WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:14.759 It's done. Hello everyone, welcome back to another edition of the Poker Go 2 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:18.600 Podcast. I have exactly no idea what the heck this podcast is going to 3 00:00:18.600 --> 00:00:22.359 be about. This is Tim's idea. He's laughing over there. I come 4 00:00:22.440 --> 00:00:26.039 in today. He starts telling me about this idea. It's Father's Day. 5 00:00:26.120 --> 00:00:29.600 He's interviewing all these people who are dad's. He didn't interview with me because 6 00:00:29.600 --> 00:00:33.439 he's a real ass hat. And yeah, I don't know, so please 7 00:00:33.479 --> 00:00:38.320 explain to the people exactly what we're doing here. I want to preface this 8 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:40.960 by saying, I didn't think you were coming in today. You had a 9 00:00:41.039 --> 00:00:44.240 light stream lost I did. We didn't get done until three a m. 10 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:47.159 Or something like that. It was Father's Day. I thought you were going 11 00:00:47.240 --> 00:00:52.280 to spend time at harm with the missus, the little baby, and then 12 00:00:52.280 --> 00:00:54.320 he said, no, I'm on my way in about five o'clock. So 13 00:00:54.359 --> 00:00:57.119 I was gonna do this solo. I was going to freak out. But 14 00:00:57.479 --> 00:01:00.880 my plan was it's Father's Day. There's a lot of dad's here at the 15 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:03.840 World Series of Poker, and I thought, let's just talk to the dads. 16 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:07.519 I'm not going to ask him about you know, how to play aces? 17 00:01:07.560 --> 00:01:10.560 And all that kind of rubbish. We're gonna talk to him about family, 18 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:14.200 you know, being a dad, being a husband, all that kind 19 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:17.079 of stuff. So I just went round the room. I went to the 20 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:19.599 PPC, I went to through the monster stack, I went through some of 21 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:23.200 our staff members even and just you know, asked him a few different questions 22 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:30.159 about being a father, fatherhood, how they're live lives when they're playing poker 23 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:34.159 and and trying to be a father. You know, mingle, who did 24 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:38.040 you talk to? Who talked to? You know, our Lord and Savior 25 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:41.640 carry cats, our Lord and Savior. I'm gonna make this stick. I'm 26 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:44.120 really going to try, really have to make this stick. Not the Lord 27 00:01:44.159 --> 00:01:47.159 and say I like the Lord and Savior. I'm not religious, so no 28 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:51.280 like doing Lord and Savior. Popular President Marius Condani. You know he's also 29 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:56.319 well actually both him and carry have grandchildren. Um, some of you might 30 00:01:56.319 --> 00:02:00.319 not know that about Kerry. Actually he has five grandchildren. Would you guess 31 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:04.879 that it's a lot? Um? No, I mean it's a lot. 32 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:08.680 I knew he had some grandchildren. I didn't think it was five. Yeah. 33 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:13.080 Talk to Brent Hanks, he has three kids of his own. I 34 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:15.599 mean, Brent could be a grandpa. Yeah, I'm concerned. I talked 35 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:21.039 to Tony Burns, Okay has two daughters being in the industry, So that's 36 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:23.960 basically, you know three people that were industry obviously carries a bit of a 37 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:29.599 businessman slash poker player. Uh. I talked to Jack Appel from WSP. 38 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:35.439 He's actually the first interview I did today. Um, and then a plethora. 39 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:38.479 I know you love that word of bracelet witness Sean Deep, Josh, 40 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:44.599 you said preface earlier, then you said plethora. I'm the earlier. You're 41 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:49.800 sending to me quotes from people that have the word ton spelled t o nny. 42 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:53.439 You've been in America more than a lot of America. I guess still 43 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:55.759 some Australian words anyway, Sean Deep, Josh r A John Manette, Nick 44 00:02:55.840 --> 00:03:01.240 Schulman, Jeremy Osmus, and I talked to Brian the Icon Macon A little 45 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:07.520 twist to that interview. You'll hear that, and yeah, that's how I 46 00:03:07.639 --> 00:03:09.759 kind of spoke to. So are we just like throwing into these interviews. 47 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:13.520 Let's introduce it. We're gonna say, say I want to say something about 48 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:16.439 some people, and we'll throw the interview be a quick episode because we're gonna 49 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:20.319 do a double We're gonna come back a little later and bang another one out. 50 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:24.080 I just want just quickly to let people know what's happening this summer is 51 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:30.840 that we brought our good friend podcast producer Rich Ryan aboard so that we can 52 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:34.719 record here in Vegas. We figure it's going to be late at night because 53 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:38.159 that's what we've been doing in past years. And then normally it would be 54 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:40.960 me, you know, editing them, putting them up on the feed. 55 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:45.080 I kind of know, like the absolute bare bones editing. You know. 56 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:46.719 I can put the introm music in, I can put the outrem music in. 57 00:03:47.039 --> 00:03:50.520 I can do some cuts here and there, you know whatever, nothing 58 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:53.120 too snazzy. Rich is much better. He makes us sound much better. 59 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:58.879 He can do some magic, all that sort of stuff. It's just past 60 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:01.159 midnight here in Vegas. He's asleep. We just dumped the files in a 61 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:03.840 drive. He gets up in the morning, he puts them up on the 62 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:09.520 website while her in the feed while we're sleeping. Okay, I can't wait 63 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:13.879 till he wakes up and see the nonsense that you have when the heat transitions 64 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:18.480 between each interview. I want the best wsp slash poker goo related sound effects 65 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:21.360 that he can come up with. I mean it has to be like the 66 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:26.199 twang twang. I want the twang and he can use multiple versions of the 67 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:30.319 twang or the chip shuffles whatever. But and then we're gonna finish with a 68 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:32.720 little family part, you and me. I hope you have something I don't. 69 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:35.000 It's been Father's that you gotta have something. I don't have anything. 70 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:40.800 I don't know anything. Man. First up, her president Maries Candani. 71 00:04:40.839 --> 00:04:44.920 I talked to him about, you know, being a parent and a grandfather, 72 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:48.199 both as a professional poker player and you know in the industry working with 73 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:51.560 us and behind the scenes, you know, production and you know. I 74 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:55.920 him. I also asked him give give us a piece of advice. I'm 75 00:04:55.959 --> 00:04:59.839 being a being a parent. First of all, Happy Father's Day to you, 76 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:02.360 Honda. With you two, as someone that's been in this industry for 77 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:05.439 a long time, where the busiest time of the year is the summer when 78 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:10.240 your kids and grandkids are off, how do you balance being a father a 79 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:13.319 grandfather with you know, your kids and grandkids. I send them away, 80 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:17.040 I sent them know I it's you know, I try to spend time with 81 00:05:17.079 --> 00:05:19.759 them in the mornings. I mean, this is usually like more of an 82 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:25.959 afternoon thing. So it makes some days be really long. You know, 83 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:29.439 you're here until one or two am, and then kids expecting to have breakfast 84 00:05:29.480 --> 00:05:31.319 with you at eight. You know, you're just just going to do it. 85 00:05:31.519 --> 00:05:35.360 So you'll have a few really long days. But it's worth it. 86 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:39.439 It's not you know, a lot of times they also take a vacation. 87 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:43.040 They're not even here, you know, the biggest gets really hot. They 88 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:46.160 move on going, you know, to Oregon. They have a place there 89 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:49.040 they go to. But when they're here, I spend time with them. 90 00:05:49.079 --> 00:05:51.759 I see them every other day, but all in the mornings, all like 91 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:56.879 a couple of hours. Whether you're a poker player or you know, you're 92 00:05:56.920 --> 00:06:00.199 work on the production side throughout the year, do you find you know the 93 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:04.839 time to you know, to balance that work balance those kids, Like, 94 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:08.240 did I understand it? Hey, there's times where I'm kind of going to 95 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:11.120 be gone or what I'm actually not doing a very good job. I mean 96 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:15.399 when I was just playing poker, when it was just purely playing poker for 97 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:20.120 a living, it was a little bit easier because I could I could basically 98 00:06:21.480 --> 00:06:24.959 set my own time at any time. It didn't matter, you know, 99 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:28.839 it could be in the middle of the busiest time or and usually when I 100 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:31.120 picked the time, it was not weekends, so we could like go do 101 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:33.800 things, not standing lines. If you're going to Disney, Man, it 102 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:36.360 would have been like in the middle of the week and things like that because 103 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:41.920 I could do it. But now it's a little different, and I can't 104 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:44.360 say that I have a formula for it. I don't think I'm doing a 105 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:49.199 very good job with it. But I still try my hardest to spend time 106 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:54.079 with grand kids for sure, at least twice a week at least, whether 107 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:59.120 we're playing three holes of golf or going to dinner or something like that. 108 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:01.160 So you'll find fine, you're to give one piece of advice, so or 109 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:10.560 the poker playing fathers out there, what would it be, Well, your 110 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:14.360 kids most likely are never going to understand exactly what this is that you do 111 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:17.839 for a living, and very good chance they're not going to be doing what 112 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:23.879 you do for a living. So it's not you know, it's I don't 113 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:27.199 know if it is. The best advice I can give them is tell the 114 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:31.439 kids, explain to them, this is not gambling. Make sure they understand 115 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:35.959 that there's a big difference between poker and gambling, and explain to them why 116 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:41.800 there is nothing wrong with you teaching your kids how to play the game, 117 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:46.120 because the least thing that can come out of it is good for their math. 118 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:48.279 They will understand the mathematic part of it, the probability part of it, 119 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:51.160 and all that, even if they don't understand the psychological part of it, 120 00:07:51.319 --> 00:07:55.639 which is fine. Yeah, a lot of fathers usually, you know, 121 00:07:55.800 --> 00:08:00.680 at least when I was coming along in the pro world, they weren't 122 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:05.319 really easy to let their kids see them playing, you know, shuffling money 123 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:09.759 around and all that, and they were afraid the kids will take that interpreted 124 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:13.519 as gambling and apply to places that he's not supposed to. So I've always 125 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:16.680 told my kids what I do. I always told him, you know, 126 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:18.959 how you do it. None of them had any interest to become a poker 127 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:24.360 player whatsoever. So yeah, and my advice is be proud of what you're 128 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:28.160 doing. Explain to them what you're doing, and if they don't, you 129 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:31.480 know, come along. That's fine. I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't 130 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:37.440 mind. I mean, listen, Maury Is I mean, everyone calls him 131 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:41.320 Uncle Morey. He really is Uncle Maury. You know, he just is. 132 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:43.559 You know, he's always like kind of taking care of people, looking 133 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:46.480 out for people, all that sort of stuff. So just an all around 134 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:52.919 great human being, great guy. I'm assuming great father, great grandfather as 135 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:56.000 well. I know he you know, he's invited my family over at times. 136 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:58.480 I'm sure he's invited everyone in the company over at times. I've yet 137 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:01.080 to take him up on it, but yeah, he has invited us over 138 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:03.519 at times. You know. I think it was last year, was like, 139 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:07.039 what are you doing for Thanksgiving? If you're not gonna go like back 140 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:09.519 east to visit your family, why don't you just come over at our house? 141 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:11.200 You know, like all that, all that sort of stuff. I 142 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:13.639 mean, that's just the type of guy that he is. Also his wife 143 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:16.919 Cathy, you know, she's always as cookies in the business, baking cookies. 144 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:20.399 But I think she like went away for like a week. He told 145 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:24.159 us that she's like going away somewhere for a week. Yeah, and we 146 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:26.519 were like, well, Maury, what about the cookie exactly we need this. 147 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:31.360 She's a baker at least a week's worth. Put him in the freezer 148 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:35.159 and make this happen. Because we just can't go without the cookies, the 149 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:39.200 rice, Chrissie choas and all of that sort of stuff. Um, all 150 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:43.159 right, next up, who you got? We got Carrie Katz, businessman 151 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:48.000 ka player runner Brice to a potential brace that this year. You know, 152 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:52.759 he's you know, similar to more professional life, you know, in his 153 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:56.600 industry, transitioning to poka more he's kind of the opposite away, um, 154 00:09:56.120 --> 00:10:00.600 busy, busy man. And obviously we have six kids, you know, 155 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:03.399 four or five grandchildren I think, And yeah, I just wanted to kind 156 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:09.159 of get how he approaches fatherhood as a successful businessman, and you know, 157 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:11.639 you can kind of say a professional poker play now these days, how do 158 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:16.360 you balance you know, work poker and as you said, six kids and 159 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:22.600 potentially many more grandkids. Well, fortunately, one hundred and sixty eight hours 160 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:26.360 in a week, so every every hour it is pretty much accounted for. 161 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:30.720 Whether it's spending time with a family. I'm not spending time with a family. 162 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:33.799 I'm working, or I'm training, or I'm playing poker. So it's 163 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:37.799 obviously less time with the family when I'm playing poker, especially if I'm doing 164 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:41.960 it well. When business was your focus, so you know, Hite a 165 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:45.879 while ago. How involved were you know, your children in you know, 166 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:48.200 decisions, were you cluing them into things or deals anything? It wasn't mainly 167 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:54.279 just you know, separating family and business. Um, well, when I 168 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:58.159 when I started my student loan company, I was twenty nine years old, 169 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:03.440 so and I had at that point we had our fourth kid, our fourth 170 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:07.960 child, and but you know, I'd worked every night till like seven or 171 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:11.279 eight o'clock. So my wife did all the all the heavy lifting. I 172 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:15.919 mean that was available on the weekends and stuff. But yeah, work was 173 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:18.120 work with I didn't play any pover then. It was just all work. 174 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:20.919 So nowadays, you know, probably a little bit less business, more polka. 175 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:26.000 How do you like, do you set aside time just to see the 176 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:28.080 kids, see the grand kids or do you just you know, have to 177 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:31.360 kind of squeeze in a round your schedule. It's always time. Like because 178 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:35.679 two of the two of the grands two of my grandkids live in the same 179 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:37.720 building I live in, so I see them every day. And then the 180 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:43.120 other three are in California, and Jackie and I go out there about every 181 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:46.600 two months ago so two months or so, and we take them to Disney 182 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:50.320 Lands. So there's always there's always enough time. You can always make the 183 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:52.200 time. You just gotta be efficient. As you mentioned, six kids, 184 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:56.679 what advice would you give to, you know, whether it's a fellow businessman 185 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:00.440 or a fellow poker player. Um on, you know, six kids, 186 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:07.600 multiple kids, like raising raising a family. Best advice is you got to 187 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:11.279 like make sure your financial houses in order, or it's I couldn't even imagine 188 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:13.519 the stress levels. I mean, we were very lucky that, you know, 189 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:16.679 the business was successful and I was able to make a lot of money, 190 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:20.720 and we were able to have additional support and housekeepers and things like that. 191 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:24.759 So to me, try to make sure your financial order, your financial 192 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:28.480 house is an order before you start having children. Is that something you've kind 193 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:33.519 of spent extra time, you know, educating your children about like the importents 194 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:37.399 of finances and you know, patfolios, balanced portfolios, everything like that. 195 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:45.039 All um you know, and some of my kids are financially responsible and others 196 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:48.360 aren't. But you know, I do my best to try to, you 197 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:52.159 know, guide him in that direction. You call him a businessman, I 198 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:54.240 feel like he's these days, is he's more of a poker player than a 199 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:58.039 businessman. Yeah, I mean I think He's always going to have the businessman 200 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:03.639 monica. You all my dad first poker players, second businessman. Third is 201 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:05.679 kind of how I rank him, now, okay, yeah that makes sense. 202 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:09.720 I mean that's just how I put it. Um, Brent Hanks, 203 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:13.639 Brent Hanks grabbed him while you know, break from commentary on the two. 204 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:18.080 No, he knew, he knew. I see him and he was coming. 205 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:20.039 I said, I'll get you next break. He has no problems, 206 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:22.919 you know, Brent's Brent's got three young boys at home. That just sounds 207 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:26.960 like madness being being a part of three young boys. I have two younger 208 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:31.759 brothers. I mean, it just sounds like insanity. So yeah, he's 209 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:35.200 God bless his wife clearing up with that one hundred percent. You know, 210 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:37.960 he's pretty much our age and you know, dabbled as a professional poker player. 211 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:43.240 Now he's obviously director of programming and poker go. Um. You know, 212 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:46.279 times like this it's hard to see they see your kids when you're at 213 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:48.919 the World Series every day. But you know does his best and obviously has 214 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:54.759 his fantastic wife Liz at home, you know, corraling those crazy kids. 215 00:13:56.679 --> 00:13:58.799 Firstly, Happy Father's Day, Thank you, Happy fathers, say to you 216 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:03.799 was thank you. I want to ask you, as a industry experienced, 217 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:09.279 savvy veteran, how it is you know, raising kids and working in this 218 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:15.559 industry where your hours are just sometimes it's completely crazy, really hard. And 219 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:20.159 it's not hard on me. It's harder on it's very hard on my wife, 220 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:24.960 and she's the one that endures it all, goes through the crazy hours 221 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:28.960 and swings, especially at the World Series of Poker. So anyone wives out 222 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:33.799 there, moms that are married into this industry, they know exactly what I'm 223 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:39.639 talking about, and it's yeah, it's very difficult. Your kids are a 224 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:43.440 little on the younger side, But what do they know understand about kind of 225 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:46.559 what you do for living both you know, working for Pago, but also 226 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:50.720 when you're actually playing poke atonomous. Well, my oldest is kind of he's 227 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:54.360 starting to understand poker a little bit, what hands are, what everything means 228 00:14:54.399 --> 00:15:01.120 on the screen. My five and two year old really just think I'm like 229 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:05.120 a YouTube star. They don't. They don't really get that we're just you 230 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:07.679 know, we're streaming there from time to time. They hear my voice, 231 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:11.320 they see me, you know, from time to time, and that's kind 232 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:15.759 of where they think I am. They just think I'm a TV YouTube guy. 233 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:22.519 What advice do you have, you know, maybe an aspiring poker player 234 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:24.679 that wants to have a family, What advice can you give them? You 235 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:28.200 know, now that you have three kids and many years being a dad and 236 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:33.879 being in this industry, everything will change, you know, if you're if 237 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:37.080 you're gonna have kids and you're already in poker, or say you're just starting 238 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:41.120 to have kids in your in poker, your life it becomes all about your 239 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:43.799 family and not this game. There's always going to be time for poker down 240 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:46.720 the road. Uh. This is a lot easier for me to say than 241 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:52.240 actually do at times, as my wife would attest to. But perspective and 242 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:56.480 understand that everything is more important than this game when it comes to family. 243 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:02.679 All right, who's next Missus Seminal himself Tony Burns, who's no longer mister 244 00:16:02.759 --> 00:16:06.120 Seminal. He's uh, well then you can't call him mister Seminal's known him? 245 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:08.879 Is? You know Missus Seminal to me? And so Tony Burns ran, 246 00:16:10.600 --> 00:16:15.120 uh poker, I believe poker operations down at Seminal Hard Rock in Florida. 247 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:21.080 Then then he was he was actually promoted to run all of the poker 248 00:16:21.159 --> 00:16:26.279 marketing, which was like a higher position than the than the poker operations stuff. 249 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:33.000 Um. He has now since left to oversee the upstart Moneymaker Tour that 250 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:37.519 is branded, of course after Chris Moneymaker. So Tony Burns is working with 251 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:42.159 Chris Moneymaker on that endeavor right now. And you caught up with him about 252 00:16:42.679 --> 00:16:48.000 being a dad. Tony went from many years working as Seminal to now on 253 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:52.679 the money Maker Poker Tour and traveling. How does that affect you know, 254 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:56.960 having two little girls at home and making the decision to lead from Seminal to 255 00:16:56.080 --> 00:17:00.639 the Moneymaker. Well, this is my first Father's day away from them, 256 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:03.440 so you know it was a bit emotional this morning, you know, being 257 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:07.160 in a different time zone and waking up to a message from my youngest and 258 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:12.720 in a homemade card from home. Um. You know it's um, this 259 00:17:12.759 --> 00:17:18.000 opportunity with Chris is an opportunity to provide for my family in a UM. 260 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:21.680 You know, the Seminals were great for me for the eight years, so 261 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:26.599 UM terrific company left great terms. Still have a lot of love for the 262 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:30.839 brand and all the people back there. Um, but you know this opportunity 263 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:33.440 with Chris, like I said, is just something I looked at, um 264 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:37.799 to get in on the ground floor and provide something even potentially bigger for my 265 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:41.160 family and my daughters. Um. You know they're ten and eight. Um, 266 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:44.799 So this was um, you know, it was a leap of faith. 267 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:48.240 But going to work for for Chris and being able to build something um 268 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:52.359 with Chris is something that I'm really excited about. And you know things are 269 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:57.559 off and running in in a good uh, in a good way. Being 270 00:17:57.599 --> 00:18:02.400 part of the pok industry for many years now, so it's a deal. 271 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:04.839 Is let's a full stuff that obviously have kids that travel, What advice would 272 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:07.599 you give to to you know, people that are traveling with kids and stuff 273 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:11.319 like that. I think I'm the one looking for the advice. You know. 274 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:12.680 This is my first job that I've ever had traveling. I think the 275 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:17.839 biggest thing I'm trying to do is just keeping in touch with them. Um. 276 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:21.200 You know, when I was growing up, you know, in a 277 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:25.119 split family, I remember writing letters to my mother, you know, and 278 00:18:25.119 --> 00:18:29.480 and having to wait for something to come you know, via the post office, 279 00:18:29.599 --> 00:18:33.240 right, and you know, then emails came about and now we live 280 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:37.640 in the world of FaceTime. We have so much technology out there. Just 281 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:41.200 utilizing the technology and keeping in touch. Um. I try to reach out 282 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:42.759 to them first thing in the morning, before I start, and then you 283 00:18:42.759 --> 00:18:45.680 know, I try to reach out to them before they go to bed. 284 00:18:45.079 --> 00:18:48.640 Obviously the time zones make it a little bit of fun, but um, 285 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:52.079 you know, that's the biggest thing I try to do, is just stay 286 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:56.079 in touch with them every day and and see them and you know, interact 287 00:18:56.119 --> 00:18:59.279 as I would if I was there, all right. Next up, who 288 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:03.559 we got the top dog of the WSP. Oh, the scariest man in 289 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:07.400 the industry. Jack scary. Just on people, come on, he's a 290 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:11.920 little scared. I mean maybe if you're William Kasu if he's scared. Yeah, 291 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:15.920 you know. Jack's interesting. He's obviously logging long hours like we are. 292 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:19.559 And he actually, you know, in a way references WSP is kind 293 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:22.480 of being one of these children as well. So that was I've never really 294 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:25.680 kind of thought of it that way from his respective, but he kind of 295 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:27.880 elaborates on that and and the time he gets to spend with his kids at 296 00:19:27.920 --> 00:19:32.079 home and yeah, or lack thereof God, lack thereof correct, Yes, 297 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:37.799 as a father work in the World Series where you're here nearly twenty four seven, 298 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:41.240 how do you balance home life and work life. I have a great 299 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:45.160 wife. I mean, it's very understanding that's been with me since I've been 300 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:48.000 doing this, so you know, she kind of understands the uh, the 301 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:52.160 mass chaos that you know happens at the World Series, and you know kind 302 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:56.400 of what it takes to organize this this monster and to kind of keep it 303 00:19:56.440 --> 00:20:00.279 going. And you know, look, it's also kind of one of our 304 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:04.000 children. So being Father's Day, it's kind of my baby and something that 305 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:08.240 we're we're all kind of responsible for taking care of, right the same as 306 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:12.960 you would feeding it, bathing it, clothing it, and making sure that 307 00:20:14.640 --> 00:20:17.599 nothing happens to it so it doesn't get hurt. So I guess, you 308 00:20:17.599 --> 00:20:19.839 know, and long and short, it's it's one of our kids. I 309 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:23.400 tell my wife and kids that, you know, catch me July eighteenth, 310 00:20:23.440 --> 00:20:26.400 and I'll be a dad again. Are you the same? Yode chimes squeeze 311 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:30.480 in family time during the World Series, So you know, it's interesting. 312 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:34.400 You know, I have a very you know, dynamic home life, you 313 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:37.359 know, and my kids. I try to see them when I can. 314 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:41.160 They also understand because they've grown up, you know, with me doing this, 315 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:45.079 so they they get it. But they like to see me too, 316 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:47.480 and I like to see them, so you know, it's it's kind of 317 00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:51.759 a balance. So during the WSOP, like we're all hanging out for hours 318 00:20:51.759 --> 00:20:55.119 and hours and hours, but they definitely see me kind of coming and going 319 00:20:55.519 --> 00:21:00.400 from time to time. Alrighty, that was mister jack ffel If he's vice 320 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:04.160 president of the I think is title. Yeah, yeah, I believe so 321 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:07.039 he's very important. Let's I mean, of course he's very important. Yeah. 322 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:11.559 Um. Next up, I see Sean deeb Sean. Yeah, got 323 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:15.559 him in the Break of the fifty KPBC while he was playing the online event. 324 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:18.480 Um, I hope you didn't help him with any hands, you know, 325 00:21:18.519 --> 00:21:21.559 it's the whole He would should not listen to me. If if I 326 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:23.559 did, he should ignore whatever I said. I hope he raised the pace 327 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:26.720 nine and you were just losing your mind. That's definitely a fault. Um. 328 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:30.359 But yeah, I talked to Sean because obviously he is all in on 329 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:33.240 the World Series of Poker, you know, playing every day, all hours 330 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:36.400 of the day. And then outside of that, he you know, he 331 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:38.480 could easily be on the tour playing everything, but you know, opos for 332 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:42.039 that dad life, and I think that's an interesting approach for, you know, 333 00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:45.839 someone that's probably regarded as one of the best play poker players in the 334 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:51.759 world. Sean, I want to know how you approach fatherhood while trying to 335 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:55.400 be a professional poker player. You know, I just try to instill my 336 00:21:55.519 --> 00:21:59.720 kids, you know, this is not gambling. I have an edge. 337 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:02.559 You know. We're trying to kind of hide how much money I win or 338 00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:04.000 lose. We tell them a lot of the time they watched me on a 339 00:22:04.039 --> 00:22:07.880 stream cash game that it's turnment chips, so they don't see real dollar value. 340 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:11.039 When I see, oh, we want a Pilo term for a million 341 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:11.839 dollars, we tell them, no, it's not that much. Like, 342 00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:18.839 you know, we really try to keep them protected from I don't know, 343 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:22.920 getting the wrong idea of my lifestyle and stuff. But yeah, it's it's 344 00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:25.880 really tough. Obviously, I stay home a lot of the time for that 345 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:29.759 reason, because you know, you can't be on the road twenty four seven. 346 00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:33.640 I'm not twenty years old anymore. So it's it's not easy. But 347 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:37.599 me and my wife do I think do a great job. She carries the 348 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:41.440 torch when I'm in Vegas for these you know, seven weeks, and yeah, 349 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:44.079 it's just crazy here and the when you're sick and this and that, 350 00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:47.559 there's so much stuff going on at home and I'm just focused on you know, 351 00:22:47.599 --> 00:22:49.640 player of the Year in bracelets and poker. So yeah, to touch 352 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:52.480 on that, you're here every day, you're playing every day, every event 353 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:56.599 nearly, but then outside of that, you don't really play that much. 354 00:22:56.680 --> 00:23:02.519 Now is that a pure like family choice. Oh yeah, it's definitely. 355 00:23:02.599 --> 00:23:04.400 You know, me and my wife know that if I go to a term 356 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:07.920 and stop or a cash game trip or whatever, I got to be playing 357 00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:11.759 a lot of volume and reasonable high stakes to justify being away from my family. 358 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:15.160 Like I have a you know, mental amount in my head where if 359 00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:18.440 I don't think I'm gonna make X number of dollars on a trip, I'm 360 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:19.960 just not going to go. So that's why I tend to, you know, 361 00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:23.599 grind really hard when I'm somewhere because I'm gonna away from my family, 362 00:23:23.720 --> 00:23:26.359 I'm gonna put in as much volume and try to make as much money and 363 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:30.839 get as much eavy as possible. So for me, it's extra motivation because 364 00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:36.039 I know when I go home there's very little poker. So when I'm somewhere 365 00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:38.920 I can play poker and they're not here, I wake up, I can't 366 00:23:38.920 --> 00:23:41.720 wait to go. It makes it so much easier to grind, and it's 367 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:45.119 extra motivation, as if I needed more. So, Yeah, it's been 368 00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:48.680 knowing the support behind, you know, knowing when they're watching a stream. 369 00:23:48.759 --> 00:23:52.599 It's great And I hope my kids don't get into poker, but I know 370 00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:56.480 my youngest is itching already at six years old. If you were to get 371 00:23:56.519 --> 00:24:00.440 one piece of advice to fellow players with kids, what would it be. 372 00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:07.480 I think, depending on what sleep schedule you're on, I think you and 373 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:12.799 your wife or husband whatever, should consider separate bedrooms. I definitely think my 374 00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:17.920 wife's a very light sleeper. I'm a very heavy sleeper, so I think 375 00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:21.039 whenever I'm like running online all night or fly in from a trip, I 376 00:24:21.079 --> 00:24:22.720 don't want to make her day harder by waking up from middle of the night. 377 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:26.440 So that's been very beneficial for us that sometimes the nights we do it. 378 00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:33.119 So yeah, just like recognizing how your schedule interacts with the routine of 379 00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:37.559 your family and trying to make it as smooth as possible for your kids and 380 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:41.920 your wife. All right, who's next on your list? Sir Lucos. 381 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:45.039 Shawan's friend, Josh Area, another Price of winner from this year, grabbed 382 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:51.279 him as he actually sat down in the PPC early today. I think Josh's 383 00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:55.079 kids are a little bit olda I recall. But he's also similar to Sean 384 00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:59.200 where he's kind of pulling on you know, the World Series or you know, 385 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:03.359 picking a series here and there, and outside of that, he's he's 386 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:07.640 kind of a dad and just seeing how you know, that affects how he 387 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:11.440 raises the children and how his you know, choice of lifestyle. Being a 388 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:15.240 professional poker player kind of you know, works in that regard. How do 389 00:25:15.319 --> 00:25:21.759 you balance playing poker and being a father. Oh, I'm not good at 390 00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:25.119 it because I'm either just a father or just poker. I don't play. 391 00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:29.200 The only time I play pokers during the World Series and then that PLO series. 392 00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:32.920 But I'm not doing a good job. My kids are at home and 393 00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:37.160 I'm here working. But the rest of the year, I'm there's whenever they 394 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:41.119 need me, So hopefully they they're okay with me being gone for a month 395 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:44.440 out of the year to be with them for eleven months. Do they understand 396 00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:47.000 like what you're doing here and then you know kind of what you do as 397 00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:51.440 your day jogging away. Yeah, they totally get it. They're huge fans. 398 00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:55.440 Like they they're so happy when I do good and they check on me, 399 00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:59.160 and yeah, they get it. They know it's about who you got 400 00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:04.319 next. I got happy John happy. Well, like we said on the 401 00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:10.079 recent podcast, pokers is trying to calm family man John. I think I 402 00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:12.440 like family man John. I know. I mean it fits for what we're 403 00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:15.640 doing right now. Yeah, it does it. But he's very fitting. 404 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:18.200 He's angry John. He will always be angry John. And he looked very 405 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:22.160 much like angry John when we went over there to the PPC today. So 406 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:26.000 well, yeah I spoke to John. Was he angry? He was not 407 00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:30.480 angry. And you know he's obviously full time poker player. You know his 408 00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:33.559 wife Diana, who used to work with us at home with the kids, 409 00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:37.519 and he's very much he can tell that he's you know, very family orientated. 410 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:44.119 Um in a way, just trying to provide for the kiddos. John. 411 00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:45.079 I just want to know, you know, as a professional poker player, 412 00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:49.599 how do you balance life playing Bracelet Advance and playing cash games and then 413 00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:53.079 two kids at time and a wife. I think I've done a pretty good 414 00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:56.920 job. Like nonspe time because I'm able to pokers is pretty flexible if you 415 00:26:56.960 --> 00:27:00.599 want it to be. And I'm lucky. I'm only work in a couple 416 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:02.400 days a week now, so I could spend a ton of time with the 417 00:27:02.440 --> 00:27:04.519 kids. I don't be a dad and a husband, so I enjoy that. 418 00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:08.000 I think that's cool. It's super hard, though, because like you 419 00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:11.079 just hear all day every day, you know, and so any bits and 420 00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:14.279 pieces of time and that you get, I try to enjoy with the family. 421 00:27:14.359 --> 00:27:15.880 So I got to spend a few hours with him this morning with dynamic 422 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:18.960 kids and it was great. So like just trying to do what I can. 423 00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:22.920 All right, next up, who are we going? With only a 424 00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:26.279 few left? I think a couple of more left. I'm putting Brian Mike 425 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:30.240 on here. Now, Okay, if you've been listening and you haven't got 426 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:34.279 bored of my thriller dance myself. In my interviews, I basically asked, 427 00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:37.599 you know, how do you balance life as a poker player and parenthood? 428 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:41.160 Now, Brian, see even a poker player anya the thing, Brian, 429 00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:44.519 I don't really think it is a full time poker player. But so I 430 00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:47.400 wanted to go different route with him, and I went down the financial route. 431 00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:49.480 You know, we heard like Carrie touch on a little bit about finance, 432 00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:53.359 and Brian's obviously big crypto guy, and I wanted to know, I 433 00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:56.319 think his daughter is, you know, ten or twelve or something, how 434 00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:03.319 he approaches that topic as a dad, you know, educating his daughter on 435 00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:08.039 money, educating his daughter on you know, crypto, another way to invest 436 00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:12.640 and you know, set herself up and themselves up for life. Um. 437 00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:18.519 And also like what do they how like openly and freely do they actually talk 438 00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:22.880 about money because I don't think you know, that's often discussed in a world 439 00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:26.839 like this, where you know, money is such a big thing. Um. 440 00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:30.160 So I wanted to get his take on that more than just balancing poker 441 00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:33.960 and parenthood. Brian. Here, we're on the bubble right now, and 442 00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:36.920 I've been asking a lot of fathers, you know, how they balance work, 443 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:38.400 life, poker and kids. But you know, you don't play that 444 00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:41.960 much anymore. So I want to actually ask you more about the finance side 445 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:45.799 of being a father, and in particular, crypto and I want to know, 446 00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:48.640 you know, obviously you have, you know, a daughter, and 447 00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:53.960 how how much do you educate her about crypto and finance and stuff like that. 448 00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:57.640 Yeah, it's a great question. Really, thank you for asking it. 449 00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:03.160 Um. I talk very freely about finance and like what thinks how much 450 00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:07.880 things are with my ten year old daughter, and we talk about from the 451 00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:11.839 time she was very young, about there's this much percent chance that this would 452 00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:14.759 happen, and just sort of how I think about, you know the world. 453 00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:18.359 And we're looking for a house in Antigua right now, placed a couple 454 00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:19.359 of bids. She asked how much they are. I just tell her, 455 00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:23.720 And I think it's really good for a kid just to have an honest, 456 00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:30.200 you know, conversation, honest and open conversation about finances. It's like there's 457 00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:33.720 it's on some rich dad, poor dad stuff to have your daughter have a 458 00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:38.720 really good grant upon what is out there. We talk about bitcoin a lot, 459 00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:42.920 we talk about other she had some We gave her tokens at one point 460 00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:47.720 on one of the other chains on the bitcoin cash chain. We gave her 461 00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:51.160 tokens Mike on family tokens, and she had to have a wallet and she 462 00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:53.319 kept her seat in a secret place. And so I think it's really important 463 00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:56.920 to educate the young about crypto. I think it's the future. A lot 464 00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:02.160 of people know that that have seen any m fee. They know I'm a 465 00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:04.400 big crypto proponent, and so I think, of course I would teach my 466 00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:07.759 kid everything I know about it and prepare her for the future. Do you 467 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:11.119 and you and your pant openly discuss, you know, how much you have 468 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:15.920 of something or do you think that's not really the time and place right now? 469 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:18.039 Yeah, so our kids ten, and we don't tell her like you 470 00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:21.319 know, and also a lot of our you know, we have a lot 471 00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:26.400 of frog pictures is a reasonable size you know, line item there. So 472 00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:29.839 so a lot of some of the art that we have is very liquid, 473 00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:33.000 so it's difficult to value anyway, and you know, it swings rapidly. 474 00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:37.119 And then uh do we We don't really tell the daughter the exact amount of 475 00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:41.759 total crypto assets, nothing like that. But she has some general questions and 476 00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:45.680 like I think that we answer them as we decide for her age appropriateness and 477 00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:49.279 like how much things cost. I think it is much more important than like 478 00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:55.480 how much family KNT it has and just like this business like McDonald's cost one 479 00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:59.119 point five million for the franchise in some areas, Like little things like that, 480 00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:03.200 I think are more portant than my total net of a family. If 481 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:04.839 we go forward, were looking maybe you know, eight years, ten years 482 00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:07.279 time, when your daughters older, she's off a college or doing whatever she 483 00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:11.519 wants. Do you think we can see you back here playing you know, 484 00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:14.720 not just the World Series, but you know, potentially around the world. 485 00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:17.319 Yeah, I mean, you know, I like Vegas, I like playing 486 00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:18.960 poker. I've been been in Europe a little bit more recently, and uh, 487 00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:25.039 I think I think I'll always just kind of I like poker, you 488 00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:26.759 know. I mean, but I just, you know, sort of stopped 489 00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:30.319 for a couple of years building some crypto stuff out in Nantigua and Barbuda, 490 00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:34.519 and I can see myself I'll probably dip in and play tournaments, you know, 491 00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:37.119 my whole life, I think. But I really I'm addicted. I'm 492 00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:41.640 a fanboy. I like it welcome. Some might say you are a little 493 00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:44.799 bit of a crazy kid when you were younger, When you're growing up in 494 00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:49.119 the twenties, what kind of advice would you give fellow poker players crypto trade 495 00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:52.240 as however you want to put it, you know, if they're starting their 496 00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:56.079 own family. You know, it's actually how I talk to my daughter about 497 00:31:56.119 --> 00:31:57.319 it too, But I would give the same advice where like you think of 498 00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:00.759 things as percentage of net. It's like maybe like you're not thinking like the 499 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:04.079 like how much the family has everything, but you just think, Okay, 500 00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:08.160 a reasonable saving portfolio might be or very aggressive portfolio might be something like half 501 00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:15.200 SMP five hundred and a half bitcoin or maybe half bitcoin, maybe a portfolio 502 00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:19.039 bitcoin ethan, you know, maybe a wee bit of salon or something else 503 00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:21.960 that you would really like. And so I think speaking of it like that 504 00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:25.559 and telling the young to think of it as think of all of your investments, 505 00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:29.720 all of like your poker bankrolls and everything like that, as percentage of 506 00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:34.000 net, percentage of your network, and then decide for yourself, like take 507 00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:37.000 a good hard look. Am I overweight one thing or another? Do I 508 00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:40.039 have too much bitcoin? Do I have too much USD cash, too much 509 00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:44.759 stocks, too much on a poker site, too much on a Shenanigan's app 510 00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:46.599 poker site? Is that eighty percent of my net? Does that need to 511 00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:50.960 be on a poker site. I know at points in my past when I 512 00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:52.920 was like younger and a little crazier, that was a reality. And that's 513 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:55.720 obviously now when you look at that, you're like, wow, that's that 514 00:32:55.839 --> 00:33:00.279 is suicide. Basically, Well, happy Father's Dina. You're on the bubble 515 00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:01.720 here. You got a little bit of chips, So good luck and I 516 00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:05.440 hope you can run this one up. That is a great way to say 517 00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:07.599 it. That is very nice, and that is a very nice way to 518 00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:13.119 say it. Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to talk to all 519 00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:15.119 Right. That was mister Mike on good stuff there. You know, it's 520 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:20.599 good to hear that side of things, that that take on things. After 521 00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:22.680 I spoke to him, Yeah, the bubble burst in the eight hundred deep 522 00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:27.759 stack and he was in the money, so I mean, he's just he's 523 00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.039 got a cash. Mike kind is just made of money, okay these days 524 00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:36.519 Okay, Um, next, we've got Nick Schulman grabbed him during the very 525 00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:40.880 end of the break in the PPC. And you know, just whether it's 526 00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:45.359 playing high roller poker tournaments, playing high stakes cash games, you know, 527 00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:50.039 doing commentary for us, there is there's a lot of stuff going on in 528 00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:52.640 his life work wise, but also you know, young daughter at home, 529 00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:58.480 and how does he kind of, you know, like all these guys approach 530 00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:01.319 that balance of life life and being a poker player and being a parent. 531 00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:07.000 Nick, I want to know how you balance you know, playing high roller 532 00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:10.599 tournaments, playing cash games, golf and being a father and just that work 533 00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:16.840 life family balance. I just do you know, I just uh, I 534 00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:20.679 really don't know how to answer that question. It's a great question. But 535 00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:24.119 you know, I mean, outside of those things you just mentioned, I'm 536 00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:30.920 pretty much just home, you know, man, I wish I had a 537 00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:37.280 better answer. I'm honestly do you in you know, nowadays being a father, 538 00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:39.800 do you kind of is your schedule you know, completely dictated by you 539 00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:43.840 know, your daughter and how you know, what she has on school, 540 00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:46.280 et cetera. Stuff like that for the most part, outside of something like 541 00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:52.119 the series or you know, designated tournaments. But that's definitely why I've kind 542 00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:59.559 of ended up as pretty much just a tournament player now for a few years, 543 00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:02.599 to keep that schedule with the family and just be solid. I love 544 00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:06.760 to take her to school, you know, all the all the kind of 545 00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:10.199 classics like that dinner, you know, a lot of other poker players in 546 00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:14.840 this event right now, with children, what's your one piece of advice you 547 00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:16.320 could give to a poker player that's, you know, on the verge of 548 00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:22.719 signing a family, try your very best to you know, have a as 549 00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:28.519 much of a separation as you can and kind of a cliches like that, 550 00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:31.159 and don't put any bad runs on your kids, you know, all right, 551 00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:37.239 Last, but certainly not least here mister Jeremy Osmas. And the reason 552 00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:40.440 I saved him for the last because he tweeted out something this morning, a 553 00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:45.280 little letter from his daughter, and I actually want to read it real quick. 554 00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:47.239 I thought this was a fake letter. Well, we're going to get 555 00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:50.480 to that interview bit. Basically, happy Father's Day. I love you so 556 00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:52.840 much. You're the best that I've ever had and the only, no, 557 00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:57.039 seriously, you're the best that I could ever wish for. You were kind, 558 00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:00.760 loving, helpful, handsome, strong, you big muscle, was smart, 559 00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:02.840 hard working, very cool, and you're very caring. Now, this 560 00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:08.000 is the bit I really wanted to talk about, except four when you strangled 561 00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:13.159 me above the toilet like Darth Vader when I was five. But other than 562 00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:15.800 that, you are I think it's as awesome as dad in the world. 563 00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:22.440 And that's from his daughter. And I asked him a couple of questions and 564 00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:25.800 then we lead on and he kind of explains that letter, and you know, 565 00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:31.239 is it really truthful or is it a little fabrication from his daughter? 566 00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:36.920 Persually happy father say to a fellow dad, I want to know how you 567 00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:42.400 approach fatherhood while trying to be a professional poker player. Um, schedules help, 568 00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:45.639 you know, not playing through the night, and then you just have 569 00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:49.679 to, you know, make some sacrifices to your poker career for your family, 570 00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:53.360 you know, and be around for the sporting events and all the school 571 00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:58.519 plays and things like that. So just a balancing act. I've been able 572 00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:01.000 to do it pretty well over the years. So I've been fortunate there having 573 00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:05.840 two young young kids. Do they kind of understand what you're doing and also 574 00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:09.440 like kind of amounts of money you're playing for? Yeah, yeah, they 575 00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:14.239 because they watch the streams. Sometimes they don't really fully get poker, but 576 00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:17.519 they know that i'man you know, a poker player and play the big sakes 577 00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:22.480 and them on TV and all that stuff, and they think it's cool talk 578 00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:25.880 about sacrifices and like obviously there's plenty of places to play poking nowadays, but 579 00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:30.679 how much of does you know your family have any influencing deciding to go, 580 00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:32.480 say the seminole or a trying or something like yeah. Sure. So I 581 00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:37.840 don't go overseas a lot because of because of the family. I try not 582 00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:39.519 to be gone for over two weeks at a time, and I only do 583 00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:43.760 that like three or four times, three times a year, maybe something like 584 00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:46.719 that. So I went out of the country once last year, I mean, 585 00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:51.519 not counting Bahamas. So I usually just go to there's so much in 586 00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:54.719 Vegas now, I pick that and then go to Florida. Usually. Final 587 00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:58.480 question here, I think everyone's dying to know this, but did you really 588 00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:00.840 choke your son over the toilet like Darth Vader? Or was he just messing 589 00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:05.320 with you? No? That's my daughters. She has some weird stories from 590 00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:07.840 her childhood that I don't know where she gets them, and I tell her, 591 00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:09.320 like the memory is a weird thing, like you think you remember things, 592 00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:12.880 it's not. She has another one that I gave her a knife on 593 00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:15.559 the a butcher knife on the counter when she was like three years old, 594 00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:17.400 and then I just left the room and said to see you later, she 595 00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:21.480 swears the app and she was like two or three am. It's just it's 596 00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:23.880 these stories are hilarious, they're funny to hear in person. Actually good. 597 00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:29.199 I guess my question to you coming out of that endview is are you gonna 598 00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:31.800 be calling child services? Nah? Okay, but I believe him. I 599 00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:37.760 believe that he that the daughter is lying and that Jeremy did not darth vader 600 00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:44.679 her over the toilet. Good. There was there was a post in I 601 00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:49.599 think it was our community Facebook group about I don't know, somebody had a 602 00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.960 cell phone video they were driving down the street and there was a girl or 603 00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:59.039 a young girl, like a kid, riding a bike. She had an 604 00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:02.519 umbrella on because it was raining the other day. Um, and I think 605 00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:05.960 she was like kind of started in the street and then she got up on 606 00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:07.760 the sidewalk or whatever. But she was super young. I mean, she 607 00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:12.599 was probably like five to eight years old, so I don't even know. 608 00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:15.519 Um. But anyway, this person posted the video and was like, you 609 00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:19.360 know, your kids shouldn't be out here like this and this whole thing and 610 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.280 yeada, yeah, yeahda, and it just turned into this whole thing. 611 00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:24.559 I was doing way worse ship than just riding a bike down the road in 612 00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:29.519 the rain when I was like five years old. So I don't know, 613 00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:31.880 I just I generally think, you know, everyone is just pretty soft these 614 00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:36.320 days. Mind you. This guy is driving while filming, which is illegal. 615 00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:40.400 Okay, pal, Yeah, let's I mean, the whole thing is 616 00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:45.159 just come on. Do you ever get into like these next door groups or 617 00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:50.639 these like Facebook community groups. I mean it is just absolute hell. Yeah, 618 00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:53.599 absolute hell. We have a new one for the community I moved into, 619 00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:59.239 and it's it's it's very dormant, you know, not everyone just yeah, 620 00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:02.159 just the Karen's gotta get set up. They gotta set up their computers 621 00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:06.119 and then it's got to fire stuff off. Yeah, that's how they are. 622 00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:09.519 I kind of enjoy the train wreak sometimes, but um, all right, 623 00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:14.559 so what else are we doing on this podcast? I promise the people 624 00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:16.440 the listeners, Oh yeah, we would have a family part if I have 625 00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:19.639 one. I'm hoping you have one. I don't have one. I'm ready 626 00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:22.599 to go go ahead. Is my son's seventh birthday this week, and we 627 00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:25.559 had his feeling. His son was like twelve. I don't even know why. 628 00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:30.880 That's my daughter, My daughter's fourteen but seven, and we went to 629 00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:35.360 one of those like trampoline parks called Explode. I think it's called Explode. 630 00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:38.480 He had a bunch of kids. He not the best name, but I 631 00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:43.519 was very like, I wouldn't want to send my kids somewhere where he could 632 00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:46.079 possibly explode, you know, I mean just that just it's definitely got an 633 00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:50.519 X because he said, let's go, We're going to the big x X 634 00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:55.960 explode zone. Yeah, that's anyway We're going to explodes. And I was 635 00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:00.519 just the first thing I was thinking was I hope I don't explode zone my 636 00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:04.639 acl jumping on trampolines, to be honest, because I'm old, and that 637 00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:07.079 would be not you're pretty safe jumping on trampolines. But yeah, he had 638 00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:10.440 four friends. I was chasing his friends around, were playing dodge ball. 639 00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:15.840 It was me unto four seven year old crazy kid. I hope you punished 640 00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:19.280 the hello. I hit them in the head multiplied, so you have to, 641 00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.559 like, you have to give give some back, So I no, 642 00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:24.519 you don't. I got him. I got each of them once in the 643 00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:28.119 head. I got him in the chest. I knocked Caleb to the ground, 644 00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:30.880 pushed some of them over and then I let them all get me. 645 00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:32.800 I like fell to the ground. They were just slamming with balls. But 646 00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:36.679 I just want to say I was We were jumping for like only forty minutes 647 00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:39.679 before like the cake and the pizza came and stuff. I felt like I 648 00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:45.719 just ran like twelve months. I was dressing sweat, I was puffing and 649 00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:51.239 puffing. I was exhausted, and I was thinking I was there with um, 650 00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:52.119 you know, one of our friends, Ben Ludlow, he was, 651 00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:57.000 you know, along for the for the jump of fun, and we were 652 00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:00.559 like for the jump of thn that explodes zone. I wish we had this 653 00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:06.719 when we were kids. I would have been there of my life. I 654 00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:09.320 mean, yeah, we had one kind of close to us when I was 655 00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:13.880 like in high school, but I never never went. I think I went 656 00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:15.320 once to like pick up my brother, but that was it. Yeah, 657 00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:17.840 it was fun. But I had a lot of fun and stead of him, 658 00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:22.280 Well that's good. That's all that matters. Yeah, the kids having 659 00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:24.280 fun. I don't. I don't have anything anything good for a Father's Day. 660 00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:28.760 Any presents this morning. Nothing. No. I got a card and 661 00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:30.559 like a little drawing thing, which is great. And that's the end of 662 00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:36.199 that movie. I'm just hell no, I made my wife went to work 663 00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:39.000 and I watched the kid on three hours asleep, which was fucking torture. 664 00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:42.440 What do you want me to say? Well, happy Father's Day to you. 665 00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:45.119 Yeah, that's fucking's great. It's just like any other day in my 666 00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:47.320 life. Um. So yeah, it's funny. My wife is always like, 667 00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:49.719 what do you want for a Father's Day? What do you want for 668 00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.400 your birthday? I don't want anything. It's just another day to just move 669 00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:54.079 on and keep it, keep it trucking. Yeah, we don't need nothing. 670 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:57.079 I wanted two donnuts on a coffee. That's what I got, and 671 00:42:57.079 --> 00:43:00.719 that's pretty happy with that. So there you go. Yeah, um, 672 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:02.360 all right, I don't think we have anything else to talk about on this 673 00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:07.000 episode of the Poker Girl podcast. That really was absolutely nothing about poker. 674 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:10.639 That said, we did talk to a lot of poker people, yeah, 675 00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:15.000 about being dads to celebrate Father's Day. So that was a cool thing. 676 00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:17.960 This was all Tim Tim's idea. I am happy to give it to him. 677 00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:21.000 If it sucked, you guys can blame him. If it was great, 678 00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:23.440 he can take all the credit. Not a big deal, but it 679 00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:28.360 was fun to listen to all the stuff that those guys had to say fun 680 00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:30.000 to kind of like you know, jointly. It's it's kind of weird, 681 00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:37.719 how like now all these guys you you know, you came up covering and 682 00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:39.960 you know, you know, and you build you know, somewhat relationships with 683 00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:44.159 over the years just because you see everyone blah blah blah. And now the 684 00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:46.159 conversations are now that we're all dads. Oh as your kids doing this? 685 00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:49.920 Is that like that's what it's about, you know. So and I guess 686 00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:52.079 we should give a shout out to Jason Coombs. Him and his wife Bianca 687 00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:59.800 welcomed a second baby boy, either what last night or yesterday or whatever. 688 00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:05.119 M Cole I believe is the name that they're going with, Cole coon U. 689 00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:07.960 So yeah, so yeah, that's what we got here. All right, 690 00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:12.119 that's gonna do it for us on this episode. Um, next thing 691 00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:15.960 in your feed will be more of a normal Poker Girl podcast episode, but 692 00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:20.400 we appreciate you guys tuning in here for Tim's little special edition Poker Girl podcast. 693 00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:22.000 It was fun and you'll hear from us pretty soon.