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Well Whiskey coming game, Pay Money
Don't From Powerline blog dot com and produced

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by Ricochet dot Com. This is
the Three Whiskey Happy Hour with your bartenders,

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Steve Hayward, John You and power
Lines International Woman of Mystery Lucretia.

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Thank gotta giving. Let that whiskey
clone when you're feeling in love, down

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and load. Good morning everybody,
and welcome to the Three Whiskey Happy Hour.

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It actually is morning uh in three
Whiskey Happy Hour Land for uh John

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You and Steve Hayward and Lucretia,
the International Woman of Mystery. Because we

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are actually recording on Saturday morning.
Uh, first time we could get together.

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We need to have different co hosts
who have no live so we can

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schedule this at the same time every
week. Well, we were all on

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the road this week, right,
so it was every Good morning, gentlemen.

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Yeah, good morning, right,
good morning? What a week?

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Good grief, which that also means
that I'm drinking coffee. I thought about

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putting some Irish whiskey in it,
but I'm just drinking coffee this morning.

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What about you, guys? Same. I got too much to do today

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to start off with my usual glorious
Irish whiskey coffee. Unfortunately, you know,

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I'm I'm enslaved to this German coffee
machine that was built into my house

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by the previous occupants who were their
typical San Francisco over caffeinated but a teetotal

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ink couple who probably were yoga teachers
and you know, you know, abuse

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instructor, abuse counselors. So there's
this machine made by this German company.

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All it does is give me orders. Ali wants coffee, but says clean

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this empty wash this every like five
I've cut. But I gotta admit it

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makes the best coffee I've ever had
in a house. I have a Swiss

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Swiss one that does the same thing. Or but you know, if you

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think about it, if it's an
automatic coffee machine, and it does make

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coffee automatically, you know, grinds
the beans and makes you whatever you ask

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for and all of those sorts of
things. I get mad, like you

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do, but being ordered around by
it. But at the same time it's

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actually you know, when you want
a cup of coffee, you push a

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button and you get a cup of
coffee. Right, Is that how yours

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works? Yeah? Well, it
gives you ten different options of coffee.

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You know, I wish they had
a voice command so it could yell at

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me in German accent at English.
So then you know, but then I

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think Steve's BMW does that. So
so the three hoidy toyy coffee break,

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that's what we're going to be from
now on. Okay, back to back

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to real important stuff. Start off
by talking about the s FTU, I

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mean the state of Yeah, shut
up, he explained, Yes, all

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right, what do you guys have
to say about that? Well, first

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of all, Hunter Biden now knows
what happened to his stash at the White

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House that disappeared. His dad took
it for the speech. I thought,

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maybe he got that. Biden got
a hold of whatever it is that that

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John you takes to be the super
superman that he is. Seventeen squash games,

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forty law review articles, and time
for a three whiskey happy hour.

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That's that's just his extreme youth and
the experience that that's what comes from that.

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You mean coke zero zero zero?
You know, Steve, Steve and

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I were at a we were in
heaven because we were in Florida together right

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last week, and we went to
Chick fil A and they had coke zero.

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They had That's Heaven Chick fil A
and the unlimited refill Coke zero.

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Yeah, I went to a Chick
fil A in a restaurant, I mean,

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and excuse me in the airport on
the way out to Pepper and U.

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It was terrible. The chicken was
burned. I couldn't even chew through

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the It's the only time in my
entire life I've ever gotten bad Chick fil

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A. But is the airport?
Yes, you know, something must be

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going wrong because I actually had,
for the first time ever, some bad

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fried chicken from Popeyes not long ago, which stunned me because Popeyes is usually

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the best in the verse. Probably
right, Well, that gets back to

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right. Yeah, I do have
to ask you question opening with Ukraine even

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Okay, let's just leave aside our
differences on that whole thing. Does anybody

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think that Americans first concern is whether
or not we fund Ukraine? I mean,

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seriously, guys, why who on
earth said open with that? I

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mean, if I'm the average voter, I'm turning it off at that point,

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if I had any interest in watching
it in the first place. I

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think there's two reasons. Well,
the main reason. Forget two reasons.

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The main reason was he pivoted almost
immediately to an attack on Trump and told

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a lie I'm going to make a
broader point about rampant dishonesty at the end

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of the show if we have time. But you know, he said Ukraine,

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and what did my predecessor say.
He's told Putin just do whatever the

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hell you want. That's not what
Trump said. What Trump said when I

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was president and I was telling these
guys that they're not making their commitments to

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spending for NATO, that if they
don't do that, then I'm gonna just

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say, Putin. These guys aren't
defending themselves. Do what you want.

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Now, maybe a reckless and dodgy
thing for Trump to say. Correct,

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that was past tense, and by
the way, it worked, most of

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the NATO companies countries have stepped up
and are starting to pay their commitment of

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two percent of GDP. And you
know that Trump's like that, we sort

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of know that this was a completely
dishonest distortion, not for the first time,

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like you know, Biden's been going
on for years about the fine people

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on both sides lie about Charlottesville.
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with though there are opinion polls that
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giving a to Ukraine. However,
I think that's probably weak support, and

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you see other surveys that give you
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to take seriously the FDR parallel,
you would go back and note that in

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the late thirties Roosevelt was concerned about
the growing menace in Europe, but he

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also could read the early opinion polls. He was quietly consulted, very quietly.

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They snuck in George Gallup, a
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not on the White House logs,
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on public opinion about our involvement in
Europe. Our public was very wary about

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that, and so Roosevelt tried something
old fashioned persuasion. We still haven't had

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a speech from Biden or any of
the senior people, not even from Blincoln,

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who can't persuade anybody. I don't
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or statement about what is the strategy, why is this in our interest?

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Why do we need to do that. Our opinion is irrelevant to the fact

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that if a president makes a case, sometimes you bring the public with you,

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and then Congress will respond they don't
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malpractice. I think in additional before
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Steve, you should explain that for
our listeners, or I will explain quickly

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that it's pretty obvious that Biden has
an FDR complex, that he somehow believes

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that he, like FDR, is
going to save the world from Hitler.

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But now Hitler is putin and you
know that silly nonsense in the speech,

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belied it all. But just in
case anybody didn't make that connection, John,

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I agree with you guys that he's
trying to compare himself to some great

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past president. But I think the
better model for him is not FDR.

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And I was trying to remember if
Biden, yeah, Biden would have been

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alive for this speech. I think
what he was aiming for totally fail.

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But what he's aiming for is Truman. Right, So if if who is

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he like? He's like Truman?
After World War Two, America also wants

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to reduce spending, wants to you
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anymore? And remember Truman gives this
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and Turkey, right, and you
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tired of war. But you know, I wasn't around for the speech.

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I think Biden is a kid.
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have TV, but he might have
read about the speech is like what he

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would have been like four or five. And historians say Truman really helped turn

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the country around, and you know
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War, but we had to stop
the Soviets. I bet that's what his

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speech writers were thinking of. I
don't think Biden Biden. I thought you

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were going to say, modeling himself
after Pee Wee Herman. Yeah. No.

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And I also think about the election, right, like he hopes,

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he hopes this is like the forty
eight election. Right, He's way behind,

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people don't like him, and somehow, somehow he squeaks out a reelection

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that no one anticipates. You know, you could see Biden in a famous

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picture. You know, it'll be
like the Chicago tribute. You know,

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Trump wins. Yeah. But by
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let's work with that per minute though, because I think I think you have

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pointed out the right model. I
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mind, or they would have really
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Just very briefly, you go back
to nineteen seventy nine and Reagan was

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giving speech as saying, Jimmy Carter's
Salt Treaty reminds me of Neville Chamberlain tapping

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his umbrella on the cobblestones. Reagan's
political advisor said, Governor, I think

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you shouldn't use that historical analogy.
It's too long ago. People don't know

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what it means. And Reagan,
of course wouldn't drop it because I think

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enough people did remember what it meant. Well, now it is forty five

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years later and it really is too
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by coincidence, just this week,
back at the Victims of Communism Foundation conference

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I was at in Washington, we
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and the Iron Curtain speech. Just
very quickly, if you know that story,

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Truman took Churchill back to Missouri on
the train. They're drinking whiskey by

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the way, playing cards, Truman
warning, what's that was it? Morning

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morning? They were recording it tougher
than we are well recording right, If

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you count if you count morning as
after midnight, I'm sure the answer is

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yes. But look that Truman read
the speech the Churchill prepared, said he

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loved it, endorsed every part of
it. When Churchill's giving that speech,

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Truman is on stage smiling about it. The reaction against it from the left,

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and I'll skip over that was so
volcanic that Truman distanced himself from the

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speech. And by the way,
he didn't I didn't know that. Yes,

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that's a very interesting story. And
he did that for prudential reasons.

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He knew that public opinion was not
quite ready to commit to this broad Cold

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War containment business, and so his
major speeches came some months later. But

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the point is Truman did understand,
as I was saying of FDR in the

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late thirties, that you need a
sustained exercise and persuasion. If Biden had

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given a speech that said, you
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we were in in the after World
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it changed landscape, and we have
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He didn't do that. He used
Ukraine. It's only to set up a

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club to beat Trump with. And
and then lie about it. So and

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that was it all went downhill from
there, right god mm hmmm. Well,

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so back to Biden's speech, I
thought, you know, everybody joked

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on our side of the aisle about
what the fact checkers would do. So

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I went to the uh, you
know, the obvious place to see what

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the fact checkers would do. I
couldn't even read through the political one,

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but I did read CNN's or the
PolitiFact. That's sorry enough, pardon me.

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So. So their their overall summary
for their fact check of Biden's SFTU

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was it was mostly accurate, but
there were some claims mostly accurate, a

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smattering of claims were false, misleading, or lacking key context. Okay,

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even CNN couldn't come out and say, this guy's telling the truth. He

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talked, you know, he lied
about the deficit, He lied about corporate

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tax revenues being so great from his
fifteen percent tax. He lied about COVID

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nineteen deaths. Okay, lied,
misled. Most of the deaths occurred actually

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under Biden's regime, not under Trump's. He lied about all the money we're

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bringing in from billionaire taxes, and
you know, just on and on and

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on the tripe about the border,
and we can come back to the whole

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issue about the border. But did
he really think that he was going to

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convince people that it was all Republicans'
fault that we have the situation that's there

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at the border, And then I
want to ask that first question. Then

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I want you, one of you
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illegal that killed lankoln Riley John were
risk well, so, I you know,

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if you read the press accounts of
the speech, you'd think, right,

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you saw that, oh, brilliant
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show he's vigorous. Again. God, that wasn't the speech I saw.

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And as you say, Lucretia filled
with I mean, just pretend you thought

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everything in the speech was true,
which is we're going through now is clearly

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not the case. But just the
delivery of it was terrible, Like he

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you know, yeah, he heard
these lines that he was supposed to deliver

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and he would stumble and stop in
the middle of him. I mean,

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it was it was like a parody
of a State of the Union address.

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So I'm not surprised he got facts
wrong throughout. It was embarrassing that when

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he did, you know, deviate
from the script. He couldn't get the

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name right of the terrible of the
young woman terribly killed in Georgia by illegal

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alien, but then he used the
word illegal, which you know, showed

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that right. What he really does
think is what most Americans think, But

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he has trouble, I don't know, putting it into his sensitivity awareness translator

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computer and the right thing out.
The right way is that the Identity Caucuses

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and the Democratic Party wanted to talk
about stuff. So I want to get

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what Steve has to say about that
too, But I wanted to ask both

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you guys. I sent this to
Steve last week because I had never heard

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it. Miranda Divine in the New
York Post had a piece talking about what

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seems to be much of our theme
today, which is lying, and that

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if they say one thing, they
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say something about their enemies, it's
probably something they're doing. But one of

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the interesting things in her piece was
something that I had never heard, which

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was that when those Navy seals discovered
all of those the trove of documents and

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whatnot from the Obama excuse me,
the Osama bin ladenray, that really wasn't

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a Freudian slip. They discovered that
that Osama had put out orders to all

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of his minions that they were not
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Why because they considered Biden such a
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became president, it would be the
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something happened to Obama. So that
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that? Yeah, No, I
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thought i'd heard that maybe ten years
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and at the time, I don't
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I saw that story. I thought
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this some years ago. But add
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on top of that, Sunday,
since Biden likes ice cream, was Vladimir

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Putin saying what sometime in the last
three four weeks, Oh, I preferred

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Joe Biden be reelected president of the
United States. And I thought, he's

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just pranking us now, right,
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I don't know, Biden probably can't
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over the plate. But I thought
that's pretty funny, and he may believe

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it, by the way, pot
that wouldn't surprise me. Supposedly, the

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quote from the documents is Biden is
totally unprepared for that post, which will

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lead the US into crisis. And
they were given orders to try to kill

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Obama, and they were given orders
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Biden. Yeah, unlike the fully
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it worked. Steve, what was
your thought about the speech? Did you

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watch it? I did, because
I, you know, like everybody,

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the bar had been so low,
I wanted to see if he could clear

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it and if he didn't, how
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a crisis. And look, he
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there's not much to say. I
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but you know why, bother,
it's really shocking how partisan and ideological the

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speech was. It's a campaign speech, and you know, I mean Reagan

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gave pretty ideological State of the Union
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much more careful and prudent way he
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and now and Biden was just angry
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yeah, I think Republicans would have
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Taylor, Greeley, the others,
I think they've been better not interrupting him

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and heckling him. I think they
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guess the beginning of the end of
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about how illegals wouldn't be getting healthcare. I forget that. Joe's something or

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other, right, Joe Wilson,
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know, okay that from from the
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of decorum by calling out the the
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right, and so you know,
and then then we have Nancy Pelosi tearing

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up right. Well, So Biden
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decorum of allowing Mike Johnson, Speaker
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he comes in half an hour late
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should we just demand that this and
it's a huge expensive thing. It was

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a campaign speech. He didn't actually
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times did he refer to his predecessor. Yeah, and so I think we

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should just we should go back to
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the Union address on a piece of
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that and stop allowing the State of
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kind of partisan purposes. I totally
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of this issue is how he treated
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filled with all these slips and slides
and mistakes. I don't know how many

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people focused on the fact that he
basically right, he said something with all

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due respect, and then he said
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Supreme Court you're going to learn how
about the political power women. It's the

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most bizarre, you know, attack
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You know they're going because they support
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them in that position, I wouldn't
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yeah, oh, I was about
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mean, I would have wanted them
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mister president, what is a woman? No, I think they should stop

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coming, because you know they do
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coming. You remember Alita was the
one who who Now that's not true to

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Obama ten twelve years ago that he
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being attacked, right, I think
they shouldn't come. I think that would

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send a signal up. Yeah we've
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I thought that's surprised. I can't
remember what they did the year after Obama

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attacked them, but I think that
you know, they could send one.

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It would be like a designated survivor, right right, yeah, right,

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like you they have to send anyone. No, No, I don't think

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so. I mean they always done
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for the as I said, for
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Biden is going to trample on,
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then yeah they should. Just what
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Send the most junior justice. You
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send the most junior justice to testify
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for the Supreme Court building, which
show them like this is the worst job

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at the Supreme Court. So now
that's how we treat the State of the

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Union address. Yeah. Well,
last thought for me is, uh,

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we've went on a downward spiral for
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a little bit to you know,
the House of Commons in Britain. I

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love question Time and some of the
other set pieces they have, and they

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have had a long I guess you'd
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in the house. It's expected.
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exactly. And you know, I
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design of the house that Churchill pointed
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modernists wanted to do a new chamber, he said, now keep the old

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one. Here's why. And one
of them was is the width between the

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facing benches is on purpose. It's
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so that you know, this goes
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you had a timbers they couldn't attack
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so uh, you know, I'd
be nice to think that we could

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reach some equilibrium where maybe a little
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sure what. We're not as good
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bounds over there. If you go
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not sure too far. Is it's
personal attacks or I'm not sure what it

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is, but it but it's fun. Yeah. The last thing I'd say

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about Biden's performance, you know,
John mentioned that he whenever he went off

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script, he you know, made
some pretty big errors, either lies or

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started screaming at people or you know. I actually heard somebody say that his

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response to the crowd was meant he
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I thought, God, no,
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the grumpy old guy next door.
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really discuss this when he said every
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catch that right? And to say
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he was able to keep mostly to
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is really the indicator of how incompetent
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would be my takeaway. You know, you'd be they They obviously gave him

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something, hyped him up. I
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with, but it pushed him to
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the next day, if you happen
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events, he was back to his
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you know, the left is patting
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know, this is this is great. Everybody's gonna m remember how great he

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was at the State of the Union
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to work out that well for him. But you know, if I'm the

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Democrat, I want to take any
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get. I did want to mention
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abortion. You know, the first
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right, Kennedy, there is nobody
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he makes a very big deal about
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else it is, if you're a
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the on the on the matter of
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Catholic doctrine, Catholic orthodoxy. Okay, that being said, I was really

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pleased to see this last week that
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an ad that they're going to show
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for the situation at the border.
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a little bit problematic because I I
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are Catholic groups that are getting money
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illegal immigrants. Moreover, some of
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lot of other lefty Catholic leaders are
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believe, which is Biden's policies at
the border are inhumane. Because and it's

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really horrible to watch this little ad
that they're doing, because they taught they

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interview a woman who the cartels put
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men come in and rape her all
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mean, it's just chillingly awful,
chillingly off. I don't know, and

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I do have to make a comment
really quick I doubt that the person is

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listening. But some idiot commented on
our Ricochet podcast last week saying, oh

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I heard buddy say we're gonna shoot
someone. Click delete, never listen to

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again. Put your big girls panties
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I said, which was the first
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to do, It would be the
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is necessary to stop what is going
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you know when I said that the
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gonna be my next lead in the
stupid Judge in Colorado should be shot because

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she's so inarticulate. That was kind
of a joke. And if it violates

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Ricochet's mural standards, too bad.
Anyway, that out there, So back

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to Colorado. Sorry if unless you
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out in states with large Catholic populations
to say Biden is responsible for this unparalleled

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human tragedy. Yeah, well,
just one thing. One thing that's interesting

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to me is again my mind runs
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of Catholic Bishops. So, first
of all, you mentioned Catholic groups get

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government money. That's been true for
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Catholic groups, and there's always been
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on the agenda of the left.
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Conference of Catholic Bishops, so that's
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people. They were a huge problem
for Reagan because they kept saying we got

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to quit building nuclear weapons, we
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and on and on. And I'm
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barking now is the I'm not sure
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Bishops, but I would have expected
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last three years, some kind of
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and I haven't seen that, or
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anymore. And so this group comes
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money, and they're gonna get out
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Catholic Church, and that's always a
good thing to do. Yeah, that's

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my thought. Tell us about Colorado. I was going to say, this

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is beyond my area. Yeah,
that's fine, it's expertise. I'm always

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happy to lend the I'm always happy
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radical and different. But John,
can I ask you, let's just say

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the way I want. I'm sorry, I'm John. You can't let that?

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Can you name? Can you give
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bishop anywhere? The one in California? I know his first name is Mark.

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Okay, I want to tell you
he actually came to the church here

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into Well in Martin Muren County,
and he gave a sermon that was all

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about global warming. Of course I
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God have an opinion about global warming? I remember the bit in the Bible

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about you know, mastering the Earth
and the animals, and you know,

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I don't remember anything about God preferring
a specific temperature for the planet. Yeah.

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I was just like, the latest
is you're beyond your It was the

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late great Berkeley professor Paul Seabury and
political science who wrote that classic article in

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nineteen seventy eight, when the Episcopal
Church called trendier than Thou the polk does

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the same thing. I know and
my argument back, John is, never

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mind what it says in the Bible
or or doctrine about it. If God's

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omnipotent, he could fix the global
warming crisis were actually to exist. He

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could fix it. He's God,
all right, Right back to the Colorado

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Okay, So I didn't mean to
be realized. I did have a really

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quick question for John on the point
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of view, who's someone who's not
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Shall we say, John, reasonably
that I've spent time in the Vatican.

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I won't tell you why. Okay, all right, we won't want

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it's a great story, but for
another time. Okay. I was allowed

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to wander back in the Vatican grounds
once for a day. Me too.

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It was great. That was before
I was Catholic, I haven't That was

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before the Jesuits found me tried to
kick me out as a Jesuit. I

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do actually want to ask, Oh, there's got to be a joke somewhere.

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What's the difference between the Jesuit meeting
and a faculty meeting. I don't

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know what the punchline is, and
it's got to be good time those snarky

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00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:19.920
women out there get mad because they
say I interrupt too much. This will

408
00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:23.920
now be the seventh time I've attempted
to ask the question because you two interrupted

409
00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:26.720
me. And I don't really mind, but I hate being accused of something.

410
00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:30.920
You're back right. I want to
know John, if you find the

411
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:36.960
argument compelling, if you're the average
voter watching this ad, and you probably

412
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:40.880
haven't watched it yet, but basically, what it says is the poor and

413
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:45.799
the vulnerable are those who are hurt
the most by Biden's board border policies.

414
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:52.079
And of course it is fully consistent
with Catholic teaching, with the Biblical teaching

415
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:55.160
that we need to be worried about
the poor and the vulnerable. We know

416
00:29:55.400 --> 00:30:00.079
the kind of atrocities that are committed
as a result of open borders, never

417
00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:03.880
mind the fence and all and everything
else. Do you find that argument compelling?

418
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:07.799
This is like the ad they ran
during the Super Bowl super Bowl bilk

419
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:12.480
Jesus gets Us ads and like one
of the most But that was the same

420
00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:17.160
kind of ad, which is this. I don't know when I see that.

421
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:25.039
So one thing I think is is
unrestricted immigration. Who's is hurting the

422
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:27.920
poor in the United States. Right, So, if you were to say

423
00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:37.480
whose communities are probably hurt the most
by aliens who are criminals or are you

424
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:41.279
know Cootes or bring the agent sex
traffick, it's going to be the poor

425
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:47.359
communities here in the United States that
are probably harmed by increasing crime. I

426
00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:49.680
think that's the record just of crime
in general the United States. It hurts

427
00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:56.200
poor minority communities and cities of most. But I don't think the American people

428
00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:59.839
are swayed much by these Marxist appeals. You could make that the punchline for

429
00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:03.960
everything that Democrats want is here's something
that happens. No, no, this

430
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:06.960
is why I think it's Marxist.
Hell did you just say, oh,

431
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:10.480
sorry, keep John, keep doing
them. No, no, no,

432
00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:14.200
no. So all these all these
ads, in my mind are kind of

433
00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:17.640
like Marxist appeals. They're like,
Okay, this is a really bad thing

434
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:21.279
and it hurts the lower classes.
This is a really bad thing. It

435
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:23.920
hurts the lower classes. That that's
I think that's going to be a theme

436
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:29.680
of all the democratic ads and the
left wing ads this year. And so

437
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:32.359
if you try to sit but so
if you try to say this and we'll

438
00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:36.960
get it to this thiss came if
you have an add so suppose we haven't.

439
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:41.119
Our side has an ad says one
of Biden's biggest failures is crime,

440
00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:45.599
and we should be doing a b
and cedar restore law and order in the

441
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:48.640
streets. Their response is always going
to be crime is really just a function

442
00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:52.599
of poverty, and poverty is just
you know, it's just a Marxist response

443
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:57.519
to everything. That's what That's what
I mean. Oh oh, you had

444
00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:00.759
me confused there. I thought you
were saying that the argument Lucretian and I

445
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:04.759
are making that. No, no, no, oh, okay, now

446
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:07.920
I'm saying the argument of the left, oh ice making is like the response

447
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:13.759
to everything is inequality. That's their
theme. You know, I don't think.

448
00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:15.559
Yeah, that's what I meant.
That's what I meant, And I

449
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:19.279
said, I don't think people buy
that, But that's what you hear all

450
00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:23.440
the time now on their side,
what questions when we've flipped, when we've

451
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:31.839
flipped the socioeconomic classes and their allegiance
to political parties such that the only people

452
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:37.640
who actually support the left now are
are of course the elite rich, and

453
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:42.559
then the people too stupid to pay
attention, which I know, includes many

454
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:49.079
people in the lowest socioeconomic classes,
but the lower middle class is now,

455
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:54.759
if we believe the polls at all, everything says that they prefer Trump.

456
00:32:55.559 --> 00:32:59.640
I don't know if I'd go so
far as to say they completely prefer Republicans,

457
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:04.759
but they certainly preferred Trump because it's
clear that despite all of their Marxist

458
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:07.000
rhetoric, as you would put it, the left couldn't care less about the

459
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:12.240
poor. The left couldn't care less
about those who are struggling or suffering,

460
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:16.359
and they certainly couldn't care less about
those who suffer because of crime in their

461
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:22.079
urban cities, in their You know, crime doesn't affect wealthy people, It

462
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.319
doesn't affect people in good neighborhoods.
It affects people in the poorest neighborhoods.

463
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:32.160
So what happens to your analysis when
we see that the actual political landscape is

464
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:36.799
changing in that regard. And I'm
going to get to Colorado. I promise

465
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:40.599
you think it's so. Do you
think it's like a lot of things in

466
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:46.759
politics, that the election is really
decided by independent, middle class people living

467
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:52.680
in suburbs and they want to feel
like they're doing something about poverty. Isn't

468
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:54.839
that what the political consultants say.
It's like, you know, if you

469
00:33:55.400 --> 00:34:00.640
talk to the you know, this
is your fault of Christians women living in

470
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:05.960
suburbs who are deciding the elections.
Ninety amendments kill it, and you know

471
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:09.199
they're they're not getting abortions all the
time, but they want to feel good

472
00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:14.280
that other people can have the right
to an abortion, even though they want

473
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:19.559
to feel like it's okay not to
have right fully intact nuclear families, even

474
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:24.000
though eighty five percent of them all
have nuclear intact families. So it's strange.

475
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:27.920
It's like, isn't that what's really
you guys? Should you know this

476
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:30.960
where than I do? Isn't this
really about messaging to that small slice of

477
00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:37.239
demographic as can decide the next election, And they themselves don't live those lives,

478
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:39.079
but they want to feel like,
oh, there, I'm all for

479
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:43.119
rights. It makes it something I
support, even though they would never do

480
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:45.679
these things in their own personal lives. So I think it is that you're

481
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:52.119
right that the good political consultants have
figured out that they can appeal to white

482
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:55.320
liberal guilt, because guilt, of
course, is the most self indulgent of

483
00:34:55.440 --> 00:35:00.239
all emotions. And I mean,
you know, nothing better, and to

484
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:05.920
pretend it. I feel guilty that
I'm white and suburban and my kids play

485
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:09.119
soccer and I drive an SUV and
that, you know, people in the

486
00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:13.760
inner city are this, that and
the other thing. I'm not going to

487
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:15.480
do anything about it, but I'm
going to vote for somebody who says they

488
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:20.440
might. You know, I'd like
to think we can do better than that.

489
00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:22.280
I don't know, Steve, what's
your thought. You're you're the polster

490
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:29.360
guy. Well, let's not do
polls. You know. One of the

491
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:32.199
I was gonna mention this maybe later
depending One of the hot books at the

492
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:37.239
moment is by this guy Rob Henderson
called Trouble, and it's about you know,

493
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:40.079
this guy was a story similar to
Jadey Vance's, by the way,

494
00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:45.119
but he's the guy who came up
with a phrase some time ago called luxury

495
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:47.360
beliefs. And he really explains how, you know, when he got to

496
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:51.480
Yale finally as a law student or
something, he'd meet all these people who'd

497
00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:52.719
say, oh, marriage isn't important, you know this and that, and

498
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:57.599
direct the opposite of how they lived. And I do think that's a real

499
00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:01.440
thing, a real phenomenon and that's
another way restating that. Yeah, a

500
00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:04.320
lot of people. I mean,
I've been saying this for a while.

501
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:07.599
My version is a lot of liberalism
is a comfort mechanism for liberals to feel

502
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:12.880
good about themselves, and that's the
most important value, right, Yeah,

503
00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:15.679
I don't want to go in for
forever. But one more question about that.

504
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:21.800
So perhaps there's an even uglier underbelly
to that. And what it reminds

505
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:27.440
me of is the appeal after in
the reconstruction of in the reconstruction period to

506
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:32.239
poor whites in the South. Oh
right, that appeal you know, actually

507
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:37.519
ended up being Jim Crow legislation ultimately, where you may be poor, you

508
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:45.119
may be all these other things,
but yeah, if you're if if we

509
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:52.239
lower blacks beneath your level, then
what you buy that very action are raised

510
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:54.719
up in the in the classes of
society, however you want to put them.

511
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:57.800
Not putting this very well, but
you get my point. Yeah,

512
00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:04.320
perhaps that's what this is about underneath
it all too. I recognize that being

513
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:08.000
married and an intact family, and
my kids going to good schools and doing

514
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:13.519
their homework at night because homework is
now for boten, that all of these

515
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:19.960
things that I do homeworks verboten.
There's nothing for Asian kids to do when

516
00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:23.239
they grow up. They just play
the violin. That's it. Well,

517
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:27.000
can I just I'm going to jump
in and add to that. Then,

518
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:29.960
you know, the other book right
now from the left that's worth taking note

519
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:34.039
of not reading is what it's this
rural white rage. I forget the title,

520
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:36.880
but it's like the flavor of the
month right now by a couple of

521
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:39.159
prong political scientists, and it's as
bad as it sounds. It is.

522
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:43.840
You know, it's there's these rural
white people who are the menace to America.

523
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:46.119
They're the you know, they're the
the it's the whole deplorable thesis,

524
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:51.440
except now propounded seriously. And you
know the point is is that you know,

525
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:53.960
the academic leafs to America, we
really do hate you, but the

526
00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:58.360
creature of that not to do it
today. Some of the day we might

527
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:00.599
you. And I want to take
this up as actual episode. That story

528
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:06.159
you tell about the South in Reconstruction
is a forgotten chapter that's really quite important,

529
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:08.320
and I think you're now seeing a
repeat with it with the left's attack

530
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:14.000
on the rural white America today.
I think the best book on this,

531
00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:17.280
I'll just mention it because I'm a
pretentious intellectual. Is William Alexander Percy's Lanterns

532
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:22.519
on the Levee. He was Walker
Percy's uncle who raised him after Walker Percy's

533
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:25.679
parent or dad at suicide. And
he explains, and it was a great

534
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:30.000
writer, by the way, and
he explains that, Yeah, a lot

535
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:32.280
of sort of you know, the
old plantation class whites look down on the

536
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:36.760
blacks, but who they really look
down on even more were poor whites.

537
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:40.119
And that created the toxic dynamic that
led to Jim Crow. And I think

538
00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:44.880
that is now replicated with different terms. But by the you know, Harvard

539
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:49.039
for shorthand, right, And that's
a very big story. And you just

540
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:52.480
actually give me inspiration the Cretia for
a column, So thank you. Well

541
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:57.719
give me credit for once, would
you. Okay, So John, tell

542
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:01.239
us about Colorado. There was so
much other news I'd forgotten that this was

543
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:07.199
the Colorado case was just this last
week. And what's your analysis of it?

544
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:09.119
Yeah, I mean I thought it
was the most important thing that happened

545
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:15.639
this week. Actually it was on
Monday and the Supreme Court unanimously overrule Colorado.

546
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:19.559
Now there are different reasons and you
know, we can get we'll get

547
00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:22.360
into the differences, but the important
thing is nine to zero. The Court

548
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:28.280
said Colorado was wrong and that Donald
Trump could not be excluded from the ballot.

549
00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:34.039
One just side noticed. You would
think the people who pushed this idea

550
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:37.599
would be embarrassed. The people who
predicted the Supreme Court would actually strike Donald

551
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.880
Trump from the ballot in all fifty
states. The people who you know,

552
00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:45.800
these are Larry Tribe, you know, former Judge Michael Lutig, you know,

553
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:49.480
very prominent, respected people who are
out there saying every word of the

554
00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:52.639
Colorado Supreme Court was brilliant. It's
you know, be odd reproach and the

555
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:59.079
Supreme Court, yeah, uphold them, and it was right. How often

556
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:06.159
do such distinguished luminaries lose nine to
zero. That's their job, if any,

557
00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:09.280
is to help us figure out how
what the Supreme Court is up to

558
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:15.320
I understand constitutional law. So that's
one. Two. There was a difference

559
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:20.679
of opinion. I wouldn't say it
was five to four, but there was

560
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:24.880
a window of difference. Not on
this question, but it's an interesting question

561
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:29.199
that we've talked about before, which
is what is the role of the other

562
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:34.760
branches and enforcing the Constitution. So
interestingly, the majority opinion, which was

563
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:38.320
written procureum, which means no one
signed it, basically said Congress must pass

564
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:44.679
a law to implement the fourteenth Amendment. If Congress could pass a law saying

565
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:49.159
Donald Trump is an insurrectionist and is
to be removed from the ballot, well,

566
00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:51.320
can I ask before you go on, John, I want to ask

567
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:55.679
you about that. Congress can't pass
a law saying Donald Trump should be removed

568
00:40:55.719 --> 00:41:00.320
from the ballot. Congress would have
to pass a law that would in fact

569
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:08.800
define what insurrection would be, and
it couldn't even be retroactive. Could I

570
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:13.199
mean? Otherwise it becomes both a
bill of attainder and an exposed factor law?

571
00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:15.719
Or am I wrong? No,
the majority is a little bit unclear

572
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:19.679
about this. I agree with you, it wouldn't be a bill of attainder.

573
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:22.519
But it could be the case that
the majority thinks this is not a

574
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:27.280
violation of the bill of a tainder
clause. But I'm not sure it's all

575
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:30.559
in the Court was very ambiguous about
that. The Court also yeah, yeah,

576
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:35.760
coll Here's the other interesting The Court
did say that Congress did implement the

577
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:40.119
Fourteenth Amendment by passing and insurrection statute. One thing that was interesting about the

578
00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:44.920
opinion is that, you know,
we have a criminal law right now,

579
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:49.280
federal criminal law that prohibits insurrection.
It makes insurrection of crime, and it

580
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:53.559
actually traces its history all the way
back to Congress passing a law right after

581
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:59.840
the Fourteenth Amendment is enacted. So
the Court suggests, well, you could

582
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:05.519
implement the fourteenth Amendment by prosecuting someone
under this insurrection statute. What they didn't

583
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:07.519
say, but which we all know, is that the Special Council chose not

584
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:14.039
to indict President Trump for insurrection.
And in fact, the only voice of

585
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:16.519
the federal government on whether Donald Trump
committed insurrection is that of the Senate,

586
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:21.960
which acquitted him of that charge in
the second impeatriant trial. But here's a

587
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.920
difference. It's an important difference.
Although I think it does show you that

588
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:30.599
the dissent is too aware of too
worried about the politics of it is.

589
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:34.280
They say the majority went too far. They would leave open the question of

590
00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:43.360
whether the other branches could implement the
disqualification. So they all the three liberal

591
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:51.880
justices Kaigan, Sodo, Mayor,
and Jackson maybe agreed with by I just

592
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:54.840
can't think she would. Yeah,
I just think I can't think she would

593
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:59.000
agree with this, but she didn't. You know, she was sympathetic to

594
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:00.559
them. I don't know why this
was be a man woman thing, but

595
00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:04.760
yeah, Amy Cooney Barrett. But
that's that's weird, right, That's the

596
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:07.960
line of difference was men on one
side, women the other. The three

597
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:12.840
dissenters, they seem to suggest,
well, other branches of government could do

598
00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:15.000
it. And this is where I
think it opens the door. Although it's

599
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:19.880
only the liberals I think sometimes don't
realize they're contradicting themselves. Maybe they do.

600
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:23.239
Is the possibly only possibility I could
think of is that when the electoral

601
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:30.480
votes are counted right in January,
they're opening the possibility that Congress, members

602
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:36.519
of Congress, or even pray tell
Vice President Kamala Harris could rule that electoral

603
00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:39.719
votes for Trump violate the fourteenth Amendment
and cannot be counted. That's actually the

604
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:45.239
one hympathetical question. That's the only
thing I can imagine that dissent is actually

605
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:51.519
referring to when they say, oh, other branches can still implement the disqualification

606
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:59.719
mechanism and without falling the foul of
the Bill of attainders, as Lucretia says,

607
00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:01.000
then the only way I could think
of that it would be to reject

608
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:06.559
electro votes this January. If Trump
wins. But it says in the fourteenth

609
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:10.360
minute, why is that not controlling
the execution clause? You know, the

610
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:15.960
Congress of the power to enforce the
enforcement clause by appropriate legislation. How is

611
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:21.039
that not Trump? All of those
arguments. So here's I do my hypothetical,

612
00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:24.800
John, which was this, suppose
Trump wins the election, but Democrats

613
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:30.280
win both houses of Congress. Yeah, and remember they're sworn in and take

614
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:35.559
office before January twenty, which means
Democrats would have a majority before January sixth.

615
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:37.719
And during the day they certify it. And you know, you remember

616
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:42.559
twenty sixteen when there was this big
public campaign to try and get electors to

617
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:45.199
not cast their votes for Trump.
If that happens, there's gonna be huge

618
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:50.639
expression of Democrats in Congress to I
don't know what's retroactive or however you want

619
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:53.760
to classify it, to declare it
Trump an insurrectionists and therefore ineligible to take

620
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:58.280
the oath of office on January twenty
seems to me that's what was held open,

621
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:00.559
but I'm not clear on that,
but that's my scene for it,

622
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:02.480
Yeah, which I think is quite
possible. Yeah, I totally agree the

623
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:07.199
effect. So I'll just be you
know, average self advertised one of my

624
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:12.159
Larview articles. So I wrote an
article that came out in case Western Larva

625
00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:14.960
about the twelfth Amendment counting the votes. And this is actually where I said,

626
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:17.559
I think John Eastman's theory was half
right on the law. I just

627
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:22.039
disagreed them on the facts. And
I started out with the hypothetical suppose in

628
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:28.559
twenty twenty four, Vice President Kamala
Harris is reviewing whether to count Donald Trump's

629
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:31.440
electoral votes. Do we think that
she could just on her own just say

630
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:37.320
I think Donald Trump's an insurrectionistn't toss
him out? And you could see that

631
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:40.000
the three liberals on the court,
I think, were suggesting that that could

632
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:45.880
in fact have been And what and
if she had right and the Democrats take

633
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:50.639
the House and senate it, right, what's going to stop? I thought

634
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:54.960
that the dissent by the three Democratic
justices were trying to desperately throw a bone

635
00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:59.480
or a slender lifeline to the left, which was outraged by nine to zero

636
00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:01.920
decision. You saw they freaked out
about it. But my final thought on

637
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:06.119
it and that could you satisfy me
about this? On the merits? My

638
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:09.719
final thought is is you know,
we beat the Lucretian I at least beat

639
00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:14.039
the hell out of a broad in
Paulson when they first posed this idea a

640
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:15.960
year ago. And now I'm wondering, gosh, I wonder if it was

641
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:21.800
all a ropodope operational along. I
wonder if they were geniuses secretly on setting

642
00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:28.880
up the Liberals to make fools of
themselves. Come on, well, only

643
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:32.159
John would think that way. I
actually even thought it was a great idea.

644
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:38.239
How did how did? How did
Steve figure it out? I just

645
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:45.559
let the secret out. I wish
I had enough confidence in conservative law scholars

646
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:49.800
other than John. I don't watch
enough for the original House of Cards series

647
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:53.599
to appreciate these kind of intrigue.
I watched enough. I just never underestimate

648
00:46:53.679 --> 00:47:00.440
the power stupidity. I never forget
that true. Yeah to ask you got

649
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:06.039
both of you as neither of you
are. Steve's a native Californian, but

650
00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:08.840
you've been a Californian for a long
time. And I actually think the most

651
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:13.400
interesting thing to come out of Super
Tuesday was what happened to California. And

652
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:16.159
I'm not just talking about Steve Garbie, although I think we should discuss that

653
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:22.039
a little bit. But my understanding
is down the ballots, including some congressional

654
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:27.960
races in the hotly contested Orange County
area of California, actually are showing some

655
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:36.960
real strength for a change for Republicans
in this god awful jungle primary that the

656
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:43.480
left imposed upon you, poor you, poor feckless Californians, and you allow

657
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:45.280
it, Steve Buddy. I mean, I've defer to Steve on this.

658
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:50.280
You know, the races I saw, Yeah, it looked like we're you

659
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:52.840
know that there are none of these
races where it was two Democrats knocking out

660
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:57.280
all Republicans and the ones that we
cared about. That's that's what I saw.

661
00:47:57.360 --> 00:48:00.880
But I didn't look, for example, the state legislative races or anything

662
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:02.960
like that where it's hopeless. Still
I still assume it's hopeless. I mean,

663
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:07.920
the Democrats have a super majority.
But I think my impression is we

664
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:13.280
did well in the congressional primaries that
getting Republicans to the finals in November,

665
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:16.119
which is they're not primary they're not. Yeah, the primaries because of the

666
00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:21.639
jungle primary, we actually have a
bunch of Republicans who are the second choice

667
00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:25.159
or even in some cases the first
choice, which hasn't happened in very often

668
00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:30.960
lately. Anyway, Steve, you're
you're well right. Let's see I mean

669
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:32.239
a couple of First of all,
for listeners who don't know what we mean

670
00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:37.320
by jungle primary, is California fifteen
years ago now adopted the system for all

671
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:42.559
races except for president because they can't
do it for that one where everybody's together

672
00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:45.360
on the ballot, not by party, and the top two people go to

673
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:50.079
the bout in November. So Republicans
have not had all of said why is

674
00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:57.119
there a beauty beauty queen from the
nineteen seventies on our zoom turned off camera?

675
00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:01.920
Are like not to use these other
like very Cheryl t the big haird

676
00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:09.280
hair, and I should have a
screencap with that. So wait, wait,

677
00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:13.239
wait before you go on, Steve, I actually know somebody at my

678
00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:20.639
university who has who is more attractive
in person than and she's beautiful, more

679
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:24.159
attractive in person than the picture that
her avatar that she puts on zoom.

680
00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:28.639
No, I'm seeing that happen a
bunch actually, but yeah, haven't really.

681
00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:32.400
I don't think people know what we're
talking about. But I think Lucretia

682
00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:36.760
had to step away for a minute
and then appeared in her little zoom box.

683
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:42.119
I swear was a photo of Olivia
Newton John from Let's Get Metaphysical,

684
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:49.480
Let's Get Right, by Sir Isaac
Newton John. Right, Okay, we're

685
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:53.920
clearly California, Steve. Look what
happens when we don't have our whiskey.

686
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:00.599
So I mean, Republicans have not
had a cent candidate in November for fifteen

687
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:05.039
years now. The last two cycles
have been two Democrats running against each other,

688
00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:07.480
you know, a moderate liberal against
the far left person. And it

689
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:10.960
looked like that might happen this year. Katie Porter raised a ton of money

690
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:14.440
and she's a big celebrity on the
left. And then Adam Shiff is Adam

691
00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:17.920
Schiff and Steve Garvey, the old
Los Angeles Dodgers baseball player running but didn't

692
00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:22.280
have any money, didn't run a
campaign, but Shiff ran these ads that

693
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:27.800
gave Garvey twenty million dollars a free
publicity blank of the state with ads that

694
00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:31.039
said, by the way, the
pictures of him were all very handsome.

695
00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:35.800
He's a handsome guy, even at
age seventies, very handsome still. But

696
00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:39.840
they weren't the grainy kind of usual
attack ads that make a person look bad.

697
00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:43.800
No, they use these very handsome
pictures of him, and the message

698
00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:49.519
was Steve Garvey's too conservative for California. He voted for Trump twice. Well,

699
00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:52.719
is this an attack or is it
telling Republicans wink wig and gun nudge

700
00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:57.159
who's here you want to vote for? Cause a shiff wanted to knockout Katie

701
00:50:57.159 --> 00:51:01.519
Porter and he did. He did
so well that Garby now has uh look,

702
00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:05.880
I mean half of California wasn't here
when he played baseball forty years ago

703
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:08.639
or more. Yeah, oh,
I'm sure that's true. Sure, Oh

704
00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:13.880
yeah, I'm quite sure that's probably
likely. You know, Steve John Oh

705
00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:16.599
yeah, because I was. I'm
a Philadelphia Phillies fan. I still of

706
00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:20.840
course as a Dodger. As a
Dodger, they beat the hell of us

707
00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:22.719
out of us in the Pennant,
I mean not in the Pennant, in

708
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:30.280
the in the playoffs in the late
seventies. Yeah, seventy eight killed us

709
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:32.320
two years in a row. Yeah, so yeah, I still hate him.

710
00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:36.119
Anyways, still just because of that, I'm going to vote for Adam

711
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:39.679
Schiff. No you're not. I'm
gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna take

712
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:44.440
a picture of the ballot and send
it. Well, yeah, politics is

713
00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:49.239
important, but being loyal to Philadelphia
sports team is preemptive. Well, anyway,

714
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:52.599
it it's thought that this drove up
Republican turnout because it generated some enthusiasm

715
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:57.039
among Republicans for Garvey, who finished
first, by the way, got the

716
00:51:57.079 --> 00:52:00.559
most votes because you really had Barbara
League was a third Democrat running some support

717
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:04.480
from the black community. So here's
what I think. I think actually Garvey

718
00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:08.800
has a distant outside chance of winning, and it would depend on two things.

719
00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:12.320
He needs to be a good candidate
and run a good campaign and have

720
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:15.880
no idea yet whether how serious,
if he's got a good team, if

721
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:17.880
he's any good on this stump,
and so forth. The second thing is,

722
00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:22.400
I think Democrats are going to be
split, especially with the progressive hatred

723
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:27.679
of Israel right now, because Schiff
was backed very vigorously by Apak, the

724
00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:34.039
Israeli American Public Affairs Pack, and
I think so the anti the Prohamas left

725
00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:37.679
is going to dislike him. And
if you're Katie Porter or any other ambitious

726
00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:39.840
Democrat, and you look out the
world now and you say, what's better

727
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:44.599
for me in the party? One
term of Garvey, who's probably only going

728
00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:45.599
to serve a term, but in
any event, you'd beat him in six

729
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:51.039
years or twenty years of Adam Schiff, because that's the model in California.

730
00:52:51.079 --> 00:52:52.239
If you win as a Democrat,
you're in as long as you want to

731
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:58.280
be. I wouldn't be surprised to
see a conscious, although a whispering campaign

732
00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:01.119
of Democrats to sit on their hands
and not support shift. And depending on

733
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:06.079
how the national mood goes, you
know, neither party is going to contest

734
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:09.079
the presidential election here much. I
don't think you know. He could sneak

735
00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:13.400
up on this, and that would
be the ultimate revenge on these reformers and

736
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:16.159
the Democrats who think they can play
around with these jungle primaries to pick their

737
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:20.360
opponents, and that would be a
fun day. Steve can ask me a

738
00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:24.920
question. I don't remember the rules
in California. So Barbara Lee and Katie

739
00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:30.280
Porter, when they put their hats
in the ring for the Senate race,

740
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:34.039
did that disqualify them from running for
their congressional seats? Yeah, yep,

741
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:36.920
they're out. They're not. That's
that's actually what I want to talk about.

742
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:39.599
Was for me, the microcosm of
what's going on here was Katie Porter's

743
00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:45.079
seat because I spend a lot of
time there because of the Claremont Institute.

744
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:50.159
We go down there and do the
fellowship programs in that district, and I

745
00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:53.599
have a lot of friends there.
This is where you see Irvine's campuses.

746
00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:59.000
So Katie Porter, you know,
had to vacator seat. And so it

747
00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:04.320
was an interesting three way race between
a fellow named David min who's a professor

748
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:07.639
at Ucrvine Law School. So he's
like many Katie Porter and he I think

749
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:12.719
he actually ran against maybe Katie Porter
in the primaries long ago when she won

750
00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:15.880
the seat, but he's in the
state Senate. And then the challenger is

751
00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:17.960
a guy named Scott Baw who is
a I think the head of the Republican

752
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:22.400
Party in Orange County. Lost to
Katie Porter by it looks like three points

753
00:54:22.519 --> 00:54:27.079
last time, and she had to
spend an enormous amount of money. I

754
00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:30.239
think she spent like, yeah,
could this be possibly twenty million dollars on

755
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:35.960
a sea Yeah, but uh so
he won, I mean he won the

756
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:37.519
plurality, so right, it was
just amazing. So he won thirty two

757
00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:42.519
percent. Men won twenty five percent. But the interesting thing, and I

758
00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:46.079
think Lucretia would enjoy weighing in on
this, is the third candidate was a

759
00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:52.719
woman named Joanna Weiss, and she
came in third. But what happened behind

760
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:53.719
the scenes, and Steve correct me
if I'm wrong, but I think what

761
00:54:53.760 --> 00:55:00.519
having nice scenes is that the Jewish
groups tried to stop in Yeah, because

762
00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:05.800
he's pro Hama Proceedspire and Gaza.
Sorry, I didn't mean to say pro

763
00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:08.800
hamas progue, he's part in Gaza, and so there was a real split

764
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:15.559
in the Democratic Party. They metz
yeah, and because of Gaza and they've

765
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:19.360
tried to stop men. And so
I wonder, and this is for the

766
00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:23.559
November, whether Jewish votes are going
to shift to baw you know, shift

767
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:30.000
to the Republican candidate uh and lead
to you know, a healthy margin.

768
00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:31.400
Actually one can the way it used
to be, right, way it used

769
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:35.840
to be showed up. That was
a Republican seat for a long time.

770
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:39.239
The other thing about that race,
John, is that the Republicans together garnered

771
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:44.199
forty eight percent of the vote.
Whereas the Democrats together garnered only forty three

772
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:46.639
percent of the vote. The two
the two top gets forty That's it.

773
00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:50.880
And that's you know again, this
is where there are many Lucretia's living,

774
00:55:51.440 --> 00:56:00.039
you know, the suburban suburban women
you are then ie today there's really only

775
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:02.840
one right. You know, when
you started attacking Chick fil A, it

776
00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:07.960
really brought the brought the A game
out of me. No, but this

777
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:12.239
is right. This Orange County is
the exact kind of county that Trump will

778
00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:15.119
need to win to win the election. It's you know, it's the perfect

779
00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:19.920
suburban but upper middle class, upper
middle class. They care about crime,

780
00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:23.360
they care about immigration. If Trump's
gonna prevail anywhere, it's gonna be there.

781
00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:28.079
Okay, So I have one more
to bring up about that, and

782
00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:31.079
it goes back to something you said
earlier. So one more Orange County district,

783
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:37.119
the forty fifth district where Biden won. I don't know remember how many

784
00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:42.639
percent of the vote, but the
incumbent Republican got fifty seven percent of the

785
00:56:42.760 --> 00:56:46.039
vote in the jungle primary. How
because or despite you might say that she

786
00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:55.639
supported extreme anti abortion legislation, a
national ban, some illegalization of IVF and

787
00:56:55.760 --> 00:57:00.119
she got fifty seven percent of the
vote. All I want to ask about

788
00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:02.039
that or put, you know,
kind of put on the table. I

789
00:57:02.119 --> 00:57:07.480
guess, more than anything is whether
this somewhat belies those special elections we've seen

790
00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:10.880
lately that Biden even talked about in
his State of the Union address. It

791
00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:14.960
says, Oh, how did you
put it, John, We're going to

792
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:22.920
see the power of women voters.
I wonder if this whole obsession that the

793
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:25.679
left has with the fact that abortion
is going to be the biggest issue coming

794
00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:30.760
up in the twenty twenty four election. I think Biden camp is clearly counting

795
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:34.480
on that. I mean, Orange
County is a little different. I get

796
00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:39.639
I understand in the country as a
whole, But I'm just wondering if maybe

797
00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:45.159
maybe the abortion issue is not going
to be the thing they think it is.

798
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:49.639
And you know, when you look
at those polls, the ones that

799
00:57:49.719 --> 00:57:57.039
say that in the list of topics
issues that Americans actually care about when they

800
00:57:57.159 --> 00:58:00.440
cast their vote, I mentioned that
despite whether you people think we should fund

801
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:06.119
Ukraine, it's not an important issue. On the list of topics, abortion

802
00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:10.400
comes in at eleven percent. And
that includes, by the way, people

803
00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:15.679
like me who will actually vote for
an anti abortion candidate as an important indicator

804
00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:22.320
of their other politics. But so
it includes both pro and against abortion.

805
00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:27.800
So if it's only eleven percent,
are we going to see that maybe that

806
00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:30.360
that stick of the left isn't really
going to get them as far as they

807
00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:38.599
think, what do you think ill
the polls I see say basically it looks

808
00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:44.679
like the economy and immigration are tied. And people who say to pollsters,

809
00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:49.599
I assume that they're going to vote
on abortion, their votes are already long,

810
00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:52.400
long ago committed to one of the
two parties. They're not. If

811
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:54.719
you're voting on abortion, you're not
the votes that are up for grabs that

812
00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:58.599
are going to turn the election.
It seems to me, you're just pro

813
00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:01.280
life, pro choice, you're already
duck firmly in the base of the Republican

814
00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:05.480
or Democratic parties. And so I
agree with you. I don't think it's

815
00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:09.360
going to make a difference in the
election. And I maybe I misread it,

816
00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:13.280
but I think that when Biden makes
such a big deal of it in

817
00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:15.360
the State of the Union address,
it makes it seem to the average voter,

818
00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:22.960
as you're saying, that he's appealing
to sort of elite progressive values and

819
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:27.639
elevating them over the things that regular
middle class Americans care about, which is

820
00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:32.679
killing off inflation and you know,
shoring up the border. So but I

821
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:36.920
think it does show you the bubble
that the Biden White House is living in,

822
00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:40.519
or that Democratic consultants or living in, and so I hope they keep

823
00:59:40.599 --> 00:59:44.880
at it. Yeah, this is
political malpractice. I mean, for all

824
00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:47.280
the shade we've been throwing at Republicans
for being inept on the issue, which

825
00:59:49.079 --> 00:59:52.599
I stand by all of that,
and it's correct. I think that Democrats

826
00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:55.559
were usually better at figuring this out. Don't understand that. Yes, if

827
00:59:55.639 --> 00:59:59.239
you put the issue up as an
up or down vote just on the issue,

828
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:04.000
or if you tie an elected office
like the Wisconsin Supreme Court to the

829
01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:07.000
issue of abortion, then they're going
to win on that issue. But when

830
01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:10.400
you get to other offices, absolutely, people have many more other things determined

831
01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:15.800
their vote than abortion. And you
know, I sort of remember you go

832
01:00:15.880 --> 01:00:19.280
back to twenty fourteen, so ten
years ago now, when the Republicans took

833
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:22.920
the Senate back finally and the Colorado
race. I was living there then.

834
01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:25.599
It was the incumbent Mark you doll
and I forget the Republican congressman who knocked

835
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:29.440
him off. But you do,
all would go around and that's all he

836
01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:32.079
talked about, was I protect a
woman's right to choose, and even Democrats

837
01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:35.599
got tired of him talking about it. Of course, that's before Dobbs,

838
01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:38.039
and that changes things some. But
the point is is even then that appeal

839
01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:45.599
was stale as an appeal for broad
spectrum audience offices like Senate or House or

840
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:49.079
governor and so forth. And I
don't think that's fundamentally changed very much.

841
01:00:49.239 --> 01:00:51.679
So you know, go ahead and
try and do this, and people are

842
01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:52.880
going to say, yeah, but
you know, I want you know,

843
01:00:54.119 --> 01:00:58.199
I'm still mad about not getting the
extra three chips in my Dorrito's bag.

844
01:00:58.280 --> 01:01:00.960
And you want to talk about abortion, Well nonsense, Okay, enough of

845
01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:05.519
that, Okay, all right,
So we were going to talk about our

846
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:07.239
article of the week and we're not. Steve says we're not going to have

847
01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:09.920
time. So I mean a quick, quick topic. I just want to

848
01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:16.519
ask John what he thinks about the
fact that Harvard has appealed to the I

849
01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:25.559
think it's the local local government for
a loan bond issuance that Harvard would have

850
01:01:25.639 --> 01:01:30.559
to pay back to pay for some
of their ongoing construction. The richest,

851
01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:37.079
the richest university in the country is
asking for government bailouts. What do you

852
01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:42.199
think about that, John, it's
your alma mater, It's my alma mater,

853
01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:46.519
and so it shows you. I
think that the harm from the disgraceful

854
01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:52.360
performance of President Clauding Cay is having
a really serious effect, far beyond what

855
01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:57.239
Harvard wants to admit, because you're
in most universities they have these big endowments,

856
01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:01.159
but it's tied up in you know, building or facilities, land,

857
01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:06.039
or it's committed right. You can't
like, you can't spend the money on

858
01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:09.000
anything. But so and so's you
know, on the Harvey Mansfield's fancy chair,

859
01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:15.119
so you know whoever it's named for, and so you know, the

860
01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:20.119
cause of actually keeping things running from
day to day requires tuition and donations.

861
01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:24.280
And it's better experience than you ever
more evidence you ever needed that Harvard is

862
01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:28.480
suffering. Yeah, can I say
one of the things, I don't get

863
01:02:28.519 --> 01:02:32.039
the impression Berkeley, which I actually
think strangely until you know, I didn't.

864
01:02:32.039 --> 01:02:36.920
We did to talk about this week
there was an ugly anti Semitic protests

865
01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:40.320
at Berkeley since we take lass.
I actually didn't know it was the event

866
01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:45.920
was going on, or I would
have gone to it. But Berkeley and

867
01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:49.000
Berkeley, I don't think this is
a probably this has happened with us because

868
01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:53.719
I think actually our chancellor has been
pretty trying to be pretty downline, has

869
01:02:53.800 --> 01:02:59.320
not sent out these messages, did
not testify, and in fact, one

870
01:02:59.400 --> 01:03:02.440
interesting thing is, you know,
there was an effort by these pro Palestinian

871
01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:07.039
groups I'm not even sure how many
of them were students to disrupt an event

872
01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:10.679
here at campus and actually force the
event to be canceled. You know,

873
01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:17.199
threatened, maybe assaulted some of the
pro Israel students and broke, tried to

874
01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:22.239
break into the building, destroyed windows
and so on, and tour credit.

875
01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:27.320
The chancellor sent out a message to
the campus saying that they have launched a

876
01:03:27.400 --> 01:03:31.559
police criminal investigation and people will be
expelled and if people are not students they

877
01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:35.559
were just coming from the city,
they're going to be prosecuted. I mean,

878
01:03:35.960 --> 01:03:38.400
I didn't see anything like that happen
at Columbia or m I T or

879
01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:45.079
the other places where you've seen these
attacks on pro Israel student groups. Yeah,

880
01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:46.559
no, absolutely, John, props
to our chancellor I mean, we

881
01:03:46.760 --> 01:03:50.800
put a lot of shade at Berkeley, deservedly so, but not in this

882
01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:53.280
instance. Although we'll see, you
know, how it goes. Hopefully they're

883
01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:57.760
really going to catch some people and
identify them and so forth. The back

884
01:03:57.800 --> 01:04:01.039
of the creatius question about Harvard,
it's actually a little worse than you present,

885
01:04:01.199 --> 01:04:05.480
Lucretia. There they want a billion
they want to borrow. Well,

886
01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:10.039
no, it would actually be yeah, but you'll like it though they won't.

887
01:04:10.079 --> 01:04:13.159
They're trying to borrow a billion and
a half dollars with a fifty billion

888
01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:15.480
dollar endowment. And what John points
out is an awful lot of those assets

889
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:19.719
are tied up in private equity and
or not liquid. But the point you

890
01:04:19.880 --> 01:04:25.079
raised, Lucretia is they're asking local
government to be the agent for these bonds.

891
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:28.679
Why it's expensive to borrow right now
if you're Harvard, But if you

892
01:04:28.719 --> 01:04:31.280
can make the municipal bonds in the
City of Cambridge or some other local government

893
01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:34.159
unit, you get a lower interest
rate and it's tax deductible for the people

894
01:04:34.159 --> 01:04:38.719
who buy it. So they're asking
for you know, a special deal and

895
01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:43.400
tax deduction or tax preference for it, right which you know, typical of

896
01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:45.719
these people right, and yeah,
it's sort of fun to watch that happen.

897
01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:48.000
And by the way, John,
I did just see a headline that

898
01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:51.039
I don't know if it's Berkeley or
University of California as a whole, but

899
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:57.239
they've just concluded a seven billion dollar
capital campaign that's been going on for several

900
01:04:57.320 --> 01:05:01.119
years. I mean, that's pretty
but I'm kind of abstounded at all that.

901
01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:03.920
And you know, good grief,
why would you well, never mind,

902
01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:11.239
Well, a lot of it was
from me, so in kine contributions

903
01:05:11.280 --> 01:05:15.079
through all my labors. Right,
Actually, do they actually count what you

904
01:05:15.159 --> 01:05:17.320
and I do, the money we
bring in for what do you think?

905
01:05:17.719 --> 01:05:21.519
Yeah? Okay, question? Actually
no, no, I'm sorry. Steve

906
01:05:21.639 --> 01:05:26.000
was asking about money we raised for
our programs at Berkeley. I'm sure they

907
01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:28.800
count that. Oh, I'm sure
they count that, right. Okay,

908
01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:34.039
So I guess according to Steve,
I've talked too much. I gotta why.

909
01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:38.119
No, No, he said we
can't talk about articles. He said,

910
01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:40.480
we can talk about it, Yeah, we can. We have time,

911
01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:42.199
Yeah, we'll wrap it up.
Well, no, we don't have

912
01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:45.639
time, but he said we can't. Okay, So John, do you

913
01:05:45.719 --> 01:05:48.400
have one ready or do you want
to just yeah, so actually I thought

914
01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:56.280
it would be fun too to go
back and look and this is you know,

915
01:05:56.639 --> 01:06:00.480
I just sort of obliquely referred to
go back and look at the articles

916
01:06:00.519 --> 01:06:04.360
that were written about the fourteenth Amendment
disqualification issue. So people who want to

917
01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:10.960
dig into this, the first article
was written by William Bod and Michael Paulson

918
01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:14.199
Bod as a professor Chicago. I
think, yes, still he is a

919
01:06:14.280 --> 01:06:18.679
Chicago Mike Paulson very distinguished the originalists. And this appears in Pennsylvania Larview,

920
01:06:18.719 --> 01:06:23.119
but it's available online. I think
it is the most It's got to be

921
01:06:23.239 --> 01:06:27.480
the most downloaded Larview article in the
history of the internet, like not even

922
01:06:27.559 --> 01:06:30.440
close. But then the thing people
might not have realized that there are two

923
01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:36.800
responses by also original scholars. One
is a fellow named Kurt lash In which

924
01:06:38.119 --> 01:06:41.360
on the fourteenth and is also available
online. And Kurt and I actually used

925
01:06:41.360 --> 01:06:44.039
to sit next to each other in
law school classes. We're in the same

926
01:06:44.119 --> 01:06:45.519
class, of course. Yeah,
we would sit in the back of the

927
01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:51.719
classrooms listen to a kill Amar spin
his wild theories about originalism. But that's

928
01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:56.440
where we met and first started working
on these things. So I was so

929
01:06:56.599 --> 01:06:59.920
glad to see him. I think
he's at the University of Richmond. And

930
01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:04.400
then the Josh Blackman, who's a
very well known conservative commentator, and Seth

931
01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:09.199
Tullman also wrote an article about whether
the president was an officer of the un

932
01:07:09.239 --> 01:07:13.719
I say so, I encourage people
if they really want to get behind the

933
01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:17.719
Supreme Court opinions and really decide for
themselves the right answer on this disqualification provision.

934
01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:23.719
Could this is the place to go. These three articles all by originalists.

935
01:07:24.199 --> 01:07:26.480
So let me ask you a question
about that. Don do you think

936
01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:30.599
that this is going to be an
ongoing issue or do you think that once

937
01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:36.920
this next twenty twenty four election is
complete and Trump is installed into office successfully,

938
01:07:38.280 --> 01:07:40.920
that the whole thing will die a
natural death. Or do you think

939
01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:45.760
that this phony charge of insurrection is
going to be leveled from now on and

940
01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:50.639
forever for any candidate. You know, we didn't charge the Hilary with insurrection,

941
01:07:50.800 --> 01:07:55.320
but we should have by the same
standards, you know. So for

942
01:07:56.000 --> 01:07:59.360
this is the problem with what the
Democrats are doing. I'm sure they think

943
01:07:59.480 --> 01:08:01.800
everything they done is a one and
they say this right, this is all

944
01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:08.000
a one off. Because Trump is
an unprecedented, unique threat to democracy.

945
01:08:08.079 --> 01:08:11.320
But what they don't realize is that
you Steve mentioned, they started off a

946
01:08:11.400 --> 01:08:16.399
spiral now because they're going they invite
retaliation. Yeah, so I think it's

947
01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:19.840
going to be with us, right, just like impeachment has changed now,

948
01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:24.680
just like we saw the appeachment of
Cabinet secretary for the first time since the

949
01:08:24.720 --> 01:08:29.079
Civil War period, and we've seen
a right impeachment investigation at Joe Biden because

950
01:08:29.159 --> 01:08:31.560
now peachment is going to be used
much more broadly than it was before.

951
01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:36.399
Yeah, yeah, okay, all
right, Steve, do you have an

952
01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:40.399
article? I do. I've actually
going to go bring up a really old

953
01:08:40.479 --> 01:08:44.239
one, but it's really salient now
and I'm using it for class. You'll

954
01:08:44.239 --> 01:08:47.560
recognize why. It was twenty five
years ago now that Daniel Patrick moynihan wrote

955
01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:54.399
in The American Scholar his article defining
Devancy down and it was a big sensation

956
01:08:54.520 --> 01:08:57.479
at the time, like you often
did. And the title tells you the

957
01:08:57.520 --> 01:09:00.840
whole story, right, I just
think of the euphemism we use these days,

958
01:09:00.920 --> 01:09:05.359
right, several years ago you started
hearing it. Well, mo in

959
01:09:05.439 --> 01:09:09.039
a hand wrote a lot about how
in the eyes and now in Kennedy years

960
01:09:09.079 --> 01:09:12.680
we talked about juvenile delinquency, and
you know, we would have commissions on

961
01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:16.079
the problems of juvenile delinquency. What's
the euphemism we use now from the left,

962
01:09:16.520 --> 01:09:23.119
it's justice involved youth. This has
been heard this. Oh yeah,

963
01:09:23.199 --> 01:09:26.960
you'll hear the that's what the progressive
prosecutors, that we have justice involved youth,

964
01:09:27.119 --> 01:09:29.359
like you know, there's a uh. And then of course we've seen

965
01:09:29.359 --> 01:09:31.800
this in immigration. Uh you know, it wasn't illegal aliens, it was

966
01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:38.279
migrants. And of course migrants because
of what's happened, uh, suddenly in

967
01:09:38.279 --> 01:09:40.760
the last three four weeks, So
Lucretia, you picked up on this.

968
01:09:40.880 --> 01:09:45.880
They're now calling them newcomers to our
country because migrants has acquired some baggage,

969
01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:49.279
right, and if the President of
the United States calls them illegals, can

970
01:09:49.359 --> 01:09:53.479
we do so again? Yeah,
well he's catching a lot of flak for

971
01:09:53.560 --> 01:09:57.039
that, right. And I didn't
hear this newcomers is now newcomers. Yeah,

972
01:09:57.319 --> 01:10:00.039
my administration what's your name, Kreem, John, Pierre, Start,

973
01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:05.680
Paul whatever it has used that phrase
and that's yeah, okay, they're going

974
01:10:05.720 --> 01:10:09.840
to try and promote that one now
along with you know, justice involved youth.

975
01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:13.920
It's you know, this is not
a new phenomenon or well flagged it

976
01:10:13.960 --> 01:10:17.239
in that famous politics and English language
say way back when about you know,

977
01:10:17.319 --> 01:10:21.159
when you have these euphemisms, there's
something really dishonest going on, and that

978
01:10:21.439 --> 01:10:25.760
is uh, someone said, these
days we'll not only find dev and c

979
01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:30.119
down uh, you know, on
the substance of issues, but we're also

980
01:10:30.239 --> 01:10:34.399
now normalizing dishonesty. That gets back
to Biden's speech again. Uh. But

981
01:10:34.600 --> 01:10:38.720
beyond that, I mean, we're
now sort of, you know, normalizing

982
01:10:38.760 --> 01:10:43.279
dishonesty on a very wide scale.
So deviancy dishonesty. Uh. And if

983
01:10:43.319 --> 01:10:45.239
I can find an online link to
the article, the mon article, I'll

984
01:10:45.279 --> 01:10:48.560
do it. I have an old
hard copy. But it's reminded me that

985
01:10:48.720 --> 01:10:54.800
that's one of those that should we
reread everything his famous Yeah, great choice.

986
01:10:55.720 --> 01:11:00.439
Okay, so is it a little
bit more current, which I guess

987
01:11:00.520 --> 01:11:03.119
is a good thing. By contrast, and that's an Alex Bearnson article that

988
01:11:03.279 --> 01:11:08.159
refers to something we talked about only
briefly because we didn't have enough time left.

989
01:11:08.159 --> 01:11:14.319
But that's the Markstein Michael Mann case. But the argument it's actually a

990
01:11:14.359 --> 01:11:20.439
two part article, is that free
speech is under attack because defamation law has

991
01:11:20.520 --> 01:11:29.119
been weaponized against climate change skeptics,
and I think that's a really interesting idea

992
01:11:29.319 --> 01:11:38.079
that you know, you don't necessarily
make it illegal to yet to question whether

993
01:11:38.199 --> 01:11:43.640
or not there's anthropomorphic global warming,
which we now have to call climate change,

994
01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:46.279
because the global isn't really warming in
the way that you know, we

995
01:11:46.359 --> 01:11:49.760
were told it was going to.
And there are still polar bears out there

996
01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:55.000
in case you guys didn't know that, and al Gore is still alive and

997
01:11:55.119 --> 01:11:58.880
not frozen to death, which is
also unfortunate. However, that being said,

998
01:11:59.640 --> 01:12:03.239
that the whole point of this is
that with the kind of even out

999
01:12:03.239 --> 01:12:10.239
of a DC jury, with the
kind of incredible judgment that was brought against

1000
01:12:10.319 --> 01:12:13.920
Michael excuse me, mark Stein,
in this this is going to be a

1001
01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:16.840
new weapon, first of all,
probably for climate change to shut people up,

1002
01:12:16.840 --> 01:12:20.279
because who wants to go through what
it was mark Stein went through.

1003
01:12:20.840 --> 01:12:27.479
I mean even that it's funny because
there's a quote in Bearnson's article. This

1004
01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:34.000
is by sorry, Alex Bearnson writes
this article, he quotes from the Washington

1005
01:12:34.159 --> 01:12:42.439
host My dogs are marking, just
basically saying you have a right to say

1006
01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:45.319
stupid, mean things. You have
a right to say stupid, mean things

1007
01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:48.479
if they are opinions. You know, the First Amendment protects that. And

1008
01:12:48.560 --> 01:12:53.840
of course nobody thought that Mark Stein
would ever win this case. Do you

1009
01:12:53.960 --> 01:12:59.479
think there's going to be a chilling
effect on free speech by this case?

1010
01:12:59.560 --> 01:13:01.920
Do you think others are going to
come around and maybe sue Steve for his

1011
01:13:03.119 --> 01:13:11.199
entirely two factually based, evidence based
articles against climate change alarmism. Yeah,

1012
01:13:11.319 --> 01:13:15.119
I mean, so look there.
This is maybe a unique case, but

1013
01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:16.560
it does have a parallel, I
think to some of the problems with tort

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law that got sorted out to a
large extent the last twenty thirty years.

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By that, I mean Man chose
a DC jury, you know, his

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man's lawyer. In a summation of
the jury, or maybe he asked Stein,

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I forget, but he brought up
that, oh, you've been the

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guest host for Rush Limbaugh, haven't
you, which and the judge granted objection

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that I think that this was prejudicial, which is true. But the whole

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point was DC jury was most likely
to side with Man. And we talked

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before about how the damage award is
completely ridiculous by the way Stein might be

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faulted. I mean I'm all four
him all the rest of that. I

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think he put on a good show. But he did represent himself, which

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was probably a mistake. Great case
to let lawyers do the work. Yes,

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that's right, and now he does
need to have a lawyer, I

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think for the appeal on the mat
anyway, No, you don't you yourself?

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Well well all right, well yeah, okay, I think that he

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didn't. Okay, I'm going to
say right now, I'm willing to represent

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him for free on appeal, but
I don't think that's the game here.

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He wants to represent himself, he
can find people to represent them for free.

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Well, what the thing is if
I think there is a danger that,

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you know, politicized parties can pick
their juries and their jurisdictions to bring

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these cases that happened with tortlaugh for
a long time, and finally the Supreme

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Court essentially said, correct me,
John, or maybe statutes were passed,

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but you know, we don't want
to have national standards for damages for BMW

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set by a little county in Alabama, right, and Texas did the same

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thing. It used to bet with
Harris County used to be maybe what I

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forget some little county in Texas was
always where planets lawyers would go for product

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liability suits and they'd win before a
sympathetic jerk, and we finally fixed that

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problem. I think this problem is
going to be fixed too, because it

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is quite insidious. And I think
at the end of the day, even

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the ACLU as rotten as they are
are going to come out. I think

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they did by the way. I
think all the lefty organizations were on Mark

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Stein's side in this lawsuit, and
I think this is not gonna But maybe

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I'm being too cheerful again, as
you frequently accused me, my infernal optimism

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01:15:17.359 --> 01:15:24.159
called eternal infernal optimism, right,
Okay, So I guess Babylon b time

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and most of them are because for
the obvious reasons, are going to be

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concentrated around the SFTU. The that
you get a kick out of some of

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them though they're quite clever, dementia
meds met their match, or DC area

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01:15:42.720 --> 01:15:49.560
pharmacies all out of stimulants. Biden
opened State of the Union address by saying

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hello to Dianne Feinstein. Oh yeah, White House explains secure fence. I

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01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:03.279
don't know if you guys saw the
security they built around the Capitol building.

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White House explained. Security fence around
capital is to keep president from wandering off

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01:16:08.800 --> 01:16:15.399
grounds during speed All right, that's
probably enough because we're really long. Yeah,

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have a camealism, John, No, remember we've replaced it with the

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articles. Yeah. Well right at
this point, it's sort of yeah right,

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okay. You know though, by
the way, Steve, you you

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mentioned that we're you know, we've
got to replace some words with others.

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Are we now going to replace Republicans
with the word Americans? Well you know

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they're going to give it to us, sure, right, yeah, all

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right, well Steve, you want
to help you check us out, Stephen,

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John always drink geary whiskey meat.
Let's go. Brandon and Steve,

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God Save the Queen, Man and
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