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big board, predicting what we think the order might look like as the Bengals
are setting their board over the course of this week and next week leading into
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Bengals Talk You Me. A bunch of Bengals draft analysts Mike Santagata coach,
Matt Minnick, Joe Goobberry, Patrick Carlyle, Draft Guy, Jared your Guy,
Andrew Fox Miller were together looking at a Bengals big board. Did I
miss anybody? Did I forget? Oh? You nailed it. I'm shot
everybody. I wouldn't have nailed it. I'll be honest. I would have
had to look at the roster to make sure it's you know, it's it's
like remembering every draft pick in the moment, right It's It's tough to do,
but you nailed it. It was a lot of fun. We put
together what the big board could look like, what we think the Bengals big
board looks like. In round one. If you're watching on YouTube, we
have a list here and the round one guys one A, one B,
one seed. Those are ranked in order. The second round two A,
two B, two C they're not ranked in order, but the tiers are
about what we think the Bengals would be. But it was a lot of
fun and just full disclosure pat ourselves on the back. Last year, Miles
Murphy was the highest player remaining on our predictive Bengals board when they took Miles
Murphy. So hopefully we can go two for two this year in a year
Jake that Let's be honest here, a lot of people focused on the trenches
when we were setting the board. The trenches, certainly in round one were
a hot topic, and I'm sure they will be today as well. Yeah,
there were a discussion around positional value taxes for interior offensive linemen and positional
value boosts for offensive tackles. And just to reiterate what you're talking about here,
we've got six tiers essentially that we're looking at. We've got the first
round split into three categories. We've got the second round split into three categories,
A, B, and C. A being the guys that you're not
expecting to be available to you, the guys that you think are going to
go before you but you need to rank in case they do fall. The
guys that you're clearly picking ahead of everybody, ahead of the next bucket the
top third or so of the first round. And we didn't include quarterbacks here,
of course, because we don't think there are quarterbacks on the Bengals board
in the first round. But assuming there will be four quarterbacks, you want
to make sure you have eighteen players that you're comfortable with. You have them
ranked from one to eighteen, so you know who the top guy is.
You've gone through all your tie breakers, you've figured out Okay, maybe there's
a positional value tie breaker, So the tackles that we might have tied with
a Byron Murphy, or maybe if you're a Johnny Newton, those guys are
ahead, or maybe you like the corners, maybe the tackles by positional value
are a little bit ahead. Even if they're film grade or whatever, their
overall grade will be the same. So the idea here is to get that
process done and hashed out. And like James said, we think the first
round in order of what we think the Bengals will do, not necessarily what
we would do, but based on their history, just starting at the top,
and we're not going to spend a lot of time in the one A
category because we don't expect any of these guys to be available to the Bengals.
We think that the Bengals would still value any of the big three wide
receivers ahead of anybody else in this class. And there was some discussion about
those receivers versus Joe Alt and that being very interesting, hearkening back to the
Penne Suol versus Jamar Chase discussion, Would they do that again even though they
already have Jamar Chase on the roster. Obviously, we ultimately landed on yes,
we think they would, But I do think that was one of the
more interesting questions we discussed in this group. Yeah, for sure, really
interesting and I think sort of the tie breaker is And I know there's a
lot of talk about how deep this receiver class is, but we really got
into it on the stream after the Big three. Everyone has something, there's
a flaw, award, a whatever. All these receivers have something wrong where
it's at least a slight concern. And there are a lot of guys I
like in this class, but these top three are just so unique and so
different, and so I think the Bengals would go with one of them.
We do have those three and Joel ahead of brock Bowers, but we have
Brock Bowers in the one A category, ahead of any of the offensive tackles,
ahead of any of the cornerbacks, ahead of Byron Murphy or Johnny Newton.
And I think that that would be debated amongst a lot of different people
right listening, and a lot of people would agree. And I think a
lot of people are out on brock Bauers because of the positional value, and
I do. I think it is interesting and it would still be even if
Brock is higher on their board, It would still be a real debate if
the top offensive lineman and say one b Olufashanu made his way to eighteen and
Brock made his way to eighteen. The path to that happening where both guys
is there are there is next to zero like it's probably not going to happen,
but if it did, I think that that would be a really tough
decision for the Bengals, and it was for us as we debated it.
Yeah, we moved Olu Fashanu from the one A group to the one B
group because to everybody that was discussing, we thought that there was a clear
gap between the blue tippers, the guys that we have in the one A
group and the guys that we have in the one B group, including Fashionu,
although we also all agreed that Fashionu would be the top of one B
if he were available to the Bengals. He fits what they want to do
in a lot of ways and brings athleticism that a guy like jac Latham doesn't
necessarily bring, but also has the pass protection experience and the pass protection production
and tape in college to say, you feel really good about his fit in
a Bengals offense that asks a lot of their tackles in pass protection. That
being said, we eventually kind of got to the point where we thought,
yeah, they would take brock powers over any of these offensive tackles. I'm
still not sure about that personally. I still think that some of them could
be very close, and fashion U probably leads the way there. Maybe they
like Fuaga a lot more than we think they do, too, we have
him at the bottom of this group of tackles. I'm not one hundred percent
convinced that that's the case either, but based on what we think we know
about them, we made arguments and we'll get there. When we discussed the
one BE group, but the big takeaway was outside of Joel, We actually
think that the Bengals would pick the tight end despite positional value or whatever you
want to argue, because he's still a blue chipper who can still make a
huge difference for this offense over the tackles. Yeah, for sure, and
he's rare. He's hard to find, and that's the element too in a
shallow tight end class. That's exactly what this year is. The top of
it is as good as we've seen in a long time. I mean,
I think brock Bauers it would be higher on the Bengals board than a Kyle
Pitts potentially if they were both coming out at the same time. Now maybe
not, but I think so when you look at the profile. Now,
he didn't test, and so that is concerning when you don't have that.
But man, was he productive at Georgia and they do have the GPS numbers
and all of those things to look at. So it's a debate that I
hope the Bengals one. I know they're having two and have already had two.
I hope it's some that we see on Draft night where he makes it
to eighteen with one of these other high one be trench players because it's just
an interesting dilemma, interesting debate, and you want the best players to fall,
and he would be one of the best players that could realistically fall.
Daniel Jeremiah saying, by the way, on a conference call on Wednesday with
the media that he does before the drafts that the Bengals that's a throw a
parade pick if Brock Bauers fell at eighteen. Obviously, we had Dan Brugler
on earlier this week. Make sure you check out that entire interview, and
he said, oh, well, that's a no brainer if he fell to
eighteen. I don't think either guy expects Brock to be there, but if
he did, it's hard for me to envision a scenario where he's not the
top guy on their board. That's right. I think that they could talk
themselves into one of the tackles they could. We're still making educated guesses here,
but this is how we think it would shake out as the Bengals.
I think at this point, their first round board is set. They've eliminated
all the are going to eliminate from the board, that's the first thing they
do. They've probably stacked the first round, they've probably gotten into the second
round, and they probably are quite a ways into this process now. These
meetings happening over the last week. We'll continue our discussion of this big board
getting into the one B group in more detail coming out next. Today's episode
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Steelers. Let's get back into this second group, James the one B category
here starting with Olu Fashanu, Amarius Men's second, JC Lathan third, Talifuanga
fourth. We went with four straight offensive tackles in this group. And you
might notice that fought Neu was not one of those names mentioned for those listening
and not watching on YouTube. He's actually in the one C group because our
group wasn't convinced that the Bengals see him as a tackle and that he could
make a seamless transition to the NFL. He could be the number one guard
on the board, and in fact he is. Eventually we'll get there,
you'll see the number one guard. But he played left tackle in college,
and even if he profiles to a guard in the NFL, like maybe you
think Fuaga does, at least Fuaga did play right tackle. And that's why
Fuaga is in that group. But from the inexperienced question marks of Amarius Mims,
the athleticism question marks for JC Latham, the positional question marks for Tali
Fuaga. That's why we ended up with this order with fashion who on top,
even though he was a left tackle who would need to transition to right
tackle for the Bengals. Even though there might be some run blocking concerns,
some development required for the young tackle. All these guys either have athleticism,
youth experience, and there's one thing missing out of that group for all of
them as we tried to stack these four. Sure, yeah, just a
hair just a little bit of an issue here there. I think it's it's
interesting our listeners certainly and viewers know how I feel about Amarius Mims in the
upside. But Olu Fashionu, and I'm glad I'm saying the name right now,
thanks to Dan Brugler by the way, in correcting me because I said
it wrong earlier in the show. But past blocking, that's what the Bengals
are looking for. Can you come in and be an awesome pass blocker?
And I think he's ready to go in that area, and so, yeah,
does he need to learn right tackle as well. Sure, but they
can work him on both sides. It would certainly be nice to have someone
who can play both sides and he doesn't need to start right away. That's
the other element here with all of these guys. They don't need the guy
that comes in, and not that any of them have a low ceiling,
but that is ready to go now. But if he maxes out, he
isn't an all pro or he isn't a pro bowler like you want to try
to find that with this pick. If you're going offensive tackle. And that's
why to me, fashion U and Mims are they just have a really really
high ceiling. So does JC Latham, by the way, and I think
the Bengals are going to love Latham. There's also a chance that he falls.
Wouldn't shock me if he fell to eighteen, and so that's the order
with a guy like Fuaga, who you're right, maybe he is higher.
But I think if you're the Bengals and you can get any of these four,
you feel really good about it. And I think that's why they lead
the way and are ahead of a Byron Murphy who is as popular. I
think he's the most popular Bengals target right now, I pick eighteen. You
just look at these mocks. Dan Brugler mocked him. I just the fans
that have mocked him on social Would you agree with that? As of now,
I don't have any metric backing. That's just what I've seen, But
it feels like Biron Murphy is the most popular pick right now for the Bengals.
Yeah, the vibes are Murphy. And there's some vote splitting among the
tackles. That's part of the problem. If you have well, it's going
to be one of these four tackles, they are going to get, say,
nineteen percent of the vote, and maybe bier Murphy gets twenty one percent
of the vote or whatever it is, and bier Murphy ends up being the
most popular because you're splitting the vote so much among the tackles. If we
had one crystallized offensive tackle prospect put it had to have a bier Murphy.
Well, we saw in our Bengals bracket a couple of weeks ago bier Murphy
did not emerge victorious at that point in time. Maybe the results would be
different today as sentiments change over time. But you're right, the top of
the tackle listing is largely based on upside. I think that Fashion New and
Men's have the most upside. Men certainly the most outside out of this group
of tackles. But I think any of those, like you said, James,
our guys the Bengals would be happy with. And a good point that
Joe Goodbury made on the show last night when we were discussing this live on
Cincinnati Bengals Talk, was that one of these guys is likely to be available
to the Bengals, maybe too, depending on where the corners go, depending
on who. The surprise in the top seventeen is that we haven't anticipated,
but we're not really sure which one, like any of them could fall.
You've seen fashionw fall, You've seen Men's fall, You've seen Latham fall,
you've seen Fuuaga fall. You just don't know which one, but likely at
least fall, Fashion New fall. To me go protect Joe wee b oh
sorry good, I'm good man, I'm good. I'm just trying to This
is the time of year, like within a week at the draft, where
you try to will things, speak things into existence, and sometimes it works,
sometimes it doesn't. For me, Fashion New is as big of a
home run pick in it. I think more realistic, by the way than
brock Power's following. So I think there's at least four teams in on brock
So fashion is someone I'm trying to will to the Bengals at eight, and
we could see both guys picked in the top ten. That just could be
the way it goes. That being said, I'm trying to will it,
and you got to be real with it, I could kill it. Where
I'm going with this is there are other options in the one B category that
we like it tackle and we think there's great upside to tackle, and one
of them could be available to the Bengals. It's just going to depend on
what they're valuing and where they're most comfortable. Are they most comfortable with Latham's
lack of testing and apparent lesser degree of athleticism than Fuaga or Mims, Or
are they more uncomfortable with Mims's lack of experience even though the ceiling is infinite
and the tape is pretty good when he's on the field, It's just an
experience topic. That being said, we're still on the same page where we
think plan A is offensive tackle and that any of these guys will be ahead
of by Murphy or either of the corners who are next after Buyer Murphy in
this group. Yeah, and so just to give especially our audio listeners,
fashion New Mims, Lathan Fuaga, then Murphy, Tarian, Arnold quinnan Mitchell,
and you could flip those two. It might be Mitchell and then Arnold,
who knows, and then Layatu Latu and Dallas Turner. That's our one
B group and that's probably the next Bengal unless they go with Troy Faitanu,
which I think is interesting. That's the one guy in one Sea that I
look at and I'm like, ooh at eighteen, I could see it,
and at the same time he might not even make it to eighteen. So
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have right here talking about things that we might need to massage. Still,
as we're looking at this, Dallas Turner kind of sticks out to me as
a player who doesn't fit what they'd like to do at the edge position.
He's kind of there because we're expecting him to be the potentially first defensive player
picked in the top. Yeah, but we have Jared Verse here in the
one C group and Cooper Degen in the one C group, and Troy Fontanu
in the one C group, and heck even Johnny Newton in the one seed
group. And are we for all of these guys, Maybe maybe Newton,
but for some of these guys, you can see some of them ahead of
Dallas Turner for the Bengals based on what they like to do. And font
new and Verse are the two that stand out to me is as more for
for either positional value or the type of player they like at the position,
more Bengally ahead of Dallas Turner. But once we get to this one seed
group, we're kind of looking at backup plans. And that's the idea here
is that you have eighteen players in one A, one B because of where
you're picking as the Bengals, and then if something goes really crazy or you
trade back, then that's why we have the one C group. Yeah,
and all right, So it's just to establish it because I say it wrong
too, So I just looked it up in the Beast to confirm. So
Troy Filutanu is to me it would be ahead of Dallas Turner, and it's
it's kind of the the tie break. I would have him in in the
one B column where it's like, all right, maybe Byron Murphy's gone,
maybe the medicals don't check out for mems and and the rest of the offensive
tackles are gone. Well, Filotanu is a great option and he is versatile,
and who knows, maybe they play him inside to start. I doubt
it. I think they would take him at that spot, thinking all right,
he can be a quality right tackle for us for years to come,
and maybe as early as this season. So that's the one that really stands
out. I could feel people wondering about Johnny Newton, and it's it's really
been since the combine. The NFL is lower on Johnny Newton, not just
the Bengals, the NFL lower on Johnny Newton than social media consensus, than
draft analysts outside of NFL media or NFL media, but outside of NFL rooms,
in front offices, scouts, etc. And So I think it's interesting
because there's not much doubt on our end. I think that Johnny Newton's gonna
be a really really good player, maybe a great player, But do we
think he's realistic at eighteen for the Bengals, Probably not. He could be
a trade down candidate, which is why we have him in one CE for
the Bengals. But obviously I I would be surprised if most of our listeners
wouldn't take Johnny Newton over a handful at least a handful of those one B
prospects that we've listed and discussed. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if he's
certainly ahead of the corners. I think the poll we did during the bracket
showed that he was the head of Byron Murphy as well, even if it
was you know, ten percent or so. I think from that voting group
more prefer Newton than prefer Murphy. So he is a one see because we
think that's where the Bengals would be. But if it were us, Newton
is one of those that would definitely be higher. If it was US,
maybe Tyler Goeiton would be in the two group, But as we were discussing
this yesterday, Tyler Goyiton the end of one seed. Just so for our
audio listeners, the one seed group is Troy Faotanu, Cooper Degene, Jared
Versus Johnny Newton, Nate Wiggins, and Tyler Goeiton, And we ended up
moving Degene up a little bit, especially with Louanna Rumo's praise of Iowa defensive
players. His testing was really good at his pro day. He's probably just
a good outside corner and corner. If you like Arnold and Mitchell, it's
easy to argue that maybe the Bengals would like Cooper de Gene as well,
and we think they will like Arnold and Mitchell. So Tyler Go sneaks into
one seed because we think if they traded back at the back of the first
round for the traits perspective, size, athleticism, strength, it's easy to
argue that that is one of the guys they would put into a trade back
grouping. But Fatanu, to your point, James is the one that I
could see sneaking into one Bee and even Verse ahead of Dallas Turner. Or
maybe Dallas Turner is just too high and we should be switching Baltu to one
Bee and Turner behind Verse or something like that. In one C. Yeah,
and that's that's probably fair, and I actually think that's that's realistic.
But that's the beauty of having the roundtable that we had. But yeah,
I think Fautano would be higher. I agree with you Verse and there wasn't
much debate about Verse being the better fit. It's so that I would be
surprised, though, I'd be surprised if they go edge regardless. I think
that's the one position. Like corner, people would be a little bummed,
but I think edge it would be really like wow, really that's the route.
And so if they get to that, I think, and we haven't
talked about this much, but I think that's like the trade down scenario,
Yeah, where they try to move down because edge will be in demand and
so someone might want to move up and get one of these guys. So
hopefully these edge players just go and it pushes the offensive tackles down the board,
pushes the corners down the board, and obviously Byron Murphy and Johnny Newton
down the board. You want Johnny Newton to fall to round two and be
stick out like a sore thumb like he has in some of these mock drafts,
even though it's unrealistic. But yeah, overall, this one s it's
like one emergency. It's the emergency scenario where you don't have a trade back.
A board just falls a certain way and so Failutanu and Verse. They're
probably slightly higher than that. Definitely, Fiutanu. I feel pretty comfortable saying
that because if you're the Bengals, would you really turn down the top offensive
lineman on your board, And there's a realistic chance that he is the top
offensive lineman on their board in some scenarios, and maybe he's just your left
guard and maybe you have a pro Bowl left guard and that's just what he's
going to be for you. And if you're comfortable with that, then you
would pull the trigger and it would give you an upgrade for your starting five
right now, whereas one of these tackles you maybe upgrade you're starting five if
you think he's better than Trent Brown. If you think that, and I
think that any of those guys in one B should be really pushing and should
be Trent Brown for a starting job. I said that last night too.
Maybe it makes you better, but you maybe haven't improved all five of your
spots or whatever it is, unless you think Trent Brown can play left guard,
which I'm not so sure about. But the more we've talked about this,
James, the more I think that maybe we just have too many players
in one B because we were trying to get eighteen players into the groups between
one A and one B plus the four quarterbacks, and maybe there just aren't
that many guys. Maybe both of those edge players should be in one C
and then be seen as backup plans. Although we know the Bengals value edge
and having a potential first round duo on the edge, if they develop and
become the players we think they should be, would be a weapon for this
defense, no doubt about it. I don't think that they're the primary or
secondary plan for the Bengals. So maybe those guys should just be both Latu
and Turner in one see wouldn't wouldn't shock me. That's why they're at the
bottom of the one B group, And if that did happen or it was
that way on the Bengals board, I do think it would make sense because,
again this draft, it feels like you need to take the swing to
try to land this awesome trench player, and unless Brock falls or unless the
trench guys are gone, it's pretty much it's that simple. Doesn't it feel
that simple? I don't think you're considering a corner or an edge player.
I think you're taking a tackle unless you view one of these guys as a
guard like Fautano as a guard. But I think you're taking an offensive lineman
or an interior defensive lineman unless unless Brock Bowers falls are one of the big
three receivers fall. If that guy is there, you're taking it, and
that's what the Bengals are hoping. Yeah, I think unless there are six
offensive linemen and a defensive tackle picked before the Bengals pick, and that's where
you can see them going corner, which is why we have the corners where
we do. I agree with you, James. Let's quickly talk about some
of these guys in the two category. You might have noticed, and we
didn't have any other receivers in the one group, including ad Mitchell, who
our guy, Mike Santagaa at Bengals Sans on Twitter was arguing fervently in favor
for and Brian Thomas Junior, both in the two A group, Jackson Powers,
Johnson, Graham Barton, some interior offensive linemen in that group as well,
in addition to Corner kool Aid McKinstry. But we didn't really have any
huge arguments last night that any of these guys should be pushed up into one
seat. We were kind of in agreement that if and as expected, the
first three receivers go, the Bengals are not really targeting a first round wide
receiver this year, given that the other two options and Mitchell and Thomas primarily
don't really tick all their boxes and they have some pretty established patterns of wide
receiver and what a storyline here, And I do think they're going to take
a day two wide receiver, especially since they have three picks. When do
they decide to make the exception to the rule right and odds are they're going
to have to And maybe it's at forty nine, Maybe it doesn't work and
it doesn't fall to them where they're not in on Troy Franklin or Lad Maconkey
because of size or because of production or because of how they project those guys,
or Ricky Pursol because of age or because of that they think he's a
slot only or whatever the case is. Xavier Laget only one year of production.
I mean, we could go down all of the lists here of these
guys and it's like, all right, well, and even Brian Thomas Sands
is like, yeah, he doesn't run a lot of routes. Do they
think they could teach him a full route tree and it works, Yeah,
maybe, is it worth using at eighteen? Probably not? And so that's
what's going to be really interesting to me. They know they need a receiver.
Wouldn't shock me if they doubled down at receiver with a Day two and
a Day three pick. But where do they address it? Because most likely
more times than not, if they take a receiver on Day two, and
I think they will, it's going to be there's going to be at least
one exception, one thing that they don't hit, whether it's weight, size,
production age, and so which one are they willing to bend on or
for which guys? That's the question. And when they make these draft picks
next week, we'll talk about how the players they've picked either fit or don't
fit into their historical trends. And it's a big part of what we do
and we try to predict what the Bengals will do, is we look at
what they've done and we have a pretty good feeling for the kinds of players
they pick and when they pick them, especially in the first round and more
so at some positions than others. They start to make exceptions the longer the
draft goes, which is why you see such a big group of receivers.
For example, in that two B group, if you're watching on YouTube,
Troy Franklin, Lat mccacky's AVI worthy is avier to get key on Coleman,
Ricky pursll All in that two B group and just some defensive lineman, some
offensive tackles and some more defensive linemen in two C. But we'll have this
out, it'll be published. You'll you'll see it on Twitter. In it's
it's wild though, like Franklin size Maconkie size productions. If you're worthy,
obviously size he weighs as much as your right leg. Kean Coleman runs as
fast as your right leg. You know, it's it's It is interesting because
I could see them being in on some of these guys. I just don't
know who, because there will be exceptions. Just a hammer at home.
Coleman and Brendan Rice are the day two wide receivers that look like they fit
what the Bengals profile is the most. And then there's the Washington wide receiver,
Jayleen McMillan, who visited Millan is the other one. But there is
there is a yellow flag on McMillan's profile for the Bengals too, So no
matter what, like you said, though, like that's that's not They don't
usually go for six, so it's tough. Even even last time it was
a younger player and a bigger slot than Tyler Boyd. Sure, and that's
do they want to take a slot, Not that he's necessarily a slot only,
but maybe I think it's it's so interesting because we know they prioritize wide
receiver. There isn't a perfect or many perfect targets put it that way,
and I have done some scenarios where it just didn't make sense to take the
receiver for whatever reason. And there will be scenarios where the Bengals look at
and they say, you know what, we'd rather take Coolan McKinstry or I
don't know, kings Leysuamatia because he falls, and they don't go wide receiver
in the second round. And then the third round comes around, maybe they
go tight end and running back or something, or another defensive tackle or something.
So there are scenarios. Yeah, certainly one of the names we're watching
there in the two C group, but there are scenarios where they don't go
Day two receiver. We just think that it's not one of the necessarily one
of the most likely, but it does exist. This list will be out
there, Like I said, it'll be on the socials, It'll be published
in its entirety. You can find it on probably Joe Goodbarri's Twitter page,
on my twitter page, on James's Twitter page. It will be out there.
Hopefully this gives you an idea of the process we went through and some
of the discussions. We had that full video on Cincinnati Bengals Talk. But
that's going to do it for this episode of the Locked On Bengals podcast.
The draft is next week. Until then, thanks for listening, who day
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