WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:10.320 Welcome friends, the podcast podcasting time show Jacky again by Hey, they're talking 2 00:00:10.439 --> 00:00:21.839 dot movie Mommy now, Mack. Guess sometimes weird things happen, someone has 3 00:00:21.879 --> 00:00:30.359 to deal with it. And who are you gonna call that? Sucking? 4 00:00:30.399 --> 00:00:37.399 The cuts? Guys were the Ghostbusters. The superstars of the supernatural are back. 5 00:00:38.840 --> 00:00:47.640 Happy New Years them Ghostbusters too. You're the last, We're the beautiful. 6 00:00:48.280 --> 00:00:57.600 We're the only Ghostbusters who you don't call. Welcome to a movie film 7 00:00:57.600 --> 00:00:59.960 commentary track. My name is Eechie Son. I'm here with Brian Hall. 8 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:04.840 Hey, how's it going? Zachi? Hey Brian, Just when I thought 9 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:11.000 it was safe to go back in the wait, No, what's the what's 10 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:15.079 the what's the catchphrase for this one? Are you gonna call? Hey? 11 00:01:15.280 --> 00:01:21.760 Brian? There's something strange in your Apple podcast app? There you are? 12 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:25.959 You gonna call? Brian and Zachi? I like that. There you go. 13 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:30.599 You ran with it, You took the Batona ran with it. Well, 14 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:36.079 we're here to talk through Ghostbusters too, Yeah, which I am very 15 00:01:36.079 --> 00:01:40.959 excited to do because I think when I watched this for research last night, 16 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:44.760 that was the second time I've ever seen it all the way through. This 17 00:01:44.879 --> 00:01:47.959 is still ever So this is still kind of a fresh experience for me. 18 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:53.760 Well, you know, the timing seems apropos. We are mere days away 19 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:59.439 from from a new Ghostbuster sequel, Frozen Empire. That's right, And this 20 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:06.159 is the thirty fifth anniversary of the release of Ghostbusters two. Unbelievable. Yeah, 21 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:08.639 I mean, well, we just recorded the commentary for Leave the Weapon 22 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:13.759 two. I really do feel like Raycinsella in Field of Dreams when he walks 23 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:16.599 back and sees the Godfather on the Marquee in the theater and he's walking through 24 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:21.319 nineteen seventy two. I feel like I've been walking through nineteen eighty nine. 25 00:02:21.639 --> 00:02:25.360 I mean, you know, crazy coincidence. I've sent you a picture of 26 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:28.960 this or showed it to you actually when you visited. But the movie theater 27 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:31.319 down the street from me, they were filming something there. We think it 28 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:36.360 may be Stranger Things. But they changed the Marquee to all nineteen eighty nine 29 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:38.879 titles. Yeah. Right, So when I drive down the street, I'm 30 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:44.120 seeing nineteen eighty nine movies. I'm talking nothing being put nineteen eighty nine movies 31 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:46.840 with you. I I'm kind of loving it. I'm not gonna lie. 32 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:50.080 I was about to say when we drove by that marquee. I was kind 33 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:53.759 of like, Brian, just leave me here. I let me live up 34 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:59.840 my days in front of them. I tell you what. They showed Field 35 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:04.479 of Dreams at the Regal Cinemas down the street from me last week, and 36 00:03:04.520 --> 00:03:07.319 I went and saw it, and I seriously I felt like I was being 37 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:09.960 hugged for ninety minutes. I mean it was just I mean the movie itself, 38 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:14.080 of course, but just it reminded me of being young and watching that 39 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:17.319 film. And yeah, I mean, come on, I think that when 40 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:23.919 it comes to my nascent film buff Life, Summer of eighty nine is sort 41 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:29.960 of like like one of those you know, it's like a touchstone moment one 42 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:34.039 hundred percent. I mean obviously the top three are you know, Batman eighty 43 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:39.759 nine, Indiana, Jones in the Last Crusade and Lethal Weapon too. Yeah. 44 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:45.199 But I mean actually, when this movie ended, Federika and I watched 45 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:47.719 it together and I was like, honey, can we watch Honey I Shrunk 46 00:03:47.759 --> 00:03:51.800 the Kids next time. I just I just want to keep going on my 47 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:55.759 walk through nineteen eighty nine. Not a bad neighborhood to walk through at that. 48 00:03:57.039 --> 00:04:00.240 Yeah, yeah, so hey, I'm excited to go through this with 49 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:02.919 you. Why don't we take a short break and then we will come back 50 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:16.040 and we will watch Ghostbusters too in nineteen year old. Okay, we are 51 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:18.199 back and ready to go. I'm cute up, Brian, you cued up? 52 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:21.639 I am all right. Well, if you want to watch along with 53 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:24.399 this, you certainly can. We will hit play on three. We'll do 54 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:26.360 the usual thing, one, two, three play. If you don't want 55 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:28.720 to watch along, hey, that's fine. We'll try to keep the conversation 56 00:04:28.879 --> 00:04:32.240 as engaging as we can, but we will hit play on three. So 57 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:42.360 here we go, one to three play. All right, get that old 58 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:47.839 school Columbia Pictures logo, the one without the a Nette Benning woman. Have 59 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:51.000 we decided whether that is in fact a Net Benning or is just somebody who 60 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:54.879 looks like her? Is that? You know? There's a thing that goes 61 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:58.959 around every now and then online where they show the picture that was used as 62 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:02.639 the inspiration for that painting, and it does resemble the woman modeling in that 63 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:08.720 making, So I'm not entirely sure. But so this slim right here, 64 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:14.240 this nice, nice, nice pink slime. Yes, that is kind of 65 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:18.680 a subtle nod to the animated series and sort of acknowledging that in the five 66 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:24.360 years since this movie came out, the Real Ghostbusters cartoon Show had become just 67 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:28.560 as important a part of this brand as the film that spawned the whole thing. 68 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:32.120 What do you mean, how does that relate to the I think the 69 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:39.720 cartoon show had much more colorful and neon slime. Well, I was reading, 70 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:43.560 Actually, I do love this cold open here basically right where you just 71 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:46.560 see everyone in a bad mood, just being terrible. Yeah, which, 72 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:50.399 of course, if you know the plot upon rewatch, it's kind of fun 73 00:05:50.439 --> 00:05:54.199 to see, like, oh, there's this negative energy going around, you 74 00:05:54.240 --> 00:06:01.839 know, the goo rises. I like that. I like that. Going 75 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:03.759 back to what you're saying, yes, the animated show, So I was 76 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:10.120 reading a lot about how they did keep the animated show in mind when they 77 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:13.079 were putting this movie together. I mean you can see it with Janine, 78 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:18.480 right, I mean Janine, it looks like, yeah, like they they 79 00:06:18.879 --> 00:06:26.439 put Annie Potts through the Animatron and he came out looking like that. Yeah. 80 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:30.000 Yeah. And also Slimmer, the fact that Slimer pops up in this 81 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:35.000 film and by implication, he's like living in the firehouse right right, which 82 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:41.240 because I think my introduction to Ghostbusters was the cartoon, and I thought Slammer 83 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:44.000 was their pal. And so in the first one, you know, when 84 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:48.399 he's just this random ghost the encounter who's not friendly, you know, yeah, 85 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:53.720 and I guess they cuted him up a little bit too. In this 86 00:06:53.759 --> 00:07:00.639 one they did, yeah, yeah, which I mean, And that's the 87 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:01.800 thing, right, I mean, this movie came out five years later. 88 00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:06.120 I was I was nine going on ten, and I loved the first movie 89 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:11.560 and I loved the cartoon. So it was kind of interesting because that five 90 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:15.439 years did not seem as interminable as you think, you know, given five 91 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:19.279 years, that's like half my life, you know, it's a funny way 92 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:23.720 putting it. Yeah, right, because the cartoon had always been there, 93 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:29.360 like these characters were in my life continuously for that for that gap, Well 94 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:31.439 you kind of answered a question I had for you, because I've said on 95 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:35.240 here before. I think I saw Ghostbusters once when I was a kid. 96 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:40.560 I was definitely like liked it as a brand. I liked the cartoon, 97 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:44.000 but I don't have it, you know, memorized like I would something like 98 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:46.079 The Goonies or Back to the Future or something, And so I was curious 99 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:50.759 then by the real quick, real quick, another Mari owned Trainer appearance. 100 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:55.560 I know. I actually I pointed and called her out last night when we 101 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:57.759 watched this because I was like, hey, like, she's just like such 102 00:07:57.759 --> 00:08:03.199 a welcome presence in these eighties eighties films. Yep, oh a Robert samchis 103 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:07.839 at the time, right at the time. Yeah. So between this and 104 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:11.120 Lethal Weapon Too, she had a pretty good summer in terms of the movies 105 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:13.720 she got to appear in. Yeah, and then Die Hard of course. 106 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:18.720 Well, and and oh, by the way, here's Jason rerightman, Yeah, 107 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:22.439 which I had no idea that was him until about a year or so 108 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:24.680 ago. And so when he says, my dad says, you guys are 109 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:28.040 full of crap, that's pretty funny. Yeah, and now he's caring man. 110 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:31.720 He plays a kid named Jason, so by extension, his dad is 111 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:39.159 Ivan. Right now. I love this, And sorry, we'll circle back 112 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:41.159 to what you were saying before. But I love the fact number one, 113 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:45.919 the fact that the Ghostbusters theme song exists in the world of the Ghostbusters. 114 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:50.120 That's right, that's right. But also that kids in eighty nine would be 115 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:56.679 like he man is the most incongress thing about this whole damn movie. Oh, 116 00:08:56.679 --> 00:09:01.120 because it's too late. He Man was by extremely done by eighty nine 117 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:07.519 rights, so funny Ninja Turtles maybe, yes, this is when I was 118 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:11.159 into Ninja Turtles. You're right, because then the film is coming out next 119 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:13.440 year. Yeah. If anything, they should have said Batman. That would 120 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.799 have been kind of funny because Batman and ended up kicking this movie's ass. 121 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:20.720 I think I read that in one of the other dubs, like in Spanish 122 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:24.720 or something. It was Batman. Oh really see that that would make more 123 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:28.600 sense. Yeah, Batman's kind of evergreen. Oh and but actually no, 124 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:31.240 that's your competition, so maybe they don't want to call out Batman. That's 125 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:35.840 a good point, right to sha. Yeah, we're talking about the animated 126 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:39.200 show Winston. The fact that he does not have a mustache is another slight 127 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:46.399 nod to how Winston looked in the cartoon show. M sorry you were saying 128 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:48.960 earlier. You know, I was just curious. I mean, being like 129 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:52.679 a big fan of the first Ghostbusters, I mean, were you chomping at 130 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:56.399 the bit for this sequel? How did you feel about it when you saw 131 00:09:56.440 --> 00:09:58.120 it? I mean, especially when you were a kid and you maybe a 132 00:09:58.120 --> 00:10:01.639 little more open minded to just being happy to see you know, your favorite 133 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:07.279 characters back again, versus like scrutinizing the film. So it was definitely the 134 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:09.799 latter part of what you said. I was. I was happy to see 135 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:11.600 them back, and I was actually thinking about this before we got on, 136 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:16.080 like Summer of eighty nine obviously is the Summer of Batman. But I was 137 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:20.639 not surprised when I saw the trailers for Ghostbusters too, so on some level 138 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:26.039 I knew it was on the way mm hmm, right, So I knew 139 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:28.679 it was in the development pipeline. But I definitely remember, like I I 140 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:35.440 link for Summer of eighty nine, it's it's Batman ind three and Ghostbusters two. 141 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:39.279 Those are the those are the links for me, because Lethal Weapon I 142 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:46.879 didn't get into until much later. Sure, you know, so by the 143 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:48.519 time I got to see it, it was you know, I watched it 144 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:52.960 via boot like VHS, but it was exactly that. It was. It 145 00:10:54.080 --> 00:11:01.200 was another chance to see my friends. And this this film is much softer 146 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:05.039 in tone than the first film, you know, which is a little bit 147 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:07.559 more there, like bad Boys. You know, this man has no dick, 148 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:11.000 that kind of thing, you know, right right right, and and 149 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:15.840 a lot of the the the adult humor and Ghostbusters completely missed me until I 150 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:18.759 got much older. So for me, going back to what I was saying 151 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:22.480 before, this feels very much of a piece with the animated show. Mm 152 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:26.840 hmmm. You know. And you know, I had no idea about all 153 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:35.120 the behind the scenes finagling and how you know, the the lengthy development period 154 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:37.720 because of like they didn't want to work together and this, like all the 155 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:41.039 stuff that was going on. Yeah, yeah, you know, it's I 156 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:46.320 hadn't thought about that. I just take this for what it is, just 157 00:11:46.360 --> 00:11:48.000 because I came to it. So. Oh, by the way, that's 158 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:52.840 Ivan Raymond's daughter right there, Oh my gosh, that is yeah, that's 159 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:58.480 Katherine Catherine Catherine right. Yeah. But yeah, this movie does feel a 160 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:05.039 little more color full, a little more yeah, kid friendly, which is 161 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:07.679 funny because I always thought of the first one as sort of like a family 162 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:09.759 film. I mean, maybe because that's the way the video store categorized it. 163 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:13.360 Sure, yeah, no, it has a little bit of a more 164 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:18.000 of an edge to it. You're right, yeah, I think that if 165 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:22.240 you watch them back to back, you're definitely like, well, this one 166 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:28.559 is obviously not as good as the first one, which was my experience watching 167 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:33.639 it the first time I've I talked about it on the podcast because I many 168 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:37.200 many years ago, because I watched one it was on whatever, HBO or 169 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:39.639 something, and then they were playing two directly after, and I'd never seen 170 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:41.080 it, so I was like, let's do this. And I couldn't help 171 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:46.039 but feel like it was a little lesser than than the first one. But 172 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:50.440 now without that pressure, without watching it back to back, I was like, 173 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:52.600 Oh, it's just it's just a fun another adventure with these guys. 174 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:56.919 Yeah, you know, that's exactly this. By the this World is Psychic 175 00:12:56.960 --> 00:13:03.120 scene always cracks me up. His the way he keeps looking at the camera 176 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:09.600 is so funny, is so funny. Yeah. And by the way, 177 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:13.240 it didn't even occur to me until the movie was over that I mean, 178 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:16.320 this guy is almost correct. Yeah, that's right. The world is going 179 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:24.159 to end on New Year's Eve. I mean I almost thought they could have 180 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:26.879 shot a little scene of him watching his TV at home, like I knew 181 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:28.639 it, you know, kind of a thing, really drive it home, 182 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:31.600 as long as you're going to set it up at the beginning, Like this 183 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:35.039 guy actually knew what he was talking about. This is Kevin Dunn. By 184 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:39.320 the way, this actor was a great, great character actor. You know, 185 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:43.240 he's in like just a ton of things. Yeah. I always think 186 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:46.799 of him from Transformers the Dad. Oh yeah, he's the dad. That's 187 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:52.320 right. This okay, So, so the bit with how she's like the 188 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:54.960 man the alien approached me, took me back to his room at the holiday 189 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:58.720 and like it totally went over my head when I was a kid, you 190 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:03.399 know, yes, yes, so funny. And by the way, him 191 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:11.519 looking at the screen going Valentine's Day is so good. No, I know, 192 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:24.879 I know this is a little paramas holiday. Well again, what what 193 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:28.440 makes it work is how both she and Kevin Dune they just play it totally 194 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:33.080 straight. And so it's just the last I mean just from from from Bankman's 195 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:41.360 reactions, I know every time he looks at and I just I kind of 196 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:43.519 like it's funny because I've heard some people be like, oh, I don't 197 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:48.879 like how this movie undoes you know, like the happy ending of Ghostbuster of 198 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:52.000 the first film, and I'm like, this is not like Return of the 199 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:54.039 Jedi or something, you know what i mean, I'm like, it's just 200 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:58.440 these are these working class guys. Yeah, do you mean by breaking him 201 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:03.799 and Sigourney Weaver up that and like they're not working as Ghostbusters anymore or whatever, 202 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:05.519 Like I don't. I never viewed it that way, you know what 203 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:09.399 I mean, because I'm like, it's still it's like a comedy series. 204 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:15.080 You know. It is interesting seeing what a calculated script decision it was to 205 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:20.840 break them up, because I was reading Reitmann or Akroyd or someone saying they 206 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:26.720 didn't want it to be so relationship focused on them. It's hilarious Peter mcman 207 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:31.639 saying, like shining esp say something to the audience. But you know they 208 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:35.720 wanted it to be like, no, these these people are a team, 209 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:39.039 you know what I mean. Like he's not going to be off with his 210 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:41.519 wife having their own business with their child. It would feel like two separate, 211 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:45.960 right, although that is kind of what ends up happening quite a bit, 212 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:50.840 That's right. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So this, this the 213 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:54.759 Kurt Fuller character, very much feels like, well, we need like a 214 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:58.919 Walter Peck type yes, yes, which that I think if there is a 215 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:04.960 valid critique is that this really does feel like cut and paste of like key 216 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:12.000 elements of the first movie, like the antagonist. Yeah, not enough to 217 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:15.919 distinguish it, like I think having certain callbacks I think is fine. But 218 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:22.799 essentially we have a film where they spend you know, the first whatever it 219 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:27.360 is, half an hour not operating as Ghostbusters, and then they become Ghostbusters, 220 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:33.159 and it's sort of it redoes that, you know. Yeah, yeah, 221 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:34.600 I can see that. It's just funny. I felt like I was 222 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:37.080 so much harder on it the first time I watched it, and then I 223 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:40.879 did not feel that way the second time. I just sort of was like, 224 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:42.080 yeah, I'm glad I get to watch this tonight. It's like a 225 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:48.799 nice ninety minutes or fine. I think that's that's why it works for me. 226 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:52.120 That's why I've never had an issue with it. It's because, again, 227 00:16:52.279 --> 00:17:00.639 the camaraderie between the characters is so easy, and it's just without exception. 228 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:06.480 I laugh every time we have the you know when when when they're drilling 229 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:11.440 in the street and they're trying to trying to shine on the cops and stuff. 230 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:14.000 You know, Like, I've seen this movie a million times and it 231 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:18.759 cracks me up every single time. Yeah. Peter McNichol here, by the 232 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:22.039 way, as Janosh, I love that as written, he was just like 233 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:26.079 a normal, normal guy, you know. Yeah, I think his name 234 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:30.599 is Jason. Yeah. And then he's like, well, I'm just gonna 235 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:34.279 I'm gonna just do like this this accent when I read and they were like, 236 00:17:34.359 --> 00:17:37.119 yeah, I go with that, and then there you go, yeah, 237 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:40.319 I love that. Yeah, And he's like one of the best parts 238 00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:45.160 of the movie. He's so funny in this movie. Yeah, I read 239 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:51.200 that. He he stole the accent from Meryl Streep's character in Sophie's Choice, 240 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:56.079 which is a choice. I've never seen Sophie's Choice. I know, it's 241 00:17:56.079 --> 00:18:00.319 a very serious film. That's so funny. I wonder if Merrill would be 242 00:18:02.319 --> 00:18:07.759 flattered by that or insulted. I know. I love by the way the 243 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:12.400 Vigo's head poking out like the sort of CG of nineteen eighty nine of his 244 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:15.319 head poking out of that painting where it sort of looks like the graphics of 245 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:19.519 GoldenEye, you know, those like sort of cube cube like face. You 246 00:18:19.599 --> 00:18:22.799 know, they're just I don't even know that that's CG. To be honest, 247 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:26.039 I think it's that they achieved that practically. It could be it could 248 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:29.680 be like the Freddy Krueger thing in that Mayne Elm Street where you're put like 249 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:32.319 it's like a cloth and you're pushing through. I think that's what it is. 250 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:34.720 Because this was ILM did this, and this was, if not the 251 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:41.000 last one of the last movies they did that had no digital effect. Interesting, 252 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:42.599 see this scene right here, This kind of gets to what I'm talking 253 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:49.160 about. It's it's just them goofing around with each other, and that's fun 254 00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:53.279 to see. Yeah, you know, And and I think you know the 255 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:56.960 idea that even though though the Ghostbusters are broken up, they still hang out 256 00:18:56.960 --> 00:19:00.400 together, right Like Peter just kind of it showed up here just to just 257 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:03.799 to screw around with his friends, you know. And I know there's something 258 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:07.680 about that that appeals to me about this isn't a you know, we have 259 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:11.799 to get their friendship back together kind of thing, you know, right right? 260 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:15.960 They can have had like life has set them or forced them to go 261 00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:21.440 different ways in terms of whatever their jobs are these days, but they still 262 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:36.759 have yeah robbery, Yeah, it's so funny. Does does squeezing one's ears 263 00:19:36.880 --> 00:19:41.559 really elicit confessions? I don't know, I don't know. I know this 264 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:47.200 movie it feels like a very old school like schoolmaster school marm the kind of 265 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:51.319 thing, you know, when they're not I haven't done the assignment or something. 266 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:57.000 So so to your point earlier, Yeah, the initial versions of this 267 00:19:57.079 --> 00:20:03.279 script had Oscar being Peter's son, right, And that was Bill Murray who 268 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:08.680 said, I don't think it should be Peter's son because okay, right, 269 00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:14.960 and I think because Peter, because Bill Murray said that that would detract from 270 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:18.759 Peter's relationship with the team, right, And I'm like, man, that's 271 00:20:19.359 --> 00:20:23.599 kind of that's that's a smart call on his part, you know, Yeah, 272 00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:30.839 agreed. I mean that was kind of interesting. I mean, I 273 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:34.119 feel like they could write a book about the development, production, post production 274 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:40.079 of this movie because it you watch it and it feels a little scrappy, 275 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:42.559 but you go with it. But when you read afterwards all that it went 276 00:20:42.559 --> 00:20:48.200 through the test screenings, all the things that were reshot, you can sort 277 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:51.359 you're like, yeah, no, I guess I did sort of sense that, 278 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:53.279 but I just sort of glossed over it because I was having fun. 279 00:20:53.559 --> 00:20:57.880 Yeah, but it was a very uh tricky production. It sounds like, 280 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:03.480 well, well, among other things, I mean, they they had really 281 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:07.799 no real desire to come back and do another one, and they intended the 282 00:21:07.839 --> 00:21:11.839 first one to just be a one and done, And I was thinking about, 283 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:17.400 how what a naive time that was, right, you know what I 284 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:19.519 mean, It's like, now we're done and and essentially, you know, 285 00:21:19.559 --> 00:21:25.480 the five year gap came down to like the studio one studio had didn't want 286 00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:26.680 to do it, and then the next studio had did want to do like 287 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:32.000 you know this this push and pull, and they had less than a year 288 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:36.559 to turn this thing around. Isn't that amazing? All that time then all 289 00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:40.680 of a sudden to be under the gun like that. It's it's very similar 290 00:21:40.720 --> 00:21:44.519 to and we'll get there eventually, but lead the Weapon four kind of kind 291 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:48.079 of the same story with that movie. You know, I thought it was 292 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:51.279 worth mentioning. But yeah, like the the road to get here was was 293 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:56.079 tricky at first because the chairman of Columbia Pictures, David Putnam, he didn't 294 00:21:56.079 --> 00:22:00.039 want to make big, blockbustering move He's like this. He wanted to make 295 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:04.400 smaller, more serious films, So he was resistant to making another Ghostbusters period. 296 00:22:04.599 --> 00:22:08.440 But then he also did you hear about this how he alienated he did 297 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:11.920 not like Bill Murray? Yeah, yeah, he said, he's an actor 298 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:15.920 who makes millions of dollars from Hollywood without giving back to his art. He's 299 00:22:15.960 --> 00:22:22.000 a taker. Like even if you're thinking that, just keep that to yourself, 300 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:25.160 right, I know, what a weird thing to say. So obviously 301 00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:30.599 Bill Murray has no interest in working with this guy, right, But then 302 00:22:30.880 --> 00:22:33.839 at one point he was out and someone else was put in and they're like, 303 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:37.000 yep, we're doing Ghostbusters too. He was out in very short order, 304 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:41.160 which not surprising when you say I don't want any Blockbusters, I only 305 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:45.119 want you know. I mean, it's it's like, well, you have 306 00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:49.680 to have a wide canvas of stuff. But in addition to that, I 307 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:59.759 mean Bill Murray like took a break after Ghostbusters because between between Ghostbusters and and 308 00:22:59.839 --> 00:23:03.759 They, the only movie he was in was Scrooged. Why is that, 309 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:07.640 by the way, Well he did he did that. Other there was like 310 00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:11.799 the dramatic movie he did after Ghostbusters. I forget what it's called Mad Dog 311 00:23:12.680 --> 00:23:18.039 can Glory or something. Mmmm? Is that right? No? It was 312 00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:21.799 like a mob movie, right, say, I'm gonna have to look this 313 00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:23.960 up. I thought I remember the title. But anyway, I think he 314 00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:29.880 was disappointed that that movie did not do well. I see, so he's 315 00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:32.640 tried to stretch his wings didn't go very well. He's a little wounded, 316 00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:34.599 I think so, and so he just took a break. So there was 317 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:38.720 also the sense of like, oh is Bill Murray still a draw? But 318 00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:44.559 I mean in the meanwhile, Scrooge did okay? Is my my recollection anyway? 319 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:51.039 Sure? Richard Donner going back to the weapon interesting okay. And then 320 00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:55.480 also there was the relationships were a little fraught between the Ghostbusters themselves, the 321 00:23:55.480 --> 00:23:56.680 actors, right, I mean, well, do you know anything about that? 322 00:23:57.759 --> 00:24:03.359 I don't, but I would. I would imagine the Razor's Edge by 323 00:24:03.400 --> 00:24:07.480 the that's the movie Razor's Edge. Yeah, so it's more of like a 324 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:11.200 dramatic thing, and it didn't perform, and I think he was he was 325 00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:15.039 a little upset by that. I mean, look, Bill Murray is famously 326 00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:22.720 mercurial, and even even after Ghostbusters two, he and Harold Ramis, even 327 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:26.920 though they worked together on on on Groundhog Day, they had had some kind 328 00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:30.440 of a falling out. Yeah, that was not a happy production, as 329 00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:37.079 I've read. Yeah, so I would imagine. I mean, I think 330 00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:42.279 the connections that these people have is such that they they love hard, but 331 00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:49.400 they probably you know, carry grudges. Too, you know later. Yeah, 332 00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:53.119 it's hard, I would imagine. I don't know, but by all 333 00:24:53.200 --> 00:24:56.359 accounts it was like it was just a matter of putting them all in a 334 00:24:56.440 --> 00:24:57.319 room together and being like, you guys, figure this out. And by 335 00:24:57.359 --> 00:25:00.160 the end they were like, all right, let's make this movie. Yeah 336 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:06.279 I read that. I think Michael Ovitz the guy who found CAAA, and 337 00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:07.519 he was Bill Murray's agent, and it was basically like we're all getting a 338 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:10.799 lunch and by the end of the lunch like, okay, we'll do it. 339 00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:18.559 Yeah, and they like Bill Murray wanted ten million up front and the 340 00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:21.359 other so these two were like, well we want ten million too, and 341 00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:26.160 it's like, well if that's like, that's the budget right there? Yeah 342 00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:32.240 yeah, yeah right. So instead they all took less upfront in exchange for 343 00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:38.599 a portion of first dollar gross, and according to Ivan rightman it they were 344 00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:41.319 like, oh it was a ten percent. He's like, it wasn't that, 345 00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:44.880 but it was big. It was a lot. Yeah, yeah, 346 00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:49.279 yeah, which I saw got the budget down to about thirty million whares. 347 00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:55.480 Otherwise it might have been closer to fifty and that's still more than the first 348 00:25:55.480 --> 00:25:59.680 one cost. Oh I'm sure, yeah, yeah, by the way, 349 00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:03.680 it doesn't look really good, Like the first movie always has kind of this 350 00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:07.039 like fuzzy, sort of gauzy look to it. Yeah, but this movie 351 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:12.319 looks really crisp. Yeah, I wonder why that is. Actually, I've 352 00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:17.279 always been kind of, uh, fascinated by that. You Like. For 353 00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:19.759 example, I watched Off Your Voodoo. I watched Gung Ho for the first 354 00:26:19.799 --> 00:26:22.400 time last week, and I was like, man, this movie looks like 355 00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:26.319 fifty years old, you know, instead of like thirty or whatever it is. 356 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:33.200 I think I thought it was really close to reaching its potential, but 357 00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:37.440 like there was fun to be had, and I felt like it was heading 358 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:41.480 in a direction and it felt a little sloppier than I expected. That movie. 359 00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:45.839 It's it's like Michael Keaton is carrying it on his back right, like 360 00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:49.480 one hundred percent. Yeah, and uh, I forget his first name, 361 00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:53.839 but wants an Abe his sort of partner in He's great. He's really good. 362 00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:56.880 Yeah, a lot of a lot of components. I really liked to 363 00:26:56.960 --> 00:27:00.240 it. I kind of wish it had come to a ahead of a little 364 00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:03.359 bit more. I watch it and I'm like, is this racist? You 365 00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:07.400 know? I know, it's one of those things like, yeah, I 366 00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:11.599 know, I probably wouldn't show it to anyone today without the caveats or anything, 367 00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:15.119 but I understand what the film is striving toward. Yeah, I agree 368 00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:18.640 with that allough to his credit. I watched the Ciskel and Ebit review afterwards, 369 00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:25.319 and Ebert was like, I think this is racist back in nineteen eighty 370 00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:30.160 six, but I understand. I really was like, I know what this 371 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:33.440 movie is trying to do, and I appreciate the message it is striving for. 372 00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:40.559 Wait, so the voice, I had no idea it was Max fun 373 00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:45.279 Max Maxwan said out. No. I leaned over to Federica last night and 374 00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:48.359 was like, I know that voice. Who is that? And I had 375 00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:52.000 to look it up, But yeah, no idea that the voice was dubbed. 376 00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:57.920 Yeah. Apparently the actor who plays Vigo, Wilhelm von Homburg, did 377 00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:03.759 not know that his voice had been dubbed until he watched the movie and he 378 00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:11.160 walked out, well, that's a bummer. He's also, by the way, 379 00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:15.920 he's in he's in Diehart. He's one of Hans Gruber's goons. Yeah, 380 00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:22.240 yeah, yeah, that's right. The previous year. That's right. 381 00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:29.480 So yeah, so this whole bit see with Ray being lowered down into into 382 00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:33.079 the river of slime and everything. I first of all, I like how 383 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:38.720 this movie feels like a progression of the mythology that the first film established, 384 00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:45.160 and how finding a river of slime underneath New York feels entirely of a piece 385 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:49.440 with what the first film established of the building. And also, and also 386 00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:53.599 again I'll say, you know, the comic the cartoon show really helped in 387 00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:57.359 that regard, because that show really did build out the mythology. Hmm, 388 00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:03.200 interesting that that show, the animated show. Right, the story editor was 389 00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:08.839 J. Michael Strazinski, who created Babylon five, and so the stories did 390 00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:12.960 have a little bit more sophistication than one would expect from from Saturday Morning Animation. 391 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:18.160 I was gonna say, I remember the look of it, the aesthetic, 392 00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:22.000 the action figures, but I can't say I really remember the stories very 393 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:26.240 well. But yeah, that's cool, that's cool. This cracks me up 394 00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:30.119 so much. At the way Bankment, he's just like the consummate bullshit artist, 395 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:34.319 right, Yeah, the phone lines are over there and he doesn't skip 396 00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:42.279 a beat. And then again it's like, oh we talked to content and 397 00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:49.599 the phone company. I got a major guess sleeker like he just doesn't he 398 00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:56.319 just shifts right away, you know. Yeah, I mean that's a lot's 399 00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:03.079 kind of I got no. I mean just it's the camaraderie and and and 400 00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:08.720 the yeah uh, it's this perfect mix of humor and thrills that I think 401 00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:11.920 makes these movies work one hundred percent. I was just gonna say, everything 402 00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:18.119 about this scene is kind of what I love about this the potential of Ghostbusters 403 00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:21.599 is what I want from it, which is three guys having to stall cops, 404 00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:25.119 you know, from digging a hole, you know, over like a 405 00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.559 like a abandoned train tunnel and a guide taking samples of you know, plasma 406 00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:33.960 goo like you know, that's just the fun of this. That's that's the 407 00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:40.039 funn you get to have with Ghostbusters. Yeah. And I think, you 408 00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:44.000 know, if there was one change I would have made is I think it's 409 00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:49.000 a shame that Winston is not involved in these early goings, you know, 410 00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:53.079 other than the scene in the beginning with Ray at the birthday party, he's 411 00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:56.640 not in the mix. And right, yeah, I one, one hundred 412 00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:00.480 percent agree. I mean, his his involvement in the first one and obviously 413 00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:03.200 is kind of minimal because he's supposed to be the man on the street who 414 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:08.240 joins into the wackiness I suppose, But in this one, I am confused 415 00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:12.359 why he sort of just pops in and out of the misadventures. Yeah, 416 00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:15.799 like, think about it. We see at the start of the film, 417 00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:21.680 we see that Egon is working at the university, Ray is at the bookstore, 418 00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:25.240 and Peter is doing the TV show. Where's Winston? What's he doing? 419 00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:30.119 Yeah, like the film didn't even deem his current status worth telling us. 420 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:34.880 Yeah, and why isn't he here helping them? Well, so then 421 00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:38.599 he's missing from the courtroom scene because the courtroom scene is exactly he shows up 422 00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:41.440 at the very beginning. He shows up at the very beginning to be like, 423 00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:45.519 hey, man, I hope you guys are okay. Well, when 424 00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:48.119 is he not sitting and watching the trial? Like wouldn't he help them? 425 00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:53.119 You know? Right? It's just he never feels like it never feels like 426 00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:57.000 a four person team. It always feels like three person team and Winston and 427 00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:01.160 I don't know why. Yeah, Like I think we get there by the 428 00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:05.160 end and at least at least by the middle, you know, when the 429 00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:07.599 Ghostbusters are a team again. But he, I see, no reason why 430 00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:12.400 he shouldn't be part of all this stuff in the beginning. Agreed. Yeah, 431 00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.960 Harris Yuleen is so funny as Jodge Wexler. Yeah, he's great. 432 00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:20.599 It was bothering me last night. His face was so familiar. Oh he's 433 00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:24.359 another hey that guy. Yeah, he's kind of about ten episodes of twenty 434 00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:28.680 four. I figured that was probabably twenty four he was. He's in he's 435 00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:34.279 in clear and present danger. He's a terrific actor. He's actually he's in 436 00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:37.839 an episode of Deep Space nine called Duet where it's like some of the best 437 00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:45.480 acting he's ever done, just terrific. But he's hilarious in this. Rick 438 00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:50.559 moranis Rick moranis It doesn't it feel like like whenever we get to see him 439 00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:53.440 in in a movie, in an old it's like it's like water in a 440 00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:57.400 desert. You're like, oh, it's so precious, let's cherish this, 441 00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:00.319 you know, I know, And he's so good, he's so goodness, 442 00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:05.039 he's so fun see this this. It definitely feels like they were like, 443 00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:09.799 we need to figure out a way to bring Lewis in these people, and 444 00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:15.519 I think they found the perfect way to incorporate him agreed. Agreed because it 445 00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:19.039 sounds like a lot of his scenes were cut from this movie because he was 446 00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:22.920 supposed to basically be hunting Slimmer, Yeah, for a lot of the movie, 447 00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:27.839 and because they thought that's what the kids would want, right based on 448 00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:31.160 the popularity of the cartoon show, and then after testing it they realized it 449 00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:35.480 felt like a distraction to I guess Evan Wrightman was like, I was surprised, 450 00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:38.519 so we cut it. Yeah, Yeah, it's great Lewis short but 451 00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:45.400 pointless. Yeah. I love the look on the judge's face when Lewis finishes 452 00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:54.079 his opening, He's like, what was that? See this? I have 453 00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:57.440 to say I love this whole courtroom scene. I think it's I think it's 454 00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:04.000 very well done. I think just in terms of establishing, oh the slime 455 00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:08.280 response to emotion, but also just sort of giving them all business. I 456 00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:14.119 think the bit where Vankman is being you know, a question on the stand 457 00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:17.360 is just priceless. It's so funny. Yeah, you know, I have 458 00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:21.840 to admit this was one of the scenes I just didn't get when I watched 459 00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:25.519 it the first time, because I thought, how does everyone not remember what 460 00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:30.679 these guys did? They saved New York like The Ghostbusters. One ends with 461 00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:34.960 New York cheering in the streets for the Ghostbusters. Right, but yeah, 462 00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:38.679 you know, I guess now these days I can imagine some people just well 463 00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:40.880 I wasn't there. I didn't see it with my own eyes. So there 464 00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:44.840 are many people who are skeptical of what they did. And this trial is 465 00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:49.760 also related to the fact that they are not allowed to work right as paranormal 466 00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:52.320 or as investigators. And they were out there drilling a hole in the street 467 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:57.599 without any permission. So that's right, that was something I wasn't thinking about 468 00:34:57.599 --> 00:34:59.880 the first time. I just I couldn't get over the fact that people did 469 00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:05.480 know what they did five years ago. Well, I guess in the world 470 00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:07.679 of Ghostbusters, they do have the theme music, but they don't have the 471 00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:14.239 animated show to remind people what they're doing. So that's what they do have 472 00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:15.719 the song. Though, You're right, they must think that those people are 473 00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:20.920 conspiracy quacks, the people who are all into the They even wrote him a 474 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:31.320 damn song. Yeah, but his whole business where he's feeding what he wants 475 00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:40.960 Lewis to say, it is a nicolated is what what you know? You 476 00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:46.400 realize how how much like how essential Bill Murray was to making a sequel like 477 00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:51.079 the That was the issue that held up making another one for so long, 478 00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:53.199 because it's because he was adamant about not wanting to do one, and there 479 00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:55.800 was the general consensus that, well, if there's no Venkman, there's no 480 00:35:55.880 --> 00:36:01.079 movie. Yeah, yeah, sure, And you see that definitely in in 481 00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:04.840 this what we're seeing, right, it's like you got to have him. 482 00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:07.760 He's the center that it sort of all revolves around, you know, m 483 00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:14.079 I remember that was in all the TV spots who Are you Gonna Call? 484 00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:22.480 You know, I really do love It's not a flashy looking movie, but 485 00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:25.719 it's just beautiful widescreen composition, isn't it. Yeah, the way that they 486 00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:29.199 frame all, you know, I mean having a team of four of course 487 00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:30.000 you want right there, you know what I mean? Like, it's just 488 00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:36.320 I really love the composition in this movie. See what was the aspect ratio 489 00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:39.239 different in the first one. That's like I want to pull that up and 490 00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:45.119 compare. I'm almost certain it's two thirty five at least, if not two 491 00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:46.840 thirty nine or something, If that makes sense. So here you go. 492 00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:51.599 But no, what you were saying is definitely true that that this one the 493 00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:54.239 and I'm watching a four K copy right now, but I mean it looks 494 00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:59.960 substantially better than the four K of the first film. And I just want 495 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:04.719 wonder why that is, like film stocked or something. Choices, lighting choices, 496 00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:07.400 you know. I marvel when I look at Back to the Future. 497 00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:10.599 I mean that movie looks like it was shot yesterday, the way they preserved 498 00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:14.960 that film, you know, but without going overboard and making everything look waxy. 499 00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:20.760 Yep. So again I mentioned, you know, all the all the 500 00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:23.880 special effects to or by ILM. So they had a busy summer because they 501 00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:30.719 did the effects for this and Back to the Future and yeah part two in 502 00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:35.719 India in Indiana Jones Back to the Future too and Indiana Jones. So yep, 503 00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:39.719 kept kept busy. Yeah, crazy the ABYSS. I was reading about 504 00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:44.719 everything they were working on, and it got to the point where this movie 505 00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:47.360 kept changing, and so they kept coming to ILM like we need this, 506 00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:50.599 we need this, And at some point they're like, we're done, Like 507 00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:52.800 we can't do anything additional. Whatever you've assigned us, we will do. 508 00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:57.679 And they even had to farm out work. But they're like no more, 509 00:37:57.719 --> 00:38:00.440 like we can't, we can't do anything new you have to stop give us 510 00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:02.639 new stuff so crazy. Yeah, this right here, by this is so 511 00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:10.119 funny, and you don't want us exposing ourselves. Yeah, you know, 512 00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:15.840 ILM did the effects for most of the Star Trek movies, so, two, 513 00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:19.440 three, and four, and then when it came time for Part five, 514 00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:22.039 which was the same summer, they were like, dude, you can 515 00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:25.280 get our c team or whatever. You know, you're right right, and 516 00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:30.960 so they ended up not doing the effects for that movie, which is why 517 00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:37.199 it's it has pretty lousy special effects. Although you know what's funny is nineteen 518 00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:44.960 eighty nine was up until then the most sequels ever released in a year, 519 00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:47.320 which just feels quaint by comparison. Okay, yeah, it feels cute, 520 00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:52.960 but I see it. It's true. Yep. Oh wait, hold on, 521 00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:55.679 we got we got to acknowledge one of the best jokes of all time. 522 00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:12.679 Oh hey, he gone. I love to look. That's great. 523 00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:17.960 I love this practical stuff though here right, like the chairs popping up, 524 00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:24.079 Well, this whole sequence is done very well. Just all the ways in 525 00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:30.920 which it's executed, I mean, the incorporation of the ghost projections and just 526 00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:34.039 how they I mean, those are puppets with people in there, and I 527 00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:37.599 mean it looks like c G I you know, it looks great. Yeah. 528 00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.599 I love the puppet look of the ghost too. It's kind of fun. 529 00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:45.320 It's like scary cartoon or something. Yep, exactly. But again, 530 00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:49.000 what we were saying earlier, how is Winston not here in the court. 531 00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:52.199 It doesn't make any sense to me because we know he was there. He 532 00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:55.519 was there at the top of the scene. I know, well, like 533 00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:58.880 why not, Yeah, where'd he go? Where'd you go? Right? 534 00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:02.960 So so that that irks me. I will say, agreed, I have 535 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:08.960 to call out this, this Winston erasure. Sorry, thank you. See 536 00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:17.079 finished my thought. Well, I was gonna say, uh, the Scalari 537 00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:22.199 brothers, the ghosts that they're busting here, they're based on real criminals. 538 00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:28.440 Yeah, did you know that they're based The Scalaries were robbers in the Chicago 539 00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:32.280 area who once robbed Harold Remis's father. Get out of here. Yeah. 540 00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:37.199 They were captured as fugitives in Kansas City, extradited back to Chicago to stand 541 00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:40.719 trial for multiple charges. Eventually, they were convicted of multiple robberies and murder, 542 00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:45.519 and they were executed in the electric chair. Get out of here? 543 00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:49.960 Wow? Yeah, that makes it feel even weirder that they made him look 544 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:59.840 like the Blues Brothers. Yeah, I know ahead what I was gonna say, 545 00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:04.559 did you see you know how now movie theaters are doing these elaborate popcorn 546 00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:07.559 buckets. Obviously we have the Dune one. Oh yeah, they have like 547 00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:09.280 a trap one. Yeah, they have a ghost and I was like, 548 00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:14.360 that looks cooler than any like toy ghost trap I've seen in a store. 549 00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:19.599 I had the same thought, Right, it's a savvy way for the theaters 550 00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:22.239 to generate more income. Hey, why not. They gotta make whatever money 551 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:27.840 they can. Yeah. So yeah, Anie Pots, I mean she looks 552 00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:30.519 nothing like she does in the first movie. Yeah, she just looks like 553 00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:32.880 a woman from nineteen eighty four in the first one. But in this she 554 00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:37.119 has that sort of I don't know what you call, like sexy redhead bob 555 00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:43.039 thing the glasses and it's it's looks like Janine from the cartoon, that's right. 556 00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:45.119 Yeah. So uh oh. And by the way, here's the the 557 00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:50.559 remix of the Ghosts just theme by Run dmc and Ray Parker Junior, right, 558 00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:52.639 which, like, to me, that's kind of the interesting thing is 559 00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:57.840 like I sort of situate this as you know, like you watch it and 560 00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:00.039 you watched the first Ghostbust, She's like, this is a nineteen eighty four 561 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:05.920 movie, and you watch this, You're like, this is a nineteen eighty 562 00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:10.320 nine slash ninety movie. Like the music just locks it in one. Yeah, 563 00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:15.440 you know. I really like this this montage though, of all all 564 00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:17.679 of their stuff, because I'm kind of like, hey, it's like now 565 00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:21.199 they're back, you know whatever. Okay, so they weren't doing it for 566 00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:24.840 five years. They're just they just went right back into it without skipping a 567 00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:28.960 beat, you know. You know, if just again for the thing that 568 00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:31.079 tripped me up on the first viewing, I think I might have had some 569 00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:35.000 people on the news be like I told you they were real, you know, 570 00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:36.760 or something like that. Ye, It's like, no, I agree, 571 00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:38.079 there are the people that were skeptical. That's how you could get a 572 00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:42.639 judge who doesn't believe them. But you know, I I saw what I 573 00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:45.360 saw and we need them now more than ever or something. You know. 574 00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:51.320 So this bit right here real quick where where the echo is driving radically and 575 00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:54.280 Bankmin kinds like, what's going on? This is? That's from supposed to 576 00:42:54.280 --> 00:43:00.639 be from later in the movie where Ray has been possessed by Vigo. Yeah, 577 00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:04.519 and they just cut out most of that plot, but they just put 578 00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:07.760 that in. They dropped that into this montage. I thought that was interesting. 579 00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:08.800 I mean, that's like in the first one also, right, the 580 00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:13.320 montage is filled with sequences that were full scenes, like the jogger, the 581 00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:17.719 ghost jogger at Central Park. That was a full scene. But they just 582 00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.199 and I think it works for the most part the way it is. No, 583 00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:25.840 I agree. Yeah, this is the Ecto one A by the way, 584 00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:29.760 which I love. It's like another toy to sell, you know, 585 00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:36.039 Oh, that's funny. What are the differences? I guess the major difference 586 00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:40.519 is this one has like the electric electronic letter thing on top. That's the 587 00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:44.400 only thing. Yeah, it's got different stickers on it, you know, 588 00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:55.639 decos whatever, different stickers. This scene is very funny to me. Yeah, 589 00:43:57.159 --> 00:44:00.360 I just love I don't know what I would use to describe this, 590 00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:06.079 but I just think there's something so fun and playful. I guess about the 591 00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:10.880 concept of you know, the supernatural whatever it is antagonism in this movie, 592 00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:15.239 like having this goo that basically reacts when you get angry, right, and 593 00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:19.480 putting it underneath New York City and the city has been you know, is 594 00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:23.159 angrier than ever. And I just something about that just feels so fun and 595 00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:28.199 delightful, you know. Yeah. Well, and I think that gets to 596 00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:30.880 you know, the story by by Ramis and Akroyd, which is kind of 597 00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:36.199 to get to that idea of like the you know, the way Harold Ramis 598 00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:37.800 said, like the essentially the movie is like, look, you got to 599 00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:40.719 be good to each other for forty eight hours, you know, and ask 600 00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:45.840 people in New York to be nice. Yeah. Yeah, it's fun, 601 00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:49.920 not a bad hook. You know. Well, when I saw the Frozen 602 00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:53.480 you know, Ghostbusters Frozen Empire trailer, and the whole concept, as far 603 00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:57.519 as I can tell, is you know, people being frozen by fear, 604 00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:00.039 I was like, even that feels on brand, you know, like that 605 00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:02.760 sort of concept feels related to something like this, And I like that. 606 00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:20.440 Yeah, so what's implied here? Zachy sleeping with the slime. It's funny. 607 00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:22.320 Actually, Frederica slowly turned her head at me and was like, what, 608 00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:34.880 it's hilarious. So about a month ago, I was at Target and 609 00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:37.840 and as is my wont I went over to the toy section. I was 610 00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:42.599 kind of seeing what new stuff they and they had these like retro real Ghostbusters 611 00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:46.119 figures from the old cartoon show that they've re released, so it's cool, 612 00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:50.039 like like complete replicas, beautiful, you know. And I was like, 613 00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:51.519 oh, man, you know, and I'm holding him, I'm like, 614 00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:54.679 man, should I? Should I get these? And then on the pa 615 00:45:54.840 --> 00:46:00.199 my hand to God, this song starts playing at that exact moment. Yeah, 616 00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:04.679 so I was like, well, clearly I meant to get this. 617 00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:14.039 Clearly God wants me to have these action figures. It was literally like should 618 00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:19.920 I? And then right then the song starts playing. I love that is 619 00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:22.920 even now Ever, here's Winston. Yeah, I know. That's what I'm 620 00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:25.400 saying, right, It's like he waited for them to get their shit together. 621 00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:31.840 Basically. Yeah. It makes me wonder there was a lot of editorial 622 00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:36.920 fanangling with this movie and reshootings and deleted scenes, and I do wonder if 623 00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:42.239 some sort of explanation might have accidentally been cut out. I mean, real 624 00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:45.440 quick, this is so funny. This It's like, oh, what is 625 00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:47.599 like my favorite show? What was your other favorite? Past Masters? And 626 00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:52.360 then the way he just backs away from him slowly, Yeah, yeah, 627 00:46:52.400 --> 00:47:04.480 I know, bast Masters, bast Masters. It's fishing show. Yeah, 628 00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:08.159 I know, I definitely feel like Winston unfairly got the chop, you know, 629 00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:14.320 Yeah, what I was gonna say, because again, you feel a 630 00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:20.760 little bit of the gaps in certain sort of ways that things play out, 631 00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:22.840 Like at the end with Lewis where he's like, I'm finally a Ghostbuster, 632 00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:27.440 Like that feels like we were missing a little bit of the lead up to 633 00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:30.719 that, which is those deleted scenes of him trying to prove he can be 634 00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:35.840 a Ghostbuster by capture slimer, but all that was cut out. That's a 635 00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:37.480 great point, yeah, because certainly for me, I mean I've watched this 636 00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:39.800 movie for thirty five years and I just roll with it, like okay, 637 00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:44.480 you know, but there isn't a real sense that that's what he wants. 638 00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:49.960 Mm hmm, you know, yeah. It almost feels just like an excuse 639 00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:52.440 for another action figure at the end, I'm a Ghostbuster too. You know. 640 00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:58.760 It was funny because after this movie came out, you know, the 641 00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:01.960 animated show last for another year or two after this movie, so it wasn't 642 00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:07.440 like this signal that the total end of the franchise initially, but they they 643 00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:12.880 changed, they updated Janine's design to look even more like she does in this 644 00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:15.440 movie. And then they added Lewis Tully to the cast of the of the 645 00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:21.880 animated show. Oh funny, after this movie, after this movie. Yeah 646 00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:29.320 hm, Now this painting wasn't actually a painting, right, It was a 647 00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:31.480 picture that was then doctored, I think, to look like a painting. 648 00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:35.920 That's what I read. Yeah, I've seen. I've seen it on Reddit. 649 00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:38.239 It comes up every now and then the photo shoot for this and it's 650 00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:45.199 it's kind of fascinating. I think. I think if there is a problem 651 00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:52.679 for me with the construction of the Nemesis is that Vigo is no gozer. 652 00:48:53.039 --> 00:49:00.800 I think I think that's kind of right. It's harder to fully grasp what 653 00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:06.920 what his deal is and how he's connected to the river of Slime. Mm 654 00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:09.239 hm, So you know what I mean, Like the whole thing about oh 655 00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:15.559 the slime and it's amplifying bad moods whatever, But like, how tell us 656 00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:19.480 how, how what does Vigo have to do with that articulate that. You 657 00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:23.159 know, It's funny you say that because there's a whole article I read about 658 00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:29.039 the test screening of this movie, and Rightman talks about that. I guess 659 00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:35.039 test audiences weren't sure how Vigo, the slime, all the ghosts were connected. 660 00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:38.760 So they this what we're watching now is their attempt to connect them more 661 00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:43.039 than they were with the first pass of the film, which is fascinating to 662 00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:45.519 me. I mean, you tell me, do you are you able to? 663 00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:46.639 I mean we we kind of go with that. You roll with it. 664 00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:51.039 You're like, okay, so something something, He's doing something right, 665 00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:55.679 Yeah, I mean, it would make sense to me that all the negativity 666 00:49:55.719 --> 00:50:01.679 in New York has created this goo, right, and then maybe the gou 667 00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:07.920 is then unleashing forces that were dormant or something like the meaning like, maybe 668 00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:12.199 there's some sort of evil that's been imprinted on that picture. But because of 669 00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:16.719 this goo supernatural gou like it's been awoken. I mean, I don't know. 670 00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:22.360 Maybe that's what happens. I'm not sure. Like the picture is from 671 00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:37.000 Carpathia, so it ended up in New York. The river the pneumatic system 672 00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:38.760 goes back, however many years, So how is that connected to the paint 673 00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:44.920 thing? You know, I'm sure it's all articulated in the movie, but 674 00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:50.079 I'm struggling to put those connections together, you know, yeah, yeah, 675 00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:59.480 Sam, But it's interesting. I know real quick. I just I wanted 676 00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:02.880 to say, like the I think bringing Dana back. I actually like that 677 00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:08.920 they didn't just leave that plot thread, you know, like, oh, 678 00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:12.679 he dated Dana five years ago and now she's not part of it. I'm 679 00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:15.679 glad she's in this one. Yeah, it seems like the go to in 680 00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:22.519 this era was well, she couldn't handle it or she left me right exactly, 681 00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:25.599 Yeah, like Vicky Vale and yeah, you know what I mean, 682 00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:32.280 Indiana Jones. Yep. I was gonna say, it's interesting you talk about 683 00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:37.960 the tube underground with the train and the goo and everything, And I guess 684 00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:40.760 in the first draft of the script there was always the thought of a tube, 685 00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:46.280 which was the original first idea that Dan Aykroyd had was he wanted Dana 686 00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:52.360 kidnapped and taken to Scotland. Yeah, he discovers a faery ring and an 687 00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:58.039 underground civilization and the Ghostbusters would have to travel through an underground pneumatic tube that 688 00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:01.719 was over two thousand miles long. And don't you just love how batshit crazy 689 00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:06.360 dan Akhroyd's ideas are, like, I honestly, yes I do. I 690 00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:10.800 love it right because I mean, famously, the first Ghostbusters goes for it. 691 00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:15.199 Yeah, it wasn't going to be in New York in modern times and 692 00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:19.199 going into libraries and fighting ghosts librarians. Right, it was like a crazy 693 00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:22.800 future Blade Runner world, you know, where there were many many ghostbus It 694 00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:25.880 was like way way out there. And I love that. I love that 695 00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:29.599 about him, Like he can throw everything at the wall and then you bring 696 00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:34.480 in Harold Remis or someone to like turn it into something a little bit more 697 00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:37.320 accessible, And I think that's a good pairing. Right, I agree, 698 00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:42.360 get the wild ideas and whittle them down. And even he admitted that the 699 00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:45.280 whole fairy Ring and underground civilization, he said, was too far out, 700 00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:52.760 too inaccessible, Yeah, which I would agree with that. Yeah, I'm 701 00:52:52.840 --> 00:53:00.159 Joe Namath. It makes me think of a vapor lock. You have to 702 00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:02.440 explain that people are gonna be like, what are you saying? Yeah? 703 00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:07.519 So so on screen, Uh, Peter is giving the baby a Joe Namath 704 00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:09.920 jersey, a real Joe Namath jersey to use, like to swaddle the baby. 705 00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:15.840 And Joe Namath guested on the Simpsons and basically had his car break down 706 00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:19.880 and he was gonna give advice. Who is it to I can't remember. 707 00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:22.039 It was it to Bart to Bart, Yeah, he's gonna give advice to 708 00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:25.719 Bart. But then his car that's broken down gets fixed, and it was 709 00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:31.159 just vapor lock. It's it's the It's the football episode where Homer wants Bart 710 00:53:31.159 --> 00:53:35.079 to be the quarterback. That's right. He's like, just remember this one 711 00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:37.159 thing. But then yeah, the car gets fixed. It's vapor lock. 712 00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:40.840 Leaves does get to say, and the only thing Bart can remember is just 713 00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:49.920 remember this one thing, vapor lock. I realized that still probably didn't make 714 00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:55.039 any sense, but yeah, no, I got you. But no, 715 00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:59.480 even Bill Murray said that when they all signed on to make this movie, 716 00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:05.280 it was with a different script. So it really does sound like this thing 717 00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:15.719 was, you know, in constant flux. But I should say I I 718 00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:19.639 said this to all my kids at some point or another when they were little. 719 00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:22.599 Your short billy button sticks out too far and you're a terrible burden on 720 00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:29.800 your poor mother. That's hilarious. I was just watching this with thumbsay yesterday. 721 00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:30.559 I was like, yep, I said that to you when you're just 722 00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:38.800 a little teeny tiny. So this here like they they've grown up with them. 723 00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:43.239 That's as you know, I mean I mean hums as you know, 724 00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:46.760 seventeen now. And I remember when he was like two or three and he 725 00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:51.159 started crying at the end of this one is one part where it gets scary 726 00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:55.800 with the baby and I happened to get up and because I got a phone 727 00:54:55.800 --> 00:55:04.639 call and he just started crying and run out of the room. I'll point 728 00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:08.000 out the moment that happened. Yeah, but I love the info dump about 729 00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:12.519 Vigo, Like it's if you're not paying attention, you're almost not gonna get 730 00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:15.559 it. You know, all the stuff about Vigo, how he was shot 731 00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:22.079 and stabbed and quartered and whatever. And if I had a nickel for every 732 00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:23.880 time I've said death is but a doorway, time is but a window, 733 00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:30.880 I'll be back boy. Usually, usually on the last day of class, 734 00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:40.599 I tell my students that that's hilarious, this whole thing where Venkman is taking 735 00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:45.599 pictures of Vigo and he's acting like a like a fashion photographer, so funny. 736 00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:49.159 Yeah, yeah, I was thinking that's pre Austin Powers. I mean, 737 00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:52.159 I think of Austin Powers when I think of that joke. Yeah, 738 00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:57.199 yeah, that's right. You're a tiger. You're a tiger. No, 739 00:55:57.280 --> 00:56:00.119 yes, yes, you know kind of a thing. Ye know. The 740 00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:04.119 girls like you, guys, but they both like you, the animals like 741 00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:07.880 and I love By the end, I mean, he's only like a foot 742 00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:15.119 and a half away from the picture, just snapping yes. Yes, So 743 00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:21.199 we see it here where Ray is kind of like getting possessed by Vigo, 744 00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:24.320 and I guess that was meant to be much more of a plot point throughout 745 00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:28.599 the movie, and for whatever reason, they just other than this, and 746 00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:31.840 then at the end, which kind of comes out of nowhere, they just 747 00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:38.280 chopped it out. Yeah, which I can see being a valid happening, 748 00:56:38.440 --> 00:56:42.559 you know, a mystery throughout the film. But at the same time, 749 00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:45.360 I can't say you miss it. You know, the movie does flow at 750 00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:51.920 a nice pace, and maybe you can understand why they lost it. Yeah, 751 00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:55.599 I mean I think the question is like, is it something specific about 752 00:56:55.679 --> 00:56:59.960 Ray or is it anybody who happens to look at the look into the picture 753 00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:06.679 eyes, you know, m yeah, but yeah, a lot a lot 754 00:57:06.679 --> 00:57:08.480 of ideas thrown at the wall, and it feels like they just sort of 755 00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:13.960 shot them all and added some more later after test screenings, and just but 756 00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:16.159 I feel like so yes, like I was saying, after learning all of 757 00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:20.159 that, looking back on the film, I can see how scrappy it kind 758 00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:22.960 of is. When you're watching it, it's just it's an enjoyable hour and 759 00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:28.280 a half. That's That's kind of the thing is is like we were saying, 760 00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:32.239 I mean, I mean, that summer you had, you had, 761 00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:39.239 you had Ghostbusters two, you had Star Trek five, Indiana Jones three, 762 00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:44.280 Leath the Weapon two, right, and then and then of course Back to 763 00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:46.639 the Future two is later that year. So that's like five sequels, right, 764 00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:52.039 which which again think about how like back then it's like, oh my 765 00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:55.679 god, five sequels in a year. Nowadays it's like five sequels in a 766 00:57:55.719 --> 00:58:01.800 month. I know, I know well, and I sent you this meme 767 00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:07.360 where it was basically, h Doctor Manhattan, Right, we're experiencing them all 768 00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:09.679 at once, and he's like, it's nineteen eighty four, I'm going to 769 00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:14.039 the theater to see Dune and Ghostbusters. It's twenty twenty one. I'm going 770 00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:15.920 to see Dune and Ghostbusters. It's twenty twenty four. I'm going to see 771 00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:22.679 Dune and Ghostbusters. Time is a flat circle. Yeah, yeah, I 772 00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:29.840 mean, it's not surprising to us anymore. You know, I couldn't help 773 00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:32.079 but think when I was watching this last night, having her wet and a 774 00:58:32.199 --> 00:58:38.320 towel is a choice. That's interesting, right, I was sort of like, 775 00:58:38.480 --> 00:58:42.440 huh, I wonder why, Like, I mean, it just just 776 00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:46.800 to add a little bit of sex appeal to this movie. That's a good 777 00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:51.519 question. I don't know. It just sort of stood out to me a 778 00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:55.079 little bit. And I'm not saying anything nefarious. I just stood out to 779 00:58:55.079 --> 00:58:57.760 me, and I was like, it's a choice, and like maybe they're 780 00:58:57.760 --> 00:59:00.400 like, we gotta get some shoulder, some shoulder in this movie. I 781 00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:06.360 don't know. I mean, it's it's something that at this stage of her 782 00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:09.320 career, Sigourney Weaver didn't didn't have to do it if she didn't want to. 783 00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:15.199 So maybe she she she saw something appealing about about having Dana be a 784 00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:17.599 little bit more vulnerable. I think I think Dana is kind of a different 785 00:59:17.679 --> 00:59:22.800 character for Sigourney Weaver. There's also that you know, she's she so otherwise 786 00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:30.480 plays these kind of tough as nails characters totally, you know. Yeah, 787 00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:34.920 that's a good point. Yeah, you're right, Like, I think I 788 00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:37.360 think the pairing of Dana and Peter is a good one, right, because 789 00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:40.320 she kind of she gives as good as she gets, right, she doesn't. 790 00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:46.280 She doesn't put up with this crap. Mm hmm, you know what 791 00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:52.159 I mean, like like it? She it's he's kind of has this front, 792 00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:59.679 but that's she. She's attracted to the the vulnerable guy underneath. Mm 793 00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:06.239 hmm. That makes for interesting chemistry, you know. Yeah, I agree. 794 01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:13.440 So, yeah, this another pairing. I was about to say, 795 01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:17.039 speaking of pairings, this one kind of felt out of the blue because the 796 01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:22.960 first movie implies that she has kind of a crush on Egon and that was 797 01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:28.039 definitely something that the cartoon ran with. So but it's sweet. I like 798 01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:30.480 it. I think it's very sweet. Yeah, yeah, no, I 799 01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:36.159 like it. Lewis is such a dork like you, so bad for him. 800 01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:44.559 It's a big summer for Rick Moranis. He also had Honey I Shrunk 801 01:00:44.599 --> 01:00:50.559 the Kids. Yeah that's right. Yeah, that was in ten Box Office 802 01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:53.880 Grocers of nineteen eighty nine, number eight. I need to revisit that one. 803 01:00:55.199 --> 01:01:00.440 Yeah, me too, I mean immediately, I he made me think 804 01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:01.519 of it last night, and thinking of nineteen eighty nine, I was like, 805 01:01:01.519 --> 01:01:07.119 I'm gonna hoose it again. Yeah. By the way, this was 806 01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:12.679 something that was added after a test screening because this scene. Yeah, they 807 01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:16.719 thought that I guess the movie was focusing too much on the relationship between Bill 808 01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:22.480 Murray and Sigourney Weaver, and so they needed some more flashy scenes, increasing 809 01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:27.960 the urgency, and so this was one of them. Well, okay, 810 01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:30.320 so number one, you establish like you have the picture of the river of 811 01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:34.599 slime in the in the in the or the river of slime is in the 812 01:01:34.639 --> 01:01:37.920 picture, and that kind of establishes the connection. But beyond that, just 813 01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:42.480 the sort of the every day like drudgery of like what do you want to 814 01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:44.920 eat? How about this? How about you know? That's what I really 815 01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:50.639 like is there's sort of a matter of factness about the Ghostbusters job. Yeah, 816 01:01:50.840 --> 01:01:53.519 yeah, sure, sure, you know. That's a good point. 817 01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:57.679 I mean they could just be yes, it's just a blue collar job that 818 01:01:57.760 --> 01:02:01.960 happens back to have a supernatural to it. Well, at least Winston gets 819 01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:07.320 this hero moment like that. Yeah. Yeah, like a bad point. 820 01:02:10.639 --> 01:02:15.840 Why wasn't he in there in the first place? He is out of the 821 01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:20.960 room just for Winston. Yeah. There were some more things that were shot 822 01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:25.920 to spice up the film. I'll point them out later, see, but 823 01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:29.360 yeah, here you have them going off on their romantic business. You can 824 01:02:29.440 --> 01:02:31.639 kind of you can see that, you know where it's like if you didn't 825 01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:35.239 have that, well, all right, I'll just say it now. Basically, 826 01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:39.639 the underground ghost train sequence with Winston and the severed heads, yes, 827 01:02:39.920 --> 01:02:44.559 was all added. And that's another sequence I really like. So I'm glad 828 01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:46.280 they added that me too. I love the ghost train thing. That is 829 01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:50.719 so cool. Yeah, but yeah, I mean you can imagine without that, 830 01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:52.679 without the flaming pictures we just saw, and then you just cut straight 831 01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:55.800 to you know, Peter and Dana going out to dinner. It's like, 832 01:02:55.920 --> 01:02:59.280 okay, like, you know, you want to see a little bit more 833 01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:05.079 super natural rasmataz little little uh. You want some bust in to make you 834 01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:13.159 feel good? Exactly, I get it. That's all I'm saying. You 835 01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:15.159 know, one thing that I remember as a kid, I was even as 836 01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:19.360 a kid, I suppose I was like, why'd they change their symbol? 837 01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:22.159 Like that never made sense to me. I thought that last night. I 838 01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:25.679 was like, why and why is it making a two? Well? I 839 01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:29.519 see it as he's doing like the V for victory or like a peace sign. 840 01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:35.519 I think that's fair, but but that's expensive, you know, like 841 01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:40.599 yeah, it's not like they're flushed with cash, you know. Yeah, 842 01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:45.159 yeah, they got to change all their And it's funny because because you know, 843 01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:50.320 you know, none of the other branded merch bothered going along with that, 844 01:03:50.360 --> 01:03:54.079 because I think it was like, no, this original symbol is what's 845 01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:58.119 worth a lot of money, you know. I yeah, it makes sense. 846 01:03:58.159 --> 01:04:00.519 But you can imagine, yeah, you want to come up with things 847 01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:05.039 to sell with or in the logic of the universe, they brought in a 848 01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:11.199 brand manager. You know, it's like read something strong, something that like 849 01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:15.159 it's to your point, expresses victory. Well, actually, you know, 850 01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:18.159 it's funny, we're talking about the merch. That's actually one of the reason 851 01:04:18.239 --> 01:04:25.119 that they called the car Ecto one A in this and not Ecdo two is 852 01:04:25.159 --> 01:04:28.400 because in the cartoon there was an Ecto two, which is like a portable 853 01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:32.719 helicopter thing. And so again they you know, the producer said, they 854 01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:36.800 made an active effort to not contradict the cartoon if they could avoid it. 855 01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:43.000 You know, that's isn't it funny? You can imagine nowadays a movie being 856 01:04:43.039 --> 01:04:45.079 like, screw the cartoon, we're the thing, you know. But I 857 01:04:45.159 --> 01:04:49.840 kind of love the synergy that they were trying to respect. Yeah, and 858 01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:55.360 it's a it was a smart thing because I I would say, certainly now 859 01:04:55.400 --> 01:04:59.079 this many decades later, the fandom for Ghostbusters is at least as much from 860 01:04:59.119 --> 01:05:01.519 the cartoon shows and anything else, you know. Yeah, and that was 861 01:05:01.559 --> 01:05:05.559 the thing too, right, I Mean it felt like for many years something 862 01:05:05.559 --> 01:05:09.159 that we loved, the brand, we loved as kids the movies were like, 863 01:05:09.199 --> 01:05:11.159 Wow, whatever, who cares about that thing. We're gonna make our 864 01:05:11.199 --> 01:05:14.039 own thing and we'll come up with our own rules and new characters. And 865 01:05:14.079 --> 01:05:16.679 as kids we're always like no, Like, we're the ones who are going 866 01:05:16.719 --> 01:05:19.679 to be begging your parents to buy the videotapes and the toys and the whatever, 867 01:05:19.800 --> 01:05:23.639 like, give us what we want. And so I think it's really 868 01:05:23.679 --> 01:05:28.719 savvy for them then to respect the youthful audience they know they gained through the 869 01:05:28.719 --> 01:05:33.880 cartoon. Yeah. I do love this. I just love the concept of 870 01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:36.920 a ghost train. I don't know why. It's it's very spielbergy. It 871 01:05:36.920 --> 01:05:41.760 feels like something out of Amazing Stories or something. Yes, that's what you're 872 01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:55.840 hip screaming, so funny. Yeah, it's great. See I'm telling of 873 01:05:55.880 --> 01:05:59.480 Brian, I'm I'm team Winston. Anytime he gets to do stuff, it 874 01:05:59.480 --> 01:06:02.639 makes me happy because I just feel like he gets ignored a little too much. 875 01:06:02.679 --> 01:06:05.679 You know. Yeah, I'm thrilled. I got to meet him actually 876 01:06:05.719 --> 01:06:09.639 when he did a voice for Puppy Dog Pals. Yeah, you had mentioned 877 01:06:09.639 --> 01:06:11.679 that, that's right. I got to go to the records and he was 878 01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:17.400 very cool. I can't remember if I said that I had ordered an autographed 879 01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:20.679 picture from him, like from his website. This is like a while, 880 01:06:20.719 --> 01:06:26.039 I don't know if he still offers that. And his wife emailed me and 881 01:06:26.079 --> 01:06:30.199 she's like, you know, Ernie, Ernie's out of town right now, 882 01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:31.920 but I just wanted to let you know that I received your order, and 883 01:06:32.079 --> 01:06:34.719 you know, it's like so sweet. I was like, it's like really 884 01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:38.559 nice. You know, I love that. Doesn't he live in Minnesota? 885 01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:45.719 I don't know, but that that seems like it would be the where to 886 01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:47.360 be, right, Like, I love that idea. And then him just 887 01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:50.480 be like, well, I got to make another movie back in bags. 888 01:06:50.760 --> 01:06:56.400 You know, he's a regular on the Quantum Leap Show right now. Oh 889 01:06:56.400 --> 01:07:02.159 that's right. I did know that. Yeah, so that's interesting. It 890 01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:08.360 would have otherwise than just cut to this. But I love the spookiness along 891 01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:12.239 the way. You know, there's there's some forces acting against them. It 892 01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:15.280 seems right well, and we talked past it. But I love the thing 893 01:07:15.320 --> 01:07:24.880 where they're like, where's Ray Ray Ray? Guys too. This cracks me 894 01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:29.119 up where Winston gets pulled in and then you get this kind of long shot 895 01:07:29.199 --> 01:07:36.280 of him just screaming as he's just being pulled down the river. Yeah. 896 01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:41.360 Yeah, I was reading with the compositing they had to hand animate him bobbing 897 01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:44.639 along. I thought that was that's ridiculous. Yeah. I gotta be honest, 898 01:07:44.639 --> 01:07:45.599 Brian, if it's you and me down there, you get pulled into 899 01:07:45.639 --> 01:07:48.159 the river, I turn around and I go home and I go to bed 900 01:07:48.679 --> 01:07:54.079 again. You know what, I love you, man, you know what, 901 01:07:55.159 --> 01:07:59.119 I wouldn't hold it against you. I don't know what that's stuff wide 902 01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:05.880 to you. Yeah, kids, man. So I wanted to mention the 903 01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:11.199 music in this movie. If there is one thing that I'm not crazy about, 904 01:08:11.239 --> 01:08:15.520 it is the score by Randy Edelman, who I otherwise like. Can 905 01:08:15.560 --> 01:08:19.199 I be honest, I didn't even really notice it. Well that's a problem, 906 01:08:19.279 --> 01:08:23.720 right, Yeah, Yeah, what's it likes? How's it different than 907 01:08:23.720 --> 01:08:28.119 the first one? Well, I think what what Elmer Bernstein did with the 908 01:08:28.119 --> 01:08:35.960 first film is he found that this perfect mix between comedy and adventure, and 909 01:08:35.960 --> 01:08:40.720 he found a way to merge those two. And there's certain thematic motifs that 910 01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:45.960 he brings back, but in different ways, you know, dun dun dun, 911 01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:47.760 dun dun duh, you know, and you hear different versions of that 912 01:08:47.800 --> 01:08:53.840 throughout and and he when it came time to do this, they offered it 913 01:08:53.880 --> 01:08:57.640 to him and he was like, I'm done with comedies, and he went 914 01:08:57.680 --> 01:09:00.239 off and did my left foot. So I think he's all, yeah, 915 01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:02.600 I think he for his for himself, he made the right choice. But 916 01:09:02.760 --> 01:09:09.159 I think I think Randy Edelman, I don't think he found the right lane 917 01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:19.640 to occupy. And so the music is either it's it's either distracting or unremarkable. 918 01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:27.279 Hmm. Man, I it's nuts because normally I do listen to the 919 01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:30.039 score, but I I honestly don't remember it. I was noticing all the 920 01:09:30.119 --> 01:09:33.039 sort of late eighties pop songs, you know, no, a lot of 921 01:09:33.079 --> 01:09:39.279 those. Yeah. Yeah, you think after the Ghostbuster song was such a 922 01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:41.680 big hit in the first film, they're like, okay, you know, 923 01:09:41.840 --> 01:09:45.520 yeah, let's let's load this up. Yeah, well, and and the 924 01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:50.680 Bobby Brown song did chart, but that too got got its ass kicked by 925 01:09:50.840 --> 01:09:57.720 by Batman because of bat Dance side Friends. Yeah, yeah, that was 926 01:09:57.760 --> 01:10:03.159 so they really vamped up Janine and between movies. Yeah yeah, no, 927 01:10:03.279 --> 01:10:06.199 she's just kind of wearing like sweaters and jeans in the first one and here 928 01:10:06.439 --> 01:10:13.880 right, Yeah, yeah, I'm sure it was more fun to play. 929 01:10:14.960 --> 01:10:20.600 Yeah, it's a good point. Do you remember it's so funny. I 930 01:10:20.600 --> 01:10:24.399 think I said this at the exact same moment last night with Federica. But 931 01:10:24.439 --> 01:10:27.399 do you remember that slime that used to come as a toy in Cereal? 932 01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:30.640 You know, you get that little plastic No, no, not Cereal. 933 01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:33.359 It was like at the grocery store there'd be like quarter in turn at the 934 01:10:33.720 --> 01:10:36.319 checkout laying and stuff. Yeah. I used to love that stuff. And 935 01:10:36.359 --> 01:10:41.439 I don't even know why, you know, but this the goole over their 936 01:10:41.479 --> 01:10:45.840 heads remains me of it. It was like this type of color, you 937 01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:49.279 know exactly. Yeah, it was like green or something whatever happened to those 938 01:10:49.359 --> 01:10:55.279 those quarter machines those yeah, you know, I don't know, you get 939 01:10:55.359 --> 01:10:58.119 like it was like it was like different things. There was like little plastic 940 01:10:58.479 --> 01:11:01.520 like a container and it would have like little wrestler guys in them or whatever, 941 01:11:01.560 --> 01:11:06.039 you know what I'm talking right exactly, or bouncy balls or fake tattoos. 942 01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:10.600 Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, man, I me 943 01:11:10.680 --> 01:11:15.079 too. I guess nobody has quarters anymore. You know, we just have 944 01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:20.800 Apple and we need Apple pay for those things that would be hilarious. This 945 01:11:20.840 --> 01:11:27.720 is so funny of the Red Long John's. I know, it's like it's 946 01:11:27.760 --> 01:11:33.880 like it's like from a nineteen thirties cartoon. Yeah, by the way, 947 01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:36.760 we have to call it that couple. The woman who gets the slime all 948 01:11:36.760 --> 01:11:43.560 over her? Do you recognize her? I have we have we gotten there 949 01:11:43.640 --> 01:11:48.039 yet? Uh no? But the blonde woman hubbubbing in the background right there. 950 01:11:48.079 --> 01:11:51.079 Yes, she popped out to me last night and I didn't know why. 951 01:11:51.119 --> 01:11:56.880 And it ends up that's my Michael Ovitz's wife, Judy Ovitz, who 952 01:11:57.119 --> 01:12:00.079 is in Back to the Future too, and she's theman who sells the sports 953 01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:04.479 almanac to Marty. Wow. Okay, yeah, I was like, I 954 01:12:04.479 --> 01:12:08.359 don't know something about her. And then her date there is played by a 955 01:12:08.399 --> 01:12:14.199 gentleman named Pete Mosen who was a Ghostbuster super fan and he did a lot 956 01:12:14.199 --> 01:12:19.119 of promotional stuff for the Ghostbusters built in Ecto one Replicah. Yeah, so 957 01:12:19.119 --> 01:12:23.960 they put him in the film. Hey good, that's great. Yeah, 958 01:12:24.399 --> 01:12:29.680 this is in the eighties when building your own ecdo one like that's that's a 959 01:12:29.720 --> 01:12:33.359 lot harder than it is now. Oh yeah, I mean now there's you 960 01:12:33.359 --> 01:12:40.199 know, Instagram pages dedicated to DeLorean time machine replicas. And there's Bobby Brown 961 01:12:40.239 --> 01:12:43.680 by the way. Yeah, yeah, right, right. I gotta say 962 01:12:43.680 --> 01:12:45.960 I like his song. It's a pretty catchy song. Yeah, it's good. 963 01:12:46.079 --> 01:12:49.680 I pulled up the video, the music video for his his song it's 964 01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:53.359 called On Her Own, and it's like, god, you know how the 965 01:12:53.680 --> 01:12:56.720 Ray Parker video for the first one has all these cameos. This one does 966 01:12:56.760 --> 01:13:00.199 too, where it's like Donald Trump and Christopher Eve and like all these people 967 01:13:00.279 --> 01:13:04.960 that are in the video little time capsules. You have the nineteen eighty four 968 01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:09.119 Chevy Chase and all those people, right, and then Danny de Vito. 969 01:13:10.119 --> 01:13:15.359 Yeah, speaking of Danny de Vito, I think I think Rightman's next movie 970 01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:21.960 after this was Twins if I'm not mistaken, Oh wow, yeah, and 971 01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:27.439 then Kindergarten Cop and he had like a terror there. Yeah, that's right. 972 01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:30.840 We should say the late Ivan, rightman, we haven't mentioned that between 973 01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:38.479 the last movie and this one he passed away, right, which still it 974 01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:44.840 feels weird to me because he even while promoting you know, Ghostbusters After Life, 975 01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:50.000 he seemed relatively youthful, you know. Yeah, yeah, I agree 976 01:13:50.039 --> 01:13:53.640 that news. That news came very suddenly. It felt like for me, 977 01:13:54.319 --> 01:14:02.239 yeah yeah, and he when he was still working on stuff, right to 978 01:14:02.279 --> 01:14:04.520 look it up, but yeah, I feel like he did that movie my 979 01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:14.279 super ex girlfriend that was him. Yeah. Yeah. Dave Margley has also 980 01:14:14.319 --> 01:14:24.119 passed away. I'm glad they brought him back as the mayor. Yeah. 981 01:14:24.239 --> 01:14:29.479 See, I love the you know where the first movie leaves the mayor with 982 01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:32.039 the Ghostbusters. He's on their side, and then just sort of sheer political 983 01:14:32.119 --> 01:14:36.720 calculation, craven political calculation made him cut bait with them, you know, 984 01:14:38.319 --> 01:14:43.640 right right a weasel? See And again, I mean, is it really 985 01:14:43.680 --> 01:14:46.199 missing from the movie. I don't know, But I wouldn't mind a little 986 01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:50.640 world building here about what New York City thinks about the Ghostbusters, how people 987 01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:54.279 are divided on him, like, weren't you once on their side? It's 988 01:14:54.279 --> 01:14:57.159 like, well, you know, you know, I like it'd be interesting 989 01:14:57.239 --> 01:15:00.359 to me. I guess as a as a grown up to under stand out 990 01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:08.520 a little bit better. Yeah, yeah, English doc see. But when 991 01:15:08.560 --> 01:15:13.119 you think about it, I mean this scene is very similar to the scene 992 01:15:13.159 --> 01:15:16.039 in the Mayor's office in the first one, and so I mean I think 993 01:15:16.079 --> 01:15:19.520 I think that's sort of what you see a lot of is like, Okay, 994 01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:21.800 we have that scene. Now we gotta do this. We got we 995 01:15:21.840 --> 01:15:26.600 have that, we gotta do this, and yeah, it feels like a 996 01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:30.520 straight jacket on some level. Interesting. Yeah, which is ironic because they're 997 01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:34.520 about to be in straight jackets. So that's right, that's right. But 998 01:15:34.600 --> 01:15:36.840 I love this here where the Mayor's like, what do you want me to 999 01:15:36.840 --> 01:15:42.520 do? Tell everybody they have to be nice? You know, treating people 1000 01:15:42.520 --> 01:15:46.399 like dirt does every New Yorker is god given? Right? Doesn't that feel 1001 01:15:46.439 --> 01:15:50.319 like a like an eighties nineties sort of like it really does New York, 1002 01:15:50.439 --> 01:15:56.439 you know, where everybody hates you or something. Has that been your experience? 1003 01:15:56.439 --> 01:15:58.960 You've been to New York a fair amount, Yeah, not at all. 1004 01:15:59.039 --> 01:16:00.439 No, I mean I mean it's like any city, you know, 1005 01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:04.720 it's like any city exactly. Yeah, I mean they're a little more I 1006 01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:11.920 would say, head down direct. Sure, sure, Los Angeles is a 1007 01:16:11.920 --> 01:16:15.800 little more sunny, I suppose, but you know, not this rude New 1008 01:16:15.880 --> 01:16:21.960 Yorker stereotype. But that definitely that was enough of a stereotype that when I 1009 01:16:23.000 --> 01:16:28.159 watched this movie at age ten, I was like, yeah, that's you 1010 01:16:28.239 --> 01:16:30.760 know, like that felt familiar to me. Oh totally yeah. And it 1011 01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:34.119 works for the comedy of this film, you know, I mean right down 1012 01:16:34.119 --> 01:16:39.840 to the plot of too much of it has generated this evil beneath the city. 1013 01:16:43.520 --> 01:16:47.560 Brian Doyle Murray. Brian Doyle Murray is about to say, yeah, 1014 01:16:47.600 --> 01:16:54.319 he's just shorthand isn't he just his his face, you know, just he 1015 01:16:54.560 --> 01:17:00.359 is a Brian Doyle Murray type, right, you know exactly, Okay, 1016 01:17:00.439 --> 01:17:03.159 I got it. I know what that guy is. Right. This is 1017 01:17:03.199 --> 01:17:08.359 the same year as a National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation also where he plays Chevy Chase's 1018 01:17:08.359 --> 01:17:12.920 boss. Wow. That was that? That was that was Christmas of this 1019 01:17:12.960 --> 01:17:16.239 year. I'm asuming eighty nine. Yeah, wow, that year was stacked. 1020 01:17:16.560 --> 01:17:23.279 That year was stacked. So Max one sit out. Didn't we just 1021 01:17:23.279 --> 01:17:27.520 see him in something? What are we just? Oh Dune, we just 1022 01:17:27.520 --> 01:17:30.720 watched and I oh the yeah, the old one. Yeah. Yeah, 1023 01:17:30.760 --> 01:17:34.000 yeah, And and you just saw him in Judge Dread that's right. Yes, 1024 01:17:34.840 --> 01:17:43.439 Wow, it's a it's a sit on his sance for me. Yeah. 1025 01:17:43.520 --> 01:17:45.359 Yeah. He does have a very distinctive voice, like I'm I was 1026 01:17:45.439 --> 01:17:48.479 kicking my own ass for not being like like, of course that's max Wan 1027 01:17:48.520 --> 01:17:50.680 said out, like how did I not? You know, no, I 1028 01:17:50.680 --> 01:17:56.159 couldn't play it. I was thinking like Christopher Lee or something in that sort 1029 01:17:56.159 --> 01:18:03.600 of ballpark. But yeah, no, now it's obvious. Yeah. Like 1030 01:18:04.600 --> 01:18:08.359 again, I have to say, like I just roll with the whole Vego 1031 01:18:08.439 --> 01:18:11.319 plot because it's just you know, you get it. It's just a thing 1032 01:18:11.319 --> 01:18:15.960 that the Ghostbusters have to defeat. But I don't. It doesn't hold together 1033 01:18:15.079 --> 01:18:20.680 as well as the goes Er scheme, you know, like what Goesers trying 1034 01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:24.680 to do and everything. No, it's so funny because I mean again, 1035 01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:28.039 it's one of those things where I can imagine, like a scene to sense 1036 01:18:28.119 --> 01:18:30.439 it all together would be nice. But on the other hand, I'm like 1037 01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:36.399 evil painting bad goo. Yeah that's fine, or this even you know, 1038 01:18:36.479 --> 01:18:40.600 like Okay, he needs a baby, we got a baby. I know 1039 01:18:40.720 --> 01:18:45.880 he's gonna although when he steps out of the painting and he's an actual physical 1040 01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:48.640 threat. At the end, I was like, do you need the baby? 1041 01:18:49.319 --> 01:18:55.800 Right? That's a good points baby. By the way, speaking of 1042 01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:59.239 the baby, who are looking at an on screen two twins? Yep, 1043 01:18:59.720 --> 01:19:03.640 the Deutschendorf's I guess, William and Henry. And they are the nephews of 1044 01:19:03.760 --> 01:19:09.680 John Denver. Wow, yeah, whose real name? John Denver's real name 1045 01:19:09.720 --> 01:19:15.000 was Henry Deutschendorf. The second Okay, so put that in your pipe and 1046 01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:16.840 smoke it, I don't know, and impress your friends at a party with 1047 01:19:16.880 --> 01:19:29.279 that. Yeah, then we have Evil Mary Poppins about to show up here. 1048 01:19:29.840 --> 01:19:33.000 See So I find that confusing. First of all, yes, because 1049 01:19:33.039 --> 01:19:39.000 it's Peter m that's Peter McNichol, which I don't so is he a ghost 1050 01:19:39.159 --> 01:19:43.359 now? That? Like that feels like a weird thing because you could have 1051 01:19:43.439 --> 01:19:47.880 just as easily had it be just a demon of some kind, right, 1052 01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:53.239 like to come and get the kid? Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, 1053 01:19:53.479 --> 01:19:57.760 I don't quite understand. It does feel very sort of kids film, 1054 01:19:57.840 --> 01:20:00.960 where you have like the villain dress up and something kind of funny, you 1055 01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:03.479 know, just up like a nanny. But it's like, is he a 1056 01:20:03.479 --> 01:20:06.800 ghost now? Like I don't. I don't understand it, you know, 1057 01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:10.600 right, I mean he's possessed, right, but it's not like we know 1058 01:20:10.640 --> 01:20:15.079 that he can leave his body or anything. Yeah, Like I've never understood 1059 01:20:15.119 --> 01:20:18.880 this, like like, what what is this that we're seeing of Janosh? 1060 01:20:19.399 --> 01:20:28.039 Yeah, I also think it's it's needlessly it makes the character needlessly creepy, 1061 01:20:28.159 --> 01:20:30.439 you know what I mean, Like up to this point, he's sort of 1062 01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:34.159 like he's a dupe, like a yeah, a goofy servant. Yeah, 1063 01:20:34.359 --> 01:20:40.439 yes, exactly right. I think that bit is just a little too it 1064 01:20:40.479 --> 01:20:46.279 makes him too creepy. Yeah, yeah, yep, I agree. I 1065 01:20:46.319 --> 01:20:49.479 mean again, it just feels like a movie filled with ideas. And I 1066 01:20:49.479 --> 01:20:55.600 mean, if we're to try to extrapolate from my LM's comment about we need 1067 01:20:55.600 --> 01:20:57.840 the shot, we need the shot, like maybe they're just kind of making 1068 01:20:57.880 --> 01:21:00.720 things up on the fly and just like, well, yea more interesting if 1069 01:21:00.720 --> 01:21:02.279 it was Peter McNichol who took it off, you know, just so there's 1070 01:21:02.319 --> 01:21:05.159 some sort of connection off the thing instead of a random ghost because we won't 1071 01:21:05.199 --> 01:21:11.279 know who that ghost is. And maybe yeah, yeah, I think that 1072 01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:15.000 you know, when you when you describe what the ILM people were likely going 1073 01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:18.760 through. It occurs to me like that they had the benefit of not having 1074 01:21:18.840 --> 01:21:25.319 CGI. In other words, like there were actual limitations like no, we 1075 01:21:25.359 --> 01:21:28.800 can't do that. Sorry, you know what I mean. Yes, that's 1076 01:21:28.840 --> 01:21:31.800 a good point. That's a really good point as opposed to now just just 1077 01:21:32.159 --> 01:21:38.439 stay even later and and clack your fingers even harder on the keyboard. You 1078 01:21:38.479 --> 01:21:41.640 know. That's yeah, you know that reminds me. I mean, working 1079 01:21:41.880 --> 01:21:43.800 I don't think I was speaking out of school here, but working on the 1080 01:21:43.800 --> 01:21:47.520 show Bob's Burgers. Part of my job back then was to look at the 1081 01:21:47.560 --> 01:21:53.520 finish show for the last time and make sure there were no errors, like, 1082 01:21:54.399 --> 01:21:57.319 you know, actual animation errors in the show, because that was on 1083 01:21:57.359 --> 01:22:00.279 a Wednesday, and the show would air on Sunday, so I would have 1084 01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:02.520 to sign off on a Wednesday, give it to Fox it err on Sunday. 1085 01:22:02.800 --> 01:22:06.119 And the thing is, when you watch these older Simpsons episodes and those 1086 01:22:06.399 --> 01:22:11.039 Flintstones and whatnot, there are all these animation errors because it's like, well, 1087 01:22:11.079 --> 01:22:14.079 what are you gonna do, Like have these guys redraw thirty seconds by 1088 01:22:14.119 --> 01:22:15.920 hand? You know, once you discover the errors, like some things, 1089 01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:19.720 you just have to let go. But with now animation being done digitally, 1090 01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:25.119 if there were errors, I would write them all down and the animators had 1091 01:22:25.159 --> 01:22:30.880 to stay in office as late as it took to fix the list of errors 1092 01:22:30.880 --> 01:22:32.039 that I caught that day, you know, because you could do that, 1093 01:22:32.119 --> 01:22:34.239 you could, like you say, you could clack on a computer and then 1094 01:22:35.199 --> 01:22:39.479 fix those things. So it's very different, very different now, different, 1095 01:22:39.520 --> 01:22:45.880 different time. Yeah, and you never really want to see your baby on 1096 01:22:45.920 --> 01:22:50.399 an altar surrounded by a candles dude. That on my list of yeah things. 1097 01:22:50.760 --> 01:22:54.520 Well, it's funny because because just earlier, when you when you see 1098 01:22:54.560 --> 01:22:57.880 them on the ledge, you're like, that's scary enough to imagine a kid, 1099 01:22:57.920 --> 01:23:03.720 you know what I mean? If there's something just inherently uncomfortable, unnerving 1100 01:23:03.720 --> 01:23:06.319 about seeing a baby in peril, even in a film when you know it's 1101 01:23:06.359 --> 01:23:15.520 not real, you know. Yeah. See, Like I think Yanush, 1102 01:23:15.560 --> 01:23:20.079 other than that bit of business with the evil Mary Poppins thing, he's just 1103 01:23:20.159 --> 01:23:28.560 like this goofy weirdo and and I think that that allows for at the end, 1104 01:23:29.319 --> 01:23:30.800 when you know, when they blast him with the ooze and he's like 1105 01:23:30.840 --> 01:23:33.279 I love you too, you know, You're like, ah see, he's 1106 01:23:33.279 --> 01:23:36.439 all right, you know, yeah. Yeah, yeah, kind of a 1107 01:23:36.479 --> 01:23:41.520 who it happens kind of thing, like he had exactly memory of what he 1108 01:23:41.640 --> 01:23:48.439 was used for as an instrument exactly. Yeah, that's a good point. 1109 01:23:49.560 --> 01:23:54.319 Yeah, I'd be willing to bet that Evil Mary Poppins thing was the result 1110 01:23:54.319 --> 01:23:58.199 of either something that was cut or just a quick, hasty decision to try 1111 01:23:58.239 --> 01:24:00.479 to tie things together after that test screen where people were feeling like things weren't 1112 01:24:00.479 --> 01:24:08.720 connected. That totally makes sense that Cannibal Girls I like some Sorry I said, 1113 01:24:08.840 --> 01:24:10.520 I was like, what is that? And it turns out that was 1114 01:24:10.560 --> 01:24:15.079 one of Ivan Rightman's first movies. That's right. Yeah, No, I 1115 01:24:15.199 --> 01:24:18.079 like this ghost montage, some of the clever ways they bring stuff in, 1116 01:24:18.159 --> 01:24:24.039 like this where the lady's jacket becomes like possessed. Yeah, that's great. 1117 01:24:24.079 --> 01:24:26.079 I mean that's creepy, you know what I mean. It's a good old 1118 01:24:26.119 --> 01:24:30.159 practical effect. Yeah, you know, you're just wearing that up. But 1119 01:24:30.199 --> 01:24:34.840 it's fun. That's great. I guess that was an idea they had for 1120 01:24:34.880 --> 01:24:40.159 the first film, but abandoned makes sense. It feels like because in the 1121 01:24:40.159 --> 01:24:43.800 first film, if you remember, after the containment unit explodes, you know, 1122 01:24:43.880 --> 01:24:47.560 you have a similar montage of just ghosts running amok. That's a cool 1123 01:24:47.600 --> 01:24:54.159 image. Yeah, and that great. Yeah. I guess Phil Tippitt did 1124 01:24:54.199 --> 01:24:59.359 that. It looks like it looks like a Tippet. Yeah, I guess 1125 01:24:59.439 --> 01:25:01.199 his his can because they were so overworked. They went to him and like, 1126 01:25:01.479 --> 01:25:04.159 we need you to do this, and his condition was it can only 1127 01:25:04.239 --> 01:25:08.600 be x amount of frames and it's static, and they're like, wow, 1128 01:25:08.640 --> 01:25:15.600 whatever, that's fine. Yeah. Is the Titanic just there's cheech Marine over 1129 01:25:15.640 --> 01:25:19.600 there. Yeah, yeah, I remember this shot right here creeped me the 1130 01:25:19.600 --> 01:25:23.000 hell out even when I was a little kid. Isn't it amazing? It's 1131 01:25:23.079 --> 01:25:29.000 static, but it's powerful, right right? Yeah, the ship and the 1132 01:25:29.439 --> 01:25:31.640 people d boarding the Titanic, the ghosts. I love it. It's really 1133 01:25:31.760 --> 01:25:35.720 like you said, it's still now. It evokes this creepiness. Hey, 1134 01:25:35.720 --> 01:25:42.000 Philip Baker Hall, Yes, wow, very dissay. And there's Ben Stein 1135 01:25:42.079 --> 01:25:45.840 over there. Yeah. You wonder if this scene was longer or something. 1136 01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:47.560 I mean, you you hire these guys who are such great act I well, 1137 01:25:47.600 --> 01:25:51.239 I definitely know that. This whole thing when he gets so pissed off, 1138 01:25:51.239 --> 01:25:54.479 when the Mary gets so pissed off at Urt folder, it's so funny, 1139 01:25:54.479 --> 01:25:58.760 but They basically added this where he's like, somebody, get me the 1140 01:25:58.800 --> 01:26:05.359 Ghostbusters. They added that because they had a whole thing filmed where like Rick 1141 01:26:05.439 --> 01:26:12.640 Morana what's the name, Lewis's cousin works at the sanitarium right by Eugene Levy 1142 01:26:12.720 --> 01:26:15.640 and he helps the Ghostbusters escape, and they've just cut that all out. 1143 01:26:15.680 --> 01:26:18.119 So in lieu of that, you just have the mayor be like, get 1144 01:26:18.119 --> 01:26:25.560 me the Ghostbusters. And so it's my implication they've they've been released. Yeah. 1145 01:26:25.560 --> 01:26:28.760 This they have a line in here about like the tenth Circle of Hell 1146 01:26:28.880 --> 01:26:31.680 or something, right, Yeah, And apparently in the trailer, if you 1147 01:26:31.720 --> 01:26:35.439 watch the trailer, that's a line Dan Aykroyd originally says at the mayor, 1148 01:26:36.520 --> 01:26:41.199 oh interesting in another location, so you, yeah, you can see that 1149 01:26:41.239 --> 01:26:44.239 this is like kind of a band aid scene. Oh, you'll be known 1150 01:26:44.279 --> 01:26:45.439 as the mayor who let New York get pulled in a tent circle. And 1151 01:26:45.439 --> 01:26:50.079 then he just has yeah, he just says it interesting. Yeah. I 1152 01:26:50.119 --> 01:26:53.159 love that stuff. By the way, it's not me picking it apart, 1153 01:26:53.199 --> 01:26:57.239 I mean just being interested in filmmaking. I find this stuff fascinating. I 1154 01:26:57.279 --> 01:26:59.800 mean you have to do that sometimes, right, I mean it's like we 1155 01:26:59.680 --> 01:27:02.199 were talking about with lethal weapon too. You know, it's hey, you 1156 01:27:02.279 --> 01:27:04.840 got to make cuts, you have to, you have to cover edits with 1157 01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:10.199 voiceover. That's just that's the job, you know. You know, your 1158 01:27:10.239 --> 01:27:13.159 goal is hopefully to make it as invisible as possible. I mean to your 1159 01:27:13.199 --> 01:27:17.479 point, you when you you watch this movie, you're not necessarily aware of 1160 01:27:17.520 --> 01:27:20.880 all of it. It's only with the knowledge of sort of the turmoil going 1161 01:27:20.960 --> 01:27:23.960 on that you're like, oh, okay, I can kind of see that. 1162 01:27:24.399 --> 01:27:31.960 Mm hm m hm. So I wonder if this is then the tail 1163 01:27:32.039 --> 01:27:35.640 end of that where his cousin let them out of maybe like a padded cell 1164 01:27:35.760 --> 01:27:39.800 or something, and then Lewis is come out of the building. That's right, 1165 01:27:39.920 --> 01:27:44.640 makes sense, right, Yeah? I mean originally the Kurt Fuller character 1166 01:27:44.720 --> 01:27:49.039 was supposed to die right trying to get in, trying to he basically like 1167 01:27:49.119 --> 01:27:55.640 the slime vaporizes him, right, And I kind of wish they'd left that 1168 01:27:55.680 --> 01:28:00.960 in, to be honest. Yeah, maybe if he had done something really 1169 01:28:01.000 --> 01:28:03.960 really bad, maybe he needed you know, it wasn't it was not fitting 1170 01:28:04.720 --> 01:28:08.239 of a punishment for him, where he's just kind of a little bit of 1171 01:28:08.479 --> 01:28:13.159 vocal opposition. I don't know, maybe they felt like it was too much 1172 01:28:13.279 --> 01:28:16.239 like we were saying, we tried to soften it a little bit. Yeah, 1173 01:28:16.359 --> 01:28:30.560 that's a good point. Vegos, mostly vegos, mainly vegos. I 1174 01:28:30.600 --> 01:28:33.319 was distracted by a couple of shots in here where it looked like a second 1175 01:28:33.439 --> 01:28:39.319 generation looking sort of fadedness to it, which made me think that there was 1176 01:28:39.359 --> 01:28:42.359 some sort of visual effect that was about to happen. But then nothing happened, 1177 01:28:42.760 --> 01:28:46.800 and it made me wonder what the story was with that. That happens 1178 01:28:46.800 --> 01:28:51.119 sometimes though, with certain films right where it's like a stray shot, yeah, 1179 01:28:51.960 --> 01:28:59.520 or maybe they zoomed in that could be yeah, or cropped in that 1180 01:28:59.640 --> 01:29:01.359 might be. I don't know. I love this stuff. This is why 1181 01:29:01.359 --> 01:29:05.319 I like listening to director's commentaries. I wish they'd you see them less and 1182 01:29:05.359 --> 01:29:12.680 less these days, because usually they're paired with blu rays. But that's I 1183 01:29:12.720 --> 01:29:19.199 think that they are still made available sometimes on streaming platforms commentary tracks, but 1184 01:29:19.399 --> 01:29:28.239 they are. They've become a rare and precious thing. Yep. I don't 1185 01:29:28.239 --> 01:29:30.279 know, man, I remember watching this in eighty nine and I'm like, 1186 01:29:30.319 --> 01:29:38.880 man, I'm so happy to see the Ghostbusters back, you know, Yeah, 1187 01:29:39.079 --> 01:29:41.960 it's just such a the proton packs too, which I guess, by 1188 01:29:41.960 --> 01:29:45.239 the way, that's the first time they ever actually referred to them as proton 1189 01:29:45.319 --> 01:29:47.640 packs, is in this movie, in this film. Well they did on 1190 01:29:47.680 --> 01:29:50.560 the show, yeah yeah, or maybe that Yeah, yeah, sure, 1191 01:29:51.199 --> 01:29:54.800 but in the film. Yeah, that's wow. I'd never thought about it, 1192 01:29:54.800 --> 01:29:57.680 but now you're you're right, Yeah that makes sense. But it's such 1193 01:29:57.720 --> 01:30:00.119 an iconic the image injury of it, right, you know what I mean, 1194 01:30:00.119 --> 01:30:05.720 like the backpacks and this the animated laser blasts. Mm hmm. Well, 1195 01:30:05.920 --> 01:30:11.159 you know to the point about about me being excited to see the Ghostbusters 1196 01:30:11.159 --> 01:30:14.399 back I mean audiences were too. You know this, uh, this was 1197 01:30:14.439 --> 01:30:17.640 when it came out, it was it was the biggest opening day of all 1198 01:30:17.720 --> 01:30:23.119 time and the biggest non holiday opening weekend of all time. Yeah, it 1199 01:30:23.279 --> 01:30:29.479 beats for Last Crusade. Yeah opening weekend, and and that record lasted Brian 1200 01:30:29.600 --> 01:30:33.600 for a whole week, right, and then came Batman, and then Batman 1201 01:30:34.119 --> 01:30:40.880 obliterated all of those records. But yeah, which is interesting, I mean 1202 01:30:40.920 --> 01:30:45.800 definitely. Uh. The critic reviews were much more negative than audience reviews. 1203 01:30:45.800 --> 01:30:54.239 Audience reviews were generally positive, but this movie just had the misfortune of arriving 1204 01:30:54.239 --> 01:30:58.640 in the summer of Batman. Mm hmmm, mm hmmm. Well it's it's 1205 01:30:58.680 --> 01:31:02.560 interesting too. I mean, all the actors and the filmmakers when they reflect 1206 01:31:02.600 --> 01:31:06.039 on it, it seems to be a negative experience, and even just they 1207 01:31:06.079 --> 01:31:11.359 they're like, well, we can see why it underperformed. You know, 1208 01:31:11.439 --> 01:31:15.119 they basically blame Wrightman blamed Batman, saying that, you know, audiences, 1209 01:31:15.239 --> 01:31:20.279 it seemed like they were seeking something more cynical and points at Batman and you 1210 01:31:20.279 --> 01:31:24.600 know, darker in tone, where his Ghostbusters too, was more upbeaten and 1211 01:31:24.720 --> 01:31:29.119 had an optimistic ending, and that was sort of his reflections on it. 1212 01:31:29.960 --> 01:31:33.520 I mean, this is all Monday morning quarterbacking. But but I think probably 1213 01:31:34.520 --> 01:31:38.920 this would have been a better Christmas movie. I think so too. I 1214 01:31:38.920 --> 01:31:43.359 can see that, or like November Thanksgiving or something. Yeah, but you 1215 01:31:43.359 --> 01:31:45.439 know, I was reading also, you know, industry experts were saying that 1216 01:31:45.920 --> 01:31:49.399 it was just a really, really crowded summer also, and so you had 1217 01:31:50.239 --> 01:31:55.439 Batman on one side of it, taking the teenagers away, and then you 1218 01:31:55.439 --> 01:31:58.199 had Honey Shrunk the kids on the other side of it, taking the families 1219 01:31:58.239 --> 01:32:00.399 away. And this movie, you know, might have paid a little bit 1220 01:32:00.399 --> 01:32:06.479 for that. Well and and I'm sort of talking past myself, but maybe 1221 01:32:06.720 --> 01:32:13.359 maybe the the very thing that kept the Ghostbusters in the public eye, which 1222 01:32:13.399 --> 01:32:15.720 is their general the ubiquity, you know, between the two movies, that 1223 01:32:15.880 --> 01:32:21.319 made the sequel seem less special. Mm hmm yeah maybe right, Like, 1224 01:32:21.319 --> 01:32:27.119 oh, we get so much Ghostbusters already. Sure, sure, because when 1225 01:32:27.119 --> 01:32:29.760 you think about it, I mean, there's the same gap between Indiana Jones 1226 01:32:29.800 --> 01:32:32.880 movies. Oh that's a wow. Yeah, you're right, eighty four and 1227 01:32:32.920 --> 01:32:39.560 eighty nine, right, yeah, yep, huh yeah, good point. 1228 01:32:42.520 --> 01:32:45.439 But I mean, I it's hard. It's hard for me to say because 1229 01:32:45.479 --> 01:32:49.039 I've I've always enjoyed this one, fully cognizant of its deficiencies, but I've 1230 01:32:49.119 --> 01:32:51.479 I've never been down on it. I know some people were, but but 1231 01:32:53.159 --> 01:32:56.560 I I know that when it came out, there's a general perception it was 1232 01:32:56.600 --> 01:33:00.279 like, oh, the second one, it's it's not any good. I 1233 01:33:00.439 --> 01:33:03.920 feel like that's changed. J Like, I don't know that this one is 1234 01:33:05.199 --> 01:33:12.039 ragged on as much. Yeah, well, y And I feel like I've 1235 01:33:12.079 --> 01:33:15.920 said this about the Batman films a lot, which is when it's the movie 1236 01:33:15.960 --> 01:33:18.520 of the moment, like this is the new thing, this is Ghostbusters hours 1237 01:33:18.680 --> 01:33:24.560 or this is Batman. Now you're scrutinizing it a lot harder, right, 1238 01:33:24.600 --> 01:33:27.720 But then when you have more things come along and you can take a step 1239 01:33:27.760 --> 01:33:29.800 back and you're not being so hard on it. You're like, well, 1240 01:33:29.800 --> 01:33:33.279 this is fun to watch too, right, Yeah, No, I think 1241 01:33:33.279 --> 01:33:39.279 you're right. I also, I have to imagine that there is I mean, 1242 01:33:39.319 --> 01:33:43.079 again, thirty five years a lot of kids grow up watching this one, 1243 01:33:43.479 --> 01:33:47.319 totally totally right. Yeah. And I wonder too if you have an 1244 01:33:47.319 --> 01:33:51.520 audience that first saw it as kids in eighty four and then they aged up 1245 01:33:51.560 --> 01:33:57.319 a little bit and this movie felt maybe a little younger next to Batman, 1246 01:33:57.399 --> 01:34:01.239 which came out the next week, right, Like they were like, yeah, 1247 01:34:01.279 --> 01:34:03.119 I mean, just just your point. I mean, I mean we've 1248 01:34:03.119 --> 01:34:06.520 said before that we were at the exact right age for Batman because we were 1249 01:34:06.800 --> 01:34:13.359 like nine or ten. If you were ten when Ghostbusters came, the first 1250 01:34:13.359 --> 01:34:16.000 Ghostbusters, then maybe the second one would feel a little kiddy to you, 1251 01:34:16.560 --> 01:34:21.039 right, Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. So this too, the Statue 1252 01:34:21.039 --> 01:34:28.840 of Liberty effect. I mean, it's this amazing marriage of miniatures and you 1253 01:34:28.840 --> 01:34:31.560 know, composition, and I mean just you know what I mean, like, 1254 01:34:32.079 --> 01:34:38.880 oh, yeah, there's so much happening here. It's amazing. Yeah, 1255 01:34:38.960 --> 01:34:44.520 I gotta be honest, I think as I get older, I actually 1256 01:34:44.560 --> 01:34:46.560 love I love this. I love the statue of Liberty walking down the street 1257 01:34:46.560 --> 01:34:49.039 and people cheering. I don't know, man, it just hits me in 1258 01:34:49.079 --> 01:34:54.840 the fields. I mean, this is this is my core essence here, 1259 01:34:54.920 --> 01:34:58.960 Like I've always rooting for, like the forgiveness at the end of a film, 1260 01:34:59.000 --> 01:35:01.000 you know, or positive he's saving the day, and that's literally what 1261 01:35:01.079 --> 01:35:04.279 this ending is, you know, like trying to rally New York together with 1262 01:35:04.319 --> 01:35:12.119 a symbol that makes them feel good and having positivity fight like a supernatural evil 1263 01:35:12.159 --> 01:35:15.520 that literally is negativity. You know, this speaks to me very much. 1264 01:35:16.199 --> 01:35:21.279 I love that shot by the way of the statue crushing that car. That's 1265 01:35:21.319 --> 01:35:24.960 amazing. How how did like I'm looking at I'm like, how'd you do 1266 01:35:25.039 --> 01:35:33.239 that? I know it looks so good. Yeah, So here's here's which 1267 01:35:33.279 --> 01:35:42.199 would probably I didn't know you could drive or license. It's funny because you 1268 01:35:42.239 --> 01:35:45.439 now we know that he had a whole movie pursuing that character, and now 1269 01:35:45.479 --> 01:35:48.399 it's like, yeah, this Slimer's gonna drive a bus to take me where 1270 01:35:48.399 --> 01:35:53.319 I need to go. Yeah, it's it's literally They said that they they 1271 01:35:53.439 --> 01:35:58.199 left in these little snippets of Slimmer just because they knew kids would want kids 1272 01:35:58.239 --> 01:36:00.119 would be expecting Slammer. But I don't know, I do kind of wish 1273 01:36:00.159 --> 01:36:04.520 they'd had a little bit more of him in there. Yeah, yeah, 1274 01:36:04.560 --> 01:36:08.680 but they I guess they just didn't feel consequential to the story, right, 1275 01:36:08.680 --> 01:36:12.199 there were sort of yeah, that's the little side adventures that you just didn't 1276 01:36:12.199 --> 01:36:21.119 need. So originally, like pre test screenings, it was just a situation 1277 01:36:21.279 --> 01:36:28.359 where the Ghostbusters repelled down and they zapped you go back into the painting that's 1278 01:36:28.399 --> 01:36:32.159 at the end, And it was basically test screens that were like, wait 1279 01:36:32.159 --> 01:36:36.600 a minute, that's it, right, So they had to go back and 1280 01:36:36.680 --> 01:36:42.439 kind of add add some third act peril you know. Yeah, yeah, 1281 01:36:42.640 --> 01:36:45.560 yeah, I was reading about that. He said the last twenty five minutes 1282 01:36:45.720 --> 01:36:51.119 died a horrible death, and so they had to go back. Yeah, 1283 01:36:51.600 --> 01:36:57.199 you know, did the walking statue of Liberty down the street evoke marshmallow Man 1284 01:36:57.279 --> 01:36:59.880 to you? Like? Does that feel? Oh, without without a doubt, 1285 01:37:00.159 --> 01:37:02.279 it felt like, okay, well we need a big giant thing going 1286 01:37:02.279 --> 01:37:09.319 down the street. So it's funny because you can't escape it. However, 1287 01:37:09.399 --> 01:37:11.640 I do love it because it does it is different. I mean, the 1288 01:37:11.680 --> 01:37:15.239 state's mistakes of it, the situation is different. With a twist. Yeah, 1289 01:37:15.279 --> 01:37:18.760 with the spectacle of seeing the Statue of Liberty walking down a street in 1290 01:37:18.760 --> 01:37:23.520 New York is really fun to me. I love it. Yeah, I 1291 01:37:23.920 --> 01:37:29.359 mean I don't know what people thought at the time, but like, is 1292 01:37:29.399 --> 01:37:31.399 that is that a bridge too far? You know? Is that too much 1293 01:37:31.399 --> 01:37:38.319 of a bye? The idea that you can that you can get the Statue 1294 01:37:38.319 --> 01:37:41.359 of Liberty to come alive, so to speak, you know, you know, 1295 01:37:41.880 --> 01:37:45.119 I mean at this point in the movie for me, no, but 1296 01:37:45.319 --> 01:37:47.359 yeah, I think I did read there was a deleted scene where they realized 1297 01:37:47.399 --> 01:37:51.000 they could utilize the slime that way. But I mean, I don't know. 1298 01:37:51.039 --> 01:37:56.159 For me, I get it. I mean, the movie is what, 1299 01:37:56.239 --> 01:37:58.720 it's just under two hours, right, I'm like, maybe a minute 1300 01:37:58.840 --> 01:38:00.560 or two of that stuff wouldn't have been the worst thing in the world. 1301 01:38:02.039 --> 01:38:04.479 Yeah, well, I mean to what I was saying earlier, Yeah, 1302 01:38:04.520 --> 01:38:06.960 a little bit, especially with the world building of it all, I wouldn't 1303 01:38:06.960 --> 01:38:12.399 have minded a bit. But yeah, even like a news report, you 1304 01:38:12.439 --> 01:38:15.720 know, like the Ghostbusters are on trial today and many believe, you know, 1305 01:38:15.840 --> 01:38:17.319 why would you do this to heroes or save New York. While on 1306 01:38:17.359 --> 01:38:20.880 the other hand, some people, yeah, it was all a hoax anyway, 1307 01:38:20.880 --> 01:38:26.720 and they destroyed a building and we're caught defacing property again today now to 1308 01:38:26.800 --> 01:38:33.439 the trial something like that. There you go, do your fan edit adding 1309 01:38:33.479 --> 01:38:41.600 that in, right, But it really doesn't make me wonder. I mean 1310 01:38:42.039 --> 01:38:45.840 I mentioned it earlier, but Bill Murray said that they signed on to do 1311 01:38:45.880 --> 01:38:48.680 this movie with a different script. His quote was, Harold had a great 1312 01:38:48.680 --> 01:38:50.880 idea, but by the time we got to shooting it. I showed up 1313 01:38:50.920 --> 01:38:54.279 on set and went, what the hell is this? What is this thing? 1314 01:38:54.760 --> 01:38:57.840 But they were already shooting it, and You're like, well, what, 1315 01:38:58.800 --> 01:39:00.720 I'm just curre, I'm just for cureuriosity's sake. What was it? 1316 01:39:02.439 --> 01:39:06.399 Yeah? And again, I mean, the experience making this was enough of 1317 01:39:06.399 --> 01:39:11.479 an impediment, at least for Bill Murray to keep him, you know, 1318 01:39:11.640 --> 01:39:16.520 from ever doing a third one with all of the band back together. So 1319 01:39:16.600 --> 01:39:20.000 I real quick, So this right here, so I happened to I was 1320 01:39:20.000 --> 01:39:26.560 watching with humsau. This is like whatever thirteen years ago and I got up 1321 01:39:26.560 --> 01:39:29.119 to make a phone call and right here he just he runs out of the 1322 01:39:29.199 --> 01:39:34.520 room crying. He's like, what happened? It is right? But he 1323 01:39:34.640 --> 01:39:40.399 think he was like three maybe, oh wow, you know, and so 1324 01:39:40.600 --> 01:39:42.640 like he had enough awareness to be like, oh no, I don't like 1325 01:39:42.680 --> 01:39:45.000 what's happening to the baby? You know why? Well, and you see 1326 01:39:45.039 --> 01:39:48.640 the baby start to cry and you understand. I mean the actor is very 1327 01:39:48.680 --> 01:39:53.439 scary looking. It is, yeah, the faces he's making holding him up 1328 01:39:53.439 --> 01:39:57.520 above his head, and that's why Hums is all screwed up. Even though 1329 01:39:58.920 --> 01:40:05.439 I'm just joking, not he's a great kid. I'm actually very disappointed because 1330 01:40:05.479 --> 01:40:11.880 as we are recording this tomorrow, I'm supposed to go see I'm supposed to 1331 01:40:11.880 --> 01:40:13.359 go see this, and I was checked with him. I was like, 1332 01:40:13.359 --> 01:40:15.239 hey, when when are you? Are you free you know to watch He's 1333 01:40:15.239 --> 01:40:18.600 like, oh, absolutely, And then I got tickets and then he's like, 1334 01:40:18.680 --> 01:40:24.039 oh, actually my coach told me I'm in the golf game tomorrow. 1335 01:40:25.520 --> 01:40:30.399 And I'm like, but I'm watching it without him, Like sorry, man, 1336 01:40:31.600 --> 01:40:43.079 everyone else is already going yeah, I love this. Right. Positivity 1337 01:40:43.119 --> 01:40:46.399 wins the day. I think I think it's a good message, but you 1338 01:40:46.479 --> 01:40:53.920 have to admit it lacks the the immediacy of you know, we have to 1339 01:40:53.960 --> 01:40:57.720 cross the streams, you know, oh for sure, for sure, I 1340 01:40:57.720 --> 01:41:00.760 think I think that's that's It's not the problem with this movie necessarily, but 1341 01:41:00.840 --> 01:41:06.520 it's like that first one. It it it hits every base right and even 1342 01:41:08.079 --> 01:41:10.279 you know, at the end of that movie, when they're about to cross 1343 01:41:10.319 --> 01:41:14.399 the streams and you know, Ray looks over at Peter, He's like, 1344 01:41:14.439 --> 01:41:16.039 it's been nice working with you, doctor Bankman, you know, and they 1345 01:41:16.119 --> 01:41:20.640 kind of acknowledge, like it's like it's this big heroic moment. And I 1346 01:41:20.680 --> 01:41:25.159 don't think this one quite figured out how to measure up to that. I 1347 01:41:25.199 --> 01:41:29.800 mean, we can acknowledge that because they sort of they had to stiff something 1348 01:41:29.840 --> 01:41:33.239 together here. You know. Yeah, I completely agree with you. And 1349 01:41:33.279 --> 01:41:38.119 I wonder also, if they had the special effects that we have now, 1350 01:41:39.239 --> 01:41:42.079 if you could make more of a meal out of the fact that they're singing 1351 01:41:42.199 --> 01:41:46.199 is having an effect on the cocoon around the museum, like you can start 1352 01:41:46.199 --> 01:41:49.199 to crack and beams of light coming out of it, you know, like 1353 01:41:49.279 --> 01:41:55.119 it might feel or maybe even bring the scariness outside and the people feel threatened, 1354 01:41:55.199 --> 01:41:57.399 but it's like, no, be brave, be positive, you know, 1355 01:41:57.439 --> 01:42:00.560 and keeping people there, singing and having all of it in front of 1356 01:42:00.600 --> 01:42:08.319 them that might have felt bigger. That's that's a good point. That does 1357 01:42:08.319 --> 01:42:10.439 crack me. But I don't know if it's meant to be funny. But 1358 01:42:10.520 --> 01:42:14.520 when suddenly raised Vigo, I don't know, I find it funny. No, 1359 01:42:14.600 --> 01:42:17.279 it feels very random, right, what you were saying earlier, you 1360 01:42:17.319 --> 01:42:19.640 know, I mean, obviously there was something more to that. It was 1361 01:42:19.640 --> 01:42:26.760 abandoned, but it sort of feels like a hat on a hat in the 1362 01:42:26.840 --> 01:42:34.399 moment. Yeah, it's a good way of putting it. Yeah, Now 1363 01:42:34.399 --> 01:42:39.319 did Louis or Lewis did he do anything or no? He just feels like 1364 01:42:39.319 --> 01:42:43.319 he did. Yeah, that was my sense that it just so happened to 1365 01:42:43.319 --> 01:42:48.600 coincide with his shooting, happened to coincide with them defeating Vigo, right right, 1366 01:42:49.119 --> 01:42:53.319 Well, good for him, everyone's cheering him off. That's nice. 1367 01:42:56.840 --> 01:43:00.000 I remember these tanks on the posters also, right, Like they had the 1368 01:43:00.000 --> 01:43:04.079 differences. They had the darker uniforms and they had the right yeah, which 1369 01:43:04.119 --> 01:43:09.039 they only really wear in the montages. Yeah, yeah, I guess that 1370 01:43:09.159 --> 01:43:12.600 they were designed for the film, and he was like, go back to 1371 01:43:12.640 --> 01:43:15.920 the originals, really, because I I don't mind them. Actually, yeah, 1372 01:43:15.960 --> 01:43:20.920 I mean it looks different different movie. I think in the animated show, 1373 01:43:20.960 --> 01:43:27.319 you know, they each wear a different colored flight suit, and so 1374 01:43:27.439 --> 01:43:31.000 I would imagine that the thinking was, maybe we can mix it up to 1375 01:43:31.039 --> 01:43:35.159 have it reflect you know, what they did on the show. Yeah, 1376 01:43:35.239 --> 01:43:38.960 well that makes sense too. I mean, you think of the Ninja Turtles. 1377 01:43:38.960 --> 01:43:44.039 It's easy. Colors helped me distinguish a little bit exactly. Yeah. 1378 01:43:44.079 --> 01:43:46.520 I mean I was when I was at Target, you know, and I 1379 01:43:46.560 --> 01:43:48.880 was looking at you know, I mentioned I was looking at the toys for 1380 01:43:49.039 --> 01:43:51.880 the classic toys, but they also had toys for the new movie. And 1381 01:43:51.920 --> 01:43:56.439 it's like, oh, here's you know, Phoebe and Trevor and whatever, 1382 01:43:56.520 --> 01:43:59.479 you know, Gary, and it's all the characters, but they're all wearing 1383 01:43:59.520 --> 01:44:01.920 the gray jumpsuits. I was thinking. I was like, you can see 1384 01:44:01.960 --> 01:44:05.079 why Kenner and the cartoon people were like, no, let's mix them up, 1385 01:44:05.079 --> 01:44:08.720 so each of them has a different color in the jumpsuit. You know. 1386 01:44:09.119 --> 01:44:13.239 I think it makes sense. Yeah, so where does this painting come 1387 01:44:13.239 --> 01:44:16.600 from? It sort of feels like an idea they just wanted to do. 1388 01:44:17.680 --> 01:44:27.279 Yeah, but it doesn't really have any logic to it. Wow, is 1389 01:44:27.119 --> 01:44:30.319 it? Is it over already? I know it surprised me last night too, 1390 01:44:30.319 --> 01:44:31.720 but I was like, okay, so you have New York cheering them 1391 01:44:31.720 --> 01:44:38.199 on again. I was like, I hope someone is videotaping this as a 1392 01:44:38.239 --> 01:44:42.920 camquarder so New York does not forget yet again again. Well, but by 1393 01:44:42.960 --> 01:44:45.680 the time we get to Afterlife, I mean they kind of have, right, 1394 01:44:45.840 --> 01:44:48.319 like, yeah, the world has moved on, right, like Paul 1395 01:44:48.359 --> 01:44:57.840 Red who has to remind people remember the Ghostbusters? Come on, Harold Ramis 1396 01:44:57.920 --> 01:45:00.039 rip. I know I was gonna say. In our world too, though, 1397 01:45:00.079 --> 01:45:04.479 things major, major world events happen and we just sort of move on 1398 01:45:04.680 --> 01:45:11.239 and forget. And it's kind of a sad reality actually, I mean you 1399 01:45:11.319 --> 01:45:13.880 know to that point, right, like yeah, I mean how do we 1400 01:45:14.000 --> 01:45:17.560 how do how is nine to eleven thought of today? Mm hmm, right, 1401 01:45:17.720 --> 01:45:21.800 like it's barely thought of? Or actually even better more recent example is 1402 01:45:21.840 --> 01:45:28.319 like January sixth, sure, sure, right, I mean that's like three 1403 01:45:28.399 --> 01:45:31.479 years ago and it's out of sight, out of mind, right or you 1404 01:45:31.479 --> 01:45:33.520 think I mean that's more recent, but with nine to eleven. You think 1405 01:45:33.560 --> 01:45:38.840 of a younger generation who were, you know, toddlers when that happened, 1406 01:45:38.880 --> 01:45:45.239 and so they don't have the emotional Yeah, uh Scar, I guess hmm 1407 01:45:46.359 --> 01:45:53.079 Will Deutschendorf. There you go, Hank Deutschendorf. The kid is like late 1408 01:45:53.159 --> 01:45:56.760 thirties now right. I thought about that. Yeah. Actually, sadly one 1409 01:45:56.800 --> 01:46:00.960 of them's passed away. No really, Oh I didn't know that. That's 1410 01:46:01.000 --> 01:46:06.159 really sad. Yeah. So this this here, that's that was from the 1411 01:46:06.159 --> 01:46:11.159 ghost jogger scene, so presumably it is a little bit more mm hmmm, 1412 01:46:11.479 --> 01:46:15.720 well we passed it. But Bo Welch do you know this story about Bo 1413 01:46:15.840 --> 01:46:21.119 Welch. He was the production designer on Beetlejuice and he had a crush on 1414 01:46:21.239 --> 01:46:26.479 Catherine O'Hara, and I guess word got to Tim Burton and Burton was like, 1415 01:46:26.640 --> 01:46:30.439 well't ask her out, and Welch was like, we can do that, 1416 01:46:30.000 --> 01:46:32.720 you know, her being the actress in the film. And he's like, 1417 01:46:32.760 --> 01:46:36.119 yeah, why not, and so he did and they've been married ever 1418 01:46:36.199 --> 01:46:42.039 since. Get out of here. Yeah, that is a lovely story. 1419 01:46:42.079 --> 01:46:44.119 Wow is that sweet? I love Tim Burton too, Like, well, 1420 01:46:44.119 --> 01:46:49.000 I don't ask her out. Wow. All right, well, hey Ghostbusters 1421 01:46:49.000 --> 01:46:53.039 too. What do you think? Man? You know, it's it's a 1422 01:46:53.079 --> 01:46:57.279 bop. It's fun. I I agree, it's fun seeing these guys in 1423 01:46:57.319 --> 01:47:03.319 their primes still as a goofing around, getting to see the old school special 1424 01:47:03.359 --> 01:47:11.279 effects and you know, it's just fun. It's a fun romp. Yeah, 1425 01:47:11.319 --> 01:47:16.239 I think you know, it makes me happy that the franchise is continuing 1426 01:47:16.279 --> 01:47:19.640 on. You know, I hope this next one does well enough to keep 1427 01:47:19.640 --> 01:47:24.279 it going. But also you know, it's like we're never going to get 1428 01:47:24.520 --> 01:47:30.640 this configuration ever again, and so you cherish it a little at least. 1429 01:47:30.680 --> 01:47:35.399 I do you know, like we got two with these guys. Agreed, 1430 01:47:35.479 --> 01:47:39.319 And I was gonna say, I this could be my age speaking, but 1431 01:47:39.640 --> 01:47:44.920 the whole tactile nature of the ghosts and the effects just adds to the charm. 1432 01:47:45.000 --> 01:47:50.199 Yeah slash the spookiness that mixed with comedy that I think these movies pull 1433 01:47:50.199 --> 01:47:56.359 off so well, And I think there's something inherently charming about that that you 1434 01:47:56.399 --> 01:48:01.600 can't replicate with the newer films. Holding nothing against those, but I just 1435 01:48:01.640 --> 01:48:06.439 love that we have two of these with its quirkiness and its visual quirkiness that 1436 01:48:06.439 --> 01:48:12.720 we get to enjoy. I'll tell you I watched this one and I just 1437 01:48:12.760 --> 01:48:19.159 want to pour myself a bowl of Ghostbuster cereal and take a big swig of 1438 01:48:19.199 --> 01:48:23.159 my Ecto cooler. I was gonna say, serve me up a glass of 1439 01:48:23.159 --> 01:48:28.239 Ecto cooler and I'm good. Which they started selling that again briefly, didn't 1440 01:48:28.239 --> 01:48:31.640 they a couple of years ago. I think when the last film, or 1441 01:48:31.680 --> 01:48:34.840 maybe it was the one with Christin Wig whenever they came out the twenty sixteen 1442 01:48:34.880 --> 01:48:41.600 one, Yeah, did you try it again? I'm like, I'm not 1443 01:48:41.720 --> 01:48:45.479 ten anymore, dude. I wanted to try it because I loved it when 1444 01:48:45.479 --> 01:48:46.920 I was a kid and they were serving it at a movie theater and I 1445 01:48:46.960 --> 01:48:50.399 had This was when I was at bobs Burger's and all of us we had 1446 01:48:50.399 --> 01:48:54.920 a lunch group and we drove to the theater on our lunch break and bought 1447 01:48:54.960 --> 01:48:57.720 it to try it, and we were all like, how did we ever 1448 01:48:57.880 --> 01:49:00.199 like this? Oh? Yeah, I don't even need you to tell me 1449 01:49:00.239 --> 01:49:05.239 that to be like, yeah, I don't think it would work. Yeah. 1450 01:49:05.439 --> 01:49:11.199 One last tidbit, if people are interested, go on YouTube, google 1451 01:49:11.359 --> 01:49:17.159 Ghostbusters to Oprah Chris Farley, and there is a clip of all the actors 1452 01:49:17.199 --> 01:49:20.680 here, Sigourney Weaver, Bill Murray promoting Ghostbusters Too on Oprah, and it 1453 01:49:20.720 --> 01:49:27.800 cuts to the audience cheering and you see a pretty famous Chris Farley like whooping 1454 01:49:27.840 --> 01:49:31.479 it up and clapping and it's really delightful to see. Wow. Yeah, 1455 01:49:31.520 --> 01:49:34.680 I guess that because he would have started on SNL maybe a year or so 1456 01:49:34.800 --> 01:49:40.600 later, probably pretty close to this. Right. Was he from Chicago? 1457 01:49:40.680 --> 01:49:46.359 I know he died in Chicago. I want to say Wisconsin, but he 1458 01:49:46.479 --> 01:49:50.039 could maybe have done you know, Second City or something out of Chicago. 1459 01:49:50.079 --> 01:49:54.520 I'm not he did die in Chicago, right, I'm right. It wasn't 1460 01:49:54.520 --> 01:49:57.479 even the Handcock or something. Yeah, No, that feels right. I 1461 01:49:57.479 --> 01:49:59.880 mean, I mean, yeah, I kind of associated with Chicago. I'm 1462 01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:03.359 thinking he might have been originally from Wisconsin. But okay, yeah, but 1463 01:50:03.439 --> 01:50:05.960 yeah, no Second City or something, because I'm thinking, like, why 1464 01:50:06.000 --> 01:50:10.319 would he have been in the Oprah audience, right, yeah? Yeah, 1465 01:50:10.399 --> 01:50:13.479 yeah, So maybe he moved there to do comedy And that's when I mean, 1466 01:50:13.520 --> 01:50:15.039 who knows, he could have done a show that night been discovered and 1467 01:50:15.039 --> 01:50:19.359 then there you go. Yeah. And by the way, yeah, it's 1468 01:50:19.600 --> 01:50:23.239 I'm on Wikipedia. It says Farley was found dead by his younger brother John 1469 01:50:23.279 --> 01:50:25.560 in his apartment in the John Hancocks Center in Chicago. Wow, I was 1470 01:50:25.600 --> 01:50:30.359 right about that. Yeah, Wow crazy and it says yeah. He his 1471 01:50:30.399 --> 01:50:38.399 hometown of Madison, Wisconsin. Over five hundred people attended his funeral, including 1472 01:50:38.479 --> 01:50:45.239 Dan Aykroyd, Adam Sandler, Chris rock Ropschneider. Wow. Yeah, anyway, 1473 01:50:45.399 --> 01:50:47.199 sorry, no, no, no, but but it's it's it's a 1474 01:50:47.239 --> 01:50:51.239 really it's very brief, but it's a very charming clip. Yeah. Check 1475 01:50:51.319 --> 01:50:56.399 that out. Well. If you have any thoughts about Ghostbusters to let us 1476 01:50:56.399 --> 01:50:58.880 know, you can email us at Movie Film Podcast at gmail dot com. 1477 01:50:58.920 --> 01:51:01.479 You can also hit like on our Facebook page, Facebook dot com Slash Movie 1478 01:51:01.479 --> 01:51:08.039 Film Podcast and message us there. You know, I know this movie tends 1479 01:51:08.079 --> 01:51:12.439 to get very polarized reactions, so I'm actually genuinely curious what are your memories 1480 01:51:12.479 --> 01:51:15.880 of watching this one? And of course, if you have any questions or 1481 01:51:15.880 --> 01:51:19.880 comments for us, you can send us to them via email, or you 1482 01:51:19.880 --> 01:51:24.079 can hit like on our Facebook page, Facebook dot com Slash Movie Film Podcast 1483 01:51:24.439 --> 01:51:30.039 and message us there, Brian, anything you want to say as we as 1484 01:51:30.079 --> 01:51:33.239 we wrap the sucker up, I'm sad to be leaving nineteen eighty nine. 1485 01:51:33.520 --> 01:51:38.279 I think in my personal life maybe this week I'm going to try to find 1486 01:51:38.279 --> 01:51:41.880 some more movies to watch, to hang around there a little longer. Well 1487 01:51:41.920 --> 01:51:44.800 we can. I'm sure we can find other stuff to commentary track our way 1488 01:51:44.800 --> 01:51:50.279 through. If nothing else, sign me up well with that on behalf of 1489 01:51:50.319 --> 01:51:53.800 my partner Brian Home. My name is Zachie Ason. This has been our 1490 01:51:54.000 --> 01:52:01.239 commentary track for Ghostbusters too. We will catch you next time. Thanks everybody,