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commentary track. My name is Eechie Son. I'm here with Brian Hall.
Hey, how's it going? Zachi? Hey Brian, Just when I thought
it was safe to go back in the wait, No, what's the what's
the what's the catchphrase for this one? Are you gonna call? Hey?
Brian? There's something strange in your Apple podcast app? There you are?
You gonna call? Brian and Zachi? I like that. There you go.
You ran with it, You took the Batona ran with it. Well,
we're here to talk through Ghostbusters too, Yeah, which I am very
excited to do because I think when I watched this for research last night,
that was the second time I've ever seen it all the way through. This
is still ever So this is still kind of a fresh experience for me.
Well, you know, the timing seems apropos. We are mere days away
from from a new Ghostbuster sequel, Frozen Empire. That's right, And this
is the thirty fifth anniversary of the release of Ghostbusters two. Unbelievable. Yeah,
I mean, well, we just recorded the commentary for Leave the Weapon
two. I really do feel like Raycinsella in Field of Dreams when he walks
back and sees the Godfather on the Marquee in the theater and he's walking through
nineteen seventy two. I feel like I've been walking through nineteen eighty nine.
I mean, you know, crazy coincidence. I've sent you a picture of
this or showed it to you actually when you visited. But the movie theater
down the street from me, they were filming something there. We think it
may be Stranger Things. But they changed the Marquee to all nineteen eighty nine
titles. Yeah. Right, So when I drive down the street, I'm
seeing nineteen eighty nine movies. I'm talking nothing being put nineteen eighty nine movies
with you. I I'm kind of loving it. I'm not gonna lie.
I was about to say when we drove by that marquee. I was kind
of like, Brian, just leave me here. I let me live up
my days in front of them. I tell you what. They showed Field
of Dreams at the Regal Cinemas down the street from me last week, and
I went and saw it, and I seriously I felt like I was being
hugged for ninety minutes. I mean it was just I mean the movie itself,
of course, but just it reminded me of being young and watching that
film. And yeah, I mean, come on, I think that when
it comes to my nascent film buff Life, Summer of eighty nine is sort
of like like one of those you know, it's like a touchstone moment one
hundred percent. I mean obviously the top three are you know, Batman eighty
nine, Indiana, Jones in the Last Crusade and Lethal Weapon too. Yeah.
But I mean actually, when this movie ended, Federika and I watched
it together and I was like, honey, can we watch Honey I Shrunk
the Kids next time. I just I just want to keep going on my
walk through nineteen eighty nine. Not a bad neighborhood to walk through at that.
Yeah, yeah, so hey, I'm excited to go through this with
you. Why don't we take a short break and then we will come back
and we will watch Ghostbusters too in nineteen year old. Okay, we are
back and ready to go. I'm cute up, Brian, you cued up?
I am all right. Well, if you want to watch along with
this, you certainly can. We will hit play on three. We'll do
the usual thing, one, two, three play. If you don't want
to watch along, hey, that's fine. We'll try to keep the conversation
as engaging as we can, but we will hit play on three. So
here we go, one to three play. All right, get that old
school Columbia Pictures logo, the one without the a Nette Benning woman. Have
we decided whether that is in fact a Net Benning or is just somebody who
looks like her? Is that? You know? There's a thing that goes
around every now and then online where they show the picture that was used as
the inspiration for that painting, and it does resemble the woman modeling in that
making, So I'm not entirely sure. But so this slim right here,
this nice, nice, nice pink slime. Yes, that is kind of
a subtle nod to the animated series and sort of acknowledging that in the five
years since this movie came out, the Real Ghostbusters cartoon Show had become just
as important a part of this brand as the film that spawned the whole thing.
What do you mean, how does that relate to the I think the
cartoon show had much more colorful and neon slime. Well, I was reading,
Actually, I do love this cold open here basically right where you just
see everyone in a bad mood, just being terrible. Yeah, which,
of course, if you know the plot upon rewatch, it's kind of fun
to see, like, oh, there's this negative energy going around, you
know, the goo rises. I like that. I like that. Going
back to what you're saying, yes, the animated show, So I was
reading a lot about how they did keep the animated show in mind when they
were putting this movie together. I mean you can see it with Janine,
right, I mean Janine, it looks like, yeah, like they they
put Annie Potts through the Animatron and he came out looking like that. Yeah.
Yeah. And also Slimmer, the fact that Slimer pops up in this
film and by implication, he's like living in the firehouse right right, which
because I think my introduction to Ghostbusters was the cartoon, and I thought Slammer
was their pal. And so in the first one, you know, when
he's just this random ghost the encounter who's not friendly, you know, yeah,
and I guess they cuted him up a little bit too. In this
one they did, yeah, yeah, which I mean, And that's the
thing, right, I mean, this movie came out five years later.
I was I was nine going on ten, and I loved the first movie
and I loved the cartoon. So it was kind of interesting because that five
years did not seem as interminable as you think, you know, given five
years, that's like half my life, you know, it's a funny way
putting it. Yeah, right, because the cartoon had always been there,
like these characters were in my life continuously for that for that gap, Well
you kind of answered a question I had for you, because I've said on
here before. I think I saw Ghostbusters once when I was a kid.
I was definitely like liked it as a brand. I liked the cartoon,
but I don't have it, you know, memorized like I would something like
The Goonies or Back to the Future or something, And so I was curious
then by the real quick, real quick, another Mari owned Trainer appearance.
I know. I actually I pointed and called her out last night when we
watched this because I was like, hey, like, she's just like such
a welcome presence in these eighties eighties films. Yep, oh a Robert samchis
at the time, right at the time. Yeah. So between this and
Lethal Weapon Too, she had a pretty good summer in terms of the movies
she got to appear in. Yeah, and then Die Hard of course.
Well, and and oh, by the way, here's Jason rerightman, Yeah,
which I had no idea that was him until about a year or so
ago. And so when he says, my dad says, you guys are
full of crap, that's pretty funny. Yeah, and now he's caring man.
He plays a kid named Jason, so by extension, his dad is
Ivan. Right now. I love this, And sorry, we'll circle back
to what you were saying before. But I love the fact number one,
the fact that the Ghostbusters theme song exists in the world of the Ghostbusters.
That's right, that's right. But also that kids in eighty nine would be
like he man is the most incongress thing about this whole damn movie. Oh,
because it's too late. He Man was by extremely done by eighty nine
rights, so funny Ninja Turtles maybe, yes, this is when I was
into Ninja Turtles. You're right, because then the film is coming out next
year. Yeah. If anything, they should have said Batman. That would
have been kind of funny because Batman and ended up kicking this movie's ass.
I think I read that in one of the other dubs, like in Spanish
or something. It was Batman. Oh really see that that would make more
sense. Yeah, Batman's kind of evergreen. Oh and but actually no,
that's your competition, so maybe they don't want to call out Batman. That's
a good point, right to sha. Yeah, we're talking about the animated
show Winston. The fact that he does not have a mustache is another slight
nod to how Winston looked in the cartoon show. M sorry you were saying
earlier. You know, I was just curious. I mean, being like
a big fan of the first Ghostbusters, I mean, were you chomping at
the bit for this sequel? How did you feel about it when you saw
it? I mean, especially when you were a kid and you maybe a
little more open minded to just being happy to see you know, your favorite
characters back again, versus like scrutinizing the film. So it was definitely the
latter part of what you said. I was. I was happy to see
them back, and I was actually thinking about this before we got on,
like Summer of eighty nine obviously is the Summer of Batman. But I was
not surprised when I saw the trailers for Ghostbusters too, so on some level
I knew it was on the way mm hmm, right, So I knew
it was in the development pipeline. But I definitely remember, like I I
link for Summer of eighty nine, it's it's Batman ind three and Ghostbusters two.
Those are the those are the links for me, because Lethal Weapon I
didn't get into until much later. Sure, you know, so by the
time I got to see it, it was you know, I watched it
via boot like VHS, but it was exactly that. It was. It
was another chance to see my friends. And this this film is much softer
in tone than the first film, you know, which is a little bit
more there, like bad Boys. You know, this man has no dick,
that kind of thing, you know, right right right, and and
a lot of the the the adult humor and Ghostbusters completely missed me until I
got much older. So for me, going back to what I was saying
before, this feels very much of a piece with the animated show. Mm
hmmm. You know. And you know, I had no idea about all
the behind the scenes finagling and how you know, the the lengthy development period
because of like they didn't want to work together and this, like all the
stuff that was going on. Yeah, yeah, you know, it's I
hadn't thought about that. I just take this for what it is, just
because I came to it. So. Oh, by the way, that's
Ivan Raymond's daughter right there, Oh my gosh, that is yeah, that's
Katherine Catherine Catherine right. Yeah. But yeah, this movie does feel a
little more color full, a little more yeah, kid friendly, which is
funny because I always thought of the first one as sort of like a family
film. I mean, maybe because that's the way the video store categorized it.
Sure, yeah, no, it has a little bit of a more
of an edge to it. You're right, yeah, I think that if
you watch them back to back, you're definitely like, well, this one
is obviously not as good as the first one, which was my experience watching
it the first time I've I talked about it on the podcast because I many
many years ago, because I watched one it was on whatever, HBO or
something, and then they were playing two directly after, and I'd never seen
it, so I was like, let's do this. And I couldn't help
but feel like it was a little lesser than than the first one. But
now without that pressure, without watching it back to back, I was like,
Oh, it's just it's just a fun another adventure with these guys.
Yeah, you know, that's exactly this. By the this World is Psychic
scene always cracks me up. His the way he keeps looking at the camera
is so funny, is so funny. Yeah. And by the way,
it didn't even occur to me until the movie was over that I mean,
this guy is almost correct. Yeah, that's right. The world is going
to end on New Year's Eve. I mean I almost thought they could have
shot a little scene of him watching his TV at home, like I knew
it, you know, kind of a thing, really drive it home,
as long as you're going to set it up at the beginning, Like this
guy actually knew what he was talking about. This is Kevin Dunn. By
the way, this actor was a great, great character actor. You know,
he's in like just a ton of things. Yeah. I always think
of him from Transformers the Dad. Oh yeah, he's the dad. That's
right. This okay, So, so the bit with how she's like the
man the alien approached me, took me back to his room at the holiday
and like it totally went over my head when I was a kid, you
know, yes, yes, so funny. And by the way, him
looking at the screen going Valentine's Day is so good. No, I know,
I know this is a little paramas holiday. Well again, what what
makes it work is how both she and Kevin Dune they just play it totally
straight. And so it's just the last I mean just from from from Bankman's
reactions, I know every time he looks at and I just I kind of
like it's funny because I've heard some people be like, oh, I don't
like how this movie undoes you know, like the happy ending of Ghostbuster of
the first film, and I'm like, this is not like Return of the
Jedi or something, you know what i mean, I'm like, it's just
these are these working class guys. Yeah, do you mean by breaking him
and Sigourney Weaver up that and like they're not working as Ghostbusters anymore or whatever,
Like I don't. I never viewed it that way, you know what
I mean, because I'm like, it's still it's like a comedy series.
You know. It is interesting seeing what a calculated script decision it was to
break them up, because I was reading Reitmann or Akroyd or someone saying they
didn't want it to be so relationship focused on them. It's hilarious Peter mcman
saying, like shining esp say something to the audience. But you know they
wanted it to be like, no, these these people are a team,
you know what I mean. Like he's not going to be off with his
wife having their own business with their child. It would feel like two separate,
right, although that is kind of what ends up happening quite a bit,
That's right. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So this, this the
Kurt Fuller character, very much feels like, well, we need like a
Walter Peck type yes, yes, which that I think if there is a
valid critique is that this really does feel like cut and paste of like key
elements of the first movie, like the antagonist. Yeah, not enough to
distinguish it, like I think having certain callbacks I think is fine. But
essentially we have a film where they spend you know, the first whatever it
is, half an hour not operating as Ghostbusters, and then they become Ghostbusters,
and it's sort of it redoes that, you know. Yeah, yeah,
I can see that. It's just funny. I felt like I was
so much harder on it the first time I watched it, and then I
did not feel that way the second time. I just sort of was like,
yeah, I'm glad I get to watch this tonight. It's like a
nice ninety minutes or fine. I think that's that's why it works for me.
That's why I've never had an issue with it. It's because, again,
the camaraderie between the characters is so easy, and it's just without exception.
I laugh every time we have the you know when when when they're drilling
in the street and they're trying to trying to shine on the cops and stuff.
You know, Like, I've seen this movie a million times and it
cracks me up every single time. Yeah. Peter McNichol here, by the
way, as Janosh, I love that as written, he was just like
a normal, normal guy, you know. Yeah, I think his name
is Jason. Yeah. And then he's like, well, I'm just gonna
I'm gonna just do like this this accent when I read and they were like,
yeah, I go with that, and then there you go, yeah,
I love that. Yeah, And he's like one of the best parts
of the movie. He's so funny in this movie. Yeah, I read
that. He he stole the accent from Meryl Streep's character in Sophie's Choice,
which is a choice. I've never seen Sophie's Choice. I know, it's
a very serious film. That's so funny. I wonder if Merrill would be
flattered by that or insulted. I know. I love by the way the
Vigo's head poking out like the sort of CG of nineteen eighty nine of his
head poking out of that painting where it sort of looks like the graphics of
GoldenEye, you know, those like sort of cube cube like face. You
know, they're just I don't even know that that's CG. To be honest,
I think it's that they achieved that practically. It could be it could
be like the Freddy Krueger thing in that Mayne Elm Street where you're put like
it's like a cloth and you're pushing through. I think that's what it is.
Because this was ILM did this, and this was, if not the
last one of the last movies they did that had no digital effect. Interesting,
see this scene right here, This kind of gets to what I'm talking
about. It's it's just them goofing around with each other, and that's fun
to see. Yeah, you know, And and I think you know the
idea that even though though the Ghostbusters are broken up, they still hang out
together, right Like Peter just kind of it showed up here just to just
to screw around with his friends, you know. And I know there's something
about that that appeals to me about this isn't a you know, we have
to get their friendship back together kind of thing, you know, right right?
They can have had like life has set them or forced them to go
different ways in terms of whatever their jobs are these days, but they still
have yeah robbery, Yeah, it's so funny. Does does squeezing one's ears
really elicit confessions? I don't know, I don't know. I know this
movie it feels like a very old school like schoolmaster school marm the kind of
thing, you know, when they're not I haven't done the assignment or something.
So so to your point earlier, Yeah, the initial versions of this
script had Oscar being Peter's son, right, And that was Bill Murray who
said, I don't think it should be Peter's son because okay, right,
and I think because Peter, because Bill Murray said that that would detract from
Peter's relationship with the team, right, And I'm like, man, that's
kind of that's that's a smart call on his part, you know, Yeah,
agreed. I mean that was kind of interesting. I mean, I
feel like they could write a book about the development, production, post production
of this movie because it you watch it and it feels a little scrappy,
but you go with it. But when you read afterwards all that it went
through the test screenings, all the things that were reshot, you can sort
you're like, yeah, no, I guess I did sort of sense that,
but I just sort of glossed over it because I was having fun.
Yeah, but it was a very uh tricky production. It sounds like,
well, well, among other things, I mean, they they had really
no real desire to come back and do another one, and they intended the
first one to just be a one and done, And I was thinking about,
how what a naive time that was, right, you know what I
mean, It's like, now we're done and and essentially, you know,
the five year gap came down to like the studio one studio had didn't want
to do it, and then the next studio had did want to do like
you know this this push and pull, and they had less than a year
to turn this thing around. Isn't that amazing? All that time then all
of a sudden to be under the gun like that. It's it's very similar
to and we'll get there eventually, but lead the Weapon four kind of kind
of the same story with that movie. You know, I thought it was
worth mentioning. But yeah, like the the road to get here was was
tricky at first because the chairman of Columbia Pictures, David Putnam, he didn't
want to make big, blockbustering move He's like this. He wanted to make
smaller, more serious films, So he was resistant to making another Ghostbusters period.
But then he also did you hear about this how he alienated he did
not like Bill Murray? Yeah, yeah, he said, he's an actor
who makes millions of dollars from Hollywood without giving back to his art. He's
a taker. Like even if you're thinking that, just keep that to yourself,
right, I know, what a weird thing to say. So obviously
Bill Murray has no interest in working with this guy, right, But then
at one point he was out and someone else was put in and they're like,
yep, we're doing Ghostbusters too. He was out in very short order,
which not surprising when you say I don't want any Blockbusters, I only
want you know. I mean, it's it's like, well, you have
to have a wide canvas of stuff. But in addition to that, I
mean Bill Murray like took a break after Ghostbusters because between between Ghostbusters and and
They, the only movie he was in was Scrooged. Why is that,
by the way, Well he did he did that. Other there was like
the dramatic movie he did after Ghostbusters. I forget what it's called Mad Dog
can Glory or something. Mmmm? Is that right? No? It was
like a mob movie, right, say, I'm gonna have to look this
up. I thought I remember the title. But anyway, I think he
was disappointed that that movie did not do well. I see, so he's
tried to stretch his wings didn't go very well. He's a little wounded,
I think so, and so he just took a break. So there was
also the sense of like, oh is Bill Murray still a draw? But
I mean in the meanwhile, Scrooge did okay? Is my my recollection anyway?
Sure? Richard Donner going back to the weapon interesting okay. And then
also there was the relationships were a little fraught between the Ghostbusters themselves, the
actors, right, I mean, well, do you know anything about that?
I don't, but I would. I would imagine the Razor's Edge by
the that's the movie Razor's Edge. Yeah, so it's more of like a
dramatic thing, and it didn't perform, and I think he was he was
a little upset by that. I mean, look, Bill Murray is famously
mercurial, and even even after Ghostbusters two, he and Harold Ramis, even
though they worked together on on on Groundhog Day, they had had some kind
of a falling out. Yeah, that was not a happy production, as
I've read. Yeah, so I would imagine. I mean, I think
the connections that these people have is such that they they love hard, but
they probably you know, carry grudges. Too, you know later. Yeah,
it's hard, I would imagine. I don't know, but by all
accounts it was like it was just a matter of putting them all in a
room together and being like, you guys, figure this out. And by
the end they were like, all right, let's make this movie. Yeah
I read that. I think Michael Ovitz the guy who found CAAA, and
he was Bill Murray's agent, and it was basically like we're all getting a
lunch and by the end of the lunch like, okay, we'll do it.
Yeah, and they like Bill Murray wanted ten million up front and the
other so these two were like, well we want ten million too, and
it's like, well if that's like, that's the budget right there? Yeah
yeah, yeah right. So instead they all took less upfront in exchange for
a portion of first dollar gross, and according to Ivan rightman it they were
like, oh it was a ten percent. He's like, it wasn't that,
but it was big. It was a lot. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, which I saw got the budget down to about thirty million whares.
Otherwise it might have been closer to fifty and that's still more than the first
one cost. Oh I'm sure, yeah, yeah, by the way,
it doesn't look really good, Like the first movie always has kind of this
like fuzzy, sort of gauzy look to it. Yeah, but this movie
looks really crisp. Yeah, I wonder why that is. Actually, I've
always been kind of, uh, fascinated by that. You Like. For
example, I watched Off Your Voodoo. I watched Gung Ho for the first
time last week, and I was like, man, this movie looks like
fifty years old, you know, instead of like thirty or whatever it is.
I think I thought it was really close to reaching its potential, but
like there was fun to be had, and I felt like it was heading
in a direction and it felt a little sloppier than I expected. That movie.
It's it's like Michael Keaton is carrying it on his back right, like
one hundred percent. Yeah, and uh, I forget his first name,
but wants an Abe his sort of partner in He's great. He's really good.
Yeah, a lot of a lot of components. I really liked to
it. I kind of wish it had come to a ahead of a little
bit more. I watch it and I'm like, is this racist? You
know? I know, it's one of those things like, yeah, I
know, I probably wouldn't show it to anyone today without the caveats or anything,
but I understand what the film is striving toward. Yeah, I agree
with that allough to his credit. I watched the Ciskel and Ebit review afterwards,
and Ebert was like, I think this is racist back in nineteen eighty
six, but I understand. I really was like, I know what this
movie is trying to do, and I appreciate the message it is striving for.
Wait, so the voice, I had no idea it was Max fun
Max Maxwan said out. No. I leaned over to Federica last night and
was like, I know that voice. Who is that? And I had
to look it up, But yeah, no idea that the voice was dubbed.
Yeah. Apparently the actor who plays Vigo, Wilhelm von Homburg, did
not know that his voice had been dubbed until he watched the movie and he
walked out, well, that's a bummer. He's also, by the way,
he's in he's in Diehart. He's one of Hans Gruber's goons. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, that's right. The previous year. That's right.
So yeah, so this whole bit see with Ray being lowered down into into
the river of slime and everything. I first of all, I like how
this movie feels like a progression of the mythology that the first film established,
and how finding a river of slime underneath New York feels entirely of a piece
with what the first film established of the building. And also, and also
again I'll say, you know, the comic the cartoon show really helped in
that regard, because that show really did build out the mythology. Hmm,
interesting that that show, the animated show. Right, the story editor was
J. Michael Strazinski, who created Babylon five, and so the stories did
have a little bit more sophistication than one would expect from from Saturday Morning Animation.
I was gonna say, I remember the look of it, the aesthetic,
the action figures, but I can't say I really remember the stories very
well. But yeah, that's cool, that's cool. This cracks me up
so much. At the way Bankment, he's just like the consummate bullshit artist,
right, Yeah, the phone lines are over there and he doesn't skip
a beat. And then again it's like, oh we talked to content and
the phone company. I got a major guess sleeker like he just doesn't he
just shifts right away, you know. Yeah, I mean that's a lot's
kind of I got no. I mean just it's the camaraderie and and and
the yeah uh, it's this perfect mix of humor and thrills that I think
makes these movies work one hundred percent. I was just gonna say, everything
about this scene is kind of what I love about this the potential of Ghostbusters
is what I want from it, which is three guys having to stall cops,
you know, from digging a hole, you know, over like a
like a abandoned train tunnel and a guide taking samples of you know, plasma
goo like you know, that's just the fun of this. That's that's the
funn you get to have with Ghostbusters. Yeah. And I think, you
know, if there was one change I would have made is I think it's
a shame that Winston is not involved in these early goings, you know,
other than the scene in the beginning with Ray at the birthday party, he's
not in the mix. And right, yeah, I one, one hundred
percent agree. I mean, his his involvement in the first one and obviously
is kind of minimal because he's supposed to be the man on the street who
joins into the wackiness I suppose, But in this one, I am confused
why he sort of just pops in and out of the misadventures. Yeah,
like, think about it. We see at the start of the film,
we see that Egon is working at the university, Ray is at the bookstore,
and Peter is doing the TV show. Where's Winston? What's he doing?
Yeah, like the film didn't even deem his current status worth telling us.
Yeah, and why isn't he here helping them? Well, so then
he's missing from the courtroom scene because the courtroom scene is exactly he shows up
at the very beginning. He shows up at the very beginning to be like,
hey, man, I hope you guys are okay. Well, when
is he not sitting and watching the trial? Like wouldn't he help them?
You know? Right? It's just he never feels like it never feels like
a four person team. It always feels like three person team and Winston and
I don't know why. Yeah, Like I think we get there by the
end and at least at least by the middle, you know, when the
Ghostbusters are a team again. But he, I see, no reason why
he shouldn't be part of all this stuff in the beginning. Agreed. Yeah,
Harris Yuleen is so funny as Jodge Wexler. Yeah, he's great.
It was bothering me last night. His face was so familiar. Oh he's
another hey that guy. Yeah, he's kind of about ten episodes of twenty
four. I figured that was probabably twenty four he was. He's in he's
in clear and present danger. He's a terrific actor. He's actually he's in
an episode of Deep Space nine called Duet where it's like some of the best
acting he's ever done, just terrific. But he's hilarious in this. Rick
moranis Rick moranis It doesn't it feel like like whenever we get to see him
in in a movie, in an old it's like it's like water in a
desert. You're like, oh, it's so precious, let's cherish this,
you know, I know, And he's so good, he's so goodness,
he's so fun see this this. It definitely feels like they were like,
we need to figure out a way to bring Lewis in these people, and
I think they found the perfect way to incorporate him agreed. Agreed because it
sounds like a lot of his scenes were cut from this movie because he was
supposed to basically be hunting Slimmer, Yeah, for a lot of the movie,
and because they thought that's what the kids would want, right based on
the popularity of the cartoon show, and then after testing it they realized it
felt like a distraction to I guess Evan Wrightman was like, I was surprised,
so we cut it. Yeah, Yeah, it's great Lewis short but
pointless. Yeah. I love the look on the judge's face when Lewis finishes
his opening, He's like, what was that? See this? I have
to say I love this whole courtroom scene. I think it's I think it's
very well done. I think just in terms of establishing, oh the slime
response to emotion, but also just sort of giving them all business. I
think the bit where Vankman is being you know, a question on the stand
is just priceless. It's so funny. Yeah, you know, I have
to admit this was one of the scenes I just didn't get when I watched
it the first time, because I thought, how does everyone not remember what
these guys did? They saved New York like The Ghostbusters. One ends with
New York cheering in the streets for the Ghostbusters. Right, but yeah,
you know, I guess now these days I can imagine some people just well
I wasn't there. I didn't see it with my own eyes. So there
are many people who are skeptical of what they did. And this trial is
also related to the fact that they are not allowed to work right as paranormal
or as investigators. And they were out there drilling a hole in the street
without any permission. So that's right, that was something I wasn't thinking about
the first time. I just I couldn't get over the fact that people did
know what they did five years ago. Well, I guess in the world
of Ghostbusters, they do have the theme music, but they don't have the
animated show to remind people what they're doing. So that's what they do have
the song. Though, You're right, they must think that those people are
conspiracy quacks, the people who are all into the They even wrote him a
damn song. Yeah, but his whole business where he's feeding what he wants
Lewis to say, it is a nicolated is what what you know? You
realize how how much like how essential Bill Murray was to making a sequel like
the That was the issue that held up making another one for so long,
because it's because he was adamant about not wanting to do one, and there
was the general consensus that, well, if there's no Venkman, there's no
movie. Yeah, yeah, sure, And you see that definitely in in
this what we're seeing, right, it's like you got to have him.
He's the center that it sort of all revolves around, you know, m
I remember that was in all the TV spots who Are you Gonna Call?
You know, I really do love It's not a flashy looking movie, but
it's just beautiful widescreen composition, isn't it. Yeah, the way that they
frame all, you know, I mean having a team of four of course
you want right there, you know what I mean? Like, it's just
I really love the composition in this movie. See what was the aspect ratio
different in the first one. That's like I want to pull that up and
compare. I'm almost certain it's two thirty five at least, if not two
thirty nine or something, If that makes sense. So here you go.
But no, what you were saying is definitely true that that this one the
and I'm watching a four K copy right now, but I mean it looks
substantially better than the four K of the first film. And I just want
wonder why that is, like film stocked or something. Choices, lighting choices,
you know. I marvel when I look at Back to the Future.
I mean that movie looks like it was shot yesterday, the way they preserved
that film, you know, but without going overboard and making everything look waxy.
Yep. So again I mentioned, you know, all the all the
special effects to or by ILM. So they had a busy summer because they
did the effects for this and Back to the Future and yeah part two in
India in Indiana Jones Back to the Future too and Indiana Jones. So yep,
kept kept busy. Yeah, crazy the ABYSS. I was reading about
everything they were working on, and it got to the point where this movie
kept changing, and so they kept coming to ILM like we need this,
we need this, And at some point they're like, we're done, Like
we can't do anything additional. Whatever you've assigned us, we will do.
And they even had to farm out work. But they're like no more,
like we can't, we can't do anything new you have to stop give us
new stuff so crazy. Yeah, this right here, by this is so
funny, and you don't want us exposing ourselves. Yeah, you know,
ILM did the effects for most of the Star Trek movies, so, two,
three, and four, and then when it came time for Part five,
which was the same summer, they were like, dude, you can
get our c team or whatever. You know, you're right right, and
so they ended up not doing the effects for that movie, which is why
it's it has pretty lousy special effects. Although you know what's funny is nineteen
eighty nine was up until then the most sequels ever released in a year,
which just feels quaint by comparison. Okay, yeah, it feels cute,
but I see it. It's true. Yep. Oh wait, hold on,
we got we got to acknowledge one of the best jokes of all time.
Oh hey, he gone. I love to look. That's great.
I love this practical stuff though here right, like the chairs popping up,
Well, this whole sequence is done very well. Just all the ways in
which it's executed, I mean, the incorporation of the ghost projections and just
how they I mean, those are puppets with people in there, and I
mean it looks like c G I you know, it looks great. Yeah.
I love the puppet look of the ghost too. It's kind of fun.
It's like scary cartoon or something. Yep, exactly. But again,
what we were saying earlier, how is Winston not here in the court.
It doesn't make any sense to me because we know he was there. He
was there at the top of the scene. I know, well, like
why not, Yeah, where'd he go? Where'd you go? Right?
So so that that irks me. I will say, agreed, I have
to call out this, this Winston erasure. Sorry, thank you. See
finished my thought. Well, I was gonna say, uh, the Scalari
brothers, the ghosts that they're busting here, they're based on real criminals.
Yeah, did you know that they're based The Scalaries were robbers in the Chicago
area who once robbed Harold Remis's father. Get out of here. Yeah.
They were captured as fugitives in Kansas City, extradited back to Chicago to stand
trial for multiple charges. Eventually, they were convicted of multiple robberies and murder,
and they were executed in the electric chair. Get out of here?
Wow? Yeah, that makes it feel even weirder that they made him look
like the Blues Brothers. Yeah, I know ahead what I was gonna say,
did you see you know how now movie theaters are doing these elaborate popcorn
buckets. Obviously we have the Dune one. Oh yeah, they have like
a trap one. Yeah, they have a ghost and I was like,
that looks cooler than any like toy ghost trap I've seen in a store.
I had the same thought, Right, it's a savvy way for the theaters
to generate more income. Hey, why not. They gotta make whatever money
they can. Yeah. So yeah, Anie Pots, I mean she looks
nothing like she does in the first movie. Yeah, she just looks like
a woman from nineteen eighty four in the first one. But in this she
has that sort of I don't know what you call, like sexy redhead bob
thing the glasses and it's it's looks like Janine from the cartoon, that's right.
Yeah. So uh oh. And by the way, here's the the
remix of the Ghosts just theme by Run dmc and Ray Parker Junior, right,
which, like, to me, that's kind of the interesting thing is
like I sort of situate this as you know, like you watch it and
you watched the first Ghostbust, She's like, this is a nineteen eighty four
movie, and you watch this, You're like, this is a nineteen eighty
nine slash ninety movie. Like the music just locks it in one. Yeah,
you know. I really like this this montage though, of all all
of their stuff, because I'm kind of like, hey, it's like now
they're back, you know whatever. Okay, so they weren't doing it for
five years. They're just they just went right back into it without skipping a
beat, you know. You know, if just again for the thing that
tripped me up on the first viewing, I think I might have had some
people on the news be like I told you they were real, you know,
or something like that. Ye, It's like, no, I agree,
there are the people that were skeptical. That's how you could get a
judge who doesn't believe them. But you know, I I saw what I
saw and we need them now more than ever or something. You know.
So this bit right here real quick where where the echo is driving radically and
Bankmin kinds like, what's going on? This is? That's from supposed to
be from later in the movie where Ray has been possessed by Vigo. Yeah,
and they just cut out most of that plot, but they just put
that in. They dropped that into this montage. I thought that was interesting.
I mean, that's like in the first one also, right, the
montage is filled with sequences that were full scenes, like the jogger, the
ghost jogger at Central Park. That was a full scene. But they just
and I think it works for the most part the way it is. No,
I agree. Yeah, this is the Ecto one A by the way,
which I love. It's like another toy to sell, you know,
Oh, that's funny. What are the differences? I guess the major difference
is this one has like the electric electronic letter thing on top. That's the
only thing. Yeah, it's got different stickers on it, you know,
decos whatever, different stickers. This scene is very funny to me. Yeah,
I just love I don't know what I would use to describe this,
but I just think there's something so fun and playful. I guess about the
concept of you know, the supernatural whatever it is antagonism in this movie,
like having this goo that basically reacts when you get angry, right, and
putting it underneath New York City and the city has been you know, is
angrier than ever. And I just something about that just feels so fun and
delightful, you know. Yeah. Well, and I think that gets to
you know, the story by by Ramis and Akroyd, which is kind of
to get to that idea of like the you know, the way Harold Ramis
said, like the essentially the movie is like, look, you got to
be good to each other for forty eight hours, you know, and ask
people in New York to be nice. Yeah. Yeah, it's fun,
not a bad hook. You know. Well, when I saw the Frozen
you know, Ghostbusters Frozen Empire trailer, and the whole concept, as far
as I can tell, is you know, people being frozen by fear,
I was like, even that feels on brand, you know, like that
sort of concept feels related to something like this, And I like that.
Yeah, so what's implied here? Zachy sleeping with the slime. It's funny.
Actually, Frederica slowly turned her head at me and was like, what,
it's hilarious. So about a month ago, I was at Target and
and as is my wont I went over to the toy section. I was
kind of seeing what new stuff they and they had these like retro real Ghostbusters
figures from the old cartoon show that they've re released, so it's cool,
like like complete replicas, beautiful, you know. And I was like,
oh, man, you know, and I'm holding him, I'm like,
man, should I? Should I get these? And then on the pa
my hand to God, this song starts playing at that exact moment. Yeah,
so I was like, well, clearly I meant to get this.
Clearly God wants me to have these action figures. It was literally like should
I? And then right then the song starts playing. I love that is
even now Ever, here's Winston. Yeah, I know. That's what I'm
saying, right, It's like he waited for them to get their shit together.
Basically. Yeah. It makes me wonder there was a lot of editorial
fanangling with this movie and reshootings and deleted scenes, and I do wonder if
some sort of explanation might have accidentally been cut out. I mean, real
quick, this is so funny. This It's like, oh, what is
like my favorite show? What was your other favorite? Past Masters? And
then the way he just backs away from him slowly, Yeah, yeah,
I know, bast Masters, bast Masters. It's fishing show. Yeah,
I know, I definitely feel like Winston unfairly got the chop, you know,
Yeah, what I was gonna say, because again, you feel a
little bit of the gaps in certain sort of ways that things play out,
Like at the end with Lewis where he's like, I'm finally a Ghostbuster,
Like that feels like we were missing a little bit of the lead up to
that, which is those deleted scenes of him trying to prove he can be
a Ghostbuster by capture slimer, but all that was cut out. That's a
great point, yeah, because certainly for me, I mean I've watched this
movie for thirty five years and I just roll with it, like okay,
you know, but there isn't a real sense that that's what he wants.
Mm hmm, you know, yeah. It almost feels just like an excuse
for another action figure at the end, I'm a Ghostbuster too. You know.
It was funny because after this movie came out, you know, the
animated show last for another year or two after this movie, so it wasn't
like this signal that the total end of the franchise initially, but they they
changed, they updated Janine's design to look even more like she does in this
movie. And then they added Lewis Tully to the cast of the of the
animated show. Oh funny, after this movie, after this movie. Yeah
hm, Now this painting wasn't actually a painting, right, It was a
picture that was then doctored, I think, to look like a painting.
That's what I read. Yeah, I've seen. I've seen it on Reddit.
It comes up every now and then the photo shoot for this and it's
it's kind of fascinating. I think. I think if there is a problem
for me with the construction of the Nemesis is that Vigo is no gozer.
I think I think that's kind of right. It's harder to fully grasp what
what his deal is and how he's connected to the river of Slime. Mm
hm, So you know what I mean, Like the whole thing about oh
the slime and it's amplifying bad moods whatever, But like, how tell us
how, how what does Vigo have to do with that articulate that. You
know, It's funny you say that because there's a whole article I read about
the test screening of this movie, and Rightman talks about that. I guess
test audiences weren't sure how Vigo, the slime, all the ghosts were connected.
So they this what we're watching now is their attempt to connect them more
than they were with the first pass of the film, which is fascinating to
me. I mean, you tell me, do you are you able to?
I mean we we kind of go with that. You roll with it.
You're like, okay, so something something, He's doing something right,
Yeah, I mean, it would make sense to me that all the negativity
in New York has created this goo, right, and then maybe the gou
is then unleashing forces that were dormant or something like the meaning like, maybe
there's some sort of evil that's been imprinted on that picture. But because of
this goo supernatural gou like it's been awoken. I mean, I don't know.
Maybe that's what happens. I'm not sure. Like the picture is from
Carpathia, so it ended up in New York. The river the pneumatic system
goes back, however many years, So how is that connected to the paint
thing? You know, I'm sure it's all articulated in the movie, but
I'm struggling to put those connections together, you know, yeah, yeah,
Sam, But it's interesting. I know real quick. I just I wanted
to say, like the I think bringing Dana back. I actually like that
they didn't just leave that plot thread, you know, like, oh,
he dated Dana five years ago and now she's not part of it. I'm
glad she's in this one. Yeah, it seems like the go to in
this era was well, she couldn't handle it or she left me right exactly,
Yeah, like Vicky Vale and yeah, you know what I mean,
Indiana Jones. Yep. I was gonna say, it's interesting you talk about
the tube underground with the train and the goo and everything, And I guess
in the first draft of the script there was always the thought of a tube,
which was the original first idea that Dan Aykroyd had was he wanted Dana
kidnapped and taken to Scotland. Yeah, he discovers a faery ring and an
underground civilization and the Ghostbusters would have to travel through an underground pneumatic tube that
was over two thousand miles long. And don't you just love how batshit crazy
dan Akhroyd's ideas are, like, I honestly, yes I do. I
love it right because I mean, famously, the first Ghostbusters goes for it.
Yeah, it wasn't going to be in New York in modern times and
going into libraries and fighting ghosts librarians. Right, it was like a crazy
future Blade Runner world, you know, where there were many many ghostbus It
was like way way out there. And I love that. I love that
about him, Like he can throw everything at the wall and then you bring
in Harold Remis or someone to like turn it into something a little bit more
accessible, And I think that's a good pairing. Right, I agree,
get the wild ideas and whittle them down. And even he admitted that the
whole fairy Ring and underground civilization, he said, was too far out,
too inaccessible, Yeah, which I would agree with that. Yeah, I'm
Joe Namath. It makes me think of a vapor lock. You have to
explain that people are gonna be like, what are you saying? Yeah?
So so on screen, Uh, Peter is giving the baby a Joe Namath
jersey, a real Joe Namath jersey to use, like to swaddle the baby.
And Joe Namath guested on the Simpsons and basically had his car break down
and he was gonna give advice. Who is it to I can't remember.
It was it to Bart to Bart, Yeah, he's gonna give advice to
Bart. But then his car that's broken down gets fixed, and it was
just vapor lock. It's it's the It's the football episode where Homer wants Bart
to be the quarterback. That's right. He's like, just remember this one
thing. But then yeah, the car gets fixed. It's vapor lock.
Leaves does get to say, and the only thing Bart can remember is just
remember this one thing, vapor lock. I realized that still probably didn't make
any sense, but yeah, no, I got you. But no,
even Bill Murray said that when they all signed on to make this movie,
it was with a different script. So it really does sound like this thing
was, you know, in constant flux. But I should say I I
said this to all my kids at some point or another when they were little.
Your short billy button sticks out too far and you're a terrible burden on
your poor mother. That's hilarious. I was just watching this with thumbsay yesterday.
I was like, yep, I said that to you when you're just
a little teeny tiny. So this here like they they've grown up with them.
That's as you know, I mean I mean hums as you know,
seventeen now. And I remember when he was like two or three and he
started crying at the end of this one is one part where it gets scary
with the baby and I happened to get up and because I got a phone
call and he just started crying and run out of the room. I'll point
out the moment that happened. Yeah, but I love the info dump about
Vigo, Like it's if you're not paying attention, you're almost not gonna get
it. You know, all the stuff about Vigo, how he was shot
and stabbed and quartered and whatever. And if I had a nickel for every
time I've said death is but a doorway, time is but a window,
I'll be back boy. Usually, usually on the last day of class,
I tell my students that that's hilarious, this whole thing where Venkman is taking
pictures of Vigo and he's acting like a like a fashion photographer, so funny.
Yeah, yeah, I was thinking that's pre Austin Powers. I mean,
I think of Austin Powers when I think of that joke. Yeah,
yeah, that's right. You're a tiger. You're a tiger. No,
yes, yes, you know kind of a thing. Ye know. The
girls like you, guys, but they both like you, the animals like
and I love By the end, I mean, he's only like a foot
and a half away from the picture, just snapping yes. Yes, So
we see it here where Ray is kind of like getting possessed by Vigo,
and I guess that was meant to be much more of a plot point throughout
the movie, and for whatever reason, they just other than this, and
then at the end, which kind of comes out of nowhere, they just
chopped it out. Yeah, which I can see being a valid happening,
you know, a mystery throughout the film. But at the same time,
I can't say you miss it. You know, the movie does flow at
a nice pace, and maybe you can understand why they lost it. Yeah,
I mean I think the question is like, is it something specific about
Ray or is it anybody who happens to look at the look into the picture
eyes, you know, m yeah, but yeah, a lot a lot
of ideas thrown at the wall, and it feels like they just sort of
shot them all and added some more later after test screenings, and just but
I feel like so yes, like I was saying, after learning all of
that, looking back on the film, I can see how scrappy it kind
of is. When you're watching it, it's just it's an enjoyable hour and
a half. That's That's kind of the thing is is like we were saying,
I mean, I mean, that summer you had, you had,
you had Ghostbusters two, you had Star Trek five, Indiana Jones three,
Leath the Weapon two, right, and then and then of course Back to
the Future two is later that year. So that's like five sequels, right,
which which again think about how like back then it's like, oh my
god, five sequels in a year. Nowadays it's like five sequels in a
month. I know, I know well, and I sent you this meme
where it was basically, h Doctor Manhattan, Right, we're experiencing them all
at once, and he's like, it's nineteen eighty four, I'm going to
the theater to see Dune and Ghostbusters. It's twenty twenty one. I'm going
to see Dune and Ghostbusters. It's twenty twenty four. I'm going to see
Dune and Ghostbusters. Time is a flat circle. Yeah, yeah, I
mean, it's not surprising to us anymore. You know, I couldn't help
but think when I was watching this last night, having her wet and a
towel is a choice. That's interesting, right, I was sort of like,
huh, I wonder why, Like, I mean, it just just
to add a little bit of sex appeal to this movie. That's a good
question. I don't know. It just sort of stood out to me a
little bit. And I'm not saying anything nefarious. I just stood out to
me, and I was like, it's a choice, and like maybe they're
like, we gotta get some shoulder, some shoulder in this movie. I
don't know. I mean, it's it's something that at this stage of her
career, Sigourney Weaver didn't didn't have to do it if she didn't want to.
So maybe she she she saw something appealing about about having Dana be a
little bit more vulnerable. I think I think Dana is kind of a different
character for Sigourney Weaver. There's also that you know, she's she so otherwise
plays these kind of tough as nails characters totally, you know. Yeah,
that's a good point. Yeah, you're right, Like, I think I
think the pairing of Dana and Peter is a good one, right, because
she kind of she gives as good as she gets, right, she doesn't.
She doesn't put up with this crap. Mm hmm, you know what
I mean, like like it? She it's he's kind of has this front,
but that's she. She's attracted to the the vulnerable guy underneath. Mm
hmm. That makes for interesting chemistry, you know. Yeah, I agree.
So, yeah, this another pairing. I was about to say,
speaking of pairings, this one kind of felt out of the blue because the
first movie implies that she has kind of a crush on Egon and that was
definitely something that the cartoon ran with. So but it's sweet. I like
it. I think it's very sweet. Yeah, yeah, no, I
like it. Lewis is such a dork like you, so bad for him.
It's a big summer for Rick Moranis. He also had Honey I Shrunk
the Kids. Yeah that's right. Yeah, that was in ten Box Office
Grocers of nineteen eighty nine, number eight. I need to revisit that one.
Yeah, me too, I mean immediately, I he made me think
of it last night, and thinking of nineteen eighty nine, I was like,
I'm gonna hoose it again. Yeah. By the way, this was
something that was added after a test screening because this scene. Yeah, they
thought that I guess the movie was focusing too much on the relationship between Bill
Murray and Sigourney Weaver, and so they needed some more flashy scenes, increasing
the urgency, and so this was one of them. Well, okay,
so number one, you establish like you have the picture of the river of
slime in the in the in the or the river of slime is in the
picture, and that kind of establishes the connection. But beyond that, just
the sort of the every day like drudgery of like what do you want to
eat? How about this? How about you know? That's what I really
like is there's sort of a matter of factness about the Ghostbusters job. Yeah,
yeah, sure, sure, you know. That's a good point.
I mean they could just be yes, it's just a blue collar job that
happens back to have a supernatural to it. Well, at least Winston gets
this hero moment like that. Yeah. Yeah, like a bad point.
Why wasn't he in there in the first place? He is out of the
room just for Winston. Yeah. There were some more things that were shot
to spice up the film. I'll point them out later, see, but
yeah, here you have them going off on their romantic business. You can
kind of you can see that, you know where it's like if you didn't
have that, well, all right, I'll just say it now. Basically,
the underground ghost train sequence with Winston and the severed heads, yes,
was all added. And that's another sequence I really like. So I'm glad
they added that me too. I love the ghost train thing. That is
so cool. Yeah, but yeah, I mean you can imagine without that,
without the flaming pictures we just saw, and then you just cut straight
to you know, Peter and Dana going out to dinner. It's like,
okay, like, you know, you want to see a little bit more
super natural rasmataz little little uh. You want some bust in to make you
feel good? Exactly, I get it. That's all I'm saying. You
know, one thing that I remember as a kid, I was even as
a kid, I suppose I was like, why'd they change their symbol?
Like that never made sense to me. I thought that last night. I
was like, why and why is it making a two? Well? I
see it as he's doing like the V for victory or like a peace sign.
I think that's fair, but but that's expensive, you know, like
yeah, it's not like they're flushed with cash, you know. Yeah,
yeah, they got to change all their And it's funny because because you know,
you know, none of the other branded merch bothered going along with that,
because I think it was like, no, this original symbol is what's
worth a lot of money, you know. I yeah, it makes sense.
But you can imagine, yeah, you want to come up with things
to sell with or in the logic of the universe, they brought in a
brand manager. You know, it's like read something strong, something that like
it's to your point, expresses victory. Well, actually, you know,
it's funny, we're talking about the merch. That's actually one of the reason
that they called the car Ecto one A in this and not Ecdo two is
because in the cartoon there was an Ecto two, which is like a portable
helicopter thing. And so again they you know, the producer said, they
made an active effort to not contradict the cartoon if they could avoid it.
You know, that's isn't it funny? You can imagine nowadays a movie being
like, screw the cartoon, we're the thing, you know. But I
kind of love the synergy that they were trying to respect. Yeah, and
it's a it was a smart thing because I I would say, certainly now
this many decades later, the fandom for Ghostbusters is at least as much from
the cartoon shows and anything else, you know. Yeah, and that was
the thing too, right, I Mean it felt like for many years something
that we loved, the brand, we loved as kids the movies were like,
Wow, whatever, who cares about that thing. We're gonna make our
own thing and we'll come up with our own rules and new characters. And
as kids we're always like no, Like, we're the ones who are going
to be begging your parents to buy the videotapes and the toys and the whatever,
like, give us what we want. And so I think it's really
savvy for them then to respect the youthful audience they know they gained through the
cartoon. Yeah. I do love this. I just love the concept of
a ghost train. I don't know why. It's it's very spielbergy. It
feels like something out of Amazing Stories or something. Yes, that's what you're
hip screaming, so funny. Yeah, it's great. See I'm telling of
Brian, I'm I'm team Winston. Anytime he gets to do stuff, it
makes me happy because I just feel like he gets ignored a little too much.
You know. Yeah, I'm thrilled. I got to meet him actually
when he did a voice for Puppy Dog Pals. Yeah, you had mentioned
that, that's right. I got to go to the records and he was
very cool. I can't remember if I said that I had ordered an autographed
picture from him, like from his website. This is like a while,
I don't know if he still offers that. And his wife emailed me and
she's like, you know, Ernie, Ernie's out of town right now,
but I just wanted to let you know that I received your order, and
you know, it's like so sweet. I was like, it's like really
nice. You know, I love that. Doesn't he live in Minnesota?
I don't know, but that that seems like it would be the where to
be, right, Like, I love that idea. And then him just
be like, well, I got to make another movie back in bags.
You know, he's a regular on the Quantum Leap Show right now. Oh
that's right. I did know that. Yeah, so that's interesting. It
would have otherwise than just cut to this. But I love the spookiness along
the way. You know, there's there's some forces acting against them. It
seems right well, and we talked past it. But I love the thing
where they're like, where's Ray Ray Ray? Guys too. This cracks me
up where Winston gets pulled in and then you get this kind of long shot
of him just screaming as he's just being pulled down the river. Yeah.
Yeah, I was reading with the compositing they had to hand animate him bobbing
along. I thought that was that's ridiculous. Yeah. I gotta be honest,
Brian, if it's you and me down there, you get pulled into
the river, I turn around and I go home and I go to bed
again. You know what, I love you, man, you know what,
I wouldn't hold it against you. I don't know what that's stuff wide
to you. Yeah, kids, man. So I wanted to mention the
music in this movie. If there is one thing that I'm not crazy about,
it is the score by Randy Edelman, who I otherwise like. Can
I be honest, I didn't even really notice it. Well that's a problem,
right, Yeah, Yeah, what's it likes? How's it different than
the first one? Well, I think what what Elmer Bernstein did with the
first film is he found that this perfect mix between comedy and adventure, and
he found a way to merge those two. And there's certain thematic motifs that
he brings back, but in different ways, you know, dun dun dun,
dun dun duh, you know, and you hear different versions of that
throughout and and he when it came time to do this, they offered it
to him and he was like, I'm done with comedies, and he went
off and did my left foot. So I think he's all, yeah,
I think he for his for himself, he made the right choice. But
I think I think Randy Edelman, I don't think he found the right lane
to occupy. And so the music is either it's it's either distracting or unremarkable.
Hmm. Man, I it's nuts because normally I do listen to the
score, but I I honestly don't remember it. I was noticing all the
sort of late eighties pop songs, you know, no, a lot of
those. Yeah. Yeah, you think after the Ghostbuster song was such a
big hit in the first film, they're like, okay, you know,
yeah, let's let's load this up. Yeah, well, and and the
Bobby Brown song did chart, but that too got got its ass kicked by
by Batman because of bat Dance side Friends. Yeah, yeah, that was
so they really vamped up Janine and between movies. Yeah yeah, no,
she's just kind of wearing like sweaters and jeans in the first one and here
right, Yeah, yeah, I'm sure it was more fun to play.
Yeah, it's a good point. Do you remember it's so funny. I
think I said this at the exact same moment last night with Federica. But
do you remember that slime that used to come as a toy in Cereal?
You know, you get that little plastic No, no, not Cereal.
It was like at the grocery store there'd be like quarter in turn at the
checkout laying and stuff. Yeah. I used to love that stuff. And
I don't even know why, you know, but this the goole over their
heads remains me of it. It was like this type of color, you
know exactly. Yeah, it was like green or something whatever happened to those
those quarter machines those yeah, you know, I don't know, you get
like it was like it was like different things. There was like little plastic
like a container and it would have like little wrestler guys in them or whatever,
you know what I'm talking right exactly, or bouncy balls or fake tattoos.
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, man, I me
too. I guess nobody has quarters anymore. You know, we just have
Apple and we need Apple pay for those things that would be hilarious. This
is so funny of the Red Long John's. I know, it's like it's
like it's like from a nineteen thirties cartoon. Yeah, by the way,
we have to call it that couple. The woman who gets the slime all
over her? Do you recognize her? I have we have we gotten there
yet? Uh no? But the blonde woman hubbubbing in the background right there.
Yes, she popped out to me last night and I didn't know why.
And it ends up that's my Michael Ovitz's wife, Judy Ovitz, who
is in Back to the Future too, and she's theman who sells the sports
almanac to Marty. Wow. Okay, yeah, I was like, I
don't know something about her. And then her date there is played by a
gentleman named Pete Mosen who was a Ghostbuster super fan and he did a lot
of promotional stuff for the Ghostbusters built in Ecto one Replicah. Yeah, so
they put him in the film. Hey good, that's great. Yeah,
this is in the eighties when building your own ecdo one like that's that's a
lot harder than it is now. Oh yeah, I mean now there's you
know, Instagram pages dedicated to DeLorean time machine replicas. And there's Bobby Brown
by the way. Yeah, yeah, right, right. I gotta say
I like his song. It's a pretty catchy song. Yeah, it's good.
I pulled up the video, the music video for his his song it's
called On Her Own, and it's like, god, you know how the
Ray Parker video for the first one has all these cameos. This one does
too, where it's like Donald Trump and Christopher Eve and like all these people
that are in the video little time capsules. You have the nineteen eighty four
Chevy Chase and all those people, right, and then Danny de Vito.
Yeah, speaking of Danny de Vito, I think I think Rightman's next movie
after this was Twins if I'm not mistaken, Oh wow, yeah, and
then Kindergarten Cop and he had like a terror there. Yeah, that's right.
We should say the late Ivan, rightman, we haven't mentioned that between
the last movie and this one he passed away, right, which still it
feels weird to me because he even while promoting you know, Ghostbusters After Life,
he seemed relatively youthful, you know. Yeah, yeah, I agree
that news. That news came very suddenly. It felt like for me,
yeah yeah, and he when he was still working on stuff, right to
look it up, but yeah, I feel like he did that movie my
super ex girlfriend that was him. Yeah. Yeah. Dave Margley has also
passed away. I'm glad they brought him back as the mayor. Yeah.
See, I love the you know where the first movie leaves the mayor with
the Ghostbusters. He's on their side, and then just sort of sheer political
calculation, craven political calculation made him cut bait with them, you know,
right right a weasel? See And again, I mean, is it really
missing from the movie. I don't know, But I wouldn't mind a little
world building here about what New York City thinks about the Ghostbusters, how people
are divided on him, like, weren't you once on their side? It's
like, well, you know, you know, I like it'd be interesting
to me. I guess as a as a grown up to under stand out
a little bit better. Yeah, yeah, English doc see. But when
you think about it, I mean this scene is very similar to the scene
in the Mayor's office in the first one, and so I mean I think
I think that's sort of what you see a lot of is like, Okay,
we have that scene. Now we gotta do this. We got we
have that, we gotta do this, and yeah, it feels like a
straight jacket on some level. Interesting. Yeah, which is ironic because they're
about to be in straight jackets. So that's right, that's right. But
I love this here where the Mayor's like, what do you want me to
do? Tell everybody they have to be nice? You know, treating people
like dirt does every New Yorker is god given? Right? Doesn't that feel
like a like an eighties nineties sort of like it really does New York,
you know, where everybody hates you or something. Has that been your experience?
You've been to New York a fair amount, Yeah, not at all.
No, I mean I mean it's like any city, you know,
it's like any city exactly. Yeah, I mean they're a little more I
would say, head down direct. Sure, sure, Los Angeles is a
little more sunny, I suppose, but you know, not this rude New
Yorker stereotype. But that definitely that was enough of a stereotype that when I
watched this movie at age ten, I was like, yeah, that's you
know, like that felt familiar to me. Oh totally yeah. And it
works for the comedy of this film, you know, I mean right down
to the plot of too much of it has generated this evil beneath the city.
Brian Doyle Murray. Brian Doyle Murray is about to say, yeah,
he's just shorthand isn't he just his his face, you know, just he
is a Brian Doyle Murray type, right, you know exactly, Okay,
I got it. I know what that guy is. Right. This is
the same year as a National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation also where he plays Chevy Chase's
boss. Wow. That was that? That was that was Christmas of this
year. I'm asuming eighty nine. Yeah, wow, that year was stacked.
That year was stacked. So Max one sit out. Didn't we just
see him in something? What are we just? Oh Dune, we just
watched and I oh the yeah, the old one. Yeah. Yeah,
yeah, And and you just saw him in Judge Dread that's right. Yes,
Wow, it's a it's a sit on his sance for me. Yeah.
Yeah. He does have a very distinctive voice, like I'm I was
kicking my own ass for not being like like, of course that's max Wan
said out, like how did I not? You know, no, I
couldn't play it. I was thinking like Christopher Lee or something in that sort
of ballpark. But yeah, no, now it's obvious. Yeah. Like
again, I have to say, like I just roll with the whole Vego
plot because it's just you know, you get it. It's just a thing
that the Ghostbusters have to defeat. But I don't. It doesn't hold together
as well as the goes Er scheme, you know, like what Goesers trying
to do and everything. No, it's so funny because I mean again,
it's one of those things where I can imagine, like a scene to sense
it all together would be nice. But on the other hand, I'm like
evil painting bad goo. Yeah that's fine, or this even you know,
like Okay, he needs a baby, we got a baby. I know
he's gonna although when he steps out of the painting and he's an actual physical
threat. At the end, I was like, do you need the baby?
Right? That's a good points baby. By the way, speaking of
the baby, who are looking at an on screen two twins? Yep,
the Deutschendorf's I guess, William and Henry. And they are the nephews of
John Denver. Wow, yeah, whose real name? John Denver's real name
was Henry Deutschendorf. The second Okay, so put that in your pipe and
smoke it, I don't know, and impress your friends at a party with
that. Yeah, then we have Evil Mary Poppins about to show up here.
See So I find that confusing. First of all, yes, because
it's Peter m that's Peter McNichol, which I don't so is he a ghost
now? That? Like that feels like a weird thing because you could have
just as easily had it be just a demon of some kind, right,
like to come and get the kid? Yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
I don't quite understand. It does feel very sort of kids film,
where you have like the villain dress up and something kind of funny, you
know, just up like a nanny. But it's like, is he a
ghost now? Like I don't. I don't understand it, you know,
right, I mean he's possessed, right, but it's not like we know
that he can leave his body or anything. Yeah, Like I've never understood
this, like like, what what is this that we're seeing of Janosh?
Yeah, I also think it's it's needlessly it makes the character needlessly creepy,
you know what I mean, Like up to this point, he's sort of
like he's a dupe, like a yeah, a goofy servant. Yeah,
yes, exactly right. I think that bit is just a little too it
makes him too creepy. Yeah, yeah, yep, I agree. I
mean again, it just feels like a movie filled with ideas. And I
mean, if we're to try to extrapolate from my LM's comment about we need
the shot, we need the shot, like maybe they're just kind of making
things up on the fly and just like, well, yea more interesting if
it was Peter McNichol who took it off, you know, just so there's
some sort of connection off the thing instead of a random ghost because we won't
know who that ghost is. And maybe yeah, yeah, I think that
you know, when you when you describe what the ILM people were likely going
through. It occurs to me like that they had the benefit of not having
CGI. In other words, like there were actual limitations like no, we
can't do that. Sorry, you know what I mean. Yes, that's
a good point. That's a really good point as opposed to now just just
stay even later and and clack your fingers even harder on the keyboard. You
know. That's yeah, you know that reminds me. I mean, working
I don't think I was speaking out of school here, but working on the
show Bob's Burgers. Part of my job back then was to look at the
finish show for the last time and make sure there were no errors, like,
you know, actual animation errors in the show, because that was on
a Wednesday, and the show would air on Sunday, so I would have
to sign off on a Wednesday, give it to Fox it err on Sunday.
And the thing is, when you watch these older Simpsons episodes and those
Flintstones and whatnot, there are all these animation errors because it's like, well,
what are you gonna do, Like have these guys redraw thirty seconds by
hand? You know, once you discover the errors, like some things,
you just have to let go. But with now animation being done digitally,
if there were errors, I would write them all down and the animators had
to stay in office as late as it took to fix the list of errors
that I caught that day, you know, because you could do that,
you could, like you say, you could clack on a computer and then
fix those things. So it's very different, very different now, different,
different time. Yeah, and you never really want to see your baby on
an altar surrounded by a candles dude. That on my list of yeah things.
Well, it's funny because because just earlier, when you when you see
them on the ledge, you're like, that's scary enough to imagine a kid,
you know what I mean? If there's something just inherently uncomfortable, unnerving
about seeing a baby in peril, even in a film when you know it's
not real, you know. Yeah. See, Like I think Yanush,
other than that bit of business with the evil Mary Poppins thing, he's just
like this goofy weirdo and and I think that that allows for at the end,
when you know, when they blast him with the ooze and he's like
I love you too, you know, You're like, ah see, he's
all right, you know, yeah. Yeah, yeah, kind of a
who it happens kind of thing, like he had exactly memory of what he
was used for as an instrument exactly. Yeah, that's a good point.
Yeah, I'd be willing to bet that Evil Mary Poppins thing was the result
of either something that was cut or just a quick, hasty decision to try
to tie things together after that test screen where people were feeling like things weren't
connected. That totally makes sense that Cannibal Girls I like some Sorry I said,
I was like, what is that? And it turns out that was
one of Ivan Rightman's first movies. That's right. Yeah, No, I
like this ghost montage, some of the clever ways they bring stuff in,
like this where the lady's jacket becomes like possessed. Yeah, that's great.
I mean that's creepy, you know what I mean. It's a good old
practical effect. Yeah, you know, you're just wearing that up. But
it's fun. That's great. I guess that was an idea they had for
the first film, but abandoned makes sense. It feels like because in the
first film, if you remember, after the containment unit explodes, you know,
you have a similar montage of just ghosts running amok. That's a cool
image. Yeah, and that great. Yeah. I guess Phil Tippitt did
that. It looks like it looks like a Tippet. Yeah, I guess
his his can because they were so overworked. They went to him and like,
we need you to do this, and his condition was it can only
be x amount of frames and it's static, and they're like, wow,
whatever, that's fine. Yeah. Is the Titanic just there's cheech Marine over
there. Yeah, yeah, I remember this shot right here creeped me the
hell out even when I was a little kid. Isn't it amazing? It's
static, but it's powerful, right right? Yeah, the ship and the
people d boarding the Titanic, the ghosts. I love it. It's really
like you said, it's still now. It evokes this creepiness. Hey,
Philip Baker Hall, Yes, wow, very dissay. And there's Ben Stein
over there. Yeah. You wonder if this scene was longer or something.
I mean, you you hire these guys who are such great act I well,
I definitely know that. This whole thing when he gets so pissed off,
when the Mary gets so pissed off at Urt folder, it's so funny,
but They basically added this where he's like, somebody, get me the
Ghostbusters. They added that because they had a whole thing filmed where like Rick
Morana what's the name, Lewis's cousin works at the sanitarium right by Eugene Levy
and he helps the Ghostbusters escape, and they've just cut that all out.
So in lieu of that, you just have the mayor be like, get
me the Ghostbusters. And so it's my implication they've they've been released. Yeah.
This they have a line in here about like the tenth Circle of Hell
or something, right, Yeah, And apparently in the trailer, if you
watch the trailer, that's a line Dan Aykroyd originally says at the mayor,
oh interesting in another location, so you, yeah, you can see that
this is like kind of a band aid scene. Oh, you'll be known
as the mayor who let New York get pulled in a tent circle. And
then he just has yeah, he just says it interesting. Yeah. I
love that stuff. By the way, it's not me picking it apart,
I mean just being interested in filmmaking. I find this stuff fascinating. I
mean you have to do that sometimes, right, I mean it's like we
were talking about with lethal weapon too. You know, it's hey, you
got to make cuts, you have to, you have to cover edits with
voiceover. That's just that's the job, you know. You know, your
goal is hopefully to make it as invisible as possible. I mean to your
point, you when you you watch this movie, you're not necessarily aware of
all of it. It's only with the knowledge of sort of the turmoil going
on that you're like, oh, okay, I can kind of see that.
Mm hm m hm. So I wonder if this is then the tail
end of that where his cousin let them out of maybe like a padded cell
or something, and then Lewis is come out of the building. That's right,
makes sense, right, Yeah? I mean originally the Kurt Fuller character
was supposed to die right trying to get in, trying to he basically like
the slime vaporizes him, right, And I kind of wish they'd left that
in, to be honest. Yeah, maybe if he had done something really
really bad, maybe he needed you know, it wasn't it was not fitting
of a punishment for him, where he's just kind of a little bit of
vocal opposition. I don't know, maybe they felt like it was too much
like we were saying, we tried to soften it a little bit. Yeah,
that's a good point. Vegos, mostly vegos, mainly vegos. I
was distracted by a couple of shots in here where it looked like a second
generation looking sort of fadedness to it, which made me think that there was
some sort of visual effect that was about to happen. But then nothing happened,
and it made me wonder what the story was with that. That happens
sometimes though, with certain films right where it's like a stray shot, yeah,
or maybe they zoomed in that could be yeah, or cropped in that
might be. I don't know. I love this stuff. This is why
I like listening to director's commentaries. I wish they'd you see them less and
less these days, because usually they're paired with blu rays. But that's I
think that they are still made available sometimes on streaming platforms commentary tracks, but
they are. They've become a rare and precious thing. Yep. I don't
know, man, I remember watching this in eighty nine and I'm like,
man, I'm so happy to see the Ghostbusters back, you know, Yeah,
it's just such a the proton packs too, which I guess, by
the way, that's the first time they ever actually referred to them as proton
packs, is in this movie, in this film. Well they did on
the show, yeah yeah, or maybe that Yeah, yeah, sure,
but in the film. Yeah, that's wow. I'd never thought about it,
but now you're you're right, Yeah that makes sense. But it's such
an iconic the image injury of it, right, you know what I mean,
like the backpacks and this the animated laser blasts. Mm hmm. Well,
you know to the point about about me being excited to see the Ghostbusters
back I mean audiences were too. You know this, uh, this was
when it came out, it was it was the biggest opening day of all
time and the biggest non holiday opening weekend of all time. Yeah, it
beats for Last Crusade. Yeah opening weekend, and and that record lasted Brian
for a whole week, right, and then came Batman, and then Batman
obliterated all of those records. But yeah, which is interesting, I mean
definitely. Uh. The critic reviews were much more negative than audience reviews.
Audience reviews were generally positive, but this movie just had the misfortune of arriving
in the summer of Batman. Mm hmmm, mm hmmm. Well it's it's
interesting too. I mean, all the actors and the filmmakers when they reflect
on it, it seems to be a negative experience, and even just they
they're like, well, we can see why it underperformed. You know,
they basically blame Wrightman blamed Batman, saying that, you know, audiences,
it seemed like they were seeking something more cynical and points at Batman and you
know, darker in tone, where his Ghostbusters too, was more upbeaten and
had an optimistic ending, and that was sort of his reflections on it.
I mean, this is all Monday morning quarterbacking. But but I think probably
this would have been a better Christmas movie. I think so too. I
can see that, or like November Thanksgiving or something. Yeah, but you
know, I was reading also, you know, industry experts were saying that
it was just a really, really crowded summer also, and so you had
Batman on one side of it, taking the teenagers away, and then you
had Honey Shrunk the kids on the other side of it, taking the families
away. And this movie, you know, might have paid a little bit
for that. Well and and I'm sort of talking past myself, but maybe
maybe the the very thing that kept the Ghostbusters in the public eye, which
is their general the ubiquity, you know, between the two movies, that
made the sequel seem less special. Mm hmm yeah maybe right, Like,
oh, we get so much Ghostbusters already. Sure, sure, because when
you think about it, I mean, there's the same gap between Indiana Jones
movies. Oh that's a wow. Yeah, you're right, eighty four and
eighty nine, right, yeah, yep, huh yeah, good point.
But I mean, I it's hard. It's hard for me to say because
I've I've always enjoyed this one, fully cognizant of its deficiencies, but I've
I've never been down on it. I know some people were, but but
I I know that when it came out, there's a general perception it was
like, oh, the second one, it's it's not any good. I
feel like that's changed. J Like, I don't know that this one is
ragged on as much. Yeah, well, y And I feel like I've
said this about the Batman films a lot, which is when it's the movie
of the moment, like this is the new thing, this is Ghostbusters hours
or this is Batman. Now you're scrutinizing it a lot harder, right,
But then when you have more things come along and you can take a step
back and you're not being so hard on it. You're like, well,
this is fun to watch too, right, Yeah, No, I think
you're right. I also, I have to imagine that there is I mean,
again, thirty five years a lot of kids grow up watching this one,
totally totally right. Yeah. And I wonder too if you have an
audience that first saw it as kids in eighty four and then they aged up
a little bit and this movie felt maybe a little younger next to Batman,
which came out the next week, right, Like they were like, yeah,
I mean, just just your point. I mean, I mean we've
said before that we were at the exact right age for Batman because we were
like nine or ten. If you were ten when Ghostbusters came, the first
Ghostbusters, then maybe the second one would feel a little kiddy to you,
right, Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. So this too, the Statue
of Liberty effect. I mean, it's this amazing marriage of miniatures and you
know, composition, and I mean just you know what I mean, like,
oh, yeah, there's so much happening here. It's amazing. Yeah,
I gotta be honest, I think as I get older, I actually
love I love this. I love the statue of Liberty walking down the street
and people cheering. I don't know, man, it just hits me in
the fields. I mean, this is this is my core essence here,
Like I've always rooting for, like the forgiveness at the end of a film,
you know, or positive he's saving the day, and that's literally what
this ending is, you know, like trying to rally New York together with
a symbol that makes them feel good and having positivity fight like a supernatural evil
that literally is negativity. You know, this speaks to me very much.
I love that shot by the way of the statue crushing that car. That's
amazing. How how did like I'm looking at I'm like, how'd you do
that? I know it looks so good. Yeah, So here's here's which
would probably I didn't know you could drive or license. It's funny because you
now we know that he had a whole movie pursuing that character, and now
it's like, yeah, this Slimer's gonna drive a bus to take me where
I need to go. Yeah, it's it's literally They said that they they
left in these little snippets of Slimmer just because they knew kids would want kids
would be expecting Slammer. But I don't know, I do kind of wish
they'd had a little bit more of him in there. Yeah, yeah,
but they I guess they just didn't feel consequential to the story, right,
there were sort of yeah, that's the little side adventures that you just didn't
need. So originally, like pre test screenings, it was just a situation
where the Ghostbusters repelled down and they zapped you go back into the painting that's
at the end, And it was basically test screens that were like, wait
a minute, that's it, right, So they had to go back and
kind of add add some third act peril you know. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, I was reading about that. He said the last twenty five minutes
died a horrible death, and so they had to go back. Yeah,
you know, did the walking statue of Liberty down the street evoke marshmallow Man
to you? Like? Does that feel? Oh, without without a doubt,
it felt like, okay, well we need a big giant thing going
down the street. So it's funny because you can't escape it. However,
I do love it because it does it is different. I mean, the
state's mistakes of it, the situation is different. With a twist. Yeah,
with the spectacle of seeing the Statue of Liberty walking down a street in
New York is really fun to me. I love it. Yeah, I
mean I don't know what people thought at the time, but like, is
that is that a bridge too far? You know? Is that too much
of a bye? The idea that you can that you can get the Statue
of Liberty to come alive, so to speak, you know, you know,
I mean at this point in the movie for me, no, but
yeah, I think I did read there was a deleted scene where they realized
they could utilize the slime that way. But I mean, I don't know.
For me, I get it. I mean, the movie is what,
it's just under two hours, right, I'm like, maybe a minute
or two of that stuff wouldn't have been the worst thing in the world.
Yeah, well, I mean to what I was saying earlier, Yeah,
a little bit, especially with the world building of it all, I wouldn't
have minded a bit. But yeah, even like a news report, you
know, like the Ghostbusters are on trial today and many believe, you know,
why would you do this to heroes or save New York. While on
the other hand, some people, yeah, it was all a hoax anyway,
and they destroyed a building and we're caught defacing property again today now to
the trial something like that. There you go, do your fan edit adding
that in, right, But it really doesn't make me wonder. I mean
I mentioned it earlier, but Bill Murray said that they signed on to do
this movie with a different script. His quote was, Harold had a great
idea, but by the time we got to shooting it. I showed up
on set and went, what the hell is this? What is this thing?
But they were already shooting it, and You're like, well, what,
I'm just curre, I'm just for cureuriosity's sake. What was it?
Yeah? And again, I mean, the experience making this was enough of
an impediment, at least for Bill Murray to keep him, you know,
from ever doing a third one with all of the band back together. So
I real quick, So this right here, so I happened to I was
watching with humsau. This is like whatever thirteen years ago and I got up
to make a phone call and right here he just he runs out of the
room crying. He's like, what happened? It is right? But he
think he was like three maybe, oh wow, you know, and so
like he had enough awareness to be like, oh no, I don't like
what's happening to the baby? You know why? Well, and you see
the baby start to cry and you understand. I mean the actor is very
scary looking. It is, yeah, the faces he's making holding him up
above his head, and that's why Hums is all screwed up. Even though
I'm just joking, not he's a great kid. I'm actually very disappointed because
as we are recording this tomorrow, I'm supposed to go see I'm supposed to
go see this, and I was checked with him. I was like,
hey, when when are you? Are you free you know to watch He's
like, oh, absolutely, And then I got tickets and then he's like,
oh, actually my coach told me I'm in the golf game tomorrow.
And I'm like, but I'm watching it without him, Like sorry, man,
everyone else is already going yeah, I love this. Right. Positivity
wins the day. I think I think it's a good message, but you
have to admit it lacks the the immediacy of you know, we have to
cross the streams, you know, oh for sure, for sure, I
think I think that's that's It's not the problem with this movie necessarily, but
it's like that first one. It it it hits every base right and even
you know, at the end of that movie, when they're about to cross
the streams and you know, Ray looks over at Peter, He's like,
it's been nice working with you, doctor Bankman, you know, and they
kind of acknowledge, like it's like it's this big heroic moment. And I
don't think this one quite figured out how to measure up to that. I
mean, we can acknowledge that because they sort of they had to stiff something
together here. You know. Yeah, I completely agree with you. And
I wonder also, if they had the special effects that we have now,
if you could make more of a meal out of the fact that they're singing
is having an effect on the cocoon around the museum, like you can start
to crack and beams of light coming out of it, you know, like
it might feel or maybe even bring the scariness outside and the people feel threatened,
but it's like, no, be brave, be positive, you know,
and keeping people there, singing and having all of it in front of
them that might have felt bigger. That's that's a good point. That does
crack me. But I don't know if it's meant to be funny. But
when suddenly raised Vigo, I don't know, I find it funny. No,
it feels very random, right, what you were saying earlier, you
know, I mean, obviously there was something more to that. It was
abandoned, but it sort of feels like a hat on a hat in the
moment. Yeah, it's a good way of putting it. Yeah, Now
did Louis or Lewis did he do anything or no? He just feels like
he did. Yeah, that was my sense that it just so happened to
coincide with his shooting, happened to coincide with them defeating Vigo, right right,
Well, good for him, everyone's cheering him off. That's nice.
I remember these tanks on the posters also, right, Like they had the
differences. They had the darker uniforms and they had the right yeah, which
they only really wear in the montages. Yeah, yeah, I guess that
they were designed for the film, and he was like, go back to
the originals, really, because I I don't mind them. Actually, yeah,
I mean it looks different different movie. I think in the animated show,
you know, they each wear a different colored flight suit, and so
I would imagine that the thinking was, maybe we can mix it up to
have it reflect you know, what they did on the show. Yeah,
well that makes sense too. I mean, you think of the Ninja Turtles.
It's easy. Colors helped me distinguish a little bit exactly. Yeah.
I mean I was when I was at Target, you know, and I
was looking at you know, I mentioned I was looking at the toys for
the classic toys, but they also had toys for the new movie. And
it's like, oh, here's you know, Phoebe and Trevor and whatever,
you know, Gary, and it's all the characters, but they're all wearing
the gray jumpsuits. I was thinking. I was like, you can see
why Kenner and the cartoon people were like, no, let's mix them up,
so each of them has a different color in the jumpsuit. You know.
I think it makes sense. Yeah, so where does this painting come
from? It sort of feels like an idea they just wanted to do.
Yeah, but it doesn't really have any logic to it. Wow, is
it? Is it over already? I know it surprised me last night too,
but I was like, okay, so you have New York cheering them
on again. I was like, I hope someone is videotaping this as a
camquarder so New York does not forget yet again again. Well, but by
the time we get to Afterlife, I mean they kind of have, right,
like, yeah, the world has moved on, right, like Paul
Red who has to remind people remember the Ghostbusters? Come on, Harold Ramis
rip. I know I was gonna say. In our world too, though,
things major, major world events happen and we just sort of move on
and forget. And it's kind of a sad reality actually, I mean you
know to that point, right, like yeah, I mean how do we
how do how is nine to eleven thought of today? Mm hmm, right,
like it's barely thought of? Or actually even better more recent example is
like January sixth, sure, sure, right, I mean that's like three
years ago and it's out of sight, out of mind, right or you
think I mean that's more recent, but with nine to eleven. You think
of a younger generation who were, you know, toddlers when that happened,
and so they don't have the emotional Yeah, uh Scar, I guess hmm
Will Deutschendorf. There you go, Hank Deutschendorf. The kid is like late
thirties now right. I thought about that. Yeah. Actually, sadly one
of them's passed away. No really, Oh I didn't know that. That's
really sad. Yeah. So this this here, that's that was from the
ghost jogger scene, so presumably it is a little bit more mm hmmm,
well we passed it. But Bo Welch do you know this story about Bo
Welch. He was the production designer on Beetlejuice and he had a crush on
Catherine O'Hara, and I guess word got to Tim Burton and Burton was like,
well't ask her out, and Welch was like, we can do that,
you know, her being the actress in the film. And he's like,
yeah, why not, and so he did and they've been married ever
since. Get out of here. Yeah, that is a lovely story.
Wow is that sweet? I love Tim Burton too, Like, well,
I don't ask her out. Wow. All right, well, hey Ghostbusters
too. What do you think? Man? You know, it's it's a
bop. It's fun. I I agree, it's fun seeing these guys in
their primes still as a goofing around, getting to see the old school special
effects and you know, it's just fun. It's a fun romp. Yeah,
I think you know, it makes me happy that the franchise is continuing
on. You know, I hope this next one does well enough to keep
it going. But also you know, it's like we're never going to get
this configuration ever again, and so you cherish it a little at least.
I do you know, like we got two with these guys. Agreed,
And I was gonna say, I this could be my age speaking, but
the whole tactile nature of the ghosts and the effects just adds to the charm.
Yeah slash the spookiness that mixed with comedy that I think these movies pull
off so well, And I think there's something inherently charming about that that you
can't replicate with the newer films. Holding nothing against those, but I just
love that we have two of these with its quirkiness and its visual quirkiness that
we get to enjoy. I'll tell you I watched this one and I just
want to pour myself a bowl of Ghostbuster cereal and take a big swig of
my Ecto cooler. I was gonna say, serve me up a glass of
Ecto cooler and I'm good. Which they started selling that again briefly, didn't
they a couple of years ago. I think when the last film, or
maybe it was the one with Christin Wig whenever they came out the twenty sixteen
one, Yeah, did you try it again? I'm like, I'm not
ten anymore, dude. I wanted to try it because I loved it when
I was a kid and they were serving it at a movie theater and I
had This was when I was at bobs Burger's and all of us we had
a lunch group and we drove to the theater on our lunch break and bought
it to try it, and we were all like, how did we ever
like this? Oh? Yeah, I don't even need you to tell me
that to be like, yeah, I don't think it would work. Yeah.
One last tidbit, if people are interested, go on YouTube, google
Ghostbusters to Oprah Chris Farley, and there is a clip of all the actors
here, Sigourney Weaver, Bill Murray promoting Ghostbusters Too on Oprah, and it
cuts to the audience cheering and you see a pretty famous Chris Farley like whooping
it up and clapping and it's really delightful to see. Wow. Yeah,
I guess that because he would have started on SNL maybe a year or so
later, probably pretty close to this. Right. Was he from Chicago?
I know he died in Chicago. I want to say Wisconsin, but he
could maybe have done you know, Second City or something out of Chicago.
I'm not he did die in Chicago, right, I'm right. It wasn't
even the Handcock or something. Yeah, No, that feels right. I
mean, I mean, yeah, I kind of associated with Chicago. I'm
thinking he might have been originally from Wisconsin. But okay, yeah, but
yeah, no Second City or something, because I'm thinking, like, why
would he have been in the Oprah audience, right, yeah? Yeah,
yeah, So maybe he moved there to do comedy And that's when I mean,
who knows, he could have done a show that night been discovered and
then there you go. Yeah. And by the way, yeah, it's
I'm on Wikipedia. It says Farley was found dead by his younger brother John
in his apartment in the John Hancocks Center in Chicago. Wow, I was
right about that. Yeah, Wow crazy and it says yeah. He his
hometown of Madison, Wisconsin. Over five hundred people attended his funeral, including
Dan Aykroyd, Adam Sandler, Chris rock Ropschneider. Wow. Yeah, anyway,
sorry, no, no, no, but but it's it's it's a
really it's very brief, but it's a very charming clip. Yeah. Check
that out. Well. If you have any thoughts about Ghostbusters to let us
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we wrap the sucker up, I'm sad to be leaving nineteen eighty nine.
I think in my personal life maybe this week I'm going to try to find
some more movies to watch, to hang around there a little longer. Well
we can. I'm sure we can find other stuff to commentary track our way
through. If nothing else, sign me up well with that on behalf of
my partner Brian Home. My name is Zachie Ason. This has been our
commentary track for Ghostbusters too. We will catch you next time. Thanks everybody,