't
need them crying and falling to their knees, but just a little bit where
it felt like this was just a random like that newscaster who had the mic,
just feel like, oh, that was hurly Outshaw and they had to
move on. So I wish there was a little bit more with him,
and even with Jesse, like she does look shaken up, and I get
that they need the story, and I get that's the point, right they've
gone so hardcore. But with Joey's been doing this for a while and less
than twenty four hours we saw him have this huge reaction. And now maybe
someone might say, oh, well, they might do that after the fact,
but I only have that with the movie, right the movie ends,
which I think is cool. I love that the editing the end credits is
literally like the military standing over the present, like a hunting photo, right,
like really dark the photo just developing in front of Yeah, like really
cool dark imagery. But that was something that I'm still it's not negative.
I just need to sit on and watch again because I'm a little iffy on
it because when Dunk goes, she's just okay, that's it, and then
they move on. So I think the differences between those situations is you had
again, he had a great relationship obviously close with Lee. You have Sammy,
you have those two other individuals that died too that he was good friends
with. It seemed like that was all like, that's three people on Tonnell
that he was all almost in. But you have the three people that he
was friends with, and on top of that, he feels immediately that their
deaths were for nothing because the opportunity was already passed, and so he's freaking
out. He's getting drunk. Now, he's just getting worse and worse,
and he's really really pissed off and upset because they died for nothing and their
opportunity is wasted. That's it. In this situation, he thinks, oh
my god, there's a chance here, I can actually make their lives count
for something. I can actually get here, I can do this, and
he's fulfilling it. I think that's why he left Lee behind too. He's
like, this is it. I can go and I can get my quote,
and he's that's I think that's the interesting and fascinating thing because you see
it with Jesse earlier on when she's saying like I've never felt so would she
say alive but so scared in my entire life, and when Jesse Plemmons was
basically whole about to like gun her down. So I think that that's again
that rush of being alive and you see or moving through the streets and moving
up with the military. I think that's just the sensation being in the moment
and just like pulling through and get in. It's like this is the President's
here, like and no one else is here, no reporters are around,
like this is it. This is our chance. We just got it,
got through the White House, like holy shit. So how do you guys
feel about the About the final quote from the president? I think I was
maybe expecting something a bit more, And I don't know if because the President
says something along the lines of like can you get them to stop? Right?
He don't of them kill me? Don't let them kill me? Yeah
I don't. Okay, Yeah, that's so clearly didn't. Clearly didn't impress
on me because I ready forgot what it was. But and that's where it's
interesting, because I don't necessarily have this critique. As I've seen the movie,
I go, okay, I get what they're going for. But when
the critikause first, the movie came out a massive praise, and then there
was this wave of people saying, well, not like a negative or that
it's bad, but just that it kind of cops up because it doesn't really
pick a side. And that's why I could see some people have like the
quote should be like it's almost like you're looking for something more meaningful, but
of course, like anybody's gonna say, hey, don't let them kill me,
right, So I think it's almost that thing again where he's not drawing
a line, because if you haven't say anything about the conflict or the war
or what's going on, you start to shed some light on certain things that
clearly the director didn't want to. If you think that's a pro or con,
that's up to you. But that's where it was at of like like
the quote being like, Okay, don't let them kill me, and you
run that like what does what goog? Would that do? The paper like,
oh this is what the like anyone could make that up, right?
So I do agree with you to an extent that I was waiting for a
bit more hootspa on the line. But I don't know if that was just
the point where it's just any like anything from the president is like a headline
because we killed Like it's just like a success one. Like he like it's
almost like he's saying that he comes off as pathetic. So that is fitting
that the president would say, please don't kill me. So again, it's
somebody I need to sit on. But I'm with you where I'm not like
sold on a complete Yeah, I guess I'm thinking about too, Like when
him and Sammy are in the car during the road trip and they're talking.
There's multiple scenes about this where there's kind of speculatively, Oh, what questions
should we ask them? What are the good questions? Yeah, but like
when they're doing that, that's a different that's when they think that they're gonna
sneak in there and get like some question out of him, when the situation
is not gonna be undecided, Whereas at this point, you know, we
have to imagine that like once the president is shot down, like the Civil
War is over. I'm sure there's still a lot of turmoil. It's gonna
be happening, but I guess it's like a different situation when he actually gets
there. Maybe that changed why he chose to choose to have that question.
But yeah, I guess for me, it's not like it fell flat because
the whole Nion sequence is so well done. But yeah, even still,
I'm left a bit wanting perhaps I don't know, maybe that's maybe that's the
point. What I did like about that sequence zone what I appreciate throughout the
whole movie is that the press is at all times looked upon very not highly,
but other than the plumbing scene, like important because it's almost as both
sides want it documented so they can say they were right. So the fact
that they're about to kill the president and Joels One says no, like he
yells them like, don't you dare do like and they all stop, like
these are military, like they're much more high. Well, actually don't know
if they're higher on the food chain right now, right because I feel like
each side wants their photo, the interview, the quote, whatever. So
it looks like when they're coming out of the Civil War, the Central America
or South America, whatever it is, that oh, the press was here
to document this, and we're in the right because we have this, and
that's what was so fascinating. Of course, the press dies, but it's
never like okay, like even in our wars nowadays, like even when like
nine to eleven happened, press weren't safe. It wasn't like people weren't gonna
not kill the press. If they're if you're there an American, you're gonna
get shot, right, But in this and obviously they're all Americans, but
with this, they have their hats on their vests, and of course they
could get shot, could be in danger, but it's it's never like it's
it's they'll be twenty soldiers shooting and there'll be someone taking a photo, and
the opposition is never shooting at the press. They might cover because there's bullfiring.
And that's what I actually really liked is a choice that they put the
press so high. And that's one Pazza I did. Haven't scene that he
controlled the room, which I wasn't thinking what ever happened, because at times
they are like you, dude, I say, you move with me,
so they're kind of talking down to them, but not really they're just working
with them. So I appreciated that aspect of the press almost being having a
if you had that badge and you had a helmet and you had the press
on the van, you almost had like a like a safety pass, you
know, like I get a jail free card, which I found was interesting
choice. And they were treated like VIPs. I thought it was. It
was crazy, like they're like they're giving like their their hand signals to them
as they're moving up staircases and coordinating, and I felt like they were not
press I felt like they were actually just members of the squad. And I
guess they're doing their own type of shooting with their own type of tool or
like handheld device. But it was really really crazy. Yeah, if anything,
that felt like the most heightened sense of reality of the whole thing,
or the only thing that didn't feel entirely realistic. And maybe that is realistic
and I just have no freaking clue what's going on, but it did feel
it did feel bizarre, like, yeah, how included they were from like
both sides of it too, And I guess I see that side that,
Yeah, they want like I don't know, history is told by the winners,
that sort of thing, and they want them to be there with them,
and so it's it is weird or I guess it's interesting then to see
a character like Jesse Plemmons in there, and of course he has a character
name, his name is not Jesse Plemons, but to have someone in there
like that who does not give a shit, it's like, who even is
he associated with? I think they ask him that he kind of like passes
off the question. So yeah, yeah, it was kind of weird,
but yeah, I think that was very intentional too. It just the way
the way they were like following the command, like you know, they were
jumping behind walls or like tactically moving across things that they the right times.
Like, it felt like that was a very intentional thing. And maybe part
of the vision of it is like how much power do press have in how
we all feel about the results of wars and battles and things like this.
So I think that's a pretty poignant I was gonna say, if you were
to put whenever, it would be in America right left, for US,
conservative, MVP, liberal, almost every side is going to have people like,
oh, well, I can't trust the press. The press is all
like they're feeding us bullshit, right, And that's the funny thing where we
all go to the press. It all give us information, but there's always
this sense of can you trust them? But I think that's absolutely what you
said, and that's what they're going for, is like the press do get
to control the narrative, whether it's right or wrong. That's why they are
important because they can like you said, after the war, make a narrative,
whether it's right or wrong, and that's that is definitely and that's why
I wasn't thinking that. I knew that our characters were gonna be journalists when
we were watching like the trailers and going into this, but I didn't really
know the movie was gonna be almost about that, right, And I think
it's more a message on the press nowadays and everything versus what America is gonna
do, which I think there's somethings there. By the way, Jesse Plum's
chacters does not have a name. It's unlisted, which makes sense. I
was gonna say listed as actor. I was like, god damn, but
no. I think that's especially true in this heightened world where they've talked about
how like the they're like their cell phones don't work, or at least they're
not connected to a network anymore. It's obviously there's still like internet access because
the journalists in that one journalist hotel, which I thought was this funny idea,
there's one place that all journalists tend to go, probably because it has
a good internet connection so they can upload their photos. But then so there
obviously it sucks there too. Remember she's like, oh it's so slow,
and like, yeah, it cuts out the power. So yeah, Like
even though there is still some you know way that people are connecting across various
states or whatever, like, there is still that connection, but there's definitely
a lot less of it, and so that probably puts even more of a
focus on what the press says, and people are looking towards that as information,
and the more engaging the press can be by getting these better shots or
having these better stories and having the better quotes, there are gonna be the
things that circulate more, especially in this time when there's a lot less circulation,
which that really makes you think if something like this were to go down
and we had like, you know, not sort connections that we do now,
or I can't just go on discord and ask you guys, like what's
going on or something like what what would we believe? Or how would we
choose what to believe? It's kind of interesting. I think I'd like as
sad as I mean sound in the movie, I feel like I'd have to
be like Lee's parents and Jesse's parents, where you're just gonna farm and pretend
it's not happening. That might be the best course of action because and I
think it's almost a narrative too. On we see that all the time,
right, And we have the podcast like if you get your podcast review earlier
when they search for, you know, the Civil War review, the X
Men review, yours is gonna pop up first, right, So we're on
them. We're on a small scale, but that is the news today,
right of like people all the time like teams you gets and ship and they
don't care. They'll post announcement about people's celebrities death before it's even out there,
and the family doesn't want that, right, But because of the first
and it's out there, well, we kind of win, right. So
it's definitely that hotel everything and how competitive because even with Sammy, they're joking
about it, but he's like, oh, where are you guys going?
Like oh, like do you just want to know what we're up to or
exactly why are you asking? Right? And then you have Joel's friends,
so they're all friendly, but they're all almost trying to use each other or
sneak around and be like, oh where are you going? Oh I'm just
going to the front line. Oh I'm going there too. Well, actually,
we're reviewing the president, like there's this mini competition. Now there's just
that same way nowadays, but this is to the m degree because it's like
who you can get the best shot of someone dying or blowing up? Because
especially through some of those battle scenes, I think that first one when Jesse's
there and it's that image of they say it's like a good shot where the
guy gets shot and they're tourniquetting him and he's like holding up blood and stuff,
and they say, oh, it's a good photo. Good for like
they completely ignore the ramifications of it. But you can see how shell shock
she is in that moment, oppose the end where she's just popping off with
any photo of a dead guy, blown up person. It's completely gone,
even to the point where she photographs the death of Lee and just takes it
in for a moment. But this gets up and doesn't even actually look at
her once. When she gets up, I'm pretty sure she just walks up
and goes on. And I knew she Lee was gonna die because there's a
moment where they got split up and she takes a picture of Lee taking a
picture, and that's where I went, oh, it's over for Kristin Dunce.
That's the last photo of her. I know, it's almost like a
subplot, is like, yeah, the movie ends in a way where you
know, you're curious at what's gonna happen next. But I picture for sure
that Jesse made some sort of you know story about Lee showing all these images
that she had across from her, like from these because yeah, once again
she has that very first shot when they're in that like war zone, that
bomb goes off near that truck and she takes a picture of her taking a
picture. So I like that once again there she's just kind of documenting her
whole journey to her final resting place in that sense. And they allude that
she's one of the more like known journalists South. Yeah, right, because
like, oh, you're known from this and this on the Wikipedia page,
like they talk about that. Yeah, like Jesse says, you're on the
inspirations of why I'm doing this, which again that would never be me.
I'd love to talk to journalists, but I'm you and catch me out there
on the front lines taking photo crazy. But again that's all we're talking about.
The third act, That whole third act that is like I said,
I think the first act there's a little slowness. I really enjoyed the second
act from when we meet Plemmons and on, the whole movie is almost to
me out of ten. They take that break at that military camp, but
for the rest of it that the movie is at a ten. When they
got to go to Washington and they're especially too again about journalists. They're like
bringing about which landmarks they got on camera destroyed. But that was not cool,
but it was like it was it's crazy. It's it's the better version
of what I hate. And you know, because I know tell you love
these movies. But like when twenty twelve and they'll show like these landmarks being
taken down by a big storm or something like that, that's all good and
jests. But in this spectrum, when you see like the Lincoln Memorial and
you see if someone shooting an RPG out of it, it's like it's not
like all cool, awesome, it's like a holy shit, like it's it's
strange. It's very nine to eleven is of like putting that symbolism with things
that are landmarks today, you know, stuff that when we get movies is
almost like talking about things in the past. So between the getting there,
the street riots, getting into the actual White House on a repeat, to
those like four secret Service guys who had to stay with the president. There's
another worst shot, but that was intense. Every moment, every corner,
every flare, throne, flashbang, Like they did a fantastic job of just
making you feel that it's not a call do the Civil War action momenthere it's
like, oh yeah, big gunfight. It's like, you don't like any
of this's going on. You mentioned the photo is dilne, like that's almost
like a good pause, and then you're right back into it and it's loud
and it's screaming and it's bloody, like it's this is a movie where I'll
see they were never gonna do that, but it's something that like it has
to be radar, that you have to have all these things on the screen.
So it's just well done. When I feel like there's tons of war
movies up there and tons of radar movie, there's tons of violently look at
John Wick. We see people get shot all the time, but in this,
like when these people get shot, it's so visceral and just real it.
The third act Dept he's gonna stick with me for a while. Yeah.
The fact too that there's just a void of music, like, yeah,
there's probably no score in this at all that I think retrospectively. So
in I think the movie, I don't think there's any score at all.
I think it's just periods of war. Yeah, there's some score. Yeah,
Like I think even during the plumbing scene, like when the car pulls
up and stuff like that, there's some stuff going on. But I don't
think the third act there is. I did feel like the soundtrack was more
like purposeful and actually added more to the movie generally speaking than the score in
that sense, Like I don't think the score is impactful, But anyway,
I think the Yeah, Travis said, like the beginning, it definitely was
a slow burn, is building up to what it was trying to get to
in that narrative, which I thought was great. That whole third act was
just yeah, it was heavy. It was crazy, just how fast paced
it was and just what the helicopter descends into the streets and it's just firing
into the parcade. It's just it's it's pushing the troops forward and forward more
and more, and they're just they're going ahead, the reporters trying to capture
everything. It was just so intense and just absolutely crazy to see that.
And yeah, it's you see, as Travis mentioned, like the John Wick
and all these other action movies, but it's it just feels different the way
that it was shot cinematically, being so much closer and up front. Is
the way the cameras following everyone. It's almost like you're moving through the streets,
not like I'm like duck and leaning like dodge and bullets or anything,
but it just you feel like you're actually in this situation watching these things unfold,
and you, yeah, just being so close to what's going on,
like and RPG fires and blows up the one hum V and then all everyone's
group behind the other hum V and that humps backs up and they're all exposed,
like all our characters are with the second movie. So it's like,
you just saw what happened in that vehicle up ahead, And I think it's
good for the stakes because it's like, oh, just like that, it's
over, you know. Yeah, It's just it's like when they get into
the White House and you see, like this is some politicians on the ground
that obviously committed suicide out but before that, like they load up some VIPs
into the like the SUVs, and there's just they're a getting like gutting it
out there. It's like, man, there's tags all around, and these
guys are gonna actually make like a play for this is crazy. And you
just see the anger that's surrounding these this military that's getting closer and closer and
closer. And I guess the military here you're dealing with nineteen succeeded succeeded,
not like succeeding, but succeeded states from like the Americas. So you're dealing
with nineteen of the states that have just kind of like joined into the Western
forces. So that's basically And when you look at the map too, and
you see how it's kind of like like the top and then the bottom and
it's just sandwiched. Basically, they're kind of converging on on Washington, and
so like, look trying to understand a little bit more about that, and
I feel like in retrospect they drop subtle hints about why these states have kind
of risen up and why they've gotten kind of angry. And it can start
off where you see them mentioned that the president's on his third term. I
feel like that's obviously something that might be a little bit more of an in
line of a dictatorship. The FBI was disbanded for whatever reason, that's kind
of maybe a little questionable too, And that that's where I feel like when
people are like, he doesn't pick a side, you literally like, I'm
not trying to be that guy, but you literally have the last president be
like, well, maybe we could look into doing a third term. Like
it's like, I think clearly he's drawing Carling's drawing a line to like she's
like, oh, the FBI is looking into Trump. It's like, that's
what I mean. Like, I think that's why it Those are smart choices,
because it is. I just feel like if you read enough into hey,
we're talking about the history podcast, like the past couple of years,
it's allegories to things that have been said or spoken or rumored about. Right,
So it's like the third term thing that came up a couple of years
ago and everyone was like, what the fuck, dude, We've been doing
set in two terms for like ever, so I missed the third term.
I'm glad you brought that up. I caught the FB, I think,
but I missed that he was trying to get a third term, which yeah,
that could be. And that's why I like too, we don't know
exactly what the president. They never post like they just showed him. I
think. What I did like is they show him doing that, like what
is it, practicing the speech and then the end we get shot, But
there's not showing him like being a piece of shit. They're not showing him
like being super racist or doing all these things. So it's still a thing
of like, you don't know if killing this guy is the right thing.
Right, we see here these examples, but it's not like they made him
like a mustache totally, like every president practices their speech before they go on,
you know, So it's just like he's just a regular president. You
don't really know. And even then the stuff that you're talking about, like
the FBI and the third term something that could be true, But then how
much is something that just like maybe the press on one side putting that type
of stuff out right, You just don't know. So m hm oh,
sorry, go ahead, Dylan, h you go ahead. Well, they
they had an interesting mention too with with Antifa or Antifa, and I feel
like that's such an interesting debacle between left and right wingers in America these days,
and that was interesting. They talked about it in so past tense,
like like almost a like decades ago Antifa massacre, and it doesn't really add
context. Is okay, is this something like what type of massacred like that
was day or was this group that that did it? So the way I
took it as okay, the Antifa massacres, it sounds like it's something like
a hand that was dealt to this group, yeah, and their beliefs.
That's how I interpreted that though, I thought so yeah, and I just
took it as they happened like many years ago now, So that's why I
said, like, yeah, the problems that these people are going through are
not the problems that are happening in like twenty twenty. This is like two
thousand and forty or something like that. I wonder though, because I mean
that was seemingly I mean, I guess so I'm just thinking about like how
Jesse looks up to Lee as her hero, and if that was the event
that made Lee like this big figure just based on on Jesse's age, like
it was probably somewhat recent and when she was like old enough for that to
have meaning, you know, if that makes sense. But it also could
just be that she just went on heard about her for some other reason,
went hearn her Wikipedia and saw that that was the thing that made her famous.
But I don't know. I guess I took it as more of a
recent event, but who knows. Let's say her second had break and we
will keep the conversation going and we're back and speaking of just because you brought
her up, Yeah, big shout out to Jesse, because I've only seen
her in one thing. It was last year His Priscilla was that movie about
her, Priscilla and Elvis, where Jacob Lordi played Elvis, and I liked
the movie. I didn't like love it. I know Clay, you know
Patroon Clay, he's somebody that they actually loves that movie. So there you
go go. I think it's like a four or five stars. That's rare
for him days. Yeah. So but she was really good in this,
and tip if you liked her, she's one of the leads in the Alien
movie too coming up. So she's having Yeah, she's having a really good
time. And I thought she just brought. She's somebody we're gonna be talking
about many years. I think she talked maybe even this year, who knows.
But I just feel like with Golden Gigs, with other things, like
she's just getting started. She has a very good agent, and I thought
she was like perfectly cast. I'm not saying there's nobody else in the world
that could have done this role, but again, most of these people,
especially her and Dunce, I felt like we're felt the most real people,
not characters. I thought she did a good job all around. So I
just want to shut that out. But yeah, yeah, absolutely. I
don't know how much to i'd be on what we've said, but I think
she was. I think she was great. Oh yeah. I think that
the scenes starting off where we get to see her just paralyzed and just totally
like shook, like especially when she's beating herself up, like I totally forgot
I had a camera. I didn't take a single photo, like I was
just like I was just I was frozen. And after that where she's puking
in the car, everything that's just going on, She's just portraying this this
terrified intensity. Even when Jesse Plemons is just like grilling her and it's just
freaky, freaky, freaky stuff. But she did absolutely incredibly well with all
of those those shots. And I think at the end when she's just displaying
the confidence and she's just moving, maneuvering and doing things. I got angry
when she went right into the middle of the hall. But I mean,
damn good shot. I mean, but terrifying, like the the guys in
suits leaning out with their SMG's down the hall. But yeah, just eerie
too when she just took the photos of Christen's character Lee there when she's just
being shot, she got too confident, absolutely, Like I guess I get
it too that it took me out of it for a second. I guess
I was like, what are you even shooting in this moment? Like you
fell down and if Dunce wasn't there, you were just like shooting the roof,
you know. So that's one thing I get that either doing it for
the shot. I don't know if they were just she was just trying to
shoot her, but for just a split second, took me out for a
second. But it's okay, let's see what else I I Another scene that
I really enjoyed was when did they go to that that just regular town.
I forget if they had an aim for that town or city where they went
to when it just seemed normal. They're going through the streets, there's kids
walking, there's some old lady walk and it's like, clearly they turn the
saturation up. It's like a bit sunnier, like grass is growing and there's
a little car with like googly eyes on it and everything. It's just very
happy, chill place. They go into a store, like a clothing store
for the first time in a long time, and you get some lighthearded moments
there. But I love the ending of that sequence too, when Lee goes
back outside is talking to Sammy about it, and yeah, like, even
though this place seems like okay, wow, there actually is somewhere, there's
somewhere that's a safe haven. There's some places that are still together and are
functionally normally, but no, there's still some fucking dudes up with snipers up
on the roof that are making it this way. Who knows what it is,
but I think it's just like a good, unsettling end to what is
otherwise like a very wholesome scene. Yeah, So I thought that that was
a really nice sequence. Yeah, that was a fun reveal there because it's
like, who knows where they just wanted to be nice, but it's like
if anyone gets out of line over. But that whole place was good.
I like shoal with the hat. We already talked about the dress photo.
That was good of don't miss the perfect moment and you look the best in
your smile. I don't smile. She makes her smile. But you mentioned
before where I feel like the middle portion it's not exactly like this, but
there's almost shades of like an anthology movie. You get this little town,
you get that second one that they go to where it's the guys there on
the balcony, then there's the guys down below. There's like the Swallowking guys,
the military. Then them alow the just in regular clothes and they have
like the spray painted walls and everything, and they find that, yeah,
that soldier up top when they shot. Also, they get to that like
sniper scene moment where they just come across because I thought, oh, where's
the sniper gonna come? Their cars getting shot up, and then they got
a pull aside and it's a standoff. It doesn't lead to anything. It's
just like a thing that's happening in the world. So it felt like an
anthology or very much like in a video game when you stumble upon a side
quest and you're just like, oh, I'm gonna do this for a while,
and it's like, oh, now that's over. That was what you're
here. Here's surprize. So I actually appreciated just kind of these slices of
life or what the world would be like in this position. And because I
think it always hit me out with my toes, I'm like, well,
is this gonna be, you know, main story mission or is this a
side quest mission? And for the middle we took a lot of pass but
I thought they were all good for what we needed. And that sniper scene
very well done. I like the cinatography, a lot of the plants when
they're laying down, and the house and the Christmas aesthetics, so there's a
lot of good stuff there. Yeah. I really like that sequence one.
It was just it was almost like a good, like unsettling horror sort of
sequence where you know, and they look out there and they're like, there's
that. I think it's like a snowman or something on the side and just
like there a guy behind that. I didn't know it had its good,
but I was also one of those things it's like, okay, so it
seems like all this shit started like maybe in the winter when it was like
time and stuff's never got put away, which is kind of just a fun
little detail. And then also I just I love the dialogue from those two
sniper dudes when they're talking to them. They're trying to ask like who is
the guy in the house and who are you guys with, and like they
don't know who the guy in the house. They're not even therefore they don't
give a fuck. This is not even about the Western Forces versus the President
whatever anymore. It's just these people are just killing for fun at this point
or who knows what. So I thought that Jesus really really poignant scene,
and when it is also kind of funny too. I just I don't know,
those guys were kind of goofy. The whole sequences had something a bit
silly about it too. I had to look it up because I thought it
was the kid from Spy Kids, but I was wrong. It's not the
kid from Spike Kids. That would have been crazy. Yeah, he looked
like him a little bit. I think again that scene goes hand in hand
with the the the not of the oblivionousness, but just the Jesse's parents and
Lee's parents that are just turning a blind eye to to what's going on and
these people like they're turning a blind eye doesn't matter about science. And I
love that bit of dialogue. It's like, Okay, this guy in there
trying to kill us or trying to kill them, and he says he says
it like it's black and white, and that's that's a great way to put
it, and it's it is black and and I think it's just also a
human achilles heel. Just I think that so many problems could be solved if
you know, they used to to talk it out, but that's not the
case here. You're just dealing with, Yeah, they're trying to kill us,
and we're gonna kill them first. They don't give a shit about anything
else. That's just what it is. And I think that just speaks volumes
to like we don't give a shit about about them or anything like that.
And that's the same thing with people living out in the farm out in Missouri
or Colorado. Like I don't give a shit about what's going out there.
I'm just know that I just need to be here and just be out of
that and just survive whatever. So I think that there's there's different tones and
different different ways that they've kind of displayed and tell it, tell these different
little segments of the story, but it seems to be just a reoccurring theme
of again I don't know if oblivious and this is the right way to put
it, but just you you mentioned you guys mentioned it earlier on in this
review. But people just kind of staying out of this kind of stuff and
not wanted to be involved. And that's why again you have the media and
and everything like that, and people just wanting to keep out of this this
mess. M h. Yeah, we'll put a good sequence. Should we
talk about Owen? I was just gonna mention, like with with Plemmon's character
actor great actors. Yeah, I honestly don't know if I have much to
add because I feel like the trailer, like, I feel like I've seen
this scene a lot and there's not much more to it. There's a little
bit more, but I thought he was just so good in that kind of
smaller role that he was in, and yeah, that sequence definitely had an
intensity to it because I didn't know. I figured someone's dying in the scene.
I don't know what was and I you know, ultimately it was like
the two lower Stakes characters that died and then I guess, I guess also
Sammy did take the bullet from that sequence and that's what led to his death
overall. But yeah, I mean even just like Jesse getting smacked into that
fucking hole full of bodies, Oh so gross. See that's the stuff where
to me, the trailer was like a little taste and then getting the full
I don't know. It's almost like if you try a strong meal or a
strong soup and you're like, oh, like yeah, there's a flavor to
it. I don't know, and then you hit the whole bowl and then
once you're five things and you're like, oh, I don't like this,
like in a good way though, where it's like this is really fucked up,
because like I agree with you where it plays. I don't know if
the soup analogy made. It's a bad soup, but it's made well,
you know, or I don't know, if I've had a super I like
the first bite five bites. I was loving. It was like, something's
weird with this soup roll tape. I did not say you liked the first
bite. You're like, oh, like okay, like it was strong,
but you thought maybe you could get acquired to it. But I don't know
eventually though. That's where I agree that it does play like the teaser trap
of scenes. But to me, it's like it's like times ten the bodies
in there, because when they show the truck and they're loading some bodies,
you can see some other bodies in there, but you just might think it's
a couple. When she falls in there, there's piles and dozens and dozen
and bodies and just that one. Of course she is like the with the
girl's vomit after, which just gets me all the time. But I go
out the window. You know, what do you do around your seat there?
Poor Sammy has to sit there worse backs he'd ever vomit blood. Just
like that's like I saw trap going on. But when you have him,
just shoot that one guy right away, like really unprompted, like, oh,
who's this guy? He's my friend? Boom. That's what got me
off edge where I was like, I don't know for sure because I had
not remember the trail and I thought, okay, I imagine Dunce and jest,
you're safe. But I didn't know about Joel and I didn't know about
Sammy because I was like, well, I don't remember things good enough,
and these two are the main ones. So when he shot that friend right
away, and then of course he shoots the other guy because he's from Hong
Kong, it's And I also did not think sam who's just gonna realm with
the car? I didn't know how they were getting out of that. Yeah,
And that's what I appreciate where I was thinking of like, kay,
how is this gonna go? I feel like this guy, no matter what
they say, is not gonna let them go because they've said their journalists,
which I guess that was That's what and that's what I think was interesting what
we talked about right where usually it'd say, oh, why would you say
your journalists when there's a bunch of dead bodies around you. Of course you're
dead, they're gonna worry, You're gonna tell everybody. But in this world
that they've set up, if you say you're a journalist, no one touches
you. So I get why they would lead with, hey, we're press.
We're just here to do our job. We're interviewing somebody about a school
yet da But uh yeah, that's I don't know where we will be at
the end of the year. But I definitely got that in a best scene
for me Golden Geeks. That was just intensity. Plemings is so good.
Everybody's so good in that scene to build up, especially when we just pull
up and the car doors are empty or open and the thing's empty. I
was like, oh, man, I thought it could be that scene as
like, oh, this is gonna be think where they turned the corner and
they're fine, they're taking some pictures of deer. But no, it just
gets bad. And I actually like that Sammy died, not because I want
him to die, but it did give steaks to Okay, you hit them
with the car and you ran away. This guy again shot. It's like
we seen the movie so many times where they get away unscathed, and I
like that they didn't get unscathed, and obviously Sammy and all so just in
general they just were messed up from it, you know. So it was
yeah, very very great. It delivered. It delivered what I thought from
the trailer, so and I thought the suspense worked too prior to that scene
when when Jesse switches cars, which is such a dumb move, but she
was in the heat of the moment and that guy drives off, he leaves,
they can't find her, So I like, I think that worked well
too, of like what did he do to her? And obviously, you
know, I should not have called that guy out because he was he was
an innocent guy all along, but it was suspicious though. He drew so
far ahead, come on now, you know. So, yeah, that
that whole scene was just like you guys have said it was. It was
in the trailer, but adding so much more to it, and and Plemons
was just, yeah, he just delivered. He did not disappoint. I
was really taken aback when you just see the pit with all the bodies being
poured in there and there's just so casual and you're just the dialogue just it's
intense. It really really is intense. You don't know what side these guys
are really fighting for, and they're just assuming. Oh they're wearing uniforms,
so we know that they're probably like Western forces or whatnot. But yeah,
Sammy's just telling it, like pleading with them, like don't go Like my
gut's telling me, like they're gonna they don't want to be seen doing what
they're doing. They're gonna kill you. But like, what are you gonna
do? Jesse is there and your other reporter guys there too. You got
to do something. And I guess you feel like your press, you feel
like you're invincible. As we already talked about, they felt like they were
pretty much like a high ranked officials in this in this world of chaos and
civil war, but their power being stripped away at this point. And I
like how Joel is. He's he is so charismatic and he's you just see
him throughout this whole film so far. He's great at talking up with people
and building that connection, that relationship, and this is the one thing he
couldn't talk his way out of, and so it I think that's maybe another
thing that really shakes him up because he is always can control of these situations,
and this is the one time and the only time in the movie where
we don't see him take and keep that control that he always exhibits and tries
to take. But uh yeah, just the dialogue and just a moment that
like he was quivering, and the moment he said Hong Kong, Oh yeah,
you're just lie, just lie. This says something else. But they're
all dead though it doesn't matter. Like even those three they wouldn't have made
it out. I think in the long term he's still like, oh,
yeah, America, that's where America is supposed to be it. But I
think all three of them, everybody that was dead in that facidic because like
what we talked about before, I don't think they're affiliate with anybody. They're
like the fucking Purge people where they're just taking advantage of this and they're just
they're just killing people that they deem our. Oh not American enough, and
then if you come across this, we also got to kill you too.
So I think no matter what they said they were, they were goners.
It was it was a no win situation there. I feel like the girls
may have been safe because they were from Missouri and colle Dorado. I really
do think it was that black and white for for actor. For actor,
maybe he's just I wouldn't trust him. I couldn't trust it. Why didn't
he instantly kill Joel. Do you think when he found out where Joel's from,
because he was still a talker, right, But I thought Joel was
still on the side that he was on like the country lineup. I thought
Joel's still from that spot, from Florida, from the Central Forces. But
like, and yeah, I think I think that you're right, he probably
is on that side because he expressed I took it that he wasn't. So
again, maybe I just misread that, but again Joel implied like, oh,
he's in uniform, so he's Western Forces and that's where Florida is a
part of. Florida is a part of that one of the succeeded states,
the Western Alliance. But I just personally took him more so that Plemons was
just kind of interested in this situation, and he was like, it seemed
like Joel was kind of acting as like the leader of this group in the
situation. He was doing most of the talking, and I think everything that
he was saying was engaging Plemmons's character, and I took it as Plumbins was
just interested and just like, you know, keeping it kind of going a
little bit playing off of Joel because I just feel like it's a statistic thing
to do where he probably thought, Okay, I'm gonna kill this guy,
but I'm just gonna play this out for my own entertainment. And again you
see it where the way you swinging the gun around to every time he moves
the gun just in my seat because it's like where's he pointing? Like he's
just moving and pointing it. It was just brutal. One time he pointed
it right at Joel, you know, and then I was all, it's
over. And then he did that and they pulled it up and stuff,
which was funny. Him and Dunston actually interact watching that scene. They like
said one or two things at Colorado, but yeah, colds just I know
where you make movies. But just supposed to be a funny situation where you're
playing this role and your husband is standing there and just you know, looking
like that. But your husband in real life they're married. Who Plemmings and
Dunst Oh cool, Yeah, they're marrying, got like two kids together and
stuff. So yeah, no, so it's kind of fun. Need to
like this is the role your husband's doing, is like this race is viled
other shit, and like that's you like and of course a lot of it,
just like this is to the degree and it's definitely like breaking bad Replemens.
He's he's just eerily good and that's what he's saying. He's like that
in real life. It seems like in real life he's like a super nice
dude. It's just like, man, he's just like when you want him
to play that cold, calculated, just scary in the visual, he just
turns that on. So uh yeah, one this is a random point.
But one shot I really enjoyed in the movie was it there's no characters in
this shop, but it was just a shot of like an overpass essentially,
and you know it's on this shop for like maybe five seconds, six or
seven seconds, I don't know, and then there's like a spray paint of
just like go Warriors or some sports team or Steelers, yeah, you know,
go Steelers. And that was like what immediately drew my eye and I
was like, oh, this is kind of a mundane shot, kind of
like just fun post apocalypse of just open thing. Then you realize like right
by that there's just like two bodies hanging, and I love. I just
thought that was like so scientifically shot of like my eyes went to the ghost
Steelers and then you know, since the shots there long enough, I my
I eventually drifts and I see these bodies. I just thought it was like
crazy, how effective that that was? What a bizarre man do? Again
Travis Steelers and he I don't think this type of viewers don't never notice those
bodies, never at all Steelers he points his wife Steelers. Yeah, he's
just that he did. No, he didn't, oh Steelers, Steelers,
like multiple times he did laugh points like no, this is not the this
is not the area to laugh at, sir. But yeah, really good,
I apologize that. Yeah, no, really good moment of Again,
it's just like it's a great kind of dichotomy of the left or right to
where the world was and then just a few inches where the world is now.
Right like where because I doubt the Steelers were playing during the Civil War.
So it's just like whenever this was going on, there was a future
where the biggest worry in this town was, oh, hey, we're gonna
we want our sports team to win. Where now it's like you see those
sports field being used in like for people to live in intents like that's where
they live too, Like we didn't even talk about that. But when they
go to stay over at a place and say, oh, like you got
your passes, yeah, like no tense, so you can stay here,
And it just looks like that's what people are like many people are doing now.
They have no homes, so nothing, they're just staying in camped areas
and stadiums, and we see lots of them on the roads. Like it's
almost like, I don't know, that's what Again, it's not that it's
a negative because it leaves conversation, but that's the intrigue of obviously even in
our world right now, there's like a like a homeless crisis, but this
looks like this is to the like the massive degree where there's millions upon millions
more that are homeless now right And it's like, so what happened now,
I guess is just certain countries you couldn't live there, so you lose everything.
Like I don't know, but there was a lot of people living on
streets or on roads, and I was fascinated by that, but we didn't
get an answer. And again, I don't think it's a bad thing.
It's just that's something of like I think about now with this movie Okay,
what was what is the just even economy situation? What's this we talked about
money? What situation with banks? Do banks work? Do you like a
credit card as usual work? Do you have like is it like follower using
bottle caps? Like there's lots of stuff like what would happen would your current
if there was a self and Central America? Would you have different money maybe
and your money wouldn't work there? You know, like it's well, US
dollars, I mean even the US currency works in other countries across across the
planet. But actually, I mean like in this world, in this world,
did I feel like US dollars still apply? But I think depending on
which which states you're in, it would have different val So basically like a
one American dollar could literally be like one American dollar gets to that in the
Western Alliance Forces whatever. But if you're going to these other states, like
where they were at the beginning here where they're first descending into heading towards was
it Charlottesville, Charlotte's Town? I can't remember something, Charlottesville. Yeah,
So I think it's interesting because oh, we got three hundred dollars, so
that'll get you a couple of sandwiches, so you can see the value of
the US currency kind of being deflated down to that that unfortunate amount that's pennies
really, So yeah, I feel like there's also a lot less of a,
uh, I don't know, a centralized value to certain things too,
Like those guys are obviously gonna overcharge someone for a sandwich, but absolutely like
whatever they had to pay at that stadium was probably a lot more reasonable.
But yeah, it is weird because yeah, you have like that one random
town that we went to of course that as we mentioned, was like seemingly
unaffected. I'm sure prices there were like the same things were probably unchanged for
the most part. But even then, like when they go to that stadium
place, like the two girls there that are like waving them in, like
they have like an official T shirt and everything. It's not like, I
don't know, they spray painted something on there, like that was like a
printed shirt of like this new organization to seem that propped up during it.
So the way I see it is like there are still many places where things
are going on as per usually given even this hotel that they're staying at,
but for the most part, just a lot of people maybe their house just
got blown up, or or their their next door neighbor's house got blown up,
and so they just wanted to get the hell out of there, trying
to find somewhere safer, that kind of thing. But it's interesting to think
about. I guess the hotel too, Like I was trying to kind of
get a gauge for what the like the start of the film, it doesn't
really establish much. I guess just the world isn't chaos because she's in her
hotel room, and I think that in retrospect, this is where she decides,
like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna picture photograph the president because she
photographs the president on the TV, and then she looks out the window and
there's explosion out in the distance, and so that's okay, she's going out
there. I totally forgot about her photograph and the TV. That's a great
Yeah, there's a lot of like things at the end of the movie happening
at the start of the movie. That's good. Notice. Yeah, only
a couple other things. I mean one already mentioned this, but I just
wanted to highlight it again. I just love the cinematography, the choice to
include like they're the two girls and their shots in that editing of certain sequences,
and Taylor, you mentioned this how there was like a lot of silence
or like no score at certain moments. I think that was always great.
Whenever there'd be a huge warzone thing going on, whenever they'd cut to one
of those photographs, there would just be silence, right and just kind of
establishing like, yeah, when people are seeing this photograph, they're really they're
not in that moment. They're just getting like a little snippet of it,
but they're not getting that sound, which is such a crucial part of feeling
what it being like. I don't know, I guess being immersed in what
it would be like to be in one of those situations. So I thought
it was such a great choice made for the really great moments. And then
as well, like we talked about this, but I think it's it's really
fitting that Lee had photographed so many people dying in their last moments, taking
their last breaths, and I think it's really powerful that her death was also
photographed in great detail in a way that's kind of like poetic justice, you
could say, depending on how you look at it. But I just thought
either way, it was pretty pretty impactful, which is interesting. She deletes
that photo of Sammy that she took of him. Yeah, right, so
that just shows like the different growth and where they're at in their arcs and
how maybe someday Jesse will I think to delete an image like that. But
yeah, I hope that when it's all over, Jesse's like, just I
hope. I imagine she'll be absolutely devastated by that death. But in that
moment, the adrenaline and like that idea of getting that shot just kind of
blinded her by it. But I'm sure it's gonna stick with her afterwards.
Yeah, it's tough with it when she's looking so cold at the end.
I think it could go that way, or it could go the way where
it's not even a blip on the radar for anymore, you know, because
there's some people that could be like that. And that's where I think.
I like that ending, because we never got that answer. It's up to
the beholder. So and I have I to me, I think it was
meaningful Low when we had that scene very early on in the movie when Dun
says, like just in her bathtub and she just like can't even space out
because when she does, she just pictures all these things she's seen, and
I just feel like that's gonna be one of those moments for Jesse that she
just keeps reliving over and over again. The other thing I want to watch
too is there's a I think sometimes just for dramatic effect, but there are
times where they did shots where it was a different type of lens where it
was them centered focus but all around the leg and like ledges were they weren't
like rainbow I'm sure because I'm not great at the tech and lenses, but
they all had like a rainbow s different color, like crystallized flare around them.
Yeah, a couple of times. I don't know, So I want
to go back and when I watch again, pick the scenes when it's there
and it's not, because it would kind of pop up throughout it was like,
Okay, this section has that this section doesn't. So I don't know
if it was required or things, or if there's like a maybe as things
go along this like in a certain emotion they have this or is it just
hey, this looks cool and I want to use it here, right,
But I know, yeah, maybe that is like some specific perspective in the
same way that the black and white photographs or lease photographs to kind of put
you in their shoes for a moment, right, Yeah, so you know
look for that on the rewatch. Did you guys uh interpret the scene of
get Sammy was dying in the vehicle and they're just driving through a nighttime you
see like the fire and the ashes. I thought it was visually like a
really wanful scene, but I just how I'm curious how you guys interpreted it.
That's interesting. Yeah, I don't know if I have an interpretation yet
because I was wondering with what it's going on. It's burning down everything like
that, so I wasn't sure if there's some sort of symbolism there, but
visually very nice. But yeah, for what it meant, I'll have to
sleep on it a bit. I mean it it was really powerful for me
just because of like how many freaking forest fires we have here is like in
our province. Just them driving through that and having these really visceral shots of
a forest fire was pretty impactful. But yeah, I don't know if maybe
you was supposed to it because that when we first had the shot from up
above, because we get that like a big aerial view of that sequence and
then them driving through it, and I was just like, yeah, I
guess there's probably no firefighters to go put out this forest fire, so you
have something like the nature element to it. When something like this is going
on and this forest is getting just absolutely obliterated and there's no one that's gonna
stop it and it's just gonna keep going. I'm thinking about how that would
affect, you know, like the fire we had last year in Klona,
if there was no firefighters even trying to put that out, just how much
more devastating that would have even been. So yeah, I don't I don't
know. It's weird because it does feel like it's kind of a separate concept
to what the rest of the movie is supposed to be politically and like message
wise. But yeah, it's like an isolated moment. It is still pretty
powerful. Well that's that's well, that's exactly it too, because they it
just felt it felt different, and it just felt like after the heaviness with
the pleming scene, it was just like a moment almost like reprieve in a
chaotic sort of way, while we're just we're with Sammy in this situation and
he's just got his hand out the window and they're like almost like fireflies.
But yeah, it is. It is very impactful. It's especially being where
we are and just the fires and such. But yeah, I didn't even
think about that. Actually, when you don't have the the infrastructure to deal
with something on a natural nature chaotic level, that's that's even worse. And
same thing too, like is that fire just made by the wars or like
a campfire, searette or whatever, or is something being burned down purposely as
like a message or a clear area? Right? That's another thing too,
like what's happening currently here? So yeah, yeah, I definitely could have
just been like the fallout of some other battle going on. But I don't
think we really saw the battle so much. We kind of just saw the
fire, right, Yeah, but pretty much anywhere you go there's something off
of the distance. But I always thought that looked the bullets in the in
the sky, especially at night. Yeah, they just looks so cool.
It's just a great effect. I think they nailed it. Yeah, Like
it's I feel like there's they try to make little jokes and stuff in moments
where you can laugh at and some stuff. It's it's I feel like it's
inappropriate to maybe laugh at because it's unfortunate. People are dying, and it's
war and it's very it's serious business. But again they try to play off
the humorous moments, like when Joel walks out, he's like, I'm so
so hard right, Oh, yes, he just wants to go in like
photograph. It's like, man, you're drunk. It's not good to go
at night time. You don't know what it's like. Well, yeah,
that's what I was curious too in the first act. Not that I need
this because one of my favorite movies is American Psycho, so I don't need
the character to be likable or to be the good guy. But at first
I was worried of like, oh, I don't like, are the any
of these characters likable? Like is there anything about them? Because they're not
taking advantage but their job they have and they're kind of taking it. Like
he's smiling at the beginning. It's like, oh, these people are literally
getting mascred in front of you. So luckily the film did, but there
was a worry of Okay, there's a few routes gonna go. You gotta
hook me, or you gotta make them so kind of bad or shitty people
that gotta make them really entertaining. And at the beginning I was a little
worried because like, ah, now they're not over the top like very charismatic
characters and they're acting kind of shitty. But eventually the movie did hook me.
But that was a way I had in the first act where because they're
very just nonchalant about the whole thing. So yeah, definitely my notes have
been depleted personally, same for me. I think I am out file thought
fredom Yeah, no, I this is a really fun discussion because think we
all kind of had some different perspectives or thought about certain things differently, and
I think it'll be one of those for people. So I'm curious to see
hopefully some more discussion than are discord from people seeing this over the over the
weekend, see what people think about it, see some of those uh those
uh letterbox reviews and all that. But this was a really great time.
I I don't know why I haven't yet gone back to Alex Garland's like previous
movies, Like I know, it's been on my back up for so many
years now, especially like it's weird that men was the first one I saw
this, and I I'm just like, I'm at a point now where I
kind of want to see everything he does, which is cool. I have
another one of the directors who I just want to see all their movies.
But yeah, he doesn't really have that many looks like, so it's probably
poor. Yeah, pretty easy to go back and check them all out.
And I've never I've never watched, but I hear great things. I think
it's just like a six epsom mini series. He did this thing called Dev's
Excuse we were wrong. I think it's about aar technolog Maybe I'm wrong,
but nick Offfman's the star of that. So that Spinney's in it? Oh
is she? And wait, what the heck am I reading this right?
I am? And the lady who plays Anya like that other journalist and like
the helmet near the end of the movie. Okay, she's in that,
And apparently I think one of the other journalists. Like a lot of the
list, Okay, I like often. Then I'm starting to like more.
I think there was an error where I just he was a meme from Parks
and Rec and I enjoyed Parks and Rec. So just I kind of got
over it, but between Last of Us and this and there's other stuff where
I'm like, I think I'm on the bandwagon finally, so that might bump
up to my list now. But there's another one too, but people say
great things about that, so but yeah, definitely Xmakna's an Annihilation is really
cool. Annihilations like a smaller version, not smaller version of Men. It's
like Man where it's very trippy, but not to that extent where it's really
out there, but another third act that's like, Wow, this is some
different shit going on. It's unique. So yeah, No, it seems
like every movie he's going like complete one eighty somehow from what he's done previously,
So that's pretty cool. Mister Phil foul thoughts and raining. Yeah,
I think everything that we kind of got to discuss was tonight was fantastic.
I loved hearing your guys' approach to this film, and like, for me
personally, I think that what I was expecting out of this movie was very
different from seeing the trailer and then getting to indulge in the perspective of the
press going on this road trip and just experiencing everything it. It really had
so many different tones to it of intensity of humor, and it's just it's
something that you really have to sit on. And I'm really looking forward to
watching it again and spotting things out, because I feel like there's a lot
of things that you're gonna miss on the first viewing and a lot of things
that you'll notice on the second and probably even the third. So I'm looking
very much forward to that. I think that, like I said at the
beginning, there are things in this film that are scary, scarily realistic to
a degree where you could see people people just get fed up. I mean,
we these people, these people want to kill the president. And I'm
not. I'm not I'm not hear me out, I'm not carefully, I'm
not condoning, and I'm not I'm not in fining anything. Violence is not
the answer. But here in Canada, I just think that there's interesting parallels
because you have a Prime minister who's on his third term and you got people
openly driving around vehicles with huge flags. I see it on a daily basis,
Fuck Trudeau plaster all over their vehicles everywhere I go, even other cities
I go. It's all over the place, is daily and I think that
that says something. I think that's why doing a movie like this is not
far fetched and people see movies and think, oh, it's all just make
believe. Yeah, Ana, But I think that that's one of the most
powerful things about some of these movies. While it is Hollywood, I think
you have to take it sometimes with a grain of salt in the sense that
maybe it's not the right way to saying it, that there there are some
realistic tones in these films that could somehow eventually be it could be like a
real life scenario, and I think you have to be very careful about about
that and like just be aware and not you can't always turn a blind eye.
And I think that if you have movies like this that incite that uh,
incite the conversation, that's already much better than violence. It's already the
first step to going down a better path and going down this path of civil
war or anything along those lines. If you talk about these things and you
communicate, again, that's what that's what democracy is. In this sense of
this movie, it seems like this president was leaning towards a dictatorship, and
that again insights to obviously this conflict that we're seeing here. But I think
that you want to you want to communicate, you want to talk these things
out. And I think that ultimately, if that is the case and this
president was a dictator and he was trying to just take control, YadA,
YadA, YadA, I like that how I like that it turns around where
he's like, I want safe passage out of here, like the woman secretary
lady he gets taken a news Yeah, like that's not gonna New Zealand Alaska,
Like that's not gonna fly. No, like the damage has been done.
Man, Like I love that actress because she's not she's only in it
for the not the The lady that was saying that was fine, but the
soldier lady was like, no, yeah, we just want to talk to
like like it was so cool and calm, and you're like, oh,
she's just gonna pop this motherfucker as soon as she's like it's like a nice,
calming, almost trustful way, but she gives enough of a hint in
her voice to go, oh, we can't trust y'all. And then they
just shoot that lady too, like it's just gone, but yeah, shout
out to like just a mini few scenes that Soldier actors had. But she
did great, and I hope I see her like pop up another stuff and
that piguer stuff. So but in closing, yeah, I just I think
that this movie has very real messages in here that people need to they need
to form their own perspectives on and they need to kind of try to be
open to here and not very dismissive over something like this that is very bold
and very scary. I think people need to open the door to conversation and
communicate about these things and really just yeah, really just think about it,
think about it a lot, because we're in the real world right now.
We are, and we're not in a good position. People are people are
getting pissed. But my one last show here too for Taylor CAMPI yeah,
I'm gonna go three terms. You can do that. Yeah, you're five
for three terms. The other reporter that was he was with the girl at
the beginning and then at the end he had the camera. He was in
the camp quarder filming stuff. The actor's name is Jefferson White, and he
completely just threw me off because as I'm binge watching Yellowstone Heart, he's a
main character in that show. So just the clo. I was like,
oh my god, like it just totally pulled me out of it for a
little bit, because I'll try to make Yellowstone happen. I just knocked.
I couldn't believe it. I've never seen the guy in anything else, and
just to see him and this like, oh my god, like to me,
you're not this character, You're a different character. That's the one thing
that really pulled me out of this. You're gonna get a joker too,
and be like, I bet Arthur Fleck would really like Yellowstone. I would,
Yeah, yeah. I thought for sure those reporters weren't gonna make it
either. I thought because I kept doing this back and forth of shoot our
characters shoot the other character. So I thought it was gonna go like that,
and I thought we're gonna get that way shot and they're gonna like,
wh shouldn't go Because things were exploded all around them. I thought, all
they're goners, but they never were. They followed the decoy truck out and
they got the badge like the wrong shot. But I thought they were goneers
the way they were framing those shots like something's gonna happen here. And I
did too. When that one scene where the barricades are and then the entrance
to the White House. Yeah, basically Joel's just calling over to just like
get over and over, and she moves and then they take her spot.
I thought that's where they it was gonna get blown up, but yeah,
you're right. They pulled through, and yeah, you see the suv and
the officials get out and they're just yelling don't shoot, don't shoot, and
they just get fucking just gunned down. No conversations, no conversations. Yeah,
but I'm gonna give this movie. I'm gonna give it a nine out
of ten. I think the only point I'm docking it is just it was
a very slow intro. But maybe that maybe that could change after I watched
this movie a second or third time, and maybe the intro has a lot
more things that make sense retrospectively towards the end and just how the things change.
But I really really enjoyed this movie, and I really like the messaging
and the journey and the experience and just the way that they were to deliver
this perspective to the audience. So yeah, yeah, that's exactly why I'm
nine at ten and I'm taking the same stance as Taylor that I imagine at
least I don't know where we are right now, Like i'd say, okay,
it's in my top five right now, but we're in April. But
I imagine we will talk about this again Cometime next year, and I'm sure
Kirk will see it, and so I'm excited because this is one of those
movies I would have hate for it to come on like December and then we're
doing nominations like a few weeks later and be like, oh, like I
haven't had a chance to see it again, because I think this is a
movie I could get up to higher. I don't know if I could ever
have it at a out of ten, but at the same point, I
could see it be one of those movies that the more you sit on it,
the more you talk about with people, Like I said in that perspective
that I had a Joel of losing Lee and his freak out versus you know
what Taylor said about like all the reasons he freaked out here first they're like,
Okay, I kind of can see some of those situations. That's where
for me sitting on it, talking about it and seeing it again, but
yeah, just very well made, well acted, well crafted, makes you
think. And I also why I need to second watch this? Like I
said, it was different than I expecting. I went with a completely different
movie in mind, and luckily I still liked the movie I got. So
yeah, nine out of ten would kind of being my top five. I'd
probably put it go. Where what did I just watch? What if we
watched last week? There's something in the past two weeks? Oh, monkey
Man, Me and Kirkle Salt Monkey and it's close Monkey Man Lisa Frankenson in
this they're all like a three way tie for second. Dude, it's still
big dunes up there. But where's uh, where's this in your your Garland
rankings? Two? A lot of people like Annihilation, not an Annihilation as
love hate. I just feel like it's like you either like it or you
fuck. I love and not like the people that love Annihilation, they'll go
to bat the funny enough again, the third act doesn't really work for me,
and I just for me, there's more potential there. But I've never
watched it again, and I've been wanting to because I want to give another
chance. X mak And is like ten at ten sci fi classic, like
one of the all TME greats. And then Men is definitely at the at
the bottom there. I just really love the setup of Men. It's just
like we you know, check out Me and Dylan's Men review. Just miss
missed the mark for me. But even that movie, it's much like other
people. We talk about Agger's Aster, you know. For me, that's
gonna be Emerald Fennold's Like whatever they make, there's always something interesting about it.
And maybe it doesn't always hit, but there's a style and character to
it's the same thing like Man Like. I don't know, I'll watch it
again, but it's a very well crafted movie. There's just some crazy swings
there. Check out Me and Dane's Men review. It's on the feed somewhere,
so I'll check it out. Yeah, and I guess we'll probably be
here for a war frame. He says he's retiring, but I don't.
I'm both clay. I don't think that's true. But he's at least directing
one more movie, so we'll see. But that has a really good cast.
So yeah, we'll be back. I'll see you next week. You
on news next couple of weeks, there's gonna be Apes and fall Guy and
a bunch of other movies coming out, So stay tuned. Thank you very
much for tuning in. And when you hear this, I got one more
thing, let's throw in here. It was at the end of the movie.
So Travis, Travis, when he was dealing with this guy, we're
back to the bizarro guy. I pulled up my phone because he sent me
a message. Guy sent you a message before we went the movie played,
I sent him a message, so I I didn't I didn't look at the
message until the end of the movie and I lean over at Travis. You
know this fucking guy you can tell you can tell what you were trying to
type, because the guy was he was dropping on you a little bit,
he said, so I because I may Nima was the old guy. I
don't know if Harry told in the right fashion. But look, I'm confused
Tex and Taylor, because I thought he'd see it from the movie. I
said, this fucking guy like talking about the guy beside me. But he
didn't see it till ast the movie. So he pulled up the phone and
he's like, this fucking guy, what does that mean? Like he's asking
me. The guy didn't hear because he was talking to his wife luckily,
and it's so funny because I was typing on my notepad one it did feel
like the guy was trying to look over my phone and I was thrown off.
I wasn't sure if you just saw like guy and he's like talking about
me that yeah, sure, But I thought, oh, I'm gonna type
it out that I'm gonna show it to Taylor before the movie starts, and
in my mind, like, I better not do that because Taylor might fuck
this up. And that message at the end completely because first he pulls out
this fucking guy. Like if that guy was any tune in, he would
have looked over and it would have been a tad awkward. But yeah,
shout out to that fucking guy, and I hope to never see you again,
but know we'll see. But thank you very much. Between your good
tailor said it, Oh okay, thank you, have a good one. Bye,