It's done. Hello everyone, welcome back to another edition of the Poker Go
Podcast. I have exactly no idea what the heck this podcast is going to
be about. This is Tim's idea. He's laughing over there. I come
in today. He starts telling me about this idea. It's Father's Day.
He's interviewing all these people who are dad's. He didn't interview with me because
he's a real ass hat. And yeah, I don't know, so please
explain to the people exactly what we're doing here. I want to preface this
by saying, I didn't think you were coming in today. You had a
light stream lost I did. We didn't get done until three a m.
Or something like that. It was Father's Day. I thought you were going
to spend time at harm with the missus, the little baby, and then
he said, no, I'm on my way in about five o'clock. So
I was gonna do this solo. I was going to freak out. But
my plan was it's Father's Day. There's a lot of dad's here at the
World Series of Poker, and I thought, let's just talk to the dads.
I'm not going to ask him about you know, how to play aces?
And all that kind of rubbish. We're gonna talk to him about family,
you know, being a dad, being a husband, all that kind
of stuff. So I just went round the room. I went to the
PPC, I went to through the monster stack, I went through some of
our staff members even and just you know, asked him a few different questions
about being a father, fatherhood, how they're live lives when they're playing poker
and and trying to be a father. You know, mingle, who did
you talk to? Who talked to? You know, our Lord and Savior
carry cats, our Lord and Savior. I'm gonna make this stick. I'm
really going to try, really have to make this stick. Not the Lord
and say I like the Lord and Savior. I'm not religious, so no
like doing Lord and Savior. Popular President Marius Condani. You know he's also
well actually both him and carry have grandchildren. Um, some of you might
not know that about Kerry. Actually he has five grandchildren. Would you guess
that it's a lot? Um? No, I mean it's a lot.
I knew he had some grandchildren. I didn't think it was five. Yeah.
Talk to Brent Hanks, he has three kids of his own. I
mean, Brent could be a grandpa. Yeah, I'm concerned. I talked
to Tony Burns, Okay has two daughters being in the industry, So that's
basically, you know three people that were industry obviously carries a bit of a
businessman slash poker player. Uh. I talked to Jack Appel from WSP.
He's actually the first interview I did today. Um, and then a plethora.
I know you love that word of bracelet witness Sean Deep, Josh,
you said preface earlier, then you said plethora. I'm the earlier. You're
sending to me quotes from people that have the word ton spelled t o nny.
You've been in America more than a lot of America. I guess still
some Australian words anyway, Sean Deep, Josh r A John Manette, Nick
Schulman, Jeremy Osmus, and I talked to Brian the Icon Macon A little
twist to that interview. You'll hear that, and yeah, that's how I
kind of spoke to. So are we just like throwing into these interviews.
Let's introduce it. We're gonna say, say I want to say something about
some people, and we'll throw the interview be a quick episode because we're gonna
do a double We're gonna come back a little later and bang another one out.
I just want just quickly to let people know what's happening this summer is
that we brought our good friend podcast producer Rich Ryan aboard so that we can
record here in Vegas. We figure it's going to be late at night because
that's what we've been doing in past years. And then normally it would be
me, you know, editing them, putting them up on the feed.
I kind of know, like the absolute bare bones editing. You know.
I can put the introm music in, I can put the outrem music in.
I can do some cuts here and there, you know whatever, nothing
too snazzy. Rich is much better. He makes us sound much better.
He can do some magic, all that sort of stuff. It's just past
midnight here in Vegas. He's asleep. We just dumped the files in a
drive. He gets up in the morning, he puts them up on the
website while her in the feed while we're sleeping. Okay, I can't wait
till he wakes up and see the nonsense that you have when the heat transitions
between each interview. I want the best wsp slash poker goo related sound effects
that he can come up with. I mean it has to be like the
twang twang. I want the twang and he can use multiple versions of the
twang or the chip shuffles whatever. But and then we're gonna finish with a
little family part, you and me. I hope you have something I don't.
It's been Father's that you gotta have something. I don't have anything.
I don't know anything. Man. First up, her president Maries Candani.
I talked to him about, you know, being a parent and a grandfather,
both as a professional poker player and you know in the industry working with
us and behind the scenes, you know, production and you know. I
him. I also asked him give give us a piece of advice. I'm
being a being a parent. First of all, Happy Father's Day to you,
Honda. With you two, as someone that's been in this industry for
a long time, where the busiest time of the year is the summer when
your kids and grandkids are off, how do you balance being a father a
grandfather with you know, your kids and grandkids. I send them away,
I sent them know I it's you know, I try to spend time with
them in the mornings. I mean, this is usually like more of an
afternoon thing. So it makes some days be really long. You know,
you're here until one or two am, and then kids expecting to have breakfast
with you at eight. You know, you're just just going to do it.
So you'll have a few really long days. But it's worth it.
It's not you know, a lot of times they also take a vacation.
They're not even here, you know, the biggest gets really hot. They
move on going, you know, to Oregon. They have a place there
they go to. But when they're here, I spend time with them.
I see them every other day, but all in the mornings, all like
a couple of hours. Whether you're a poker player or you know, you're
work on the production side throughout the year, do you find you know the
time to you know, to balance that work balance those kids, Like,
did I understand it? Hey, there's times where I'm kind of going to
be gone or what I'm actually not doing a very good job. I mean
when I was just playing poker, when it was just purely playing poker for
a living, it was a little bit easier because I could I could basically
set my own time at any time. It didn't matter, you know,
it could be in the middle of the busiest time or and usually when I
picked the time, it was not weekends, so we could like go do
things, not standing lines. If you're going to Disney, Man, it
would have been like in the middle of the week and things like that because
I could do it. But now it's a little different, and I can't
say that I have a formula for it. I don't think I'm doing a
very good job with it. But I still try my hardest to spend time
with grand kids for sure, at least twice a week at least, whether
we're playing three holes of golf or going to dinner or something like that.
So you'll find fine, you're to give one piece of advice, so or
the poker playing fathers out there, what would it be, Well, your
kids most likely are never going to understand exactly what this is that you do
for a living, and very good chance they're not going to be doing what
you do for a living. So it's not you know, it's I don't
know if it is. The best advice I can give them is tell the
kids, explain to them, this is not gambling. Make sure they understand
that there's a big difference between poker and gambling, and explain to them why
there is nothing wrong with you teaching your kids how to play the game,
because the least thing that can come out of it is good for their math.
They will understand the mathematic part of it, the probability part of it,
and all that, even if they don't understand the psychological part of it,
which is fine. Yeah, a lot of fathers usually, you know,
at least when I was coming along in the pro world, they weren't
really easy to let their kids see them playing, you know, shuffling money
around and all that, and they were afraid the kids will take that interpreted
as gambling and apply to places that he's not supposed to. So I've always
told my kids what I do. I always told him, you know,
how you do it. None of them had any interest to become a poker
player whatsoever. So yeah, and my advice is be proud of what you're
doing. Explain to them what you're doing, and if they don't, you
know, come along. That's fine. I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't
mind. I mean, listen, Maury Is I mean, everyone calls him
Uncle Morey. He really is Uncle Maury. You know, he just is.
You know, he's always like kind of taking care of people, looking
out for people, all that sort of stuff. So just an all around
great human being, great guy. I'm assuming great father, great grandfather as
well. I know he you know, he's invited my family over at times.
I'm sure he's invited everyone in the company over at times. I've yet
to take him up on it, but yeah, he has invited us over
at times. You know. I think it was last year, was like,
what are you doing for Thanksgiving? If you're not gonna go like back
east to visit your family, why don't you just come over at our house?
You know, like all that, all that sort of stuff. I
mean, that's just the type of guy that he is. Also his wife
Cathy, you know, she's always as cookies in the business, baking cookies.
But I think she like went away for like a week. He told
us that she's like going away somewhere for a week. Yeah, and we
were like, well, Maury, what about the cookie exactly we need this.
She's a baker at least a week's worth. Put him in the freezer
and make this happen. Because we just can't go without the cookies, the
rice, Chrissie choas and all of that sort of stuff. Um, all
right, next up, who you got? We got Carrie Katz, businessman
ka player runner Brice to a potential brace that this year. You know,
he's you know, similar to more professional life, you know, in his
industry, transitioning to poka more he's kind of the opposite away, um,
busy, busy man. And obviously we have six kids, you know,
four or five grandchildren I think, And yeah, I just wanted to kind
of get how he approaches fatherhood as a successful businessman, and you know,
you can kind of say a professional poker play now these days, how do
you balance you know, work poker and as you said, six kids and
potentially many more grandkids. Well, fortunately, one hundred and sixty eight hours
in a week, so every every hour it is pretty much accounted for.
Whether it's spending time with a family. I'm not spending time with a family.
I'm working, or I'm training, or I'm playing poker. So it's
obviously less time with the family when I'm playing poker, especially if I'm doing
it well. When business was your focus, so you know, Hite a
while ago. How involved were you know, your children in you know,
decisions, were you cluing them into things or deals anything? It wasn't mainly
just you know, separating family and business. Um, well, when I
when I started my student loan company, I was twenty nine years old,
so and I had at that point we had our fourth kid, our fourth
child, and but you know, I'd worked every night till like seven or
eight o'clock. So my wife did all the all the heavy lifting. I
mean that was available on the weekends and stuff. But yeah, work was
work with I didn't play any pover then. It was just all work.
So nowadays, you know, probably a little bit less business, more polka.
How do you like, do you set aside time just to see the
kids, see the grand kids or do you just you know, have to
kind of squeeze in a round your schedule. It's always time. Like because
two of the two of the grands two of my grandkids live in the same
building I live in, so I see them every day. And then the
other three are in California, and Jackie and I go out there about every
two months ago so two months or so, and we take them to Disney
Lands. So there's always there's always enough time. You can always make the
time. You just gotta be efficient. As you mentioned, six kids,
what advice would you give to, you know, whether it's a fellow businessman
or a fellow poker player. Um on, you know, six kids,
multiple kids, like raising raising a family. Best advice is you got to
like make sure your financial houses in order, or it's I couldn't even imagine
the stress levels. I mean, we were very lucky that, you know,
the business was successful and I was able to make a lot of money,
and we were able to have additional support and housekeepers and things like that.
So to me, try to make sure your financial order, your financial
house is an order before you start having children. Is that something you've kind
of spent extra time, you know, educating your children about like the importents
of finances and you know, patfolios, balanced portfolios, everything like that.
All um you know, and some of my kids are financially responsible and others
aren't. But you know, I do my best to try to, you
know, guide him in that direction. You call him a businessman, I
feel like he's these days, is he's more of a poker player than a
businessman. Yeah, I mean I think He's always going to have the businessman
monica. You all my dad first poker players, second businessman. Third is
kind of how I rank him, now, okay, yeah that makes sense.
I mean that's just how I put it. Um, Brent Hanks,
Brent Hanks grabbed him while you know, break from commentary on the two.
No, he knew, he knew. I see him and he was coming.
I said, I'll get you next break. He has no problems,
you know, Brent's Brent's got three young boys at home. That just sounds
like madness being being a part of three young boys. I have two younger
brothers. I mean, it just sounds like insanity. So yeah, he's
God bless his wife clearing up with that one hundred percent. You know,
he's pretty much our age and you know, dabbled as a professional poker player.
Now he's obviously director of programming and poker go. Um. You know,
times like this it's hard to see they see your kids when you're at
the World Series every day. But you know does his best and obviously has
his fantastic wife Liz at home, you know, corraling those crazy kids.
Firstly, Happy Father's Day, Thank you, Happy fathers, say to you
was thank you. I want to ask you, as a industry experienced,
savvy veteran, how it is you know, raising kids and working in this
industry where your hours are just sometimes it's completely crazy, really hard. And
it's not hard on me. It's harder on it's very hard on my wife,
and she's the one that endures it all, goes through the crazy hours
and swings, especially at the World Series of Poker. So anyone wives out
there, moms that are married into this industry, they know exactly what I'm
talking about, and it's yeah, it's very difficult. Your kids are a
little on the younger side, But what do they know understand about kind of
what you do for living both you know, working for Pago, but also
when you're actually playing poke atonomous. Well, my oldest is kind of he's
starting to understand poker a little bit, what hands are, what everything means
on the screen. My five and two year old really just think I'm like
a YouTube star. They don't. They don't really get that we're just you
know, we're streaming there from time to time. They hear my voice,
they see me, you know, from time to time, and that's kind
of where they think I am. They just think I'm a TV YouTube guy.
What advice do you have, you know, maybe an aspiring poker player
that wants to have a family, What advice can you give them? You
know, now that you have three kids and many years being a dad and
being in this industry, everything will change, you know, if you're if
you're gonna have kids and you're already in poker, or say you're just starting
to have kids in your in poker, your life it becomes all about your
family and not this game. There's always going to be time for poker down
the road. Uh. This is a lot easier for me to say than
actually do at times, as my wife would attest to. But perspective and
understand that everything is more important than this game when it comes to family.
All right, who's next Missus Seminal himself Tony Burns, who's no longer mister
Seminal. He's uh, well then you can't call him mister Seminal's known him?
Is? You know Missus Seminal to me? And so Tony Burns ran,
uh poker, I believe poker operations down at Seminal Hard Rock in Florida.
Then then he was he was actually promoted to run all of the poker
marketing, which was like a higher position than the than the poker operations stuff.
Um. He has now since left to oversee the upstart Moneymaker Tour that
is branded, of course after Chris Moneymaker. So Tony Burns is working with
Chris Moneymaker on that endeavor right now. And you caught up with him about
being a dad. Tony went from many years working as Seminal to now on
the money Maker Poker Tour and traveling. How does that affect you know,
having two little girls at home and making the decision to lead from Seminal to
the Moneymaker. Well, this is my first Father's day away from them,
so you know it was a bit emotional this morning, you know, being
in a different time zone and waking up to a message from my youngest and
in a homemade card from home. Um. You know it's um, this
opportunity with Chris is an opportunity to provide for my family in a UM.
You know, the Seminals were great for me for the eight years, so
UM terrific company left great terms. Still have a lot of love for the
brand and all the people back there. Um, but you know this opportunity
with Chris, like I said, is just something I looked at, um
to get in on the ground floor and provide something even potentially bigger for my
family and my daughters. Um. You know they're ten and eight. Um,
So this was um, you know, it was a leap of faith.
But going to work for for Chris and being able to build something um
with Chris is something that I'm really excited about. And you know things are
off and running in in a good uh, in a good way. Being
part of the pok industry for many years now, so it's a deal.
Is let's a full stuff that obviously have kids that travel, What advice would
you give to to you know, people that are traveling with kids and stuff
like that. I think I'm the one looking for the advice. You know.
This is my first job that I've ever had traveling. I think the
biggest thing I'm trying to do is just keeping in touch with them. Um.
You know, when I was growing up, you know, in a
split family, I remember writing letters to my mother, you know, and
and having to wait for something to come you know, via the post office,
right, and you know, then emails came about and now we live
in the world of FaceTime. We have so much technology out there. Just
utilizing the technology and keeping in touch. Um. I try to reach out
to them first thing in the morning, before I start, and then you
know, I try to reach out to them before they go to bed.
Obviously the time zones make it a little bit of fun, but um,
you know, that's the biggest thing I try to do, is just stay
in touch with them every day and and see them and you know, interact
as I would if I was there, all right. Next up, who
we got the top dog of the WSP. Oh, the scariest man in
the industry. Jack scary. Just on people, come on, he's a
little scared. I mean maybe if you're William Kasu if he's scared. Yeah,
you know. Jack's interesting. He's obviously logging long hours like we are.
And he actually, you know, in a way references WSP is kind
of being one of these children as well. So that was I've never really
kind of thought of it that way from his respective, but he kind of
elaborates on that and and the time he gets to spend with his kids at
home and yeah, or lack thereof God, lack thereof correct, Yes,
as a father work in the World Series where you're here nearly twenty four seven,
how do you balance home life and work life. I have a great
wife. I mean, it's very understanding that's been with me since I've been
doing this, so you know, she kind of understands the uh, the
mass chaos that you know happens at the World Series, and you know kind
of what it takes to organize this this monster and to kind of keep it
going. And you know, look, it's also kind of one of our
children. So being Father's Day, it's kind of my baby and something that
we're we're all kind of responsible for taking care of, right the same as
you would feeding it, bathing it, clothing it, and making sure that
nothing happens to it so it doesn't get hurt. So I guess, you
know, and long and short, it's it's one of our kids. I
tell my wife and kids that, you know, catch me July eighteenth,
and I'll be a dad again. Are you the same? Yode chimes squeeze
in family time during the World Series, So you know, it's interesting.
You know, I have a very you know, dynamic home life, you
know, and my kids. I try to see them when I can.
They also understand because they've grown up, you know, with me doing this,
so they they get it. But they like to see me too,
and I like to see them, so you know, it's it's kind of
a balance. So during the WSOP, like we're all hanging out for hours
and hours and hours, but they definitely see me kind of coming and going
from time to time. Alrighty, that was mister jack ffel If he's vice
president of the I think is title. Yeah, yeah, I believe so
he's very important. Let's I mean, of course he's very important. Yeah.
Um. Next up, I see Sean deeb Sean. Yeah, got
him in the Break of the fifty KPBC while he was playing the online event.
Um, I hope you didn't help him with any hands, you know,
it's the whole He would should not listen to me. If if I
did, he should ignore whatever I said. I hope he raised the pace
nine and you were just losing your mind. That's definitely a fault. Um.
But yeah, I talked to Sean because obviously he is all in on
the World Series of Poker, you know, playing every day, all hours
of the day. And then outside of that, he you know, he
could easily be on the tour playing everything, but you know, opos for
that dad life, and I think that's an interesting approach for, you know,
someone that's probably regarded as one of the best play poker players in the
world. Sean, I want to know how you approach fatherhood while trying to
be a professional poker player. You know, I just try to instill my
kids, you know, this is not gambling. I have an edge.
You know. We're trying to kind of hide how much money I win or
lose. We tell them a lot of the time they watched me on a
stream cash game that it's turnment chips, so they don't see real dollar value.
When I see, oh, we want a Pilo term for a million
dollars, we tell them, no, it's not that much. Like,
you know, we really try to keep them protected from I don't know,
getting the wrong idea of my lifestyle and stuff. But yeah, it's it's
really tough. Obviously, I stay home a lot of the time for that
reason, because you know, you can't be on the road twenty four seven.
I'm not twenty years old anymore. So it's it's not easy. But
me and my wife do I think do a great job. She carries the
torch when I'm in Vegas for these you know, seven weeks, and yeah,
it's just crazy here and the when you're sick and this and that,
there's so much stuff going on at home and I'm just focused on you know,
player of the Year in bracelets and poker. So yeah, to touch
on that, you're here every day, you're playing every day, every event
nearly, but then outside of that, you don't really play that much.
Now is that a pure like family choice. Oh yeah, it's definitely.
You know, me and my wife know that if I go to a term
and stop or a cash game trip or whatever, I got to be playing
a lot of volume and reasonable high stakes to justify being away from my family.
Like I have a you know, mental amount in my head where if
I don't think I'm gonna make X number of dollars on a trip, I'm
just not going to go. So that's why I tend to, you know,
grind really hard when I'm somewhere because I'm gonna away from my family,
I'm gonna put in as much volume and try to make as much money and
get as much eavy as possible. So for me, it's extra motivation because
I know when I go home there's very little poker. So when I'm somewhere
I can play poker and they're not here, I wake up, I can't
wait to go. It makes it so much easier to grind, and it's
extra motivation, as if I needed more. So, Yeah, it's been
knowing the support behind, you know, knowing when they're watching a stream.
It's great And I hope my kids don't get into poker, but I know
my youngest is itching already at six years old. If you were to get
one piece of advice to fellow players with kids, what would it be.
I think, depending on what sleep schedule you're on, I think you and
your wife or husband whatever, should consider separate bedrooms. I definitely think my
wife's a very light sleeper. I'm a very heavy sleeper, so I think
whenever I'm like running online all night or fly in from a trip, I
don't want to make her day harder by waking up from middle of the night.
So that's been very beneficial for us that sometimes the nights we do it.
So yeah, just like recognizing how your schedule interacts with the routine of
your family and trying to make it as smooth as possible for your kids and
your wife. All right, who's next on your list? Sir Lucos.
Shawan's friend, Josh Area, another Price of winner from this year, grabbed
him as he actually sat down in the PPC early today. I think Josh's
kids are a little bit olda I recall. But he's also similar to Sean
where he's kind of pulling on you know, the World Series or you know,
picking a series here and there, and outside of that, he's he's
kind of a dad and just seeing how you know, that affects how he
raises the children and how his you know, choice of lifestyle. Being a
professional poker player kind of you know, works in that regard. How do
you balance playing poker and being a father. Oh, I'm not good at
it because I'm either just a father or just poker. I don't play.
The only time I play pokers during the World Series and then that PLO series.
But I'm not doing a good job. My kids are at home and
I'm here working. But the rest of the year, I'm there's whenever they
need me, So hopefully they they're okay with me being gone for a month
out of the year to be with them for eleven months. Do they understand
like what you're doing here and then you know kind of what you do as
your day jogging away. Yeah, they totally get it. They're huge fans.
Like they they're so happy when I do good and they check on me,
and yeah, they get it. They know it's about who you got
next. I got happy John happy. Well, like we said on the
recent podcast, pokers is trying to calm family man John. I think I
like family man John. I know. I mean it fits for what we're
doing right now. Yeah, it does it. But he's very fitting.
He's angry John. He will always be angry John. And he looked very
much like angry John when we went over there to the PPC today. So
well, yeah I spoke to John. Was he angry? He was not
angry. And you know he's obviously full time poker player. You know his
wife Diana, who used to work with us at home with the kids,
and he's very much he can tell that he's you know, very family orientated.
Um in a way, just trying to provide for the kiddos. John.
I just want to know, you know, as a professional poker player,
how do you balance life playing Bracelet Advance and playing cash games and then
two kids at time and a wife. I think I've done a pretty good
job. Like nonspe time because I'm able to pokers is pretty flexible if you
want it to be. And I'm lucky. I'm only work in a couple
days a week now, so I could spend a ton of time with the
kids. I don't be a dad and a husband, so I enjoy that.
I think that's cool. It's super hard, though, because like you
just hear all day every day, you know, and so any bits and
pieces of time and that you get, I try to enjoy with the family.
So I got to spend a few hours with him this morning with dynamic
kids and it was great. So like just trying to do what I can.
All right, next up, who are we going? With only a
few left? I think a couple of more left. I'm putting Brian Mike
on here. Now, Okay, if you've been listening and you haven't got
bored of my thriller dance myself. In my interviews, I basically asked,
you know, how do you balance life as a poker player and parenthood?
Now, Brian, see even a poker player anya the thing, Brian,
I don't really think it is a full time poker player. But so I
wanted to go different route with him, and I went down the financial route.
You know, we heard like Carrie touch on a little bit about finance,
and Brian's obviously big crypto guy, and I wanted to know, I
think his daughter is, you know, ten or twelve or something, how
he approaches that topic as a dad, you know, educating his daughter on
money, educating his daughter on you know, crypto, another way to invest
and you know, set herself up and themselves up for life. Um.
And also like what do they how like openly and freely do they actually talk
about money because I don't think you know, that's often discussed in a world
like this, where you know, money is such a big thing. Um.
So I wanted to get his take on that more than just balancing poker
and parenthood. Brian. Here, we're on the bubble right now, and
I've been asking a lot of fathers, you know, how they balance work,
life, poker and kids. But you know, you don't play that
much anymore. So I want to actually ask you more about the finance side
of being a father, and in particular, crypto and I want to know,
you know, obviously you have, you know, a daughter, and
how how much do you educate her about crypto and finance and stuff like that.
Yeah, it's a great question. Really, thank you for asking it.
Um. I talk very freely about finance and like what thinks how much
things are with my ten year old daughter, and we talk about from the
time she was very young, about there's this much percent chance that this would
happen, and just sort of how I think about, you know the world.
And we're looking for a house in Antigua right now, placed a couple
of bids. She asked how much they are. I just tell her,
And I think it's really good for a kid just to have an honest,
you know, conversation, honest and open conversation about finances. It's like there's
it's on some rich dad, poor dad stuff to have your daughter have a
really good grant upon what is out there. We talk about bitcoin a lot,
we talk about other she had some We gave her tokens at one point
on one of the other chains on the bitcoin cash chain. We gave her
tokens Mike on family tokens, and she had to have a wallet and she
kept her seat in a secret place. And so I think it's really important
to educate the young about crypto. I think it's the future. A lot
of people know that that have seen any m fee. They know I'm a
big crypto proponent, and so I think, of course I would teach my
kid everything I know about it and prepare her for the future. Do you
and you and your pant openly discuss, you know, how much you have
of something or do you think that's not really the time and place right now?
Yeah, so our kids ten, and we don't tell her like you
know, and also a lot of our you know, we have a lot
of frog pictures is a reasonable size you know, line item there. So
so a lot of some of the art that we have is very liquid,
so it's difficult to value anyway, and you know, it swings rapidly.
And then uh do we We don't really tell the daughter the exact amount of
total crypto assets, nothing like that. But she has some general questions and
like I think that we answer them as we decide for her age appropriateness and
like how much things cost. I think it is much more important than like
how much family KNT it has and just like this business like McDonald's cost one
point five million for the franchise in some areas, Like little things like that,
I think are more portant than my total net of a family. If
we go forward, were looking maybe you know, eight years, ten years
time, when your daughters older, she's off a college or doing whatever she
wants. Do you think we can see you back here playing you know,
not just the World Series, but you know, potentially around the world.
Yeah, I mean, you know, I like Vegas, I like playing
poker. I've been been in Europe a little bit more recently, and uh,
I think I think I'll always just kind of I like poker, you
know. I mean, but I just, you know, sort of stopped
for a couple of years building some crypto stuff out in Nantigua and Barbuda,
and I can see myself I'll probably dip in and play tournaments, you know,
my whole life, I think. But I really I'm addicted. I'm
a fanboy. I like it welcome. Some might say you are a little
bit of a crazy kid when you were younger, When you're growing up in
the twenties, what kind of advice would you give fellow poker players crypto trade
as however you want to put it, you know, if they're starting their
own family. You know, it's actually how I talk to my daughter about
it too, But I would give the same advice where like you think of
things as percentage of net. It's like maybe like you're not thinking like the
like how much the family has everything, but you just think, Okay,
a reasonable saving portfolio might be or very aggressive portfolio might be something like half
SMP five hundred and a half bitcoin or maybe half bitcoin, maybe a portfolio
bitcoin ethan, you know, maybe a wee bit of salon or something else
that you would really like. And so I think speaking of it like that
and telling the young to think of it as think of all of your investments,
all of like your poker bankrolls and everything like that, as percentage of
net, percentage of your network, and then decide for yourself, like take
a good hard look. Am I overweight one thing or another? Do I
have too much bitcoin? Do I have too much USD cash, too much
stocks, too much on a poker site, too much on a Shenanigan's app
poker site? Is that eighty percent of my net? Does that need to
be on a poker site. I know at points in my past when I
was like younger and a little crazier, that was a reality. And that's
obviously now when you look at that, you're like, wow, that's that
is suicide. Basically, Well, happy Father's Dina. You're on the bubble
here. You got a little bit of chips, So good luck and I
hope you can run this one up. That is a great way to say
it. That is very nice, and that is a very nice way to
say it. Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to talk to all
Right. That was mister Mike on good stuff there. You know, it's
good to hear that side of things, that that take on things. After
I spoke to him, Yeah, the bubble burst in the eight hundred deep
stack and he was in the money, so I mean, he's just he's
got a cash. Mike kind is just made of money, okay these days
Okay, Um, next, we've got Nick Schulman grabbed him during the very
end of the break in the PPC. And you know, just whether it's
playing high roller poker tournaments, playing high stakes cash games, you know,
doing commentary for us, there is there's a lot of stuff going on in
his life work wise, but also you know, young daughter at home,
and how does he kind of, you know, like all these guys approach
that balance of life life and being a poker player and being a parent.
Nick, I want to know how you balance you know, playing high roller
tournaments, playing cash games, golf and being a father and just that work
life family balance. I just do you know, I just uh, I
really don't know how to answer that question. It's a great question. But
you know, I mean, outside of those things you just mentioned, I'm
pretty much just home, you know, man, I wish I had a
better answer. I'm honestly do you in you know, nowadays being a father,
do you kind of is your schedule you know, completely dictated by you
know, your daughter and how you know, what she has on school,
et cetera. Stuff like that for the most part, outside of something like
the series or you know, designated tournaments. But that's definitely why I've kind
of ended up as pretty much just a tournament player now for a few years,
to keep that schedule with the family and just be solid. I love
to take her to school, you know, all the all the kind of
classics like that dinner, you know, a lot of other poker players in
this event right now, with children, what's your one piece of advice you
could give to a poker player that's, you know, on the verge of
signing a family, try your very best to you know, have a as
much of a separation as you can and kind of a cliches like that,
and don't put any bad runs on your kids, you know, all right,
Last, but certainly not least here mister Jeremy Osmas. And the reason
I saved him for the last because he tweeted out something this morning, a
little letter from his daughter, and I actually want to read it real quick.
I thought this was a fake letter. Well, we're going to get
to that interview bit. Basically, happy Father's Day. I love you so
much. You're the best that I've ever had and the only, no,
seriously, you're the best that I could ever wish for. You were kind,
loving, helpful, handsome, strong, you big muscle, was smart,
hard working, very cool, and you're very caring. Now, this
is the bit I really wanted to talk about, except four when you strangled
me above the toilet like Darth Vader when I was five. But other than
that, you are I think it's as awesome as dad in the world.
And that's from his daughter. And I asked him a couple of questions and
then we lead on and he kind of explains that letter, and you know,
is it really truthful or is it a little fabrication from his daughter?
Persually happy father say to a fellow dad, I want to know how you
approach fatherhood while trying to be a professional poker player. Um, schedules help,
you know, not playing through the night, and then you just have
to, you know, make some sacrifices to your poker career for your family,
you know, and be around for the sporting events and all the school
plays and things like that. So just a balancing act. I've been able
to do it pretty well over the years. So I've been fortunate there having
two young young kids. Do they kind of understand what you're doing and also
like kind of amounts of money you're playing for? Yeah, yeah, they
because they watch the streams. Sometimes they don't really fully get poker, but
they know that i'man you know, a poker player and play the big sakes
and them on TV and all that stuff, and they think it's cool talk
about sacrifices and like obviously there's plenty of places to play poking nowadays, but
how much of does you know your family have any influencing deciding to go,
say the seminole or a trying or something like yeah. Sure. So I
don't go overseas a lot because of because of the family. I try not
to be gone for over two weeks at a time, and I only do
that like three or four times, three times a year, maybe something like
that. So I went out of the country once last year, I mean,
not counting Bahamas. So I usually just go to there's so much in
Vegas now, I pick that and then go to Florida. Usually. Final
question here, I think everyone's dying to know this, but did you really
choke your son over the toilet like Darth Vader? Or was he just messing
with you? No? That's my daughters. She has some weird stories from
her childhood that I don't know where she gets them, and I tell her,
like the memory is a weird thing, like you think you remember things,
it's not. She has another one that I gave her a knife on
the a butcher knife on the counter when she was like three years old,
and then I just left the room and said to see you later, she
swears the app and she was like two or three am. It's just it's
these stories are hilarious, they're funny to hear in person. Actually good.
I guess my question to you coming out of that endview is are you gonna
be calling child services? Nah? Okay, but I believe him. I
believe that he that the daughter is lying and that Jeremy did not darth vader
her over the toilet. Good. There was there was a post in I
think it was our community Facebook group about I don't know, somebody had a
cell phone video they were driving down the street and there was a girl or
a young girl, like a kid, riding a bike. She had an
umbrella on because it was raining the other day. Um, and I think
she was like kind of started in the street and then she got up on
the sidewalk or whatever. But she was super young. I mean, she
was probably like five to eight years old, so I don't even know.
Um. But anyway, this person posted the video and was like, you
know, your kids shouldn't be out here like this and this whole thing and
yeada, yeah, yeahda, and it just turned into this whole thing.
I was doing way worse ship than just riding a bike down the road in
the rain when I was like five years old. So I don't know,
I just I generally think, you know, everyone is just pretty soft these
days. Mind you. This guy is driving while filming, which is illegal.
Okay, pal, Yeah, let's I mean, the whole thing is
just come on. Do you ever get into like these next door groups or
these like Facebook community groups. I mean it is just absolute hell. Yeah,
absolute hell. We have a new one for the community I moved into,
and it's it's it's very dormant, you know, not everyone just yeah,
just the Karen's gotta get set up. They gotta set up their computers
and then it's got to fire stuff off. Yeah, that's how they are.
I kind of enjoy the train wreak sometimes, but um, all right,
so what else are we doing on this podcast? I promise the people
the listeners, Oh yeah, we would have a family part if I have
one. I'm hoping you have one. I don't have one. I'm ready
to go go ahead. Is my son's seventh birthday this week, and we
had his feeling. His son was like twelve. I don't even know why.
That's my daughter, My daughter's fourteen but seven, and we went to
one of those like trampoline parks called Explode. I think it's called Explode.
He had a bunch of kids. He not the best name, but I
was very like, I wouldn't want to send my kids somewhere where he could
possibly explode, you know, I mean just that just it's definitely got an
X because he said, let's go, We're going to the big x X
explode zone. Yeah, that's anyway We're going to explodes. And I was
just the first thing I was thinking was I hope I don't explode zone my
acl jumping on trampolines, to be honest, because I'm old, and that
would be not you're pretty safe jumping on trampolines. But yeah, he had
four friends. I was chasing his friends around, were playing dodge ball.
It was me unto four seven year old crazy kid. I hope you punished
the hello. I hit them in the head multiplied, so you have to,
like, you have to give give some back, So I no,
you don't. I got him. I got each of them once in the
head. I got him in the chest. I knocked Caleb to the ground,
pushed some of them over and then I let them all get me.
I like fell to the ground. They were just slamming with balls. But
I just want to say I was We were jumping for like only forty minutes
before like the cake and the pizza came and stuff. I felt like I
just ran like twelve months. I was dressing sweat, I was puffing and
puffing. I was exhausted, and I was thinking I was there with um,
you know, one of our friends, Ben Ludlow, he was,
you know, along for the for the jump of fun, and we were
like for the jump of thn that explodes zone. I wish we had this
when we were kids. I would have been there of my life. I
mean, yeah, we had one kind of close to us when I was
like in high school, but I never never went. I think I went
once to like pick up my brother, but that was it. Yeah,
it was fun. But I had a lot of fun and stead of him,
Well that's good. That's all that matters. Yeah, the kids having
fun. I don't. I don't have anything anything good for a Father's Day.
Any presents this morning. Nothing. No. I got a card and
like a little drawing thing, which is great. And that's the end of
that movie. I'm just hell no, I made my wife went to work
and I watched the kid on three hours asleep, which was fucking torture.
What do you want me to say? Well, happy Father's Day to you.
Yeah, that's fucking's great. It's just like any other day in my
life. Um. So yeah, it's funny. My wife is always like,
what do you want for a Father's Day? What do you want for
your birthday? I don't want anything. It's just another day to just move
on and keep it, keep it trucking. Yeah, we don't need nothing.
I wanted two donnuts on a coffee. That's what I got, and
that's pretty happy with that. So there you go. Yeah, um,
all right, I don't think we have anything else to talk about on this
episode of the Poker Girl podcast. That really was absolutely nothing about poker.
That said, we did talk to a lot of poker people, yeah,
about being dads to celebrate Father's Day. So that was a cool thing.
This was all Tim Tim's idea. I am happy to give it to him.
If it sucked, you guys can blame him. If it was great,
he can take all the credit. Not a big deal, but it
was fun to listen to all the stuff that those guys had to say fun
to kind of like you know, jointly. It's it's kind of weird,
how like now all these guys you you know, you came up covering and
you know, you know, and you build you know, somewhat relationships with
over the years just because you see everyone blah blah blah. And now the
conversations are now that we're all dads. Oh as your kids doing this?
Is that like that's what it's about, you know. So and I guess
we should give a shout out to Jason Coombs. Him and his wife Bianca
welcomed a second baby boy, either what last night or yesterday or whatever.
M Cole I believe is the name that they're going with, Cole coon U.
So yeah, so yeah, that's what we got here. All right,
that's gonna do it for us on this episode. Um, next thing
in your feed will be more of a normal Poker Girl podcast episode, but
we appreciate you guys tuning in here for Tim's little special edition Poker Girl podcast.
It was fun and you'll hear from us pretty soon.