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and she waited for him to fall
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there over the mouth with the baseball
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seat right up. Hello and welcome. This is season ten, episode two

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hundred forty nine of Sword and Scale, a show that reveals it the worst

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It was the Monday after Mother's Day
weekend of twenty eighteen. A mother named

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Anne Johnson called her local police for
help her daughter, Joline Cummings was missing.

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Joline was a thirty three year old
hairdresser with three kids in a busy

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schedule. She had spent the last
few years working at a salon in Fernandina

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Beach called Tangles, and was beloved
by her co workers for her bubbly nobs

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personality kind of like mine. Joline
and her former husband, Jason Cummings had

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recently separated. Now she was living
alone with her kids and had been dipping

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her toes back into the dating pool. But Jolene wasn't answering her cell phone.

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Jolene always answered her cell phone no
matter what was going on. Plus,

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Joline would have not missed a call
to her mother on Mother's Day,

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which was also Jolene's birthday. The
police went to Jolene's house in Hilliard,

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Florida, and saw no signs of
her car or Jolene. They put out

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a bolo for her ten SUV and
soon reached her ex husband, Jason Cummings.

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Jason said that Joline was supposed to
meet him at the wind Dixie supermarket

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the day before to do their normal
child exchange, but she never showed up,

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so he took the kids to Joline's
mom's house. All right, he's

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just kind of suffering the beginning the
source. When's the last time that she

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saw Joe? It wasn't this past
Sunday. It was a Sunday prior to

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six or so? Okay as six
a cloud my six and live okay een

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d s and John Kinsell Okay,
say that's when you saw you? When

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day is as a normal routine.
He guess what's the list of custody?

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Ship pick him up for las f
okay? KACKI d six o'clock? Who

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Who's who's a very tan? I
don't know? Lasking Okay, I'm worried.

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Where do you pick him up?
At the bottler? Jason and Joline

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had a seamless arrangement. They traded
off custody every week. Jason took the

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kids to Joe Lene at the wend
Dixie supermarket, and he picked them up

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from Joe Lene's babysitter, Tanya at
a nearby park. They had been doing

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this for a long time without any
issue until the week before Joelne wanted him

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to break a custody arrangement and he
refused. They hadn't really been speaking much

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since. I mean, other than
that, I didn't know nothing was wrong.

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I means she's always she's angry most
but she's also happy as she's talking

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to unless you can see her her
face, but she would She got Joe

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two sixteen sent to her for duson
nine days. Okay, shout out my

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months after she as when she started
doing her little genie X, I thought

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she was just saying as somebody else. I didn't think that drove because when

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she did long she played with kids, you know, me and her was

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getting kind of dissa and I'll just
let her get whatever out of her system.

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But it got worse. Jolene went
through a rough patch at the end

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of their marriage, and even though
she'd sometimes disappear for a few days,

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she would always come back and be
a great mom. That's why Jason wasn't

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too concerned when Jolne didn't show up
at the wind Dixie on Friday for their

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childcare exchange. What I really want
to get into is, you know,

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obviously you are personally interesting anytime and
somebody gets listen. I understand you.

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You understand if you want schools who
scho would be a police officer. I

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mean it's like you understand you know
the best one, and I want you

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to think of the weirds you ever
do on You know, I don't want

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you to think that anybody's for unfair
than you, but obviously here's somebody at

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Jason nodded and provided a solid alibi, including his job and a play date

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with his kids friends. He told
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wind Dixie when Jolene missed her pickup. He said that he and the children

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showed up on time and waited twenty
minutes before trying to get a hold of

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Jolene O six twenty six twenty holtext
shows they look you're late, said on

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your twenty minutes. So if you
need your job, kids off at your

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moms. I mean, because usually
if she's from the lake, still tell

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me, I can you clean you
job? The kids off at moms or

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blah blah blah. I'm right left
and I'm waiting to buy another ten minutes

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and I went. I went to
Kama's house to see if she was over

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there, see what's going on.
That's when I found out and they hadn't

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trying to do her wrong day and
no last talked to her. She'll have

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that extra, he s extr on
less someday is her. Jason then handed

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over his phone and his car to
be analyzed. What do you think capital

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to drive me? First? Only
I know that she's I have she's doing

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a drow and don't want you found
wanting to walk about and now she's got

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all this attends on as far as
here. Okay? Is that's your hope

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or is that yourselves? What?
Okay? What's your thoughts in this world?

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Man? Very much? Job,
I don't want to figure out them,

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even though it I mean, you
don't you don't think I should like

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this? Can you lead un a
super walker? Can you please tell me

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about this guy she has got she've
been seeing and we're looking into that I'm

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trying to locate him for you.
I'm gonna get it, bring him in

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him just like a and doing to
you. But it wouldn't be that easy

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to get Joe Lane's new boyfriend,
Jason G to talk on the phone.

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When they finally got a hold of
him on his cell phone and said this

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is the Sheriff's department, he hung
up and then turned off his phone.

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As they attempted to locate Jason G, the detectives paid a visit to Joe

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Lane's babysitter, Tanya, who had
a few choice stories to tell the police.

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I received a text from Joelan and
she said, DCF is going to

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be calling you and I was like, what do you mean you know?

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And we went back and forth and
she told me that every She then called

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me because I was freaking out.
I was like, why are you to

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giving these people my name and number. I'm like, I have nothing to

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do with your issue. This is
all on Texas. I said, I

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have nothing to do with this issue
right here? Why did you give them

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my number? So she called me
and she's like, well, I gave

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him your name and number because you
can account for the kind of mom I

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am and because I see you,
you know, three full times a week

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drop and picking off the boys.
DCFF Department of Florida Children's and Families suddenly

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became involved in Joline's life after a
fight between her and Jason G the week

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she went missing. I asked her
what happened and how it started. She

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said they woke up in a good
mood and was fine, and then they

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started cooking. It was holy.
There was holes in her story, so

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there really wasn't an excuse more or
less. They just got to a fight

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and then he started throwing things at
her. The boys were crying. Who

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started throwing things? Jason G started
throwing things at her and the boys were

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crying. So that's when she told
me she called the cops and I said,

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you need me to come get the
boys. This was again Thursday,

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and she said no, the cops
are here, and the DCF lady just

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pulled up and I was like,
or just left, because that's why I

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got upset, because she gave her
my name and number. And I was

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like, okay, so the DCF
just left and you made your report and

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everything. Are you sure you don't
make it the boys? She's like,

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no, I'm just gonna calm them
down and blah blah blah. So I

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said to Joline, you know,
hey, we can get I know you

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don't work on Thursdays, but I
could tell she's very very very stressed,

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highly stressed, constantly coming in scatter
brain. And so I reached out to

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her and I said, if you
ever want to go on a kid date

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and just hang out and talk,
we can. Again, this is all

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on text. Joline insisted that everything
was fine. Jason had left and she

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wasn't going to let him back anywhere
near the house. The fight Joelene had

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with Jason happened on Thursday. The
police were called and ye have showed up.

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Joline said she was staying away from
Jason. Tanya saw Joe Lane the

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next morning when she dropped off her
boys. Did you see her on Friday?

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Yes, Friday morning? Okay,
yeah, I guess Friday morning,

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nine fifteen. And I know exactly
because I actually have been. She doesn't

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pay me a lot, being a
single mom going through a divorced she doesn't

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pay me a lot. So to
calculate how much I'm technically getting her child,

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you know, and just do that, you know, And I'd added

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up the math and she's a single
mom. I'm trying to help her out.

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So anyways, she pays me,
but usually it's she pays me half

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and half. But this day she
paid me. She was on time,

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and she was not scatter brained and
crazy. She was calm, collective,

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kissed the boys goodbye, gave me
my money, and that was it.

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And that was weird that because typically
my mom can hear her hurry up,

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boys, come on, let's go. And I'm not again trying to speak

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ill of her. It's just how
she is. I'm a loud person,

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so I might sound different to others
too, but she's constantly let's go.

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I'm late, come on, boys, let's go. Tanya said, that

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was the last time she saw Joe
Lene. What was the last time you

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communicated with her? Be I textra
phone. I look sure, because I

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can tell you exactly Friday at six
nineteen pm, I have a lawyer.

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DCF is no longer allowed to contact
me. They have to contact my lawyer.

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I forgot about that, and I
said, okay, Nice, She

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said, yep, the whole point
I got into it today. So I

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said, nice, that was it? And who she got into it with?

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No, actually, and it doesn't
dawn on me that that even meant

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anything until now and then I text
her Happy Birthday, not knowing any of

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this until her mom to it and
she's actually a mutual friend reached out.

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Did she answer that texturethday? None
of Jolne's friends, family, or co

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workers had any contact with her since
Saturday evening. Jolene always worked on Saturday's

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at Tangles. It was as though
she had vanished. It's always one thing

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or another, or I'm late,
or i'm this or on that or this.

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You know. So at first I
thought this was all not a joke,

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but maybe she'd get some drugs and
had a long madding over. But

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no, there's something wrong. When
detectives got a warrant to search Joline's home,

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they found that her kitchen had been
destroyed, cabinet doors were hanging off

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hinges, and holes had been punched
in the walls. The police report indicated

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that all the damage had been done
by Jason, and that he also had

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an outstanding violation of probation warrant.
At a press conference about Joline, the

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police addressed this in reference to a
domestic issue involving Jolene and her former boyfriend,

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Jason G. A neighbor advice heard
loud arguing and things being broken inside

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Jolie's house, so she called the
Sheriff's office. When deputies arrived, Gee

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was gone. Joline told the responding
deputy that Gee had showed up at her

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house and wanted to stay, but
she asked him to leave. He had

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an active warrant out for his arrest
for violation and probation, and he avoided

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deputies who were actively looking for him
to see if he had any information on

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Jolie's whereabouts. She was found on
Tuesday, May fifteenth, hiding in a

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house in Hugard under some cardboard boxes
and was arrested on the outstanding warmth.

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After Jason's arrest, his father spoke
to the media advocating for his son's innocence.

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I saw any of them knew that
my son does playing amazing, But

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my son would never heard of wars. But that wasn't true. Jason G

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had a history of various drug charges, outstanding warrants, and domestic charges.

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Today we also found this court doctor
shows another ex girlfriend of Gey's had similar

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problems and filed a restraining order against
him in Jacksonville back in twenty eleven.

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It shows while she was with her
two young children, he assaulted her in

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her car, forced her neck against
the seat, grabbed her phone and smashed

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it, and goes on to say
he told the woman he was going to

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make her life miserable. Jason G
was arrested and taken down to the station.

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With no phone to turn off and
no boxes to hide under, he

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would have to face the reality of
Joelene's mysterious disappearance head on. Thirty three

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year old mother and hairdresser Joline Cummings
had gone missing the weekend of her birthday,

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which was also Mother's Day. Joline
was in the middle of divorce,

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a very dangerous time for a woman
to be quite honest, and though her

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ex husband checked out, her new
boyfriend, Jason G was a seasoned criminal

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with a violent past. He had
run from the cops when they tried to

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question him, and had also gotten
in a serious fight with Joline two days

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before she disappeared. He was arrested
on an outstanding warrant and the cops could

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finally question the sketchy man in Joline's
life that nobody trusted, but Jason had

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an alibi his father. Is there
anyway you could be involved with her disappearance?

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I had nothing to do with a
girl's disappearance. You know. He

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come out here Wednesday. He's been
with me all week long. Saturday when

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the girl was supposed to be missing
me and he was here at the house

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all day long. Jason g agreed
to talk once in custody. He admitted

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to smashing Jolene's kitchen and that they
fought in the past, but he swore

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he had no idea where she was. He said he hadn't seen her since

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their fight on Thursday, when the
police were called. He said he had

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been avoiding the cops because of his
warrants and not because of Joline. With

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Jason and custody and his story semi
believable, the detectives turned back to Joline's

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schedule and traced her steps. The
last place she was seen alive was at

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the Tangles hair salon on Saturday.
Jolene had a busy day with clients and

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then closed up shop with a new
hairdresser named Jennifer Cybert. Soon the detectives

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met with the salon's manager and Morgan, Anne had been working for the salon's

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owner for a long long time and
had seen Joline through her entire employment at

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Tangles. She come there and apply
for the job, and that's how I

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know her ever since she works there
about five six years now. That's how

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I become to know her at Tangles. At Tangles, we get along wonderful

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and she look up to me.
I'm just like, go mom. Would

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she confide in you? Most times
she confide and made things. You know.

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Did you give her advice? Yes. Anne said that Joline had recently

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filed an injunction against her ex husband, Jason Cummings, and was a bit

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obsessed with her upcoming court date.
He oh, I give her a hard

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time, and she tried to put
what she called me conjunction or something like

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that against him. Yes, see
it everything they say or they taxed.

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She always keeps all the wrecktors.
She told me for the court. If

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she had few minutes or ten minutes, five minutes, she pulled those books

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out and look at it. And
I assume she's look at it and study

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it. Jason had told the cops
about the injunction, but still could there

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be more to the story than just
a messy divorce? Then all of a

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sudden, something amazing happened. They
found Jolne's car. On Tuesday afternoon,

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we received information at a vehicle matching
Joelane's two thousand and six Bays four expedition

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we're seeing parked in the parking lot
close to the home depot in Ulie.

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We told the vehicle to the Sheriff's
office to see if we could obtain any

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type of clues about Jolene. We
immediately began going around to businesses in the

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area looking for any video surveillance camera
footage there was available in hopes we could

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find out when the vehicle was parked
there. Joline's Tan Suv was not damaged.

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All our belongings were inside. By
the way, who drives a Tan

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suv? I mean that you gotta
be a You gotta be a psychopath.

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Anybody that drives a Tan car who
goes to the dealership and goes, yeah,

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give me the Tan model that's out
there in the lot that you can't

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sell, Give me that one.
All right, I'm done. Anyway,

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all of Jolene's belongings were inside the
suv. We found some camera footage that

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showed Joline's vehicle being parked around one
seventeen am Sunday morning. The video showed

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the drivers sit there for a few
minutes and then get out. We were

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hoping to see Joline get out of
that vehicle, but Jolene never got out

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out of the suv. Instead,
a plump, middle aged woman with long

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brown hair twisted up into a bun
got out of the car. Picture a

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very smug looking Karen type, if
that helps. Police immediately identified her as

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Jennifer Cybert, Jolene's coworker and the
last person known to have seen her alive.

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According to Anne from Tangles, Jennifer
had only been working at the salon

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for a few months. She came
there just about two months or so like

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that. I think it's about two
months a little bit more, two months

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around that number. What did you
notice about Jennifer? Well, really,

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I don't know much about Jennifer,
but she seemed like a nice person to

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me. But she seemed like she
wanted to involve everything's going on in the

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shop. That she wanted to be
involved in everything is what's your son?

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Yes? And go on in the
shop. When Jennifer was hired, and

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tried to get to know her better
by asking about her life like anyone would

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with a new co worker. I
asked her, She do na vontere tell

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me? I asked, I say
you or you live here with somebody or

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by yourself. She pursued, tell
me that she lived with her sister and

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her brother in law and her mother, but her mother not well. When

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police went to the address Tangle Salon
had on file for Jennifer, it was

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fake. The address did not exist. You know, we's the girls when

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we're not busy, so we can
have a small talk, which i'd say,

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are you married? She said yeah, but she divorced because act her

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husband very meant her see here.
At one time he tried to kill her.

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He took her to death and to
say that if I don't push him

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away, up of'em, they
won't be here today. Yes, he

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says, He say that she very
afraid that he find her or do what

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she used. Put a tap on
her. She don't give her phone number

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to nobody. She very careful what
she'd do. The words she used,

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you said, put a cap on
her. I love that Jennifer was an

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odd duck with a strange past.
No one at the salon thought much of

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it except Jolene. Jolene was very
curious more than just hairdresser curious about Jennifer

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and confided an Anne about it about
two weeks before she's missing. She told

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me, she say, miss Anne, something about Jenner for that. I

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cannot put my hand on it.
She's not right. She faked, miss

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Anne, she faked. She come
on and say to what she fake?

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She's fake? She and I say, why you get on saying that?

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She say, I don't know.
I cannot tell you, but I have

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a feeling that something about her that
I don't trust. Jennifer would do weird

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things at the salon, like refused
to help certain customers or what seemed like

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unacceptable reasons. Another time, she
turned off the air conditioner in the middle

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of a humid, hot afternoon when
the salon was full of people. She

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was nosy and in everyone's business,
but when the questions turned back to her,

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she gave short answers and avoided more
questions. Even customers noticed the tension

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between Jennifer and joe Lene, and
so Jolene asked Jennifer to get the gifts

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shificket out of the bomb drawer.
Summers in a drawers, the gift shifket

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and Jennifer blew up, like you
can do with it? I don't,

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can't fucking find it in front of
this lady. So Joline asked if we

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can get excused so she can go
find it help the lady. She did.

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One day, Jolene came in telling
Anne she wanted to have a chat

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with her when they got a free
moment. When it came time for a

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quick smoke breakout, back and and
Jolene went outside, but Jennifer followed them.

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Jennifer did not smoke. Did you
get the impression if she was trying

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to listen to the conversation between you
and Joe Lene? Yes? And what

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was Joe Lene trying to tell you
about the incident with her ex boyfriend on

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Wednesday? I think it's get yeah, I think ex boyfriend ex husband.

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We didn't even get dad yet,
Okay. Jennifer came out, yes,

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and stood close or trying to be
included in the conversation. Trying to be

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included. I'm I'm here, Joe
Lane, here, Jennifer here, I'm

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in the middle. Okay, And
uh, what was joe Lyne's reaction?

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Joanne was sitting down and I'm sitting
on the jail, and Jolian look up

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to her say go away. I
don't want to talk to you. I

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wanted to talk to miss Anne.
You fake you, Yes, you fake

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you? You fake, you crazy? You fake? And Jennifer say,

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what do you mean why I'm fake? What the reason for you to say

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that I'm fake? And Jenner and
Julian say I want to talk to you

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now, just go away, and
Jennifer still stand there, so I kind

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of have to intervene it. I
say, go ahead and go inside,

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honey, I'll talk to you later. According to Anne, Knifer just stood

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there even after Jolene told her to
basically beat it, and eventually shuffled her

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inside to break up the bubbling confrontation. After they finished their cigarettes and and

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Jolene went back to work, and
Jolene continued talking about Jennifer. She say,

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miss Anne, what Jennifer a last
name? I said, I don't

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know how Nie? Why? She
said, because I want to go online

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and look up like the criminal people
got the rep seat. She want to

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go on that shite and look and
she did jennifer name pop up. I

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said, I don't have it,
but I can call Vicky and ask her

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her last name. The day got
busy and didn't have time to call the

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salon's owner, Vicky and ask her
for Jennifer's information, but Jolene wasn't going

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to just let this go. She
finally got Jennifer his full name with the

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customer's help. Joline made the comment, go over there, look at her

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license. I want to know her
last name because there's something just odd about

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her. You mean the cosmetology Ye, cosmetology license. Yeah, that was

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hanging up on her thing. So
I'm like, okay, she is because

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there's something just weird because she just
shows up any time she Jolane says she

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started wearing wigs when she first started. Then they complimented on her hair because

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it was so long, so then
she stopped wearing the wigs. But Joline

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says she just didn't have a right
vibe with her, so she was going

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to look up her name and figure
out what the heck was going on with

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her. Jolene was determined to find
out what was so wrong about Jennifer,

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she says, to explain it.
But something about jenner Foot is not right.

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She not a person that she says
she is. Well, Joline's last

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day working at Tangles. One of
her customers told the police that while she

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was sitting in the chair getting her
hair done or did I don't know what

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the right nomenclature is these days,
Jennifer came up and started talking to her.

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Jolene had walked away for a moment, and Jolene had said to the

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customer, it's like she really doesn't
like me. I told her she needed

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to watch her mouth. The police
still couldn't find Jennifer Cybert anywhere. Her

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address was bogus, her phone was
off. They hunted the eastern beaches of

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Florida to try to find Jennifer's car, and then they caught a break through

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on her investigative techniques. We finally
located Cyber in her vehicle, which is

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a twenty sixteen Kia Soul black in
color. We found her the northbound ninety

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five rist area in Saint John's County
on Wednesday evening sixteenth park between two other

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semi trucks. She had apparently been
living in her car at various locations.

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Banks upon the surveillance video and we're
driving Joline's car. We arrested her for

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grand theft auto and she was booked
into the Saint John's County jail and ultimately

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brought back to Nassau County. Here's
Jennifer and custody. I'm enjoying. This

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is Charlotte. I want to talk
to me for of those Wow, what

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name do you want me to call
you? Drive? You said, I'm

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being called you by her Saint Johnson. Tell you when you are thrun my

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fingers through. They come up as
Kimberly Lee Hessler. You heard that right.

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Jennifer Seybert wasn't Jennifer Seybert at all. Her name was Kimberly Kessler.

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I was born in May of nineteen
sixty eighty nine. I had fifty years

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old. I've been running from the
FBI for twenty five years. I've been

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living under this particular alias since nineteen
ninety nine, so not quote nineteen ninety

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nine, nineteen years. That's about
it. But that wasn't about it.

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That was just the tip of the
iceberg. And now that they had Jennifer

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aka Kimberly and custody, the police
were about to go down a rabbit hole

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like they'd never seen before. Kimberly
had been masquerading as many different women over

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the years, She had lived under
seventeen different aliases in various states, from

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Arizona to Texas to Florida. She
was filled with layers of secrets, lies,

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and crime. They were just beginning
to scratch the surface of her deception.

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Your family member, you don't want
your That's fine. I haven't talk

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to them a while. I have
cousins and all people want. You don't

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want to spend time anymore or just
yeah, I'd like said I'm ready to

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go back to being myself. I
said, you know, Fox twenty five

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years around the friend from the FBI, and thought I could build like a

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life for myself. And I've done
nothing. I've lived in it. I

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mean, I've been trying. I'm
live in my car last over two years.

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I'm not getting it's not gonna getting
better. I would I would laugh

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to know, you know, and
I'm not you know, I'm a federal

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lawforcement agent or anything like that,
but you know, I kind of allow

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me hear the background of why you
have last five years. Pull pull up

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on the computer, pull my name
out, pull it up, Kimberly Kessler,

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and I'm here. I want to
pull that up. I'll do with

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for me to super if you'll give
me a minute, I'll outside, and

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my crime analyst is actually here,
and I'll give her an information and let

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her and let her work on that. Kimberly Lee Hessler, What kind of

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silly middle name isn't miss if my
mom's son saying an emerald cared for?

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Kimberly was from Butler, Pennsylvania,
and according to police records, she had

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been reported missing by her own family
in twenty twelve. However, they waited

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eight years to report her missing.
She actually disappeared on July fourth, two

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thousand four. What kind of mother
waits a decade to report her child missing.

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Kimberly was charming and witty with the
detectives, but Kimberly was a weirdo

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and basically anyone and everyone who had
known her throughout the years and her various

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aliases would verify that fact. For
example, the name Jennifer Seibert was the

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name of a young German girl who
had died in a car crash and Butler.

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When she was a teenager, Kimberly
used to walk to the cemetery and

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write down the names of dead girls
who were born near her own birth year.

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Super Normal behavior I'm being facetious in
case you haven't picked it up via

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audio. Now that they had figured
out her real name, detectives had started

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hunting down people who knew Kimberly way
back when she was actually Kimberly. Here's

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an ex boyfriend of Kimberly who she
lived with in the early nineties after they

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graduated from high school. Can you
tell me some more about her? I

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saw something about stabbing you in the
leg. Can you tell me about that?

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She bit your dad in the leg? Yep, you heard that.

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Right after stabbing her boyfriend in the
chest, Kimberly then bit his dad in

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the leg. As you would go
on again, So where you set the

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pan on? I don't know what
it's called, Okay, grabbed one of

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them and then across the side of
the head with it, and then with

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some stakes night trying to follow of
being a bathing and the stake by kind

404
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,639
of laughed at her. He took
me out of Berry saying we gotta away

405
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:37,199
from her, took me to my
parents' house. Kimberly was crazy and the

406
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:43,280
cops knew it. They laughed.
When she tried to file a p FA,

407
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,639
which is similar to a restraining order. After a while, she showed

408
00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:54,639
up at his dad's front door paint
down board on followed pif babe you and

409
00:35:54,760 --> 00:36:00,440
told her to stay away, and
they came down and a don I had

410
00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:05,360
left. He had come down because
I guess he was pitched because they wouldn't

411
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,159
flow any charges against me and my
dad would throw her off the property and

412
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,599
went after him and fit into a
little lake. One hell of a mark

413
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:22,920
on play. But Kimberly's ex boyfriend
said that she was prone to sudden and

414
00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:27,719
violent outbursts. We went to a
party one night. She saw a girl

415
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,719
that she didn't fight and just breaking
the liddle of the party, started throwing

416
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,880
hands and that's when I knew I
was done and into holes. Took a

417
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,880
lot of get away from her.
You know, we have her here.

418
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:49,400
She's our main person of interest for
homicide. Yeah, not surprise, and

419
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:55,599
we're looking for any type of behavior
she may have displayed before. If she's

420
00:36:55,599 --> 00:37:00,119
ever talked about it. I'm sure
they told you of hitting her brother.

421
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:06,360
Kimberly had grown up with a brother. When the police called him, he

422
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:12,280
really didn't want to talk and said
he had lost touch with his sister.

423
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,760
But friends remembered how cruel Kimberly was
to her sibling. I'm not sure if

424
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,599
it was whenever they I think whenever
they got out of high school. They

425
00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:27,639
were thanks living together. He was
or and her brother. I'm not sure

426
00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:31,119
if they were living together, but
I know that she ended up getting pissed

427
00:37:31,159 --> 00:37:36,960
off at him, okay, and
she said, I'll get even with you,

428
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,280
and she waited for him to fall
asleep as she hit him over there

429
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:44,920
over the mouth with the baseball plat
and basically just blew all his teeth right

430
00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:51,440
up. Her reasoning behind it was
her dad had passed away and her brother

431
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:55,119
was living in their childhood home because
the mother and the father had already split

432
00:37:55,239 --> 00:38:01,599
up and before he passed, and
he was having parties down there and having

433
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:07,119
all his friends over and felt the
blues tracking the place, sent to creating

434
00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:15,519
the place that was her dat home
and set amy sleeping. Kimberly often had

435
00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:22,400
justifications for doing the crazy things she
did, but she lied all the time

436
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:30,679
to everyone, so it was impossible
to know what was real. Here's Kimberly

437
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,599
at the police station again after her
arrest. If years old, I have

438
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:40,519
fifty, and it doesn't matter who
looks start to seating. Obviously, some

439
00:38:40,599 --> 00:38:45,480
people look done something A little water
doesn't even children I do. I have

440
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:50,280
a son. He is in North
Carolina with his father. That's what got

441
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,760
me going and running again. In
nineteen ninety nine, Choparticular Services snatched him

442
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:58,719
while I was at work from the
basin or and that really setting over the

443
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,119
edge. So they his father by
him. He told me that the judge

444
00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:06,920
told him, or that the judge
said the CPS, why will she give

445
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,199
this man his son? Like why
are you fighting against him? And the

446
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:14,519
judge made him get our son.
And so thankfully my son is twenty years

447
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:17,440
old now. Might haven't seen him
since he was fourteen months old. I'm

448
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,679
very grateful that his father got to
raise him. I did not want him

449
00:39:21,679 --> 00:39:23,599
in foster care. Scared me to
death. I couldn't even understand why they

450
00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:28,400
were when they took him, so
I said me on my last nineteen year

451
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:34,119
run. Some parts of that are
true. Yes, Kimberly has a son

452
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:39,039
named Evan Everett Edwards. It's a
lot of ease, but she has not

453
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:45,119
seen him since he was fourteen months
old. But the reason she hasn't been

454
00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:50,519
in his life is nothing close to
what Kimberly told the cops, my son

455
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:54,400
is Evan Everett's Broke and I was
under the name Christina Burke at the time.

456
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:59,159
They have a name to go on
to day and yep, twenty five

457
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:07,039
years I mentioned and run from Luciergion. Everything not exactly true, according to

458
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:12,679
Tim Edwards, the boy's biological father
and Kimberly's ex husband. When Evan was

459
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:17,679
born in nineteen ninety eight, Kimberly
was living under the name Melissa McKernan,

460
00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:25,719
not Christina Brooke. After Evan was
born, Kimberly started acting crazy and told

461
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:31,480
the neighbors that she thought Evan was
possessed by demons. The neighbors grew concerned

462
00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:37,960
as conversations like this continued, and
eventually the Department of Social Services got involved.

463
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:43,960
When the social worker showed up,
Kimberly got in a fight with her

464
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:49,400
and chased her off the property.
Tim told the police that Kimberly asked him

465
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:55,480
dead serious to kill the Social services
agent. She told him what gun he

466
00:40:55,559 --> 00:41:02,400
should use and how to do it. He refused, but Kimberly became obsessed

467
00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:07,599
with the Social services agent. Later
that week, Kimberly took a three fifty

468
00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:14,960
seven pistol and a taser to the
Social Services office and threatened to kill her

469
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:20,920
caseworker. She was, of course, immediately arrested and thrown in jail.

470
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:24,480
Tim paid the three hundred and fifty
dollars to have her bonded out. That

471
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:30,400
night, Kimberly slept on the couch. In the morning, she was gone

472
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:37,639
and Tim never saw her again.
But here's the kicker. When Tim went

473
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:42,199
to Social Services to get his son
back, he found out that Kimberly had

474
00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:47,039
obtained a second birth certificate for her
son, giving him a new last name.

475
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,840
On the birth certificate, had said
that she had given birth to her

476
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:58,960
son at home, that his name
was Brooke, and she had no idea

477
00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:02,000
who the boys father was. I'm
grateful my son's alive. The while,

478
00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:06,320
I'm so grateful, so grateful.
And then his dad. One of the

479
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:12,280
things this dad did whenever Evan was
like three months old, and I don't

480
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,880
even know while I think he was
on drives, he always said he wasn't.

481
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,639
Then he acted so wild and his
dad took us and he was just

482
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,679
acting kind of crazy and he's like, give me othern It was at night,

483
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,679
and I'm like, for what.
But he was never even interested in

484
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:29,840
the baby before. It's like nine
o'clock at night. I'm like, we'll

485
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,880
give a baby. I'm like,
for what. And he goes to like

486
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:36,039
grab him and I'm like, he's
three months old. You can't wrestle over

487
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:38,599
a three month old. They're fragile. I'm like what. And he just

488
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:44,440
took his head and like pushed it
up and I didn't want to like resisting

489
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,880
because it's the baby. He pushed
his head into my head. I'm not

490
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:51,880
very hard, but it made him
cry and I'm like, what are you

491
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,360
doing? Like he just did that, and I was it was the only

492
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,119
thing that he ever did it.
You know, it was like nasty.

493
00:42:58,199 --> 00:43:02,159
But I'm like, I'm gonna call
the gong with you and he just tid

494
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:12,800
But so here here's the thing.
After Kimberly was arrested and outed to the

495
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,360
media, Tim and Evan were contacted. They laid low, but Evan did

496
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:22,960
give this statement. I would like
to say, I really don't want to

497
00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:29,280
be contacted about this or associated with
this at all. I'm not going to

498
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,559
talk to them. I just don't
want to be associated with her, her

499
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:38,280
family or anything that is remotely connected
to her. It seemed like Kimberly had

500
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:45,039
made an impression on everyone she met. She would often go to churches and

501
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:51,199
try to make friends. Here's a
Mayo clinic doctor she rented a room from

502
00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:55,039
that she met through church. She
showed up to our church one day.

503
00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:02,440
Oh no, say said she was
running of town. She made it a

504
00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:07,920
place to stay. There was a
there was a there's a bit of a

505
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:15,519
sad story that we heard, and
she said that she was a credible person,

506
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:21,599
and so she she was directed to
meet somehow because we have apartments,

507
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:27,480
and so I I. We gave
her an apartment for a while. She

508
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:37,280
her lifestyle was bizarre. She was
very eclusive. She had no furniture and

509
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:42,000
apartment. She would not allow me
to give her furniture. You know that

510
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:45,239
if I came up to that went
around or to help her in anyway,

511
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:55,079
she would repeatedly uh. She she
had a significant amount of paranoia and delusional

512
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:02,159
mental activity came her, refused any
furniture and slept in a sleeping bag on

513
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:08,559
the floor in an empty apartment.
She would hear things seemingly outside the apartment

514
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:14,280
building that she would call the police
as thinking it was me coming after her.

515
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:20,679
She accused me of going into her
apartment when she was not there and

516
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:27,480
urinating on her sleeping bit. Kimberly
was nuts. The police interviewed about twenty

517
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:32,039
of her ex boyfriends and they all
had a strange tale to tell. She

518
00:45:32,199 --> 00:45:37,360
bragged to one boyfriend that she knew
how to dispose a body without being caught.

519
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:43,280
She made another boyfriend take off his
pants every time he got home from

520
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:49,599
work so he wouldn't leave the house
without her. Another boyfriend said she threatened

521
00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:52,639
to cause her own miscarriage by jumping
up and down in the middle of their

522
00:45:52,760 --> 00:46:00,440
street and punching herself in the stomach. She beat men with frying pants,

523
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:06,960
heavy ashtrays, and of course her
fists. She threatened suicide all the time.

524
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:12,559
And Kimberly is really the type of
person that makes me not miss dating

525
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:20,320
like at all. Oh and one
more thing. Every boyfriend reported that Kimberly

526
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:27,480
absolutely hated her mother. Well,
the media did track down her mother and

527
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:35,400
yes, you guessed it, she
too was you know, an interesting character.

528
00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:40,800
Don't forget this is a woman who
reported her daughter missing after eight years

529
00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:47,400
of not seeing her. But Kimberly's
ex husband confirmed that she did visit when

530
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:54,159
they lived together, and missus Kessler
knew her daughter was alive. Here's Connie

531
00:46:54,280 --> 00:47:00,079
Kessler telling the local news how distraught
she is to find out her daughter is

532
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:05,880
in jail. People can snap it, of course, I'd say, no,

533
00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:12,159
I can't even fathom such a thing. Just kind of left hanging wondering

534
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,639
what's what's going to happen. Connie
said, Kimberly really lost it when her

535
00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:22,400
son, Evan, was taken from
her by his father. We all know

536
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,000
that this is not what happened.
My daughter went in search of him,

537
00:47:27,199 --> 00:47:29,800
and that was the reason that she
changed her name in the first place,

538
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,519
so that she could go back to
Virginia to look for Evan. Evan and

539
00:47:32,679 --> 00:47:37,440
Tim Edwards were so upset when they
caught Kimberly's mother on television telling these lies.

540
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:44,840
Tim contacted the station to make sure
they knew the truth they reported it.

541
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,719
It was becoming clear to the police
that if you crossed Kimberly Kessler,

542
00:47:50,679 --> 00:47:54,239
she left not only a mark,
but a deep scar. I've been that

543
00:47:54,440 --> 00:48:00,920
year since I was a kid.
I actually done professional the license like four

544
00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:05,039
years ago. I guess it works
well if you're moving on her moving around

545
00:48:05,079 --> 00:48:07,360
a lot. I guess now you
can make tables or whatever. I have

546
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:13,039
driven tractor and trailer, which I
did a Virginia Beach, Virginia. I

547
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:16,360
mentioned I wanted in Pennsyvillania, Virginia, and Arizona. I also had a

548
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:22,719
real estate license of the Arizona one. Snider thought to myself, I'm gonna

549
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:27,599
make money. Well, no,
it requires like a special blessing from God.

550
00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:30,360
It also requires help. But I
noticed in the last twenty five years

551
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:35,199
of being on my own, I, especially after my son was taken,

552
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,039
I didn't let anybody get really too
close to you. I did get into

553
00:48:37,199 --> 00:48:42,239
abusive relationships that was foolish, and
then I really kept everybody on sleeve,

554
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,400
but never really let to make people
get close to beat. It is virtually

555
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:51,320
impossible to take care of oneself by
yourself. Notice how this line of questioning

556
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:57,360
started with the cops asking her about
cutting hair, and kimberly cleverly steered the

557
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:02,400
conversation away from that and into the
topic that didn't involve Jolene Cummings at all.

558
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:07,239
That's one of my first relationships in
Arizona. He was actually he robbed

559
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:15,159
banks and I was working. I
was working as a topless dancer, and

560
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:21,880
that was before my truck driving debute. So I did that just for a

561
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,800
little while. Just I love to
dance, and I just I don't know.

562
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,760
I was young, and you know
why, why did you hear?

563
00:49:34,599 --> 00:49:38,840
Yes, I'm being accused. You
accused me. The other night You're like,

564
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:43,639
where's Joline at so? And I
did not know where she is.

565
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:50,480
Kimberly wasn't saying a word about Joelene
or where she was. While one patch

566
00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:53,400
of detectives was tasked with hunting down
anyone who knew Kimberly in the past,

567
00:49:54,239 --> 00:50:00,559
the other group tried to figure out
where Joelene's body was, retracing her steps

568
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:07,199
on the weekend of her disappearance.
A big break came when detectives got some

569
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:14,119
security footage that showed Kimberly taking out
two large, heavy trash bags and dumping

570
00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:20,519
them into a bin behind a wing
restaurant near Tangles. These were not just

571
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:28,000
regular salon trash bags. Kimberly had
to swing the heavy bags to get them

572
00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:36,400
into the shoulder height bin. These
bags were filled with something or someone heavier

573
00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:39,920
than garbage from a hair salon.
Can we just go through when we worked

574
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,480
with her on that Saturday, So
I can is or anything you tell me

575
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:50,920
that she ever talked to you about
a boyfriend, a boyfriend she had talked

576
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,360
about him by Shooster. She ever
same thing that would that she wanted to

577
00:50:54,440 --> 00:51:00,440
run away and get away from a
doll. I don't remember hearing any She

578
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:04,880
would have different conversations sometimes with different
clients, because different clients. You don't

579
00:51:05,039 --> 00:51:07,199
tell every clients, you know what
I mean, Like but the one line,

580
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:13,559
but one, the one I would
the one I told you and one

581
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:19,039
listen it she she was saying CPS
came to her house. She was telling

582
00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:22,480
one Knefrid. I caught a little
blick of it in between listen YouTube and

583
00:51:22,519 --> 00:51:25,639
the phone ringing and and she I
remember hear her say she thought her her

584
00:51:25,679 --> 00:51:29,480
ex husband or her husband was doing
to get out of paying child support.

585
00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:31,559
That's all I heard. And I
don't remember ever hearing about the boyfriend ever.

586
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:35,880
But then again I don't always really
pay attention. And as I told

587
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,719
you before, miss Anne, she
really like talks in this hand like her

588
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,360
and the Sad would go out back
and they slipped. Sarah said, I

589
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,360
set out back sometimes for a while
and they would even forget that their clients

590
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:46,079
were it. I'd have to go
to the back and be like, hey,

591
00:51:46,519 --> 00:51:50,599
your clients are here, because they
would get so involved and talks.

592
00:51:51,199 --> 00:51:54,440
So I don't know as much as
you know, maybe miss Anne. And

593
00:51:54,599 --> 00:51:59,000
honestly, whenever I first started,
she would tell me, you know,

594
00:51:59,079 --> 00:52:00,960
I don't even remember she started telling
you some things. I would be like,

595
00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:06,599
I'm off the person. I can't
give you anything. Who she was

596
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:12,760
hanging around with her any time she
should like, you know, the time

597
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,719
or two she'd say I was the
one home to have a quiet night at

598
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,559
home, or like I don't have
the kids to night, or you know

599
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,559
whatever. I's going to enjoy this. And they'd be like, you're young.

600
00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:22,679
Why do'st she go out? She's
like, no, I don't need

601
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,199
a name of my life. He
or she had a boyfriend. I didn't

602
00:52:25,199 --> 00:52:31,199
even know that. Additional footage from
a local Walmart showed Kimberly purchasing large trash

603
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:39,639
bags, cleaning supplies, and an
electric carving knife at a fishing and boating

604
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:46,559
store called West Marine. An employee
remembered ringing up zip ties for Kimberly before

605
00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:52,719
Joelene disappeared. Well She started immediately
to talk to me, and she said,

606
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:58,760
wow, you look really nice.
You're really dressed up fancy. But

607
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:04,880
it was not really a particular comment
compliment. I would say, it was

608
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,639
a little unusual, kind of oddish
demeanor of the way she said that,

609
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,880
And I just said, oh,
well, thank you. How did it

610
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,679
make you feel? I kind of
had like a question mark in my mind,

611
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,000
like, WHOA, I wonder why
she's saying that she bought a package

612
00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:27,639
of zip ties? Did that strike
you as ununusual? I thought to myself,

613
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,960
why is she buying these here at
West Marine? She wasn't coming in

614
00:53:30,039 --> 00:53:36,039
to get any other kind of boating
or fishing products or anything to go with

615
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:37,840
them. And I thought to myself, why wouldn't she be buying these at

616
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:43,760
Walmart or home depot or somewhere.
She didn't seem like a fishing person type,

617
00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:49,199
not particularly. I mean, I
couldn't really judge her by particularly that

618
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:54,199
way, But no, not not
really. Do you remember anything about what

619
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:59,039
type of zip ties these? By
zipties? You mean what we call cable

620
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:02,960
ties or or the things that are
used to tie something together and slip it

621
00:54:04,039 --> 00:54:07,679
correct? Correct? Remember? I
just remember it was a larger package.

622
00:54:08,199 --> 00:54:12,800
I wouldn't say real sick, but
it was a long type of a package

623
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,840
maybe so they were the longest zip
times notes. Yes, I would say

624
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:21,920
the package that we had them in
where I was like fifteen to eighteen inches

625
00:54:22,039 --> 00:54:28,480
long. Further security footage from a
local gas station showed Kimberly around one thirty

626
00:54:28,599 --> 00:54:36,599
am the evening Joline disappeared. Kimberly
had dropped Joline's car at a home depot

627
00:54:36,679 --> 00:54:42,039
at one seventeen am, then headed
to the gas station, where she got

628
00:54:42,159 --> 00:54:46,559
friendly with the cashier. Yeah,
she had me a call her a taxi

629
00:54:47,039 --> 00:54:51,840
she had to call her attacks.
Yeah, can you tell me what your

630
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:57,400
conversation was with her? She said
something about how she was out with a

631
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:02,079
couple of friends drinking. One of
the friends ex boyfriends came around. There's

632
00:55:02,199 --> 00:55:06,079
been some kind of promise. She
adn't go into detail for it much after

633
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,760
that, And to be honest,
I don't even know how she got to

634
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:15,000
the store because she hadn't calor at
taxi and then what ten fifteen minutes later,

635
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:17,199
shoes gone, The taxi camp picked
her up, took her, say,

636
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:22,280
she said, somewhere to like a
plant fitness over the last few months

637
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:27,920
while employed at Tangles, Kimberly had
been living in her car. She had

638
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:32,199
a membership to Planet Fitness and use
the gym to shower and get ready for

639
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:39,119
work. But Kimberly was crazy,
so she got into fights with the employees

640
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:47,519
and other patrons regularly. Planet Fitness
had enough and revoked her membership. You

641
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:52,639
have to be next level batshit to
get your membership to Planet Fitness taken away.

642
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:58,599
Trust me on that. I mean, you got to be really really

643
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,440
really really nuts. Put it to
that way. They don't cancel those memberships

644
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,679
voluntarily. She looked like she had
a red mark on her face was it

645
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:13,239
wasn't like much, but it didn't
look like someone that hit her. Maybe

646
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,840
it like, you know, grabbed
her by the face or pushed her or

647
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:20,519
something like that. Another thing we
forgot to mention. When she was arrested,

648
00:56:20,639 --> 00:56:23,320
Kimberly had a big gash on her
face and cuts all over her hands.

649
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:29,360
First she said she hit a tree
and hit her head while she was

650
00:56:29,679 --> 00:56:34,760
riding her bike. Then she told
cops the gashes were from bedbugs. What

651
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:39,400
else did she say about them being
out earlier? Nothing? She went into

652
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:45,039
this really weird conversation about what meth
does to your body. Literally, this

653
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,840
is what most of our conversation was
about. We had called her, she

654
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:52,519
had called the taxi company from my
phone, and she was very irritable with

655
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,400
the people on the phone. Not
that the lady on the phone is being

656
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:01,400
courteous ees, but yeah, she
was easy. She just felt like we

657
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:07,880
need to keep talking. She couldn't
like not talk. Soon, a taxi

658
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:13,280
pulled up and Kimberly left the gas
station. Kimberly had the cab driver drop

659
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,760
her off near her Keia, which
was parked in the same parking lot as

660
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:22,800
a Planet Fitness. The police had
confiscated and did a full examination of Kimberly's

661
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:30,920
phone. Some of the searches before
and after Joline's disappearance included coworker guilty of

662
00:57:31,039 --> 00:57:37,960
murder, missing person, body found, injecting advice, how to use a

663
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:44,719
tourniquet, murder Pedia, victim Pedia, list of female murderers by a country,

664
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:51,760
Florida female murderers, and autopsy.
Joelene Cummings. I have vanished,

665
00:57:52,760 --> 00:58:00,880
no body, no crime my death
space dot com. Now this is probably

666
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:05,320
I'm guessing, similar to the search
history of many of the people listening to

667
00:58:05,719 --> 00:58:13,800
my voice right now, but you
know beyond that. She also googled Joline's

668
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,480
name four hundred and fifty seven times. Here's Kimberly again. So did you

669
00:58:17,559 --> 00:58:22,400
guys ever hang out for her?
Did you ever go anywhere? Yeah?

670
00:58:22,119 --> 00:58:27,280
Okay, she ever allowed to use
your car? And you're a low user

671
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:31,760
card everyone? Where do you ever
play that? The charge you were arresting

672
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:37,000
on is the grand charge? You
knew that correct? Yes? Okay,

673
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:43,480
okay, that was kind of what
else talking with you about the other day.

674
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,320
And the reason you're charging that is
is whenever we talked about that,

675
00:58:49,679 --> 00:58:54,159
there's a video of you dropping her
car off at the homely but apart a

676
00:58:54,199 --> 00:59:00,960
lot there in you leave and walking
across and going into the gay station and

677
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:09,320
getting taxicab back down to They had
lists explains with the background there to where

678
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:15,920
tables is, okay, And that's
why you're in your charge for the grand

679
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,480
dat auto. And I'm not trying
to trick you. I'm not trying to

680
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:22,280
fool You're you're open it up to
me and I'm opening it up to you.

681
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,599
Okay. That's the reason you're charge
for that. You're not sure if

682
00:59:24,599 --> 00:59:30,880
for anything else okay. Without Jolene's
body, the murder weapon, or a

683
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:37,360
confession, they could only charge Kimberly
with grand theft auto. Jolene could be

684
00:59:37,519 --> 00:59:44,079
anywhere. Kimberly could have her tied
up to a tree hanging upside down for

685
00:59:44,199 --> 00:59:49,599
all the police knew. Kimberly was
just that crazy. Though, they couldn't

686
00:59:49,679 --> 00:59:53,719
charge her with anything but grand theft
auto. Just yet. The evidence was

687
00:59:53,840 --> 01:00:01,599
piling up as the police continued their
investigation, having a joy. And you

688
01:00:01,679 --> 01:00:08,719
know, we'd actually sent our cent
our housing it out to process tangles and

689
01:00:09,079 --> 01:00:15,320
there was some eminence there. Okay, we have also the thing there all

690
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,239
should think I've been fooling out.
You know, I just wanted to talk

691
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:21,480
to you, get to know you
a little bit because I think something what's

692
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,159
her name? Something something the unit
why I happened And let me tell you

693
01:00:24,239 --> 01:00:27,960
what we did, okay, because
I just wanted to be honest, because

694
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:34,559
I think something that happened June,
it's going to happen. But we have

695
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:40,000
tag literature car and we actually and
we went out and went to your storage

696
01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:44,719
unit on and we did that all
in the legal basis. We had the

697
01:00:44,719 --> 01:00:49,000
search wars for a while okay.
Since she lived in her car and showered

698
01:00:49,079 --> 01:00:53,239
at Planet Fitness, Kimberly had a
storage unit where she kept her beloved motorcycle

699
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:59,000
and other things she had been carting
around with her. There were various identities

700
01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:05,360
in the storage unit. The police
uncovered traces of Joline's blood. When they

701
01:01:05,519 --> 01:01:10,480
processed Tangles, they found massive amounts
of blood all over the salon. They

702
01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:17,000
also found a pair of Kimberly's haircutting
scissors that were covered in Joline's blood and

703
01:01:17,199 --> 01:01:24,920
DNA. The theory was that Kimberly
killed Joline at Tangles, took her to

704
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:30,440
her storage unit, where she dismembered
her over the course of forty eight hours

705
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:37,159
with the electric carving knife from Walmart, and then she threw her body in

706
01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:42,559
the trash behind the salon when she
returned to work. Kimberly had been planning

707
01:01:42,719 --> 01:01:50,440
to hurt Joline for a while.
We also ever covered your shoes that asked

708
01:01:50,679 --> 01:01:57,960
lanes blow our shoes. So I
just want you to something happen that Judnson

709
01:01:58,119 --> 01:02:05,880
happened I talk to you about.
Police also discovered that Kimberly had manipulated her

710
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:12,199
way into obtaining a key for Tangles
employees from the restaurant across the street.

711
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:16,599
Noticed the lights on at the salon
very late the night Jolene went missing.

712
01:02:17,079 --> 01:02:22,679
Her mommy's other somewhere. Let us
see her very properly or whatever or whatever.

713
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:27,719
Final angels, thank you to take
care. I just want you to

714
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:31,000
think about from them. I've been
here for four ays on which you know,

715
01:02:31,079 --> 01:02:34,599
sixteen eighteen hours a day, because
I'm going to find out where that

716
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,039
there's a little boys, mommy is
I promise I'm going to do that.

717
01:02:38,119 --> 01:02:40,760
You can help me do that,
and you're the one that can make it

718
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:49,480
happen. You're right around No,
you know, and I'm not again whatever

719
01:02:49,639 --> 01:02:58,480
fearing me? Hi you you so
let me reply this and you may not

720
01:02:58,599 --> 01:03:02,079
like the answer I would like legal
castle. I haven't been able to call

721
01:03:02,119 --> 01:03:05,679
anybody. I haven't been able to
call my mom. I see how the

722
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:12,079
worse. As she sat in jail, more charges were added to the grand

723
01:03:12,159 --> 01:03:19,159
theft auto. She was charged with
holding a false passport for Jennifer Seibert's identity

724
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:25,639
theft. With the overwhelming blood evidence
and video footage, Kimberly would soon face

725
01:03:25,719 --> 01:03:32,519
a jury for the murder of Jolene
Cummings. They say everything and everyone crazy

726
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:40,920
resides in Florida, my home state. Well, Florida didn't really see true

727
01:03:40,960 --> 01:04:20,360
crazy until Kimberly Kessler showed up in
the NASA County court. Kimberly Kessler had

728
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:28,679
been on the run her entire life
under seventeen different aliases before she landed herself

729
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:33,840
a hair dressing job at the Tangle
Salon in Yulee, Florida. Wherever the

730
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:43,079
hell that is, that's right by
the Florida Georgia border. Not surprising anyway.

731
01:04:43,119 --> 01:04:47,440
It was there that she developed a
beef with her co worker Joline Cummings.

732
01:04:48,519 --> 01:04:54,880
Now Kimberly was being charged with Jolene's
murder. At a press conference,

733
01:04:54,960 --> 01:05:00,320
Joline's mother made one last cry for
help from the public as a job close

734
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:04,800
to day nine that I reported my
daughter missing. Sunday was a special day,

735
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:09,960
not only for Mother's Day, but
it was her birthday. She was

736
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:15,880
born on Mother's Day. God gave
me this special blessing. After my firstborn

737
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:24,880
infant son, Richard, was buried. We are all heartbroken. My daughter

738
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:31,039
was a loving mother to her children. Her children were her life. I

739
01:05:31,199 --> 01:05:38,800
need you, the news, the
public to help cist the law enforcement agencies

740
01:05:39,239 --> 01:05:43,719
to be their ears, to be
their eyes. Someone out there, someone

741
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:48,880
out there, knows something. I
beg you. I beang you as a

742
01:05:49,000 --> 01:06:00,679
mother to please keep coming forward with
any information that you have, no matter

743
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:08,280
how small. Help with any possibilities
they could help low keep my daughter,

744
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:15,599
for her, my three grandchildren who
miss her so much. The FBI searched

745
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:19,840
through the chess Or landfill and tried
to find the trash bags they thought contained

746
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:26,920
Joline's body parts. They sent out
dogs and horses, as well as teams

747
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:31,920
of experts to try to find her
remains. They found nothing. In jail,

748
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:39,800
Kimberly started to unravel. At first, she talked openly with other inmates

749
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:45,159
about her life and crimes, but
after a year of incarceration, she began

750
01:06:45,239 --> 01:06:51,800
obsessing over her defense lawyer. She
was convinced that he was Joline's cousin and

751
01:06:51,880 --> 01:07:00,400
would explode at every hearing. Spoiler
alert, The lawyer was not Joline's cousin.

752
01:07:00,039 --> 01:07:03,280
But I probably didn't have to tell
you that we may want to put

753
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:10,239
her on mute while we finished this, judge, It's fine myself. I

754
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:17,480
was to get rid of the public
Defender's office. Yeah, exactly. Jordan

755
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:24,599
Beard is Johnson's nephew. Jordan Beard
is Jolia's cousin. Jordan Beard is Johnson's

756
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:32,760
nephew. Jordan Beard is Jolie Cumming's
cousin. Jordan Beard Jolian Cuny Jolijordian Beard

757
01:07:33,679 --> 01:07:42,039
is Jolie's cousin. Jordan Beard is
Jolie Cumming's cousin. For Jordan Beard is

758
01:07:42,239 --> 01:07:48,400
Jolie's cousin, and I views this
is all I have. Kessler screamed about

759
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:54,400
her attorney every chance she got,
but the judge still deemed her fit to

760
01:07:54,599 --> 01:08:00,119
stand trial, and jail inmates reported
that Kimberly would often pretend to talk on

761
01:08:00,239 --> 01:08:05,440
the phone, but no one would
be on the other line. The only

762
01:08:05,559 --> 01:08:11,599
person who would talk with her was
her mom. Hello, I didn't get

763
01:08:11,679 --> 01:08:17,159
to say goodbye. It just connected
me. I think you can call me

764
01:08:17,239 --> 01:08:21,680
any day. That was a colony
until they actually forced me to hang up,

765
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:25,079
but I don't really want to,
you know, make them mad.

766
01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:28,960
I haven't even done anything wrong,
and then you treat me pretty bad,

767
01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:33,520
so bailed me out under my means
that I'm going under, which is Jennifer

768
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:38,960
Marty Fibers. And then eventually everything's
all going to come together. But you

769
01:08:39,039 --> 01:08:42,520
know it's my real name, kim
Kessler. But just you know, go

770
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,520
about it, you know, jumped
through the hoops like, okay, well

771
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:49,439
you can bail you out under Jennifer. Yeah, because that's all what they

772
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:55,640
arrested me under. They don't until
the FBI corrects it. It's going to

773
01:08:55,680 --> 01:09:00,600
be Jennifer. So yes night and
said, oh my god, we're not

774
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:06,039
going to they don't correct they will. You just put the money up for

775
01:09:06,159 --> 01:09:11,000
Jennifer Marie Cybert. I gave you
my social I gave you my data birth,

776
01:09:11,119 --> 01:09:14,119
I gave you the name my name, which is you know, my

777
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:18,159
alias or whatever, so that I've
been living under it for nineteen years.

778
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:25,239
You're all set. Oh my god, I were You're warm? Are you

779
01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:28,520
sleep an eye? Can they give
me a blanket? Now? Of course?

780
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:33,840
Terrible and the jail bail for Kimberly
was originally set at five hundred thousand

781
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:39,760
dollars. Needless to say, her
mother, the mother that had waited eight

782
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:45,239
years to report her missing, didn't
pay for her bail either. As the

783
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:50,039
trial date drew closer, Kimberly began
starving herself. When she was arrested,

784
01:09:50,159 --> 01:09:56,319
Kimberly was a plump woman, put
it that way, but she went on

785
01:09:56,399 --> 01:10:00,319
a hunger strike for months and lost
nearly sixty pounds. Do a Google search,

786
01:10:00,359 --> 01:10:05,199
she's unrecognizable. She was in and
out of the hospital due to her

787
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:11,720
extreme weight loss. She also began
fighting with the staff and the jail.

788
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:16,479
She would scream and yell into the
night. I'm sure the other inmates really

789
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:21,720
appreciated that. Sometimes she would take
a dump in her cell and throw the

790
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:28,800
feces all over the walls at the
corrections officers. It was reported that Kimberly

791
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:34,079
cost the taxpayers an additional two hundred
and fifteen thousand dollars because of her medical

792
01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:42,039
costs, suicide watch, transportation,
and food. She made jail worse than

793
01:10:42,119 --> 01:10:49,560
a living hell for everyone in the
building. Imagine making jail worse. Kimberly

794
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:55,880
also acted out at all the hearings, all of them. Here's how a

795
01:10:55,960 --> 01:11:03,159
typical one went in the day of
the last day that he stayed in evidence

796
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:12,800
afforded the ottes evidence days. So
sure to compare that, stay here,

797
01:11:14,399 --> 01:11:17,960
right, Sure, I stay here, and I'm going to say what I

798
01:11:18,119 --> 01:11:24,600
want when I want. How I
was you silence me years? You silenced

799
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:29,479
me for years, so let everyone
know the suggest aim of the icebergs.

800
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:35,159
Jordan here couples the thunder is Jolder
among his cousin brother Josh. Yeah,

801
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:39,880
he swept it under the run for
three and a half year as well with

802
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:45,880
her mother or sun Dad, who
runs the jail recently retired, he sailed

803
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:51,000
us in. It took almost two
years for Kimberly's murder trial, and due

804
01:11:51,079 --> 01:11:59,079
to her psychotic behavior at hearings and
repeated outbursts about Jolene's relatives, he was

805
01:11:59,159 --> 01:12:02,680
not allowed to be present for a
single day of it. Instead, she

806
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:10,119
stayed in her cell on suicide watch, planning when she could throw the next

807
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fist full of feces. This was
now Kimberly's life. Not surprisingly, Kimberly

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Kessler was convicted of the first degree
murder of Joline Cummings. She was sentenced

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to life in prison without the possibility
of parole. Sheriff Leeper, who had

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worked diligently on the investigation, said
this to the media. I don't for

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one second believe that Kimberly Kessler,
or whatever name she's going by today,

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I don't believe this is her first
murder. I don't at all After Kimberly

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was taken from the jail to her
new permanent home, the staff celebrated with

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ice cream and cake that read incarceration
relocation Celebration. They posted a picture of

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all the correctional officers smiling with their
forks filled with cake. Good riddance,

816
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:21,199
justice has been served. Everything that
came to me through Jolie Jolian was here,

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01:13:23,359 --> 01:13:29,039
regardless of the life sentence. Joeyne's
mother had one last request for Kimberly.

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Where are the remains of my daughter? Give us some closure. I'm

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asking you from one mother to another. But her request would be forever fruitless.

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Kimberly Kessler was locked away, and
they tossed away the proverbial key.

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Now the only person she'll be ranting
at is herself. Kimberly Kessler is a

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true psychopathic narcissist. Not the kind
of narcissist you may be thinking. Not

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the kind that spends too much time
on Twitter waiting for replies from some clever

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01:14:30,079 --> 01:14:33,600
post. They wrote, not that
kind of narcissist, but the real kind.

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01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:42,279
Kimberly Kessler is a case study on
what happens when mental illness meets pure

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evil. She is a selfish,
delusional liar with no regard for human life,

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not even her own. Joline Cummings
was the ultimate victim. She didn't

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know who she was dealing with.
She thought, this Jennifer chick, it's

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01:15:01,039 --> 01:15:05,600
just a little off, and you
know, she's a hairdresser, so she's

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01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:12,920
curious. Everybody knows hair dressers are
curious. Joe Lene had a good instinct

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when everyone else at the salon was
oblivious to the signs. But that suspicious

832
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:30,840
instinct would prove deadly. What's the
saying curiosity killed the cat? There's a

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01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:36,319
reason that saying exists. I like
to think that Joe Lene fought. She

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01:15:36,399 --> 01:15:42,239
didn't back down when Kimberly lunged at
her with a pair of scissors. Kimberly

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01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:47,039
kicked and punched and scratched and screamed, but in the end she lost.

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01:15:48,319 --> 01:15:56,680
Kimberly was bigger, stronger, and
much crazier than anyone could have ever suspected.

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01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:02,359
Who would have thought that this chubby, oddball hairdresser and yoga pants could

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01:16:02,399 --> 01:16:11,960
be capable of such a heinous affair. Maybe one day Joelene's body will be

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01:16:12,079 --> 01:16:18,479
found, but there's still hope.
However, for now, her family and

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01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:26,319
her children can finally rest knowing that
her killer will be locked up forever and

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01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:32,680
nobody, not a single human being
on earth gives a shit whether Kimberly lives

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01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:54,279
or dies in that cell. All
right, that does it. Thank you

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01:16:54,359 --> 01:16:57,319
for joining us. If you haven't
checked out plus Sword and Scale dot com,

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01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:00,239
slash plus is where to go.
Until next time, I stay safe.

845
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:48,680
Hello sort of Scale podcast. I
am a listener for a very long

846
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,880
time. Actually, I think I've
been listening to the show for almost four

847
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:58,520
years, and I have to say
that the things that people say about the

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01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:02,359
host are insanely hilarious. I mean, I've seen all the hate that has

849
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:06,800
transpired with this podcast for a very
long time, and I just really don't

850
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:14,279
understand. Why is it that people
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851
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:18,119
It's it just fat women on the
internet trying to fucking I don't know,

852
01:18:19,239 --> 01:18:23,199
they don't have anything else to do
other than talk to me about a

853
01:18:23,239 --> 01:18:26,439
podcast. It's insane. Anyway,
I just wanted to tell you guys that

854
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:30,399
you guys are actually pretty great and
it's one of the podcasts that I've listened

855
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:34,039
to for a very long time,
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01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:40,520
so thank you, and what the
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01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:43,039
anything better to do. They feel
so sorry for them.