WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.439 --> 00:00:14.160 It's the Lockdown Podcast Network, Your team every Day. Let's dissect a predictive 2 00:00:14.240 --> 00:00:18.120 Cincinnati Bengals draft board and talk about where we might do things a little bit 3 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:29.600 differently. You are Locked On Bengals, your daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast, part 4 00:00:29.640 --> 00:00:36.240 of the Lockdown Podcast Network, Your Team every Day, by Bengals fans and 5 00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:40.759 welcome to another episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast, part of the Lockdown Podcast 6 00:00:40.799 --> 00:00:44.880 Network, covering your team every day. I'm Jake Lisco, He's James Rapine. 7 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:49.039 We're your hosts of this podcast. You can find it on YouTube anywhere 8 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:51.719 you get your podcasts. And if you're new to the show, join the 9 00:00:51.759 --> 00:00:55.600 tens of thousands of other Bengals fans making us part of their everyday routine. 10 00:00:55.920 --> 00:00:59.039 All you out there making us your first listen, we appreciate every single one 11 00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:02.840 of you who do those things. Today we're going to review a Cincinnati Bengals 12 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:07.519 big board, predicting what we think the order might look like as the Bengals 13 00:01:07.519 --> 00:01:10.799 are setting their board over the course of this week and next week leading into 14 00:01:10.799 --> 00:01:14.920 the draft. Today's episode brought to you by Monopoly Go, and as a 15 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:19.519 big fan of Monopoly Go, the mobile hit twist on Classic Monopoly. You 16 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:23.280 can join your friends. You can download Monopoly Go now for free on the 17 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:29.280 App Store or on Google Play. And James on Wednesday Night Over on Cincinnati 18 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:34.920 Bengals Talk You Me. A bunch of Bengals draft analysts Mike Santagata coach, 19 00:01:36.079 --> 00:01:41.640 Matt Minnick, Joe Goobberry, Patrick Carlyle, Draft Guy, Jared your Guy, 20 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:46.239 Andrew Fox Miller were together looking at a Bengals big board. Did I 21 00:01:46.280 --> 00:01:49.719 miss anybody? Did I forget? Oh? You nailed it. I'm shot 22 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:53.319 everybody. I wouldn't have nailed it. I'll be honest. I would have 23 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:56.920 had to look at the roster to make sure it's you know, it's it's 24 00:01:56.959 --> 00:02:00.640 like remembering every draft pick in the moment, right It's It's tough to do, 25 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:02.879 but you nailed it. It was a lot of fun. We put 26 00:02:02.920 --> 00:02:08.520 together what the big board could look like, what we think the Bengals big 27 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:12.400 board looks like. In round one. If you're watching on YouTube, we 28 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:15.240 have a list here and the round one guys one A, one B, 29 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:19.840 one seed. Those are ranked in order. The second round two A, 30 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:23.599 two B, two C they're not ranked in order, but the tiers are 31 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:25.759 about what we think the Bengals would be. But it was a lot of 32 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:30.120 fun and just full disclosure pat ourselves on the back. Last year, Miles 33 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:36.199 Murphy was the highest player remaining on our predictive Bengals board when they took Miles 34 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:38.960 Murphy. So hopefully we can go two for two this year in a year 35 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:43.800 Jake that Let's be honest here, a lot of people focused on the trenches 36 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:46.039 when we were setting the board. The trenches, certainly in round one were 37 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:51.080 a hot topic, and I'm sure they will be today as well. Yeah, 38 00:02:51.080 --> 00:02:57.280 there were a discussion around positional value taxes for interior offensive linemen and positional 39 00:02:57.360 --> 00:03:02.439 value boosts for offensive tackles. And just to reiterate what you're talking about here, 40 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:07.520 we've got six tiers essentially that we're looking at. We've got the first 41 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:13.400 round split into three categories. We've got the second round split into three categories, 42 00:03:13.479 --> 00:03:15.960 A, B, and C. A being the guys that you're not 43 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:19.400 expecting to be available to you, the guys that you think are going to 44 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:22.400 go before you but you need to rank in case they do fall. The 45 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:27.319 guys that you're clearly picking ahead of everybody, ahead of the next bucket the 46 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:31.039 top third or so of the first round. And we didn't include quarterbacks here, 47 00:03:31.080 --> 00:03:35.199 of course, because we don't think there are quarterbacks on the Bengals board 48 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:38.879 in the first round. But assuming there will be four quarterbacks, you want 49 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:43.280 to make sure you have eighteen players that you're comfortable with. You have them 50 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:46.879 ranked from one to eighteen, so you know who the top guy is. 51 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:50.680 You've gone through all your tie breakers, you've figured out Okay, maybe there's 52 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:53.840 a positional value tie breaker, So the tackles that we might have tied with 53 00:03:53.879 --> 00:04:00.319 a Byron Murphy, or maybe if you're a Johnny Newton, those guys are 54 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:04.000 ahead, or maybe you like the corners, maybe the tackles by positional value 55 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:09.240 are a little bit ahead. Even if they're film grade or whatever, their 56 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:15.520 overall grade will be the same. So the idea here is to get that 57 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:20.360 process done and hashed out. And like James said, we think the first 58 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:25.639 round in order of what we think the Bengals will do, not necessarily what 59 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:29.120 we would do, but based on their history, just starting at the top, 60 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:30.879 and we're not going to spend a lot of time in the one A 61 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:33.480 category because we don't expect any of these guys to be available to the Bengals. 62 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:38.319 We think that the Bengals would still value any of the big three wide 63 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:44.240 receivers ahead of anybody else in this class. And there was some discussion about 64 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:47.920 those receivers versus Joe Alt and that being very interesting, hearkening back to the 65 00:04:47.959 --> 00:04:54.680 Penne Suol versus Jamar Chase discussion, Would they do that again even though they 66 00:04:54.680 --> 00:04:58.720 already have Jamar Chase on the roster. Obviously, we ultimately landed on yes, 67 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:00.079 we think they would, But I do think that was one of the 68 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:04.839 more interesting questions we discussed in this group. Yeah, for sure, really 69 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:11.920 interesting and I think sort of the tie breaker is And I know there's a 70 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:15.600 lot of talk about how deep this receiver class is, but we really got 71 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:21.680 into it on the stream after the Big three. Everyone has something, there's 72 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:27.800 a flaw, award, a whatever. All these receivers have something wrong where 73 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:30.279 it's at least a slight concern. And there are a lot of guys I 74 00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:34.480 like in this class, but these top three are just so unique and so 75 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:38.360 different, and so I think the Bengals would go with one of them. 76 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:42.480 We do have those three and Joel ahead of brock Bowers, but we have 77 00:05:42.519 --> 00:05:45.839 Brock Bowers in the one A category, ahead of any of the offensive tackles, 78 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:50.319 ahead of any of the cornerbacks, ahead of Byron Murphy or Johnny Newton. 79 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:57.000 And I think that that would be debated amongst a lot of different people 80 00:05:57.519 --> 00:06:00.759 right listening, and a lot of people would agree. And I think a 81 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:02.759 lot of people are out on brock Bauers because of the positional value, and 82 00:06:02.879 --> 00:06:06.160 I do. I think it is interesting and it would still be even if 83 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:10.480 Brock is higher on their board, It would still be a real debate if 84 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:16.120 the top offensive lineman and say one b Olufashanu made his way to eighteen and 85 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:20.360 Brock made his way to eighteen. The path to that happening where both guys 86 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:26.120 is there are there is next to zero like it's probably not going to happen, 87 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:30.079 but if it did, I think that that would be a really tough 88 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:33.199 decision for the Bengals, and it was for us as we debated it. 89 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:38.240 Yeah, we moved Olu Fashanu from the one A group to the one B 90 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:42.040 group because to everybody that was discussing, we thought that there was a clear 91 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:44.800 gap between the blue tippers, the guys that we have in the one A 92 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:47.680 group and the guys that we have in the one B group, including Fashionu, 93 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:51.000 although we also all agreed that Fashionu would be the top of one B 94 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:56.079 if he were available to the Bengals. He fits what they want to do 95 00:06:56.920 --> 00:07:00.560 in a lot of ways and brings athleticism that a guy like jac Latham doesn't 96 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:06.600 necessarily bring, but also has the pass protection experience and the pass protection production 97 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:12.240 and tape in college to say, you feel really good about his fit in 98 00:07:12.279 --> 00:07:15.959 a Bengals offense that asks a lot of their tackles in pass protection. That 99 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:20.199 being said, we eventually kind of got to the point where we thought, 100 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:26.000 yeah, they would take brock powers over any of these offensive tackles. I'm 101 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:30.079 still not sure about that personally. I still think that some of them could 102 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:34.079 be very close, and fashion U probably leads the way there. Maybe they 103 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:39.639 like Fuaga a lot more than we think they do, too, we have 104 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:43.120 him at the bottom of this group of tackles. I'm not one hundred percent 105 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:46.279 convinced that that's the case either, but based on what we think we know 106 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:49.560 about them, we made arguments and we'll get there. When we discussed the 107 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:56.959 one BE group, but the big takeaway was outside of Joel, We actually 108 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:01.120 think that the Bengals would pick the tight end despite positional value or whatever you 109 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:05.279 want to argue, because he's still a blue chipper who can still make a 110 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:11.920 huge difference for this offense over the tackles. Yeah, for sure, and 111 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:18.439 he's rare. He's hard to find, and that's the element too in a 112 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:22.959 shallow tight end class. That's exactly what this year is. The top of 113 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:28.839 it is as good as we've seen in a long time. I mean, 114 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:33.200 I think brock Bauers it would be higher on the Bengals board than a Kyle 115 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:35.799 Pitts potentially if they were both coming out at the same time. Now maybe 116 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:39.919 not, but I think so when you look at the profile. Now, 117 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:43.639 he didn't test, and so that is concerning when you don't have that. 118 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:48.519 But man, was he productive at Georgia and they do have the GPS numbers 119 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:52.879 and all of those things to look at. So it's a debate that I 120 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:58.039 hope the Bengals one. I know they're having two and have already had two. 121 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:01.960 I hope it's some that we see on Draft night where he makes it 122 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:05.799 to eighteen with one of these other high one be trench players because it's just 123 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:09.879 an interesting dilemma, interesting debate, and you want the best players to fall, 124 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:13.559 and he would be one of the best players that could realistically fall. 125 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:20.000 Daniel Jeremiah saying, by the way, on a conference call on Wednesday with 126 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:24.679 the media that he does before the drafts that the Bengals that's a throw a 127 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:28.960 parade pick if Brock Bauers fell at eighteen. Obviously, we had Dan Brugler 128 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:31.799 on earlier this week. Make sure you check out that entire interview, and 129 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:35.759 he said, oh, well, that's a no brainer if he fell to 130 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:39.720 eighteen. I don't think either guy expects Brock to be there, but if 131 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:43.039 he did, it's hard for me to envision a scenario where he's not the 132 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:46.159 top guy on their board. That's right. I think that they could talk 133 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:52.559 themselves into one of the tackles they could. We're still making educated guesses here, 134 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:56.759 but this is how we think it would shake out as the Bengals. 135 00:09:56.759 --> 00:09:58.679 I think at this point, their first round board is set. They've eliminated 136 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:01.240 all the are going to eliminate from the board, that's the first thing they 137 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:05.639 do. 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Let's get back into this second group, James the one B category 173 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:54.200 here starting with Olu Fashanu, Amarius Men's second, JC Lathan third, Talifuanga 174 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:58.960 fourth. We went with four straight offensive tackles in this group. And you 175 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:03.480 might notice that fought Neu was not one of those names mentioned for those listening 176 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:07.080 and not watching on YouTube. He's actually in the one C group because our 177 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:11.600 group wasn't convinced that the Bengals see him as a tackle and that he could 178 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:16.720 make a seamless transition to the NFL. He could be the number one guard 179 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:20.960 on the board, and in fact he is. Eventually we'll get there, 180 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:24.159 you'll see the number one guard. But he played left tackle in college, 181 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:28.799 and even if he profiles to a guard in the NFL, like maybe you 182 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:31.480 think Fuaga does, at least Fuaga did play right tackle. And that's why 183 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:39.080 Fuaga is in that group. But from the inexperienced question marks of Amarius Mims, 184 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:45.080 the athleticism question marks for JC Latham, the positional question marks for Tali 185 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:48.440 Fuaga. That's why we ended up with this order with fashion who on top, 186 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:52.200 even though he was a left tackle who would need to transition to right 187 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:54.240 tackle for the Bengals. Even though there might be some run blocking concerns, 188 00:13:54.600 --> 00:14:01.080 some development required for the young tackle. All these guys either have athleticism, 189 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:05.799 youth experience, and there's one thing missing out of that group for all of 190 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:11.039 them as we tried to stack these four. Sure, yeah, just a 191 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:16.440 hair just a little bit of an issue here there. I think it's it's 192 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:22.159 interesting our listeners certainly and viewers know how I feel about Amarius Mims in the 193 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:26.919 upside. But Olu Fashionu, and I'm glad I'm saying the name right now, 194 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:31.840 thanks to Dan Brugler by the way, in correcting me because I said 195 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:37.039 it wrong earlier in the show. But past blocking, that's what the Bengals 196 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:41.159 are looking for. Can you come in and be an awesome pass blocker? 197 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:45.000 And I think he's ready to go in that area, and so, yeah, 198 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:46.759 does he need to learn right tackle as well. Sure, but they 199 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:50.240 can work him on both sides. It would certainly be nice to have someone 200 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:54.200 who can play both sides and he doesn't need to start right away. That's 201 00:14:54.240 --> 00:15:00.200 the other element here with all of these guys. They don't need the guy 202 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:03.840 that comes in, and not that any of them have a low ceiling, 203 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:07.600 but that is ready to go now. But if he maxes out, he 204 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:11.919 isn't an all pro or he isn't a pro bowler like you want to try 205 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:15.600 to find that with this pick. If you're going offensive tackle. And that's 206 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:20.879 why to me, fashion U and Mims are they just have a really really 207 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:24.440 high ceiling. So does JC Latham, by the way, and I think 208 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:26.519 the Bengals are going to love Latham. There's also a chance that he falls. 209 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:31.720 Wouldn't shock me if he fell to eighteen, and so that's the order 210 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:37.559 with a guy like Fuaga, who you're right, maybe he is higher. 211 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:39.679 But I think if you're the Bengals and you can get any of these four, 212 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:43.919 you feel really good about it. And I think that's why they lead 213 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:46.799 the way and are ahead of a Byron Murphy who is as popular. I 214 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:52.639 think he's the most popular Bengals target right now, I pick eighteen. You 215 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:56.759 just look at these mocks. Dan Brugler mocked him. I just the fans 216 00:15:56.600 --> 00:16:00.759 that have mocked him on social Would you agree with that? As of now, 217 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:03.240 I don't have any metric backing. That's just what I've seen, But 218 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:06.799 it feels like Biron Murphy is the most popular pick right now for the Bengals. 219 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:10.919 Yeah, the vibes are Murphy. And there's some vote splitting among the 220 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:12.879 tackles. That's part of the problem. If you have well, it's going 221 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:17.559 to be one of these four tackles, they are going to get, say, 222 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:22.279 nineteen percent of the vote, and maybe bier Murphy gets twenty one percent 223 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:23.559 of the vote or whatever it is, and bier Murphy ends up being the 224 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:27.279 most popular because you're splitting the vote so much among the tackles. If we 225 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:32.639 had one crystallized offensive tackle prospect put it had to have a bier Murphy. 226 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:37.679 Well, we saw in our Bengals bracket a couple of weeks ago bier Murphy 227 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:41.120 did not emerge victorious at that point in time. Maybe the results would be 228 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:45.919 different today as sentiments change over time. But you're right, the top of 229 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:49.360 the tackle listing is largely based on upside. I think that Fashion New and 230 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:53.639 Men's have the most upside. Men certainly the most outside out of this group 231 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:56.240 of tackles. But I think any of those, like you said, James, 232 00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:59.759 our guys the Bengals would be happy with. And a good point that 233 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:03.000 Joe Goodbury made on the show last night when we were discussing this live on 234 00:17:03.119 --> 00:17:08.839 Cincinnati Bengals Talk, was that one of these guys is likely to be available 235 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:12.640 to the Bengals, maybe too, depending on where the corners go, depending 236 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:17.839 on who. The surprise in the top seventeen is that we haven't anticipated, 237 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:21.880 but we're not really sure which one, like any of them could fall. 238 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:25.359 You've seen fashionw fall, You've seen Men's fall, You've seen Latham fall, 239 00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:29.359 you've seen Fuuaga fall. You just don't know which one, but likely at 240 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:36.519 least fall, Fashion New fall. To me go protect Joe wee b oh 241 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:41.759 sorry good, I'm good man, I'm good. I'm just trying to This 242 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:45.200 is the time of year, like within a week at the draft, where 243 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:51.880 you try to will things, speak things into existence, and sometimes it works, 244 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:56.720 sometimes it doesn't. For me, Fashion New is as big of a 245 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:00.480 home run pick in it. I think more realistic, by the way than 246 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:03.920 brock Power's following. So I think there's at least four teams in on brock 247 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:07.200 So fashion is someone I'm trying to will to the Bengals at eight, and 248 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:11.160 we could see both guys picked in the top ten. That just could be 249 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:15.119 the way it goes. That being said, I'm trying to will it, 250 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:18.160 and you got to be real with it, I could kill it. Where 251 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:22.400 I'm going with this is there are other options in the one B category that 252 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:26.000 we like it tackle and we think there's great upside to tackle, and one 253 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:27.720 of them could be available to the Bengals. It's just going to depend on 254 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:33.519 what they're valuing and where they're most comfortable. Are they most comfortable with Latham's 255 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:40.960 lack of testing and apparent lesser degree of athleticism than Fuaga or Mims, Or 256 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:45.759 are they more uncomfortable with Mims's lack of experience even though the ceiling is infinite 257 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:49.200 and the tape is pretty good when he's on the field, It's just an 258 00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:55.720 experience topic. That being said, we're still on the same page where we 259 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:59.680 think plan A is offensive tackle and that any of these guys will be ahead 260 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:03.680 of by Murphy or either of the corners who are next after Buyer Murphy in 261 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:10.480 this group. Yeah, and so just to give especially our audio listeners, 262 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:15.960 fashion New Mims, Lathan Fuaga, then Murphy, Tarian, Arnold quinnan Mitchell, 263 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:18.839 and you could flip those two. It might be Mitchell and then Arnold, 264 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:22.839 who knows, and then Layatu Latu and Dallas Turner. That's our one 265 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:30.160 B group and that's probably the next Bengal unless they go with Troy Faitanu, 266 00:19:30.519 --> 00:19:33.200 which I think is interesting. That's the one guy in one Sea that I 267 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:36.519 look at and I'm like, ooh at eighteen, I could see it, 268 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:38.519 and at the same time he might not even make it to eighteen. So 269 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:45.039 let's continue the conversation. We'll discuss one C and then what you and me 270 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:49.279 might change about this board coming up next. Today's show is brought to you 271 00:19:49.480 --> 00:19:53.519 by Monopoly Go and we've all been there either as a player as a fan. 272 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:56.640 It's halftime in the scoreboard. Well, it's not looking good, you're 273 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:00.960 feeling low and you're not sure if you are your team can pull out a 274 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:03.480 win. 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Get back 284 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:41.279 out there, put on your game face and download Monopoly Go now free on 285 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:48.599 the App Store or Google Play. One big thing that I'm not sure we 286 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:52.359 have right here talking about things that we might need to massage. Still, 287 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:55.279 as we're looking at this, Dallas Turner kind of sticks out to me as 288 00:20:55.319 --> 00:20:57.680 a player who doesn't fit what they'd like to do at the edge position. 289 00:20:57.759 --> 00:21:02.960 He's kind of there because we're expecting him to be the potentially first defensive player 290 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:07.319 picked in the top. Yeah, but we have Jared Verse here in the 291 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:10.920 one C group and Cooper Degen in the one C group, and Troy Fontanu 292 00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:14.319 in the one C group, and heck even Johnny Newton in the one seed 293 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:19.160 group. And are we for all of these guys, Maybe maybe Newton, 294 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:22.880 but for some of these guys, you can see some of them ahead of 295 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:26.839 Dallas Turner for the Bengals based on what they like to do. And font 296 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:30.759 new and Verse are the two that stand out to me is as more for 297 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:33.880 for either positional value or the type of player they like at the position, 298 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:37.400 more Bengally ahead of Dallas Turner. But once we get to this one seed 299 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:41.039 group, we're kind of looking at backup plans. And that's the idea here 300 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:45.160 is that you have eighteen players in one A, one B because of where 301 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:48.519 you're picking as the Bengals, and then if something goes really crazy or you 302 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:52.680 trade back, then that's why we have the one C group. Yeah, 303 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:59.440 and all right, So it's just to establish it because I say it wrong 304 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:02.799 too, So I just looked it up in the Beast to confirm. So 305 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:07.960 Troy Filutanu is to me it would be ahead of Dallas Turner, and it's 306 00:22:08.039 --> 00:22:11.559 it's kind of the the tie break. I would have him in in the 307 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:15.519 one B column where it's like, all right, maybe Byron Murphy's gone, 308 00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:21.480 maybe the medicals don't check out for mems and and the rest of the offensive 309 00:22:21.480 --> 00:22:25.880 tackles are gone. Well, Filotanu is a great option and he is versatile, 310 00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:27.480 and who knows, maybe they play him inside to start. I doubt 311 00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:30.920 it. I think they would take him at that spot, thinking all right, 312 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:33.839 he can be a quality right tackle for us for years to come, 313 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:37.400 and maybe as early as this season. So that's the one that really stands 314 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:44.720 out. I could feel people wondering about Johnny Newton, and it's it's really 315 00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:48.799 been since the combine. The NFL is lower on Johnny Newton, not just 316 00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:53.039 the Bengals, the NFL lower on Johnny Newton than social media consensus, than 317 00:22:53.160 --> 00:23:00.599 draft analysts outside of NFL media or NFL media, but outside of NFL rooms, 318 00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:03.440 in front offices, scouts, etc. And So I think it's interesting 319 00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:08.200 because there's not much doubt on our end. I think that Johnny Newton's gonna 320 00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:11.920 be a really really good player, maybe a great player, But do we 321 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:17.000 think he's realistic at eighteen for the Bengals, Probably not. He could be 322 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:19.200 a trade down candidate, which is why we have him in one CE for 323 00:23:19.279 --> 00:23:26.599 the Bengals. But obviously I I would be surprised if most of our listeners 324 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:30.680 wouldn't take Johnny Newton over a handful at least a handful of those one B 325 00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:36.160 prospects that we've listed and discussed. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if he's 326 00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:41.400 certainly ahead of the corners. I think the poll we did during the bracket 327 00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:44.160 showed that he was the head of Byron Murphy as well, even if it 328 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:48.400 was you know, ten percent or so. I think from that voting group 329 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:55.920 more prefer Newton than prefer Murphy. So he is a one see because we 330 00:23:55.960 --> 00:24:00.000 think that's where the Bengals would be. But if it were us, Newton 331 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:02.759 is one of those that would definitely be higher. If it was US, 332 00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:07.359 maybe Tyler Goeiton would be in the two group, But as we were discussing 333 00:24:07.359 --> 00:24:11.480 this yesterday, Tyler Goyiton the end of one seed. Just so for our 334 00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:17.759 audio listeners, the one seed group is Troy Faotanu, Cooper Degene, Jared 335 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:22.799 Versus Johnny Newton, Nate Wiggins, and Tyler Goeiton, And we ended up 336 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:27.279 moving Degene up a little bit, especially with Louanna Rumo's praise of Iowa defensive 337 00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:32.799 players. His testing was really good at his pro day. He's probably just 338 00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:38.599 a good outside corner and corner. If you like Arnold and Mitchell, it's 339 00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:42.079 easy to argue that maybe the Bengals would like Cooper de Gene as well, 340 00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:47.200 and we think they will like Arnold and Mitchell. So Tyler Go sneaks into 341 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:48.920 one seed because we think if they traded back at the back of the first 342 00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:57.920 round for the traits perspective, size, athleticism, strength, it's easy to 343 00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:02.799 argue that that is one of the guys they would put into a trade back 344 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:07.680 grouping. But Fatanu, to your point, James is the one that I 345 00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:11.519 could see sneaking into one Bee and even Verse ahead of Dallas Turner. Or 346 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:15.359 maybe Dallas Turner is just too high and we should be switching Baltu to one 347 00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:19.359 Bee and Turner behind Verse or something like that. In one C. Yeah, 348 00:25:19.720 --> 00:25:25.119 and that's that's probably fair, and I actually think that's that's realistic. 349 00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:30.079 But that's the beauty of having the roundtable that we had. But yeah, 350 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:33.480 I think Fautano would be higher. I agree with you Verse and there wasn't 351 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:38.279 much debate about Verse being the better fit. It's so that I would be 352 00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:41.480 surprised, though, I'd be surprised if they go edge regardless. I think 353 00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:45.039 that's the one position. Like corner, people would be a little bummed, 354 00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:49.359 but I think edge it would be really like wow, really that's the route. 355 00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:52.519 And so if they get to that, I think, and we haven't 356 00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:55.799 talked about this much, but I think that's like the trade down scenario, 357 00:25:56.160 --> 00:26:00.319 Yeah, where they try to move down because edge will be in demand and 358 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:03.359 so someone might want to move up and get one of these guys. So 359 00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:07.279 hopefully these edge players just go and it pushes the offensive tackles down the board, 360 00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:11.200 pushes the corners down the board, and obviously Byron Murphy and Johnny Newton 361 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:15.519 down the board. You want Johnny Newton to fall to round two and be 362 00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:18.640 stick out like a sore thumb like he has in some of these mock drafts, 363 00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:23.480 even though it's unrealistic. But yeah, overall, this one s it's 364 00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:27.440 like one emergency. It's the emergency scenario where you don't have a trade back. 365 00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:33.599 A board just falls a certain way and so Failutanu and Verse. They're 366 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:38.279 probably slightly higher than that. Definitely, Fiutanu. I feel pretty comfortable saying 367 00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:42.559 that because if you're the Bengals, would you really turn down the top offensive 368 00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:45.680 lineman on your board, And there's a realistic chance that he is the top 369 00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:49.599 offensive lineman on their board in some scenarios, and maybe he's just your left 370 00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:55.200 guard and maybe you have a pro Bowl left guard and that's just what he's 371 00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:57.160 going to be for you. And if you're comfortable with that, then you 372 00:26:57.160 --> 00:27:02.400 would pull the trigger and it would give you an upgrade for your starting five 373 00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:07.400 right now, whereas one of these tackles you maybe upgrade you're starting five if 374 00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:08.759 you think he's better than Trent Brown. If you think that, and I 375 00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:12.880 think that any of those guys in one B should be really pushing and should 376 00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:15.759 be Trent Brown for a starting job. I said that last night too. 377 00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:22.319 Maybe it makes you better, but you maybe haven't improved all five of your 378 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:26.519 spots or whatever it is, unless you think Trent Brown can play left guard, 379 00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:30.279 which I'm not so sure about. But the more we've talked about this, 380 00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:32.640 James, the more I think that maybe we just have too many players 381 00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:37.559 in one B because we were trying to get eighteen players into the groups between 382 00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:41.799 one A and one B plus the four quarterbacks, and maybe there just aren't 383 00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:44.920 that many guys. Maybe both of those edge players should be in one C 384 00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:49.240 and then be seen as backup plans. Although we know the Bengals value edge 385 00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:55.519 and having a potential first round duo on the edge, if they develop and 386 00:27:55.559 --> 00:27:59.200 become the players we think they should be, would be a weapon for this 387 00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:03.119 defense, no doubt about it. I don't think that they're the primary or 388 00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:07.079 secondary plan for the Bengals. So maybe those guys should just be both Latu 389 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:12.759 and Turner in one see wouldn't wouldn't shock me. That's why they're at the 390 00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:18.319 bottom of the one B group, And if that did happen or it was 391 00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:22.359 that way on the Bengals board, I do think it would make sense because, 392 00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:27.480 again this draft, it feels like you need to take the swing to 393 00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:34.799 try to land this awesome trench player, and unless Brock falls or unless the 394 00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:40.519 trench guys are gone, it's pretty much it's that simple. Doesn't it feel 395 00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:42.799 that simple? I don't think you're considering a corner or an edge player. 396 00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:47.119 I think you're taking a tackle unless you view one of these guys as a 397 00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:49.759 guard like Fautano as a guard. But I think you're taking an offensive lineman 398 00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:55.079 or an interior defensive lineman unless unless Brock Bowers falls are one of the big 399 00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:57.559 three receivers fall. If that guy is there, you're taking it, and 400 00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:00.839 that's what the Bengals are hoping. Yeah, I think unless there are six 401 00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:07.079 offensive linemen and a defensive tackle picked before the Bengals pick, and that's where 402 00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:10.279 you can see them going corner, which is why we have the corners where 403 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:12.680 we do. I agree with you, James. Let's quickly talk about some 404 00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:15.920 of these guys in the two category. You might have noticed, and we 405 00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:19.559 didn't have any other receivers in the one group, including ad Mitchell, who 406 00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:26.079 our guy, Mike Santagaa at Bengals Sans on Twitter was arguing fervently in favor 407 00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:29.839 for and Brian Thomas Junior, both in the two A group, Jackson Powers, 408 00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:33.559 Johnson, Graham Barton, some interior offensive linemen in that group as well, 409 00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:37.759 in addition to Corner kool Aid McKinstry. But we didn't really have any 410 00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:41.759 huge arguments last night that any of these guys should be pushed up into one 411 00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:45.720 seat. We were kind of in agreement that if and as expected, the 412 00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:49.079 first three receivers go, the Bengals are not really targeting a first round wide 413 00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:55.920 receiver this year, given that the other two options and Mitchell and Thomas primarily 414 00:29:56.599 --> 00:30:02.039 don't really tick all their boxes and they have some pretty established patterns of wide 415 00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:06.519 receiver and what a storyline here, And I do think they're going to take 416 00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:11.119 a day two wide receiver, especially since they have three picks. When do 417 00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:15.640 they decide to make the exception to the rule right and odds are they're going 418 00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:18.200 to have to And maybe it's at forty nine, Maybe it doesn't work and 419 00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:22.799 it doesn't fall to them where they're not in on Troy Franklin or Lad Maconkey 420 00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:26.720 because of size or because of production or because of how they project those guys, 421 00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:32.359 or Ricky Pursol because of age or because of that they think he's a 422 00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:34.839 slot only or whatever the case is. Xavier Laget only one year of production. 423 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.160 I mean, we could go down all of the lists here of these 424 00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:44.200 guys and it's like, all right, well, and even Brian Thomas Sands 425 00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:45.720 is like, yeah, he doesn't run a lot of routes. Do they 426 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:49.119 think they could teach him a full route tree and it works, Yeah, 427 00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:55.480 maybe, is it worth using at eighteen? Probably not? And so that's 428 00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:59.400 what's going to be really interesting to me. They know they need a receiver. 429 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:03.000 Wouldn't shock me if they doubled down at receiver with a Day two and 430 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:07.000 a Day three pick. But where do they address it? Because most likely 431 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:10.920 more times than not, if they take a receiver on Day two, and 432 00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:14.200 I think they will, it's going to be there's going to be at least 433 00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:15.839 one exception, one thing that they don't hit, whether it's weight, size, 434 00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:19.599 production age, and so which one are they willing to bend on or 435 00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:23.680 for which guys? That's the question. And when they make these draft picks 436 00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:27.519 next week, we'll talk about how the players they've picked either fit or don't 437 00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:30.720 fit into their historical trends. And it's a big part of what we do 438 00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:34.119 and we try to predict what the Bengals will do, is we look at 439 00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:38.599 what they've done and we have a pretty good feeling for the kinds of players 440 00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:42.680 they pick and when they pick them, especially in the first round and more 441 00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:47.039 so at some positions than others. They start to make exceptions the longer the 442 00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:48.799 draft goes, which is why you see such a big group of receivers. 443 00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:52.960 For example, in that two B group, if you're watching on YouTube, 444 00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:56.200 Troy Franklin, Lat mccacky's AVI worthy is avier to get key on Coleman, 445 00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:00.359 Ricky pursll All in that two B group and just some defensive lineman, some 446 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:06.160 offensive tackles and some more defensive linemen in two C. But we'll have this 447 00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:09.160 out, it'll be published. You'll you'll see it on Twitter. In it's 448 00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:15.240 it's wild though, like Franklin size Maconkie size productions. If you're worthy, 449 00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:21.079 obviously size he weighs as much as your right leg. Kean Coleman runs as 450 00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:24.400 fast as your right leg. You know, it's it's It is interesting because 451 00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:27.640 I could see them being in on some of these guys. I just don't 452 00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:30.240 know who, because there will be exceptions. Just a hammer at home. 453 00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:36.759 Coleman and Brendan Rice are the day two wide receivers that look like they fit 454 00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:40.880 what the Bengals profile is the most. And then there's the Washington wide receiver, 455 00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:46.279 Jayleen McMillan, who visited Millan is the other one. But there is 456 00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:51.160 there is a yellow flag on McMillan's profile for the Bengals too, So no 457 00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:54.480 matter what, like you said, though, like that's that's not They don't 458 00:32:54.559 --> 00:33:00.920 usually go for six, so it's tough. Even even last time it was 459 00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:06.680 a younger player and a bigger slot than Tyler Boyd. Sure, and that's 460 00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:10.359 do they want to take a slot, Not that he's necessarily a slot only, 461 00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:15.359 but maybe I think it's it's so interesting because we know they prioritize wide 462 00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:20.680 receiver. There isn't a perfect or many perfect targets put it that way, 463 00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:23.119 and I have done some scenarios where it just didn't make sense to take the 464 00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:27.880 receiver for whatever reason. And there will be scenarios where the Bengals look at 465 00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:32.079 and they say, you know what, we'd rather take Coolan McKinstry or I 466 00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:37.039 don't know, kings Leysuamatia because he falls, and they don't go wide receiver 467 00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:39.160 in the second round. And then the third round comes around, maybe they 468 00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:44.000 go tight end and running back or something, or another defensive tackle or something. 469 00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:50.240 So there are scenarios. Yeah, certainly one of the names we're watching 470 00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:52.799 there in the two C group, but there are scenarios where they don't go 471 00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:57.240 Day two receiver. We just think that it's not one of the necessarily one 472 00:33:57.279 --> 00:34:00.000 of the most likely, but it does exist. This list will be out 473 00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.640 there, Like I said, it'll be on the socials, It'll be published 474 00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:06.880 in its entirety. You can find it on probably Joe Goodbarri's Twitter page, 475 00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:08.599 on my twitter page, on James's Twitter page. It will be out there. 476 00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:12.480 Hopefully this gives you an idea of the process we went through and some 477 00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.559 of the discussions. We had that full video on Cincinnati Bengals Talk. But 478 00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:20.239 that's going to do it for this episode of the Locked On Bengals podcast. 479 00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:24.360 The draft is next week. Until then, thanks for listening, who day 480 00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:30.159 and having a good one. Hey, Prime members. You can listen to 481 00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:37.519 this Lockdown podcast at free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today.