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I have said, coaches, front
offices, and certainly media and fans force

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quarterbacks onto the field long before their
time. So in this league, I

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believe Charles, that we kill,
we crush more quarterback prospects than we may

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in the league. What do you
think, Wayne, I think you You've

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made an excellent point and there's only
one one group that you left out about

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forcing them onto the field that people
signed the checks. This is the Laravie

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Hi, everybody, I'm Wayne Laravie and

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I'm Matt Lapett. On this episode
of the Laravie La Pay Podcast, we

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check in with our old friend Charles
Davis as we take this podcast the NFL

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Draft a little more than a week
away. Charles is a lead NFL analyst

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on CBS on Sundays, and one
of his other gigs is NFL Network,

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We welcome in Charles Davis, CBS
Sports NFL Analyst on Sundays into the fall,

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and of course NFL Network Draft expert
in the spring. And first off,

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Charles, you have obviously covered Matt
and I got to know you very

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well your many years covering the Big
ten on television on Saturdays. Now you're

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on Sundays the number two team at
CBS with Iron Eagle and obviously done some

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great work there. And NFL Network
is kind of your off season gig,

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is it not. Yeah, that's
a great way of putting it, Wayne.

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And you know the thing is,
I think all of us we try

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and determine what an off season is. And I can look at you and

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Matt and know that neither one of
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isn't it funny like if you go
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and say to yourself, when was
I working in this business that seasons were

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clearly defined? It'd be interesting,
wouldn't it to go back in your mind?

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When did I feel like it was
clear? Because we've all three of

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us have worked long enough that there
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yeah, seasons were defined. You
know, this was happening, that

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was happening. But now the NFL
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of every season. We're down to
about a six week stretch where the NFL

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is not really prevalent, and that
is after OTA's mini camps, after the

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draft, you get about six weeks
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That's about what we're getting, six
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And that's when the NFL kind of
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that's about it. The rest of
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I've told people before, and you
two will probably remember this, the NFL

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draft was not a thing. The
NFL draft was so far behind your local

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newspaper putting up a headline that says
pictures and catchers report true, catchers reportment

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everything, sporting news, box scores. You watch your baseball what do we

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call their offseason the hot stove League? Yep, when's the last time you

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heard hot stove league? When's the
last time you knew who was in the

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minor league system of any baseball team
that you care to back. When's the

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last time you knew who was coming
up, who the next superstar was and

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all that. But the NFL,
you know who the draft picks are gonna

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be. The NFL has figured this
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the Hot Stove League, and Charles, the college game is trying to follow

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that with its own form of free
agency these days, which is a topic

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for an entirely different but they're following. They're trying to follow the model,

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it seems at least, and staying
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NFL, somebody snaps a finger in
the world stops because we want to find

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out what's going on. It's just
that powerful. Now, Yeah, they

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figured it out. So yeah,
this is our off season gig, but

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it's really not. It's part of
the as part of the whole machinery,

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right, it's part of as part
of the churn that continues. And by

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the way, we're gonna be talking
about all these kids next year when we

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start calling games again. When Wayne, when you when you're lining up your

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boards and getting ready for the Packers
versus, you'll be like, oh,

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yeah, I remember that kid in
the draft process, whether he's on your

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team or not. You know,
it's just kind of it works. And

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Matt, you know all the kids
going into it right, Oh yeah,

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I saw this kid at such and
such and when Wisconsin plated. It's that's

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just how it works for us.
So my payoff for all of this is

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when we start the season the next
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I know that kid. Oh yeah, I know that kid. Oh

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yeah, I know that kid.
He might be an undrafted free agent,

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but I probably studied him. Yeah, and you've got a story on him

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and some insight into where you go
you got here. That's all this.

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That's the stuff that makes you a
special analyst. I think in the fact

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that you're you're on top of that
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context of the next season. Yeah, well we did that together, I

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mean, the two of us.
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for multiple years, and believe me, I was observing and learning Wayne.

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Okay, So it wasn't like I
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to do it. I saw your
preparation. I saw how you were ready

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for all this. I saw how
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your ballgame and have those nuggets and
whether it was a kid on one team

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or the other team, or he
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you had all of that. You
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that if I call and ask him
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down. But guess what, Matt
knows the other teams in there playing as

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well. This is this is where
the preparation part of it isn't just simply

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that. Because if you cover one
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where that's our school or that's our
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everyone else go. But that's never
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at all. I called him up
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probably shouldn't ask this because of you
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get it. Yeah, talk a
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to Gopher and Matt would know him. Yeah. Just kind of part of

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the part of the weirdness of all
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it just kind of, yeah,
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you talk like that, I think
of two guys as we get to the

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positions the quarterback. The quarterbacks in
this draft. Two guys who aren't big

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ten guys, but I've seen them. Jane Daniels Wisconsin play Arizona State game

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a few years ago and he's like, Okay, pretty good slender. No

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idea that he would be a couple
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Michael Pennix, remember him from Indiana
when he wasn't hurt. He had terrible

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luck with injuries. And to see
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mean, the talk is, well, let me ask you, Charles,

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I mean, there could be could
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the first round. Well, yeah, yeah, I mean what is it

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compared to what year? I mean, there have been a lot of great

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quarterbacks of course in the draft,
but the depth of this what does this

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year's draft compare to Well, I'm
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three, but that's the number now, the talent level that remains to be

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seen. Nineteen eighty three was John
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Ken O'Brien. Wow, you know
that was Now, Okay, so Todd

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Blackledge. I think Todd was the
but he was higher like Marino was in

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order. Reno was the last one
exactly, and Charles, there was something

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going on about Marino. It had
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the draft. The whole offseason that
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I'll never forget him, number one. He's a heck of a guy.

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But John Mackovic had just taken over
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I was still broadcasting their games and
Tom Blacklitch had he had the pick of

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the quarterbacks in that draft for the
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And of those quarterbacks, unfortunately,
Todd didn't have nearly the career that

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those other guys went on to have, several of who went into the Hall

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of Fame. It's amazing, isn't
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there to see it. And it
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And Matt I'm gonna get back to
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talked with a Super Bowl winning head
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five years ago, whatever it was, and he told me, and

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we went through evaluating quarterbacks and at
the end, this was the nutshell comment.

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Charles, we spent a lot of
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these quarterbacks. He said, I'm
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to blindfold dartboard dart about the same
thing. Now. That was a very

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telling statement to me. Was he
being somewhat tongue in cheek, Yes,

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absolutely, because we all think we
can figure it out. But what he

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was saying is we spent a lot
of time doing this and we get a

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lot of them wrong. Yeah,
he'll get around right. We do a

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lot of time, a lot of
money, a lot of people power spent

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on this, and we tend to
get a lot of them wrong. Because

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if I'm not mistaken, Todd Black, which is the second quarterback off the

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board in that draft, I think
first one was Lway and Blackleitch came off

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the board, Kelly came off the
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O'Brien or Easton. I think it
was Easton O'Brien, and then Marine know

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and Renos is Wayne and so Stutid. He pointed out, I had nothing

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to do with on field. You
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There's heavy rumors about his off field
activity and he dropped in Miami was a

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beneficiary Jade and Daniels. Michael Pennix, you mentioned Daniels build. He weighed

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in at two o seven at the
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it was two o seven in that
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seven. I'm like last year when
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One knew as soon as he gets
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to the bathroom for hours because it's
water weight. Because right, because Bryce,

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Right, because Bryce, because Bryce
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to add the weight, trying to
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that was a huge question mark for
people about Ken, this that this body

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type hold up. Well, he
waged two oh four, which made everyone

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who wanted to draft him satisfied and
everyone who was observing and go, yeah,

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okay, he's really what one ninety
Okay, kay, Danams is legit

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two seven to eight whatever it is
he weighed because of what you saw,

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Matt, you saw him as that
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Remember this is a five year process. Three years in Arizona State, two

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years at LSU. He has gotten
himself there, so he's still more slightly

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built than other quarterbacks, but not
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So no one's even really talking about
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okay. Michael Pennix, it was
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you were doing Wisconsin Indiana games.
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answered the bell for every start.
So it do all depends on team doctors

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and how much they want to ding
a guy for past injuries. Do they

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think this's gonna be a problem going
forward. You always hear about can he

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even get to a second contract,
blah blah blah. I know this.

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The last two years, this guy's
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play and elevated his team and played
You know, I'm not a doctor,

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I won't play one here on your
great podcast, but I would put my

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eggs more in the basket of these
last two years. This kid is held

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up. I kind of like what
I'm saying, And both of them have

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a legit chance. Well, Daniels
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probably in the top five. Pennix
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remember Will Levis. Last year he
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He didn't go to the second day. Oh, none of us saw

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that coming. I'm not predicting it
for Michael Pennix, but it started out

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where he was off the pace,
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Now he's all the way up into
maybe the top fifteen. Let's wait

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and see. Nothing would surprise me. Goes top fifteen. I won't be

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surprised if he goes the second day, I would not be shocked. I

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won't fall out of my chair.
But I think he's one of those guys

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that the coaches like him more and
more, and the scouts had evaluate him

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at a certain level. But coaches
spending time with him, they keep rising

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him because they like what they're getting
out of him. They like the young

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man, they like his football acumen, they like what they see on tape,

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they like all those things coaches have
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It's a matter of whether your GM
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has much broke in your building.
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Letter of Vian pay podcast. The

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quarterback position is the most prominent position
in the draft this year. It's probably

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one of the deepest positions, Charles, if I'm not mistaken close to it,

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you know, but it's the most
prominent. It's going to be dominant

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on the opening night of the draft. As many as four quarterbacks could be

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picked one, two, three,
four. Which has it ever happened to

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the draft? I don't know we've
ever got one, two, three four,

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but it could have happened great.
I don't know. The pet poor.

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The problem is, uh, this
is the toughest position, is all

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tellent evaluators in the NFL told me
it's the toughest position to evaluate. Now.

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On our last podcast, Charles,
Matt and I were talking about a

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column written by Rick Goslin, the
NFL writer from Dallas, and he was

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taking he's been a draft writer for
a number of number of years, and

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he talked about the thing he looked
at first with quarterbacks and he said,

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this is kind of held up over
the years. How many snaps did they

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get in college? Okay? And
his number was thirteen hundred, because if

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you got that many steps, that
many starts, you had a lot on

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tape, You had a lot of
experience. You were better prepared to become

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a pro and better prepared to play
early in your pro career. The quarterbacks

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like a Trey Lance who had almost
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he had one hand, one season
plus one game to college. Yeah,

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I mean, you know, and
so he get in San Francisco, gave

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away smart organization, right, we
all think they're the cats me out in

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the NFL today. They spent a
whole mortgage. They mortgage the future,

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it seemed like to get this prospect, and now he's with the Dallas Cowboys

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and don't know how long he'll be
there. The problem is, you know,

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what Rick pointed out was you need
to see these guys on the collegiate

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level, especially now that they're playing
in more pro oriented systems, to get

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a feel for how good these guys
can be on the next level. And

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the fact is, if you look
at this draft, there are two prominent

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quarterbacks who don't make that simple criteria
of number of throws in college in a

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game, and that would be Drake
May of North Carolina and JJ McCarthy of

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Michigan. Neither thrown a thousand passes
in college. Now that doesn't mean they

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won't be great. But the point
is, if you draft him, don't

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expect this kid and don't throw him
to the fire. Don't throw early.

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Maybe he sits a year, Maybe
he does what Pat Mahomes did, you

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know what I mean? Maybe he
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and you sit a couple of years. But you've got to be careful

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with quarterbacks. And we in the
NFL, and I'll have said, coaches,

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front offices and certainly media and fans
force quarterbacks onto the field long before

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their time. So in this league, I believe Charles that we kill,

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we crush more quarterback prospects than we
may in the league. What do you

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think, Wayne, I think you've
made an excellent point. And there's only

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one one group that you left out
about forcing them onto the field that people

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signed the checks. Oh yeah,
yep. Because if you've gone in and

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you've said to your ownership group,
whether it's a person people write, whoever

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it is, and you've said,
this is our person, we want this

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person. Now, they've got it
in their head from that moment on,

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when do I get to see that
person especially especially your first rounder. Okay,

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so for those people to sit by
and let them sit and marinate,

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as you said, like Green Bay
is the model place for it. Probably

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a little bit longer for all these
quarterbacks than they ever expected. When you

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go Aaron Rodgers, when you go
Jordan Love having to wait that long,

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that's not quite the optimum for them. But my home sitting for a year

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in Kansas City, and we saw
how that worked out. It's just very

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difficult for people to sit there,
especially if the team's not playing well.

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You've got to have the next thing
to create interest in your team, keep

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people in it. And so you
push these guys out on the field and

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off they go. And you we
all know when it's gonna happen. When's

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their open week. Let's see there
is. That's when it's going to go

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down because we use that extra week
to get them on the number one team

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and off they go. Let me
go very quickly on Drake May and JJ

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McCarty. The reason they don't have
the thousand throws are two entirely different reasons.

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Drake May was a two year starter
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freshman and a sophomore right and he's
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Why because he's likely to be a
top five pick. It makes sense

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like going back to school. You're
taking a heck of a risk, right,

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so you get it. Why he's
coming out. It's only been two

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years. So with only two years, you're not going to get to that

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number that Rick's talking about. The
second JJ McCarthy wasn't a starter immediately,

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but started right about two and a
half years at Michigan. Somewhere in that

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neighborhood, they run the heck out
of the football. I mean, let's

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all be frank here. Did the
three of us ever spend time thinking to

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yourselves, I don't care who's playing
Penn State? All right? Remember I'm

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saying Penn State that they would spend
the entire second half of an offense,

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a second half of a game on
offense, handing the ball to running backs

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and throwing zero passes. On record, they actually threw one in that half,

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but there's a penalty, so on
record that pass never happened. Twenty

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eight runs in the second half.
Did you hear what I said? Penn

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State, Michigan, Penn State,
no world that I grew up in that

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that you would ever think that somebody
could run at twenty eight straight times against

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Penn State and never be forced to
throw the football. That makes no sense,

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My point being that's a microcosm with
JJ McCarthy's career. Now how Michigan

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ran offense, so he wasn't going
to in Oklahoma or a usc and they're

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gonna fling it, fling it,
fling it, fling it. So to

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your point, Wayne, they don't
have the throws. Now the evaluators have

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to get involved with Okay, I
know the reasons. Why can I overlook

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it? Can I make an aut
for it? Can I make this happen?

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Right? Made? You've raised such
a great point, and that's where

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they dig in. And the last
part was Bill Parcels, the Hall of

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Fame coach. Remember you always had
a quarterback formula. How many starts was

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he a team captain? How many
wins? You know he had all these

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things in there that he wanted to
see a criteria. Well, we all

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know that criteria is dwindling because the
kids have a chance to enter the league

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earlier and these things happened. Trey
Lance is never going to reach that formula.

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Okay, you just mentioned it here. Drake May's not going to reach

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that formula. It's too good for
him. Mark Sanchez. This really kind

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of started with Mark Sanchez came out
because he had sixteen starts with USC.

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He went six to the Jets,
you know, and they went to back

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to back AFC Championship games his rookie
year in the second year. But he

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wasn't the fulcrum of them going.
He was part of it, and he

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never reached the heights at he number
six pick would reach, you know.

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So so to your point, when
that's what the evalue wears have to fight

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through all the time and try and
figure out. And for the life of

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me, I'm trying to figure out
who that person was that had less of

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those throws but came out and adapted
immediately and played well. And I don't

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have anyone hitting my frontal lobe just
yet. Yeah. Same here. Let's

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shift to the receivers, which again
I've saw Marvin Harrison, He's ridiculous.

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You know. The two guys in
LSU played briefly in the bowl game and

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then they got out of the way. Elite Neighbors Draft, Yeah right,

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I didn't see Ronald Dounza but is
there a great separation there? I mean,

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to me, Harrison would be the
best, but maybe the drop isn't

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all that significant between neighbors and a
doose as well. I would agree with

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that, Matt, it's not it's
not as significant normally we have a break.

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I'll put to you this way.
The most significant gap I've got between

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the top guy and the next guy
and any of the positions at tight end,

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that's Brock, Bowers and Chase.
Okay, But for this one,

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Harrison I think is the consensus number
one. You may find a team or

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too that likes a dunes better.
You may find a team or two that

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likes neighbors better, but I don't
think there's much of it. The consensus

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would be Harrison and then not as
much of a gap. And it's a

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big wide receiver crop. So if
you don't get your target right away,

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you don't have to force it.
You're gonna get a similar type player.

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Second round, third round, fourth
round. So that that's where we're going

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with this draft. But I'm with
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A lot of people have a Duneza
too from Washington. I have neighbors too,

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But let me limput it this way, if you took neighbors ahead of

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me and I took a Doonsay,
I'm not breaking down and crying. Okay,

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I'm gonna be Okay, go ahead. I was mentioning, you know,

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the wide receiver position, I said
earlier, quarterbacks one of the you

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know, stronger positions in this draft. Un back nuts so much. Offensive

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tackles good, interior, offensive line
not as good as it's been in recent

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years. And then you look at
this receiver group. Is is this how

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good a group is this overall?
Charles? Is this one of the deepest

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groups we've seen? Yeah? I
think so, Wayne, I really do,

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because you're right about the quarterbacks being
deep. If we're talking about six

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in the first round, it's a
deep group, right, Yeah. But

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I think it's really top heavy.
I think the quarterbacks and the offensive tackles

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have a similarity. That we have
really great players or really great kids that

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we're evaluating coming into the league that
we're giving big time grades to. But

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then it's not as good as you
continue to go down through it. Receiver,

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that's a whole nother deal. All
right, Okay, I don't get

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roma Dunze, all right, I
look up and you say to you,

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tell me, Okay, you're not
getting Roma Dunze in the first round,

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but I'm gonna give you Malachi Corley
in the second round or the third round

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from Western Kentucky. Oh, he's
gonna be a playmaker for me. I'm

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gonna find a way for things to
work for him. In fact, I

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pull let me grab my notes here
real quick, because you guys brought up

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something that's really fun to me.
With these guys. Let's say you're a

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University of Texas, do you want
xavier' worthy? You want out of Mitchell

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A? D Mitchell? Which guy
do you want? This is Texas.

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If you're a University of Washington,
it's Roma Dunsa, Jalen Polk, Jalen

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McMillan. Those were the top three
receivers. All of them are getting picked

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in this draft, all of them
probably getting picked before Round four is over.

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Okay, so this is what we've
got going on in college football now.

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Xavier Legett out of South Carolina.
He looks like DK Metcalf runs a

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little bit like him. I think
he ran four three nine at the at

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the combine. It's a one year
starter at South Carolina. Wow, phenomenal

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special teams player. But when that
one year has elevated himself up into this

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discussion, if I really want to
go deep, I'm gonna call you,

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call you and tell you Tulu Griffin
from Mississippi State, pretty darn good football

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player, but he's not gonna rate
up there the other guys. But wouldn't

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be surprised to maybe make someone's roster
because right now, in the last year,

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Buka Nakua is the patron saint of
wide receivers. Going in the fifth

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round and having the year that he
had with the Rams. Now people need

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to do a quick dig on that
one. He only went in the fifth

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round because every year of BYU he
was hurt. Okay, just like Taysom

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Hill was it BYU. Every year
he got hurt. So it was a

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different And now you're getting the medicals. Now you got I didn't see enough

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of this. And then Puka stayed
healthy, like he came to the Senior

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Bowl last year, best player on
the field Day one, got hurt,

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didn't finish the week. That's in
the fifth round, Puka Nakua had a

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clean bill of health. He goes
no later in the second round, last

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year. So the talent was always
there, but the other factors kicked in.

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But you're right, Wayne, when
you talk about receivers, this is

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a loaded group and I think it's
gonna stay loaded like this for a long

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time because how we're playing football and
how football is being coached from Pop Warner

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up. Pop Warner is going shotgun
and throwing the football, which leads into

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the next position group. It's one
near and deer to Wisconsin Badger fans over

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the years. But the running back
position, we know how valued or maybe

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lack thereof, they are compared to
fifteen, twenty years ago. But Charles

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a guy like Braylan Allen. It's
fascinating to me where he's going to end

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up, where he goes and win. On the one hand, he's still

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a young guy with tread on the
tires. On the other there's probably some

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unknowns asking you for a little bit
of a deep dive here, because I

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don't know if he's even in the
top five considered the top five running backs

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coming out of school. What are
you hearing about him? Where do you

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think he might end up, what
round or what kind of fit, what

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team would make a good fit for
a guy like brayl All. Yeah,

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it's it's a matt. I think
the running I've heard from different people the

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running back run begins in the third
round. Yeah, I have to tell

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you I'm skeptical of that. I
think it starts earlier. We always have

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this conversation, and let me say
always in recent years, this conversation always

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centered it on this running back of
this has been devalued because Aaron Jones,

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what was the fifth round? Sixth
round? Fifth round, fifth round?

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And who? Right, didn't they
didn't the Packers that year ago, running

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back, running back? Running back? They did? They Jamal Williams in

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the fourth And I think there's a
third one that came later on. But

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anyway, all that being said,
we always talk about quote unquote devaluing it

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because the guys who show up and
play well aren't necessarily first round guys.

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But if we get into the playoffs, does the running game not have a

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big effect on a play on playoff
football? You guys are right, how

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good was Aaron Jones last year in
the playoffs? Yeah, if you're San

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Francisco. One of the big moves
they've made, right, You talked about

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the Trey Lance move that didn't pay
off. I'd say the Christian McCaffrey move

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is paid off if you're Kansas City
who remade who they were and went from

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being Patrick Mahomes carry us everywhere to
Patrick Mahomes lead us and turning handed Isaiah

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Pacheco. There's a seventh round pick. Yeah, seventh round despite running four

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three, sixth of the combine.
Somehow he slipped down to the seventh round.

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Yeah. The running back is they
can call it devalued all they want.

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If you want to win and playoff
football, you better have somebody can

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carry the football. The issue is
should I spend high draft collateral to get

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him because history is telling me second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth,

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seventh round that running back can be
that guy for me. And that's

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what we're running into. And that's
why we're talking about devalued. Braylin Allen.

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I think he's in most people's top
bobs, Matt, I really do.

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He is a freight train and what
he has is that that bulk,

407
00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:25.480
that that size, it can affect
you. And here's the issue. You

408
00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:30.480
guys watch NFL football, Mett,
Wayne, we're playing more four to two

409
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:37.200
five, We're playing more college style
defense on NFL. On down one used

410
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:41.160
to be first down, and you
loaded up and here comes everyone else.

411
00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:45.759
We're playing a light box from the
word go. Have you noticed in the

412
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:51.799
last few years the top ten running
backs in the league seven eight of them

413
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:56.839
are all two twenty to twenty five, right, lighter boxes. Big people

414
00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:00.799
beat you up. Okay, you
want to have your your mid size linebackers

415
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:04.279
in. Let's see if they can
deal with my guards and my big guy.

416
00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:11.240
But this is the one thing I
will say offensive coordinators, they don't

417
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:18.960
get their job and they don't get
acclaim for sticking with the run. That's

418
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:22.880
true. Yeah, the thing too, Charles and Wayne and I talked about

419
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:26.079
this on the last part. The
thing that I say, on behalf of

420
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:32.039
somebody like Braylan Allen at Wisconsint.
He had to be great and light boxes.

421
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:34.960
That would be a new concept for
him because even last year when they

422
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:40.759
had to went through their philosophical change
offensively, the majority of his career he

423
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:44.880
was running into loaded boxes and he
had to be the start. He had

424
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:48.359
to be great. We're in the
NFL, not necessarily. I mean,

425
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:51.799
if you're write playoff football, that
can make a big difference. But he's

426
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:55.519
not going to be the sole focus
of a defensive coordinator the way he was

427
00:30:55.559 --> 00:31:00.160
in college. So maybe a guy
like him in some ways could be as

428
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:03.599
effective, if not more, in
helping teams win in the NFL because of

429
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:07.920
the other weapons that are going to
be around. Yeah no, let me

430
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:11.400
nutshell this one. We always want
a pair of guys now in the NFL.

431
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:14.839
We grew up with that one back
on each NFL team. Who was

432
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:18.680
that person? That's that's that's days
gone by. So if it's Aaron Jones,

433
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.640
you love to have Jamal Williams.
Jamal Williams is gone. We drafted

434
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:27.079
AJ Dillon. That's what we're trying
to do with all these guys. So

435
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:32.680
if wherever Braylan Allen goes, I'm
willing to to I'm willing to put down

436
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:36.200
you know, not a wager because
I don't want to get fired and for

437
00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:40.920
gambling, but I'll bet you wherever
Braylan Allen goes, he'll be paired with

438
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:45.119
more of a scatback type. It's
just how it works, yep. And

439
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:49.799
he'll be a solid pro. I
don't think there's nobody, but it might

440
00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:52.359
even be better than that, depending
on if he goes to one of those

441
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:56.319
teams with a heavy run emphasis,
and they start beating people up with him,

442
00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:00.359
he might be like the one of
those breakout running backs. Actually,

443
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:04.640
now, look he's Dereck Henry light. Yeah, you know, he's Derek

444
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:08.240
Henry Light fall security. I think
he's gotten better with that, picking his

445
00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:12.160
feed up as he goes through with
all those of those little guys like me

446
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:15.240
trying to get at his ankles because
we're certainly not taking him on up top.

447
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:19.559
That's just falling. Okay, those
are the things we're going to see.

448
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:22.160
But I like Breylan Allen a lot, and I think most teams have

449
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:24.279
him right up there in that top
five running backs, just a matter of

450
00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:30.880
what they're looking for at the time
he comes up or pick. Let's talk

451
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:35.440
a little bit about the offensive line. We've talked about all these quarterbacks are

452
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:37.880
going to go in the first round, maybe six of them, but somebody

453
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:42.759
told me there could be almost eight
offensive tackles that actually go in the first

454
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:45.640
round of this draft. How do
you see that position and in the offensive

455
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:50.039
line in general. Yeah, And
I think part of that Wayne is because

456
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:54.559
is top heavy, meaning the best
talent of the offensive tackles is in that

457
00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:58.480
grouping. So a lot of teams
are saying, if I'm going to get

458
00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:00.640
one that I really like, I
might have to go get him now,

459
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:02.880
and that might change your draft room
a little bit as you go. If

460
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:06.880
it's if it's closed, I better
go get one of these ots now because

461
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:10.039
the other guy's coming in. Good
players, but not high, not as

462
00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:15.759
highly rated and high as high as
it goes. So we know the top

463
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:20.720
of the food chain, right is
Joe All from Notre Dame, Olufshanu from

464
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:25.880
Penn State to Lise Fwaga from Oregon
State. You know, what do you

465
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:30.119
do? What do you decide to
do with Troy Fatanu from Washington. Some

466
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:32.799
people want to kick him inside the
guard. He can live out there at

467
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:36.640
tackle. His arm link is just
fine. You know. It's not like

468
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:40.400
he's got the pterodactyl arms and he
can't get it done. Excuse me the

469
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:46.680
Tyrannosaurus Rex. Here you go,
dinosaur people coming for me now. My

470
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:51.720
grandson friends want a piece of me, So let me let me make sure

471
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:54.039
I try and get closer to being
correct. But then down on the bottom

472
00:33:54.200 --> 00:34:00.000
quote unquote bottom, how do you
feel about Tyler Guidon from Oklahoma? Yeah,

473
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:02.000
he comes into play later. How
do you feel about Amarus Mims from

474
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:06.799
Georgia with eight collegiate starts. You
know, we're talking about quarterbacks with no

475
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:09.880
experience. This guy just starts and
only you know, seven hundred and something

476
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:14.559
snaps. But you can develop that, oh yeah, exactly. You know

477
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:17.159
they can playhim right away developing.
Yeah, to me, he's a pick

478
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:22.000
for a team that wants to get
him ready for next year, because then

479
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:24.519
you're you know, you give that
old line coach. But if you're drafting

480
00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:29.440
sand I got to plug in play
right away. You're you're projecting a big

481
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:34.039
thing. But a ton of offensive
tackles early first round. I think your

482
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:37.199
number is right after that. Plenty
of guys will go. But you might

483
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:42.800
see some people make a move for
an offensive tackle just because they want to

484
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:45.920
get what they think is one of
the top rated ones here as opposed to

485
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:50.960
what they feel like might be a
little bit of a fall off. Charles,

486
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:53.199
we were talking before we started recording
of the mock drafts of which you

487
00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:57.719
have. You have one more coming
out, But we've talked all this offense,

488
00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:00.440
but you have I think the last
bot that I saw you have them

489
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:05.239
going defense with their first pick don't
you you have the corner out of Clemson.

490
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:08.880
Yeah, I think it was Nate
Wiggins, right, Wiggins, And

491
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:15.239
I can't remember who I did on
the first one. That tells you about

492
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:21.000
this brain power. Right. But
when you talk, you're talking about these

493
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:24.880
positions, these opportunities, these places. It's not just do I have to

494
00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:30.199
go get a guy to fill a
positional need. The smart teams get the

495
00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:35.159
best player and figure it out from
there. All right. I know that

496
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:39.599
somewhere whoever was involved with the Portland
Trailblazers draft in Sam Buie instead of Michael

497
00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:45.119
Jordan It will show up and want
to and want to put me in in

498
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:46.800
in a in a in a choke
lock and make sure I pass out.

499
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:52.960
They're tired of hearing about it,
but it's so illustrative for all of us

500
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:58.920
to remember, the better player wins
every time. I don't care for it's

501
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:01.840
a position of strength. Let's use
Green Bay for an example. Why the

502
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:05.880
neck you draft in Jordan Love and
why the heck you drafted Aaron Rodgers?

503
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:10.239
You know, if you're getting ready
for that very next season. That made

504
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:15.480
no sense both times. But guess
what sure made sense for the franchise?

505
00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:22.199
Didn't it Boom? It works.
Sometimes you get that guy that you drafted

506
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:25.440
a position of strength and if he's
better than the ones you have now you

507
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:29.599
just make a move that person.
You know, someone moves out of there,

508
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:32.239
you get draft capital, you trade
them, and you've added to your

509
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:37.000
team. So I'm very big on
when people say, well, you know

510
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:40.400
they got that they should get.
If that guy's the best one on your

511
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:43.599
board, you better go get him
now. I don't care who it is.

512
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:47.840
You know, Brian Godocotes has five
picks in the top one hundred,

513
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:51.920
and you can say, well,
you can fill a lot of needs.

514
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:54.599
But when I look at it,
Charles, I'm thinking the Packers are going

515
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:59.440
to be movers and shakers in this
first round of the draft and second round

516
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:02.760
of the draft. With these picks. What do you see from what you're

517
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:07.880
thirty three thousand foot bandage Floyd at
Green Bay? What do you anticipate them

518
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:12.039
doing in this draft? Knowing GOODA
Coats is not afraid to move up and

519
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:15.760
down the board, I would say
that he and Manti ausen For from the

520
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:22.320
Arizona Cardinals both might be wearing those
eye shades instead of caps, and they

521
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:25.719
might be they might be the wheelers
dealers. You know, they're the guys

522
00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:29.280
who are going to manipulate the board
and come down, come back up,

523
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:32.519
go here, accumulate there and at
bam when they when they pounce, I

524
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:36.920
bet it's going to be pretty good. Yeah. Remember Montie Austin for it

525
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:42.280
last year many osen Ford did did
the manipulation and Houston worked with him on

526
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:46.400
that was his first draft and he
came out and been manipulating the board and

527
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:51.239
did we say, maybe the value
isn't quite what it should have been because

528
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:54.360
he drafted c J. Strouded too, made the trade and still came away

529
00:37:54.400 --> 00:38:02.000
with will Anderson that those were those
were franchise chains picks because both of them

530
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:07.840
played at a really high level and
they had veterans who were willing to let

531
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:13.440
them come to the front and lead. Quarterback rookies often get the sea on

532
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:16.239
their jersey just because everybody wants to
avoid us asking how, well, when's

533
00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:19.840
your quarterback going to be a captain? Shouldn't your quarterback be a captain?

534
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:22.119
They just slap it on them and
call it a day. But if you

535
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:25.119
ask anyone in Houston, CJ.
Stroud earned it date by day two,

536
00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:30.519
while he was there, But when
you go back to Monty, he was

537
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:32.719
a wheeler deal last year. He's
going to be a wheeler dealer this year

538
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:36.519
because they got to come out of
it. I think with a pass rusher

539
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:39.480
in Arizona, and yes, I'm
finally figuring out Arizona a pass rusher and

540
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:44.519
they need a receiver. Their receivers
are like thirty first or thirty second last

541
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:49.159
year on the perimeter and giving them
yards. It doesn't work. The fourth

542
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:52.800
pick of the first round Arizona,
right, that's the target. Everybody's saying

543
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:58.760
that one of those team's going there, Vikings Oakland. You know a number

544
00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:01.599
of teams might trade up into that
spot. What you're saying, the best

545
00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:06.480
thing Arizona probably got to do is
sit there and draft Marvin Harrison junior period.

546
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:08.760
It wouldn't be a bad thing,
But I wouldn't be surprised if Mani

547
00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:14.400
made a move because there's such a
deep receiving core. Sure, if you

548
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:17.599
don't get Marvin Harrison, you don't
move too far. You get Roma dun

549
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:22.519
Leak Neighbor someone like that, and
you keep adding your picks and you keep

550
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:24.159
adding to the board. Plus he's
gonna want to take a shot. I

551
00:39:24.199 --> 00:39:28.760
think it one of those those edge
rushers early, whether it's Jared Versu leout

552
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:32.679
to La Tou or Dallas Turner.
So if he can pull that off and

553
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:37.679
still get those types of positions,
more power to him. That's why I

554
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:40.400
think Brian Gudikins and Manti Osco can
both be in the same spot. Just

555
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:44.599
that Mini's gonna get more of the
calls because of where he sits initially at

556
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:49.400
four. Joe Matz, the general
manager of Los Angeles Chargers. I keep

557
00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:52.599
wants Monty Austin for it to pass
all those calls to him. He's at

558
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:59.159
five. Joe's cap strapped taking over
with the Chargers. They are cap strapped

559
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:04.440
like crazy. He's trying to jennison
people at contracts. He would love to

560
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:07.800
make a move and move down and
accumulate picks and maybe get rid of some

561
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:09.840
salary as well. But Mannie,
I think he's gonna get first bite at

562
00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:14.719
the apple. As you put in
Wayne now, Mike Guy Harbaugh says he's

563
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:17.880
gonna build that offensive line. You
think he'll stay put and maybe take Joe

564
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:22.639
Walt were there run If he stays
put and and takes Joe Alt at five.

565
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:30.920
You will hear the whale from Nashville, Tennessee. People hear Ram cart

566
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:35.960
On their GM going no, no, no. That's why I think that

567
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:39.320
ran cart On, Tennessee might be
a surprise mover in this first round.

568
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:44.599
Yeah. Interesting, they went got
Calvin Ridley, so they fulfilled kind of

569
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:50.800
the wide receiver last year Hopkins this
year Calvin Ridley. They had drafted Trailing

570
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:54.280
Birch from Arkansas. They got their
quarterback last year and Will Levis they got

571
00:40:54.280 --> 00:41:00.480
a brand new head coach. But
you got to protect all your assets and

572
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:05.320
alt left tackle. Remember they drafted
Peter scrosskyt guard last year. I know

573
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:08.760
we did. They win got Lloyd
cushion Berry from the Denver Broncos. He's

574
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:14.119
going to be the center now they're
building something. But they got to get

575
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:17.519
that left tackle because they swung and
miss on Andre Dillard last year and that's

576
00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:22.599
a big miss. Charles changing directions
here with a very general question. We

577
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:28.800
talked at the beginning of the changing
landscape and college athletics with the transfer portal.

578
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:31.199
Now the best of the best.
You go from school A to school

579
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:34.199
B. If you can play,
you can play. If you're a guy

580
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:37.440
like Jayden Daniels or obviously Michael Pennix. But are you hearing anywhere? Not

581
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:42.000
with the first rounders, but as
you get deeper into the draft, where

582
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:47.039
if a player is at pre schools
it just bounces around. Does it work

583
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:51.239
against him or do they just ignore
that they've turned on the tape? So

584
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:53.239
well, No, it's got I
don't care if it's three schools, four

585
00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:57.519
schools, does it? Is there
a point where that's come up in conversation

586
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.039
less and less? Matt, I
think I think my parallel to it was

587
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:07.800
opting out. Every one opting out
began. Leonard Fournette at LSU was kind

588
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:10.679
of the face of opting out.
But I always thought that we as a

589
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:15.519
total media missed. Truthfully, the
face of opting out was Christian McCaffery.

590
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:21.360
Yes he was yep, but because
he was at Stanford, because he was

591
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:27.199
Christian McCaffrey, a lot of us
just went past that one. He was

592
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:30.760
the first to kind of do it. But to the to the point of

593
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:35.480
both of them, everyone kind of
I say everyone, they did it right,

594
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:38.000
It's just that we as people were
like, what, you're sitting out

595
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:42.039
bowl games, You're not finishing with
your team all things we've been taught.

596
00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:45.480
The paradigm was changing, we just
didn't see it happening in this case,

597
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:51.880
Matt. The paradigm changed and everybody
kind of went. And the reason I'm

598
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:54.920
saying that is we all know it's
a brave new world. And in what

599
00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:58.559
world do any of us sit there
and say, Okay, I get this

600
00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:00.159
offer from this school, this off
in this school, this off from this

601
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:02.239
school. Oh, I got a
chance to play at that school and the

602
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:06.159
rules are relaxed, and I can
go are we not going to do it

603
00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:12.320
ourselves? And I just think that
the opting out helped ease us to this

604
00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:15.039
one, to where it's not a
big deal. The only time we're gonna

605
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:17.440
get any questions, Matt, is
if kids are changing schools because they got

606
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:22.920
kicked out of the school, Okay, like if they're changing on their own.

607
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:25.760
I don't hear anyone spending any time
on it. It is a total

608
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:30.480
shrug and that, of course,
but wouldn't you, I mean, get

609
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:36.519
out as opposed to now we do
have this, I'm not the kid's gonna

610
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:38.079
go nameless. There's one kid in
the draft us on his fourths school,

611
00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:43.519
but he got kicked out of the
previous three now might say kicked out or

612
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:47.039
asked to leave. I'd say there'd
be a flag on him in just about

613
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:52.519
every draft board. But it is
not unusual now to look up and go,

614
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:54.280
oh, yeah, he's been in
three different schools. Like we got

615
00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:59.880
a running back Ray Davis from from
Kentucky. This is a kid who came

616
00:43:59.880 --> 00:44:05.639
out of incredible background circumstances, group
home, loss of family, the whole

617
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:09.000
deal. Kind of raised himself in
a sense. He's a thousand yard career

618
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:16.679
rusher at three different schools. Yes, think about that, Temple two years

619
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:22.039
to get a thousand yards, thousand
yard season at Vanderbilt, thousand yard season

620
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:27.440
at Kentucky. He's coming into the
draft. Tremendous kid by all accounts,

621
00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:30.960
three different schools. In the old
days, Matt, we would have been

622
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:35.000
like, okay, there's a story
here, three different schools. Oh yeah.

623
00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:37.239
The story now is where can I
go play? Where can I better

624
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:40.880
myself? Does this work for me? And by the way, if you're

625
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:45.920
getting into Temple Vanderbilt in Kentucky,
you're not too bad in the classroom either.

626
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:50.559
Yeah. No, good point,
good point. Absolutely. As we

627
00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:52.440
wrap it up with Charles Davis and
Charles, Thank you so much for taking

628
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:55.360
time out with us. It's great
to visit with you. Beat to begin

629
00:44:55.440 --> 00:45:00.440
with, regardless of whether this is
a podcast or not, but just give

630
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:05.760
me a what do you see the
Packers doing in this draft? From where

631
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:07.679
you sit? Because I think that's
what people want to know that's listening to

632
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:10.559
this podcast. What do you see? Where do you see them going?

633
00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:16.079
Especially early on? We know their
needs are safety offensive tackle. You know,

634
00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:20.760
you may get into a cornerback situation. Certainly they could use a running

635
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:22.480
back and that kind of thing.
But where do you see them going at

636
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:25.840
least early on in the draft.
Well, as you guys have both suggested,

637
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:30.760
with the number of picks that Brian
Goodikins has, he could very well

638
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:32.880
do some manipulation. Let's just kind
of stand pad a little bit, just

639
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:38.800
because it's easier, right, If
any of those tackles leaked their way down

640
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:45.280
that they have conviction about, wouldn't
surprise me see him hop on that right

641
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:49.079
there, It just wouldn't. David
Botier has given everything he has, as

642
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:52.320
any guys, I mean, he's
tried, tried and tried. We're going

643
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:55.039
to adapt to congratulate him. I
think on just a phenomenal career. But

644
00:45:55.159 --> 00:45:59.079
that's despy. Zach Thom's a little
fought on the other side. Now you

645
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.000
get to keep Elton Jake is where
he should be at guard. You know,

646
00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:05.000
you got Myers there. You had
to make it a really good offensive

647
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:07.800
line. If that tackle isn't there, you have conviction. But I think

648
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:13.400
there will be more opportunities to look
at the cornerback crop and say, do

649
00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:15.599
I like this guy? This guy? Remember you guys mentioned I had Nate

650
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:21.440
Wiggins from Clemson there, Well,
back crop is all again. Who likes

651
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:27.199
whom? In what spot? Could
cool Aid McKinstry get down there because he

652
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:30.079
had the foot issue blah blah blah, came back look good at his pro

653
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:32.519
day. Could he be a guy
that could be considered there? You know,

654
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:38.199
could a Kamari Lasster be considered from
Georgia? Okay, everyone knows about

655
00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:43.480
that program. Green Bay included that
sorts of kicks in, sort of kicks

656
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:46.320
in. I don't see a runner
going there in the first round because everyone

657
00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:52.679
can get the value later. A
safety would be the major surprise, but

658
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:57.000
green Bay's done that before. Kind
of surprised people taking a guy like that

659
00:46:57.199 --> 00:47:00.079
higher? How much has worked out. You have to determine that, and

660
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:04.519
you guys would have to tell me
because I keep thinking about who's the kid

661
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:09.280
at NC State Jones? Remember him? Yeah, big strong, physical guy,

662
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:13.000
actually thought he was gonna be a
hell of a player and just never

663
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:16.199
found his niche did. He Darnelle
Savage was a little bit of surprise to

664
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:20.559
people when he was drafted. So
now you have to decide what kind of

665
00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:24.320
safety you want though, because what
if Cooper de Gene is somehow available.

666
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:30.079
People evaluate him as a corner and
nickel safety is safety to me if you

667
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:32.679
draft him and playing in safety is
the best safety in the draft. If

668
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:36.159
you evaluate him as a corner,
He's want the top corners in the draft,

669
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:38.800
right when nickl Safety's want top nickel
safety's in the draft. So I'm

670
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:42.360
not sure he's going to get down
there to that number, especially after his

671
00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:45.920
pro day was so sensational and recovering. But boy, if he's sitting there,

672
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:50.760
I would be sprinting to get that
call in. I'd be calling it

673
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:52.719
and tell the people with the car
run it up. I'd be doing all

674
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:57.280
those things. He's a phenomenal football
player and he can return to punts for

675
00:47:57.400 --> 00:48:00.320
you as well. So that's where
I think. But but I just don't

676
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:05.480
know. And last, but not
least, the kid in Minnesota, Tyler

677
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:07.360
Nuben, I don't know what'll tell
me about water. I don't know what

678
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:10.119
they're put in the water in the
tries, in the in the in the

679
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:15.239
Twin Cities. But when they when
they develop defensive backs, they develop instincts.

680
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:22.400
It's on Winfield Saint just this kid. Wow. They do a great

681
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:24.480
job up there doing that. And
I love Tyler Nuben, I really do.

682
00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:28.719
I think he's a heck of a
centerfield safety and come down and tackle

683
00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:32.480
Ballhawk's big time he's up there.
And Cole Bishop I'm in love with from

684
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:37.599
Utah, who's made most of his
plays down in the box. Yeah,

685
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:39.360
but I think he can play high
safety. He ran four four or five

686
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:44.280
at the combine. I think if
you pulled Packers fans, Dejene would be

687
00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:47.400
the guy that comes to mind right
away. And the thing about him,

688
00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:53.519
Matt and Charles that he can do
and Jeff Hatefully's new defense is he can

689
00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:59.480
play safety. He can play in
the court at the slot position where Detroit

690
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:02.320
has shown you now that you can
take a safety corner slash guy. Put

691
00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:07.119
him in the slot and really impact
the game from there. And this kid

692
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:09.559
can do that. Branch, Yes, Ryan Branch, Yeah, I mean

693
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:13.800
he was. He was life changing
in Detroit last year. And then you

694
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:15.519
take a look at what the Jeans
can do if you wanted them on the

695
00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:19.320
outside, Yeah, you could put
him there. He could hold up there

696
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:22.119
pretty well. So I think they
would have to move up to get him.

697
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:25.199
I think the kids from Minnesota you're
talking about, they might be able

698
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:29.480
to sit there at twenty five and
wait on him. If you like him,

699
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:31.320
Yeah, I'd be shocked that they
weren't able to sit there and get

700
00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:35.760
Tyler Nuban right there at twenty five. You have to make any move to

701
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:37.559
go get him. In fact,
he would be Darnell Savage this year where

702
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:42.719
people go, what, Yeah,
they think he could go in the second

703
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:45.599
round. But I think he's a
heck of a football player, really interesting.

704
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:47.920
And the one thing you can say
about the gene whoever drafts him,

705
00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:52.639
I hope they have a plan because
the kid who came out of Clemson,

706
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:58.400
Isaiah Simmons, Remember he was mister
versatility, right, he was you swim

707
00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:01.000
and do that? Women can do
that. He has never found his niche

708
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:05.480
right. So for me, if
I'm drafting the gene, I have a

709
00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:08.719
plan that I get him comfortable in
one spot before I start doing all the

710
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:13.119
chess matching. I don't want him
jack of all trades, master of none.

711
00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:16.760
I think he will master everything if
given to him in the right right

712
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:22.000
dosages. Okay, that's just where
I am on it. Because Isaiah Simmons

713
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:27.320
was everything coming out of Clemson,
right. His best year was his last

714
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:30.480
half year with the Giants under Wing
Martindale, where they put him and said

715
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:31.960
do you do one thing, Go
get the guy and that was it.

716
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:36.039
But the rest of the we were
saying, he can play corner, he

717
00:50:36.039 --> 00:50:37.840
can buy say eighteen, he can
play linemak, but he couldn't play any

718
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:42.079
of it because he was just one
confused kid. Yeah, Charles, he

719
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:45.039
was such an electrifying return man at
college, a punt return man. Can

720
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:49.639
talk about Cooper Jr. Can that
translate? It seems like he checks the

721
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:54.599
boxes and has the instincts, But
does that translate? Can he be a

722
00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:59.719
difference maker as a punt return guy
in the NFL? Yeah? How about

723
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:02.280
we'll just compare it to Keishawn Nixon
and what he's done for Green Band the

724
00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:05.719
kick return game, even though the
kick return game, but you know,

725
00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:09.719
kickoff return is under siege, right, But think about what he's provided a

726
00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:14.719
Green Band his time there and how
good that's been. Pum Return isn't under

727
00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:17.760
siege yet. That's probably the next
thing people are gonna eye. But you

728
00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:22.920
know, the Gene beat Michigan State
and that's a very questionable call that they

729
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:25.400
dropped on that one in the biggest
moment of the game. So I think

730
00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:29.920
he's that type of a kid.
Ye, all the best, Charls.

731
00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:31.840
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guys so much. I appreciate you.

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You are listening to the Lera Villa

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Pay Podcast and Matt a couple of
quick items I wanted to hit on before

737
00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:15.440
we head out for the week.
Kaitlin Clark moves to the WNBA was drafted

738
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:20.159
number one by Indiana and she will
be. Her impact on will be on

739
00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:22.599
that game. Now, And you
know the thing I wonder, and I

740
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:30.119
don't know because I don't see enough
WNBA game action, but I wonder how

741
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:34.159
her impact will be on that game
on the floor. Will she get lost

742
00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:37.599
in the game on the floor.
Obviously not Initially. The build up will

743
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:40.119
be great for the league and everything
else. There's been a huge light cast

744
00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:45.159
on women's college basketball and now I'm
sure that'll translate in some form or another

745
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:50.599
to the WNBA. But Caitlin Clark's
game, I don't know enough about the

746
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:54.079
WNBA to know how her game will
translate to the pro level, And so

747
00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:58.960
that's what I'm anxious to see.
Will her impact be as great on that

748
00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:01.679
level as it was on the college
level. Well, I know the television

749
00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:07.239
partners are banking on it because all
the just a handful of Indiana Fever games

750
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:10.519
will be nationally televised. So really
the focus is on her. I think

751
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:16.679
when Diana Tarassi and one of the
alternative broadcasts of the women's NCAA tournament,

752
00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:23.400
she probably spoke the way the NBA
guys talk about college stars in the men's

753
00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:25.599
game is that she's going to be
a target. She's going to get a

754
00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:30.519
little dose of reality against. As
Diana Tarassi says, you're up against grown

755
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:37.480
women. I still think her game
because of her court vision being so good.

756
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:40.639
We know she can hit the logo
threes and she's probably going to make

757
00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:45.519
her share even as a WNBA rookie, but her ability to distribute the ball,

758
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:50.880
I mean that to me is going
to be a separator for her.

759
00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:53.000
I mean she is not just staged. She's not a one trick ponent.

760
00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:58.199
She can do multiple things out on
the floor. So I've got to think

761
00:53:58.239 --> 00:54:00.079
that she's going to be really good. But she's also going to wear a

762
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:04.480
bulls eye, which she did in
college. But now you're just going to

763
00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:07.159
be up against better players night in
and night out. So is she going

764
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:10.840
to light it up and be a
triple double threat every game? Probably not,

765
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:15.880
But I still think she's going to
be very highlight worthy in somebody who

766
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:20.599
is going to be worth watching as
she brings in the casual fan to the

767
00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:24.639
WNBA. Maybe not quite to the
ratings numbers as the college game, but

768
00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:29.199
I've got to think it's going to
be better than what we've seen in the

769
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:30.760
past. Yeah, I don't think
there's any doubt about it. I agree

770
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:36.079
with you. The athletic level that
she's going up against every night will be

771
00:54:36.159 --> 00:54:39.079
much different. In other words,
the way Connecticut defended her, Caitlyn Clark,

772
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:44.039
and she really had to work for
it in the national semifinal game against

773
00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:46.639
Connecticut, they defended her as well
as she can be defended. But you've

774
00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:52.960
got better athletic ability and more experienced
players will be defending Caitlyn Clark, denying

775
00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:55.920
her the basketball on the WNBA level. And I will go back to something

776
00:54:57.039 --> 00:55:01.320
you and I talked about a few
podcasts ago. Marriviach back in nineteen seventy

777
00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:07.199
had this impact on the college game
of college basketball on television, and he

778
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:09.320
went to the NBA and he was
still a great player in the NBA,

779
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:15.639
good player in the NBA, but
he wasn't a game changing player on that

780
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:19.000
level. I just wonder if Caitlin's
going to be. I wonder if,

781
00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:22.719
when it's all said and done,
if her greatness will be the college game

782
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:25.760
rather than her performance on the pro
level. As it was for Pistol.

783
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:30.840
He was better in college. He
was transcendent in college. He was a

784
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:35.400
good player on the NBA level,
that's will be interesting to watch because Wayne,

785
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:37.079
like you, you know, true
professions. I don't watch a ton

786
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:44.199
of women's professional basketball. But we
have seen the increase in depth of talent

787
00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:47.719
at the college level in the women's
game. It'll be interesting to see are

788
00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:53.159
we seeing that increase depth of talent
in the WNBA as well? Where you

789
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:59.440
have you definitely have the stars,
but are the you know, the players

790
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:02.920
who are now All Stars but have
been around the league for a few years.

791
00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:08.480
Has that talent? Is that level
of talent increased? My assumption is

792
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:14.800
yes, but we'll find out.
And the bar for her is so hot,

793
00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:19.119
you know, and the anticipation of
her playing in the WNBA is so

794
00:56:19.360 --> 00:56:25.280
high it could be nearly impossible to
hit the expectations that many will have because

795
00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:30.440
they're unrealistic. But I still think
with her overall level of talent, particularly

796
00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:38.079
offensively not just shooting, that she
can have a significant on the floor impact

797
00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:43.119
for this team. Well, what
I don't know really is what's the talent

798
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:45.480
around her on and how does that
match up. I mean, they're number

799
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:49.760
one pick, so it probably means
they need some more talent over there.

800
00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:52.320
So let's see how that translates as
well, because a lot is going to

801
00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:55.599
be put on her play even as
we work, no doubt about it.

802
00:56:55.719 --> 00:57:00.000
Hey, college basketball, you and
I both love that game. On the

803
00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:05.079
men's side, transfer portal, I
think there are like fourteen hundred kids in

804
00:57:05.159 --> 00:57:08.719
the transfer portal. Now, aj
Store, most prominent from Wisconsin, is

805
00:57:08.719 --> 00:57:14.000
in the transfer portal. Not only
that, he's also in the NBA draft

806
00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:21.119
situation to be evaluated there turned down
reportedly eight hundred k at Kansas. I

807
00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:27.320
mean, wow, where is Wisconsin
with the comings and goings of players?

808
00:57:27.320 --> 00:57:30.239
From what you can tell, well, they're going through the process of you

809
00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:35.400
know, meeting with guys who,
in some cases they recruited the first time

810
00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:38.360
around. You know, names that
have been out there publicly, a guy

811
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:44.360
like Frankie Fiddler, an old buddy
of Chuckie. Hepburn's down in Toma Hall,

812
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:49.440
Brandon Angel of Stanford. Those are
a couple of names that have been

813
00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:52.239
public and you know, who knows
who else they're talking to here, But

814
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:57.559
yeah, they definitely have openings you
mentioned aj Store. Connor Siegion has had

815
00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:01.119
a couple of visits, including one
of the Marilyn He's you know, looking

816
00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:06.599
around at power programs, A couple
of other guys have transferred. Isaac Lindsay

817
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:10.000
is committed to South Dakota State.
A couple of guys who were not Isaac,

818
00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:13.519
but a couple of other guys who
were walk Ons are just looking for

819
00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:17.440
opportunities to play. And because it
was probably not going to happen in Wisconsint

820
00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:23.119
guys like Neu Curtel and Ross Candelino
specifically, they got until you know,

821
00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:29.000
we're recording this on April sixteenth.
There's still a couple of weeks left in

822
00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:31.840
this portal window, but it is. It's a fascinating time, Wayne,

823
00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:35.639
I mean, you know, Purdue, the national runner up, just had

824
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:38.480
the sixth man of the year ago
in the portal. Mason gillis another player

825
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:44.559
who became more of a defensive specialist. Ethan Morton, his minutes were down

826
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:47.719
this past season. He's in the
portal. So there's not a program out

827
00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:54.840
there that is going to probably be
Scott free of players leaving for better opportunities,

828
00:58:54.880 --> 00:58:59.320
be it playing time, be it
more money through nil or all of

829
00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:02.920
the above. But yeah, Cisco
and they've got two freshmen coming in Dangle

830
00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:07.719
Free Tag and Jack Robinson out of
Minnesota. But there are there are holes

831
00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:12.519
to be filled, and they'll they'll
do it. I think it's just,

832
00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:15.039
you know, fans want it right
away, and sometimes it doesn't happen that

833
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:20.920
way. You know, Matt.
I had back surgery a week ago yesterday,

834
00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:25.360
and I must admit I'm more foggier
mentally than usual because they told me

835
00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:29.960
when you're under anesthesia for like five
and a half hours, it lasts for

836
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:32.679
two weeks somehow. But so you
know, it's just kind of a weird

837
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:37.239
thing like that. And I'm in
a position now I'm trying to write notes

838
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:38.679
on the draft and that type of
thing, and I'm finding my shorthand has

839
00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:44.320
gotten even shorter, so I can't
read bin and typing is just you know,

840
00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:46.840
if I don't do it with the
chicken fingers, you know, I'm

841
00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:52.320
bad. I'm just wait anyway.
But the fact is what I had to

842
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:55.199
do is sit down all week,
and all I could do is watch The

843
00:59:55.239 --> 00:59:59.480
Masters, basically. So I'm sitting
there, you know, not working out,

844
00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:01.599
and I'm not doing anything, going
places, nothing, and I'm watching

845
01:00:01.599 --> 01:00:05.599
the Masters. And I watched all
week, and I watched Tiger Woods and

846
01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:08.679
he made the cut walking all seventy
two holes, which is an accomplishment for

847
01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:13.639
him based on all the things he's
been through. He finished sixteen oh or

848
01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:15.679
par three h four, the highest
score he's ever shot in a tournament in

849
01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:20.719
his life, one over par seventy
three to open. He made the cut

850
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:23.320
and heavy wins with a seventy two
on the second day. Now that's seventy

851
01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:28.559
two, harken back to some of
his greatness. It was just amazing to

852
01:00:28.599 --> 01:00:31.960
watch. So he makes the cut
but had nothing left after that seventy eight

853
01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:37.639
seventy eight, And so the question
becomes, will we ever see this guy,

854
01:00:38.039 --> 01:00:42.159
I don't want to say, complete
four rounds in a tournament, but

855
01:00:42.199 --> 01:00:45.360
will he ever be competitive again?
Can he do it for four rounds against

856
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:49.679
this kind of competition? He could
certainly do it for two rounds to make

857
01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:54.119
the cut and be in the hunt. But you know, there are guys

858
01:00:54.159 --> 01:00:59.079
at every country club in America that
can done one day on the tour,

859
01:00:59.199 --> 01:01:02.320
go out and maybe beat almost every
pro on the tour that day, But

860
01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:07.639
what do they have for day two
and day three and day four? And

861
01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:10.360
that's why they're the best player at
your club and not on the tour.

862
01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:16.039
So I wonder if Tiger in his
physical situation. He can still tee it

863
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:19.960
up and he can still hit at
three hundred plus. He could still do

864
01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:23.400
those things, but in a tournament, and he hasn't played much tournament golf,

865
01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:28.079
which made his just making the cut
was astounding when you look at it.

866
01:01:28.119 --> 01:01:30.719
He had like one, two or
three rounds of tournament golf under his

867
01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:35.639
belt this entire year coming into this
tournament, and yet there he is,

868
01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:38.840
so a testament to his greatness.
But I wonder if he'll ever be able

869
01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:45.679
to play four rounds walking EGA Tour
event. And I understand Augusta's the hillius

870
01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:49.880
course in the world. These pros
will everybody asked to walk, But nonetheless,

871
01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:53.519
you just wonder if we've seen the
last of Tiger Woods as we knew

872
01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:59.519
him. Yeah, the bar is
lower, at least for when I watch

873
01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:02.280
him, and thing most people who
are even casual fans. It has to

874
01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:08.760
be. You mentioned the track itself
at Augusta that made it an unfair fight

875
01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:14.119
for him after two rounds. But
there was the glimpse of greatness, as

876
01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:19.679
you mentioned, So we're gonna keep
watching when he's playing, but the expectation

877
01:02:19.880 --> 01:02:25.639
of him raising another trophy is probably
very milk right now. You want to

878
01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:31.000
enjoy watching him while we can for
maybe that one round of excellence, but

879
01:02:31.079 --> 01:02:37.440
man, four days to sustain it
over four days, I think, given

880
01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:45.119
what the physical toll that he's gone
through, I just don't think it's realistic.

881
01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:46.679
But he's still going to move the
needle, isn't he? I mean

882
01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:50.719
this way in a tournament. I
mean Scotty Scheffler, are these other guys

883
01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:55.559
that's great? Rising to Shamba.
You love watching him obviously bombs but no

884
01:02:55.599 --> 01:02:59.960
matter what tour we're talking about,
but if Tiger Woods is in a turn

885
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:02.559
of it, we're going to watch
just in hope that he could give us

886
01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:07.920
that one round again like he did
at Augusta and like he's done so many

887
01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:12.760
times in his career. Yeah,
Matt, and you come from a little

888
01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:17.440
more casual approach to golf than I
do. Obviously, I'm fine with the

889
01:03:17.719 --> 01:03:22.760
rooting for Scottie Scheffler and Rory McElroy
and the occasional guy I have never heard

890
01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:27.559
of that comes in and wins a
tournament. But you know, there,

891
01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:30.119
where's the star power here on this
tour. If I'm the Golf Tour,

892
01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:34.159
if I'm the PGA Tour, I
gotta be wondering. Okay, first off,

893
01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:37.920
we got X number of really big
names over on the other side playing

894
01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:39.960
in the live Tour whatever that is, and nobody watches it. By the

895
01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:44.679
way, it's on the CW network
if you're interested, but nobody is.

896
01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:50.159
And then you've got the PGA Tour
and it's hurting because you don't have anyone

897
01:03:50.599 --> 01:03:53.880
like a Phil Mickelson or a Tiger
Woods that the casual fan like Matt Lape

898
01:03:53.960 --> 01:03:57.880
will say, Holy Cole, Tiger's
in contention here, I'm gonna stit and

899
01:03:57.880 --> 01:04:00.519
watch this, you know what I
mean? There is no one I'm moving

900
01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:02.719
the needle. Okay, Scheffler can
win one hundred tournaments in a row.

901
01:04:02.920 --> 01:04:06.039
Wonderful story, good guy. Okay, fine, his wife's going to have

902
01:04:06.039 --> 01:04:11.159
their first child. Worth happy for
him. But are we going to stop

903
01:04:11.199 --> 01:04:15.519
and watch if Scottie Scheffler is in
contention at the Masters? Not really unless

904
01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:18.280
it's the Master, you know,
But if it's like I don't know,

905
01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:24.320
the PG eight, the Inverness tournaments
somewhere in Florida or whatever the heck it

906
01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:27.760
is, you know, whatever,
it might be Bayhill or something. You

907
01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:30.599
know. No, I'm not going
to stop what I'm doing. I'll get

908
01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:33.760
the highlight. I'll see Scotty Scheffler
take the trophy and his wife jump into

909
01:04:33.760 --> 01:04:38.280
his arms in the whole of that
would be fine. There's not a needle

910
01:04:38.320 --> 01:04:41.079
move there. Tiger Woods tease it
up. Well, I kind of want

911
01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:45.360
to be there from start to finish, I really do. Yeah, he'll

912
01:04:45.639 --> 01:04:48.880
continue to carry the tour as long
as he is in, as long as

913
01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:53.639
he is played. But you're right, and I think that that's the difference

914
01:04:53.679 --> 01:04:57.719
maker of any school. You know, we've talked about Caitlin Clark being that

915
01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:00.960
star power of the wins game?
Was that? Who was the men's player?

916
01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:03.519
Who? I mean, Zachi E
a great player? Is he must

917
01:05:03.559 --> 01:05:09.360
watch? I think a lot of
casual fans say not necessarily. Yukon just

918
01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:15.239
wanted six national title in twenty five
years. Can people name the starting five?

919
01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:17.760
Can people name more than one start? Probably? Not? So the

920
01:05:17.880 --> 01:05:23.960
ratings start to reflect that at times. And yeah, with you think about

921
01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:27.079
tennis, I mean, you and
I are of an age we remember McEnroe

922
01:05:27.159 --> 01:05:32.440
and Cotter's and Bored and Hilly Nestas
you know that's changed. And yeah,

923
01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:36.400
I think if you're you're the PGA
tour. It isn't concern. You've got

924
01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:39.800
to try to find a way to
you know, with the live tour.

925
01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:44.480
I mean a guy like the Shambo. There could be some good villains,

926
01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:46.960
you could have good guy, bad
guy, but right now, with what's

927
01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:50.119
going on in the sport, that
becomes a little tougher to come by.

928
01:05:50.239 --> 01:05:58.159
So, yeah, the games fill
needs Tiger, even if it's seventy percent

929
01:05:58.639 --> 01:06:03.039
if that right rewards because he draws
eyeballs and yeah, I'm in that casual

930
01:06:03.559 --> 01:06:09.039
fan category he's playing, I'm watching
if he's not in the tournament, like

931
01:06:09.280 --> 01:06:12.400
eh, yeah, maybe for a
I'll tune in a little bit, but

932
01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:15.679
not nearly for as long as someone
like you or you know, the diehard

933
01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:19.400
golf theme. Yeah, absolutely,
well, Matt, that'll do it for

934
01:06:19.519 --> 01:06:23.880
us. I've got the NFL Draft
coming up. I see you're up north

935
01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:27.559
at the cabin. Is it still
winter up there? No, the ice

936
01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:30.679
has melted a little little breezy up
here today, but they had no winter

937
01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:33.719
game, which was a little tough. Yeah, tough with the locals,

938
01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:38.639
but it's uh yeah, the piers
are starting to go in. It's I'll

939
01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:41.960
play some really bad golf up here. Wait, I don't know when your

940
01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:44.880
back will allow you. I don't
know how long this process is going to

941
01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:47.679
be for you. But there's some
beautiful golf courses up here. People like

942
01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:51.280
to go hunt and fish. I'll
go play golf and go take my ninety

943
01:06:51.320 --> 01:06:56.280
five, but whatever, whatever public
courses and then move on. So one

944
01:06:56.320 --> 01:06:58.960
day we'll do that up here.
Yeah, that'd be great. No,

945
01:06:59.119 --> 01:07:02.320
absolutely when that'd be awesome to do. And you're right. I was up

946
01:07:02.360 --> 01:07:05.960
there earlier in the winter to ski, and the locals are really hurting up

947
01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:12.119
north upper Peninsula Michigan or even northern
Wisconsin. They just didn't have the kind

948
01:07:12.119 --> 01:07:15.159
of winter they rely on the winter
folks, for those of you who don't

949
01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:17.920
know, for snowmobiling, that's a
big sport up there, cross country skiing,

950
01:07:18.199 --> 01:07:21.760
ice fishing, the whole bit.
There's a whole outdoor type thing going

951
01:07:21.800 --> 01:07:26.199
and they didn't have it this winter. And hopefully this summer Matt will be

952
01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:31.880
unloading some of his some of his
largesse on the restaurants and bars of the

953
01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:35.199
north Woods. And Matt, you
know, thank you for doing that.

954
01:07:35.199 --> 01:07:39.960
That's a public think of it.
It's a public service anything for the ball

955
01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:43.480
club. Yeah, my wife is
She's really helping me spend a lot of

956
01:07:43.480 --> 01:07:47.079
that money too. So that's how
it works. Listen. If there are

957
01:07:47.079 --> 01:07:51.079
things to do around there, remember, hire a professional. I don't care.

958
01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:55.239
If it's to take a turn the
light bulb on and off, oh,

959
01:07:55.480 --> 01:07:59.079
hire a professional to do it,
no question. I know very few

960
01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:02.599
people in our linework. Wayne.
If it's something that involves anything more than

961
01:08:02.719 --> 01:08:08.880
duct tape, we're in trouble and
I'm in that category. Oh yeah,

962
01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:13.400
anyway, special thanks to our guest
Charles Davis of CBS Sports at NFL Network

963
01:08:13.400 --> 01:08:16.960
are producer engineers Dave McCann our executive
producer Jeff Tyler for Matt. This is

964
01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:20.479
Wayne. Thank you very much for
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965
01:08:20.560 --> 01:08:26.800
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966
01:08:26.840 --> 01:08:30.520
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967
01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:36.079
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968
01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:41.199
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