1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:14,759 It's done. Hello everyone, welcome back to another edition of the Poker Go 2 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,600 Podcast. I have exactly no idea what the heck this podcast is going to 3 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,359 be about. This is Tim's idea. He's laughing over there. I come 4 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:26,039 in today. He starts telling me about this idea. It's Father's Day. 5 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,600 He's interviewing all these people who are dad's. He didn't interview with me because 6 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,439 he's a real ass hat. And yeah, I don't know, so please 7 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:38,320 explain to the people exactly what we're doing here. I want to preface this 8 00:00:38,359 --> 00:00:40,960 by saying, I didn't think you were coming in today. You had a 9 00:00:41,039 --> 00:00:44,240 light stream lost I did. We didn't get done until three a m. 10 00:00:44,359 --> 00:00:47,159 Or something like that. It was Father's Day. I thought you were going 11 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:52,280 to spend time at harm with the missus, the little baby, and then 12 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,320 he said, no, I'm on my way in about five o'clock. So 13 00:00:54,359 --> 00:00:57,119 I was gonna do this solo. I was going to freak out. But 14 00:00:57,479 --> 00:01:00,880 my plan was it's Father's Day. There's a lot of dad's here at the 15 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,840 World Series of Poker, and I thought, let's just talk to the dads. 16 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:07,519 I'm not going to ask him about you know, how to play aces? 17 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,560 And all that kind of rubbish. We're gonna talk to him about family, 18 00:01:11,159 --> 00:01:14,200 you know, being a dad, being a husband, all that kind 19 00:01:14,239 --> 00:01:17,079 of stuff. So I just went round the room. I went to the 20 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,599 PPC, I went to through the monster stack, I went through some of 21 00:01:19,599 --> 00:01:23,200 our staff members even and just you know, asked him a few different questions 22 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:30,159 about being a father, fatherhood, how they're live lives when they're playing poker 23 00:01:30,239 --> 00:01:34,159 and and trying to be a father. You know, mingle, who did 24 00:01:34,159 --> 00:01:38,040 you talk to? Who talked to? You know, our Lord and Savior 25 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,640 carry cats, our Lord and Savior. I'm gonna make this stick. I'm 26 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,120 really going to try, really have to make this stick. Not the Lord 27 00:01:44,159 --> 00:01:47,159 and say I like the Lord and Savior. I'm not religious, so no 28 00:01:47,359 --> 00:01:51,280 like doing Lord and Savior. Popular President Marius Condani. You know he's also 29 00:01:52,079 --> 00:01:56,319 well actually both him and carry have grandchildren. Um, some of you might 30 00:01:56,319 --> 00:02:00,319 not know that about Kerry. Actually he has five grandchildren. Would you guess 31 00:02:00,359 --> 00:02:04,879 that it's a lot? Um? No, I mean it's a lot. 32 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,680 I knew he had some grandchildren. I didn't think it was five. Yeah. 33 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:13,080 Talk to Brent Hanks, he has three kids of his own. I 34 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,599 mean, Brent could be a grandpa. Yeah, I'm concerned. I talked 35 00:02:15,599 --> 00:02:21,039 to Tony Burns, Okay has two daughters being in the industry, So that's 36 00:02:21,039 --> 00:02:23,960 basically, you know three people that were industry obviously carries a bit of a 37 00:02:23,039 --> 00:02:29,599 businessman slash poker player. Uh. I talked to Jack Appel from WSP. 38 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:35,439 He's actually the first interview I did today. Um, and then a plethora. 39 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,479 I know you love that word of bracelet witness Sean Deep, Josh, 40 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:44,599 you said preface earlier, then you said plethora. I'm the earlier. You're 41 00:02:44,599 --> 00:02:49,800 sending to me quotes from people that have the word ton spelled t o nny. 42 00:02:49,879 --> 00:02:53,439 You've been in America more than a lot of America. I guess still 43 00:02:53,479 --> 00:02:55,759 some Australian words anyway, Sean Deep, Josh r A John Manette, Nick 44 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:01,240 Schulman, Jeremy Osmus, and I talked to Brian the Icon Macon A little 45 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:07,520 twist to that interview. You'll hear that, and yeah, that's how I 46 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,759 kind of spoke to. So are we just like throwing into these interviews. 47 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,520 Let's introduce it. We're gonna say, say I want to say something about 48 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,439 some people, and we'll throw the interview be a quick episode because we're gonna 49 00:03:16,479 --> 00:03:20,319 do a double We're gonna come back a little later and bang another one out. 50 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,080 I just want just quickly to let people know what's happening this summer is 51 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:30,840 that we brought our good friend podcast producer Rich Ryan aboard so that we can 52 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,719 record here in Vegas. We figure it's going to be late at night because 53 00:03:34,759 --> 00:03:38,159 that's what we've been doing in past years. And then normally it would be 54 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,960 me, you know, editing them, putting them up on the feed. 55 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,080 I kind of know, like the absolute bare bones editing. You know. 56 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:46,719 I can put the introm music in, I can put the outrem music in. 57 00:03:47,039 --> 00:03:50,520 I can do some cuts here and there, you know whatever, nothing 58 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,120 too snazzy. Rich is much better. He makes us sound much better. 59 00:03:53,919 --> 00:03:58,879 He can do some magic, all that sort of stuff. It's just past 60 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,159 midnight here in Vegas. He's asleep. We just dumped the files in a 61 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,840 drive. He gets up in the morning, he puts them up on the 62 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:09,520 website while her in the feed while we're sleeping. Okay, I can't wait 63 00:04:09,599 --> 00:04:13,879 till he wakes up and see the nonsense that you have when the heat transitions 64 00:04:13,919 --> 00:04:18,480 between each interview. I want the best wsp slash poker goo related sound effects 65 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,360 that he can come up with. I mean it has to be like the 66 00:04:21,439 --> 00:04:26,199 twang twang. I want the twang and he can use multiple versions of the 67 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:30,319 twang or the chip shuffles whatever. But and then we're gonna finish with a 68 00:04:30,319 --> 00:04:32,720 little family part, you and me. I hope you have something I don't. 69 00:04:32,759 --> 00:04:35,000 It's been Father's that you gotta have something. I don't have anything. 70 00:04:35,759 --> 00:04:40,800 I don't know anything. Man. First up, her president Maries Candani. 71 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,920 I talked to him about, you know, being a parent and a grandfather, 72 00:04:45,639 --> 00:04:48,199 both as a professional poker player and you know in the industry working with 73 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,560 us and behind the scenes, you know, production and you know. I 74 00:04:51,959 --> 00:04:55,920 him. I also asked him give give us a piece of advice. I'm 75 00:04:55,959 --> 00:04:59,839 being a being a parent. First of all, Happy Father's Day to you, 76 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,360 Honda. With you two, as someone that's been in this industry for 77 00:05:02,399 --> 00:05:05,439 a long time, where the busiest time of the year is the summer when 78 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:10,240 your kids and grandkids are off, how do you balance being a father a 79 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,319 grandfather with you know, your kids and grandkids. I send them away, 80 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,040 I sent them know I it's you know, I try to spend time with 81 00:05:17,079 --> 00:05:19,759 them in the mornings. I mean, this is usually like more of an 82 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:25,959 afternoon thing. So it makes some days be really long. You know, 83 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,439 you're here until one or two am, and then kids expecting to have breakfast 84 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,319 with you at eight. You know, you're just just going to do it. 85 00:05:31,519 --> 00:05:35,360 So you'll have a few really long days. But it's worth it. 86 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,439 It's not you know, a lot of times they also take a vacation. 87 00:05:39,519 --> 00:05:43,040 They're not even here, you know, the biggest gets really hot. They 88 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,160 move on going, you know, to Oregon. They have a place there 89 00:05:46,199 --> 00:05:49,040 they go to. But when they're here, I spend time with them. 90 00:05:49,079 --> 00:05:51,759 I see them every other day, but all in the mornings, all like 91 00:05:51,759 --> 00:05:56,879 a couple of hours. Whether you're a poker player or you know, you're 92 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,199 work on the production side throughout the year, do you find you know the 93 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,839 time to you know, to balance that work balance those kids, Like, 94 00:06:04,879 --> 00:06:08,240 did I understand it? Hey, there's times where I'm kind of going to 95 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,120 be gone or what I'm actually not doing a very good job. I mean 96 00:06:12,079 --> 00:06:15,399 when I was just playing poker, when it was just purely playing poker for 97 00:06:15,439 --> 00:06:20,120 a living, it was a little bit easier because I could I could basically 98 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,959 set my own time at any time. It didn't matter, you know, 99 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,839 it could be in the middle of the busiest time or and usually when I 100 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,120 picked the time, it was not weekends, so we could like go do 101 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,800 things, not standing lines. If you're going to Disney, Man, it 102 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,360 would have been like in the middle of the week and things like that because 103 00:06:36,399 --> 00:06:41,920 I could do it. But now it's a little different, and I can't 104 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,360 say that I have a formula for it. I don't think I'm doing a 105 00:06:44,439 --> 00:06:49,199 very good job with it. But I still try my hardest to spend time 106 00:06:49,199 --> 00:06:54,079 with grand kids for sure, at least twice a week at least, whether 107 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:59,120 we're playing three holes of golf or going to dinner or something like that. 108 00:06:59,199 --> 00:07:01,160 So you'll find fine, you're to give one piece of advice, so or 109 00:07:01,199 --> 00:07:10,560 the poker playing fathers out there, what would it be, Well, your 110 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:14,360 kids most likely are never going to understand exactly what this is that you do 111 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,839 for a living, and very good chance they're not going to be doing what 112 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:23,879 you do for a living. So it's not you know, it's I don't 113 00:07:23,879 --> 00:07:27,199 know if it is. The best advice I can give them is tell the 114 00:07:27,279 --> 00:07:31,439 kids, explain to them, this is not gambling. Make sure they understand 115 00:07:31,639 --> 00:07:35,959 that there's a big difference between poker and gambling, and explain to them why 116 00:07:36,639 --> 00:07:41,800 there is nothing wrong with you teaching your kids how to play the game, 117 00:07:41,879 --> 00:07:46,120 because the least thing that can come out of it is good for their math. 118 00:07:46,319 --> 00:07:48,279 They will understand the mathematic part of it, the probability part of it, 119 00:07:48,319 --> 00:07:51,160 and all that, even if they don't understand the psychological part of it, 120 00:07:51,319 --> 00:07:55,639 which is fine. Yeah, a lot of fathers usually, you know, 121 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:00,680 at least when I was coming along in the pro world, they weren't 122 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:05,319 really easy to let their kids see them playing, you know, shuffling money 123 00:08:05,319 --> 00:08:09,759 around and all that, and they were afraid the kids will take that interpreted 124 00:08:09,759 --> 00:08:13,519 as gambling and apply to places that he's not supposed to. So I've always 125 00:08:13,519 --> 00:08:16,680 told my kids what I do. I always told him, you know, 126 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,959 how you do it. None of them had any interest to become a poker 127 00:08:18,959 --> 00:08:24,360 player whatsoever. So yeah, and my advice is be proud of what you're 128 00:08:24,399 --> 00:08:28,160 doing. Explain to them what you're doing, and if they don't, you 129 00:08:28,199 --> 00:08:31,480 know, come along. That's fine. I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't 130 00:08:31,519 --> 00:08:37,440 mind. I mean, listen, Maury Is I mean, everyone calls him 131 00:08:37,519 --> 00:08:41,320 Uncle Morey. He really is Uncle Maury. You know, he just is. 132 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,559 You know, he's always like kind of taking care of people, looking 133 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,480 out for people, all that sort of stuff. So just an all around 134 00:08:46,919 --> 00:08:52,919 great human being, great guy. I'm assuming great father, great grandfather as 135 00:08:52,919 --> 00:08:56,000 well. I know he you know, he's invited my family over at times. 136 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,480 I'm sure he's invited everyone in the company over at times. I've yet 137 00:08:58,519 --> 00:09:01,080 to take him up on it, but yeah, he has invited us over 138 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,519 at times. You know. I think it was last year, was like, 139 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,039 what are you doing for Thanksgiving? If you're not gonna go like back 140 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,519 east to visit your family, why don't you just come over at our house? 141 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,200 You know, like all that, all that sort of stuff. I 142 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,639 mean, that's just the type of guy that he is. Also his wife 143 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,919 Cathy, you know, she's always as cookies in the business, baking cookies. 144 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:20,399 But I think she like went away for like a week. He told 145 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,159 us that she's like going away somewhere for a week. Yeah, and we 146 00:09:24,159 --> 00:09:26,519 were like, well, Maury, what about the cookie exactly we need this. 147 00:09:28,519 --> 00:09:31,360 She's a baker at least a week's worth. Put him in the freezer 148 00:09:33,159 --> 00:09:35,159 and make this happen. Because we just can't go without the cookies, the 149 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,200 rice, Chrissie choas and all of that sort of stuff. Um, all 150 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,159 right, next up, who you got? We got Carrie Katz, businessman 151 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:48,000 ka player runner Brice to a potential brace that this year. You know, 152 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:52,759 he's you know, similar to more professional life, you know, in his 153 00:09:52,879 --> 00:09:56,600 industry, transitioning to poka more he's kind of the opposite away, um, 154 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:00,600 busy, busy man. And obviously we have six kids, you know, 155 00:10:00,639 --> 00:10:03,399 four or five grandchildren I think, And yeah, I just wanted to kind 156 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:09,159 of get how he approaches fatherhood as a successful businessman, and you know, 157 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,639 you can kind of say a professional poker play now these days, how do 158 00:10:11,639 --> 00:10:16,360 you balance you know, work poker and as you said, six kids and 159 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,600 potentially many more grandkids. Well, fortunately, one hundred and sixty eight hours 160 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,360 in a week, so every every hour it is pretty much accounted for. 161 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,720 Whether it's spending time with a family. I'm not spending time with a family. 162 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,799 I'm working, or I'm training, or I'm playing poker. So it's 163 00:10:35,039 --> 00:10:37,799 obviously less time with the family when I'm playing poker, especially if I'm doing 164 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,960 it well. When business was your focus, so you know, Hite a 165 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,879 while ago. How involved were you know, your children in you know, 166 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,200 decisions, were you cluing them into things or deals anything? It wasn't mainly 167 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:54,279 just you know, separating family and business. Um, well, when I 168 00:10:54,759 --> 00:10:58,159 when I started my student loan company, I was twenty nine years old, 169 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:03,440 so and I had at that point we had our fourth kid, our fourth 170 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:07,960 child, and but you know, I'd worked every night till like seven or 171 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,279 eight o'clock. So my wife did all the all the heavy lifting. I 172 00:11:11,279 --> 00:11:15,919 mean that was available on the weekends and stuff. But yeah, work was 173 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,120 work with I didn't play any pover then. It was just all work. 174 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:20,919 So nowadays, you know, probably a little bit less business, more polka. 175 00:11:22,519 --> 00:11:26,000 How do you like, do you set aside time just to see the 176 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,080 kids, see the grand kids or do you just you know, have to 177 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,360 kind of squeeze in a round your schedule. It's always time. Like because 178 00:11:33,039 --> 00:11:35,679 two of the two of the grands two of my grandkids live in the same 179 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:37,720 building I live in, so I see them every day. And then the 180 00:11:37,799 --> 00:11:43,120 other three are in California, and Jackie and I go out there about every 181 00:11:43,919 --> 00:11:46,600 two months ago so two months or so, and we take them to Disney 182 00:11:46,639 --> 00:11:50,320 Lands. So there's always there's always enough time. You can always make the 183 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,200 time. You just gotta be efficient. As you mentioned, six kids, 184 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,679 what advice would you give to, you know, whether it's a fellow businessman 185 00:11:56,759 --> 00:12:00,440 or a fellow poker player. Um on, you know, six kids, 186 00:12:00,519 --> 00:12:07,600 multiple kids, like raising raising a family. Best advice is you got to 187 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,279 like make sure your financial houses in order, or it's I couldn't even imagine 188 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:13,519 the stress levels. I mean, we were very lucky that, you know, 189 00:12:13,519 --> 00:12:16,679 the business was successful and I was able to make a lot of money, 190 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,720 and we were able to have additional support and housekeepers and things like that. 191 00:12:20,799 --> 00:12:24,759 So to me, try to make sure your financial order, your financial 192 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:28,480 house is an order before you start having children. Is that something you've kind 193 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:33,519 of spent extra time, you know, educating your children about like the importents 194 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,399 of finances and you know, patfolios, balanced portfolios, everything like that. 195 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:45,039 All um you know, and some of my kids are financially responsible and others 196 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,360 aren't. But you know, I do my best to try to, you 197 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:52,159 know, guide him in that direction. You call him a businessman, I 198 00:12:52,159 --> 00:12:54,240 feel like he's these days, is he's more of a poker player than a 199 00:12:54,279 --> 00:12:58,039 businessman. Yeah, I mean I think He's always going to have the businessman 200 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:03,639 monica. You all my dad first poker players, second businessman. Third is 201 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,679 kind of how I rank him, now, okay, yeah that makes sense. 202 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,720 I mean that's just how I put it. Um, Brent Hanks, 203 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,639 Brent Hanks grabbed him while you know, break from commentary on the two. 204 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,080 No, he knew, he knew. I see him and he was coming. 205 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,039 I said, I'll get you next break. He has no problems, 206 00:13:20,399 --> 00:13:22,919 you know, Brent's Brent's got three young boys at home. That just sounds 207 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,960 like madness being being a part of three young boys. I have two younger 208 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:31,759 brothers. I mean, it just sounds like insanity. So yeah, he's 209 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,200 God bless his wife clearing up with that one hundred percent. You know, 210 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,960 he's pretty much our age and you know, dabbled as a professional poker player. 211 00:13:39,039 --> 00:13:43,240 Now he's obviously director of programming and poker go. Um. You know, 212 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,279 times like this it's hard to see they see your kids when you're at 213 00:13:46,279 --> 00:13:48,919 the World Series every day. But you know does his best and obviously has 214 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:54,759 his fantastic wife Liz at home, you know, corraling those crazy kids. 215 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:58,799 Firstly, Happy Father's Day, Thank you, Happy fathers, say to you 216 00:13:58,879 --> 00:14:03,799 was thank you. I want to ask you, as a industry experienced, 217 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:09,279 savvy veteran, how it is you know, raising kids and working in this 218 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:15,559 industry where your hours are just sometimes it's completely crazy, really hard. And 219 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:20,159 it's not hard on me. It's harder on it's very hard on my wife, 220 00:14:20,399 --> 00:14:24,960 and she's the one that endures it all, goes through the crazy hours 221 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,960 and swings, especially at the World Series of Poker. So anyone wives out 222 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,799 there, moms that are married into this industry, they know exactly what I'm 223 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:39,639 talking about, and it's yeah, it's very difficult. Your kids are a 224 00:14:39,639 --> 00:14:43,440 little on the younger side, But what do they know understand about kind of 225 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,559 what you do for living both you know, working for Pago, but also 226 00:14:46,639 --> 00:14:50,720 when you're actually playing poke atonomous. Well, my oldest is kind of he's 227 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:54,360 starting to understand poker a little bit, what hands are, what everything means 228 00:14:54,399 --> 00:15:01,120 on the screen. My five and two year old really just think I'm like 229 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:05,120 a YouTube star. They don't. They don't really get that we're just you 230 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,679 know, we're streaming there from time to time. They hear my voice, 231 00:15:07,679 --> 00:15:11,320 they see me, you know, from time to time, and that's kind 232 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:15,759 of where they think I am. They just think I'm a TV YouTube guy. 233 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:22,519 What advice do you have, you know, maybe an aspiring poker player 234 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,679 that wants to have a family, What advice can you give them? You 235 00:15:24,679 --> 00:15:28,200 know, now that you have three kids and many years being a dad and 236 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:33,879 being in this industry, everything will change, you know, if you're if 237 00:15:33,919 --> 00:15:37,080 you're gonna have kids and you're already in poker, or say you're just starting 238 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,120 to have kids in your in poker, your life it becomes all about your 239 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,799 family and not this game. There's always going to be time for poker down 240 00:15:43,799 --> 00:15:46,720 the road. Uh. This is a lot easier for me to say than 241 00:15:48,039 --> 00:15:52,240 actually do at times, as my wife would attest to. But perspective and 242 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,480 understand that everything is more important than this game when it comes to family. 243 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,679 All right, who's next Missus Seminal himself Tony Burns, who's no longer mister 244 00:16:02,759 --> 00:16:06,120 Seminal. He's uh, well then you can't call him mister Seminal's known him? 245 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,879 Is? You know Missus Seminal to me? And so Tony Burns ran, 246 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:15,120 uh poker, I believe poker operations down at Seminal Hard Rock in Florida. 247 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:21,080 Then then he was he was actually promoted to run all of the poker 248 00:16:21,159 --> 00:16:26,279 marketing, which was like a higher position than the than the poker operations stuff. 249 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:33,000 Um. He has now since left to oversee the upstart Moneymaker Tour that 250 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:37,519 is branded, of course after Chris Moneymaker. So Tony Burns is working with 251 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:42,159 Chris Moneymaker on that endeavor right now. And you caught up with him about 252 00:16:42,679 --> 00:16:48,000 being a dad. Tony went from many years working as Seminal to now on 253 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:52,679 the money Maker Poker Tour and traveling. How does that affect you know, 254 00:16:52,759 --> 00:16:56,960 having two little girls at home and making the decision to lead from Seminal to 255 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,639 the Moneymaker. Well, this is my first Father's day away from them, 256 00:17:00,679 --> 00:17:03,440 so you know it was a bit emotional this morning, you know, being 257 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,160 in a different time zone and waking up to a message from my youngest and 258 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:12,720 in a homemade card from home. Um. You know it's um, this 259 00:17:12,759 --> 00:17:18,000 opportunity with Chris is an opportunity to provide for my family in a UM. 260 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,680 You know, the Seminals were great for me for the eight years, so 261 00:17:22,279 --> 00:17:26,599 UM terrific company left great terms. Still have a lot of love for the 262 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,839 brand and all the people back there. Um, but you know this opportunity 263 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,440 with Chris, like I said, is just something I looked at, um 264 00:17:33,839 --> 00:17:37,799 to get in on the ground floor and provide something even potentially bigger for my 265 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,160 family and my daughters. Um. You know they're ten and eight. Um, 266 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,799 So this was um, you know, it was a leap of faith. 267 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,240 But going to work for for Chris and being able to build something um 268 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,359 with Chris is something that I'm really excited about. And you know things are 269 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:57,559 off and running in in a good uh, in a good way. Being 270 00:17:57,599 --> 00:18:02,400 part of the pok industry for many years now, so it's a deal. 271 00:18:02,559 --> 00:18:04,839 Is let's a full stuff that obviously have kids that travel, What advice would 272 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,599 you give to to you know, people that are traveling with kids and stuff 273 00:18:07,599 --> 00:18:11,319 like that. I think I'm the one looking for the advice. You know. 274 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:12,680 This is my first job that I've ever had traveling. I think the 275 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:17,839 biggest thing I'm trying to do is just keeping in touch with them. Um. 276 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,200 You know, when I was growing up, you know, in a 277 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:25,119 split family, I remember writing letters to my mother, you know, and 278 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,480 and having to wait for something to come you know, via the post office, 279 00:18:29,599 --> 00:18:33,240 right, and you know, then emails came about and now we live 280 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:37,640 in the world of FaceTime. We have so much technology out there. Just 281 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,200 utilizing the technology and keeping in touch. Um. I try to reach out 282 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:42,759 to them first thing in the morning, before I start, and then you 283 00:18:42,759 --> 00:18:45,680 know, I try to reach out to them before they go to bed. 284 00:18:45,079 --> 00:18:48,640 Obviously the time zones make it a little bit of fun, but um, 285 00:18:49,039 --> 00:18:52,079 you know, that's the biggest thing I try to do, is just stay 286 00:18:52,079 --> 00:18:56,079 in touch with them every day and and see them and you know, interact 287 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,279 as I would if I was there, all right. Next up, who 288 00:18:59,279 --> 00:19:03,559 we got the top dog of the WSP. Oh, the scariest man in 289 00:19:03,599 --> 00:19:07,400 the industry. Jack scary. Just on people, come on, he's a 290 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,920 little scared. I mean maybe if you're William Kasu if he's scared. Yeah, 291 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,920 you know. Jack's interesting. He's obviously logging long hours like we are. 292 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,559 And he actually, you know, in a way references WSP is kind 293 00:19:19,559 --> 00:19:22,480 of being one of these children as well. So that was I've never really 294 00:19:22,559 --> 00:19:25,680 kind of thought of it that way from his respective, but he kind of 295 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,880 elaborates on that and and the time he gets to spend with his kids at 296 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:32,079 home and yeah, or lack thereof God, lack thereof correct, Yes, 297 00:19:33,039 --> 00:19:37,799 as a father work in the World Series where you're here nearly twenty four seven, 298 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:41,240 how do you balance home life and work life. I have a great 299 00:19:41,279 --> 00:19:45,160 wife. I mean, it's very understanding that's been with me since I've been 300 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,000 doing this, so you know, she kind of understands the uh, the 301 00:19:48,079 --> 00:19:52,160 mass chaos that you know happens at the World Series, and you know kind 302 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,400 of what it takes to organize this this monster and to kind of keep it 303 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,279 going. And you know, look, it's also kind of one of our 304 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:04,000 children. So being Father's Day, it's kind of my baby and something that 305 00:20:04,079 --> 00:20:08,240 we're we're all kind of responsible for taking care of, right the same as 306 00:20:08,519 --> 00:20:12,960 you would feeding it, bathing it, clothing it, and making sure that 307 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,599 nothing happens to it so it doesn't get hurt. So I guess, you 308 00:20:17,599 --> 00:20:19,839 know, and long and short, it's it's one of our kids. I 309 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,400 tell my wife and kids that, you know, catch me July eighteenth, 310 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,400 and I'll be a dad again. Are you the same? Yode chimes squeeze 311 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,480 in family time during the World Series, So you know, it's interesting. 312 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,400 You know, I have a very you know, dynamic home life, you 313 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,359 know, and my kids. I try to see them when I can. 314 00:20:37,839 --> 00:20:41,160 They also understand because they've grown up, you know, with me doing this, 315 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,079 so they they get it. But they like to see me too, 316 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,480 and I like to see them, so you know, it's it's kind of 317 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,759 a balance. So during the WSOP, like we're all hanging out for hours 318 00:20:51,759 --> 00:20:55,119 and hours and hours, but they definitely see me kind of coming and going 319 00:20:55,519 --> 00:21:00,400 from time to time. Alrighty, that was mister jack ffel If he's vice 320 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,160 president of the I think is title. Yeah, yeah, I believe so 321 00:21:04,279 --> 00:21:07,039 he's very important. Let's I mean, of course he's very important. Yeah. 322 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,559 Um. Next up, I see Sean deeb Sean. Yeah, got 323 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,559 him in the Break of the fifty KPBC while he was playing the online event. 324 00:21:15,279 --> 00:21:18,480 Um, I hope you didn't help him with any hands, you know, 325 00:21:18,519 --> 00:21:21,559 it's the whole He would should not listen to me. If if I 326 00:21:21,599 --> 00:21:23,559 did, he should ignore whatever I said. I hope he raised the pace 327 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,720 nine and you were just losing your mind. That's definitely a fault. Um. 328 00:21:26,759 --> 00:21:30,359 But yeah, I talked to Sean because obviously he is all in on 329 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,240 the World Series of Poker, you know, playing every day, all hours 330 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,400 of the day. And then outside of that, he you know, he 331 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,480 could easily be on the tour playing everything, but you know, opos for 332 00:21:38,519 --> 00:21:42,039 that dad life, and I think that's an interesting approach for, you know, 333 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,839 someone that's probably regarded as one of the best play poker players in the 334 00:21:45,839 --> 00:21:51,759 world. Sean, I want to know how you approach fatherhood while trying to 335 00:21:51,759 --> 00:21:55,400 be a professional poker player. You know, I just try to instill my 336 00:21:55,519 --> 00:21:59,720 kids, you know, this is not gambling. I have an edge. 337 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,559 You know. We're trying to kind of hide how much money I win or 338 00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:04,000 lose. We tell them a lot of the time they watched me on a 339 00:22:04,039 --> 00:22:07,880 stream cash game that it's turnment chips, so they don't see real dollar value. 340 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,039 When I see, oh, we want a Pilo term for a million 341 00:22:11,079 --> 00:22:11,839 dollars, we tell them, no, it's not that much. Like, 342 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:18,839 you know, we really try to keep them protected from I don't know, 343 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,920 getting the wrong idea of my lifestyle and stuff. But yeah, it's it's 344 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,880 really tough. Obviously, I stay home a lot of the time for that 345 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,759 reason, because you know, you can't be on the road twenty four seven. 346 00:22:29,799 --> 00:22:33,640 I'm not twenty years old anymore. So it's it's not easy. But 347 00:22:33,759 --> 00:22:37,599 me and my wife do I think do a great job. She carries the 348 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,440 torch when I'm in Vegas for these you know, seven weeks, and yeah, 349 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,079 it's just crazy here and the when you're sick and this and that, 350 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,559 there's so much stuff going on at home and I'm just focused on you know, 351 00:22:47,599 --> 00:22:49,640 player of the Year in bracelets and poker. So yeah, to touch 352 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,480 on that, you're here every day, you're playing every day, every event 353 00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:56,599 nearly, but then outside of that, you don't really play that much. 354 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:02,519 Now is that a pure like family choice. Oh yeah, it's definitely. 355 00:23:02,599 --> 00:23:04,400 You know, me and my wife know that if I go to a term 356 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,920 and stop or a cash game trip or whatever, I got to be playing 357 00:23:08,319 --> 00:23:11,759 a lot of volume and reasonable high stakes to justify being away from my family. 358 00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:15,160 Like I have a you know, mental amount in my head where if 359 00:23:15,079 --> 00:23:18,440 I don't think I'm gonna make X number of dollars on a trip, I'm 360 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:19,960 just not going to go. So that's why I tend to, you know, 361 00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:23,599 grind really hard when I'm somewhere because I'm gonna away from my family, 362 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,359 I'm gonna put in as much volume and try to make as much money and 363 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,839 get as much eavy as possible. So for me, it's extra motivation because 364 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,039 I know when I go home there's very little poker. So when I'm somewhere 365 00:23:36,039 --> 00:23:38,920 I can play poker and they're not here, I wake up, I can't 366 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,720 wait to go. It makes it so much easier to grind, and it's 367 00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:45,119 extra motivation, as if I needed more. So, Yeah, it's been 368 00:23:45,839 --> 00:23:48,680 knowing the support behind, you know, knowing when they're watching a stream. 369 00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:52,599 It's great And I hope my kids don't get into poker, but I know 370 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,480 my youngest is itching already at six years old. If you were to get 371 00:23:56,519 --> 00:24:00,440 one piece of advice to fellow players with kids, what would it be. 372 00:24:03,799 --> 00:24:07,480 I think, depending on what sleep schedule you're on, I think you and 373 00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:12,799 your wife or husband whatever, should consider separate bedrooms. I definitely think my 374 00:24:12,839 --> 00:24:17,920 wife's a very light sleeper. I'm a very heavy sleeper, so I think 375 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,039 whenever I'm like running online all night or fly in from a trip, I 376 00:24:21,079 --> 00:24:22,720 don't want to make her day harder by waking up from middle of the night. 377 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:26,440 So that's been very beneficial for us that sometimes the nights we do it. 378 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:33,119 So yeah, just like recognizing how your schedule interacts with the routine of 379 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,559 your family and trying to make it as smooth as possible for your kids and 380 00:24:37,599 --> 00:24:41,920 your wife. All right, who's next on your list? Sir Lucos. 381 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,039 Shawan's friend, Josh Area, another Price of winner from this year, grabbed 382 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:51,279 him as he actually sat down in the PPC early today. I think Josh's 383 00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:55,079 kids are a little bit olda I recall. But he's also similar to Sean 384 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,200 where he's kind of pulling on you know, the World Series or you know, 385 00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:03,359 picking a series here and there, and outside of that, he's he's 386 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,640 kind of a dad and just seeing how you know, that affects how he 387 00:25:07,759 --> 00:25:11,440 raises the children and how his you know, choice of lifestyle. Being a 388 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,240 professional poker player kind of you know, works in that regard. How do 389 00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:21,759 you balance playing poker and being a father. Oh, I'm not good at 390 00:25:21,759 --> 00:25:25,119 it because I'm either just a father or just poker. I don't play. 391 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:29,200 The only time I play pokers during the World Series and then that PLO series. 392 00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:32,920 But I'm not doing a good job. My kids are at home and 393 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,160 I'm here working. But the rest of the year, I'm there's whenever they 394 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,119 need me, So hopefully they they're okay with me being gone for a month 395 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,440 out of the year to be with them for eleven months. Do they understand 396 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,000 like what you're doing here and then you know kind of what you do as 397 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,440 your day jogging away. Yeah, they totally get it. They're huge fans. 398 00:25:51,559 --> 00:25:55,440 Like they they're so happy when I do good and they check on me, 399 00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:59,160 and yeah, they get it. They know it's about who you got 400 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:04,319 next. I got happy John happy. Well, like we said on the 401 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:10,079 recent podcast, pokers is trying to calm family man John. I think I 402 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,440 like family man John. I know. I mean it fits for what we're 403 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,640 doing right now. Yeah, it does it. But he's very fitting. 404 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,200 He's angry John. He will always be angry John. And he looked very 405 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,160 much like angry John when we went over there to the PPC today. So 406 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,000 well, yeah I spoke to John. Was he angry? He was not 407 00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:30,480 angry. And you know he's obviously full time poker player. You know his 408 00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:33,559 wife Diana, who used to work with us at home with the kids, 409 00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:37,519 and he's very much he can tell that he's you know, very family orientated. 410 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:44,119 Um in a way, just trying to provide for the kiddos. John. 411 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:45,079 I just want to know, you know, as a professional poker player, 412 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,599 how do you balance life playing Bracelet Advance and playing cash games and then 413 00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:53,079 two kids at time and a wife. I think I've done a pretty good 414 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,920 job. Like nonspe time because I'm able to pokers is pretty flexible if you 415 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,599 want it to be. And I'm lucky. I'm only work in a couple 416 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,400 days a week now, so I could spend a ton of time with the 417 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,519 kids. I don't be a dad and a husband, so I enjoy that. 418 00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:08,000 I think that's cool. It's super hard, though, because like you 419 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,079 just hear all day every day, you know, and so any bits and 420 00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:14,279 pieces of time and that you get, I try to enjoy with the family. 421 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:15,880 So I got to spend a few hours with him this morning with dynamic 422 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,960 kids and it was great. So like just trying to do what I can. 423 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,920 All right, next up, who are we going? With only a 424 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,279 few left? I think a couple of more left. I'm putting Brian Mike 425 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,240 on here. Now, Okay, if you've been listening and you haven't got 426 00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:34,279 bored of my thriller dance myself. In my interviews, I basically asked, 427 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,599 you know, how do you balance life as a poker player and parenthood? 428 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,160 Now, Brian, see even a poker player anya the thing, Brian, 429 00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:44,519 I don't really think it is a full time poker player. But so I 430 00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:47,400 wanted to go different route with him, and I went down the financial route. 431 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,480 You know, we heard like Carrie touch on a little bit about finance, 432 00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:53,359 and Brian's obviously big crypto guy, and I wanted to know, I 433 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,319 think his daughter is, you know, ten or twelve or something, how 434 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:03,319 he approaches that topic as a dad, you know, educating his daughter on 435 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:08,039 money, educating his daughter on you know, crypto, another way to invest 436 00:28:08,079 --> 00:28:12,640 and you know, set herself up and themselves up for life. Um. 437 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,519 And also like what do they how like openly and freely do they actually talk 438 00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:22,880 about money because I don't think you know, that's often discussed in a world 439 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,839 like this, where you know, money is such a big thing. Um. 440 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,160 So I wanted to get his take on that more than just balancing poker 441 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,960 and parenthood. Brian. Here, we're on the bubble right now, and 442 00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:36,920 I've been asking a lot of fathers, you know, how they balance work, 443 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,400 life, poker and kids. But you know, you don't play that 444 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,960 much anymore. So I want to actually ask you more about the finance side 445 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,799 of being a father, and in particular, crypto and I want to know, 446 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,640 you know, obviously you have, you know, a daughter, and 447 00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:53,960 how how much do you educate her about crypto and finance and stuff like that. 448 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,640 Yeah, it's a great question. Really, thank you for asking it. 449 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:03,160 Um. I talk very freely about finance and like what thinks how much 450 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,880 things are with my ten year old daughter, and we talk about from the 451 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,839 time she was very young, about there's this much percent chance that this would 452 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,759 happen, and just sort of how I think about, you know the world. 453 00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:18,359 And we're looking for a house in Antigua right now, placed a couple 454 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:19,359 of bids. She asked how much they are. I just tell her, 455 00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:23,720 And I think it's really good for a kid just to have an honest, 456 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:30,200 you know, conversation, honest and open conversation about finances. It's like there's 457 00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:33,720 it's on some rich dad, poor dad stuff to have your daughter have a 458 00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:38,720 really good grant upon what is out there. We talk about bitcoin a lot, 459 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,920 we talk about other she had some We gave her tokens at one point 460 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,720 on one of the other chains on the bitcoin cash chain. We gave her 461 00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:51,160 tokens Mike on family tokens, and she had to have a wallet and she 462 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,319 kept her seat in a secret place. And so I think it's really important 463 00:29:53,319 --> 00:29:56,920 to educate the young about crypto. I think it's the future. A lot 464 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:02,160 of people know that that have seen any m fee. They know I'm a 465 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,400 big crypto proponent, and so I think, of course I would teach my 466 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,759 kid everything I know about it and prepare her for the future. Do you 467 00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:11,119 and you and your pant openly discuss, you know, how much you have 468 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,920 of something or do you think that's not really the time and place right now? 469 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,039 Yeah, so our kids ten, and we don't tell her like you 470 00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:21,319 know, and also a lot of our you know, we have a lot 471 00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:26,400 of frog pictures is a reasonable size you know, line item there. So 472 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,839 so a lot of some of the art that we have is very liquid, 473 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,000 so it's difficult to value anyway, and you know, it swings rapidly. 474 00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:37,119 And then uh do we We don't really tell the daughter the exact amount of 475 00:30:37,119 --> 00:30:41,759 total crypto assets, nothing like that. But she has some general questions and 476 00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:45,680 like I think that we answer them as we decide for her age appropriateness and 477 00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:49,279 like how much things cost. I think it is much more important than like 478 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:55,480 how much family KNT it has and just like this business like McDonald's cost one 479 00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:59,119 point five million for the franchise in some areas, Like little things like that, 480 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,200 I think are more portant than my total net of a family. If 481 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,839 we go forward, were looking maybe you know, eight years, ten years 482 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,279 time, when your daughters older, she's off a college or doing whatever she 483 00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:11,519 wants. Do you think we can see you back here playing you know, 484 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,720 not just the World Series, but you know, potentially around the world. 485 00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:17,319 Yeah, I mean, you know, I like Vegas, I like playing 486 00:31:17,319 --> 00:31:18,960 poker. I've been been in Europe a little bit more recently, and uh, 487 00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:25,039 I think I think I'll always just kind of I like poker, you 488 00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:26,759 know. I mean, but I just, you know, sort of stopped 489 00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:30,319 for a couple of years building some crypto stuff out in Nantigua and Barbuda, 490 00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:34,519 and I can see myself I'll probably dip in and play tournaments, you know, 491 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,119 my whole life, I think. But I really I'm addicted. I'm 492 00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:41,640 a fanboy. I like it welcome. Some might say you are a little 493 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,799 bit of a crazy kid when you were younger, When you're growing up in 494 00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:49,119 the twenties, what kind of advice would you give fellow poker players crypto trade 495 00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:52,240 as however you want to put it, you know, if they're starting their 496 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,079 own family. You know, it's actually how I talk to my daughter about 497 00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:57,319 it too, But I would give the same advice where like you think of 498 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,759 things as percentage of net. It's like maybe like you're not thinking like the 499 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,079 like how much the family has everything, but you just think, Okay, 500 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,160 a reasonable saving portfolio might be or very aggressive portfolio might be something like half 501 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:15,200 SMP five hundred and a half bitcoin or maybe half bitcoin, maybe a portfolio 502 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,039 bitcoin ethan, you know, maybe a wee bit of salon or something else 503 00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:21,960 that you would really like. And so I think speaking of it like that 504 00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:25,559 and telling the young to think of it as think of all of your investments, 505 00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:29,720 all of like your poker bankrolls and everything like that, as percentage of 506 00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:34,000 net, percentage of your network, and then decide for yourself, like take 507 00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:37,000 a good hard look. Am I overweight one thing or another? Do I 508 00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:40,039 have too much bitcoin? Do I have too much USD cash, too much 509 00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:44,759 stocks, too much on a poker site, too much on a Shenanigan's app 510 00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:46,599 poker site? Is that eighty percent of my net? Does that need to 511 00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:50,960 be on a poker site. I know at points in my past when I 512 00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:52,920 was like younger and a little crazier, that was a reality. And that's 513 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,720 obviously now when you look at that, you're like, wow, that's that 514 00:32:55,839 --> 00:33:00,279 is suicide. Basically, Well, happy Father's Dina. You're on the bubble 515 00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:01,720 here. You got a little bit of chips, So good luck and I 516 00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:05,440 hope you can run this one up. That is a great way to say 517 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,599 it. That is very nice, and that is a very nice way to 518 00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:13,119 say it. Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to talk to all 519 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,119 Right. That was mister Mike on good stuff there. You know, it's 520 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:20,599 good to hear that side of things, that that take on things. After 521 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,680 I spoke to him, Yeah, the bubble burst in the eight hundred deep 522 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,759 stack and he was in the money, so I mean, he's just he's 523 00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:30,039 got a cash. Mike kind is just made of money, okay these days 524 00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:36,519 Okay, Um, next, we've got Nick Schulman grabbed him during the very 525 00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:40,880 end of the break in the PPC. And you know, just whether it's 526 00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:45,359 playing high roller poker tournaments, playing high stakes cash games, you know, 527 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:50,039 doing commentary for us, there is there's a lot of stuff going on in 528 00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:52,640 his life work wise, but also you know, young daughter at home, 529 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:58,480 and how does he kind of, you know, like all these guys approach 530 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,319 that balance of life life and being a poker player and being a parent. 531 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:07,000 Nick, I want to know how you balance you know, playing high roller 532 00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:10,599 tournaments, playing cash games, golf and being a father and just that work 533 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:16,840 life family balance. I just do you know, I just uh, I 534 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,679 really don't know how to answer that question. It's a great question. But 535 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,119 you know, I mean, outside of those things you just mentioned, I'm 536 00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:30,920 pretty much just home, you know, man, I wish I had a 537 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:37,280 better answer. I'm honestly do you in you know, nowadays being a father, 538 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,800 do you kind of is your schedule you know, completely dictated by you 539 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,840 know, your daughter and how you know, what she has on school, 540 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,280 et cetera. Stuff like that for the most part, outside of something like 541 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:52,119 the series or you know, designated tournaments. But that's definitely why I've kind 542 00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:59,559 of ended up as pretty much just a tournament player now for a few years, 543 00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:02,599 to keep that schedule with the family and just be solid. I love 544 00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:06,760 to take her to school, you know, all the all the kind of 545 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,199 classics like that dinner, you know, a lot of other poker players in 546 00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:14,840 this event right now, with children, what's your one piece of advice you 547 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,320 could give to a poker player that's, you know, on the verge of 548 00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:22,719 signing a family, try your very best to you know, have a as 549 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:28,519 much of a separation as you can and kind of a cliches like that, 550 00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:31,159 and don't put any bad runs on your kids, you know, all right, 551 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:37,239 Last, but certainly not least here mister Jeremy Osmas. And the reason 552 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,440 I saved him for the last because he tweeted out something this morning, a 553 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:45,280 little letter from his daughter, and I actually want to read it real quick. 554 00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:47,239 I thought this was a fake letter. Well, we're going to get 555 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,480 to that interview bit. Basically, happy Father's Day. I love you so 556 00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:52,840 much. You're the best that I've ever had and the only, no, 557 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,039 seriously, you're the best that I could ever wish for. You were kind, 558 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,760 loving, helpful, handsome, strong, you big muscle, was smart, 559 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,840 hard working, very cool, and you're very caring. Now, this 560 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:08,000 is the bit I really wanted to talk about, except four when you strangled 561 00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:13,159 me above the toilet like Darth Vader when I was five. But other than 562 00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:15,800 that, you are I think it's as awesome as dad in the world. 563 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:22,440 And that's from his daughter. And I asked him a couple of questions and 564 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,800 then we lead on and he kind of explains that letter, and you know, 565 00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:31,239 is it really truthful or is it a little fabrication from his daughter? 566 00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:36,920 Persually happy father say to a fellow dad, I want to know how you 567 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:42,400 approach fatherhood while trying to be a professional poker player. Um, schedules help, 568 00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:45,639 you know, not playing through the night, and then you just have 569 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,679 to, you know, make some sacrifices to your poker career for your family, 570 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,360 you know, and be around for the sporting events and all the school 571 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:58,519 plays and things like that. So just a balancing act. I've been able 572 00:36:58,559 --> 00:37:01,000 to do it pretty well over the years. So I've been fortunate there having 573 00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:05,840 two young young kids. Do they kind of understand what you're doing and also 574 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,440 like kind of amounts of money you're playing for? Yeah, yeah, they 575 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:14,239 because they watch the streams. Sometimes they don't really fully get poker, but 576 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,519 they know that i'man you know, a poker player and play the big sakes 577 00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:22,480 and them on TV and all that stuff, and they think it's cool talk 578 00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:25,880 about sacrifices and like obviously there's plenty of places to play poking nowadays, but 579 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,679 how much of does you know your family have any influencing deciding to go, 580 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,480 say the seminole or a trying or something like yeah. Sure. So I 581 00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:37,840 don't go overseas a lot because of because of the family. I try not 582 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,519 to be gone for over two weeks at a time, and I only do 583 00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:43,760 that like three or four times, three times a year, maybe something like 584 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,719 that. So I went out of the country once last year, I mean, 585 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:51,519 not counting Bahamas. So I usually just go to there's so much in 586 00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:54,719 Vegas now, I pick that and then go to Florida. Usually. Final 587 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,480 question here, I think everyone's dying to know this, but did you really 588 00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:00,840 choke your son over the toilet like Darth Vader? Or was he just messing 589 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,320 with you? No? That's my daughters. She has some weird stories from 590 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,840 her childhood that I don't know where she gets them, and I tell her, 591 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,320 like the memory is a weird thing, like you think you remember things, 592 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,880 it's not. She has another one that I gave her a knife on 593 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,559 the a butcher knife on the counter when she was like three years old, 594 00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:17,400 and then I just left the room and said to see you later, she 595 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,480 swears the app and she was like two or three am. It's just it's 596 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,880 these stories are hilarious, they're funny to hear in person. Actually good. 597 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,199 I guess my question to you coming out of that endview is are you gonna 598 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,800 be calling child services? Nah? Okay, but I believe him. I 599 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:37,760 believe that he that the daughter is lying and that Jeremy did not darth vader 600 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:44,679 her over the toilet. Good. There was there was a post in I 601 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:49,599 think it was our community Facebook group about I don't know, somebody had a 602 00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:52,960 cell phone video they were driving down the street and there was a girl or 603 00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:59,039 a young girl, like a kid, riding a bike. She had an 604 00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:02,519 umbrella on because it was raining the other day. Um, and I think 605 00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:05,960 she was like kind of started in the street and then she got up on 606 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,760 the sidewalk or whatever. But she was super young. I mean, she 607 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,599 was probably like five to eight years old, so I don't even know. 608 00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:15,519 Um. But anyway, this person posted the video and was like, you 609 00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:19,360 know, your kids shouldn't be out here like this and this whole thing and 610 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,280 yeada, yeah, yeahda, and it just turned into this whole thing. 611 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,559 I was doing way worse ship than just riding a bike down the road in 612 00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:29,519 the rain when I was like five years old. So I don't know, 613 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,880 I just I generally think, you know, everyone is just pretty soft these 614 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,320 days. Mind you. This guy is driving while filming, which is illegal. 615 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,400 Okay, pal, Yeah, let's I mean, the whole thing is 616 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,159 just come on. Do you ever get into like these next door groups or 617 00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:50,639 these like Facebook community groups. I mean it is just absolute hell. Yeah, 618 00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:53,599 absolute hell. We have a new one for the community I moved into, 619 00:39:53,679 --> 00:39:59,239 and it's it's it's very dormant, you know, not everyone just yeah, 620 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,159 just the Karen's gotta get set up. They gotta set up their computers 621 00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:06,119 and then it's got to fire stuff off. Yeah, that's how they are. 622 00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:09,519 I kind of enjoy the train wreak sometimes, but um, all right, 623 00:40:09,519 --> 00:40:14,559 so what else are we doing on this podcast? I promise the people 624 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,440 the listeners, Oh yeah, we would have a family part if I have 625 00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:19,639 one. I'm hoping you have one. I don't have one. I'm ready 626 00:40:19,639 --> 00:40:22,599 to go go ahead. Is my son's seventh birthday this week, and we 627 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,559 had his feeling. His son was like twelve. I don't even know why. 628 00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:30,880 That's my daughter, My daughter's fourteen but seven, and we went to 629 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:35,360 one of those like trampoline parks called Explode. I think it's called Explode. 630 00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:38,480 He had a bunch of kids. He not the best name, but I 631 00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:43,519 was very like, I wouldn't want to send my kids somewhere where he could 632 00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:46,079 possibly explode, you know, I mean just that just it's definitely got an 633 00:40:46,159 --> 00:40:50,519 X because he said, let's go, We're going to the big x X 634 00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:55,960 explode zone. Yeah, that's anyway We're going to explodes. And I was 635 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,519 just the first thing I was thinking was I hope I don't explode zone my 636 00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:04,639 acl jumping on trampolines, to be honest, because I'm old, and that 637 00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:07,079 would be not you're pretty safe jumping on trampolines. But yeah, he had 638 00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:10,440 four friends. I was chasing his friends around, were playing dodge ball. 639 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:15,840 It was me unto four seven year old crazy kid. I hope you punished 640 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,280 the hello. I hit them in the head multiplied, so you have to, 641 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,559 like, you have to give give some back, So I no, 642 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,519 you don't. I got him. I got each of them once in the 643 00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:28,119 head. I got him in the chest. I knocked Caleb to the ground, 644 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,880 pushed some of them over and then I let them all get me. 645 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,800 I like fell to the ground. They were just slamming with balls. But 646 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,679 I just want to say I was We were jumping for like only forty minutes 647 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,679 before like the cake and the pizza came and stuff. I felt like I 648 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:45,719 just ran like twelve months. I was dressing sweat, I was puffing and 649 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:51,239 puffing. I was exhausted, and I was thinking I was there with um, 650 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:52,119 you know, one of our friends, Ben Ludlow, he was, 651 00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:57,000 you know, along for the for the jump of fun, and we were 652 00:41:57,039 --> 00:42:00,559 like for the jump of thn that explodes zone. I wish we had this 653 00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:06,719 when we were kids. I would have been there of my life. I 654 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,320 mean, yeah, we had one kind of close to us when I was 655 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,880 like in high school, but I never never went. I think I went 656 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,320 once to like pick up my brother, but that was it. Yeah, 657 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,840 it was fun. But I had a lot of fun and stead of him, 658 00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:22,280 Well that's good. That's all that matters. Yeah, the kids having 659 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,280 fun. I don't. I don't have anything anything good for a Father's Day. 660 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,760 Any presents this morning. Nothing. No. I got a card and 661 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,559 like a little drawing thing, which is great. And that's the end of 662 00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:36,199 that movie. I'm just hell no, I made my wife went to work 663 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,000 and I watched the kid on three hours asleep, which was fucking torture. 664 00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:42,440 What do you want me to say? Well, happy Father's Day to you. 665 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,119 Yeah, that's fucking's great. It's just like any other day in my 666 00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:47,320 life. Um. So yeah, it's funny. My wife is always like, 667 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,719 what do you want for a Father's Day? What do you want for 668 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,400 your birthday? I don't want anything. It's just another day to just move 669 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,079 on and keep it, keep it trucking. Yeah, we don't need nothing. 670 00:42:54,119 --> 00:42:57,079 I wanted two donnuts on a coffee. That's what I got, and 671 00:42:57,079 --> 00:43:00,719 that's pretty happy with that. So there you go. Yeah, um, 672 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,360 all right, I don't think we have anything else to talk about on this 673 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:07,000 episode of the Poker Girl podcast. That really was absolutely nothing about poker. 674 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,639 That said, we did talk to a lot of poker people, yeah, 675 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:15,000 about being dads to celebrate Father's Day. So that was a cool thing. 676 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,960 This was all Tim Tim's idea. I am happy to give it to him. 677 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,000 If it sucked, you guys can blame him. If it was great, 678 00:43:21,039 --> 00:43:23,440 he can take all the credit. Not a big deal, but it 679 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:28,360 was fun to listen to all the stuff that those guys had to say fun 680 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,000 to kind of like you know, jointly. It's it's kind of weird, 681 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:37,719 how like now all these guys you you know, you came up covering and 682 00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:39,960 you know, you know, and you build you know, somewhat relationships with 683 00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:44,159 over the years just because you see everyone blah blah blah. And now the 684 00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:46,159 conversations are now that we're all dads. Oh as your kids doing this? 685 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,920 Is that like that's what it's about, you know. So and I guess 686 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,079 we should give a shout out to Jason Coombs. Him and his wife Bianca 687 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:59,800 welcomed a second baby boy, either what last night or yesterday or whatever. 688 00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:05,119 M Cole I believe is the name that they're going with, Cole coon U. 689 00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:07,960 So yeah, so yeah, that's what we got here. All right, 690 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:12,119 that's gonna do it for us on this episode. Um, next thing 691 00:44:12,119 --> 00:44:15,960 in your feed will be more of a normal Poker Girl podcast episode, but 692 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:20,400 we appreciate you guys tuning in here for Tim's little special edition Poker Girl podcast. 693 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,000 It was fun and you'll hear from us pretty soon.